The Wisdom of Submission to Feminism

by Ethical on January 21, 2013

On Roosh’s new site “Return of Kings” a recent article “Why Marriage Can Still be a Viable Option” made the argument that for marriage-minded men the risks of what he and others call marriage 2.0, might be mitigated by “permanent expatriation to a society where Marriage 1.0 still persists”.

Despite all the controversy the article generated in its comment section, I found its search for solutions refreshing. If manhood is believing we have ultimate control over the circumstances of our lives, we sometimes forget that part of having that ultimate control is understanding where we are constrained. It’s only with this knowledge that we gain the power to free ourselves.

the idea of marriage has not entirely lost its luster for many of us … quite a few denizens of the manosphere would still be open to it under the right circumstances … I know that I am one of them.

Athlone McGinnis

As the author mentions the “right circumstances” are definitely not the west’s savagely anti-male divorce laws which turn marriage into emasculating bondage at the whim of “the feminine imperative”, followed by divorce slavery afterwards. Recognizing that he like other men who want marriage are actually being impeded from achieving such a key life goal, his simple statement is a tacit acknowledgement that leaving the cancer of feminism to consume society does have a devastating impact on both men and women whether or not we decide to do anything about it.

It’s a welcome step forward from “Men’s Rights” Has Become A Euphemism For “Sexual Loser” and shows a deeper red pill awareness is growing. It’s also an encouraging development from the misperception of the manosphere as being full of fearful, whiny misogynists which I’ve heard from a number of men in the past.

“So what’s unmanly about the men’s rights movement? … fighting for our own rights … Traditionally chivalrous men saw themselves as protectors and benefactors of the rest of society, and like the men who stayed behind on the Titanic, they understood that this sometimes meant we would get the short end of the stick. In fact, they were proud of it”.

Mike from Toronto, Canada, The Pussification of Men

“our calling as men is to protect the weaker sex, and this carping against those we are made to protect is unmanly and contemptible.”

Bonald, Patriarchists should shun The Spearhead

Many of these same men dismiss any perception of misandry as unmanly since the dictates of manliness make any semblance of fear or weakness utterly contemptible, particularly what to them seems to be the manosphere’s neurotic fear of some consequences of feminism they believe to be fictitious. I believe there are many more of these white knights and manginas than all the unchained men in the manosphere combined. Strange as it may sound, outside the manosphere the instinct towards white knighthood is probably so much more common among alphas than red pill awareness, and mangina tendencies so much more common than red pill wisdom among betas, that from their prevalence natural selection of beneficial behaviors implies white knightery and mangina betatude might actually have been more beneficial to society than the red pill at some point.

a female’s … life is far more valuable [to society] than a man’s … The number of babies that can be born is the same even if a large portion of the men die, while this not the case if even a single woman dies … [assuming] that women spend their entire lives … bearing and taking care of children.

Human society was geared to transfer all resources to women as this correlated to the survival of children … But in the modern era, women now only use 10-20% of their lifetime childbearing capacity … yet society is still programmed to transfer resources to women… In the meantime, all the work that keeps modern society running, is done by men.

the citizens who produce the most value are under attack, while those who receive the best treatment are the ones who no longer perform the primary task upon which this good treatment was delivered”.

This will change. Rather soon.

TFH (The Fifth Horseman, author of The Misandry Bubble)

Perhaps for men as a whole (though I can’t imagine it’s ever true for individual men) those white knight/mangina traits still are more beneficial in societies where gender relations are less broken than they are in the west now.

Even in the west where gender relations are so pitifully dysfunctional and contrary to the broader interests of society, the general male rejection of any fears concerning feminism might not be completely unjustified. There’s some truth to the saying that you get what you focus on. If for example having a wife and family is your dream, there’s a legitimate argument that believing you have the power to achieve your dream despite any obstacle is a more likely road to success than trying to avoid all feminism’s potential pitfalls. But at the same time the many horrific stories of divorce rape, paternity fraud, and false domestic abuse accusations clearly show the danger of some wet dream of self-mastery providing a false sense of safety from the extreme risks men face. Such blindness makes us predisposed to dismiss the need for men’s rights without even taking the time to inform ourselves. We’re helped along in our false security by the feminist censor’s stranglehold on the mass media. Without reliable media getting informed on any given issue becomes as time consuming as taking on a full time research project. Faced with the inconvenience of finding out the truth regarding gender issues, the ease for most men of lazily accepting feminist mainstream media propaganda provides more than enough percentage points of swing in public opinion to fuel the passing of misandric laws.

But most men don’t seem to feel threatened by any feminist laws. As men we’re naturally fearless of what we don’t know we need be cautious about. This is why awareness is our only protection. Because all the while we believe we are lions, before the might of the feminist state’s cloaked system of media control, we are merely a blissfully ignorant crop of lambs. Until we hit divorce court or face criminal proceedings against a woman, the sweetly narcotic blue pill fills our mind with a beautiful illusion of our male power. It’s only in court when we’re bent over to have the red hot poker of feminism anally administered to forearm depth, that many of us recognize the truth for the first time. We are in fact slaves; only more meat for the grinder.

It took this ignorance and recklessness of masses of un-awakened blue pill men to achieve our enslavement. So considering all the former or current blue pill men who’ve been so complicit in our current condition, I welcome red pill awareness from any quarter regardless of any philosophical differences with whatever part of the manosphere it comes from. As an MRA I’m not bothered in the least for example with comments on the website like those below:

Men’s Rights Activists. The beta male is the biggest external threat to the manosphere, but MRAs are the biggest internal threat.

Solomon

Regardless of such comments, the awareness that Return of Kings is spreading among young Game practioners can’t help but eventually translate to a lack of support for further feminist laws undermining marriage and family, families some young men will always want for themselves regardless of whether men like Solomon don’t.

If you’re like me and children aren’t in your future, the possibilities are endless.

Solomon

Young patriarchs whose vision of success in this world is leaving a legacy furthered by strong, healthy, and successful children know that marriage is the best environment to achieve this. They’ll eventually see the truth that men like Solomon don’t share the same goals. And though perhaps in far fewer numbers, they’ll continue to find ways to achieve their vision of a family whose wife and children are blessed with a strong patriarch. After all men are natural risk takers. Even if divorce involved literal castration some would still take the plunge anyways. Consider that the mere challenge of mastering our bodies, our physical environments, and our minds is more than enough to make us men risk instant death base jumping, or surfing giant waves. There is no level of risk that will stop a few men from marrying if there’s something as important as a legacy to be gained.

With our natural propensity for risk taking, articles like Athlone’s should be an essential part of any red pill diet; as our recommended daily allowance of risk mitigation. His article sets the stage for more that’s sure to come from the Game community on reducing marriage risk through expatting. They’ll be a fitting compliment to the in-depth mitigation strategies we’ve come to expect from Dalrock, like recognizing how divorce risk differs dramatically between demographics.

Of course marriage risk mitigation goes much further than relocating to the third world, or even choosing wisely as Dalrock seems to suggest. There’s much talk of Game itself as a marriage risk mitigation strategy which raises a much deeper question about the merits of mitigating marriage risk by adopting “alpha” behaviors vs. adopting “beta” behaviors.

In moments when my mind wanders WAY off the manosphere reservation, I’ve felt this nagging question growing at the back of my mind. I look around at the young men who’ve successfully come through the politically correct indoctrination of today’s universities, I look at the men who’ve successfully escaped divorce rape by submitting wholly and completely to their wives, and it seems clear that the whole of western society all the way from early education, through academia, the workplace, and marriage, is becoming more feminized. I’m compelled to wonder: if the environment is highly feminized doesn’t that mean that feminized men are more likely to thrive in it? Could it be that marriages involving manly alpha master of the universe types are actually more likely to fail in divorce? Could it be these types get divorce raped even harder? Then afterwards, if these men are more disposed towards demanding what they’re legally entitled to in divorce rather than prostrating themselves before their wives and begging for what she deigns to give them, are they in the end only forced by the full might of the state into a more costly submission? I can’t imagine for example that Kobe, or Berlusconi aren’t alpha in the eyes of most. And both are rich enough to hire the best legal representation. Yet when it came to a cage match with feminism each was quite decisively choked out.

Few other men have the resources to even try such a direct confrontation. So playing the devil’s advocate, if a man is able to live his entire life and die in bliss because he doesn’t notice the bars all around his masculinity, might he not be better off? And if that same man’s lack of desire to walk too far in any one direction prevents him from being yanked back by his choke collar, doesn’t his self-restriction enable him to live quite freely?

Increasingly the entire educational system that is a gateway to the upper middle class is already a kind of feminization filter. Feminism might not only be less of a hindrance for men who’ve assimilated enough to pass through it, but in addition, despite the negative long-term impacts on both women and men in society as a whole, feminism might actually also benefit the specific demographics of women these men tend to partner with. In particular feminism appears to be a net positive for upper middle class white women. After all under feminism these sexually liberated women are able to better leverage their sexuality by hypergamously riding the cock carousel before they marriage until they trade up as high as they can, though some ride so long they misplay their hand. Then after marriage they’re largely protected from divorce or separation unless THEY want it.

Feminism benefits them because the savagely anti-male laws don’t prevent these upper middle class women from finding a husband as much the laws do for the lower classes. The upper middle class men they tend to marry have less to fear from divorce. Firstly upper middle class men face divorce less often. For an upper middle class man there are fewer men above him in status for his wife to hypergamously trade up to. Even if they do divorce, upper middle class men can more often pay the support levied against them and still have enough to live on. They aren’t as likely to be completely ruined. They’re probably also far less vulnerable to being imprisoned as a result of messy divorces when compared to working class men. After the dust clears upper middle class men might even have enough assets left over to be attractive to other women so they can find a new partner and start a new life if they so desire.

By contrast feminism so effectively discourages working class marriage it likely harms working class women more than it helps. Without two parents in the home the children will statistically fare far worse than would be the case with intact families. Recognition that single parenthood is difficult and is far less effective at raising strong children isn’t helped by feminism’s promotion of single parenthood as a lifestyle choice without consequences. Only irresponsible people don’t know better. In this sense feminism might even be having the socially disruptive and dysgenic effect of creating an environment in which men and women who are the most reckless and least productive in society are the ones having children.

But at the upper end of the economic divide feminism is undoubtedly one of the factors creating an environment in which the upper middle class self selects for positive traits such as increasing IQ. This is ostensibly a benefit for the upper middle class, though in the sense that it’s increasing the class divide, it still might be far more harmful to society as a whole.

However regardless of the long term social devastation feminism will continue to inflict overall, it may have been inevitable that we are now ruled by women and the white knight male leaders who in reality serve them. Teamism (in group bias) is a group having a high likelihood of expressing strong support for its members regardless of the rightness or wrongness of their position as opposed to a non-teamist group only supporting their members if they specifically agree with them. Psychological studies have repeatedly uncovered women’s particularly strong case of this likely untreatable disease. When interest groups become involved teamism is revealed as a weakness of current representative democracies. Because any time there’s a high differential in the amount of “teamism” displayed by one group (e.g. women) and other groups (e.g. men), the non-teamist groups will eventually be ruled by the teamist one. Until democracy 2.0 brings direct citizen involvement in government, eventually the law that governs western democracies will always naturally come to reflect the values of the teamist matriarchal ruling class which controls our media as well as our legal and financial institutions.

Given the importance of marriage as an institution to growth the economic implications are grim. Even in the upper middle class where marriage is less at risk, the power imbalance of matriarchal marriage and a man’s decreasing ability to pass on property to his son’s in this matriarchal society are among only a few of the factors disincentivizing would-be patriarchs from matrimony. The feminist infestation is growing without impediment and creating a matriarchical upper class that may shrink in numbers, but is ruling an increasingly disproportionate share of wealth and power in a west with ballooning debt. Yet still they dig in deeper. More and more feminist women are finding their way into the judiciary, the legal profession and even the police where they are cleverly inserting themselves into positions of absolute control over all disputes between men and women. In many cases these women reign completely unchecked. Worse still the fact that quite a number of these women are lesbians means any balanced perspective of heterosexual gender relations in families, not to mention the interests of heterosexual men, are almost wholly unrepresented. Seeing men as “feminist appliances” there is no level of hateful injustice these women won’t take every opportunity to inflict on men. Expecting justice from them is a recipe for devastation. Imagine instead a klansman in charge of taking complaints from civil rights activists deep in the Jim Crow south and you’ve calibrated your expectations more appropriately.

All this begs the question:“if feminism is the natural working state of the west wouldn’t it be better to accept it?” Well these feminist values are endemic to and appear to benefit only the upper middle class and above who rule over society. Being ruled by a distinctly different class of people with values and goals that don’t benefit the masses has always had the potential to eventually produce an extreme backlash. It’s a pattern repeated for thousands of years now, and the fuse might already be lit. Of course if this feminist upper class is only identifiable or distinguishable by its behaviors … if the overlords look like the people they rule, and if the system of control is invisible and powerful enough, then it’s conceivable that one day the cycle of violent overthrow of tyranny will be avoided and permanent peaceful rule over us will continue indefinitely. Like Cypher, we’ll be contentedly enjoying our juicy steaks in the matrix, neither knowing nor caring that in some unhappy extremist’s views we are merely farmed humans.

But besides submitting completely to a feminist marriage on the one hand, and the strategies mentioned by manospherists like Athlone or Dalrock on the other, there are additional risk mitigation strategies such as going into marriage extremely defensively: trusts, renting and never buying property, accumulating multiple passports, keeping foreign accounts, hiding the details of those assets from one’s spouse (not the same as hiding them from the court), and being ready to expat at the first sight of a family court jackboot. I don’t have enough information to confirm I’d use any of these, but I do know that regardless of whether adopting feminism and submitting completely to a wife might provide more effective risk mitigation for today’s men than any masculinist strategy, I reject supplicating to feminism simply because a life of emasculation is too distasteful to justify the rewards. And I add that although I appreciate the wisdom of expatting and might one day do so myself, even those benefits can only go so far. I have to ask whether given the effort of running from feminism, whether it’s abandoning one’s country, abandoning one’s parents or bringing them to an unfamiliar environment where they’ll live out the rest of their days disconnected, is taking up some small position in the political fight against feminism really such a burden in comparison?

I occasionally hear opinions echoing this sentiment that wasting any time on men’s rights activism is an evil trap for men, such as in this glowing review of the book “How I Found Freedom In An Unfree World” that Roosh wrote awhile back. Now I’ll probably still read the book because I never cast aside any potential knowledge. But frankly Roosh’s review condemns the book as one more piece of writing telling us older “red pill” men, that we risk whatever happiness we can achieve on this earth by pursuing what may prove to be a futile attempt to change the world. That in trying to change misandric laws in a hopelessly feminist system we are quixotically tilting at windmills. We already know that in not accepting that our sons will be held in bondage by women who care nothing for them or their children, that we’ve willingly given up our freedom to disengage from a system that relishes in a man’s destruction. But we also know that by managing our expectations the effort can be liberating rather than making us miserable. Furthermore some of us reflect on what the world would be like if everyone before us also believed that the impossible wasn’t worth sacrifice, sometimes even dying for. And we wonder?

  • if Rosa Parks had just gotten off the bus
  • if John F. Kennedy Jr. hadn’t braved entrenched power and inspired an entire nation towards change?
  • if Galileo hadn’t fought the religious establishment with his heretical beliefs
  • if a man named Jesus hadn’t given his life that every man and woman might accept the redeeming and healing power of his message, and in that acceptance become free from fear

All of these individuals changed beliefs that were entrenched for not only generations, but for the entire history of human kind before them. I understand the prudence in restricting our efforts to where they’re immediately effective. But that limitation leaves no room to allow us to be moved by forces far larger than ourselves. I respectfully refuse to renounce my God given right as a man to fight for what I believe to be right and just. I expect there’ll be consequences for refusing to bow. As a man I accept paying that price.

And I submit that rather than giving up his masculine power by trying to change the mindset of unwilling millions, someone like Martin Luther King Jr. was more of a man than all but a few of us could ever hope to be when he accepted his inevitable martyrdom and still hollered out from the mountain top of his precariously prominent and dangerously exposed social position: “I am not fearing any man”.

Nevertheless a defense of man’s power to achieve the seemingly impossible isn’t denying the wisdom in gauging the potential effectiveness of an offensive.

“If it becomes obvious that your current course of action will lead to defeat then retreat and regroup.”

SUN TZU, ART OF WAR

Just as defending man’s power to achieve the impossible doesn’t deny the wisdom of retreating from a direct assault against overwhelming forces.

“When the enemy is too strong to attack directly, then attack something he holds dear. Know that in all things he cannot be superior. Somewhere there is a gap in the armor, a weakness that can be attacked instead”

SUN TZU, ART OF WAR

Here the author cited in Roosh’s review may have much to teach about survival given the war that gender relations in the west have increasingly become. The author is a clever rodent. Rodents are successful in adapting to whatever indignities thrown before them, and no doubt this rodent author has useful advice for all of us about the power we can achieve by disengaging in the same way he’s used to effect his own escape.

But I suspect the words of a rodent hiding from his responsibility as a male, and his responsibility to leave a better society for his children, are words that won’t move many to the very core of their soul or inspire many to greatness in the same way Dr. King’s message did. While I remain grateful for whatever blessings I have in this world, and hope for the strength to crawl as a rodent where that is the only means of survival made available to me, I for one won’t seek out this freedom of those who give up all they hold dear so that nothing can be taken from them. I’ll take my freedom from my belief in the power of free will and a world of limitless possibilities, from the value of fathering children and giving them the benefit of a strong father, from the strength to accomplish what I set out to do, and from the conviction that right thinking men and women will one day receive the red-pill and other truths that we as honorable men bring in good faith. And even if they ignore it … we will feel secure in the comfort that we have discharged our duty. We will die as we have lived, as MEN.

Of course having respectfully disagreed with Roosh’s review as men will do, and despite me coming from the position of admiring the contributions of Paul Elam his one-time arch-enemy, I believe Roosh is a valuable voice for young men faced with reproductive choices such as the world has never known. He’s a lawless pirate and an irredeemable cad in the most admirable way, a trailblazer who unflinchingly speaks his own unvarnished truth about women.

But back to the focus of this conversation. Manhood is power within one’s sphere of control. Dalrock and Athlone pointed out some great opportunities to increase one’s sphere of control by mitigating marriage risk. For the blue pill men on the outside who believe the manosphere to be fearful, I say recognizing that in the west men must be vigilant for unpleasant, entitled feminists who are selfish to the point of making unworthy wives and mothers, is simply a means of maximizing one’s own relative sexual market value. And to those inside the manosphere who have sworn off western women, I say increasing one’s sphere of control is realizing that expatting has its own pitfalls such as becoming financially responsible for the entire extended family of a disadvantaged woman. Non-western women have their own dangers that come with not speaking her language or knowing her friends, family, or social environment well. She could be a loyal and hardworking gem, or she could be for all intents and purposes be an escort who despite all the time you spend turning her into a housewife will never be anything more than a heavy spending liability. On top of that men without the flexibility to spend time in a foreign land looking for a bride often rely on dating services. Whether in eastern Europe, Asia, or Central America those services are steadily gaining sophistication in fleecing men of their money and there are increasing reports of them being populated by opportunists. Recognizing that emerging economies which are less feminist are on the other hand also unfamiliar markets with serious potential pitfalls to be wary of, is not fearful but informed. The essence of becoming powerful within one’s sphere of control is focusing on using the information at hand to seize opportunities out of this chaos.

To gain such mastery a man must be knowledgeable of his power, lacking a clear understanding of which he is at a severe disadvantage. Because women are rarely confused in this regard. The shit tests that evolution has given women are very effective at probing the boundaries of a man’s domain of control. In my experience alpha behavior arises organically from a man feeling that in some sense he carries a “big stick” which establishes his domain of dominance, whether that big stick is easy access to other women, or control over other men. In marriage that big stick might be replacing her without devastating financial consequences from divorce if she fails to do her wifely duties. It might be a prenup that puts her hypergamy in check, or it might be defensively securing trusts or distributed accounts and owning no seize-able real estate or property. Whatever the case women have a natural sense that gives them “tingles” when that big stick is near. But a man often believes he carries the “big stick” in the relationship without even knowing what the real stick is. If he doesn’t, chances are he’s not holding it. And especially where very desirable women are concerned, emulating alpha behavior without toting the lumber puts a man in a position of vulnerability.

Having been found bluffing suddenly he’s a victim story waiting to happen. Even “good women” often divorce frivolously and legally sodomize their husbands as by law they have the absolute right to do. The men that get away merely physically sodomized are lucky. True mercenary women who will enter into marriage agreements they have no intention of upholding inflict another level of damage entirely. They’ll think little of robbing a man of his resources while freely using their sexuality not only to obtain more resources from other men, but seriously undermining their own husband’s security and well-being in the process. Mercenaries among the “mail-order brides” brought back to the west can be the most dangerous of all. Feminist western governments are only too willing to join in and make an example of men who are victimized by these scamming women. When these mercenary women are done, the state is right behind them to fine, jail, or even beat a man into further victimization.

Knowing there is no certain escape from western feminism, no cure all panacea, is protection from walking into any situation naively, but it’s always desire to seize opportunity not fear that must guide us if we are to claim whatever power we have to control our outcomes. And the truth of the opportunity before us is that without claiming marriage and family is for everyone, there is nowhere on earth where a gem of a wife can’t be found by someone, and nowhere where some successful patriarchal relationships don’t flourish. An understanding of key strategies for patriarchs is emerging. There is no need yet to join the blue pill men prostrating themselves in marriage before feminism as the only way to procreate. As the manosphere continues to evolve we will see more of these masculinist strategies by which a patriarch can still “secure his domain”.

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observer January 21, 2013 at 11:19

Opus correctly perceived feminism and western female development as a neocolonialist and world elitist sham masquerading as civil rights imperatives for women.

The implications are that white men in the west train up their own precious white women into arrogant, excessively demanding and unreasonable snobs at home. Then having finished their devilish work locally, these same men then go abroad to find good acceptable women to settle down with and to marry well brought up and humble virgins.

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Ludmilla January 21, 2013 at 11:50

Most upper-class white liberal women have 1-2 children. But there are a few upper-class feminist women who have 3-4 children. But the sex ratio is atrocious. Do they practice sex-selective abortion for boys? Because in every family I’ve seen it’s either all girls, 2 girls and a boy or 3 girls and a boy.

Most of these children are girls. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Older women have more girls, plus they use contraception (which destroys real estrogen in girls and creates artificial ones in boys), which creates more girls, and the like.

How on earth will these upper-middle class women find men if the children are 70% girls, 30% boys?

Will 40% of the girls go to IVF clinics or something? Am I the only one who noticed this noticeable and widespread factor?

Think about it. Bill Clinton had 1 child. A girl. Barack Obama had two children. Two girls. And so forth it goes…

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Ludmilla January 21, 2013 at 12:00

I think the working classes and the lower middle class are not going for legal marriage anymore. But it’s not necessarily because they are anti-feminist. Their behavior is criminal and since liberalism is law, being criminal leads to a vague form of anti-liberalism.

The working class are absorbing a criminal culture. They have become anti-law. Because liberalism has become law, anything that is against the law is somewhat anti-liberal.

So lower class men who become criminals are much smarter than a man who tries to either (1) use game and enter into legal marriage or (2) find a foreign woman who may have absorbed feminist Anglo-Puritan culture and its disdain for low status men or (3) Change the law.

I think some criminal men are monogamous and have a more stable household than what can be seen in law-abiding lower class places.

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Ludmilla January 21, 2013 at 12:03

Think The Godfather, except the woman is not a liberal ball-busting American wife and is more like an unwed Apollonia who is the mother of your own children.

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geographybeefinalisthimself January 21, 2013 at 12:09

“Being ruled by a distinctly different class of people with values and goals that don’t benefit the masses has always had the potential to eventually produce an extreme backlash. It’s a pattern repeated for thousands of years now, and the fuse might already be lit.”

I hope the fuse has already been lit, and I do not see how marriage can be a viable option for the foreseeable future in the United States. It will probably not be a viable option in the United States in my lifetime (I’m thirty-one).

How is taking a foreign bride going to work if feminism gains a chokehold in her country? Then husband and wife will have to move to a third country where feminism is not on steroids, and repeat the process by moving to a fourth country as feminism gains traction in the third country.

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numnut January 21, 2013 at 12:09

Superlative and excellent timing as it flies in the face of the xian women denying the FI at Dalrock’s.

We shall overcome

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Tam the Bam January 21, 2013 at 12:47

” But at the upper end of the economic divide feminism is undoubtedly one of the factors creating an environment in which the upper middle class self selects for positive traits such as increasing IQ. This is ostensibly a benefit .. “
Problem with assortative mating among a self-selecting “elite” is that both both advantageous and dangerous traits can become entrained.
So what do we have here?
A vast clerkly caste, originally called into being by the needs of the Heroic Age of Industrialization. In the first phase, not so much of a problem, as the (female) partner need have no talents whatsoever beyond “child-bearing hips” and a bit of discretion and was generally uneducated and most definitely and proudly “unemployable”.
So could theoretically be drawn from almost any socially suitable stratum.
In the second phase (say, post-3rd Battle of Ypres as a vague hinge point) the female peers of the next cohort of tellers, accountants, filing clerks, teachers, telephonists, typists and so on (the list of occupations dislodged even within my lifetime by IT is quite staggering, I sometimes forget just how many of these jobs there were) are recruited to join the hordes of pen-pushers, again by “merit”, schooling and so on.

These operatives are rewarded preferentially and live far, far easier lives than the “dumb” coalminers, cotton-spinners and farmhands.

And the state kept on testing for, and rewarding, those who displayed a propensity for rote learning, prodigious feats of memorisation, spooky number-fu, routines, rules, timekeeping, and this vastly expanded class is encouraged (as much by their own delusions of superiority, as anything) to mate endogamously, to reinforce their inimitable “qualities”.

And even with the unhelpful Wakefield vaccination fraud, people are just now beginning to cotton on that the increasing spread of pervasive developmental disorders, especially the now-deprecated Asperger Syndrome, is not just a function of frenetic overdiagnosis.
Or pushy (upper) middle-class mommies finding excuses as to why their precious (way late, and possibly only) heir is emotionally and educationally impaired in various exotic ways which display precisely the ideal aptitudes of the Victorian ledger-keeper, or mill-shop storesman (the cranky guy in the shopcoat that everybody was afraid of when they had to get a new cutter, or a certain type of Whitworth thread, you remember!). Display, and inconveniently exceed, in many sad cases.

And these syndromey children may well never breed. Wonder who’s fault that will be?

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Zorro January 21, 2013 at 13:01

“That an army may march a thousand li without wearying itself is because it travels where there is no enemy.” -Sun Tzu

Now dwell on that for a week or two. When I read The Art of War for the first time over 20 years ago, that one line completely changed my life. (Also, the Samuel Griffith translation is the only worthwhile one available. I promise!)

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Ethical January 21, 2013 at 13:35

Zorro said:

“That an army may march a thousand li without wearying itself is because it travels where there is no enemy.”

-Sun Tzu

Now dwell on that for a week or two.

@Zorro:
Great point. We all hope we don’t have to defend ourselves against the enemy in our travels. On the other hand who wants to travel a thousand li to avoid them? Somewhere there’s a balance between the least bit of conflict and the least bit of disruption from avoiding conflict.

Mike G. January 21, 2013 at 15:14

You do know that Feminism is a construct of Socialism, right? A lot of conservative minded women are coming to realize the devastation that Feminism has wrought on them and society as a whole and they are fighting back.

I’m not saying that we should go back to “barefoot, pregnant and chained to the stove”, but there should be a happy medium in there somewhere.

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Salvatore January 21, 2013 at 15:49

@ Ludmilla
I notice the same thing where I live. I see alot of white girls [playgrounds, ball fields, school yards, everywhere ]. Hardly any white boys. Every white woman I know who has given birth in the last 5 years , when I first started to notice the girl/boy ratio discrepancy, has given birth to a girl.
I’ve come to the conclusion they’re sex-selecting — aborting their boys. [ I'm opposed to abortion period].
The unnatural discrepancy in the girl/boy ratio can’t be just from estrogen in contaceptatives. Just my opinion. I’m not a doctor or scientist.
I just see alot of white girls and hardly any white boys.
All the white women I know here in Northern California are feminists. Many of them are what I call “female supremacists”. I’ve come to the conclusion many of them are aborting their boys in the womb.

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bruno January 21, 2013 at 15:52

Just saw a documentary on our national TV, about an African woman who immigrated to Belgium, and was now living with her two sons in Brussels.

She said: ” My sons miss a father in the house. In our culture, we believe that a boy who grows up without a father, can never become a real man. He will be weak and doesn’t know how to behave.
When a man behaves foolish, we even joke and say: he was raised by a woman. ”

I guess the feminazi censorship were sleeping at the controls.

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Anti W January 21, 2013 at 15:59

@ Salvatore
White women are worse here in Southern California. Same with black women. A lot of broads have entitlement issues.

California is the most feminized in the nation.

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Mickey T January 21, 2013 at 16:04

Off topic-

Sorry to interrupt this interesting discussion, but some things must be told to the right people about the gala Inauguration today

Obama did the usual freedom and liberty for the oppressed routine and, of course, he had to make a reference to Seneca Falls. He also made it crystal clear that he is very passionate about women getting the same pay for the same work as men, and he assured the ladies they will get fair rewards for their efforts. The girls almost orgasmically cheered. It doesn’t take much to convince them that they are oppressed and now they finally have a Messiah to free them from male bondage.

Some where in the event, a group sang “Oh Happy Day” with a female lead singer. We all know the rest of that line is: “When Jesus washed my sins away”.

Another four years of our savior.

Oh happy day.

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Ethical January 21, 2013 at 16:25

@Ludmilla
According to a study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the ratio of males to females at birth has been trending down since the early seventies. This might correspond with the fact that in 1972 the Supreme Court (in Baird v. Eisenstadt) legalized birth control for all citizens of the US, irrespective of marital status.

The CDC is tracking this stat for a reason. In their words “the ratio of males to females at birth has been used to assess the impact of environmental factors on the endocrine system and reproductive health of humans”.

Sounds ominous.

Ethical January 21, 2013 at 16:45

Tam the Bam said:

Problem with assortative mating among a self-selecting “elite” is that both both advantageous and dangerous traits can become entrained … people are just now beginning to cotton on that the increasing spread of pervasive developmental disorders, especially the now-deprecated Asperger Syndrome, is not just a function of frenetic overdiagnosis … And these syndromey children may well never breed.

@Tam the Bam:
Interesting theory. But all the data I could find says poor people tend to be crazier. Asperger’s, ADHD, etc. might certainly be increasing, but there no correlation between that increase and a higher incidence of assortative mating among a self-selecting “elite” is immediately evident.

American Dude January 21, 2013 at 17:03

You make some good points, but I have to say you used some feminist talking points mixed with talking about foreign girls with no knowledge of dating them and living in Eastern Europe yourself.

First off, my experience was in the Czech Republic. Second off, when you say “Who wants to travel a thousand to avoid them?” means something different 200 years ago when to travel 1000 miles was a great deal, but today 1000 miles is just a plane flight away.

Onto the meat of my discussion on why you underestimate the foreign girls appeal to people like Roosh and me. The year of 2011 I was 21 and moved to the Czech Republic for a year. I am a professional poker player and that year I made around 100,000 dollars. I had had some hookups in the states before, but never a girlfriend. At the casino where I played poker a lot there was a really good looking waitress around 20 years old. I asked the card room manager to set me up. So he did. We had a great relationship for pretty much the whole year. She spoke English, looked like a younger version of this: http://www.femininebeauty.info/f/helena.mattsson.5.jpg.
I had just read the Godfather, so, I opened the relationship by giving her a thousand dollar necklace…I know, very beta, but she loved it and although she had more experience to me was not “an escort with a bad spending habit.” I probably spent 8000 dollars on her over the course of a year. Furthermore, at first, she protested me giving her any money. It wasn’t till after a month ago she accepted and then she started really getting into me, cooking fore me, and being very protective of me. I had no car and a shitty apartment. And we really loved each other that year. This relationship would be impossible in the states. Girls in the states I could get would be unappreciative of my money and would not want a traditional relationships. And they are way worse looking to boot!

You think people in poorer countries are all whores, but it’s not true. For a successful guy they are less maintenance, and way better looking than western counterparts. It’s only the people that go on marriage tours and are crass with them that get treated poorly. People like that also get paired up with washed up gold diggers, girls with personality flaws, and exploitive girls. The best girls are the ones who work, students who have jobs, and are girls you meet in your line of work in the country. It’s not running away to live over there. The girls are better. Your assets are easier to protect, lots of safety deposit boxes, and food has less GMO in it.

Leaving western women behind to live a better life is exercising male choice, something which you should support wholeheartedly. You are using shaming tactics to somehow say it is more noble to stay in the states. Its not. I support what this site is doing, but Americans are free men who can date and live wherever they want. A mens rights website should support that and not say whah some guys meet gold diggers whah. Why is it noble to eat shitty food and spend time with shitty women when you are treated better in a different culture and different country with beautiful girls who appreciate you?
I spent less than 10% of my money on my girl when I lived in Eastern Europe and a lot of that was excessive because I had never had a loyal, beautiful girlfriend. She wasn’t a gold digger, she was just normal waitress going to college. In the states guys like me are denied what we want most. So, fuck the states. Yay FREEDOM!

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Zorro January 21, 2013 at 18:00

@Ethical January 21, 2013 at 13:35

That quote addresses the difference between effort and conflict. Everything that needs to be done requires effort, but conflict will suck the life out of you. Most people would prefer to cross a mountain range where there were no enemies or dangerous animals rather than a two-acre swamp that was populated with snipers or dangerous animals.

Why that quote? Leaving the US and getting hitched in a society that still valued traditional or religious-based marriage is far less hazardous than rolling the dice in this feminist pisshole of a once-proud nation.

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Tam the Bam January 21, 2013 at 18:23

Ethical: Just kite-flying on a hunch. Needs taking apart, like you are doing. Keep up the good work.
I suppose that even one generation of crazy is enough to dump you out of a “meritocratic” caste to join the legions of the poor and drag down their overall level of functional individuals, despite “the poor” being not a whit less smart than the bureaucratic orders, on a person to person basis.
We still have hereditary aristocrats, and if it wasn’t for the cast-iron livings they’re slotted into by right of birth, well, just looking at them, and hearing the poor things speak tells you all you need to know about their likely prospects under a competitive regimen.

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Tree January 21, 2013 at 18:29

@Ethical

The data is a decade old, so they have known this for a decade.
The number one correlating factor to Autism, Aspergers, and ADHD is the age of the mother during gestation. As humans get older, our immune systems get twitchier. The older the woman, the more antigens that attack the fetus (and its brain), and the higher the chance of the children having one of these disorders.

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Anonymous Reader January 21, 2013 at 18:42

After the dust clears upper middle class men might even have enough assets left over to be attractive to other women so they can find a new partner and start a new life if they so desire.

Simple arithmetic demonstrate this:

UMC man worth $10,000,000 loses 80% of his wealth to his twu wuf in a divorce – he has $2 million to restart his life with. He will have to downscale to a mere middle class life, but likely can recoup at least half of what he lost in 5 years or so.

Middle class office worker worth $100,000 louses 80% of his wealth similarly. The $20K left over is barely sufficient to be a “rainy day” fund for car repairs. He’ll be sleeping in his car or in a really cheap motel for a while, and will take a couple of decades to recover financially.

Blue collar welder worth $10,000 louses all but $2,000 similarly.
He’s screwed.

Now, which of the above groups has the power to alter VAWA, or Bradley? The one that is least affected, obviously.

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Anonymous age 70 January 21, 2013 at 19:03

>>And I add that although I appreciate the wisdom of expatting and might one day do so myself, even those benefits can only go so far. I have to ask whether given the effort of running from feminism, whether it’s abandoning one’s country, abandoning one’s parents or bringing them to an unfamiliar environment where they’ll live out the rest of their days disconnected, is taking up some small position in the political fight against feminism really such a burden in comparison?

Not for men who do nothing but write anonymously on the Web. In my case, I spent 10,000 over 10 years in various elements of the fight. I wrote militant op-eds, every two months to our local newspaper for 15 years. Pickted the courthouse with one other man. Supplied counseling for divorced men including suicide counseling. And, even after all that, I was accused of cowardice when I left for Mexico. By men who nearly 100% did nothing themselves but run their mouths in private boards.

So, my answer is, yes, taking a small position in the political fight against feminism is a great burden. Especially when every day it is other men who fight with you.

I never abandoned anyone. My nation abandoned me.

No nation in history has ever reversed feminism, without first totally collapsing. This is not going to be an exception.

>>How is taking a foreign bride going to work if feminism gains a chokehold in her country? Then husband and wife will have to move to a third country where feminism is not on steroids, and repeat the process by moving to a fourth country as feminism gains traction in the third country.How is taking a foreign bride going to work if feminism gains a chokehold in her country? Then husband and wife will have to move to a third country where feminism is not on steroids, and repeat the process by moving to a fourth country as feminism gains traction in the third country.

Here we go again. A writer who has no grasp of what is involved in feminism taking over a nation. One thing is imperative before feminists can dominate a nation. The government must supply a substitute husband so women simply do not need a real one.

The US is totally dominated (at this time) by feminism because of two sources of substitute husbands. First, welfare checks. Second, affirmative action do-nothing jobs.

Since women have their own money, they simply don’t need men. So, feminism goes totally crazy.

There are nations which are not rich enough to supply those free goodies for women. I live in one, Mexico. Even though some of th4e same laws are in effect here, few women can afford to invoke them. There are many other nations, and feminism will simply never get a chokehold on them.

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Brendan January 21, 2013 at 19:24

One of your seminal posts, Bill. Seriously good stuff.

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justeunperdant January 21, 2013 at 19:53

I always wonder all my life what is my genetic purpose. I am so different from the masses. I don’t fit anywhere in this world. I am a survivalist that like reading surviving manual; I like to be alone and look for solitude and peace of mind; I believe that life is a constant struggle to survive; I believe that you must keep your body and mind in good shape; I hate most people and find them stupid and so on.

I always wonder why life keep these individual that fit nowhere like me alive. Go to fetlife open a free account and look at the people there; what you have is a small band of people that seems to live in a another world. These are another group of people that does not fit in today world. We could also include all the people that reject today society values such as feminism, consumerism , …. I think these marginal people like me and others are nature backup plan in case something goes wrong.

We should not forget that modern society is about 500 year old.

I would like to suggest another explanation. White knight/mangina reproduce a lot because there are weak. If you prefer they are like rabbits in the wood, they are at the bottom of the human genetic breed. They have to reproduce otherwise their genetic legacy will vanish. A good example of a weak individual is David futrellle. I think feminist and White knight/mangina are fighting for the continuation of their genetic legacy. The only reason they are numerous now it is because this modern society is beneficial to them. I would not be surprise if they were the first to go at the system go down. I would be not be surprised if they kill themselves in greater number, starve to death because they have no will to fight and so on. Basically, white knight/mangina and feminist are not capable to adapt to change and like to be told what to do and what to think and how to behave.

Yes I think people reading this blog and other are the backup plan of nature and probably the next genetic breed to raise up if the human race does not go extinct.

Time will tell.

It seems that these kind of news are more common lately:

Humans are plague on Earth – Attenborough
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9815862/Humans-are-plague-on-Earth-Attenborough.html

Two strippers, one pregnant, brawl over a dollar.
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Two-strippers-one-pregnant-brawl-over-a-dollar-4210874.php

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joeb January 21, 2013 at 22:48

Feminist will eat there young , The blue pill men will be consumed as Jacana like behavior becomes prevalent within the matriarchal order .
The Jacana is a nasty bird the smallish male protects the nest from harm but, Other Jacana females attacks the nest smashing the eggs , What happens next is the Male is forced to Mate with the Female and it begins again .
We see the pressure the red pill is putting on society already , Fear is growing .Humans are not programmed to leave a threat to the continuation of the species .
I just don’t see a generation going buy before the threat is addressed . That’s what we are seeing now in the men’s movement an instinctive need to address the problem before it threatens the Hive .
I do find the high birth rate of females in second gen feminist family’s as interesting . I started noticing this a number of years ago . All the Matriarchal family’s had female children .
This is a simple Matter of religion my Job brought me to Hundreds of Churches . I began to notice a difference in Americanized Churches from Traditional Catholic Churches . Catholic Churches Just plain had more Family’s Together with Boys .
New age Churches had Matriarchs and often More Girls . Its weird but , As you get older you can attest to these things even know the world would disagree seeing is believing . Its Like God is taken care of the problem by Just removing the Males from the gene pool .
I suppose there is a scientific explanation , but Ill believe what I want . There Just seems to be more solace in believing .

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W.F. Price January 22, 2013 at 00:44

One of your seminal posts, Bill. Seriously good stuff.

-Brendan

I’d be happy if it were mine, but I can only claim to have quickly reviewed the post and clicked “publish.”

This post belongs to Ethical.

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MKP January 22, 2013 at 06:02

“You do know that Feminism is a construct of Socialism, right? A lot of conservative minded women are coming to realize the devastation that Feminism has wrought on them and society as a whole and they are fighting back.”

Oh, they are fucking not. Every week someone comes in here and tells us that conservative women are “fighting back” on behalf of men.

Why are woman-initiated divorces virtually as high among conservatives as they are among other demographics? Why are daughters from conservative families going off to play Sex and the City or Grey’s Anatomy at rates just as high as daughters from liberal and moderate families? Why are Christian churches always trying to convince men to marry skanked-out single moms, and encouraging catastrophic behavior among their girls? Why does Christian “forgiveness” now ALWAYS mean that women do something stupid and men forgive?

Every one of these ^ assertions is fully explained and documented in previous articles on this very site, by the way. There’s nothing different about conservative women when it comes to feminism, other than the fact that they don’t like abortion.

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joeb January 22, 2013 at 07:04

Conservatives want your vote as they shirk the issue . Just call the family council and see what they say . I think I’m going to prompt an answer soon . I v been working on this one .
liberals want use to ally with the LBGT witch is a joke . Politics has nothing to do with Men’s issue’s its flat out the one thing they need to avoid.
A costly legal battle .

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Ethical January 22, 2013 at 08:40

American Dude said:

you underestimate the foreign girls appeal to people like Roosh and me.

@American Dude:

Not in the least. I think they’re amazing. You and Roosh do good work in spreading the word.

American Dude said:

I opened the relationship by giving her a thousand dollar necklace…I know, very beta

@American Dude:

[cringe] I feel sympathy pains. But let none of us throw stones from our glass houses. All of us, even scores of scorching women throwing themselves at him a day guys like Kobe, have gone beta at times.

American Dude said:

Girls in the states I could get would be unappreciative of my money

@American Dude:

It might take a little more cash in the west to get some here girls dizzy. But girls EVERYWHERE are appreciative of money. With the right outlook and prospecting diligently enough for candidates, $100,000 K was probably more than enough to have “turned out” a great many college students into hardcore porn much less dating REGARDLESS of the man. I’m sure most porn producers started with much less.

American Dude said:

You think people in poorer countries are all whores

@American Dude:

Not in the least. I wholeheartedly agree the odds are far better for finding a non-feminist woman outside the west. But not every donkey is named Deuteronomy. As someone who’s traveled … just saying that men … ESPECIALLY a man with fast money (gambling) … should walk with eyes open if intending to marry. Her being from a non-feminist and less decadent country doesn’t turn clear heels into sensible shoes.

American Dude said:

Leaving western women behind to live a better life is exercising male choice, something which you should support wholeheartedly. You are using shaming tactics to somehow say it is more noble to stay in the states. Its not.

Anonymous age 70 said:

In my case, I spent 10,000 over 10 years in various elements of the fight. I wrote militant op-eds, every two months to our local newspaper for 15 years. Picketed the courthouse with one other man. Supplied counseling for divorced men including suicide counseling. And, even after all that, I was accused of cowardice when I left for Mexico.

So, my answer is, yes, taking a small position in the political fight against feminism is a great burden. Especially when every day it is other men who fight with you.

@American Dude, Anonymous age 70:

IMHO it’s not necessarily more noble to stay. But in an ideal world not having to leave would be a whole lot more convenient.

The point wasn’t to question anyone’s decision to expat … but to question the anti-MRA hate on men’s rights activism at the same time it proposes all kinds of measures to escape the admittedly evil feminist infection. Supporting men’s rights activism in some token way isn’t really all that bad considering the lengths we’re forced to go to avoiding feminism.

There’s great wisdom in doing enough that we get some inner benefit, or engaging in activism with some concrete alternate objective in mind, but not doing so much we suffer if our efforts don’t bear fruit otherwise. It’s like giving a broke guy on the street a dollar here or there because it feels good to be kind to another person. That doesn’t have to turn into giving so much we can’t pay our own bills and then have to start stalking him to make sure he’s turning his life around instead of buying crack.

Ethical January 22, 2013 at 09:22

Tree said:

… they have known this for a decade.
The number one correlating factor to Autism, Aspergers, and ADHD is the age of the mother during gestation.

@Tree:
Thanks for the info. I was startled to confirm the link between maternal age and ADHD, or autism, though I couldn’t confirm it was the number one factor. I never knew about this at all. No doubt at all about the forces at work behind this information not being more publicized. While looking for proof of the connection to maternal age I DID turn up a study from some undoubtedly feminist female researcher who had squandered untold research dollars trying to show that having children too young was the issue.

American Dude January 22, 2013 at 10:04

I appreciate the comments to what I wrote. One thing I hate is how Anonymous tried to say I was taking a bride by dating a foreign girl….I was just dating, no marriage…Look the USA model is collapsing…

I totally agree with this. “The point wasn’t to question anyone’s decision to expat … but to question the anti-MRA hate on men’s rights activism at the same time it proposes all kinds of measures to escape the admittedly evil feminist infection. Supporting men’s rights activism in some token way isn’t really all that bad considering the lengths we’re forced to go to avoiding feminism.”

I’m just saying moving abroad is a good option.

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Mickey T January 22, 2013 at 13:02

@ joeb

With respect, what part of “lobby” don’t you understand?

Feminism is a form of government, our government. Our fate and everyday lives are controlled by the ruling female class. That would be the same government which still has political parties (all) who will succumb with enough legal bribery. It’s up to US to use what tools that are available to influence our legislators while we still can. Perhaps we could start with voting blocks etc………….

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Mickey T January 22, 2013 at 14:44

@joeb

It’s always good to see somebody doing something, as long as you know what party(s) to put pressure on and what issues to address. If nothing else (I’m not saying that about you) at the least somebody is making the issues that are important to him known to the right people. It counts.

I made such a pain in the ass of myself on the VAWA issue at my US Senator’s office, they stopped taking my calls, but I’m not finished with him yet. They will almost always shirk an issue, but you have to use your vote and money (if possible) as a bargaining tool.

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Dw3 January 22, 2013 at 15:29

While I realize that much, much more than these few things need to be done to change things, here are a few concrete examples that one can do. I live in a small city of less than 20,000 people, so some may not apply to everyone.

- Every time there is any mention of domestic violence in the local newspaper, I write a letter to the editor. Often, it’s only a couple sentences bringing up the fact that there are no services available f0r men who are abused.

- Every time the local elected representatives hold an open house, I put on a suit and go ask questions about equal parenting and other men’s issues. Equal parenting happens to be party policy of the government in Canada, so I can read directly from the party platform and ask why they still haven’t brought forward legislation.

- I run an ad in the local paper that advertises that there is someone to talk to for men who are experiencing divorce or separation. I actually don’t have to pay for the ad, since I’ve convince the editor / publisher that since there’s a Crisis Pregnancy ad and an Abused Women ad, there should be some balance.

- When someone calls, I talk to them and help in any way I can. I go to court with them, help them get Legal Aid or find a lawyer, offer to facilitate visitation / access at my home if needed, whatever I can do to help a man out.

- I write and call my elected representatives on a regular basis. I’m on first name basis with their office staff. I also write the various Ministers and the Premier and Prime Minister’s office.

- I volunteer on election campaigns at the Federal and Provincial level, so that the politicians around here know me, not just as a complainer, but as someone who will get out and put up signs and knock on doors on their behalf. It probably matters that the election results are not in doubt in this area, so it’s easy to help the winner.

Perhaps the important question is, has any of this accomplished anything? The answer is no, not really, but it has made me feel like I’m part of something important and larger than myself, even though it’s all been done by myself.

Most importantly, it’s helped me recover from a bitter divorce that bankrupted me and crushed me. Despite losing everything and being hurt and humiliated, I am proud to now be able to help people in that situation themselves. I remember how it felt to be alone. The men I’ve helped literally look at me like some kind of Saint.

Despite the fact that he doesn’t know anything about any of this, not coincidentally, I’m now a man that my son is proud of, and who he respects as a spirited individual, which to me, is the most important part of being a man and a a dad.

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woggy January 22, 2013 at 16:32

@MKP
“You do know that Feminism is a construct of Socialism, right? A lot of conservative minded women are coming to realize the devastation that Feminism has wrought on them and society as a whole and they are fighting back.”

Oh, they are fucking not. Every week someone comes in here and tells us that conservative women are “fighting back” on behalf of men.

I’m going to nitpick in the interest of what the quote actually says.
Nowhere does it say that women are fighting back on BEHALF OF MEN.

It doesn’t say that “conservative women” are fighting back enmasse .

If some women are “fighting back”, even for selfish reasons, are men harmed by that?
Do we suppose that the bra burning dykes really split hairs a great deal over the reason that heterosexual women and manginas pulled on the same end of the rope as they?

Is it worth the time and energy to say more than “don’t let your guard down, guys” when speculating at the motives of the few women who pull our end of the rope today?

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American Dude January 22, 2013 at 17:12

Dw3
Great story. Seriously, breaking up is tough, and marriage is even worse I hear…Really great you were able to do positive things. Nothing I can’t stand more than a Western Woman…

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Mickey T January 22, 2013 at 17:36

@Dw3

Inspiring!

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Mickey T January 22, 2013 at 18:00

A superb example of female political savvy:

Jesse Watters, Fox News reporter was at the Inauguration in DC yesterday asking people at random, exactly what they were celebrating.
When he asked a woman in her thirties or so, she replied: “being a female under him” [Obama].

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Attila January 22, 2013 at 20:05

Women will always be after resources— it’s hard-wired in all of them. I’ve never met one who didn’t think she was or shouldn’t get/deserve to get more than what she had at that moment. If you can live while minimizing interactions with them…fine. I almost always feel diminished and infantilized after dealing with them – and that includes relatives.

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MKP January 22, 2013 at 20:46

@ DW3.

That’s amazing. Excellent stuff. I take issue with the statement that you haven’t accomplished anything. I’d bet you’ve accomplished a lot more than you realize.

I’m sure your son will grow up to be a fine young man. Congratulations.

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Mike G. January 23, 2013 at 08:43

@ woggy
Thanks for defending my statement. You defended it much better than I could and got the gist of what I was saying.

@MKP
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I apologize for not being more clear in my statement. But that being said, you would have to agree that modern feminism is a construct of Socialism. It’s just another way to expand the class warfare that’s the root of America’s problems.

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Ethical January 23, 2013 at 14:02

observer said:

Opus correctly perceived … that white men in the west train up their own precious white women into arrogant, excessively demanding and unreasonable snobs at home. Then having finished their devilish work locally, these same men then go abroad to find good acceptable women to settle down with and to marry well brought up and humble virgins.

@observer:

This is a point that really bears some investigation. Most men of all races and creeds in the west, particularly in the upper middle class, want their daughters to be independent women who don’t need to rely on a man (read feminist).

There are some good reasons for western men wanting their daughters to be feminist. If she’s in the upper middle class, her being a sexually liberated carouseller will help that daughter leverage the hypergamous power of the pussy better to find the highest status man she can. And when she does marry, her fierce sense of entitlement will help her keep her husband completely subjugated to her by implicitly threatening the full might of the state whenever he doesn’t immediately and unquestioningly submit to her demands.

But at the same time we as fathers see how destructive those feminist behaviors are within our own marriages. With only a little reflection a patriarch can’t help but see how his daughter’s feminist behaviors will weaken his grandchildren. By denying them the patriarch a desirable son-in-law should also be, and giving them the poor substitute of a “feminist appliance”, his daughter’s feminist behaviors will help make his grandchildren less likely to enjoy a patriarch’s devoted support, and more likely to suffer from a headstrong woman’s unopposed and self-indulgent whims.

The traditional solution is to train our daughter’s to be submissive to their husband; to make sure they have every support in protecting their virtue and character, and to make sure they have every support in being matched with (and assistance in screening) potential mates so that they may be rewarded with husbands who are worthy of their devotion and submission. This by no means is equivalent to arranged marriage which is generally not endemic to the west, though at the same time no disparagement of arranged marriage is intended whatsoever.

Of course neither the law nor the west’s social infrastructure support western fathers in taking responsibility for their own daughter’s character and upbringing. Even if they did most western fathers are not only unprepared to shoulder this responsibility, but also would prefer that the burden of virtue be placed solely on their prospective son-in-law.

This shift of responsibility is in essence a theft of virtue from someone else’s child. Rather than give a virtuous daughter for a virtuous son-in-law, we give a daughter who is rotten to the core in return for a getting son-in-law we expect to be flawless. This is the hypocrisy of saying “society is better off if no-one else steals”, while we as individuals mean “it is better off if no one else but us steals”.

All of us in the manosphere are enraged that such a lopsided deal is increasingly forced on our own sons. Yet a good many of us are still loathe to instruct the virtue and submissiveness in our daughters that would avoid the same raw deal being forced on the son of someone else. Luckily our elders and betters are ready to help with simple and direct guidance on the matter that those with faith can easily put into practice.

“None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself”.

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Ode January 23, 2013 at 17:28

“a female’s … life is far more valuable [to society] than a man’s … The number of babies that can be born is the same even if a large portion of the men die, while this not the case if even a single woman dies … [assuming] that women spend their entire lives … bearing and taking care of children.

If females are so much more valueable then why did Mother Nature design the female body to have equal probability to produce either male or female babies?
Why didn’t the human race biologically evolved so that females have say a 90% chance of producing a girl and a 10% chance of producing a boy?
oops there’s a paradox.

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American Dude January 23, 2013 at 19:45

that white men in the west train up their own precious white women into arrogant, excessively demanding and unreasonable snobs at home. Then having finished their devilish work locally, these same men then go abroad to find good acceptable women to settle down with and to marry well brought up and humble virgins.

Ethical makes some good points, but Observer statement is ridiculous, to me as a young white man, I take no responsibility for the this. This is comparable to the white guilt bs they peddle in schools to train whites to feel bad for being white men. Your statement is ridiculous on its face when told to a young man, because being a young person, no I am not responsible for the bs other Americans did before me. My 2 cents. Slavery has been part of the world forever, but I have never owned or desired slaves, so, no I do not feel guilty for slavery thank you. I also have never had a daughter so, no, I am not guilty for the state of women in America thank you.

Part of being a man is taking responsibility for you own life. This is not to say I don’t have the utmost sympathy for men screwed in divorce because they thought they were doing what was culturally acceptable due to their grandparents and parents and society herding them into a situation that had in fact changed drastically as a mechanism to ensure their happiness and stability into one used to enslave them and make them unhappy.
But with regards to a man blaming white men for causing female entitlement, I mean, this is just ridiculous. You make a good point about men’s culpability in the system, but get off your high horse about blaming the evil white men. First of all what is a white man? Is it a Czech guy? Italian? Half Irish, half german? Half black? Also, a lot of white guys aren’t getting virgins abroad…I would say very few are…Your acting like, “all these white men are the problem!” White men aren’t one big borg person stomping on everyone else Jeez Louise..

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observer January 23, 2013 at 23:01

@Ethical:
“”There are some good reasons for western men wanting their daughters to be feminist[No kidding eh]… Her being a sexually liberated carouseller will help that daughter leverage the hypergamous power of the pussy better to find the highest status man she can.””

Thank you for your detailed response Ethical … but these noble motives of rich men, only poisons the well for every man over time. You did notice the rich white mans bastard son go berserk in Connecticut, mass killing his carouseller single mother and others didn’t you ?

The elites children themselves are biting back at their hostage-hood and misuse.

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Tam the Bam January 24, 2013 at 14:42

Righty-ho, after a bit of cursory scratching about on the web, I see that Borat’s cousin has a sophisticated “little bit o’ this, little bit o’ that” hypothesis.
” .. the genetic theory has a lot of evidence, and what we are now testing is that if two “systemizers” have a child, this will increase the risk of the child having autism. That’s it in a nutshell. “

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/baron-cohen05/baron-cohen05_index.html
Dunno how old this page is, but I do know he’s a very smart bloke indeed, and it is his trade, so I think I’ll spend a while reading around this.
Not sure about how far down the road to go with the “hypermale” notion, though. Intriguing. Could the roots of the ManJaw phenomenon, and auty boys, be the same?

Mummy dearest is T-elevated, possibly for behaviour-dependent reasons (raised as Living Gods, in Proper Middle-Class Western society), and a successful spawning with a situational-Alpha chap (OK .. a lawyer, let’s not be skittish about naming names, eh?) results in a mega-testo spoogefest for the hapless hi-T ovum?

Something’s up, and I’m smelling biology, not culture. Any better guesses?

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Christina January 24, 2013 at 17:46

“our calling as men is to protect the weaker sex, and this carping against those we are made to protect is unmanly and contemptible.”

Call me a feminist, whatever. I know you will. I’m a girl, after all. I usually comment Anonymous because you can’t really tell I’m a girl so can’t attack me on gender – only content.

I see no problem with the idea that it is a man’s job to protect the weaker sex.

Where I have a problem with this idea is the unquestioned idea that “protecting” the weaker sex means pandering to their foolish ideas and self-destructive nonsense.

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Ethical January 24, 2013 at 18:33

@Tam the Bam
Utterly fascinating. I’d never heard of anyone speak about assortative mating theory before, and I’d never seen any of those assortative mating related stats about autism. But I’ve always believed (as it appears you do) in my own version of assortative mating. What’s commonly measured as intelligence is something I never saw as necessarily a positive adaptation. The most “intelligent” people I knew as a child were often more neurotic, less flexible and adaptable, and less resilient in the face of hardship. (I can’t tell if it’s just an illusion but this seems to be less true now. The smarter kids today seem smarter and much more stable than the smart kids I knew as a child.)

Anyway given that neuroticism is related to anxiety, passivity is related to calm, and both are biochemical, it always seemed to me like there’s some kind of chemical “gain” knob on the human brain that makes people more intelligent at the expense of stability if it’s turned up too high, and makes people stable at the expense of dullness if it’s turned down too low. Not all intelligent people have the “gain switch turned up too high”, but when these people with their internal switch set too high get together (as I believe they tend to), the gain is also going to be amped in the child.

No wonder that rather than helping these children to thrive in numbers (i.e. to themselves reproduce in turn), this “intelligence” might make them far more prone to instead being distracted by esoteric problems so they breed themselves out of existence. Busy counting the “trees” rather than seeing the forest, they miss the truly important and universal human values that give tangible contentment: things like family, friends, and being of service to others in one’s community.

I’ve tried to count whether them being able to provide a more stable background, even though their families have lower birth rates, or maybe having a higher likelihood of marriage, means on average these high achievers still have more children (more evolutionary success) than less stressed and lower IQ individuals. I haven’t seen evidence of the answer. They ARE creating a privileged class but it seems to be getting smaller and smaller. On the other hand who knows what evolutionary mechanisms are in operation among modern humans today. Over generations, sheer numbers at which each individual reproduces might have less of an effect on how well that individual’s genes are passed on than stability in a privileged class. This stability could conceivably mean decreased susceptibility to violence, to career disruption, or to other “accidents” that might take children out of the reproductive pool entirely

Anonymous January 24, 2013 at 18:35

Kobe is an ass. I don’t know if that translates into Alpha, but I don’t think it does.

An Ass is a beta trying to hide his beta by behaving the way he THINKS an Alpha should.

Isn’t it according to Dalrock that a real alpha is the guy who constrains his wife in such a way that she wouldn’t want a divorce anyway? Like Taming of the Shrew – Bianca’s boy-toy was a beta; handsome, “gentle”, sympathetic, and ingratiating. As I recall towards the end of the play, its Katherine who is the happiest with her Alpha while Bianca is whining about how she no longer loves her “true love”.

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justeunperdant January 25, 2013 at 10:49

Did Christina just say that:

Where I have a problem with this idea is the unquestioned idea that “protecting” the weaker sex means pandering to their foolish ideas and self-destructive nonsense.

It sound like Christina just said that women are not capable of taking care of them self. Being french Canadian I could have miss read it.

I would really like reading more about this from Christina.

Could you please tell me more about this. Even mey sister that have a university degree in accounting seem to make shitty life choices.

I am looking forward to read more about it. Thank you

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Tam the Bam January 25, 2013 at 12:27

@Ethical: Thanks for the lengthy and considered reply, although I don’t really merit it, as all I’ve been doing is faffing about on the internet, selectively looking for anything that might appear to give credibility to my fairly longstanding suspicions, based on observation and anecdote.

Especially after the insane “Wakefield Affair”. How the hell did that even get off the ground?
Oh, now I remember, middle class mummies were enraged that their lonesome darlings weren’t turning out as godlike geniuses, like themseves and DH. After all they’d done for them. And somebody else must be to blame .. must be an epidemic, that’s right, the jews are drinking their blood er er I mean it must be witchcraft oh wait a minute it’s evil male Scientists poisoning our babies. That’s it.

I was as surprised as anyone when I found out Proper Scientists were looking at this stuff too. Looks like I’m really behind with my homework. I’ve got some heavy-duty reading on this to do, if I’m to give your argument the respect it deserves, and actually have half a clue about what I’m saying.
Later ..

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