Gay Marriage Developments in Washington State

by W.F. Price on December 14, 2012

Now that gay civil marriage is the law in Washington state, a number of people have decided to enter into arguably the worst contract in American civil law. Most, judging from the media coverage, are lesbian, despite the fact that gay males outnumber lesbians by about two to one. Men – gay or straight – simply aren’t as interested in marriage as women.

In about a year or so, I plan to go down to the courthouse to see if I can’t find some lesbian divorce proceedings. I’m quite curious about how these will go down, because it could have implications for Washington state fathers in their own custody cases, as children will be involved in many of these civil marriages.

However, there are already some signs of potential complications. Many of the lesbians appear to be entering into civil marriage contracts with ready-made families; i.e. they already have children. In most cases, I assume, from prior relationships. Yes, some lesbians do get artificially inseminated, but the normal heterosexual method is more effective and much cheaper (and profitable — don’t forget child support), so most lesbians with children get them that way.

Now, what’s really obnoxious about this is that despite it being obvious that some of the lesbians obtaining civil marriage clearly had their children with straight men the old-fashioned way, their new partners are invariably called the children’s “parent” by the news outlets. If the father has joint legal custody (usually does not mean joint physical custody) – and joint legal custody is the norm in Washington state – this is a violation of the father’s rights and abuse of his status as a parent. The fathers of these lesbians’ children are being treated as though they don’t exist, and I’ll bet most of them are paying child support, which will likely help pay the mortgage or rent for the new couple. Lesbians actually prefer women who have ready-made families because of this convenient perk.

So, although I don’t care whether lesbians sign onto a civil marriage contract, it’s a different matter when fathers’ roles are being hijacked by the new partner. If gay marriage means that children’s and fathers’ rights must take a back seat to lesbian rights, then gay marriage is indeed two steps back for one step forward. Hopefully courts will clarify this matter, and not allow women to use gay marriage as yet one more tool to separate children and their fathers.

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Thos. December 14, 2012 at 13:26

If gays want to marry and be as miserable as everyone else, then that’s their right.

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Scott December 14, 2012 at 13:46

I bet a few of these women will get married, get divorced, and then get remarried to men.

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Lyn87 December 14, 2012 at 13:55

Two lesbians may call themselves “parents” all they want, but one of them is most assuredly NOT related to the child. When custody disputes arise from the dissolution of lesbian “marriages” the mother will get the kid, and the woman to whom she is “married” will not, although she may get visitation and be required to pay child support. At least when a normal couple breaks up the biological father can prove that he is related to the child via DNA matching – the lesbian partner of a mother cannot do so. I suspect that a woman in such a case would get about the same treatment as a divorcing step-father (in that she is not a parent – but is married to the mother of a child in the household).

Single mothers outrank cast-off lesbians in the Sympathy Olympics, so I expect to see non-mothers paying child support to their “ex-wives” after these relationships hit the skids. This would almost be humorous if there were no innocent children involved.

The one way to really muck this up would be for one member of the lesbian “marriage” to supply an egg that would be fertilized via IVF, then implanted in the other woman to carry to term – then both women could be “related” to the child.

Frankly I’m shocked that we even have to think about this sort of thing – but somewhere, some lesbian couple has thought of this, and some clinic will be willing to do it – the child be damned.

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geographybeefinalisthimself December 14, 2012 at 13:56

I wonder why male homosexuality (assuming “male homosexual” DOES NOT include “male bisexual”) outnumbers lesbianism (again, assuming “female bisexuality” is NOT included) by about a 2:1 ratio.

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Justinian December 14, 2012 at 14:14

In about a year or so, I plan to go down to the courthouse to see if I can’t find some lesbian divorce proceedings. I’m quite curious about how these will go down, because it could have implications for Washington state fathers in their own custody cases, as children will be involved in many of these civil marriages.

The outcome will likely depend on which person in the couple wore the strap-on during intimate encounters.

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Anonymous Reader December 14, 2012 at 14:17

Welmer
If gay marriage means that children’s and fathers’ rights must take a back seat to lesbian rights, then gay marriage is indeed two steps back for one step forward.

Yup. “Men bad, women good” is getting close to being a statutue.

Hopefully courts will clarify this matter, and not allow women to use gay marriage as yet one more tool to separate children and their fathers.

You mean, like the way the courts have not allowed women to use divorce as a tool to separate children from their fathers? I do not mean to anger or annoy or depress you, Welmer, but are you serious? Since when does any court of law oppose any thing that femininsm wants?

I got another one, suppose the lesbians divorce, and the biological mother is by some miracle found to be unfit? Think that the father will get any rights to his children, or will the new “partner” instead win custody? Under the standard family court dictum “Men Bad”, we know how that will turn out.

This is and will be merely another example of the way men are regarded as disposable.

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oddsock December 14, 2012 at 15:04

Here’s an interesting video. Ok not directly linked to the topic but it does give a synopsis on how society is being fragmented with predictions and some of the consequences/results. ( This fragmentation by the way, is happening all across the West )

‘Caucasians under attack!’ – student organizes white defense group .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as5oh4CaLRs

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Epoche* December 14, 2012 at 15:20

There seems to be an outright contempt in our society for normal male heterosexual behavior.

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Lyn87 December 14, 2012 at 15:53

geographybeefinalisthimself December 14, 2012 at 13:56

I wonder why male homosexuality… outnumbers lesbianism… by about a 2:1 ratio.

It’s not a surprise: men are nature’s “outliers” and women are nature’s
“safe bets,” and it often works in all sorts of ways (good and bad) at both ends of the bell curve.

Generally, the more aberrational something is, the higher the percentage of the people with that aberration will be male. Inclinations toward homosexuality is aberrant – so one would expect more men than women to be homosexual.

The tendency of men to deviate from the mean more than women really plays out at the far extremes of bell curves. For example: the slight differences in the means and standard deviations of male and female I.Q. bell curves don’t mean much to the vast majority of people, but it does mean that nearly all the people with REALLY high I.Q.’s are male. It is also true that nearly all the people with really LOW I.Q.’s are male, too, but people born that way tend to have all sorts of birth defects and are less likely to survive into adulthood.

Since it is outliers who come up with the world’s game-changing ideas, and most outliers are men, most of the world’s great innovators are men. This plays into the feminist “Apex Fallacy” where women look “up” and see mostly men. In most fields only the very, very best people become well-known, and in nearly every field the very, very best are extreme outliers – and most extreme outliers are men. If feminists ever looked “waaaay down” they would see mostly men as well, but that rarely happens – such men are largely invisible to them. They are literally “beneath notice” most of the time, and when they do notice them it is often accompanied by disgust.

The perfect example is how feminists whine about the glass ceiling but do not even acknowledge all the men under the glass floor (except to complain about them and blame them for being there.)

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keyster December 14, 2012 at 15:55

…their new partners are invariably called the children’s “parent” by the news outlets.

Of course the news outlets wouldn’t want to alienate the lesbian mother’s lesbian other half. And besides nothing is more fulfilling than doing stories on the “alternative family”. It shows that the news outlet cares about diverse communities, it gives them “sensitivity cred”. Besides, do you know how much gays spend on your sponsor’s stuff?

Oh the children’s father? He’s lurking in the shadows somewhere, rather superfluous, if not irrelevant. Probably a dead beat dad living in another state. Poor single mom had to turn to lesbianism just to get by.

I think really you need the empirical data on this, if it exists.
How many lesbians are married?
How many lesbian couples have children?
How many lesbian couples have children from one or both of them being formally married to a man – and receive child support?
vs. lesbians that pumped a turkey baster of defrosted jizz up their wahoo?

I think the once hetero-normative woman w/child turned bush banger (father somewhere out there making CS) would be the exception. If they’re having children at all it’s through sperm bank or gay male friend.

Suffice to say Gay Marriage and it’s hip cousin Legalized Marajuana, has yet to reveal all the unintended consequences/legal quagmires.

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Franklin December 14, 2012 at 16:06

I now finally see the logical life path for women.

1. Spend your 20s having sex with the most immoral men you can find, just for fun.
2. Entering your 30s, marry a beta sucker. Cheat on him with bad-boys to have children.
3. After having children, divorce the boring beta and get alimony and child support.
4. Become a lesbian and marry another woman who has completed the above 3 steps and live happily ever after as a couple supported by both of your former husbands.

This is the best all words; children from bad-boy sperm, money from beta suckers, and “you go girl” moral support from a female partner.

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MRA December 14, 2012 at 16:23

Lesbians actually prefer women who have ready-made families because of this convenient perk.

Which is why lesbians go after women married to men and kids, they are some sort of homewrecker but more despicable, lesbian usually find pleasure in in taking a woman from a man, in college you see many lesbian trying to take away every women they see at a party with a man.

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Ecclesiastes December 14, 2012 at 16:46

This just shows that women actually believe all that crap they say.

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Monroe Ficus December 14, 2012 at 16:48

Yeah, its funny how the media makes it look like gay marriage means interior decorators and other fruits getting married when it really means bulldyke army lesbos, like in that cringe worthy photo of the lesbian marriage at West Point. LOL, I guess it really is about HER

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Bill December 14, 2012 at 16:57

The concept of marriage has basically outgrown its usefulness for the average guy. Marriage use to be a contract that NO ONE WOULD DARE BREAK. Unfortunately because men did not stand up to laws that screwed up men we now have an unfair legal system which looks at women as “victims” and males as the aggressors. Men and women have unrealistic expectation (especially for women). We both want something which is love and sex and commitment, but when it becomes a financial contract that benifits women more than men, then it is no longer worth having for men.

Gays and lesbians can have marriage if they want, as for white heterosexual men, we are packing up our old ways and trading them for the new modern male. Care free not burdened By family or women, but in full control of their destiny. Who wants to work long weeks to support someone who does not give a shit because they are selfish assholes? I certainly am not falling into that trap and thankfully many young men are following that example and just enjoying life without worrying about American bitches.

So anyway, let gays and lesbians and “conservative Christians” keep their precious “marriage”. While I am fucking any women I want.

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Tired Guy December 14, 2012 at 17:08

Lyn 87, I wouldn’t be so sure about that. In countries where gay marriage has been legal for some time, it is not unheard of for children to end up with a couple of ‘parents’ who are not related to them – via the exact method you mention.

Yes, single mothers do get all the sympathy, but being accused of homophobia will lose you a lot of friends, or voters. I became an outcast for a time because I beat up a homosexual thief who tried to break into my truck.

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TFH December 14, 2012 at 17:13

I truly want lesbians to lose a lot of money to divorce lawyers, and for one lesbian to pay alimony to another, so that the recipient gets a new girlfriend who is living large on the alimony of the first (older) lesbian.

This is sort of what is needed to expose Family Law for the abomination it is. Lesbians are the only type of victim who can be vocal about the unfairness without being dismissed.

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Anon66 December 14, 2012 at 17:49

Some years ago I was told “Friends” was a funny sitcom I should watch. I watched one episode and it offended to the extent that I never watched the show again.

The episode took place in a hospital where the tall jewish guy’s ex-wife was giving birth to their child. Apparently the ex-wife had left the guy when she decided she was a lesbian but was already pregnant. In the hospital was the guy, his ex, and her lesbian partner.

The show’s humor was done around the conflict between the father to be and the lesbian partner with the mother being the voice of reason. For instance the guy assumed the child would have his last name. The lesbian told him the child would have a hyphenated name containing her’s and mother’s last with no mention of the father’s. Also the father had first name suggestions which the lesbian informed him were not going to be considered. They bickered while the poor mother was in labor and she had to angrily scold them for their selfishness and not worrying about her condition. The guy pouted, how funny.

The result was the child ended up with a triple hyphenated name and the man got to participate in the picking a first name. Basically he was set as an equal to the lesbian lover with the mother placed above both.

Now in Washington life will imitate art. Even though I am usually a live and let live guy I have been against gay marriage for this very reason. It is also why I am against gay adoption. How long before we see lesbian couples getting preference over heterosexual couples because they don’t have a bad man in the house

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Mickey T December 14, 2012 at 17:54

Off Topic………..

I guess everybody has heard about the sad and tragic incident today in CT. where 20 elementary school children, and 6 adults were shot and killed by a lone gunman
It may be a little premature to mention, but the anti-gun crowd has already begun their outcry to ban most guns etc., and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dems politicize the event.
I’ve been a gun enthusiast for a long time and when events like this, although not quite like this one, happen, it might be helpful to do a serious in depth study of the perpetrator’s home life. Also, I’ve watched these tragedies for a long time and coming from a time when things like this were almost nonexistent , I feel that guns don’t kill, this culture kills. These are the two differences I see between then and now.
Perhaps soon it will be time for Bill to do an article on the topic.

Sorry for the interruption.

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geographybeefinalisthimself December 14, 2012 at 18:12

@ Mickey T

The gunman reportedly had Asperger’s syndrome, the condition that both “Josh the Aspie” (I do not know what happened to him) and I both have. The gunman, Adam Lanza, has just given Josh, myself and all other people with Asperger’s syndrome a bad name.

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cgk December 14, 2012 at 18:57

We should be careful about rushing to grind our ideological/political axes on this latest tragedy, but it is interesting that Adam Lanza’s parents divorced sometime around two years ago (“irreconcilable differences”) and that his mother apparently got custody.

I hadn’t seen anything about him being an aspie, but I did see one report describing him as shy and reserved. The same report said that his mother other talked about how smart he was.

It’s pure speculation, I know, but I can’t help wondering whether his father might have been better equipped to help Adam deal with whatever he was going through.

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cgk December 14, 2012 at 19:21

Oops. “mother other talked” s/b “mother often talked”

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Troll King December 14, 2012 at 19:26

This is off topic but hilarious:

Have you guys been following the scandal in the femisphere lately? Apparently the “good” men project published a piece written by a alleged rapist, who didn’t actually commit rape, according to feminists and every one from Amanda Marcotte to Jill from feministe, and others from slate and company, have got their panties in a twist over it.

One of the good things to come from this is that Ozy Franz, the creator of No Seriously What about teh menz, which was folded into the good men project awhile back, has stepped down and is apparently closing down the blog NSWATM and is apparently pissed as hell at her former blog partner, and editor at TGMP, Noah Brand.

What is especially amusing is how they all claim that the good mangina project is a MRA front. Last I checked the manosphere wants little to do with them. It is fascinating to watch this whole thing explode, I have gone through so much popcorn the last few days. It is especially amusing and interesting to look at how they collectively move farther and farther towards the fringe by denouncing TGMP. I have seriously wondered if all these feminist bitches had their periods sync up and explode with hysteria all at the same time.

Check it out:

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2012/12/13/good-men-projects-rape-faceplant-predators-and-the-social-license-to-operate/

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2012/12/12/inside-baseball-with-feministe-and-the-good-men-project/

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2012/12/10/and-just-when-you-thought-the-good-men-project-couldnt-get-any-worse/

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2012/12/08/what-in-holy-hell-is-this/

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/14/panda-party-shameless-edition/#comment_disclaimer

I find it especially interesting as a case study in how they alienate men and more moderate feminists. There are plenty more links out there, so enjoy.

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El Bastardo December 14, 2012 at 19:30

@Franklin

You might actually have a case study there. ABCD may be the case.

Either way, the morality in the States is gone; and women seem to be able to tell the president on down “what they will do.” Like make half the Presidential cabinet women. That is until they need people (usually white men) to fight off whomever will be the modern “barbarians.” I seriously doubt women will win our wars; only make the men forced to “fight with them” work harder and carry more before death.

Say whatever you want; but white men are losing power, and have been 85% of war dead since the Revolutionary war; if not much higher than 90%. These chicks have been sending us to war for over a hundred years, and then slowly creeping into power. Most of these individual servicemen want to be homeowners, husbands, fathers, or at least wanted to be. Yet they have no desire to do so anymore?

When men (white or otherwise) have nothing to look forward to, the statistically most productive demographic we have here will cease to have a reason to produce; and no longer care to risk life and limb to protect what is left. Somebody help me out; I hope I am wrong about that. Yet as a white separated service member; I don’t really have much to care about what I see as I feel it is aimed at me personally from several directions. Like I have to capitulate at every person different then my color and sex, an “oreientation,” who disagrees with me.

I am far from afraid of change; I am afraid of stupid people changing things because it is socially cool at the time to do so. That seems to always be the case in History.

For example: I was at college signing up for more classes today and overheard some of the “future leaders” talking; what a bunch of whooped manginas. They are going to school, definitely not for math like I am. Probably some easy social program considering they were having a discussion about supporting women; there they were working on school work and not pissing off feminists was the topic of discussion? Honestly, what “WILL” these geniuses defend? They can’t even defend themselves against hating themselves? How will they want and desire to defend someone else? Vajayay access and because a woman told them maybe.

At least in math you can deal with absolutes and liberals at the same time without being called an a-hole. That is of course until you call them on their “social math.” Social Security deals with social math, and that is what the lesbians. Price speaks of are counting on.

But that is dying out slowly; as men are returning from war and running into us in the men’s movement. Women need, and require the economy to not crash again. Since 2008 the men’s movement has become enormous compared to when Angry Harry and others started. Eventually, the feminists will not be able to silence us at all; look at the AVFM publicly humiliate female students from UofT.

They can say how uncool we are all they want; but we are just merely pointing out what they are and have said themselves. You can’t blame a person for quoting you; only quoting you wrong. Did they honestly think that gay rights, feminism, and socialist policies would last forever? AM I the only one looking at Detroit? Eventually, all this narcissistic behavior that Price expects to see come crashing down in the Family Courts next year will have a toll to pay.

What if that toll is no longer agreed to by the vast majority of American men who are pissed off at being raped in prison, sent to their death for feminist wars, and exhausted of being fired and fed into the rat race of an economy that only sees them as a pedestal with which to prop itself?

Maybe I am wrong? Maybe I am right? The thing is, if I am right; how bad will it be for all of us? Lesbians marrying is not the cause, but merely another symptom.

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GT66 December 14, 2012 at 19:42

The guns were registered to the mother.

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Rob December 14, 2012 at 20:34

Waiting for Washington’s school curriculum to be changed in one, two, three years… This stuff happens the same way every time, no matter where it is practiced. Everyone else is just 25 or so years behind the Scandivanians who are now carrying man-purses and sitting down to pee.

Another step in the dialectic which you Washingtonians will soon have the privilege of witnessing, is the wedging in of polygamous marriage… all it takes is two married lesbians and one father donating sperm to them, to have all three of them legally declared “parents” of the child. (This happened in Ontario a year or two after Gay Marriage was legalized in Canuckistan). Once you can redefine parenthood to involve three persons… what’s to stop marriage itself from involving three or more persons? It is obviously not linked to the actual reproductive function of a man and woman having biological children of their own.

Then, wait for gays to be short-listed for adoptions and foster-care positions, because nature “oppresses” them for having two penises or two vaginas which cannot produce children of their own accord. And… watch Christians get removed from the same lists because they are now opposed to something which is now legally considered a “right.”

And don’t forget, the Gay Rights claim is that allowing two men to openly show their love for eachother won’t change the traditional family.

Uh huh.

Gay marriage simply proves, beyond a doubt, that marriage is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD. It doesn’t even remotely resemble what it did 150 years ago. It is about “feelings” and “sexual love” and has nothing to do with actually forming a functional family, which has been the basis for marriage and our society for thousands of years.

If “traditionalists” are to save “marriage,” the best thing they could do is stop trying to save marriage, and recreate the same concepts of marriage 1.0, but under a completely new and yet to be defined name, and then claim “equality” for this new partnership.

Men and women have always had the option to marry eachother – no matter their sexual orientation. There was absolutely zero discrimination, as even as a gay man, you had the exact same right to make yourself miserable by marrying a woman that hates you as any other sorry schmuck that marries and impregnates a woman. At least it was still about having children. Gay people can’t have children, thus, marriage is no longer about children and family, but rather about fulfilling your dream fantasy about how the world should work – at other people’s expense.

At least they also legalized weed, which should soften the shock.

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Paul Murray December 14, 2012 at 21:07

Stepmothers are proverbially vicious to stepchildren:

“A wife hates the children of a concubine; let none demur or forbid, seeing that it has long been deemed right and proper to slay a stepson. But I warn you wards—-you that have a good estate—-keep watch over your lives; trust not a single dish: those hot cakes are black with poison of a mother’s baking. Whatever is offered you by the mother, let someone taste it first; let your trembling tutor take the first taste of every cup.”

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Rob December 14, 2012 at 21:19

Btw, while I am a big supporter of legalizing weed, it is interesting to note that both Canada and Washington State chose to legalize both weed and gay marriage at the same time.

I love my weed.

But it does make me stupid sometimes.

Apparently, the powers that be know what they are doing and understand that drugs placate the masses, and get them to concentrate on video games and their next nacho fix, rather than what is actually going on in society.

Bread and Circuses.

As fast as humanity changes, it still never really changes at all.

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Michael December 14, 2012 at 22:15

About 10 years ago a very angry guy (and long time friend) and I were talking about our divorces. And he said it pretty simple… “Straight White Men should support Gay Marriage… while avoiding marriage themselves! That’ll teach’em”. “Let the F—-ts suffer like we have!”

That used to be funny, now it is the simple truth!

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Masked Stranger December 15, 2012 at 00:11

“Gay marriage simply proves, beyond a doubt, that marriage is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD. It doesn’t even remotely resemble what it did 150 years ago. It is about “feelings” and “sexual love” and has nothing to do with actually forming a functional family, which has been the basis for marriage and our society for thousands of years.”

Thank you. Marriage wasn’t about love, but about raising children. People need to see what marriage really is, and institution for raising children.

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bruno December 15, 2012 at 04:21

Two women getting married to each other?

I love it!

Two master evil genius scam artists meet each other in an epic battle, to see who can steal more money from the other.

Two parasites trying to suck each other dry simultaneously.

Hitting each other over the head with claims of sexual abuse, domestic violence, child abuse, misconduct, and anything else their nasty little brains can come up with.

Give me a front row ticket to the divorce battle!

Sadly for the divorce industry, it will not be about big money, like in “normal” divorces, because women, clever as they are, will focus from the start of the marriage on, on making as little money as possible, thus starting early to build up their case for alimony claims at the divorce.

But I must admit: they have balls, taking on another predator, while they easily could have prayed on a naive romantic male.

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Mickey T December 15, 2012 at 05:39

@ geography

Of course, I couldn’t say there is no illness which has more than a profound effect on the behavior of the sufferer. But, you would think, since medicine has advanced since the 50s/60s when I grew up, there would be less extremely violent behavior now attributed to illnesses. I think the culture and the break down of society plays a major part in the problem.

@ egk

You don’t know Democrats. They immediately began their anti-gun chant all over the news stations, talk shows and all. I did say that some things that I mentioned might be a little early to speak about.

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Mickey T December 15, 2012 at 05:45

I should have added: the culture which is largely shaped by Feminism/Liberalism.

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geographybeefinalisthimself December 15, 2012 at 06:36

@ Troll King

I wonder how this is all going to play out for the Good Mangina Project. I hear that they’ve denigrated The Spearhead commenters as “not doing anything.” Now that feminists (who don’t know what they’re talking about with regards to the MRM) want even less, if anything, to do at all with the Good Mangina Project, the latter is left between a rock and a hard place.

As an aside, and I know I’m not the only one who has been denigrated by Futrelle on his site, but I guess we can now say that Futrelle hates people with Asperger’s syndrome. I hope he stumbles on this comment and has to decide whether to put it on his site or come to The Spearhead to denigrate Price again on Price’s own blog. (Futrelle has already done this once before.)

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bruno December 15, 2012 at 07:05

preyed

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jimbo December 15, 2012 at 07:47

I cannot believe how many otherwise lucid people have come to believe that the acceptance of homosexual agenda and homosexual marriage has no negative ramifications for civilization. At its most base, homosexual marriage can possibly be defined as the ultimate statement that “anything goes and is Ok, so long as it is between consenting adults past the age of consent.” Subsequently, lets legalize all drugs, all forms of gambling and all forms of prostitution. Let us have a whore house on one corner, a drug dealer on the other, a casino on the other and a bathhouse for homosexuals on the other. And, on top of the whore house, we can have a “chapel” so that all of the homosexuals, transgendered, polygamists and a small number of monogamous morons can get married so that they can all get the benefits they so deservedly have coming to them. And everybody will be happy and the wheels will keep turning. In the meantime, our much deprived best and brightest pedophiles will continue to work against the close minded arguments of backwards idiots to get the age of consent lowered to five years old.

Haven’t we seen enough to see where we’re headed?

PS. And there aren’t enough Somali’s in Salt Lake City and I think it is an outrage.

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Anonymous age 70 December 15, 2012 at 07:58

Let me see if I understand the latest insanity. Since 26 people were killed, not coincidentally in a place where US citizens are illegally prohibited from using their Second Amendment rights, we are supposed to even further eliminate Second Amendment rights? Beam me up. Scotty!

In the Twentieth Century, 500,000 people a year were killed by their own governments after their guns were taken away in the name of public safety. That amounts to 1370 a day for an entire century.

And, we have a black entertainer telling Obama to simply throw his political opponents in prison like a Third World dictator?

And, other blacks call Obama their personal lord and savior?

The answer is what it has always been. Prohibit any laws which create areas where many helpless citizens gather, without firearms available to protect them from people who misuse that which is intended to keep governments from killing 500,000 people a year.

Yes, even kindergarten teachers should be armed to the teeth if they are emotionally and technically capable of safely handling firearms.

It is parental neglect to send your kids to schools where there are no significant number of teachers armed and dangerous.

Ditto for our colleges. I have a confession to make. My eldest son has for some years been a professor in universities. He stubbornly insists colleges should be gun free, making the students sitting ducks. In my defense, I will say he was raised by his mother, 1500 miles from me.

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The Geezer December 15, 2012 at 08:44

Too many permutations, methinks.

The lady-couple that lives next door, and who I consult with about all things gay (because they follow it, but don’t beat you over the head with it) Tells me of the story of friends. Egg harvested from one of the couple, inplanted in the other, artificially inseminated. So far, straight deal, no mess.

Then, baby born, and birth mother gets kid. The ONLY real parent, donor mom, pays CS to person who is unrelated to the kid!!!!!!

WTF sayeth the geezer. This is not foster care, the only other case where this happens, but the result is the same. Paying an unrelated party to raise YOUR kid.

I also pinged my friends at Support Enforcement–and asked whatchagonnado.

The policy wonk, an overweight, smarmy, possibly lesbian lady who at a public meeting said “Fuck you, Geezer” in front of witnesses–says, I knew you would ask what we will do when there is no man to beat up. She (a lieyer by training) says they are waiting for the courts to sort it out. However, in the case of ladycouples and artificial semination (birthmom’s own egg) that the non-custodial will be gone after for support (using the presumption of kids born during or within 9 months of a marriage) belong to the couple.

So, interesting, it is.

Geezer has spaketh

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keyster December 15, 2012 at 08:52

When men (white or otherwise) have nothing to look forward to, the statistically most productive demographic we have here will cease to have a reason to produce; and no longer care to risk life and limb to protect what is left. Somebody help me out; I hope I am wrong about that.

The secular white race of the West is practicing a sort of pre-emptive genocide and doesn’t even know it. Our women must birth at least 2.1 babies in their life just to keep up with the death rate. Right now it’s 1.6 and declining. If she has a baby at all (after several abortions while she was younger) it’s typically going to be ONE, in her late thirties. That’s 1-2-4. One child supporting two parents and 4 grandparents. It’s unsustianable.

Meanwhile the Muslim birthrate is 4.6, the Latin birthrate 3.8 and they’re immigrating to Europe and North America in record numbers…and we’re celebrating men marrying men and women marrying women. Whooopie…

I find it ironic that feminists like Betty Freiden and Gloria Steinem and their feminist secular Jewish sisters promoted abortion and “liberation” from men for women, only to watch the Jewish birthrate plummet. They’re a dying peoples. Even in Israel they can’t keep up with Arab births, the Orthodox minority notwithstanding.

Jews didn’t need Hitler to wipe them out. They’re doing a fine job of it themselves because their women refuse to breed. Demography is destiny…numbers matter in a democracy – you’d think they’d see this. Muslim Arabs and Catholic Hispanics are pumping out babies while secular caucasian women are busy with their careers and pissing on men from the offices on the second floor. They don’t want to be burdened with a baby. They want to win the war on men.

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keyster December 15, 2012 at 09:15

Let me see if I understand the latest insanity. Since 26 people were killed, not coincidentally in a place where US citizens are illegally prohibited from using their Second Amendment rights, we are supposed to even further eliminate Second Amendment rights?

It seems deranged mass murderers are never deranged enough to consider killing anyone else but the most vulnerable; kids in “gun free zones”, people (mostly women) in shopping malls, etc.

They will analyze the “violent” pop culture (movies, TV, video games), gun laws (banning assault rifles) – and yet barely touch on the psychology of the shooter…who was disenfranchised from society, a product of divorce and a strict mother who purchased and kept guns in the house. Who exactly are these young men; the pathos towards their pain? Could it be young men in America are in trouble, hopelessly desperate for a voice…and the fringe of these damaged goods is ever expanding? NAAAaaaawwww… That would make males victims of feminsm or something. We need to keep pretending we don’t know the answers…have open and honest discussions about society, while the political correctness ThoughtPolice hover around.

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oddsock December 15, 2012 at 09:22

Putting aside the original post for a mo.

Its interesting to read the comments. It would appear that many men seem to be suffering from the female trait of wanting fried ice.

If marriage is over and we want it to be over? Then who cares who marries who? We should encourage gay marriage just for this fact alone. I mean if we really want to put and end to Misandry and marriage ?

From some comments its also quite clear they are more concerned about birth rates of any given race and little to do with gay marriage as such and more to do with a pending demise of certain cultures.

Left wing bollotixs wants to promote gay marriage etc while Right wing bollotixs want a return of sorts to traditionalism hiding behind the MRM. Either way men still get the shaft the body bags and the bill.

Quite simple. You can’t have it both ways guys. Well, you can try, but any man worth his salt will MGTOW as appears to be the case.

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Mickey T December 15, 2012 at 09:26

I’m not sure how far I should go on off topic comments, but I had to get this one in.
In a discussion on a talk show last night, Pat Buchanan (Conservative) was trying to explain to the group how difficult it would be to confiscate the guns in this country. He said that he has a collection himself and half of American males have guns. Eleonor Clift, seasoned columnist, quickly snapped at Buchanan saying: :” men will just have to get their manhood somewhere else”

She might have a point. I always thought the barrel of my guns looked and acted a little like a penis. The barrel being the phalic symbol while the carriage and grip area feed what is ejected from the barrel.

This woman is at least in her 60s. She’ll go her grave a Feminist.

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joeb December 15, 2012 at 10:25

***In A.H. v. M.P., the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled against breadwinning social mom A.H., allowing bio mom M.P. to deny A.H. joint custody and minimize A.H.’s role in their boy’s life.
This is a not gender law . Even know the interest of the child was with the breadwinner MOM . The court made the same decision to enslave the breadwinner .this is the concept Feminist seem to dismiss
Its just good for the court .The court will always act in its own interest . Seeing themselves as a God like entity . Hence :A civil Religion .

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oddsock December 15, 2012 at 10:26

Here’s an interesting comment I found regarding the recent tragic shooting.

“This long-term plan has involved staged mass killing after staged mass killing through the use of mind-controlled patsies and government agents with the goal of disarming the American people and overcoming the restrictions on this enshrined in the Second Amendment.

Why? The answer lies in a question: is it easier to impose a fascist state takeover on an armed population or an unarmed one? And another: why did the Nazis introduce gun laws before Jews were rounded up that banned Jewish people from the manufacture or ownership of firearms and ammunition?”

And another:-

“What I found most disturbing about the Conneticut shooting is that it reveals an essential truth about this country ( any country really ) :

People are only outraged because it was not a massacre sanctioned by the state.

If 18 people were murdered in a Pakistani school house by a drone, no one in the media would report it and just about everyone would go about their lives not caring.

Statism has a horrifically dehumanizing effect on how we perceive other human beings that are not American. “

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keyster December 15, 2012 at 11:07

In the Twentieth Century, 500,000 people a year were killed by their own governments after their guns were taken away in the name of public safety. That amounts to 1370 a day for an entire century.

In the 20th Century women are responsible for at least One Billion terminations of human life – – primarily secular white women. Most of these pre-mature deaths occurred after 1972, post Roe v Wade.

Governments ain’t got nothin’ on mothers who’re commiting genocide of our species while still in the womb. The Chinese are mostly killing females only, so it’s a discriminate gendercide in their case. Muslim’s are permitted to control their gestational carriers, so they’re proliferating – and will eventually dominate any culture they live in.

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Mickey T December 15, 2012 at 11:47

I’m going to do this a little backwards, because I’ve been looking for a discussion devoted solely to what Feminism has done to our children. In my opinion it is the greatest of all their sins and there is evidence of it everywhere. I would write an article (don’t laugh yet) because I experienced family life etc before feminism, the transition period and after the indoctrination. I also grew up in a home with basically an absent father and I know the damage it did to the us “kids”. But you guys lucked out, I can’t do the article because it would take tooooooooo much time and it would require too much editing. Oddly enough, the title would be “Their Greatest Sin”

So, when Feminists convinced American women that the desires of women come before the well being of their children, we took a giant leap in the journey towards the destruction of our country as we know it.

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Mickey T December 15, 2012 at 12:20

Keyster,
1973 (Roe v Wade decision) to date is about 50+ million unborn babies killed. I know you didn’t say deaths of the unborn are most of the billion you speak of, but can you elaborate on that number.

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Huck Finn December 15, 2012 at 12:50

In nature, when the large herds of vegan eating herbivores become too large and numerous the result is an over-Consumption of limited food and water resources and the spreading of disease among the animals. Unless predators exist in the environment to control the excesses of the herd the result will be their own total or near self-destruction by not being able to grasp the consequences of the damage they are doing to the environment. If there are predators then the numbers of the apex and other predators — animals that live and hunt in smaller groups and individually — begins to increase. They cull and reduce the herd animals that have allowed themselves to grow out of control and to challenge nature. The herds cannot continue to exist without the hunters. Eventually balance is restored.

Feminists, modern womyn, and their supporters are the masses of herd animals living beyond their means. Omega males, other men in general, and our supporters are the hunters. The fat herds of feminists are increasingly feeling the impact of the hunters.

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El Bastardo December 15, 2012 at 17:36

@Keyster

I read America Alone as well; it sits in my personal library from when I read three years ago I agree with that Canadian who wrote it for sure; he is right on.

Demography is king in these scenarios; but our problem is not the “hardware” to solve our problem, wwe have it in abundance. It is a “software” issue; namely our liberal operating program. It is like a social schism between reality, and the wonderous paradise of self-nflicte pain these creatures plague themselves with; simultaneously claiming they are the only ones who got it right.

I don’t know, maybe our time has come as white people? I don’t have a dog in the fight as I was raised by a single mom, and have two kids with women of “exotic” genetic makeup (read foreign). If I met a white girl in the future maybe; but she would have to be foreign. The thing is we failed to do two things; and actually it sstated with the best of intentions. A, trying to play nice guy and B, not seeing the writing on the wall; we were to well fed, overcame most of our obstavles, and felt it necessary to “correct our past wrongs.”

Only to find out our “rongs” were never orus to begin with. I discovered the har way that my ancesty was actually a slave for the slave protion; and actually our fathers to ancient ancestors were not the monsters feminists painted us as.

When I discovered that, a bunch of feminsts and mnorities I work with did not know what to say when I proved it after they “challenged me.”
Strangely did not want to talk to me anymore either. Not that I cared. I don’t care who you are, or what you look like; technically, outside of my religious POV, I don’t even care who you bang.

Make no mistake though; if I perceive something is wrong, I am going to say nicely first, and ruthlessly in ction and deed if you don’t later. I always try to be open for discussion. I just sadly feel discussion is quickly coming to an end with certain groups of people; single moms, the more racist segment of minorities, douche disingenuous liberal “schoalrs,” and politicians.

Everyone else is cool. We can even klink beers and agree to disagree. The thing is, if and when the EBT cards don’t pay out; I am glad I have armament, and live outside the city limits!

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Cultural_Expat December 15, 2012 at 17:41

It was saddening to see one of the teachers involved in the sandy hook maasacre describe how she “protected” the children. Crying and trembling recounted how she shut off the lights, locked the door, huddled them into the back closets and begged them to be quiet. she went on describing essentially how she was paralyzed with fear as she heard shot after shot after shot.

this is not her fault, but I’m sorry, she’s not my hero.

It is time, way pat time, to recognize this culture, this society for what it is. And certainly the feminist are of the marxist/globalist or whater-ist it is, is largely responsible for the last spraling degradation of society over the last 50 years.

As many thinking men know, the first part of solving a problem is identifying it-The culture is largley a special interest, immoral shithole that has produced a pathological society.

The schools over the last 50 years are largely indactination camps teaching all about homosexuality, reproductive rights, tolorance, equality-standing out above and beyond your peers due to established norms of merit is frowned upon. igh school graduates today can tell you all about how to put a condom on a cucumber or where to get an abortion, but are highley unlikely to be able to convert a fraction to a decimal or tell you what and why the Magna Carta was important.

The last 50 years of public education has seen standardized test scores go from top 3 to just under 20 when ranked internationally.

Seeing the schools as indoctrination day cares in a sick society that they were instrumental in perpetuating…the least we can expect is that our children will make it out physically safe so we have a chance at their minds as young adults.

paradym shift is necessary.
Some, if not all teachers in all public schools should be trained, and recurringly trained in armed self-defense. as I heard on the radio today, and strongly disagreed with “arming teachers might be a good idea but we can’t expect teachers to be armed…” fuck ‘em, not only would I expect it, I would make securing the physical safety of our innocent children the highest priority and defense training and retraining a prerequisite for employment. Defense training is not cowering with 7 year old, praying to God, Obama, or Abzug that today is your lucky day.

right now public education is all about what can be done to make the teachers job easier, or less taxing (granting that the severly dysfunctiol culture produces more and more children that are harder and harder to educate as their familys have had goverment sponsered and subsidized generational breakdown and ideologically fronted profit driven breakups resulting in children becoming more and more isolated and vulnerable)

I know this will go to guns, no-guns bullshit in the political theatre but everbody knows if you want something illegal then you’ll get it.

teachers that are trained and armed to make keeping our children physically safe will create a natural deterent to mad-persons wishing to find easy targets to explode their homocidal hate on. And if they are stupid enough to attack a school where they know teachers are armed and trained, then perhaps that madperson would have opened the door to that blonde teacher, back braced against the wall opposite, the door with a 45 waiting to shoot as necessary…that would have been my hero…that would be my expectation going forward in this devolving culture.

Finally, may all that died, and particuliarly the poor little children, rest in peace and be in the care of a loving God.

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jimbo December 15, 2012 at 17:54

Race and feminism, feminism and race… They cannot be separated. In our case, our female and male feminists have long used minorities in their war against the white male patriarchy. They apparently can’t understand that it is they, that are increasingly going to be the “used”. And who is going to save them?

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joeb December 15, 2012 at 20:01

Every state has had there sandy hook . We still resolve to learn nothing . The female dominated Teaching staffs at elementary schools are filled with feminist trash hell bent on emasculating young boys . Weather or not there is a connection ,We must look harder at the problem .
The only logical reason a young mans growth would falter at a K 1 to k 6 level must be an lack of understanding of young men’s needs . A more physical training is imperative to there development rather then a rigorous academic onslaught . .
These feminist are breeding psychopaths with deep seated problems derived from the emasculation received during formative training .
Male staff should fill at least half the classrooms . sports stats and mechanical training can teach math and science and history rather then typical bland psychological torment .
Boys are different ! There need for physical activity is great . They can be one in the same . But , Feminist social workers focus only on the needs of Little girls that can’t do math .

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joeb December 15, 2012 at 20:31
evilwhitemalempire December 15, 2012 at 21:33

MRA December 14, 2012 at 16:23
Lesbians actually prefer women who have ready-made families because of this convenient perk.

Which is why lesbians go after women married to men and kids, they are some sort of homewrecker but more despicable, lesbian usually find pleasure in in taking a woman from a man, in college you see many lesbian trying to take away every women they see at a party with a man.
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http://www.angryharry.com/esEnvyJealousy.htm?note

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evilwhitemalempire December 15, 2012 at 21:41

the logic train works as follows:

legitamize same sex marriage to legitamize lesbian marriage

legitamize lesbian marriage to legitamize the further marginalization of men

marginalize men to start an all female (lesbian) society

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evilwhitemalempire December 15, 2012 at 21:56

TFH December 14, 2012 at 17:13
I truly want lesbians to lose a lot of money to divorce lawyers, and for one lesbian to pay alimony to another, so that the recipient gets a new girlfriend who is living large on the alimony of the first (older) lesbian.

This is sort of what is needed to expose Family Law for the abomination it is. Lesbians are the only type of victim who can be vocal about the unfairness without being dismissed.

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if you’re waiting for lesbians to do your fighting for you then you’ll be waiting a long time

“help, hitler! they’re killing the jews!”

you honestly believe that family law was engineered against men without any input from lesbians?

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bruno December 16, 2012 at 03:25

Staying off topic:

That’s what you get with single mothers hoarding guns and not keeping them out of reach of their disturbed children.

When a man buys a gun, he’s considered a potential mass murderer, but when a woman buys a gun, she’s applauded, and celebrated, it’s sooo empowering.

Other women and white knights are cheering and laughing with enthusiasm when she proudly holds that big gun in her sweaty little hands.

Because they all know what the gun is for: it’s not for shooting women, it’s for shooting men.

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bruno December 16, 2012 at 03:32

There are even men who buy guns for their wife, and push her to start training and practice shooting.

So she can “protect herself against the bad guys”.

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bruno December 16, 2012 at 03:40

Giving or selling a gun to a person who KNOWS that she will NOT be punished if she shoots somebody with it, is highly irresponsible.

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Poiuyt December 16, 2012 at 06:13

Gendertopia is taking far too much exploitative advantage of its boys by validating bestial mothers, enproblematizing their fathers and bartering off male children of divorce to father deprived households, in the name of womens rights. Why should only one parent alone, on the basis of her gender, be gifted monopoly authority over all the family where before every member had rights, status and security ?

Why are young boys being developmentally retarded by their deliberately being isolated and ostracised from their own fathers whom are then forced to pay for this abominable crime ?

Isolated and exploited boys only grow up suppressing rage and loneliness around their violent and domineering single mothers. And it is well kown that single mothers and divorcees are types of pople whom characteristically ever blame ejected fathers and innocent sons for their ongoing abuse and wickedness.

The social costs and crises of Divorce, bastardy, abortion, domestic violence and mass killings will continue growing because of gendertopias blind validation of bestial single motherhood and other falsely contrived womens rights delusions.

Note that mass killer, Andreas Breavik of Norway, was also a product of bastardy and isolation from his father. A developmentally retarding punishment, unfairly wrought on him by a single mother excercising her womens rights to family dominance/monopoly and subsidised single motherhood.

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Mickey T December 16, 2012 at 07:12

I don’t know if was mentioned here yet, but reports say that teacher, Vickie Soto, at Sandy Hook school “put her body between the gunman and the children and may have saved a first grade class” It’s also reported that the information may have originated from her family.

Off topic and sub topic-

Sec’y of State, Hillary Clinton, is finally (after months) supposed to appear before The House/Senate Intelligence Committee in the investigation of the Benghazi murders. The hearing is scheduled to take place within the week, but it seems Ms Clinton took a fall and is suffering from a concussion.. She is at home recovering from this concussion, so she will not be able to attend the hearing.

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Mickey T December 16, 2012 at 07:30

Should have mentioned that Ms Soto was killed.

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Some Guy in Texas December 16, 2012 at 08:22

@joeb: You have good points all of which I agree with, but the Lanza kid appears to have issues that have nothing to do with school. It sounds like Lanza came out of the womb with problems. He is reported to have Asperger syndrome and to have been extremely shy and withdrawn. He was correcting other children’s Latin homework at age 14, excelled in English literature, and was a computer whiz. He seems to have been somewhat intellectual. If academics were emphasized and not athletics and indoctrination, he would have done better.

Lack of physical activity is not the problem. Games have consumed America. I have a 15-year-old and a 12-year-old. The 15yo is very athletic and highly respected in the neighborhood because of it. My 12yo is not very athletic and does not command the same respect. He watches the other boys play football, etc. and only joins in when they play soccer, which is rare. Neither of my boys has ever set foot in a public school and never will. We have homeschooled them since 2002. They are both a lot smarter and better behaved than their neighborhood friends, some of whom are on Ritalin and have other problems. The other parents in the neighborhood love them.

In the public school social scene, he was invisible. I have not heard of him being bullied or anything like that. He was not noticed, which can be as bad as bullying. Why did he choose a kindergarten class? I have no idea. His mother wasn’t even working there at the time.

@jimbo: Heroin and cocaine were legal to purchase over the counter before 1914 and marijuana was legal until 1936. Rampant drug use is a symptom not the problem. All-encompassing government is the problem. The more laws they pass, the worse things get.

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Visionary December 16, 2012 at 08:49

This is a bit off topic but, in the wake of this national tragedy in CT, what I’m starting to realize is that people only begin addressing the problems that men and boys face when they stop conforming to societal expectations and, simply put, start scaring and hurting others.

This particular blog post has been making rounds on Facebook today: http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.com/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html

A mother who has a teenaged child who is becoming increasingly angry and difficult to control. Not surprisingly, he’s been pegged with a variety of mental illnesses and summarily drugged repeatedly since his elementary school days despite being a genius and being able to wax poetically about einsteinian physics.

What I find intriguing is that people in the comments and on my facebook page seem to have an emotional response (a “we need to DO something NOW!” feeling) because they equate this particular kid with the variety of misanthropic kids that end up shooting up schools. In reality, the vast majority of these sorts of misanthropes wind up committing suicide with their firearms, but THAT wasn’t an impetus for this, now very popular, blog post. Despite the fact that they self-terminate at an absurdly high rate relative to girls, and have BEEN doing so for decades.

In other words, society needs to act now because these boys are dangers to others. When their killings were limited to suicides, there apparently was no need for a large scale societal intervention. The hypocrisy irritates me.

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Manlyman December 16, 2012 at 09:02

Price, your article begs answers to these two nagging questions:

1) If married lesbians are having an argument, who is wrong?

2) When something goes awry in a lesbian household, which man is to blame?

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Cultural_Expat December 16, 2012 at 09:24

jimbo, if the feminists really gave a shit about violence, real violence-not the defined violence du jour coming out of womens studies departments, the would honorably say “no thanks to the VAWA money” and please put it towards black on black male violence solutions as that is a problem exponentially larger than the construed violence against women.

doing that though you might get to the route and the gatekeeper: The single mother.

pathetic academic prejudice and selfishness that they keep their hands out while shrieking how bad it is for them…pathetic.

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geographybeefinalisthimself December 16, 2012 at 10:00

Feminists are probably pissed that of the twenty children killed in Sandy Hook, twelve were girls. All six of the faculty and staff killed were women, another fact that probably enrages feminists as well, even though female teachers give male teachers the welcome that would greet a non-white at a white supremacist rally. Female teachers already make boys unwelcome in their own classrooms.

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Mickey T December 16, 2012 at 11:49

Lee Harvey Oswald’s father died when he was a young boy, and his mother never let forget that he is a burden to her; Charlres Manson’s mother sold him for a six pack of beer when he was a baby; Ted Bundy never knew who his bio father was, and he was lead to believe that his grandparents were his parents, and his mother was his sister in order for his mother to avoid criticism for having a child out of wedlock; David Berkowitz’s mother and sister moved without telling him. When he came home from the Service he found them gone.
Is this pattern denied because it puts women in an unfavorable light?

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Mickey T December 16, 2012 at 12:08

We actually know little solid facts about the event Friday and it will take some time before enough facts come out to guide us in the right direction in trying to prevent more of the same. Nobody knows why this young man did this, but we do have some evidence from similar incidents to help direct some of our resources to specific areas in our efforts. There are many factors to be explored.

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Mickey T December 16, 2012 at 12:33

I guess off topic has become on topic-

Suggestion: Do NOT allow the other children to go back to that school. Tear down the complex and use it for a memorial park etc. Use other schools, buildings, temporary structures etc to finish the school term.
Build another school at a different location funded through private donations, unless the municipality (people) wants to fund it differently. I Don’t there will be any shortage of funds if managed properly and it should easily be completed by the next school year in Sept. 2013

NO GOVERNMENT (TAXPAYER) INVOLVEMENT!!!

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bruno December 16, 2012 at 13:54

@ manlyman

“Price, your article begs answers to these two nagging questions:

1) If married lesbians are having an argument, who is wrong?

2) When something goes awry in a lesbian household, which man is to blame? ”

And more urgently:

3) Which man is going to PAY for all this?

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Mickey T December 16, 2012 at 14:29

Briefly, last week I called my Congresswoman and US Senator’s office to demand that they go forward with the Begnhazi investigations/hearings because we’ve heard nothing on it for over a month.
I’m going to do the same on the Sandy Hook incident.

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Mickey T December 16, 2012 at 14:30

If this doesn’t tell us that we’re not taking care of our children, I don’t know what will.

They are all our children and we failed them.

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oddsock December 16, 2012 at 15:27

Mickey T

I understand your anger but I need to ask, just who do you mean when you say “They are all our children ” ?

Either way and I am not trying to lead you into anything. I agree we have failed children and for many years. IMHO globally and in so many ways.

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bruno December 17, 2012 at 03:34

It seems that the shooter went crazy after having a big argument with four (4!) female adults at the school.

That shy skinny young man alone against 4 bigmouth empowered women.

The next day he was so boiling angry that he shot his own mother, the 3 of these women that he could find, a lot of innocent children, and then finally, himself.

One of these 4 women survived the shooting, because she was absent that day.
It would be very interesting to know what the argument was about, and who said what.

Especially if we want to point the finger at who’s to blame.

But we’ll never know, because there is only one survivor, and she can say whatever she wants, nobody can check if it’s true.

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bruno December 17, 2012 at 04:09

If the genders were reversed, if it was a young girl who shot adult males (and innocent children, and then herself), then everybody would IMMEDIATELY suggest that she was the victim of harassment, abuse, or psychological terror, and that she “saw no other option” than to shoot those bullies.

And the feminazi terror brigade would cheer for her, give her victim status, and lift her up to Holy Martyrdom.

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Tam the Bam December 17, 2012 at 07:01

Manlyman December 16, 2012 at 09:02
” 1) If married lesbians are having an argument, who is wrong?
2) When something goes awry in a lesbian household, which man is to blame?

Since it wasn’t possible then, the XX/XX pair in the ground-floor apartment weren’t married, but they lived in that house for a good decade before vanishing (yes, I checked the cellar when the opportunity arose, so, probably not. They couldn’t drive, either).
In this case they invariably took their rat-arsed drunken shriekfests into the street below our windows, or out back in the common garden-thing. About 2 a.m., and random times throughout the weekend.
They rarely fought in the house, which was odd. Although we all realized it was a fairly staged performance.

Thanks to the mens’ forums, I now see that the invariable outcome of these incredibly noisy, rolling on the deck scratching and slapping freakouts was that All Men Within Earshot were the culprits.

As one window after another shot up, and zombified (male half of) parents of wakened babies, and guys who were supposed to be out the door with their steelcap boots and Thermos flasks at 6.30 a.m. roared their considered opinions at this pair of middle-aged wasters.

At which point the happy couple turned 180, and combined to bellow foul abuse at the men and they’d been systematically depriving of sleep for months, and years, in some cases, marching up and down the (middle-class brownstone) street issuing 120 dB sweary challenges to all and sundry, until it was time to retire inside for a congratulatory nightcap at a job well done, and yet another day under the duvet.

No the police wouldn’t turn out for that sort of stuff. Always claimed to be overworked and snarled up in something well lairy, further into the city center. Men fighting in the street, OTOH .. lovely, chance to kick some heads in, nee-naw nee-naw.

I suppose there’s an outside chance they might have finally ticked off the wrong guy eventually (there were/are at least one or two serious geezers in the street) and are now nestled together with an engine block in an old net, at the bottom of the estuary. More likely in a clinic for “wet-brain” though.

So the answer seems to be, The Blame, at all times and everywhere, lies squarely with any men they can provoke a response from, using the most extreme methods necessary.
Same old same old.

Oh nearly forgot, their large, incontinent dogs would bark insanely inside the apartment throughout the show, as a chorus. Happy days!

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Mickey T December 17, 2012 at 10:00

oddsock

The buck stops where ever men are.

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joeb December 17, 2012 at 10:43

This is a good crossover , Even know the two topics seem to have nothing to do with each other they really have a lot of in common .
Removing are boys from there Fathers and letting Lesbians raise them is a bad Idea . Also 84% of teachers are Females . So who is raising the Boys .
Female don’t understand Male aggression ,They punish it and emasculate the Boys putting all that aggression in deep seated little packages ( Snake Eggs ) time bombs . For society to deal with later .
So , when it happens do we really need to ask why ? And really them Eggs are going to Hatch .

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Born Free December 17, 2012 at 12:52

To paraphrase a quote from Will Rogers:
“I’ve never met a lesbian I liked.”

And to Rob regarding weed:
I know what you mean about weed being one of life’s simple pleasures. But whereas it does seem that the Powers That Be are using it to keep the masses placated, my examination of the Amsterdam model of decriminalization indicates that once the forbidden fruit aspect of weed is lifted, then people become blase’ about it. The Netherlands actually have statistically fewer people using weed than in the United States because it seems so common to them.

Used in excess weed can make you stupid. Used in moderation, it can make you think about things a little more thoroughly than usual. And that is why I think the PTB don’t want people to have easy access to it. It makes them think too much.

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Mickey T December 17, 2012 at 16:20

She was a “single mom” and she used to bring Adam to the range to shoot for recreation.
Everybody OK with that?

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Mickey T December 17, 2012 at 16:39

Oh-she thought the shooting together might be a good for a “mother and son bonding thing”. “He wouldn’t let her touch him and she couldn’t even hug him”. The young man was having difficulty socially……………..

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oddsock December 17, 2012 at 16:48

Bruno

“It seems that the shooter went crazy after having a big argument with four (4!) female adults at the school.”

Now just imagine how one woman can drive a guy up the wall. Here we see there is a good chance this poor guy was trying to cope with 4 women. Lets not forget, all four would be playing for team woman.

See if you can any connections?

Just to remind everyone I have pasted an excerpt from Erin Pizzeys book the Emotional Terrorist and would add that there are now quite a few websites and women who now try and warn others ( mostly men ) of this widespread/common tactic used by virtually all women.

Excerpt from Erin Pizzeys book; The Emotional Terrorist:-

The family well may be characterized as violent, incestuous, dysfunctional, and unhappy, but it is the terrorist or tyrant who is primarily responsible for initiating conflict, imposing histrionic outbursts upon otherwise calm situations, or (more subtly and invisibly) quietly manipulating other family members into uproar through guilt, cunning taunts, and barely perceptive provocations. ( The quiet manipulative terrorist usually is the most undetected terrorist. Through the subtle creation of perpetual turmoil, this terrorist may virtually drive other family members to alcoholism, to drug-addiction, to explosive behavior, to suicide. The other family members, therefore, are often misperceived as the “family problem” and the hidden terrorist as the saintly woman who “puts up with it all.”)

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Mickey T December 17, 2012 at 17:05

Dr Micheal Baden, who frequently appears as a medical consult on FOX News, was interviewed Friday. He described some possibilities as to what went wrong the young man to cause him to do what he did. The doctor’s last words were “the answer may lie in the relationship he had with his mother”. The interview ended.

I could have missed it, but in all the coverage I watched on this event, nobody went near mother-son relationship problems. The info I just reported was from today and nothing was said to indicate there was anything wrong with what the mother did. Not even a question.

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geographybeefinalisthimself December 17, 2012 at 18:21

The mother, Nancy Lanza, spoke poorly of her ex-husband, Peter Lanza, the latter of whom was paying her almost 300 grand in alimony payments for calendar year 2012.

I wonder if Adam was within earshot of his mother when she spoke ill of Adam’s father.

Even if the tragedy had not occurred, the lack of gratitude the mother showed for the person making the massive alimony payments should deter any male from tying the knot with any female.

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oddsock December 17, 2012 at 18:54

geographybeefinalisthimself

“Even if the tragedy had not occurred, the lack of gratitude the mother showed for the person making the massive alimony payments should deter any male from tying the knot with any female.”

Not grateful for 300K alimony ? Why should she ? Who cares ? Men obviously don’t.

Let’s be totally honest here. How many of us have ever met a truely grateful woman ? Sad things is, we have wall to wall male sacrifice and is so many areas of life with so many men actually taking a pride in their enslavement. Why would any woman ever need to show gratitude for anything ? We easily forget most women firmly believe just turning up for a date is enough and the man should be grateful. I wonder why they think that ?

This is the scale of near female sainthood that exists. Its like the Matrix.

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brigadon December 17, 2012 at 19:45

and meanwhile, in Isreal, Armed teachers protect their students daily.

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Gamerp4 December 17, 2012 at 19:47

“If gay marriage means that children’s and fathers’ rights must take a back seat to lesbian rights”

And this is exactly whats going to happen and no body can do anything about it because we have two women in this and they won’t let the big meany man hurt the fewlings of these 2 darlings.

Whether they agree or not but i am liking the idea of Gay marriage, Fuck its already messed up so why not mess it up more, For me women can turn lesbian and fuck as many dildos as they can, it won’t hurt even a inch of my hair but DON’T HURT THE MEN GENDER which is what we are fighting for.

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bruno December 18, 2012 at 04:55

What we are seeing now is again such a clear example of political opportunism: to grab the moment of this drama and use it for the own profit.

Notice how fast and furious the anti-freedom lobby want to use this moment to ban guns.

Nobody cares about those children, about the teachers, about the mother, and certainly not about the sad life of Adam himself, what made him build up such a deep hatred for women, and which accident finally drove him over the edge.

My humble guess is that getting verbally gang-banged by four loudmouth entitled females at school probably had something to do with it.

Back at home, an attempt to understand “female logic” made his brain explode.

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Mickey T December 18, 2012 at 06:18

If the deep thinking ant-gun crowd want to increase restrictions on guns I have a suggestion:
Make it a serious crime to introduce guns to people who are know to have psychological difficulties, especially where minors are involved.

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Anonymous December 18, 2012 at 06:30

Lesbo children-stealing… more disempowerment for men, more advancement for Feminism.

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Mickey T December 18, 2012 at 06:31

The restrictions should also include allowing access to guns, especially where semi-automatic, hi-capacity, larger caliber hand guns and assault weapons are involved.

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Mickey T December 18, 2012 at 14:49

I turned on the news of the enemy a few minutes ago and there was CNN anchor, Wolf Blitzer, on location interviewing who looked to be the sheriff.

Blitzer- We all know this always going to happen, how can we make it better?
Sheriff- We can practice more drills like fire drills.
Blitzer- Do you think there should be a national commitee to investigate school safety?
Sheriff- That’s above me.

The death of those twenty children may only serve to further the very ideology which killed them.

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bruno December 18, 2012 at 15:36

Maybe Obama should ban kitchen knives too:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/14/chinese-children-knife-primary-school

More than 20 children seriously wounded by crazy man who panicked because he thought the world was going to end.
He chopped them in the head and in the face with the typical giant razor sharp chopping-cutting knife that can be found in every chinese kitchen.

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Mickey T December 18, 2012 at 18:15

Stories say Adam was very angry at his mother just before the event, because he knew that she was planning to send him to psychiatric institution.

The question is, if she knew he was that disturbed, why were the weapons accessible to him. Unless he broke into a secured area etc.

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The Have Hope Network December 21, 2012 at 15:08

Very true ststements

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