The Family Research Council, a conservative Christian group, has come out against VAWA reauthorization, saying the bill is a waste of money and used by feminists to seize funds from taxpayers.
When VAWA was first passed in 1994, conservatives gave it strong support. The white knighting impulse was still strong, and anything to protect women – even if it was an anti-male, anti-family piece of legislation – was almost guaranteed to get the right’s vote.
Feminists were at their strongest in the 1990s, because gender feminism had hit that sweet spot where feminists were coming into power while Americans still had a strong cultural mandate, originally part of the patriarchal deal with women where they cede some political and economic power in exchange for special status and protection, to be very protective of women. At that time, feminists could not lose.
However, things have changed. Conservatives, always a bit behind the curve, have finally figured out how destructive the law is to their values, which include marriage, family and benevolent patriarchy. They are now openly calling for letting VAWA die, and threatening to hold politicians who support its renewal accountable:
The socially conservative Family Research Council asked supporters to help it oppose the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act because, the group says, the “real abuse” is how much it will waste taxpayer dollars.
In an email alert on Monday, the FRC decried the VAWA (“which, ironically, is supported by the same administration that wants to put women in front-line combat!”) as an “abuse of taxpayer dollars” that “does more to promote a radical agenda than it does to help women.”
The email quoted conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly, who also opposes VAWA. “In its 17 years of operation,” Schlafly wrote on TownHall.com, VAWA “has done little or no good for real victims of domestic violence, while its funds have been used to fill feminist coffers and to lobby for feminist objectives and laws. Although every spending bill should be subject to rigorous auditing procedures in order to curb waste and fraud, VAWA has somehow ducked accountability for the [$660 million] a year it doles out to radical feminist organizations.”
Feminist political immunity is officially over.
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Even if VAWA is truly dead, the left-wingers, including feminists, can always pressure their representatives to create another bill like it. Maybe next time they’ll just bury it inside of a completely unrelated bill, like one primarily intended for abolishing the Bill of Rights, ah, I mean “gun control.” The left is clearly not above such guile and they’ve proven that with Obamacare.
I would love to see VAWA abondoned. I’m not so sure feminist political immunity is officially over, but it’s a step in the right direction.
At least the Family Research Council has some balls. I hope the Republican Party will finally step up to the plate when it comes to men’s rights.
I’m with Zorro, though; I’ll believe that feminist political immunity is over when NOW takes it figuratively on the chin.
The FRC needs to lobby the House GOP to make sure VAWA never comes up for a vote in the House. So long as the House GOP doesn’t hold a vote on it, VAWA is dead until 2023 at the earliest (because the GOP’s control of the House is safe until at least after the next redistricting).
Gun control will NEVER happen. The GOP will probably allow the Undetectable Firearms Act to expire, legalizing 3D-printed undetectable guns. The 3D Printer is to the 2010s what the smartphone was to the 2000s and the Internet was to the 1990s. Almost everybody will have one of them before the Democrats control all 3 branches of government again and undetectable guns will become ubiquitous.
The left won a Pyrrhic victory in 2012. Their ideology is dead and they don’t realize it yet (nor do the conservatives, unfortunately). We are on the verge of a fiscal crisis caused by unsustainable government. We are also on the verge of an oil and gas boom in this country that will revive the economy (probably shortly after Obama leaves office) and a world in which gun control will be impossible. We are on the verge of a world in which feminism and PC in general are in retreat everywhere. The left can delay the inevitable if Hillary Clinton wins the White House in 2016, but Hillary will have to face her incompetent record as Secretary of State and will have to distance herself from Obama’s economic incompetence. If the GOP nominee successfully paints Hillary as an incompetent that would continue the Obama Depression (making an issue out of Hillary’s hostility to video games would probably help, given that the swing voters in 2016 are young men because most women probably vote for Hillary), the GOP can defeat Hillary and, provided they govern competently, lead America into a better future. If 2016 is 2008 in reverse like 2012 was 2004 in reverse, there will be no Democratic comeback in 2018 because the House is safe and the Democrats can’t possibly improve on their Senate victories of 2006 and 2012. Few people yet realize that Obama’s 2nd Inaugural was the last gasp of the left, but it was.
The “re-authorization” was supposed to come to a vote yesterday, but a coalition of Republicans held it up because of concerns about oversight of the millions of dollars in grants – that seem to disappear into a black hole…and Consitutional concerns regarding native american jurisprudence. DV is a huge problem on reservations, because of alcohol.
This can’t have anything to do with feminism or violence against women politically (because if you’re against the bill you must be FOR violence against women). The resistence, like resistence to ALL spending, is coming from the Republicans because we’re running a $1 Trillion annual deficit amounting to a $20 Trillion dollar debt in four years. This wasn’t the case in 1994.
Republicans will NEVER state publicly that this bill violates the equal protection clause, is unfair to men and supports Feminist Pork – because they can’t. They have to handle this VERY carefully. Women’s issues are an electric third rail. That’s how Feminism and Democrats work to further each others agendas.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/281815-senate-rejects-gop-alternative-to-vawa
Even if it passes the Senate, it will never fly in the House.
They’re essentially filibustering.
Thank a Republican today.
Yoda ,Would say starting to put two and two together they are . ( The 90s)
This has been infuriating since the 90s .
Being a Catholic Guy I had to wait almost twenty years to hear this and it only come from the family council , Way to late .
This was in my wish list . I think we talked about this a few short weeks ago.
All we need now is a few Billionaires to wake up and start some funding or take the funding that Is no longer there ? Oh shit No more funding . who does that help.
The biggest problem with the MRM is the refusal to unify against Democrats in the USA, or against the NDP and Liberals in Canada or against the lefter option in other countries. By pretending that there can be some sort of left-wing men’s rights, we condemn ourselves to obscurity. If we actually wanted to change things, we’d work to defeat Dems/lefties at the polls, with our volunteering and donations. The right is far from perfect, but the left is our enemy, and by not actively working hard against them in the real world of politics, we won’t ever accomplish much, in my opinion.
DW3, I disagree. The American right are, well… insane. Religious fundamentalist traditionalists for the most part. I have some respect for the libertarians but otherwise… yeesh. The left are full of shit but at least they don’t believe in Jesus magic
“Feminist political immunity is officially over. ”
I think that’s overly optimistic.
@geoB
“I hope the Republican Party will finally step up to the plate when it comes to men’s rights.”
Don’t count on it. Sen. Mike Crapo (R-ID from my very red state) is introducing a bill to reauthorize VAgWA. Crap-O is just like all the other neo-cons. My guess is he’s pandering to all the Mo-Mo wyminz . . .
Just my $0.02
Given the broad readership of TS, I thought maybe I should follow-up with a bit of explanation of Mo-Mo’s.
I live in southern Idaho and it’s proximity to Utah means we have way to many Mormons. They like to present themselves as family values oriented, but they are extremely anti-male – unless you are ‘one of them in good standing’.
When I went through the whole ‘custody evaluation process’, the evaluator was clearly MoMo by the WWJD bracelet he was wearing – and I pointed this out to him and my attorney which he took obvious offense to as it is a breach of professional conduct standards of the APA (that and the fact that his profession was based on “pretty weak science”). Needless to say he performed the perfunctory hatchet job – libertarian/atheist wasn’t in his vocabulary and was a disposable dad.
MoMo’s play the role of flag waving amerikans – but they are really socialists in drag. Unfortunately, they control this state. I used to think the cavalry went too far in the 1800′s – now I wish they had wiped them out. Hell, they wiped out a whole group of their own in the Mountain Meadow’s massacre (though they don’t like having that brought up and are surprised when a non-MoMo knows about it).
Just remember, if you ever go fishing with a MoMo take two of them. If you only take one they will drink all of your beer.
Given the miserable global economy, the marriage strike moving into it’s second decade, and a large percentage of young marriageable men stuck in Iraq or Afghanistan for the foreseeable future, the prospects for American, Canadian, and British feminists do not look promising.
Ooooooh, the FRC has finally decided that VAWA is a bad idea? Zowie. So now the socon wing of the GOP will kinda sorta not support VAWA?
Yeah. Those guys were so slow on this one it’s hard to keep a straight face when they finally start making sense.
By pretending that there can be some sort of left-wing men’s rights, we condemn ourselves to obscurity.
The majority of MRA’s are either liberal or “reformed” liberal, as in they claim to to be apolitical, but deep down inside they’re still liberal…or liberal except for the feminist part. Basically they hate conservatives (SoCons and TradCons and NeoCons) and are merely suspicious of liberals.
They think Men can appeal to the “humanist” side of liberalism as yet another identifiable grievance group. It’s so naive you have to laugh to keep from crying. A lot of this strategy comes from our brothers to the North, where feminism is a state sanctioned religion.
DW3, I disagree. The American right are, well… insane. Religious fundamentalist traditionalists for the most part.
Spoken like a true liberal, right out of Rachel Maddow’s talking points. Religious fundamentalism is probably about 5% of the conservative coalition in America. Keep disparaging those who oppose feminism, the only ally with any influence you have – and the Men’s Movement doesn’t move.
Who do you hate more Hillary Clinton or Rush Limbaugh?
I think this left right garbage is starting to effect The group , We are all something but, The truth is not one party has went to bat for the MRAs Im beginning to think the Guy in La is the only sane guy left in this country .
Still waiting for One of the parties to reach out and embrace Us but, No callers yet .
Right on, Keyster. So many MRAs, or those self-proclaimed anyway, completely lack a basic understanding of politics (especially how dangerous leftists are), and this has been witnessed to the point where Bernard Chapin and RockingMrE (youtube channels) feel they have to mention it in more than one video. Instead of thinking about ‘left’ and ‘right’, anyone involved in Men’s Rights should just think about whether we want less freedom or more freedom. The problem of feminism is essentially just a special case of the more general problem of deteriorating freedom in America, a problem which, as Price occasionally points out, parallels what Americans went through during the ’60s and ’70s.
FRC decried the VAWA (“which, ironically, is supported by the same administration that wants to put women in front-line combat!”)
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now here’s an idea!
on one hand fems say they want to serve in front line combat [i.e. they at least claim to be FOR taking and dispensing violence! get it?]
but they want protection from their brute husbands
so why not shame them out of vawa by saying “if you can’t handle brute husband what chance do you think you have on the battlefield?”
OR alternatively shame them out of the military using the same line
I don’t care that they did not support it. They are largely made up of women like Venker who realize their gravy boat has left the port and are trying to call us back to save the cruise ship sinking underneath them. Sorry, but I got on the life raft, and I aint coming back.
The men of their group are merely trying to get us back into the fray on their side since they got the election handed to them; I don’t care if it was voter fraud. All they will do is send the poorer of us to die in wars and in prisons when we get back home so they can fight over who gets to marry Venker and friends. It is like a conservative sex and the city episode.
Make no mistake; I support my nation. I don’t support any of the a-holes running it. If a foreign power came to take us over, I would be here because our nation (meaning us) are wroth it; although I would strike a deal. If the enemy would just take our leaders; we will pay the for it. If not, then we will kill them, and they will get the leadership here anyways.
People need to understand in our movement that neither side cares about us; only their respective sacred calfs. They all murder children on a daily basis (foster care/abortion/children in foreign wars); and now they don’t want us to know how badly they fucked up. Has anyone heard about the social services chief in Tennessee who just got sacked for the death of 160 foster kids and counting? Just one example.
I know, and I will do my damndest to make sure others know. Whoever runs our country in the future needs to be cut from new cloth. I have all but burned the elephant and donkey ***** to the ground in my mind. They are of the same cloth; and it is worse than platforms and suede suits of the seventies. Ironically, the same time frame this breed of feminism came to be? They all need to go back.
If they think that we are getting back into bed with them they are crazy. That ship has left; time for them to defend themselves. I will sign their petitions if it gets rid of VAWA; but then we part ways. No discussion needed or required on my part.
“Feminists were at their strongest in the 1990s…”
Yes. “Saved by the Bell”, anyone? Remember that show?
Perfect example of how feminism was truly at its peak. Feminists could do no wrong back then and it was open season on men.
God, I can’t believe I used to think Jesse Spano was so damned hilarious; and the other girls weren’t much better, either, only far less aggressive with their misandry.
OT.
My views on abortion are pretty radical on both sides of the political divide but this shocked the hell out of me:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/13-abortions-every-10-live-births-russia_700451.html
Apparently in Russia there are 13 abortions for ever 10 births. That is just insane. It seems that when women are given the ability to have the sole decision making power over their lives and the men’s lives around them, they don’t just act as a individual but also as a collective to bring about the death of a civilization.
Hey guys, we where already introuble when Bush left office, our goverments debt was already bad. Me personally i hate politics, both conser and liberals are from the same coin but different sides. I agree that the liberals support feminist issues more and i hate it! But at the same time the republicans scare me, because being a n.c.p getting upto 50% of my income garnished b4 taxes. I can only rely on Soc Services And Sec 8 housing just to live! And the republicans want to get rid of all that! If they got into power and abolished all these “We want dads to just be responsible and we don’t care about them being parent’s!” Laws then they would have my support! But fat chance on that!
DW3 has a good point and to add to that point. Why just go along with the right? Most of the socon policies and ideas are correct and sustainable only if applied with red pill eyes. The conservatives are blue pill pussy worshippers. The idea of working for what you have sound families, strong christian faith etc. are truely self sustaining in a red pill world. The feminie imperative sub routines the whole shooting match and so it doesn’t matter what party is in power when after hearing them speak and then based on results. It is the blue pill that makes the conservatives hated, it is the blue pill that makes the christian faith churchian faith that makes for hatred and contempt for the church and religion in general.
The political MRA types need to use sound leadership and influence and red pill the conservatives. We don’t come to them we make them red pill and let them from that frame do what they do.
To clear the muddy waters:
Half a $ billion to VAWA is not the real issue.
It’s the $1.5 Billion in VOCA that Federalizes the Police force.
Simple, eh?
Oh course no word about violations of the Bill of Right,because they have no intent to HONOR those ever again at any time.
And it bothers me that the guys here have trouble seeing this bottom line,because it is that bottom line that removes due process for men.
We clear?
Forgot to mention the ‘grants’ to courts.
These include the Supreme Court of your State,to train with special anti-male tactics.
The hospitals:Specially trained nurses and doctors,looking to manufacture evidence.
It’s about a Federal mandate to violate the 14th equal protection amendment,and violate due process,the 4th,5th,and 14th.
How can the discourse be about money when liberty is more precious than money?
It’s a smokescreen to allow more injustice to control the frame like that.
roughly:
“You will know who your master is when you find who it is that is forbidden to talk about.”
Do not comply with this re-frame.
Many people believe that a strong MRM would radicalize American politics but I have come to believe that it would have the opposite effect. By not having a strongly organized MRM, it has allowed the left and the Democrats to drift further and further to the left of the political spectrum without any consequences. Feminists and their allies have been effectively unopposed for the last 40 years and are just now being held accountable for their excesses. If we are strong, the right wing and the Republicans will follow us, not the other way around. I am sure some Democrats will follow us as well. Hard core feminists are incurable but will become less and less influential to the point where they will have to give something to get something instead of just living off of the cultural good will build up over the last 5000 years.
Instead of thinking about ‘left’ and ‘right’, anyone involved in Men’s Rights should just think about whether we want less freedom or more freedom.
Precisely, because you’ll NEVER defeat Feminist Inc. at their own game because they control the rule book. Liberal MRA’s want to expose their hypocrisy for not caring about men and boys “equally”, as if they’ll even let that happen – as long as they control the White House, the courts, academia and the media.
Uncle Bern and RockingE are astutely aware of this.
I wonder it means that VAWA did not pass for reauthoriztion this last time around, basically because the Republicans blocked it.
Does it mean I don’t have to fly that magic dragon and go on that glorious quest to find the land of male Utopia anymore?
I’m becoming weary of riding that old fire breathing dragon with no air conditioning.
C’mon, you guys, it’s right before your very eyes and biting you on the ass. The GOP is telling us to use them. Most them are fed up the corruption and madness of the Democrats.
It was that or scream and I don’t want to scare my neighbors.
Has anyone heard about the social services chief in Tennessee who just got sacked for the death of 160 foster kids and counting? Just one example.
Exactly. “Democrat” or “Republican” bureaucrat, does it even matter to any of the children in foster care? No, the party label don’t mean nothin’ to a kid dying from disease, or malnutrition, or one beating too many after lights-out.
Keyster, remember that Alinsky rule (#7?) that states: “Make them live up to their own standards”? That’s one way to fight feminism. Make them live up to all that “equality” blather they’ve been saying for years. Split the gender equity feminists off from their sistahs, or better yet get them fighting each other. You keep wanting some unified, mass, movement. That’s so 20th century. This is a clearing house for ideas, and far better that 100 men find 100 different ways to splinter Feminism, Inc. than they all unify behind one, easily taken out, leader.
Welmer, one of the things about the Holy Joe brigade that is funny or enraging, depending on one’s perspective, is how on the one hand they are so big on “confessing sin”, i.e. admitting how you screwed up so’s not to do it again, and on the other hand they will never, ever admit that they’ve been the errand boys for Feminism, Inc. since the 1970′s.
I guess being a socon or tradcon means never having to say “I was wrong”, eh? Just change positions, and poof! EastAsia has always been at war with EurAsia. Most “conservatives” don’t realize it, but they are just liberals and lefties with a 25 year time lag.
“………in Russia there are 13 abortions for every 10 births. That is just insane.”
So, it’s only “insane” in high proportionate quantities? Otherwise it’s A-OK? (question)
Hows this:
The abortionist inserts a set of heavy tongs into the womb, grasps the unborn baby’s head then crushes it. When the squirming stops and there is no more movement, the baby is removed from the ex-mother to be discarded as medical waste.
Not sure, but I think that’s done on less than 50,00 babies a year in the US which is a relatively small quantity. Must be A-OK. (question)
Should have mentioned: As with almost all “procedures”, there isn’t success at the first try. If, at the first try, the abortionist crushes only the part of the skull, or the neck etc and the baby is still squirming in pain, the abortionist has to go back in finish the “job”.
I could go on and on about abortion, but what I’ve described here is one of the MANY, MANY Feminist created and driven horrors which are kept from the public by Feminists and Democrats.
Micky T – I wonder how a digital animation of that skull crushing, neck breaking, fetus squirming procedure would fly if turned loose on the net… maybe it would go viral if a hollywood style ‘demon’ was incorporated into the scene. The female doctor and patient could have sexy vampire fangs… anyway, animation software and some illustration/design skills would go a long way towards making visible many things kept secret. hmmm…
I would like to think that this is turning point, but like the support gains that the Democrats got from the successful Characterizations of the Benzazi inquiry as an anti-woman (Hillary) witch hunt, I believe that this will be filed under partisan bickering and as a another war on women, and ignored. It is a virtual certainty that the Republican opposition will collapse and it will be passed in it’s new and improved (citizenship for cash and prizes) form.
All of the women that I talked to about it took huge offense at Rand Paul telling off Hillary in the inquiry.
It will be just as bad when she is elected as President. It will be completely impossible for any male (the majority of politicians) to hold her accountable. The Republicans will need female pit-fighters in their arsenal and soon!
We obviously need either the Republicans to fold on VAWA, (which they almost have to or be further demonized with “War on Women” rhetoric from the left), or we need Bill Bennett or Doug Giles or some other “D-List” SoCon/TradCon to write an article shaming men for not getting married or something…so we can fume over it.
The Spearhead is just getting far too political (code for “right-wing”), for many of the devoted readership. Surely there has to be something we can expound upon and analyze that happened less than 10 years ago that proves Republicans are really just as bad for men as the “Party of Women”.
Because the fact that Democrats so proudly refer to themselves as The Party of Women is still not enough to convince many MRA’s that they ARE The Party of Women! If the President’s Council on Women and Girls, Title IX in STEM, equal pay mandate and the Dear Colleague letter aren’t enough…I don’t know what is.
I’ll keep the scouring the internet to see if some SoCon/TradCon is doing something many of our MRA’s can find something objectionable in. We need more fairness and balance around here.
I like your thinking anonymous reader. mra’s need to fight on many fronts because there are many types of men with different needs desires and wants. It would be an interesting drill to find the different places men can attack the feminine imperative in all areas of society.
“Feminists were at their strongest in the 1990s”
Wrong. Back then, you were just watching first class activism hard at work changing the political landscape of America. It worked for them. Mission accomplished. They’ve been doing a lot of sitting back and enjoying the fruits of their labor for the last 10 years or so. They no longer have to get in everybody’s face to get what they want, they now have it.
Are we better off now than 20 years ago? Are men and children treated better now than 20 years ago…………………….?Feminists are stronger now than ever. They’ve changed the culture to suit their agenda, probably in more ways than most men realize.
If anybody thinks VAWA is going to go away quietly because of the last reathorization failure, they are sadly mistaken. Some lawmaker will introduce another version of it, probably soon. It won’t go away without a battle royal, if ever. Men have a long and difficult battle ahead, but it can be done.
Seriously, like most here I don’t plant my flag in either camp. For a couple of reasons, neither party support our rights more than temporarily, and they’re both liable to white knight at any time to try to get the (single) female vote.
However, right now the best strategic position is to emphasize the massive pork barrel aspects of the law, which will generally attract far more Republican support than Democrat.
I really have no skin in the game however since I’m not American.
Passive Agression=Leftism=Feminism …… it’s all the same — never met a self-described progressive who wasn’t showing the symptoms. People with healthy self-esteem don’t need to blame the world for their real/perceived inferiority. North American urban women take the cake on all three counts – followed by their P-worshipping/Metrosexual male concubines.
Poeooo69, I hate when foreigners talk American politics as if they know something beyond what they read on the internet.
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Russia and the US aborting itself into oblivion is of less concern than the possibility of nuking each other. Or maybe it’s inevitable that oblivion is where a society who mass murders it’s young will soon end up. Guess there is often a bit of emotion on this one. I get the point, but it’s hard to hear anything related to “it” as insane without first referring to “it” as being insane.
C’mon, you guys, it’s right before your very eyes and biting you on the ass. The GOP is telling us to use them
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i’ve said it many times
the last thing feminists want is a politicized mrm
why do you think they’re busy co-opting avfm [the 'flagship' of the mrm]?
to try and steer the mrm away from politics
many mras object to touching base with the political right on the objections that they’re a bunch of pedestalizing white knights, alimony supporters, etc.
if only the feminists back in the 70′s had listened to the dissenting voices in the sisterhood warning them that joining the left, with their free-loving hippy ways, would mean an end to alimony, child support, and an end to female sexual gatekeeperism
keyster,evilwhilemalempire
I think you fellas may be on to something and is most likely the next phase of the MRM. The country is ready for the MRM. blue pill men are angry every where and just don’t know the whole big picture. If any of you are on yahoo check out yahoo news articles and look at the comments. More and more red pill/mra type comments are being made. A lot of people are cheering on the ex lapd cop. He had it right and the LAPD said so shooting up two different innocent people because a pickup truck looked like his. The so called bad guy did more to protect the public by destroying his truck than the damn police department.
The point is we need to troll and add red pill to all conservative articles ans even submit some ourselves. We need to change the frame of the feminnie imperative in conservative circles.
And rather than make political participation the MRM just make it a part of it for those that believe in it. We can just give guidance and support.
@ greyghost
How do other commenters respond to mra type comments? Do they upvote them or downvote them? If they provide a written response, is it usually positive or negative?
You are correct, Evilwhitemalempire.
I’ve been at this for along time. Since the mid 90s I warned of what was coming and that we needed to take political and social action then, but most men thought I needed a psychiatrist.
The day men organize politically, is the day women will stop mocking them and begin to take them seriously and good things will start to happen.
geographybeefinalisthimself
For myself I get alot of indifference maybe do to my writing style but it will be a few thumbs up but never more than 10. If comments are really rolling in it will get buried and not all will see it. The real popular comments usually have in the hundreds of thumbs up have a catigory that has them displayed up front as most popular and it always gets read and it kind of feeds itself. I have had the holy grail of a reply from a woman refering me as a bitter loser,that was cool. I have had a man man reply that he wished he could give me a 100 thumbs up on a comment. To poperly answeryour question you will get both but I feel the real purpose is to get it out there for those that know something is wrong are alone and just can’t put their fingure on it. We can help them find focus. The negative comments are good because they show how evil feminism is for the marginal types just reading. They also let you know it had an effect on somebody.
Dalrock another mens blogger that is part of the christian mra wing of the MRM is a family man type. I tease him that he is a cultural leader that gives a place for women to go when they are beaten down. I consider myself a military MRA who’s role is to as I see now to break the feminine imperative and cause fear and pain from self inflicted choices to as many women as possible.
Back on subject ,Dalrock and muself at times also go to yahoo answers and answer questions on relationships and divorce. Red pill answers are effective there I have I believe a 30% chosen answeer rate. Dalrock writes long answers that mirror his articles in blogs and has had a very good reception. Red pill truth combined with the principles of game and how female attraction works is very powerful for confused people. Throwing in truth about misandry only adds the truth.
Over all I think the effect is very powerful in guiding trends that are already happening out of ignorance. Will out thoughtful beta males discussing society and what is going on in it MRM through blogs the blue pill world would collapse on its own. But it would be violent with focus or reason for it happening with the government just reenforcing the lie as an explaination. That is why all of us working together to get as many red pill men out there as possible is a big deal.
red pill conservatives along with the political party
red pill christian church with full game understanding of the nature of female attraction.
red pill cultural leaders, music,movies,comedians, public figures, preachers etc.
red pill men in general with truth being the foundation of common sense rather than feminine imperative.
Red pill would include game (very important) full understanding of the feminine imperative,white knighting,manginahood, terms of solipsism, family law, etc. Any man here can add to what I have listed and should.
The point is we need to troll and add red pill to all conservative articles ans even submit some ourselves. We need to change the frame of the feminnie imperative in conservative circles.
@greyghost
I spend the majority of my time doing this, and very rarely do I run across white-knighting or NAWALTing.
The issue with liberals (and MRA liberals) is that they refuse to watch Fox News or listen to Rush Limbaugh because they so vigorously DESPISE conservatives. If a liberal MRA would listen to Rush Limbaugh for 3 weeks, they’d change their view on the Right and side with the Right’s stance against feminism…but they won’t do it because the initial de-programming of Lefitst memes is like detoxing from heroin or alcohol.
The MRA “humanist” movement is trying to appeal to the empathetic, equalist, bleeding-heart liberal base, that “men are humans too” deserving of love and respect and hugs – – whilst ignoring the fact the Left is controlled by a very powerful, well funded and wholly entrenched Feminist Inc., who are also a variety of Marxism Lite politically. The Left will NEVER allow a dialogue about men.
You’d think they’d learn after everything Warren Farrell has been through. Yet he himself remains a strident liberal supporter.
keyster
Limbaugh is maybe the best conservative type there is. But he is stuck with the feminine imperative. And with that as a public figure that makes his living off ratings and ad sales he can only be so truthful in MRA type issues. An example will be he having to roll over when he followed his instincts on that i believe Fluke woman trying to get free birth control. He had to do the apology thing.
Having liberal MRA’s may not be as bad as having liberal MRA’s define the MRM.
Keyster
The majority of MRA’s are either liberal or “reformed” liberal, as in they claim to to be apolitical, but deep down inside they’re still liberal…
How do you know this to be true?
Keyster again:
We obviously need either the Republicans to fold on VAWA, (which they almost have to or be further demonized with “War on Women” rhetoric from the left), or we need Bill Bennett or Doug Giles or some other “D-List” SoCon/TradCon to write an article shaming men for not getting married or something…so we can fume over it.
Well, maybe that is what you need. I’d prefer to see Bill “Dice” Bennett come out with an article along the lines of “I was wrong about feminism”, and do a series of shows on his radio program about how dangerous it is for a church going man to marry a slut. That’s what I’d like to see. How about you, Keyster?
The Spearhead is just getting far too political (code for “right-wing”), for many of the devoted readership.
Why do you believe that to be true?
Surely there has to be something we can expound upon and analyze that happened less than 10 years ago that proves Republicans are really just as bad for men as the “Party of Women”.
How about if we just list off all of the things that the Republicrats have done for men, lately, instead? You start, Keyster…
Because the fact that Democrats so proudly refer to themselves as The Party of Women is still not enough to convince many MRA’s that they ARE The Party of Women!
So I guess there must be a lot of MRA’s endorsing the Demoplicans, then, according to you, Keyster. Therefore it would be trivially easy for you to actually quote some actual text, instead of making stuff up? How about it, Keyster? Instead of a strawman, could you debate a real person just for once?
If the President’s Council on Women and Girls, Title IX in STEM, equal pay mandate and the Dear Colleague letter aren’t enough…I don’t know what is.
Strawman, Keyster. Try again?
I’ll keep the scouring the internet to see if some SoCon/TradCon is doing something many of our MRA’s can find something objectionable in. We need more fairness and balance around here.
That would take too much of your valuable time. Instead you should scour the world for things that socons and tradcons are doing in defense of men. I’ll start: The Family Research Council, a small-time Christian operation, has decided after almost 20 years that VAWA was not such a good idea after all.
Your turn, Keyster. Don’t give us words, give actions. You have a lot of time on your hands, put it to good use.
PS: Bashing a strawman is a fallacy, not a logical argument.
I have friends who graduated college who are living parents basements (b0th men and women). One of the big problems with feminism is that it leads to dysgenic fertility which will exascerbated racial differences and animosity. Ultimately I dont think it is politically feasible to have people who have done everything right (morally anyways, waiting to have children, going to school and deferring gratifiction) living at home in their parents home living near people who have had multiple children out of wedlock before 21 receiving 8k earned income credit checks.
@ highwasp–Feb 9, 2013 10:51
Yes, it might wake some people out their coma.
You might also use your skills and creativity etc in communicating the dismemberment “procedure” of the unborn babies. It is done in order to ease the evacuation down the birth canal at certain times and conditions during the pregnancy. Of course the baby’s arms and legs are ripped from the body and he/she comes out in pieces.
Also ,there is a law which prohibits the abortionist from killing, or letting a born alive baby (botched abortion) die through denying the baby medical assistance. There is a law, but we know damn well it happens. How much, I don’t know.
Consider- A born alive baby survives the abortionist’s tongs, scalpel etc and is put into a cold stainless steel pan bloody, maimed in one way or another (no legs, crushed legs), and just left there to die while trying to cry. Or, the abortionist just does what he/she has to do in order to kill the baby.
This administration and the Feminists are working hard to change the born alive law, in order to legally allow the abortionist to kill the baby after birth or let him/her just die there in the pan.
I imagine ( this part is me re-speaking) a naked mutilated and bloody crying baby in a cold steel pan being left there to die while the “staff” goes on their lunch break. And it’s all perfectly legal.
It will be just another Feminist victory in the liberation women from male oppression.
FYI-
It has long been established, by even the most pro-abortion (pro-choice) groups, that a fetus has the same relevant capacities as a newborn. That means an unborn baby can feel pain just as a newborn can.
The Democrats have known all the things I’ve mentioned and much, much more than I’ll ever know, since 1973 when Roe v Wade was decided by the Supreme Court legalizing abortion.
That’s about enough right now. Thanks for your interest.
The above 15:49 should be addressed to highwasp and the first paragraph should indicate MEDICAL groups.
Liberalism and feminism go hand in hand.
If the President’s Council on Women and Girls, Title IX in STEM, equal pay mandate and the Dear Colleague letter aren’t enough…I don’t know what is.
Strawman, Keyster. Try again?
Liberals will often dismiss FACTS as strawmen arguments to dismiss or pettifog the discussion. I’m used to it.
“If the President’s Council on Women and Girls, Title IX in STEM, equal pay mandate and the Dear Colleague letter aren’t enough…I don’t know what is … Liberals will often dismiss FACTS as strawmen arguments to dismiss or pettifog the discussion. I’m used to it.”
That wasn’t what he asked. He asked what concrete steps any party – including the GOP – has taken to benefit men? What actions have Republicans taken to ease the hypocritical and unfair burdens place on American men? What have Republicans done – including during the 6 years when they had unquestioned control of the White House and both houses of Congress – to fight back against state-enforced feminism? Name the things they’ve done.
Can we take your answer to be, “nothing, but at least they’re not quite as bad as the Democrats?”
He asked what concrete steps any party – including the GOP – has taken to benefit men? What actions have Republicans taken to ease the hypocritical and unfair burdens place on American men? What have Republicans done – including during the 6 years when they had unquestioned control of the White House and both houses of Congress – to fight back against state-enforced feminism? Name the things they’ve done.
No political party will EVER take concrete steps or otherwise for the benefit of men as a group. That’s an MRA fantasy. Feminism formed women to be THE victimized grievance group among the sexes in our popular culture, and politics.
Republicans are in the midst of fighting state-enforced feminism as we speak in blocking VAWA re-authorization. Haven’t you heard? Have you written to your senator or congressman?
Republicans tried to block ObamaCare which has numerous provisions for “free” health care for women only and none for men. Republicans oppose government funded abortion and contraceptives.
Republicans blocked Harry Reid’s “Paycheck Fairness Act” in 2010.
Republicans do not have a “Council on Women and Girls’, nor do they self-identify as the “Party of Women”.
Again, how can it be more obvious to the erstwhile Leftist MRA?
The liberal or “moderate independent radical” MRA expects Republicans to publicly announce support of men and boys as a victim group in need of “equality” and “justice” – or else he refuses to acknowledge they’ve done or are doing anything at all. Politics doesn’t work this way anymore because of liberal instituted Political Correctness.
If you think Republicans are equally to blame, or even worse, because they haven’t worked hard enough to combat feminist governance – perhaps it’s because they don’t have enough support from Men’s Rights Activists – who seem to despise them first and foremost on political grounds.
So, in answer to my question, “yes.” You admit that Republicans haven’t taken any affirmative steps that would benefit men and boys, but we should still support them because the Democrats are doing shit that’s even worse.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just trying to make it clear that this is your argument.
When Mitt Romney was asked, in a televised national debate, what he would do about “the pay gap” that women are “suffering under,” what did he say? Did he say “actually, young men are more likely to drop out of school, be incarcerated, and suffer violence?” Did he point out the catastrophic consequences to everyone that result from constant, society-wide degredation of manhood? Did he explain that the federal government’s job does not entail constant female uplift?
No. He said, essentially, “When I was Governor of Massachusetts, I saw that women weren’t getting enough opportunity, so I damn sure MADE my underlings hire more women.”
“The liberal or “moderate independent radical” MRA expects Republicans to publicly announce support of men and boys as a victim group in need of “equality” and “justice” – or else he refuses to acknowledge they’ve done or are doing anything at all. Politics doesn’t work this way anymore because of liberal instituted Political Correctness.”
So we’re looking at a political party that wants our support, but that refuses to publicly acknowledge us or any of our points, and in fact that continually espouses the opposite of what we want and what we believe. But we’re still supposed to support them. Why? You have no answer beyond “the other side is worse.”
Vote who you want to vote for, support who you want. I’m not telling you what to do – you’re a grown man. I’ll support who I want, and it damn sure ain’t Mitt Romney and his efforts to fight the pay gap on behalf of women.
“Conservatives, always a bit behind the curve,”
It’s the electorate who was and is behind the curve (with respect,look at some of these men’s groups). The electorate is bombarded with FDLL (fem/dem/lib/left) propaganda. The media is a part of the FDLL so the people get lies and deceit from all directions. And let’s face it, many Americans are too lazy to seek the truth.
In my soap boxing hey day, I found an incredible number of people who were supporting what they were deeply and diametrically opposed to, because they fell for the lies and deceit coming out of Washington. A great illustration of this, is that very few of the electorate know that abortion is legal at anytime during a pregnancy for any or no reason. Most Americans are opposed to that yet they support it,
With 3/4 of the electorate supporting the FDLL “values” because they were swayed by the deceit, the GOP did not get enough support for their traditional values to get elected. Naturally the GOP had to cave, defect etc many on issues.
MKP
When I was in business, I would hire a man who I thought would be the best for the job. I would tell him what I want done ,and based on his performance, I would decided whether or not to keep him employed.
I wasn’t always happy with my help, but overall it worked out and none of them ever put me out of business.
I wouldn’t wait around whining about people, who somebody else hired, not doing the job that meets up my expectations and never getting
So, in answer to my question, “yes.” You admit that Republicans haven’t taken any affirmative steps that would benefit men and boys, but we should still support them because the Democrats are doing shit that’s even worse.
No, my answer to your question is that Democrats are actively involved in moving feminist governance forward, while Republicans are actively involved in blocking it.
If you don’t support them just because they won’t openly declare allegiance to men and boys (like Democrats openly support women and girls), then you have no idea (like most strident MRAs) how politics works. Again, they can’t openly support men and boys as a constituency because of political correctness born out of the left and the democrat party. What part of that don’t you understand? It’s the same thing as expecting them to start a White Congressional Caucus just because a black one is allowed to exist. It’s an irrational concept in this socio-political climate.
There has never been a successful social movement that has not co-opted a political power. This is what feminists did. But MRA’s are too self-righteous to get past their own indignation. They’re too radical and extreme for politics I suppose.
@ keyster
“We have met the enemy…….and he is us”
I say rather than complain about how those guys dont speak for us. be those guys and speak for yourself. Troll the hell out of the republican party and red pill them at all times Also kill the mens rights stuff it is rule of law and equal protection under the law.
There was this social movement called Christianity.
I seem to recall the Roman empire capitulating after 400 years of martyrs. Seems it was pretty successful without needing to co-opt evil.
But hey why try something that works….
It’s back!
I love it how folks can read one word and disregard everything else that is said.
The Majority is the only entity capable of co-opting. The Minority is subsumed within the co-op.
You know, the founding fathers of America did try and Co-opt the British parliment. They were all mad because they didn’t have representatives in parliment. And you know what else, they tried it for almost 100 years before they said screw it they won’t listen.
What happened to Erin Prizzey again? Oh right, she was co-opted, at least that woman had the sense not to comply.
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