Israeli Feminists Attack Pro-life Jews

by W.F. Price on January 9, 2013

Israelis, a relatively small minority in the mainly Muslim Middle East, tend to have a more matter of fact approach to demographics and ethnic survival. For them, self-perpetuation it isn’t exactly a theoretical issue, but a widely accepted mandate. The alternative would be Muslim rule, and that hasn’t been working out all that well for Christians in the region lately.

This allows us to see feminism in a context where it lacks one of the pillars of its ideology: total female control over fertility. Of course, because Israel is a relatively liberal state, women do have access to abortion and can live like Carrie Bradshaw of Sex and the City if they choose, but they’d be defying convention and likely frowned upon for taking that path, and women are receptive to social pressure. Therefore, as they see it, the situation is far from ideal. You see, in the feminist world, we should all be celebrating abortion, female promiscuity and rejection of family.

Below, the feminist “organizer” explains her grievance. Note the objection:

“The worst part is that they’re using the woman for demographics,” said protest organizer Tzaphira Allison Stern. “Why shouldn’t a woman have an abortion? Because we need the baby so there are more Jews, and so there are more Israeli soldiers, so we can defend the land and continue the occupation.”

It’s kind of funny that she feels angry about the idea of “using the women for demographics.” Actually, I thought nature did that, too. Does it offend her that the human race uses women “for demographics?” Should it use something else such as, say, trees?

She goes on:

Stern stressed that the feminist activists involved in the protest were not pro-abortion. “I don’t get involved [with the decision to abort] because a woman’s ovaries aren’t part of the public sphere,” she said.

The above really shows the difference between an Israeli and Western feminist. A Western feminist would come right out and urge abortion, and in fact they do just that with their abortion ships, one of which caused a riot last year when it docked in a North African port to abort Muslim babies.

However, Ms. Stern knows better than to overplay her hand, so I’ve got to give credit to the Israelis for keeping the feminists in check. If only Americans had the sense to do the same.

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geographybeefinalisthimself January 9, 2013 at 14:59

“Israelis, a relatively small minority in the mainly Muslim Middle East, tend to have a more matter of fact approach to demographics and ethnic survival.”

I would have to dispute this on one difference between Islam and Judaism. Islam welcomes converts; Judaism has an exceptionally poor track record of welcoming converts. Judaism calls itself “the chosen people”; “chosen” being a loaded past participle.

Little wonder that of the Arab countries, only Egypt and Jordan have diplomatic relations with Israel. Multiple other supermajority Muslim nations also do not recognize Israel. Quite a few supermajority Muslim nations deny both Israeli passport holders and non-Israeli passport holders who have already been to Israel entrance into their respective territories.

Many Jews try to use their religious affiliation as if it were a biological race or ethnicity. Last 04/01/2010, 04/01/2000, and 04/01/1990, when I was counted in the respective U. S. censuses, “Jewish” was not an option for the racial classification on either the short form or the long form, to the presumed chagrin of the Israeli government.

It is entirely possible that the poor track record of welcoming converts plus the attempt to conflate religious affiliation with biological race are a component of the streak of anti-Semitism within Islam.

In the interest of full disclosure, I was raised Roman Catholic. I also feel sorry for Palestinians in their protracted struggle for nationhood. Even in upstate New York, it has been almost impossible to openly empathize with Palestinians without being labeled “inflammatory.”

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Anti Idiocy January 9, 2013 at 15:11

We need to finish developing, refine, and employ on an extensive scale artificial wombs. They will put paid to all this nonsense. If we can then cure the major STDs, we can all enjoy a major fuck fest without worrying about demographics.

Women have no clue how much they will lose if such an eventuality comes to pass.

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Anonymous January 9, 2013 at 16:08

Judaism has an exceptionally poor track record of welcoming converts. Judaism calls itself “the chosen people”; “chosen” being a loaded past participle.

In ancient times, even the converts that stomached the circumcision were relegated to the Court of the Gentiles, never allowed so far in as the birth-right Jews.

As to the original post, I don’t know how religious these Jews are (the pro-life ones), but this woman clearly knows little of her Jewish history.

From a religious standpoint, being the origins of anti-birth control, Judaism has a very strong view of conception and birth in the way that each conception is ordained by God to produce someone important to God’s plan. Given that Judaism is still awaiting its Messiah, the wombs of its women are still seen as incredibly crucial to this aim. Am I making sense?

In other words, this is more than “save an innocent baby” to them. In Christianity, we see this in the following of Tamar in Genesis (because Christ is from the lineage that is birthed through her womb) when her first husband spills his seed and is struck dead. He was a direct obstacle to who Christians believe the Messiah to be.

She is being obtuse if she thinks it’s just demographics.

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asdf January 9, 2013 at 16:24

Israelis don’t keep feminists in check any more than they are in continental Europe. Israel is the same as a western European country in most respects, from pop culture to immigration problems to feminism. And Israelis have to deal with the same feminist bitching that any western country has to deal with (on everything from women in the military to religious organizations to media representation and so on).

The only difference from most western European countries is that there is a religious (Jewish) minority that is procreating like there’s no tomorrow. The conservative out-breeding of leftists that you have been talking about in taking place in America is also taking place in Israel, but for now it’s not enough to have a noticeable impact.

In short, Israel’s demographics and place in the middle east does not insulate it from all the other problems and trends in the rest of the western world, and I think you’re simply making too much out of a single qualifying statement.

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asdf January 9, 2013 at 16:26

@geographybeefinalisthimself:

Conflating the Jewish religion with the Jewish ethnicity is not just a thing Jews do. They have been accepted as one and the same for thousands of years by both Jews and non-Jews alike. In any case, neither this nor their discouragement of conversion are the reason that Muslims seem to hate Jews. If they were, then Muslims wouldn’t hold any hate for Christians.

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TFH January 9, 2013 at 16:56

Women get gina tingles from Islam.

I wouldn’t put it past Israeli women to do a ‘let’s you and him fight’, and them simply side with whoever wins.

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geographybeefinalisthimself January 9, 2013 at 17:03

@ asdf

I’m still siding with the U. S. Census Bureau’s refusal to conflate religious affiliation with biological race/ethnicity.

Israel would collapse if the U. S. withheld all the aid money it sends to Israel because there is no way, after almost 65 years of statehood, that Israel could function independently without U. S. aid. Nice try, thanks for playing.

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freebird January 9, 2013 at 17:22

There was not a single mention in the media of who authorized the transfer of over 500 GBU nuclear bunker buster warheads to Israel roughly 20 years ago when the US govt did that.

They do not need sheer numbers in country as many dual citizens are in the US,and quite a few in govt,including sec def.(dual citizen)

The progenitors of homeland security an odd mixture of Soviet KGB officers and JDL operatives.

When the jewish lobby speaks the america gov trembles.

It was just a year or two ago the entire house of congress went to Israel on an “awareness” vacation.

It’s true there are no mutual defense pacts,and that Israel has almost never fought alongside enlisted US soldiers,it is “given’ that the US will not only run to Israel’s defense,but will actively seek pre-emptive strikes upon her behalf-Iran case in point.

Not to mention we’ve given them an entire airforce,tanks, and a missile defense shield superior to our own.

The feminists may attack (seemingly) in the media,but Israel stands so strong as to be able to ignore these rabid malcontents.

It’s fair to mention the jews marry to their own race/religion to the vast majority,they shun PC thought and action when it hurts their demographic,and only approve it for the goyim,same as running drugs into black neighborhoods,they condemn in the media,yet do that to destroy the undesired demographics.

Their religion allows the destruction of whites/Christians-same as the muslims religion does.

But we are not to speak of these things,it is forbidden to shine a light on the masters of the govt.

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freebird January 9, 2013 at 17:37

“..a number of feminist organizations stood in the rain and chanted “My womb is not an asset!”

That is the truth,there is nothing constructive about feminists,including their wombs.
Feminism is a death-culture.
Satanic in nature,and unnatural in relations.
Considering they kill their own unborn,it is reasonable to consider who else they may kill if given the chance.
(Men/the dreaded patriarchy)

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geographybeefinalisthimself January 9, 2013 at 17:48

also @ asdf

Muslim-Christian relations may be less than amicable, but supermajority Muslim nations do not have a track record of refusing to diplomatically recognize supermajority Christian nations and denying entrance to passport holders from said nations as well as passport holders who have already travelled to supermajority Christian nations. There may be hostility to Christians in Islam, but it has nothing on the level and pervasiveness of Islamic anti-Semitism.

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Attila January 9, 2013 at 18:11

Here’s an Orthodox rabbi speaking about the Ortho position on abortion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhdwAs47Cyc&playnext=1&list=PLLLln_C5WUhux8rWRghxLwjH7AeMTWkly&feature=results_video

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Paul Murray January 9, 2013 at 18:20

Racially, Jews are whatever race they have been in. This is hypergamy in action – jewish women have children to the rich and powerful (like any woman), and jews being an underclass, the rich and powerful are goyim. The offspring are accepted as jews because the mother is jewish, but it’s perfectly obvious that Israelis are white folks from europe, and the surrounding sea of arabs are semites.

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Dubliner January 9, 2013 at 19:30

@geographybeefinalisthimself, go ahead and side with the Census, but I’m telling you that Judaism is an ethnicity as well as religion. I’ve had my DNA tested. It goes back to the Middle East — not Eastern Europe.

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JFinn January 9, 2013 at 19:35

Israel has a toxic mix of chivalry and feminism. The Israeli MRM has grown very strong as a result. But it’s all irrelevant.

The majority of newborns in Israel are either Muslim or ultra-orthodox Jews who don’t serve in the army and barely work and are either anti-Zionist or non-Zionists. And this is excluding the West Bank and Gazza Muslims. The rise of the (abjectly impoverished by choice) Ultra-Orthodox Jewish population has been rapid, averaging 7 kids per family for 30 years now. They now make up 10% of the population and 25% of newborns.

Israel won’t exist in 30 years. It absolutely needs a first-world army to survive. Many leftists have already started making arrangements for second passports, and it’s ridiculously early for that.

The large Palestinian state of the future will likely include Jordan, too.

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asdf January 9, 2013 at 19:50

@geographybeefinalisthimself

You can believe whatever the hell you want. I honestly don’t see why it bothers you so much that Jews and non-Jews alike consider Jews to be their own distinct ethnicity.

As for your claim that Israel is only staying afloat because of the aid they get from the US (~$2 billion, about the same as Egypt gets), the total Israeli GDP is well over $200 billion. How less than 1% of Israel’s GDP is all that keeps Israel functioning is beyond my understanding, but I suppose you have all the math worked out for that.

Anyway, I’ll just leave it at that, as this is getting way off topic.

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joeb January 9, 2013 at 19:50

I just get this really fucked up picture in my head of a Scandinavia slut walk throw the streets of Israel. The Middle eastern press would Light up the airwaves . The wonder women empowerment Girl with the bull dykes . All The gay guys standing around with shaved body’s and speedo’s .
I would wonder if this would be a good thing . One glance and Catholics would be there best friends .

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joeb January 9, 2013 at 20:04
JFinn January 9, 2013 at 20:17

And just to dispel the usual myth, Judaism is not primarily a religion(there are many non-religious and non-believing Jews) and is not a race at all. You can convert to Judaism, and you cannot convert to a race. There are Ethiopian, Filipino(look it up,) Yemeni, Morroccan, Russian, German, Polish, Spaniard, Iraqi, Persian, Tunisian, Tripoli, Hungarian, Dutch, and French Jews. I’m sure I forgot some. They all look nothing like each other.

Judaism is primarily a National Identity.

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El Bastardo January 9, 2013 at 20:55

Interesting.

Every time I read about Israel; I get mixed results. I suspect a lot of it hinges on whether the Rothschild family is as demonic as is claimed. Or if they own Israel as much as I have read? Either way, that small strip of land seemingly much ado about nothing; seems to have everyone up in arms. As a Christian, I have my beliefs; and they tell me that country and its people won’t need much protection. If I am wrong, well, I guess it is good for them they have so much to take as many down as they do; they just might need it.

For example, Freebird states that they have better tech than we do. Its possible; but better tech is only as good as how much in numbers it can knock out. China has so many missiles I heard, that even with a 100% kill ration crap would still get through.

The thing is in my mind; this is a small piece of land and usually no one cares if a few thousand people get displaced. South Asian Mung for example. Yet a bunch of Palestinians are displaced; and even a Jew female condemns her own.

Quite a bit of craziness going on over there. I am always dumbstruck why we keep entertaining peace over there when they have been killing each other for thousands of years. I view Israel like Bruce Wayne in Batman begins; we are not protecting Israel, but the Muslims who will kill themselves if they go to an all out war with the Israelis.

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Ode January 9, 2013 at 23:43

Paul

This is hypergamy in action – jewish women have children to the rich and powerful (like any woman), and jews being an underclass, the rich and powerful are goyim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMxTFqPET5I

Money and power
Sorry I couldn’t resist. Grin

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Ron January 10, 2013 at 00:13

A lot of Jew hate on this board today. Time to clarify a few of your hallucinations and delusions. Normally, im polite, but with this atmosphere, i prefer to be a bit more direct.

1. There was never a “gentile coart”. The maniac who spouted that crap ought to be banned from posting here again.

http://dailyminyan.com/2012/05/30/court-of-the-gentiles-in-the-jewish-temple-clearing-up-misconceptions

2. The Israelis would far and away prefer to take care of their own messes. The reason US troops are in this region is not for our sake, but to keep us from taking the steps we beg your government for permission to take. Yes, i used the word “beg”. Contrary to the fashionable delusion, Tel Aviv takes orders from Washington, not the other way around.

Note that the US keeps the embassy for its “good friend” in a city other than the capital of that nation. That should tell you who calls the shots here,

3. American aid and involvement is at this point mostly a bribe to keep the government on the “peace process” track. Something that nearly 70% of the population wants to end. Which is why we vote in hard right leaders, who then magically continue the peace process. The obvious reason why they do so, which everyone knows is suicide, is because your government, our “great friend” makes it clear what you will do to us if we dont. Google “hillary screams at netanyahu”. Obama may be a vulger crass pig, but his policies are consistent with previous administrations.

4. The money you gave us all these years, was in exchange for handing over to you Egypt after the yom kippur war. It was not a “gift”. Would to God Begin had the sene to give you Egypt and refuse the money.

5. Re: Jewish leftists. They are LEFTISTS. That is how leftists act. They hate the Jewish religion and they do everything they can to deatroy us as well as you. Jews tend to be very good at what we do, which is why you see the jewish leftists being so effective at fucking up our countries. Whatever you think they’ve done to you, they have done much worse to us. Youve never read of the murders, the police actions, the assasinatinos, the bribery. And btw, they did it with a great deal of help and support from you lovely people. Especially the british, who basically put us in their hands.

Want to blame someone for the Jewish leftists? Blame yourselves. Blame your religious and political leaders (especially the pre war european ones) who used them to break our people away from our traditions to open us to your doctrines.

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Ron January 10, 2013 at 00:24

Some people might be scratching their heads when i said wed prefer to take care of our own messes, and beg you for permission.

The last tiime an Israeli government went to war without the permission of the us was with the suez canal. Eisenhower demanded we hand it back, and so we did.

Then we fought and won the 6 day war, capturing a huge amount of tritory andhumiliating the national-socialist Nasser in the eyes of the arab world. So of courae, you told us to hand back land we won, in a war, to a man who wanted us dead. And we did, because it is you who call the shots. At least for now.

Then we fought another war, this time because your ordered us not to atrike first, that was the “yom kippur war”. Btw, there was no “failure of intelligence”. It is widely known here that you forbade us from taking appropriate steps. Even during the war, you told us to stop. When we were 50km from Cairo, and sp we did. Instead of dictating terms we were forced to continue this bullshit.

Now the “peace process” something that is guaranteeing a worse war than anything weve ever seen.

And you make us look like we tell you what to do! And you call us arrogant?

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freebird January 10, 2013 at 04:02

I’m certainly for the State of Israel,just pointing out that that their GDP would not be near as high lacking the security measures the US has given them in the from of training and military equipment.
The fighter jets and missile defense shield is never listed as being part of the foreign aid,and it’s a lot more dollars than the aid itself.
Also-pointing out that Iran is Persian with a quite a large demographic of jews inside it,they have been offered cash to move to Israel and refuse because they standard of living and security is better in Iran than it is in Israel at the time.

The only genuine reason to make war with Iran is for the OIL and to consolidate the empire of the East.

Iran has %40 of the worlds oil reserves and sits on the Straights of Hormuz
The major shipping lane for oil.

Everything else is a smokescreen.
Operation
Iranian
Liberation

We currently occupy every country surrounding Iran,and the NATO missile shield bothers Russia quite a bit.

Just how wise was it to provide Turkey,Germany,and about a dozen other Slovakian countries with GBU nuclear weapons?

Consider the Pakistan/India standoff.

It seems we’re committed to occupying the entire region,that is going to take a toll on our economics.

But we will indeed have a strong hold on the worlds oil production.

This is why we spend more on military than the next 5 countries combined,so you can drive your SUV at a decent cost.
I’m not against that, but must point out the promise of the Bush administration that the Iraqi oil would pay for Iraqi nation-building,when in fact the oil companies took those funds for profits and left the re-building cost to the US taxpayer.

This further consolidates the global corporations with the military industrial complex.
The two are now inseparable.
Eisenhower was right.

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freebird January 10, 2013 at 04:10

It’s true we pretty much had to seize the oil producing countries before Russia and China could get a hold on it.

Given that China is holding our debt and manufacturing jobs,they will require more and more petrol to feed the increased number of cars on the road as many more Chinese can afford cars and are buying them.

Manufacturing also requires a lot of energy.
As long as we hold the military might we have them over a barrel.
(pun intended)

That is to say,all the talk of racial this and religion that is a smokescreen for the global energy/military policy.

Americans need the illusion of ‘promoting democracy and women’s rights’
to approve of these wars of empire.

It’s quite common knowledge,but we have a need for the cognitive dissonance to justify it.

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Anon7 January 10, 2013 at 06:03

A fly in the feminist ointment – antibiotic-immune gonorrhea has now appeared in North America. You catch it, you’ve got it – for life – birth control or no. Sex without consequences is going out the window – no comments yet from the Sex and the City gals.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/08/first-antibiotic-resistant-gonorrhea-cases-detected-in-north-america

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Gil Ronen January 10, 2013 at 06:06
keyster January 10, 2013 at 09:50

Israel is a country divided. There are progressive Jews that celebrate certian traditions and go to Synagogue a few times a year. There are conservative Orthodox Jews that adhere to the strict rituals of marriage and family. And there are Hasidic Jews where Judaism is a way of daily life. The Orthodox and Hasidic Jews are in the minority. The majority are the westernized progressive Jews.

Muslims laugh at Jews because rather than having their precious and valuable gestational carriers stay safely at home to raise more little soldier babies and soldier baby makers, they force them into conscription right along with the always expendable sperm donors. A country or peoples can afford to sacrifice half it’s men in battle defending the homeland and still survive. But once it starts sending it’s women to die right beside it’s men, it’s doomed. This both perplexes and amuses the erstwhile Jihadist warrior.

Now you add the “Feminist Culture” of defiance, independence and social justice for women into the mix – – and you have a country that depends on a waining super-power for it’s continued existence.

Dear Israel:
We here in America don’t need Middle East oil anymore, so we don’t need to pretend your our ally anymore to protect our interests there. We’re getting plenty from Canada shale oil and this new thing called fracking right here. Yeah we have a few hold-outs that want to protect you because they think Jesus will return there someday, but we also have a president that doesn’t believe any of that nonsense, and thinks you’re oppressing Palastinians anyway. So you better drop the Feminist Chic and start pumping your Jewish women full of Jewish sperm to make Jewish soldiers, because we don’t really have your back anymore. Sorry. :(

Signed,
America the Beautiful and Broke

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Crank January 10, 2013 at 10:43

“Islam welcomes converts . . .”

LOL@ “Welcomes”. There’s an understatement if there ever was one.

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Doc January 10, 2013 at 11:03

If she’s so against “using women for demographics” then she should support all efforts to create an artificial womb and removal of this odious responsibility from women. Yet, feminists scream at ANY efforts that would remove women from having all control over reproduction of the species. Feminists understand that it IS this control of reproduction which provides women with so much power. Remove that, and most women are worthless across the board as they require more resources and logistical support than men. It really is that simple, and why Feminists hate men so much – it is only women’s control of reproduction that gives them the leverage they require – of course, they have to act like it’s an odious burden. Yet, it is mostly women that want children – since men can have them at any point throughout their life, there is no “need” to have children…

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keyster January 10, 2013 at 11:09

As for your claim that Israel is only staying afloat because of the aid they get from the US (~$2 billion, about the same as Egypt gets),…

Israel gets over $3,000,000,000 a year in “military grants” from the US. We stopped giving them economic funds in 2007.

Egypt gets $1.6 Billion in aid, about $1.3 Billion of that goes to “military assistance”.

Palestine get’s about $6 Million from the US. Palestine, both the West Bank and Gaza, is the worlds largest recipient per capita of foreign aid in the world. Peace is expensive business.

Israel is by far the most vibrant non-oil economy in the Middle East.

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sestamibi January 10, 2013 at 11:55

@geographybeefinalisthimself

The Census contains no questions about religious affiliation because such are precluded by the First Amendment. I would have thought you knew that. This is also why it is not considered a racial classification.

As for the “chosen people” bit, that is not something we “chose” for ourselves. Others have bestowed that appellation upon us.

@welmer

Perhaps as an Israeli, Ms. Stern might understand that without those Jewish women providing “demographics”, there might not be any Jews much longer, and those that survive will be far more religious than the rest who die out. Compare, for example, Yitta Schwartz, profiled in the NY Times a while back, who died at age 93 after having 18 kids and leaving over 2,000 living descendants, with the likes of Elena Kagan, Monica Lewinsky, Shulamith Firestone, Elizabeth Wurtzel. . .

For Israelis, “demographics” are a matter of survival and self-determination. Too bad American Jews are so self-centered that they can’t see it that way.

Welmer, your friendship is still most gratefully appreciated, unlike EW, whose blog becomes ever more anti-semitic to the point that I don’t go there anymore.

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Mickey T January 10, 2013 at 12:23

A little off topic nostalgia-

It’s nice to see that women somewhere, somewhat comply with societal expectations and/or standards. Of course, not as much as men comply, but men ARE the standard.
“Once there was a time……………………..”

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keyster January 10, 2013 at 12:29

Women binge drink (because the guys are doing it, and doing something guys usually do is empowerment and equality). Getting really drunk is MACHO and demonstrates you’re a strong resilient woman! Plus doing something guys do is a great grrl bonding experience and gives her sexual confidence.

http://healthland.time.com/2013/01/10/chug-chug-chug-why-more-women-are-binge-drinking/?hpt=hp_t3

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geographybeefinalisthimself January 10, 2013 at 12:46

@ Crank

Muslims do, in fact, allow non-Muslims to convert into their faith.

I can’t say the same thing about Jews.

Muslims try harder to get converts to Islam than Jews try to get converts to Judaism.

Notice the Muslim to Jew ratio worldwide. Not all of it comes from higher fertility rates or countries having Islam as the lone official religion. People do in fact convert to Islam.

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joeb January 10, 2013 at 13:06

Football player Chris Rainey arrested for trying to get his phone back . in a robbery .
The report states that witnesses told officers that Rainey and the victim got into an argument over Rainey’s cellphone. The female victim entered the vehicle of Rainey’s roommate, and Rainey confronted her on the passenger side of the vehicle, and began pulling her out of the vehicle.

Witnesses also told police that Rainey slapped the victim across the face with an open hand. Both Rainey and the female victim reportedly then fell to the ground. The victim was able to run away, but Rainey reportedly chased after her because his cellphone was in a bag the victim was carrying. Rainey grabbed the bag again, and they both fell to the ground again. Neither party suffered visible injuries from the encounter and multiple witnesses confirmed the incident.

Making sure Males cannot defend themselves is key to redistribution of wealth by theft . Most of us have been victims of this sort of thing . Strong-armed by Police rule and current laws .

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keyster January 10, 2013 at 14:13

Muslims do, in fact, allow non-Muslims to convert into their faith.
I can’t say the same thing about Jews.

It’s fairly easy to convert to Islam.
Converting to Judaism is much more involved, and even then they’ll never consider you a “real” Jew. Jewish blood (through matriarchal lineage) matters.

China has a one child policy. Israeli Jews need a six child policy. Their maybe one or two child and barren feminist policy is a zero sum game. Native and surrounding Muslims are very keen to this. While Israeli women folk are taking the bus into Tel Aviv to make money at their empowering careers, Muslim women are making babies.

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Crank January 10, 2013 at 14:43

@geographybeefinalisthimself

I think you missed my point/joke. They not only “welcome” converts, they have been known throughout history to coerce them under threat of death.

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geographybeefinalisthimself January 10, 2013 at 16:21

@ Crank

Fair enough regarding the coercive death threats throughout history if the non-Muslims in question were unwilling to convert.

Being raised in any faith or lack thereof, in childhood could also arguably be considered coercive.

I probably should have said that people do, in fact, voluntarily convert to Islam as well without their lives being threatened.

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Dw3 January 10, 2013 at 16:37

Lots of Jew hatred in this thread. Sad to see us divided like that. I don’t believe that it’s the Joos fault for feminism and abortions.

OT, I wonder if Singapore has the Michael Fay treatment for feminists there?

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geographybeefinalisthimself January 10, 2013 at 17:42

@ Dw3

I hope Singapore (and other places that use corporal punishment) does have that treatment for anyone who is a feminist, a mangina, or a white knight.

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The Observer January 10, 2013 at 18:32

@DW3

Reporting in from Singapore…unfortunately, no. The courts are full of white knights, men get thrown in jail for nonpayment of support like in the US, and the Women’s Charter is arguably the most misandric piece of tripe ever to hit the region.

Oh, and corporal punishment (caning) explicitly cannot be carried out against women; only men can be caned.

Since we are largely a one-party state and have been described as a benevolent dictatorship, the local feminists have ceased to be useful idiots and now the government only listens to them when their views happen to coincide with the party line. Otherwise, they’re effectively silenced, although allowed to exist as a useful tool. Misandric policies are still in place to control the population.

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geographybeefinalisthimself January 10, 2013 at 18:45

OT but in reference to Jew hate:

The world’s newest independent country, South Sudan, had worries that its proposed and current country code top level domain (ccTLD) of .ss would not be accepted because of Israeli worries that the ccTLD would be a vanity ccTLD for neo-Nazi sites, just as Tuvalu’s ccTLD of .tv is used for television and Djibouti’s ccTLD of .dj is used by deejays. Burundi does not allow its ccTLD of .bi to be farmed out to anything bisexuality related.

Anyhow, South Sudan is strapped for cash and would do itself a huge favor from an economic standpoint to demand money from Israel in exchange for not allowing its ccTLD to be used by neo-Nazi sites.

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greyghost January 11, 2013 at 02:08

When the Iraq war was on I used to check this page out quite a bit. I’ve made a few MRA type comments here. These guys are very PC lest they lose there contacts. https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmoral/20120515.aspx

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmoral/articles/20111116.aspx

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keyster January 11, 2013 at 11:26

Lots of Jew hatred in this thread. Sad to see us divided like that.

Lots of Muslim and Women and American hatred too.
It is sad.
This thread is way too tolerant of intolerance.

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geographybeefinalisthimself January 11, 2013 at 16:30

What is the difference between Jewish feminazis and Muslim feminazis?

You can use the word “both” to describe the entirety of Muslim feminazis.

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Auntie Pheminizm January 12, 2013 at 10:04

> “Lots of Jew hatred in this thread.”

Ah, the ever-familiar, increasingly-ineffective Israel hasbarist claim. Sorry, but that dog won’t hunt any more. It’s like saying critics of Nazism were anti-teutonic.

Antisemitism has been redefined to mean anything that questions Israel (like rape now means not buying women desserts). As a result, anti-semitism HAS spread…by “definition.” Soon people will wear tees with “Proud to be an antisemite!” on the front, “Antitsemitism=criticizing Israel” on the back.

In truth, the biggest spreader/enforcer of antisemitism today is Israel. And not just because it occupies and oppresses Arabs, the other Semites. It’s because it calls itself the Jewish state, one that EMBODIES Judaism, populated by people God chose above all others. That is, a”special” place. Yet when critiqued, it demands to be compared only to Third World hell-holes.

So predictable, worrying, and wearisome.

Israel claims to act on behalf of all Jews. It gets financial assistance from them and their groups (like the ADL and AIPAC). Plus millions of Jews world-wide act like Good German, doing nothing to stop travesties committed in their name. So naturally they get blamed. They let it happen.

Israeli leaders openly demonize Arabs. And Israeli citizens picnic on hills watching trapped Gazans get blown to shitereens. So it’s like 1930s Germany, only Bibi can’t enact his “final solution to the Arab problem.” The Internet and smartphones prevent that. So instead of showers with pesticide (Zyklon-B), Palestinians get slow-cooked over decades.

And no one is supposed to notice. We’re to ignore Ashkenazis emulating Nazis. And not see the bullied boy has grown into a bullying man. Or admit Israel had become a blight unto the nations.

I suspect in coming years Israel will “disappear” like the USSR did. It won’t be missed. Hispanic-Americans will divert the billions in aid to Puerto Rico. The free ride will end for the only dependent paranoid militaristic socialist colonial racist apartheid theocracy in the Mideast. Uncle Sucker will finally cut off the Mideast’s main troublemaker.

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Paul Murray January 22, 2013 at 18:22

The feminists are trying to shovel shit uphill if they want to be both feminist AND jewish. So are the right-to-lifers. Jehovah is not pro-life, and neither is he pro-choice. Both the feminists and the pro-lifers are wrong.

The old testament is bronze-age and utterly patriarchal: a man simply OWNS his wives, his children, his slaves and his livestock. End of debate. There is not a word in the OT against abortion or infanticide. A patriarch owns his children to the degree that he can legitimately offer them as a sacrifice to Jehovah (Abraham, Jepthatah, Samuel’s mom).

So if a patriarch decides to drown his girl-children in the well, it’s cool. It’s his decision. But definitely not hers.

Here’s question – why TF haven’t the israelis rebuilt the temple and re-instituted daily animal sacrifices? Because no-one actually believes that shit anymore. They least of all.

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