It’s odd that the drone debate has only now come up given that drones have been used domestically for quite a while. They are operated by DHS to patrol the border, and in one 2011 case a drone was used to facilitate the arrest of a North Dakota farmer for neglecting to report stray cattle to authorities.
Court records state that last June, six cows wandered onto Brossart’s 3,000 acre farm, about 60 miles west of Grand Forks. Brossart allegedly refused to return the cows, which led to a long, armed standoff with the Grand Forks police department. At some point during the standoff, Homeland Security, through an agreement with local police, offered up the use of an unmanned predator drone, which “was used for surveillance,” according to the court documents.
Grand Forks SWAT team chief Bill Macki said in an interview that the drone was used to ensure Brossart and his family members, who were also charged, didn’t leave the farm and were unarmed during the arresting raid.
So yes, drones are already being used domestically. The Brossart case cannot be the only one (cooperation between DHS and local police is well known and openly discussed in border regions), but it was ignored because he’s a hick farmer, and those people don’t matter in the NY Times or on network television.
However, now that urban police departments have begun to order drones, suddenly the literati are starting to talk about them. City people might find themselves being videotaped by sneaky little drones while sparking up a joint in their apartment in a vibrant neighborhood. Maybe a tryst with an underage male prostitute, ordinarily ignored by police, might be caught on tape. It’s pretty scary stuff!
But never fear, Vanguard Defense Industries, manufacturer of the Shadow Hawk helicopter drone, assures us that the drones will be used for uquestionable scenarios, like domestic violence policing:
A ShadowHawk® can maintain aerial surveillance of an area (i.e. house, vehicle, person, etc.) at 700 feet without being heard or seen unlike full sized aircraft. Imagine the advantage provided to an entry team in the following scenarios; high risk warrant, hostage rescue, domestic violence, etc.
Quite clever of the manufacturer. I’m sure the company understands that at least 51% of all citizens will support almost any violation of civil liberties and the Constitution so long as it involves “protecting women.”
Nevermind the fact that spying on people suspected of domestic violence is possibly the most covenient of all excuses for violating privacy (all the police have to say is that “a neighbor reported an argument”) — if it is intended to prevent violence against women it’s all for the best.
The crusade against domestic violence along with the war on drugs has provided more justifications for permanently shredding constitutional rights than anything in history. Before these campaigns, only wars were used in this manner, but wars are by their nature temporary. The war on drugs and the war against domestic violence are eternal. They will never end, and they will continuously justify more intrusions into the private lives of citizens.
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The war on terror has done its share too.
Wow.
Too bad hipster libtards can’t put two and two together about the erosion of their civil liberties and privacy, even though drones are starting to affect them as well.
Notice how when a conservative has an opposing view of a libtard, the only insult the libtard can come up with for the person who doesn’t agree with him or her is that the conservative is “stupid.” One would think that libtards would be more creative and diverse in coming up with epithets for the people who don’t agree with them.
Oh and Bradely, if you comment on Mr. Rodney Brossart’s plight, please tell us how “he had a lot of power,” and how “he was giving women a lot of crap,” to paraphrase your own comments?
Cue the crickets
I welcome our all-seeing winged overlords. As they’re marketed more aggressively to local police forces, prices will come down and used drones will be sold on eBay. Pretty soon, urban gangs will have their own drones watching the cops and spying on each other. Inner-city morgues will see bodies with a single bullet hole in the top of the head, killed either by drones or by bullets fired at drones. When these drones upgrade to color video, red and blue do-rags will quickly go out of style.
We should be used to feminist drones . There auto droning goes on Forever . Blah blah blah blah blah .
Bradely hasn’t given any examples of where Mr. Brossart had a lot of power (ie, more power than a majority of women) or how Mr. Brossart gave women a lot of crap (ie, a majority of said women lacking any power).
I’d like to see Bradely try to back up his own assertions.
A Reaper drone costs $28 million; one Hellfire missile (Lockheed Martin/Raytheon) costs about $70,000; one Paveway bomb (Lockheed Martin/Raytheon) about $20,000. The total cost of one weapons load for a Reaper – four Hellfire/ two Paveway – is at least $320,000, a third of a million dollars. US taxpayers will have invested about $11.8 billion in Reapers over the life of its program, which began in
2001 and will extend for at least several more years. The 2012 Department of Defense budget sets aside
$1.069 billion for Reapers. The Air Force is believed to have about 60 Reapers with plans to build a total of about 330.
The sad part is an American Eletromechanical tech with parts from a local PLC shop and some Grocery store scanners can shot a drown down with ease .
Some projectile Information and a little tracking and picture recognition will be needed but , all in all its not real hard to figure out .
I would not worry about the Liberals or any ghost under your bed , Americans are smarter then the average bear .
You second amd, Rights and freedom of speech will protect you from any threat foreign or domestic .
Listen I can track a yellow M&M down a line of about 6 million M&Ms and blow it out with a puff of air into my mouth . Imagine what I can do If attacked .
Corporate dictatorship. The government will use taxpayers’ money to buy drones to spy on those same taxpayers.
I think the drone debate is heating up over whether or not they will be used to execute people on US soil.
Senator Rand Paul began a nearly 13 hour speaking filibuster against President Obama’s nominee to lead the CIA with this statement-
“I rise today to begin to filibuster John Brennan’s nomination for the C.I.A.” … “I will speak as long as it takes, until the alarm is sounded from coast to coast that our Constitution is important, that your rights to trial by jury are precious, that no American should be killed by a drone on American soil without first being charged with a crime, without first being found to be guilty by a court.”
The question is: does the 4th amendment matter? I think it should.
Like the heat seeking devices used another major U.S. Supreme Court cases, it appears to me that the use of a drone at 700 feet or less above ground would require a warrant, particularly if the police are looking into a home.
The next question will be whether private citizens can use drones to spy on a potentially cheating partner.
The answer to this ought to be “yes”- if you’re stupid enough to have a tryst in the home where your family (and the spouse you’re married to) lives, you ought not to have much expectation of privacy in that behavior, particularly if it’s your own spouse (as opposed to the police) spying on you.
Government does bad shit to own people, why am I surprised? Or not really.
So now I’ve got to worry about drones and such if I have the need to physically chastize my wife on her backside, eh?
This is getting too damn futuristic.
Great lede: Nothing says freedom of speech like pulling a fire alarm.
http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/03/08/why-womens-studies-needs-an-extreme-makeover/
If their serious about the war on drugs then they should arrest a bag of pot and lock it up in a police cell.
They will never stop. Like the end of all wars, us veterans are coming back and looking for work; and there are certain types who know that they will not survive without some sort of government job or handout.
Also, without a war on terror, these companies, and their operators of all these UAVs need work to maintain business, and paychecks. So, the DHS comes up with more scenarios to drum up support on the home front so we don’t scrap their precious UAVs. So now, we have predators and reapers roaming the sky above our heads; and their police force lackeys are now getting excited to have this tech themselves.
Thus, they keep making advancements to these drones, and wait for the next big war to make bank off of. Then the federal sized players will leave! Not the local police!
By that point, the local police might have some mini sized predator style drones. If that does not let you know how a police state forms itself nothing will. Since the Middle East is no longer that big for business, or is dwindling in business; these business competitors have to find a place to stay and be relevant.
Congratulations, like I said a week ago; we American Men, AKA terrorists now, are who they are offering to train on while waiting for their next big break. AKA war.
To whet your apetite, here are three tips from people with experience in countering drones. Follow the link to see all 22 tips.
“3 – Spreading the reflective pieces of glass on a car or on the roof of the building.
“4 – Placing a group of skilled snipers to hunt the drone, especially the reconnaissance ones because they fly low, about six kilometers or less.
“5 – Jamming of and confusing of electronic communication using the ordinary water-lifting dynamo fitted with a 30-meter copper pole…”
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_international/_pdfs/al-qaida-papers-drones.pdf
Why couldn’t a wealthy private individual or corporation build its own drones?
I tend to agree with joeb and Anon7. There’s nothing, other than anime/furry porn and mmorpgs, that a bored geek teen is more drawn to than cracking The Man’s technology.
First one to jailbreak and take control of an armed drone wins the internet! Bonus for shooting up a petting zoo.
The brute force counters .. dumb mini-missile salvo batteries, or guided? Beam weapons? All remote activated, of course. Leave those to the tin-foil/beard/Montana crew.
I got this comment from this web page titled: Viewpoint: What if women ruled the world?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21661744
One comment made caught me attentioin:
“In response to a journalist who asked me a few months ago about women’s strength in times of crisis, I smiled and said that if Lehman Brothers had been Lehman Sisters, today’s economic crisis clearly would look quite different”
- Christine Lagarde – Head of the IMF.
I will repeat what I said before. Women have no logical skill and should not be in any position of power.
The stupid Lagarde bitch does not get it at all. A lot of men in power don’t get either but they understand that the crise has nothing to do with gender.
There is a possible upside to this. If a drone is capturing video surveillance of a domestic violence situation, then there would be video evidence if, for example, the woman started it or if domestic violence actually happened at all.
Imagine if video from drones about domestic violence situations got leaked to the internet that showed lots of examples of men who were arrested for DV, but didn’t actually do it or were just defending themselves against their wives/girlfriends who were attacking them. It would be a powerful and irrefutable argument for mens rights.
“Notice how when a conservative has an opposing view of a libtard, the only insult the libtard can come up with for the person who doesn’t agree with him or her is that the conservative is “stupid.””
@geographybeefinalisthimself — Why would they bother? Conservatives don’t matter in this country anymore and aren’t worth any more than an unthinking, off-hand dismissal.
On topic: Theory is that DV is used to justify privacy erosion. I’m not so sure that that is true. Perhaps privacy erosion is a given that doesn’t require justification. DV is just a dastardly way of implementing what TPTB have decided. It is an important distinction, because it means that concepts such as the Rule of Law and Consent of the Governed have been formally abandoned — as it appears that they have been. I have no doubt that use of drones in any arena, isn’t a function of popular demand. Their very existence justifies their use. Deployment in DV scenarios would happen even if NOW, The Urban League, The NEA, and AFL-CIO all screamed in unison against them. Power has a new way of attacking the powerless, so it WILL be used. Justification be damned.
While people may find all sorts of creative ways to defeat drones, nobody will ever actually use them. They are either too cowardly, enlisted in the service of power, or too accustomed to being chattel. The cost? They are free. To get more all they need to do is pull either tax money or slave labor out of the asses of the meek, compliant and unborn.
Can that go on forever? Sure it can. TPTB say it can and anyone who denies it will be hit with a drone strike.
Hmm? A drone used to arrest a farmer for straying cattle, but not jail time for bankers selling mortgage backed insecurities, MF Global, Benghazi, Fast n Furious gun running. Yet the USSA wants to disarm citizens to protect themselves.
We’ll soon be wearing Google glasses and be able to record them right back. Then challenge them for unconstitutional snooping.
Also wearing google glasses or similar body mounted I.T. guys will be able to record their girlfriends,wives, female co-workers, female bosses etc committing acts of domestic violence against them in real time, instantly uploadable to anywhere 24/7/365.
Bring it on fembos.
Dear Pro-male/Anti-feminist Tech March 10, 2013 at 11:32:
Your point is well taken and I thank you for it. However, one is dealing with the Feminist Socialist Reich. No good intent exists in it to exercise YOUR good intent (and not its). One must keep in mind, it’s a frauenreich.
Remember that women don’t value freedom, or any other rights that exist in the Constitutions of most first-world countries.
Women prefer socialism over capitalism, since women are usually the recipients of money under socialism.
Women prefer an oligarchy over capitalism/free markets, since under an oligarchy, the ‘top’ doesn’t have much turnover. It is a lot easier for women to decide who to get impregnated by, in an oligarchy/aristocracy. In a free-market capitalist system, there is a lot of turnover in who is at the top. The top man today may not be the top man 10 years from now. That transfers the risk of deciding who to reproduce with onto the woman, which they don’t like.
I agree with PM/AFT.
A lot of child abuse done by women will also be caught on video (women do in fact conduct the majority of child abuse).
And while there will not be activism in favor of Men’s Rights over just that, the myth that women don’t abuse children, will be shattered.
A rare positive article from CNN about men acting honorably in combat situations:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/living/higher-call-military-chivalry/index.html
Ironically, the comments have degenerated into a debate about the use of drones in war.
” The war on drugs and the war against domestic violence are eternal”
It is cyclical, the USSA, cannot possibly survive long term. It will end, as will all this wimmins nonsense, they are unsustainable, they sow the seeds of their own destruction.
The believers will keep beating the drum of the drug wars, the war on teh wimminz, the war on teh poverty, the war on teh illitracy,etc, etc………….I have become deaf to their ‘bleats’, and could care less for their causes.
The state is the enemy.
Bush captured terrorists, tortured information out of them and sent them to Gitmo for life.
Obama vaporizes them and whoever they’re with from the sky, and he wins a Nobel Peace Prize. And when he does capture one, he tries them in our criminal court system.
I’m uncomfortable with expanding the use of drones, but I don’t think it’s valid to lump that in with the poorly named War on Drugs. If we are largely a group of people who want to see genuine improvement in society for the good of ourselves and our kids, there’s really only one side to take when it comes to illegal drugs.
I’m not sure if the link will work, but I believe the argument put forward by Dalrymple is only weakened by my feebly trying to add to it:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/7_2_a1.html
A brief quote, and one that I think many here will understand: “The present situation is bad, undoubtedly; but few are the situations so bad that they cannot be made worse by a wrong policy decision.”
(Anyone who doesn’t want to bother to read the whole article, would be well served to scroll down and read the last 6 paragraphs.)
I understand that there are many who want to see collapse and rebuilding from the ashes, so societal decay is probably not something they want to stop. I remain ever hopeful of even modest improvement, as I usually do after the weekends when I’ve enjoyed some time with my young son.
Norm Said
Hmm? A drone used to arrest a farmer for straying cattle, but not jail time for bankers selling mortgage backed insecurities, MF Global, Benghazi, Fast n Furious gun running. Yet the USSA wants to disarm citizens to protect themselves.
Right on the Money norm .Americans are losing there Houses , Fems have a section of Government Now . Every Government retard we have elected , Looks the other way . While Foreign Governments suggest we Need to give a little more .
This arms race with the American People is lunacy . I think we are at the point when Americans men need to do some pruning .
I never worry about Washington I worry about the Mindless City Government Jack offs that keep taking Houses from old people .
These are the truly stupid people . The farther we prune the tree back the less chance of the tree damaging your house . Worry about those Creepy City and state Megalomaniacs . These are the people that if they get there filth hand on spy ware They use it to spy on the Neighbor whose Dog shit in his tree lawn .
This is the Problem with the Homeland security act . They give power to John dildo witch wheels it to get back at every perceived enemy up in that severely damaged Mellon he calls a brain .
Many of the men in Gitmo were guilty only of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some of them were hapless nobodies sold to the CIA by Afghan warlords interested only in collecting a reward. Bush was too embarrassed to admit that Gitmo was one big pantomime and so many innocent men were incarcerated without trial before being quietly released a decade later.
Gitmo’s a national embarrassment but it serves the interests of the military industrial complex.
Red pill all the way, baby.
I wonder how difficult it would be to take some off the shelf RC technology, fit it with simple computer logic, and use that to obtain a kinetic impact event on the smaller RPV’s? Hover your 4-rotor 700 feet over Bob the Nerd’s house, and suddenly it has an impact & drops to the ground.
Women do quite well under tyranny. Make no mistake: that is what we now have. Although it is 21st century style – tyranny through technology. Tech has made privacy impossible and is used to destroy rights.
Feminists are the new Nazis; Men the new Jews; Drones the newest tool for use in the concentration camp.
I thought some of you might want to witness the cracks in the feminist dream.
“Former CFO Erin Callan Regrets Not Having Children, Reignites Work-Life Balance Debate”
http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/former-cfo-erin-callan-regrets-not-having-children–reignites-work-life-balance-debate-194956243.html
actually, you can wreck them with a laser pointer, a car battery, and about 20o feet of exposed copper wiring. Or a high-powered hunting rifle like a 40.06 with custom (heavy) grain load.
Frankly, if I find such a thing over my property I won’t hesitate to take the shot. I have never been served a search warrant, and never willingly submitted to surveillance. Electronic surveillance without a warrant is illegal, and I will happily use the destroyed carcass as proof when I press my state senator to sue the federal government for illegal surveillance.
From the article: “high risk warrant, hostage rescue, domestic violence”
One of these things is not like the others.
“Former CFO Erin Callan Regrets Not Having Children, Reignites Work-Life Balance Debate”
As if sitting in an office, getting e-mails, answering the phone and going to meetings is “work”. These executive level types have a staff and tell other people to “work” all day. They deal with the politics of the Board of Directors and “messaging” to the investment community.
The middle-management people they boss around have all the stress on them to “get things done” with limited power. If Mizz Sandberg was so busy managing her “work-life balance” at Facebook, how she find the time to write a book about it, publicize it, etc.?
In Encorpera everyone is BUSY; coming in early, staying late, luncheons, travel, reports, meetings, conferences, etc. – – but very few are actually producing anything worthwhile. They’re managing how others perceive them, which is a constant and exhausting job.
The reason why the Marissa Mayer, Sheryl Sandberg, et al debate doesn’t resonate with average working women is because these elitist types don’t have to do the things the “unwashed masses” do.
They have personal assistants that manage a staff of house cleaners, landscapers, etc. They have people who grocery shop for them, pick up dry cleaning, cook for them, do laundry, make the beds, pick up the kids at the local Montesorri school, pay bills, etc. IOW they do very little domestic work, they don’t “keep house”. To hear them whine about how difficult it is for them is ridiculous to most women. They were CHOSEN early in their careers to be capable, well-spoken, attractive token females that wouldn’t cause any trouble – they’ve all risen on the coat-tails of what men had originally accomplished.
Former CFO Erin Callan, Marissa Mayer, Sheryl Sandberg, Meeeeeshell Obummer, et al….
Can go eff themselves……..grrrrls like that, to the curb, beotches get money, somewhere else……..MenZ Rules
I was going to bring up the Mirissa Mayers thing but I’m not quite sure how to spin it , Most of the pages she shut down lately are men’s sports and community pages , The low bar was It was taken over by pedophiles and creeps .
The reality is men’s chat was replaced with female version of low bar semi insults and pleasant talk about shoe shopping .
If you look at the Yahoo pages with some criticism . Its become clear they are marketing for the eropian feminist ero trash feminist page .
All you get from Yahoo was she all for God family and yahoo.
You can’t get much of any view of Mayers her self she seems to have the best cleanup people money can buy . But actions speak loader then words and Mayers has began to move Yahoo into a new Feminist market where shoes and new slut dress sales will rule .
The are shutting down meeting places for men the same way they did in the real America ,
@ Jean Valjean
I read the link you just provided.
I do not feel any pity for Erin Callan.
My well of pity for any woman at this point has completely dried up. She wants us to play her a violin for her self-inflicted wounds. I hope she is unable to conceive a child via in vitro fertilization.
This Erin Callan , Post really bothers me because this is just what men have been going throw for hundreds of years .
The”He neglected me he went to work ‘ bullshit .
This just might be the proof positive women can never handle the duty’s of work and Family the same as men do and to do it with ease while claiming these things to be rewarding .
I did 60 plus hours a week for 20 years , Only to find my wife sleeping around
Now for some reason we have to realize the work load pushed on us Men for years is a heavy one , We men know this Now ( sarcasm ) Just because some women for the first time in recorded history have had to sacrifice for mankind .
We have to come up with flexible hours . Home work programs . Free nanny services and retirement with a gold lining never seen in the post feminist idea that work was some big party .
My EX and I swear to God thought We stand around in the mill and drink bear and play cards . Music blaring” all the guys in the house Get youall hands in the air ” Whopp Whopp.
This all comes from the image some fucking Regan republican Union buster gets when told by his two Moms that dads in the mill Partying and has little care for his family .
Every single time I herd that non sense in the 80s and 90s I wanted to shove a hammer down the idiots mouth . I know some salesmen type male working at the Mall can’t phantom the Horrors of a steel mill or a forging shop but running the mouth like some bitch has got men in the pickle we seem to be in Now .
This women just echoes what men have been saying for years”its no bed of roses in my shoes what to try them on .
And still want the rewards but, can’t do the work . Ha fuck shit guys every men gets a personal assistant when you decide the barrel of oil is to heavy the move call the personal assistant .
Heck what race can we dehumanize to fill them shoes . For women like this we can bring back Slavery .
DW3: “If we are largely a group of people who want to see genuine improvement in society for the good of ourselves and our kids, there’s really only one side to take when it comes to illegal drugs.”
Yup, we have to legalize them. Well, we do if you believe in liberty and controlling your own body. I see Dalrymple and your points DW3, but I think you’re both wrong. Oregon in 2006 made it a requirement to get a prescription for sudafed aka cold meds that work. All to stem the tide of meth makers locally. Supposedly its worked, except meth is still available in the state, apparently at low prices. Its just trucked in from Mexico super labs or elsewhere. But hey, less kids were getting blown up in local meth labs and no nasty clean up costs. Its all for the children.
For law abiding, peaceable citizens of Oregon who want to fight a cold/sinus issues though, the price and effort to get that help went up 3-5 times. Whether I go to a local clinic hoping for quick service or make an appointment with my doc (day wait minimum), its going to cost me at least $40-60 to get the prescription and the first box/dosage of sudafed. It is cheaper/quicker for me to drive up to WA (140 miles round trip) and buy it there, giving up my ID so they can track me via the federal purchase limit. Thats even with gas at $3.50/gal in a truck.
Many, if not most drug laws do nothing to solve problems in our society. Dalyrmple citing humanity’s centuries (its millenia) usage of alcohol as somehow different is a cop out. Alcohol leads to more deaths and social problems every year than the hard core narcotics.
Now,
Some may think this is not a true story,
But no shit, It is.
My buddy locked his girlfriend out after she came home from a “girls night out” at 7 in the morning after convieniently leaving her phone off from midnight on.
It’s his townhouse so he locked the door and she did not have a key to get back in. So she called the cops and said she needs to get inside the house so she could go to sleep.
Cops come, he opens the door and explains what happened, (tells them to fuck off) and since she is not on the lease SHE could go fuck herself for all he cares.
Guess what happened?
He got arrested for domestic violence, (menacing) (for not opening the door) and emotional DV…….whatever the shit that is. After telling them they can’t arrest him……they tasered his ass and then cuffed him.
Now. He gets thrown into the car……she gets the keys to the house and the cops tell her to go immediatly to the courthouse and get a restraing order. He spends the ENIRE day and night in jail……goes in front of the Judge the next morning and is presented with the “order of protection”…..(for all you novices out there…..that means he can’t come near this sneaky bitch)……(even though it’s his house)……..(even though all he did was lock her out)…….
The bitch has his townhouse, everything in it and the people that live there say she has had a couple of parties there since.
That’s a lesson for you boys and girls.
ANYTHING is DV…………..ANYTHING.
Walk on eggshells if your in a relationship with someone who has a vagina. Otherwise your FUCKED if you even give her one of those “angry stares”……..Yes, an “Angry Stare” is now DV.
If you get caught up into the system……you will NEVER be able to own a firearm and your chances of employment are fucked right along with the rest of your life.
Jesus.
This shit is getting out of hand.
Bizzman welcome to our world .
A good friend during these time is the differences between him failing and him moving forward .
MTGOW live it . MRA practice it every day