Petraeus Homewrecker, Career-Killer Strong, Independent Woman

by W.F. Price on November 10, 2012

Paula Broadwell, the married mother of two linked to Gen. Petraeus’ downfall is, according to the NY Times, a “high achiever.” She holds a degree from West Point, a graduate degree from Harvard, has served as a concertmistress, is a triathlete, runs six minute miles, etc., etc. ad nauseum.

She is such a high achiever, in fact, that she was not satisfied with her handsome radiologist husband and two children, and had to bang the biggest alpha in her world: General Petraeus. Could there be any higher achievement than that conquest?

In the old days, it was widely acknowledged that girls went to college to find better husbands than would be available at the local diner. They’d sit in on classes about Renaissance art and French philosophy for a few years, write some papers, study a bit, and find the future father of their children. Today, however, it would be a terrible insult to suggest such a thing. Why, what does a man have to do with it? Women don’t chase credentials and status to snag a higher status man, you misogynist!

But they do, because it’s natural. And this is why inflating the status of young women while depressing the status of their male counterparts is turning out to be a social disaster. Few fertile women want to settle for their equal or inferior when they have access to higher status men. In such an environment, extramarital affairs are all but guaranteed.

If society were capable of being honest with itself about these sorts of things, we’d have to admit that it would have been better for everyone if, instead of racking up degrees and awards, Paula Broadwell had stuck to sewing doilies and baking cookies. That way, at least her contributions could have had a net positive effect. As it is, she did achieve something quite spectacular, but nothing to be proud of as it turns out.

PS If anyone has to ask why extramarital affairs are a bad idea for the director of the CIA they aren’t thinking very hard.

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Zorro November 10, 2012 at 13:16

Female hypergamy is a scientific fact. Fact. Fact.

And yet whenever a married man has an affair with another woman, especially a married woman, it’s somehow his fault. It’s always his fault!

Schwarzzenegger.
Clinton.
Petraeus.
Kennedy.
ad infinitum…

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Anon November 10, 2012 at 13:25

True Welmer …

But what was Petraeus, a handsome man in his own right, doing with THAT caliber of mistress ?

Not unlike ex IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Khan, Petraeus, is shooting far too low.

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Uncle Elmer November 10, 2012 at 13:28

We got fudge packers getting married at the base chapel and being declared “heroes” for it and Patraeus is getting shit-canned for roguring a star fucker?

In a sane society the man who has proved himself worthy of running the intelligence agency would be provided with a concubine and an executive apartment so he concentrate on doing his job.

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Uncle Elmer November 10, 2012 at 13:56

Notice the similarity with Lara Logan in her posing with military men in combat zones. Globe-trotting married career women seeking out high-status males and leaving a trail of wreckage in their wake.

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Uncle Elmer November 10, 2012 at 14:03

“Ms. Broadwell said in an interview in February that Mr. Petraeus was enjoying his new civilian life at the C.I.A., where he became director in September 2011. “It was a huge growth period for him, because he realized he didn’t have to hide behind the shield of all those medals and stripes on his arm,” she said. Ms. Broadwell was 39 at the time…..”

Well, the sound bite I heard off CNN (my wife watches it ok?) was that Patreaus was having trouble adjusting to post-military life because he was no longer wearing a chest full of medals and its concomitant organizational respect and prestige. One expects him to appear on Oprah next. Either narrative has him cowering behind his awards, and now he’s groveling out an apology. Pathetic.

We need a hero to step forward and say “yeah, I fucked her, so what?”, sorta like that Larry guy from Oracle DB.

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Uncle Elmer November 10, 2012 at 14:09

If no one has called it yet, let it be known that Elmer predicts that a lesbian will be appointed Head of the CIA.

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keyster November 10, 2012 at 14:15

Petraeus was said to be very close to several globe-trotting female journalists. He could have had an affair with Martha Raddatz or Candy Crowley too, but gravitated towards one that was at least fuckable – unlike his own wife.

Inside the CIA Petraeus was in way over his head and completely out of his element. Big difference between intelligence and the military. Those in the agency didn’t think very highly of his abilities, and are breathing a sigh of relief he’s gone. Obviously having an affair risked national security as well. The FBI was investigating blackmail but claimed it wasn’t due to the affair, so if not, what else was he up to?

The legacy of what was a great career now RUINED for a little side action. What an idiot! What a lack of self control. It’s just dime a dozen pussy and he threw it all away and will live out his life in shame and disgrace. All that power and adulation got his dick hard and he couldn’t resist temptation. Weak man!

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TFH November 10, 2012 at 14:35

But what was Petraeus, a handsome man in his own right, doing with THAT caliber of mistress ?

Well…. she is 20 years younger, and considering that this is the first time he has had a woman (barely) under 40, it may have been tempting.

But she certainly did over 90% of the pursuing. I mean, if she was spending time writing a book about him, that means she deeply admired him.

Also, she is married too, with two children.

Yet the blame will only go onto Petreaus.
..and the costs will only be borne by the two men (the other being her husband who is actually the victim).

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Joeb November 10, 2012 at 14:41

He did what anybody with honor would do .
On the other hand doesn’t this call to forefront the clerics of civil religion that live under the mainstream government .
Just like the muslim world .

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TFH November 10, 2012 at 14:46

Keyster,

I think you are too hard on him…

She clearly pursued him (as is always the case in affairs of high-status men with lower-status women). He hadn’t had a woman under 40 in over 20 years.

He broke.

But as Elmer said, he should just say ‘Yeah, I had an affair. That is between me and my wife. So what?’.

I also question why this is always ‘career destroying’ in America. It should not be.

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TFH November 10, 2012 at 14:47

In a sane society the man who has proved himself worthy of running the intelligence agency would be provided with a concubine and an executive apartment so he concentrate on doing his job.

Yep. Russia and China surely have that.

The thing is, that concubine will actually have high status with her girlfriends….

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TFH November 10, 2012 at 14:53

Not one mention in that NYT article about her husband, as the injured party.

It is actually glorifying her.

As they say, in terms of basic morality :

Men > Children > Animals > Women.

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William Lewis Carroll November 10, 2012 at 15:23

He destroyed his whole career over this woman who I wouldn’t rate at over a four on a scale of one to ten. If you are going to risk your career by having an affair with a woman, risk it someone who looks like Robin Meade instead of Lily Tomlin!

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Josh November 10, 2012 at 15:28

A lot of men, even some notable writers in the manosphere, will never be able to acknowledge the fact their girlfriends/wives would do the same thing if they were in Broadwell’s shoes. These men, some of whom have extensive red pill knowledge, come across as very naive when they try and convince everyone else their girlfriends/wives are different from all the other women. Every man needs to understand there will always be a higher status man than himself whom his girlfriend/wife secretly wants to fuck. Hypergamy knows nothing about right and wrong; it is amoral. Flooding traditional male spaces with women, and doing away with shaming associated with female sexuality, is a right-cross and an upper-cut to any man who wants to engage in a meaningful and long-lasting relationship with a woman in our current society.

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dragnet November 10, 2012 at 15:39

All it takes is one look at his wife and you’ll everything you need to know about why he did it.

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Anonymous Reader November 10, 2012 at 15:40

All this is valid, but look at the larger picture.

* The FBI just happened to somehow discover this affair
* Petreaus was due to testify to the House committee on the Benghazi
disaster
* Now Petreaus won’t be testifying.
* Holder is resigning along with Hillary Clinton.

Petreaus’s days in government were numbered as soon as he succumbed to boffing a woman not his wife. The facts were surely kept on ice by Eric Holder’s FBI until needed.

Too bad Nixon is dead. He was a chump when it came to coverups.
This coverup will work. Of course, as with the Clinton coverups in the 1990′s – excluding the least of his crimes, Monica – the press has to facilitate by simply not asking any questions, and when needed looking the other way.

The ugliest scenario I can come up with for the Benghazi disaster is this: the US gov. was running light arms (AK’s, light machineguns, RPG’s, old man portable SAM’s) from Ghadafffi’s armories to Syria via Turkey. The “consulate” in Benghazi was just an office in front of the warehouses where weaponry was stored. The local branch of al Quaida (the part not “on the run”) decided to jack up the warehouse and also kidnap any of the Americans they could get their hands on . Thus if any aid was sent to either the “consulate” (warehouse) or the CIA safe house, the truth of yet another gun-running operation would have come out, in September of an election year. So no aid could be sent, everyone there had to die, and Obama’s re-=election campaign would roll on.

Mission Accomplished!

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Uncle Elmer November 10, 2012 at 16:06

Josh, I think most men fully understand their wives would do the same as Mrs.Shagwell and therefor would resist them departing for an extended career opportunity amongst a bunch of horny men.

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Dystopia Max November 10, 2012 at 16:36

Lawdy. When I first heard on the radio that he was resigning, I was thinking: “Finally, someone involved in the Benghazi cover-up actually doing the right thing in protest!”

…and then I heard ‘over an affair’ and just had to rage.

It of course has nothing to do with his or his wife’s continuing government employment in Obama’s Washington or the Benghazi testimony next week.

But seriously, you get out of the one of the most difficult Army executive jobs and you have to immediately go head up another one? Newt Gingrich spent his time out of the House acquiring hotter women, visiting zoos, and writing Amazon book reviews of historical novels. Now THAT man knows how to decompress properly.

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Mark Plus November 10, 2012 at 16:46

I guess we can scratch off Petraeus as a candidate for the guy who could “god Pinochet” for us and send the patriarch-hating progressives and feminists to the soccer stadium.

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shiva1008 November 10, 2012 at 17:22

“In a sane society the man who has proved himself worthy of running the intelligence agency would be provided with a concubine and an executive apartment so he concentrate on doing his job.”

In India the kings were allowed to have multiple wives because it’s a high stress job, and they need someone to take the stress off. It’s also one of the perks of the job. Otherwise no one would want to do it.

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Andie November 10, 2012 at 17:28

@Josh

Every man needs to understand there will always be a higher status man than himself whom his girlfriend/wife secretly wants to fuck. Hypergamy knows nothing about right and wrong; it is amoral.

I think you’re leaving out the fact that hypergamy can work in a man’s favor. I married a man who is very high status and very good-looking to boot. I also grew up in a divorced family (my mother could be the poster child for frivolous divorce).

The odds that I will ever put our children through the hell of divorce are about the same as the odds that I would watch them burn to death in house fire: ZERO. Not approaching zero. Not almost zero. ZERO.

I choose my husband partly because of his status and mostly because I love him to pieces. I would NOT have married a mime in the park no matter how much I loved him, because I knew I wanted to be a stay at home mother and wife and would need a husband who had the same values.

My instinct to choose the highest status male COMBINED with my absolute refusal to put our children through a divorce means that I quite literally DO NOT find other men attractive. Fucking around on my husband is unthinkable because it’s our kids who would pay the price. I have never, ever met a man who sparked my interest in the least. Every other man pales in comparison to my husband, because I chose a HIGH STATUS husband to begin with ( and had the qualities to encourage him choose me).

The chick banging Petraeus is many things, but first and foremost, to my mind, she is a mother who doesn’t give a damn about her children’s happiness. That has nothing to do with hypergamy and everything to do with just being a crap mother.

Seeking my husband, based on hypergamy, is a type of insurance policy that immunizes our whole relationship against “trading up”. I’m as up as up can be, and our children are the cement that seals the bond.

I would never hurt them. I couldn’t. That alone eliminates the possibility of any General seeming like a better choice.

Married 12 years, together for 14. Never met any man I loved or wanted more than my husband.

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TFH November 10, 2012 at 17:40

shiva,

In India the kings were allowed to have multiple wives because it’s a high stress job, and they need someone to take the stress off.

er…. no.

Polygamy (resulting from female hypergamy) is the natural state of human society, except when an institution like monogamous marriage is carefully created and enforced diligently (i.e. it cannot become too bad of a deal for men, or a portion of them will stop participating).

Your belief that ancient India was ‘created’ this way is wrong. All societies of the time (Charlemagne’s Europe, the Middle East) had polygamy or at least concubines, as was the natural order.

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TFH November 10, 2012 at 17:43

Andie,

The odds that I will ever put our children through the hell of divorce are about the same as the odds that I would watch them burn to death in house fire: ZERO.

Good!

Unfortunately, you represent a small percentage of women. About 80% would do what Paula Broadwell did. Hence, more and more people will paint all women that way. You will need to work hard to build awareness about misandry to avoid the stigma that is befalling all modern women.

but first and foremost, to my mind, she is a mother who doesn’t give a damn about her children’s happiness.

In other words, a feminist.

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W.F. Price November 10, 2012 at 17:44

Josh, I think most men fully understand their wives would do the same as Mrs.Shagwell and therefor would resist them departing for an extended career opportunity amongst a bunch of horny men.

-Uncle Elmer

Most mature men (i.e. over 35 or so) would understand, but unfortunately a lot of young husbands would not. Young men are probably the most cuckolded male demographic of all, despite their sexual potency and willingness. Really gives the lie to the women’s “I’m not sexually satisfied” bullshit.

I view it as one of my jobs to teach young men this wisdom that is so assiduously hidden from them by those who are simply trying to take advantage of them.

TFH November 10, 2012 at 17:46

The other message that young men should learn from this incident is :

1) Don’t marry. It is not hard to get women 20 years younger than you even when you are 60, as long as you have high status and look good. Why give up all that fun in the second half of your life, by getting legally tied to a woman the same age as you when you are young?

2) Don’t marry. If she cheats, you will be financially ruined, have your children taken from you, and society will still see you as flawed.

Talk about all the reasons not to marry being advertised in just this one incident.

The more successful and good looking a young man expects himself to be later in life, the better his reasons not to marry (and the more he stands to lose, both in real costs and opportunity costs, by marrying).

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Uncle Elmer November 10, 2012 at 17:55

Mobsters have concubines, and what better model than the old Fu Manchu crime boss in Fists of Fury, who always had a cohort of young women massaging his shoulders and attending his needs while his incompetent son bungled simple assignments? Dude could kick some ass and even gave Bruce Lee a bit of a thrashing.

The pros know how it works.

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Uncle Elmer November 10, 2012 at 18:17

“Most mature men (i.e. over 35 or so) would understand, but unfortunately a lot of young husbands would not.”

Ain’t that the truth. I’m model quality handsome (many have compared me to “Pierce Brosnan” or a young “Kris Kristofferson”), and I have had countless married or otherwise spoken-for women come at me. At every division of Encorpera I worked at I was constantly rebuffing the advances of some married co-worker (read : crazed bovine). My irreverent, cocky, funny attitude only exacerbated the situation. The numbers of unattached women who did this pale in comparison, even as I was out cutting the rug with dozens of hotties weekly.

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john thames November 10, 2012 at 18:36

Men should have all the jobs to equalize all the babies for women. And that is the fallacy of feminism.

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Elaine November 10, 2012 at 19:10

On the face of it, it does seem excessive to expect Petraeus to resign for what appears to be a relatively “minor” transgression such as infidelity. Particularly as it appears he has not compromised national security in the conduct of this affair. However, my understanding is that institutions such as the military and associated agencies to do with intelligence and security issues do not function like other normal institutions. There must be 100% marital fidelity and trust between officers and their spouses due to the very sensitive nature of their jobs. Officers suspicious of their wives are likely to use their high security clearance for unauthorised checks on their wives or her purported lover. Wives suspicious of their husbands are likely to spy on their husbands or rifle through his things (which may include sensitive classified information he brings home). Suspicious wives may also hold onto sensitive material should she come across them, to use as leverage to extract “confessions” from husbands. Given the nature of their jobs, officers may need to disappear suddenly without notice, for days on end, and not be able to tell their wives what they are up to. If this is not going to fuel suspicious where they already exist, I don’t know what will. Suspicious wives have been known to turn up at headquarters crying and sobbing in their husband’s bosses office demanding to know if their husbands are really on top secret missions rather than off galivanting with their mistresses using their jobs as cover. Sorry, but Petraeus should really have known better. I’m not surprised in the least that Obama accepted his resignation.

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Charles Martel November 10, 2012 at 20:07

dragnet
All it takes is one look at his wife and you’ll know everything you need to know about why he did it.

Here she is.

Petraeus has always struck me as the worst kind of ass-kissing career soldier, always looking for a way to please his political masters.

Having said that, he’s the victim here. The poor sap has probably not had sex with his wife in twenty years. Could there be a better example of how women explode against the wall while successful men who stay in shape retain their attractiveness?

Paula Broadwell is an over-aggressive hypergamous high-T cock monster. I feel sorry for her husband. He should DNA test his kids asap.

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Avenger November 10, 2012 at 20:39

But what was Petraeus, a handsome man in his own right, doing with THAT caliber of mistress ?

Actually she’s not bad looking. Have you seen Petraeus’wife?

But why are we even concerned about such petty personal crap? He’s been married for 37 years and is certainly bored and needs some fresh pussy. The same with the female.Perhaps we should just ignore this stuff and stop pretending that people are monogamous.The only men who are monogamous are those who can’t get anything else;have no sex drive; are too old;or who are pussy whipped omegas that are afraid of the wife.

The wife:
http://www.examiner.com/article/holly-petraeus-betrayed-wife-of-gen-petraeus-faces-public-humiliation

The GF:
http://www.examiner.com/article/email-threats-traced-to-paula-broadwell-led-fbi-to-evidence-of-petraeus-affair

What’s the point of even being a General, or President, if you can’t shag younger females? :)

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The Geezer November 10, 2012 at 22:02

Ms. Broadwell is in the military reserve.

Part of the military code is sanctions for effin’ around.

The General got his comeuppance, now lets see if the skank gets sanctioned by the military

(crickets)

The Geezer

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Lyn87 November 10, 2012 at 22:09

Elaine,

I think you’ve been reading too many Cold War spy novels. As a guy who has had a TS security clearance for most of my adult life, I can assure you that I have NEVER taken classified material home. Nor does such a clearance give access to the kinds of personnel records you’re talking about.

Furthermore, the idea that guys have to disappear with no notice at all is completely at odds with my experience. I’m not saying it never happens, and I’m sure there are some guys who have to drop everything and leave on short notice occasionally, but the average person with a security clearance sits at a desk and goes home at 1630 Monday through Friday.

(You might be surprised at how utterly dull most classified information really is. I’m sure there are plenty of guys on this site who can confirm that. If a guy is bragging about all the cool classified stuff he does he’s probably full of crap and just trying to get into somebody’s pants: most of it is either highly technical, as dull as dishwater, or both.)

Interestingly, GEN Patraeus lived about a block from me when we were both still in uniform (he hadn’t put on his fourth star at the time). He received briefings on my work by officers higher up the food chain than I was, but I never met him personally although I know a several people who know him well. During that time I never heard anyone speak ill of him – but that was before he was outed as a philanderer. And his wife Holly? By all accounts she is a marvelous woman. Everyone I ever encountered who knew her personally – and I mean EVERYONE – thought the world of her. Sure, she’s lost her youth, but that doesn’t mean she deserved this.

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Elaine November 10, 2012 at 22:14

Another day, another scalp – Christopher Kubasik. President of Lockheed Martin forced out due to close personal intimate relationship with a less senior staff member (against company regulations). No one is saying men shouldn’t have their jollies (nor women either) but please for goodness sake know the implications for the job, the company, the institution, and the country you represent. Not to mention the family you purport to love. Nations can, and have been brought down by men unable to control themselves or exercise judgement.

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Attila November 10, 2012 at 22:15

Glad I’m not a high-status male (by mainstream standards).

Dumb guys who think their societal status will protect them from a fall — I wonder how many guys he stepped on/over! – We get what we deserve.

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Charles Martel November 10, 2012 at 22:29

Interestingly, GEN Patraeus lived about a block from me when we were both still in uniform (he hadn’t put on his fourth star at the time). He received briefings on my work by officers higher up the food chain than I was, but I never met him personally…..

I’m sure he enjoyed your work as reported by your superiors. Who could probably spell his name correctly.

– but that was before he was outed as a philanderer.

Philanderer? After 40 years of marriage Petraeus was undoubtedly on the once-a-year schedule for sex. Maybe twice in a good year. The man would have to be made of stone to say no to a decent looking woman twenty years his junior who wanted to jump his bones.

If anything this smells like a honey trap to me. What I want to know is why the (rumored to be gay) President Obama sent the (rumored to be gay) Christopher Stevens to his death in Benghazi? And what did Petraeus know about that?

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Lyn87 November 10, 2012 at 22:55

You got me, Charles – I hit the “a” key instead of the “e” key – clearly everything I wrote is wrong. /sarc. It’s not like I ever met the guy – I know people who know him and his wife – end of story.

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Anon November 11, 2012 at 00:22

I suppose Charles Martel and Avenger are correct here.

“Humpty-Mrs. Petraeus-Dumpty” is indeed an eyesore compared to passable groupie Broadwell.

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Avenger November 11, 2012 at 01:27

As a guy who has had a TS security clearance for most of my adult life, I can assure you that I have NEVER taken classified material home

The higher ranking spooks do. And the really important stuff above top secret are only known to a small group of people. Senators can see some of it but they cannot divulge any of it or they’ll be prosecuted.Dr Rand Paul did see these CIA files but he could not speak of it and even the word he used about how much rotten stuff he saw was fictitious- “gazillions”

“but the average person with a security clearance sits at a desk and goes home at 1630 Monday through Friday.”

Those are just the clerks and office workers at the CIA who need clearance just to work there even though nothing they do has anything to do with any sort of secret or important info although they are not supposed to even mention that they work or have worked there. The sort of clearance you’re talking about is like when they vet someone for a job at the FBI, it’s nothing because 99% of the workers never get anywhere near anything important.

“Sure, she’s lost her youth, but that doesn’t mean she deserved this.”

From the looks of her I’d say they he didn’t deserve it :) Let’s face it, men don’t “fall in love” with 60 yo females. They have this delusion with young nubile females in order to mate and reproduce and that’s about the extent of what men and females have in common and what you call “love”. A female past a certain age is like having your old annoying mother living with you who have to take care of. :) If men weren’t programmed for sex (reproduction) by Nature, they wouldn’t even bother with the female.

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greyghost November 11, 2012 at 01:49

i bet he was hitting that ass for years. They were both good at hiding things but the bitch sending e-mails to some woman that made her call the FBI was stupid. What the hell was she doing messing with some other woman any way,she was screwing the director of the CIA. You would think that was high enough status. besides that she even owned a slave baby sitter to watch the kids while she was out fucking. His wife knew she wasn’t handling her business. The only real hard core victim here is the woman’s husband he has to just take it.
I haven’t sat down and read all of the stories but from the photos this woman seems to being treated like a celebrity for screwing around on her husband with a married man.

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Avenger November 11, 2012 at 02:03

“President of Lockheed Martin forced out due to close personal intimate relationship with a less senior staff member”

Acturally, the Chairman and CEO, just resigned. He didn’t violate any laws and it’s really just a public relations thing. The only people who can vote him out are the shareholders.

“but please for goodness sake know the implications for the job, the company, the institution, and the country you represent……”

That’s all bullshit.The head of theCIA or the former KGB don’t have their jobs because they are the most moral or live like saints. They’re usually the most unscrupulous bastards who don’t give a damn about the law or what’s morally right or wrong and aren’t above murder, torture or trading drugs for arms etc. if they can get away with it. People resign because it becomes known to the overt world and doesn’t look good to the naive proles, not out of any sense of morality. Screwing some female is like so trivial that it means nothing to them.Most of these guys are like cowboys and just like the excitement of the job not because they are some big patriot. No different than young guys who want to join the military or cops.

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Troll King November 11, 2012 at 02:03

Well, women are already losing by gaining…at least in Brazil.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/12/07/world/brazil-women-find-fertility-may-cost-jobs.html

I remember reading an article awhile back talking about the massive sterilization in Brazil by women. Some huge number of women pre-emptively decided to have their tubes tied after their first child which is messing up their demographics and I would imagine making it difficult for men not interested in single mothers to find a fertile young woman.

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Pirran November 11, 2012 at 06:34

@Elaine
“Sorry, but Petraeus should really have known better. I’m not surprised in the least that Obama accepted his resignation.”

Agreed, but do you really think the CIA, The FBI and Potus didn’t really know? You don’t find the timing, shall we say, somewhat suspect?

On an unrelated note, how beta is this? Granted he was a loon for believing the stuff in the first place but the theoretical supreme Alpha has grovelled before the ultimate sh*t test. Just goes to show that your status in always on loan in the eyes of most women.

http://www.examiner.com/article/tom-cruise-gives-up-25-year-devotion-to-scientology-to-win-back-katie-s-love?CID=obnetwork

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migu November 11, 2012 at 06:37

Yeah his career is done. Hahaha. That’s a good one.

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Pirran November 11, 2012 at 06:38

Oops, no. Apparently it was all a horrible mistake. Tommy’s back to being a loon, manhood (??) restored. No more secrets to come out there then, I’m sure…..

http://www.examiner.com/article/tom-cruise-maintains-faith-scientology

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Pirran November 11, 2012 at 07:05

@greyghost
“What the hell was she doing messing with some other woman any way,she was screwing the director of the CIA.”

Apparently she thought the OTHER woman was having an affair with HER MAN (Petraeus, obviously). Hence the reason for the (allegedly) threatening emails warning her rival off.

Now this is evolving from tragedy to farce. Not at all entitled, yougogrrl power woman Paula Broadwell brought down her own supreme Alpha by using his computer to (allegedly) send the emails because she wanted to be the ONLY Groupie. Hysterical.

(Husband?….Kids?…..I have kids?…….er, yeah….somewhere….I’m livvin’ the dream…..I’m having it all…..I’m strong’nempowered…..)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-probe-of-petraeus-triggered-by-e-mail-threats-from-biographer-officials-say/2012/11/10/d2fc52de-2b68-11e2-bab2-eda299503684_story_1.html

http://www.examiner.com/article/email-threats-traced-to-paula-broadwell-led-fbi-to-evidence-of-petraeus-affair?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next

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Charles Martel November 11, 2012 at 07:07

Roissy-Heartiste hasn’t written anything on this topic yet. Maybe he will. Archetypal striving upper beta marries archetypal hypergamous professional feminist woman and gets his beating heart torn from his chest. Then roasted in the blazing fire of global public humiliation.

Look at this amazing display of public beta supplication. Dad Love’s Mom, complete with errant apostophe, pressure-washed in the loving couple’s driveway. No doubt greeting Paula Broadwell as she returned from another international jaunt away from her children while riding Petraeus’ dick.

Then there’s this picture. Look at the hard, vacant edge in Broadwell’s eyes and expression that says I’m better than this guy, he’s just the chump who pays my bills while I’m out doing important stuff.

And then this. Look at her eyes. The soft, vulnerable look of love. Or at least of admiration. Reminds me of Monica Lewinski with Bill Clinton.

The difference being that Broadwell was smart enough to pump out her two annuities with her clueless beta provider before chasing alpha dick.

And I guess I should say that Petraeus is really not all that alpha. Alpha in status but not so much with women. Petraeus’ expression in this picture says “wow, I got lucky!”

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john thames November 11, 2012 at 07:30

I am always amused by types who quote military regulations on sexual morality. Who do they think they are kidding? Douglas MacArthur had his Filippino mistress while governing the islands, Dwight Eisenhower had his affair with British intelligence agent Kate Summersby, Napoleon Bonaparte had more wives and mistresses than anyone could count while leading the goose stepping French legions to victory after victory and Adolf Hitler ws screwing Eva Braun while almost polishing off the Soviet Union. Did anyone, then or now, dare suggest that military leadership should be confused with bedroom boffing?

As for genuine national security concerns JFK, the 60′s idol of the present day harassment hysterics, was telling Marilyn Monroe all kinds of high level details as the Cuban missle crisis approached. Miss Monroe had been maried to one Jewish Communist, the New York playwright Arthur Miller. While doing Kennedy, she was getting psychotherapy from her Jewish Communist shrink, Ralp Greenson, an actual Party member and treatment from Party member Dr. Hyman Engelbert. Both these men could relay her tales to American Communist Party leaders and from them back to Moscow. Was it J. Edgar who ordered the assassination of Mis Monroe? And as for making it with subordinates – did not Hoover have a long time sexual affair with his male assistant director?

This is all nonsense, of course.Anyone with the slightest perspective knows that sexual dalliances of those in power are par for the course. Remember George C. Scott and Tracy Reed in “Dr. Strangelove”?

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Uncle Elmer November 11, 2012 at 08:03

The Japanese know how it works. They have long had a tradition of talented geishas to provide conversation and physical comforts to hard working sararymen, who in turn honored their marital front as part of a cohesive societal structure.

And did not Dwight Eisenhauer dog Kate Somersby in his private cottage for the duration? Nobody cared, probably because at the time everyone else was roguring their co-workers during war’s mad upheaval. They just didn’t blab about it to the entire planet as they had no “internet”.

Only in this topsy-turvy age do we have a groundswell of advocacy from all media channels for homosexual marriage and a haughty demand that important men strictly adhere to traditional marriage under pain of public flogging, humiliating apologies, and stark removal.

Meanwhile, the empowered temptress follows a completely different trajectory through the constellations of femedia weep-cheering. Well, it makes sense : she through her feminine wiles has achieved what no legions of enemy snipers could pull off. Our enemies can send a single twat at our top dogs and take them out, hell even have the poor bastard foot the bill complete with a trail of beta-comic romantic befuddlings, while we have no such luxury as their cultures don’t give a rat’s ass about such trivialities.

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Anonymous age 70 November 11, 2012 at 08:49

A late acquaintance I haven’t seen since 1975 in that time period worked a couple years for the CIA, with a top secret clearance. His job was translating and filing newspapers from China.

He said those newspapers had nothing special in them. The reason to keep them secret was the knowledge that we had them would lead to the death of the persons shipping them out of China.

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Huck Finn November 11, 2012 at 08:57

MSNBC featured Petraeus affair for a minimum of 48 friggin hours on their website as a major story. Then featured now is a BBC executive also involved in some sex scandal. Based on the voting of women in the recent election few can see the big picture of actions and consequences.

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Anonymous November 11, 2012 at 09:00

Fox news announced the CIA had said to stand down in Benghazi. The CIA announced that no one at the CIA has said to stand down – the order then defaulting to the white house. Petraeus was called to testify about Benghazi. Hey presto! That affair from the past is suddenly a great big deal exactly right now.

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Mickey T November 11, 2012 at 10:43

Why didn’t he just have his wife help him with his book?

He knows damn well when people (men) reach the levels he has reached they are a constant target for scandal. He also knows, as a man, he will be held to the highest standards, and he cannot, for example, take care of matters Hillary Clinton style. Remember Vince Foster in the park.

As for the women, she is behaving like a typical women and in today’s culture, her behavior is accepted and perhaps expected. If we were held to the same standards as women, that would make us no better than them. She is irrelevant.

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Mickey T November 11, 2012 at 11:06

I don’t like to stretch the point, but when a husband finds his wife in bed with a friend, who does the husband usually shoot? Any fool knows the answer to that, so the general who the country entrust to defend certainly must. Under the best and fairest of human conditions, women will never be held to the same standards as men.

I hold him to the same standards I would hold any man. He should leave the job in disgrace.

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Rebel November 11, 2012 at 11:24

To me, this looks like a settlement of accounts. Petraeus must have stood on someone else toes and was a danger to someone’s career.

Attacking from that angle always gives good results. I think much the same about DSK’s case. No counter attack is possible against such tactics.

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gilgamesh November 11, 2012 at 11:41

I bet this affair’s going to end worse for her husband than for Petraeus, who will use all his clout to make sure that radiologist loses his kids and has to pay 110% of his income in child support, while Petraeus lives comfortably on his military pension (half of what he made as a general, adjusted for inflation)

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Anonymous November 11, 2012 at 11:52

I also question why this is always ‘career destroying’ in America. It should not be.

It speaks to both character and judgement.
A man in a leadership position needs to demonstrate self-control over his impulses. If he can’t be an authority over himself, how can he lead others?

Not surprisingly the media will be ALL OVER this scandal because it involves SEX and intrigue, while ignoring more tedious matters like Benghazi, the Fiscal Cliff, Iran, etc. When over half your electorate is Female, things like sex scandals and abortion rights take on great importance. The government and the media become the great empathizers, exploiting emotion and fear; ignoring common sense.

Concepts like a Trillion of something is beyond the scope of the collective intellect. The women obsess over celebrity gossip and fashion, while the men on their favorite sports team.

Have you heard? The price of chocolate is going coming down next year. What great news brothers and sisters!

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Anonymous November 11, 2012 at 11:59

Anonymous Reader, I think your right .
There is something bigger going on . Take in account the general of the BBC retired in similar fashion one day after .
Considering he was probably an equal to the CIA director , Mi6 or something .
Along with the other fallout . One day after election , We got ourselves a real Government cover up .
Americans Love a good story a lot more than a good truth .
I wonder what the blunder was , I was sitting in a ready room during the Iran hostage crisis blunder , We all cried . It’s a funny thing seeing a Master Sargent cry . Tears for America .

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Joeb November 11, 2012 at 12:09

Anonymous Reader …… Your right ..There is more then what meets the eye here one day after ,the BBC general retires probably the MI6.
Plus all the other fallout . Makes me raise an eyebrow .
America loves a good story rather then the truth . The FBI stumbles upon this info and releases it to the press ,RIGHT . A tip from a caller .
This makes no sense . We are not talking about your High school teacher here .
This a man with the wave of a pinkie or Juster of his body can make people disappear .
Sound more like someone got there hand caught in the cookie jar .

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Tam the Bam November 11, 2012 at 12:49

So that’s it then? For real? The guy throws the towel in over a bit of tedious old skool Mad-Men-style married-all-round heterosexual rumpy-pumpy?

Which has only this very minute come to light, as the security services would never stoop so low as to make it their business to know, right down to the number of sheets of toilet paper used each day, anything and everything about their top military and intel people since the day they could walk?
Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised if they had all the used rubbers from the “affair”, retrieved and filed in cold storage by year, flavour and position, from Day One.

Thank goodness it’s got absolutely nothing to do with the Benghazi Consulate debacle, and shunting shedloads of the ex-Colonel’s materiel to the Syrian “opposition”.
I can’t see any former military commander from post-Saddam Iraq and Afghan getting canned for arguing against his bosses that arming shrieking hordes of Salafist nutcases, just because they’re agin the gubmint and willing to die in heaps, is an act of sheer folly.

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Uncle Elmer November 11, 2012 at 14:41

PICTURED: The State Department military liaison who sparked revelations of Petraeus affair after complaining to FBI about ‘jealous’ mistress

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2231411/David-Petraeus-scandal-Jill-Kelley-revealed-woman-complained-FBI-Paula-Broadwell.html

Jill Kelley, 37, of Tampa, Florida, is a State Department military liaison officer who appears to have a longstanding friendship with Petraeus, who quit as CIA director in disgrace last week.

Ms Kelley lives in a $1.2million house with her husband Scott, a surgeon, and their three children.

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Charles Martel November 11, 2012 at 15:00

Ms Kelley lives in a $1.2million house with her husband Scott, a surgeon, and their three children.

It’s open season on MDs. Paula Broadwell’s husband is a radiologist. I guess medical doctors have that irrestistible combination of naivete, long working hours and money!

Ms. Kelley looks like a real bruiser. Maybe Petraeus likes his women to tie him to the bedpost. Way to really go down in flames, dude.

And all you doctors out there, lay off the bimbos.

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Mickey T November 11, 2012 at 15:22

I don’t know if this was mentioned, but Petraeus was supposed to appear before the House/ Senate Intelligence Commitee this week in the Benghazi event investigation. Now that he stepped down, his deputy will have to testify.
Sounds like the continuation of the Obama cover up. It fits his MO.and that’s how he smeared Herman Cain in the Republican primary

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Mickey T November 11, 2012 at 15:32

I also learned that Hillary Clinton was supposed to appear before the House Intelligence Committee for the same investigation, but little miss Secretary Of State is “unavailable”.

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Uncle Elmer November 11, 2012 at 15:40

Off-topic but the gigantic sunglasses must be a way for “celebrities” to signal their presence to paparazzi.

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zed November 11, 2012 at 16:18

Now this is evolving from tragedy to farce.

That’s the truth.

Not surprisingly the media will be ALL OVER this scandal because it involves SEX and intrigue, while ignoring more tedious matters like Benghazi, the Fiscal Cliff, Iran, etc. When over half your electorate is Female, things like sex scandals and abortion rights take on great importance.

The most expensive, hotly contested, and controversial election in history was over less than 3 days before this story took over the headlines and became the top story.

Perhaps we just need to build bleachers outside Petraeus’s bedroom so the voyeurs which make up the culture will be more comfortable playing peeping Toms and Thomasinas.

Lyndon Johnson once remarked that he felt much more comfortable going into a meeting with a man “when I have his pecker in my pocket.” At the upper echelons of political power, few move forward who don’t have a self-destruct switch built in that they have given their superiors the key to.

Some commenters here may be pretty close to guessing the reasons that Petraeus’s self-destruct switch got thrown when it did, and the gossip addicts of the culture will assure that it served the purpose for which it was intended.

Anyone know what Petraeus’s position was on the coed military? With the top brass apparently forcing enlisted men to serve in close proximity to women, and setting records for the numbers of courts martial that result when things take their natural course when men and women are thrown together in a highly emotionally charged environment, it does appear that Petraeus’s own policy may have just turned around and bitten him in the backside.

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Mickey T November 11, 2012 at 16:57

Isn’t it odd that Hillary wants to step down along with Sec’y Of Defense, Leon Panetta right now?

It’s looking less and less like a sex scandal

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greyghost November 11, 2012 at 17:47

Uncler Elmer
The lady (married slut) was sending e’mails to rotect her dick from some other woman. All parties involved married. What the hell was she worried about they were all married. “when your done fucking the director he is coming over and fucking me and I get him for veterans day bitch. Just so you know so don’t go making plans.” Like that astronaut chick diving cross country (married with children) to kick some other womans ass to have her gine tingling stud all to herself.

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Mickey T November 11, 2012 at 18:52

Rebel,

I’ve been thinking about your post explaining why you are making typo errors etc in you comments because I have a similar problem. I thought it might be appropriate to explain why my comments are the way they are but I didn’t want to bore the guys even more. You brought out a good point, which was you wanted to get things off your chest. I like that idea, so I’m following your lead.

About 6 years ago, I became very ill from exposure to environmental toxins. I became disabled and had to close my business. I lost not only my business, but my house, much of my personal belongings (some from childhood) etc and most of all my health. My affliction was/is not understood by conventional medicine, so I had to seek help in the alternative medicine area. It took 18 different doctors in three states and a year before I found a doctor who understood the problem and was able to help. If it weren’t for him and my daughter who cared for me, I wouldn’t be here boring people.

We found that the major damage was done to my nervous system and respitory system. Of the many symptoms, the one which is evident here is the hypersensitivity to EMF (Electro Magnetic Fields). That means I cannot use my computer for much more than a few (literally) at a time and usually only a few times a day. I can’t take the time to read very much of what is being discussed, so my writing is full of errors, repititous, incomplete thoughts etc because it is always hurried. Matter of fact, I had to do this post in increments.

I’m here because I discovered at a young age (puberty) that there was something very wrong with the male/female relationship, particularly the way men were treated. I’ve observed and experienced more female problems than most here because of my years, so I felt I might have something to contribute.

TG for alternative medicine and caring family.

Keep the faith , brother.
Ciao,
Mickey T

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Earl November 11, 2012 at 22:05

I think the headline for this article is misleading. I did not see any link to anyone saying that Betrayus is a “homewrecker.” The title should be changed.

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Anon November 11, 2012 at 22:25

It all now makes clearer sense …

… A high class dogging, cottaging, MILFing and wife swapping ring amongst society elites.

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ecnayonnA November 12, 2012 at 01:05

to me, Petraeus should not loose his job. at most he should be told to keep it in his pants if he cant keep it more discrete. its up to the wife to punish him, not the media.

i must admit i do find it bemusing how the women are somehow being painted as victims. one is, Petraeus’s wife. the other victim is Broadwell’s husband, not Broadwell herself. and this whole situation got messy cos his other mistress Kelley got jelous as they all played out the Madman tv show.

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Avenger November 12, 2012 at 04:33

She was bored:

A British woman is divorcing her hubby on grounds the erotic bestseller Fifty Shades of Grey failed to get a rise out of his languishing libido.

The high-powered banker, who earns more than $600,000 a year, charged that her attempt to jump start their love life with author E.L. James’s raunchy novel backfired when her “boring” husband accused her of “unreasonable behavior.”

The 41-year-old woman’s attorney said it was the first time someone has cited the book — dubbed “mommy porn” for its explicit themes of bondage and S&M in a divorce petition.

“She thought their sex life had hit a rut — he never remembered Valentine’s Day and he never complimented her on her appearance,” divorce lawyer Amanda McAlister told the Daily Mail, who did not name her client or the soon-to-be ex-husband.

McAlister said the wife bought sexy underwear to entice her husband into making love, but he never even complimented her on her appearance.

“The woman had been reading the book and wanted to spice up her love life,” McAlister said. “She thought their sex life had hit a rut.”

When the wife pressed her husband to try out some of the action from the book, “he went ballistic” and blamed her for their marital meltdown, McAlister said.

“It’s all because you have been reading that bloody book,” the husband told his wife, according to McAlister.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/fifty-shades-leads-woman-divorce-husaband-article-1.1200300#ixzz2C0pgkRAb

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Mike Hunter November 12, 2012 at 05:15

Great article and spot on. Another angle worth considering is this:

Would Paula Broadwell or other women like her have been able to be such high achievers if she didn’t have the option of controlling her fertility? According to planned parenthood 50% of women have had at least one abortion; many more have legally and unilaterally abandoned their parental responsibilities via adoption or abandonment.

How many Paula Broadwells were able to go on and live a prosperous life because they were given a free pass regarding their parental responsibilities after banging the freshman boy down the hall and getting pregnant? How many men have been doomed to lives of minimum wage mediocrity, and debtors prison because they lack those same legal protections?

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Tam the Bam November 12, 2012 at 06:31

@Charles Martel: The single most disturbing aspect of those all-pals-together photos from the Daily Heil is that the giants in black dresses are, apparently, women.
I mean, some Brazilian trannies are actually oddly beautiful and “feminine”. In a slightly strange way, I’ll grant.

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keyster November 12, 2012 at 08:21

Send anonymous threatening emails to a state dept military liason officer completely oblivious to the fact they can be traced back to you very easily. Lesson learned: Don’t have an affair with a stupid psycho bitch that doesn’t understand basic technology.

This time next year we’ll be reading her tell-all book.
It’ll be a New York Times best seller and she’ll make a million $$$.
She’ll be on The View, The Today Show et al….as the victim of sexual harrassement, confused, distraught, didn’t mean for it to go that far, etc. “He just sort of over-powered me and it became physical.”

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Manlyman November 12, 2012 at 08:34

Sugar and spice and everything nice…

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Tom Smith November 12, 2012 at 08:59

The question is whether she had the affair to get more “notoriety” for her book? No one has sought to answer that one- I guess this represents a “failure” of U.S. journalism.

The larger problem is- and that Mr. Price is right in one aspect- for us “ordinary” males the only way for us to become successful is to open a business. And when you get too successful, you will be slapped down by the woman “with your pecker in her pocket.”

Mr. Patraeus was a legacy at West Point AND his family came from a group of people who had been in the establishment for decades. The reason this lady met him was because she was- no surprise here- at a top (read Ivy league) school writing a graduate paper. (And as such, this is a place where lower end- but talented- women try to go to “trade-up.”)

While Patraeus was a great leader, the REAL question that has to be asked is how do we disconnect the legacy people from government to enable the “fresh blood” in????- This “fresh blood” must insure that talented alpha males (as opposed to females) get into such institutions. It also must assure that no one group has priority access to all sorts of privileges (as appears the case with Mr. Patraeus). It is the attraction of this woman- who viewed it as “ego” to have such a man- that ultimately brought Mr. Patraeus down.

And the question has to be asked- was Mr. Patraeus really an “alpha?” Or was he someone who was put there because of his distiguished history? If it was the latter, the security of this country is certainly at stake.

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Sam November 12, 2012 at 09:47

This kind of thing makes me sick. So the general was having an affair. B.F.D. Or maybe, like Clinton, he just needed a blow job once in a while to ease the stress of the job. Why should this ruin a man’s life and career?
It shouldn’t, but it seems there are many on a witch hunt to bring down every man in power, irregardless of his service and contribution. The worse offenders are trouble-making woman who are driven by jealousy or misandry.

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MRAwesome November 12, 2012 at 09:59

I agree with the commenter who said that the notoriety is a plus for her book.

Whether it is calculated or not, we cannot know. But no one had ever heard of her until this, so in that regard, mission accomplished.

I hope her husband can at least get out of CS given her book royalties.

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Uncle Elmer November 12, 2012 at 10:10

“The lady (married slut) was sending e’mails to rotect her dick from some other woman. All parties involved married. What the hell was she worried about they were all married. “when your done fucking the director he is coming over and fucking me and I get him for veterans day bitch. Just so you know so don’t go making plans.””

Exactly. A wife-swapping club as someone else intimated. This stuff has been around since the 60s. If they would get outside their bubble and visit a porn shop or find an old tattered copy of “Swingles” there wouldn’t be no damn scandal. Perhaps after one of their new swingle friends such as Davon gets bludgeoned to death with the ceremonial cudgel given to the general for his services would we have a real scandal worthy of a “Dateline” episode.

Mickey T : “…so my writing is full of errors, repititous, incomplete thoughts etc because it is always hurried…”

Dude, get an Alphasmart NEO. Runs for a year on 3 AA batteries with almost no EM emittance. You could also download your favorite Spearhead essays and read them, though a Kindle might be better for that.

http://www.neo-direct.com

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Norm November 12, 2012 at 10:10

Not surprised she was considered the victim by the hopefully soon to be defunct NYT’s. Broadwell will be recieving money from her husband and get the kids and go on the View and say how she is being oppressed and victimised.
Strange how this comes out just before Betray-us was to testify on the Libya gun running and ambassador’s death in Libya. Coincidence of course. ;)

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Anonymous November 12, 2012 at 10:25

Hypergamy rides again!

or

Pimp Daddy Petreaus!

your choice.

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keyster November 12, 2012 at 10:50

Be aware, as a young cadet the politically savvy Petraeus courted and married the rather homely West Point commandant’s daughter Holly.

So yeah, it’s kinda like that…how things come full circle.
Marry the boss’s daughter and doors can magically open up to a rather robust career path and bright future ahead…until an aggressive vixen with a killer bod takes you down in a moment of evolutionary weakness to pro-create with younger poohtang.

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Anonymous November 12, 2012 at 10:53

Congressman Eric Ivan Cantor, U.S. Republican representative for Virginia knew and was deeply involved plenty much, ages before the Presidential elections.

… :- But house Speaker John Boehner, Republican representative for Ohio was not briefed as Cantors boss, ’cause Cantors own pecker was implicated in the ring alongside Petrauses. Moreover, Cantor needs Boehners failure to seize house speakers job.

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Mickey T November 12, 2012 at 11:37

@ Uncle E RE: Dude, get an alphasmart NEO

What does “almost no EM emittance” mean?? Do you mean that the milligauss reading is within the “safe” range. If so, it means very little because there are many other factors.

EMF (Electro Magnetic Fields) intensity is usually determined by voltage and/or frequency and sometimes the sensitivity and state of the “recipient”. Milligauss is one rough way of determining the EMF emissions A device can be in the “safe” range on the meter, but it can be harmful.

My problem usually lies within the intermediate frequency range (300hz-100khz) depending in the voltage. I can be exposed to 100 kv out of the intermediate range and get reaction. I can also get a reaction from 1 volt in the range and get a reaction. Three AA batteries means nothing. I’ve get reactions from a 4 watt nite lite across the room, a transistor radio with 2 AAs, a battery powered watch, remote control, tv, wall switch, lamp dimmer, table clock, automobile electronics, telephone (all types), fax machine, air purifier, elec stove and oven, battery and elec wall clock…………

I measured, tested or researched about all the word processors including the NEO, 3000 etc and found them to be potentially harmful using the best methods available.

I have to nix this one, but thanks anyway, Dude.

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Charles Martel November 12, 2012 at 12:35

I’ve get reactions from a 4 watt nite lite across the room

That stretches my credulity to the limit. A 4 watt resistive load twelve feet away? You couldn’t measure the electromagnetic emissions from that. If you’re that sensitive you couldn’t walk into a house, along a city sidewalk or drive a car. You’d have to live like the Amish.

I’m sure I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know but:” The majority of provocation trials to date have found that self-described sufferers of electromagnetic hypersensitivity are unable to distinguish between exposure to real and fake electromagnetic fields.”

Also: “The symptoms described by ‘electromagnetic hypersensitivity’ sufferers can be severe and are sometimes disabling. However, it has proved difficult to show under blind conditions that exposure to electromagnetic fields can trigger these symptoms. This suggests that ‘electromagnetic hypersensitivity’ is unrelated to the presence of electromagnetic fields, although more research into this phenomenon is required.”

And: “In the words of a HPA review, they concluded that “the differences in prevalence were at least partly due to the differences in available information and media attention around electromagnetic hypersensitivity that exist in different countries. Similar views have been expressed by other commentators.”

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Mickey T November 12, 2012 at 14:30

If everyone here could see you guys through my eyes, you would lose a considerable amount of respect.

You don’t believe it, because you are small minded. You can’t think outside of the box.

I once asked a prominent physician with impressive credentials who sounded a little like you, why it was that just fifty years ago many afflictions were considered psychosomatic, but science has proven otherwise since then. His best response: “Yes, but not all of them”.

I don’t care to discuss this any further with people like you.

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Mickey T November 12, 2012 at 14:34

The above comment is addressed to Charles Martel RE: Nov 12 , 12:35

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No BS November 12, 2012 at 14:43

So here is my take on this debacle. We have a man who has served his country ably for 37 years in the Army and risen to the rank of a four star general. They have not had a five star general since World War Two. He is generally credited with being the key guy who turned around a deteriorating military situation in Iraq and is being groomed for bigger and better things (hence the appointment to head the CIA).
Three months ago rumors float that Romney is going to select him as his VP. Ten days before the election the CIA puts out a statement saying no one in the CIA ordered that the Americans in Benghazi under attack be abandoned. Well, if no one in the CIA gave such an order, then who did? The answer is pretty obvious.
The General was going to testify on that very point this week. Now apparently he will not testify and his public credibility is in tatters. I am sure this is all a coincidence. Cui bono?

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Pops November 12, 2012 at 14:44

This is a great read and hitting right on the money.

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Charles Martel November 12, 2012 at 16:46

Mickey T
I don’t care to discuss this any further with people like you.

What kind of person would that be?

You brought the topic of your electromagnetic sensitivity into a thread on the downfall of David Petraeus. Not too relevant, but I’m open-minded so what the hey.

I don’t totally exclude the possibility that some people are hypersensitive to electromagnetic fields but by temperament and disposition I’m a member of the reality-based community. So when I read that sufferers from electromagnetic hypersensitivity are located primarily in either the UK or Sweden it does raise a question or two. I’m guessing you’re not Swedish. So you must be in the UK.

To date, the only proven treatment for ES is cognitive behavioral therapy. This research was carried out at the Environmental Illness Research Center in Huddinge, Sweden.

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Avenger November 12, 2012 at 18:11

“once asked a prominent physician with impressive credentials who sounded a little like you, why it was that just fifty years ago many afflictions were considered psychosomatic, but science has proven otherwise since then. His best response: “Yes, but not all of them”.

Because doctors can only operate by what is known and not under the thousands of crackpot theories that are always floating around.Psychosomatic just means that at the time they could not find medical reason for a condition. You can’t just treat something because someone read about a “cure” in the National Enquirer. There was enough quackery 100 years ago.

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Anonymous November 13, 2012 at 01:38

And now another US General is at risk of losing his career and good name as a result of this.

Top US commander in Afghanistan Gen John Allen is being investigated for allegedly sending “inappropriate emails” to a woman at the centre of a scandal ending the career of CIA head Gen David Petraeus, officials say.

The emails are said to have been sent to Jill Kelley whose complaint led the FBI to uncover Gen Petraeus’s extra-marital affair with Paula Broadwell.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20308225

It is always the men who are blamed and fall from grace, whilst the women are rewarded, even though “it takes two to tango”.

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Tam the Bam November 13, 2012 at 07:44

And the sister is ..

President
Law Office of Natalie K. Khawam, Esq.

January 2012 – Present (11 months) Tampa/St. Petersburg, Florida Area
Specializing in Qui Tam law, exclusively representing whistleblowers.

.. bla bla ..

February 2010 – December 2011 (1 year 11 months)
In-House Counsel
Delta Medical Care

January 2010 – October 2011 (1 year 10 months)
Healthcare Attorney
Cohen, Foster & Romine, P.A.

May 2009 – December 2009 (8 months)
Director, Special Counsel/Assistant to CFO
Holy Cross Hospital (Trinity Health Systems)

2007 – 2008 (1 year)
Legal Counsel
Office of the General Counsel, U.S. Department of Health & Human Services

2005 – 2006 (1 year)
Consultant and founder/author of the Federal Update
Medicaid Health Plans of America

March 2004 – January 2006 (1 year 11 months)
Researcher at the Office of the Clerks of the Court
U.S. Supreme Court

.. undoubtedly unbiased and unmotivated to do the necessary for Barry O.

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Tam the Bam November 13, 2012 at 07:59

Oh I can’t be bothered any more, this is all getting too crazy too fast lol

In the late 1980s, the Khawams ran a Middle Eastern restaurant in Voorhees called Sahara. The restaurant was closed within a few years, according to a 1990 bankruptcy petition the couple filed.
John Khawam also owned an auto tag store in Northeast Philadelphia, records show.
The family lived for a while in Northeast Philadelphia, then moved to Huntingdon Valley. Jill Khawam and her twin sister, Natalie, were the youngest of four children.

About a decade ago, both women moved to Tampa, where Jill’s husband, Scott Kelley, works as a surgeon.
Natalie Khawam, a lawyer and single mother,lives with them, according to a bankruptcy petition she filed earlier this year.

“Jill and her doctor husband Scott Kelley have their own legal problems – they have at least four lawsuits filed against them and two foreclosures in Hillsborough County, totalling millions that they owe, according to court records”
http://articles.philly.com/2012-11-12/news/35069854_1_natalie-khawam-petraeus-marcelle-khawam
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/11/david-petraeus-scandal-jill-kelley-owes-millions-hires-monica-lewinsky-crisis

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Mickey T November 13, 2012 at 08:37

@ Charles Martel

You have no first hand experience and you are beyond your area of understanding.
My advice would be not believe much of what you read, especially on the internet, and more than that, don’t accept it as fact to insult your friends. Drop it, Charles.

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Mickey T November 13, 2012 at 10:16

@ Revenger RE: Nov 12 28:11
“Because doctors can only operate………”

Typically you miss the point and your above comment is no exception. I’ll explain.
I put doctors in basically three categories.
1)Those who deny the existence of a claimed affliction because they did not learn about in medical school and they refuse to research it, or consult with their colleagues about it. This so because some are naive and gullible enough to accept what their teachers say to the letter. But most of them deny it because their ego cannot accept there might be a valid illness which they are not aware of in spite of the available evidence.
2)The doctor who knows little to nothing about it, but tries to keep an open mind and treats you for what conventional medicine has to offer.
3)Then there is the doctor, usually in the occupational and environment medicine field, who not only studies EMF hypersensitivity, but treats it along with other symptoms related to environmental toxins.

You are looking at it too simplistically, Revenger.

I have a question for you and a favor to ask of you..
What did somebody do to you, to make you behave as you do?
Other than the above question, could you please refrain from commenting on anything I write. Your Narcissistic “Smartest guy in the room syndrome” (my own) has become a real drag long ago.

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Mickey T November 13, 2012 at 12:03

RE:Nov 13 10:i6
Should ha said #3 picks up on alternative med where conventional leaves off.

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ve November 13, 2012 at 14:35

I thought the solution was for him to pick up the phone and say “I’ve brought a stranger into our house.”

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Avenger November 13, 2012 at 16:53

1)Those who deny the existence of a claimed affliction because they did not learn about in medical school and they refuse to research it, or consult with their colleagues about it

Nonsense as usual.If a doctor was not knowlegeable about the condition he’d turn it over to someone who was.Especially today when the proles and their shysters are sue happy.

2)The doctor who knows little to nothing about it, but tries to keep an open mind and treats you for what conventional medicine has to offer

That’s all of them today and what I was referring to.

3)Then there is the doctor, usually in the occupational and environment medicine field, who not only studies EMF hypersensitivity, but treats it along with other symptoms related to environmental toxins.

Hold on there kid. Now you’re talking about toxins that can be tested for.

You are looking at it too simplistically, Revenger

There is no such word as simplistic, it’s simple or simply. And don’t tell me it’s in the dictionary because a lot of slang prole words have been added recently in the past 20 years.

‘Other than the above question, could you please refrain from commenting on anything I write’

You’re free to write any nonsense you like but when you write something on a public blog you have to be grown up enough to take any comments someone else may write.

“Your Narcissistic “Smartest guy in the room syndrome” (my own) has become a real drag long ago.”

It appears that you’re guilty of what you accuse others of.You read something somewhere and now you believe you’re an expert while all of those scientists and doctors who have studied years never thought of it. I bet you’re the type who goes to a doctor and tells him what disease you have and how to treat it lol A real drag and annoyance. Doctors are trained to ignore this nonsense but what they’d really like to say is, “well if you know what the problem is and how to treat it then why did you come to me”
I bet you’re also the type who complains that the doctor isn’t listening to you. Sure, because he’s heard the same irrelevant nonsense from the 1000 patients before. A lot of things that patients complain of are just normal bodily functions.

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Avenger November 13, 2012 at 17:00

Should ha said #3 picks up on alternative med where conventional leaves off

There is no such thing.Medicine is pragmatic and doctors don’t follow any school of thought like eg. homeopathy.
Anything that has been proven to work will be incorporated into mainstream medicine.

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Charles Martel November 13, 2012 at 19:06

Mickey T
You have no first hand experience and you are beyond your area of understanding.

Seriously, I’d be happy for you to explain it to me. What have you got?

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Charles Martel November 13, 2012 at 19:12

Anything that has been proven to work will be incorporated into mainstream medicine.

Unless there’s no way to bill for it.

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Avenger November 13, 2012 at 19:29

Unless there’s no way to bill for it.

Yes, then it will be OTC :)

Acturally that doesn’t even make sense because if you use a service whether it’s a doctor or auto mechanic you’re charged for it. You’re quite free to fix your own car or set your own arm if you break it. You guys who want to live in the backwoods away from wimmens need to learn how to set your own bones and stop bleeding when you cut your foot off with an axe or shoot yourself in the head by accident. Be sure to bring Granny Clampets big book of learnin’ on Appalachian healing and Old Wives Tales.

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Charles Martel November 13, 2012 at 22:14

You guys who want to live in the backwoods away from wimmens need to learn how to set your own bones and stop bleeding when you cut your foot off with an axe or shoot yourself in the head by accident.

Not at all. Doctors and anesthesia and stuff are really helpful when you have bones sticking out of your skin. The rest of the time it’s more of a toss-up. Will they help you or will they kill you with all the useless crap Big Pharma wants them to sell you. e.g. statins.

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Mickey T November 14, 2012 at 06:25

RE: Nov 13 16:53-Revenger

I guess there are some here (naive, young, tolerant….) who might take you seriously i some way. When you don’t know what you are talking about, you make things up. You and your ego live in a make believe world, and you do men no benefit in the area of male liberation.
You put your ego before your brothers who are in need.
I have no more time or patience for you.

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I wish I had the time to go into the discussion of healthcare today as I’ve explained in my post to Rebel. I’ve experienced more than I would have preferred in the last 7 years. Much of is shocking to people in and out of the field and it should be told. I have some people who have better “writing skills” than me who are willing to help write a book.

I do regret writing the post to Rebel which started the discussion, my intentions were good but, it wasn’t appropriate. I do not regret writing the post because the topic should be talked out somewhere and often and will probably benefit many.

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Mickey T November 14, 2012 at 11:12

I didn’t mention that I cared for my wife for seven years who suffered with, according to one doctor, “a hellish disease”. There were lot of healthcare people involved.

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Jaego November 14, 2012 at 11:12

No country for old Men? No country for White Men. Time to go out on our own. The State has betrayed the Nation. Men’s Rights are naturally allied with Nationalism – as opposed to Globalism or Empire. And for White Men, that means White Nationalism. For other Men that will mean something else.

http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/a-white-nationalist-memo-to-white-male-republicans/

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Charles Martel November 14, 2012 at 12:01

Mickey T
I do regret writing the post to Rebel which started the discussion, my intentions were good but, it wasn’t appropriate. I do not regret writing the post because the topic should be talked out somewhere and often and will probably benefit many.

Unfortunately, the onus of proof is on you. You need to be willing to shoulder that burden. I don’t claim to be an expert on ES but I don’t have to be. The available ES research is readily available on line and the current state of the art is that ES is not proven. There are no consistent results and the best that even the most supportive of researchers have been able to come up with is that ES is a real phenomenon as experienced by its sufferers that appears to be unrelated to the presence of electromagnetic fields.

I am much more open to these kinds of phenomena than you might believe. For example, I have been watching Morgellons Syndrome for years. I have been quite prepared to believe that Morgellons is a new disease, possibly related in some way to genetically engineered bacteria or plants. Unfortunately, there’s absolutely no consistency in the samples submitted for analysis by Morgellons sufferers. The Morgellons fiber samples have proven to be a whole range of stuff including clothing and carpet fibers.

Mainstream medicine can do nothing until there’s an accepted and scientifically-proven model for a specific condition or disease. Until then it’s all just voodoo and witchdoctory.

You have my sympathy for being afflicted by a condition for which there is currently no medically accepted cause or treatment.

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Mickey T November 14, 2012 at 12:40

Atty General, Eric Holder, knew that the FBI was investigating Gen Petraeus for an affair with a woman in September, but, it seems he didn’t tell the President until the day after election day.

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Avenger November 14, 2012 at 16:47

“Will they help you or will they kill you with all the useless crap Big Pharma wants them to sell you. e.g. statins.”

Many of these drugs were intended for severe conditions, not mild ones. And besides, it’s only after large numbers of people have taken these drugs that you have a better idea about the benefit vs harm they cause.

“Doctors and anesthesia and stuff are really helpful when you have bones sticking out of your skin. The rest of the time it’s more of a toss-up”

You only say that because you’re accustomed to the way it is today and just believe it was always this way but even a short time ago people would die from things that can be treated now.FDR died from hypertension in 1945 (so did Wilson).Drugs were developed in the 50′s and are still being developed but the cause of hypertension is still unknown today in 99% of the cases.People would die from TB, infections, tetanus and a hundred other things that can be treated today so it’s not just a matter of setting bones or better pain killers.
There are degenerative diseases and just plain aging where the body is basically deteriorating that nothing can be done except some palliative treatment.
There are psychiatric diseases (and these are real diseases) where either there is some brain damage that they just can’t detect / or some problem with functioning that triggers symptoms like that “Morgellons Syndrome ” you mentioned. There are rare conditions and diseases that no one knows anything about.Humans are very diverse and respond to drugs differently and even different diets may influence how the drug works. We’re not talking about white rats that may be genetically alike and are eating the same things in a lab.

@Mickey-I’m sure that ““a hellish disease”” had a name. What was it?

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Mickey T November 15, 2012 at 11:46

OK, Charles, you seem like a decent guy and I think you are sincere about trying to keep an open mind.

Firstly, I’m more than fully aware of the fact that conventional medicine does recognize EMF as a valid illness and knows virtually noting about it. Remember in my post to Rebel I wrote, “I searched three states and went through 18 different doctors to find one who understood and was able to treat me.”??

Why on God’s green earth should I ever want to prove EMF hypersensitivity symptoms to anyone, especially doctors. If a doctor has never heard of it, or he has heard and knows little, or he denies the existence of it because he’s never heard of it and conventional medicine makes no mention of it anywhere, would any these doctors ever help me?? If man goes to a doctor, and the man is well groomed, pleasant, in no apparent distress, alert and speaks coherently, is a successful retired businessman, no history of psycho problems………….But this man is complaining about feeling very sick when he is near the tv, computer……generally, why shouldn’t the doctor believe him, give him the benefit of the doubt?? I’ll tell you why…………… “Onus of proof” Bullshit!

I believe you said somewhere, that internet sources contend that people have complained of symptoms while there was no EMF detected. Only tell me if I’m correct, so I can respond and continue.

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Mickey T November 15, 2012 at 11:50

Corrections of my 11:46

……and desire to find the truth.
…….conventional medicine does NOT recognize EMF……..

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Anon November 15, 2012 at 13:34

Another strong independent woman whom Barak-Obutthole’s been shilling for lately, is Ms. Susan incompetent Rice. An angry, inept and unstable woman, Commander in Chief has earmarked for foreign affairs Secretary of State.

It is this lying ho’s false assertions to the nation surrounding murdered US diplomats in Libya that set off this whole quagmire. But trust white knight in chief Obutthole to sing and rage her praises indignantly, before appointing her as Hitlery’s replacement.

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Avenger November 15, 2012 at 15:08

@Mickey-If you believe that this electromagnetic hypersensitivity was a problem then why didn’t you just get rid of every device that may cause it and also move to a different location. And what are you doing on a computer now? Hmm

“If man goes to a doctor, and the man is well groomed, pleasant, in no apparent distress, alert and speaks coherently, is a successful retired businessman, no history of psycho problems”

When I was student I was on the psych ward for 3 months and the patients were the same (most of the time) so that means nothing.
Answer this question for me. What does this saying mean?

“A rolling stone gathers no moss”

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Mickey T November 15, 2012 at 16:39

You got me, Revenger. Maybe I could fool the rest of the guys here, but I should have known that I couldn’t pull the wool over your eyes.

Q-why didn’t you get rid of every device that may cause…..?
A-All devices were measured and tested. There are some devices which do not bring about symptoms. Some were eliminated, some were disconnected from power eg-built in micro wave oven, some were unplugged when not in use, clocks are all battery and well away from me, all lamps are incandescent and have low wattage lamp-bulbs, wires in walls do not bring symptoms, location of elec junction boxes in wall are noted and avoided, I wear THREE pendant protection devices at all times, I avoid stove and oven when in use………….I could go on

Q-And what are you doing on your computer now?
A-I use a grounded glass filter over my monitor, I sit 5 ft away from monitor, grounded aluminum shield over tower, ground myself, use a minute timer (sometimes have to leave sooner) , sometimes have student come in and type………………

Q-move to a different location
A- no need, I moved to a new house(up dated wiring etc) when toxic mold was found in my old house, sub division has UG wires……………

I only answered for those who might be genuinely interested, and prove that you need something to do.

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Mickey T November 15, 2012 at 16:58

Oh- I use four different “first aid” remedies, 2 different drinks and 2 different sublingual drops for immediate relief eg-after computer use.

If you have some kind of background in the medical field, you are a great illustration of what I’ve observed for years. The field is rife with arrogance, ignorance, small and closed minds, uncaring, incompetence, corruption, malice, greed…….

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Mickey T November 15, 2012 at 17:23

I can’t possibly say that I think you fit all the descriptions that I’ve listed, but from what I’ve seen here, you fit enough to be potentially harmful to patients. That reminds me, I should have listed an overinflated ego.

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Avenger November 15, 2012 at 19:51

@Mickey-what did you expects a doctor to do about your symptoms?If something was causing them then just stay away from the cause like people who are allergic avoid certain things. And if due to some idiosyncrasy you can’t be near certain things then you’re just going to have to stay away from them. Did you expect some magic drug that would let you do these things? That’s life. You’re like someone who has a severe allergy to cats but still wants a cat for a pet and expects a doctor to have some drug to make it all possible.And I’m sure that some doctor told you to avoid these things and if you had mould to have it cleaned up or move if the house was too far gone.Perhaps your house was built over some toxic waste dump, it’s more likely in the country because these were empty areas where they could dump it in the past. There are toxins everywhere in the nice “clean” country, even the water may be crap. You’ve seen these Westerns where they’re dying of thrist and find a water hole in the middle of nowhere and the water is poison or well water is no good. City water is from pure springs or the mountains and is constantly monitored.

“people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”

What does that mean?

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Avenger November 15, 2012 at 19:52

Oh- I use four different “first aid” remedies, 2 different drinks and 2 different sublingual drops for immediate relief eg-after computer use.

And what are these things? Give me the generic name of them. Or is that some big secret?

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Mickey T November 16, 2012 at 06:31

You’re making yourself look foolish, Revenger.

I don’t know your age, but for your sake, I hope there is time for you to realize.

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Avenger November 16, 2012 at 13:38

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Try one of these. And stop posting about your imaginary medical problems on a blog for men.

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Mickey T November 17, 2012 at 16:01

Did you always mock and chase away a man who you think is mentally sick enough to imagine what I’ve described? You are that certain that the ailment is only imagined,that you would just send him away?
You are behaving like doctor no 1, your ego won’t allow you to acknowledge the existence of an illness because you don know of it. That’s the doctor who say doesn’t exist.
You need help.

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Mickey T November 17, 2012 at 16:53

Also, doctor no 1 would at least send him to a “shrink”.

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