Feminism’s Differential Demographic Impact

by W.F. Price on November 28, 2012

I’ve predicted on a number of occasions that whites will grow increasingly conservative as the post-1980 fertility gap between liberals and conservatives begins to really show itself amongst adults. Before 1980 or so, liberal and conservative whites had roughly the same number of children. Abortion may have had some role in changing that, but more important, I suspect, is careerism for more liberal-minded women. Women who care more about their careers have fewer children, because their period of ambition coincides with their fertility (likely for hormonal reasons, interestingly enough). Additionally, those whites who have liberal attitudes toward sex and marriage and opt to divorce tend to have fewer children, since most divorces occur relatively early – during or shortly after peak fertility – and single/divorced white women have a low birth rate.

Although I focus mainly on whites (I try to stay on familiar territory, but others with different perspectives are always welcome to send in an article), there has been another significant fertility trend in the black population that is worth looking into. Black fertility has fallen sharply in the last couple decades. Much faster than white fertility, although it still remains incrementally higher. However, the black fertility pattern is significantly different. Where the relatively conservative white middle class remains the most fertile white demographic, the black middle class has seen its fertility all but wiped out, even as more blacks than ever have joined its ranks.

It’s pretty clear that feminism and women’s lib have had an impact on white fertility trends, but what about black fertility? Does feminism have anything to do with it? Feminism has lowered young black women’s fertility by providing birth control, abortion and incentives to remain childless, which is mirrored in young white women of comparable socioeconomic levels. It seems that some aspects of feminism have had roughly the same result in both white and black populations, but what happened to the black middle class?

What has killed black middle class fertility and family formation is the more coercive, nastier form of feminism, which has hit the black male population with disproportionate force.

By this, I mean the punitive provisions of the 1994 crime bill and the Violence Against Women Act (not to mention earlier innovations in the child support industry). Plenty of white men have fallen victim to the excesses of contemporary family law, but the more fragile state of marriage in the black population has made it an even more critical issue for black men, and particularly those who are of a more sober, responsible disposition, because they end up paying most dearly.

Think about it this way: If you are some no-account petty crook, the state isn’t going to care much if you don’t pay a dime of child support. Sure, it makes for great headlines and talk show fare when you have some guy who knocked up a dozen or so women, but there isn’t much you can do about these knuckleheads. Put one in jail for arrears, and another instantly springs up to take his place (putting the mothers in jail would work better — females are the true key to birth control).

However, if you’re a relatively high earner, industrious and walk the straight and narrow, you’re a much, much bigger target. And if you’re a married black man, chances are you will be divorced at some point, probably while the kids are still minors, and the courts won’t be any nicer to you because you’ve got a job (although a lot of poor fools seem to think they will). If you’re single, you probably know that. So what does the intelligent, responsible black man do? He stays the hell away from marriage and does his best not to get a woman pregnant, choosing instead to keep what he earns and enjoy his liberty. All he needs to do to take the red pill is open his eyes and look around — it’s too obvious to ignore. As for black women, thanks to aggressive affirmative action, the more responsible among them are foisted into careers that all but guarantee limited fertility, and the prospect of single motherhood is no more attractive to them than to comparable white women.

Certain segments of the white population have developed a sort of limited immunity to the more damaging effects of feminism. Some do it by delaying marriage, and others through clinging to religion and tradition. It’s far from perfect, but it works for enough people to keep the damage under control. Although I doubt it’s the only factor, I’m pretty sure that the fact that whites are less urban than blacks gives them an advantage in this regard as well. Urban white fertility is abysmal, but there are enough whites out in the suburbs and exurbs to make up for it. The contemporary urban environment is utterly toxic to married couples, and it will likely stay that way for a long time to come, so those who remain in cities – no matter what race they are – will tend to be a lot more cautious about getting hitched. Unfortunately, it will typically be those who are less cautious and responsible who will have the highest fertility in cities.

Because of geography and divorce rates, among other factors such as female-targeted AA in schools and professions, feminism has a decidedly different demographic effect on blacks than on whites. Where whites are winnowed largely at the top and the bottom through careerism and more effective birth control, the black middle class is taking the biggest hit to its fertility. While it is true that the fertility rate of the black underclass has dropped, in relative terms (to other blacks) it has risen substantially over the past couple decades, which will not have particularly positive effects on black human capital in years to come.

The trends point to the emergence of an even greater future divide between white and black populations in the US, because while feminism is ensuring that liberal whites fail to reproduce at replacement rate, it is killing the incipient black middle class in the womb. Neither outcome will reinforce feminist ideals, but it isn’t exactly cause for celebration either, because the result will be further political and racial polarization and the trouble that comes along with it.

Eventually – and probably fairly soon – race will overshadow feminism in national politics, and all the recent talk about the supreme importance of catering to women will be forgotten, especially as the white female vote declines in importance. However, the ethnic bifurcation of the future United States will have been significantly exaggerated by feminist policies which, as it turns out, do not result in equal outcomes for different populations.

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E.J. November 28, 2012 at 10:07

Good analysis, but I don’t agree with your conclusion in that last paragraph. Black and white single women vote together, and the unmarried female demographic will continue growing.

100% of black men could take the red pill tomorrow, and black women will still be married to the U.S. government, just like most single white women. Racial politics will always be an issue, but women (collectively) will ultimately control every election. I don’t see what would make that change in the near future.

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MKP November 28, 2012 at 10:47

Interesting piece, Mr. Price (as always). One thing that caught my attention specifically:

“Eventually – and probably fairly soon – race will overshadow feminism in national politics, and all the recent talk about the supreme importance of catering to women will be forgotten, especially as the white female vote declines in importance.”

That certainly is likely to happen, and sooner than most people think. And with a decline in the importance of the white female vote will come a decline in pandering to them, giving them goodies and set-asides, and in their importance (both real and perceived).

If you’re a white man, as soon as this starts to happen, you’ll see a lot of angry white women scowling at you and saying “what are you gonna do about it??” They’re always liberal, tolerant “multiculturalists” until they see their own position being threatened – then it will be time to criticize white men for not doing enough to preserve “traditional America” and “Western Civilization.”

I tell them all the same thing: “Western Civilization was doomed the minute white Christian women started popping birth control pills throughout their teens and twenties. Go take a long, hard look in the mirror.”

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keyster November 28, 2012 at 10:51

You can see how the unintended consequences of Social Justice start to become interelated.

Black women are a prized treasure among the affirmative action conscious employers, such as governments and larger corporations. Nothing makes you appear to be more diversity sensitive than a black woman in a fairly visible position. Everyone better like and support her too, because she’s necessary. If you MUST diversify your workforce by EEOC mandate, you hire black women because they’re both black AND female. A young black female who’s also a lesbian is an AA Trifecta for the HR rep under the gun. Having a black female around the office makes everyone feel good. Black males are scary and threatening, sometimes beligerent and moody, potentially violent…(unless they’re obviously gay). Black women are sassy and cool, like Oprah.

It is the larger densely populated urban centers that are liberal (promote feminist ideals); Boston, NYC, Phila, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, etc. all in blue states that chose Obama once again. Young whites, single female whites, minorities (of which there are also young and female). The urban baby mommas keep reproducin’, while the chic/stylish Sex and the City gal on the go NEVER forgets her birth control pill – – she can’t afford her career ascendency to be interrupted, and besides, she’s got her girlish figure to worry about. Babies are a burden in a town without pity.

Even Hispanics are adopting liberal ideology:
Exit poll information suggests Hispanics voted on a number of issues beyond illegal immigration — and those issues favored Democrats. A majority of Hispanics who voted Nov. 6 favored keeping Obamacare. A majority favored higher taxes for the rich. A majority — two-thirds, in fact — said abortion should be legal.

The combined minority is the the new majority.
Take single women out and the new majority is dwarfed.
Threaten abortion rights and health care, and you lose two-thirds of the 52% minority.

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Rebel November 28, 2012 at 11:11

One thing that I find most intriguing, fascinating and interesting is the fact that men are much more concerned about fertility and children than women are.

Men, on one side always refer to the fact that the number of children is falling constantly, while women never hardly talk about it or even mention it. I guess this is yet another great divide.

Personally, I don’t understand at all why men are so concerned: it would seem to me that this is to men’s advantage, since it means less child support money being transfered from men to women.

Now, men are also much more disturbed than women by the present state of our society, shouldn’t men rather rejoice at the thought that fewer boys are going to have to live through hell?

Isn’t it better not to be born at all than to live as a slave?

Or do you think that, by magic, women will ever become normal again?

Men’s credulity, how deep does it go?

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El Bastardo November 28, 2012 at 11:13

The fact is; white women have overspent their authority, and political clout this election. It really hinges on their biased assumptions; they need certain political outcomes to maintain their pont of view. Since the government dole rests purely on their emphatic, and irrational behvior; they are all too happy to comply.

However, our country has a looming financial pall on our collective horizon; and when the initiial wave of this hurricane hits; everyone is going to want answers. The storm itself will remove all barriers to people’s view. It won’t matter that the feminist house is demolished; it will be obvious it was never in order to begin with.

Their cooked books will be forced into review; unless the politicians in charge now can figure out some way to either A: distract the American Public and keep things as they are (unlikely); or B: find a way to steer clear of taking their share of responsibility and let the microscope fall on the screaming wenches who have been riding them for decades in the first place.

Proverbial rock and a hard place; poor tax stealers.

I see the latter happening; I can only imagine that when the bloated federal spending feminists have been able to bring to the table is taken away; the political stooges in DC will be more than happy to get rid of them.

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uhuin7uo November 28, 2012 at 12:17

Feminism is a high SES ideology that wrecks about 80-95% of society. It only works for the UMC (upper-middle class) and the UC (upper class).

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TFH November 28, 2012 at 12:33

Men, on one side always refer to the fact that the number of children is falling constantly, while women never hardly talk about it or even mention it. I guess this is yet another great divide.

Those men are fools.

Since women overwhelmingly depend on entitlement programs like SS and Medicare, women would be harmed much more by a falling birth rate. Too few young people means too few tax dollars for women. Men are not harmed nearly as much.

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Beltain November 28, 2012 at 12:41

The problem is the current White Feminist recruit their numbers from the families of non-Feminist and these non-Feminist female children are their bread and butter. They actively recruit them and bring them into the fold and continue their numbers off non-feminist production just like they do financially. Why is it so many more young White women attend college than men? It is the Feminist active recruiting ground.

Eventually, the pie is going to shrink and when it does that is when the Mercenary minority voting army will divide itself when they have to compete against each other for the spoils.

Black and Hispanic men have suffered as much under Feminism as White men in per-portion to the relative wealth each group had before feminism and just as much in rights denied. The trouble is each race of men have different weights they place on these rights. At the moment the rights that are being attacked are more important to White men and the areas of wealth they are going after are almost strictly White male endeavors. Despite high unemployment and harsher drug laws that effect Black and Hispanic men more than White they still voted for Obama because to them access to (especially White) women is more important as is being able to feel they are getting over on White men.

Already what the Left wing victim coalition defines as rich has dropped from a million plus earner to a mere 250K family. It is going to start hitting home soon, I predict within three years especially once the new taxes see revenue gains in 2013 (that no where near fill the spending hole BTW) and then feel the effects of the missing investment income in 2014 ‘s tax revenue. Things will get real. Fast.

The Feminist have ridden the minority mercenaries about as far as they are going to I think.

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Tom Smith November 28, 2012 at 13:04

The real divide, which eventually will be more and more obvious over time is between the “unmarried” people and the married ones. It is this latter group that is the real building block of society. After all, there was a reason marriage was promoted for many years. It matters not black or white, but rather your article really highlights that femisim has turned women into sexual rationing machines- both in the amount of sex “allowed” as well as the number of children “allowed.”

First and foremost, marriage assured the production of children without making the blood line “dirty.” Second, it assured that women were kept to heel. Third, it assured men would be in control (i.e. keep her barefoot and pregnant, and there was no need for her to leave the house).

What has happened is that the real foundation for married life- which is one SOLID income so a woman can stay at home- has crumbled (perhaps this is too many “excess” women in the workforce). Added to this is the denigration of men’s wages because we have had to spread tons of waste due to having women in the workplace. With the acendancy of so-called women’s rights, men have lost substantial ground in income, namely they are no longer seen as economically useful, instead they are merely women’s playthings.

Mr. Price, it’s not a black-white divide. It’s a divide over the people who believe marriage is the foundation of society versus the ones who want random couplings. Which are you? I like the occasional random coupling, but at the same time, I understand why there was fault divorce- back in the day. It was to keep women in line (and fault was taken into consideration when a marriage ended). Now with no-fault divorce, it has meant more and more “freebies” for cheating women.

Since that essential truth (of keeping women in line) has been forgotten, all men have sufferred. Can you tell me when this cycle of men losing out (to the benefit of women) will end???

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Hugh G. Rection November 28, 2012 at 13:19

One thing that I find most intriguing, fascinating and interesting is the fact that men are much more concerned about fertility and children than women are.

It reduces the supply of younger, hotter, tighter women 18 years down the road. A tragedy!

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Peter November 28, 2012 at 13:50

I think you missed it on this one.

I think the reason that Blacks birthrate has dropped so much is because black men are actually smarter than white men. Smarter, in the sense that they look at the world around them and see that they will get absolutely screwed if they have a kid. A much higher percentage of white guys are indoctrinated into the BS so fully by surrounding themselves with college girls, social media, and SWPL groups that they no longer think and analyze for themselves what the world is like. They accept what everyone is telling them, and are of course duped into giving some bitch 2 kids and a cheque for the rest of his life.

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Rob Sutherland November 28, 2012 at 14:08

Men care about issues such as fertility and children and the state of society because men can see the whole picture more clearly than women. It’s all about the difference between how women and men perceive things; women see the micro and men see the macro. The way women and men view babies and children also differs. Women view babies as cuddly pets to be coddled and men see the baby as his pogeny, part of himself projected into the future. In other words, women are more in the here and now when it comes to their feelings about children and men tend to look into what the children are going to become.

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Poiuyt November 28, 2012 at 14:08

Pardon my rudeness, but please bear with me …

No stinking dirty dog of a man, a woman or any institution comprising whatever political party, race, class or creed can teach or indoctrinate a normal and therefore sovereign man, in what is right, wrong, lawfull or unlawfull … :- This is because as an adult human, he ordinarily knows the things adjudged to be of good propriety for himself already. That is, having presumably learnt them well from his own parents, his teachers and from his own formative and ongoing experiences.

The adult mans normal upbringing into sovereign individualty, his normal training and his normal socialisation, nesessarily guides him in correct behaviours, correct thinking and correct rational adjustment. A first of these things being that civility breeds civility. … But the adult man also knows without being told, that civility is characteristically mutual and not a free value to be exploited exclusively for the benefit of one side if you don’t want war.

This godawful exploitative and genderist society however does not wish an ordinary person to develop into a sovereign man, knowing for himself what is right, wrong, lawful or unlawful beforehand … Because accordingly to existing structures, a fatherless bastard growing up here under the tutelage of an amoral woman enprostituted to the state, is so much more easily used and exploited. Such a fatherless bastard is never ever, free, aware, informed or assured about anything. He merely develops in violence, criminality and abuse as a human fool and stooge, just like his ignorant mother, accustomed to violence, sexploitation and abuse, is herself used and enstooged.

Now. Does a man need to be of a particular race, class, colour or creed to implicitly know of and understand these things ?… Of course not. He merely needs to be honest with himself, to see and to wish for others around him, the same good things he sees and wishes for himself by openly telling it, like it is. Afterall its no secret to anyone here why fomenting conflict, disorder, mayhem and violence suits a certain class of demography more that it suits others and why some usefull idiots very readily supply themselves as tools in the process.

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jimbo November 28, 2012 at 15:31

@rebel.
Women will not become normal again until they are put in their place and they won’t be put into their place until their protection, the government collapses. By the same token, men won’t really become men again until the government collapses. Real men are not dominated by women, (whether your a navy seal or not) men lead women and maintain some authority over them.

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Anti Idiocy November 28, 2012 at 16:02

A very interesting, albeit eight-years-old article on this matter by Steve Sailer: http://www.isteve.com/babygap.htm. What I find fascinating is how decent a fit straight lines are to the data.

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greyghost November 28, 2012 at 16:21

One thing that needs to be at least looked at is poor black women see children as a source of income. Having kids is how they live for with out a child those women could not live up to feminism’s standard of not needing a man. They will either have to work or shack up with a man that does. Once with child they are free to behave any way they please. Middle class educated career black women are the same as white women in their lack of married fertility. Especially so if they come from the middle class. But I have never heard of a black woman other than Condoleezza Rice over 25 that didn’t have at least one child.

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MRA November 28, 2012 at 16:49

Even Hispanics are adopting liberal ideology:
Exit poll information suggests Hispanics voted on a number of issues beyond illegal immigration — and those issues favored Dbulshit emocrats. A majority of Hispanics who voted Nov. 6 favored keeping Obamacare. A majority favored higher taxes for the rich. A majority — two-thirds, in fact — said abortion should be legal.

All that is targeted at Hispanic is the same liberal agenda that they did with blacks in the 70s, I recently opened a Cosmopolitan in its Spanish version and it got a long article about the same rape culture in college you’d read in white college, the only difference is the language, they even quoted white liberal feminist, all the media that Hispanic consume is the same liberal and democrat agenda, there is not such thing a republican/conservative Hispanic channel, the two mayor Hispanic network in USA, Univision and Telemundo and democrat as fuck, the number of single moms in the Hispanic community is raising because Hispanic women are adopting the same insentive that destroyed the black family.

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Crank November 28, 2012 at 17:56

Black population as a percentage of overall US population has continued to rise despite the massive influx and fertility of hispanics, so I don’t think overall black fertility is a problem. If it has dropped, it must have dropped from excessive levels.

However, I suspect you are correct that feminist-driven policies have caused a shift from middle class black fertility to lower class black fertility. Not a good thing.

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tom47 November 28, 2012 at 17:59

Maybe a little OT but I thought you might like to know.
Rush Limbaugh today announced he will discuss “the war on men” on tomorrows show, that would be Thursday.

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LatinoinNYC November 28, 2012 at 19:01

Blah nothing to see here. First career Latina women marry late 28-30, and only decide to have one kid if they find a sucker which most do. When it comes to feminism there are not differences between career women of any race group. Latinas in my opinion are more ruthless when it comes to screw you in divorce court. A little story I used to go out with a career Latina a few years ago. I thought she wasn’t wife material due to the fact that she was a carousel rider. Of course things ended( she was 28) then she met an Italian and manipulated him into marriage one year after dating with a pregnancy. Now she has a kid but all sudden she is contacting me, and wants to get things going. Of course I turned her down since I don’t sleep with married women, but I am sure she is sleeping with someone else. This show you that if you marry even outside your race still you will get played. Western women are trash regardless of their background. The novelty of Cinderella wears off and all those TV ads of perfect family are just a myth not the real nightmare that is marriage in America.

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Justinian November 28, 2012 at 20:01

Rush Limbaugh today announced he will discuss “the war on men” on tomorrows show, that would be Thursday.

He should know.. He’s been taken to the cleaners in divorce 3x.

Didnt stop from marrying #4 who is almost 30 years younger than himself.

At least Art Bell had the good sense to leave the country to find his trophy wife.

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Anon November 28, 2012 at 20:25

“Western Civilization was doomed the minute white Christian women started popping birth control pills throughout their teens and twenties.”
@MKP (above)

I’m not sure I understand this. Are you suggesting that the “riding the carousel” behavior for a 10-15 year period before marriage is only possible because reliable birth control is under women’s direct control? (that, and abortion on demand.) And once it is available few women can resist it?

Some single women seem perfectly happy to do without birth control, and collect 2-3 children from different badboys while also collecting lifelong welfare of varying sorts. But I guess those women also are dependent on government policy.

Also related: perhaps many women would not undertake the long period of education and work that gets a career off the ground unless they knew they had a way to make themselves haaapy before the marriage payoff at the end. (For the ones who want it.)

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American November 28, 2012 at 20:26

Excellent piece whelmer, you approach topics that many don’t dare, like talking about the black matriarchal underclass. Modern feminism has not been good to the black mans family.
In the 50′s a black man could work and raise his family. Liberal policies since then have given black women a financial incentive to not have the father around, which is having disastrous effects on the black mans family.
From what i understand, some of the strongest, most intact black families are southern baptist, and now gender-feminists are going after religion.
Gender-feminism is no friend to the black man family.

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American November 28, 2012 at 20:33

But i have seen alot of young, un-educated fat white girls pushing baby strollers with little black babies in them.

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American November 28, 2012 at 20:37

Whelmer, talking and writing about the US black matriarchy is a very important topic, which may get some main stream media attention, so keep it up!! good stuf!!!

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Mark November 28, 2012 at 22:56

Tom 47: Limbaugh may be off topic but I think it’s noteworthy. Hannity has started talking about the war on men. It started with Venker’s Fox piece. Conservative outlets are in a bit of a ratings slump since the election (except for O’ Reilly). Since men form the core audience for such outlets, I think it is possible they sense new listener- and viewership potential in the MRM.

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The Contrarian Expatriate November 28, 2012 at 22:57

The virulent black feminism you speak of exists indeed. I am a black man working in a predominately white organization. There are 3 black females (two married, one divorced) in the organization who are the most undermining, condescending, and antagonizing women I have ever encountered.

Although I out rank each of these women, they seem to resent my treating them as I treat all others in the organization. That I don’t exhibit any apparent “racial solidarity” with them nor join in their cliquish ways, has earned me their ridicule and contempt.

The key fact here is that these black women have a skewed sense of power in relation to me. I could ruin their careers or file an EEO complaint if I so chose, but feminism gives them the false PERCEPTION that they hold some social capital over me, hence their ongoing antics.

This is toxic dynamic in the black middle class, and that is why our fertility is on the decline.

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walking in hell November 28, 2012 at 23:37

Outstanding analysis and writing as usual. Great job Mr. Price. Too bad your piece of shit country does not realize your writing talent. But at least we in the manosphere do!

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Opus November 29, 2012 at 04:41

A View from England

A timely article: Last friday a friend of mine was explaining how he was unwilling to have had more than one child – which is what he has – as even though his annual salary is in excess of $50k and his wife works too he could not afford to have more – so he said.

Yesterday, I was drinking with another friend. He, by contrast, has an income I guess in excess of $100K pa, but just one child and no likelihood so it seems of any more. His wife however earns almost as much as he but wants one more promotion at work (rather than a brother or sister for her son). I refrained from suggesting that she was well on her way to acquiring her feminist merit-badge, although my voiced doubts as to the wisdom of educating females to corporate drone status was lost on him – indeed that remark produced not a little aggression from him – who needs women feminists when men are more than ready to acquiesce in their own demise. (He is, as I constantly remind him, an equality theorist). Overall amongst my close friends only one has as much two children of his own; some, including myself, none. We are all white middle-class, but reproducing at well below the rate to keep up the population and seemingly not seeing what the consequences will be; that is to say at this rate, near-extinction within a few generations.

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keyster November 29, 2012 at 08:41

Rush mentioned yesterday that the only way for Republicans to win back the vote from single women, is to get single men to marry them. He’s certianly no Red Piller, but he gets close sometimes and he HATES the “Feminazis” and “nags” at NOW.

Now that the shock of losing the last election is wearing off, conservatives are starting to think more rationally. They’re starting to understand that the Young, the Hispanics and the Blacks are all composed of the one largest and fastest growing demographic within – Single Women. And they’ve learned the hard way that despite all the proclamations that women are not “single-issue voters” – that indeed they absolutely are. They might not vote for a woman, but they’ll vote for a charismatic, charming man than promises them free stuff.

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keyster November 29, 2012 at 08:50

We are all white middle-class, but reproducing at well below the rate to keep up the population and seemingly not seeing what the consequences will be; that is to say at this rate, near-extinction within a few generations.

Each couple needs to reproduce 2 children, (one to replace each parent) just to stay even. My neighborhood is at the most 10% hispanic. I drove by the school bus stop the other day and there were about 20 “brown” children and only 2 “white” children. But fear not, feminism will infuse itself in the conscience of the hispanic female soon enough – thru our schools and culture. She’s about a generation behind.

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MKP November 29, 2012 at 11:15

“Rush mentioned yesterday that the only way for Republicans to win back the vote from single women, is to get single men to marry them.”

Yep, Rush has said that before. His attitude and approach are different than (eg) Bill Bennett, but the message is the same.

Bill Bennett is the bad cop: “You lazy slackers better MAN UP and get married and start supporting a family! I don’t want to hear your complaints about abusive family courts and worthless, trashy women. Man up! DO IT!”

Rush (and others like him – often “conservative women”) are the good cop: “We understand your concerns. You’re right, American society has become very unfair to honest young men. Your fears about the crooked justice system are valid. We sympathize. But … we’re still going to have to ask you to please man up and get married and start supporting a family. Please. Do it.”

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Rmaxd November 29, 2012 at 11:48

I really wish price would address race as a issue a bit more, its an undiscussed issue, as the manosphere doesnt like to discuss race, albeit from a political point of view

Anyway, So wheres the good Tradition hispanic families fighting feminism & fighting to prevent their daughters from becoming unwed women & welfare slaves?

Wheres the good Traditional black families fighting for their daughters futures? There arent any …

Traditional black families & black activists too busy ensuring their black communities roll in welfare money … & feeding them swagger & rap music to paper over the cracks of their welfare infested communities …

Wheres the good Traditional Christian families fighting for their communities … too busy ensuring their black communities & unwed women roll in welfare money …

Vive la Great Experiment …

Heres the kicker …

Its all deliberate … I personally cant wait to see what they throw at men next …

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Pops November 29, 2012 at 13:17

Where the relatively conservative white middle class remains the most fertile white demographic, the black middle class has seen its fertility all but wiped out, even as more blacks than ever have joined its ranks.

Yep. Married blacks (which are comprised mostly of middle class and above) have the lowest birth rate of any other group of married people and the black populace has the highest percentage of single, childless adults (also a group predominantly in the middle class).

So all that is left are single mothers, many of whom are lower class. They are the ones reproducing and we are seeing the results. I appears that black women have a strong propensity to have children for the purpose of holding on to a man and when they do have a comitted man, have little incentive to have children.

Also, an interesting article below:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nicolas-sarkozy/9711607/Carla-Bruni-Sarkozy-apologises-for-clumsy-feminism-remarks.html

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Anonnymous November 29, 2012 at 22:00

On this article Welmer sure was not drinking coolaid you know.

Its actually confirmed: here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20550661
“”US birth rate falls to record low
The US birth rate hit a record low last year, led by the decline in child-bearing among foreign-born women, according to a Pew study.

The overall US birth rate decreased by 8% between 2007-10, and by 6% among US-born women, found the data.

The rate fell sharpest for those hardest hit by the recession: 14% among foreign-born women and 23% among Mexican immigrant women in particular.

The 2011 rate was the lowest since 1920, when such records began.””

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Alex November 30, 2012 at 09:23

Good piece of writing. You may be interested in this book on declining white Western fertility, ‘Death of the West’.

http://www.amazon.com/Death-West-Populations-Immigrant-Civilization/dp/0312302592

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Ode November 30, 2012 at 14:33

TFH

Since women overwhelmingly depend on entitlement programs like SS and Medicare, women would be harmed much more by a falling birth rate. Too few young people means too few tax dollars for women. Men are not harmed nearly as much.

This requires long term planning and being able to see 20 years down the road. Most women are too impulsive minded to understand this. They are too busy living the “sex and the city lifestyle” of shopping and eating out right NOW.

Sorry ladies you’ll have to spend the last 20 years of your life working at some crappy job like Walmart. There isn’t going to be SS, Medicare, section 8, or Obama-care whatever.

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Casu Marzu February 15, 2013 at 19:59

My own observations and every statistic I’ve seen on the issue show a few facts:

1. White women prefer marrying black men and Hispanic men over Asian men by a wide margin. By “Asian,” I mean men with origins in China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc.

2. There very little female hypergamy in black man/white woman or Hispanic man/white woman marriages (and I’m talking about MARRIAGE, not sexual flings.) The image of millionaire black celebrities with blonde trophy wives is not typical for mainstream society.

3. Asian men on whole have markedly higher incomes than black or Hispanic men, yet W/F are generally uninterested in them.

4. There’s an argument that B and H men are taking the fat/ugly W/F that upper class white men don’t want, because that’s what poor men do. I don’t buy it because first, there are plenty of fat/ugly B and H women. Secondly, these are many women’s preferences, quite apart from what they think they have to settle for.

5. Asian women, on the other hand, often have a preference for W/M, and the reverse is true.

How does this all work?

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