PUA Hater Identified as UC Santa Barbara Gunman

by W.F. Price on May 24, 2014

Elliot Rodger, apparently an incel (involuntarily celibate) who posted on PUAhate.com, has been identified via a Youtube video (not police so far) as the shooter in the Los Angeles rampage that has claimed the lives of at least seven. In the video, an eerily calm Rodgers, seated in a black BMW, expresses his hatred for the women who reject him and all sexually active men, vowing to snuff out their lives in a bloody killing spree:

I’ve heard of PUAhate.com (the forum has been shut down since the shooting — Business Insider has an article with some comments here), but I’ve never checked it out, as getting laid is not an issue that concerns me too much. In fact, when Heartiste wrote some time back that mass murder could be caused by lack of access to sex, I thought he might be exaggerating, but when I read about the shooting last night the thought did cross my mind. Seems he was right.

Here’s a darkly prescient passage from the above-linked Heartiste piece:

…as the West reverts back to the ancestral sexual market that is currently in operation in sub-Saharan Africa, we are going to see a growing eunuchracy of involuntarily celibate betas and the marginalized men in their ranks decide that exiting in a blaze of hot lead beats living in loveless obscurity.

I do feel bad for incels, but have some trouble understanding why they think that getting laid will end their troubles and make them happy. In my experience, sex has caused me more trouble and cost me more than any other activity I’ve engaged in. Not that I advise avoiding it, but rather that one should be careful what one wishes for.

I also find it hard to relate to people who can’t get laid. Especially when they are 22, not all that bad looking, and driving a BMW. Hell, at 22 I didn’t even have a car and I was getting more action than I needed. Never had a dry spell until my divorce, and that was entirely voluntary. My main regret is not having exercised more restraint when younger. It leads me to wonder whether Elliot Rodger didn’t have unreasonable expectations. He did mention hot blonde sorority girls, so maybe that was his problem: he was playing out of his league.

In any event, some feminists are now trying to blame MRAs for the killings, despite the fact that Elliot Rodger clearly doesn’t care about anything other than sex, and in fact hates men who do have sex, which includes the overwhelming majority of men who care about men’s issues/rights.

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Alex May 24, 2014 at 11:31

“In any event, some feminists are now trying to blame MRAs for the killings”

That’s par for the course for the fem collective dialogue, where all evil originates with men. If a plane falls from the sky, the pilot was an MRA, who wanted to kill the women on board. If a salmonella outbreak starts with an illegal defecating in a lettuce field while picking the crop, it was obviously a hostile act of macho patriarchy. All middle-aged and aging fast single or divorced women are victims of MGTOW monsters who will not get with the program and offer provisioning and a strong donkey back to carry the loads of deserving angels and their illegitimate children, and are thus being deprived of a future! Big daddy.gov must do something about these men!

Problem is, even if all male discourse could be effectively strangled, that still can’t stop men from coming to their own conclusions and making rational decisions over their own lives.

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Charles Martel May 24, 2014 at 11:56

First, what a terrible tragedy.

I don’t begin to understand the depths of narcissism necessary to take a stranger’s life as an act of revenge for shortcomings in your own life.

Having said that, this is an extremely odd video. If someone had set out to script a monolog to demonize the men’s rights movement they could not have done better.

As you said, Bill, it’s hard to relate to a young man sitting in the driver’s seat of a late model BMW bemoaning life’s injustices. If only his father had spent enough time with him to explain the dynamics of the SMP, perhaps his hate would have been defused.

I have an odd intuition this will prove to be a very significant event.

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geographybeefinalisthimself May 24, 2014 at 11:58

I’m not surprised that feminists are blaming every single MRA for this shooting either. When have feminists NOT blamed anything on every single male who they feel doesn’t “know his place?”

I’ve also noticed that feminists use the expression “toxic masculinity,” but we all know there will never, ever be even one instance where feminists use the expression “toxic femininity.”

Note: Futrelle will probably take quotes from this particular article and analyze them on his site. (I’d like to see him prove me wrong.) He probably also will not come up with one example where he thinks femininity is toxic (and I’ve never heard of a single example where femininity WASN’T toxic).

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Uncle Elmer May 24, 2014 at 12:21

“I have an odd intuition this will prove to be a very significant event.”

Our president will call out the forces of hate and misogyny behind this event and call on the Justice Department to give it their full attention.

Expect some pouty-faced hashtag photos as well.

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Justinian May 24, 2014 at 12:25

If only his father had spent enough time with him to explain the dynamics of the SMP, perhaps his hate would have been defused.

How would it be defused?

When you tell someone like him that 20% of the men will get 80% of the sex and that you will be taxed your whole life to pay for the social benefits for other men’s bastards?

How could that be comforting in any way?

I just don’t see “game” as a real solution for it. The men men who learn it just change who belongs to that 20%. Its a minus sum game. For every one that learns and manages to keeps a “soft harem” multiple other men get left out.

[Justinian, had to edit some of that out so I don't get harassed by U know who]

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Justinian May 24, 2014 at 12:27

I see that that “PUAhate” website linked in the Business Insider article is offline now.

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Grant May 24, 2014 at 12:31

“I have an odd intuition this will prove to be a very significant event.”

I doubt it. The commenters on that video are already turning this into a gun rights issue. Rodgers will be dismissed as a lunatic, the NRA will get involved, and this will become another 2nd amendment debate just like what happens after every other mass shooting.

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Thos. May 24, 2014 at 12:41

This fellow will doubtless be cast as a misogynist. There’s truth in this not doubt but I think that bile was secondary. My guess is that he hated himself more.

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DCM May 24, 2014 at 12:45

I’d guess that legalized prostitution would help with some of the issues. Fat chance. Females, including feminists, will be against it.

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Opus May 24, 2014 at 13:14

Good-looking, coherent, calm and controlled, well-modulated-voiced, guy in up-market motor and expensive clothing in the Southern California sunshine complaining how life is soooooooooooo unfair.

First World problems.

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W.F. Price May 24, 2014 at 13:19

This fellow will doubtless be cast as a misogynist. There’s truth in this not doubt but I think that bile was secondary. My guess is that he hated himself more.

-Thos.

He’s really a misanthrope. He targeted both men and women, unlike Sodini, who just shot women.

BTW, one thing that gets me is that the feminists are really up in arms over this incident, when the truth is that men kill women over sexual anger/frustration all the time in this country. It’s probably the single biggest motive in male-on-female violence, and it doesn’t have anything to do with MRAs 99.9%+ of the time. Why not work on reducing this kind of violence? Oh, right… Because it would mean curtailing women’s absolute, unquestionable right to sexual freedom.

Cranky May 24, 2014 at 13:26

“Why not work on reducing this kind of violence?”

Exactly how would this be achieved? Can you list a 10-point plan or something?

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Wilson May 24, 2014 at 13:35

This guy doesn’t sound very sincere, even for a sociopath who’s dead inside, seems like some sort of homosexual psychodrama he’s performing.

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Charles Martel May 24, 2014 at 13:43

Justinian
How would it be defused?

He may not have understood that his situation was not permanent. And that the answer to his problems would be found in time passing and in personal development.

Like it or not, most 22 year old women have far more power than most 22 year old men. Don’t blame me for that, it’s just biology.

To be honest, on this issue I agree with the feminists. No-one – no man – “deserves” sex.

In that video Rodger comes across as a narcissistic prick. Which, by the evidence of his actions, he obviously was.

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W.F. Price May 24, 2014 at 13:53

Exactly how would this be achieved? Can you list a 10-point plan or something?

-Cranky

You mean something like this?

In all seriousness (because I know you’d never take that seriously), there are plenty of things that can be done. For starters, how about disincentivizing adultery and premarital sex? Less adultery would certainly lead to fewer murders, as would less promiscuous behavior. As I’ve pointed out before, women are safest of all in a marital home with a present husband, and least safe when “single” with multiple partners.

Sure, it’s more fun to have a lot of boyfriends vying for one’s attention, but driving drunk can apparently be pretty fun, too. You can’t always have your cake and eat it, too, you know.

Alternatively, you could Nordicize, but then you’d have to magically change all Americans into Swedes. Somehow, I don’t think that’s going to happen anytime soon.

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Opus May 24, 2014 at 14:20

Certainly in an age of young and monogamous marriage there would be less likelihood of this sort of thing happening, but then that would restrict female sexual freedom to sleep with hunky guys and frustrate those they like to tease. That it appears that everyone else is having great sex with multiple partners all the time only makes matters worse for those yet to break their duck (make their first home run).

There is a danger that PUAs and wanna-be PUAs make claims for Game which cannot be substantiated thus raising hopes that will not be fulfilled. The crazy thing is that a guy like that should have had absolutely no trouble which does suggest (assuming he was being factual) that the problem lay somewhere else.

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Justinian May 24, 2014 at 14:22

To be honest, on this issue I agree with the feminists. No-one – no man – “deserves” sex.

Although I agree somewhat, this attack is the natural consequence of female entitlement mentality.

If feminists are going to argue they are entitled to support from unrelated men, they can’t argue that other men aren’t entitled to sex.

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Matthew Thomas May 24, 2014 at 14:59

He was from a broken home, as all these mass killers seem to be, in all probability raised by his mother on lies about what women really want.

It is really hard to find a rampage killing carried out by a youngster that wasn’t raised solely by a woman.

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RJ May 24, 2014 at 15:04

This fellow was clearly mentally unstable — and a bona fide brat to boot — and to associate him with any group is disingenuous. While MRA groups support policies clearly intended to disadvantage women in some cases (although much more frequently, merely to level the playing field for men), I’ve never heard an MRA suggest that a reasonable response would be a massacre of women.

As a woman, it does frighten me that a man could become so unhinged with hatred for women. Of course, women harbor equally myopic vile beliefs about men, but tend to lash out not with direct physical violence but rather implicit violence (through the state, which enforces laws benefiting women). I’ll let the philosophers hash out which fate is worse, and in the meantime, not let emotions get the best of me as statistics show such catastrophic events to be extremely rare.

That said, I’m sympathetic to otherwise healthy men who have grown to hate women due to the modern state of affairs stacking the odds against them. As a married woman who respects and honors my husband, I can at least feel confident that I’ve done a small part in reducing the disparity. Would that my fellow females do the same, while unusual one-off tragedies like this might not averted, at least gender relations would be much improved, and rather than fighting the temptation to commiserate with this type of scumbag, men would feel inclined to destroy him in order to protect their families (I doubt psychos like this check for wedding bands before they go on their mad sprees). (For the record, all of the happiest women I know are housewives. Why wouldn’t they be? Who doesn’t want to get stay at home and do basically nothing all day?)

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W.F. Price May 24, 2014 at 15:07

Certainly in an age of young and monogamous marriage there would be less likelihood of this sort of thing happening, but then that would restrict female sexual freedom to sleep with hunky guys and frustrate those they like to tease. That it appears that everyone else is having great sex with multiple partners all the time only makes matters worse for those yet to break their duck (make their first home run).

There is a danger that PUAs and wanna-be PUAs make claims for Game which cannot be substantiated thus raising hopes that will not be fulfilled. The crazy thing is that a guy like that should have had absolutely no trouble which does suggest (assuming he was being factual) that the problem lay somewhere else.

-Opus

Well, my point in that previous comment was that Rodger is clearly a one-off nut, but there are a lot more women who get killed by men who are not quite as “unique” as Mr. Rodger. While I don’t think much can be done to prevent mass murderers from acting on their impulses, at least they are very rare. However, there’s a lot of prevention that could be achieved in the “Hey Joe, where you goin’ with that gun in your hand?” variety of murder. Sexual restraint, for example, would probably reduce the number of these murders by an order of magnitude.

Feminists, naturally, will say that murder is wrongerer than fooling around, and that may be true, but there’s clearly an association between the two (which is, BTW, legally recognized, right?), so what you gonna do? Pretend that women can fool around to their hearts’ content with felons and such and then when one gets killed in a jealous rage blame it on the patriarchy? Seems like that’s what they’ve been doing all along, so I say feminism/sexual liberation is responsible for a whole lot more dead women than Elliot Rodger.

WillPenny May 24, 2014 at 15:17

I didn’t have my first sexual experience of any kind until 28 or 27.

This shooter guy is a stupid pussy. Trying holding out for another 5 or 6 years, dipshit.

Not only that, I know guys I work with who are almost forty, and who never had a drip of affection from women their entire lives. Hah.

Fuck, dude, some people.

The brain really isn’t done devleoping, they say, until about age 26. Maybe his rational thought processes hadn’t kick in yet. He didn’t realize that being 22 is very young. I know it’s hard when you’ve been jacking off since 12 years old.

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Matthew Thomas May 24, 2014 at 15:19

All these rampage killers or school shooters are raised solely by their mother. Seems he was a stereotypical nice guy that never got laid but got plenty of rejection, noticed that women were more attracted to brutish men so became one.

Lets be honest, becoming a serial murder increase your attractiveness to women more than being a nice guy does. Who’s fault is that ?

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epoche* May 24, 2014 at 15:22

To be honest, on this issue I agree with the feminists. No-one – no man – “deserves” sex.

In that video Rodger comes across as a narcissistic prick. Which, by the evidence of his actions, he obviously was.
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I dont know of anyone who believes that anyone is entitled to sex nor who would condone this sort of behavior. We merely question the social utility to providing women unlimited and unquestionable social support outside the context of formally committed monogamous relationships — with an understanding of human nature as it actually exists not how some social commentator thinks it should exist.

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Reader May 24, 2014 at 16:01

See, if prostitution were legal in the United States, as it is in 99% of the developed world (but especially so in Europe, Australia, etc.), this wouldn’t be happening. Frustrated young men would have a sexual outlet.

In the old days, when women couldn’t postpone marriage too much due to social pressures, all males were fully involved “in the game” literally from their youngest years onward, because women have to compromise when choosing long-term partners — they can’t all marry the same alpha. Now, however, there’s a long period when women delay marriage. When that happens, the majority of men are disenfranchised, while the top 10% are getting all the action. The disenfranchised men have to wait until the actual marriage market begins, but nowadays it’s later than ever. So there’s a longer waiting period for most average men.

In this situation, having legal and safe prostitution is absolutely critical. But the US is a puritanical country.

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jay May 24, 2014 at 16:23
BoomersGreatestGen® May 24, 2014 at 16:23

You’re quite right about this guy.He was either sex starved (involuntarily celibate)and just like the PUA’s he hated had aspirations well above what he was able to get and was bitter.Those pua sites must have been driving him crazy and I guess that he was just too naive to know that the comments about how the guys are banging 10′s are 100% bullshit and written by boys like himself. As you said, he was 22 and had a BMW so apparently he believed that he was entitled to the best in females(at 22 I guess cars are a big deal for boys who believe it will get them girls). Soldini although older had this same entitlement problem so he shoots a few fat girls at a gym.
Heartiste hasn’t predicted anything. These things have been happening since before he was born and these ideas only appear new if you’re a 20 something.
Pickup blogs are pretty much a joke and are probably even counterproductive because all these boys do is talk and try to figure out how to get girls and what technique to use but these artificial routines(that can never work) only end up making them look creepier if they try to use them. Soldini too attended one these classes where they teach men how to act around females.

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Cranky May 24, 2014 at 16:31

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W.F. Price May 24, 2014 at 16:40

Aspergers, as I thought. A loner who had no friends of either sex and probably never so much as said “boo” to those blonde women he wanted to acquire. Any fathers of daughters here? Would you want your daughter getting involved with an Aspie or similar?

-Cranky

Dunno. Most of them seem pretty harmless to me. I think most fathers are more worried about the “love ‘em and leave ‘em” type — and rightly so. Who wants to have to help raise a bastard grandchild in one’s retirement?

Andrew S. May 24, 2014 at 16:54

Epoche has made some very good points. No one is entitled to sex, but all the tax money in support and preferential laws that are given to women who make stupid decisions with the men they mate with is where the problem lies. Could care less who women sleep with, just don’t want to pay for the bad decisions so many women make nor expect me to see the divorce laws in this country as some sort of fair sexual market.

I also liked what you said about this kid not getting laid. The kid was wrong and if there is a hell he should be burn in it. That being said he wasn’t bad looking and was very wealthy. Granted it was L.A., but still??

As a 6’2 guy, who is a multimillionaire and not bad looking and can’t even get laid in KS, well, the sexual market can be very frustrating. Over the years I’ve used food as a substitute for not being attractive to women I wanted and even if had kept in good shape and taking better care of myself I would probably just make into the top 30% as far appearance goes. But that is not good enough for most of 7′s and above in the Western world. Point is that while what this kid did was awful, the sexual market is insane right now and has been manipulated by liberal women so they wouldn’t have get with beta males.

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Verve May 24, 2014 at 16:57

Here’s what one of the commentors said on one Hollywood Life.com: “This worm is another example of the “Men rights movement bullsh*t.”

I replied:

“No, Men’s Rights is about fathers being able to see their children and not systematically ass raped in divorce by women. You’re against men’s rights? That’s like me calling women’s rights bullshit! Now YOU’RE the creep.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/05/24/santa-barbara-shooter-anti-women-group-member-elliot-rodger-sorority-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-3919373

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Verve May 24, 2014 at 17:12
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Simon May 24, 2014 at 17:20

“I do feel bad for incels, but have some trouble understanding why they think that getting laid will end their troubles and make them happy. In my experience, sex has caused me more trouble and cost me more than any other activity I’ve engaged in. Not that I advise avoiding it, but rather that one should be careful what one wishes for.”

Simple, take a society where young men are constantly bombarded with sex from nearly every media or advertisement. Than take the curiosity of a young man, who would like to know how it feels like and who wants to be in love. Then take a few girls who for one reason or another reject that guy and go for their usual type, instead. If this happens a few times, everyone would get frustrated. If doesn’t have to be sex, I am pretty sure it would be the same for every other product. If you are constantly under the impression everyone else gets what you want and you are not allowed, it is just becomes a source of anger.

As for this guy, judging by his videos. I would say he where a few times unlucky, gave up and blame the world, so far I agree.

But he constructed himself as a superior entity, probably as a self-defence-mechanism, so he would not think of himself as a failure.

I think there is a simple cure for people like him, slap him in the face, humble him by force, give him an exclusive whore for the rest of his life he has to take care of. Or in other words find him a loyal loving wife.

Maybe patriarchy was invented just because of this, to give more men the chance to procreate and not get frustrated.

I would say this, yes he is guilty of murder, but he is just a natural byproduct of our modern society.

“If you want to see a guilty one you only need to look into a mirror.”

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Cranky May 24, 2014 at 19:08

“Or in other words find him a loyal loving wife.”

Wow great idea! Okay, hand him your daughter or your niece — you get the idea. C’mon honey, take one for the team!

The guy was seriously disturbed — like insane. Game, pussy, 100 blonde porn starlets would not have solved his problem.
http-//laist.com/2014/05/24/

His parents failed him; some serious denial going on with regards to their genetic legacy. Shoulda been institutionalized (as should have Adam Lanza).

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Cranky May 24, 2014 at 19:11
Anonymous May 24, 2014 at 19:23

Justinian quoted and replied:

{[To be honest, on this issue I agree with the feminists.
No-one – no man – “deserves” sex.]}

{Although I agree somewhat, this attack is the natural consequence of female entitlement mentality.

If feminists are going to argue they are entitled to support from unrelated men, they can’t argue that other men aren’t entitled to sex.}

I’m thinking similarly – entitled sex = legalized prostitution… but standing in this shooter shoes and I think he identified with the now ubiquituous entitlement mentality and the culturally mandated, preconceived notion of female virtue. His awakening from these lies had a very destructive refrain –

Women’s “absolute, unquestionable right to sexual freedom” is now so widely accepted and in your face the logical conclusion is ‘ok – got it – so where’s mine?’ What’s fair is fair – women have all this and I have… what? Worse, is the realization that not only does one not have all (or any) of the sexual freedoms, you get the bill for hers! And the blame, the shame and the abandonment too…

Not to excuse, but young men in particular aren’t built to accept that shit. Feminism has taken the mask off women’s feral sexual nature. It’s on full display – the lie of presumed female virtue as cultural foundation is blatant and in your face.

In response young men today either become politically correct gay (PC gay will go straight as soon as gay isn’t popular any longer) so as to be accepted by the ruling elite (females), or they’ll shut up and go away – one wants be liked so desperately he twists himself into a people pleasing’, gender beggar – the other is just another loner, loser, creepy male… Gangs, grass eaters, shooters and queers: just a few of the adaptations of young men reacting to the mandate that they pay the bills; personal, cultural, spiritual and financial – for women’s freedoms.

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Mike May 24, 2014 at 19:25

The fact that he’s rich and owns a BMW means nothing. I’m sure he would’ve traded all his money and cars for 10 minutes of making out with a blonde sorostitute. Study after study shows increasing amounts of money above the poverty level does very little to one’s happiness.

If one has ever walked a big state university during summertime, you literally cannot walk a block without seeing about 50 (8+) girls hardly wearing any clothes that you would wanna bang. It would be torture for any straight male. Most handle it by looking at porn twice per day, apparently others handle it with guns.

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Verve May 24, 2014 at 19:46

Hey, well at least this proves that privilege and opportunity isn’t what leads to success. So Feminists & the Diversity crowd can stfu now.

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patriarch May 24, 2014 at 20:00

@charles martel> “To be honest, on this issue I agree with the feminists. No-one – no man – “deserves” sex.” I say, “So, if all women on earth say “no more sex”. All men must deal with it? If a man is healthy, works hard and is a good person and he realizes that he and others like him must suffer misery before bankruptcy if desiring sex… tough shit? We are devolving into an uncivilized pile of shit because women have some twisted combination of too much freedom, too many handouts, too much say and too many fucking opportunities. And if you can’t get pissed about what is going to fuck up the future of you children, what can you get pissed about.

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Shlomo Shunn May 24, 2014 at 20:00

I understand his father (directed?) was involved with “The Hunger Games.” If so, did he not know about the “hunger” his son felt for female companionship? Were the father and son alienated? The picture of the happy family has him sitting aside, not touching the father.

The kid was smart, good-looking, and rich. His father was famous. It’s hard to understand how he wasn’t getting female attention.

On the other hand, females like Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan have only to breathe and guys hit on them. They don’t have to do anything.

There is little understanding, and no compassion, for lonely males.

Meanwhile, feminists continue to cheer Valerie Salanos.

Finally, why did this guy not know about the men’s movement? What good is it to have a non-moving movement that, for a half-century, has only talked… STILL offering no concrete help?

Any female who feels the slightest discomfort these dayd can find tons of real-life, actual help. Meanwhile, males kill themselves…and others…because no one offers help.

Nice going feminism! Keep it up, mean grrrlz!

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evilwhitemalempire May 24, 2014 at 20:04

And yes, I understand “shall not be infringed” but it ain’t 1814 any more. I don’t see why gun ownership shouldn’t be reserved for well-trained adults.
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I don’t see why concealed carry shouldn’t be reserved for EVERBODY so that the first shot a little prick like that fires would be his last.

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evilwhitemalempire May 24, 2014 at 20:16

jay May 24, 2014 at 16:23

This looks staged mr price:
http://apocalypsecometh.com/obviously-staged/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=obviously-staged
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I think you might be right.

The video really does sound like bad acting.

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Bob Wallace May 24, 2014 at 20:29

He felt humiliated, and those who feel humiliated seen revenge. This has been known for thousands of years – think Cain murdering Abel.

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evilwhitemalempire May 24, 2014 at 20:30

Lets be honest, becoming a serial murder increase your attractiveness to women more than being a nice guy does. Who’s fault is that ?
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Dollars to donuts that comment becomes the highlight of Fatrell’s next post.

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Thomas Fullery May 24, 2014 at 20:32

I just realized that the largest spree shooting by a woman took place in a postal facility in Goleta, CA in 2006. This is adjacent to Isla Vista where this spree shooting took place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_San_Marco

Really bizarre. Oddly, I don’t see this mentioned so far by the feminists.

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Reader May 24, 2014 at 21:00

To be honest I’m a bit surprised this guy couldn’t get girls — he looks quite handsome.

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Shlomo Shunn May 24, 2014 at 21:27

> “To be honest, on this issue I agree with the feminists. No-one – no man – ‘deserves’ sex.”

Just like no woman deserves attention, much less sex.

Yet that doesn’t stop feminists from whining about fatties-skanks-skeletons being marginalized. Men are hectored to show some love to wide-loads.

> “Rodger comes across as a narcissistic prick.

He had a PhD in feminism.

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evilwhitemalempire May 24, 2014 at 21:37

IT’S THE FAULT OF SINGLE MOMS THAT MYSOGYNISTIC, HOMOPHOBIC, RACIST, ISLAMAPHOBIC, PUA, MRA, SUICIDE BOMBING, DEVILWORSHIPERS GO ON SHOOTING SPREES.

May 25 posted by David Fat-rell

It appears that the mysogynistic, homophobic, racist, Islamaphobic, PUA, MRA, suicide bombing, devilworshipers over at The Spearhead are all in a bind over how they could possibly be responsible for the recent shooting in Los Angeles.

One commenter has offered his grand insight into this tragedy.

-block quote-
Matthew Thomas May 24, 2014 at 14:59
“He was from a broken home, as all these mass killers seem to be, in all probability raised by his mother on lies about what women really want.
It is really hard to find a rampage killing carried out by a youngster that wasn’t raised solely by a woman.”
-end block quote-

So it appears that those darn old single mothers are the cause and not a bunch of mysogynistic, homophobic, racist, Islamaphobic, PUA, MRA, suicide bombing, devilworshipers.
Keep it classy guys!

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Miss Victoria Von Entitlement |May 25, 2014 at 12:40 pm
“Oh, they should know by now that women are throughly blameless about everything.”

Geeky Darth Vader Rippoff Name |May 25, 2014 at 12:47 pm
“What I don’t get is how they can blame single moms when everyone knows that there would be no single moms if men would just never do or say anything to upset their wives thus provoking her to divorce him.”

Miss Victoria Von Entitlement |May 25, 2014 at 12:55 pm
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“What I don’t get is how they can blame single moms when everyone knows that there would be no single moms if men would just never do or say anything to upset their wives thus provoking her to divorce him.”
-end block quote-
“Absolutely right. It is a woman’s right to take a man to the cleaners if she’s upset.
They should be looking at themselves and what they’ve done to their wives instead of all the child support money we spend on new wardrobes instead of our kids.”

Hippy Stoner Name |May 25, 2014 at 1:02 pm
“I concur.
How can they expect women to raise sons (alongside their fathers) unless their fathers are emasculated pussies that never upset their wives.
And then they have the gall to complain when a woman divorces him for being an emasculated pussy!”

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Shlomo Shunn May 24, 2014 at 21:40

> “He was from a broken home…in all probability raised by his mother on lies about what women really want.”

I think so, too.

If his father is a famous director, just hanging around the set would get him lewinskis. Yet the picture of him and his dad shows the other sibling holding the father, the shooter sitting aloof and alone.

I don’t think his father ever asked about his son’s deep desires. I don’t think he WANTED to hear about his son’s loneliness. Plus maybe he mocked him for being wimpy, gay, etc.

Imagine being a 22-year-old virgin male in our sex-filled era (with females shaving their patooters and taking anacondas up their poopers)! Everyone talks about hooking up and YOU can’t figure out to land even one fish.

So…where were all his sexually-assertive female peers? Where were the proud slut-walkers who were direct about their desires, who went after meeting their needs? Did none see this guy?

> “It is really hard to find a rampage killing carried out by a youngster that wasn’t raised solely by a woman.”

Feminists will blame the custody-only-to-mothers laws on the ever-elusive Patriarchy.

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a May 24, 2014 at 21:43

Mommy issues: Soumaya Akaaboune

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Shlomo Shunn May 24, 2014 at 21:47

> “As a woman, it does frighten me that a man could become so unhinged with hatred for women.”

Really?

Try being male around ANY woman in the West. One lie can ruin your life.

Imagine an ATM where men could anonymously charge a woman with something that always and automatically caused her to be arrested, jailed, and publicly humiliated. All pre-trial.

If the guy later admits to lying, nothing will happen to him.

Women let feminism metastasize. They can’t now act like “Good Germans” and claim they didn’t know what was going on. They didn’t want to know. They didn’t care…because the victims didn’t have “baginas.”

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Shlomo Shunn May 24, 2014 at 21:56

WillPenny: > “I didn’t have my first sexual experience of any kind until 28 or 27.”

Sometimes it takes a while to step out of the closet.

> “This shooter guy is a stupid pussy. ..dipshit….”

Oy! And some people wonder why men, when feeling distraught, don’t open up to other guys instead of acting out.

The world is filled with Great Santinis. Big, bold, brave men terrified of showing feelings. They are like the muscle-bound mountains in prison who will kill anyone who “looks” at them the wrong way. Their manhood is a mile wide and .00000000867 angstrom’s deep.

It’s why feminism succeeds. Guys will do anything rather than risk being called “wusses” by females.

Honorable men, indeed!

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sestamibi May 24, 2014 at 22:10

@Justinian

You nailed it exactly–especially your point about the socialization of support for the bastard spawn of those providing sexual services to only 20% of men.

@Charles Martel

It’s true that no one “deserves” sex, but that is not the issue here. Under traditional patriarchy, marriage and family are default values, so that most betas will have a shot at sex and breeding, and while no one has a right to get laid, until recently it wasn’t a criminal act to try. As I’ve stated many times in these comments, one of feminism’s important goals is to imprison all those icky betas who are so inconvenient, bothersome, and “creepy” or “sketchy”.

As long as this framework exists, it is no surprise that men would react in the manner that Rodger and Sodini did. Such individuals think (rationally, in my opinion), that if one is going to lose his job and have his life ruined at the whim of some cunt, he might as well extract something in return from her. Perhaps when enough of these incidents have taken place, policy makers will notice.

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Shlomo Shunn May 24, 2014 at 22:12

> “I think there is a simple cure for people like him, slap him in the face, humble him by force”

Will you start by doing the same to Gloria Steinen?

Equality!

(Now who says men are meatheads who should be kept from kids because all guys know how to do is hit things?)

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BoomersGreatestGen® May 24, 2014 at 22:18
W.F. Price May 24, 2014 at 22:25

His manifesto:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto

-BoomersGreatestGen

God damned scribd is trying to copyright it.

Matthew Thomas May 24, 2014 at 22:45

The feminists can cry all they want about what i said. The guy hated pick up artists, was raised by a single mother, was bullied mercilessly by girls to the point that he developed a fear of women and yet somehow they come to the conclusion that the fault lies with the men’s rights movement.

Maybe if men had more human rights this would never have happened.

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evilwhitemalempire May 24, 2014 at 23:01

> “I think there is a simple cure for people like him, slap him in the face, humble him by force”

Will you start by doing the same to Gloria Steinen?

Equality!
—————————

The truth is that over a hundred years ago the average person would have absolutely zero trouble with the idea that boys like this one AND most feminist women are in no way above an ass whoopin’.

Back in the 1960′s a former slave (a millennial) was interviewed about life in his youth.
When he was asked if slaves ever got whipped he replied “Only when they didn’t mind.”
He then added “There’s a whole lot of people that need a whippin’ nowadays too!”
And that was back in the 60′s.
Just think what he’d say if he was alive today!

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BoomersGreatestGen® May 24, 2014 at 23:03

Oh no! I got downvotes I’m so upset.Well, that’s about the only power you’ll ever get in life lol

What is it? You don’t like the fact that I think pua types are just silly little nerds or the Boomer part? I can understand the Boomers because like all boys with ‘problems’ you just hate your parents and blame them for your own shortcomings.
I explained in a very scientific manner, and I won’t bother again, why the nonsense these pua sites teach is total bullshit and can never be effective but apparently no one was sophisticated or mature enough to understand;or perhaps just so wanted to believe in something, like religious fanatics, they they just reject anything that does not fit into their belief system. You’re wasting your time with this hocus pocus and would be better off just socialising more something that you should have been doing since kindergarten.Then you would have learned that females like to incite, tease men to get attention and you’d know how to deal with their silliness without getting hurt.In groups they get brave, like girls at some male strip club, but when you have them alone they pretty much turn into docile submissive females.Alone they would be too nervous to even talk to that male stripper.You need experience and you’re not going to get it sitting in the cellar in your pyjamas watching some fake porn. I can’t believe some of the ideas these pua’s have about sex.

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Paul Murray May 24, 2014 at 23:31

Oh, he was also racist. Check out
http://www.docdroid.net/ckku/im-tired-of-seeing-losers-with-hot-chicks-bodybuildingcom-forums-.pdf.html

One of his complaints was seeing white girls with black men. His actual posts are deleted (for racism), but the replies to his post make clear what he said.

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Charles Martel May 25, 2014 at 00:04

BoomersGreatestGen
Oh no! I got downvotes I’m so upset.Well, that’s about the only power you’ll ever get in life lol

Back again, Avenger. You have a unique style with so many tells. “Boys,” “females,” etc., etc. 90 years old and still a chick magnet with all the answers.

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Walhaz May 25, 2014 at 00:51

FWIW, There is probably some over – speculation happening here…..the guy was simply a narcissistic loon. People like that always go over the edge.

It’s unlikely that lack of sex, or being a rich brat, or feminism was the trigger.

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geographybeefinalisthimself May 25, 2014 at 02:24

@ Charles Martel

I know, right? “BoomersGreatestGen” is only his eight billionth commenter name. I’m only on my second one with “geographybeefinalisthimself,” and that’s not that different from my first, in which the four words are put together with spaces in between them.

He’s bitter because the option of downvoting comments is still on the table on this site, despite any protestation to the contrary he may make. If it didn’t make him mad, he wouldn’t bring it up. Last I checked, he can set up his own blog that allows upvoting but does not allow downvoting, like sites that use Disqus (though Disqus used to allow downvoting), set up a site that doesn’t allow voting on comments, set up a site that doesn’t allow comments, or he can also not use this site at all. After all, who is holding a gun to his temple and forcing him to go online and go to this site?

I bet he will downvote this comment despite the fact that he is against allowing voting on comments on a site that DOESN’T EVEN BELONG TO HIM.

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BoomersGreatestGen® May 25, 2014 at 02:59

@Price
Yes, it has nothing to do with any MRM blogs or the like. A spouse killing the other spouse is about even and the numbers are really very tiny.Feminists take these uncommon incidents and blow them all out of proportion.I don’t know of even 1 case of spousal murder.

**********************
I was reading some of Rodger’s manifesto and he does have a lot in common with these pua’s and even with Soldini although I doubt they’d ever do anything for the simple reason that couldn’t even afford to buy a gun. I read an article on one of the pua blogs and the writer mentions that he was homeless at one time but what amazed me was that many of the commenters were at one time too. These people obviously have some ‘problems’ in life because most of them are healthy 20 somethings (disabled get benefits) but yet are so inept that they couldn’t (or maybe just wouldn’t) find any sort of job somewhere to at least live at the Y and buy food. No one suddenly becomes homeless without warning and usually has some family or friends to get assistance from so these guys on the pua blogs are not quite normal to begin with.
There’s a lot of hostility and bitterness there just as with Rodger where on the one hand they are pussy worshipers and believe they’re entitled to the best(Rodger had to have the best blonde) even though they are nothing themselves;and on the other hand all females are dirty diseased sluts and should die a painful death.They like this silly ‘game’ because they think they can trick girls into having sex with them, 10′s only lol , by fooling them into believing that they are of a higher status.As a disinterested observer I can tell what they are in a minute, they couldn’t even fool a dumb girl because even she has a radar detector a lot more sensitive than mine.She has those eggs locked up like they’re in Fort Knox with an early warning system that can detect any inferior sperm in the area lol I’m afraid that there are just some men(and a tiny number of females) who have absolutely nothing that makes them attractive to the opposite sex not to mention real defects and that since only a small number of men are really necessary to reproduce the rest can just be drones in Nature.We’ve tried to equalise things during civilisation but things tend to flow back the norm and with a stubborn certain % of men simply just not useful to the female.Perhaps it’s 10% and those frustrated boys who are on these pua sites complaining.
Aside from any physical defects (to a female) like being short etc they also seem to have inferiority complexes combined with delusions of grandeur (Rodger) and the female senses that there’s just something not right or healthy about these guys.They get rejected by these ‘inferior’ women and then want to kill them.
*****
@Martell-still obsessed with me? You need to get a real life.Still think the SPLC is after you for promoting pua? What delusions of grandeur lol

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DCM May 25, 2014 at 03:49

“Reader May 24, 2014 at 16:01

See, if prostitution were legal in the United States….
………………….
In this situation, having legal and safe prostitution is absolutely critical. But the US is a puritanical country.”

More like a feminist/matriarchal country, dominated by idealized females and their white knight lackeys. Apparently one must at least look like the latter to join the powerful.

However, this guy had money and family connections. All he had to do was drive over to Nevada, where prostitution is in some places legal, and resolve the problem he complained about. He could’ve driven to Mexico or Canada, even flown to Australia. He had to have known that.
So clearly there were matters he didn’t mention, like maybe a desire simply to kill people and die with his alleged reasons as a further way to cause trouble.

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Kate May 25, 2014 at 05:01

I recently spent some time at Manboobz, and I can report the commenters there are *very* fragile. They are incapable of logical thought and respond to everything emotionally, hence the need for constant coddling from the author in the form of “trigger warnings.” They also seem completely void of the concept of personal responsibility, cannot control themselves, and seek to use scapegoats as a self-medicating device.

Their behavior is really not all that different from some of the people they decry; they’re just simply on the other side of the fence. While I do always feel protective of the weak, I cannot support anything that perpetuates a victim mentality. It does no service whatsoever to anyone to allow them to wallow in that mental state indefinitely with no suggestion of how to improve their lives. While I received no ill-usage from the author and suspect he is at a far higher level of stability than his commenters, I do call on him to reflect upon just exactly how he is helping his readers. The concept “backwards design” means that there is an end goal. A support group is all well and good (theoretically), but, what is the next step?

All people would do well to pay particular attention to steps four (made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves) and ten (continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it) of many twelve step programs. Then let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

It should be made very clear to the media that PUAhate and Manboobz are actually the same type of site, neither of which are connected to pick up nor the Manosphere, except that their entire existence is predicated on discussing the every move of the people involved on those other sites. They are both founded on derision, and anyone who allows themselves to sink into those subcultures will likely end up in a depressive state. Mark has written extensively now about internet depression and roosh has outlined the pitfalls of the internet that nearly equate to its advantages.

One of the major factors in this shooting is that people who are miserable cannot see things long term. They have no hope that anything will get better. All those who are celibate do not commit murder, much less to this degree. I was celibate for the first twenty-two years of my life and for the vast majority of the last six. It is a tough existence and I felt extremely alone. Those without companionship, without support, without love can be driven to despair. Doesn’t anybody read Frankenstein anymore?

I hope to see the community bind up its own wounds and pull together. It is possible to have extremely loving relationship after long periods of loneliness and heartbreak. Mark and I are proof of that, and my hope is that it will be true for many, many more members of Manosphere sites.

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Jeremy May 25, 2014 at 06:56

Its not the celibate portion of incel that drives men to rampage, its the INVOLUNTARY part that pushes men to do these things. They’re not getting any, but everyone they know is, and their blue-pill conditioning leaves them entirely bewildered as to what they’re doing wrong. If they’re listening to any blue-pill women’s advice, its even worse.

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Verve May 25, 2014 at 07:03

Get a load of this:
“The Men’s Rights Movement as they call themselves is a nebulous group of pickup artists and misogynists who’ve found each other on line, and are attempting to create a movement based around their hatred, disdain, and fear of women.

We know for a fact that Rodgers was influenced by this movement, as he is subscribed to multiple “pick up artist” or “mens rights” channels on YouTube. They include: “The Player Supreme Show,” which rails against the feminization of men and talks about how to pick up women [and] “RSDfreetour,” a series of self-help seminars run by RSD Nation, a “pick up artist” site. ”
http://uproxx.com/webculture/2014/05/alleged-gunman-in-the-santa-barbara-shootings-had-ties-to-hunger-games-films/

I just want to know how you can ‘hate’ and ‘fear’ women yet at the same time devote half your life to learning how to be with them (???)

I’m trying to wrap my head around that. I started thinking about how I hate and fear ghetto culture, so the last thing I would want to do is learn how to become a thug. I think Feminism has warped American women’s brains to the point where they don’t even make any sense anymore.

It also struck me how supposedly ‘alien’ the concept of men actually having any grievances at all seems to be to the general public.. or maybe again that is simply how the predominantly female writers are once again attempting to frame it.

The funny thing is, while this will in fact give Feminists a field day, what it’s all going to do in the end is give the MRA a HUGE amount of attention and traffic. It would interesting to see how much traffic picks up at all MRA sites now.

And there will be scores of people wanting to read all of the ‘hate manifestos’ on all the MRA sites, only to end up in places like here and then forced to read through dozens of articles about the very real systematic horror unleashed on men everyday through divorce courts and false accusations trying to find said manifestos.

Think of how frustrating that’s going to be for thousands of people who will in turn realize that they’ve been duped and once again Feminists are perpetuating a fraud.. what they do best. And unintentionally just gave the MRA another huge surge in exposure.

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Uncle Elmer May 25, 2014 at 07:07

“What is it? ”

Bad writing. Calling men “boys” and using the worn-out cliche’ about cellars when few houses have them anymore. Claiming deep insight about female psychology while dismissing observations from other commentors. Condescending remarks about kindergarten and religious fanaticism.

Though your remarks would fly well on the myriad of sites fixing blame on “MRAs” while deleting any comments that oppose the group narrative.

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Verve May 25, 2014 at 07:15

Oh, and one other thing.. it said in several articles he was seeing a psychiatrist, so that obviously means he was on psychiatric medication because that’s all psychiatrists DO, is write out prescriptions for meds that actually DO turn people into mass shooters.

In fact they said ‘multiple therapists’ so that would also mean multiple prescriptions, but I’ve read that even just ONE psychiatrist will prescribe multiple psych meds to just one patient at a time.

So once again the TRUE reason is here again- the common denominator in ALL mass shootings, but of course this will again get ignored and swept under the rug because god forbid we insult the billion dollar pharmaceutical industry getting rich off of frauding the public and actually CAUSING mental illness and death.

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Opus May 25, 2014 at 07:43

I might have suggested that this sort of thing is not so much a First World as an American problem – doubtless to be met with a lot of red ticks – but this morning’s papers are saying that the guy was British.

Last night the story only made it to the third spot on Google news – beaten into second place by the shooting at the Jewish Museum in Belgium.

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Richard May 25, 2014 at 08:07

Pretty incompetent misogynist. Killed 4 men and 2 women at last count.

But because he wrote some (ok, a lot of) rambly psychotic nonsense, mostly about women, this is a “hate crime directed at all women.”

Apparently to include those women-with-penises that he knifed to death (which is why guns must be banned).

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Laguna Beach Fogey May 25, 2014 at 08:23

@BGG ~ I explained in a very scientific manner, and I won’t bother again, why the nonsense these pua sites teach is total bullshit and can never be effective but apparently no one was sophisticated or mature enough to understand;or perhaps just so wanted to believe in something, like religious fanatics, they they just reject anything that does not fit into their belief system.

Wow, you sound pretty angry with the PUA and Game community. I hope you don’t have a black BMW. Or a gun.

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Laguna Beach Fogey May 25, 2014 at 08:29

To be honest I’m a bit surprised this guy couldn’t get girls — he looks quite handsome.

I think he comes across as very effeminate in looks and manner, like so many young American men. He was also a short half-Asian. It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see why the blonde hotties didn’t find him attractive.

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Opus May 25, 2014 at 09:00

Doubtless there is more to it than this, bit it turns out that he is also half Malay: could it be that despite his father being white British (or would he be Jewish – Hollywood connection) he just cannot pass for white and his friends (if he had any) were white guys who could pull white chicks, but being half Asian he was of no interest to the white girls in who, he would have been interested.

In other words did he have the same problem as Barry Obama in deciding whether he was white or something else. Obama of course elected to be Black and married Michelle. In other words is this a racial killing against white women with a guy unable to fit in where he wanted to and unable to make Game achieve his desires. Miscegnation makes offspring look like freaks it has to be said.

I have long been sceptical as to what Game can achieve.

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Aaron May 25, 2014 at 09:03

I blame BMW. If we regulated who can own a BMW such as requiring all owners to be 55+ then crimes like the mass shooting would not occur.

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Opus May 25, 2014 at 09:18

The delicious irony is , that had he survived, women would have been sending him love-letters in prison offering him their bodies so that they might bear his children.

Clearly to prevent any further shootings of this type the government needs to implement a policy of enabling all men to get laid regularly – indeed their used to be such a system which generally proved effective: it was known as Marriage 1.

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Matthew Thomas May 25, 2014 at 09:44

@Kate

The problem with Manboobz and the PUAHate site is that they encourage hopelessness.

It’s not that Elliot Rodger felt lonely, it’s that he could never ever see anything changing that. He had lost all hope that things could get better. People can think what they like about pick up artists but at least they are actively trying to do something that they think will make their lives better.

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Charles Martel May 25, 2014 at 10:03

evilwhitemaleempire
I don’t see why concealed carry shouldn’t be reserved for EVERBODY so that the first shot a little prick like that fires would be his last.

That’s another approach.

To be honest my primary objection to the current state of affairs is the minimal training required to obtain a LTC. Four hours is not nearly enough. I’d support arming everybody if there was a sufficient training and say, quinquennial recertification requirement together with a mental health screening.

I don’t believe the founders’ intention was to put a firearm in the hands of every clueless dingbat. Their intention was that the states would maintain militias in lieu of a standing army and that the men that comprised the militias would be responsible, self-sufficient, trained adults.

My attitude to this was shaped by my first experience with firearms in the USA when a work buddy, after a few beers, pulled out a pistol at his house and started waving it around. I took it out of his hands and cleared it and though he had thought it was unloaded – no mag in the mag well – there was a round in the chamber.

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Masculist Man May 25, 2014 at 10:09

My take on this: http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2014/05/elliot-rodger-and-misandric-society.html

Some of the stuff I’m reading here is disturbing ie money equals happiness. It does not. I’ve seen miserable rich people and happy poor people. This is a misandric society that dumps upon men as soon as they are born. We should be the first ones to understand this. Let’s take a look a what this guy went through not how much is in his bank account or what kind of car he drove. I’ve seen a lot of single rich men and a lot of homeless guys that had more women than they knew what to do with.

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keyster May 25, 2014 at 10:14

He’s taught all his life that young women prefer nice gentlemen to brutish thugs – and then observes brutish thugs getting all the vagina on campus. What a betrayal of all those years of feminist indocrination through school, the media and probably his own parents. All he was told were LIES! Women really aren’t the caring, compassionate beings he once truly believed they were. They’re rather cold and calculating arbitors of who shall and who shall not have the pleasure of sex.

No, they really do prefer brutish thugs to weak and sensitive loners – lest their progeny be weak and alone, keeping their genetic material from prospering…or engaging in psychosis driven murder.

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Masculist Man May 25, 2014 at 10:16

To be honest, on this issue I agree with the feminists. No-one – no man – “deserves” sex.

Feminists also believe that men should be required to gain constant consent from the woman during all stages of sex. Feminists also believe that if you look at a woman too long ie sexual harassment that men need to give women money or other means of buying her off. Feminists also believe that they are entitled to sex from men,no matter how old he is.

Do you support that as well?

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Masculist Man May 25, 2014 at 10:24

Of course, women harbor equally myopic vile beliefs about men, but tend to lash out not with direct physical violence but rather implicit violence (through the state, which enforces laws benefiting women).

That is disingenuous. Look at Lorena Bobbitt,Katherine Kieu Becker,Mary Winkler and Clara Harris. All of them used direct violence. Go back to NOW and tell them we’re not buying it anymore.

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Verve May 25, 2014 at 11:59

Maybe I’m out of the loop here and don’t know something (??) I don’t get this ‘can’t get laid’ thing. Personally I think it’s nothing more than one massive mind fuck women are playing on men.

I mean who can’t get laid?!? Just go find a slut- they’re everywhere!! And cute ones at that! I’ve got FOUR women right this second who are interested – 3 of them -eeeh OK looking, but one of them is actually pretty hot.. and I’m not even interested! Why? Because they’re just not worth the headache and trouble that it’s going result in. I mean WTH? And I’m not a ‘player’ or any of that crap. I don’t know, from where I’m sitting I see the opposite- a huge surplus of women, but I do live in a major metropolitan city with a university.

And if you’re even halfway motivated, all you need is a 5th of vodka and she’ll be jumping your bones pronto! I think where the mind fuck comes in is the part where can’t get the exact girl you want- well, who does? I work in sales and I prob get 50 ‘no’s’ for every ‘yes.’ And chasing women isn’t any different. If you’re just halfway good at sales, you WILL hit your quota as long as you keep pushing- it’s the work ethic.

But a lot of the time there isn’t even any logical sense to why you got one sale over another. Sometimes some people just want to buy more than others and you just happened to come along at just the right time. Which is exactly the same with women. Which is why I don’t buy the PUA bs- getting women is more about just dumb luck than science. The only ‘science’ involved is never stop fishing if you’re looking to get laid.

Which leads into my ultimate point.. like these 4 women who are interested right now, the problem is they would just be lays.. and that’s it. Because they’re not gf material and when you look around that seems to be the bigger problem- hardly any women today are ‘gf material’ much less ‘wife material.’ In other words I can just get laid but as far as any long term relationship that’s really unrealistic in this day and age because of the very fact it IS so easy to get laid because Feminism turned most women in the U.S. into sluts. And no one even ‘dates’ anymore.

For all of society, easy sex came with a very high price- the price was a wholesome family and peace and quiet and stability and maybe that is closer to the heart of what made him rage so much, because even if he had gotten laid, the girl undoubtedly would have dumped him anyway right away and on to the next guy like they all do. And then he STILL would have been pissed and even more so.

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keyster May 25, 2014 at 12:03

To be honest my primary objection to the current state of affairs is the minimal training required to obtain a LTC.

I helped a couple of friends start the CCW process a few weeks ago after I gave them an informal gun safety class and we squeezed off a few rounds at their rural property. They were very excited until they took the required CCW permit class. After discovering all the legalities and responsibilities involved, not to mention danger, they decided to not follow through with actually applying. I would guess the vast majority who get a CCW never or rarely carry anyway. If you ever do have to shoot someone it’ll probably cost you at least $100K in legal fees – defense against criminal liability and then of course civil actions from the “victim” and or his family.

I’ve been carrying a PepperBlaster recently. Very effective and much safer. Nifty little device. I’m not planning on the shoot out at O.K. corral or I’d carry a Glock 19 and a few mags.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/pepperblaster

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Hf May 25, 2014 at 12:55

Interesting graphic that correlates an increase in concealed permits with a decrease in violent crime, supposedly that stats are from the FBI:

http://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/concealedcarrystats.jpg

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The Other Jim May 25, 2014 at 13:29

I posted this on CH, but it should be examined for the truth that it speaks to;

http://www.infowars.com/in-death-girls-and-boys-swoon-over-santa-barbara-mass-murderer/

In life, Elliot Rodgers was a Omega Male and couldn’t give any woman the ‘Gina Tingles.

In death, after a psychotic, revenge-fueled murder spree, he now gives women(and some SWPL-Eloi males-WTF?!?) the ‘gina tingles.

I think we can all figure out the explanation for this…

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Prof. Woland May 25, 2014 at 15:26

There are a couple of problems with this case that the MSM won’t like. The first is that this guy was half Asian, which means he is not your typical white redneck. The second problem is that he had a thing against blondes. That also does not fit the preferred narrative either. It does not make this any less tragic but it does mean that the media will need to try a different angle then they usually do.

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shiva1008 May 25, 2014 at 16:22

That sounds like CH, repeating the same things over and over, lol.

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Thos. May 25, 2014 at 18:24

My theory is that women picked up on his being a deeply repressed and self-loathing homosexual who struggled mightily with his sexuality. (Take a close look at that video and tell me what you think.)

Regardless, it appears five of his seven victims, including a cyclist who was driving lawfully through an intersection when his car careened through. Therefore I find it interesting that this is being framed as a misogynist killing spree.

Again, it’s just my theory. Time will tell.

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Thos. May 25, 2014 at 18:32

@Verve
>I mean who can’t get laid?!?

It’s kind of like I have a superpower. But in reverse.

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BoomersGreatestGen® May 25, 2014 at 18:44

@Opus
‘I have long been sceptical as to what Game can achieve.”

It achieves nothing and likely has even a negative effect by encouraging pyjama boys to believe that they can overcome anything and get that ’10′.This only leads to more frustration and bitterness against females. There are simply some things that you can’t overcome, like being a short half Malay (I don’t know what his father is) and trying for the top females (this guy even wanted nothing but blondes!)Sure, there may be a few exceptions, like if he were rich and interesting which is why he craved money so much which he believed would get him what he wanted. What’s deluded about this guy is that he had a real aversion to paying a womanlike when he mother would hire counsellors to take him out and try to socialise him. One of them was a good looking blonde a little older than him and he liked being with her but then thought that she’s just being paid and is like a whore but this was no different than him believing that money would get him the blonde of his dreams so he was rather confused. Besides his obsession with blondes he chose the wrong place to find them where he’d have to compete against athletic tall blonde, or whatever, beachboys. BTW, I read his long and boring “manifesto’ before it was online and then posted a link to it when I knew they would put it up and can tell you that there are plenty of signs in it that he was just abnormal and as I wrote above he basically showed signs of an inferiority complex which I guess he compensated for with these delusions of grandeur and which ultimately led to him being in a rage all the time when he didn’t get what he wanted or even from some innocent comment. In his writings he mentioned that his little brother looked up to him(the only one he claims) and he liked him but on one occasion the maid or someone said that the kid would probably be an actor in 10 years or something like that. This got him mad thinking that his little brother would be better than him and he wrote that he’d have to kill him too(insane right?) If I saw some guy in a Bentley with a blonde which is common where I live I’d hardly notice it or give it a 2nd thought but this Rodger would become enraged and take it as some personal insult and would want to kill them both. Normal men do not think like Rodgar but a lot of pua pyjama boys do. There’s a guy who shall be nameless who who ‘teaches’ this pua nonsense to the boys who is himself a slight bit of an outsider and appears to be an American from some Eastern background. He spent some time in Denmark where he couldn’t even pick up one girl and then to rationalise his failure blames it on the Jante code lol They ll have some excuse for why women just don’t like them and then it becomes bitterness and woman hating where it’s just that women are all whores, golddiggers and bitches.If they would only get out of the cellar and their little world they would see ordinary guys with ordinary women all of the time.My opinion is that these boys just have some physical or personalty disorder that makes them unattractive to the opposite sex and I doubt that any amount of training will help them (just like Rodger’s mother got people both men and women to try to socialise her boy). Pua’s are also deluded and come up with all of these crazy systems that are supposed to get them girls. Just one example,”the approach” A normal man would just say he saw a girl he liked and went over to talk to her but these deluded pua boys believe there is some secret knowledge and that they have to follow every detail or get rejected.They have a 100 of these “techniques” and when none of them work they make up some excuse like, there must be a lot of pua’s around and the girls got wise to it so now we’ll have to make up some new methods lol It’s a pity really.

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NWOslave May 25, 2014 at 19:04

Quite a few of these mass killings and just outright senseless crimes seem to occurring of late, it seems like the leftist dream of utopia is starting to bear fruit. It appears that the combination of fatherless children enforced by the feminist police state insisting women are strong, independent caregivers and all that other nonsense, along with a strong dose of heavy handed leftist ideology has caused a bit of a dilemma. Apparently those bad old traditional values, the traditional family and even religious values were the non-material stuff that actually holds a society together.

Of course an evil corporate entity, comprised of unscrupulous people stretching back for generations which controls the money supply, reading material, mass media and the state would know what how to destroy any given society and bring about a police state if they wished. Goldman Sachs for instance is the largest funder of the democratic party, and also the largest funder of the republican party. Strange how everything always goes back to the royal crown of London, yet the crown of London doesn’t mean the royal house of England who are mere figureheads.

An evil entity certainly won’t let a good tragedy go to waste, nothing gets money flowing like death and despair. Perhaps more security and lots of talking about evil white men, although he was half Asian it was the European part that was evil and white privilege or something or another. Maybe the masters might even decide to shoehorn this into the beautifully crafted common core curriculum indoctrination. Expect new laws, less freedom, more indoctrination. The stage is set for the final act.

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BoomersGreatestGen® May 25, 2014 at 19:05

@Woland
The second problem is that he had a thing against blondes.

No, he had a thing FOR blondes only.

He hated all women for rejecting him but also any man who looked like he could get one of those women he couldn’t.
If he saw Price and his gf walking down the street arm in arm and they looked happy he’d hate them both.
In his ‘manifesto’ he mentions that one New Year Eve he decides to go to that area he likes to try to do something but first he drinks some alcohol.Anyway he drank too much and is drunk.He wanders arounds and walks into parties and takes some more to drink but he gets mad because not one person even notices him.So he goes outside on this terrace or something like that that’s perhaps a few feet above street level. Some girls and guys come out but they just ignore him there and this gets him mad because the guys were all withgirls doing the usual things etc So he starts trying to push the girls off the terrace into the street a few feet below. Then he tries it with the guys who of course push him off and they start beating him until some people stop it. Anyway, he broke his ankle and limps away thinking that not even one girl cared enough to see him home. Sure, you just tried to push girls off and everyone thought you were crazy and didn’t want to be anywhere near you but he takes this as a rejection too lol

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Lurker May 25, 2014 at 20:53

also from what I gather is that the boy lived with his dad, but his step mother didn’t like him so he was kicked. from what I read that boy had serious issues. If goes further than wanting to have sex.

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evilwhitemalempire May 25, 2014 at 21:50

Charles Martel
“a work buddy, after a few beers, pulled out a pistol at his house and started waving it around”
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Yes, I’ve had similar experiences with some of my friends in my youth.

And I do believe that most gun injuries/deaths are actually caused by carelessness and horseplay.

And if there are any good reasons to restrict guns it would be for those reasons and NOT the reasons most commonly given by gun grabbers.

But by the same token wouldn’t lack of gun safety be part and parcel of an anti-gun counter culture that actually takes pride in ignorance of the most basic things about firearms (Alan Combs comes to mind here)?

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evilwhitemalempire May 25, 2014 at 22:20

Verve
“The funny thing is, while this will in fact give Feminists a field day, what it’s all going to do in the end is give the MRA a HUGE amount of attention and traffic. It would interesting to see how much traffic picks up at all MRA sites now.”
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They’re getting wise to that tactic.

A while back I posted a picture on Imgur.

It said in bold letters
“WARNING: Stay away from the MANOSPHERE! Stay far, far away.
I see you! You’re going near the manosphere! Stop it! Stop it this very instant. Don’t you DARE go near that manosphere. I’m warning you! You keep away from it! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!”

It was taken down within minutes.

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evilwhitemalempire May 25, 2014 at 22:34

Keyster

If you’re still there, and in case you don’t know, conservative MRA Bernard Chapin’s (of YouTube’s “Chapin’s Inferno”) has a new web site up.

http://maledefender.com/

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Edward Benjamin May 25, 2014 at 23:33

I don’t think this case is about anything other than a very serious mental illness. If you read the clips from his manifesto available online, it becomes clear that we’re dealing with someone who had megalomaniacal delusions and malignant narcissism. The guy had a master plan to rule the world, for God’s sake. That goes well beyond anything to do with men’s rights, PUAs, or involuntary celibacy.

However, there is one connection to men’s issues, which is that social stigma tends to lead to men denying mental illnesses, failing to seek treatment, etc.

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evilwhitemalempire May 25, 2014 at 23:59

To be honest, on this issue I agree with the feminists. No-one – no man – “deserves” sex.
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People aren’t entitled to a lot of things but that doesn’t stop feminists.

But when one wonders why don’t people have a right to sex?

Because it’s not necessary to live?

You can be an owned slave and still live.

Funny that feminists fancy themselves sexual egalitarians.

Because they would NOT like true sexual egalitarianism.

True sexual egalitarianism would be like “Brave New World” by Aldous Huxley where it’s actually a crime to NOT put out!

excerpts:
|”Think of water under pressure in a pipe.” They thought of it. “I pierce it once,” said the Controller. “What a jet!”
He pierced it twenty times. There were twenty piddling little fountains.|

|Mother, monogamy, romance. High spurts the fountain; fierce and foamy the wild jet. The urge has but a single outlet. My love, my baby. No wonder these poor pre-moderns were mad and wicked and miserable. Their world didn’t allow them to take things easily, didn’t allow them to be sane, virtuous, happy.|

|And feeling strongly (and strongly, what was more, in solitude, in hopelessly individual isolation), how could they be stable?|

-here’s the part I like the best-

|”Consider your own lives,” said Mustapha Mond. “Has any of you ever encountered an insurmountable obstacle?”
The question was answered by a negative silence.
“Has any of you been compelled to live through a long time-interval between the consciousness of a desire and its fulfilment?”
“Well,” began one of the boys, and hesitated.
“Speak up,” said the D.H.C. “Don’t keep his fordship waiting.”
“I once had to wait nearly four weeks before a girl I wanted would let me have her.”
“And you felt a strong emotion in consequence?”
“Horrible!”
“Horrible; precisely,” said the Controller. “Our ancestors were so stupid and short-sighted that when the first reformers came along and offered to deliver them from those horrible emotions, they wouldn’t have anything to do with them.”|

While there’s much to disparage in Huxley’s dystopia it’s quite hard to imagine feminists coming up with better arguments against a right to sex than he has put forth for it.

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Maaldweb May 26, 2014 at 01:16

The key problem is the obsession our culture has with sex, it is an obsession that overwhelmingly benefits young females and females in general. Although it is not enforced by females, but by the forces that want to see the disintegration of human societies into a pulp of gratification-chasing consumers.

Evola in Ride the Tiger writes that at the terminal phase of every civilisation’s circle women and sex become the dominant force in society. Collapse then ensues.

What is surprising with this case is that this guy had pretty much anything he needed to be a sexual athlete, he was young, not ugly, he had a luxurious car and obviously he was willing to spend a lot of money to get laid. Yet he couldn’t achieve it.

He obviously wasn’t rejected by some 30 something female with a ph.d. in art history who would want him to be able to converse about Rembrandt and Caravaggio. He was going after bimbos, who are shallow, materialistic and with a two-digit IQ. Yet even those didn’t want to stay around him for long. That shows that the guy had some serious personality flaws and not the kind of flaws that usually attract females but the serial-killer type flaws.

In a stable and sane society his inner turmoils would never have the chance to surface and cause harm, but our society facilitates that process. I am pretty sure we will see more people like him in the future going for mass shootings.

Teach your sons that life isn’t all about sex. By understanding that they will be able to concentrate on more serious things and women will be attracted to them through that.

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BoomersGreatestGen® May 26, 2014 at 03:17

@Elmer
“Bad writing. Calling men “boys” and using the worn-out cliche’ about cellars when few houses have them anymore.”

Most of these pua’s are boys and if they are older they certainly think and act like boys so I’ll refer to them as boys.And the cellar is just a figure of speech to describe these hermits and can just as well mean the attic or just their room. btw, cellars are common and besides where else can you store your wine. I don’t want to get into discussing architecture but when you build a house you need a footing for the foundation and it’s usually at least a few feet in colder areas. You can just as well keep pouring the concrete into the trench right to the surface, remove the interior dirt and pour a slab at cellar level.

‘Claiming deep insight about female psychology while dismissing observations from other commenters. Condescending remarks about kindergarten and religious fanaticism.’

It’s apparent to me from the comments that these boys have virtually no experience and certainly not a wide varied experience in a number of areas so yes, my comments are more valuable. The comment about kindergarten was in reference to being socialised where I said that this is something you should have been learning from when you were a child and not something that some internet pua guru could teach when you are already a 20 something. It would be like someone trying to learn how to dress, dance or the hundred other things he should have learned as a kid when he’s fifty. It may be possible but that person would never be a natural and would always need tuition from an expert because he doesn’t get certain nuances and would be awkward, just like the 20 something pickup boys are with women.There’s always something incongruous about their behaviour which makes them look freaky and unnatural and females easily pick up on this.These boys are to be pitied because once you’re past a certain age it’s all over in 9 out of 10 cases and it may not even be their mother’s false and just a defect in themselves. They like to blame things like feminism but feminism is dead or on it’s last legs. They need feminism though because without it as a scapegoat they’ll have to face themselves and won’t be able to point to some bogeyman who has been holding them back. Also, remember that the internet gives a skewed impression of the actual numbers of these pua malcontents when in fact the numbers of boys failing to find girls is likely tiny in real life.

Though your remarks would fly well on the myriad of sites fixing blame on “MRAs” while deleting any comments that oppose the group narrative

I’m in no way disparaging the so called MRM sites that discuss real issues but even here there is no real men’s movement but just a lot of disconnected sites and comments that have achieved nothing but talk.If there was a real men’s movement that was organised, well financed and united with at least 10% of men (15 million) and had a real agenda that they wanted to achieve that may be a movement.When I see those members donate even a small $1k each so that the organisation has $15b to work with and has legal teams and lobbyists to get certain laws removed from the books that negatively effect men then perhaps I’ll take it seriously but until then it’s just a talking shop run by amateurs.

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Khangray May 26, 2014 at 05:19

“…as the West reverts back to the ancestral sexual market… we are going to see a growing eunuchracy of involuntarily celibate betas and the marginalized men in their ranks decide that exiting in a blaze of hot lead beats living in loveless obscurity.”

The need for sex for young and middle aged men is like an addiction. We’re born addicts, it just doesn’t become apparent until puberty. To say that no man “deserves” sex is probably true but pointless. A heroin addict doesn’t deserve heroin but that doesn’t mean he won’t kill to get his next fix. It is what it is.

One of society’s reasons to exist is to address this need, to control it to some extent, to capitalize on it. One danger (one of many) of feminism is that it degrades the ability of our current society to address this addiction in a constructive way. Feminism is forcing the sexual market place in a direction that will not end well. Expect to see many more Elliot Rodgers in the future.

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Just saying... May 26, 2014 at 08:23

People can think what they like about pick up artists but at least they are actively trying to do something that they think will make their lives better.
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Like…what? I hear all this shit about “learning game” (someone define “game” for me), but that wouldn’t have changed the fact that good ol’ Elliot was living off of his dad’s money and had a car handed to him.

Furthermore, find me a PUA type that actually has a life worth living. One that doesn’t make a “living” hoping you buy their bootcamps and whatnot.

His other problem was being 135 lbs. The 5’9″ is manageable. Playing WoW all day long doesn’t fix that. When you hate the site of other people, it’s tough to go out and buy a gym membership.

As for a hooker being the cure, well, doubtful. A hooker wouldn’t have to accept him for who he was, either.

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NMH May 26, 2014 at 08:27

I think a part of the reason he did this is that young men (in particular) either put, or want to put, women on pedestals. They really want to believe that these beautiful creatures are less superficial than they (men) are.

Then you learn that women in general are as superficial with the opposite sex as men.

Some men adapt and embrace this reality by becoming PUA (Pick Up Artists) and play women’s emotions and use women for sexual pleasure.

Other men withdrawal in some fashion.

Some men get very bitter.

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crypter27 May 28, 2014 at 03:37

He was a spoiled brat ,who thought that he should have the best of every thing and feminist trying to link him to us is just plain sick if you ask me.

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sterling archer May 30, 2014 at 14:56

DCM May 24, 2014 at 12:45
I’d guess that legalized prostitution would help with some of the issues. Fat chance. Females, including feminists, will be against it.

Yea but, my body my choice, right? right?!?

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RJ June 5, 2014 at 16:26

@ Shlomo Shunn,

You’re absolutely right and looking back at my comment, I’m embarrassed to admit that I wrote it — a good deal of my points were off-mark. The take-home message is that feminism has sought to stir animosity and fear between the genders, and it has succeeded: what’s more, men fare far, far worse in this battle. At least I’m young enough that I can avoid the blame for the enactment of these policies, and I’m seeing a few young women like myself returning to traditional patriarchy. Again, I apologize for trivializing the issues that men face. I wish there was more that MRA-sympathetic women could do to help the cause.

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Savvy June 20, 2014 at 03:29

@Reader
Rodger drove all the way to Nevada to buy lottery tickets. Prostitution is legal in many counties there. Why didn’t he just take his $ and visit the bunny ranch?

This is what is totally true:
“I do feel bad for incels, but have some trouble understanding why they think that getting laid will end their troubles and make them happy.”
WF hit the nail on the head.

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