Newtown: Put the Police State on the Table

by W.F. Price on December 18, 2012

With the latest mass murder, which was apparently tailor-made for a liberal push to abolish the 2nd Amendment, we see the sharks in a feeding frenzy. There’s no doubt that they smell blood, and plan to capitalize on it. Newtown is the contemporary liberal version of 9-11, and they appear to be intent on pushing it to their advantage to the same extent the neocons did in 2001, when some Saudi terrorists blew up the WTC and the US military ended up invading Iraq, which had nothing to do with it.

Yes, let’s be honest: this tragedy is being used by the regime to further their aims to reduce the USA to another quasi-totalitarian leftist state like the UK, which routinely throws people in prison for making bad jokes on Twitter.

I’m not sure gun control is even all that relevant to the situation. It’s just a push to do something to finally secure that permanent victory the Obama coalition is dreaming about. Killing a bunch of little kids doesn’t require an AR-15; a lever-action .30-30, a six-shooter and a hatchet would do the job just fine. But that isn’t the point. This is purely political. To weaken support for the Constitution, you have to find an angle, and the 2nd amendment looks like the weakest link in the chain of the Bill of Rights. Get rid of that, and it will be easier to throw people in prison for “hate speech,” which is really the top priority for the left. In order to jail us for what we say, they have to first take away our right to defend ourselves.

So I propose a little test here. If they really want gun control, that’s fine, but each and every restriction on citizens must also apply to the men tasked with keeping us in line. If we aren’t allowed to have high-capacity magazines and body armor, then the police, who are also subject to our laws, should not have them either. What does “equality” mean if one class of people – government employees – is not subject to the same laws as the other? We have more government employees than ever, and they have more power and armament than ever. Don’t believe me? Look at them:

All are carrying assault rifles with high-capacity magazines. In the overwhelming majority of instances, they do so going up against no more than one or two people armed with little more than a handgun. If ordinary civilians don’t need these weapons, the police, with superior manpower, organization and communication resources, certainly don’t need them either.

So fine. Take our guns. But give yours up, too. The arms race in the US is a direct response to the rise of the police and prison-industrial state. Why doesn’t the left ever mention this? Why, because the cops are their very own paid mercenaries. SWPL city dwellers depend on these guys to intimidate the minorities in their coalition — to keep them in their place. As the US grows increasingly fragmented, they will depend on them even more.

This gun grabbing is about empowering the state at the expense of citizens who believe in a free yeomanry — it’s about building an America under the thumb of a new Praetorian Guard. Fools. They are giving up our collective liberty for a little bit of precarious power, and they aren’t by any means putting a halt to future violence, which will come in spades when people realize it’s the only tool left that works in our hollowed-out, uncivil society.

I expect they’ll have their way, just like the neocon Republicans steamrolled Iraq despite the big lies their invasion depended on for support. La plus ca change.

For us men, it’s a wash. The police state is overextended at home. I’m not sure the left can take much more from us without wrecking their foundation, but that won’t stop them from trying. They instinctively understand that they are going to need a whole lot of state violence to keep the funds flowing, and I think that’s what’s really behind the all-out push to disarm American citizens. If they break all potential for resistance, it might give them a few more years of collecting government checks, driving their priuses around and taking yearly trips to Europe — after that who knows? We don’t plan all that far in advance these days anyway.

When it comes to gun control, I’ll just recommend that we give them an ear, but at the same time hold out for less government power. If they take our guns, they should give up theirs, too. I know they don’t want to consider that, but it’s an entirely fair demand.

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"The One" December 18, 2012 at 21:51

They keep suspending my twitter account too. I have a suspicion the last couple gun crimes were done by mushy-headed guys who were “Manchurian Candidates” of someone using a technique like “inception” to subconsciously compel them to murder, while they’re minds are kept open to input by pharmaceuticals. False flag ops are the way for big government to get stuff done.

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highwasp December 18, 2012 at 21:53

you read my mind… I wonder to what extent did the shooter’s mom and female teachers have in motivating his actions? what if the shooter is the victim? what if more and more evidence (or strong implications) of the women using their authority as mom and teachers to manipulate a mentally unstable young man keeps coming out? ~ what they couldn’t plan on and didn’t intend was how totally berserk the young man went… and his choice of targets was a complete and lethal surprise…

Of course it’s not actually paranoia if ‘they’ really are out to get you, is it?. And ‘they’ being a feminist police state, well, they really are out to get me!

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Justinian December 18, 2012 at 21:55

Boehner calls for ‘discussion’ on guns

It looks like the speaker of the house is signalling that he is going to go along with a new gun control measure.

We are already living under a one-party system.

What purpose does the Republican party serve?

I have never voted democrat in my life, but I might just do that going forward if only so I can get my share of free shit before it all collapses.

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Anonymous December 18, 2012 at 22:01

Well said – a feeding frenzy. How on Earth can anyone not see it? And even if not, how can anyone stomach it emotionally? You have to be a real Opite type glutton, an American woman in other words – or a Liberal.

In old England, the Police carried nothing more than nightsticks for the most part. Firearms were considered too dangerous to be trusted to anyone but the People.

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Hf December 18, 2012 at 22:14

Anyone remember the OKC bombing? I do, it shook the rafters over my head in my high school gym. Zero guns, only fertilizer, diesel gas and a rental truck iirc.
As far as taking my guns, well I encourage them to try!

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DirkJohanson December 18, 2012 at 22:21

Exactly. Been saying the same thing myself

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Poiuyt December 18, 2012 at 22:43

http://www.channel4.com/news/andrew-mitchell-plebgate-police-cctv-downing-street
In the UK, that veritable home nation of english-socialism [ingsoc], an overly powerful and politicized police have been caught out red-handed constructing false evidence against a disliked job-cutting conservative government and its chief whip :

The UK police service have been shown to have engaged in fabricating false evidence and proof of misconduct against the conservative governments cabinet member which lead to his resignation.

The context of why the police chose to apply such underhand criminal methods to a government minister, that it usually applies to many hapless men subject to police powers, is their anger at the conservative governments policy of state-jobs cutting. And just as North Americas most expansive state expenditure item is in Defense, the UK’s most expansive state expenditure item has been on Police [Under freedom Hating Socialist Governments].

In short, the UK police having grown accustomed to unlimited jobs, unlimited funding, undue power on tap, and guaranteed State cover/protection under socialist governments, are angrily fighting back against a cost cutting, jobs slashing, state shrinking conservative government. And in this endevour the police are applying their usual fraudulent methods and sly tactics, having been permitted to routinely use similar disinformation and false witness accounts against ordinary people subject to police attention under socialist governments.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20775071

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info December 18, 2012 at 22:55

Infowars site focusses on young men following the Newtown massacre…

http://www.infowars.com/22-stats-that-prove-that-there-is-something-seriously-wrong-with-young-men-in-america/

The following are 22 stats that prove that there is something seriously wrong with young men in America today…

#1 Males account for approximately 70 percent of all Ds and Fs in U.S. public schools.

#2 About two-thirds of all students in “special education programs” are boys.

#3 The average American girl spends 5 hours a week playing video games. The average American boy spends 13 hours a week playing video games.

#4 The average young American will spend 10,000 hours playing video games before the age of 21.

#5 One study discovered that 88 percent of all Americans between the ages of 8 and 18 play video games, and that video game addiction is approximately four times as common among boys as it is among girls.

#6 At this point, 15-year-olds that attend U.S. public schools do not even rank in the top half of all industrialized nations when it comes to math or science literacy.

#7 In 2011, SAT scores for young men were the worst that they had been in 40 years.

#8 According to a survey conducted by the National Geographic Society, only 37 percent of all Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 can find the nation of Iraq on a map.

#9 According to the New York Times, approximately 57 percent of all young people enrolled at U.S. colleges are women.

#10 It is being projected that women will earn 60 percent of all Bachelor’s degrees from U.S. universities by the year 2016.

#11 Even if they do graduate from college, most of our young men still can’t find a decent job. An astounding 53 percent of all Americans with a bachelor’s degree under the age of 25 were either unemployed or underemployed during 2011.

#12 Pornography addiction is a major problem among our young men. An astounding 30 percent of all Internet traffic now goes to pornography websites, and one survey found that 25 percent of all employees that have Internet access in the United States even visit sex websites while they are at work.

#13 In the United States today, 47 percent of all high school students have had sex.

#14 The United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate on the entire planet. If our young men behaved differently this would not be happening.

#15 In the United States today, one out of every four teen girls has at least one sexually transmitted disease. If our young men were not sex-obsessed idiots running around constantly looking to “score” these diseases would not be spreading like this.

#16 Right now, approximately 53 percent of all Americans in the 18 to 24 year old age bracket are living at home with their parents.

#17 According to one survey, 29 percent of all Americans in the 25 to 34 year old age bracket are still living with their parents.

#18 Young men are nearly twice as likely to live with their parents as young women the same age are.

#19 Overall, approximately 25 million American adults are living with their parents in the United States right now according to Time Magazine.

#20 Today, an all-time low 44.2% of Americans between the ages of 25 and 34 are married.

#21 Back in 1950, 78 percent of all households in the United States contained a married couple. Today, that number has declined to 48 percent.

#22 Young men are about four times more likely to commit suicide as young women are.

So what do you think about this generation of young men in America? Please feel free to post a comment with your thoughts below…

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greyghost December 18, 2012 at 23:01

The gun buying the last couple of years has been not for sport or even the threat of a new gun ban. People are buying as a hedge against the government. One of the new “trends” I have notice is the tacticool stuff is coming off. It’s SHTF set ups now with iron sites with all of the cool stuff (battery powered lights and gadgets) coming off.
I do live in Texas so my view of things maybe different than people from other parts of the country. I took a conceiled handgun carry class with a group of guys from work and the instructor told us the state of texas used to receive 1500 applications a month. It is now 10000 a month.

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W.F. Price December 18, 2012 at 23:41

@greyghost

Interesting observation. For most of us, the simpler the better, so perhaps people are taking this stuff a little more seriously these days.

"The One" December 18, 2012 at 23:45

An Iranian site features a paranoid guy who gets completely carried away with a ridiculous Israel-centered conspiracy theory about the Newtown shooting:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/18/278706/israeli-squads-tied-to-newtown-carnage

(I thought I had found a source of news when I found that site, but now everything else they write has to be taken with a grain of salt.)

Even so, I am intrigued by my own speculation that there has been some manipulation of suggestible minds, done over the digital network. I have neither convinced myself that it was so, nor have I ruled it out. But my conspiracy hypothesis has nothing to do with Israel in this case.

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MRA December 19, 2012 at 00:13

Gun trafficking will create more casualties, also with gun control police still can track shooter but with trafficking will be a mess just like cocaine in Mexico.

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man December 19, 2012 at 00:24

“If they take our guns, they should give up theirs, too.”
succinct.
I don’t want to add anything to this marvelous post.

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kirk December 19, 2012 at 01:14

Where were the men during the shooting? There’s like, half a dozen women pictured among the child victims, but where the hell are the men?

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Anonymous December 19, 2012 at 01:22

Gun-grabbing or societal breakdown, either way it ain’t good.

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Freckled December 19, 2012 at 01:25

Changing gun laws won’t help at all. Just take a good look at Germany. If you set the rate of school shootings in relation to the population, Germany has the second highest rate of school shootings.
The guns are not the problem.

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Opus December 19, 2012 at 03:01

I certainly do not want to intrude upon your troubles (other than to observe that school shootings have been taking place in America since the 1850s – and to predict that any prohibiton on ownership of guns will surely only lead to a profitable illegal trade therein) but – it was of course front-page news here for a number of days (one British victim) – and as an outsider, a number of things struck me; these were;

1. As Lanza was not nor had been – for a while – a pupil of the school, he nevertheless seemed to have some on-going grievance against the staff. Why would he (or anyone) do that?

2. The school was locked to the outside world, preumably to prevent a school-shooting (although a window is no impediemnt to a man intent on causing mayhem): how different from any sshool I was ever a pupil of, where access and egress was merely a case of putting one foot in front of another. Less a school: more like a prison.

3. All the teachers in this mixed school seem to have been female – have all men driven away from teaching, by the prospect of false allegations? Would this by any chance be the ultinate root of Lanza’s troubles?

4. At the time of the incident , the head-mistress was in a meeting – (that is all women ever seem to do – meetings). Head teachers should not be too posh to teach!

5.The Head-Mistresses meeting was with the school Psychologist: when I was a schoolboy, we had a Chaplain for the care of our souls and a Matron (the only female in the school, apart from the catering staff) – no-nonsense, old-school: splendid woman! – for the care of our bodies (if needed) which was precious little. What on earth do they need a psychologist for – and there was another female victim who was the Therapist. Why are your schools full of psycho-babble?

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oddsock December 19, 2012 at 04:13

The simple head up your arse combined with cognitive dissonance of you Americans is truely staggering.

Ok ok, if you must stick with your paranoia of some group of cultural marxist takeover of America lets go with that, if it keeps you all from spitting out your dummy and apple pie, but first:-

About a couple of years back I tried my best to inform the likes of Keyster and Mickey T what was coming down the pike and that all this had nothing to do with left right politics. It was and obviously still is and as plain as the nose on your face global corporate takeover by the bankster elite.

Recently I even had Keyster telling me , ah yes but they are socialist elite. Feck me gently does, it matter what label you give them ? They don’t give a flying feck what you call them! Going back a couple of years, I also had Mickey T along with Keyster telling me, mind your own business Oddsock worry about your own country America will be fine blah blah blah you put your Tin foil hat on and take your crazy conspiracy theories elsewhere.

Oh really ! Fast forward; 49 millions Americans now on food stamps Keyster being one of them, and rising daily. Well over 1 million Americans now living on less than 2 Dollars a day, tent cities springing up everywhere ever increasing job losses and we still have Keyster and Mickey T screaming its those damn cultural marxists fault we just need a republican government. JUDAS PRIEST !!! Are you guys for real ?

Now, I know many will still like to shout conspiracy nut etc but read the above again and again and again until or at least some of it sinks in however painful that may be.

I repeat what I tried so hard to get across to Keyster and Mickey T a couple of years back prior to the 49 millions food stamps etc etc.

America is finished, its FUBAR its had its time the Elite of the world and who gives a feck what you want to label them, are about to pull the plug on you guys, it is obviously in progress, some say by April next year. The USA is bankrupt many times over same as Europe and UK. It is all planned simple as that. The current fiat currency system is totally fecked there will be a major reset. Just imagine what will happen to the living standards of the average American when this happens?

Now consider this. You already have 49 million on food stamps and record homelessness etc. What the feck do you think will happen when the SHTF ? Bearing in mind the gun ownership of Americans ? Look at Europe. Look at Greece. Look at Spain and they don’t have guns!

But hey, I am just a conspiracy nut ! Maybe you guys just have to be more careful who you vote into presidency, next time !

Good grief beam me up Scotty !

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Madvillainy December 19, 2012 at 04:59

Hey “info”, why would you clutter the comments with that stupid list when it has something like this on it:

#14 The United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate on the entire planet. If our young men behaved differently this would not be happening.

#15 In the United States today, one out of every four teen girls has at least one sexually transmitted disease. If our young men were not sex-obsessed idiots running around constantly looking to “score” these diseases would not be spreading like this.

Written by a man who would blame his nose for being in the way if a woman punched him in it. It’s just another shaming article. Even with that list, men still contribute vastly more to society than women. Real stuff. Stuff that matters.

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Bill December 19, 2012 at 05:18

I really do feel bad for the families effected by this mass killing. The biggest problem I have is that We seem to be forgetting this guy was mentially Ill. Guns where not the problem it was him. He could have done this with a knife or even a low caliber rifle if he wanted. Restricting the gun law will never stop these sort of things, it will just create a larger black market for weapons and take weapons away from those who should have them (responsible citizens). I am afrid the republicans will cave on this because the liberals have the “children” card and that most
Likely wins. Anyway, I think that within the next few years gun laws are definitely going to become tighter.

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oddsock December 19, 2012 at 05:51

Keeping my Tin Foil hat on.

This video may interest some of you pro gun people?
It would appear that Conneticut already has a ban or a law dealing with assault rifles.

Hey maybe your government just forgot this but still want to use it to disarm everyone in the USA? Governments never lie or do anything underhand. I mean, everythings gonna be fine in America perhaps they are just being a little cautious ? Maybe its just those damn cultural marxists again. (AKA Banking elite)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=greuYvcMLDk

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Anon7 December 19, 2012 at 05:53

Aparently, it is possible to determine the average number of victims per mass murder over a period of time, and then compare the severity by ‘means of killing’. A mass murder is defined as three or more people killed at a time. (The earliest mass murder in the US was committed in 1780.)

In the 20th century, mass murders committed with guns averaged 4.9 victims per mass murder. Mass murders committed with bare hands averaged 4.5 victims per mass murder. So, going by the numbers, if you’re going to ban guns, you’ll need to do something about all those hands, as well.

BTW, the highest number is achieved with explosives: the average number of victims per mass murder with explosives is 20.5.

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E.J. December 19, 2012 at 06:26

How are young boys to blame for young girls having sex, when they’re usually fucking older guys? Who wrote that drivel?

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Anti Idiocy December 19, 2012 at 06:28

“I wonder to what extent did the shooter’s mom and female teachers have in motivating his actions?”

Munchausen syndrome by proxy. Actually, in many ways, feminism is Munchausen syndrome by proxy.

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brigadon December 19, 2012 at 06:34

I agree with Madvillainy.
@info-
first of all, source that crap. Some of it we already know (and has been extensively sourced here, AVFM, and other mrm sites) but a lot of it looks like it has been pulled from a bodily orifice.

intro and #1 through #7: Nice try, blaming boys for our feminized school system. try again.

#8: aww, how cute. now you are saying ‘americans’ instead of ‘boys’, right after discussing a bunch of male statistics in order to misleadingly conflate the two.

#9-#10: I will not argue with that statistic.

#11: once again, you are trying to conflate ‘boys’ and ‘americans’. I am not sure why you keep saying ‘boys this’ and then ‘Americans that’. Please decide who you are talking about.

#12: If you were not a troll, you would realize that pornography ‘addiction’ is not only a myth, but it has been discussed to death here and is a completely different issue from education. the increased web traffic to pornography sites is looked upon, by many, as a positive change.

#13: so what? in 1214, 84% of all women had had more than 1 child by the age of 19. This statistic means nothing.

#14 on that list is blatantly manufactured. Every middle eastern country has higher teen pregnancy rates. The difference is, their pregnant teens are generally MARRIED. Teen pregnancy rates have, in fact, dropped in the US.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/USTPtrends.pdf

get a clue, dipshit.

#15: as the gatekeepers of sex, it is more likely the young WOMEN running around like idiots trying to score are causing the inflated VD occurences.
#16: That is fairly stable and consistent with history. once again, you are midleadingly applying ‘boys’ to the subject of ‘americans’.
#17: “Americans”
#18: define ‘young men’ and ‘young women’ by definite age brackets, please. if you are talking about 12 year olds, girls moving out is probably a serious problem. saying ‘the same age brackets’ with a nebulous term like ‘young’ is nothing but a null.
#19: also consistent. My children’s grandfather lives in my house, I am caring for him in his old age, since social security is becoming a joke. ‘living with their parents’ is a socially responsible thing to do, and is the reason your ass was brought into this world in the first place.
#20-21: Yes, we know. That is because marriage is a trap for men now. I hope to see that number drop significantly in the near future as men realize how badly they are getting screwed. Perhaps approaching 0% would force people to reassess legal abominations in place.
#22: wow. after all the rest of the horrid feminist propaganda, misinformation, and misleading artificial equivalencies, you actually come up with one true, legitimate indicator that young men are dealign with shit way beyond their ability to control. A single grain of truth in the sand trap of crap. That does not validate or increase the accuracy of the rest of your feminist slop, but it does explain the marketing techniques you are trying to use to sell it.

Price, I suggest you mark that particular comment as ‘spam’ because it is a direct reproduction of it’s parent article… I suspect it is merely a repost-bot.

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Jay December 19, 2012 at 06:39

“With the latest mass murder, which was apparently tailor-made for a liberal push to abolish the 2nd Amendment, we see the sharks in a feeding frenzy.”

Wanting to live in a culture where assault weapon possession is seen as both negative and ‘liberal’. . .It’s unclear where to even begin about such a mentality.

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Anti Idiocy December 19, 2012 at 06:43

That list posted by info is just more shaming and degrading of males.

“#2 About two-thirds of all students in “special education programs” are boys.”
And if more than two-thirds of the greatest in just about any field are males. The spread in intelligence is far greater than that in females — more geniuses and more intellectually challenged.

“#3 The average American girl spends 5 hours a week playing video games. The average American boy spends 13 hours a week playing video games.”
The author skips reference to related matters (can’t degrade females, you know). How many more hours do girls spend texting and gabbing and gossiping uselessly.

“#12 Pornography addiction is a major problem among our young men.”
Maybe that’s a reasonable alternative to relationships with females in the current environment.

“#13 In the United States today, 47 percent of all high school students have had sex.”
So that’s a problem with boys but not equally with girls?

“#14 The United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate on the entire planet. If our young men behaved differently this would not be happening.”
Don’t mention the equally significant counterpart that if girls behaved differently…

“#15 In the United States today, one out of every four teen girls has at least one sexually transmitted disease. If our young men were not sex-obsessed idiots running around constantly looking to “score” these diseases would not be spreading like this.”
And if girls weren’t sexually obsessed idiots…

“#17 According to one survey, 29 percent of all Americans in the 25 to 34 year old age bracket are still living with their parents.”
Throughout almost all of history, this has been the norm, with children and parents living together under the same roof or very close to each other. Moving away from home somewhere around the age of 20 is an aberration that seems to be passing.

“#20 Today, an all-time low 44.2% of Americans between the ages of 25 and 34 are married.”
Shows men are thinking. Technological changes have changed the environment; marriage is a losing bet for men.

The guy makes a few good points, but his view has been clouded by feminism.

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Charles Martel December 19, 2012 at 07:39

info’s a female troll.

The writing’s on the wall. The establishment is demonizing white males, preppers, gun owners, libertarians.

It’s disturbing how many men, like the so-called police in the picture at the top of this article, are willing to take the King’s shilling to trample on the Constitution.

Here’s an interesting fact. In the Army and Marines combined there are no more than about 70,000 infantry trigger pullers. Bet you didn’t know that.

One more thought. You may hear the police referring to the rest of us as “civilians.” They forget that they’re civilians too. Anyone not subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice is a civilian.

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Donttreadonmatt December 19, 2012 at 07:55

My right to defend myself protects all the other rights… of everyone else. You take my means of protecting myself away, I will demand that I live in a risk-free society. That means forcibly locking up mentally I’ll people. That means no more single mothers, who are more likely to produce criminals – meaning forced contraceptive injections until marriage. Two working parent households should also be banned. Taking away my right to defend myself means warrant less searches, of random people and homes, because, after all, I have nothing to hide. Violent video games and movies should be banned, even if I like them, but I just can’t take the chance without the means to protect myself. Intoxicants of any kind should be banned too, because they can make people more violent and unpredictable – so a third amendment regarding alcohol will have to be added back in to the constitution.

I’m convinced that in dealing with these hysterical people calling for the banning and confiscation of guns, that we use Game and “Agree and Amplify.” Demanding that police give up their weapons is just the start of this tactic. Recognizing that the Second Amendment protects all the others, for everybody, even those who don’t own guns, is best illustrated by demanding other rights be banned in a world where we are defenseless.

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Anonymous age 70 December 19, 2012 at 08:21

Good point, Charles Martel. However, in past years, when I had a police scanner, usually they referred to us as “subjects”.

Hey, info, you forgot #23. Before first grade, the average boy has been kicked in the nuts by a girl, more than once, and if he fights back, he goes to jail or is suspended. If a boy did a similar thing to a girl, he would become a registered sex offender for life.

Even today, with young men screwed up by constant vicious attacks by the wonderful modern American woman, men aren’t as bad as the women say they are. In fact, the average American woman doesn’t even deserve the average American man.

And, women in most non-English speaking nations are well aware of this.

One example I can personally speak to is the same soft spoken, Nice Guy Betas who are so hated in the USA, are H-O-T in rural Mexico. They have more bad boys then they can use.

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Andrew S. December 19, 2012 at 08:35

Sounds like a fair trade-off to me. but feminisim/liberalism are all about the power grab and they would never go for this.

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Andrew S. December 19, 2012 at 08:41

A free, non-police state society, and liberals get to make all the guns laws they want in regards to private citizens? Sounds good to me. Probably not so much to liberals and feminists though.

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Anonymous age 70 December 19, 2012 at 08:46

The problem is women running things. Even after all the massacres, the dearies continue to insist the solution is to disarm all the law abiding citizens.

In the 90′s, I evaluated violent protest, as a major militant activist. I concluded violent protest is a result of impatience. If your cause is correct, just wait and it will become a norm in society with no one getting hurt.

I examined the issues and concluded that one can predict violent acts by a simple thread of thought.

1. Who is angry enough to hurt innocent people?
2. What weapons of death are available?
3. What locations have a lot of defenseless people?

In the 90′s, I also predicted a major nitrogen fertilizer bombing. Fellow workers who knew this after OKC came running to ask what was next. OKC was a case of availability of weapons of death. Let me add, though, that OKC involved two explosions a few seconds apart. The nitrogen could not have done the damage which was done. Nitrogen is a very slow explosion, and force drops as the CUBE of distance.

My next prediction, as requested, was that someone was going to ‘kill’ a school. This was obvious because of the insistence by Mindless Mommies that teachers shall be unarmed “to make the kiddies safer”. So, schools are defenseless, and the mentally ill who will kill little kids find them a prime target. Colleges are only better because of the emotional impact of kids being killed. A death is a death but when kiddies get killed, we all fall apart.

Within a few weeks, that man in Scotland ‘killed’ a school. Since then we have had school massacres all over the world. I think even Russia and China had them. The one place I Know of that has had no such major event is Israel, the teachers must complete military training, and they have M-16s with large magazines in the classroom. If someone attacks a school, there will be a well trained squad of soldiers ready to mow them down.

Yet the Mindless Mommies freak out at the thought of teachers with guns.

My last prediction was in the late 90′s, and I predicted the next big event was going to be a foreign terrorist attack. I was wrong because I assumed it would be a suitcase nuke, not stupid box cutters.

I will probably be banned from Facebook soon. I told one of those Mindless Mommies who insisted teachers should not be armed that though she said she cared a lot about her kids, actually she didn’t, not especially. She cares about FEELING safe, and insulting anyone who disagrees with her on Facebook. If she really cared about her kids, she would demand the men who truly know security make her safe and she will learn to accept it, rather than telling them what they can and cannot do.

One argument is, well, we should put an armed guard in every school. Guards call in sick or quit jobs and it takes time to replace. Or, they are at one end of the school building when the shooter comes in at the other end. Or, affirmative action guards (hint, hint) will refuse to run to gunfire. Dumb idea.

Others insist if we confiscate all guns, of course, the crazies will not get them. On Facebook, my SIL posted an item which indicates more than 50 million people killed BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENTS in the 20th Century, after being disarmed for reasons of public safety.

For those who are mathematically challenged, that means more than one person a minute FOR AN ENTIRE CENTURY killed by their own government after surrendering their firearms for reasons of public safety.

The 26 killed this week were killed every 24 minutes for a century, and I assure you many of them were helpless, innocent children.

First to go in this country, if they disarm us, will be unemployed men ordered to pay child support. But not long after them, they will start on those evil, mentally ill Christians, TEA party members, and conservatives.

Almost all killed will be male, with the majority of them, white males.

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Norm December 19, 2012 at 08:49

Maybe if the USA would stop selling arms to other countries, then the control freaks might have a point about gun control. Chicago at the end of October had a murder rate of 400. Most dangerous city in the world, yet they have strict laws on guns. Not that the gang bangers would follow them anyways.
Stalin, and other dictators from the past and today do not want an armed citizenry.

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keyster December 19, 2012 at 08:59

Note of clarity: Save for a handful of anti-war peaceniks and neo-con isolationists – America was united in it’s revenge for 9/11. If five different intelligence agencies (besides our own), thought Saddam had WMD’s stockpiled somewhere, that was good enough for us at the time. Turns out it was a strategic bluff to keep Iran on her heels. Who’d have thought Middle Eastern leaders would deceive each other? And of course we’ll aways have “Star Wars”.

Almost every mass shooting in the United States since 1950 has occurred in “Gun Free Zones”; in even the Fort Hood “work place violence” slaughter, guns were not permitted. Helpless military personel had to wait for local police to arrive.

Out of six movie theatres nearby in Aurora,CO, the only movie theatre with a “Gun Free” policy was the one James Holmes chose.

250 people, mostly young black males and some innocent children, have died from gun fire in Chicago, by almost all semi-automatic weapons, this year alone (and the year isn’t over). Where’s the outrage?

Chicago, Detroit, DC, Baltimore, Newark, East LA – – some of the strictist gun laws in the nation – – and the highest murder rates by gun.

Unfortunately when our forefathers gave “well armed militias the right to bear arms” to keep tyranny in check, they did not anticipate “Drone Attacks” or that the military might be far superior in technology. They also did not anticipate we might need guns to protect us from marauding bands of inner-city gangs – or our own people. They didn’t anticipate much more beyond the black powder flint lock.

We have NO CHANCE against our governement whether we have have assault rifles or Winchester carbines. Sadly, we’ll need weaponry to protect ourselves from the have-nots among us. Depending on police protection, or even the National Guard is not a good plan.

P.S. – The liberals (and some of the Conservatives) calling for assault weapon and extended magazine bans, have NEVER even shot a gun, let alone an assault rifle. Diane Feinstein said “assault rifles were designed for close quarter combat…” No they weren’t. That’s what handguns were designed for. She doesn’t even know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic actions. There is also little difference between the mechanism of military style assault rifles and semi-automatic hunting rifles. One looks menacing and cool, the other has a wood stock with pearl inlays and pretty designs. These are our leaders making these decisions.

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Wilson December 19, 2012 at 09:02

Just compare the response to Zimmerman shooting to the dozens of shootings of unarmed men by police annually to understand their position. Also note their refusal to arm teachers, which is one measure that has an actual chance of saving schoolkids’ lives. Sacrificing the individual for the strong centralized state is indeed what they desire. Subservience is instinctual in many; in women it is fundamental.

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Jabberwocky December 19, 2012 at 09:08

I’m pro-gun. I don’t like the idea of limiting what type of guns we can own. The right to bear arms is not for hunting, sport, or about protection of private property; it is about fighting off a government when it has become tyrannical and corrupt, and I would argue this is the natural progression of governments, as power always corrupts. For that, you need more than pistols and hunting rifles. Lets also not forget the deterrent of having an armed citizenry to begin with. I like a government that fears the people. Before modern medicine, invented mostly by men btw, children used to die before they reached maturity constantly. How pampered and detached from the harshness of the recent past we’ve become. How many men died in wars and coal mines and no one blinked an eye? Suicide? How about traffic accident fatalities? Even 911 was overblown in significance. In the U.S. alone, over 34,000 people die by suicide every year, 4 to 1 male. How about we talk about that endlessly on the news cycle. A child is precious. But we cannot put them all in a bubble. Life cannot be without risks if freedom is to be maintained. And whats worse; a young boy horrifically murdered by a gun, or a young boy who has his spirit slowly crushed by a system that wants to pathologize his masculinity, strip him of self determination, and psychologically torture him through a media and marriage industrial complex that uses his natural imperatives to enslave him to a life of misery, drudgery and inadequacy. But maybe I’m just having a bad day.

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Ode December 19, 2012 at 09:34

Charles

Here’s an interesting fact. In the Army and Marines combined there are no more than about 70,000 infantry trigger pullers. Bet you didn’t know that.

The USA will collapse not when the people fight an armed conflict with the government. It will end when the money runs out. When these “trigger pullers” stop receiving their paychecks from Uncle Sam they will look for somebody else who will pay them.

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Mickey T December 19, 2012 at 10:05

“…….Obama’s budget also provides an additional $1.6 billion for the Child Care and Development fund as part of the reauthorization of government spending for daycare. The feminists believe that child care should be taken over by the government to overcome society’s expectation that mothers should care for their own babies.”
Phyllis Schlafly Report-Feb 2010.

As we can see, WE ARE PAYING FOR WOMEN TO NEGLECT THEIR CHILDREN. My daughter used to work at a daycare center and she told me that sometimes women would drop of their kids and just go home, or go to the movies, or go out with their boyfriend……The neglect and abuse of the kids, by women who worked there is another matter. When my daughter went to the (female) supervisors to complain of the treatment of the kids by these women, she was promptly escorted to the door.

Guns don’t kill, the culture kills. A culture of out of control children. A culture of child neglect and abuse brought about and driven largely by the feminist philosophy of the fulfillment of women comes before ALL else, including their children, born or unborn. It wasn’t a hard sell because women already have a dark and selfish nature.

After daycare (private or publicly funded)comes the next step in avoiding the responsibility of caring for their children. In order to get the kids out of their hair, mothers basically let their kids participate in what the culture offers today, which is a great deal of violence and disrespect. The “entertainment” is strictly money driven, whatever helps the bottom line is what the kids get without parental interference.

Now the fem/dem/lib/left gets a gift from heaven (HELL). They get a double boost in furthering their agenda. Not only can they use this horrible incident to start taking guns from citizens, but the whole process will distract from the real cause, which is basically female behavior. Do they care that twenty of our small children were shot to pieces? Do care, or even realize, that the citizenry will become more vulnerable to criminal activity if criminals know they are unarmed? (statistics show that personal and violent crime is reduced where the citizenry is armed). Do they care about the Constitution? Hell no!!

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Mickey T December 19, 2012 at 10:23

Do women care how it affects their children when they throw their father out so they can get some other man who will “ring her chimes”

Statistics-

Children from fatherless homes account for:

63% of youth suicides
71% of pregnant teenagers
90% of homeless and runaway children.
70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions
85% of children who exhibit behavioral did orders
80% of rapists motivated wtih dis placed anger
71% of High School dropouts
75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers
85% of all youths sitting in prison

Gotta get rid of those damn guns!

Sources are too numerous to list

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joeb December 19, 2012 at 10:26

Any guy that was in the military Knows , Tactical weapons make little or no difference in urban senario’s . I have a 17 hmr Its just as dangerous as a M16 in the right hands .
With my 223 I can hit a pop can rolling down a river six or seven times before it get out of sight .
The idea you have to kill your enemy is hollywood ,wounding him is the preferred method to remove him from the theater because of cost to the enemy . ( remember guys Its all about cost )
The urguement about differnt qualities of fire arms is lunicy that shitbirds talk . We just unleashed 2 million war torn kids into society . Gun controll ,We wil need more then that if the goverment dosen’t back off .
Obama said , We can’t waste Time trying to find the causes of this violence . That in its self is a pre denial , Most thieves get caught because of there denial before the police ask them the question , Its admittence .

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Sun December 19, 2012 at 10:38

Well, the 2nd Amendment was made during a time where there were only muskets, bayonets, and cannons, sadly the founding fathers were too stupid to fathom that technology does in fact improve when it comes to warfare and technology of war. Despite that most people, especially conservatives, preach the Founding Fathers as if they are divine entities, I think they made *some* good points at best.

That being said, I do believe that Pierce makes a point about an ever creeping “Liberal” police state like the UK where even were guns and knives are banned, the death tally increases (especially in urban diverse areas). Now one can point to a various of different causes or aspects that contribute, but that is besides the point (and would be a lengthy discussion).

The UK is worse then that because it such a political state that any twitter or facebook user could be thrown in jail if they post offending ideas. Understandable if you want a pluralistic society to not split apart. That said, the US isn’t far behind either, as it is heavily pluralistic in various of ways.

But rather then rambling on, I just want to offer my sympathies to the families who lost their children.

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keyster December 19, 2012 at 11:59

Sacrificing the individual for the strong centralized state is indeed what they desire. Subservience is instinctual in many; in women it is fundamental.

Offering up collective solutions for individual problems are the crumbs that lead down the path to Tyranny. “It Takes a Village”

While enslaved to Encorpera there was a woman, Marjorie, who kept making the same mistake several times, costing the company millions. Everyone liked Marjorie as she was always so pleasant and gracious and sweet. No one in management wanted to correct or discipline her in anyway, because that would be insensitive and discriminatory (Marjorie was also a “minority” and protected ), even though she was the only one making the same mistake.

So meetings were held among management and it was determined there was a “process issue”, not a personal flaw in one worker. The solution was that before anyone was to initiate the particular action (ship product), they would first need to get sign-off from Mike. You would have to track down Mike, “sell” him on what you were doing and he would sign a TPS form. Mike suddenly felt VERY important.

One fine day towards the end of the fiscal quarter several of us needed Mike to sign the TPS, he was no where to be found and product needed to be shipped to “make the quarter”. Nothing could be done. The prickly and political Chinese in Singapore wouldn’t ship product that night without Mike’s signature. Millions were lost, customers were angry and several of us were to blame for not being able to find Mike or convince Singapore to just ship. (Mike was hired by the President and wholly insular from blame.)

So more meetings were held; we would revert to the old process, secretly conspiring to monitor Marjorie’s activities closely. Complaining about her was “getting personal” and “not being a team player” for picking up the slack or helping her. My boss was compelled to give me a “Superior” review rather than “Outstanding” because I was one of the ones “involved in that shipping fiasco last quarter”. I would get the raise anyway, but couldn’t tell anyone.

The moral of the story is that we’re all equal and if you single someone out by complaining about them, YOU are the problem – for causing trouble and making management manage. And that collective solutions for individual problems have consequences for the entire Entity.

FYI – Because Trayvon Martian was 17 years old he’s considered “a child killed by gun violence” in our blessed statistical criteria.

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Mickey T December 19, 2012 at 12:06

When I learned that the police were not going to assist me in possible life threatening situations, by sending me cowardly females responders, I had no choice but to arm myself at business and home.

After learning how to shoot a handgun I was hooked for life. I decided to get an FFL (Federal Firearms License) which allowed me to buy guns and ammo at dealer cost for resale. I could never bring myself to put a gun in the hands of any yahoo who walked in the door of my store who had five dollars for a permit and no criminal record. I’ve always thought the background check should be more thorough than just checking for a criminal record. On thing that should be required is that the applicant have no record of certain mental/psychological difficulties. I know some people who are close to me who have a little disability and I don’t think they should be near a firearm.

Also, I don’t see the need for the circulation of assault weapons, they are designed for one thing which is assaulting humans. I don’t think the media should almost glorify guns when they are used to kill people, especially multiple killings. They describe the guns and calibers etc. Why did they have to tell the world that Lanza used Glock and a Sig Sauer semi automatic hand guns etc. Young and impressionable minds don’t really understand the entire impact of what these guns actually do to people. Some think that these are “bad ass guns” that do a lot of damage which makes them desirable.. The media carries some blame on this.

BTW, since I wasn’t selling guns to the public, the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) took my license away. It didn’t bother me because, at that time, I thought I had enough guns for one life.

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Bill Hodgkins December 19, 2012 at 12:31

I think that the ” statistics” that Info listed says a lot more about how bad our polling companies are, than about how bad our youth are. For example:
#16 Right now, approximately 53 percent of all Americans in the 18 to 24 year old age bracket are living at home with their parents.
#17 According to one survey, 29 percent of all Americans in the 25 to 34 year old age bracket are still living with their parents.
With statistics like this passing as facts, who needs lies!

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Uncle Elmer December 19, 2012 at 12:34

How about curbing the wholesale prescription of anti-depressants for any idiosyncratic young male.

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Charles Martel December 19, 2012 at 12:48

Ode
The USA will collapse not when the people fight an armed conflict with the government.

I didn’t suggest that and nor would I. The very idea is insane. However, I find it interesting that the USA really can’t muster enough boots on the ground to effectively pacify a couple of small third world countries. So just imagine, hypothetically speaking, how difficult it would be for the military to police some hypothetical first world country with tens of millions of armed citizens. I imagine that this kind of thought experiment is why there’s such paranoia in government about libertarians, etc. It’s a supreme irony that the US government appears to be paranoid about the very people who were responsible for founding this country.

I’d like to add that I cried for the dead Newtown children and their parents and utterly condemn the evil young man responsible for this atrocity.

It’s despicable that this tragedy is just political business as usual for Washington DC. “Never let a good crisis go to waste”…..Rahm Emanuel

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oddsock December 19, 2012 at 12:55

Ooooh ! Charles Martel

“utterly condemn the evil young man responsible for this atrocity”

I think you will get some flak for that ?

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Tom936 December 19, 2012 at 13:58

Among the things that info December 18, 2012 at 22:55 blames young men for:

All sexual activity:

#13 In the United States today, 47 percent of all high school students have had sex.

Girls not using birth control:

#14 The United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate on the entire planet. If our young men behaved differently this would not be happening.

How many young men does it take to get 100 girls pregnant? Just one.

All failure to use protection:

#15 In the United States today, one out of every four teen girls has at least one sexually transmitted disease. If our young men were not sex-obsessed idiots running around constantly looking to score these diseases would not be spreading like this.

Looks like we got a white knight here.

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info December 19, 2012 at 14:04

I don’t agree with how that list was phrased, I just wanted to show that this was posted on the Infowars website soon after the shooting (and that is not a PC website at all, and even though it’s just another “peter pan” article, it still puts the focus on young men. It was one of the most commented articles. You’ll see that plenty of the folks are defending the boys in the comments.

http://www.infowars.com/22-stats-that-prove-that-there-is-something-seriously-wrong-with-young-men-in-america/

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info December 19, 2012 at 14:07

P.s. Boys don’t exist in a vacuum, they change along with the culture.

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Pirran December 19, 2012 at 14:07

@Charles Martel

“So just imagine, hypothetically speaking, how difficult it would be for the military to police some hypothetical first world country with tens of millions of armed citizens.”

This was always the theory behind Switzerland’s armed neutrality. France and Germany (in both World Wars) considered invading (both for strategic reasons and plunder), but thought better of it when they considered the reality of taking on half a million well armed and highly trained militia men with more in reserve who could be mobilised in a couple of days and deployed throughout carefully constructed mountain bases. Today, they could muster many more if needed.

The people always have more power than they think.

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Mickey T December 19, 2012 at 14:40

“…….evil young man responsible for this atrocity.”

From all the information I’ve seen so far it leans more to a sick person who may have been turned into monster with the help of a selfish and thoughtless woman. That’s so far.

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Lyn87 December 19, 2012 at 14:46

Mickey T December 19, 2012 at 12:06

Mike, you went to the trouble and expense of getting an FFL and yet you could write this:

I don’t see the need for the circulation of assault weapons, they are designed for one thing which is assaulting humans.

?

Dude, are you sure you didn’t lose you FFL for failing to know firearms basics? If there were any “assault weapons” at the scene they were in the hands of the cops.

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brigadon December 19, 2012 at 15:08

switzers have been a pain in the ass to france and germany for centuries. With those mountains, you could hold off a well-armed army with a bag of rocks. No tanks could get in (holding off rommell) and the french have never had the manpower to waste trying to take the country.

Switzerland’s neutrality was as much a feature of their terrain as it was any sort of government militia programs.

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NWOslave December 19, 2012 at 15:17

Most of the article is pretty good, but 9/11 was clearly a false flag operation designed to legitimize multiple invasions of the middle east and the never ending war on terrorism. The number of deaths due to terrorists in the US pre and post 9/11 is zero. I’d do a little research on 9/11 stats if I were you. Just another Lusitania or bay of tonkin. I wonder what the excuse for WWIII will be?

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Charles Martel December 19, 2012 at 15:17

MickeyT
From all the information I’ve seen so far it leans more to a sick person who may have been turned into monster with the help of a selfish and thoughtless woman. That’s so far.

Have you looked at the pictures of the murdered children? All I could think of was the faces of my own children at the same age. I will not make any excuses for that sick fuck. It’s clear to me that Adam Lanza’s cowardly plan was suicide with a side order of atrocity to bolster his resolve.

If it was somehow possible to change the past I would butcher every member of Adam Lanza’s family with a machete if it would save the lives of those children.

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dragnet December 19, 2012 at 15:41

slightly off-topic:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335996/newtown-answers-nro-symposium

charlotte allen thinks some humans should be bullet fodder for other humans because they have penises.

getting rid of traditional genders roles was all fine and good—until the shots are fired.

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joeb December 19, 2012 at 16:00

The more you look the more queer this thing looks, All three weapons were legally purchased and registered to the mother of the offender.
A kindergarten teacher at sandy hook ,I wonder what her choice in undergarment where . Not V,S Im sure .

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Mickey T December 19, 2012 at 16:18

Charles,

Let’s not get into a who feels worse.

My point is, let’s DO SOMETHING meaningful and not politically driven to reduce incidents like this. Not just utter useless words to vent.

You can find more info on this in the Gay/lesbian marriage discussion.

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geographybeefinalisthimself December 19, 2012 at 16:32

@ everyone

Info is right.

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geographybeefinalisthimself December 19, 2012 at 16:33

Info is right about commenters rushing to males’ defense in that article.

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Mickey T December 19, 2012 at 16:34

It’s reported that the President said today, “now [Newtown] there is no reason to not do gun control” And he appointed Joe Biden to form a committee to do a study etc on gun control.

Off topic-
The still ailing Sec’y of State, Hillary Clinton, could not appear at the Benghazi murders hearing. It seems, according to her spokeswoman, “she has a stomach virus, an ugly stomach virus, she is dehydrated, she fainted”

That’s on top of the concussion she is recuperating from, when she fell last week. Sort of a Bebghazi Hearing Syndrome.

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Mickey T December 19, 2012 at 16:39

Lyn87, dude, sir,

Maybe it would help if you refresh my memory on “firearms basics” .

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Mickey T December 19, 2012 at 16:54

Lyn87, dude, sir,
Or maybe I should rephrase,
I don’t see the need for the circulation of assault weapons among citizens.
Is that OK? I hope I didn’t get you upset.

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Attila December 19, 2012 at 17:09

It’s The Culture stupid!

I am glad I grew up in a basically sane traditional nuclear family and glad I don’t have any children (in this society). I can’t think of anyone in my social circle who might have been hatched in this nihilistic PC-Culture of Death Petri Dish, luckily.

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Attila December 19, 2012 at 17:16

PS – I did notice that most of the photographs were of the female victims of the massacre – and the only one I saw of a boy was the one showing the young Jewish boy.

Affirmative Action even in Death, it seems.

When I mentioned this on a chat board in a major publication -the hate didn’t take long to show its reptilian female head.

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Jimbo December 19, 2012 at 17:27

@Jabborwocky
“And whats worse; a young boy horrifically murdered by a gun, or a young boy who has his spirit slowly crushed by a system that wants to pathologize his masculinity, strip him of self determination, and psychologically torture him through a media and marriage industrial complex that uses his natural imperatives to enslave him to a life of misery, drudgery and inadequacy. But maybe I’m just having a bad day.” No, you’re not just having a bad day and you’re thumb shouldn’t be sore because you just hit the nail on the head. Which crime is worse? It makes me think of the Kansas City Chiefs player that finally snapped after his “girlfriend” was extorting him by threatening to kidnap his daughter and take all of his money if he didn’t do as he was told… What is worse, being threatened, being extorted, living in fear, living in anger, being robbed, having your child stolen, being destroyed, or offing the person doing it to you? I would say that more women should get the message she got, not less. And I wish someone in the press would point out that she got what she deserved.

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Lyn87 December 19, 2012 at 17:32

Mike,

Happy to oblige. None of the weapons the killer used was an “assault weapon.” The only people who would have possessed actual “assault weapons” would have been the cops who showed up to mop up the carnage, because they’re… special… or super-duper-well-trained… or extra-trustworthy… or something.

And even if one the weapons used in the crime had been an eeeeeeeeevil “assault weapon” your point would still be invalid. The firearms you are referring to as “assault weapons” have pretty much the same uses as other firearms. It is completely inaccurate to say
… assault weapons, they are designed for one thing which is assaulting humans.
I have the kind of semi-automatic carbine that you and Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden might incorrectly identify as an “assault weapon” about 20 feet from where I’m sitting right now. It is not there because it is particularly useful for assaulting somebody, nor do I intend to use it for that.

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Mickey T December 19, 2012 at 17:43

I wasn’t going to say some things, but there are a couple remarks here that I can’t let go.
Not that it makes much difference, but I grew up not too far from Newtown. To me it seems like a familiar connection.(for lack of better words) After I heard the news, I couldn’t function for two days. I didn’t leave the house. I kept having the vision of the kids with their crayons an coloring books just before the incident. . Girls singing, boys being little wise asses…….I kept having the visions of what the shooting did to their little bodies as I’ve been shooting for a long time and I know the damage those calibers can do. I think how the parents are going to feel when the initial shock wears off. “To bear with unbearable sorrow” that’s whats in store for some ………………..
I remember when I was in first grade when the adults were so much smarter…………….. I don’t remember when I last felt so much like kicking ass. Feminists, women, government, media, big business and intelligent, capable and stagnent men. That’s about my best shot at not letting those remarks go. I apologize.

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Pops December 19, 2012 at 17:45

Guns aren’t the problem. The real problem is addressed below:

http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2012/12/a-feminized-culture-is-a-violent-culture/

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Szebran December 19, 2012 at 18:11

Did anyone read the article posted by “info” on 22 stats that prove that there is something seriously wrong with young men?
The original article is here
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/22-stats-that-prove-that-there-is-something-seriously-wrong-with-young-men-in-america

There were over 200 comments and most of them put the blame squarely on feminism. The women who tried to defend feminism were brushed aside! I also added that stat#14 was female chauvinist. It takes 2 to tango.

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ahamkara December 19, 2012 at 18:16

Here’s a gem.

http://www.alternet.org/gender/what-it-about-men-theyre-committing-these-horrible-massacres

I used to take this kind of stuff personally, nowadays I just laugh.

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Norm December 19, 2012 at 18:36

In the 1hr 58 min of the Dark Knight Rises, the name of Sandy Hook(an island part of Gotham City) is mentioned. Read the rest of this article. Quite interesting to say the least.
http://www.robertscottbell.com/marquee/sandy-hook-dark-knight-rises-aurora-skullbones-by-jon-rappoport/

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Richard December 19, 2012 at 19:32

Q: What is wrong with American men these days?

A: They live around American women.

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Troll King December 19, 2012 at 20:00

It looks like Adam Lanzas mom was not only awarded custody and child support but also more than 200k per year in alimony. While sources claim that the divorce was not contentious and both parties were respectable it does make me wonder.

Apparently the father was paying more than half of what he made in alimony and child support.

http://www.lohud.com/article/20121217/NEWS/312170094/Nancy-Adam-Lanza-financially-comfortable-after-her-divorce-289k-alimony

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TFH December 19, 2012 at 20:12

Dragnet,

I don’t think she is telling men to ‘man up and sacrifice themselves’ as so many women do.

She is actually point out that schools that have purged all men out of the environment, due to misandry, are paying the price. That men, due to their very nature, would not let this happen.

Charlotte Allen wrote a pro-Game article in the Weekly Standard after all. She isn’t telling men to do anything, she is rather pointing out the folly of creating male-free zones.

But yes, there are plenty of other women who do in fact demand that men do what you described.

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TFH December 19, 2012 at 20:20

Anon age 70,

The problem is women running things. Even after all the massacres, the dearies continue to insist the solution is to disarm all the law abiding citizens.

Well, women don’t understand cause and effect very well.

I notice that in a society where women are in the 3rd/4th generation of voting, more and more of the laws seem to be saturated with a near-pathological denial of basic cause-effect awareness.

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TFH December 19, 2012 at 20:29

But I most certainly did not like the statement by Charlotte Allen where she said that the ‘huskier’ 11 and 12 year old boys should have crowded the killer to save adult women.

Plus, that was a K-4 school. The oldest kids there are probably just 9 or 10.

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numnut December 19, 2012 at 20:36

Mickey T said;
“young and impressionable minds don’t really understand the entire impact of what these guns actually do to people.”

It must have been one of those self-firing guns,since you blame the gun and not the man behind it.

There was only one assault weapon in the school that day, and it was the MIND of the man behind the trigger.

Same day,or one before, a man in China killed 22 with a knife.

So Mickey, you should be ready to ban knives,automobiles,doctors,hospitals,
bathtubs and motorcycles.

If you bothered to read the article itself you may have an idea that the only persons on the scene with genuine automatic assault weapons where the police.

Since you claim to carry a weapon, I assume you’ve found one that does not fire on its own.

Perhaps you should enlighten us on the make and model of these ultrasafe weapons.

Disenguineness is a form of ‘mild disability,’by your own criteria you should not have any firearms either.

Nor access to a keyboard.

“These guns” do nothing by themselves.
They don’t lie to people to advance an agenda either.

An agenda that would make it more dangerous for responsible citizens everywhere.

More crimes are stopped by armed citizens than by police.(your god)

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3DShooter December 19, 2012 at 20:54

@Welmer

“So fine. Take our guns. But give yours up, too.”

I don’t disagree with you often, but this won’t be happening. This, like feminism, is about power. One side want’s the other to give while they take and give nothing in return. Here in fly-over country our firearms will come pointy-end first – I guarantee it.

I read an article earlier today that tried do tie these acts of random violence to the MRM. An article I read today takes a swipe at the MRM towards the end in a tangential way: http://www.alternet.org/gender/what-it-about-men-theyre-committing-these-horrible-massacres

@Keyster

“If five different intelligence agencies (besides our own), thought Saddam had WMD’s stockpiled somewhere, that was good enough for us at the time.”

You demonstrate why AVFM will never succeed – you, and those like you, are willing to defer to nebulous unsubstantiated ‘authorities’ when forming your opinions. You are willing to defer to those who make intellectual arguments which appeal to your sense of ‘who’ should have authority. When I thought E-lame actually embraced the spirit of libertarianism I was willing to tolerate neo-con’s like you, but you’ve both shown your true colors – different master, same BS. AV4M is about building a name and market share for E-lame, nothing more. At least Price allows a greater freedom of expression that elevates it far above AV4M. When you grow up – E-lame is lost as he’s my age – you will allow all voices to be heard – even when you don’t like what they say.

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Lyn87 December 19, 2012 at 20:57

Mike,

I don’t see the need for the circulation of assault weapons among citizens.
Is that OK? I hope I didn’t get you upset.

No, you did not get me upset. You’re still wrong, but you did not get me upset. I posted my response to you timestamped at 1732 before it appeared (and before your post marked 1654), or you would have been able to see that I reject your characterization of common weapons of moderate power that have been around for more than a century as “assault weapons.”

And in any case I DO see the need for the circulation of those kinds of weapons among citizens. Not only those, but actual assault weapons. That is because in the U.S. we are citizens. I do not live in the U.K. or Canada where I would not be a citizen, but rather a subject of the crown.

As a male citizen of the United States I am automatically a member of the “well regulated militia” addressed in the Second Amendment. No civilian police officer should be better armed than I am allowed to be (quite the contrary), and no civilian police chief should have ANY say in how I, as a member of the standing militia, choose to keep or bear my arms.

The right to bear military arms is a natural right of a citizen and is normally irrevocable – the privilege of bearing any arms while on duty is delegated to civilian police forces and subject to any restrictions we citizens elect to place upon that privilege.

Citizen or subject? There is a world of difference. If the sheeple of Europe and Asia wish to be subjects of their governments, they may do so. Hells bells: they have done so, and reaped the bloody results of that time and time again.

I’ll pass.

We have bigger fish to fry than yet another round of counterproductive measures – aimed mostly at men – to strengthen government at the expense of the citizenry.

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greyghost December 19, 2012 at 21:33

Troll King
I read the article about the alimony, God damn.

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V10 December 19, 2012 at 22:04

“If they take our guns, they should give up theirs, too.”

But then the police won’t have any weapons to respond to armed criminals who have managed to get guns anyway and… Whoa, better cut off that line of thought. I might start thinking critically.

@Pirran: “This was always the theory behind Switzerland’s armed neutrality…”

Several times I’ve heard arguments that since the military has tanks and aircraft and so forth, any kind of citizen rebellion would be squished like bugs anyway, so any notion that the 2nd Amendment has value as a deterrent to tyranny is a joke (and is therefore obsolete and should struck down).

If that’s so, why does the American military seem to have such a frustrating time dealing with peasant armies abroad? Why are illiterate goatherds in Afghanistan still inflicting serious loss of life and material after 10 years to the space-age global superpower?

The victory conditions don’t require you to conquer the occupying enemy’s territory in response. As long as you make it too costly in lives and treasure for them to stay, you win.

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katmandutu December 19, 2012 at 22:20

“Same day, or one before, a man in China killed 22 with a knife.”
No, that’s incorrect , numnut. None of the children died in that attack.

However, had the attacker used a Bushmaster AR- 15 as did Adam Lanza, you can bet your bottom dollar that those kids would certainly have perished.

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JFinn December 19, 2012 at 22:21

@ Info

Your male-hating propaganda is transparent. Why are male activities “addictions” while female activities aren’t? It’s clear that your bigoted view of being a “real man” is being a slave. Thankfully, people like you are dying off. Your cowardice to not protect men will of course ensure that you’ll die off far sooner than your female counterparts. Good job.

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a guy December 19, 2012 at 22:27

A couple of things here:

1) Mr. Price, I thought this was good article overall, but you damn near screwed it up right off the bat by bringing up politically charged opinion that has nothing to do with the subject of the article. A good argument can be made that the Iraq War was more than justified in the context of 9/11 (and unfortunately Bush’s inarticulate self failed to even attempt to do this for the American people). I’m not going to do that here, as it would go on forever and that is not the subject of the article. My point is that bringing up such a charged subject and injecting your opinion on the subject immediately takes away from the actual subject of the article, and the subsequent discussion.

2) Any of you, especially you European guys, who thinks that the Founding Fathers of he USA would not have included rocket launchers and tanks in the 2nd Amendment do not have the SLIGHTEST clue what the American experiment was all about (and I say “was” because it is all but over now). The SOLE purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to ensure that the people always had the means to overthrow their government BY FORCE if they needed to. It’s not about hunting, sport shooting , or keeping antique flintlock collections. It’ s about guaranteeing FREEDOM. And you can’t have freedom for very long if the only people who have weapons of war are the government stormtroopers herding you into the cattle cars.

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Jimbo December 19, 2012 at 22:44

@Keyster and anti Keysters
For what it is worth, I think you’re and awesome writer like a lot of other guys on this site (I’ve never gotten good at it myself, but I try) and I agree with you on your many insightful viewpoints, but, as a fan, I do not understand your support of the republican party. I can well understand preferring it to the democratic party, but the party still sucks. Bush one gave us Clinton because he sucked and Bush two gave us Obama because he sucked. They haven’t done shit to close the boarder, they haven’t done shit to balance the budget, they haven’t done shit to stave off economic calamity, they haven’t done shit for men’s rights, sometimes they pick a good supreme, sometimes they pick an idiot, they can’t even begin to relate to ninety five percent of the population and things they say they are going to do, they don’t do. And when it came to listening to Donald Rumsfeld, none of us civilians new if he new what he was talking about or not, but millions of us suspected he was full of shit, because our bullshit detectors were going off like never before. So, when he turned out to be 100 percent full of shit, it was no surprise. Fact is, he and Bush did more damage to us than Saddam did and the damage isn’t done yet.

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Charles Martel December 19, 2012 at 23:31

Norm
In the 1hr 58 min of the Dark Knight Rises, the name of Sandy Hook(an island part of Gotham City) is mentioned. Read the rest of this article. Quite interesting to say the least.

Not interesting at all. Sandy Hook is a prominent geographical feature in northern New Jersey with an interesting name. The Dark Knight Rises speculation is just silly cargo cult pattern fitting. I’m highly skeptical of any information that comes from the government or MSM and I see nothing in the Newtown tragedy to suggest it’s anything other than the work of one depraved, unempathetic young man.

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Mickey T December 19, 2012 at 23:37

lin,
Do you know what a CZ hi capacity, full size 9mm in satin nickel is?
Gorgeous, isn’t it? You know what I did? I made a custom grip for id American Elm from a tree from my own property. Nice eh? I sold it.
Do yo what a Berretta hi capacity semi compact 9mm in stainless steel is? Nice eh? I sold that too.

You must be a fairly young man who is angry and frustrated. Being in that state almost always affects one’s vision and judgment and that’s never good. At the moment, I don’t know where to begin with you. You don’t understand today’s kids, you don’t understand politics, you don’t seem to understand what feminism has done to our culture (particularly the young) and you don’t understand me. I’ll try to get back to you on the things you’ve mentioned to me, but right now I’d to ask you a question. How long have you been opposing the likes of Biden, Pelosi, and actually did something about it.You forgot to Fienstien who at least sponsored the max capacity legislation back in the 90s. You know when she did that, I went out and bought as many hi-cap mags as I could, figured I’d make some money……….

Do you what a Taurus NINE shot .357 magnum in polished stainless steel, with a full lug 71/2 inch barrel is? You know, I made an American Elm custom grip for that too. beautiful gun. 357 is? That’ll be gone soon. My choice of caliber .357.. Did I tell you about my .357 laser engraved satin nickel S+W 4″ bbl full lug with my initials……………..not many people want a gun with my initials, so I didn’t sell it yet. But I will, when I find someone who has the same initials as me.

If you have time, read some of what I wrote about Newtown in the gay/lesbian discussion. You are not getting it.

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jay December 19, 2012 at 23:58

A gun ban only leads to firearms in criminals hand which the black market provides in response to demand. And it leaves us helpless to a tyrannical government. Historically mass killings occurred in Armenia and other communist nations after disarmament. Plus a gun the only method to kill a whole bunch of people bombs can be just as effective.

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jay December 20, 2012 at 00:31

The shooter was on psychotropic drugs why don’t we ban those?

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jay December 20, 2012 at 00:42

@Pops

Yet radical feminists instead of proposing the solution of patriarchy would think why not eliminate men all together since the violence is perpetrated by males? If you have seen the agent orange files on AVFM.

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evilwhitemalempire December 20, 2012 at 01:20

just found out that the boy’s mom knew he was a complete psycho but kept it under wraps in order to collect child support money

$350,000 a year from the husband

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UFgmHr2UtQ

anyone care to elaborate?

marvelous opportunity to turn this whole thing around on them

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continent December 20, 2012 at 01:47

While the Vietnam War was going on there were speculations that some wanted US out of Southeast Asia so it could concentrate on middle-east to destroy the potential threats to 51st State. Bush Sr crippled Iraq by invading it to destroy the WMD. There were none but they justified the action. Bush Jr wanted to make Iraq a puppet state so he destroyed what was left of it and hanged Saddam Hussein
Now provocations are created in region other countries, except our ally Saudi Arabia where we build undergoing air facilities about 30 years ago.There is no longer militate draft so jobles young men can be sent to “meat grinder” since they volunteered.
Photos of police armed like soldiers creates the illusion that they are fainting 24/7 like soldiers. but they serve 20 years and get generous pension
Your quote.Republicans steamrolled Iraq despite the big lies their invasion depended on for support”
“I expect they’ll have their way, just like the neocon whensome Saudi

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Anonymous December 20, 2012 at 02:15

In China on the same day, there was a similar massacre in a school that killed around the same number of kids. The difference was that the Chinese killer used a knife instead of a gun.

The British discovered that gun control doesn’t work. Gun crime went up 40% after Britain banned guns because victims were disarmed and criminals, being criminals, broke the law like criminals do.

The good news about this is that the Democrats are going to overreach. They’re already going to be in trouble because Boehner and the Republicans are about to pass a bill repealing the Obama Tax Increase for everybody except millionaires and Obama refuses to support Boehner’s bill (and the Do-Nothing Senate won’t pass it). By also pushing gun control, the Democrats will step in it and create another Republican wave election.

From what I’ve read about the case, Ms. Lanza was a survivalist kook who was “protective” of him (wouldn’t let him leave the house at all). Shortly before the shooting, she apparently was trying to send him to a mental hospital because she wouldn’t let him be independent and got tired of having him around. Neither of them had contact with the shooter’s brother or father for years. Ms. Lanza apparently never let anybody in her house and insisted on stepping outside whenever the neighbors came over. The reason he targeted the school was because she was apparently a volunteer at the school and he felt she cared more about the kids at the school than she cared about him (probably true). The “disorder” he had isn’t a “mental illness” at all by the way. Its the name they use for a “nerd” nowadays because schools can make more money by inventing fake “disabilities” so they can stick more kids in special education. While what he did was reprehensible, one can understand why he did it because the evidence strongly implies that his mother was abusing him and because she had him trained in how to use a gun and left a gun lying around while she went on a vacation, he apparently decided to get revenge on her the only way he could think of.

Everybody wants to stop these mass shootings and we didn’t have them until a few decades ago. If we want to stop them, we need to address misandry. People who are optimistic about their future don’t go on shooting sprees, so the way to stop shootings is to address the discrimination against boys in the education system. It also makes sense to repeal the “gun-free zone” law since these kind of shootings only occur in “gun-free zones” and not in areas where somebody might be armed. The Batman killer had the choice of a number of theaters in Aurora to choose from. He did not choose the theater closest to his home or the largest one (about the same distance as the one he chose). He chose the one theater where there was a sign prohibiting guns in the theater. We can see that the gun control advocates are a bunch of hypocrites since they won’t put a “gun-free home” sign up outside their homes. They know that such a sign is nothing more than an invitation to criminals to commit robberies.

If the leftists succeed in banning guns and somehow prevent criminals from acquiring guns anyway, criminals will just use knives instead and they’ll still be able to go on killing sprees. Until the War on Boys in our school system ends and the right to self-defense is restored everywhere, massacres will continue to be a regular occurrence in this society.

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bruno December 20, 2012 at 02:35

The anti-freedom and anti-gun lobby is throwing sand in everybody’s eyes, by saying nobody needs an automatic rifle with a big ammo clip to defend themselves against criminals.

The US constitution gives the citizens the right to own guns, not as protection against other civilians, but as protection against … government.

That’s why the government will always try to abolish this right, again and again, untill it will succeed.

Why wouldn’t it try to disarm it’s victims?

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bruno December 20, 2012 at 02:39

Owning an AR-15 is not “overkill” at all.
That’s just a child’s toy compared to what the government has.

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bruno December 20, 2012 at 02:51

If the constitution should be “modernised”, to stay in the original spirit of it, then the right to own firearms should be expanded into the right to own heavy explosives, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, to counterbalance the modern weapons of modern government.

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Troll King December 20, 2012 at 02:58

If you look around you’ll see that feminists are coming out of the woodwork and ramping up their claims of not only gun control but also how masculinity is a central part of spree shooting. It’s sadly ironic because their nonstop onslaught against masculinity and their pathologizing of maleness plays a central role in developing boys like Adam Lanza.

We have a system, largely created by feminists but also socons, that demonizes and punishes young boys and men. Most of those boys will blame themselves due to the narratives, and most likely biological origins, that say that they are the ones who are at fault for their problems. Men, unlike women, mostly take responsibility for their faults, even when they don’t originate with them, and blame themselves. This is why suicide, and other self-harming activities, are overly represented in men. They put the blame on themselves and kill themselves.

Some, however, put the blame on others, often these are men in the 90%+ category, and take out their rage and pain on the groups or social institutions they percieve, rightly or wrongly, as being the source of their problems. If you blame a external force then you will target that force. If you blame yourself, then you will target yourself.

I won’t get into talking about the feminization of schools and the rampant misandry, I think we all have a good idea about that. I do want to point out a few things though.

From what I understand spree shooters, while not all male(mainly due to how women kill and how spree shooters are defined), have morphed from middle aged men going “postal” in their workplaces during the 70s and 80s into young boys shooting up schools during the 90s on. Why is this?

Well, as part of Gen Y we were force fed a daily dose of how we would be worthless without education. Even every pet issue, like drugs or sex or gangs or whatever, was constantly talked about in terms of more and more education as a remedy. We were constantly told we were worthless if we weren’t educated in x or y manner. We were told that college and degrees were the keys to happiness and fulfillment. During the same transition the words blue collar went from being a respectable male oriented status position to being a derogatory term used by those with higher status. So the workplace went from being the status based social institution that was targeted by alienated men to the school system as a status based social insitution that represented what alienated boys either were rejected by or saw as the enemy.

At the same time this tragedy happened a man in China went into a school with a knife and cut up a bunch of children. I have heard that this is a huge problem in China and I think it is due to the same reasons here. In China children are seen as a status symbol, if you have more than one kid you could be said to have made it. China also has a surplus of young men, who exist in a rapidly industralizing economy, who have absolutely no hope of having children or finding wives. What I wonder with respect to this tragedy is why he targeted a elementary school? Was it because he was targeting education or perhaps because he say children as a status symbol? We may never know.

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Troll King December 20, 2012 at 03:07

Here are a few links:

http://www.alternet.org/gender/what-it-about-men-theyre-committing-these-horrible-massacres?paging=off

http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2012/12/17/why-wont-we-talk-about-violence-and-masculinity-in-america/

There are a few others out there, I think was was at slate and I am sure jizzabel has something.

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oddsock December 20, 2012 at 03:38

Outstanding Video

Stop Blaming Mass Murder On Masculinity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh90TM1ThQs

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Peter South December 20, 2012 at 04:57

@Sun
“Well, the 2nd Amendment was made during a time where there were only muskets, bayonets, and cannons, sadly the founding fathers were too stupid to fathom that technology does in fact improve when it comes to warfare and technology of war”

No, it was intended that the citizens have the same weapons as the soldiers.

The purpose of the second amendment is for people to fight back against government tyranny, not duck hunting and other nonsense.

A musket would not do the job against guys with M4s and body armor.

If anything we are woefully undergunned.

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Anti Idiocy December 20, 2012 at 06:12

” just imagine, hypothetically speaking, how difficult it would be for the military to police some hypothetical first world country with tens of millions of armed citizens.”

Well, the citizens being armed would help mitigate or somewhat restrict the actions of the government, but being technologically advanced will help the government keep track of citizens and monitor their actions. Eric Peters is a libertarian, who focusses on how the government’s increasingly totalitarian bent shows up in the auto industry. I’m not much of a gear head, but I find his perspective fascinating, especially since he’s a fine writer.
http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/12/18/kyle-reese-and-reinhard-heydrich/
Could make drone strikes much more accurate. (I’m being just a little sarcastic there.)

Also, take a look at this:
http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/12/09/obama-gives-ok-for-black-box-data-recorders-to-be-installed-in-all-cars/
My guess is this technology will quickly come to be used for increasingly sinister purposes by the government.

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Towgunner December 20, 2012 at 06:58

Bad stats on boys and males??? Alarming, yes. Disturbing, yes. Infuriating, yes.

However, what do you expect? The roots of this are not that difficult to explain. Young children of any sex are extremely vulnerable and impressionable, just look at the hitler youth for an example. Enter in state policies based on some whinny contention that just women are perpetual victims at the hands of some mythical globally connected phallic conspiracy and viola – mandated proportionality in higher education, which started in the 1970s – among many other things. Since then education from head to toe has gone through radical change just to benefit females. Shoot, they’ve even cancelled recess. It’s one thing if nothing had changed in our schools and all of a sudden girls started to outperform boys by these margins but that’s simply not the case. girls are not better than boys, matter of fact, if they have to take such extreme measures to include medicating young boys and re-writing history in order to create an illusion of girl accession then it stands that it’s the girls that need extra help and, therefore, are actually inferior. Yes, this is diabolical and evil. The hypocrisy alone is overwhelming; when “they” wrote about the “girls crisis” in the early 1990s they talked about the injustice of denying a girl’s birth right to a career, education etc. Okay, who can argue against that, excluding the fact that the girls crisis never existed, but what are we suppose to do when the very policies used to “correct” these issues end up damaging boys in the very same way as it was said for the girls? Worse, what does it say about our society and “values” when we celebrate this accession, which must also simultaneously celebrate the deliberate damaging of boys? Ask yourself who has the moral high ground today, these policies are not only blatantly sexist but are very obviously causing damage, life-long, damage to children…children! And why…well, in my opinion, it’s satanic, because its rooted in jealousy and envy that women have to men.
I know this is bad, you know this is bad, but this is why the MRM exists. At some point we have to get out of the virtual world and start turning this evil tide around. I’m confident, because when things are truly equalize, when the proverbial “playing field” is leveled males do exceptionally well and, on top of that, need very little help. And what have we seen when we gave women “their chance?”, eh…it’s quite obvious to me now that they used every opportunity not to really improve themselves but to undermine men, specifically, boys.

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Doc December 20, 2012 at 08:12

If any of the teachers killed had been carrying – like the 2nd Amendment constitutional grants them the right to do, and liberals have restricted – no children would have been killed. The price of gun control, is dead children – it is that simple…

Can we afford NOT to have concealed carry permits recognized throughout the 50 states? How many more children must die, before law abiding citizens can protect themselves, and the children in their care???!!!

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keyster December 20, 2012 at 09:05

When I thought E-lame actually embraced the spirit of libertarianism I was willing to tolerate neo-con’s like you, but you’ve both shown your true colors – different master, same BS.

You’ve made your point more than a few times here. You hate Elam and AVfM. I get it. I’m not directly associated with AVfM and have not spoken to Elam in over a year, although I support him and his teams heroic efforts…just like I support any other sane and reasonable response to misandry and bigotry.

The majority of commentors and supporters at AVfM are politically Liberal men and women, many from Canada and OZ. If I so much as hint at conservative opinion or philosophy – I get ganged up on by the MRA “Humanists” right quick, trust me.

Their position is that among all the identifiable victim groups – men are actually an aggrieved victim group too, if only the other groups would recognize this. I don’t agree with this approach, but it certianly highlights the HYPOCRISY of the Left, which I relish. And they are making inroads up in the Great White North.

I don’t parse the Manosphere into winners and losers. ANY EFFORT that isn’t bitterly and blatantly misogynist and/or violent – is at least some effort. Fracturing over politics, race or religion is foolish because there’s barely enough critical mass to fracture to begin with.

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orecret December 20, 2012 at 09:46

Do we as a society really want to stop the violence? The workplace and schoolyard killings?

We need to restore the social contract. That between the government and the people. That between elites and the masses… and, that between men and women most of all.

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Mickey T December 20, 2012 at 10:39

numnut

Firstly, if you read my comments, you would see that I said, more than once, guns don kill, the culture kills. I’ve been saying that, probably for more years than you’ve born., so I don’t need your schooling. You guys didn’t invent the concept.

Do you realize that more than half the kids today do not have a father in the house? These kids are exposed to a violent culture and assault weapons are frequently shown killing people, it’s “cool”. What you didn’t factor is that so many young people are un-parented or mis-parented. That means their minds are usually unstable etc, etc. and they are impressionable while this culture of glorifying violence. I grew up in a home with my father basically absent and my mother lost control of me when I was about 15 years old. A lot of not very good things happened, there was suffering for the whole family for that, but mainly to me. Things happened that will last til I go home. AND THAT WAS WITH A RESPONSIBLE AND CARING MOTHER!! Maybe you can imagine a boy being in a situation without a father in the house and a mother who puts herself before him.

We learned that Lanza had psychological difficulties, yet his mother exposed him to two hi powered, hi capacity hand guns and an assualt rifle. We also learned that she took him shooting to help a “mother-son bonding experience”. I realize it’s all subject to verification, but to me, a big red flag is popping up, because history shows the many tragedies are attributed to the offender’s troubled home life.

So, what is your problem? If they take away. or put strong restrictions on these guns, does that mean it’s only the beginning of a complete gun ban? If that’s it, don’t worry if enough men savvy up about political issues. Vote out the anti-gun party pro big government party. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, which, btw, is the feminist party. The Republican Party is basically pro 2nd Amendment. Laws are almost always subject to change. All men should be politically active anyway,because political power is our only hope for salvation at this place and time.

If you, or anybody else, thinks we have a chance to fight our gov’t if it becomes too oppressive, put your pea shooters away, because if you don’t it will only get you shot faster.

And if you guys have to without your assault guns, of any caliber, to prevent another Newtown massacre, tough shit.

Now, show me where I said that I carry.

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oddsock December 20, 2012 at 10:41

Gerald Celente Trends in the news. ” We must change ”

http://www.youtube.com/user/gcelente

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Mickey T December 20, 2012 at 10:49

keyster,

Paul is a great guy and he has so much going for going for him and men, but he just can’t get it together on the most important issue.

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joeb December 20, 2012 at 10:54

I have to say this , I light of the recent Killing in schools and other places And as long as Iv been a MRA . With all the garbage from the left about us/MRAs being violent . or a hate group .
I have yet to read about an MRA being violent . A big ZERO in that stat .
Most of us are angry , most of us would support radical change , but none of us are violent .
On the contrary , Most of the killing have one thing in common , No Dad in the house , Government programs and the stench of feminism .
This is the 800lbs Gorilla in the room that the Government is choosing to Ignore . YES they are choosing to Ignore the facts for self interest .
This is often the hallmark of tyranny . When a society is so much in the dark that a social program takes over as a philosophical true .
Equal force is a self evident true Mathematically and scientifically . If the government goes with More force ,then More force will be the backlash of there stupidity .
They refuse or choose not to look at themselves as the cause . MRAs are the cure not the cause ,We simply are feared . Fear is a terrible thing , Fear of change will leave you homeless ,Fear of the truth will render you helpless .
Feminism is simply an intolerable nagging , Government feminism is a neo nazi movement that will tear down are society .

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Mr. J December 20, 2012 at 11:08

The problem with mutually giving up guns is that they can easily resupply theirs and you can’t.

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TFH December 20, 2012 at 11:35

I don’t parse the Manosphere into winners and losers. ANY EFFORT that isn’t bitterly and blatantly misogynist and/or violent – is at least some effort.

Bingo.

Anyone who is overtly non-complying with the feminist agenda of what men should be used for, is fighting feminism. Whether Paul Elam, or a PUA. Both are fighting feminism, just in different ways.

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Tam the Bam December 20, 2012 at 11:45

“In the UK, that veritable home nation of english-socialism [ingsoc], an overly powerful and politicized police have been caught out red-handed constructing false evidence”
Poiuyt, it seems more to be twisted in with a general bout of internecine warfare at The Top.
‘Minitrue’ is usually riven between the state socialist propaganda arm, and the organs of the international corporates (BBC vs.Murdoch/Beaverbrook/Barclay Bros press).
For some reason the corporates have vented their displeasure on the Inner Party (Parliament, Govt&Civil Service) with the “Expenses Scandal”.
And the BBC (Outer Party) has been forced to choose between its invariable spewing of the Party line and it’s avowed determination to rubbish the Tories ( allegedly right-wing, bash-the-peasants landowners’ tool, but actually euro-style, left-wing social democratic party) at all times, in favour of Labour (europhilic, tax-and-spend,spend, spend allegedly left-wing, union-controlled socialist tool, but actually right-wing bash-the-poor party. I hope that’s clear!).
The Inner Party and Miniluv (the police) have struck back with the “BBC is a nest of pedophiles” affair (ongoing, and hardly a state secret anyhow) . Which the BBC and the rest of Minitrue have called their bluff on, and extended to the “top politicians are all kiddy-fiddlers, as well as thieving liars with their fingers in the national till, and the police are conspiring to pervert the course of whatever to protect them”. Some sort of truce with low-level sniping on that one for now, due to its being rather too close to the bone, and risking a (potentially violent, definitely unpredictable) prole backlash.
Miniluv has been conspiring with whoever it seems to be to their advantage to, changing sides constantly, while continuing their ancient and hallowed tradition of detection known as “just make some shit up and collar somebody. Anybody”, and as a result the other two legs of the stool (Minitrue and Inner Party) have chucked various corruption scandals at them, e.g. Hillsborough, and the attempted fitting-up of Mitchell the pleb-disser (who is an indubitable twat. Would you pick a queeny screaming fight with a couple of sturdy fellas toting H&K MP5s, armed only with a bicycle pump?) has been adroitly “turned” by them thanks to the ubiquitous CCTV. Miniluv were sore annoyed about the curtailing of their truly glorious pension and pay arrangements, which they regard as their just reward for (violently) smashing the proles’ combinations in the 1980′s, when, as you say, they were overtly politicised into an Inner Party tool, and not uncoincidentally began to be increasingly armed to the teeth. The old wooden truncheon, cuffs and whistle (and Browning revolver in serious incidents) are long gone. Now they are increasingly sticking it to their paymasters, for example, just standing around looking at their fingernals and whistling during the London Riots the other summer.

This irruption into public of normally subterranean infighting is vaguely disturbing to us ordinary proles, as it’s a sign of encroaching Disorder. Which on an island where the habitable bits are the most densely populated on earth, outside of various tropical city-states, and attracting more hungry mouths on a literally uncountable daily basis, is a grim prospect. We’ve seen this sort of thing before. 1840′s, in The Other Island.

tl;dr
the police thing is just part of a generalized and unusually reckless rats-in-a-sack war that’s broken out among The Proprietors of UK plc. in the last couple of years for some reason, possibly not unconnected with The Great Crash of ’08, and consequent hitting the buffers for their tax-fuelled gravy-train.
Sorry about wall’o’drivel, but it’s .. complicated .. and as ever in Blighty, things are decidedly not as they appear, even to the most unwaveringly rational of observers like this blog and its commenters.

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Mickey T December 20, 2012 at 12:29

This government has been ruining the lives men and children for decades, and still is with no end in sight, and some of you guys are worried more about a rifle you don’t need.

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Frank Nizzo December 20, 2012 at 15:06

@ Info

Your male-hating propaganda is transparent. Why are male activities “addictions” while female activities aren’t? It’s clear that your bigoted view of being a “real man” is being a slave. Thankfully, people like you are dying off. Your cowardice to not protect men will of course ensure that you’ll die off far sooner than your female counterparts. Good job.

What part of non-stop texting on the phone all day every day wouldn’t be considered some form of psychological dependance??? Because everywhere I go sadly its mostly women (but even a large % of men as well ) Sad and pathetic behavior IMHO that one is that reliant on a piece of technology for such a large % of ones time…

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keyster December 20, 2012 at 15:17

When women began competing with men en masse for jobs in the late 80′s and 90′s, rather than competing with other women for the best men – – the contract was broken, the war began.

These deranged 20-something millenials are the product of feminization of the culture and emasculated men. Masculinity doesn’t exist in a vaccuum. Urban youth join street gangs for male bonding and family. They shoot each other every day. Suburban youth stay bottled up in front of Battlefield 3, until they uncork their little “Raids at Dawn”.

It will happen again and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. It’s a symptom of a generation of young men that have had their masculinity whipped out of them by a feminist culture that REWARDS females for masculinity, while punishing and ridiculing young men. What else were we to expect? That young men would WANT to be more like women, embrace femininity? Keep pushing the Gender Egalitarian Utopia in our schools and mass media – and unimaginable horrors will keep happening.

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zed December 20, 2012 at 15:18

Charles Martel December 19, 2012 at 15:17

Have you looked at the pictures of the murdered children? All I could think of was the faces of my own children at the same age.

If it was somehow possible to change the past I would butcher every member of Adam Lanza’s family with a machete if it would save the lives of those children.

And, it is precisely that sort of rage which will be capitalized on over the next few months and years to shred what little is left of the US Constitution.

Yeah, I have looked at the pictures of the murdered children. I cannot fathom what sort of monster could do what the shooter did.

But, at the same time, when I look at his own 1st grade picture, he does not look much different from the boys he murdered. If, 14 years ago, I had a crystal ball, and done to him what he did to 20 children, the public would have perceived me not as a hero and savior of some children’s future lives – but as being the same sort of monster which he is now seen as being.

You are one of the better thinkers who post here, Charles. But, if this event has driven you to such rage that you can speak of murdering an entire family with a machete, then I shudder to think of the reaction of people who on their best days do not think as well as you do normally.

In the same week that this massacre of 1st graders occurred, a sergeant who served multiple tours in Afghanistan is being brought up on charges of attacking a civilian village and killing 16 people including 9 children. Prosecutors are asking for the death penalty. Also, soldiers in Africa who were given the duty of guarding a ship decided it would be a better for them to pirate it, instead.

In the US, 1.3 million abortions are performed every year. That works out to about 2.5/minute. Every 8 minutes, as many children die as died in Newtown. Would you attack an abortionist with a machete? – knowing that in an average day he might kill 5x or more the number of children that the Connecticut shooter did?

Oh, God, I wish there was a simple answer to all this.

Maybe you have run across the video which has gone pretty much viral on the net in the past few days of a female Texas cop performing a body cavity search on two women – sticking her finger up their rectum first, and then sticking it in their vagina. And not even changing gloves when she examined the 2nd woman – thus contaminating the 2nd woman’s vagina with 2 cultures of fecal bacteria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJJIEQ5_ees

These are the only people we are supposed to trust our safety to? We can’t allow ourselves to be trusted because one of those cherubic-faced 1st grade boys might grow up to be a mass-murderer?

Who is going to protect us from the military men who go berserk and kill almost as many innocent people as Lanza? Who is going to protect us from the military details who figure out that they can make more money stealing things they are supposed to be guarding?

If you or I were to digitally penetrate a female without her “enthusiastic consent”, and introduce fecal bacteria and perhaps even fecal matter into her vagina – there is not a court in the country which would not convict us of rape. But, let it be done by a female law enforcement officer, at the request of a male LEO, and under “the color of law”, and somehow it is all OK.

When the rage over these senseless murders cools down, I fear that many even more senseless things will have been done under the influence of that rage.

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The First Joe December 20, 2012 at 15:45

Spot on Welmer.

The alphabet soup of cops and armed agencies in the USA have shown no hesitation in opening fire on their own people any damn time they like:
- Kent State University, Jackson College and New Mexico University 1970 – the National Guard opened fire and bayoneted unarmed students,
– The Waco massacre of innocents where FBI / ATF gunmen !and a tank! shot and burned to death a bunch of folks – who had hurt no-one else. (watch Bill Hicks documentary on that one).
- Every non-violent dude shot by SWATcops in their own home for toking a joint.
- Every murder arising from the ATF’s smuggling guns to Los Narcos in “Operation Fast and Furious”…

It’s no surprise many Americans don’t trust their gov’t, or their agents. That’s not paranoia, IMO, it’s a rational reaction to an untrustworthy, hostile authority.

The UK is very different to the US!
I don’t mind so much living in a country (UK) where proper guns* are restricted and licenced to the point there are less than 2million legally held guns (mostly shotguns) in a population of 56million, because our cops by and large do not carry guns either! – just batons and pepper spray, and sometimes tazers. And they just cut our army down to about 80,000 (most of whom are rotating on deployments fighting corporate/bankster instigated wars).

The UK has fewer cops per head of population than most comparable countries. There’s only one layer of cops too for most of us – the regional constabulary – for example; in my area, the regional police force which covers three counties, and has only 17 armed response unit cops, for over two million people.
So, you have to do something really, really spectacularly dickish to get shot by the plod around here.

What’s more, because we live on an island where smuggling is channeled through controlled choke points, black market guns for criminals are rare enough that they’ve so got expensive the crims operate a weird kind of “gun lending library” system and pistol ammo costs about £10 ($17) per round! on the black market.
The UK has always had a low murder rate (about 550 per year = 1 in 100,000 per annum) and firearms killings, also always low – are down to about 40 a year.
If you stay the hell out of the big cities of London, Birmingham, Liverpool and Manchester you more than halve your odds of ever being shot by a crim or a cop (the London Met and City of London cops have loads of guns – even so, UK cops have only shot about 3 dozen people over the last 15years or so).

Yeah, we Brits are subjects of the Crown and live in a class-ridden society… So, ON PAPER we don’t have the freedoms that you do in the US, but IN PRACTICE, if we’re smart and discreet (e.g. don’t say non-PC stuff on non-anonymous sites on teh Internetz, doh.) we’re way more free here than in UK than USA.
E.g.s:
- There’s no such crime as “jaywalking”,
- there’s no State I.D. cards,
- no-one has ever been arrested for running a raw milk co-op,
- no-one gets their veg. dug up from their front garden by the local “authority”,
- if you’re self-employed and have a turnover less than about £15,000** per annum your tax return is just three numbers,
- you won’t pay any tax at all on your first £10k of income as of April 2013, up from about £8.5k this last 2011/2012 tax year,
- similarly you don’t pay (nor have to declare) any tax on your first £10k of capital gains per annum,
- you can walk around drunk in public and not get arrested,
- and… the odds of cops kicking your door down and shooting you for smoking a spliff in your own home are vanishingly small.

(*”Free arms” in UK are sub-12ftlbs air rifles for plinking/target/vermin/small game, also crossbows and archery bows for target (no bow hunting allowed)
**It’s been a while since I checked that threshold, it’s probably higher now).

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brigadon December 20, 2012 at 16:09

@joeb-
Speak for yourself. I am not a pacifist. If I could find a violent solution that would not be counterproductive, I would take it in a heartbeat.

However, I do not ADVOCATE violence. No MRA’s do. The reason is, again, because there are no workable, quick, and productive ways that violence can be used to create justice in this case.

Being entirely unwilling to USE violence when neccessary, means that you do not deserve the rights or priveleges violence has preserved, created, or maintained for you. Violence may not be the BEST solution, but it almost always is A solution.

‘Pacifists’ that are willing to accept the benefits that war and sacrifice have provided, and yet are unwilling to lay down their lives and honor for those benefits, deserve nothing more than the slavery that they receive.

Those who agitate for gun control, ANY gun control, deserve the slavery that they will receive for disarming themselves. I will not support gun control. I will fight against it with any means at my disposal, up to and including laying down my own life as an example, although if I do so I’d prefer laying down the lives of my enemies to allow THEM to be the example.

I think that the funding drop for the military will bring a large number of men home. and those men will not be the peaceful agitators, the pacifists that push for gun control. These men will either be coopted for the police force, or they will create a situation that would be intimately familiar to the founding fathers.

The pacifists at AVFM are largely successful appealing to undecided women BECAUSE they are broken men, and pacifists. Pacifists that can easily be controlled even should their message be heard. I support their attempts at change, they are my allies, but I have absolutely no respect for them. They are betas in every sense of the word, agitating for recognition of their own ‘victim status’. I applaud their dedication, especially in researching and finding out the names of the terrorists at U of T, but in the end, they will not make a single change. At best, they will allow slaves to decide which master they serve. They pray for an egalitarian utopia where men and women are both oppressed.

They are allies, useful for R&R and research. Other than that, they have absolutely no interest in freedom, justice, or self-determination. They are imbedded deeply in the liberal, fascist, Canadian social matrix. They like to talk about ‘blue pill’ and ‘red pill’, but they are still firmly addicted to the blue pill of socialism and antlike complacency. They do not desire freedom, they simply desire for women to be as deeply abused as men.

True freedom means taking your ‘rights’ on a personal scale, or choosing your own allies to take your rights on a larger scale. A slave must first free himself. It is impossible to enslave a man that truly chooses not to be enslaved. You can kill him, you can try to rob him, but if he is truly dedicated to freedom you can never enslave him.

I am dedicated to waking men up, making them realize that they have to take their freedoms back personally. Group consensus is useless if it is not backed by personal will. ‘fairness’ is an illusion, ‘rights’ are an illusion, unless they are backed by people with the will and discipline to maintain them.

TL:DR version=Pacifism is for pussies. They deserve what it gets them.

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The First Joe December 20, 2012 at 16:48

@Whoever was trying to blame Adam Lanza’s mother? That’s bullshit. He stole the guns from her and murdered her – she was the first victim!!

Also relevant:
For over 20 years Big Pharma have: a) known, from clinical observation and controlled studies, that about 1 to 3.5% of people who are prescribed SSRI type anti-depressants e.g. Prozac experience akathasia (agitation) often leading to impulsive / violent / suicidal / homicidal behaviour.
b) settled loads of lawsuits out of court, to keep this info out of the media – protecting their profit margins obtained from selling these pills to millions of mentally ill people in USA and elsewhere
http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/features/drugs-medical/ssri-suicide-akathisia.html?utm_expid=3607522-0

And this too:
The US mental health system is broken, a lot of mentally ill folks just end up jailed. This mother fears her son is heading the same way:
http://m.gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

Also this:

And when you see Obama crying on your telly, remember this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8695679/168-children-killed-in-drone-strikes-in-Pakistan-since-start-of-campaign.html

And finally, the long, long history of school murders and shootings
in the US, going right back to the 1850s… Apparently the worst death toll was:

“May 18, 1927 Bath, Michigan School treasurer Andrew Kehoe, after killing his wife and destroying his house and farm, blew up the Bath Consolidated School by detonating dynamite in the basement of the school, killing 38 people, mostly children. He then pulled up to the school in his Ford car, then blew the car up, killing himself and four others. Only one shot was fired in order to detonate dynamite in the car. This was deadliest act of mass murder at a school in the United States.”

Closely rivalled by:

May 5, 1940 Dallas, Texas. Two youths shot and killed 38 students and seriously injuried 3 teachers when they were suspended from school for using inapporiate language toward a teacher.[citation needed]

The list fails to give casualty details on the following so I looked them up:

May 4th 1970 Kent State massacre of unarmed students by the Ohio National Guard, killed 4, 9 wounded (one of whom was paralysed).

May 8th 1970 11 students were bayoneted (wounded) by National Guardsmen at the University of New Mexico

May 15th 1970 Jackson State College Missisipi – National Guardsmen shot and killed 2 students and wounded 12.

In the 21st Century the list also includes school shootings from UK, Germany, Finland, Argentina..

http://southernoklahoma.com/schoolshootings/

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Hf December 20, 2012 at 17:40

@continental

Bush, SR never invaded Iraq. Iraq, in fact, invaded Kuwait and Bush, SR pushed Iraq out of Kuwait.

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Anonymous Reader December 20, 2012 at 17:41

Mickey T
We learned that Lanza had psychological difficulties, yet his mother exposed him to two hi powered, hi capacity hand guns and an assualt rifle.

It is not true that an assault rifle was involved. The carbine / rifle used was not capable of full-auto fire, therefore it is not an assault rifle by any standard used by any military on the planet. I grow quite tired of people misusing words in order to increase emotional impact.

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Anonymous Reader December 20, 2012 at 17:46

Mickey T

This government has been ruining the lives men and children for decades, and still is with no end in sight, and some of you guys are worried more about a rifle you don’t need.

It’s all the same thing. It’s all just different facets of the same thing. That’s why the anger, IMO.

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highwasp December 20, 2012 at 18:32

describe freedom to me The First Joe so that I may know as well as you…

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Charles Martel December 20, 2012 at 18:38

Zed
And, it is precisely that sort of rage which will be capitalized on over the next few months and years to shred what little is left of the US Constitution.

Maybe. The Constitution has already been pretty much shredded, primarily at the hands of George Dubya Bush.

My comment was hyperbole, obviously and also hypothetical insofar as time travel is impossible.

The point I’d like you to consider is that most fathers will do just about anything in defense of their children. There are exceptions and it’s also true that many women will act heroically if their children are threatened.

I think it’s significant that Adam Lanza’s father had been out of Adam’s life for the last ten years. Adam’s life appears to have been typical single mother dysfunction, plus mental illness and a boatload of SWPL money.

I have the same sense that many do that there’s now something deeply wrong with this country and that the future may hold some unpleasant surprises. The difference between the US and say, the UK, is that many Americans remember what the US used to be while the Brits have always been subjects of the Queen. I don’t know if that memory is enough to push the US political pendulum back in the other direction. I doubt it, personally. But I also doubt we’ll be seeing Civil War II.

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highwasp December 20, 2012 at 19:23

same for you brigadon – describe – please, your visions of freedom ~ I know what it is for me ~ but when I envision freedom I am limited to beaches and bikinis rubbing on me, gambling, winning and local drugs, clean water and healthy food and all day to do what I want…, everyday – and an endless stream of cash, private jet, global entertainment, a full time, full support staff and no worries – your basic Johnny Depp/Keith Richards ‘reality’. Freedom.

However, you seem to have some information for me so that I might be a better man who knows freedom and is not such a pacifist… I know that fantasy above is not real. For some it is, but I just write and dream about it anymore – I don’t actively pursue it. I know a man can find all the freedom in the world in his own home, with his wife, children, parents, extended family. I know a man can find the reality of being the provider and protector of and for his family more gratifying than all the above… but that’s gone now… and so am I it seems.

Care to elaborate on freedom for me? What’s it look like? Who is there with you and do you have a lot of money, middle or poor? When do we absolutely attain it? Do we constantly have to keep fighting for it and if so, is that really freedom? A Freedom Fighter then seems a lot like a Christian Soldier… Freedom aint Free – A pursuit of Happiness?

#When one pursues happiness and finds it, there he also finds freedom.

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Lyn87 December 20, 2012 at 19:48

Mickey T December 19, 2012 at 23:37

lin,

I assume you mean me…

…Sigh…

Where to begin…?

I feel confident in saying that I probably know a lot more about firearms than you because you still have not acknowledged that the shooter in Connecticut did NOT HAVE AN ASSAULT WEAPON. In fact, in your last visible post you incorrectly referred to the carbine he had as an “assault rifle” (your words) again.

A guy (that would be you) who thinks a semi-auto AR-15 that is legal in Connecticut is an assault rifle cannot speak with authority on the subject of banning them. 1) You think he had an “assault rifle.” 2) You are objectively, factually, definitionally, wrong. 3) You persist in your error even after it has been pointed out to you.

This is not a matter of opinion – it is a simple matter of fact, and after several posts you have still not admitted that you are incorrect. Not only don’t you know what an “assault rifle” is (or is not in this case), but you apparently don’t even know that you don’t know.

Seriously, just admit that you were wrong about him having an “assault rifle.” It enhances your credibility when you admit you were wrong after it has been shown that you are. I do it – I have done it here at “the Spearhead” with regard to other topics. If I state something that is factually incorrect and someone points it out – I just friggin’ admit it and move on.

Give it a try – it’s really quite liberating.

Then you wrote this, “You must be a fairly young man who is angry and frustrated. Being in that state almost always affects one’s vision and judgment and that’s never good.”

Get off your high horse.

As for my age – I am in my early 50′s. I retired as a field-grade military officer and served a tour in Afghanistan. (For whatever it’s worth, I have a certain amount of mixed feelings about the whole thing in retrospect.) I choose to remain anonymous on this forum, but Bill knows my real name and can confirm that if he feels like it.

You asked me, “How long have you been opposing the likes of Biden, Pelosi, and actually did something about it.You forgot to Fienstien who at least sponsored the max capacity legislation back in the 90s.”

I was publicly opposing gun control as far back as the early 1990′s (back when Howard Metzenbaum was a leader of the anti-freedom movement) in print, under my own name. And if you think I “forgot” about the hi-cap ban, you’re as mad as a hatter. I still have a few “10-rounders” in my basement, right next to my pre-ban hi-caps.

And I understand politics just fine, thank you. Although I admit to a certain morbid curiosity about what you think I don’t know. But if your knowledge of politics is as sketchy as your demonstrated lack of knowledge about assault rifles, you should probably spend more time asking questions and less time making assertions.

And so you bought a pimped-out S&W in .357 Magnum. Congratulations: I’m sure it’s pretty. The way you describe it screams “collector piece that will never be fired!” to me. I may be wrong about that (see what I did there?), but… Whatever. That’s cool. I prefer my plain-Jane Glock that goes “bang” 16 times before it goes “click,” but hey – it’s your money.

Lest this get too acrimonious (we agree about a lot more than we disagree on and I have no desire to make enemies unnecessarily over a single issue that is peripheral to the purpose of this website), I’m with you about the connection between fatherlessness and bad outcomes. If we as a society could find a way to fix the urban matriarchies at least 90% of our violence would evaporate, especially if we end the senseless “war on drugs” at the same time. Confiscating $1000 carbines from law-abiding citizens? Not so much.

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zed December 20, 2012 at 20:28

The point I’d like you to consider is that most fathers will do just about anything in defense of their children.

I do understand that, Charles.

The point I was trying to make is that the pictures of these dead children and the horrific circumstance of their death throw people into a state of shock, and sometimes when people are in shock they do not make the wisest decisions.

It would take a short novel to convey all the background thinking for what I said, but the short version is a phrase I have heard dozens of times in the discussions of this group murder – “tipping point.” People who will do almost anything to “protect their children” will often accept broad scale curtailment of “other people’s” liberties without considering that they, themselves, might get caught in that trap.

This incident is tailor made for a power grab by the PTB, and a lot of people will go along with it without reading the fine print, because “it’s for the children.”

The trap in this for fathers is that they clearly do not have the power to protect their own children. The icons of atrocity of those dead children’s faces underscore this fact, and fathers are left to follow down the same path that women have gone down – surrender to the state the power, and responsibility, to protect them.

That is the tipping point – it is fundamentally, once and for all, giving up on the concept of self-reliance. The state has already taken over the provider role, and when it also becomes the protector, men will be cast adrift without any anchor for masculine identity.

And, very shortly, guys like Michael Bloomberg will be dictating to them the limits on the sizes of soft drinks they can serve their own children.

I think it’s significant that Adam Lanza’s father had been out of Adam’s life for the last ten years. Adam’s life appears to have been typical single mother dysfunction, plus mental illness and a boatload of SWPL money.

There is that old saying that “nature abhors a vacuum.” So, what filled the vacuum left by the absence of his father, the lack of any sense of real contribution to his own sustenance, and no real plan or hope for his future? Lots of things, but one to which I am extremely sensitive is mass media filled with violent images.

I haven’t had a TV since the mid-1970s, and am regularly and routinely shocked by what I glimpse of it during my brief passer-by encounters with it. About a month ago I had to go to the emergency room and in the treatment room was a TV tuned to some new network called Ion. There was some cop show on (dirty cop), and in the space of about an hour I was shown over a dozen murders – more than I had ever seen in my life up through my mid-20s, when I got rid of the TV.

The psychological term is called “progressive desensitization.” It is similar to the phenomenon of when I moved into an apartment with a police station one block away in one direction and a fire station a block in another direction. For the first few weeks I was woken up several times per night by sirens. After a few months, 4 big pumpers could scream down the street with sirens and horns blowing, and I didn’t even notice them.

I have watched the brutalization of culture for decades, and squawked about it the entire time. Kids raised on TV, and movies, and video games do not understand the separation between them and reality to the extent that most people believe. I have watched the escalation of stimulation embedded in them for years. As the cultural adrenaline addiction has progressed, I have watched entertainment become more extreme to keep provoking the same rush. People have become so numb, that they can mainline the adrenaline, and get no rush from it at all.

And, I believe that is what rushed in to fill the vacuum in Lanza’s life – left when he had no father, no plans, no ambitions, no sense of controlling or even contributing to his own destiny. Add to that the potent mind-altering drugs they are dosing boys by the millions with, and I think you have a ticking time bomb – with the only question being when it will go off, not if.

And, I believe that there are millions and millions more boys just like him, in much the same circumstances.

Tonight, I stopped at the grocery store on the way home. Like most grocery stores, and all banks and financial institutions in my area, there was an armed guard on duty – as there always is.

Strange that cash drawers full of money merit an armed guard, but those children, whose fathers will do almost anything to protect, don’t.

Why don’t they just put a “gun free zone” sign on the door, and save the cost of the armed guard?

Probably because they don’t trust the sign would do the job, and if it didn’t it would really suck to be without a plan B.

The tipping point is that the country, as a whole, is giving up on having a plan B. From here on out the government is not only the provider, but the protector as well. And, just like everything else the government tries to do, but fails, the answer for every failure will always be “more government.”

Only one of the new “gun control measures” being bandied about would have affected Lanza – the limits on magazine capacity. He would still have been able to steal his mother’s guns, unless and until people like his mother are also prevented from buying them – which is coming, and probably soon.

Whatever control measures they put into place the first round will fail. As many people have pointed out, some of the worst mass killings in recent years have occurred in countries with very strict gun laws.

In time, the government will reach the point, urged on by parents screaming “do something to protect us, and make the children safe” where confiscation will become acceptable.

It probably won’t turn into Civil War II, but it might come to resemble Afghanistan of the western hemisphere.

A lot of people have some sort of idea of an invisibility cloak – bad things only happen to other people, and bad laws only get applied to other people.

There are many examples of disarmament of a population being followed by some real mass murders numbering in the millions, not a dozen or two. But, I am sure there is some sort of magical force field around the US which will prevent anyone between the Mexican and Canadian borders, and between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans from becoming an American Pol Pot, or Mao Zedung, or Idi Amin.

Or, maybe not.

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oddsock December 21, 2012 at 01:47

Libertarian Paradise

Sales of Bullet Proof Backpacks Soar After School Shootings.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/12/19/sales-of-bulletproof-backpacks-soar-after-school-shootings/

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continent December 21, 2012 at 02:02

Was a heavily armed SWAT team, (like in picture) or other armored vechicles like soldiers needed for this bust?
http://www.wftv.com/gallery/news/mug-shots-60-arrested-in-prostitution-bust/gdLK/#483792

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Mickey T December 21, 2012 at 06:11

Anonymous reader,

The whole world gasped when Mickey T said one weapon used by Lanza was an assault RIFLE. “MY GOD, this man had a machine gun!!!!!!!!!!!” said the world.
Away with them all.

Excuse me, I meant assault WEAPON. Now the world knows.

Stop farting around, Anonymous, you and lin know damn well I meant a semi-auto.

Where were you guys last year when Obama signed over $3.5 billion of our tax dollars in INCREASES for feminist projects????

Your focusing on chicken shit, while you are being buried deeper in cow shit.

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brigadon December 21, 2012 at 06:34

@Highwasp-
Freedom DOES have to be fought for. fighting is itself part of the freedom.

Although, to be completely honest, the word ‘freedom’ is a misnomer. One that we have already accepted from a feminized culture. The REAL word for what the MRM is fighting for is ‘Justice’.

What justice, (that we often mistakenly refer to as freedom) is, is a balance of rewards versus responsibilities.

Men are waking up to the realization that the responsibilities we have taken on are no longer equal to the rewards.

In the ancient past, the rewards and responsibilities were fairly well understood, and very simple.

Men’s responsibilities:
Protect woman
provide food
provide shelter
die for woman if neccessary

and the rewards were easy to define as well:
unlimited access to sex
offspring
respect
obedience

Female responsibilites could be defined easily:
give man sex
give man children
respect man and stroke his ego
follow instructions

As humanity and civilization advanced, the responsibilities on men increased and became more complicated, while the responsibilities on women became less. That means that men took on more responsibility for less reward. Until you come to today:

Male responsibility:
protect woman
provide for woman
make woman happy
keep woman sexually satisfied
endure woman’s abuse
endure woman’s violence
do whatever woman says
do what woman wants, when she doesn’t say
be trophy for woman to other women
support women to whom you are not connected
protect women you don’t know
provide for women everywhere
die for woman
kill for woman
fight other men on a woman’s whim
buy toys for women
buy useless baubles for woman
never disagree with woman
validate woman
do all the work so woman can be ‘self sufficient’
sacrifice your happiness on altar of woman
attribute all of your success to woman
respect woman without her being worth respecting
have sex when woman wants
don’t have sex when woman doesn’t want.
support woman’s children, regardless of the father
etc. etc. etc.

Female responsibility:
‘be a woman’

That is inequity. That is not justice. That is NOT freedom. That is what MRA’s are fighting against.

Essentially FORCE is being used on men to MAKE them conform to the new list of male responsibilities. Force is violence. In essence, violence is being used on men to make them assume responsibilities with absolutely no rewards whatsoever.

Part of my disdain for the pacifists is the fact that they are allowing violence to be used on men, without being willing to use violence in response. By allowing violence to be used, without responding violently, is tacitly supporting that violence.

Allowing americans to be disarmed, taking away their ability to violently respond to violence being used against them, is, in effect, supporting violence against them.

It is akin to holding someone’s arms behind their back while they are getting beaten up by someone else. Perhaps you are not doing the actual beating, but by removing their ability to protect themselves, you are just as guilty and reprehensible as the guy doing the swinging.

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The First Joe December 21, 2012 at 06:44

@Highwasp:

Some important aspects of freedom:

Freedom – going about your daily business on the regular without any interference from armed uniformed goons. (We have this in UK).

Freedom – knowing that if push came to shove your gov’t would very probably be incapable of perpetrating mass imprisonment / genocide upon the population and/or the population would have the means to oppose that. (Again, got that.)

Freedom – having the means to defend yourself from attack by criminals (or anyone) and the backing of the law if you do so. They changed the law in 2008, which effectively gives the benefit of the doubt to the householder.

Two cases in the UK recently:

- Home invasion by knife armed burglars, home owner fought back and killed one perp – (who was a violent career-criminal). Home owner was later released without charge.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038785/Vincent-Cookes-plea-family-flee-stabbing-burglar-Raymond-Jacob-6-times.html

- A couple shot at burglars breaking into their farmhouse, using their legally held, licenced shotgun. Burglars were wounded. Householders were released without charge (after being held 40hrs for police inquiries). Judge later told burglars they should expect to be shot at if they break into rural homes, and would not get a shorter sentence for their wounds.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9568247/Burglars-took-the-chance-when-they-broke-into-shotgun-holders-home-judge.html

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Towgunner December 21, 2012 at 06:48

@ Highwasp:

“Care to elaborate on freedom for me? What’s it look like? Who is there with you and do you have a lot of money, middle or poor? When do we absolutely attain it? Do we constantly have to keep fighting for it and if so, is that really freedom? A Freedom Fighter then seems a lot like a Christian Soldier… Freedom aint Free – A pursuit of Happiness?”

Freedom is an ideal, its also something that is different for every person. It’s easy to imagine freedom, what is hard to accept is that we live in a world of finite resources that is imperfect. Perhaps the bane of human existence is that we can never fully satisfy every whim of our imagination…even the richest of us can’t. I don’t think you can obtain perfect freedom so the best you can hope and strive for is an optimal level of freedom. Even in the example of Keith Richards, never mind the fact that he is one out of millions and millions of people to achieve that level of freedom, he is still very much un-free. Richards is a slave to his impulses whether its drugs or sex as our many of his kind. What does freedom look like…it starts with what you want out of your life. If you want a huge house(s) with tons of money a beautiful wife, cars, vacations etc…that’s great and there is nothing wrong with that. However, you have to go out and realize that goal i.e. go and work for it. And by working for it you must give up your personal freedoms. Even if you work for yourself, your business will demand your attention and freedom. This is true for everyone; you know what professional golfers do on the tour after a match? They go hit >1000 balls on the driving range. And when they’re not competing they’re hitting even more balls, constantly improving and practicing to the point that the many enthusiastic avid golfers would get sick. And this path to “freedom” is perilous many people end up dropping dead from exhaustion. Many still will never make it, yet, they still must provide even if it’s just for them, hence they must work. That is reality and that is the nature of this plane of reality, it’s a bitter sweet symphony as the band “The Verve” put it. Our popular and corporate culture has promoted their ideal of “freedom” and it’s pretty F*cking pathetic. To them, the end is a corner office 90 hour work week as a partner in the investment banking division at goldman sachs. Sure, money will be not object, but that will be utterly irrelevant when every waking hour is spent at or worrying about work – your beach front home in the Hamptons, like all the others, goes dark for most of the summer and that $2mm 2 br sh*thole condo in the meat packing district is hardly used for more than sleep, sh*ting, masterbating and sex. These companies will grind the life and any sense of “freedom” right out of you. Interestingly, they’ve marketed this miserable existence to women who bought it hook line and sinker. For me, I think you need to gear your work or “career” so that given your personal limitations, your luck and your position in life, you can find the shortest path to…never working ever again. Its just that simple, the end objective is to never work again or work very little. Now, that is not to be confused with people on welfare, who don’t or hardly work and pay no taxes etc. What I’m saying is that freedom is not free and you must work to obtain it. To make things even more confusing and hard, the personal end-state of one’s freedom is many times a lifelong quest in its own right. Many people have no clue what might make them happy. In the spirit of keeping things simple and considering the fact that no matter what, you need to provide for yourself, it stands that if you adopt my previously stated mindset to work for the purpose of never working again, if you’re successful, you’ll more than likely be happy enough and even if you never find your “calling” you can spend the rest of your life looking – hence this is what I mean by trying to optimize your freedom.
One last note, as a country we actually lived in a time, once, when this concept was very well understood. And, many people, specifically, families achieved this goal. A popular saying in the 1800s was from “shirtsleaves to shirtsleaves” it referred to a generational dynamic where one man would toil away and amass enough wealth to not only never work again but for his offspring to either not work or work very little for their entire lives. Trouble is the offspring would muddle it up and “to shirtsleaves” meant back to work they went. That cycle is an entirely different story, I bring it up as an example of how well this ideal works when applied to a nation and how well the old America worked. I will say that the system work optimally with a society that embraced and promoted traditional nuclear families for a number of reasons. Today, the lone automaton single parent human labor unit being subjected to all the other levers of oppression i.e gmo foods, public school, mass media etc is almost entirely helpless to the new corporate oligarchical feudal system that has descended onto us. However, these people are not enlightened to the truth I just outlined, as such, there is hope for all of us and freedom is still obtainable you just have to understand how to get it.

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The First Joe December 21, 2012 at 06:50

I’m pretty sure the incorrect use of the term “assault rifle” by corrupt US politicos / ignorant media is deliberate.

It allows them to cast the net of “Ooooga-Booga This Gun BAD” wider.

It’s certainly soaked into the mind of pretty much anyone who knows bugger all about guns. Wilful ignorance really.

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keyster December 21, 2012 at 08:43

From here on out the government is not only the provider, but the protector as well.

Men have lost their identity and the boys know it.
Women can be heroic mothers, ball-busting careerists, “bring home the bacon and fry it up in a pan.”
Men are superfluous eunichs, if they’re not out “hooking up” with their inner-circle of sluts.
How humiliating can it be to have your independent-survivalist Mother take you to the range and teach you how to shoot guns?

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Towgunner December 21, 2012 at 09:13

@ Keyster:

“It will happen again and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. It’s a symptom of a generation of young men that have had their masculinity whipped out of them by a feminist culture that REWARDS females for masculinity, while punishing and ridiculing young men. What else were we to expect? That young men would WANT to be more like women, embrace femininity? Keep pushing the Gender Egalitarian Utopia in our schools and mass media – and unimaginable horrors will keep happening.”

Of course it will happen again. You know what comes to mind with this incident – Paul Elam’s Misandry Bubble.

At the root of it is the fact that gender egalitarianism is just flat out wrong, un-natural and unobtainable, period. Like it or not girls act feminine, boys act masculine…how many people are going to die until we once again realize and embrace that fact. I mean its all right there for you…take a group of kids and sit back and watch… the boys go to trucks, army men, legos, girls to dolls, doll houses, stuffed animals. Enter the androgynous short haired hate filled “change agent” who preaches that you must be yourself, and then quickly takes the trucks away gives it to the girls and hands the boys the dolls. The contradiction alone is enough to drive you mad. Yes, we should be allowed to be ourselves, but that will mean that boys will be boys, and not gay little girls, and girls will be girls and not gay little bull dykes.

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Jaego December 21, 2012 at 09:57

Guy in North Idaho killed his pregnant wife – called double homicide. Fine. So why is killing the unborn homicide when someone else does it but not when the mother does via abortion?

Also credit where credit is due: some of the Ladies at the Newtown school tried to fight back and protect the students. As a Traditionalist, I see motherhood as woman’s highest calling. And good women go beyond that and see all children as their’s to be cherished. If these women had been armed, it might have all turned out differently.

Women don’t cherish grown men of course – and boys should be taught this as part of their initiation. And if we must have affirmative action, it should be imposed on the School System in favor of Men as teachers.

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Mickey T December 21, 2012 at 10:38

That particular style of firearm has an appeal to the young etc. in today’s violent and neglected children culture. We’ve seen many times lately these guns being used in illegal and deadly ways. I realize that there were other guns in the subject case etc, but that is irrelevant in the overall picture. These weapons are designed to kill people and that’s how they look and that’s how they are depicted in our culture today. I personally think they are ugly as hell. Other than for obvious reasons, I appreciate fine metal work and fine wood work, as well as, well engineered mechanical devices.

If all the owners were responsible, no problem, but they’re not. I know that what I’m proposing will probably make little difference to the existing owners who are careless. I could be wrong, but from what I see so far, I believe that Lanza’s mother is one who was irresponsible and may have contributed to the tragedy. The man had obvious mental problems (enough for the mother to commit him, according to reports) yet she took him shooting.

If we are not going to care for our children and treat the mentally ill as if they fine until they commit a crime, something else must be done.
I’m not saying the gov’t should come pounding on your door in the middle of the night to confiscate. I say that these types of weapons be removed from public view until such time that we have this crisis somewhat under control. I would also temporarily *(being optimistic) stop the sale of these weapons.
I also realize some feel as though the considered restrictions/ban is another infringement on our rights, I agree, but I also think I must sacrifice something for the good of all. A small restriction now may help some kids which would be a great reward for such a small inconvenience, if that at all.

We have twenty small children here who were shot to pieces the other day and something must be done about. To the fem//lib/left/dem crowd it is not much more than a good opportunity to further their agenda which will only cause more trouble..I know exactly what I’d like to do, but with the lack of male political support, it is not possible right now. I have some suggestions but the first thing is to FOCUS ON THE PERPETRATOR.

Any other ideas about trying to correct this horrible problem which has been upon us for decades, might be interesting to hear.

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Mickey T December 21, 2012 at 10:53

Does anybody really think the general public knows the difference between an “assault rifle” and an “assault weapon” ? I don’t think much of anybody thinks the gunman used a fully automatic weapon. If they did we’d probably see the words “machine gun” from the media constantly.

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Mickey T December 21, 2012 at 11:10

I must say, if people are so concerned with their rights on a slight change in our gun laws, why aren’t they making vigorous efforts to free men and children from this feminist prison we’ve been in for the last four decades. If the gov’t wants to knock down our doors and confiscate our guns, our dogs etc, they can do it regardless of how many guns we have.

The NRA has a lot of clout in DC and they are not going away soon. In the next four years we can gain a lot of power in all ways with enough effort in the right direction.

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highwasp December 21, 2012 at 11:32

Thank you for the excellent and detailed responses brigadon and 1stJoe. I will be re-reading them again later this weekend. Be well and good cheer.

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zed December 21, 2012 at 12:04

Men have lost their identity and the boys know it.

Men are superfluous eunichs,

And, speaking of eunuchs –

In San Francisco, Ben Van Houten of the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said, “Keeping public pressure on legislators is critical here. Legislators have been able to duck their responsibility to keep us safe.

See, is no longer our responsibility to look after our own safety, (any more than it is Sandra Fluke’s responsibility to pay for her own birth control), it is the legislators’ responsibility to “keep us safe.”

Apparently, Ben Van Houten thinks that all any of us have to do about life is show up, and keep public pressure on legislators.

Strangely, it was actually the legislators, and the lawyers, who have driven all men out of the schools.

The link above which reference Charlotte Allen writing at NRO. In one sentence she put a finger on one of the major parts of the problem –

There was not a single adult male on the school premises when the shooting occurred.

Which is just fine with those fathers of daughters who will do anything to protect their precious princesses and keep them safe from all those pervy adult men.

After all, it is responsibility of the legislators to keep us safe – God forbid that we might think about taking that responsibility on ourselves.

And, if allowing our sons to spend 12 years incarcerated being beaten down by feminist brainwashing, and told that they are responsible for all the problems in the world, “saves the life of just one child, it will be worth it” – and other useless liberal platitudes.

The problem is that when people tell them to “man up”, those boys have no idea what they are talking about because many of them have never met a fully grown up adult male in their entire lives.

But, I am sure that the legislators will pass some laws, and buy some weapons for some cops – who are the only people we are allowed to trust – and make everything OK and make all of us safe. /snark

I am in my 60s, and I hate western men for what they have allowed to be done to boys. I can only imagine how much some of those boys hate them.

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Mickey T December 21, 2012 at 12:08

Today, NRA head, Wayne La Pierre, called for an armed police officer to be stationed in every American school. He said: “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun”. He was heckled by two protesters during his DC speech.

Pres Obama again called for strong and immediate action on gun control, he wants “real action-right now” He wants to pass legislation on an assault weapon ban, stop private gun sales without a background check and possibly limit the number of rounds in magazines. Several Congressional gun-rights supporters said they would consider passing new gun control legislation.

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Mickey T December 21, 2012 at 12:29

What about the rights of the small children not to get shot up and killed before their bodies and brain ever develop. That’s our responsibility, women and those other despicable people will never take responsibility, but only continue to cause only cause more carnage.

We failed ourselves, and we failed our children.

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zed December 21, 2012 at 12:36

Does anybody really think the general public knows the difference between an “assault rifle” and an “assault weapon” ?

A baseball bat can be an “assault weapon” if someone chooses to use it to assault someone. Or, it can be used to hit baseballs.

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The First Joe December 21, 2012 at 13:26

@Mickey T – scroll back up and read through the list of school murders since the 1850s, that I linked. The greatest death toll was in 1927 – not by sooting either… Closely followed by a 1940 shooting.
This is NOT a recent phenomenon.
Nor is it solely a US phenomenon. It happens in countries like Germany where firearma re much more restricted, and China, where maniacs use knives, axes and vehicles on killing sprees.

By the way, if you REALLY care about childrens’ lives, and are not just thinking what your TV tells you -
- Since Obama took power: US drones have killed more three times the death toll of children seen in Sandy Hook, over in Pakistan. I hope you’re demanding Congress stop that!?
- 20,000 plus people are murdered in Mexico per annum, largely in the crossfire due to the bullshit Prohibition called the “War on Drugs”, which has given massive money and power to Los Narcos. So, I hope you’re campaigning to end drug prohibition and save those lives? (That’s 2/3rds the population of US = 3 times the US murder rate, Mexico has VERY restricted gun ownership, by the way)
- 32,000 people are killed on US roads every year, more than three times those killed by guns, so I hope you are campaigning for more regulation of cars!
- 4,500 poor kids die of dysentry due to dirty water EVERY FUCKING DAY. And the world has the tech. to fix this. I hope you’re pushing your Congressman on that, too.

Of course, none of that^ is on your telly…

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The First Joe December 21, 2012 at 13:30

“shooting”
curse lack of edit.

Also:
$64 question – why isn’t any of that^ on your TV?

Mmmmayyybe, because it doesn’t serve the agendas of the Assholes In Charge for the masses to know or care about those children??

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Charles Martel December 21, 2012 at 13:53

Jaego
Also credit where credit is due: some of the Ladies at the Newtown school tried to fight back and protect the students.

I’d like to think that’s true and it may well be. If the Sandy Hook Principal, Dawn Hochsprung, died in an attempt to rush the gunman, Adam Lanza, she deserves all the credit we can give her.

Unfortunately, in our brave new world of PC-controlled communications we just can’t know if what the MSM tells us is true. Danw Hochsprung may be a hero or she may be another Private Jessica Lynch, who as we know fought to the last bullet – not.

The first casualty of political correctness is objective reality.

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highwasp December 21, 2012 at 14:05

thanks to you too Towgunner – I’ll copy your post and put a few returns into the massive body of text and read it this weekend. I appreciate the responses.

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Mickey T December 21, 2012 at 15:00

RE: Dec 21, 2012 – 12:36

No, not in the context of this discussion.
The rifle is fully automatic- the weapon is not (among other things).
We must not call a weapon a rifle because people will think of a machine gun and make matters.

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Mickey T December 21, 2012 at 16:24

Anonymous reader, do you really think I intentionally misused words to increase emotion??
If you don’t recognize your enemy, you will always be a loser.
Answer my question.

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Charles Martel December 21, 2012 at 16:55

For those of you who don’t know Mark Steyn, he has an incandescently brilliant article on the Newtown shootings at the National Review Online:

The Massacre of the Innocents

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Mickey T December 21, 2012 at 17:19

Lyn Dec 20, 2012

“I probably know a lot more about firearms than you”

If you were a military officer who I was paying to protect the country, you damn well better know more about firearms than me.

“you persist assault weapon, AR 15 , assault rifle……………..”

What ever you say, Lyn. I think everybody knows what I meant. I’ll try to remember the differences you mention. It’ll help if I’m ever quized.

“10 rounder”??

It’s probably worth more than my “hard to get” 18 rounders.

“I understand politics just fine”

Then you aware of the crisis we are in, the only way out, and you are into some type of political activism. Tell me about it some time.

“pimped out” ??

That’s low, to demean a man’s gun like that. Didn’t they ever teach you some respect in the service??
I have this thing about Smith K frame .357 as well as good copies. When I saw that gun in the dealer’s case. it was love at first sight. I bought it and immediately sent it up to Smith to complete the engraving.

You go from amusing to good natured, to obnoxious at 1000fps. Which is it?? That’s OK.

BTW- Don’t pimp type people use your kind of Rambo pieces.

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Mickey T December 21, 2012 at 17:22

It’s hell being one man in the big bad world, Joe.
Oh how I wish there were more of me.
But it’s comforts me to know there are good men like you out there.

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oddsock December 21, 2012 at 17:53

Yes Charles Martel

This is what I am trying to get across to Keyster and Mickey T

The end of the world as we know it – Mark Steyn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQELHJx8Vf0

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evilwhitemalempire December 22, 2012 at 03:54

Today, NRA head, Wayne La Pierre, called for an armed police officer to be stationed in every American school. He said: “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun”. He was heckled by two protesters during his DC speech.

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that’s because the good guy is the citizen and the bad guy is the government

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Mickey T December 22, 2012 at 07:17

Jaego-

When a pregnant woman wants the baby, the proper term for the baby is “unborn baby”

When a pregnant woman doesn’t want the baby, the proper term would be “fetus”

So, the man you speak of, actually killed the unborn baby so he should be charged accordingly, in spite of the fact that the baby is not legally considered a “citizen” (with all applicable rights) until he/she breaths his/her first breath.

But Obama and the fems are working on the right for the woman to legally kill the baby in cases of botched abortions (baby born alive).
Not that they’re not already doing it, but passing a law which allows for post birth abortion will make it more convenient and frequent.

Sanctity of human life?? Not when fems/dems/libs/ leftys are involved. Our culture has created a class of goddesses.

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Mickey T December 22, 2012 at 08:02

I should have mentioned that the fems have many other similar bills etc which they are working hard on. The fems etc are devaluing human life in order to reach their desired agenda and fulfill their ideology. First it was inside the womb, now it’s newly just outside the womb, and they are talking about a trial period for the mother. How long, I don’t know. We may be seeing some of the effects of their agenda up at Newtown.

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Lyn87 December 23, 2012 at 15:58

Mike,

I’ve been gone for a couple of days and I’m just catching up on what I missed. You still don’t get it. You still feel that “temporarily” banning the purchasing and/or possession of $1000 small-caliber, semi-automatic carbines by law-abiding citizens will prevent stuff like this. It won’t.

You still don’t see how labeling something as an “assault weapon” is detrimental. Most people don’t know squat about firearms, and allowing anti-freedom politicians to mis-characterize these common weapons is BAD. Soccer moms and pussified male voters already equate average, medium-power firearms with “weapons of war” and, yes, machine guns, rather than what they are. What’s next?

Any semi-auto carbine or rifle with a detachable magazine becomes an “assault weapon.”

Every shoulder-fired firearm with a scope becomes a “sniper rifle.”

Carriage guns become “sawed-off shotguns.”

Any shotgun that holds more than three rounds becomes a “street sweeper.”

Any snub-nose revolver or pistol becomes a “Saturday Night Special.”

Any pistol with a polymer frame becomes a “Plastic pistol” that can go right through an airport metal detector (as if…).

Expanding (i.e. common hollow-point) projectiles become “exploding bullets.”

Ball ammunition becomes “armor piercing.”

What’s going to be left that is acceptable? Oh, I suppose fancy stainless revolvers with custom grips and laser etching aren’t scary enough to “remove from public view.” Now I see where you’re coming from.

You wrote,

Your focusing on chicken shit, while you are being buried deeper in cow shit.

Gun-grabbers WANT to confuse the issue. You, as a former FFL holder, ought to take care to use correct terminology rather than emotion-inducing labels like “assault weapon.” Then you have the nerve to write, “Stop farting around, Anonymous, you and lin know damn well I meant a semi-auto.” Well if you meant semi-auto, why not just say it? You didn’t say it because you wanted to keep saying “assault weapon” or “assault rifle” even though you know good and well that the only “assault weapons” at the scene were brought there by the cops. You aid and abet those who wish to obfuscate the issue by using deliberately misleading labels.

And why not? You agree with their aims. You said so right here:

I’m not saying the gov’t should come pounding on your door in the middle of the night to confiscate. I say that these types of weapons be removed from public view until such time that we have this crisis somewhat under control. I would also temporarily *(being optimistic) stop the sale of these weapons.

Although you don’t seem to realize that the only way to remove them from view is for the government to confiscate them by force, and furthermore, THERE IS NO GUN CRISIS.

I also realize some feel as though the considered restrictions/ban is another infringement on our rights, I agree, but I also think I must sacrifice something for the good of all. (– just live every other law that chips away at liberty–) A small restriction now may help some kids which would be a great reward for such a small inconvenience, if that at all.

Aaaaaand there it is – “We must empower the government for the sake of the chiiiiiiiiiildren.
And there’s more:

What about the rights of the small children not to get shot up and killed before their bodies and brain ever develop. That’s our responsibility, women and those other despicable people will never take responsibility, but only continue to cause only cause more carnage.

We failed ourselves, and we failed our children.

I’m sorry, but that is NOT my responsibility, nor is it the responsibility of anyone here. There is no “we failed” here at all. I did not fail anybody. I was not at the Sandy Hook School and neither were you. No men were. And even if you or I had been there we would have been legally prohibited from having the means to stop the attack. You can blame the cops who enforce unconstitutional anti-gun laws in Connecticut. You can blame the legislature that passed those laws. You can blame the idiot voters of Connecticut who vote for politicians who create these “gun-free” zones. You can blame the whole Misandry-Industrial-Complex for creating a generation of fatherless boys. You can blame the ACLU for doing everything in their power to push for the wholesale de-institutionalization of people with severe mental illness. But you cannot blame any “we” or “us” that includes me or any other law-abiding gun owner, with the possible exception of the shooter’s mother.

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zed December 23, 2012 at 18:39

You, as a former FFL holder, ought to take care to use correct terminology rather than emotion-inducing labels like “assault weapon.”

He’s lying, Lyn. He is no more a former FFL holder than I am a former ambassador to the Soviet Union. All he is doing is throwing out buzzwords thinking that knowing them will impress someone.

I say that these types of weapons be removed from public view until such time that we have this crisis somewhat under control. I would also temporarily *(being optimistic) stop the sale of these weapons.

Although you don’t seem to realize that the only way to remove them from view is for the government to confiscate them by force, and furthermore, THERE IS NO GUN CRISIS.

As I posted above, the gun-grabbers are counting on the rage induced by the pictures of those slaughtered children to shock people and get them to react emotionally and not read the fine print. There is an old manipulative principle – “Create and sustain a sense of urgency.”

Yes, it is very “urgent” that we DO SOMETHING, RIGHT NOW, without thinking through the implications.

Joe Biden is on it.

So, get ready for a very urgent push to pass a whole lot of “Gun Violence Against Children Acts” (GVACAs) which will be used against average men to strip them of their rights and create huge bureaucracies.

A small restriction now may help some kids which would be a great reward for such a small inconvenience, if that at all.

Aaaaaand there it is – “We must empower the government for the sake of the chiiiiiiiiiildren.”

Yup, you are seeing the work of a very slick concern troll here, Lyn. They can be very subtle about introducing their talking points, and really good at suckering people into reacting to those points. Slowly they turn the conversation around 180 degrees from where it started.

And, when anyone tries to get the conversation back on track, you can guarantee that the concern troll will start screaming –
“But, what about the chiiiiiiiiiildren.?
Won’t someone think of the chiiiiiiiiiildren?
Why are you all against doing something for the chiiiiiiiiiildren?

And so it goes.

Never mind that we have had a “War on Drugs” since Nixon declared the War on Drugs in 1971, and I can score any number of prohibited drugs within an hour and 10 miles of my house, 41 years later.

And, never mind things like the interment of US citizens with Japanese ancestry during WW II – along with confiscation of their property.

“Why are you all against doing something for the chiiiiiiiiiildren?”

Well, for one thing, it is astonishing what duly appointed representatives of governments – you know, the ones that everyone seems to believe should be able to keep their guns – have done to “the chiiiiiiiiiildren” over the years.
the children

the children

For another, no piece of legislation gets passed which is only, or in many cases primarily about the excuses used to justify its passage.

I mean, how could anyone be against providing relief to those people who were affected by Hurricane Sandy? That is like being against doing something to protect “the chiiiiiiiiiildren.” Except, there is a whole lot more spending being earmarked than what would really go to help the chiiiiiiiiiildren and adults in the area affected by Sandy –
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-19/the-debate-over-divvying-up-hurricane-sandy-relief-money

Plus, I can’t quite get how $150,000,000 for Alaskan Fisheries, $41,000,000 for military bases (including Guantanamo), $4,000,000 for the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, and $2,000,000 for the Smithsonian are really going to help people in NY & NJ rebuild.

But, we must remember that is all for the chiiiiiiiiiildren?

gun control works

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oddsock December 23, 2012 at 19:23

Guys, apologies for butting in here. I think arguing over what description is given is quite absurd. Surely any gun that fires a bullet capable of killing is an “assault weapon” ?

No disrespect meant to any of you but arguing over semantics is just dick waving perhaps for some, an agenda.

From what I can gather, you can’t have a fully armed population and a police state at the same time. One will always have to go regardless of what label government is in power. Ironically, this is the same tactic the feminists used and still using to remove power. Problem reaction solution.

IMHO the Gun confiscation will continue perhaps at a slightly increased rate until/unless there is some major stand off and shoot out, after which the government ( any label) will have a major clean up of guns regardless of any 2nd amendment.

We can only hope it never comes to such a stand off.

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Mickey T December 24, 2012 at 09:57

Lyn,

You need to put away the macro lens and check with your favorite opthamologist for signs of myopia.

The name we use for the guns (that ok?) which are frequently used by criminals and mass murderers etc,which we are discussing here, is, as I said before, irrelevant. The general public knows (take a poll) the guns aren’t fully automatic, but they are designed to kill humans. Although I didn’t bother with assault type guns in my heyday of shooting, I still didn’t even know that the trerm: assault rifle refers to a fully automatic long (our term). When you pointed that out to me, I checked with credible sources for the validity of you claim. Sure enough, you were correct and I no longer used the “rifle” word in an inappropriate way.The sources stated that the term: “assault weapon’ refers to an assault type gon similar in appearance and mechanical works (carbine) to an “assault rifle”. How about we call the type of gun used at Newtown, a corn muffin? The gun is designed to kill and it has an appeal to some people who have bad intentions and you have to know that. It’s more efficient than my “pimp gun”.

It’s irrelevant, Lyn. You are wasting my time and your time.

As far as your rights being eroded, you are right. But we’ve been eroded, bulldozed, backhoed and more for the last forty years. It souds like a man who just got a thirty year sentence for a crime he didn’t commit, but he’s fighting an additional 60 day sentence.

I’d like to explain some things to you and give you a little advice, my friend:
Firstly, to save typing, I’m going to abbreviate fem/dem/lib/left to FDLL. The reason they should be grouped together should be discussed another time.
The FDLL has always lied and deceived. They have no principals or limits.Expect it, it’s part of their MO and we have to work with it. This tragedy in Newtown, to many of them, is more of an opportunity to further agenda. From what I’ve seen so far, there is a good chance of passing some anti-gun legislation. Despite that, the FDLL WANTS the pro-gun people to vigorously protest and resist the passage of this legislation in order to discredit us.. It will be their golden opportunity to show the country that we are nothing more than violent Neanderthals and we don’t care if our children are slaughtered. That we should not be taken seriously and kept under control.

You can complain and bitch all you want to each other, but I recommend you don’t participate in any pro-gun public, political, financial etc activity. The NRA is a very powerful lobbying group in Washington and they have the savvy we need to get through this thing with as little damage as possible. I suggest you follow the lead of the NRA.

I believe some light legislation on these guns now, may have some positive affect in the larger picture, for reasons I’ve described previously, in trying to help this ailing society. I also believe that our culture will soon reach critical mass.

Of course we don’t have a gun crisis, we have a culture crisis.

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Mickey T December 24, 2012 at 10:21

Lyn,

I should have mentioned that much of the time, moderates decide who wins an election. The FDLL will strongly appeal to them and may very well succeed in convincing these moderates that an anti-gun candidate is best suited to serve. Believe me, it often works.

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Mickey T December 24, 2012 at 11:25

Also, if more anti-gun candidates (FDLL) get elected because of this situation , they will certainly work toward taking more of men’s rights away, and empower women even more..
Should have added that, along with larger issues, some light gun restriction legislation might help ease this curse which is upon us.

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Mickey T December 24, 2012 at 12:51

oddsock.

If you read my delayed o9:57 you probably wouldn’t have written the first part of your 19:23. I’ve said that before as well. I agree.
As far as a police state, in the US there is NOTHING the citizens can do, other than get maimed or killed trying to stop the gov’t from doing what it wants to do. The only hope would be to have “small gov’t” people in power.

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Lyn87 December 24, 2012 at 13:18

Mike,

Lyn. You are wasting my time and your time.

Personally I would change it to read, “You and I are wasting each other’s time,” since there is little middle ground between our positions with regard to banning certain types of firearms. But my internet arguing is less about changing your mind (which seems to be made up), and more about reaching undecided people who may be reading.

Given that, I’ll give this one last try at the philosophical level. I propose the following:

The right to self defense is an absolute right. If someone prevents you from having the means to defend yourself he/she assumes an absolute responsibility to assure your safety (since justice requires that rights must be balanced by equal corresponding responsibilities). By absolute responsibility I mean he/she incurs what lawyers call strict liability with regard to your safety.

Do you agree with that proposition?

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Anonymous December 24, 2012 at 13:34

Mikey T

Yes I did read your comment I was just adding my views. Trouble is you are never going to get such a government without some major crisis and reset. Ain’t gonna happen this is why I keep telling keyster that a political solution for men and/or the MRA is pissing in the wind

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beta_plus December 24, 2012 at 14:38

This is what places like the Netherlands, Denmark, and the UK (not as much as they used to) do. But American liberals are not interested in giving up power over those who they hate.

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Ray December 24, 2012 at 16:31

In more recent articles about gun violence, and/or gun violence in schools, I’m seeing more and more targeting “white males” as “the problem.”

The propaganda of the “race (white), class (Patriarchy), and gender (male)” war is being regularly spewed from leftist teacher’s podiums in taxpayer-funded classrooms all across America as shown in “Marxist Valley College” at Youtube. http://tinyurl.com/7ub3dv7 No matter you’re political beliefs, if you question them, or (heaven forbid) disagree with them, they label you as “right wing,” etc. The vitriolic indoctrination from these Marxist-feminist, hate-mongering bigots should be looked at more closely in connection with all school shootings, IMO.

To what extent has that Marxist-feminist agenda become a “self-fulfilling prophecy through the “Pygmallion effect?” http://tinyurl.com/d9ogkb6 “The Pygmalion effect (or Rosenthal effect) refers to situations in which students perform better than other students simply because they are expected to do so. “And what happens to all those male students who prejudiced, Marxist-feminist teachers have a negative bias (negative expectation) against?

If you look at the current Marxist-feminist “race, class, and gender” hate-war that’s being waged in American society, it’s the white male who’s being made the bullseye in the target http://tinyurl.com/2esejms and it’s a white male who’s listed as the shooter in many of these shootings. What’s the nature of that correlation as a result of institutionalization of misandrist, self-fulfilling prophecies by Marxist-feminist teachers?

Go to Amazon.com some time and type “race, class, and gender” in the search field of the book section and just watch what comes up. Many of those books are used in classrooms to vilify and witch-hunt males, especially white ones, who Marxist-feminist teachers, instructors, professors etc. allege to be privileged by “Patriarchy.”

Yea, lets’s do some real talking about “CAUSALITY” in these school shooting cases, only let’s put the focus on all those hatefully bigoted, MISANDRIST, Marxist-feminist educators who are running amok in our tax-payer funded public education system. :-/

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Anonymous December 25, 2012 at 06:11

Modern left/liberal tyranny: Ban guns, let thugs/hoodlums keep the law-abiding folk cowed, overlording bureaucrats have no responsibilities but to issue further edicts, protect only people they like and punish orney folk for self-defense. (Look at England… of course, they’re about to be conquered by jihadists and turned in another sharia-ruled nation, but left/liberal Eurosocialists there have “free” gov’t healthcare and lots of benefits for the time being.)

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Mickey T December 25, 2012 at 08:57

lyn-13;18 It sounds reasonable.

It is far more likely that a man/child will be harmed by a women, rather than a criminal on an unarmed citizen. Or, should I say, a citizen with standard civilian guns without hi capacity magazines or assault guns.

Do you agree that our (US) gov’t should offer some form of defense through the of passing laws, amending laws or repealing laws which show a a great disadvantage of one group of people over others??

“I was publicly opposing gun control as far back as the 1990s”

It was 1994 when the assault weapon and hi capacity magazine ban passed into law, and oddly enough, that was the same year the infamous male, child oppressing VAWA was passed into law.

Assuming you were an alert and well informed man in the 1990s, you must have made greater efforts to oppose the passage of VAWA into law. If you didn’t and still don’t today, with all the evidence available showing the destructive effects of VAWA, you are a part of the problem.

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Mickey T December 25, 2012 at 11:57

If anyone is interested, I suggest the following start in the gun law/fem law area to establish a sense of appropriate and reasonable priorities:

Since it has had an enormous negative impact on almost all men, children, families etc, research the first ten years VAWA, including how it came about. Then compare the damage IT has caused with the damage (if any) of the assault weapon and hi-cap magazine ban, which lasted from 1994 to 2004.

I’m not saying not to fight for your gun rights, and I don’t give a rat’s ass if responsible and competent people have all the assault weapons and hi-cap mags they desire. But I AM saying it is NOT responsible to expose the current generations of un-parented, miss-parented and neglected young of today’s feminist controlled culture. From what I know about thr Newtown incident so far, I strongly suspect that Adam Lanza’s mother did exactly that. Who knows how old he was when/if she first introduced him to guns.

Also, other than the VERY wealthy and/or well connected, it’s foolish to believe, because they have guns, the gov’t won’t break down a citizen’s door in the middle of the night and confiscate what the want and haul them off to jail for no reason. Probably too foolish to own guns.

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Lyn87 December 25, 2012 at 12:58

Mike,

You agreed to this,

The right to self defense is an absolute right. If someone prevents you from having the means to defend yourself he/she assumes an absolute responsibility to assure your safety (since justice requires that rights must be balanced by equal corresponding responsibilities). By absolute responsibility I mean he/she incurs what lawyers call strict liability with regard to your safety.

That means that every legislator who votes for gun control, every governor or president who signs those bills into law, and every cop who enforces those laws, is personally responsible for my personal safety at all times, as well as the personal safety of every single member of the public who they force to be unarmed or sub-optimally armed. If I am prohibited from being armed as I wish and I get robbed, every single one of them is personally guilty of robbery. If I am murdered, every single one of them is personally guilty of murder. Prima facia guilt – that is the strict liability they incur for failing to defend me whenever they prevent me from defending myself, and I’m glad that you and I agree on that. I suspect we won’t find any politicians or cops willing to shoulder the responsibility they incur when they prohibit the means of self-defense, though…

If you think our prisons are full now… just wait until we put every anti-gun politician and every cop who enforces those laws into prison for the crimes they are responsible for because they prevent people from having the means to defend themselves. Every anti-gun politician in Connecticut, and every cop in Sandy Hook is guilty of 26 counts of murder, because THEY ensured that no-one there would be armed. They are every bit as responsible for the carnage that claimed the lives of the victims as Adam Lanza himself.

I’m glad we were able to settle that.

I have a much simpler solution: stop hindering people from arming themselves as they wish so they can be responsible for their own safety.

On to VAWA: I was, unfortunately, not nearly as aware of VAWA as I was of gun-control legislation during the 1990′s. I’m not sure that makes me “part of the problem,” but at the time I didn’t know enough to be part of the solution. I vaguely recall thinking it was hypocritical to create sex-specific crimes, though.

Around the same time my brother was going through a nasty divorce involving adultery, false claims of sexual abuse, and interstate child kidnapping (all by his Churchian “reformed slut” wife), so I knew the system was whacked, but I certainly didn’t know then what I know now. And anyway, the cops didn’t believe her for a moment, and he ended up getting primary custody in the end, so the system “worked,” more-or-less, for him.

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Jean Valjean December 25, 2012 at 14:04

I think the major problem in the war on guns is that the right hasn’t come up with a compromise to quell gun violence in the U.S. They not only want their guns but they don’t really care who else gets them.

Yes the Liberals have their agenda but the Right has an agenda that is funded by the gun industry. These corporations have no other agenda other than profit and if they sell a million guns this year and half of them go to criminals and death squads then they have no problem with that.

I think a compromise can be had though. We don’t have to take the guns away but rather attach stiff penalties on the gun owners themselves.

For instance, Adam Lanza’s mother failed to secure her firearms and as a result she was killed and so were a lot of other people. Had she an an OBLIGATION to secure her firearms and stiff financial penalties been attached to failure to secure those firearms then she and a lot of other people might still be alive today.

There are gun dealers and retailers who sell guns to people and those people must get a background check. This is reasonable. But then those people sell those guns to other people who don’t get a background check.

Every gun sold should have the ballistics recorded, the serial number recorded, and the name of the owner should be attached to this weapon forever or until he or she sells it. Then the new owner must have a background check and be responsible for this gun.

This is what gun “control” should be. We have no right to prohibit or limit the sale of guns to honest upstanding citizens, but those citizens must take responsibility for the weapons they own. If they leave their rifle in the window of their truck and it gets stolen they should bear some of the financial responsibility for what happens with that weapon.

In this way the gun industry can sell all the guns they want and those guns won’t easily end up in the hands of criminals. The gun owners themselves will be in charge of the actual gun control.

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oddsock December 25, 2012 at 16:25

Mickey T Lyn87

Its interesting to read all your comments especially on the technical side of things.

If I may add an observation ? You both obviously know your stuff but its getting very much into a dick waving contest with both of you just touching on things that are so plain for others to see.

We have some members want to shout its all the leftists fault damned socialists cultural marxists with their plans to destroy the family and America using feminists as the useful idiots, then comes the cry for right wing conservative small governments. Republicans, they will sort it out. LMFAO.

Neither side gives a flying fuck about men or the American constitution for that matter. Look, if the PTB decide they need to disarm the American people, they will and there is feck all any of you can do about it. Forgive me for being blunt, no offence intended but why you are all arguing over who has an engraved handle on some spud gun ( look it up) and other pointless details, they, the PTB have been walking all over your consititution and often using it as toilet paper while laughing AT you and been doing it for many years.

You know why? Because so many of you still believe you have some power via the political process. As the late great George Carlin said “Its a big club and you ain’t in it”.

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Lyn87 December 25, 2012 at 21:00

Oddsock,

I don’t see any justification for your characterization of our debate as “dick waving,” but whatever. We both feel strongly about this. I’m aware that the PTB have the ability to do a lot of damage – what I do not agree with is the idea that an armed citizenry cannot do anything about it. I’ve seen first-hand how much trouble a bunch of pissed-off semi-literate Afghan peasants with low-tech weaponry can cause. There is a reason why every genocidal regime turns to gun control early. It even works at the micro level: Adam Lanza and others like him often take advantage of the fact that gun control renders their intended victims defenseless from their own “personal genocides.”

With the exception of RPG’s, American gun owners are FAR better armed than the Taliban, and there are a lot more of us. The number of active insurgents in Afghanistan is a fraction of the number of first-world troops trying to defeat them. Imagine if the ratio was reversed, and the “insurgents” were made up of educated, well supplied, and well-armed Americans? AND a significant number of troops and their commanders were serious about their oaths to support and defend the Constitution the insurgents were fighting to restore. In Afghanistan the coalition uses heavy weaponry – most of that weaponry would be of very limited utility against a home-grown insurgency. The only way they could win would be if they had the foreknowledge of who was likely to fight and who had serious weapons.

I would like to deny them that information, and encourage the widespread distribution of infantry weapons among the standing militia (average citizens). Not because I intent to take up arms against my nation, but so that I never have to.

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oddsock December 26, 2012 at 00:40

Lyn87

Seasons greetings

Not that it matters that much but the reason I say its ” turning into a dick waving contest” is because you both make good points but pretty pointless given that as you partly acknowledge, there is little either of you could do about it.

I take your point about Afghans etc but lets not forget, war and fighting is a way of life to them plus lets not forget they also defeated the British then the Russians what on earth makes the Americans think they can win ? I’ll tell you what it is, its a sad loss of young American mens lives for protecting the Opium trade and a gas pipe line or maybe thats the American definition of bringing democracy to a country ?

Afghans are not American citizens or American soldiers I still doubt very much except for a few die hards there is much chance of American fighting American and even if there is a few firefights right after the first bust up your government would come in and take the guns regardless and all this second amendment and come and take them ( guns ) crap is just more dick waving and you know it. Aint ever going to happen. Just look what the TSA does to your families, hey but never mind you can always vote republican, next time.

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oddsock December 26, 2012 at 01:44

Mickey T Lyn87

Not sure how true this is but I thought you both might find it interesting. If its true? What’s stopping this from happening all across the USA ? Just imagine another tragedy like Sandy Hook happening and everyone with a gun could be identified resulting in vigilante groups, probably angry women, backed by feminists camped outside your house. I suppose you could always try and explain logically to them your reasons for having a gun and maybe the 2nd amendment ? We all know how effective that approach with women has been so far.

You don’t suppose your government could be behind this and do such a thing do you ? Damn those cultural marxists/socialists. Maybe they are just jelous of your freedom?

Hey, ignore me I am just a conspiracy nut ( 49 million on food stamps and rising)

Legal gun owners in New York outed like sex offenders

http://www.infowars.com/legal-gun-owners-in-new-york-outed-like-sex-offenders/

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zed December 26, 2012 at 06:36

I think the major problem in the war on guns

There is something very surreal about the use of the phrase “war on guns” in a discussion about how to curb violence.

Maybe we just jump to the ultimate level and declare “war on war.”

Meanwhile, in Syria –
http://news.yahoo.com/air-strike-kills-dozens-syrians-trying-buy-bread-162222977.html

Air strike kills dozens of Syrians waiting to buy bread

BEIRUT (Reuters) – Dozens of people were killed and many more wounded in a Syrian government air strike that hit a bakery where a crowd was queuing for bread on Sunday, activists said.

Videos uploaded by activists showed dozens of bloodstained corpses lying amid rubble and shrapnel. An adolescent boy with both his feet blown off lay flailing in the middle of a road.

http://news.yahoo.com/dozens-killed-air-strike-bakery-central-syria-154943287.html

Dozens killed in air strike on bakery in central Syria

BEIRUT (Reuters) –
Dozens of people were killed and wounded in an air strike on a bakery in Syria’s central Hama province on Sunday, activists said, with some reporting up to 200 dead.

“There is no way to really know yet how many people were killed. When I got there, I could see piles of bodies all over the ground. There were women and children,” said Samer al-Hamawi, an activist in the town of Halfaya, where the strike hit. “There are also dozens of wounded people”

If Lanza had waited a few more years, and joined the military, perhaps some government would have put him in the pilot seat of a real “assault weapon”.

If people in the blue states want to disarm themselves, and turn themselves over to “the government” for protection, then the concept of state’s rights would allow them to do that. If that government ever turns on them, at least some of the people in the red states would still be in a position to fight back.

Unfortunately, the blue staters seem to want to impose their will on everyone else.

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oddsock December 26, 2012 at 09:33

Dr Paul Craig Roberts

Amazing read. This is a short article he posted after his interview with Russia Today regarding the Connecticut shooting.

Hey Keyster, it would appear I am sharing my tin foil hat with some of the upper echelons of society . Who woulda thunk that ?

Agenda Driven News.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/12/19/agenda-driven-news/

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Mickey T December 26, 2012 at 15:09

oddsock,

“dick waiving……constitution……..”??
Maybe if you reread the exchanges…….

Lyn,

I hate to say this about my countrymen, but I have my doubts about today’s American men having the balls that Afghan men have.

WE CAN’T EVEN STAND UP TO OUR WOMEN, we’re going to stand up to the US military??
How many Black Hawk helicopters (and pilots) do we have stockpiled?? That’s OK.

Correction: “…..NOT responsible to expose the current generations of un-parented, mis-parented, neglected young of today, to assault weapons.

Off Topic-

It’s been reported that an Afghan policewoman killed an American contractor (man) today. She is a citizen of Iraq/Iran (sorry) and she has been qouted as saying, “I went there to kill someone important”.
Seems she walked up behind the man, and shot him dead with a gun she had concealed.

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zed December 26, 2012 at 17:50

Returning to Bill’s original point that this incident is going to be used to whip up public sentiment undermining the US constitution, a really interesting twist has recently surfaced – pitting supporters of the 1st & 2nd amendment against each other.

It began with a Gannett newspaper publishing all the names and addresses of gun permit holders in 3 counties near NYC. They have an interactive map which allows people to go neighborhood by neighborhood and street by street and see the name and address of every permit holder. At least 1 website has fired back by publishing the name and home addresses of Gannett’s publisher, CEO, a bunch of their reporters and other staff.
http://christopherfountain.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sauce-for-the-goose/

Instapundit picked up on it –
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/160286/

Then, NY Senator Greg Ball vowed to introduce a bill in the NY senate to ban disclosure of such information except to law enforcement officials involved in active investigations.
http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/politicker-state-senator-slams-asinine-newspaper-editors-who-published-gun-permit-map

And, of course, most people have heard about the petition to deport Piers Morgan for his recent comments in interviews with supporters of the 2nd amendment.

For the MSM to risk the amendment on which their industry depends to go after another amendment seems a lot like shooting themselves in the feet – pun intended. If there is any significant increase in crime in the neighborhoods they profiled – either against gun owners or against the residences which have been publicly declared “gun free residences” – their lawyers are going to be busy, and it is not likely that the press will come out of this without some new restrictions on their own freedoms.

Interesting timing to all this – given that major tax hikes and spending cuts will kick in in less than one week.

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Mickey T December 26, 2012 at 17:54

The news reported today that a New York (state) newspaper published the names and addresses of all gun permit holders in their area.

Off Topic-

Sec’y of State, Hillary Clinton is still MIA, possibly related to the “concussion” she suffered from 2 weeks ago, and the “stomach virus, an ugly stomach virus, she was dehydrated and she fainted” 1 wwek ago.
Congress still waits for her testimony regarding the Benghazi.murders, as it occurred on her watch.

Talk about eroding men’s rights. Imagine a radical feminist being the most powerful person, not only in the US, but the WORLD.

It could happen.

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oddsock December 26, 2012 at 18:29

Mickey T

Come on mate, you forget I am on the same side as you.

With respect, can you not see the contradictions in what you say and it has little to do with American men not having the balls to stand up to your women. You know as well as I do this affects the anglosphere not just America.

Just to clarify, any man that tries to make a stand against his woman, any woman for that matter is inviting the wrath of every government agency with supporting white knights, all other supporting agencies, jail, loss of job, criminal record, false accusation, loss of kids, assets divorce, alimony, child support etc etc and thats just for starters. However, there are other alternatives such as MGTOW but if you think men are not men or dont have the balls to make a stand against the earlier list then I totally disagree with you. Feckin smart is what I would call them.

So here is the conundrum Mickey. What is a guy to do ? And please dont take this the wrong way. Where is your constitution for these guys ? Do you really honestly think by voting for ANY political party will make the slightest difference to the plight of men ? P.S and you are too old and long in the tooth to buy the snake oil and pipe dreams of the likes of Keyster and Co for some political solution aimed towards helping men.

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Mickey T December 26, 2012 at 18:52

17:50 was not up when I posted 17:54

This map thing is very interesting. The city where the newspaper is based is my home town, but I’ve been out of there for many years. They have a well deserved reputation for things like this.

The city (White Plains) is obviously very liberal. It’s dem over repub 2 to 1. The city had/has a dem mayor who interestingly got elected today. The state also has dem govenor. Party in power may, or may not be relevant here, but politics often trumps all else.

It seems the people who are the most upset about this map being published are the non gun owners. The say it might make them easy targets for criminals. I agree, it’s proven that many times just the presence of a gun is a crime deterrent. When my business got robbed, I armed up and always made that fact well known. In the 15 or so more years in business I never got robbed again Of course, I can’t be sure if it because I was armed.

I know the area so FYI: The greatest concentration of gun owners are in the areas bordering NYC (the Bronx), as you go north it thins out, but the wealthiest areas mid county (Westchester County is one of the wealthiest counties in the country, at one time I believe it was THE wealthiest) have a good concentration. As you go to the northern part of the county, it’s the thinnest with the exception of a mid sized high crime city to the west on the Hudson river.

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Mickey T December 27, 2012 at 11:13

oddsock

Bef0re Paul Elam started the AVFM blog we used to debate in the Classmates political debates. It seemed as if he blamed the whole fiasco on men. He wouldn’t let up. I told him there are, for example, many men whose children are under the “care” of their mother and if the mothers didn’t get her way, she will take it out on the children……………………………. So, I agree that a good part of the problem is the feminist manipulation of the gov’t (lawmakers) and men let it happen.. But in time, with much work and sacrifice on the part of men things could begin to improve. That’s what Keyster and I have been trying to tell you guys. I know it can happen if enough men are aware that they NOT totally impotent and are willing to act. Men are their own worst enemies and women know it.

You bring up good points, misguided as some are (with respect), so I’ll get back to you, if that’s ok.

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oddsock December 27, 2012 at 13:34

Mickey T

Great stuff.

I would suggest it is not so much a case of myself being misguided, more of a seeing things from a larger viewpoint, bigger picture etc.

This is perhaps what frustrates me the most when I see the constant reference to some cultural marxist plot or socialism. You see, yes I agree on many of the points both of you raise regarding the damage and cost etc but it is not and never has been some conspiracy by the left. It is the banking cartels the central banks etc a move towards globalism, something I was warning about for some years. Do you remember Mickey when I was warning that America was going to have a very hard landing having the furthest to fall etc ? I was called a conspiracy nut back then, not so much now with recent events food stamps tent cities etc .

So, if we want to stick with labels etc and I mean this with no disrespect to either of you. Keyster and yourself see the problems at the base level ie socialism and cultural marxism and I see the problems as facism and global corporatism which I must add, are only using the guise of welfare and nany state to bring about the ultimate goal of reducing the mass populations to servitude and dependency with women leading the way.

Hence, I do not believe taking part in keeping the system alive and also why I believe that voting is a farce for ANY political party. Its just smoke and mirrors for us plebs.

Regarding Paul Elam; I still can’t figure the guy out or what he wants ? What I find so sad is that regardless of any AVfM general view points or political stance it appears to have been a great opportunity missed. AVfM could have had a hell of a lot more support and members but so many men were driven away with some bizzare tizzy fits. Quite odd really and thats the main reason I can’t get behind them. Maybe he is still blaming all men as in any man that doesn’t agree with him to be the cause ?

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Mickey T December 28, 2012 at 16:32

oddsock,

A man is always looking at the “bigger picture” when he is sure he’s right. I’m focusing on the US, and that will include the planet and the Universe. My mind is not capable of going any further than that. I believe that if American men take their “rightful” place in society, ……………………………………………the rest will eventually improve.

Paul is basically right. The only man who is totally without fault, in situations as I’ve described above, is only if he is aware of how his condition came about and understanding that, is actively doing something to change it. That is what guys like you discourage because you preach a defeatist philosophy in the only area which will bring our salvation.

I forgive no competent man who is not aware of how this abomination came about and is doing nothing to change it. I can explain in pretty good detail how we can all do something to begin a positive change, if only there was some interest. I will say that if we don’t start VERY soon and make a vigorous effort, it will soon be too late. As always, the first and most important area of focusing our effort is on our lawmaking process (politics). If a man is skeptical about my assertions, or yours, he should at least take some time to do enough research to verify or discredit those assertions.

Sorry, but I have to do this in short sprints.

BTW- Obviously I should have said American men don’t have the balls ANYWAY.

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oddsock December 29, 2012 at 03:39

Good grief Mickey. Was you listening to the Star Spangled Banner or Born in the USA while typing your response ?

Thanks anyway I now understand what you Keyster Paul Whatshisface and AVfM are all about now.

Allow me to correct my comment about me seeing the “bigger picture”. What I meant was that I view things from a global perspective, you know, what’s happening to men across the Anglo sphere mostly ? This damned Misandry seems to be everywhere. This is the big difference between me you and the others mentioned above. Misandry affects men of all colours nationalities race religions etc etc. ( sorry if that makes me sound socialist or something ? )

Now its obvious you only wish to focus on America. Ahh, I understand your anger now, in fact, if my memory serves me correctly? When I was trying to warn you guys about what was coming down the pike, maybe 18 months ago, you was telling me to mind my own business and worry about my own country and America will be fine. Oh, and take my conspiracy theories and tin foil hat elsewhere. I get the picture now. Also explains Paul Whatshisfaces amazing temper tantrums with guys outside of the USA making suggestions and trying to offer technical support other than sending him Dollars for AVfM.
Ha ha and not forgetting Keyster as a moderator over at AVfM. Come on guys, don’t try and piss up my back and tell me its raining.

Ok, first off and just to reaffirm what my position is. I do not believe there is a political solution, anywhere anyhow. Now, if you want to believe you can make a difference then fine, go ahead, but I strongly suspect you are pissing in the wind. Keeping in mind, at the last count, 49 million Americans are now on food stamps and rising, tent cities everywhere, society breaking down all over the place. ( I did try and warn you mate, remember ? ) It looks to me, yes yes I know I am an Englishman but just humour me for a while, that the powers that be have other plans. So this is how I see things playing out. There is going to be a major financial reset, the USA is going to get it right up the wazoo. Many pundits reckon by April there will be a major change in America, IMHO probably also why there is a sudden rush to try and confiscate as many guns as possible PDQ. So lets see, I hope it never happens but my bones tell me otherwise.

I am not really sure there is much value in getting into an argument with you over who is to blame and who has or has not got balls but just to play fair. I believe American men have always had the balls they just needed a new knowledge and new information. They have that now and will no doubt use it to make their own decisions.

Sadly, guys like you keyster and AVfM are slowing down the process of men awakening by confusing and trying to mislead them back along the path of the two headed one party system that shafts them either way.

MGTOW is a growing trend, men are actually starting to think and take care of themselves YOU are not helping. BTW, the younger guys don’t need me to influence them they are making up their own mind and not falling for the same left right bull shit you are trying to sell them while hiding behind some faux benefit to men MRA’s MRM even MGTOW.

Defeatist ? No no no Mickey T, its called being smart and the guys of today I would dare say are lot smarter than you or I ever was. Where would we have been without the likes of Angry Harry eh ?

Forgive me if this is a little disjointed I am typing it in between trying to learn the “wish you was here” solo on my new Geetar. I am also doing this in short stints but I think thats about all I needed to read and say.

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Mickey T December 29, 2012 at 12:42

oddsock,
Cool your jets, my impetuous friend.

Your problem with the US is three fold:
It’s obvious, by the things you’ve written, that you don’t understand the American system of a Representative Democracy.
You do not have a basic knowledge of the history of modern feminism in this country.
And you believe too much of what you read online.

The food stamp recipients increased under the current administration increased from about 23 million to about 49 million. The current admin is democratic controlled, which is exactly the party I’ve been urging men to vote against. Food stamps are “small potatoes”, “tiny potatoes” compared to their other destructive accomplishments, including increasing benefits for women in the new VAWA reathorization.No time for details.

I care about all men, because all men are men before they are anything else. I just don’t know enough about the female situation (history, type of gov’t etc) in other countries to make intelligent and informed assertions. But that doesn’t seem to stop you.

Where are these “tent cities” which you speak of? Sounds like another of your “Tennessee police shaking down motorists for money” stories

I left AVFM because Paul and I had sharp differences on some social issues. I guess I became emotional. With the exception of not understand politics, I’ve always known him to be well informed and very perceptive in the area of male/female relationships. He is also a sincere and helluva nice guy.

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zed December 29, 2012 at 16:17

So this is how I see things playing out. There is going to be a major financial reset, the USA is going to get it right up the wazoo. Many pundits reckon by April there will be a major change in America, IMHO probably also why there is a sudden rush to try and confiscate as many guns as possible PDQ.

One of the biggest arguments in the manosphere is whether there is going to be a major collapse, or simply a long slow period of decline. With economies as globalized as they are, it is difficult to imagine that the US economy could go down without dragging a few others along with it – particularly the fragile Eurozone and perhaps Southeast Asia. Who is going to absorb the industrial output of China, India, Malasia, Korea, etc. if the US cannot continue to afford to?

If the $ falls as the world’s reserve currency, what will or can replace it? Certainly not the Euro, with Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Italy as unstable as they are.

Another major issue is who will take over being the police force of the world if the US can no longer afford to? Or, perhaps a more realistic question, what will happen to US government benefits to citizens if congress is faced with the choice of defunding our global war machine, or food stamps and Social Security? Who will step in to prop up NATO if no one lends the US the money to keep it going?

Perhaps you are correct, and the global bankers have decided that they have milked the US dry, and it is time to shift the centers of power back to Eurasia.

BTW, do you speak Russian, oddsock? It might be a useful language to learn. If the US has to close its 21 military bases in Germany because we are broke, I don’t think that eastern Europe will be as much of a pushover as those Faulkland Islanders.

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oddsock December 29, 2012 at 17:07

Zed

Yes mate its a difficult one to call. I think its a cert the US will lose the reserve currency status and this is what I believe will cause the most harm. The drop in living standards will be drastic. Its the speed in which it happens that will cause the most upset. As for what will replace it? Anyones guess really. Its been suggested a basket of currencies backed by Gold/Silver probably a mixture of the Yen the Euro the The RNBB and perhaps just the BRICs ? Also mentioned is the special drawing rights currency. What I do find intersting is the number of countries stashing Gold at breakneck speed, China especially. Interesting times. Not sure if the Euro will survive but Germany looks to remain a major powerhouse. As for the UK ? Feck knows ! I believe our shadow banking is even more bankrupt than the USA’s

As for the world police I should imagine that would be the role of the UN or NATO but what I dont like about that is it sounds more and more like a world army for a world government if you get my drift ?

Either way mate it is clear this is all being done by design, sort of a controlled implosion. This , bye the way, is why I keep trying to tell Keyster and Co that a political solution to the current position of men is simply a pipe dream. The PTB do not give a flying feck about us.

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oddsock December 29, 2012 at 17:38

Mickey T

Ha ha, my jets are really cool my foreign friend.

I think I have made my point. We will just have to agree to disagree.
Anyway, I always believed the USA to be a Republic not a Democracy ? Not that it matters and Paul Elam is of no concern to me just now but I am sure he is a nice guy doing much the same as the rest of us and wants the best for men.

Here’s a list of the locations of some of the tent cities that for whatever odd reason you believe dont exist.

Camp Quixote, Olympia, Washington State[2]
Camp Take Notice, Ann Arbor, Michigan[3]
Dignity Village, Portland, Oregon
New Jack City and Little Tijuana, Fresno, California[2]
Nickelsville, located in Seattle[2][4]
River Haven,[5] Ventura County, California[6][7]
Safe Ground, Sacramento, California[2]
Temporary Homeless Service Area (THSA), Ontario, California[2]
Tent City, Lakewood, New Jersey[8][9]
Tent City, Avenue A and 13th Street, Lubbock, Texas[10]
Tent City, New Jersey forest[11]
Tent City, banks of the American River, Sacramento, California[12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20]
Tent City 3, Seattle
Tent City 4, eastern King County outside of Seattle
The Point, where the Gunnison River and Colorado River meet[21]
The Village of Hope and Community of Hope, Fresno, California[2]
Transition Park, Camden, New Jersey

And a couple of recent photo shots and a vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGxKdDinkKk

This one is quite amazing

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tent+cities+in+America&hl=en&tbo=u&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=rZffUI7wNJLL0AXm6oGQDg&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1152&bih=616

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zed December 29, 2012 at 18:09

oddsock,

I read recently an article about most major banks in Sweden refusing to give out cash. Perhaps there will be no reserve currency, certainly not one “backed by” anything. Everything will be run on company scrip – fiat money.

re: world army – It has become impossible to not be extremely skeptical of anything fed to us by US media, but by all accounts I have read about UN “peacekeeping forces”, there is no more corrupt organization in the entire world. Perhaps you can see the reason why Americans are so protective of their 2nd Amendment rights. We may well see if we will be able to hold onto them, and if they do any good if we do.

I don’t give the PTB as much credit for intelligence as you do. I think the situation is more due to stupidity and greed than planning. One sad conclusion I have come to over the years is that the average man is too stupid and greedy to do anything about it, even if they could be convinced that it is happening.

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oddsock December 29, 2012 at 18:44

Zed

Sadly. I agree with 99% of your comment the remaining 1% I am just not sure.

You see mate, I suppose I am walking a fine line here, sort of a double edged sword. I am sure that oftentimes I may come across as having it in for America. I don’t, I try and give an outsiders POV and the reason for that is simple. Most Americans are very insular and as far as global politics go, quite naive but I blame that mostly on the USA having been the top dog for so long. Probably also why I get a few angry replies to some of my comments. No disrespect meant whatsoever but I do think that for many Americans they are just not used to having outsiders point out the obvious lies and major failings of the USA especially the hypocrisy. Dare I say, its a bit like standing up to a modern woman/feminist and telling her she is just plain wrong.

Sorry, I digress. You see Zed, I am just not as convinced as you that this is all down to stupidity and greed. I also read that article about the cashless banks in Sweden. They had quite a few problems though didn’t they ?

Anyway, as you said and probably also why I have an interest in whats happening in the USA. If it does go down the pan it will cause a massive global domino effect. I have mixed feelings about being armed or no. Obviously in your country just for personal protection it will be a must but as for some sort of defence against a tyranical government as per your 2nd amendment. I shudder to think of the aftermath of such a standoff. I truley hope this is not what ” they” are leading you toward, I mean a few firefights and then a mass clean up of all the guns.

Have you heard anything from Rebel ? I have had no emails from him for a while now and he hasn’t posted on here either. I don’t have any other means of contacting him.

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Mickey T December 30, 2012 at 00:21

Maybe the reason we are saying what we are, is because we’ve watched the infrastructure of this country steadily erode for 40-50 years through the zealous misguided ideologies of the people who had greatest political power. Politically. We now hav basically same ideological policies in play today.

Through out of control spending by the current administration, our debt has increased by $6 TRILLION to $16 TRILLION in the first four years. We expect business as usual in the next four years, if we don’t come to a reasonable debt ceiling agreement. With a thoroughly corrupt gov’t things will continue on their current course and some of the theories going back and forth may become reality. We could become a contemporary Rome………………………………………What happens in America in the next four years will determine what happens globally………………….

Briefly, many base their predictions and theories on the status quo, but we know, with much difficulty, things can change. We missed a great opportunity last November to begin a positive change with a relatively small amount of votes. We came very close.

Some look at things and say they have to be, others look at things and think of what can be.

You are being deceived. oddsock. Forget tent cities………………., they mean nothing in the whole scheme of things.

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Mickey T December 30, 2012 at 01:16

oddsock,

You are looking at the symptoms, I am working the causes.

I can say with confidence right now, that if American men don’t open their eyes and get off their duff within the coming year, a radical feminist may very well become the most powerful person in the world in 2016. If we loose The House in 2014 it will give the corrupt dem party complete political control of the country and will almost certainly cause irreparable damage to the country……..

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zed December 30, 2012 at 07:48

oddsock,

I’ve not heard from Rebel in a little over 3 weeks. I suspect that he is no longer with us. When he told us about the morphine, that was a way to let us know his time was short. Morphine is the drug of last resort for cancer pain because it shortens life. When they put you on morphine they are basically buying one day of life without pain in exchange for two days with a lot of pain.

I don’t see you as having it in for America, but I do often see you as coming off as conceited and arrogant – in a Piers Morgan kind of way – and insular in your own way.

The most difficult thing to understand about the US from a European perspective is how big and diverse it really is. In land area, the US is about the same size as the entirety of Europe – slightly less than 4 million sq miles. The entire area of the British Isles – including Ireland – would fit inside the state of Utah. I could start in Des Moines, Iowa, and drive south the number of miles from Land’s End to John o’ Groats, and not have made it to Houston, Texas. I could start in Kansas City, Missouri, and drive that number of miles, and not be halfway to Seattle, Washington, where Bill lives. I could start in KC, and drive the number of miles between London and Warsaw, Poland, and still not have reached Washington DC.

The US as a whole has no culture of its own. We were pretty much thrown together as a trading, business, and production community. Immigrants from Italy would come here, settle close to other Italians, and create Little Italys. Germans would come here, settle close to other Germans, and create little Germanys.

At least 98% of US media comes from the coasts. You cannot get a good understanding of the US from its media any more than you could get a good handle on British culture by reading the Daily Mail. It would be like taking 2 Great Britains, spreading them out and laying one on each coast – and ignoring the 2/3rds of the people and 80% of the land mass between them. Manhattan Island alone has about the same number of people as the states of Wyoming, Vermont, and North Dakota combined. Greater New York City has more people than the nine states with the smallest population, combined. (You will see where I am going with this in a moment.)

I think you are mistaken when you think that the US is “on top.” We are just the figurehead and bag men for the people who really hold the power, who mostly choose to remain invisible. Who is the most powerful person (and the richest) in the UK – the PM, or the Queen? Your point about there being no political solution is illustrated by the fact that you can always elect a new PM, but you can’t elect a new Queen.

“The Empire” is still the British Empire – we yanks are just minding it for you Brits. We learned everything we know from you, including the mistakes. Vietnam cost over 58,000 lives of young US men trying to prop up and salvage France’s failed colonial strategy.

One major aspect of the US attitude you see is that the US is expected to do all the dirty work, while everyone else sits around with clean hands criticizing everything we do – much like a woman. What in the world does the US need with a “defense” budget as big as ours? If we would pull out 21 military bases out of Germany, and tell them they have to fund their own defense, not only would it make the rest of Europe very nervous, it would divert so much money that they would no longer be able to prop up Greece.

So, back to the 2nd Amendment and the “pacification” of the US. The US has spent 10 years with well over 150,000 troops and multi-multi-billion $$ weapons systems, trying to pacify an area smaller than Texas. Three months after we pull out, the only evidence left of us being there will be the wreckage we left.

While the people on the coasts may trample each other to death in the stampede to turn in their guns – like in Australia, the UK, and Canada – out here in “the provinces”, “flyover country”, the attitude prevails that we are citizens, not subjects. I think it would take at least 3-5 million troops to conquer the best armed citizenry in the world.

The old concepts of military engagement – big armies facing off on the field of battle – are totally obsolete. Guerrilla warfare and insurgency are the operating modes now. The first phase of the invasion of Iraq was called “Shock and Awe” when the US just poured armament down on that little country believing that it would frighten and intimidate them into surrendering. It didn’t work.

If the US goes down the same road as Syria, and you get US citizens firing on other US citizens, it will be “Game On.” People out in the provinces are pretty damned pissed about the NWO that the elites have been trying to shove down our throats, and the phrase “Give me liberty, or give me death” still resonates with a lot of people out here in the hinterlands.

The way a lot of them look at it is that they are not fighting for their lives, but that they are fighting for their way of life. If the PTB are fine with spending over 6,000 of our lives trying to force a bunch of camel jockeys to live the way we want them to – in their homes in their country – I will bet that 1000x that many men will take up arms to fight for the way they want to live in their own homes and country.

This saber rattling of talking about confiscating guns is nothing but bluff by the powers that be. There are a lot more “from my cold dead hands” and “Molon Labe” (“come take them”) people around than they can handle.

What is really incredibly stupid is the position that the media has taken. Without the 2nd Amendment in place, what means will they have of defending the 1st Amendment? If the media gets everyone to turn in their guns, and the PTB then hand the media two lists – one of things they must say, and one of things they can’t say – what is the media going to do? Obviously, they are all going to become Piers Morgans, roll over, and play toady for their masters.

BTW, David Gregory really stepped on his dick with showing the banned ammo magazine on national TV. All the toady media people are now arguing that he should not be held accountable under the sort of laws he is agitating to get passed. He is being totally pwned on this page –
http://twitchy.com/2012/12/27/conservatives-destroy-glenn-thrushs-mock-worthy-public-interest-defense-of-david-gregory/

One of the best comments is –
“so, there is a first amendment right to possess a high capacity mag, but no second amendment right to it? #strangelogic”

Stay tuned, oddsock, this show is going to get really interesting.

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zed December 30, 2012 at 08:21

oddsock,

I forgot to say something about stupidity and greed. If you have not read Atlas Shrugged, I really encourage you to do so. You can see everything that is happening today in that book.

Of course there are people who are conspiring to become the most powerful people in the world. This is not a new phenomenon – everyone from the Pharaohs, the Chinese emperors, Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, the Ottoman emperors, right down to Hitler had the same fantasy. The only thing which differentiates the ones today from the ones who have tried the same thing throughout history is the technology they have at their disposal.

All of human history is one long, continuous, process of one tribe of men ganging up to steal resources – including women – from another tribe of men. Go to Wikipedia, pick any subject related to war – like “battle ship” or “ship of the line” or “line of battle” or “battle of the Somme” and just click on links in the articles. You will never get through all the descriptions of ways that men have come up with to kill other men.

Marxism is based on the envy which the incompetent hold toward the competent.

In high population density nation-states, this must somehow be contained because it would otherwise inevitably lead to perpetual and total war.

Pretty much everything about human nature can be understood by understanding the Law of Jante – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante – and the Tall Poppy Syndrome – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome

These apply clear up to the top of the PTB, who are nothing more than extremely large and wealthy organized criminal syndicates trying to steal wealth from each other using the common man as their foot soldiers and cannon fodder.

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oddsock December 30, 2012 at 09:27

Zed

Yes, sadly it has been around three weeks since I last heard from Rebel.
He was amused by many of my comments on the Spearhead and so I decided to start posting again just to give him something to grin at during his last days. I am aware of the Morphine process.

Many many thanks for your in depth comment. Again I agree with a lot of what you say, a fascinating read. The slight differences in our POV iare simply because I am an outsider, so to speak.

Regarding my coming across as sometimes conceited and arrogant. Yes I can understand that. It is a failing on my part but it is not intentional, occasionally yes but that is only when I feel someone else is being of a similar manner. Having said that, the big problem is the British sense of humour, sarcasm and making light of view points are a way of life especially in my working class background and life style. Even death and/or serious accidents are often met with dark humour and sarcasm. Therefore I need to say Sorry to anyone I may have offended.

Sorry guys.

Yes I have read Atlas shrugged and many similar however, these days I have become far more interested in the likes of Mooji Echart Tolle and listening to the lectures of Alan Watt and the books and videos of Anthony De Mello. Its been an amazing journey something I believe we are all on. You know Zed, I believe my own journey started back around the age of 6 in the infants school. Boys were made to stand first along side the desk to allow the girls to leave always with a boy holding open the door. I knew back then that something wasn’t right and I didn’t accept the explanation of me needing to be a gentleman towards the ladies. Most girls even at that age were little horrors and very very sneaky. Then to go through the furnace of divorce and child access until I finally found angry harry. A saving grace I can tell you. I was close to losing it. One day I may try and map it out for the younger guys to see the process they are going through. Anyway, enough for now and thanks for taking the time to make your above comments.

Your ok, for a foreigner ; )

Interesting times indeed Zed.

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oddsock December 30, 2012 at 11:20

Mickey T

Yes I understand your concerns about America I really do but this is where I think there is a disconnect.

What you fear may happen in America and will consequently follow world wide is already happening or happend. Look at Europe.

The reason I highlight the tent cities is because so many Americans seem to be totally unaware of what is happening right infront of them or go into complete denial and then believe there is some magical political solution. Its like this. If the USA goes down the pan you won’t need worry about any feckin feminist thats for sure.

As for symptoms and solutions. To put it in a nutshell. You and Keyster think there is some value in persuing a polical solution where as I think the “solution” to the problem is to become MGTOW. Simple as that.

You already stated you have a completely corrupt government so what on earth makes you believe that by somehow getting more Republicans in power will change anything ? They are as corrupt as the left and even if they aren’t when they start off, they soon become “paid off”. Lobyists and money speak and have much greater power than any ideology that does not fit the globalist banks and corporation plans.

Sadly Mickey, we can go around and round in circles arguing over what path is best and who is right or wrong. It still makes little difference to the position of men. You go your way I go mine.

It has also been said that perhaps we actually need more feminism before men really awaken to their true plight. So far all I see is a few men playing the politic card with the hope of maybe, in a few years, they may stop the jailed alimony non paying father from having his driving license blocked. OOOOH whooopdi dooo !

MGTOW does seem to be the trend mate simply because most have heard all this political rhetoric over and over and over with nothing but empty promises with a hint of what “Might” be achieved maybe sometime in the future and if they don’t vote and the left get in they will be sorry. Which is quite odd because thats exactly what the left say when the right is in power. ( Any country ) or the usual shaming language, you know, its a man thing to vote right wing or its the MRA thing.

There you go Zed. I trust I didn’t come across as conceited or arrogant. Just trying to say it how I see it.

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zed December 30, 2012 at 14:47

oddsock,

Nope not condescending or arrogant at all – from my POV. But then, I am an outsider even though it might appear to some that I am on the inside. And, I have developed an appreciation for Brit humor, which takes a while. For years I have used a line I got from the Monty Python film “The Meaning of Life” when people asked me if I had any children – “Well, I did have some, but I sold them for medical research.” I have really offended some people with that – which simply points out the need to assess one’s audience.

I sort of understand where Keyster and MickeyT are coming from as well. Twenty years ago I thought political solutions were possible – if only I could wake people up to what was going on. I had tons of “I can’t believe you are so stupid” experiences from arguing with people trying to force them to admit that I was right and they were wrong, while they were trying to force me to admit that they were right and I was wrong.

Do you know the story of Gilgamesh?

Eventually, I learned what Hawaiian Libertarian just talked about in his most recent post – http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2012/12/theres-no-going-back.html
You can’t force feed anyone the red pill.

Now, when I find my anger and argument reflex has been hooked, it is time to step away from the keyboard.

At an extremely subtle level, the search for a political solution is motivated by the same sets of emotions as those who want to ban guns –
“The current situation is unacceptable. SOMETHING must be done!

The paradox arises that while SOMETHING must be done, nothing can really be accomplished.

The reason that nothing can be accomplished is that the classical MRA is something of a retread feminist. Most MRAs from 20-30-40 years ago had no problem with women breaking out of their confining roles as long as men were allowed to do the same. It was only when men started waking up that women were going to stiff men, and feminists had formed an unholy alliance with the socons to keep men stuck in their old roles (“Man Up!”) while women were allowed to do anything they damn well pleased, that men really started to push back. This phase only lasted about 10 years.

Most of the classic MRAs from the 1990s have moved on – gone their own way – because we realized that if we spit in the socons’ faces, and told them to “pound sand”, that we could pretty much live our lives the way we wanted. So, around 2001 or so, the socons moved into the camp that the MRAs had vacated, and claimed the MRA label for their own socon position – which was already a loser in the culture war. Men’s News Daily was the perfect example of this.

About the only classical MRA left out there still active is Paul Elam. He is trying to walk the razor’s edge between “Wives should submit to their husbands” and “pump them and dump them.” And, you know how much shit he is getting – which, incidentally, bothers him about as much as a case of bad breath bothers a Hell’s Angel. He is still trying to work out a new deal between men and women, and he has recruited some very intelligent women to work with him.

However, by far, the guys who have done the most to hand young men a set of ideas and concepts which will do them some good in the world going forward are guys like Roissy and Roosh. I wouldn’t have either one of them as a business partner, because I don’t think anyone can trust them. But, they have taken the core of classical masculinity and repackaged it a way that younger guys – almost all of whom have never met an un-emasculated male in their lives – can understand.

I saw on Drudge in the past couple of days a link to an article that more US soldiers have died from suicide this year than got killed in action.

Let that sink in for a moment. The country these soldiers signed up to defend is so fucked when they come back to it, that they killed themselves.

The socons can hand me all the white feathers they want – I will simply use them to decorate a hat. They can call me a “Peter Pan” and shout at me to “Man Up!” all they want, and I have 40 years of experience in tuning them out – so I am pretty good at it.

To me, the concept seems so simple – if they are going to kill and destroy the people who support them, eventually they are going to run out of supporters. But, socons just don’t seem to be able to grasp it.

Like has been said about Washington DC – people there either belong to the evil party or the stupid party.

There is not much the evil party can do to me – unless I make the mistake of signing up to fight for the stupid party, which I won’t do.

Hopefully, the stupid party will eventually figure it out that the only people who survive are the ones who don’t support them – but, I, personally, am not willing to bet any of my future on it.

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oddsock December 30, 2012 at 16:45

Zed

Wow, what can I say? what could I add? Except maybe stop it you are spoiling me.

Yes British humour is certainly an aquired taste, probably why it doesn’t travel too well. Although the likes of Monty Python and a few of the other more zany types seem to have a big following around the world. Ha ha I would often send Rebel clips from Monty Python Holy Grail, especially the French Kerniggit on top of the castle walls. He will be forever Rebel in my mind. Any time I hear that outrageous French accent I grin and think of Rebel. Wish I could find out the state of play with him?

I also can see the position of Mickey T and Keyster but as we both know, you can’t force feed the red pill. What I often find difficult is I am on their side and I really wish I could help them in some way, same goes for Paul Elam and AVfM. Paul really is walking the razors edge but I suspect there are others that have alternative ideas on what they hope to achieve.

Yes I have heard about the Gilgamesh story. I think it was around the time of DGM 1 when I first heard about it ?

I finally came to the position of accepting society is up shite creek without a paddle and however painful it is going to be, the only way to resolve things will be via a major reset and it looks like that is what is planned regardless of what you or I may wish.

Regarding the suicide rate of American soldiers. I suspect it is also a lot to do with the actual experience of just who they are shooting at and the reasons they were given. When you think about it, although I am sure there were suicides after WW1 and WW2 they appear to be nothing like the numbers today. However, just imagine coming home from a tour of duty to find your wife has done one with some spoonhead with a motor bike taken your kids and house and then have thrown in jail for non payment of child support and a false accusation? It suprises me that so few men have not gone totally postal. You see, its that sort of thing that just leaves me almost speechless. I mean how the feck? What ? Who ? Why ?

Regarding the anger and stepping away from the keyboard, again, I agree however, on this occasion I will step away as soon as I can find out the fate of Rebel. My input complete.

I admire your writting skills and knowlege Zed I admire many others including Keyster and Mickey T but only when they stay off the politics and cultural marxism platform. Such a shame so much talent so much knowlege. Maybe one day we can pull it altogether for prosperity ?

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Mickey T December 30, 2012 at 16:46

US male citizens,

The Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), probably the most onerous male oppressive group of laws I’ve ever been aware of, was up for reauthorization last year. It has been delayed because The House of Representatives, where Republicans recently won control, will not pass it with new provisions, drafted by the Democratic controlled Senate, which give women even MORE benefits.

When The Republican Party took control of The House of Representatives in 2010, they went right for the jugular of the Democratic Party, abortion. They took on the feminist sacred cow. The Republicans threatened to pull the $330 million in annual funding which Planned Parenthood (one of then nation’s largest abortion providers) was receiving. So, since the Feminists have a death hold on the Democratic Party, the Democrats gave up $38.5 BILLION in entitlements for other areas to the Republicans in order to continue the Planned Parenthood funding.

When I was a younger man back in the 1990s and I had some fire in my belly, I had a “soap box” opportunity which I used vigorously. I was able to personally communicate with many different people and of course, the topic was almost always politics. To me, back then, it was astounding to learn that so many people were supporting what they were diametrically opposed to, whether by faith, by principle etc.. I was usually pretty much on the mark when profiling different people who I thought would be surprised to learn the truth about hot certain button issues of the time. Many times people where in disbelief or even shocked at some of the things I said. I always ended the conversation by encouraging them to not just take my word, but to their own research if it is important to them. Some people would actually come back to me and thank me because they were able to verify the things that I told them. I took a lot votes away from the Democratic (feminist) Party during those years.

There is so much misinformation here, especially in the area in favor of abandoning any hope for help from our political system, my advice to anyone, is hear both sides thoroughly, then decide.

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oddsock December 30, 2012 at 17:08

Monty Python

Rebel taunting the English

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY

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Mickey T December 30, 2012 at 17:45

The Republicans are saying:
Here we are just beginning to achieve power. Help us, and we will help you. Contact us and tell us what you want. Contact us and pledge your support. We are powerless without your support.

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Mickey T December 30, 2012 at 17:54

Should have said: hear both sides, if it is important enough, research the claims and info thoroughly then decide.

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oddsock December 31, 2012 at 04:40

Mickey T

Ok, fair comment. I am not sure if this will help but try and imagine a young guy. Put yourself in his shoes. Try it. Imagine you are being asked to choose between left or right. You have the basic knowledge of what both parties are about and what they have done for him, as a man.
You, as the young guy, will no doubt know of a few men that have been divorced maybe even a few that have returned from war. Quite a few of these guys will have ended up being homeless jobless been in jail for the reasons we often talk about on here. If you decide to look a little deeper you are met with shouts of ” Its cultural marxism thats the problem damned socialists, maybe even reviews history to the Vietnam era and conscription. You will ponder both positions.

You see most younger guys do not look much deeper than the above and who can blame them. Every fecker has lied to them so far. Maybe also applies to older guys too? Perhaps you, a young guy, is able to look a little deeper into these financial claims of funding of various left wing schemes and then discovers that it may well be true but also realize its all a game of smoke and mirrors with the usual political pundits warning of all sorts of hell and damnation if you don’t vote for them and you have heard it all before, a few billion here a few billion their, politicians lining their pockets as usual. Government bankrupt many times over with a shadow banking sector many trillions in debt. You only have to look around the net to find this info on the various economic forums outside the control of the USA media.

I am tempted to tell you what I think a young guy would say
but you decide. See if you can get past your programming and genuinely understand, have empathy with the guys your are asking to vote right wing. Or left wing for that matter.

Be brutally honest with yourself and then you might begin to understand what you are up against and how you might adjust your campaign. Just shouting or should I say typing cultural marxist and damned socialist within a lengthy comment on various MRA websites just aint cutting it mate. You are going to need a helluva lot more to offer than statements on how the republicans managed to stop the re enactment of parts of the VAWA bill. A hell of a shit load more.

Slightly off topic Mickey but perhaps you also need to see how you are setting up a political strawman for when the republicans just dont quite make quite enough votes to do something in favour of men or stop something. Out will come the ” its those damned cultural marxists socialists ” within the MRM that stopped us but hey come on guys just vote republican next time and we can do it. On and on it goes around and round.

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oddsock December 31, 2012 at 05:11

Hey Mickey T

Just a thought. You know your recent comment ?

“The Republicans are saying:
Here we are just beginning to achieve power. Help us, and we will help you. Contact us and tell us what you want. Contact us and pledge your support. We are powerless without your support.”

Well, you have the eyes of many potential voters on here and other MRA type sites. Why not ask them directly? You know, start a specific thread and ask them to post what they want from the Republican party? Maybe ask them to just bullet point the issues ( no pun intended ) keeping it brief but specific. Ok you will have to allow for thread destroyers and other trolls but you just may get a much clearer picture of the political landscape you are dealing with rather than just posting opportunistic ad hoc comments about cultural Marxism etc.

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Mickey T December 31, 2012 at 12:39

oddsock, oddsock,

I’ve been around a good many years, and I met a lot of interesting people who had a great deal of knowledge about many things. But, after all the years, I came to the conclusion that it’s good to know a lot of things, but it’s not so good, if you don’t know when you don’t know.

A man believes everything he reads on the internet, comes up with opinions etc based on the sometimes dubious information, then joins groups to authoritatively state these opinions. You remind me of the “Eveready Bunny”, you keep going and going and going with the same unfounded assertions and opinions. Somebody, somewhere is bound to take you seriously and that’s not good for men.

I wish I had the time to respond to your comments item by item, starting with that silly “tent city” thing, and I’m sure you don’t have the time to argue them especially when your countrymen are calling you. Do you hear them??

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zed December 31, 2012 at 13:01

Sorry to interrupt MickeyT’s efforts to convince everyone here how much smarter he is than everyone else, by returning to the original topic, but –
The movie is getting really strange. There was an Op-ed in that bastion of unbiased journalism – The New York Slimes – titled “Let’s Give Up on the Constitution”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/lets-give-up-on-the-constitution.html

Our obsession with the Constitution has saddled us with a dysfunctional political system, kept us from debating the merits of divisive issues and inflamed our public discourse.

Got that? – “Our obsession with the Constitution…”

Last time I checked, the oath of office of the president of the US went something like this –

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

Calls for giving up on the constitution seem to me to indicate that some preserving, protecting, and defending might be in order here.

Now, we return you to our regularly scheduled MickeyT’s bragging about how fuckin’ smart he is.

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oddsock December 31, 2012 at 14:11

Mickey t

Sorry. I often forget how cold sounding typed comments can be. I wasn’t trying to be combatative I was trying to be helpful. I was trying to give an un biased view with genuine suggestions. My choice of words and tone was wrong my mistake.

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oddsock December 31, 2012 at 14:26

Zed

This is why I am more of the opinion that there is and always has been a bigger plan and also why I believe politics are just a dog and pony show for the plebs ALL USA media is owned by the ptb those type of articles are well planned and for any number of reasons.

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oddsock December 31, 2012 at 14:39

Has ha you know what zed after re reading some of my comments to mickey T. I really do come across as conceited and arrogant. You see I never usually give my comments too much thought not even spell checked just typed off the cuff and posted . Obviously not a good method. Sorry guys I am trying to be helpful, in my own way

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