Interesting Comment of the Week

by W.F. Price on June 24, 2014

Commenter hindsight2020 recently left a comment on the April 16 article “Once a Man, Always a Man” that I thought was worth sharing. He writes about the “Hijras,” India’s transgender/eunuch caste. It isn’t a pretty picture, and perhaps it’s something we ought to keep in mind as the US marches onward toward institutionalized transsexualism.

I can provide a clearer picture of the eunuch situation on India. They are called Hijras and have an ancient and active Hijra community with their own temples, laws and bizarre practices. They live unencumbered by society and get a free pass since they are believed to have magical powers. They were guardians of concubines and harems due to their male strength and inability to have sex with the women.

Eunuchs are a revered (prayed to out of fear) group in India. They show up at weddings, and at childbirths and have to be paid off to go out of fear of a curse, kidnapping or simply to get them to leave and not make a scene. Their primary revenue is begging through intimidation, running brothels and child trafficking. More recently some banks started hiring eunuchs as debt collectors for their ability to humiliate people at their homes and offices.

Actual birth defects are extremely rare and seldom are they sent to eunuchs. Most Eunuchs are of 2 kinds: Transvestites (men who act like eunuchs during festive season and on Fridays) and castrated ones. Thats the bizarre part. Eunuchs get their children through kidnappings or as promised offerings for a wish fulfilled. Boys are preferred. Girls are put to work in brothels. The boys are taken to their temple. The boy’s penis and testicles are tied tightly with a thread overnight till its numb. It is then severed with a razor blade. Over weeks, if the boy survives the bleeding and infection, he is now a blessed hijra. He is then trained and put to work as a sex slave till he is old enough to get into the intimidation business. This community continues its practices under the guise of religious freedoms and no government has the capacity to deal with this small fragmented group all over the country while it faces bigger national challenges.

Hijras appear on TV, movies and almost every popular bollywood actor has played one at some point.

Post liberalization in the 90s, Indian NGOs needed cool new initiatives and thus the pride walks came about. No one cared. They got their permissions without a hitch, police escorts for the march, massive press coverage as they walked chanting government oppression. The parades lacked the color and drama of trannies like in the west. Trannies were co-opted into this parade to bring the requisite color, flamboyance and other garish antics a true pride parade needs.

All they have done is give modern societal sanction and glamour to a bunch of vile criminals and the cruelest child abusers.

India gets its daily share of environmentalists, evangelists, SJWs and nobodies from the LGBT community who condescendingly believe their quick visit and listening to NGO sales pitch before heading to party in Goa… was somehow instrumental in changing India. Broadcasting their new found mysticism and 3rd world badge on twitter and fkbook alongwith with posed photographs of destitute kids on a dust road (with mandatory cow) after they retire in nice coffeshops and lounge pubs to update their feelings on their macbooks about (insert suffering) they are witnessing and then helping themselves to sanctimonious credentials on introduction bios.

Sorry about the rant. It pissed me off so much I had to comment.

-hindsight2020

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Jeremy June 24, 2014 at 12:42

The boy’s penis and testicles are tied tightly with a thread overnight till its numb. It is then severed with a razor blade. Over weeks, if the boy survives the bleeding and infection, he is now a blessed hijra.

…I think I just died a little bit inside, I thought the internet had beaten that out of me long ago.

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Clarence June 24, 2014 at 12:51

Considering, as per the Somoly Mam brouhaha, there is an international push based on fear and lies around alleged vast (somehow never really found) networks of child sex trafficking , or just sex trafficking (not only is a child considered anyone under 18 despite any local laws, but sex trafficking is often conflated with prostitution itself) I’m very skeptical about this alleged ‘untouchable’ network of child-kidnapping and raping Hijiras. Now unless “hindsight” can provide some decent proof and not his mere word, I’m going to put down pretty much all his post to ‘haterz gonna hate’.

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W.F. Price June 24, 2014 at 12:58

Considering, as per the Somoly Mam brouhaha, there is an international push based on fear and lies around alleged vast (somehow never really found) networks of child sex trafficking , or just sex trafficking (not only is a child considered anyone under 18 despite any local laws, but sex trafficking is often conflated with prostitution itself) I’m very skeptical about this alleged ‘untouchable’ network of child-kidnapping and raping Hijiras. Now unless “hindsight” can provide some decent proof and not his mere word, I’m going to put down pretty much all his post to ‘haterz gonna hate’.

-Clarence

I’ve seen child trafficking myself. Not sex trafficking (although I have no doubt I could have found it if that’s what I was looking for), but rather trafficking for beggar gangs. Children in Southern China – including infants – were being sold into criminal syndicates that used them to beg on the streets. I saw it with my own eyes. India’s even poorer than China, so I have no doubt that child trafficking occurs on a regular basis in India as well. Whether or not it’s sex trafficking doesn’t really matter to the kind of people who buy and sell children as commodities. Do you think they care?

Laguna Beach Fogey June 24, 2014 at 13:15

The Scottish writer/traveller writes about the hjiras in his book City of Djinns: A Year in Delhi.

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Laguna Beach Fogey June 24, 2014 at 13:16

* The Scottish writer/traveller William Dalrymple

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Wobbegong June 24, 2014 at 15:15

Off topic somewhat but take heart, one man can make a difference. This bloke

http://bernardgaynor.com.au/defence-drops-gay-political-lobby-from-its-webpages/

Got the GBLT circus off the ADF webpages. Mind you, he’s losing his commission with the army over his critical comments on islam.

The thought police are alive and well down under.

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Uncle Elmer June 24, 2014 at 17:20

I visited this phenomenon some time back in It’s Time to Shut Down Women’s “Day Spas”.

Now my son Hermann has shown me these shocking videos of trafficked males, which has discouraged me from pursuing my dream job of opening a massage parlor for young women :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvlVi8VCwoM&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BvlVi8VCwoM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DE8Z9NnS6Sk

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cxj June 24, 2014 at 18:00

(deep sigh)

Alright, somebody pull out the extermination list, looks like we have another genre of human scum to add.

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chinesefootsoldier June 24, 2014 at 18:07

This seems beside the point though. No doubt the equalists will try to use the “They’re not all scoundrels” line.

The point should be made that society is not obliged to accommodate such a small minority of eccentric people, and any compassion for them should not be interjected into serious political matters. The denial of empathy as an important aspect of politics renders most left wing positions impotent.

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Clarence June 24, 2014 at 22:27

Mr. Price:
I do not doubt you can find trafficked humans of all sexes and ages. Most seem to be used for manual labor and for scams such as you are talking about here. And there is precious little international help primarily because ALL the NGO’s and politicians seem to be interested in is SEX slavery, and even that usually only the type involving children and teen girls. Male prostitutes (of any age) and male and female forced laborers get very limited attention at this current time.

But even granting you that, and that you saw what you saw, the fact is quite a few police forces and governments in third world countries these days get money and good press for every bust of the type they make, even to the point that some prostitutes have complained they have been ‘rescued’ against their will. So once again, I find it hard to believe that some government or police force could be so corrupt in the face of international concern and money (kaching) as to just ‘turn a blind eye’ to people who downright kidnap and mutilate small boys and sell these kids (male or female) for sex at known locations. Target rich opportunity doesn’t begin to describe such a scenerio.

So yes, short of some charities and such (always overwhelmed by sheer numbers of clients) no -one much cares about beggar boys on the streets in an otherwise poor part of the country. But I maintain sexual victimhood brings in much more incentive to DO something, and without evidence I will continue to be skeptical of such stories. I do not see why it matters to people who want $ or international good press whether the brothel that contains the prepubescent or sexually maimed boys and girls is in Thailand or in China.

So, can you clear this up for me? Any thoughts?

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Ferlin Husky June 25, 2014 at 02:25

We in the West allow unlimited immigration from this wonderful blessed country called India. Of course, they leave all their negative baggage at the door before they enter our sad, whitebread, color deprived countries, to enrich us with their multicultural bounty. Please gag me with a spoon!

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sarkASSian June 25, 2014 at 03:25

Mr. Price you have got it all wrong. Hijdas (ra) condition is nothing like that reporter depicts. Its pathetic. They beg because no one offers them job. Yes a very small percent of enuchs run brothels but those are the richer ones. Hijiras are outcasts. If they dont beg they die. India is culturally different from america. comparing the entitled western lgbt with poor indian enuchs is not fair. All that kidnapping thing is not so common.

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melmoth June 25, 2014 at 07:31

I especially liked the portrayal at the end of his rant; the sanctimonious backpacker/facebook addict. Brilliant. Don’t forget the all-important Sanskrit character tattoo that serves as a document confirming their lifelong righteousness.

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greyghost June 25, 2014 at 11:32

OT
check this out http://news.yahoo.com/woman-machine-robots-look-creepily-human-091317930–finance.html?bcmt=comments-postbox
Welmer you should be a Yahoo writer. The clicks and comments would be off the chart.

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Opus June 25, 2014 at 11:34

So what (I know you all want to know) did The British do about slavery in India. My source is as always my 1920 copy of Vincent A. Smith’s The Oxford History of India. He does not mentioned Hijras or Eunuchs but on slavery this is what he says:

“The most important measure of internal reform carried out in the time of Lord Ellenborough was the passing of a law (Act V 1843) prohibiting the legal recognition of slavery in India.” Later he adds “The Indian legislature avoided all the difficulties of emancipation or compensation that had attended the emancipation of West Indian Negroes by simply failing to recognise slavery as a legal status” and again later “It is clear in most parts of the country Slavery existed from time immemorial. Even now the institution can hardly be said to be wholly extinct, although it has no legal sanction. Before 1843 there were millions of slaves in India” and finally ” the act of 1843
does not seem to have aroused any opposition or caused any excitement.”

But what of Sex Trafficking in Britain today? In his The Woman Racket Steve Moxon devotes two pages of Chapter twelve to the subject. In 2005 a series of high profile anti-trafficking operations targeted prostitutes working in The North of England. Despite arrests, it transpired that not one of the girls were trafficked but were all voluntary immigrants (either ‘documented’ or otherwise). In England sex-trafficking is, it seems, an urban myth. It appears that the moral panic was whipped-up by Feminists and Manginas to repress male access to sex.

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Dan the man June 25, 2014 at 11:55

@ Clarence You are very naive. There is massive sex slavery in the world. Where the UN and NGO’s are it is the worst. The corrupt governments will provide photo ops, but little else. Wimmin’s groups and charities will take your money, and put it in their own pockets. The incentive is only to appear to do something.

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Maaldweb June 25, 2014 at 13:14

A bit OT but…

There is no sex-trafficking of women in the West, there never was. It is an urban legend, as OPUS accurately argued, created and promoted by feminists and leftists.

Being a prostitute/escort is a very lucrative job in the western world.
And given the prevalence of sexual deviancy among western men you don’t even have to be exceptionally pretty to be successful.

When I were a student there were several female students in the campus who were part-time escorts. None of them was struggling to make ends meet, all of them did it for the extra cash which they spent on shoes, clothes, perfumes etc.

Αsk any female the following question: What would you prefer a) to grant sexual favours to men but live in a western country, have money to buy fancy clothes, innumerable pairs of shoes, retire after 8-10 years and not have to work again in your life or b) live in a god-forsaken village in Siberia or India or Brazil and marry to a poor farmer?

I think we all know what virtually all females would choose.

Religion and in the case of the West Christian ethics put a barrier to the natural inclination of females to exchange sex for goods. The women who did that were considered social outcasts, rejects,they were strongly criticised by other females and society.
That barrier was eventually removed, consequently females reverted to their natural state.

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W.F. Price June 25, 2014 at 14:04

Mr. Price:
I do not doubt you can find trafficked humans of all sexes and ages. Most seem to be used for manual labor and for scams such as you are talking about here. And there is precious little international help primarily because ALL the NGO’s and politicians seem to be interested in is SEX slavery, and even that usually only the type involving children and teen girls. Male prostitutes (of any age) and male and female forced laborers get very limited attention at this current time.

-Clarence

Children are more often trafficked than anyone else because they are easier to control and push around. I don’t think most child trafficking is for sexual purposes, because true pedophilia is a rare mental illness. However, the chances that a trafficked child will eventually turn to prostitution are far, far higher than for other children. It may be a “choice,” but with the kinds of choices these kids have, you can’t exactly say they have many options in life.

Therefore, if people really want to eliminate trafficking and its attendant problems, it would be best to leave the “sex” part out of it and focus mainly on those who buy and sell children for whatever reason. However, sex sells both politically and in the news, so it will require some firm, clear-headed people who can see the big picture in high positions to make a real difference.

alex June 26, 2014 at 05:19

This obsession with bashing on the LGBT is pretty sad. Talk about misplaced aggression.

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Clarence June 26, 2014 at 21:15

Mr. Price:

Thank you for your clear, concise, and respectful answer. I’m mostly in agreement – this problem needs to be tackled with MORE than just worrying about the ‘sex’ part.

Alas, right now, that’s where the fame, power, and profits are.

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Dire Badger June 29, 2014 at 23:08

@alex-

This obsession with proclaiming LBGT as ‘oppressed minorities’ is pretty sad. Talk about misplaced aggression.

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Dr. Who July 31, 2014 at 11:33

http://news.yahoo.com/trafficking-bust-reveals-worries-over-missing-kids-061925557–politics.html

“Where are all those loudly protesting voices in the “Christian values” and “right to life” movements? Not a peep from them on this tragic issue? They want every accidental, unwanted, impregnation to become a child who must then be born unprotected and undefended into this kind of dangerously exploitive environment?”

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