Some moderns may be shocked and confused to hear it, but gay marriage was very much a part of life for homosexuals long before the sham marriages that are being “legalized” in liberal American states and European countries became a popular political cause (despite not being so popular with male homosexuals themselves).
In fact, until some 50 years ago most homosexuals were married. It just happened that they married someone of the opposite sex.
Nowadays, this practice is returning as more and more single women find themselves approaching the end of viable fertility without a love partner, and homosexual men find themselves longing for the fulfillment of fatherhood. This kind of arrangement, not uncommon in the past, has been around since the beginning of history. Although not perfect, it is hardly worse than many straight marriages (and maybe more stable so long as both parties are fully informed), and far better for children than fooling them by saying they have “two mommies” or “two daddies.”
Presenting an alternative to surrogacy, adoption or simple sperm donation, sites like PollenTree.com, Coparents.com, and MyAlternativeFamily.com, as well as Modamily and Co-ParentMatch, are quickly growing in popularity.
David Arrick and Heidi Sadowsky, are also a couple who both wanted children, but didn’t want each other. Their solution was to have the child together and co-parent, without any romantic relationship.
The two had been friends for 20 years; Mr Arrick is gay and Ms Sadowsky never met a man she wanted to have children with, so the two agreed to have a child of their own, Nate, without the need for romance.
‘This is someone I have known for a very, very long time, that I trust, and I love,’ said Mr Arrick on the Today show.
‘We feed and love and clothe and shelter him. The fact that we’re not married, it’s not a big deal.
‘The biggest challenge is that we have separate households, so it takes a lot of communicating. You need to really be on the same page,’ he said.
Ms Sadowsky added: ‘I really wanted my child to have two parents. And I wanted to share the responsibility of raising a child with somebody.
Some people might want to criticize the above parents, but Ms. Sadowsky is far better than a woman who shoves the child’s father out of the child’s life following divorce. Mr. Arrick is to be commended, too, for raising his own child in a cooperative manner, and allowing him to have both a mother and father. That they are not a “love” couple may not be ideal, but it is second best, and much better than a number of other arrangements.
Children do best with both a mother and a father. It’s how nature designed us, so sometimes I’m quite confused by how leftists will vigorously protest GMO foods and then turn around and pretend that two men or two women can both be one child’s parents. If a child has a mother, that child also has a father, and vice versa. This is, at its root, my objection to gay marriage. It denies the natural, biological basis of parenthood, and by extension of marriage. If two women can be “mothers” of a child, then the biological father is meaningless. Some feminists may accept this without question, but I wonder, is this how most sperm donor children feel about it? Evidently not:
A letter to Dad on Father’s Day
Father’s Day 2012
Dear Dad,I often wonder who you are. What is your name? Are you even still alive? The immutable power of these eternally unanswerable questions gradually consumes my soul. I will never know if I have ever unknowingly passed you in the street, or exchanged a sideways glance with your uncannily familiar brown eyes. In my mind’s stagnant whirlpool you are my flawless ideal of a father, yet in the clarity of reality you are no more than a perfect stranger. Simply the pleasure of knowing you exist somewhere in this universe does not bandage the wound of your absence.
I often wonder who I am. My family tree is severed in two- I am denied your half, its branches rich and strong with stories I will never be told. I wander aimlessly, never truly knowing the roots of my heritage, my nationality ambiguous and fluid. ‘Caucasian’, the sheet stated. This is a broad term that does not define anything…
[...]
I just want you to know, that whoever you are, wherever you are, and whatever you are doing, you are my father. The privilege of knowing who you are, of knowing who my family is, would place the missing piece that completes my existence. For now, though, and perhaps forever, I just wish.
{ 49 comments… read them below or add one }
I would only support this arrangement after seeing how Nate (and other children of these co-parenting arrangements) feels over the course of his life; I think he will get bullied over this and he will probably resent his co-parents over this.
I would not want to have had (granted my father is still alive at sixty-three):
1) a father who had a homosexual extramarital affair (this would render my mother, not that I love her or anything, unable to donate blood);
2) a father who came out of the closet after a divorce (this would also render my mother unable to donate blood);
3) one gay man/two gay men raise me from my birth;
4) be a foster child to one gay man/two gay men; or
5) be adopted by one gay man/two gay men
I would not want to have been raised by lesbians either, but if my mother cheated on my father with another woman he would still be able to donate blood. If my mother came out after a divorce my father would also still be able to donate blood.
The only way I would be fine with a same-sex attracted father is if he had denied gratification and delayed gratification of same-sex sexual activity until after becoming a widower (assuming he was never divorced).
When I was in Mali in the fall of 2001, the family I stayed with did not like the fact that my mother is seven months older than my father, but they got over it quickly. They also did not approve of the fact that three of my aunts and one of my uncles have been divorced. One of these aunts and the aforementioned uncle are married to each other. One of the other aforementioned aunts got remarried in 2010. The third aunt has not remarried.
This is a country where upwards of 95 percent of the population disapproves of any homosexuality and southpaws eating with their left hands or handing objects to another person with their left hand (I’m a southpaw myself). I cannot imagine having to explain to my family there an arrangement similar to that of Nate in the article above.
You’d think they would care enough about their children to live as a family in the same house, but yes, this is a much more stable environment than those provided by far too many non-married parents.
And the elephant still lurks under the rug. For whatever reasons, a fair number of women do find men “worth marrying” after they have stopped “looking.” How many of these women will keep their commitments to Daddy and to their children, when there’s a wonderful new step-daddy in the picture?
It’s a strong point. Somehow the culture has absorbed the notion that parents must be under the love illusion before their progeny can be legitimate, but it is about as necessary as Latin.
Nature makes no such demand. All it takes is a male and a female. The ‘same-sex marriage’ debate is really about the law demanding that marriage be a function of ‘looove’ rather than a function of basic natural fact. As soon as we quit the notion that love means anything, and accept that children can only come about because a man and a woman did the nasty, the more laughable tho whole issue appears.
That’s the problem, the assumption of permanence.
I’ve had friends for 20 years, that I was close to and went through hell with, with whom I no longer communicate. 18 years is a long time to assume you’re going to be able to maintain some casual understanding based on how things are going now. I think it’s reckless to produce a child within such a loosely-defined arrangement. Too many things can change.
It also makes legal issues difficult, as much of family law is based on a common understanding of traditional values/roles. I highly doubt even a contract would hold in court, should such a couple ever have a falling out.
Man+Woman > same-sex couple > single parent by choice > foster care > kid alone on the street. (Factor abortion into the equation as you will.)
Man + Woman is indisputably necessary for procreation, and is the “gold standard” of parenting for human beings. Absent artifice, the concept of “gay parenting” is oxymoronic. It is in no way “hateful” or “homophobic” to point out these natural facts.
Even if one can accept gay parenting as a possible alternative, it still degrades the unique, life-creating male-female relationship to dictate, as a matter of law, that same-sex coupling is, in every way, just as good and valuable to society. It is not — even if it is not considered a “bad” thing.
To illustrate, the person who gets the silver medal in the Olympics is to be commended, yes, but should not be lauded to the same extent as the gold medal-winning champion. That sort of thing should be relegated to the Special Olympics, and not imposed on us by the social engineers who increasingly control our lives.
Domestic partnership laws provide all of the same legal benefits to gay couples as marriage does to hetero couples. You may recall that there was relatively little controversy when those laws began to emerge. But that wasn’t good enough! No, nothing else than mandatory tolerance and acceptance will do!
Like feminism, which benefits a few privileged women and on balance causes detriment to most women, the state’s imposition of gay “marriage” will benefit only a relatively few gays, and will be responsible, in my opinion, for a level of animosity toward gays that would not otherwise exist.
Does gay “marriage” threaten the already-eroding institution of male-female marriage upon which every healthy society depends? Yes, by sending the message that there is nothing special, nor particularly valuable, about a man and woman getting married. If that is true, then why bother at all?
It is still her child. sany time she wants she can move start fucking some gina tingler and send you a child support bill.
The best deal would be to co parent with a terminally ill woman. When she dies you have a child that will always be your child.
I had the same thought exactly. The man – gay in this case – is signing up to be a divorced father without enjoying any of the (couple of years of) pleasure that goes with marriage.
Yup, straight to the no sex, only see the child if mom allows it, on the hook for eighteen years (or more) of child support part. What. A. Deal.
More insanity from the same article: “Ms Sadowsky never met a man she wanted to have children with…..” This is hypergamy run amok. What it means is the men she met who she would have had children with were uninterested in having children with her.
And also: “An increasing number of childless men and women, who are finding themselves single at 40, are now pairing up to build families, minus any romance.” In a sane world 40 year old men and women are parenting teenagers.
And this: “The parents live in the same house in Omaha, Nebraska, however they each also hope to have romantic relationships later on, so there is the possibility of getting their own places. For now, however, they say their focus is on their daughter.”
I want to shake that (gay Australian) dude. What were you thinking! It’s HER baby! You’re just a sperm donor that was dumb enough to sign up to pay her child-rearing expenses. You’re a moron!!!
Greyghost & Chalres Martel are right ….
Why does this sound like a thinly veiled man up & pay some womans child support ….
Also why is W.F Price trying to say this is a stable environment …
A father & mother who live in seperate homes … the child ‘s divorced before he was ever born …
Stable my ass …
Off Topic
I’ve been trying to stomach some of the ____ that President Obama has been spewing during his State of the Union address. When he made a series of references recommiting himself to eliminating the discrimination against women, girls and female babies in the Feminist States of America, I was yet again, enraged by his hate against the male race.
No doubt whatsoever, my life-long victimhood by Affirmative Action and all the discrimination against men, boys and male babies which I’ve observed, accounted, opposed and experienced is the basis of such.
It hurts so much when your father and mother support Obama’s hateful commitments KNOWING that their son is the victim of such ever augmentatively. The day that parents will love their sons and justice has not arrived.
If correction doesn’t happen within the system (as I continue to try to make it), no doubt it will come against the system. Such is one of the repeated lessons of history. Justice will be outsourced as the dysfunction of the criminal Feminist society and state criminally refuse to allow or foster its insourcing.
May the God of Abrham, Isaach and Jacob judge Obama, Biden, etc. harshly here below and forever more.
Troy McClure tried this gambit with Homer Simpson’s sister-in-law Selma in hopes of resurrecting his moribund acting career, but it was short-lived.
This should serve as a warning to any gay men who attempt this maneuver.
As a divorced guy who got exactly that kind of deal, I’m still happy on the balance because of the kids. I know this is how they get you, but sometimes you just have to take the loss. I’m fighting the inherent injustice with everything I can, but I’m not going to blame a guy for having children in a less-than-ideal situation.
I think it would be a lot easier for a gay man who had a kid with a woman to deal with family court, because he wouldn’t be emotionally tied up with the mother. If she went after him, all he’d have to do would be stick to his guns and say “I’m the kid’s father.” None of the typical accusations of abuse would hold as much weight, so it wouldn’t be as hard for him as an ordinary straight male.
I’m not saying it’s better overall, but it certainly wouldn’t be more difficult in a custody dispute, because the only issue would be time and money. For those of us who are straight, there’s so much more they can use against us.
Perhaps Cameron is hoping that gays will revive marriage the way they did musical theatre. Anyway, I am sure that the new bill will be debated fairly and without acrimony when it’d considered by the men in dresses at the House of Lords.
One thing that is certainly different from the UK when compared to the US is the number of openly gay conservative politicians. It does help keep the level of acrimony down.
If gays want to be as miserable as everyone else, so be it!
“It is still her child. sany time she wants she can move start fucking some gina tingler and send you a child support bill.”
Yup. Welcome to the married world, sucker– liberals want to extend that to the gay world, too.
You know, Price, you’re a great writer and I have liked your site for years now. I usually just avoid this kind of post entirely. But for some reason, tonight I just can’t help but weigh in here …
gay marriage was very much a part of life for homosexuals long before the sham marriages that are being “legalized” in liberal American states and European countries became a popular political cause.
Who gives a shit if two gay guys want to get married? Seriously. Who cares?
HAARRRBBLE-YAAAARRBLE! Don’t say “marriage” – that’s not a REAL marriage!!!!
Fine. Fine, whatever you say, it’s not a real marriage. Who gives a shit if two gay guys want to “say” that they’re married? What does that have anything to do with any of the reasons that this site exists?
In fact, until some 50 years ago most homosexuals were married. It just happened that they married someone of the opposite sex
You think that would be better? You’d rather a gay man married a woman, managed to close his eyes and keep himself erect for a few nights to consummate the marriage, and then live the rest of his life in secrecy or denial? Why? Just to punish him? Just to create more kids? You think there aren’t enough kids in the world?
Just FYI, gay men living quietly by themselves with other gay men aren’t creating any of the fucked up kids that keep all you guys holed up in your track-housing suburbs. Like a bunch of fucking pussies.
“Children do best with both a mother and a father. It’s how nature designed us
Obviously, according to you, nature fucked up when she made gay men. So why do gay men owe nature the return favor of pretending to be straight and living through a sham marriage? “Children are owed a father and mother” – WHAT children? The ones that stupid-ass teenage girls are creating? Gay men aren’t creating any children, so what children are you talking about?
Not that my personal situation is relevant, but I’m 100 percent heterosexual and love fucking women. But, fine, if it makes you feel better, say I’m a homo. Fine. Address my points. Who cares if two men want to get married and live by themselves and mind their own business?
I’m quite confused by how leftists will vigorously protest GMO foods and then turn around and pretend that two men or two women can both be one child’s parents
Nothing in the world is more “leftist” than saying “you’re not allowed to go off and mind your own business, even if you’re not hurting anyone. You have to do what we do.” Nothing.
“I think it would be a lot easier for a gay man who had a kid with a woman to deal with family court, because he wouldn’t be emotionally tied up with the mother. ”
He would also be able to play the oppressed minority card.
Who cares if two men want to get married and live by themselves and mind their own business?
That is exactly the problem, that the States does not permit it to remain their own business any more. Demanding my approval and acceptance as well as my support of state gay-friendly programs through taxes the State makes it my business, my responcibility to mage gays happy, with any attempts to decline this honor punishable as a crime.
@W.F. Price
You absolutely MUST check this out:
A free PDF pamphlet by Dr. Frank Turek:
http://impactapologetics.com/the-case-against-same-sex-marriage-without-using-the-bible-pdf-download/
A $5 book by Dr. Turek:
http://impactapologetics.com/correct-not-politically-correct-how-same-sex-marriage-hurts-everyone-pdf-ebook/
You can also get it from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Correct-Politically-Same-Sex-Marriage-Everyone/dp/1607081628/
http://www.amazon.com/Correct-Not-Politically-ebook/dp/B005GM2F3M/
In these Dr. Frank makes a case so solid and powerful against homosexuality that if it were to garner national media attention, it would reverse the national and global discussion about homosexuality and defeat the Left’s narrative of homosexuals as victims and an oppressed minority.
Quite frankly, as an atheist, I’m impressed that such a solid and secular case against homosexuality came from a Christian apologetic. I came across it when I was making my own research for a book I was writing (or going to write, anyways) presenting a secular case against homosexuality and homosexual marriage. After I was initially impressed and thrilled with my find, I was later bummed out to find that someone had already beat me to it. A christian beat an atheist to making a secular case against homosexuality… fuck!
Please share the shit out of these, with other Christian/Conservative and even MRA bloggers. Share them with bloggers, RL friends, your priest / local church… and tell them to do the same. Send them to Fox News, conservative radio hosts, other conservative media outlets…
Every blogger/commenter should go around pasting those links in comments to homosexuality-related articles around the internet.
The reason why the homosexualist agenda has gotten so far is because for the most part, the only argument presented against it is “God hates fags”. This can simply be brushed off as only relevant to believing Christians or as religious bigotry. And, it says that God is against homosexuality but not why homosexuality is bad in and of itself.
Also check out:
Dr. Frank Turek’s ‘Nothing Gay About it’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcK539YHKds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgOOGMjdaVg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CggllhSbd54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_-y4gpnwVo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dl9RdxP0rs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYEZgttHxYg
Also, single mother / lesbian/gay two-parent families all have significantly lower outcomes on average than families with a straight male father.
The straight male brain is what is important (& essential), not a genderless second parent. The removal of the straight father drastically reduces outcomes, the removal of the mother does not.
Here is but a sample of the research about all the horrible outcomes of gay/lesbian families: aside from all the disadvantages of a single mother family, children of homosexual families have a 23% of being sexually abused by their parents (vs. 0.6% in a hetero family). How would u like to live in a society where a quarter of grown-ups were abused n r likely to become abusers themselves?
thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/08/6065/
blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/06/16/172/
pfox.org/about_us.html
familyresearchinst.org/2012/01/how-much-child-molestation-is-homosexual/
“Sex With One’s Own Children: Homosexual parents — 18%; Heterosexual parents — 0.6%”
I’m happy that more and more gay men are liberated from being enslaved to women. I’m almost as happy that more and more gay women are stuck with each other. I’m not as happy about the latter part because, hey, I’m a good guy. Imagine being in a relationship where no one (insincerely) says “you’re right, I’m sorry.” Damn.
Welmer
Has it stands now I feel good for you and your situation. You have kids and and based on the photos you have shared they always have a smile on their faces when with you. You have made it through hell on earth and have come out on the other side and knowing what you know maybe the deal a gay cat can have is the best way for some men. We are talking about peaceful relationships between father and child in this hell hole of a society. Things may not look normal but is the best under the circumstances.
As a follow-up to my prior comment, even if I had to owe my existence to a same-sex attracted father, and even such a father did manage to delay and deny gratification of his same-sex attraction until after becoming a never-divorced widower, I would still expect his same-sex partner(s) to likewise never have been divorced or have engaged in any same-sex sexual activity that rendered a woman unable to donate blood.
“I think it would be a lot easier for a gay man who had a kid with a woman to deal with family court, because he wouldn’t be emotionally tied up with the mother. ”
“He would also be able to play the oppressed minority card.”
Sorry, wrong. All a woman would have to do is: “OMG! He’s gay and his perverted lifestyle is harming THE CHILDREN!” and the gay dad would be out of the house immediately.
Despite all the politically correct BS the media shoves down everyone’s throats, this is family court we’re taking about, which is a funhouse mirror of real life. It’s a female-centric universe. If men = bad then men who have sex with other men = REALLY bad.
And one other thing: the only demographic that hates gay men more than homophobes is militant lesbians. They have been known to be seen in the family court system.
I suppose Nate gets mummy’s name? Shame, as Arrick is likely a variant spelling of an ancient Scottish surname, from here (somewhere on the skyline, probably a DMV (vanished mediaeval settlement); try to ignore the coal-trucks, and the pikeys’ horses waiting for their lasagne ..).
The fate of all yDNA lines eventually, I suppose. Daughtered-out, or denied.
Just thought I would share some links with you guys…
Chinese bachelor’s and the problems they might face
http://www.ibtimes.com/chinas-poor-bare-branch-men-destined-lifelong-bachelorhood-1080082
Essex Girl with IQ of 161
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/434639/20130213/uk-girl-mensa-iq-einstein-stephen-hawking.htm
Oops sorry, wrong quarry. The buildings beyond the island.
Tedious I know, but it’s important to get these things right.
One day young Nate may wish to see the land of his forefathers, below Dunearn.
“Who gives a shit if two gay guys want to get married? Seriously. Who cares?”
I don’t give a shit either. If I were a landlord I would rent to them because they would keep the place spotless. Gay men that is. Lesbians would trash the place.
But the problem, as described in my recent essay on gay military couplings, is the expansion of public and private benefits to profligate their lifestyle at the expense of the rest of the population.
“Ms Sadowsky never met a man she wanted to have children with…”
This whole notion is insane. I didn’t click on the article, so I don’t know what she looks like, but how do you go through your entire adulthood and not meet someone you’d want to have a child with?
OT, but on the lighter side :
Zen Groups Distressed by Accusations Against Teacher
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/world/asia/zen-buddhists-roiled-by-accusations-against-teacher.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
… Some former students say they were encouraged to believe that being groped by him was part of their Zen training…groped and sexually harassed female students for decades, taking advantage of their loyalty to a famously charismatic roshi, or master…
In a narcissistic culture where it’s all about YOU and YOUR happiness and contentment – you’ll have children, without the least bit concern about THEIR eventual well-being.
I was raised by two parents that while married, lived apart in the same house. They spent thousands on trying to get a divorce (PA is not a no-fault state), but my father refused to leave the house or pay child support. So I was brought up in the midst of this “war of the roses” relationship where a man I called “dad” was more like a grumpy room mate prone to fits of rage. We did nothing together as a family and when we tried it would always end up being a disaster, (fighting, bickering over nonsense, etc.). When we went on vacation father stayed at home. We didn’t even eat dinner together.
I asked him years later why he felt so compelled to stick around and he said, “because children need a father”. Thanks dad, what we got instead was an emotional terrorist, an alcoholic mother and a household where you could cut the tension with a knife most of the time.
A mother and father need to be a pair bonded unified team to raise children, not pals doing it for convenience. Children sense this. They know what’s going on between parents as a survival instinct. It’s a security factor they need to feel, or they grow up always insecure. The best times of my childhood were when my parents seperated – we’d live with relatives or in cheap motels for a few weeks. We once rented a house for a few months and it was bliss. Mother would always run out of money and we’d crawl back to dad.
So I can’t donate blood because as a child I had tuberculosis. So, big deal. This is no reason to change public policy on ANYTHING. Nor is any other reason a person can’t give blood. There are relevant issues, but someone not being allowed to donate blood is not on that list. Just saying.
Keyster : Count your blessing that your father was present at all in your life. Through the emotional terrorism he was subjected to, HE stuck around for YOUR sakes for which you should be eternally thankful. Imagine if your ma was successful in ejecting him and introducing a real peadophile/molester to your homestead ?
Your mother according to this accursed society and law was entitled to bastardize YOU and YOUR siblings, move her new boyfriends into the home and have your impoverished and belittled father pay for it all. But the good man stuck around till YOUR majority, not least among the reasons being to protect YOU ungrateful ass. Fool.
If the bitch was not so groomed as she was in these disgusting lands to believe the universe revolved around her stinking anus, SHE would have moved out and paid your dad support monies. But such a lowered status was not a thing for her she surmised. It was a status for HIM because she is special.
YOU are not a father keyster, and so like an uninitiated small boy, you harbor no real clue nor imagination of the hell and high water that fathers go through, IN SILENCE, to keep their offspring safe and well. But I don’t blame only you in this, as to actually acknowledge fathers’ real worth to their kids and to society would be to break the malevolent spell of cynicism and contempt for men. A spell by which state workers in collusion with mothers conniving with each other, have bilked and exploited families to the point of its destruction today.
If I were you, I’d grow up pronto and hunt down your father if he is still alive. Befriend him, listen to him, get to know the real him and immediately stop hating after him the way your mother and this society have groomed you to hate him. No man on earth has children [lest of all legitimate children],in order to pay someone else free monies, to misuse and abuse them for personal advantage at their leisure.
YOU simply cannot understand the abomination and crime that has been committed by society on your father and all the millions of bastardized boys that have been rendered fatherless and therefore headless and aimless. Purely for profit.
The best news for a child on this earth is a father whom knows he is not present purely for the mothers sexual or economic needs and purposes… Such a father knows he has to make enemies of the state and even the mother if in his estimation they are not proposing to act in the child’s REAL best interests.
Children cannot vote and so the only [unpaid, honest, selfless and candid] second opinion they have in this world is their fathers, until they are of majority and able to make their own decisions.
When he made a series of references recommiting himself to eliminating the discrimination against women, girls and female babies in the Feminist States of America, I was yet again, enraged by his hate against the male race.
Obama doesn’t hate the “male race”, as much as he panders to his liberal voting base…which is comprised mostly of single white women, ethnic women and lesbian women. He has no investment in the hetero-normative privilaged white male and the women who marry him. He has liberal women (and some men) swooning over his every word, his pure alpha-maleness, the smooth baritone delivery, sexy smile and swagga in his gate.
He knows women are imperative for the Democrats to mitigate GOP power. They vote more than men, they’re passionate about “female issues” and they’re much easier to “game” than men. Compound that with ethnicity and gay rights issues and the overlap of female support is astounding. If you think it’s bad now, wait ’til Hillary gets there. All we’ll hear about is women this, girls that, etc. It will be no country for men and boys.
VAWA finally passed the Senate with provisions for illegal immigrants, LBGT and natives. (It should languish in the House for a few months) So if you’re a battered gay Mexican guy, there will soon be a place for you at the local shelter–in theory.
Hell, it’s only like $600 million dollars to keep a few thousand feminists employed…er, I mean “keep women safe” from evil violent men. We spend more than that each day in interest on the debt alone. What’s a few hundred million more in govt spending for the “lady vote”, and to “keep our economy strong” by employing countless 501c3 administrators with sociology and gender studies degrees?
Priceless. LOL. Thanks for (all of) your comments, keyster.
@ Anonymous age 70
If you read my comments carefully, you would notice that I WOULD NOT want to have had a same-sex attracted father under almost all circumstances. There was pretty much only one possible exception and even that exception was contingent on the father’s same-sex partner(s) sexual activity as well.
I also WOULD NOT have wanted a lesbian mother either. The difference is that the epidemiological consequences, if not the financial well-being consequences, to a father would not be as dire if the mother was a WSW (woman who has sex with women).
Remember that the Red Cross (and possibly the Red Crescent in Muslim countries) is always hard-up for blood. Perhaps they should be called the Red Vampire.
Lesbian sex is less invasive than sex involving two males; if the opposite were true the AIDS epidemic would have destroyed (and continued to destroy) the lesbian community very hard.
I do not recommend this arrangement for Nate in the article because of the disapproval he will almost be guaranteed to receive over it. He would have an exceedingly hard time explaining it throughout the entirety of many countries (and northern Nigeria) where his father would get the death penalty if he acted on his attraction to other men, or countries where his father would get a life sentence or a prison term of any shorter duration for having sex with another man.
My head hurts , I wish you could see the look of total disbelief on my face . At a certain point it becomes so, Defeating . I would have settled for normal American male . . Its like I live on a different Planet then what I was born on .
If I had to choose , And I could go back to 21 Id have three kids ,Then run at the enemy really hard and say please kill me because that’s better then what I’m in for in America .
Hello, Boxer.
If I were you, I’d grow up pronto and hunt down your father if he is still alive. Befriend him, listen to him, get to know the real him and immediately stop hating after him the way your mother and this society have groomed you to hate him.
I was angry for a while but in my late 20′s I decided forgiveness was the best revenge and put it all behind me – the child becomes the adult, the son the father figure, in a sense. When he asked me if I thought he was a good father, I told him he was. It was a lie, but he was my father and deserved some respect and acknowledgment as such. I felt it was my duty as an adult son to rise above the past, put my ego and heartache in my pocket, stop re-playing the drama.
My brothers clung to their bitterness and refused to speak to him until his dying day. They’re still bitter. I’m at peace. I understand he was tormented to an extent by his love for my mother, tormented by his own struggles as a man in a changing world (1970′s). I get is now.
No man is perfect, and all men are redemptive.
Fatherhood, the father son relationship, was bigger than us both and our silly human transgressions.
“When he asked me if I thought he was a good father, I told him he was. It was a lie, but he was my father and deserved some respect and acknowledgment as such.”
Obviously I wasn’t there for your relationship with your father, Keyster, but if my father asks me that same question, I will NOT lie and tell him that he is a good father.
I will tell him that no, I do NOT think that he is a good father and that he is a greedy motherfucker and cocksucker (both epithets appropriate as you will see below) who was perfect for his self-centered wife but not for his kids (or anyone else, as my parents think that the world revolves around them).
I will tell him how pathetic he is as a sexagenarian relying on his octogenarian father in the next city over for help.
Some of my friends’ parents could not rely on the friends’ grandparents because the grandparents lived in the Eastern Hemisphere or the Southern Hemisphere or Latin America north of the equator or Europe and Africa west of the Prime Meridian. The grandparents in question would need any or all of the following: passport, visa, vaccinations, a substantial amount of money to cover travel expenses, and the ability to recover from jet lag to extricate the friends’ parents from a jam.
I have no respect for my father choosing to conform to two negative guido stereotypes (being fused at the hip to his family with a soldering iron and having all nuclear family components of the extended guido family in the northeastern United States).
As if that wasn’t enough, my father thinks he is ALWAYS right and doesn’t do ANYTHING in a timely fashion. Thank your lucky stars the motherfucker/cocksucker is not an EMT, because you would be dead before he bothered to get into the ambulance.
I could go on further, but you would eventually say tl;dr. The only good thing he has done so far is not, to my knowledge, rendered my mother unable to donate blood.
As a follow up, if either or both my parents and/or paternal grandfather dropped dead right now, I would NOT complain. In the case of my parents I would NOT attend the deceased parent’s/parents’ funeral(s) and in the case of my paternal grandfather, I would attend his funeral, but I would openly express my joy at his death to everyone there. This is a promise if I outlive any or all three of them.
Right here on this thread alone, we can see the collateral damage done by gender-police-stat-ism where its casualties perversely demand LESS fatherhood, being so damaged and misguided as they are.
You see them blaming fatherhood for their faggoccy, their inadequacy, their left handedness, their left thinking, their left brainedness, their co-dependency and indigence and also their feeble timidity. Not one of them have the bravery to see themselves as well a their fathers as the produtks of very bad social policy.
Yet at the end of the day they all blame fatherhood, because in everyone’s primitive mind and soul, feminist, conservative, liberal, muslim and mormon, men as fathers are the only ones capable of being responsible.
And so to those big and small men, decrying, discrediting and disrespecting papas both for his presence and his absence, none of which he was given full control of , I say this :-
… Fatherhood would do just as good and responsible a job of parenting, if only he was left to do it unimpeded and unmolested by equality hacks in collusion with mothers and the state.
If you are going to always hold fatherhood responsible, and you will, you better darn get the hell out of his way and keep your intrusive hands off his business.
@Jaded & @Crankster
Just brilliant! Very impressive. My hat’s off to you both.
I can’t give blood because I’ve received a transfusion in the past. It bothers me that I can’t contribute something that is so needed, but I’m not enough of an expert to suggest that there’s any need to change policy for the benefit of my feelings.
Will you be joining the “One Billion Rising” today to celebrate “V-Day” by dancing in public to end violence against women around the world?
Did you know 1 in 3 women will be victims of sexual assault and/or violence in their lifetimes? And of course we are to deduce from this that it’s dark and evil MEN who are the ones perpetrating all this horrid abuse against the fair and kinder gender. Who else might it be?
You heard right, Valentines Day is not just about romance anymore – it’s about ending violence against women. So to all my MRA brothers out there: If you can’t make it to your local dance to end violence against women would you please, PUHLEEEZE stop beating and raping women, and do whatcha can to convince all the other men out there you know to do the same.
Apparently this has become like some sorta shocking epidemic or something, and men need to stop doing it. Beaten and raped women are roaming our streets in great numbers and they need our help. Personally I’ve never beaten or raped a woman and I’ve never known a man who has. I’ve never known a woman that was beaten or raped either…but obviously I must be exceptional, a statistical outlier.
Promise you’ll stop all your beating and raping by dancing today in support of all the women who have a 1 in 3 chance of being beaten or raped – thank you.
FYI-
That was me that attempted to post the comment on V-Day.
I thought I was logged in.
LOL
“Why does (Danica) Patrick, the most successful female driver based not on buzz but on actual skill”
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/02/03/the_worst_super_bowl_ad_so_far_comes_from_godaddy_why_danica_patrick_why.html
These people are on drugs. Most successful female driver based on “actual skill” ? She would be flipping burgers if she didnt had a vagina, not certainly racing (badly) as she does now.
@ George B.
I tried to take a look at that free pamphlet, but it seems like you can’t just download it, but have to go through their whole purchasing process, and then not get charged after giving them all of you information.
Is it available as an ordinary link from their pages?
The other objection: treating a partnership of two males the same as a partnership of a male and a female is unfair, because it treats things that are not alike as if they were alike. Women and men are not interchangeable. Rights that are extended to help stabilize male-female relationships in order to help them raise their children make no sense when applied to other kinds of relationships. Period.
The problem here is Gay men become confused . evaluation and natural law . This becomes a problem when Men and economics are concerned and the presumption of theft become involved .
Iv been pushing the link between Hyperegamy and Honor as of late . Or the up and coming fempocalypse ,, as economics being a Target of the MRA .MGTOW especially hit this Topic .Men being victims of theft due to weakness on the part of the legislators
A key element of cultures of honor is that men in these cultures are
prepared to protect with violence the reputation for strength and toughness. Such
cultures are likely to develop where (1) a man’s resources can be thieved in full by
other men and (2) the governing body is weak and thus cannot prevent or punish theft.
Men being of Honor as an Evolutionary sensor to Mass theft and women being expedient , self interested Expedient people have character by concern Witch is opportune; especially : governed by self-interest assert the value of self-interest.
The gay issue just further confusing what men are feeling in the mechanism of honor .
W.F hit on the topic with southern Value pre civil war . When economics of the region was in question .
So the gay issue being a diversion of Governments irresponsibility to address the issue .
I think I’m right what do you all think .
@Reader
It’s worth registering to get the report, IMO.
@ DW3
When people just want you to consider their ideas, they give free information.
And when they give this information it’s like “here, take it, here is a direct link”, but never “give us your name, address, phone number, billing information, physical shipping address (for a PDF!), and so on, first”.
I read and collect information that seems like it might be useful one day, and not necessarily because I agree with all or any of it.
I am certainly not going to put myself on their list, before I know what they are peddling, and especially since their demands don’t seem to pass the smell test.