People sometimes post our articles to Reddit’s men’s rights subreddit, and for the most part I appreciate it because it brings in some traffic and introduces the content to new readers. However, there’s a contingent on Reddit that really, really hates this site. Reddit is one of those enormous communities that contains multitudes — the men’s rights section alone has over 50,000 subscribers. When you get that many people, it’s pretty much impossible to keep a handle on things, so if you try to keep out infiltrators and such you won’t have much luck. So, it seems that as feminism has started to lose appeal, suddenly a bunch of feminists have gravitated toward the Reddit men’s rights subreddit.
For example, here’s a recent post by a feminist “thanking” MRAs:
This may not see the light of day, but for those who are reading:
I’m a young female feminist. And a little new to feminism. Because of my personality, I can go a little over the top, I can speak a little too harshly under the guise of passion for equality.
But subscribing to this sub has made me realize that although I am a proud feminist, there are extremes and there are radicals that can do more damage than anything.
I’m not going to apologize for the feminist fuckery that happens- Just as you (if you are male) are not obligated to apologize for the evils your sex commits…
How nice. Feminists know they are losing their support so now they are trying to make nice. Why, just a few years ago they were calling us the “abuse lobby,” and now they want to be friends. Forgive me if I’m a bit skeptical…
Getting to the point, a reader posted last week’s article on the rape abroad study, and immediately some feminists jumped in to denounce it. They got very vocal about the critique of the term victim blaming, while also demanding that rape be treated as a “unique crime.” This made me wonder whether they really do want to prevent rape. Actually, I think their actions prove that they don’t really give a damn about rape, or at least they aren’t worried about it in the least.
In the article, I suggested that those who want to minimize their chances of rape must take certain precautions, such as not going out alone amongst strangers, getting loaded, dressing like a skank and generally acting like an easy target. I compared this to men who want to avoid being assaulted, which is a crime that is more common than rape, but has some similar elements. Avoiding assault requires some precautions, including discretion about what you say. It may be your right to call that big thug on the corner a stupid, ugly SOB, but it isn’t advisable. Similarly, it may be a woman’s right to wear clothes that clearly display her secondary sexual characteristics (t&a), but it isn’t always advisable. When you mouth off to someone, it is called a “provocation.” When a woman wears revealing garments, they are called “provocative.” Both produce limbic arousal, which in certain, impulsive individuals can provoke aggressive emotional responses.
So, if you aim to avoid aggression of the ordinary or sexual sort (both are fairly closely related), you have to avoid provocation. For men, this generally comes down to avoiding aggressive language and displays, while for women it’s more a matter of avoiding flaunting her sexuality. Needless to say, women who flaunt their sexuality are also putting the men around them at risk. There’s a reason that the most sexually provocative women at clubs are typically found gracing the arms of the most menacing men; ordinary men would be essentially asking for a fistfight if they walked around with half-naked, sexually desirable women.
Not provoking people sounds pretty simple, and it is for most of us. However, I am well aware that young people drenched in hormones sometimes have a difficult time controlling themselves, so I’m willing to be understanding and to extend some sympathy to those who make mistakes. I personally made a few of those mistakes as a youth, and I once paid for it with some serious pain, but fortunately nothing of any consequence came of it. Quite frankly, I consider myself lucky I never got hurt too badly.
Being a rather compassionate person, I’m perfectly willing to take young people aside – male and female – and give them some advice that might keep them out of trouble. For young men, I’d first ask whether it’s worth risking getting stabbed or shot to look tough in front of a few people, and then tell them that if they’d like to avoid getting hurt, they must exercise some discretion on the street. Not that they should be cowards, but is it courage or stupidity to let one’s pride get the upper hand and end up on the wrong end of a gun?
Johnny Cash has a good song about it. Not a bad song to have your boy listen to if he’s got a bit too much spirit for his own good.
For young women, I’d ask whether all the male attention is worth it if there might be a really bad character out there. Sure, most men won’t hurt her, but there are some pretty low-down, scummy people out and about, and she’s catching their attention too. Wouldn’t it be better for her to avoid making a sexual spectacle out of herself around strangers and in public places?
But feminists won’t have any of that. No, if I give a woman that kind of advice, I’m a “rape apologist” engaged in “victim blaming.” To feminists, it’s unthinkable that a woman should exercise any precautions before going out into the world. There’s no problem in their world with telling men to be careful who they hang with, where they go and what they say, but women must never, ever be given sensible advice about preventing themselves from becoming victims.
You’d almost think they don’t care whether women get raped or not…
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“Because of my personality, I can go a little over the top, I can speak a little too harshly under the guise of passion for equality.”
Bitch, please. Because of your personality, you always go over the top, and you don’t have any passion for equality between the biological sexes. You have a passion for female supremacy. Get over yourself.
Ive also noticed this years ago. There are certain things I don’t do because they put myself in risk. All men have to calculate whether it is worth fighting if they are insulted. And even within that calculation, they have to take precautions for women (my mother told me never to hit a women crap). I personally avoid people I might get in a fight, or simply get over the petty crap. If a guy hits me, I need to make sure I could take him before I fight back. If he is 7 foot and 350 lb I most likely will not fight him (unless my life is at risk or my family), and I will most likely avoid confrontation. Now if it is a girl, if I hit her (even if she hits me) she has the law to put me in jail because I am male. Most domestic disputes are started one way or another by women (whether it is verbal nagging or actually physical violence). Women for some reason don’t have to make these calculations. Why because if they hit a man they have a “get out of free jail card” and if they fight with a women, they will most likely not really get hurt.
This brings me to another point. Feminists will always say it is a women’s choice to wear whatever, and I kinda agree, but they also must bear conquecences of wearing what ever they want (if they dress like a slut or stripper, then they will be treated like one). I don’t think many Guys go around showing half their dick and calling it “empowerment”. Why, because we know the conquences ( being called gay and being arrested for nudity in public). The thing is women have no punishment for being sluts like they once were (a least till they are dried up and then want to “settle down”). Why because their are too many white knights telling guys “these girls are just as good as the virgin 20 year wanting to get married”. I’m sorry but these women need to realize their value and if they miss out because of being sluts then it’s their fault and they should not have e privilege of being married and having kids.
Simple as that, men evaluate the conquences and have to from a young age because their is no safety net like their is for women. The thing is when men become successful in their 40s or so, women will most likely be out of marriage makes because they lost sexual market value. Men have to bear the conquences early in life and that Is partially what makes us great. Women expect the things to be handed to them and when they come to the realization that they are old dried up and worthless, they make desperate attempts to salvage what little worth they have left.
As for unmarryied successful men like myself, I don’t even dare date in my age group, I date girls much younger because the women in my age group destroyed themselves having fun in their weakly years and now want to settle down because they are losing value fast.
Yeah, feminists have been doing this for awhile now. It won’t work. It didn’t work when Ozy Frantz created No Seriously What About Teh Menz and then stormed off a little while ago due to some good men project post. It didn’t work when a few subreddits were created to help bridge the divide between MRA and feminists, all it did was show they were more interested in appropriation and colonization of men’s issues than actually engaging men.
It is kinda a fascinating thing to observe. It goes something like this:
Step 1: Feminist proclaims that she isn’t like all those other feminists *shudders* and claims those are strawfeminists.
Step 2: Feminist claims that she really does care about men’s issues and proclaims that she wants to help.
Step 3: Feminist attempts to argue her one and true personalized version of feminist religious ideology and how her own personal Gaia will deliver the cismenpeople from their oppression under the patriarchal caliphate.
Step 4: Discussion happens between the lowly cismenanimals and the feminist. The men attempt to explain their position and feelings, after much goating to open up and become more feminine by expressing more feeling than ragemode10, and the feminist freedomfighter becomes irate.
Step 5: The feminist hero-person realizes that the lowly cismen people need to be educated in the ways of her personalized feminist orthodoxy and begins a campaign of silencing those cismen whose opinion she disagrees with.
Step 6: The feminist hero-person continues creating ingroup and outgroupings of people identified as cismen based on her own feelings of whether or not what those things, encultured and socialized as cismen, embody the socialized status and experience that our glorious femherozir/zie things the experience of cismentranssexuals should be.
Step 7: After trying to work with zir feminist goddess the moderate MRAs become so confused and irate about not being able to talk about their experiences, and only having a ciswomantransexualbispiritperson/zir speak for their experiences, that they are either cast out by the femisavior or leave for a place that they can finally speak their minds with othermen.
Step 8: Unfortunately some of the softer MRAs have now had their minds stolen by ze femigaiatwospirittransexualpansgendered savior and will never be seen or heard from again. They are locked into a mindfuck cage and only occasionally are seen grazing for thoughts on forums now completely run by feminists. To make sure they don’t get too uppity they are occasionally given some privilege peanuts and told to argue with other cismen, who are newcomers, about how feminists don’t have a obligation to fix men’s problems and how WATM is oppressive penisspeak meant to abuse the pansexualtwospiritedtransgenderdemispirited sanctity of the femsphere.
RIP /b/rothers
“You’d almost think they don’t care whether women get raped or not…”
They don’t care as much about the victim per se, rather the political power they can leverage using rape and rape statistics. That 1 in 4 figure is a gross exaggeration, it’s more like 1 in 400. Ask every woman you know, how many women she knows and how many of those have been raped. I’m sure if you know say 40 women and each of those knows 100 women, most of them won’t know anyone who has been (genuinely) raped, maybe some did file a rape complaint after they felt they slept around , looked bad and needed someone to blame.
Indeed, it seems they don’t actually. Why would they – most rape cases don’t seriously injure or harm the victim, for the few that do – it isn’t the rape that’s the violent crime but the battery/beating accompanying the act of rape itself – and that sort of violence is much more commonly meted out to men. As for the mental trauma – don’t they always say women are mentally way stronger than men ? So how come a woman who’s just had involuntary sexual intercourse, be more traumatized than the mentally weak men who’ve had bashed black and blue, broken bones and teeth , cuts and bruises and all that stuff you’d be in the ER for ?
Over nearly 45 years, I have noticed that everything women/feminists accuse men of, is more true for women. Victim blaming is on that list.
In the mid-80′s, I was counseling men, usually in divorce, but unwed situations as well.
A man called me. The only job he found was in a pizza place, making $50 a week. Child support recovery told him they were going to take half of that $50. He only ate because his boss let him have canceled pizza orders.
He and a buddy were living in an old mobile home. It was November, and at that location, it was going below freezing at night. They could not afford fuel oil. He called the welfare people, who admitted if they were dearies, they would have fuel the same day. Alas, they were not dearies. So, freeze your cojones off, you evil male abusers.
I put him in contact with a Federal Congressman, whose staff got him some fuel oil.
These stories make it hard for me not to be a revolutionary, which is why I moved to Mexico.
When I tell such stories to women, they shrug and say, “He chose to have sex with that woman and make those twin girls. Too bad. You play; you pay.”
That is true victim blaming, far beyond telling sluts to put on some clothes. This sort of victim blaming for men destroyed by child support rules; or alimony; or property settlements, is totally normal for dearies.
Do I blame the victims? When it is appropriate. I am good at it. I was taught by the world’s finest Blame-The-Victim experts. Dearies.
Price, you are falling for the bait and switch. You persist in believing that rape involves an attack of some kind, but that’s “legitimate rape” and the Feminists have utterly rejected it.
Rape is a woman being embarrassed about the sex she had, that’s it.
So the whole slut-walk chic is all about ending rape, which is they never want to be embarrassed about the sex they are having. Slut shaming is setting the conditions for rape – by making it likely that she will be embarrassed about the sex she had.
The thing about being coerced by a superior? Thinking that it has something to do with being overpowered only produces unreliable analytical results. Once you understand that it’s about her being embarrassed – either by being subjugated OR by not being good enough at her job to keep it/advance otherwise – that you get unambiguous answers.
That theory of rape that you’re ascribing to, it doesn’t fit the facts – as you have noted!
Let that ancient patriarchal definition go.
If all rape were to suddenly stop the world over (including the kind of rape where she has sex when she didn’t feel like it), there would always be every rape that has ever occured before.
Just like – even though more women are presently employed than men, women control 65% of personal wealth, women elected our current President, women have “free” health care specific to “lady parts”, women live on averge 8 more years than men, we have 3 women on the Supreme Court and the last 3 Secretary of States have been women…there will always be the tattered Herstory of when men had their wives chained to iron-cast stoves barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, before they could vote nationally and when they weren’t allowed to join entities known as “Men’s Clubs”.
So even if you can disprove statistics based on “studies”, they’ll always have Herstory – – or Feminist Revisionist History, because they know most people are either too lazy to check it or are afraid of being called a “hater” for questioning it.
These are the tools of their trade that serve to keep the Victimhood Narrative alive in the discourse of public opinion; because “there’s always more work to do”…until the 51% Minority is proportionately represented in every male dominated domain – – except the unglamorous/low status dirty and dangerous ones that don’t pay well. They’ll let the lowly 49% Majority keep those. I mean like YUK!
Am I the only one who cringes at the fallacy in these words:
>I’m not going to apologize for the feminist fuckery that happens- Just as you (if you are male) are not obligated to apologize for the evils your sex commits
If I have to apologize form something that anyone of my sex commits then surely you have to apologize for everything that anyone of your species commits, too. Right?
It’s the same sort of category.
I do not choose to be male. I just am.
She on the other hand deliberately chooses to be a feminist. Being a feminist is a statement of hers. It says: “I give my support to this movement and stand behind its actions”.
NAFALT is no excuse for someone willing to be the powerbase of an ideology of doubtful morality.
On a fundamental level many people don’t believe in individual autonomy. They really can’t understand any solution that’s not on the group level. If a sheep gets eaten by a wolf, the solution isn’t some sort of defensive sheep training, or even a hunt for offending wolf: the only solution is to kill every single wolf.
One thing you could do Welmer is Only give that advice to your own daughter. For everybody elses daughter. Tell them be true to yourself and be save . Make sure they have a cell phone or are with a friend with a phone and call if they need anything. Most important enjoy y7ourself you deserve it.
I bet that was similar to what that 18 year old kids mom told her when she went to Aruba to drink and party.
Now after reading that who sounds the most like a rape enabler greyghost or Welmer.
This is not a women’s problem any more. In my opinion, the men’s rights movement should warn young MEN about the dangers of intimate assault, in part because nobody else will. This is what I would say:
“In unsafe situations, women should avoid provocative clothes and men should avoid provocative words.”
The statement stems from this data:
http://i.imgur.com/Ps9wW.jpg
Conclusion: For non consensual intimate assault with no further harm or violence, these two numbers are EQUAL:
Female perpetrator & male victimize = Male perpetrator & female victim
That is, the number of male victims of female assault is equal to the number of female victims of male assault.
I realize that for many middle age men, this data simply “does not compute.” Maybe I can help to put this into context.
Most mid-20s women were socialized on a mega-dose of two feminist narcotics, “entitlement” and “impunity”. They believe that they have a right to anything that they want, and that they are unaccountable for anything that they do. In addition, most mid-20s women have never experienced rejection. Can you understand how, when rejection occurs, a young woman could easily decide to use threats, violence, or drugs to get what she wants?
What does it feel like to be one of those 1.27 million boys and men who are assaulted by women every year? It is easy to exaggerate the damage done … but it is also easy to minimize the damage done. It is definitely not “nothing”. Here are some data points from my experience (when I was 13 my mother offered me to an adult friend):
1) The adult woman was cruel in a characteristically female way. She knew what my vulnerabilities would be, and she chose words which would leave the deepest and longest lasting wounds. When a woman uses force to turn a “no” into a “yes”, she will be angry, and cruelty of this kind will be common.
2) I had intermittent (~2 / year) nightmares for 31 years. The nightmares intensified (every night) when my wife was pregnant with my second son. This was (in part) what drove me into the MRM.
3) How bad is it? I would pay good money for a magic potion to reverse time and make it not happen. If the price was loss of one of my fingers, I would say no. If the price was loss of one of my toes, I would say yes. I swear this to you, as a fellow MRA. IT IS NOT FUN. It does not happen the way that people imagine. There is far more cruelty and fear than there is pleasure.
4) What is a fair punishment for simple non-consent with no further harm or violence? I think 3 year sentence, out in 1 with good behavior, and 5 years on the registry is appropriate for what happened to me.
We are the MRM. Over 1 million boys and men are being assaulted in this way every year. For the majority, it will be an unpleasant and painful memory (though not life shattering). If we can help them, we should.
In general, men should be very, very, very careful not to make a modern woman angry. False accusations can come from anger. Intimate assault can come from anger.
It is no longer enough to warn women not to dress provocatively. We must warn men not to act provocatively. In particular, if a woman wants intimacy and you do not, be careful how you say “no”. If she becomes angry, there is a significant chance that she will leverage the legal advantage of her gender for revenge. You may become the victim of intimate assault. It will be painful, and there will be nothing that you can do about it (before, during, or after).
This is happening to more than one million men and boys every year. It is time for the MRM to act.
Just my opinion.
This is a good website on youtube called violentwomenamongus
The following video shows the real nature of women:
Tennessee Paternity Test Law, Killed By Women’s Political Caucus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SexbPB0fEac
Finally men are starting to get it, feminism is not the problem,
women are the problem and need to be oppressed.
This is a comment I took from this page:
Is it just me or do most women have absolutely no compassion for anything but themselves??? In school, I was always taught that women are the more compassionate, caring and loving gender, and men were brutal, relentless murderers. Now, I’ve been looking at things, and it all seems like the total opposite! Obvs there are exceptions, as with anything, but hell, after some of the national TV freak incidents and these things done by women to incriminate men, I am forced to take on such an opinion…
Finally some men are getting it women are plain and simple evil.
Anon 70
When I tell such stories to women, they shrug and say, “He chose to have sex with that woman and make those twin girls. Too bad. You play; you pay.”
This is why MRA’s should show no mercy and why there must be a male pill.
Price,
The masculinist in me thinks this is great!
The feminist in me has just gotten brain overload because you said provocative. I mean honestly, I was following you when you said “men should not” but then you said women should not act slutty and my brain shut down like a windows vs mac commercial.
Please allow my reboot so my inner feminist can rant and rave if my inner masculinist who thinks men are people does not rape that better half first.
Boop, boop, beep; ennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. Ok, my fax machine is back on. Now my computer can talk; and strangely my inner male did not rape my inner feminist while I was under. Thank God for feminist ideology and magnetic tape readers. Women’s technological ability be praised!
Ok, so now why you are wrong about telling women they should not do anythin…………………..ennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Ooops, my inner feminist brain shut down, and my asshole inner masculinist MAC brain is laughing its ass off. Sexist asshole.
My inner feminist will get you Price, you just wait; if it has too, it will use its outdated ideals and “chisel” you a frickin message. Maybe it can sucker some dumb mangina male into paying the postage fee for a chiseled piece of stone? Of course, this body is a masculine male so he won’t; sexist, how sexist!
Anon Age 70,
Over nearly 45 years, I have noticed that everything women/feminists accuse men of, is more true for women. Victim blaming is on that list.
Yes. Remember what I often say :
Any greatly inaccurate accusation is usually projection on the part of the accuser. What appears like an accusation is in fact just the release of the inner conflict in the form of projection.
The fraud of the rape industry is immediately obvious when you note that no woman who is a 7 or higher in looks seems to be complaining about some rape epidemic.
So the ones who would actually be at greater risk, don’t seem to think it is a prevalent enough crime to worry about it.
The ones who claim rape is rampant are usually the ones far too unattractive to have to worry about rape.
This also shows female solipism, and how a man can apply this to game. Ugly women think that by pretending to be more attractive than they are, that would actually work. Pure solipism. Now, a man who pretends to be more attractive than he is (confidence), actually WILL see better results.
Generic reddit gobshite: “I’m a young female feminist. And a little new to feminism.”
… mmm … schoolgirlsss…
Oh, there is always some feminist or mangina trying to worm their way into the confidence of men. It generally fails for a very simple reason:
They don’t really regard us as human beings. Hard to be genuinely trustworthy when you regard men as robots, sperm vending machines, walking ATM’s or some other object.
I remember when, in the 80′s, there was a lot of talk about “the objectification of women”, how men only looked at women as “sex objects”. Now I know the truth: it was the usual projection of women / mangina attitudes.
I am a human being, not a service robot.
Men’s Rights: the radical idea that men are human beings, not machines or livestock.
@Ecclesiastes
You’re exactly right. Rape – the way the word should and used to be defined – was an act of violence for most of human history. Exercising control through sex or acting out base sexual desire, yeah, but still violence. I would be happy to keep it confined to that place where, it, y’know, still means something. These days, it’s only about regret, which is utter bullshit.
Let me share a quick story here; I was, per the current definition of rape, “raped” in college. It was a horrible experience, one that hurt tremendously and messed me up for a number of years. But, at the same time, I knew that it wasn’t solely his fault. He’d never lied to me about he wanted, his intentions were straight-forward, and there was no intent on his part to violently attack me. I was drunk, but then again, so was he. Not that it excuses him or vindicates me – guys really should stay away from drunk women, but I was fully aware of my decision to go home with him that night. We both made bad choices that night. My regret for having put myself in the situation, for being irresponsible, was what hurt me the most. Not him, me. I could have destroyed his life over it – I had male friends in college who lost much over far less, my college was punchy like that – but it didn’t deserve that, in my eyes. Mistakes =/= crimes.
I choose to view it as the bad decision – and learning experience – that it was, instead of “sexual assault” or “rape”. I know a woman who was raped, viciously, by her father, for years. For me, yeah, I thought I could handle something I couldn’t, so maybe a little so-called “slut-shaming” in the form of decrying promiscuous female behavior would have stopped me from putting myself in that position. My friend had no choice in what her father was doing to her. At the very least, to me it seems like placing the same label on my experience devalues hers.
For me, it comes down to this; should somebody with a bad sunburn get the same kind of sympathy, support, medical resources and unquestioning attention from friends/family as somebody with terminal cancer? Because that is exactly the situation we have now by allowing all regret-sex to be called “rape”.
You know, this article on the rape abroad and a recent SVU re-run (The “Slut Walk” that originates, I guess, in Toronto…) and some commen I read (was it here?) about what women do in a party vs what men do in a party had me thinking about feminism in a very different way…
So this comment was about the hypergamy of women vs. men and that when a man walks into a room, he glances around, finds who he deems the most attractive few in the room, and approaches them, ignoring all the rest. A woman walks into the same room and remembers every single woman in the room and ranks them as nowhere near her level or above her level. Once she finds people competing on the same level as her, she works to “beat” them to the most available men.
I know women are very aggressive in their competitiveness – can be brutal. The renounciation of self-control has made it much worse (Mean Girls, anyone?). It had me thinking that feminism was created by a bunch of sad, sorry bitches to destroy their competition or at least prevent them from getting what they couldn’t get.
Nothing convinces me more of this than the claim of “victim blaming”, “slut walk”, and repudiation of “rape culture” with absolutely no attempt to educate women on avoiding the situtation in the first place.
I feel like they essentially say, “Go ahead, walk home at 2am in a mini-skirt, floozy blouse, looking hot with your long, sexy hair around your face, drunk. If you get raped, we’ll make sure the men are blamed… but for you, deary, we’d gladly see your demise if it means we have better access to the top men.”
Why should rape be a “Unique” crime? Why should it allow an accuser to remain hidden, while the accused name is plastered all over the media?
Why should an accusation (Her word) be enough to arrest a man and put him though humiliating experiences, physical exams, incarceration, interrogation, and public shaming? Why should questioning the accuser or her motives be viewed as “victim blaming” when for any other crime, including the ultimate, murder, this is standard procedure? Why should we stand back, while colleges use a watered down standard of proof just to satisfy feminists who decry that we are living in a rape culture? Women have been lying about rape for eons. Sure, some were telling the truth and were not believed, but that doesn’t mean we should throw away our entire justice system and automatically sentence a man to death simply because a female pointed the finger. Rape shield laws need to be inclusive of the accused, or dismantled altogether. No more “unique” protections just for women.
in my opinion, any girl who wants to “reach out” or “sympathize” with mens rights is just a gift-bearing greek. They may not knowingly be so, but there it is.
I think it was elmer who said that once women are allowed into a male space, the focus changes from accomplishing a goal to the comfort and security of the women present. this is also what will happen to the MRM, if we allow women into it. from what ive seen this tends to happen on a site by site basis: i wont name names, but i know of mens rights sites that completely divorced themselves from the manosphere within months of letting women write for them regularly. this was the culmination of every other line in every single post being something along the lines of “not to distract from real womens issues, but…” “women are every bit as equal as men, but..” “we dont want to offend women, but….”
theres no sight more pathetic than seeing MRAs supplicate to a female audience by couching their valid points in a sugary coating(ex “not to say that women dont suffer real domestic violence, but the number and just how damaging these episodes are is highly exaggerated”).
AntZ, I’m so sorry about what happened to you. I had two older relatives who would seek me out when we were alone to abuse me. It happened for a number of years, and i tried to make sure I was never alone with either on of them. Picture an innocent little girl with a brown pixie haircut, seven years old. Knee socks. Worried if someone wanted to have a feel.
When I was a younger man, I use to give women various courtesies and respect. Now, upon meeting them I am suspicious of their motives and inherently distrust them. Thank you feminists.
I have not thought of the issue from this angle before. Very well reasoned article.