Seattle Minimum Wage Blowback: Daycare Set to Become Really, Really Expensive

by W.F. Price on June 22, 2014

A lot of the arguments for the 50% minimum wage hike in Seattle are along the lines of this:

“What’s the problem? You’ll only have to pay a little more for your hamburger or pizza, and that’s nothing to complain about.”

This is really how your typical Seattle progressive thinks.

However, they weren’t thinking too hard about what’s going to happen to essential services used by the empowered working mom, childcare being the most important among them. Because most young people in Seattle are newcomers, they don’t have family to help them out, so unless the woman is married and her husband is making a six figure income (median household income in Seattle is around $64,000, so obviously most are not), daycare is essential.

Much of daycare’s cost is wages, and despite the cost, which runs around $14,000/year for toddlers (full time), wages for childcare workers are low. The reason the cost is so high is that law mandates a low child to worker ratio. So if you have one worker per three kids (standard) and that worker is making around $12/hr. (also standard), the labor cost per child is about 60% of the total daycare cost.

Now raise that $12/hr. to $15/hr. That’s a 25% increase right off the bat, which means, all else being equal (which is unlikely), daycare costs will rise 15% from the labor cost increase alone, which brings the cost of daycare in Seattle up $2,000 to a discouraging $16,000+. Just another dollar for my hamburger, huh?

This means that a working family with a respectable income of $100,000 will be paying 16 cents on every dollar merely for daycare. Add that to rent or mortgage and taxes and what’s left over? Not much. If you have two kids you might as well just give up. If you’re a single mom, forget about it! Your best course of action (sad, but true) is to drop out of the labor force and go on welfare.

On the positive side, an enterprising, competent woman who likes children can pull in over $40,000 per year with relatively few skills and little education simply by setting up a home-based business and doing the work herself and still undercut the competition. But how many women in Seattle would deign to do so? Precious few I’d wager, and it’s hard to blame them given what you get in that town for $40k.

I’ve been wondering for a while when women would start to pay the price for the socialist, redistributionist policies they’ve been supporting for years. Looks like that time has come.

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not buying it June 22, 2014 at 06:27

” I ‘ve been wondering for a while when are women going to start paying for all these socialist policies they have been supporting for years too “!!! at some point in time it will back fire on them , maybe not at the beginning ,denial in the beginning but at some time the financial cost realities would set in , the look on their face when that happens will be priceless.

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geographybeefinalisthimself June 22, 2014 at 06:37

I am wondering why you are feeling sorry for women paying the price for socialist, redistributionist policies that they have been supporting for years.

The best thing for the men’s rights’ movement to do is not feel any pity for women unsympathetic to men’s rights and to be as vindictive as possible to those women.

I am feeling schadenfreude that Seattle is already suffering the consequences of a $15 an hour minimum wage, at least in child care. Are there any plans in Seattle to allow more children per child care worker to cushion the blow of increased costs?

(Your spell check doesn’t recognize “redistributionist.”)

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Uncle Elmer June 22, 2014 at 07:05

In New Mexico Hispanic mothers quite often get free day care from grandma, giving them an advantage over Anglo women.

It being election time here every politician is on the TV with the obligatory scene with them interacting with a pre-school class. Every one of them spouts memes about “children are our future”, “I will raise the minimum wage”, and the most ridiculous of all “I will make sure women get paid the same as a man for equal work”.

My wife is suggesting that when (not if) we get a bigger house she will run a a day care for four or so viet kids. There are about 15-20,000 viets in Albuquerque so plenty of customers among the professional class. Her sister is doing it in Houston and making good extra money at it. My wife loves children and those kids would be pretty lucky to get her attention and that great viet food. Might reduce her insatiable need for shopping.

Even in a child-oriented town such as here or in the midwest day care of any decent quality is difficult to find and expensive. For places like Seattle or San Francisco it must be near impossible. Better for those parents to move to less hip locales where housing is affordable and day care is reasonable. Of course, it becomes a non-issue if the mother just stays home and provides that for her own children. It is quite doable on a modest income. Most women just work (“my career!”) to make payments on their SUV anyway while their kids rot in daycare.

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Wilson June 22, 2014 at 07:20

Progressive candidates will add it to the list of handouts for women. I suspect that free daycare might be one of Hilary’s main platform issues.

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greyghost June 22, 2014 at 08:08

Another thing people don’t realize is the number of small industrial service shops. Just one niche example would be material handling. Every store has a mini warehouse with at least a pallet jack in the back. Many places have electric fork lifts and pallet jacks along with over head doors and loading docks etc. The maintenance and repair service companies always had young guys that were under 15 per hr that worked their way up. They tend to be slower and have more rework. (They finish a job and the costumer will still have problems ,very expensive) Now those companies will have the added expense of the office clerks costing what revenue generating technicians cost. And it is everything from landscaping, plumbing, painting, highway marking ,janitorial services, electrical work, window and glass shops, etc. Most people are completely unaware of this world because it is the behind the scenes. But it is as big as the consumer economy that people see in the sunday ads in the newspaper. It is everything parts distribution centers that all of these companies from Boeing to an auto repair shop uses will have unskilled new people costing what skilled high productive workers cost. It is going to be really huge and what is going to happen is like all cities a slow drift of those types of jobs out of the “cost zone” What you get is Detroit and New York cities that are not carried by a vibrant economy as it may appear but cities that are parasites of a large host that makes it’s money from outside of the city. Seattle is Seattle because of Boeing and the tech industry, and to a lesser extent the military bases. Also the college industry funded from outside the area. Doing this kind of thing ensures they are the only economic base in the area. Boeing moves out, a few large tech companies move out and you will have a donut hole
get ready to see the city and county make rules that require any company that does business with the government comply with the city’s minimum wage. Nobody will put 2 and 2 together but within 2 to five years a bond measure or tax increase will come along with a wage bracket slide up in all City government employees. (wages and salary are relative skilled pay is minimum wage times X (mX) what ever X is in your area it is now 15 times X . Keep an eye on bridge tolls and city fees and take pictures of the city and date them. You may notice a slow lack of maintenance it will be a slow slide as new paint slowly ages.
It would be fun to watch

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W.F. Price June 22, 2014 at 08:25

@greyghost

They’re going to require anyone who works even a couple hours a month in Seattle (e.g. a maid for a cleaning service based in a nearby suburb that sends workers to Seattle) to be paid the new wage. I think a lot of people are just going to stop doing business in the city altogether.

wizzbozz June 22, 2014 at 08:38

Yep.

Women won’t pay the increased price; we all will. Instead of realizing they were wrong, and changing their voting habits, entitled women will double down and demand government-subsidized day care.

There’s no limit to the female desire for someone else to pay

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greyghost June 22, 2014 at 08:45

It is going to be huge and will happen quicker than people think. The little shops that make SWPL world cute just are not gong to be so cute any more.

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Uncle Elmer June 22, 2014 at 08:46

Not to mention that the people currently working low-skill low-pay work will get pushed aside by college graduates competing for that liveable minimum wage.

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W.F. Price June 22, 2014 at 08:54

Yeah, think about what it’s going to do to female-owned businesses. All those cute little boutique clothing stores and bakeries — crushed.

geographybeefinalisthimself June 22, 2014 at 09:01

I thought that some employers in Seattle were allowed to phase in the pay increase and others had to increase theirs overnight. Is this true and if it is, which employers fall into which categories?

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Cranberry June 22, 2014 at 09:05

I think they will just push for state-sponsored daycare and public preschool, and let the wealthier tax payers shoulder the burden. It’s the socialist way, after all.

Funny, they neither anticipate nor understand the consequences of the clamor for resources, and respond with a clamor for more resources. We are toddlers and can’t age beyond the simple emotion of “I want, give it to me.”

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W.F. Price June 22, 2014 at 09:15

I thought that some employers in Seattle were allowed to phase in the pay increase and others had to increase theirs overnight. Is this true and if it is, which employers fall into which categories?

-geographybeefinalisthimself

First the big companies will have to pay the higher rate, getting to fifteen within a couple years, then smaller companies, and finally businesses like restaurants where people make tips. It’s actually a ten year plan: everyone is supposed to be getting over $18/hour within ten years. Maybe the city is counting on massive inflation… Who knows?

Akmaniak June 22, 2014 at 10:02

No problem. Seattle has one of the highest rates of childlessness in the world. With expanded access to abortion and contraception this problem could be completely solved in a generation. Of course, it would be the final generation…

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malcolm June 22, 2014 at 10:20

Rising day care costs are just further proof of the war against women.

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greyghost June 22, 2014 at 10:28

It is the old political ploy thing. A politician today makes a law that is bad overall but gets cheers from the peasants and is phased in on future politicians (including himself) Then they can speak of the politicians of the past that did this generation wrong. And then they can come up with a fix to provide some relief for women and minorities.

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Antikytheraism June 22, 2014 at 10:35

Gender agitant’s, patronizing bureaucrats, agents of socialism, women’s rights vigilante’s and other rent seeking phagocytes can’t see what every one else plainly sees of fatherless bastards and children raised in day care, on account of their mother’s pursuit of equal $18 dollar minimum wages:

[1]… INFLATION, of a kind that sees State borrowed and governmentally paid dollars in workers hands, eternally chasing upwards, other State employed and governmentally sustained minimum wage workers in the face of ever lowering productivity.

[2 ]… ALIENATION, of a kind that sees State institutionalised wards of court and children of divorce ever turning to drugs, to violence, to gangsterism and to international Jihad the moment they’re able and free from their uncaring rent seeking keepers.

Its a vicious spiral of cycling degeneracy a peoples beset themselves with, when they choose to live dishonourably under Marxist falsities and lies.

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cxj June 22, 2014 at 11:56

I really, truly do not understand the feminist motive for a career, given the colossal expense of daycare. I flat out asked my dad when I was a kid why he and my mom bothered to have kids, since they dropped us off at daycare from an early age and then it was school and daycare until 7pm or so. Why would they want kids they can never spend time with and that just create a massive expense? How was this rewarding? And why wouldn’t mom just stay at home to spend time with us rather than going to work just to afford a place to put us all day while she was at work? Wouldn’t it make more sense to just take care of us herself?

At this point I can’t imagine the having kids with some career woman and have to pay tons for daycare so she can not take care of them. Lol

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JasperPants June 22, 2014 at 12:19

Remember that the politician is thinking ahead!

That single mom that can’t afford daycare? She’ll be eligible for a subsidy.

Enjoy the decline!

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Dire Badger June 22, 2014 at 13:59

does the minimum wage law apply to getting paid in bitcoin/alternative remuneration?

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Kyo June 22, 2014 at 14:21

I’m glad I’m not a high school kid in Seattle. No chance at a job to earn myself some spending money because I’m not yet capable of producing $15 worth of work in an hour; consequently no work experience to put on my resume when I do get a chance at a job. And Old-Economy-Steve Mom and Dad will be telling me to “pound the pavement” because “there are always jobs” and calling me a lazy sluggard because I can’t find work.

But at least the politicians can feel good about themselves!

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The Brass Cat June 22, 2014 at 14:29

Perhaps Seattle should compel all businesses to provide on-site child care. Then they could raise the minimum wage to $100 and everyone could celebrate their economic freedom! Free at last!

Yuck, found a crayon in my pizza.

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Wobbegong June 22, 2014 at 14:35

‘On the positive side, an enterprising, competent woman who likes children can pull in over $40,000 per year with relatively few skills and little education simply by setting up a home-based business and doing the work herself and still undercut the competition. ‘

Virtually impossible to do in Australia now due to all the regulations.

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wizzbozz June 22, 2014 at 14:47

A bit off-topic, but at the current time most millennials wouldn’t take a unskilled, low-status job because they believe it’s beneath them. Even for $18.00 an hour.

These kids are the most pampered generation in history, having received continual self-esteem enemas since the day they were born. When I was in school (Gen-X), you road the school bus and if you were REALLY lucky, your parents bought a 15-year-old beater to drive when you turned sixteen.

The school bus stopped going through my neighborhood more than 10 ago, all the precious kids being chauffeured to school by Mom and Dad in their Volvo, Merc, BMW, Lexus, etc. Back in my day, my Father would’ve stared at me in disbelieve or laughed if I had dared to ask him for a ride to school.

That’s what happens when all the baby boomer parents lived vicariously through their children, competing with each other to prove how special and superior their Johnny and Jane are.

You end up with a generation of spoiled, self-centered, over-educated generation who think laboring class jobs are beneath them. Most of these kids are well-behaved, though, compared to my generation, who were latch-key delinquents.

On the other hand, I find their tendency towards hyper-sensitivity (fragile egos) and pseudo-intellectual baby talk to be irritating.

Back to jobs. I live on a private golf course. There are maybe 3 older middle-aged men (50s) on the grounds crew. The rest are illegal mexican migrant workers who can’t speak english. This has been going on for more than ten years. I asked the club groundskeeper why he didn’t hire any young white guys because there are plenty recent college grads around here without jobs (if that offends you, toughen up. Jobs should go to native born and legal immigrants first). He told me tried, but no one would take the jobs except the mexicans. It’s not that difficult as it entails riding around on a mower all day or using a weed eater.

Most of these millennials are living with their aging Boomer parents hoping for a miracle or waiting for an inheritance. Or they think they can hustle a living on the Internet.

Welcome to 21st Century America.

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tom47 June 22, 2014 at 14:56

I have to agree with some of the others here that this is just the beginning of an escalating cycle of entitlements. Like the frog that boils in the water because the heat was turned up gradually, people won’t see until it’s too late, and then they’ll blame the usual suspects. The Left is never wrong in the eyes of it’s believers and it’s base. It will not die of old age or failure. It won’t fall, it needs to be pushed. It needs to be destroyed.

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Dale June 22, 2014 at 15:27

>Most women just work (“my career!”) to make payments on their SUV anyway while their kids rot in daycare.

This is the biggest problem. If families were content to live on one salary, with the “mother” actually playing the role of “mother”, then daycare would be irrelevant. Too bad women prefer to spend time making money and socializing at work to being with their children.

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epoche* June 22, 2014 at 15:49

I really, truly do not understand the feminist motive for a career, given the colossal expense of daycare. I flat out asked my dad when I was a kid why he and my mom bothered to have kids, since they dropped us off at daycare from an early age and then it was school and daycare until 7pm or so. Why would they want kids they can never spend time with and that just create a massive expense? How was this rewarding? And why wouldn’t mom just stay at home to spend time with us rather than going to work just to afford a place to put us all day while she was at work? Wouldn’t it make more sense to just take care of us herself?
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Dont you understand the purpose of these things is to destroy the patriarchy? Power for the sake of power. As a white male you are part of the problem anyways.

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Anonymous June 22, 2014 at 16:16

Double the wages, double the costs, double the prices you have to pay… simple.

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BCGuy June 22, 2014 at 16:47

This does seem interesting. it would appear that the choice is either families pay more, or try to reverse the minimum wage raise – but focused on the daycare sector. the issue has already been politicised, so I doubt that the money will be taken away. However, Bill, what is the chance that the state pollies will try to subsidise daycare via some tax credit? the pollies here in BC tried that several years ago. That is what the pollies love; hide the cost by spreading the cost and hoping no-one notices. Kind of like a child who hopes that his parents don’t notice him spreading his dinner around his plate and pretending he ate most of it.

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Stoltz June 22, 2014 at 17:20

@Dale

If families were content to live on one salary, with the “mother” actually playing the role of “mother”, then daycare would be irrelevant. Too bad women prefer to spend time making money and socializing at work to being with their children.

Yep. That and how single motherhood is looked upon as something powerful and lauded by media and society today (“You go girl!”). Of course, its the men who will end up paying the bulk of the free/discounted/government-funded day care that we all knw is on the horizon.

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Bob Smith June 22, 2014 at 17:36

“I’ve been wondering for a while when women would start to pay the price for the socialist, redistributionist policies they’ve been supporting for years. ”

Why would a woman think she’d have to pay for it? Either she hits dad for more child support or the taxpayers (the bulk of payments coming from men) will subsidize her.

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TFH June 22, 2014 at 17:42

I’ve been wondering for a while when women would start to pay the price for the socialist, redistributionist policies they’ve been supporting for years.

Women don’t understand cause and effect very well.

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TFH June 22, 2014 at 17:45

An increased minimum wage merely leads to more automation. Of course, not every job is automated with equal ease or cost-efficiency…

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cxj June 22, 2014 at 18:10

@Kyo: “And Old-Economy-Steve Mom and Dad will be telling me to “pound the pavement” because “there are always jobs” and calling me a lazy sluggard because I can’t find work.”

Ugh this is the fucking truth. The most annoying thing to me growing up was the concept my parents clung to of a “summer job,” as if those existed. What retail place would want to spend time sending a kid through their retarded, overly long training programs just to have them work for 2 months? Then there is the hassle of getting a fucking work permit from your high school, which flips out when they find out you are scheduled for a HUGE workload of 15 hours per week (LOL!) because “OMG we need to hold your hand through life, how will you do your busywork homework if you are making pizzas/bagging groceries!!”

@wizzbozz: yes there are many entitled faggot millennials, but there are also many trying to play musical chairs with jobs where there simply arent enough to go around. I remember when I was in high school I worked at Jamba Juice, and I talked to the manager who is still there, he said when I was there it was rare someone would stay more than a year, now there are kids entering their early 20s, clinging to these jobs for dear life, fighting each other over hours and staying there for over 4 years on average because they know there simply isn’t anything else out there right now.

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Anonymous June 22, 2014 at 21:05

“What is the chance that the state will try to subsidize daycare via some tax credit? ”

In the USA, daycare is eligible for a 20 to 35% credit on federal income taxes:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/p503–2013.pdf see page 12

The 20% is for income of $43K or more. Incomes under $15K get a 35% credit. The rate gradually goes from 35% to 20% for incomes >$15K but <$43K.

So, at $15 an hour, between $3 and $5.25 per hour is effectively rebated via reduced taxes.

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Jaego June 22, 2014 at 21:12

So is it better to make other people pay so Walmart, McDonald’s etc don’t have to? Their wages aren’t sufficient for life so the Government has to make up the difference – and that means you and me. Isn’t it more fair and more Libertarian (as if those two are the same) to allow disinterested 3rd parties to stay separate from transactions that don’t involve them? These big service corporations are making lots of fraudulent money by palming off the hidden costs off to us. Let the Customers pay these costs and if not, let them go out of business.

I’m not a Libertarian because Libertarianism depends on fraud like this, fraud which destroys Society. Fairness is the end of Libertarianism.

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Anonymous June 22, 2014 at 22:08

@ Jaego:

You seem to have confused the terms “progressive” and “libertarian”.

Progressives want a high minimum wage and lots of regulations and lots of spending on social programs..

Libertarians would prefer no minimum wage and few rules and little if any spending on social programs.

If we got rid of the excesses of big government, especially the Federal Reserve’s power to create free money for banksters, people would sort things out themselves.

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Shlomo Shunn June 22, 2014 at 23:39

> “I flat out asked my dad when I was a kid why he and my mom bothered to have kids, since they dropped us off at daycare from an early age and then it was school and daycare until 7pm or so. ”

I’m curious how either he or your mom answered.

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Shlomo Shunn June 22, 2014 at 23:59

The truth is that some women were “bored” with their lives in Friedan’s 1950s era, along with men bored to be “organizational men.”

(Friedan herself worked as a reporter)

At the same time, there were men HAPPY to have boring jobs, and women happy to be bored mothers, both sexes having come through a hellacious world war. Both wanted peace and quiet and white-picket-fence houses.

The biggest driver of feminism was tradition. Females were raised to emote, males to stuff feelings. Ergo, the wife who’d had to use fake coffee during WWII bellyached while her amputee vet husband remained mute.

The impression: only she suffered.

Plus there was the added “Never hit a woman!” rule taught to males. That carried over into not just not attacking females physically who attacked men, or even defending oneself, but stoically enduring feminist verbal attacks.

Since aspersions that are not rebutted tend to be believed, guys were assumed to be guilty as charged.

The results were both predictable and tragic. Millions of men….who had stormed enemy machinegun nests to protect “democracy”… did not muster forces to repel feminists. Most just wanted peace. Instead, feminists kept piling on…to this day.

The bitter irony is that today’s pampered 20-something Western bimbo, complaining about being “looked at” in the workplace (while wearing a short skirt and push-up bra) gets more attention and concern than 95-year-old WWII male vets.

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Anonymous June 23, 2014 at 01:01

I think Welmer is right that it won’t work, but he misses what the result will be: a Guaranteed Minimum Income and single-payer, universal health care.

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Jaego June 23, 2014 at 02:37

Great. Social Darwinism again complete with little children working 16 hour days. Just kidding: they have robots now and people will just starve in the streets. The profit motive does not create civilization nor can it maintain them. Such utter selfishness does ruin societies in time unless regulated. Remember Zimbabwe cut back on social spending too, but the results aren’t the paradise you have imagined. Modern Civilization is expensive. If we are not willing to pay the price, it will end. And then we’ll have your dream of high tech medieval war lords reigning over peasants.

Only Libertarians believe in Libertarianism. Real Capitalists don’t believe in it. They believe in winning. That means taking government hand outs whenever possible. Competition is for suckers. You want to make them be good. With what? Government? Me too. I’m clear and you are confused. You don’t believe in war lords? But that would be the result of doing away with Government. Or maybe they are already so close that they would just form a World Government – the opposite of what you want. You know Rand, Von Mises, Friedman, et al. But you don’t know Life. Instead of believing in God you believe in the Invisible Hand. That’s not an improvement. Even Adam Smith himself would be horrified of the reductionism of you people.

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Maaldweb June 23, 2014 at 06:29

The end game of libertarianism is slavery to a few corporations which will survive the endless antagonism and will crush anyone who opposes them.

Libertarianism is essentially the ideology of the jungle, in the jungle there are no rules other than who is stronger. When you try to apply the ideology of the jungle to a human society the stronger is the financial wealthier. And if we know something about the wealthy of this world is that they are ideologically progressive, feminists, pro-gay, anti-religion and virulently anti-men. That is something Salazar in Portugal and the Spartans before him understood well: money and luxuries corrupt.

An ideology based on profit cannot end in nothing other than exploitation. Libertarians are as deluded as your average brainwashed marxist hippie. After all both marxism and classical liberalism (libertarianism) are based on the same ‘theology’: materialism and progressivism.

Libertarianism appears to be the distorted byproduct of calvinism and extreme protestantism which is essentially the ideology that built the US. No wonder most Americans are attracted to it and worship that freak Ayn Rand. The problem with the US is that its foundation was based on the false principles of the Enlightenment. When you seriously support the ridiculous notion that all men are equal then sooner or later women will argue that women are equal to men too and they need equal rights etc etc.

Last but not least. I do believe that US liberals are to some extent correct about libertarians when they argue that a lot of them merely camouflage with libertarianism their racial anxieties. Libertarianism appears to be the only politically correct ideology in the US with which someone can indirectly defend white american interests. But adopting a maladaptive ideology just as a way to bypass leftist censorship contains the danger of ending up really believing in the premises of that ideology…

The above criticism of the cult of libertarianism comes from someone who belongs to the Traditional European Right which stands for hierarchy, patriarchy, family, race, ethnonationalism and the belief that the economy should serve the nation and race and NOT the other way around.In other words, the political/economic/cultural/social system that created and sustained western civilisation and perhaps the only system that can sustain any society indefinitely.

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Tam the Bam June 23, 2014 at 07:49

TBH it looks like “state capitalism” from here (as a junior member of the committee investigating the elephant in a darkened room).

All sorts of totalitarians and not a few anarchists indulge in it. Maximizes the opportunities for skimming each and every transaction and rent-seeking. By the “more equal” caste of pigs, naturally. What?! You expect them to work for a living? And potentially troublesome demographics of moochers/dispossessed can be fobbed off with Other Peoples Money, saves on the gas bill.

Fascist economies are peculiarly defined by this gambit
Here’s Benny the Chin’s take on it.

Mussolini claimed that dynamic or heroic capitalism and the bourgeoisie could be prevented from degenerating into static capitalism and then supercapitalism only if the concept of economic individualism were abandoned and if state supervision of the economy was introduced.

Private enterprise would control production but it would be supervised by the state. Italian Fascism presented the economic system of corporatism as the solution that would preserve private enterprise and property while allowing the state to intervene in the economy when private enterprise failed.

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greyghost June 23, 2014 at 10:54

OT
Welmer, Have you ever thought about being a writer for yahoo? You would make a great article writer for them. Every article would have comments into the 5k plus.

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keyster June 23, 2014 at 13:38

Let the adorable little socialist experiment in Seattle play out in the coming years. Watch the unicorns and rainbows turn into “Occupy II – the rent’s too damn high!”.

The delusional idiots are too damn myopic to see that forced wage control leads to higher prices for the very same people they intended to help. At least the Swiss voters figured that much out when they turned down the $22 an hour mandatory wage hike.

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W.F. Price June 23, 2014 at 13:40

The delusional idiots are too damn myopic to see that forced wage control leads to higher prices for the very same people they intended to help. At least the Swiss voters figured that much out when they turned down the $22 an hour mandatory wage hike.

-keyster

When you take purchasing power into account the Seattle wage hike is even worse than the Swiss proposal.

Anonymous June 23, 2014 at 16:52

“He told me tried, but no one would take the jobs except the mexicans.”

Does he make you go through an online application? And maybe he’s just making that up(cause he knows its not popular to employ Mexicans)?

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Anonymous June 23, 2014 at 16:57

“A bit off-topic, but at the current time most millennials wouldn’t take a unskilled, low-status job because they believe it’s beneath them.”

I disagree, human resource departments have made it too difficult to get jobs by taking everything online and using filters to get rid of people who don’t have experience. Even McDonald’s forces you to take a difficult, sophisticated psychological test. (don’t believe me? go to the website and apply – one of the harder personality tests I’ve experienced).

Older people do not want to give up their shitty jobs because the economy is so tough.

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cxj June 23, 2014 at 17:39

@ Shlomo Shunn:

““I flat out asked my dad when I was a kid why he and my mom bothered to have kids, since they dropped us off at daycare from an early age and then it was school and daycare until 7pm or so. ”

I’m curious how either he or your mom answered.”

Well, my Mom’s reply was fairly predictable: angry hissing about independence, not being my servant (I never said she was?), not being a house slave, etc. Typical ranting feminist nonsense, I learned early on to avoid her unless she was in a good mood.

Dad, on the other hand, was a true believer in the progressive dream, and is to this day. He paused for a long time contemplating his words, struggling above all else to concoct an answer that, if repeated to my Mom, would not result in catastrophe. He fumbled through concepts about equality and progress that I was too young to really grasp, but I was young enough to grasp that he basically didn’t have an answer, he was just going along with whatever my mom wanted so she wouldn’t get mad at him.

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Lastango June 25, 2014 at 12:39

Here’s the wonderful story of an Austin TX woman who declares she voted for every progressive scheme that came up on a ballot… and now can’t afford to live there anymore. Her analysis/solution to this problem? She demands someone else step in and address “the Big Picture”.

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“It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both (property tax) meetings. “I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore. I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”

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Mel Enneal July 3, 2014 at 08:12

“Back to jobs. I live on a private golf course. There are maybe 3 older middle-aged men (50s) on the grounds crew. The rest are illegal mexican migrant workers who can’t speak english. This has been going on for more than ten years. I asked the club groundskeeper why he didn’t hire any young white guys because there are plenty recent college grads around here without jobs (if that offends you, toughen up. Jobs should go to native born and legal immigrants first). He told me tried, but no one would take the jobs except the mexicans. It’s not that difficult as it entails riding around on a mower all day or using a weed eater.

Most of these millennials are living with their aging Boomer parents hoping for a miracle or waiting for an inheritance. Or they think they can hustle a living on the Internet.”

Look, riding around a lawn mower all day is a job, but its not fulfilling. A the turn of the century, you had a job that produced real value; and you learned skills and applied technique. What is going on here is a generation that built an “economy” around mowing grass and polishing hubcaps, with the naive idea that their children would fall over themselves to get a shot at that action. Well, guess what? We’d rather torch your fucking golf course, and shove your BMW off a pier. Your generation brought the illegals here because there was so much cheap energy you were dreaming of leaving Earth for a Mars colony, so screw farming- plastics. You invested and built an land economy which is an eyesore and without point or purpose, much like your lives. I look at boomers today and I see a people whose lives have no purpose. We are waiting for you to die, after which we will let the grass grow and make a mile-high pile of your fucking lawnmowers.

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Lee Raconteur July 29, 2014 at 19:27

This reads like fiction.

It has been so long since I was in North America, or frequented any Manosphere sites, that this all reads like something from another planet.

I admire your ability to continue to commit to making yourselves miserable discussing the same things over and over and over (economy, boomers are evil, women suck, society in decline, Malthusianism), but I have less time and better things to do.

I will now walk out to my garden, and design another speaker for my living room, perhaps build a tube amp to listen to music on headphones.

You guys…I dunno. Find something else to do.

Everything on my forums and all men’s sites can be summed up in 3 sentences. After that it’s time to move on with life and find something that makes one happy. We know things suck, repeating it for 15 years is pointless.

1) Women suck and are not worth it in the western world.
2) The economy is screwed and new thinking is required.
3) Marriage, family, and dating are cratering in the USA and elsewhere.

That’s it. Anything else is just piling words upon words.

Get a life not online – by that I mean unplug your computer and cell phone permanently and do something real with your lives.

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