It looks as though Chris Dorner may get his wish on gun control. In the latest spate of publicized violence, every single shooting has been carried out by a cop or ex-cop, four non-police have been shot and two killed, and California is moving forward with a bill that would severely curtail citizen access to guns with detachable magazines, such as those police officers – current and former – used to shoot innocent people yesterday.
“We need to lead the way,” Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said. “New York has stepped up and stepped forward. California needs to answer the call.”
The package of seven bills outlined at a Capitol press conference today includes measures to make it illegal to possess high-capacity magazines, ban the manufacture, sale, transfer and importation of rifles with detachable magazines and regulate ammunition purchases and require additional safety training for people who purchase new handguns. Lawmakers also called for increased funding and focus on enforcing existing laws, including ensuring that guns get out of the hands of people prohibited from possessing fire arms.
Will the ban extend to police? Of course not. California’s finest will still have access to assault rifles with large-capacity magazines, pistols with extended clips and other goodies — the kinds of weapons they used to light up a couple little Mexican women delivering newspapers yesterday morning.
There is nothing “liberal” about a state that seeks to preserve all of its firepower while disarming citizens, yet this is what they call themselves.
Today, the more “liberal” the state, the more authoritarian it is. If California is the future, this is not a good trend.
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Liberals have always been totalitarian sociopaths and have supported federal intervention since the 1860′s. And much like women, beta males are natural authoritarians.
How is it that a state like California retains so many of its citizens and continues to produce much wealth? Despite its borderline totalitarianism, so many people still like California and want to live there. I know it’s home to certain clean industries, particularly computers, biotech, and a number of professional services, but is economic opportunity there otherwise so much better than other states?
Awesome climate, good lifestyle. Farther north in the Pacific NW, you’d soon die of hypothermia if you tried to swim in the ocean, and of exposure if you got lost in the woods. California’s a kind of promised land in that way. Fertile, pleasant, sunny and laid back. But these kinds of places always eventually become a mess socially. Compare sunny, laid back southern Italy to the uptight, but much more advanced, Alpine north.
“But these kinds of places always eventually become a mess socially.”
I would say that California is already a social mess, and not because of ethnic demographics. I would say that now that cities there have filed for bankruptcy (think Stockton and San Bernardino), the shit has already hit the fan. California is also more feminist than most of the country, and feminism accelerates the trajectory towards becoming a social mess.
The key to California is that it depends on a traditional farming community to prop up its lack of industrial needs . This has always Been a anti-socialist climate . and a pro Marxist breeding ground .
Although most Philosophizer’s can’t phantom the difference between the Two Twins formed of the same Mother .
The Ninth grade social study’s book can help . I often here the Word socialist slung around with a broad Brush . This sounds really Immature to me , The complexities are staggering and overwhelm the smartest of Men .
To move into a Industrial socialism would almost need to come from This type of Traditional Ideology,California being a different Beast with a high level of tolerance for a Hispanic socialism being tempered already Throw immigration .
Plato’s soap salesmen gives use the Roots of this Idealism . My friend a Hispanic male Puts it like this , In america , The Community Director will ask you to trim your tree’s throw labor or professional help this is a suggestion .
In Mexico ,The socialists brother of the Mayor will cut the tree down: bill you and sell the wood to a wood worker friend .
About 100 shades of gray between . But I’m sure the Nazi feminist selling crack to your women and funding the Platform of proselytizasion is OK( sarcasm )
From meager early beginnings of the drug culture in the 60 We often forget what it was that raised the Movement in the beginning . Have they Moved beyond that point or have they settled into the role .
When I look at Feminist and The mangina brute that follows I always see drugs and corruption . As for California What do you see if not drugs and Corruption .
Brian
To understand California you need to understand there are in reality 3 California’s: the rich part, the middle part, and finally the poor part. How is this any different than any other state in the USA?
answer:
It’s much more extreme in CA.
The rich and also the upper middle class enjoy living in CA because they get to live in the nice part, of CA. The best part that money can buy. They use their money to shield themselves from the less desireable part of CA like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvVbWHmznhg
Latest New Police in California.
Truck found near Big Bear resort . Seven hundred agents have volunteered to search every Jacuzzi and bar in the resort .
Reports of agents strip searching eager teen age vacationers and testing drinks for content while Running tabs can be justified . Rooms and ski gear is also recommended for a proper search of Hills trails and winery’s.
It could be months before the search is over . A small price to pay for taxpayers .
I looked at the truck driven by the Mexican women and it looks like a Ford Ranger. It certainly isn’t a Nissan Titan. So I’m wondering what excuse the police have for firing on it? Do they not know the difference? Is everyone who drives a pickup going to have to ride the bus for fear of further police violence?
As for California’s proposed ban on weapons it won’t succeed. First, they won’t be able to take the weapons that already exist away from the citizens that own them. Also, they won’t be able to prevent their citizens from going to Texas and buying all they want and coming back with them. Once back with the weapons who’s to say the weapons weren’t “grandfathered” in?
Further, people who really want the weapons will simply buy them before the ban. California doesn’t have the balls or stupidity to try and take them away because trying to do so will make this Dorner incident a regular occurrence.
http://www.gcnlive.com/wp/2013/02/08/imagine-if-christopher-dorner-was-a-tea-party-member/
This man has lefty ideals,a minority, so he will be not under scrutiny if he was like someone in the above article.
@geographybee,
You nailed it, sir. This State is already in a fine mess due to many of the issues discussed daily at The Spearhead and other red pill sites. The problem, as I see it, for those of you who don’t live here can be nicely summed up by an old saying: “the future arrives first in California”.
I guess we prefer hero cops like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JIGIcg27-0g#!
How is it that a state like California retains so many of its citizens and continues to produce much wealth?
As someone who lives here :
1) The weather is truly incredible. Hardly 10 days a year are anything other than sunny with temperatures that are just right. It is impossible to tolerate the weather of any other state for long once you live here. You almost never have to ‘plan for the weather’ here. The only variable is whether it will rain (10-15 days a year), or not.
2) Vast natural resources. It also has a huge deposit of shale oil that will be drilled once the environuts blocking it get outmaneuvered.
3) The two most desirable industries in the world, technology and entertainment, are headquartered here. They started at a time when CA had a more business-friendly culture, so their momentum from past glory still carries through today.
4) A lot of Asians (10% of CA’s population), who work hard and earn a lot, but are too politically immature to figure out that voting Democrat is against their primary life’s mission of making money.
5) Similar to 4), CA is the part of the US that is best able to capture the benefits of trade with a rising Asia. Almost all exports from China/Japan/Korea enter the US via California, you know.
That is why. That is also why socialism can go on for an unusually long time before it kills the golden goose…..
Keep in mind that CA also has 7 of the 10 biggest tech companies, by market cap. It also has all 3 of the 3 biggest biotech companies.
All this keeps socialism from running out of money.
Hard working skilled immigrants bear the brunt of the costs, as they don’t start thinking about how high their taxes are until 10+ years in….
I read recently that California lost 100,000 of it’s residents last year to out-migration. Not exactly a positive indicator.
There is nothing “liberal” about a state that seeks to preserve all of its firepower while disarming citizens, yet this is what they call themselves.
On the contrary, that is very, very liberal. Because liberals are Fascists.
Juan Peron would understand California perfectly.
Liberals want to take our guns for the same reason King George III did and yearn to be the tyranny we refused from him.
Most of the nation’s fruit and vegetables comes from California. It’s the eighth largest economy in the world, down from the fifth largest 20 years ago. Liberals always seem to take over the nicest places.
The Hispanic and Asian immigration influx has had a huge impact on the political/economic environment there. California is a “minority-majority” state, where cacasians make up 40% of the population. Should California lapse into default and insolvency it STILL won’t be enough to convince liberals that socialism doesn’t work. They’ll just say they weren’t doing it right or it was the Govinators fault.
You guys are on a gun trip and frankly you are way off base. The only reason we are even talking about gun control is because of what happened in Newtown, CT. In the previous 4 years, Obama made no attempt at gun control. The talk about banning guns is because of Newtown has made it politically untenable NOT to talk about it.
Further, you guys are complaining about losing your freedoms as if George W. Bush didn’t pass the Patriot Act, create DHS, institute torture as a national policy, and spend trillions of dollars on wars that your grandchildren will someday, maybe, pay back. Where were your cries for “liberty” then?
Gun control is politically expedient but don’t think for a second that it’s going to happen. Gun manufacturers are part of the military industrial complex and selling guns to civilians is their most profitable market.
Ever since Obama was elected gun and ammo sales have gone through the roof. Why? Because everyone keeps saying he’s going to ban guns. Yet, until Sandyhook he never even mentioned gun control.
He isn’t going to ban them. But the people who make the most off of gun sales will happily lead you to think so because that’s how they’ll make their money.
And what if he bans certain kinds of guns and magazines? Well, for all those people who already own them their weapons just jumped in value. And for all the companies that have weapons on the market they will be able to sell their stocks as “grandfathered” weapons at a huge mark up.
To be fair, lots of people protested that all along, myself included. It just made no difference, because we tried to do it the old way, i.e. we let the 70s radicals run the show. Turns out they are the same people who got us into this mess in the first place.
Hey, we get a lot of those imports up here in Puget Sound. I used to see freighters entirely full of COSCO containers all the time when I lived on Beacon Hill.
But yeah, Long Beach gets the most cargo. However, I bet we ship more to China from here than Long Beach. I see trucks hauling raw timber down to Anacortes all the time when I’m passing through Skagit county, and I’m pretty sure those shipments are headed to China.
“To be fair, lots of people protested that all along, myself included. It just made no difference, because we tried to do it the old way, i.e. we let the 70s radicals run the show. Turns out they are the same people who got us into this mess in the first place.”
I’m all for being fair, but I think when people pile on “liberals” as if they are the root of all our problems that is both unfair and disingenuous.
The Right has done more than their fair share of F’ing up this country.
That said, I want to point out to all of you that the same divide that existed before the Civil War is the divide that exists today.
We have the rural against the urban, agriculture versus industry.
The rural come from small towns and small communities and are better able to rely on each other because they are more likely to know their neighbors.
The urban, having many more people means that you are less likely to form close relationships with people who are not your family. That means you rely more on government assistance, usually at the local level, for things that people in the rural sectors can get from family and friends. Plus, people in the rural sectors have access to food in ways that urban do not via gardening and hunting. This makes them more self-sufficient than the urban people.
My point here is that the two parties have always divided this country up alone these lines. The moment we fall into the trap of blaming one party over the other is the moment we allow these parties to define us and control us.
I’m an Independent. I’m not liberal or conservative. I think for myself.
Take for instance the belief that the government wants to take our freedoms. It’s true of course. The Republicans have created a massive spy agency for spying on its own people. They are not fiscally conservative and never have been but they keep selling us that line even though every Republican President in the last 30 years has expanded the size of government and the debt more than the “liberal” President that came before him.
And the liberals want to tell us that they will solve our problems but the truth is they are destroying the family which has been the primary wealth generator and safeguard to poverty for people for thousands of years.
Each party is taking from us in different ways. Every time we elect one party to protect us from the other the one we elect takes something else from us. And back and forth we go.
There’s been plenty of piling on socons here, too. Why not be fair in pointing the finger? Socon or “liberal”, what does it matter when the end result is the same?
The liberals have the political power now; they have the most responsibility. When conservatives run the regime, then it’s their turn to explain themselves. Frankly, I don’t see much difference. Just a matter of geography, perhaps. When it comes down to it, it’s all about taking what you can from who you can.
Commiefornia
WFPrice,
However, I bet we ship more to China from here than Long Beach. I see trucks hauling raw timber down to Anacortes all the time when I’m passing through Skagit county, and I’m pretty sure those shipments are headed to China.
Lumber exports would clearly be from Seattle.
But intake from China (shipped mostly from Guangdong and Shanghai, which are at latitudes more in line with CA) probably passes 90% through Long Beach and Oakland. Remember that the US runs trade deficits with China, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. About $200B/year with China alone, so we take in that much more than we sell them.
Unlike the East Coast, which is divided among about 15 states, the West Coast is just 3 states, and over 60% of the West Coast (indeed the warmer 60%) is controlled by one state, with the two biggest ports. Such a near-monopoly enables CA ports and longshoremen unions to be very corrupt.
Sadly, whenever CA longshoremen go on strike, it damages the entire US economy since the shelves at Wal-Mart are empty until the Longshoremen demands are met.
Now, before we get angry at Longshoremen earning $200K, note that many are under childimony orders too, just like any other men, and would be jailed if they don’t meet their imputed income.
JVJ,
While both parties suck in terms of misandry, your facts are just wrong.
institute torture as a national policy,
Which Obama uses. Note that Obama has not shut down Gitmo.
and spend trillions of dollars on wars that your grandchildren will someday, maybe, pay back.
Trillions? The entire Iraq War cost less than TARP, and Obama has presided over the largest increase in the national debt ever seen. In fact, the increase in the last 12 months alone exceeds the increase over all 8 of the GWB years combined. Go look it up.
Plus, Obama seems keen to continue Afghanistan, as well as take further action in Libya and now Mali. Defense spending has risen under Obama.
If you really cared about the debt, the Iraq War is not even one of the top 3 things that made it increase in the last decade.
It would suck badly to own any blue pickup truck truck in that area.
May as well target them from space and send in the drones.
Is that legal?
Yep
THF – Thank you for clarifying what JVJ stated as facts, which you’d think an “Independent” would get right and without the hyperbole.
It’s true Obama isn’t imprisoning and torturing terror suspects anymore, he’s vaporizing them from 29 thousand feet…so I guess he’s just being more expedient. Other than hypocrisy vis a vis Bush, neo-cons aren’t complaining much either.
It doesn’t seem to matter, even after you list all the afronts to men and feminist governance policy from Obama – the liberal MRA still feels compelled to point out something Reagan did 40 years ago, or something a D-List SoCon like Bill Bennett said to prove conservativatism is just as bad.
And don’t forget SoCons want us to get married and become wage slave utilities to women and children, when they’re not marching us off to become disposable cannon fodder in their wars….you know like we’ve been doing since the dawn of civilization.
No clarity will dawn until people discriminate between real Conservatism and Neo-Conservatism – which is fine with big goverment, deficit spending, and endless foreign wars. George Washington told us to avoid foreign entanglements and mind our own business. To focus a big more finely: Free Enterprise is different than Capitalism. There’s alot more involved than just private ownership: Capitalism depends on Central Banking and fiat currency. And they are moving us towards Totalitarianism of a Plutocratic variety. This is different than Communism per se or Fascism per se. All three merge the public with the private – but in Fascism, the Corporations are subservient to the Goverment. In our system, it’s the opposite. Yes, Fascism is better. In Communism, the Private is destroyed – and that is a disaster all around. Our Plutocracy seems to allow personal freedoms, but that was just a phase that is now ending as the Republic and Free Enterprise end.
George Washington told us to avoid foreign entanglements and mind our own business.
What would Europe and the Pacific Rim look like today had we listened? Would US involvement even have mattered in the end? Or would Russia have defeated Germany and China Japan eventually?
@Keyster Ideally Russia would have gone under and the Marxist’s long march through western institutions would have never happened.
It was touch-and-go as to whether the Nazis would be first to build a practical A-bomb. They already had the “heavy water”, luckily the Norwegians managed to fuck them up pretty good. And they had all the ballistic missiles, and rocket-scientists, too …
Like playing an early version of Civ. ; Despotism all the way, and attack everyone, until you can develop Nuclear Fission. Works every time.
The Germans were also close to producing a fast, stealthy “flying wing” bomber (that looks very much like the B-2) which was radar-evading. If Hitler hadn’t invaded Russia, the Third Reich would still be very much alive!
“How is it that a state like California retains so many of its citizens and continues to produce much wealth?”
Weather. Location. Beach. Attractions/things to do.
However when the negative grow, the benefits (like mentioned above) will be less appealing.
Not everyone will move (more demographic then anything else) due to the individual values of a person and who that person actually is.
Some people want to move but lack of money and career opportunity to move (my parents would’ve probably moved by now).
My parents hate the traffic (which REALLY sucks). But there are other things however they just voice that LA is, and I quote, “not as nice as it was before.” Vague stuff.
@ TFH
Can’t believe you didn’t mention the beach.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63XOxt5OpMc
TFH and JVJ: The money will not be paid back. Eventually the younger generation will figure out they were screwed and default.
I’m 53. It may not happen in my lifetime but I have a 16-year-old and a 13-year-old and it will happen in their lifetime.
Iceland defaulted without suffering for it. Trying to keep it afloat is a fool’s errand.
A great default is coming.
I moved to California once in the early 80′s. I moved out and would never move back. Many other people felt the same. At the time it was hard to get people to take jobs in California because of the high (mostly housing) costs and impact on quality of life. The K-12 schools were horrrible even by the standards of where I moved after California; Alabama. And that is a really damning statement. Things have only gotten worse since then.
From “Hundreds of Thousands Flee Democrat-Run California”, September 29, 2012.
“The report found that between 1960 and 1990, 4.2 million Americans moved to California and helped accelerate California’s booming economy. Since 1990, though, California has lost nearly all of that gain, with net domestic out-migration averaging 225,00 residents a year. Between 2000 and 2010, out-migration has resulted in lost income of 5.67 billion to Nevada, $4.96 billion to Arizona, $4.07 to Texas, and $3.85 billion to Oregon.
The study found that “if all these trends continue, California may find itself in a situation similar to that of New York and the states of the midwestern Rust Belt in the last century, which have seen populations stagnate for decades, or even fall.”
The earlier comment of the future comes to California first may also be true. We may see a net out migration from the entire US as things become less and less tenible. If you don’t think this is possible, just look at what is happening in Spain today. Young people are leaveing in their hundreds of thousands to find work and lives in what used to be called the third world.
BTW, all this talk of immigration reform is a little late. The flow of Mexican migration is back to Mexico as there are greater opportunities for work there.