Feminists and other assorted leftists are really upset about VAWA not being reauthorized, but I get the sense that they don’t really understand what’s at issue. The new, more extensive VAWA passed by the senate includes some novel provisions, such as extending tribal jurisdiction to non-Indians in domestic cases (as opposed to state or federal as mandated by law), giving non-citizens access to government programs and benefits when they accuse men of DV, and extending DV protection to homosexuals. Naturally, where liberals and feminists are concerned, there can never, ever be anything wrong with such feel-good proposals.
I have little knowledge concerning federal law as it pertains to tribal jurisdiction, so I’ll leave that untouched here (those in the know feel free to fill me in). As for the homosexual “protections,” I’m astounded that gays would support such a thing, because precisely as many homosexuals who benefit from the bill will see their lives destroyed by it. When it comes to couples, VAWA is negative sum, because while it may marginally benefit some partners it tends to punish the other partner with a severity that outweighs the help extended to the one who made the complaint. Gays prosecuted under VAWA would be treated like straight, married men under the Senate bill. I seriously doubt they realize what they’d be getting into with that kind of legislation. In fact, gays should be thanking the House Republicans for holding it up.
What most rankled the Republicans, I suspect, were the provisions relating to immigrants — illegal ones in particular. The senate bill would have granted them visas, funding and a raft of goodies when they made DV accusations. This is what we call an “incentive to accuse.” VAWA already offers American women an incentive to accuse, and accusations have become so common that you’ll hear at least every other divorcing wife making them in family court. When I read a comment on Maddow’s blog from a prosecutor who said it was difficult to get women to accuse their husbands, I had to wonder what world he was living in. I think it might be the world where you get paid more for prosecuting more men, because that’s one of the biggest whoppers I’ve seen in a while.
So, if the senate version had passed, we would likely have seen a giant surge in accusations of DV made by illegal immigrant women, filling our courts (and jails) beyond capacity. Becoming an official “battered woman” would allow them to avail themselves of all sorts of federal benefits, such as TANF, SNAP, medicaid, social security and others that are typically extended only to permanent residents (i.e. citizens or green card holders). It may be true that most wouldn’t ultimately obtain that status (VAWA visa claims already have something like a 65% failure rate, which suggests that they are mainly fraudulent accusations), but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t try, and try a lot. Given how many illegal immigrant women we have in the country, this could be an enormous mess. It’s hard to believe the Senate is so stupid and short-sighted that they’d suggest such a program with so little debate. It’s also hard to believe that the feminists and liberals are so stupid that they are willing to blow what remains of VAWA’s credibility – and fiscal viability – by opening it up to a population of some 20 million who, given the incentives, would certainly use it at a much higher rate than the rest of us.
Sometimes I get a bit cynical, and think to myself “why not give them enough rope to hang themselves?” But then again I do still have some residual patriotism, and there’s nothing in it for me (unlike Mr. prosecutor, who rubs his hands in glee thinking about how this will guarantee his job security), so I ought to take a stand against it. However, the more I think about these issues, the less faith I have in the competence of our governing class, and the viability of the US as we know it. We have devolved into a howling mob that knows nothing more than political catchphrases, and hasn’t the foggiest idea about what the real-world implications of the policies they promote could be.
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Any advice for any of your readers whose senaturds are both Democrats and whose representatard is also a Democrat? I live in Paul Tonko’s (Democratic-controlled) district in upstate New York and both Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand are also Democrats.
Yeah, take as many govt. benefits as legally possible and raise hell for more for your demographic/special interest group. That’s the real Democrat game, and anyone can play it.
It’s hard to believe the Senate is so stupid and short-sighted that they’d suggest such a program with so little debate.
Why? Seriously, have you looked at the way the Senate has made law for the last 5 or more years? It’s like watching your alcoholic uncle street racing with drunks from the local bar, winner takes the car registration and loser pays the traffic tickets.
It’s also hard to believe that the feminists and liberals are so stupid that they are willing to blow what remains of VAWA’s credibility – and fiscal viability – by opening it up to a population of some 20 million who, given the incentives, would certainly use it at a much higher rate than the rest of us.
Why? They all know that The Rich have secret money trees, and all that needs to be done is shake the tree harder to fund anything anyone wants. Try telling any of those people that their fave program is funded by money borrowed from China and see what the reaction is – most likely, an expression of disbelief that looks something like a goldfish.
The feminists, the manginas, and all their hangers on in the divorce industry are totally uncoupled from reality. They have a golden goose, and are convinced that nothing can make it stop laying eggs.
Divorced dad who hasn’t seen his daughters in 5 years “goes his own way” as amateur war photographer in Syria, hoping that his kids get the life insurance. http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20130104a2.html
It is the case that the real reason I feel this VAWA was so heavily pushed but failed is because the far left in the Democratic party are trying real hard to extend the reach of the FED, and matching funds. I know math is not their strong point; yet, adding all those illegal aliens access to SNAP, TANF, and other Social Security act benefits would allow them to spend the tax increases already on the books. Thereby driving us faster over the cliff. Part of em wants the Democrats to have the whole house and senate; so when they fail, they can blame no one but themselves. I think the Republicans keeping the House was actually a big set back for the fathers rights movement. Now the D’s have a scapegoat like they have had since 2008.
If any of them tell you they are looking for cuts of any kind, they are lying; Republicans are only stopping this because they have to make a show of opposition on the topics their idiot peers on the extreme opposite side of the aisle failed to realize they could not openly support. Unless it is something more sinister, and our Democratic, and wayward brethren out of touch senaturds, are up to even less good than I thought they were.
Either way, we need to get this difficult economy started. As much as I hate it; it is a necessary occurrence to thin out the herd mentality; and hopefully, give the necessary “Act of God” push we need to end the Fed’s grip it has exorcized since 1913. I’m pretty sure it is directly responsible for the last Great Recession, and will be so again if we go into it.
We need to go Sovereign again. Only men with a sense of owenership will be willing to do that. I know I’m idealistic and it most likely won’t happen. Yet I can dream can’t I?
Geography,
I gave you my input to the question you directed to me in the last VAWA discussion.
I hope it’s of some help.
It was quite interesting, pathetic really, to read the shrieking shrews on HuffPo lamenting the failure to re-authorize this horrid piece of legislation. It is really worth perusing some of the comments to really get a feel for how wymenz think – though those here already know.
“Gays prosecuted under VAWA would be treated like straight, married men under the Senate bill. ” – Yeah, but which one’s the male that must be arrested? Just sayin . . .
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/
This should reveal the voting records of everyone’s congressperson as well as how often a Democratic congressperson sides with his or her party. Paul Tonko sides with fellow Democrats upwards of 95 percent of the time, so he clearly has a problem with the MRM.
Sorry dead link try
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/T000469
then just go to your congressperson
Mr Price
“However, the more I think about these issues, the less faith I have in the competence of our governing class, and the viability of the US as we know it. We have devolved into a howling mob that knows nothing more than political catchphrases, and hasn’t the foggiest idea about what the real-world implications of the policies they promote could be.” ( perhaps that’s because the politicians are mere puppets )
Each step you take down the proverbial rabbit hole a bite is taken from the red pill. As much as you may wish, you can’t unlearn what you find, its like trying to un ring a bell.
@W.F. Price
I think you’re underestimaing the savvy of our governing class by saying this…
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“However, the more I think about these issues, the less faith I have in the competence of our governing class, and the viability of the US as we know it.”
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If a law like VAWA is introduced and it causes lot’s of social and economic problems. Is misused in every possible way. How is that a failure?
I don’t know off hand the insane billions a year VAWA itself costs, but the agency of VAWA is created. Many lawyers and courts will be needed look into the cases and to sift though the countless false charges and schemes to work the system will be needed.
An agency will be needed for posters and government studies will needed to be written to inform us of the efficiency of VAWA to explain to us why we need it. More police forces will be needed to enforce these new policies, more immigration officers. Possibly an agency to oversee these agencies so that they remain on the up and up. An accounting agency.
Offices, cars, desks, computers, printers, secretaries, accountants and so on and so forth. Eventually more laws to cover the loopholes and the process starts all over again. If say for instance the initial VAWA bill costs a billion dollars a year, the extra costs to support enforcing the bill might run another 50 billion dollars.
Where you see incompetance, I see a genius, money and power.
OT news: “Nova Scotia man who poked holes in condoms in attempt to get girlfriend pregnant loses sexual assault appeal”
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/03/nova-scotia-man-who-poked-holes-in-condoms-in-attempt-to-get-girlfriend-pregnant-loses-sexual-assault-appeal/
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/03/craig-jaret-hutchinson-loses-sexual-assault-appeal/
Lot of activity in the comments about whether it’s a crime when the girlfriend uses dirty tricks to get knocked up. The thought crossed the judges’ minds, too:
“A lone dissenting opinion by another judge, however, warned of a potential slippery slope where women who surreptitiously stop taking the pill to get pregnant could themselves face a sexual-assault charge.”
NWOslave
“Where you see incompetance, I see a genius, money and power.”
Correct. Many still can’t see these things for what they truely are. The great angryharry has a superb piece on the same set up in the abuse industry. Just think how many people are employed by it ? Its a huge business.
VAWA and all the pantomime before and after is simply entertainment for the sheeple. Many just can’t see the wood for the trees. E.g, lets say VAWA was scrubbed tomorrow, finished wiped out. The knock on effect of job loss money power and lost taxes would probably cause a major financial crisis.
Looks to me like the the current market of the average American Joe is just about drained, little money left, guys have lost jobs and reduced income for years plus fewer and fewer average Joes are putting themselves in the line of fire. This cash cow is fecked. Time to open up a new market, not as rewarding as the first cash cow, but still, plenty of money and job creation by targetting the immigrants illegal or otherwise. The proposed enhanced VAWA is the fracking of the oil fields to squeeze out the last dregs.
And yet most Americans cannot see what is happening right slap bang in their face.
You see Mickey T Keyster it is all about money and power not feckin cultural marxism and although I am confident you both mean well with your attempts to get some of your misandric laws changed, I strongly suspect you will have a very limited success. Its just bad business see,
which is a little odd seeing as you are both strong supporters of right wing capitalism and a free market economy. Trying to change all of this is doing no more than keeping it alive and feeding on male misery, keeping the business ticking over until they can find a new well to drill.
Meanwhile
Alan Watts , the way of waking up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7blUYJm6i-c
VAWA is the feminist version of the Jim Crow laws; special laws for a special class (whites/women) and unfair treatment of a class not liked (people of color/men).
And of course, no one says how any of this pork/special interest laws are going to be paid for because it can’t be from taxes, there isn’t enough.
V10
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/03/nova-scotia-man-who-poked-holes-in-condoms-in-attempt-to-get-girlfriend-pregnant-loses-sexual-assault-appeal/
If that is sexual assult then the prisons would be packed with women.
Just as black people aren’t going any where women aren’t either. They are bought and paid for. Also some body might be at the ready with a supreme court case for equal protection under the law that will bring the whole feminist house down at every level. ERA without the pussy priviledge amendment.
Leftists understand VAWA. Their objective is to destroy society and they are not simply overdoing it in their zeal to “protect” anyone. They don’t care about protecting anyone.
I think VAWA is on its way out,we have generation of men & even women who are fed up with feminism to the point the very word is unpopular. Thus with the rise of the antifeminist generation,the repeal of VAWA was made possible because of this but don’t get me wrong there will attempts at resururection. But the public support for laws like VAWA is waining!
This didn’t have to be debated in the Senate as it was voted on mostly across party lines and Democrats are the majority. Remember this happened back in April of last year, so it’s been stagnating in the House ever since. If you’re a Republican and you’re going to lose anyway you might as well vote as being “against violence for women”.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00087
The Senate can pass all the bills it wants but the House controls spending. THAT is the issue House Republicans have. To question the amendments to the original bill is political posturing, so it never passes. Remember this is $500,000,000 more down a sink hole that we’ve already dumped a couple of Billion down since 1994. That’s 10% of what we spend on our entire Military Industrial Complex in a year.
So House Republicans can question whether funding LBGTQ violence is relevant (calling them “Homosexual” is like calling blacks Negroes BTW), but the REAL issue is we’d be borrowing yet millions more dollars just to keep women safe from men hitting them, or offending them. Whereas it’s ulimately Feminist Pork that keeps thousands of Wymyn’s Studies majors in 501 c3′s employed…not to mention corporate and local business donations for “positive vibrations” PR cred.
VAWA IS de facto government funded Feminist Pork, as much as Planned Parenthood is – which is another $500,000,000 a year we borrow to “spread around”.
Our entire Congress (House and Senate) is now 40% Female for the first time in history. If you think this is gonna get any better yer dreamin’. Just wait until “Paycheck Fairness” comes back from the dead. It will be so much bureaucratic government intrusion on business, it’ll make yer head spin. Elizabeth Warren beating Scott Brown in MA was a tipping point in Feminist legislative balance. She will be VERY active – – along with the other sisters, Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, Gillibrand, Murray, et al…They’re out for (social justice) blood…deficits and debt be damned.
Oh and happy Cervical Cancer Awareness Month everybody!
VAWA was not repealed – it was simply not renewed. There is a significant difference.
Expect it to come back as part of an onslaught of bills attempting to keep the fiscal conservatives pinned down fighting new spending on many fronts. It will probably get passed as part of a bargain of the progressives dropping a push for an even more onerous set of new spending.
The progressives do not make any distinctions between women and LGBT, but I think the conservatives will not willingly let the queers gain ground on both marriage and expanded government services to the LGBT protected class.
The progressives do not make any distinctions between women and LGBT,…
To the extent the Feminist Lobby is made up of a majority of lesbian lawyers, that’s true. The Feminist Agenda (continued reproductive rights, free health care and equal pay), benefits black women, hispanic women, asian women, senior women, single women and lesbian women. So a minority female lesbian is the trifecta of support from within the “base”.
What really holds up VAWA support is simply allocation of time and attention because our politicians are too busy with the last election cycle, the Fiscal Cliff, Sandy funding and now the Debt Ceiling.
Our media is also not covering it – – you know in the form of some anecdotal story about a “battered women’s shelter” closing because of funding; (que interview with a “battered woman” who’s “afraid and has no where to go for protection”…through a translator of course). It might help bring attention to their cause if maybe N.O.W. marched on the Capital dressed as Slutz while lighting tampons on fire, but I don’t want to give them ideas.
Obama’s priority (believe it or not) is Immigration Reform, because he knows Republicans have to support it and it set’s him up for further wins. At least half of all hispanics are women (some are even lesbians), and job #1 will be taking back the House in 2014.
“Gays prosecuted under VAWA would be treated like straight, married men under the Senate bill. ” – Yeah, but which one’s the male that must be arrested? Just sayin . . .
The butch goes to jail, the femme becomes the professional victim, obviously. It would be ironic if VAWA was actually rolled back, not just temporarily defunded, because the LGBTCQMOUSE came to dislike it.
VAWA
…we’ve already dumped a couple of Billion down since 1994. ”
Try about EIGHTEEN BILLION at about one billion per year from the Fed gov’t.
Not that it matters much, but add another $3 billion a year from the states, local gov’t and private donations, and we have over $70 BILLION spent since 1994 just to keep the innocent dearies safe from us brutes.
It’s an all time record for the number of females in both Houses, but:
2012:House-76 women, 359 men-Senate-17 women, 83 men
2013: ” 80 ” 355 ” ” 20 ” 80 ”
oddsock,
A good rule of thumb is, don’t believe anything a Democrat says, and don’t believe everything a Republican says.
Also I’ve spoken to Angry, and he is no authority on American politics.
This is great , I can get a friend now accuse him of DV then run him throw the slavery dept. Holly smokes , If I play my cards right I can obtain Three maybe fore slaves in a Lifetime .
Goth darn it there’s nothing better in life then having a slave . This tells all the nobility friends that you have arrived .
Now how are they going to bring back that 1853 slave recovery act . OH Oh we already have it Its just a Monopoly on the workplace .
I do mean OH for Ohio . John Kasick Is getting all the money from alcohol sales and running the Ohio works program as a Non profit that he owns .
Hmmm I wonder if those mean MRM guys think its time to fight , Hope not .
Welmer’s grrl Friday from the Evergreen State strikes again:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/04/opinion/murray-violence-against-women-act/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
And here I thought teh wymyns in D.C. might consider we have an itsy-bitsy spending problem and can’t afford to blow another $500,000,000 on “protecting our women” (from men).
Never underestimate the Tax and Spend Socialist philosophy of the Democratic Party, especially after their president gets elected again.
“…..job #1 will be taking back the House in 2014.”
But we’re not going to let them, are we??
We might even take The Senate as well. He’ll be like a fish out of water.
You never know.
What do you expect to be the wedge issue?
What do you expect to be the wedge issue?
The national implementation of ObamaCare.
The chaos, chicanery and frustration will be staggering.
We’ve read the bill, so now we know what’s in it.
States have to have exchanges set up on 1/1/14, and those states that refuse to set up exchanges will need the HHS to set them up for them. This means setting up infrustructre and systems and databases – and that’s the easy part…by the end of this year! And there are no states that have money just laying around to kick any of this off.
11:22 post should read:
2013-Senate:80 men, 20, women
House: 355 men, 80 women
Indeed an all time record.
Keyster,
Do you have any numbers on how much of the public actually wanted Obamacare vs who didn’t? I saw someone quote today that 70% of the public actually opposed it, but congress rammed it down people’s throats.
The dems have a lot on their agenda which is not very popular with the public. They don’t have enough political capital after the last election to ram all of it through, and they are throwing a bunch of it away trying to ban most firearms.
I think it will be difficult enough for them to hold on to the senate, much less wrest control of the house away from the republicans.
Medicare will be an enormous issue in 2014. Wait til the 40 million seniors in this country see their benefits and quality of care decline. I’m already feeling the effects of it. Some ins cos (Medicare Advantage in my case) will not cover in some areas for several reasons, one being they are uncertain of hows and ifs of the coverage they have to provide. Some people will have less choice of what doctors and hospitals they can use because obamacare is reducing the amount of money provided to these health care givers and some cannot survive with what the gov’t allows under Medicare.
@welmer
Good idea about taking as many govt benefits as possible, but don’t the diversity police consider asians and indians to be white (and therefore inelegible for government benefits) now?
Also, is it me or are the recent articles here more infuriating than usual? It’s like AVFM is covering a completely different planet than the rest of the manosphere.
White people are as eligible as anyone else for benefits — so are Asians. The only truly special benefits go to American Indians (due to treaties) and some refugees with special status, like the Hmong (they fought on our side in Vietnam, and were subsequently ethnically cleansed). Actually, white folks take advantage of government money all the time. White men probably take home most of the contracting money even today (which is fine if they do the best job for the money, IMO), and retired white people get all sorts of freebies. Discriminating on the basis of race is illegal where these things are concerned.
As for AVFM covering different stuff, there’s a lot out there to cover. I certainly can’t do it all alone. More depth is better for us.
Do you have any numbers on how much of the public actually wanted Obamacare vs who didn’t? I saw someone quote today that 70% of the public actually opposed it, but congress rammed it down people’s throats.
It depends. The 26 or younger “children” of parents coverage, which went into effect in 2011 is popular. The “can’t deny coverage for pre-existing conditions” is popular…but everything (that hasn’t gone into effect yet) usually trends in the 60-70 percentile range on disapproval. As Romney was forced to say, “I’ll keep the portions of ObamaCare people like.” – – like a lot of good that did him. And don’t even get me started on Chief Justice John “It doesn’t violate the commerce clause if it’s a tax, so it must be a tax even though nobody says it is but me” Roberts.
The dems have a lot on their agenda which is not very popular with the public. They don’t have enough political capital after the last election to ram all of it through, and they are throwing a bunch of it away trying to ban most firearms.
The unwashed masses will soon discover the hubris of the REAL Obama. First two years was ObamaCare, second two years was campaigning for his second term. Now it’s all about burnishing his “legacy”. Out of about 130 million votes he won by 3 million, hardly a mandate to institute European Socialism, but that’s the master plan. His environmental and financial regulations, that no one hears about, haven’t even been implemented yet they’re so massive and broad in scope. And wait until the Executive Decrees start coming.
Unfortunately We the People can’t see what we don’t have, like debt and interest payments and stifling regulations. But we can see extended unemployment benefits, food stamps, free healthcare and ObamaPhones. So the manufacturered crisis of today is nothing more than a preamble for the REAL crisis to come. I target 2025, but it might be sooner or later than that.
It’s too late for Republicans to do anything but agitate and infuriate Democrats. Romney was our last shot, and even he was 3rd down with goal to go on the 28 and 15 seconds left on the clock. The country we knew is gone forever. Like I said, we’re feckin’ fecked. It was a good run the last 50 or 60 years.
Geography,
It’s good to see some interest in actually taking some action against this abomination.
I’d like to throw out an example of “what a man can do”. What I, and that’s me, did back in the 90s was take a hot button issue and give people more information about it than the FDLL (fem/dem/lib/left) would allow to be published. It’s abortion and partial birth abortion. I zeroed in on who knew were “Christians”, who though that they were conforming to the Christian philosophies etc, but the truth about much of abortion it was not being readily publicized. Also, the Democratic Party basically hid the fact that they were responsible for making and keeping it legal.
I explained to these people that legally, under Roe v Wade, abortion has no limits as to the time during the pregnancy that it may be performed. Although the FDLL has the public believe that the law allows for abortion within the first approx 26 weeks, it actually, from cryptic wording, allowed it ANY time during the pregnancy for ANY or NO reason. I also described the procedure known as “partial birth abortion”. All were in disbelief or in shock when they heard it, but it meant enough to them to verify it. I got several voters away from the FDLL party. using that.
At first it was surprising to me, hwo many people are suppoting what they deeply and morally opposed to. The FDLL does the their job well by deceivng the people in order to further their agenda. This may be helpful for anyone to know, especially those who want to take support away from the Democratic Party.
I did a little math as I was thinking about this whole thing:
No brag, it has occurred to me, that if one person did what I described above in every county in the nation, it would be enough for 3/4 of the votes to win Mitt Romney the presidency. (smile)
I apologize for mentioning the above ad nauseum, but it was a good oportunity.
Ha zed . I would say the first party to embrace mens issues would be a wedge issue .
MRA issue’s are the first Time I have seen White men and Black men on the same page . It unifies us .
That would be a powerful party .
Off topic-
A news item yesterday reported that, somewhere in the US, a Gentleman’s Club” (strip joint) was having the girls do a little extra (showing a little more etc) for an additional fee which will go to rape crisis center.
Iv been curiously watching Girlwriteswhat On you tube . Don’t know what to think about the popularity she has generated . Although she is pretty much on the money , There is something a little fishy about her story . I guess im Just waiting for the tone to change into a feminist troll .
Witch would be the best troll ever .
I have noticed More women and that gay guy with the beard around . This concerns me Is it inter specific human mimicry or are these people really on board . You know like that little wasp that lays her eggs in the bee hive so her offspring have something to eat when they are born .
Snake eggs always concern me . Anybody have some thoughts about it .
Liberalism & feminism the new forms of slavery
This is the kind of ludicrous stupid, vawa funds …
“Among the details: the child’s young, unwed mother chooses two lesbians to adopt her child because she wants to help homosexuals overcome exclusion …
So an adoption agency, a hospital, employers and grandparents all take part in the shocking pretense of lesbian “motherhood.”
This is what happens when there is no Patriarchy to defend a child being sold to lesbians …
I trust girlwriteswhat and friends about as far as I throw them but I don’t think she’s really in a position to do much damage. It didn’t take long for the manosphere to identify Susan venker and the thinking housewife as phonies so I don’t see the harm in quietly waiting for the mask to slip.
I’m more worried about homosexual (and usually feminized) men coopting major sites, making criticism (and there’s a lot of legitimate criticism) of homosexuality verboten there, and steering the manosphere to the left (and back toward the Party of Women and Welfare.) Remember what happened to the Episcopaliens? They went from “The Republican party at prayer” to “Why does this confessional have a hole in the wall?” I wouldn’t underestimate and group that could make a Christian institution go soft. But fortunately, it seems like a lot of normal people are still repulsed by homosexuality, even if they don’t know about the CDC’s findings or can’t articulate a reason beyone sodomy being disgusting (it is).
I don’t see how calling out extremely active MRAs such as GWW for somehow being “fishy” helps this movement at all.
Still, it’s your opinion. That crew just does so much for the movement- so much actual activism- that it just seems out of place.
Joeb Gilgamesh
Could not agree more. I trust my instincts. GWW has so far made some excellent Youtube vids and although I try to give her the benefit of doubt, I still say something is not quite right. I note she has over 6000 subscribers and certainly making good money via donations. Lately the one called the wooly bumble bee is trying to get in on the action and attempting to set up some web site or something up for boys. All looks good, on the surface, but like I said, I trust my instincts and my alarm bells have been ringing for a while. I have said almost from the start that AVfM is not what it appears to be or perhaps been compromised? I listened to one of their radio shows, you had a bi sexual MRA woman an angry single parent MRA woman and the gay bearded MRA guy running the show.
The gay bearded guy, if its the same one that pretends to help men in violent relationships ? The same gay bearded guy that is the Editor for AVfM ? Yes, quite the white knight. He had a major tizzy fit over on his own youtube channel when a couple of guys took him to task about him attacking a man that dared to “question” a response by the angry MRA woman using shaming language on a guy that was in a violent relationship. He rally spat his dummy out, big time. Myself and a couple of others pointed out his white knight behaviour. His response was to attack everyone that raised the point and even leave a nasty personal message on my youtube channel. I was so hurt by his comments, I very nearly passed my tobacco pouch around.
Just look at the comment left by Anonxcf ! Women and gay boys know best eh ! What ? Stood by for the last 40 years said nothing done nothing and taken every advantage until there is a slight chance men are starting to rebel and leave the building. Now they want to come on male friendly sites and tell the men we have been doing it all wrong and only they know how straight men feel and what we should do or should have done. Good feckin grief !
Something just does not ring true.
I doesn’t. In fact, that sort of nonsense is the biggest reason that there is no real MRM.
If you put a crab in a bucket and want to keep it there, all you have to do is put two crabs in the bucket. Any time either of them try to climb out, the other will grab it and drag it back down. That is the story of the MRM. Any time someone gets a foothold in pushing back against feminism, suddenly hundreds of “men” show up to knife them in the back. If most “men” would spend even 10% of the time and energy they spend finding fault with what others are trying to accomplish, in actually doing something for the cause, we would be in much better shape than we are.
Then only people who have accomplished anything for men’s rights are the ones who have gotten so fed up with listening to men bloviate that they simply have stopped listening to the criticism coming from men who have never accomplished anything and never will accomplish anything – except contributing to global warming with all the hot air they put out.
I doesn’t. In fact, that sort of nonsense is the biggest reason that there is no real MRM.
Bingo…and those evil SoCon women like Suzanne Venker want to enslave men as providers and make us die in wars, while GirlWritesWhat…well who knows what she really wants, but it’s probably bad for men. And gays are bad too ’cause afterall they’re not really men or something.
There’s no stronger, more powerful and vocal group than the MRA’s who seem to find something wrong in ANYTHING anyone does or ANY progress that’s ever made. The MRA bucket is wet and safe, so lets all stay in it and perpetually commiserate, while we undermine anyone’s attempts at actual “movement”…from putting up stickers in public places to some Canadian chick that has a million combined views on some YouTube videos.
Maybe it’s just that MRA’s are so used to failing, they fear success of any kind. Or it could be that criticism from within takes so little effort, while it feels like progress to the critic.
That party has existed since the early 1970′s. Although not a specifically MRA party, the Libertarian Party has always stood against things like VAWA, Title IX, any sex-specific “safe places” that are paid for with public funds (which almost always benefits women at men’s expense), ALL double standards in the publicly-funded sphere, and draft registration – while being for the right to create sex-specific places that are paid for by private funds, equality before the law for everyone regardless of circumstances or genitalia, the right to hire and fire whomever you want based on your own criteria, limiting the authority of the police, treating marriage as a private two-way contract, and the decriminalization of “victimless crimes” such as porn and prostitution.
If the government would just take its thumb off the scales the MRM could fold up the tents and call it a day tomorrow. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are willing to do that. The Libertarians have been trying to do that for more than four decades.
To what avail? It is still not “a powerful party.” Although it is the third largest political party in the United Stats, men are not flocking to the party that wants to stop the encroachments of the state which, at present, constitute the entirety of the legal aspect of the war on men.
I’ve been beating that drum for a couple of decades. I can count the number of people I’ve gotten to support the Libertarian Party on the fingers of one hand. In fact, the only person I know I’ve gotten to consistently vote Libertarian is a woman – my wife.
Either this mess will be settled amicably or it won’t – but it will be settled one way or the other. The mechanism to address it politically already exists in the form of the Libertarian Party: it is a national organization that – while not being specifically an MRA party – is in synch with 99% of what MRAs want, which is simply for the law to keep its thumb off the scale. Yet men stay away from the Libertarian Party in droves, mainly crawling under the Republican’s table hoping for some crumbs to fall – because MRAs are certainly not being invited to sit at the Republican’s table.
Its those damned cultural marxists again. Just vote Republican. LMFAO.
I don’t think im calling her(gww) out , I just have been around a long time . Iv seen every sort of attack there is . God knows Cyber attacks on my personal computer Happen monthly .
Her dialog is a little to perfect . Im not concerned with how she looks . Or even her as a friend( I don’t think the stripper likes Me) .Im not a fool . But I am worried who the author is and what is the end game .
A simple investigation before I or we invest is prudent . And I do think we are a brotherhood . As far as People I trust in my life MRAs are about It .
Honor Is the first quality of This brotherhood . Now the feminist have No honor . The people that would enslave my children have no honor .
So the question of who I trust and Mark down In my little black book as a friend Is impotent .
So I think she’s a mild curiosity . I just don’t know why she dose what she dose it seems to be against her best interests .
When I gave up on the MRM – about 10 years ago, after 30 years of gradually escalating involvement and passion (including the last 6 years of it when I lived off the stock market and threw away more than a quarter mil $ trying to get men out of their wet & safe doldrums) – I made it a bit of a hobby to study the reasons why it always failed to take off. My own MRA ideology blinded me to coming up with a workable theory despite thousands of observations.
A feminist back in the 90s actually nailed it – the MRM would never amount to anything because men would be so consumed competing with and one-upping each other, thumping their chests, and arguing over who was smarter and who had the bigger dick, to ever accomplish anything.
I wanted to prove her wrong – that men were smarter and better than that. Years of observation have proven me wrong.
It took Roissy to put things in terms that made sense – particularly after David Buss began exploring Evolutionary Psychology back in the 1990s. Men are going to AMOG (compete to be the Alpha Male of the Group) no matter what anyone does. It’s how men get mating opportunities – and in the grand scheme of things nothing else matters.
At the top level of the political power pyramid, laws like VAWA are just the political Alphas’ means of crippling other men in the mating market. A man pauperized by child support and/or alimony (chilimony) is hobbled in the Sexual Market Place. A man under the jurisdiction of the Bradley Amendment, is in a permanent state of peonage to the State.
At the lower levels of the power pyramid, the easiest way to establish relative status is to tear someone else down for what they did. In this manner, guys who have never done anything and never will do anything can feel superior to people who have done something, by applying “critical theory” and showing how feckin’ smart they are by pointing out everything they see wrong with what someone else did.
This only works until the doers get sick to death of listening to complaints that the free beer isn’t cold enough, and decide to leave the leaches stuck in the mud and stop trying to pull them out of it – while the leaches do their best to pull the doers back into the mud – and Go Their Own Way.
There are two massive Men’s Movements going on right now – among those men who have decided to take responsibility for their own lives and not continue to sit around passively trying to complain someone else into making their lives better (as women do) and to not waste any more time with those men who do nothing else – MGTOW and Game.
Both of these are extremely threatening to the social order because the first step to both of them is rejecting the legitimacy of the claims that the existing social order places on men. Joe Zamboni’s recent post on the many duties of men, compared to absolutely none for women, enforced by the social order was about this exact phenomenon.
What we have today is analogous to a factory owner whose business is in a jurisdiction which has passed laws against men showing up for work. When men do show up for work, the police are there to arrest them, cart them off to jail, and apply the squeeze for the entire court system – judges, layers, clerks, social workers, etc. When men started not showing up for work – because they didn’t want to get arrested and because they could no longer afford to pay the squeeze – the business owner simply ignored the laws and believed that he could harass and insult the men into continuing to show up for work, and continue to pay the penalties for it.
It isn’t working.
Matt Forney just did a video called “Divorced Men, You Had it Coming”. http://mattforney.com/2013/01/04/divorced-men-you-had-it-coming/
Matt is among the new crop of bloggers who are intensely critical of the efforts of sites like AVfM.
I agree with Matt on the issue of divorced men. Any man who remains unaware of the issues with marriage in this day and age, has his head so far up his ass than he can probably nibble on the backs of his own tonsils.
Fighting for the rights of men like them is really not the responsibility of MRAs – it really belongs on the backs of those who wish to conserve what is left of the old social order. If the business owner wants his employees to keep showing up for work – he must be the one who fights to have it legalized again.
Roosh called most manosphere sites “pamphleteers.” The best ones are just that, but many of the rest have devolved into gossipy little cliques where people get together and thrash over what someone else said about them.
As Ken Kesey with the Merry Pranksters said – “You are either on the bus, or you are not on the bus.” If someone doesn’t want to get on the bus because he thinks that is smells “fishy” and wants to wait for the next one in case it smells better – well, about all that can be said is “C’ya. Bye.”
Then, when they are still standing there, stuck in the mud, and finally figure out that there aren’t any more buses – oh well.
“Do the Camptown buses run all night?
Doo dah!!!”
Zed
There are many ways in which to skin a cat, are you overlooking MGTOW or do they also come under the banner of “pamphleteers.”
“Wherever a man goes, men will pursue him and paw him with their dirty institutions, and, if they can, constrain him to belong to their desperate oddfellow society.”
Thoreau
Perhaps your reading skills need a bit of work, oddsock.
Sorry Zed, my apologies. I do tend to switch off when I start reading men attacking other men, especially when there are females involved.
Just like to add. Men are often far more critical and unforgiving in almost all areas of life. We also often forget that we are all recovering manginas, its like a conveyor belt of endless blue pill newbies coming in one end full of fire and brimstone complaining and attacking everything and purple/red pill guys coming out the other.
This is a process we are going to see for many many years and I also suggest that it is not an MRA movement that is needed or infact will ever be acomplished. But we ARE creating a masculine Meme, a long process but quite clearly in the making, e.g MGTOW Happy Bachelors Happier Abroad PUA et al.
I find with any Group , Group dynamics will dictate hierarchy . It most cases with failing group a dominate figure or nobility will run rough shot over the Baby Believer or a perception of threat to there nobility will invoke a banishment or a show of subservience was needed for forgiveness .
In journalism , The most popular authors will invite Baby believer to Comment . Growth through mental observation and correction is paramount for Growth along with a feeling of belonging .
I did a study on AA groups . The failed groups always had one thing in common Nobility . The surprise was the same thing often maintained longevity in the group as well as destroyed Membership .
Keeping the group small enough to control . This was the Mental task egocentric overlords inability to control a large group .
The largest groups often had several levels of hierarchy witch could be obtained by hard work and a method of rewarding believer with levels of Metaphysical badges of honor . Achievements goals provided by the group in forms of praise or diploma .
Infighting and self destruction would not be tolerated .
Here is a helping hand , I extend . Remember hurt people hurt people . If we were not hurt we would not be here .
With GWW maybe I just don’t trust any women . But this is my fault . I drank the Koolaid . Said The Johns-town Ghost .
The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry.
I get satisfaction of three kinds. One is creating something, one is being paid for it and one is the feeling that I haven’t just been sitting on my ass all afternoon.
William F Buckley Jr
New York Conservative Party
Yeah Zed I hear you.
I’m particularily uncomfortable with this effort by some strident and well-meaning MRA’s to try and squeeze Men into the already overcrowded exhalted pantheon of special-identifiable victim groups. They try and promulgate the extremist notion that “men’s rights are human rights”, as if that lends it some credibility. I like it because it bares the hypocrisy of the “privilaged white male” hating Left. But it’s also quiet a monolithic force to overcome in today’s culture. Hey but they’re trying something.
After all how can the multi-billion dollar victim grievance industry continue to exist without the victimizers? (the mythological angry, racist, sexist, powerful and rich privilaged white male) And the victimizer want’s acceptance and “rights”?! Like the Nazi guards were so oppressed and aggrieved by having to slaughter all those Jews. PuhLeeze!
I tend to be more of the Bernard Chapin variety of MRA; Libertarian, freedom from tyranny and all that. Not one that wants to form yet another offended grievance group – – because it’s obvious to me “the feminist industrial complex” and other men will NEVER allow it.
Meanwhile we’ll always have the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance.
http://www.naafaonline.com/dev2/
Yes, another victim grievance group.
Even fat people can organize, but men can’t.
@keyster that’s pretty much my concern with AVFM. They’re currently doing a lot of good stuff that no other site is doing (register her, ongoing coverage of court cases, naming and shaming fembloggers, etc), but their “victim grievance” rhetoric probably isn’t going to speak to as many people as “individual rights” (which would allow many men’s issues to solve themselves). My recommendation is to start offering parallel services to the manosphere (i.e. a second feminist “offender’s” wiki, your own spin on divorce coverage, etc). That way if AVFM does go under there’s another entity ready ready to become the new public face of the manosphere.
Its perplexing why . Men can’t organize . Maybe are history of over organizing ? But we are on are own when funding is concerned . In the last year or so , I watched a feminist group steal the funding from a 50 year Men’s shelter .
The Shelter was under the heading of Rehabilitation . The feminist put out a press release that the shelter had housed pedophiles . The community response was horrible .
The female in question re wrote the grant and walked with five million dollars .
This was done from the inside . Beds for 60 men was lost . A fine office complex in the city was purchased with the funds and paper services are all that’s given now .
Pushing paper , Can you imagine 60 beds are gone .
Mickey T
“The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry.”
Here you go mate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZD4ezDbbu4
Ok guys time for me to move on I believe my mate Rebel is no longer with us.
Mr Price thanks, still the best site. I think Angry Harry has fired his site up again though : )
Zed Mickey T Keyster. Thanks. Very interesting and informative, I learned many things from you and others.
Rebel wherever you are, Om shanti shanti shanti. Namaste
It looks that way, sadly. I recently got a comment from Randall Shake’s daughter thanking us for his little obit here last year. It was very touching. If my kids feel the same about me when I’m gone then it was a perfectly good life.
If we can get any confirmation about Rebel and his IRL identity I’d be happy to post something for him here. We should at least have names in death. Well, that’s how I see it, anyway.
Whatever you choose, oddsock, you’re always welcome here.
Mr Price
Can I ask a small favour ? If you get any further info about Rebel can you forward it to me via my email ?
Many years away, I am sure you and your site will be remembered by many and not just your kids.
Thanks again
Namaste
@oddsock
I’ll find him. I think I have his name already — I just need to confirm a few things and maybe make a few calls before proceeding.
Some men can’t, but a lot of other men can.
I’m with you on the issue of not wanting men to get down in the mud with the pigs and try to elbow their way to feast at the victim trough. It just seems very unmanly given the way I was raised.
I see the problem more as being that men don’t agree on what to organize to accomplish. Feminism worked for women because women naturally default to playing for Team Woman. Most women realize that what is good for any woman might turn out to be good for them, too. They also tend not to think things through and consider that it might also turn out to be bad for them. That doesn’t matter to women because they know that they can always blame men, and there will always be plenty of White Knights and maginae around to save women from their self-created mess.
What I see a lot of coming from men are sentiments in the form of – “Men can’t organize to fight my battles, the way I want them fought.” That’s the sort of attitude I really object to. It is a very perverse twisting of the entitlement attitude which has destroyed western women. It demonstrates that some men have already internalized the helpless victim mind frame and are going to sit around passively trying to bitch other men into making their world OK for them.
The Damned Olde Man has just made a post about the way that the distortions of VAWA ended up with a violent woman given custody of her 6 month old son, whom she killed 2 weeks after she was arrested for aggravated domestic battery, http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/04/justice/florida-baby-killed/index.html
http://thedamnedoldeman.com/?p=7685
It is this kind of battle I choose to fight – with or without the help of other men. I don’t have enough time and energy to do that and waste my time and energy criticizing someone else who isn’t doing anything harmful to men or children, but just isn’t going about things in exactly the way I would prefer.
Careful, Mickey T, the FBI might just consider you a threat.
This is from Reuters, not the Onion.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/07/us-usa-fbi-extremists-idUSTRE81600V20120207
@Bill,
I think I have Rebel’s real name from his email address. You probably have it too, but if not, let me know, I will send it to your email.
@zed
I think I do, but I need to confirm it. Maybe get a bit more info if possible to avoid big mistakes (like jumping the gun on an obit).
@oddsock, Joeb, Gilgamesh
GirlWritesWhat’s videos are very watchable, very convincing, and she has a large audience.
If she is some sort of undercover agent, some sort of conspirator, then she’s not doing the conspiracy any favors.
Its perplexing why . Men can’t organize . Maybe are history of over organizing ? But we are on are own when funding is concerned .
It’s because in the purview of mass opinion you’re ostensibly organizing a counter social movement AGAINST women. This is something never before done in the history of civilization, (as far as I know). And who would dare have their name associated with funding such a venture – – which is REALLY at the root of the organizing problem.
I guaran-fecking-tee ya, if a Million dollars or more presented itself from some benefactor (like Feminists have gotten from sundry endowments for 90 years), I’d be the first one opening an office in Washington DC and bringing on board a select group of lawyers and media/publicity experts with “connections” (ie lobbyists). It would be the American Council on Men and Boys or some such title – but I fantasize.
Like I’ve said before Feminist Inc. is a $2 Billion a year grievance industry just for women’s rights, equality and advancement vis a vis men and boys. Between a few men’s activist groups and blogs around the world the MRM might pull in $50K. This is why New Media, the broad and cheap reach of the internet has them on the defensive – – with such sites as TGMP; the alternative for the questioning “male feminist”, funded by the same feminists that keep Ms. Magazine on life support .
They’re protecting the New Media flank the MRM is using from gaining any ground in the discourse…and they’re starting to lose a little at a time…mostly because they keep being so publicly outraged by online MRM efforts and thus promoting our narrative more…which is the idea behind AVfM, this site and so many others.
P.S. – Rebel was a good guy. Something on him would be a nice touch.
Neighborhood by neighborhood. Not from Washington outwards. That is all
Keyster wrote: if a Million dollars or more presented itself from some benefactor (like Feminists have gotten from sundry endowments for 90 years), I’d be the first one opening an office in Washington DC and bringing on board a select group of lawyers and media/publicity experts with “connections” (ie lobbyists).
Mike Milken is into mens’ issues, at least mens’ health and its comparative underfunding. He would be a good starting point for seeking out a benefactor.
I wonder if its presumed ,Not proved that funding could not be obtained .
All that would be necessary if a mailing of probably 200 requests for start up funds .
The response would give an idea of the climate . And may provide Some well needed Ideological stop gaps to deal with .
A denial would come with a response , The response is like Gold being a talking Point .
That’s the gold . At least we would have a starting point . After that its Just words .
Ha Zed When we see a story Like Mom in Florida , Is there a Group of MRAs that follow this sort of thing Up .
I guess what Im asking Is ‘If this was a Man and the public outrage would be beneficial” The feminist “would push the story for years .
This story will die in time but , we have an importunity to push the Issue but can we . ??
Letters and inquires need to be sent . This is the Job for an Organization . How can the individuality Help . Like Me .
ON another note
Girls need more protection from ‘greedy corporate world’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9783895/Girls-need-more-protection-from-greedy-corporate-world.html
Women are clueless and stupid to a point that they cannot even take care of their own emotional balance. I should say that women are highly emotionally unstable.
What are women good for, only making baby ? What do women offer men other then sex ? Ask a women, what she has to offer beside sex ? You will get a big silence and clueless look on her face. Women cannot see themselves other then babies machine. I will stop here.
If we keep diverting money from road maintenance, police force, real science program such as engineering and so on, just to please women , I guess a time might come where there won’t be enough money to keep this society running and preparing for the future ahead.
This society is becoming more and more pathetic and dysfunctional be the day.
Well, yes, joeb, there is – the much maligned AVfM.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/domestic-violence-industry/why-we-dont-need-vawa/
Paul included the following links showing the media onslaught being launched to resurrect this foul piece of legislation.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/04/opinion/murray-violence-against-women-act/index.html
http://www.ibtimes.com/republicans-killed-violence-against-women-act-why-did-media-go-silent-994238
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/01/04/16349080-the-violence-against-women-act-is-down-but-not-out this one quotes the NTF letter
http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/04/debate-over-violence-against-women-act-centers-on-the-vulnerable
this story links to the NTF website
http://current.com/shows/the-war-room/videos/violence-against-women-act-unlikely-to-pass-with-113th-congress
Just a note to me previous comments. Look at the tone of some comments. Men seems to start to get really irritated by the none sense of women. Finally men are starting to say out loud and clearing there disdain for women. I think it is a good thing as it put pressure on women.
Nothing is more frightening to a women then losing love and compassion from men. Keep the pressure.
Just a blip which might stir some encouragement about a child custody case in my family.
After a battle with his wife in family court, the father of 3 children was given custody of them all (imagine how foul she must have been). The father, when he was together with the mother, put the mother through school (paid for it) and as a result, she was able to land a good job which brought her more income than the father. The court ordered her to pay child support according to her income, but guess what, she defaulted on the payments. After another short battle, the court garnished her wages and the father has been receiving the support money for the last 2 years. Now they are going to allow her to pay voluntarily. Let’s see what happens.
BTW- This was in a NY court.
I like that “the much maligned AVfM”. It just seems like we are throwing stones from afar . Never being inclusive , Of the Group that will Make the final decisions .
Many years ago I wrote a blog on this topic ( never read by anyone ) called Marco polo . I felt at that time that I was in the deep end screaming Marco and Well The End ” I die “because I have no voice .
Some things have changed But , I never here The Three letters I need to here from Prime time TV . The MRM . Says or A representative of the MRM commented today .
I don’t want to be thoughtless about this but , Has rebel Passed or Is he a political prisoner of the state now .
Im hoping for wellness .
Thanks, oddsock.
Don’t think it hasn’t been good swearing at you. You’ll be hard to replace.
Ciao, friend
Liberals, it has been said, are generous with other peoples’ money, except when it comes to questions of national survival when they prefer to be generous with other peoples’ freedom and security.
William F Buckley JR
NY Conservative Party
Most of you probably know that Sen Diane Fienstien (D-CA) is calling for a national registry for all gun owners. That means every law abiding citizen must have their gun (s) registered with the Federal Government. She didn’t mention if criminals must register their firearms as well.
This Senate VAWA version, which empowers women even more than the existing version, takes more of our rights away.
Study out of Norway claims fathers are capable of effecting emotional well-being of their toddler children – – while the children are IN THE WOMB!
http://www.rttnews.com/2033206/fathers-mental-health-could-affect-toddler-development.aspx?type=meh
Apparently there is some sort of osmosis taking place between father and unborn child that researchers can’t seem to pin point…because in the past we always used to blame the mother…so now we need to blame the father “equally”.
Another glaring example of how feminists control our gov’t while men sleep, is the initial ramming through of VAWA in 1994. If men were as good as women back then with political savvy and were willing to put a little effort into preventing this fiasco, we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion.
VAWA has to get a simple majority in the House and Senate along with the sign off of the President. In 1994 (The 103rd Congress) had a majority in both Houses with a Democratic President. It went sailing through. I guess a good many men voted Democrat back then.
Of course, I meant that the dems had a majority in both houses back then.
tl;dr warning…
Regarding GirlWritesWhat and her motives, as I understand it she has two young sons, so it’s not unreasonable to assume that she’s acting out of genuine concern for their interests.
If one chose to be uncharitable, one could say,
“Big whoop, she only noticed institutionalized misandry when it began to directly affect those close to her, you can bet she was gleefully oblivious until the anti-male agenda finally impacted the lives of those she cares about. Now she all of a sudden gives a shit? Puh-leees…”
But since many of us here were similarly forced by the effects of malignant feminism [lol, tautology?] to take the red pill as an enema, it’s perhaps slightly unfair to berate anyone else, man or woman, for being woken up in the same manner. Anyway, if she’s on-side, does it really matter how and why she joined the cause?
Of course, given the shitty way many mothers treat their children, especially boys, just because a female ‘MRA’ has sons doesn’t guarantee that she’s sincere, but personally I think GWW is the real deal. Sure, I initially raised an eyebrow due to her sex, but I certainly can’t fault her content – it’s some of the best writing/vlogging out there, imo – an opinion no longer shared by the Good Mangina Project, it’s worth pointing out.
[Alternatively, one could speculate - as an explanation for the increasing numbers of females popping up in support of men's rights - that some of the more perceptive ones have noticed which way the wind is blowing and, following their hypergamous/herd instincts, have decided to defect to the winning team. After all, what women really think of their miserable supplicants is well known in these parts, and it should come as no surprise that some would inevitably ditch their sycophants for the company of men with balls. Just a thought.]
So long as we remain vigilant against every issue getting derailed into “but what about teh wimminz!” territory (a sure way to spot a fembot, btw) having more women visibly on board is a major benefit, since it completely undermines the typical fembot accusation of the MRM being a misogynist boys club, made up solely of bitter creeps angry at their loss of ‘male privilege’. The broader our support, the narrower the pick of misrepresentations the fembots get to choose from, and the easier it becomes for us to expose their utter dishonesty.
Similar thing goes for teh gheys. As members of a ‘protected group’ they actually enjoy a fair bit of immunity from criticism – particularly from their erstwhile champions, the PC establishment – giving them a degree of latitude to say stuff the hated ‘straight white male’ would be crucified for (however true the statement). I don’t have an axe to grind in that department either; it’s not for me, but what consenting adults do behind closed doors is none of my business. As usual, it’s the quality of the message that counts, not who delivers it. [Shit, if a fucking feminist somehow managed to one day construct a coherent argument, I'd probably have no choice but to agree with them, luckily that is a remote possibility...]
So long as we can all agree that we have collective interests as men, and that feminists are the common enemy (or at least a symptom of a deeper disease), anything beyond that is a trivial squabble, a sideshow. Like many others, I’m tired of the schisms and circular firing squads, and I really don’t see the need for division. We’re each going to find our own way of doing things anyway, not all attitudes and approaches will align, so why make an issue of it?
That said, I agree that ultimately a focus on individual rights is the way forward for the MRM, instead of it becoming yet another designated victim group playing the petty game of identity politics. However, there are plenty of issues which affect men specifically, so until those are addressed, there will remain a need for specifically men’s rights advocates. The more the merrier, especially if they include former pets of ‘The Left’, breaking from The Narrative..
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Bloody hell, that went on longer than I expected. If anyone bothered wading through all that: thank you.