We Shouldn’t get Hung Up on the 50s

by W.F. Price on December 7, 2013

When I write about the superiority of patriarchy as a principle of social and family organization, a lot of people automatically assume I’m arguing for a return to Father Knows Best. While I do think the 50s had a lot going for them, our perceptions of that era (which really includes the early 60s, too) are often obfuscated by the fact that contemporary feminists are, for the most part, culturally ignorant, and only aware of children’s programming of the time. Their concept of the 1950s is limited to the reruns of sitcoms and shows they themselves saw as children in the 70s (I remember the old 50s programming myself). Baby boomer feminists may have the same impression — only people around 70 or above would have been exposed to adult entertainment in the 50s.

Despite the conservative sitcoms and afternoon shows, 1950s entertainment was, in its own way, as subversive as anything we have today. Divorcées were portrayed as glamorous on the silver screen, hypergamy was encouraged by children’s productions such as Cinderella, and leading men were rakish badboys as often as not. Sometimes, when I watch old films from the 50s, I wonder how people today can seriously characterize the era as so “square.” It wasn’t.

The reason people generally behaved in a conservative manner was not because the culture forced them to, but because the hard lessons of the Great Depression and war were such recent memories. Your typical middle-aged man in the 1950s, like my paternal grandfather, had been a struggling youth in the depths of the Great Depression, and young fathers had faced the very real possibility of death in uniform. My 90-year-old maternal grandfather, who flew 32 missions from ’43-’44, watched men burn to death after bailing out of stricken B-17s. My uncle Buddy watched Shanghai burn as Japanese bombed the city, uncle Edgar’s destroyer was bombed and almost sunk, and uncle Barney died in the Philippines. This is the perspective men had at the time. The idea that they could suffer through that and be bossed around in their own homes was unthinkable. Feminists who complain about how oppressed women were in the 50s never would have signed up for what grown men of the time had faced, and most women knew it, so they shut up and did the laundry.

To see things accurately, we must separate the reality from the myth of the 50s. Yes, there was a fair amount of lip service paid to the idea that men ought to be respected as head of household, but the culture was already moving away from that at a rapid pace. There is a constant, unyielding desire in the human heart to be liberated from reality, and to forget hard lessons. Those who sacrifice are always resented, despite our deference to them — we are not by nature an obedient, grateful lot. The decade was merely an interlude; a time of uneasy peace between husbands and wives and fathers and children. Founded on poverty and war, it was not built to last in a growing, increasingly wealthy society.

But what society is built to last without change? I look at what we have today, and the fact that societies never remain the same is one of the few consolations that remains.

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bear December 7, 2013 at 17:00

I agree that the dynamism of society is one of the few consolations right now.

As a college-aged woman, I am appalled by many of my peers – women who eschew any sort of feminine identity and treat men like second-class citizens, and effeminate men who bow down to and even promote liberal feminist nonsense, presumably because they think they are doing the right thing.

Meanwhile, there are some of us who do see value in masculinity and femininity, in a proper division of labor and emotional resources among men and women, who value children, family, and stability. This is the group that will go on to produce functional offspring, who will maintain health and wealth in the future. I am optimistic that regardless of whatever cataclysmic downward spiral we have coming our way, the same values and behaviors that have sustained society for the past thousands of years will continue to do so.

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gender foreigner December 7, 2013 at 17:45

Of course, the undermining of patriarchy has many roots and Coca Cola was not the first to do it. During the early 1900s, tobacco companies promoted the idea of , “the new woman” who broke social conventions by smoking, being out of the home and generally trying to cross-act (act like a man, supposedly).

The feminism funded by the Rockefellers, et al as recognized by HenryMakow.com (or .ca ?) had an ancestry less recognized. And, of course, it goes back to the original feminist, Eve.

The foundations of feminism/matriarchy are myriad, sometimes intentional outcomes (as noted above) and other time, as side effects of other events. One such event is war in which the father (and sons) are forcibly removed from the home.

While the cat is away, the mice will play. The role of the men is partially embraced by the women left behind in safety. I say, partially because the children suffer from a relative absence of discipline (speak with children of veterinarians who left the farm house for weeks on end while the house went into relative anarchy because Daddy was gone and you’ll see what I mean).

In the east of the USA during the 1800s, the phenomenon of, “Go West young man” was foundational to a willy-nilly feminization of the east (particularly the northeast) of the USA and a masculinization of the West.

In that West, the men were consistently the great majority but, the few but increasing number of men who could marry because of increasing availability of women meant that an increasing feminization of the West was taking place. However the gender ratio was a lesser matter in the big picture of the foundation of matriarchy in the USA (and elsewhere).

In the East, travel distances were less than in the West, and as such, although the population was majority feminine, the man of the house could be home much more often to rule than in the West. In the East, the male was the great majority, but was absent for much longer periods of time conducting cowboy cattle runs to distant railway stations for example.

That being absent for such long periods meant that all functions of the home had to be addressed (and/or neglected–such as discipline and protection) by the woman of the house. And with the relatively consistent threat by Indians of break and enter and the like, the danger was much higher.

The above facts gave rise to women becoming used to running the house and farm (and/or neglecting to do so) and the children would grow up seeing women rule in the home.

And with Indian wars being more common in the West than in the East (and budgets being tight), sourcing of men from the West kept the cost of sourcing recruits down. Furthermore, the familiarity of Western men with big-picture geography meant that the Western men were more desirable and they were, in effect, already route-checked and knew how to get around and survive in the army camping lifestyle.

The absence of men in the West as per the women meant that women had to provide protection/be provided protection by way of real estate and machinery rather than men. That is to say, the strongest impetus for replacement technology for the men was in the West (where, “churches” and Hollywood even glamorize the West as an ideal rugged society of patriarchy).

Such replacement of men as protectors included women being much more commonly used to using firearms for protection. It also meant that cellars were really the precursor of bomb shelters of the proverbial 1950s nuclear era.

Time and time again, diaries of such Western women showed that when Indian (men) arrived near the house, they and the children would escape to the cellar (the precursor to the nuclear bomb shelter–as the pressure cooker was the precursor to the microwave oven).

And when desperately mobile and hungry and ill-clad Indians (men) showed up on sight, they did so not seeking to harm but rather survive. They were ill-clad (almost naked often) and the clothes they did wear were worn-out significantly. What is more, being on the verge of starvation, they wanted to take from the (food) shelters. As such, the women’s strategy of escaping to the precursors of the bomb shelters was dysfunctional.

Had they reflected on the nature of the desperation of the mobile male Indians, they would have recognized that those Indian (men) were hunting for food and not scalps and not vaginas to rape. Survival was their lot. They were functioning at the bottom.

The above meant that an escape shelter other than the otherwise food cellar would have been more appropriate as it would not have functioned as an Indian magnet. Escape to a barn would often made more sense.

One can see the relationship between war and matriarchy. The taking away of the men of the house is the social war, the War on the Home Front which is always evident in putting men into harm’s way in the Front War in the battle lines of the water, land and air. As such, the fact situation of war across an at-war society means the rise of women and the double fall of men in the front and in the home. Remote war (as remote commerce/empire) are foundational to the disposability of the man in the residence.

As such, feminist societies such as that of Sweden with his long history of marauding can be understood as to why it is so feminist. War is double violence against men, in the Front Line and the Home Line.

As such, it is to be expected that World War I saw the spreading of the women’s vote as such was mere confirmation by law of that which had already been in place en masse by fact. That is to say, matriarchy is substantially FOUNDED ON WAR, COMMERCIAL GLOBALIZATION AND EMPIRE (the very things feminists claim to oppose by way of the slogan).

And being mere sloganists, the feminist women are too stupid to connect the dots of feminism/matriarchy and its pink foundation whose color is a pale shade of (male) blood red.

“Code Pink” is washed out blood red. Contrary to feminist stupidity, incompetence and hate, the evidence is contrary to the feminist slogan, “Think Pink, not War.” The truth can be seen, the ugly reality is that matriarchy is founded on the making of gender foreigners of men in the home country and such can be well represented and recognized by the following account of the facts in evidence: “Think Pink, think War.”

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gender foreigner December 7, 2013 at 17:59

As a followup to my previous entry, it is notable that whereas when the USA was formed by the rebels among the British subjects of 13 North American colonies, the land policy and ideology of the republican regime was clearly in favor of PRIVATE LAND OWNERSHIP.

Such was in considerable contrast to much of European history of feudalism and the like (although Europe was evolving away from state land to private land incrementally). The USA decision was en masse and conscious.

“Conservatives” and, “Liberals” will NOT want to recognize nor appreciate the fact situation I will discuss here. It is this: In utter opposition to the East USA preference for PRIVATE land ownership, the policy of land ownership preference was for that of STATE OWNERSHIP.

The Trotsky for that policy was significantly the American President, Roosevelt the First, national parks and all. Few recognize the utter COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARY NATURE OF THAT REVERSAL OF LAND POLICY. The private East (“Liberal”) was thusly in juxtaposition to the FEUDAL (“Commie-Cowboy”) West.

My two discussions in this thread when put together meant that the claimed PRIVATE-ENTERPRISE, CAPITALIST, PATRIARCHAL COWBOY was a measured LIE. The facts evidenced that the phenomenon was really that of the MATRIARCHAL, COMMIE COWBOY.

Only in recent decades has there been a relatively large reversal of that counter-revolutionary impetus of Roosevelt the First. Now, about half of USA forests are privately owned and they are much better managed than the state-owned ones. As private entities, the owners literally and figuratively reap what they sew, whereas in contrast, passive/consumptive harvesting of trees typifies management of the government forests. (And, perhaps oddly, Feminist Sweden’s forests are mostly in private hands, and have been for at least over a century.)

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The Dude December 7, 2013 at 18:03

This looks pre-WWII to me. Probably pre-WWI
http://s3.hubimg.com/u/5824310_f248.jpg

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Survivorman December 7, 2013 at 18:17

I’m old enough to remember the late 1950′s and early 1960′s, and what I remember most of that era was an obsession with “The Future”.

At fairs and expositions there were *always* exhibits that speculated how the future would be – and what it would be like to live there. There was a pervasive optimism that things would be great, and technology would solve any problems that may come up along the way.

Well, here I am, ~50yrs into that bright future we were all but promised, and I’ve gotta say..

The *future* ain’t what it used to be!

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gender foreigner December 7, 2013 at 18:18

And, of course, the Eastern corollary to the Western, matriarchal commie cowboy was the, capitalist “Liberal.” As such, the USA was, “A Tale of Two Solitudes” of claimed and substantive opposites. The Pink East was the most conservative and the Blue West was the most liberal. Hollywood and its minions and Hollywood’s customers/public(s) never did seem to recognize the true colors behind the claimed patterns.

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gender foreigner December 7, 2013 at 18:19

And the East was the most patriarchal and the West the most matriarchal.

Out. (finally) :)

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greyghost December 7, 2013 at 18:56

The dude
I saw that and the guy was hen pecked and it is fine with me. If a man volunteers his masculinity and submits his balls to a the woman of his dreams that should be and is his decision to make. That photo today is taken with a government official with a glock 22 pointed at his head. Not the same thing.

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Paul Murray December 7, 2013 at 19:43

My impression was that “Father Knows Best” was actually about a father who was usually last to know about anything going on. Basically, it was “Everyone Loves Raymond” with the mask still on.

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Jaego December 7, 2013 at 19:56

Even back in the 20′s men were sometimes portrayed as buffoons by popular culture and advertising. Women are big consumers and that’s what they like. They don’t know what’s good for them and shouldn’t be in charge. But Capitalism gives them this power which isn’t good for them. And when Capitalism blends with Socialism (which in its mature form is has much in common) the inchoate feminine desires become written into the Law via the vile practice of democracy or mob rule. Those behind advertising control the mob even as Bernays predicted. Next stage: a strong Man emerges to become the incarnate Husband. The State per se is too amorphous to fulfill this need perfectly.

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keyster December 7, 2013 at 21:23

And, of course, it goes back to the original feminist, Eve.

The original feminist was Lilith, representing chaos, seduction and ungodliness. I would say Eve represented the nature of every other woman. If feminism had presented itself, she would have taken a bite from it.

It’s easy to harken back to different periods in cultural history when you weren’t there to experience it, but this conflict was revealed by the ancients in metaphor. We seem to keep re-learning it as it shape shifts to suit the times. The Fall is always happening. If Adam had argued with Eve and not eaten of the fruit, there would have been a 911 call and a domestic violence situation, leading inevitably to divorce. But she believed the serpent and Adam believed her, and God was none too pleased. The garment industry has thrived ever since.

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jay December 7, 2013 at 21:41

The undermining of Patriarchy has deep roots back to the 12th century:

Love and war have always been opposed, as we see in our usual phrase ‘make love not war’ or in the rhetoric of pro and anti-war camps. That the two are mutually exclusive is obvious enough. However, in twelfth century Europe something peculiar happened that ushered in a melding of these two contrary principles. Here the military code of chivalry was mated with the fancies of courtly love to produce a bastard child which we will here call chivalric love (today we simply label it ‘chivalry’). Prior to this time chivalry always referred to the military code of behaviour –one that varied from country to country– but one which had absolutely nothing to do with romantic love.

What method did twelfth century society use to bring this about? In a word, shaming.

The medieval aristocracy began to ramp up the practice of shaming by choosing the worst behaviours of the most unruly males and extrapolating those behaviours to the entire gender. Sound familiar? Knights were particularly singled out –much like today’s sporting heroes who display some kind of faux pas- to be used as examples of bad male behaviour requiring the remedy of sweeping cultural reform.

During this time of (supposedly) unruly males, uneducated squires were said to ride mangy horses into mess halls, and rude young men diverted eyes from psalters in the very midst of mass. Among the knights and in the atmosphere of tournaments occasional brawls with grisly incidents occurred – a cracked skull, a gouged eye – as the betting progressed and the dice flew. Male attention to clothing and fashion was said to be appalling, with men happy to go about in sheep and fox skins instead of clothes fashioned of rich and precious stuffs, in colours to better suit them in the company of ladies. And perhaps worst of all were their lack of refinement and manners toward women which was considered offensive.

How and by whom was this unruly gender going to be reformed? One of the first solutions was posed by a French Countess named Marie. According to historian Amy Kelly, with her male reforming ideas;

“Marie organized the rabble of soldiers, fighting-cocks, jousters, springers, riding masters, troubadours, Poitevin nobles and debutantes, young chatelaines, adolescent princes, and infant princesses in the great hall of Poitiers. Of this pandemonium the countess fashioned a seemly and elegant society, the fame of which spread to the world. Here was a woman’s assize to draw men from the excitements of the tilt and the hunt, from dice and games, to feminine society, an assize to outlaw boorishness and compel the tribute of adulation to female majesty.”1

http://gynocentrism.com/2013/07/14/the-birth-of-chivalric-love/

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Dan the man December 7, 2013 at 22:28

The fifties was a last gasp of sanity, from a long downward slide to present day madness. No, they were not perfect. All these young men that think they know the fifties better than the men that lived it, and dystopian fantasy, Mad Max, Walter Mitty ideas need to grow up. I mean grow up ,not man up. As in be realistic, and take sane look at life.

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Anonymous December 7, 2013 at 22:58

“Meanwhile, there are some of us who do see value in masculinity and femininity, in and emotional resources among men and women, who value children, family, and stability.” Ms Bear

Stability for whom – you? There is no stability for men when it comes to any relationships with women. Marriage, de-facto, dating – even professional relationships – all present massive dangers and risks for men. Surely you must have noticed.

Men have every reason to be deeply suspicious when a woman starts referring to “a proper division of labor”. It invariably means men bearing the brunt of responsibilities in order to allow women the freedom to make lifestyle choices. It is no surprise that a woman would pronounce this as being ‘proper’.

I shudder to even think about what you mean by “emotional resources”. It usually means men being stoic emotional tampons soaking up irrational female hysteria.

Women usually define masculinity as a some kind of resource to be utilized and exploited. I’m not surprised that you value it – or at least, your definition of it. The problem for you, is that most men who comment here have the revolutionary idea that masculinity is something that men should define for ourselves. You don’t get to do it – and you certainly don’t get to cherry-pick the bits you like.

The “values and behaviors that have sustained society” have not been very rewarding for the vast majority of men. They have turned us into disposable wage slaves whose primary function has been to march off to die in conflicts on behalf of the oppressor class – and women.

Sites like The Spearhead offer a are opportunity for women to listen, for once, to what men actually want, as opposed to what some woman, like yourself, deems best for us.

Pay close attention.

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www.coalpha.com December 7, 2013 at 22:58

The 50s was toward the tail-end of a once good culture. It often surprises me that anyone would think it was a Golden Age. I would say America’s greatness truly died in the 70s. In the 50s, America was already highly transformed from a better state into something grotesque. But just because things become dysfunctional doesn’t mean that they collapse overnight. We’re now living not at the end of a Golden Age, but at the start of a new Dark Age. Although it won’t truly be dark as liberals might want to represent it. After all, the Dark Ages or Middle Ages weren’t nearly so horrible as some would like to say. And the Enlightenment was more of a “progressive” reawakening of Western civilization’s ability to wreak havoc with social warfare like feminism.

By the way, everyone here should google “the democratic cycle.”
Nihil novi sub sole. What I’m hoping for now is for the world to become incapable of creating feminism again and to finally learn from its mistakes of the past. I’m sure that won’t happen, so I would prefer the Apocalypse instead. Other than that, the world may just permanently descend into being a global ghetto economically and culturally and continue that way until the end of the species.

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shmiggen December 7, 2013 at 23:08

…so they shut up and did the laundry

Ok Bill, that one really busted me up.

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Justinian December 7, 2013 at 23:13

I don’t care much for the 1950′s, I’d rather go back to the 1850′s

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geographybeefinalisthimself December 8, 2013 at 01:36

“But what society is built to last without change? I look at what we have today, and the fact that societies never remain the same is one of the few consolations that remains.”

While I agree with you that societies change, ours is clearly not changing fast enough to get rid of feminism in a timely fashion.

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Mickey T December 8, 2013 at 01:56

The 50s were when: (A boy’s view then and a man’s view today)

A girl could finally put on some brightly colored tight fitting clothes, strut around pushing out her chest and say: “You want some of this? You are my slave.” She could finally pedal her wares publically. The world became an open air whore house. Freedom at last!

A boy would momentarily wonder what those bumps on the chests of women were, which men seemed to like, then run to his father for money to buy more BBs and get down to important things. Who cares about women pushing out their bumps. He would find out soon enough.

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DCM December 8, 2013 at 02:35

I was born just before the end of WWII and so remember the late 40s and the 50s (which lasted into the mid 60s).
I recall the 50s as a paranoid time when everyone had to hold to a propped up version of previous times, when any new ideas or too much knowledge or interests beyond sports branded one a “queer” subject to physical, mental, social attack. Down here even wanting to defuse social stress by ending segregation (though we had remarkably little trouble ending it) put one on the anti-American side even though equality was a long delayed purely American matter.
As a kid I sensed things were wrong. The next decade (really 1966 to 1975) introduced some good changes that were immediately poisoned by the left. It wasn’t for long what I wanted.
I don’t want to bring much of those eras back and we can’t anyhow.

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Vektor December 8, 2013 at 08:26

I like the analogy of the last 50+ years of feminism as a bubble. Bubbles don’t last forever because they cannot last forever.
http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

@Survivorman
Internet porn has already had an impact. When VR Sex and better male contraception finally arrive, things will get change even more.

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Dan the man December 8, 2013 at 09:16

@DCM History informs us that men in the fifties, had every reason to be paranoid. I sense that there is another reason you feel the way you do. Anyway, I am done with this subject. When I hear attacks on the fifties, I see a agenda that I dont agree with in any form or fashion.

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keyster December 8, 2013 at 12:11

A girl could finally put on some brightly colored tight fitting clothes, strut around pushing out her chest and say: “You want some of this? You are my slave.”

Competition for male attention is always evolving. It’s chronicled in women’s fashion media. Men respond to visual enticement; it doesn’t take much either. Bared calves in the roaring 20′s was radical.

Men gladly submit themselves to slavery under a beautiful woman. (How many times has Christie Brinkley been married?) There’s so much more though; like increased status and respect among men, getting the best seats in resturaunts and having attractive children. Everything is easier except fending off other men.

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Mickey T December 8, 2013 at 14:49

@DCM
We are about the same age but I’m from the Northeast and I’ve lived in the South for the past 25 years, so I can see why you bring up things very different than what I experienced growing up in the 50s. The South has their own culture which may not be an accurate representation of the rest of the country. To me, some of your account seems regional rather than era.

There was no “paranoia” that I was aware of. I saw it as a time of prosperity with happiness and contentment. It was a time for the birth of Rock N Roll and the 1955 Cadillac Coupe DeVille………………Sure women had more power in the bedroom and some other areas Forget feminist propaganda and ignorance . Women, from my view, were confident and basically did their job of caring for the children and home, while men went out and to work. He supported and protected the family. He was ostracized by society if he didn’t do his job and she the same. They both showed respect for each other. My parents separated when I was young. My mother was an attractive woman who was well liked, so many a man wanted to marry her, but they were ALWAYS gentlemen when she refused their attention.

The people then really didn’t seem like all of this was oppressive and all that other sh** these woman today babble on about to get a life of bliss without responsibility. Feminists use irrelevant TV shows depicting women as inferior to men in order to support their agenda. The political support that they were/are seeking is from younger voters who believe their BS because they have no way of seeing it any other way. It worked.

It was a great decade for me and most around me who many now admit they wouldn’t mind going back.

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Migu December 8, 2013 at 14:56

It’s not a very effective rhetorical strategy, and it’s clear that you wouldn’t have bothered to blow a gasket over my comment if I hadn’t provided my demographic information.

– Bear

Aaaand you just lost all credibility. Sorry sweatpea but you have no idea what his emotional state was, and it is poor rhetorical strategy to argue ad passiones.

Just kick back and watch, this place is great.

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Mickey T December 8, 2013 at 15:10

“Competition for male attention is always evolving”

But in the 50s the delicate art leaped light years ahead. It was perfected, so to speak.

If women needed to be liberated, I believe the 50s was the time for it. Not only did the women of that era get what they wanted , but they convinced men it was OK. Who goes to the head of the class.

When you have everything you want, who needs liberating?

The fems got it all ass backwards as usual. They don’t know what they want (they will never have enough), they don’t know what they are doing, they don’t where they are going………..but they are at work doing it while destroying the lives of others.

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DCM December 8, 2013 at 16:47

“Dan the man December 8, 2013 at 09:16

@DCM History informs us that men in the fifties, had every reason to be paranoid. I sense that there is another reason you feel the way you do. Anyway, I am done with this subject. When I hear attacks on the fifties, I see a agenda that I dont agree with in any form or fashion.”

I don’t have an agenda in “attacking” the 50s. There were certainly some good things about them. I remember not being able to have many interests without being suspected of being a communist or a queer, however. I am white but I didn’t like seeing black people called or ever addressed as “nigger”, which was commonplace.
There’s no agenda in that, just what I remember.

Feminists are wrong about the era, as about everything. Women weren’t kept from getting jobs. My maternal grandmother would work at a local grocery store when she wanted and quite when she wanted. My mother and her sister became librarians and were such into the 70s and 80s. I remember girls working not just as carhops in drive in diners but in auto parts stores and hardware stores.
Females, in fact, were as pampered and privileged as today; to a great extent feminists are fighting against equal rights and the development of modern technology because they deprive females of excuses not to work and evade responsibility.
I also remember schools as supporting local and national values and TV doing the same.
One part of my outlook is having had asthma so bad I simply could not do any sports. I couldn’t run and breathe at the same time. Because of this I was accused of being queer, gays being thought to avoid sports, and having to develop other interests. What I got out of that was insight into nerds and minorities and the like. That view of the 50s is no less valid than people’s who had no such setbacks.

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Charles Martel December 8, 2013 at 22:41
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Diprotodon December 8, 2013 at 22:55

Why should a man be subject to the law if he is not himself to be protected by the law? Again here we see that any catering to thew dogged and squalid nature of femaleism ultimately leads to a violent, dissolute, chaotic and failed State.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2520410/Father-rights-Mother-stops-seeing-daughter-12-YEARS–despite-82-court-orders-demanding-down.html

Father with no rights: Mother stops him seeing his daughter for 12 YEARS despite 82 court orders demanding she back down … all whilst money is readily extracted by same said institutions for same said woman, as child support thefts.

The man has been refused access to his 14-year-old daughter for 12 YEARS: Yet every week we’re falsely told of grown women saved from enslavement and isolation from normal society in communes or homes, by same said Family Courts, Police, institutions and social charities.

None of the 82 orders that he be allowed to see girl have been enforced: except those pertaining to divorce monies, communal property, settlement alimony and child support transfers.

‘My relationship with my daughter is slipping away’, the man said: Yes like every other stooge in this damned system he is bad if he quietly goes away and also bad if he tries to remain involved.

BUT LETS NOT KID OURSELVES:
This is happening, not because of womens anti male prejudices but because of MALE harbored, MALE accepted, MALE staffed and MALE enforced anti male prejudices. The sooner the so called mens rights movement starts to seriously question the role of men themselves in institutional and cultural misandry the closer they will come to formulation solutions.

I blame every single professional or contractual male involved for the injury done to mens lowered status and lowered standing because … whereas a females vulpine mind, ever leads her to ask for more anti male tyranny, it is by mens actions and mens deeds that anti male tyranny manifests as real.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2520410/Father-rights-Mother-stops-seeing-daughter-12-YEARS–despite-82-court-orders-demanding-down.html

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andybob December 8, 2013 at 23:38

Dear Ms Bear,

I forgot to log-in, so I appeared as ‘Anonymous’ – but it was me who generously gave you the time of day, and offered some nourishing food for thought.

I wonder if you have even the vaguest idea how many women have wandered onto The Spearhead over the past few years, and behaved the way that you have just done. Almost without exception, they flounce off in a huff by the end of the first thread in which they exhibit the inexcusable bad taste of opening their big, fat gobs.

It always starts with: “Hey guys, lil ol’ me just dropped in to let you big, strapping, real men know that I totally support you, and think you’re totally awesome – so unlike those effeminate pretend men that surround me all day – eeeewww!! I have a vagina – aren’t I wonderful?”

Then, they inevitably make comments that reveal a complete lack of understanding and respect for men, and a propensity for assuming that they get to set all of the parameters of every discussion. It all starts to unravel when they take offence over some criticism – usually connected with being called on their gargantuan sense of entitlement.

This produces unseemly displays of teary tantrums, and, God forbid, shaming accustaions that ‘you’re no better than a feminist’. How could we be so beastly? Off she stomps, muttering something distictly unsupportive about ungrateful losers, declaring that she is taking her fabulous vagina elsewhere, never to return – so there.

Of course I got annoyed hearing some college-aged female coming onto a men’s website and pontificating about what masculinity should be, and how men today are letting you down. If that’s your idea of supporting men, all I can say is that we can live very happily without it.

Thank you for being so utterly typical,
Andybob

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gilgamesh December 8, 2013 at 23:39

@Charles Martel
According to a commenter at AVFM the police released a statement explicitly saying they refused to intervene because the attackers were women.

Unfortunately I can’t verify this and don’t know enough about argentina to say if it’s plausible.

Meanwhile, that spraypaint in your eyes has a chance of permanently blinding you. The police obviously made a conscious decision not to arrest those whore, I just don’t know if they released that statement

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gender foreigner December 9, 2013 at 03:35

Dear Charles Martel December 8, 2013 at 22:41:

Thanks for the video link.

In the Frauenreich of Women’s Canada about 15 to 17 years ago during the reign of the Jean Chretien Liberal Party, Canada’s then Minister Responsible for the Status of Women, Hedy Fry lied to Parliament in two clusters of lies.

Both times (about 2 years apart, she claimed that there were cross burnings in the province of British Columbia (implying that such had been committed by the proverbial white man). For the second cluster of lies, she even lied that the mayor of a B.C. city had given her a letter claiming that such had happened in his city. That mayor stated openly that he had written no such letter and that there had been no cross burnings in his city. And no one in the criminal Frauenreichstag of Women’s Canada called for the Minister’s resignation because she had lied (twice) (Parliament being women’s partner in formenting hate crimes against state-approved target groups, the foremost being, of course, the white man.)

Within several to many months following the second cluster of lies, a Government-of-Canada march of Seig-Heil Feminazi Gender Criminal brownskits exercised a hate march in women’s Montreal. The women chanted (I forgot the words exactly, but I do have the exact ones and sources for the book(s)), “No Religion, No Masters.”

While chanting, the ziggipoohs entered a Roman Catholic religious building, pushed over and/or hit at least one nun and then exited the building and administered a cross burning. Such was confirmed by various sources.

NO OBJECTION WAS STATED ON THE WEBSITE OF THAT MINISTER AND NO OBJECTION WAS STATED BY HER OR ANYONE ELSE IN PARLIAMENT. Qui tacet consenter videtor (spelling?) = “The one who is silent gives consent.”

In order for there to be a hole, there must be a donut. In order for there to be a silence, there must be a speaking. In the bad-faith disclosure pattern and bad-faith opposition (and support) pattern, thusly her Minister de jure (and, of course, de facto) gave consent for a cluster of hate crimes (against state-authorized hate targets).

Same old, same old and, of course, the feminazi… media do not report such as they all approve of the same authorized hate crimes….

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Mickey T December 9, 2013 at 08:52

“The fifties was a last gasp of sanity, from a long downward slide to present day madness”

I like that.

So they, unless I’m to blame as well being a child, were too lazy and hedonistic and stupid to stop the unstoppable.
It’s all because of numbers. It was then, and still is now. But now we have the internet.
If any man today who is aware of the current deplorable condition and places blame on the 50/60s while doing nothing but whine should be ashamed of himself. If he isn’t aware…………………..

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Mickey T December 9, 2013 at 09:33

Anonymous/andybob

You just say all those things because she is a smart young WOMAN and you are a misogynist to boot (misogynists are not to be believed or taken seriously, they have some sort of mental disorder).

She is probably regrouping as we speak and just about ready to let you have it. Better be prepared.

I’d say more like a banana nut muffin.

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Charles Martel December 9, 2013 at 10:32

OT: Beta male shopped to death by girlfriend.

A metaphor of sorts for consumer culture, Western and Chinese alike.

I once asked a woman I know who lives in Italy why the Italian birth rate is so low.

Her response: “Children are expensive.” She then went on to explain how “everyone” wants the cars, the clothes, the shoes, the designer bags.

I am not religious but I sometimes feel I am watching the unfolding of some epic biblical catastrophe.

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Charles Martel December 9, 2013 at 10:52

gilgamesh
According to a commenter at AVFM the police released a statement explicitly saying they refused to intervene because the attackers were women.

Proof that (in Argentina) women are held to a different legal standard.

The police do nothing as women commit countless aggravated assaults and batteries right in front of them.

I’m shocked at times how much I’ve come to despise women as a group. I make exceptions for immediate family….so far anyway.

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bear December 9, 2013 at 11:17

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Norm December 9, 2013 at 11:28

Gender Foreigner, I remember that. The CBC and other networks were quiet on that feminist march in Montreal. They still talk about phoney global warming and arctic ice melting. But only in the summer when it warms up. No wonder it’s called the dinosaur media.

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Dan the man December 9, 2013 at 11:30

@DCM Good comment. Though I dont think children Bully others less today. In the 70s when I was in High School in Dallas, the Blacks were the worst offenders.

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DCM December 9, 2013 at 11:40

“Diprotodon December 8, 2013 at 22:55 ”

The reason the courts appear to be men oppressing men and only that is that most lawyers and judges are men.
What’s going on is that judges — who are lawyers — give females everything they demand and don’t enforce any decisions against them in order to encourage them to divorce. The more divorces there are the more money lawyers make.
The natural female inclination is to live lives of utter sloth and indulgence, and the court system enforces this as a reward for divorcing. After all, the victimized men will pay the costs, or else.

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Sven December 9, 2013 at 12:10

I am posting this here as there is a problem with the contact function at the top of the website:

Hi, I donated $10 on Friday as I read a post on the subreddit /r/theredpill saying those who donated to this website would be emailed a copy of The ‘Thumotic Lifestyle Guide’ by the author of this blog:

http://www.thumotic.com/

I still have not received my copy of the book and the user who created the post has now deleted it and has not responed to my message inquiring about the book:

http://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1s6ora/gratitude/

Do you know anything about this?

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W.F. Price December 9, 2013 at 12:32

I am posting this here as there is a problem with the contact function at the top of the website:

Hi, I donated $10 on Friday as I read a post on the subreddit /r/theredpill saying those who donated to this website would be emailed a copy of The ‘Thumotic Lifestyle Guide’ by the author of this blog:

http://www.thumotic.com/

I still have not received my copy of the book and the user who created the post has now deleted it and has not responed to my message inquiring about the book:

http://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1s6ora/gratitude/

Do you know anything about this?

-Sven

Hi Sven, I don’t know anything about that — I didn’t post that on Reddit, nor have I seen it. Try contacting me again at: editor at the-spearhead dot com and we can clear it up.

Towgunner December 9, 2013 at 15:36

Hmmm, the ole “50′s”, eh.

K, both my grandparents worked and so did their brother and sister (in law respectively). ??? I never once heard my Grandmother or Great Aunt say they were “held back” or “oppressed”? Rather they were extremely grateful for everything they had. This cage of oppression so often referred to in feminism i.e. the home or the dreaded “kitchen”…ahem, in the 50′s was not a place for bare foot women or anyone with bare feet. This “cage” was the highest form of living in the entire world at that time, full of modern conveniences plus running water, shelter, heat and electricity. Relative to the 40′s and all times before that, housemaking was incrementally more physical and backbreaking, as was much of human labor. Also, go look up some late 1800s art, try the Impressionist…look close, because you’ll see fully (gasp hate to use this non-word) “gender” integrated work forces. That’s right, everyone working away in suffocating cotton mills etc. It wasn’t until sufficient economic and technological progress occurred that one part of the family was liberated from the necessity to work and to therefore concentrate on what matters, which for many included the obvious; rearing your genetic strain or relative copies of yourself and your spouse. Point is that at that time the 1950s was a huge step-up for women in all measures of quality of life. Oh, and it was also a huge step-up in the quality of life for men and all people.

Enter the gramician school of communist malcontents who expedited the “long march”, which helped turn the primary benefactors (baby boomers) of the most comfortable existence in all of human history against their providers (the Greatest Generation)…that’s the real story of the 50′s, and it ain’t pretty.

Oh, and as it applies to women it was the counter culture that insisted that women go right back to the very place that they were previously liberated from – the workplace.

Gents, no time is perfect, whereas feminists say they were oppressed by a social system, today men are oppressed by those same feminist at the hands of the government. So, pick your poison. All in the 50′s were pretty darn good. Hey, back then you knew you were going to do better than the previous generation. Today, we’re the first to regress in our standard of living. And they call it “progress”.

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Mickey T December 9, 2013 at 16:10

“the ole 50s…………that dreaded kitchen”

Right-char, Towgunner.

Hate to keep sounding as if I’m bragging about my family (again), but why not? People who wish make judgments should gather as much information of what they judge before hand.

My mother chose the kids and the kitchen over a man with money.

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Mickey T December 9, 2013 at 16:29

Oh, she used to sing and whistle as she was cooking. Pretty good singer and pretty good cook for being oppressed. Maybe they were protest songs and I was too young to understand them.
A lot of people used to come over to visit and/or eat. I don’t remember anyone ever using the word “oppressed”. But I was a kid, I could have missed it. I know I messed up the middle paragraph in that last comment.

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Anon66 December 9, 2013 at 16:35

The way to satisfy both those who want a return to patriarchy and those who do not want the responsibility of being a sole provider is simple – freedom.
Most of us recognize it is the State’s forced redistribution from men to women that allow women to behave as they are now. Sans the State and mass immigration patriarchy would return in the West. This is how we evolved. For those men and women who do not want such a relationship simply don’t. Most women would choose patriarchy over trying to make it on their own.

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Dan the man December 9, 2013 at 16:51

@Towgunner Very good, what I would write, if had the ability.

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Mickey T December 9, 2013 at 18:17

Ms bear re: 12/09/2013-11:17

I think almost everybody here wants to give you a fair chance. So many even up-voted your comments. But, I don’t think you are helping yourself.
Isn’t it feminists,who after being treated more than generously………. eventually become self-destructive?

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Mickey T December 9, 2013 at 19:06

So, Ms bear, if you are sincere about your claim of concern for men and are capable of contributing to their “cause”, you will give an intelligent and logical counter point to the items, regarding your assertions, stated by anonbob, not almost silly, irrelevant and meaningless remarks. If you can’t or won’t do that, IMHO and it’s not for me to say, maybe you don’t belong here spreading your good will from the “opposition”.

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DK December 9, 2013 at 21:08

The feminist construct of history as a patriarchy that oppresses women, especially the 50′s, constitutes the worst scholarship I have ever come across. It is full of historical inaccuracies and gross distortions of that history; all to further a selfish, vindictive and hateful intellect.

If you look at history through the ‘lens’ of today’s world, you will get a distorted image of the past you are focusing your attention on. It’s called cronocentrism. That term is (or should be) well known at any college or university. Why these intellectual larcenists are allowed to publish and teach with impunity is a mystery to me. As Camille Paglia has said “…The humanities are in ruin”. She couldn’t be more truthful.

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lurker December 9, 2013 at 23:13

“A metaphor of sorts for consumer culture, Western and Chinese alike.

I once asked a woman I know who lives in Italy why the Italian birth rate is so low.

Her response: “Children are expensive.” She then went on to explain how “everyone” wants the cars, the clothes, the shoes, the designer bags.

I am not religious but I sometimes feel I am watching the unfolding of some epic biblical catastrophe.”

As it been pointed out, women are hypergamous so it shouldn’t be a surprised that crave everything that gives the illusion of wealth.

About the failing birthrate in first world nations, it’s falling because people believe that child should have the best life. They want to give their kids all the tools and resources to go to elite colleges. Not so that children could have the best education, but so that they could brag that their child is smart enough to. They also want to make sure that their little spawn also has the most fashionable clothes and coolest toys. Basically most people want their kids to be a better version of them. So ofcourse the birthrate is going to go down when you think that a child is entitled to extravagant lifestyle.

Third worlders breed for extra hands, first worlders breed to show off.

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andybob December 9, 2013 at 23:56

Don’t waste your breath, Mr Mickey T. Ms Bear is currently incommunicado – face down on her Hello Kitty pillow in floods. She will never appreciate the delicious irony of coming onto a men’s website, and accusing the first man who disagreed with her of being a misogynist.

I wonder who may be desperado enough to don their jousting utensils and white-knight for the little lady with the c.a.t. (college aged tits) and defend her right to impose her definition of masculinity onto mankind. And then scold me for being mean, unfair – and a fag.

I am never unfair. This is why I took Ms Bear’s ignorance and immaturity into consideration and gave her an opportunity to apologize for being arrogant, foolish and presumptuous – an opportunity, ungrateful baggage that she is, she has hitherto elected to squander.

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gilgamesh December 10, 2013 at 01:57

We should just ban women on sight, they always turn out to be full of hot air in the end, even if they seem trustworthy at first.

Even if they pretend to be men you can always tell they’re women.

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DCM December 10, 2013 at 03:44

“DK December 9, 2013 at 21:08

The feminist construct of history as a patriarchy that oppresses women, especially the 50′s, constitutes the worst scholarship I have ever come across. It is full of historical inaccuracies and gross distortions of that history; all to further a selfish, vindictive and hateful intellect.
…….”

Each generation of feminists claims the patriarchy ended recently due to their own efforts. We hear little about Rosie the Riveter now because WWII is so remote that it has fallen into the Patriarchal Era that was vanquished only at the end of the 90s, not the 60s/70s as was claimed in the 80s/90s.

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Mickey T December 10, 2013 at 06:32

So, Ms bear picked up her marbles and went home, did she?
She comes on to this men’s group expecting special treatment and when anonbob calls her on it she gets flustered and becomes the victim.
No need to wonder how many up-votes her first comment would brought had a man’s name been on it. She knows that men hold women to a lower standard than themselves. That’s the first thing a female learns and to use it to the fullest.

She insults and manipulates us to satisfy her ego and need to belittle men in order to elevate herself and her gender. She’s just another selfish cu**, only she gets right into our faces and mocks us. as she accustomed to doing to men

In sales we to say: dazzle them with bullshit.

Ignorance and immaturity are second to manipulative in a most ruthless way. No, she doesn’t help us, she uses us.

Ciao, banana-nut muffin

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Mickey T December 10, 2013 at 07:08

Oh, using men who are fighting for their lives and often the lives of their children is OK if it fits your agenda. It’s hardly noticeable, if at all.

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Aharon December 10, 2013 at 08:06

Gentlemen, I need to let you know about this experience I had on Sunday.

I went to the home of a newly acquainted woman friend to discuss something going on in my life. I was not looking for advice; just a woman friend who I could open up to about an issue that is bothering me.

She is a fifty-year-old Jewish woman (let’s call her Ms. Psycho) and yes I knew she was a bit kooky. She went ballistic at me when I informed her I would choose my own Jewish spiritual path and course of religious studies and not do what she kept telling me I should do. She ordered me out of her house and calling me an azz-hole for choosing to study under two local respected male orthodox rabbis (she called them bums) and for taking their advice and declining her advice and teachings from someone such as herself who she claims is a far greater spiritual teacher. Nag nag nag. As I walked out, I said to her that there is a good reason she was still single and unable to find a husband (I’ve wanted to use that line on a crazy entitled woman for years). I could still hear her screeching at me as I walked away down the street. She lives in a very orthodox neighborhood in Queens NY and I hope the neighbors heard her screeching :)

I am grateful that the two homeowners (husband and wife), of the home she sublets from, were home at the time. Otherwise, I can imagine the possible false accusations Ms. Psycho might have filed against me.

Thankfully she has never had kids and won’t be polluting the human gene pool with her off-spring.

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Ironthumb December 10, 2013 at 11:37

Does’t war and death just bring out the best in relationships in general?

The only way to make things right again is to have another war…well that’s one of the easiest ways to do so at least

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Mickey T December 10, 2013 at 16:15

“just a woman friend who I could open up to about an issue that was bothering me.”

To begin with, something’s not kosher right there, Aharon.

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Mickey T December 10, 2013 at 17:41

giglamesh says:
We should just ban women on sight,

Noooooooooooooooo It would be a GREAT disservice to the men. Those younger men who have not very much experience with women can learn what to look out for etc.
Case in point:
Banana-nut muffin had a lot of guys bs’d until some older men (partial credit) exposed her for what she really is.
It’s better to learn here (if possible) than the other way. It’s a wonderful learning tool.

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Aharon December 10, 2013 at 19:27

Mickey T.

LMAO. Great reply comment. Thanks.

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Dire Badger December 10, 2013 at 19:47

Seriously, Aharon, talking to a woman is like talking to to a wolverine. They never understand you, and are only looking for an excuse to rip your hand off.

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gilgamesh December 10, 2013 at 21:46

“Does’t war and death just bring out the best in relationships in general?

The only way to make things right again is to have another war…well that’s one of the easiest ways to do so at least”

We’ve got 2 right now and all I hear from women is that we should go to war against every country that “doesn’t know how to treat its women.”

We should have a war on women instead.

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Aharon December 11, 2013 at 05:38

Dire Bager,

True. Wolverine is a very good metaphor for at least most modern women who are “victims” of the feminist pandemic mental poisoning. can’t say I feel much pity on those victims due to the way they behave. Anyways, the woman I’ve written about is a surface level person: on the surface she practices the orthodox way, studied Judaism for years, speaks Hebrew, lived in Israel, and keeps Kosher, etc. Yet, underneath the surface she lacks spirituality and emotional maturity. In her case, the expression “you can put lipstick on a pig yet it is still a pig” is really fitting.

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gender foreigner December 11, 2013 at 06:25

Dear gilgamesh December 10, 2013 at 21:46:

Yes, for sure. In particular, we should insist a war on women’s Argentina (as per the women committing the religious hate crime against men–with the women’s police of the women’s state complicitly standing by just like Nazi Germany–and the Ku Klux Klan…).

Women’s Argentina doesn’t know how to protect its men. Neither does it know how to hold accountable its women. Conscript women into women-only units and order them to charge the beaches, the landing fields and the seas, etc. in order to save the men from the women and their yet-another criminal women’s state….

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Mickey T December 11, 2013 at 08:45

“We should have a war women instead”

Did you we can, gilgamesh? And it can bring more positive results than you might believe. It will require only a moderate amount of stress, some of your time and whatever money you can afford and there will be no casualties. Our goals are realistic. Our objective is control of the ballot box.
.

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kuis December 11, 2013 at 10:05

About the failing birthrate in first world nations, it’s falling because people believe that child should have the best life.’

That could be one reason, but in many first world countries it is the result of a sluggish economy preventing family formation, especially in southern Europe.

Another reason is because parents don’t want to reduce their consumption, so having less kids is a way of avoiding having ‘less’.

Feminists always represent the past in a cartoon like way. They can’t help themselves. and they have to present it that way to breed resentment, which makes it easier to rally the troops. If they claimed that middle class women were doing ok in the 50s but working class women were not, that would perhaps be a more ‘truthful’ statement, but it isn’t going to be nearly as inflammatory and thus serves no genuine purpose to feminists, especially career feminists.

It is amazing how much simplistic garbage is passed off under the name of feminism and equality that isn’t heavily scrutinised. Feminism is a closed shop. There is little room for conflict or dissent outside the ranks. With that in mind, it is laughable how online feminists prattle on about their ideas being ‘peer reviewed’ as if that actually means anything. The articles are reviewed by other feminists. Impartiality doesn’t even enter into it.

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Rotten December 11, 2013 at 10:53

The 1950s were odd, and their culture a product of WW2.

Most of the men shipped overseas were aged 18-25, about 40% of all men in this age range. Many of them died, and multiples of the dead came back seriously injured or with “shellshock,” which we understand is brain dysfunction.

This changed dating for women. On the one hand, the returning men are killers, more alpha, but on the other hand the women outnumber the men by 20-40%. The pill isn’t around yet either so soft harems are not an option, and the morals of the day are such than when a man is taken he’s off the market.

It’s easy to see women desperately trying to out feminine each other in these conditions. The winners get alphas, the losers become spinsters and there are enough loser that women who snag a beta are grateful to the man for the rest of their lives. It’s easy to predict the baby boom that followed.

Side note: contrary to modern propaganda, women reported greater happiness back then and mairrages lasted, even though these mairrages were around when Mairrage destroying reforms were added.

WW2 created a temporary dating anomaly and the 1950s were a fluke. That beta men reproduced in great numbers and had happy mairrages grated on the next generation, which turned to feminism.

Men should look to earlier ages for inspiration, the 1880s-1900s for example. OFC, even then mairrages were deteriorating thanks to Mairrage reform laws signed by Lincoln. Maybe the laws as the existed in the 1810s is a great goal to shoot for. If it was good enough to build the country, free the slaves, make the #1 economy in the world, settle the Wild West, defeat the Indians, and become a world power, then it’s good enough for today.

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Mickey T December 11, 2013 at 11:31

Off Topic-

Somewhere in a Colorodo school district a six year old boy was suspended from school for sexual harassment for kissing a female classmate on the cheek. It seems the “kiss” violated the school’s sexual harassment policies.

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Mickey T December 11, 2013 at 11:41

Bill, any age requirements for joining The Spearhead?

He’d probably be better than banana-nut muffin (aka bear)

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gender foreigner December 11, 2013 at 15:58

Dear Mickey T December 11, 2013 at 11:31:

Ya, I remember reading about that kind of thing in Christina Hoff Sommers’ book, The War Against Boys.

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Mickey T December 11, 2013 at 18:40

I think the beginning of the end happened in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. It was the first convention devoted to women’s rights in the western world. It later evolved into woman’s suffrage which gave women the right to vote in 1920. Until the mid-late 60s only a fraction of women actually voted. With a feminist driven sudden spike in female participation in the political world, it changed the dynamics of the American culture radically.

The 1950s was the last decade before the “revolution” where most women were still voluntarily leaving the “politics to men”. It was part of an unstoppable machine and sandwiched in between WWII and the indoctrination of the new Lefttist- Feminist mindset. It had to have a character of it’s own. It was the calm before the storm.

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gilgamesh December 11, 2013 at 22:20

What would be the most kid-friendly way to make boys aware of the problems they will face in school? What can we tell so that they will keep their heads up when some deranged lesbo teacher is yelling at them for having a pulse?

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jay December 12, 2013 at 01:19

We should look back before the 12th century before the advent of even chivalric love. And when the culture took a gynocentric turn. Hence why more recent traditionalism utterly failed before feminism. Considering the society is already gynocentric and traditionalism therefore is also gynocentric.

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Mickey T December 12, 2013 at 06:16

“you can put lipstick on a pig yet it is still a pig”

A woman is a woman before she is anything else. That includes everything. It is the nature of the human female and cannot be changed.

Remember that, when you choose a doctor, when you vote …………………when you choose a rabbi.

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keyster December 12, 2013 at 08:20

Somewhere in a Colorodo school district a six year old boy was suspended from school for sexual harassment for kissing a female classmate on the cheek. It seems the “kiss” violated the school’s sexual harassment policies.

This “no tolerance” policy towards sexual harrasement is the result of the “Dear Collegue” letter sent out from Obama’s Dept of Ed a few years ago. It was added to Title IX as a “significant guidance document”. Basically if you’re caught not enforcing sexual harrasement you’re under threat of losing federal funding, so school districts are fairly paranoid about it.

This harkens to the feminist “rape culture” of “teaching boys not to rape” at an early age. The little girl was being sexually harrassed but just didn’t know it. Now she does I suppose. It was determined that she was “meant to feel uncomfortable and/or unsafe in an educational environment”.

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Mickey T December 12, 2013 at 09:38

Dear Collegue…….Obama……TitleIX

Good information.
This boy didn’t know what sex is until this feminist madness overcame him.
I understand that many sexual problems (sexual crimes) later in life stem from being exposed to sex too early in childhood. These women may have CAUSED sex crimes. Then, potentially in a case as this one, if some kind of crime is committed the man gets blamed for being a no good pervert.

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Alcestis Eshtemoa December 12, 2013 at 11:13

Breaking news:

6 year old boy has been accused of sexual harassment –> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2521502/Six-year-old-boy-accused-sexual-harassment-suspended-school-kissing-girl-cheek.html

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Opus December 12, 2013 at 14:29

The Sixties began in 1963
Between Lady Chatterley
and The Beatles second L.P.

Profumo, Ivanov, Ward, Lord Astor, Keeler and Mandy Rice (‘Well he would say that wouldn’t he’) Rackman, Reggie and Ronnie, Boothby and Mrs Supermac and Valerie Hobson.

What they want you to believe is that whilst shagging Keeler in the flat she shared with osteopath and society portrait painter Ward, Profumo (Minister for War) reveals the position of British troops – say Norway – then she, a girl who left school at fifteen shags Ivanov and repeats this to him. He reports back to Moscow and they believe him, and as a result the West loses WW3. ROFL

You can tell I have been to the new Lloyd-Webber musical. Mrs Profumo (Hobson) is stoic just as she is in all those movies in which she starred opposite Stewart Granger, Mandy Rice is as hot as she was fifty years ago such that you cannot tell the difference between her and the young actress straight out of Drama school portraying her, Ward goes from being a scapegoat to a tragic and wronged figure, and I once represented Keeler’s son. There is a new song – Super Duper Hula Hooper, the first Twist to be written since 1963; the others I seem to have heard somewhere before. What the young audience and the Americans therein made of it I cannot imagine.

Swinging London begins in 1964

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keyster December 12, 2013 at 14:39

This boy didn’t know what sex is until this feminist madness overcame him.

Now that his “girlfriend”, otherwise known as “the victim” in this case, was told that the boy’s attention was wrong, she was quoted by her mother as saying “KNOCK IT OFF!”. She’s discovering her special empowerment/entitlement under the State early, sweet little thing.

The erstwhile MHRA (some of whom supported Obama) claims to be apolitical, but politics matters. There’s no way in Hell this kind of extortion and ignoring the Constitution (habeus corpus, equal protection) in the interest of protecting female students at the expense of males, would have been tolerated under a Republican administration.

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Mickey T December 12, 2013 at 17:01

I could be wrong, but it looks like keyster got some down-votes because he accurately said something favorable about the Republicans.

If these sleepy guys don’t wake up soon they are going to be entertaining the likes of Gloria Stienam in gladiator garb at the Feminist Coliseum The lions might find them tasty as well.

Wake up fellas, the hour is late!

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Mickey T December 12, 2013 at 18:01

Off Topic-
A 30 year old former Florida Teacher of the Year was sentenced 38 years today for having sex with her 12 year old male student. Among many other sexual activities, she had oral sex with him at her home while tutoring him in math.
She has a young child and used the need for her to care for that child in an attempt to receive leniency from the court. She said: “I’m a mother not a monster” The judge didn’t buy it.

Let’s see what happens.

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Migu December 12, 2013 at 18:05

Sure Keyster.

I went to school under a republican administration. It was tolerated and encouraged. RepubliCONS and DemocRATS

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Attila December 12, 2013 at 21:31

Turkey is moving up! —- while maintaining family values:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z8v4V9YUNM

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Boomers December 12, 2013 at 22:29

Well, here I am, ~50yrs into that bright future we were all but promised, and I’ve gotta say..

Yes, people were always talking about the future and a lot of it has occurred just not as fast and not in the ways foreseen. There were also things that weren’t foreseen, like a loss of some manufacturing, masses of people invading the country, and cities going downhill like Detroit.
The vision of the future was nice modern clean cities with technology doing most of the work. But in the 50′s pollution, smog etc were big problems and it had to be cleaned up and this took awhile. Many rivers were polluted from industrial waste and untreated sewerage and it was really only in the 90′s that the Hudson was back to normal and is as clear as when people first lived there. This river caught on fire 13x it was so bad, as recently as 1969.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River#Environmental_concerns

@Mickey
Until the mid-late 60s only a fraction of women actually voted.

That’s not true but since women voted generally like their husbands or fathers if they were unmarried it didn’t matter. It was more votes but the proportions of who they voted for were the same.They followed the Patriarch. Today there is no Patriarch and 1/2 the females are divorced or are “single mothers”. When there is no Patriarch around to keep the females stable they become insecure and nervous and look to the government to protect them. The democrats appear to be doing this. Both parties really doing it but the democrats are better at promoting the welfare state.

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Boomers December 12, 2013 at 22:51

I once asked a woman I know who lives in Italy why the Italian birth rate is so low.

It’s always been on the low side even in ancient Rome. It was always just the peasants of the deep south who ever produced any number of kids. Many would leave this backward area and go north for jobs.
Ever see the film Rocco and His Brothers?

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Mickey T December 13, 2013 at 08:03

If “RepubliCONs and DemocRATS” got ONE up-vote there would be need for concern.

I think we should change our strategy:

1) Is there anybody here who is not aware of the fact that almost all of our troubles come from the countless and draconian anti male-pro female laws which we now live under? And that unfortunately, Bill is an example of too many American men?

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Mickey T December 13, 2013 at 08:12

Should have added “basically because of those laws”

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Mickey T December 13, 2013 at 17:15

“When there was no Patriarch around to keep the females stable they became insecure and nervous…..”

I see a different world, Boomers.
I’ve almost never seen a woman as such, let alone any meaningful numbers. The things women did was based on their pursuit of self fulfillment and superiority and complete domination of men, while still expecting to receive the benefits men have always given them. It worked in every which way.
I’ve never seen the women loose any significant amount of confidence along the road of achieving their goals, because they knew regardless of what they do (succeed or fail) they always had the men to fall back on. Women have ALWAYS known that they can rely on men to put them first in all ways. It’s the first thing a female learns, how to make a living off men. It just comes natural.

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Mickey T December 13, 2013 at 17:35

Women had the attitude that if they fail, men will be their knights in shining armor and rescue the damsels in distress. The men will go on an ego trip and make them feel macho. It will make them feel good and all is well.. But if they win, THEY WIN. Either way, there were no risks because they know the nature of men and will always allow them to use it to the fullest and beyond.

Insecure and nervous I see very little of.

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gilgamesh December 13, 2013 at 19:53

“1) Is there anybody here who is not aware of the fact that almost all of our troubles come from the countless and draconian anti male-pro female laws which we now live under? And that unfortunately, Bill is an example of too many American men?”

Yeah, the women.

Actually, I did learn a lot from reading this site over the years. Helped me give up egalitarianism.

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lurker December 13, 2013 at 20:48

Guys, have you ever tought that maybe that the civilization near really benefited the common man in any way? Just a thought. In any era, the common men was always regarded as a disposable pawn.

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John December 14, 2013 at 07:07

Good sir, I would suggest that what we have ended up with is life imitating “art”, as what appears on the screen (be it great or small) does not necessarily reflect what is actually happening at the moment, but, rather, what those who have chosen to create and present a certain imagery depicting what they wish or plan to happen.

Steven Spielberg once stated, “Film is the greatest weapon ever devised”, so let us consider the following quote from a book written in 1989 by Neal Gabler, titled “An Empire of Their Own – How the Jews Invented Hollywood” (Note that the author Gabler himself is Jewish, so let us leave the anti-semitism pejorative on the sideline as we peruse his words).

” The paradox is that the American film industry was founded and for more than thirty years operated by Eastern European Jews who themselves seemed to be anything but the quintessence of America.” (page 1)
“Within the studios and on the screen, the Jews could simply create a new country and empire of their own, so to speak, where they would not only be admitted but would govern as well … They would create its values and myths, its traditions and its archetypes.” (pages 5,6)

Would we have had the launch of “Second-Wave Feminism” in the 1950′s without the writings of Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem and such philosophy reinforced by what appeared on the screen? As both movies and the offerings on television became more debased and radicalized, so did the society, and it was not merely by accident. It was the result of a weapon at work, a weapon that for some time did indeed meet resistance from the Christian Church communities as well as in government.

Unfortunately “The Force” of evil prevailed against righteousness and by the time the 1970′s rolled around we had already been subjected to “The Graduate” (Biologically, how did a “Nice Jewish Boy” like Dustin Hoffman come from such WASPY parents?) and its message that the typical housewife seducing young high school-age boys was somewhat common and on its heels came vile trash lauded in Hollywood such as “Midnight Cowboy” and that quickly followed by more garbage such as “Dog Day Afternoon.” Sex, deviant sex, and more even more deviant sex with doses of the requisite violence mixed in, all soon become “normalized.” Hollywood created both the genie and the bottle, and then opened up the horror they created on a dumbfounded society that became permanently changed for the worse from the exposure to it. Life indeed began to imitate “art” and you can see it on the silver screen.

I was born in the early 1950′s and to be blunt, “Father Knows Best” and “Leave it to Beaver” was in truth a pretty darned accurate reflection of the majority of what was then America. And note this – back then women smiled a lot in spite of what today’s harridans claim. Walking down the aisles (wearing nice dresses) in the supermarkets with kids in tow, they would stop and chat with friends and neighbors and there was an emanation of gentle pleasantness all around. By 1970 that was all being “programmed” away …

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Mickey T December 15, 2013 at 16:53

@ John

I was born in 1946 and I must remark your perception of “Father Knows Best” and Leave it to Beaver”

I must have missed the part where Mrs Anderson and Mrs Cleaver told their husbands “if you don’t give me what I want today, I won’t give you what you want tonight”. Maybe their sweet smile was disarming to many. Women were always masters of deceit, you know. They must have done some messin-around with all those kids.

I’m pointing out the more relevant sex aspects of the 1950s male/female relationships that Feminists always seem to omit PERIOD. I did say mutual respect ran high

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Vektor December 15, 2013 at 19:49

Good stuff. Lotsa good stuff in the archives too.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/05/07/were-the-1950s-so-bad/

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Aharon December 16, 2013 at 04:51

John,

Regardless if the author of a book is ‘Jewish’ by birth does not indicate if the person is not an anti-religious/anti-culturally identifying Jew. There are plenty of self-hating secular Jews. There are also some secular Jewish authors who are honest, objective, and concerned first and foremost with the truth as they see it not caring who they discuss it with.

True, there was a strong Jewish presence in Hollywood (along with the presence of others too who were not Jewish). Jewish overall influence in Hollywood began probably declining in the later 1960s/ early 1970s. Since then, the ones who (from observation) seem to have increasing influence in Hollywood are the forces that are progressive ie pro-homosexual, pro-feminist, pro-politically correct, anti-white heteromale, pro-minority, etc. Some of those in that league are modern secular progressive Jews and some are not. It was during the 1960s/1970s that the overall quality and decency of Hollywood began declining as did the heavy Jewish influence in the industry.

Entertainment and film are very effective tools of propaganda and persuasion in America since culturally Americans actively seek out their so-called entertaining value.

Secular progressive Jews are socially and politically involved in Hollywood as they are with the feminist movement. Other people who are not Jewish have been in the past and are also currently involved. Don’t overdo the Jewish bit.

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keyster December 16, 2013 at 11:46

Camille Paglia like only she can:

http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/16/its-a-mans-world-and-it-always-will-be/print/

Imagine if a man had said this.

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keyster December 16, 2013 at 11:51

Would we have had the launch of “Second-Wave Feminism” in the 1950′s without the writings of Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem and such philosophy reinforced by what appeared on the screen? As both movies and the offerings on television became more debased and radicalized, so did the society, and it was not merely by accident. It was the result of a weapon at work, a weapon that for some time did indeed meet resistance from the Christian Church communities as well as in government.

While Marcuse was busy tranforming academia into Marxist indocrination centers, Fromm was out in Hollywood kicking off the propaganda campaign. Decimate “The Establishment” through Critical Theory and leave in it’s wake – what we have today; a generation of socialist ideologists throughout our education system and media.

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Towgunner December 16, 2013 at 12:26

@ Keyster and John:

The role of the media and the rise of feminism and, as it follows, the relationship of the media to feminism is so important to understand, literally words cannot emphasize this enough. Consider this; does it surprise you that Budweiser the most popular beer in the US (and the world too) when there are countless other brands competitive or equal in price plus far superior in selection and, importantly, taste? How can this be? Would you be equally surprised to hear that in order to obtain that status Bud isn’t really a beer company per se, instead, it’s more of a marketing company. You see, crafting the right PR image, message and overall strategy plus saturating market(s) can take a sh*tty beer like bud and make it the #1 beer in the world. So, if “they” can do that with a substandard product then you might start understanding the true dynamics of men, women and feminism. I say this is probably the #1 issue for men in the MW to understand, especially, since today’s media is so darn ubiquitous. But there is good news here, Bud remains a sh*tty beer no matter how much marketing or PR, likewise, feminism remains a sh*tty ideology. Moreover, billion dollar balance sheets (for Bud and femo Inc) notwithstanding, take this lever away and what do you have? Easy – you have sh*t. I’ve always maintained that feminism is built on a weak foundation, after all, the media is the business of illusion as such feminism is an illusion too. Stand a man next to a woman, even open them up and dissect them and the evidence is as clear as day…men and women are DIFFERENT. So, how can the masses be persuaded that this is not true, to deny their own eyes…think Budweiser and the answer is smack-face obvious.

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Dire Badger December 16, 2013 at 15:19

ahh, but see, Towgunner, That’s where you have also just unplugged the boy’s finger from the dyke.

Mass Media is changing. The Internet is becoming the frontrunner in the information and propaganda wars, and unlike Hollywood and the networks, it is all too easy for individuals to leave the path paved with good intentions and seek out reality. They might find opposing propaganda, they might find reinforcement, or they might find the truth… the sheer pervasiveness of information both truthful and false forces men to start to look within for definitions of what they find to be true… and to stop trusting the education and mass media indoctrination that is rapidly losing it’s validity.

That’s why when people start screaming that men should DO something, They do not fully understand that we ALREADY ARE. Each voice that adds to the flood of information, that counters the hyperpopular dialogue of lies, brings more and more men who understand that there is something WRONG in the world. A far, far higher percentage of the male population today is taking action, whether that action is protest, blogging, opting out, or getting violent… and that is precisely and directly the responsibility of the male information empowerment inherent in the internet. If some public figure says something that disagrees with your reality, you no longer have to ignore it for the public good… you can research their words and have the information they are speaking about at your fingertips… People know when Obama, Pelosi, or Holder are lying within SECONDS of words slipping past their lips, and within minutes a good portion of the population knows exactly how, and where, dishonesty was spread.

A groundswell of dissatisfaction is growing, and has been for the last ten years… I predict that it will break, and wreck the ‘traditional’ route of mass media lies and deceit that american politics has been relying on for far too long… the tide is eating the supports out from under the socialist establishment, and it is our job to call attention and discuss each and every deceitful ‘patch’ the victim politics apologists and social power brokers attempt to apply, battering them to pieces visibly and publicly.

Information is the greatest and strongest weapon against Tyranny, and it is growing more powerful each passing day.

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Mickey T December 16, 2013 at 15:21

” I was born in the early 50s, and to be blunt Father Knows Best and Leave it to Beaver was in truth was a pretty darn accurate reflection of the majority………”

I agree, but women were always women, are now and will always be women and almost all were/are prostitutes (damn few aren’t). The only difference between then and now is they are out of control now and their true nature is showing. Back then they were polite, respectful and took responsibility. We know in all probability that Mrs Anderson and Mrs Cleaver told their husbands “if you don’t give me what I want to day, I won’t give you what you want tonight”. But it was OK in that culture. The feminists have never acknowledged, and won’t, the existence of the sexual power of women then, but they sure as hell still use it today, in spite of their “equality”. I don’t have to go into in detail, that this deception is destructive to younger men today.

Don’t get me wrong (dread), I will take the women of the fifties everyday. I married one and after I became widowed, I kept company with women only of that mindset. I wouldn’t go near a woman of today’s behavior, and there are many even my age, there are plenty of female scu*bags in my age bracket. But since there a lot more of them now it’s tough sh** for them

If one absolutely must find a group who was oppressed then, it would be the men.

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daxamite December 16, 2013 at 18:35

OMG, Towgunner. This couldn’t be more to the point. I have sat on this for over aweek because I was in a rage. Too much rage to write about it.

One angry HULK !!!

This alone has turned me from passive non-cooperation to active ‘freedom fighter’.
“War on women?” Yeah, hell yeah. Count me in!!!
God help you if it makes you as angry as it has made me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOjNcZvwjxI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Can’t speak. Too too angry!!!

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Dan the man December 17, 2013 at 10:17

@Towgunner My Uncle Jorge used to joke, that he only liked two kinds of beer, Budweiser and free. It is pretty foul stuff.

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Norm December 17, 2013 at 14:10

Nice post Towgunner about Budweiser beer. IMO it isn’t a good tasting beer. Neither is Corona. In Mexico it is considered a Gringo beer. I even asked Mexicans if this is true and they all said it was. Mostly tourists drink it in Mexico. It it similar to the Canadian equivalent Lucky Lager.

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Mickey T December 17, 2013 at 15:58

The Bud beer is analogy is somewhat relevant, so let’s just hope Anhauser Busch doesn’t organize and take control of a major political party to implement legislation mandating the consumption of the product.

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bear December 17, 2013 at 22:15

MickeyT, Andybob –

I will attempt to respond to the substantive criticisms of my first comment as laid out by Andybob. There may be criticisms from others throughout the comments but I have not seen them yet. My responses are in brackets.

“Meanwhile, there are some of us who do see value in masculinity and femininity, in and emotional resources among men and women, who value children, family, and stability.” Ms Bear

Stability for whom – you? There is no stability for men when it comes to any relationships with women. Marriage, de-facto, dating – even professional relationships – all present massive dangers and risks for men. Surely you must have noticed. [I have indeed noticed these things. I also never specified what I meant by stability. Maybe by stability I meant a society without terrorist attacks and stock market collapses. It was your assumption that I meant stability in the context of personal relationships].

“Men have every reason to be deeply suspicious when a woman starts referring to “a proper division of labor”. It invariably means men bearing the brunt of responsibilities in order to allow women the freedom to make lifestyle choices. It is no surprise that a woman would pronounce this as being ‘proper’. [As you said, it "invariably" means men suffering disproportionately so that women can benefit. But you wouldn't know if that's what I meant because I made a very general comment. You assumed the worst. Is it possible that in fact I see a proper division of labor meaning that there are reasonable spheres in which masculinity and femininity can exist, rather than a competitive, nihilistic push towards androgyny in which everyone suffers, especially men?]

I shudder to even think about what you mean by “emotional resources”. It usually means men being stoic emotional tampons soaking up irrational female hysteria. [Most of your criticism here is hypothetical reading between the lines. Perhaps emotional resources pertain to women spending less time focusing on their 18hr a day office jobs and responding to emails and more time with their children and caring for their husbands].

Women usually define masculinity as a some kind of resource to be utilized and exploited. I’m not surprised that you value it – or at least, your definition of it. The problem for you, is that most men who comment here have the revolutionary idea that masculinity is something that men should define for ourselves. You don’t get to do it – and you certainly don’t get to cherry-pick the bits you like. [I haven't once attempted to define masculinity, nor do I claim it is my place to do so]

The “values and behaviors that have sustained society” have not been very rewarding for the vast majority of men. They have turned us into disposable wage slaves whose primary function has been to march off to die in conflicts on behalf of the oppressor class – and women. [No, the values and behaviors that are *currently destroying* society are responsible for turning men into disposable wage slaves who primary function has been to march off to die in conflict on behalf of everyone else. These values and behaviors are a relatively modern invention, and these are what I believe we are all here to complain about. It is quite obvious the enormous role that strong masculinity and even patriarchal systems have played in shaping the most successful societies]

Sites like The Spearhead offer a are opportunity for women to listen, for once, to what men actually want, as opposed to what some woman, like yourself, deems best for us. [I have listened for a long time - I have read this website for several years. I am happy to continue to do so. I never said what I think is best for you - any conclusions you draw about that are based on your assumptions ].”

Bottom line: I never accused anyone of being a misogynist. I accused your criticisms of largely being ad hominem attacks. As you can see in my replies, whether or not your criticisms hold up depends on whether or not your hypothetical assumptions about my intent in making those statements are true.

For instance, just going back to the first criticism, if by stability I do, as you assumed, mean stability for only women and at the expense of men, then yes, your critique of my comment is certainly apt.

But I can promise you that is not what I meant, and it quite clearly is not what I said.

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keyster December 18, 2013 at 12:45

I agree, but women were always women, are now and will always be women and almost all were/are prostitutes (damn few aren’t). The only difference between then and now is they are out of control now and their true nature is showing. Back then they were polite, respectful and took responsibility.

When your grandmother, mother and you starting being told how fantastic you were ad nauseum since the 1970′s, you too would start to become rather conceited and have a false sense of self. The expectations of just how great they are have been rather lofty – more than most women could ever imagine to live up to.

The days of having men or patriarchy to blame for their failures are all but gone. Now they’re anxious and depressed, and that inner sense of low-self-esteem returns to haunt their conscience….UNTIL they become mothers, and the beautiful chemicals that define womanhood are released.

They’ve discovered that “being more like a man” came at the expense of being less like a woman. And being more like a man has other downsides that only men knew of, such as the brutality of the workplace.

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Mickey T December 18, 2013 at 16:07

“They’ve discovered that “being like a man” came at the expense of being less like a woman.”

That would be true if “they” were held to the same standards as a man. Ever notice how the workforce standards have declined in the past 40 years. We used to notice when someone did something wrong, now we notice when they do something right. And it’s getting worse.

So, why should they change anything when they can have both ways?

They’re baby killers at the same time they are “moms”.

Not a snowball’s chance in hell they would give up that special treatment from men. It’s more valuable to them than any superwoman fantasy that any feminist can ever dream of, and there are few of them who don’t know it..

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3DShooter December 18, 2013 at 18:53

Bill hasn’t posted anything new in quite awhile. I hope all is well with him and he’s spending this time with his kids.

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keyster December 19, 2013 at 12:40

I hope he’s not in county lock up.
He had said things were getting pretty tight CS wise and he’s not prone to exaggeration. I imagine the enforcers are pretty rabid about “deadbeat dads” in the Seattle area. Damn, it’s such a racket.

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DW3 December 19, 2013 at 13:12

I got a few mouths to feed, so let’s not bash any beers. I encourage everyone to buy an extra case for Christmas this year. Definitely tip your bartenders.

Somewhat more seriously, I do hope our host here is doing ok. I hope I’m not the only one who worries about him when he can’t post for a long time.

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Anti Idiocy December 19, 2013 at 14:35

“I hope he’s not in county lock up.”

Good point, keyster. That’s exactly what I was thinking. He did say recently that he was on the verge of serious trouble with those folks.

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3DShooter December 19, 2013 at 20:20

@Keyster

Yeah, I had that thought too . . . Best Interests of the Children = pay-up or lock-up if you are a man in our Newspeak world. Anyone know how to find out what his situation is?

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crella December 20, 2013 at 17:21

I hope everything’s okay, too.

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Thos. December 20, 2013 at 19:01
tom47 December 20, 2013 at 19:51

Maybe he decided that running a site for readers who would not support or contribute to it was no longer worth the effort.
Just saying.

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Clay December 20, 2013 at 20:56

Anger is all I can say. Maybe I grew up on too many Little House on the Prarie episodes. You know, the ones where Michael Landon genuinely cares about his family, his community, and his friends. A woman would laugh you right out of bed for holding these values in 2013 America.
The truth is that we as men are alone now, but the women in this society will find themselves utterly alone as they look for someone that cares for them, but their is no one around. They choose it themselves by the way they disrespect their men, cheat on them, and mock them with their eyes just because they don’t have a 10 inch penis, setting aside the fact that they don’t have big huge tits. It is a complete mockery to love and romance, but they have chosen their bed and must sleep in it. I personally have found that Hispanic women and black women still long for romance and love. But white American women are sick to the core. Their hearts long for the big alpha male. What they don’t realize is that men also long for the hot Marilyn Monroe, but they long for love and family in a stronger way, and will almost always give Marilyn Monroe up for a life of family and security. White women claim they want that but they lie with their eyes, and spread their legs for their alpha male bosses all too often. It is a wonder that marriage even happens in todays world. And it goes even deeper than this.
It has infected whole families. I have tried to be there for my Mom and sisters, but they disdain anyone that doesn’t fantasize their fancies. They are alone and I have felt so sorry for them and tried to reach out to them. But they are so seduced by the media and what it tells them. I don’t trust them anymore and am so tired of trying to show them my love for them. I have finally written them off. And in the future, when the chips are down, they will look for me, but not find me. Their rejection of my normal biological care for family has been so trampled on that I wouldn’t care if a marading army came to their town and annihilated them. This is the truth. Women do not understand what they are doing when they follow this evil, lustful lie of the media. They are basically blowing their foot off while they stupidly depend on the safety of government and smooth words that have no meaning. I am done with it. If they choose that way they will pay so dearly. It brings tears to my eyes and hurts my heart deeply. But they have used us as a door mat and have chosen their lifestyle.

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Norm December 22, 2013 at 11:47

Maybe he decided that running a site for readers who would not support or contribute to it was no longer worth the effort.
Just saying.

He wouldn’t stop running it without letting everyone know. Hopefully he isn’t being hassled by the SS(Social Services). They will lock up any man who is working to keep the feminist agenda going if they are not paying the exorbitant “child support” payments

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gender foreigner December 22, 2013 at 14:44

Dear bear December 17, 2013 at 22:15:

I acknowledge what you say and believe you. I think that the reactions to your original post were coming from the profound and ongoing strongest pattern among women that, “It’s all about me (and the males don’t count whatsoever as measured by everything.”

I must say I’ve noticed the above words to be true. In recognition of the, I recognize the categorical truth about women that their orientation to gender is predatory, hypocritical, parasitic, unloving, childish, unaccountable, etc.

Also, in recognising the rule, I also recognize in tandem, the exception. From what you said, I have reason to believe that you are the exception. And we men (and you women, also) must be careful to acknowledge rules and exceptions (and I believe you do–as I do others on this site, other sites and in other contexts.

The profound and ever-worsening state of gender matters around the world give men severe need to be on the guard for the rule (for which we must be on guard, secondarily, to acknowledge the exception).

Believe me, I DO APPRECIATE THE EXCEPTION (as do so many other men). Just last week, I read Erin Pizzey’s (and her husband was a co-author–the lesser contributor in my impression) “Prone to Violence.”

I can tell you that I LOVE ERIN PIZZEY WITH ALL MY HEART and wish to meet others like her of all ages, everywhere. Rah rah, Erin Pizzey and all like her. (Opposite of rah rah) to the rule.

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Towgunner December 22, 2013 at 15:47

@ Clay:

Yes on all accounts. Consider the “fad” of getting tattoos, had it not been for la ink, do you really think all these stupid women young and old would literally be covering themselves in ridiculous tattoos? I see these tat’ed up women and I just shake my head…they want to be “seen”, emphasis seen, as “bad” et al., consistent with some media-based persona, but in reality I see a conformist poser that is in actuality very weak. And by going completely over-board with it, they just make it all the more obvious. women today are like walking holographs, total illusions, but, when this thing collapses these “bad” women will cower like cowards…but, hey, at least they’ll look tough?

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Towgunner December 22, 2013 at 16:00

@ daxamite:

Yeah, I made it ~ 10 seconds…to be honest, it’s really pathetic stuff. Maybe you (female) really are “bossy” and a “bitch”?? It’s such a sad state of affairs, I mean, if someone or group feels misunderstood…could they be part of the problem? Most women I’ve worked with came in feeling entitled and with lousy attitudes, so, what do you expect. Instead they just spew the same ole crap…its not you its everyone else’s fault. Oh sure, that kind of societal attitude is what put a man on the moon, right. I love the background music too, like cry me a river.

I feel your anger, but take a fresh look at it, that video is truly pathetic. Real “go-getters” wouldn’t stop and cry they’d re-access and take the hard look in the mirror if needed, because they know its the only sure way to succeed.

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keyster December 23, 2013 at 10:28

James Taranto hits another one out of the park – –

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304403804579262291294720488?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion

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Jaego December 23, 2013 at 11:53

Fred speaks Truth to the Dowdy one.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Maureen2.shtml

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Keoni Galt December 23, 2013 at 14:39

I hope he’s not in county lock up.
He had said things were getting pretty tight CS wise and he’s not prone to exaggeration. I imagine the enforcers are pretty rabid about “deadbeat dads” in the Seattle area. Damn, it’s such a racket.

It’s been awhile since a new article’s been posted here (and though I don’t post much or comment around here, I still read every new piece and much of the comments on a semi-daily basis), so I logged in to the control panel. As a contributor, I can see the list of pending articles and comments, and it looks like Bill hasn’t done any approvals of comments in moderation since the 8th – the day after this post was published.

This is most uncharacteristic of him, and you’re probably right about him maybe being put in the clink for CS arrearages….

:-(

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Mickey T December 23, 2013 at 14:55

When the sun rises in the morning, a woman will (can) only think off how it affects her. No, not one of the six billion others on the planet or the solar system that the sun will affect is ever considered.

On Facebook I joined a club for my hometown (why I don’t know) and the women are starting to sign off and give the yearly thanks, happy holidays etc. I could only get as far as reading one of their “thankful’ words. She thanked everyone in the club for making HER year so happy etc. That’s it.
Imagine a man doing that. It’s common and sometimes expected for a man give thanks for the opportunities to help others, or the general well being of others.

“It’s all about me (and the males don’t count whatsoever as measured by everything.”

If I’m understanding that right, don’t take it personal, gender foreigner, EVERYTHING is second to women, including their children. It’s a little noticeable because men just happen to be causing a stir right now.

BTW- I could be wrong about this, but I think Bill will be OK pretty soon. As we know, he’s going through some very hard times, but I believe he and the kids will be OK. And he knows the group will support him in every way we can.

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Mickey T December 23, 2013 at 15:21

So, I’m not sure who is right here, but I think we should just conduct business as close to usual as possible and wait it out. This a great discussion, we could go on for a while.

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highwasp December 23, 2013 at 15:34

well – maybe his wife could let us know… Where’s Bill?

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tom47 December 23, 2013 at 17:33

This shows you exactly where in the scheme of things we are. We don’t even know.

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Szebran December 23, 2013 at 18:27

@Thos

Its disinformation and propaganda. It just shows that anti feminism / MRA is beginning to gain popularity. So, like most totalitarian ideologies, they are trying to discredit those groups which they see are a growing threat to the regime.

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Mickey T December 23, 2013 at 18:30

I don’t know how many here are aware that VAWA has a provision which requires the alleged defaulting father to pay any child support and alimony due even for the time in he spends in jail. If he’s in jail and can’t work he still pays all that is due with no interruptions in payments.
Add that to a high bail and it’s a situation where only money will help for the moment. I’m sending him another check.

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Mickey T December 23, 2013 at 18:51

I should have also mentioned that sometimes fathers in a situation such as what I described have to settle for an incompetent, untrustworthy, uncaring and expensive attorney which only he must pay for. She gets legal representation on Bill’s tax dollars.
We don’t now exactly what is happening, but from what I know of Bill he would not just drop out of sight from what means so much to him and leave his friends hanging unless he was having serious trouble.
I still think he and the kids will be OK. We can’t say with absolute certainty that he is a situation as I described, but I do believe he needs our help right now. Only two ways I can see of doing that, financial assistance and keep The Spearhead going during his brief absence.

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Lynn December 24, 2013 at 10:52

“When I write about the superiority of patriarchy as a principle of social and family organization, a lot of people automatically assume I’m arguing for a return to Father Knows Best. ”

From what I’ve read on various sites, MRAs disagree with second wave feminists and the changes that they have worked for. So the assumption is that going back to a 50′s familial/societal structure would pre-date second wave feminism – what MRAs deem is the cause of their problems. It has nothing to do with sitcoms.

So for you, even the 50′s is not good enough? What do you want to return to exactly? Or if not to return to, what is the ideal? How does society need to change?

Another thing, I don’t quite understand what you mean by the word “patriarchy.” I know the definition, of course, but world history is by and large a history of patriarchal societies. And they all differ. What is the ideal, from your perspective?

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Merry Christmas December 24, 2013 at 11:47

If you are in jail, um……..Merry Christmas?

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Mickey T December 24, 2013 at 18:43

Off Topic (but I had to settle my stomach)

I mentioned earlier about all these women in my home town group gushing about all the wonderful things Christmas meant to THEM, so I had to post something which I felt was appropriate:
What Christmas means to me, is to always be mindful of what it means to others.

So far the only comment I got was from a woman who said: “interesting and nice”

She almost gets it?

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3DShooter December 24, 2013 at 21:08

Merry Christmas Bill and all who visit the Spearhead.

@Mickey T

It is not an amendment to VAWA, but rather the Bradly amendment to HHSA (Title IV-D). It is violence committed against men to extort money in clear violation of the Constitution. I know what I think will be required to change this, but tonight is not the night. Maybe in the new year ahead . . .

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Dire Badger December 25, 2013 at 16:23

Lynn, the problems stem from far further back than second wave feminism.

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BC Dad December 26, 2013 at 02:32

I’ve been wondering about Bill’s situation for some time: my suggestion is that if he is in trouble, money will help. So cough it up lads.
Mine’s already sent.

I wonder who’s been moderating comments?

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Gilgamesh December 26, 2013 at 14:06

All this because his wife cheated on HIM with a married man and he was ordered to continue supporting her. Tell me again why women deserve any kind of commitment

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Dire Badger December 26, 2013 at 14:35

I would, but I am one of those kinds that is on the run from CS payment enforcement as well. I just barely managed to scrape up 90 bucks for groceries for a month. I guess I could afford to maybe send like 3 bucks, but that’s bus fare.

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Lynn December 26, 2013 at 19:58

Dire Badger- could you be more specific? “Long before” is pretty vague.

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Gilgamesh December 26, 2013 at 21:57

Long before probably means either the passage of the 19th Amendment or the Victorian Era (when society began to perceive women as morally superior even as these supposedly “chaste” women practiced saphistry in broad daylight)

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Dire Badger December 27, 2013 at 07:26

Lynn-
The problems started at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, with the death of handicrafts and working with family
The thing is, that was a neccessary, and temporary change. the age of the factory worker is long over. The era that promised to make the whole human race fabulously wealthy, and ease our dependence on brute human and animal labor, has succeeded. And the only benefactors were those visionaries (or slavers, depending on your viewpoint) who hoarded every bit of the wealth created, by convincing people that they could not rule themselves and pushing well-paid figureheads and Reeves, and telling the ‘ultimate’ big lie… the one that everyone believes because it is too audacious to be false. The Era that disintegrated the nuclear family, and encouraged the industrial philosophy that turns humans into simple cogs in machines, worth less than a robot that will do the same thing, and otherwise valued only for their consumerism.

The problem is, only a few people have figured that out. They are the ones on Ebay selling handcrafts.

As anyone who has ever shopped at wal-mart can attest, mass production is absolutely wonderful for creating raw materials…cloth, chemicals, basic agricultural products, metal parts, etc… but fails staggeringly when producing non-technological products. Ikea crap falls apart, walmart clothing falls apart so quickly it can seldom even be used for ragbag, bedding, food, everything that humanity needs on a day-to-day basis, is complete garbage when mass produced.

A skilled seamstress can create a garment that can last for years (My pet made me a hawaiian shirt I have been wearing weekly for over ten years and it’s still in great shape) a skilled cook can make food that blows ANY premade crap out of the water, even a cheap plywood chair made by someone who knows how to countersink screws or dovetail joints is stronger and more durable than the best garbage coming out of Ikea.

The age of the individual is coming back, but we still have not cast aside the industrial age concepts because the big lie is still being reinforced, and stronger than ever. The less we need corporate conglomerism, the more strongly they push to make it appear to be the only option. It is class warfare at it’s finest, because only a socialist society with a strong government and complete lack of confidence and competence in the individual at every level destroying all but an illusion of a free market could make such power possible. Your ‘average’ fortune 500 company has the sort of wealth, in comparison to the average individual, that would make charlemaigne blanch, or louis the XIV turn green with envy… they have thousands of times the comparative wealth that even napoleon or alexander the great commanded.

This wealth is only possible due to government control of the free market, and enforcement of legal structures that make ‘corporate persons’ more powerful at every level than real human beings… immortals with no morals, no ethics, no ability to be effectively punished, and no goals beyond the acquisition of power and self-preservation. In other words, these immortals only exist because big, strong men with guns force us to pretend they are real.

And these corporate persons are desperate to justify their existence and continue their nonstop acquisitiveness. Their tools are all imaginary… fiat currency, feminism, social engineering, socialism, they require people to accept the big lie at every level in order to continue to exist and milk us. They don’t want humans as slaves… they have moved well beyond the need for us as manual labor… We are cattle, producing a steady stream of power and wealth, content in our little apartments while our intellects are being used as batteries.

I hate to use the matrix as an example, it was a crappy movie, but a good example of how society functions and how the big lie underlies nearly all facets of our postindustrial culture. The irony, of course, is that the ‘real’ matrix, the internet, is the tool that can ultimately set us free from our homegrown parasites, the incestuous specters of big government and big corporatism.

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Dire Badger December 27, 2013 at 07:39

BTW, I am not a luddite. I am just a firm believer in the scientifically-proven laws that any organism without natural controls or limitations, will grow beyond it’s environment’s capacity to support it, and choke out all other competing factors. This is why every government eventually fails, every creature eventually dies… immortality cannot and does not exist for anything in this universe, and the more dynamic it’s nature, the more it is restricted by nature. trees live for centuries, mayflies for a day.

it takes a concerted effort of massive groups believing unquestioningly in fiction in order to create an environment where a dynamic structure can exist beyond it’s allotted span… and such structures always grow to acquire more and moreand become corrupted far beyond their original purpose as they exceed their useful life. Unions, Incorporation, the power structures of Government, radical industrialisation and technocracy… all had noble beginnings, but were allowed to live long past their useful life, turning them into monsters that care for nothing but their own continued growth and survival.

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Keoni Galt December 27, 2013 at 08:52

LMAO

Note: The following comment is stuck in moderation. Apparently I’ve never logged in and commented here at TS with my common WordPress account that I use all over the MAndrosphere, I’ve only commented here under my Contributer account….anyhow, here was my response to the following query by BC Dad:

I wonder who’s been moderating comments?

No one. If you’ve already been approved by Bill in the past, you can log in and still comment. But first time commenters are stuck in moderation until Bill approves them.

I don’t believe anyone else has the ability to moderate comments or approve articles other than Bill, otherwise there would be other articles posted since this one, as there are two articles in que at the moment.

All this because his wife cheated on HIM with a married man and he was ordered to continue supporting her.

Seeing this EXACT situation play out like this with my family is what brought me to these fringes of teh Interwebz seven-plus years ago to begin my REAL education on life in the 21st Century.

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Keoni Galt December 27, 2013 at 09:00

Dire Badger…that was an epic comment.

The age of the individual is coming back, but we still have not cast aside the industrial age concepts because the big lie is still being reinforced, and stronger than ever. The less we need corporate conglomerism, the more strongly they push to make it appear to be the only option. It is class warfare at it’s finest, because only a socialist society with a strong government and complete lack of confidence and competence in the individual at every level destroying all but an illusion of a free market could make such power possible.

A-freakin-men, Bro!

This is what “the red pill” means to me. Rediscovering the basics of life and the beauty of individuality. You can see it in every facet of life here in the West.

For instance, this is what I notice nowadays… go to a potluck where everyone is supposed to bring a dish. When I was a kid in the 80′s, 90% of all food at a potluck/party was homemade fare. Only the odd person who couldn’t make something for whatever reason, would occasionally grab some fast food or takeout as their contribution to the feast.

Nowadays, this situation is exactly reversed. I’ve often been the only person bringing a home cooked, hand made contribution…everyone else brings buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken, Chinese takeout, Costco platters, grocery store pastries and desserts, etc.

The quality of individual production of food has been outsourced to the corporate behemoth.

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Tan the Bam December 27, 2013 at 09:53

Badge mate, don’t bother trying to dovetail ply. One of those mitre cutters for router or spindle is good, at a pinch Fein biscuits or screwblocks. And fuckload of boat epoxy, wire ties and glassfiber strips! or just plain white glue, even Scotch will do.

Could be Mine Host has simply got his work cut out gettin all the rondayvoo done, with the by now enormously extended fambly, eh? Fret not. If he wants us to bother him I’m sure he’ll let on.

Happy Crimbo Bill, most sincerely. Your site done me a power of good this year.

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meistergedanken December 27, 2013 at 09:53

Direbadger, you need to read “World Made By Hand” by James Howard Kunstler. It’s a dystopian novel that describes the logical extrapolation of exactly what you are talking about. Kunstler is a Peak Oil prophet of doom, but I believe he accurately predicts a near future where economies collapse to become strictly local, and small communities are eventually revitalized and become self-suffcient by necessity. That is why he (and the characters of his book) live in upstate New York, a place where this could be possible (and not, say a city like Las Vegas, whose days are numbered).

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meistergedanken December 27, 2013 at 09:57

Keoni Galt wrote: “For instance, this is what I notice nowadays… go to a potluck where everyone is supposed to bring a dish. When I was a kid in the 80′s, 90% of all food at a potluck/party was homemade fare….Nowadays, this situation is exactly reversed. …everyone else brings buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken, Chinese takeout, Costco platters, grocery store pastries and desserts, etc. ”

This perfectly describes my Christmas with the in-laws. And my wife, God bless her, is the biggest transgressor of them all. She’s home for two weeks for winter break, and she won’t even bake a damn pie. And she then wonders why she just spent $300 on food.

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Lynn December 27, 2013 at 10:04

Dire Badger (is the name a reference to something?)
Thanks for explaining.
I see what you’re getting at. If I can sum up: Being self-sustaining rather than outsourcing is your ideal. Unless the outsourcing was done via skilled labor, when possible, and then there is trade . In this regard, the work of a family would be primarily centered around meeting the needs of the household or the community. Like the Amish in Pennsylvania? Or indigenous people perhaps?
Getting back to my question, I don’t see why this necessitates patriarchy. Reverse the gender roles. Have a gay or lesbian family. Have a group of people, related or not, working together. You can still have a self-sustaining community, IMO.
Here’s a chicken/egg question. Did your desire to return to the patriarchal structure of the pre-industrial era cause your interest the MRM, or the other way around?
Also- I think that Etsy is the handcraft website you’re referring to?

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Dire Badger December 27, 2013 at 10:08

I always try to stress to people what the BIG LIE really is- ‘YOU NEED US’

And the red pill can be broken down to one, simple statement. “I don’t need you.”

Every group that men oppose, that the ‘red pill’ exposes, are trying to tell us the same Big Lie… and most of the injustices that they commit are the direct result of trying to cover up physical and psychological evidence that it is nothing more than a lie. Feminism is trying to protect itself by pushing harsher and harsher penalties for being male, creating crimes out of thin air to ‘prove’ again and again that they are still needed, and that they were needed in the first place (a patent falsehood to anyone with a brain.. men are hard-wired to protect and benefit women and always have been.) and in the end, you will find that many big lies exist only to compete with OTHER big lies… why do we ‘need’ a military? because other countries have militaries that they must oppose.
The Irony is that those things that we ‘need’ and still have a legitimate purpose are not even close to grossly overpowered… the fact that they are truly needed is, in itself, a factor that limits their neccessity to exaggerate their own importance and neccessity.
After all, we ‘need’ electricity, and most electric companies are in nothing like the advanced stages of degeneracy that quickly overtake companies that are ‘optional’. They have real purpose, and no lies are required to encourage consumers. ground-based communications companies are similarly less corrupted, unless (like comcast for example) they have ‘diversified’ into optional areas like entertainment… and thus have to constantly and aggressively convince the public that their services are non-optional.

Anyone with a grasp of logic and knowledge of evolutionary psychology understands exactly why females buy into the big lie so easily… their evolutionary need to belong to a group for survival reasons has encouraged a willingness to believe in a consensus reality, and buying into the big lie in a big way is a strong survival mechanism… once something becomes ‘accepted’, choosing reality over public fiction is a route to nothing more than expulsion and eventual death. THAT is why the so-called ‘patriarchy’ existed… to protect women from the con artists and liars that would convince them that harming themselves and others is the new consensus reality… the very thing that the ‘destruction’ of masculine domination (and their irascible, rebellious rejection of consensus reality when it contradicts with obvious fact) has permitted to occur. And reality, when it finally bites through the lies of consensus fact, is a stone-cold motherfucker.

that is why there are certain facets of today’s propaganda machine bother me so much…. sometimes the big lie is a minor annoyance, but there are consensus assumptions flying around today that can literally destroy our entire species.

fat acceptance- despite proven facts that obesity will destroy your life and then KILL you, this ‘big lie’ by the irresponsible is gaining power as it becomes a meme. It is subsidized by a broad subset of special interests, from food conglomerates to medicine and weight-loss corporations gaining enormous profits from the captive consumers fighting to stay alive and failing to acknowledge the basic facts that their weight is unhealthy.

multi-ethnicity- conflicting ethnic and cultural groups in close proximity KILL each other. And yet those that profit from manipulating trade, conflict, and global domination are desperately pressing the meme that ‘diversity is strength’, and ‘tolerance’. This is not racism, this is simple acknowledgement that different areas require different cultural standards and morality… and when you force those cultures to come into direct contact, people die. History is filled with examples of what happens when opposing cultures are forced into close proximity, how many times do you have to get the shits from drinking milk before you admit you are lactose intolerant?

Socialism- Communism is simply socialism with more dedication. Socialism, and central control of resources, has proven again and again that a guy in a tropical climate has NO idea what people who live in constant snow need. central control fails again and again for exactly the same reason that multiculturalism fails. Things are different THERE from how they are HERE. Voting and central control works just fine when everyone lives in exactly the same matrix and has exactly the same resource level… in other words, if every human was an identical clone. In the real world? assuming everyone is exactly the same is stupid in the extreme. laws must differ, standards must differ. Communications mediates this problem somewhat, but does some gay porn producer in california REALLY have the right to decide what laws and customs a florida itinerant orange picker must live with? He has NO clue about what their life is like, they don’t affect him in any way other than his morning orange juice, so why on EARTH should he decide how they must live? both socialism and central control are clearly retarded to anyone that actually THINKS about them.
This BIG LIE is the reason that the Euro was a failure out of the gate, and doomed to fail from the beginning, too much reality broke it.

Feminism- all the problems of socialism and central control and multiculturalism above, none of the virtues of getting to date a hot little Asian chick. These have all been addressed a thousand times before on the spearhead, so i am not going to address them.

Corporatism and limited-liability- government-sponsored incorporation had a need… that was to encourage growth and risk-taking by individuals by minimizing their individual risk, in order to attempt projects that could potentially break the resources of individuals. Basically they were set ‘above the law’ in order to create infrastructure for a rapidly-expanding world, electricity and communication networks and transportation. The idea had merit, but as anyone who has ever tried to fix a leaky faucet while the water was turned on could tell you, once you take the limits off, unlimited and unethical expansion was impossible to control or to stop. Removing the natural limit of social and physical consequences on individuals or groups opened the door to rapid progress…and monstrous actions. Mass murder, slavery, theft, con games, lies, atmospheric destruction, laying waste to entire countries, every immoral and unethical vice that we, as humans, have chosen to declare as ‘wrong’ are being regularly practiced, because the perpetrators have complete immunity from the natural consequences of their actions… the only ‘crime’ to a corporation is failing to turn a profit (and even that crime is being relieved by a well-paid government) consequences and results are a natural balancing factor… when you remove the consequences, you destroy the only factor that prevents horrifying injustice. Truly free markets possess no artificial protection from the results of your actions.

Basically social medicine, gun control, the war on drugs, the FCC’s ‘media monopoly’ enforcement, the EPA, the FDA, child protective Services, Obamacare, and a ton of other ‘agencies’ and ‘act enforcement groups’ , all are simply devices used to perpetuate the big lie… that we need them.

Keoni Galt- Sorry for the epic comments, but Welmer isn’t here… nothing to redirect me from my rants :P

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Dire Badger December 27, 2013 at 10:25

It’s an interesting philosophical dichotomy… socially, the needs of the many MUST outweigh the needs of the few, but for individuality, the needs of the ONE outweigh any other needs. as long as you bear in mind the differences between ‘needs’ and ‘desires’, the needs of the individual do not conflict with the needs of the many OR the needs of the few.

the DESIRES of the many, or the DESIRES of the few, are simply and utterly irrelevant and cannot be weighed in that fashion… and that is where we, as a society, have broken down completely. We have confused ‘desire’ with ‘need’. You can be happy and productive without desires ever being met. Desires can be mitigated, and controlled. I desire a cigarette right this second, but am willing to ignore this desire, and be happy with my newly-rediscovered ability to smell everything, taste food, and breath easily… my need is being met by not smoking, even if my desire is being thwarted.

I believe that among men self-determination is a NEED, while among women, protection is a NEED.

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Dire Badger December 27, 2013 at 14:26

Tam- I was trying to make a point, I’d never make furniture out of plywood anyway. Nearby river, most of my stuff is driftwood.

Meistergedanken- right now I am reading ‘founders’ by James Wesley Rawles… It’s about a postapocalyptic society after the economic collapse of the US due to tax and spend, keynesian economics, and out-of-control entitlement spending. Not sure how realistic the collapse is (me and a dozen friends could keep a small electric dam going and repaired indefinitely, for example… as well as build one with scrounged materials…although a lot of that sort of thing seems to be the focus of the book.) since in point of fact profitable infrastructure still exists, and an energy infrastructure collapse seems unlikely even in the event of a political collapse, but I am going to see how well the book works, and will write a book review if it’s worth reading…so far it’s like Atlas shrugged lite meets the boy scout handbook with a healthy dose of ‘ex marine writer’ thrown in.

Lynn-
Dire Badger was picked as my gaming name because when I was in my ‘mystical’ phase as a youngster Badger was my ‘totem animal’. Badger is common as dirt, though, so I chose Dire Badger…it was only a fortituous coincidence that when I discovered the ‘honeybadger’ phenomenon I realised that the opposition to females trying to worm their way into male society by pretending to be sympathetic and amenable to logic (fuck nawalt) implied by the name perfectly suited my own proclivities. Sure, there are women who are exceptional, but I have never met one, and I am not willing to change my opinions on women in general simply because one my have been born with an extra Y chromosone. That sort of ‘every person is an exception’ bullshit reframes and diminishes individuality and achievement by acting like progress is everyone’s accomplishment.

The point I was trying to make is that while mass production (commercial farming, mass transportation, fabric and other intensive bulk materials, high-technology microchips and other things that can be reasonably accomplished only by machines) were the end result of the industrial revolution, earlier sorts of crafts that we still make use of today could be easily embraced and taken out of the hands of machines and back into human hands. Finished goods such as clothing, meals, furniture, and other items that do NOT require efficient machining, would be ideally suited to individual craftsmen… not sweatshop workers, but things that a single man could assemble in a reasonably stocked shop. Frankly, the relaxed demand for simple bulk goods and the lowered cost of those goods caused by industrialization of bulk processing has released our population from the neccessity of working every moment of the day for simple survival… non-mechanical or electronic luxuries can and should be the domain of the individual craftsman, and I am proud to say that I purchase the majority of such luxuries from private craftsmen or make them myself. such endeavors improve the wealth of individuals, and bring up the standard of living dramatically, rather than throwing endless monopoly money into the bottomless pit of the wal-mart and general Mills machines.

And no, I have no interest in the communist egalitarian fantasies. the differences between the genders are a LOT more pronounced than simple upper body strength. I am a male, and a Dom, and I refuse to associate with those that put their individual perversions ahead of humanity’s future. You choose to be a homo, you are a dead fucking evolutionary end… I refuse to waste any of my labor on you. I have heard all the arguments about ‘natural homosexuals’ and the rest of that crap, and I have done a ton of research… 90% of homosexuality today is entirely voluntary, (100% among females) and the other 10% is no more to be exalted than sickle cell anemia, down’s syndrome, or any other birth defect. I am not interested in ‘self sustaining communities’ as that is a violation of free market… ideally multiple communities should be able to trade fairly for what they cannot produce themselves. And as I said before, I am not a luddite… I want to keep the advancements made by the industrial revolution, thank you very much, right where they belong…. bulk commodities and repetetive, labor-intensive small-reward industry. machines can do things like weaving fine cloth cheaper and BETTER than humans can, as well as things where consistency is more important than quality, keep them at it.

chicken/egg question? I don’t wish to return to a pre-industrial era. I want humanity to enter a new era where individual craftsmanship, achievement, and true strength and decency are rewarded. I am not amish, I simply want to end the savage dependence on industrial finished food and luxury production to come back to the hands of those that are capable of doing it in quality. As I mentioned, my pet made one of my favorite shirts, and she is a whiz with both a sewing machine (complicated, over a thousand dollars, got it back when we could afford it) and her efforts in that regard have managed to keep us in luxuries we could not afford in today’s economy (as a professional artist I make rent… but that’s about it.) I even prefer playing games by ‘independent’ developers… minecraft, frayed knights, and hundreds of hours of other fun diversions come out of basement studios daily.

I went through a messy crap with an ex way back when, that’s still going on, but that wasn’t what brought me to the MRA. It was actually a pick-up artist. He poached a girl I had staked out while I was dealing with some police problems, and I sorta wondered how in the hell a gamey little wretch could poach a chick from ME. After that I watched a movie called ‘Hitch’ with my pet when she was feeling romantic, and realised the dude was about half right, and then laughed my ass off as a guy named Dick went on dr. phil about how ‘men were better than women’. I checked out his website, one link led to another, and I wound up on in mala fide. It jibed with Evopsyche and the human history I was a fanatic for, and explained a ton of things that just hadn’t made any sense before.

I run my household in a style you might consider pre-industrial. My pets don’t work outside the home (in fact mostly neither do I) and we have a fine, happy life, with plenty of luxuries, on a public income that most would consider far below the poverty line (less than 12k a year taxable income) but it’s about as far off the grid as you can get without leaving the country entirely. We have health insurance, a warm and comfortable place to live, good food, the occasional luxury, internet, video games, lots of sex, movies, defense, and 5 times I have looked at my greedy, conniving ex-wife through the scope and chosen NOT to pull the trigger.

Life is good, but I am a patriot and I hate what is happening to my country. I am a member of ‘Oath keepers’ (http://oathkeepers.org/) and a local father’s rights group, and we regularly go to court and inform juries as to what their REAL constitutional duties are (Not the lies and crap that the judge tries to sell them on), as well as showing support in family court and doing what we can to help people who are in trouble.

This is what an EX liberal/furry/feminist/tolerance apologist/wiccan/egalitarian/multiculturalist looks like. The red pill is worth it.

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gender foreigner December 27, 2013 at 14:38

Dear meistergedanken December 27, 2013 at 09:57:

As a continuation of your line of observations (and Dire Badger’s also), in the women’s government schools, the reason why children take high-fat, high-sugar, high-salt food to school is because WOMEN ARE OUT OF THE KITCHEN WHERE THEY BELONG.

The profoundly poor, commercially prepared, “food” the children eat is really the feminist diet imposed by the matriarchy as women do not ADD to their roles in life by going to, “work” but rather, they REPLACE what they used to do a formerly better job of doing.

At, “work,” women take off huge blocks of time. Such includes, but is not limited to:

1. parasite leave,
2. ALL SICK DAYS every year and not only do they take off parasite leave each time they don’t murder the baby in the womb, now contracts include
3. pre-parasite-leave top-ups in which the women get to declare that they are girl-sick and they get to take off UNLIMITED DAYS WITH FULL PAY, ETC. in up to four-day blocks at a time again, without limit.

The above evidences that women PLAY OFFICE and PLAY HOURS. They OCCUPY two roles but EMBRACE NEITHER. Such women (most women are like that) do not have the feminist-claimed, “double work day.” What they have is the DOUBLE PLAY DAY. They PLAY OFFICE (at the expense of their responsibilities at home–their DOMESTIC VIOLENCE by neglect) and they PLAY HOUSE (at the expense of their responsibilities at work–their COMMERCIAL VIOLENCE by neglect).

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gender foreigner December 27, 2013 at 14:39

Correction: “The above evidences that women PLAY OFFICE and PLAY HOURS.” should have read, “The above evidences that women PLAY OFFICE and PLAY HOUSE.”

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Gilgamesh December 27, 2013 at 15:35

“Getting back to my question, I don’t see why this necessitates patriarchy. Reverse the gender roles. Have a gay or lesbian family. Have a group of people, related or not, working together. You can still have a self-sustaining community, IMO.”

Because only men can do all the hard, dangerous jobs and fuck if I’m going to take orders from a a lazy entitled piece of shit while risking my life.

Homosexuals are lazy subversives who want the world to conform to their insanity. Let ‘em starve.

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Towgunner December 27, 2013 at 18:05

@ Dire Badger:

Great comment. I’ve brutalized a quote from Shakespeare’s Richard III a few months back when referring to feminism, where after Richard assumes the throne he takes a breath and recounts all the treachery that brought him there. His remark went like this…he says he’s dizzied and confused because in order to gain power he weaved a complex tapestry of lies and now he can’t even see straight; as he put it “a lie plucked from a lie plucked from a lie”. Again, apologies, I’m doing that from vague memory. Anyway, that’s what I thought when reading your comments. Indeed, the current social status qou, namely feminism, is built on a lie which, as it festers like an infection, creates more variations (hence a lie from a lie). Consider one of the first lies of feminism – men and women are completely the same. From that lie plucks another, such as the ridiculous idea of “trans”sexual or the kind of lies that infest institutions i.e. since men = women ergo women must = men in proportional amounts in STEM.

@ Lynn:

You completely missed DB’s point. These things you think could flourish in a more individual environment that is self sustaining, sex role reversal, homosexual parenting etc, are ALL synthetic creations that have only occurred during recent years while the individual has been steadily minimized in lieu of a massive collective. Take sex role reversal; in a more individual environment the push to conform and therefore believe in popular (synthetic) culture wouldn’t be championed and probably frowned on as a kind of weakness (and it is). Consider that much of the reason why “role reversal” seems so attractive and popular is because its been pushed by the media, which is in turn pushed by malcontents who, simply, hate men and their achievements, which they call “patriarchy”. And the hyper-connected lemming women who tried to follow suit are now realizing they’ve wasted precious time. Point is, in a more individual society, singular agendas dictated from fringe elements in our society be they militant homosexualists or feminists would NOT be common. The synthetic peer pressure from, for example, grey’s anatomy or some crime drama to become some doctor or lawyer would quickly dissolve. Why? Because behind the thin veil of propaganda is a meat-hook reality of bed pans and working on the weekends…remember “work will set you free” was posted of Austerlitz.

Another thing, individual empowerment will result in social conditions that due indeed, like everything else, congregate around means. When Duck Dynasty’s Phil spoke his mind he was issuing an independent and individual opinion. Millions, and I mean millions have come to his defense. Then we have two popular referendums in CA and MA both against homosexual marriage that were ultimately overturned by judicial fiat (that means one person decided that everyone else was wrong for, among many other reasons, the good of the collective no doubt. ??). My point is this; these things you mentioned did not pop into existence from nature, they were made artificially. Moreover, the maintenance of these things requires a heavy handed state that must, for instance, silence key enablers of individuality such as the right to free speech because it literally must mold each individual to all become square or circle pegs fitting neatly in their holes. You see, in order for homosexualism and feminism to exist it needs an obedient collective, whereas, empowered individuals would know and act on their own free will, ahem, without the bullying of the state and its toadies such as NGOs (glaad etc).

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Lynn December 28, 2013 at 05:07

Hi Towgunner-

Synthetic vs natural.
Do you consider civilization to be natural? Domestication of animals? Agriculture? Organized communities? Trade? Are these things natural or synthetic? Mankind has always been changing nature to meet needs and to make life more comfortable.
Is the nuclear family natural or synthetic?
I don’t see how role reversal is any more synthetic than anything else mankind has constructed.

I also don’t agree that something that is natural is necessarily better.

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Lynn December 28, 2013 at 07:34

Dire badger-
Thanks for your explanation, it’s clearer now, what you envision. Is this a common view of what the idyllic society would be? Or just yours?

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Dire Badger December 28, 2013 at 13:37

lynn-

Why do you ask?
are you honestly curious, or just interested in material to set up as a straw man when you repost it back on jezebel?

My views are my views alone, and I have never once claimed to speak for the men’s rights movement.

Frankly, I believe a more patriarchial society is entirely inevitable, simply because victim politics, entitlement spending, increasingly harsh penalties, and all the other props that feminism requires to make itself valid are completely unsustainable. The male-run industrial/commercial society upon which it feeds has been bled white, there is no blood left to take. Boys are being taught to take and take, and girls have always been that way… As of 2015, over 85% of the infrastructure workforce will have retired, and there is NO ONE LEFT to replace them… The hard-bitten, go-get-em’, hard-working male is too old to do it any more… and the girlboys YOUR culture has raised are incapable of picking up the slack… your world is ending, little girl, and no one is going to be there to rescue you when it is.

You have, at best, 7 years of leisure left. enjoy them. (less than that if Hilary is elected next term, possibly slightly more if some hard-nosed non-rhino conservative like Rand Paul manages to get the vote)

Once the infrastructure and ponzi scheme collapses, Men are not going to have much use for women that won’t act like women. I know that I will not be wasting my labor and life for someone that is not truly worthy of it.

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Gilgamesh December 28, 2013 at 13:58

I don’t know how common it is but I like most of what I’ve heard so far (I’m not sure I trust the institution of indentured servitude by contract he’s proposed in the past, a certain tribe will probably find a way to turn that into defacto chattel slavery, and it’s hard to expel that tribe completely because they like to blend in with the native population)

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Dire Badger December 28, 2013 at 14:02

Lynn-
Synthetic vs. natural:

It’s not really that easy to define of a dichotomy. perhaps better terms would be ‘sustainable versus unsustainable’
If something requires an encompassing infrastructure to continue to function, it is unsustainable. If something can continue to run without that infrastructure, or with merely the input of a few individuals, it is sustainable.

Widespread homosexuality, female empowerement, transsexuality, are unsustainable, since they require an ongoing drain of cultural and personal resources in order to be maintained. Individually, such things can exist in a vacuum, but they produce nothing, merely take, and eventually will die out without a constant influx of new blood in order to sustain them. Civilization, however, is sustainable, since it requires merely two people. It is reinvented every time two people communicate, trade equitably, or interact in any way.

A highly artificial technology base is NOT currently sustainable, but has the potential to become so… to do so, though, would require technology to sustain itself without a constant influx of new people. However, a knowledge-based technology base is indeed sustainable because each individual is capable of reproducing and expanding the knowledge neccessary to keep it functional.

Electricity is unlikely to disappear, as is radio, because I can create a transmitter or reciever or basic generator out of natural materials. admittedly, a crystal radio, flask-battery, or hand-cranked magnetic generator are nothing like as efficient or powerful as their modern analogs, but they are simply based upon knowledge… a lot of chemistry, physics, and even electronics have advanced to the point where they are, in fact, easily reproduced even if the industrial base and infrastructure which support them were to collapse.
land lines: sustainable
cellphones: unsustainable. They require too much infrastructure.

In general, sustainable structures tend to have positive effects upon humans and culture, while unsustainable ones tend to have negative effects. This is not a hard law, since there are a very few unsustainable structures that have positive effects (although in general, these are usually replaced by sustainable structures eventually) such as laser eye surgery, and some sustainable ones that have negative effects (slavery)

In general, the structures you refer to meet the broadest definition of unsustainability: they cannot exist without a large, powerful infrastructure, they detract from the quality of life of others, they add nothing to the cultural matrix from which they draw, and they require enforcement, often at gunpoint, of their precepts.

if you question the idea of sustainable communities versus unsustainable communities, I suggest you look into the statistics surrounding two-mother households, transexual households, as well as the abortive attempts at creating trans, lesbian, and homosexual communes.

It is ironic, some communes were created in the 60′s that were ‘nature’ oriented, and many of them still exist, although they now more strongly resemble amish communities with faith in god replaced with faith in nature.
however, the lesbian and trans communes have universally collapsed due to internal strife. They are, simply put, impossible. Lesbians are nothing but women that have surrendered to hate, and thus everything they touch turns to shit and is destroyed. Hatred is NOT a foundation upon which successful long-term cooperation can be forged.

Many of the MRA’s you may see here are bitter, but I doubt you will find a true woman-hater among us. Most of us love women still, and simply wish to see the culture which teaches them to hate men, boys, and themselves destroyed. Inside every feminist is a vast pool of self-loathing and hatred for other women that they tap constantly for ‘inspiration’ in their war on men, boys, and women that choose to live happily instead of agonizing over their victimhood.

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Dire Badger December 28, 2013 at 17:30

Gilgamesh-

I understand what you are saying, and I agree, you are probably right. Well, until the next time they piss off another culture so much they try to exterminate them. Nobody likes a con artist.

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Gilgamesh December 29, 2013 at 13:14

If that happens they’ll use it to subvert 10 cultures

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Keoni Galt December 30, 2013 at 19:25

Well Men, I hope I haven’t presumed too much here, but I’ve just posted about Bill’s extended absence over at my blog, and am attempting to get readers of the MAndrosphere to help donate to Bill’s cause.

http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2013/12/imputed-income-trap.html

If he’s really in the clink for child support arrears, he’ll need all the $$ help he can get.

Spread the word if you can folks. Undoubtedly after not updating this blog for over 20+ days, many folks are no longer dropping by here to see what’s going on…

Let’s help the guy out, as he no doubt has helped out many of you with all of the work he’s done the past 4 years here.

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Spocksdisciple December 31, 2013 at 11:17

I would not panic at the moment. You can check for yourself the online search for King County inmates here
http://ingress.kingcounty.gov/inmatelookup/SearchJailData.aspx
There is a prisoner with that name but released in Oct and no current inmates with that name. So we cannot assume he’s in custody but might have dropped off line for other reasons.

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tom47 December 31, 2013 at 16:31

It’s interesting that there’s no buzz about Bill’s absence at any of the other sites. I guess it’s true; there is no men’s movement.

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Tam the Bam January 1, 2014 at 04:37

” interesting that there’s no buzz about Bill’s absence”
I wouldn’t get Eddie&Keela out yet, it is Christmas etc. after all.

For example, I am quite certain that I am one of the very few people in Scotland who is actually sober, since before dawn when I got up (crucial eBay sniping match on. No mercy shall be shown to the vanquished!).
The town is like a neutron bomb got dropped on it, and our forefathers in their calvinist pragmatism declared the next day or so a public holiday, mainly in the interests of safety, as well as because nobody would actually turn up.
Uncannily silent out there, even at lunchtime … not even the piteous groans of the “unwell”, just the odd taxicab whooshing past.

If Price is still AWOL after Burns’s Night, I might become more concerned.

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Lord Valtrex January 1, 2014 at 09:17

Found this:

“What you’re almost onto is this – women entering male spaces has pathologised them by bring sexual selection into a space previously free from that stress. ‘Sexual selection’ before the 60′s was mostly kept out of mainstream society – a woman and a man who would marry usually first met through family, not in a ‘public space’ setting where both sexes had free range. In any situation where sex outside marriage isn’t considered shameful and where men and women congregate together – you’re going to have this “Beta/Alpha” dichotomy emerge and it’s supremely dehumansing. This is why introverted males are no longer taking part in society, they’re dropping at every point – from highschool to college to the workplace, each has become more a ‘bisex’ space, these introverted males no longer have anywhere to be themselves, to be productive – without having their sexual status constantly rubbed in their faces. Because of all this, the “Alpha\Beta” dichotomy is CONSTANTLY on the minds of young men, and many men have developed pathologies and sexual pathologies as a result – so you have an increase in homosexuality, in transexuals, in ‘sissys’, ‘cuckfags’, etc. The only way this is going to be turned back is by re-establishment of patriarchy, of sexual monogamy, and sex-segregation (primarily through pushing women back into the home).”

http://i42.tinypic.com/263823d.png

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Clarence January 1, 2014 at 10:02

“It’s interesting that there’s no buzz about Bill’s absence at any of the other sites. I guess it’s true; there is no men’s movement.”

Not quite true, the Antifeminist noticed:

http://theantifeminist.com/best-wishes-to-w-f-price-of-the-spearhead/

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Days of Broken Arrows January 1, 2014 at 10:42

It’s been almost a month since Bill’s last post here. I was thinking things were busy because of the holidays, but now I’m hoping things are OK. I know there are some family issues he wrote about. Wishing you the best, Bill.

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Savethemales January 1, 2014 at 14:55

http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/03/09/revisiting-the-misandry-bubble/

Can we have another thread on misandry for 2014? I haven’t read much on misandry in the last two years, where is the current progress? Is this bubble still slated to burst by 2020? What happened to the futurist(TFH), his most recent blog post about misandry is “A First Quarter Poll on The Misandry Bubble”

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geographybeefinalisthimself January 2, 2014 at 00:44

I bet that if Manboobz stumbles on this post he is rooting for something horrible to have happened to Price. Futrelle has already revealed what a despicable person he is by picking on people with disabilities (I am one such person) who do not agree with feminism (because I have received zero benefit from it and because feminists also despise men with disabilities, despite any pathetic protestation to the contrary they may make) and who do not agree with being expected to know their place because of a disability that is no fault of their own.

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tom47 January 2, 2014 at 16:01

Has anyone considered that if no one pays the server bill then this site may go down.

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DirkJohanson January 2, 2014 at 17:19

Tom47,

In my, albeit limited, experience, server bills are once a year.

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3DShooter January 2, 2014 at 18:50

Since Bill isn’t posting for reasons we do not yet know, I thought maybe a couple New Year observations from nobody (me) might help fill the void.

Over the course of 2013 it seems, not factual in any way, that men’s voices are being heard at least in the on-line world more than they have been. When I first went in search of ‘answers’ and found the-spearhead.com there was very little out there. And men’s voices and opinions regarding family law (aka kangaroo family kourts) and men’s relationships with their kids were few and far between. Now when a men’s issue appears seemingly anywhere on-line men are making their voices heard. That is a good thing that needs to continue and one to which Bill has contributed as he has been able.

Also, in my limited observation, it appears that women are increasingly on the defensive in attempting to defend their reprehensible behavior. And they are failing badly.

That in itself is something to be thankful for in this new year however meager it is.

I hope that soon we will know Bill’s circumstances and that the worst case scenarios are figments of the imagination.

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joeb January 2, 2014 at 19:37

3DShooter
Its good to hear some one hit the mark with the family courts
(aka kangaroo family kourts)
During the gold mining rush in the 1800s The term kangaroo courts , And in Baseball pay for errors and taping the players dry throw fines .
The family courts are here for one thing to Tap mens wealth . Hold American down throw perceived dept and control .
Starting to worry a little about bill Maybe he need some time off , Or maybe the Gov shut him down . I don’t know But . Id like to know .
Does anybody know whats Up .

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3DShooter January 3, 2014 at 19:17

If anyone is still checking in, I went out on-line and searched the King County (and adjoining counties/municipality) records today. I couldn’t find any Bill/William Price in their incarceration records (it’s all on-line).

Unless his case is in a jurisdiction that I didn’t check he should have shown up if that is the fate that has befallen him.

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Keoni Galt January 4, 2014 at 09:57

Thanks, 3D. I checked out the King County register as well. No dice.

Maybe Bill went expat…just hope he goes to a country that doesn’t have an extradition agreement with the US.

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gender foreigner January 4, 2014 at 19:23

Dear Lord Valtrex January 1, 2014 at 09:17:

Great post. Thank you very much. :)

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Lynn January 6, 2014 at 02:20

Dire Badger –
Now I feel stilted, I missed the memo on the 7 years of leisure.
So rather than synthetic vs natural, you’re framing it as sustainable vs unsustainable.
But it’s not a given that sustainable = postitive effect on humanity vs unsustainable = negative effect. You’ve already mentioned the big exception that first came to mind (slavery). Furthermore, homosexual/lesbian couples don’t fit into that dichotomy. You’re right, they don’t reproduce, but they work, produce, pay taxes, add to the economy. As do women who don’t marry and quit their jobs. There are plenty of people having babies, our population won’t hurt from an excess of LGBT couples.
And no, I won’t re-post on Jezebel. It’s not exactly my favorite stomping ground. They’ve got too much fluff for my taste.

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Dire Badger January 6, 2014 at 15:37

Lynn- would you rather I phrased it as ‘evolutionary/contraevolutionary’? or ‘Fucking evil’? I can.

And, in point of fact, despite the terrified gasping of many politically-correct historians, their blithe assurances that ‘a slave economy cannot compete with a free economy’ is only true in the case of a an entirely captive economy, such as a ‘controlled’, ‘nationalised’, or ‘socialised’ economy. A healthy slave sector in an otherwise free economy can, and indeed does, meet and dramatically exceed a totally free, socialized, or managed economy.

The south lost the civil war… not due to slavery (The entire northern industrialization effort was born on the backs of people that were effectively slaves) but because the northern machine was industrialized, and had greater resources than the south…which placed a paramount on individuality and liberty with the exception of the slave sector.

To be utterly factual, reducing half of the population of this country to slave status (the female half) would have a massive net positive effect on our country’s economy. And based on popular female literature such as ’50 shades of grey’ and the largest paperback sales by far, bodice-ripper style romances, it would likely dramatically increase female happiness as well.

but ouch, the shitstorm admitting such a thing would cause among the professional victim class…especially since, in point of fact, women have made themselves even more slaves already than any man ever has.

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Lynn January 7, 2014 at 08:46

Evolutionary/contra would work, I guess. But humans have evolved past the need of a nuclear family to reproduce. So no, that’s a good dichotomy either.
Evil? That’s just your opinion.

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Lynn January 7, 2014 at 08:50

I should edit, evolved past needing a man and woman to copulate. A nuclear family is a construct, only the norm for a period of time, and in certain civilizations. We evolved to use it, we’re evolving past needing its existence. It’s certainly an option though.

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Lynn January 7, 2014 at 09:43

Again edit: we’ve evolved past needing a man and a woman to copulate for reproduction. Whew!

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Dire Badger January 7, 2014 at 22:59

Sure, keep selling that lie to yourself. since, of course, theres no possibility whatsoever that nature might have known what it was doing, or that we might actually need it again. Your ‘futuristic’ socialism has brought endless poverty, near-universal unhappiness, mass social displacement and endless crime, an entire generation of boys who do not understand how to keep the system going, a generation of girls too stupid not to walk through dark alleys drunk and half-naked, and a debt spiral so bad that in less than three years the entire GDP of our country will be unable to pay the INTEREST on the money our government has borrowed to keep dumbasses like you from facing cold reality.

I have trouble understanding how some people actually BELIEVE that shite.

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Lynn January 12, 2014 at 21:54

You say shite in Canada? I thought that was just British.

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Dire Badger January 14, 2014 at 23:41

I say Shite in America. call it an affectation.

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