The Feminist Hudna

by Pro-male/Anti-feminist Tech on December 10, 2012

When speaking about mens rights issues, one thing you will hear plenty of times is some variant of “why can’t we declare a truce between feminists and MRAs?”  or “why can’t we have a truce in the battle of the sexes?”  Suzanne Venker even called for a “truce” in a followup to her “war on men” article.  It’s a form of triangulation to get MRAs and MGTOW to shut up, but there is more to it than that.  It’s a Feminist Hudna.

A hudna is an Islamic term for a truce.  The first hudna was the Treaty of al-Hudaybiyya, a 10 year truce in 628 AD ending hostilities between Mohammed and the Arabian tribe of Quraysh.  Muhammad and his followers used the period of truce to rebuild their forces, and after just 2 years the treaty was broken leading to the defeat of the Quraysh tribe.  There are conflicting interpretations of what happened.  One interpretation says that Muhammad and his followers had no intention of honoring the treaty and were planning to attack as soon as they could marshal their forces to defeat the Quraysh tribe.  Another interpretation says that the Quraysh tribe broke the treaty.  While either interpretation could be correct, the former interpretation describes how feminists act.

The reason why we hear all this talk about a “truce” from feminists and others is because feminism has run into some real problems.  Men are starting to wake up to what feminism (and female behavior in general) is doing.  Men under 30, in particular, are waking up in huge numbers and getting fed up with women.  Increasing numbers of men are deciding to go ghost and completely ignore women.  Even men who aren’t going ghost are avoiding marriage.  Plenty of men have realized that they only want to work as much as they needed leading to less money going to government coffers and women who need a financial bailout.  With feminism starting to run off the rails, what do feminists and other female supremacists do?  They declare they want a “truce” that is really a hudna so that they can regroup, strengthen themselves, and lull men into a false sense of security.  They have no intention of stopping their campaign against men or actually respecting the rights of men.

There is no such thing as an honest truce with feminists or other types of female supremacists.  It’s all a hudna so that they can regroup and attack men harder.

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W.F. Price December 10, 2012 at 09:27

@jaericho

-thanks

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Alef ze aba December 10, 2012 at 09:55

In israel, when the Supreme Court itself is writing judgments in praise of radical feminism (see, Orit Goren v Homecenter, judge Neil Handel), chances of a Hudna are zero.

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Lyn87 December 10, 2012 at 09:56

What does the word “truce” even mean in this context? It’s a military term that means both sides stop shooting – period. It is predicated on the idea that the sides can separate in some way, and makes no sense in any other context.

If she really wants a truce, then she would have to advocate that all divorces be put on hold until the truce is over. As long as half of all marriages end in divorce, and women initiate the vast majority of divorces and collect cash and prizes, then any “truce” would need to suspend women’s right to initiate no-fault divorce, as well as have her accusations taken seriously unless she can meet the SAME requirements any other accuser would have to meet…

… and stop publishing the names of men accused of sexual crimes unless and until they are convicted by a jury of their peers, unless they will agree to publish the names of the women making the accusations with the same vigor…

… and make the withholding of visitation a crime with the same punishment as withholding child support…

… and linking “choice” with “responsibility:” if women have unilateral authority in determining whether a pregnancy ends in birth, then they also have unilateral responsibility to care for any resulting children…

… and ending ALL legal preferences that favor on sex over the other – and we all know which sex would benefit the most from leveling THAT playing field…

Does Suzanne Venker advocate all of that while this “truce” is in effect? Guess what Suzanne, a truce doesn’t just mean your enemy stops shooting at you, you have to stop shooting as well.

Otherwise a “truce” just means that women get to retain their ability to snipe at men at will and men get to “take it like a man.

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Jerry December 10, 2012 at 10:04

Excellent point.

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POD December 10, 2012 at 10:11

Ignore the truce calls. It’s nothing more than a PR stunt. Peace between feminists and MRAs, is like peace between killer whales and penguins.

I’m not seeing the “men waking up and turning their backs on women” around here (India) , although my facebook posts seem to have got a few at least now have their ears primed to listen up.

Peace – only when feminism is completely destroyed, vanquished and women teach their daughters to respect men, boys and all creatures male.

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Anon December 10, 2012 at 10:19

A feminist Hunda eh ?

Well that is why all that is done by men activists, must be done with a view to institutionalising ourselves, our conceptions and our ideals.

Nothing else beats the eternal vigilance against a feminist Hunda that standing institutions represent given their inertia, their ligitimacey, their funding, their staffing etc.

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Zorro December 10, 2012 at 10:34

Increasing numbers of men are deciding to go ghost and completely ignore men.

I’ve been ignoring men my entire life. Except when they buy me beer on my birthday.

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Uncle Elmer December 10, 2012 at 10:48

OK, in the future I will practice my “HTML” offline.

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ContrarianExpatriate December 10, 2012 at 10:48

A truce is a loss for both sides. MRA’s need to be willing to fight to the end, whatever that might be.

Any truce talk is a scam intended to lure the weakest men off of the fence.

Total destruction and legal disempowerment of feminism is what is necessary. Short of that, count me out!

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MRA December 10, 2012 at 11:02

“Plenty of men have realized that they only want to work as much as they needed leading to less money going to government coffers and women who need a financial bailout.”

I recently met some young men from age 20 to 28 working in a cleaning company in NY, they were working cleaning the disaster left by Sandy, something they do is work just to pay rent, cellphone, internet, food etc as long as they can pay the basic and afford their hobbies like video games they are happy, after marriage became toxic , men were still rooting the bill through taxes, women believing men will be always there to work their ass off to keep women warm during winter.

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Lyn87 December 10, 2012 at 11:03

Holy crap, Elmer – those links almost made my lunch come out my nose. That’s hilarious, and it got me to wondering how well that drivel sells.

I found this chart for 2010 when I searched for “book sales by genre”:

http://lmpreston.blogspot.com/2011/10/ebook-vs-paperback-book-sales-by-genre.html

Romance novels were the winners, with “Paranormal” a close second. Since the “Paranormal” category probably includes stuff like the “Twilight Saga,” then the biggest sellers in that category might really be “Romance” as well.

Books about feminism don’t even merit their own category, and whatever category they are counted in is dwarfed by the sales of what can only be categorized as “Hypergamy Porn for Women.”

No surprise there: no matter how much women have been taught to think like feminists, they still feel like women: they want to be dominated by alpha men. For most modern women feeling trumps thinking.

Feminist is doomed.

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Bill December 10, 2012 at 11:14

They realized that the Mra is a force to be reckoned with and it continues to grow. I realize that the only way to truely end feminism and all the bias is to have an economic meltdown or war break out or for men to simply start acting back to women the way they are doing for men. Men are starting to treat women with the respect the modern women deserves (none). Game and other tactics are starting to get women’s attention, especially when they are 40 and no guy will touch their disgusting body. They had their fun playing around, now they pay the price(lownlyness and worthlessness). I say that groups like game have the most Immeadently effect on women because it take hold of one of their greatest weakness (emotion). Telling them they are beautiful and then sleeping with them and letting them live a life of worthlessness.

While I personally don’t care to much for game, I know that it brings enjoyment to me and I can simply forget about the girl after and have no emotion attachment. Where women always have a emotional connection (yes even sluts). The best thing to do is continue our efforts and bring down the beast.

I would love to think otherwise, but a truce is nothing by letting them regroup and try to find clever ways to spin mra as a bad thing.

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zed December 10, 2012 at 11:15

@Elmer

Did you delete your post? I inserted an image tag into it for one of your images.

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Zorro December 10, 2012 at 11:45

There is no hudna.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/11/26/fox_s_war_on_men_blames_women.html

Venker is a so-con woman selling a “Get Married!” book in the age of the “end of men” and needs to spin her marketing strategy.

She is laughed at roundly. See (if you can stomach it) Rosin’s article. The photo alone is enough to make you want to strangle her.

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Uncle Elmer December 10, 2012 at 12:02

@zed

I requested a deletion on first attempt. Price must have deleted your version so Elmer doesn’t start posting his collection of nakkid lady pichers.

My original comment was :

No truce.

We demand Unconditional Surrender

Or is that the title of a ladie’s romance novel?

http://www.the-spearhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/surrender.jpg

http://www.the-spearhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/surrender-2.jpg

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Uncle Elmer December 10, 2012 at 12:16

“Romance novels were the winners, with “Paranormal” a close second. Since the “Paranormal” category probably includes stuff like the “Twilight Saga,” then the biggest sellers in that category might really be “Romance” as well.”

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Well, that explains a lot. I got the images from a book site I surf looking for gems such as Adventure in Material Science : They Physics of Paint Drying, Volume 7 and find it about 90% infested with lady porn tracts.

By the way, my brother who has been working a tortured writer persona for decades though was actually a “technical writer” for IBM has recently managed to get one of his epics published for the “teen coming of age” market. Personally I find his work creepy and disturbing so am not able to provide a synopsis.

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keyster December 10, 2012 at 12:25

Venker is talking about a truce between men and women. I doubt she knows a “Men’s Rights Movement” even exists. She reacted to all the vitriol from the left that her “The War on Men” article inspired. She is also trying to start a “buzz” about a book she has coming out in February. Fox News is giving her a platform to criticize feminism and women, much like they used to allow Mark Rudov to speak. This should delight MRA’s – – but I can dream.

To some even Warren Farrell kinda sucks because he used to be a feminist. Can’t win the war on humanity against the erstwhile misanthrope. It’s all bad. Trust no one!

A truce between MRA’s and Feminists means feminists would like MRA’s to stop criticizing them. Too many popular blogs and videos to silence…can’t censor the interwebs…it’s scary. What if it breaks-thru to the mainstream and stays there? The Death of Feminism is imminent!

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LostInTheWoods December 10, 2012 at 12:38

I’ve escaped the plantation and now the slave master wants to call a truce?

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Huck Finn December 10, 2012 at 12:45

IMO, a truce cannot be called asking for both sides to stand down since I have not observed men and boys fighting back against the massive feminist anti-male attack machine except for the relatively few MRAs and males deciding to act by non-fighting techniques such as ghosting and the marriage strike.

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geographybeefinalisthimself December 10, 2012 at 13:13

“why can’t we declare a truce between feminists and MRAs?” or “why can’t we have a truce in the battle of the sexes?”

It’s feminists’ (and probably also manginas’ and white knights’) fault, pure and simple. They are currently reaping what they previously sowed. I’d like to see them stop using more double standards than MRA’s and stop objectifying men more than MRA’s objectify women.

NEVER cave to a feminist’s demand for a truce.

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Uncle Elmer December 10, 2012 at 14:16

Price, new essay concept. Check draft and approve. Will submit after me and ForeignBride return from “Wal-Mart”.

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Alex December 10, 2012 at 17:20

What’s that old line, “The best defense is no be there.”
Go ghost and materialize only on your timetable, on your terms and to serve your own purposes. Those living their lives in the material realm slaving unwillingly on the fembot plantation due to court orders might see hope at this talk of a truce – however, there’s a long way to go before that offer is genuine – at this point it’s an appeal to a man’s masculinity – “Come on, don’t pick on us, we’re just girls.”

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Bob Smith December 10, 2012 at 19:22

Regardless of whether the Quraysh broke the treaty (I believe they didn’t, given what we know of Muhammad’s character), the real point to be made is that said treaty establishes, by virtue of Muhammad’s acts and words, the Islamic principle that agreements with non-Muslims exist only for the convenience of the Muslims, and should be broken as soon as it is to the Muslim’s advantage to do so.

That’s why you see what you see when Palestine attacks Israel: attack until you start losing, then claim victimhood and demand peace, use the peace to rest and rearm, then resume attacks. Exactly what feminists intend.

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brigadon December 10, 2012 at 21:19

I don’t want a truce. I want the feminists to fight harder, exposing themselves to ridicule with their retarded behavior. I want every feminist in a frenzy slapping more and more restrictions on the idiots that follow their rules in an attempt to catch those of us that ignore their stupid restrictions and have only one rule. “Don’t get caught”. I want bluepill men to be so badly abused and battered by women attempting to silence freedom that they are forced to see the truth, and react totally and definitively to ensure that they never have the power to do us harm again.
Until every bluepill man is in excruciating or deadly pain, they will never see the truth, or recognize the source of the knife sticking out of their backs.

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crella December 11, 2012 at 02:12

My reaction to ‘let’s declare a truce between feminists and MRAs’ was
‘Pffffft’ out loud, sitting here. ‘Ya, right!’ and some other colorful New England phrases that aren’t politically correct come to mind :-D Why not just declare a day to kiss scorpions, or rattle snakes? Same difference. Frikkin’ whackadoodles……

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Anonymous Reader December 11, 2012 at 10:42

As usual, feminists like Venker do not understand the righteous anger of men. There is no MRA. There is no equivalent of NOW, we men do not work that way. There is no one to sign a truce with. The resistance to feminism is from the grass roots, from each individual men. It is leaderless resistance; decapitation strategies, such as the SPLC tried, do not work; every Men’s Rights Awareness site on the web could be shut town this week, and others would replace them in a few months. Criminalize Men’s Rights Advocacy, and a Zamizdat network would replace it, with men forwarding text via encrypted messages, forwarded by flash drives passed from hand to hand if need be.

The truth is spreading. It won’t be stopped by threats, nor will it be stopped by sudden fake moments of “conscience”, either. We know what women are, and we know how they think, and we know what this sudden interest in a “truce” is all about.

Someone tell conservative feminists like Venker: it’s too late to apologize.

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crypter27 December 11, 2012 at 10:55

If these feminist think there will be a truce,they’re wrong MRA’s are done talking to feminist now all we want is freedom.

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Anonymous Reader December 11, 2012 at 11:05

keyster
She reacted to all the vitriol from the left that her “The War on Men” article inspired. She is also trying to start a “buzz” about a book she has coming out in February.

RIght, she’s pimping her book on how to choose a husband, so she can make more money.This is good for men, in what way, Keyster?

Fox News is giving her a platform to criticize feminism and women, much like they used to allow Mark Rudov to speak.

Fox News is giving her a platform to pimp her book. It happens that her book likely will suggest to women that they tone down their inner bitch, and treat their mule better. That won’t make any difference, because too many men under 30 know far more about women and relationships than conservative feminists like Venker have ever dreamed of. A book likely along the lines of hers would have worked 15 or so years ago, when “The Rules” was popular. But not now.

It is too late to apologize, and far too late for the sort of half-hearted, “Gee, we didn’t mean to hurt you guys that much” claptrap Venker is troting out.

This should delight MRA’s – – but I can dream.

Why should a conservative feminist, urging other women to take better care of their mule, delight me? Be specific, and give me facts. Don’t tell me what a horrid person i am for not kneeling along side you before Venker’s pedestal, Keyster, give me facts. How is Venker’s feminism all that much better for young men than the feminism of Marcotte? It’s “less bad”, but it is still feminism. It’s like having only one ball crushed instead of both – less painful, but still a major attack.

Venker cites brain research in her little “can’t we all just get along?” drivel on the Fox web site. That’s nice, but that brain research is going to tell more and deeper things than a conservative Feminist like Venker really is ready to deal with, in time, and the rad fems are absolutely not ready for the reality of the next few years in brain research.

We can expect more little gestures like Venker’s, from conservative feminists, in the years to come. And we can expect more whining, from conservative, feminist men like Keyster, urging us to just put the plow harness back on, – don’t bother to try to change any laws or social structures, just be happy teh wimmenz have decided to play a little bit nice – and neither will work. Keyster, the damage done is too deep for band aid stuff like Venker’s to have any effect.

Go read her article. She doesn’t mention VAWA, or Bradley. She doesn’t understand how all her “strong, independent” women friends basically got their jobs by stepping on the heads of men. She doesn’t get it. And so while she’ll get slammed from the feminists further to the left, and ignored by the righteously angry men. Why, you ask?

Because Venker’s truce is not nearly enough to make up for all the damage done over the last 30, 40, 50 years. It is truly too late to apologize.

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brigadon December 11, 2012 at 14:27

I have to definitely point up crella’s comment. That is utterly correct.

People self-identify with the MRA. each of us has a different idea of what it means. To some it means ‘true equality’, to others it means ‘men back in charge’, and to some it is john Norman, Gorean notion of women as natural slaves.

The thing is, every single man in the movement is the ‘leader’ of his own ship. every once in a while we choose to join in a flotilla to defeat a common enemy, such as that Bangor bitch, but we are a ‘movement’, not a party. We are a hydra.

This is not a war where you can choose sides and a battlefield to fight the enemy. The enemy is among us. We sleep with the enemy, and have children with the enemy. Each Man must be the captain of his own ship, and our independence is our strength. We are guerilla warriors, unable to be captured and cornered en masse, and every attempt to do so simply awakens more men to the truth.

A truce is not only stupid, it is impossible. There is no one to plead the truce to. For every man that decides to meekly accept truce terms, two more rise to take his place. The more information is clamped down, the more men are angered by lack of information and the clear destruction of the enemy.

‘Truce” cannot exist in a war like this. It will not occur until one side unconditionally surrenders… and guess what, feminism is organised and capable of surrendering. MRA’s are not.
The more things look grim, the more impossible it becomes to fail. The more setbacks men suffer, the stronger their rage becomes.
The more they are persecuted, the more their numbers swell.
The more they are censored, the stronger their information networks become.
the more they are suppressed, the more capable they become of fighting back.
And most importantly, women do not WANT to win.

Surrendering to men is in their blood, in their breeding, in their brain. Victory is inevitable, the only question is how much pain both men and women have to go through before it becomes a reality.

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Thanatos December 12, 2012 at 06:25

I have to say I am impressed by the mettle of you all. I’m with the majority of you,or all of you, too early to say which. No truce. No mercy. Stomp,stomp,stomp until the enemy is nothing but gore and bone chunks under our boots. As men we were bred for endurance and strength,now it’s time to put good breeding to good use.

Ridicule their leaders,lampoon their establishments,undermine their institutions,and flout their laws and customs boldly and mercilessly.

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Lord Valtrex December 12, 2012 at 09:29

What’s that old line, “The best defense is no be there.”
Go ghost and materialize only on your timetable, on your terms and to serve your own purposes.

That’s the Sun Tzu (“The Art of War”) strategy. Employed quite successfully by the Viet Cong, against the USA, during the Vietnam war.

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Lord Valtrex December 12, 2012 at 09:31

BTW, the word Truce (in woman-speak) means for men to unilaterally Surrender.

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brigadon December 12, 2012 at 18:32

“The more you tighten your grip, the more systems will slip through your fingers.”
-Princess Leia

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Michael December 13, 2012 at 07:39

@Lord Valtrex
“That’s the Sun Tzu (“The Art of War”) strategy. Employed quite successfully by the Viet Cong, against the USA, during the Vietnam war.”

That was before UAVs and recon satellites, but I suppose Sun Tzu would have had another ace up his sleeve.

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