“Old White Republicans” Claptrap is Pure Projection

by W.F. Price on November 9, 2012

The latest Newsweek cover declares Republicans “history” because they are old and white, but I noticed something shortly after the election that ought to give the pundits repeating that line pause: the oldest states overwhelmingly supported Obama. In fact, Vermont, which is one of the oldest and whitest states in the US, gave Obama a full 67% of its votes. Maine, which is the oldest state in the US (and another one of the whitest), gave him 56%. The only old state in which Obama lost was West Virginia.

The youngest states – Utah, Alaska, Idaho and Texas – all went solidly Republican.

For years, I’ve noticed that old white liberals consistently portray their political rivals as, well… Old and white. It’s as though they are stuck back in 1972, and think they are still 20-somethings battling Richard Nixon. It’s both amusing and annoying at the same time, but for once I’d like to see some honesty about this issue.

Apparently, Obama won largely on the old, white vote, especially in the old, white stronghold of the Northeast.

Why are white liberal states so old? Because liberals don’t have many children. And because they are still firmly attached to the old American Republican/Democrat paradigm (which is, for better or worse, finally crumbling), they are quite fearful of being outbred by their conservative rivals. This is why they cling to the hope that young minorities will join them in their high-minded Puritan ideals and lifestyle, which is not going to happen, but hey, they’ll be dead by that time anyway.

So, allow me to predict a bit of what the American political future will look like based on demographics:

White people will be more conservative, minorities will remain as they are (i.e. they’ll vote Democrat but will not be “liberals”), and white liberals will be largely dead or in nursing homes (real estate is going to be pretty cheap in New England in a decade or so). Young liberals, AKA progressives, will constitute a shrinking proportion of the national population. The SWPL lifestyle will be marginalized, the country will be divided roughly in two between whites and minorities, and we’ll begin to see the emergence of truly distinct populations separated by ethnicity and geography, and probably language in some cases.

Yes, it’s true: Old white people – like all old people – are on the way out. But the old whites with kids and grandkids will see their legacy carry on. Old white liberals, not so much.

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geographybeefinalisthimself November 9, 2012 at 14:40

Notice how most white Vermonsters and white Mainiacs preach tolerance and diversity, but live miles from the nearest ghetto, and you’d have to use brute force to get Vermonsters/Mainiacs to said ghetto. Northern New York liberals are not much better.

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Uncle Elmer November 9, 2012 at 15:04

Well, in defense of Ebonics, anyone can learn it, so it’s even easier than Esperanto and thus a viable candidate for a national language.

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anti Idiocy November 9, 2012 at 15:04

People are tribal — whites tend to stick with whites, browns with browns, yellows with yellows, blacks with blacks. The strongest force in political correctness has always been white women, particularly feminists. But they have undermined themselves. In allying themselves with blacks, gays, and others who often had legitimate gripes, at least several decades ago, they sought to undermine and even crush white, heterosexual men. But blacks, hispanics, and others will soon feel less and less allegiance to white women, especially as they come to realize just how privileged white women are. Unfortunately for white women, they will have critically undermined their previously strong, potential allies in their tribe — white men.

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Uncle Elmer November 9, 2012 at 15:18

Do African-Americans read Newsweek?

Because they made Obama look ridiculous in the George Washington frock.

I know African-Americans read “Time” because I was at the barber and leafed through a special issue “The Democrats”, and every single ad from luggage to Big Oil featured African-Americans. On the way home passed a big billboard with a concerned/helpful Black Physician, then stopped at the grocery which had an ad board at the front door featuring the chummy/helpful Black Pharmacist, who oddly works at two other competing groceries in town.

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Mark Plus November 9, 2012 at 15:19

Has anyone noticed that the same progressives who dismiss America’s white population as a holdover from the past also tend to portray the pasty-white and aging Scandinavian countries as progressive utopias? I guess that means they think that America has the “wrong” sort of white people, and that we have lost a say in running this country.

I also find it interesting that the progressive micromanaging of our lives stops at sex. If anything, progressives want to encourage promiscuity, especially for gays and single women, even though this makes no sense on so many levels, from public health to family stability to just plain emotional well being. It looks as if they know that the erosion of our character through promiscuity makes us easier to rule.

I first came across this insight from a secular source back in high school in the late 1970′s. Aldous Huxley in the Foreword to the 1947 edition of “Brave New World” writes:

“As political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends compensatingly to increase. And the dictator (unless he needs cannon fodder and families with which to colonize empty or conquered territories) will do well to encourage that freedom. In conjunction with the freedom to daydream under the influence of dope and movies and the radio, it will help to reconcile his subjects to the servitude which is their fate.”

At the time I didn’t understand what Huxley meant, though the words haunted me for years; but with the hindsight of life experience, maturity and a study of history, I can see the eerily prophetic wisdom in his warning about promiscuity as a tool of compliance to tyranny.

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"The One" November 9, 2012 at 15:21

anti Idiocy: There’s no point it waiting around for the progressive coalition to fall apart. Feminists need to be punished as their influence declines, so that all the good girls will see that bad women have low status.

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MRA November 9, 2012 at 15:29

This is why Herman Cain was a big threat, he was a contrast of white, rich man, he was black millionaire and they, white old women, Gloria Allred needed to shame him and portray him as sexual predator.

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Madvillainy November 9, 2012 at 15:35

A magazine openly celebrating the racial cleansing of a people. As white people, specifically white men, become a minority the celebrating is going to get louder. Affirmative action, AKA open and grossly unjust discrimination against white men, will remain as strong as ever, and “liberals”, “progressives” and other psychopaths will find new ways to marginalize, ridicule, and hate white men. This isn’t about “diversity”, it’s about hatred.

It’s only going to get worse. They’re drooling about the day when whites are officially a minority. The celebratory articles are going to be numerous, and the discrimination will be done with a mocking laugh right in your face.

But hey, don’t say a peep though because that means your a WhiteSupremacistNationalistHitler. It amazes me how silent white men are during their own marginalization, or even better, how they openly support it!

Weirdest thing I’ve ever seen.

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Anonymous Reader November 9, 2012 at 15:49

George Washington frock? I thought that was more Napoleonic…

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American November 9, 2012 at 15:51

I have said this before,and will repeat here, the gender-feminist establishment that dominate East coast politics, is very much a de-facto whites only community, but they will parade a black female in front of the television cameras to show everyone their “diversity”.
I will add that white gender-feminists despise blacks and minorities so much that they got “homosexual” to be categorized as a minority, so they could fill the ranks of academia, and bureaucracies with white women, and white homosexual males….and call this “Diverse”.

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American November 9, 2012 at 15:56

We hear all the time the loud mouth Gender-raunch community talk about how they are the embodiment of “Diversity” but is this really true. American Gender-feminists idea of diversity is filling their ranks with “white” gender-feminist women, and “white” homosexual males, I mean lets get real here, IS THIS REALLY DIVERSITY???

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Brendan November 9, 2012 at 15:57

The whole meme is garbage, Bill. The MSM is trying to spin the GOP into a crisis whereby it decides to abandon being even somewhat conservative, and becomes more of a “loyal opposition” to their leadership, offering the advantage of slowing down changes but not stopping them — thereby making them more palatable to the population at large. They want the GOP to be the sugar that helps the Democratic medicine go down. So, they want the GOP to abandon its principles and “get real”, because of some demographic doomsday that supposedly happened on Tuesday.

The reality is this.

Obama won Ohio by a bit over 100k votes out of ~5.3m cast. 50.1% of the vote in Ohio.

Obama is leading in the vote count in Florida (which, looking at the Allen West situation, is looking to have been a huge shenanigans festival) by 52k votes out of 8.3m cast.

Obama won Virginia by 120k votes out of 3.7m cast.

These are *razor* thin margins. Razor thin. The electorate was ~10% latino, meaning they had about 12m votes, and 75% of them went to Obama. Painful for the GOP, and something they need to look at to be sure, but the other 109m votes weren’t Latino, and 75% of the total votes were white votes. Romney won 59% or so of those. Had he won 61% of them, Romney would be President today, full stop, and the media wouldn’t be recommending that the Republican party abandon any and all social issues from the perspective of the right.

A lot of bullshit is being spewed about what happened on Tuesday. What happened in reality was that the Democrats won a razor thin election based on ekeing out very narrow victories in a handful of states that could have very easily gone the other way had the GOP increased its appeal to white voters by a tiny amount. So, a need for adjustment, to be sure, but not a need for abandonment of the principles that underlie conservatism as a set of ideas.

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Anonymous Reader November 9, 2012 at 16:02

Add to the “old whites” the transplanted New Yorkers who vote in Florida, the Democratic Farm-Labor voters of Minnesota (who are very similar to Victor Davis Hanson in outlook, if not geography), the unionists of Pennsylvania and Ohio and Michigan. Retired teachers across the country are uniformly white, female and voters for Matriarchy D.

On the other hand, just because someone is dead, they are in no way limited in their ability to vote for Matriarchy D, generally by absentee ballot. I’m sure there was a share of that in Florida this time, and there will be as much in the future.

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keyster November 9, 2012 at 16:12

There are rather wise contingents of minorities that are fully aware they’re being played by the Elitist Class of uptown white liberals. If you get a chance listen to brothers Tavis Smiley and Cornell West. While both liberal men, they see the blatant racism of the white liberal elitists. Watch the MSNBC panel sometimes and whenever Al Sharpton speaks, you can feel the other whites cringe. And Al Sharpton is firmly planted on the plantation. He doesn’t mind being used if en it pays well.

Brothers Smiley and West have integrity and principes; they see right through the liberal elitist agenda to exploit blacks for votes. They were highly critical of Obama and their show was pulled from the NPR affiliate in Chicago several weeks before the election.

I agree that part of the balkanization of the USA will involve divergence from the grand and glorious melting pot. Cracker Land will be Utah, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas. (look at the latest red/blue map) It just won’t be safe for whites that aren’t in gated communities, like liberals. Democrats MADE the election about race and gender, and brilliantly parsed and targeted the electorate as such, sometimes down to the street in a neighborhood. These are chickens that will come home to roost.

Pity the single urban white female, as she’ll have nowhere safe to live and work. The inner city dwellers and gangs will target her with impunity. Angry and hungry men won’t take too kindly to empowered and independent feminists. The safest place for a woman to be is with a man. She’ll learn this and adapt or die.

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Jaego November 9, 2012 at 16:27

Smiley and West are haters, enemies of Whites. Only Whites are incapable of seeing who hates them. We can hope the System falls or at least falters – only then will Whites have a chance of creating their own Nation. As it is, Montana and Wyoming are being softened up by Political Correctness. Next will come the hordes of enrichers.

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Kevin November 9, 2012 at 16:56

Some actual facts from the exit polls courtesy of the Washington Post via Reason.com:
http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/09/the-politics-of-empathy-and-inclusivity

“Indeed, according the national exit polls, Obama won over groups who have experienced the politics of exclusivity either in the past, present, or both: Obama won the African-American vote by 87 points, the Latino vote by 44 points, the LGBT vote by 54 points, the secular vote by 28, and women by 11 points. He also won over the non-married by 27 points, the young by 23 points, and households making less than $50,000 a year by 22 points. It’s devastatingly sad that demographic groups’ voting was so polarized.”

First off, I find it interesting that the slimmest margin here was with the women, despite one religious whackjob after another spouting off that this is the smallest of the numbers given it’s clear that gender is now the smallest factor for the GOP to be concerned with. However, Republicans shouldn’t be shocked that after accusing young men, minority men and single men who are more often than not in dire financial straits of being lazy and mooching off the government (Medicare and Social Security of course isn’t being greedy?). When you tell men who choose not to go to your church that they are godless and they are the cause of every natural disaster that occurs you are not going to win their hearts and minds. Just how long is the GOP going to be the obedient slave to a shrinking minority of religious zealots? Congratulations you have won the angry-racist-christian vote and lost everything else.

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Madvillainy November 9, 2012 at 17:38

I logged in so this might be a double post. The other one was moderated.

A magazine openly celebrating the racial cleansing of a people. As white people, specifically white men, become a minority the celebrating is going to get louder. Affirmative action, AKA open and grossly unjust discrimination against white men, will remain as strong as ever, and “liberals”, “progressives” and other psychopaths will find new ways to marginalize, ridicule, and hate white men. This isn’t about “diversity” it’s about hatred.

It’s only going to get worse. They’re drooling about the day when whites are officially a minority. The celebratory articles are going to be numerous, and the discrimination will be done with a mocking laugh right in your face.

But hey, don’t say a peep though because that means you’re a WhiteSupremacistNationalistHitler. It amazes me how silent white men are during their own marginalization, or even better, how they openly support it!

Weirdest thing I’ve ever seen.

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David F. November 9, 2012 at 18:18

“There are rather wise contingents of minorities that are fully aware they’re being played by the Elitist Class of uptown white liberals.”
@keyster

You’re right, but they’re irrelevant. Any platform they have (i.e. NPR, African-American Studies dept.) exists solely at the pleasure of the white leftists who pay the bills, and a black or Hispanic who strays off message (and they rarely stray far, else they wouldn’t have their position in the first place) can be quietly ignored.

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Brad November 9, 2012 at 18:52

What the leftists don’t recognize is that this was probably their last election victory ever. On January 1st, this country will go over the fiscal cliff and the economy will fall into a deep depression. The Federal Reserve has a choice between runaway inflation and a depression or hitting the breaks and making the depression worse. They will hit the breaks because the banks don’t want hyperinflation. Obamacare also takes effect on January 1st, further sending the economy into a tailspin.

The leftist-dominated media won’t be able to spin this one. They are through, but not before they implode the American economy and we return to the same level of prosperity our country had in the 1930s. Next time around, the Republicans could run Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann in either order (I picked them as examples because they are well-known to be unelectable) and win in a landslide. The left’s Pyrrhic victory on Tuesday will be the fatal blow that will end the left once and for all.

Thank God they can’t blame this depression on capitalism, like they did with the one their side caused in the 1930s. This year’s election has been called a “bizarro 2004.” Everybody remembers how the Democrats were thought to be done back then and how the Republicans were expected to be the majority for decades. That didn’t happen. But, we are likely 4 years away from the left being destroyed and the birth of the new libertarian consensus (yes, I think the libertarians will take the GOP over in the next few years because the religious right imploded in 2012 and the neo-cons have also imploded already). I don’t think the feminists can slither their way onto the GOP lifeboat and off the Democratic sinking ship because the libertarians aren’t going to tolerate people who advocate discrimination in the name of equality and handouts in the name of independence. When the feminists join the GOP and start ranting and raving about the “pay gap,” the libertarians will laugh at their ignorance of basic economics. They’ll be stuck in a rump Democratic Party that has no hope of winning an election and is dominated by minorities that aren’t sympathetic toward feminism. The left will be dead permanently within 4 years.

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shmiggen November 9, 2012 at 19:29

By 2050, crackers will be 45% of the population, spics around 30%, porch monkeys 15%, chinks and other gooks will be about 8% and the rest will be mutt dogs.

So whites will be here, we aren’t going away.

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Clydesdale November 9, 2012 at 20:08

“Vermont, which is one of the oldest and whitest states in the US, gave Obama a full 67% of it’s votes. Maine, which is the oldest state in the US (and another one of the whitest), gave him 56%.”

“The youngest states – Utah, Alaska, Idaho and Texas – all went solidly Republican. ”

No real mystery here. The yearning for freedom, and the willingness and nerve to test your limits on objective terms, do not pass from generation to generation. Consider how many corporate empires, founded by ambitious talented men, were ultimately destroyed by thier lazy, playboy grandsons.

Three hundred years ago, those with the ambition, drive and courage to leave their homes, sail three thousand miles across a dangerous ocean and make their way in a strange new land, were the ones who settled and created Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine, etc. No surprise those states were once associated with the freedom loving, can-do Yankee spirit that made this nation great.

Today, those same states are largely peopled by their lazy, privileged and unprincipled descendants, whose main accomplishment in life is having picked the right great-great grandfathers.

Meanwhile, those with the same ambition, drive and courage that brought people here in the first place — those who are willing to stand on their own feet rather than those of dead men — have, mostly by necessity, continued moving West to opportunity and a level playing field. No surprise they are largely found in Utah, Alaska, Idaho, Texas and, up until the last forty years or so, even California.

Problem is, what happens when there is no place left for such men to go.

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El Bastardo November 9, 2012 at 20:32

It is really going to suck when they see the younger supporters get more conservative with age as they “get wiser.” Does not matter if they go Republican or stay Democrat. The other thing is if the Mens Movement gets big; that will turn heads.

If not, feminism is still on the way out. Even the densest among us have to bear witness to the destructive wake of broken lives feminists have left behind.

You cannot leave carnage in others lives whilst demanding they subsidize you for it. Eventually when your PC rhetoric no longer supplies the cheap veneer; well there goes your neighborhood holding the “plastic covered roses.”

Alas, you have Detroitification; and the assumption that conservative members are actually not getting more progressive. They have been calling themselves progressive for so long they have finally convinced themselves of their own lie; their dichotomy has now fooled them.

You can’t sleep with the snake; unless your immune to the poison. And yet, who wants to sleep in a bed where a snake bites you? Liberals do.

Good luck with that. Great insight Price.

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Nemo November 9, 2012 at 20:43

Note carefully thst the entire public education establishment has a real purpose that has *nothing* to do with making kids learn useful stuff.

The real purpose of public schools is to take the children of conservatives and turn them into liberals. It’s a matter of life-and-death for liberalism. Liberals don’t reproduce above replacement rate, but conservatives do, so liberals must perforce convert the kids of conservatives into liberals through indoctrination for thirteen years, and often four more years in college. Otherwise, they will simply lose the numbers game and every future election.

Perhaps the most encouraging development in education is the advent of free online courses that allow anyone to gain useful knowledge *without* paying for their brains to be washed by the liberal professoriat.

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Avenger November 9, 2012 at 21:37

Vermont and Maine only have 1/2 m people each and 40% voted Republican so I don’t think this means much. New Hampshire has 1.3 m. All of these States list the Black pop. at 1 %

@ Elmer, that’s sort of weird because I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Black pharmacist. Perhaps an occasional Indian but most are white guys and females(some Indians here) I did notice something unusual, a lot of very nice and good looking young female pharmacists around today. They make about $100k here with perhaps anoher $10k bonus thrown in.

@Idiocy-feminists are stupid. I’m sure that they are all for illegals (and legals) but just because a person moves from one area to another doesn’t mean they change their attitudes about things. Now, there is no country where females are abused, that’s a feminist myth, and females generally have it better than the men in their countries.
American females have always been viewed as spoiled, this is nothing new. American men have always been too easy on them. If we had real equality the bitches would be complaining because they are so used to preferences and being spoiled that they’d think it was some sort of persecution lol All of these immigrants that they seem to love so much will not spoil them like American men and they’re not going to be too happy about that.They don’t really want equality, they want to be spoiled.

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Ian November 9, 2012 at 21:38

It doesn’t matter that white American liberals aren’t having as many babies as white American conservatives. Modern American universities are progressive madrassas that take kids anxious about social status and grades and turn them into jihadis against “white privilege”, etc.

It doesn’t matter that white American conservatives are old. The process of aging (having a career, having children, buying a house, depositing in an IRA) naturally turns many people from liberals to conservatives. As my grandfather used to say – “If you’re not liberal when you’re young, you have no heart. If you’re not conservative when you’re old, you have no brain.”

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"The One" November 9, 2012 at 21:52

“American” wrote: “I have said this before, and will repeat here… whites only community… white gender-feminists despise blacks and minorities…”

I’m not sure why The Spearhead tolerates this anti-white drivel from “American”. Don’t we get enough of that from the mainstream media?

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JFinn November 9, 2012 at 22:45

What the racist and sexist left is forgetting, is that Hispanics are not liberal. The growth of Hispanics will force the Democratic party to move right on social issues. Abortion is illegal in most Mexican state constitutions. Also, far fewer black people will vote in future elections. Not that I care. The misandric right in America incarcerates more non-violent men than anywhere else on the planet and sends young men to endless paranoid wars and armed conflicts. They support the feminists on making the act of a female accusation to be proof of guilt. They support the debt prison for dead broke dads whose family expenses grow upon divorce(2 households) which mostly lie on him. They support the easily avoidable mass-raping of male prisoners. They merely give lip service to torn families. They do nothing about the systemic oppression of fathers, insofar as not awarding them 50% custody by default.

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Pirran November 10, 2012 at 02:58

Great article and chimes with a post I put up recently on Rollo’s “System Failure”. I think it’s the obverse of the “old white male” jibe, but “old white women” (overwhelmingly 2nd gen feminists) who are voting in Obama in the “old” states.

Chablis and cats are a powerful force for spite and misandry.

It would be fascinating to see a breakdown (state by state) of median age by voting pattern in the election. It might put to bed this myth once and for all.

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Brawler November 10, 2012 at 05:38

Go fuck your prejudiced self in hell “the One”. American speaks the truth as he sees it … your mileage may vary.

Obama is there and where he is, because in every department, he is better than you sucker.

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Charles Martel November 10, 2012 at 08:38

OT but what a case study in out of control hypergamy.

Paula Broadwell graduates from West Point, works in military intelligence. Leaves army, marries a radiologist, attends Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, where she meets General David Petraeus. Gives birth to two boys who she promptly abandons, leaving them with her dutiful husband while she runs around the Middle East with Petraeus. Goes for a twofer, riding Petraeus’s dick and his coat tails as she writes his official biography.

Husband writes plaintive letter to NYT, openly debates the merits of tolerating his wife’s cuckoldry as taking one for the nation.

And now, someone outs Petraeus, forcing him to step down as CIA Director, just a week before he was due to testify on the Obama Administration’s mystifying sacrifice of the gay Libyan Ambassador, Chris Stevens.

Quite the story.

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keyster November 10, 2012 at 09:24

By 2050, crackers will be 45% of the population, spics around 30%, porch monkeys 15%, chinks and other gooks will be about 8% and the rest will be mutt dogs.

But when you include the overlap of white liberal young men and single women, conservatism will be in the distinct minority. This election was a harbinger of that playing out. We will be a socialist country, with all manner of govt enforced social and economic justice as retribution against the once privilaged white male. If Liberals think the “minority- majority” will be fair and magnanomous towards whites, they’ve got another thing coming. There will be a come-uppance served on a cold plate. White males will become very contrite and subserviant or they won’t work – – a sort of covert Jim Crow in reverse will ensue.

The GOP needs to drop this pretense of upholding conservative principles and simply vote “present” on all Democrat proposals, give complete power to Democrats with no check and balance – this is what each party strives for, so give it to them and watch the govt and our economic system collapse before 2020.

The very minority Republicans have no power to do anything in California. Watch California go insolvent and the Feds step in with yet more “printed” money to keep the peace, because Cali is “too big to fail”. The keys to the candy store have been given to the Democrats, let them have their fill and see what results from it.

The party of old white men and a small contingent of anti-abortion women, died on November 6. The people have spoken and they want a Scandinavian style government, with untold social services and a weak military. The tax rate on the upper middle class will go to 60% and the rich 75%. Anyone making less than $50K will pay little to nothing. It’s going to happen, and America is fine with it. China will be the #1 economy by 2016, and the Yen will be the new worldwide traded currency not long after. Bush will go down in history as the culprit.

I only hope to be just lucid enough to watch it all unfold from my barricaded living room.

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American November 10, 2012 at 09:30

The one suggests i despise white people with my comments, and i reply thats silly.
U see, the loud mouth Gender, gender-raunch community use the rhetoric “White males do this, and white males do that”, ect, ect, so im just throwing it back into their raunchy faces.
Yes, the new Gender, Gender-raunch community that is pushing for condoms, dildoes and free lube for all school children, are nearly all “white gender-feminist”.

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keyster November 10, 2012 at 09:48

Young single women weigh in on their choice for president:

http://nation.foxnews.com/young-women-vote/2012/11/09/mrctv-election-and-single-young-women

Did you know Justin Beiber and Selena Gomez just broke up?
OMG!

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American November 10, 2012 at 11:03

Conservatives think they can save the family, men, and children at the ballot box, but see gender-raunch did not “Empower” themselves at the ballot box.
Gender-raunch “Empowered” themselves by Inflaming the masses with perverse and or “manufactured statistics”, and will continue “Empowering” themselves until these perversions are ” de-constructed”.

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Gilgamesh November 10, 2012 at 11:48

November 6 2012: Women make biggest case yet for repeal of 19th Amendment

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Hate the Whitey, love his money. November 10, 2012 at 12:22

So liberals hate the old-fashioned, successful, rich, white man. That’s why his vote doesn’t count for much anymore. However after the election they need the liberals need the white man’s money because their nig government has gotten itself into ludicrous amounts of debt. Time to increase taxes on the rich! Or not…considering the House of Representatives is still under Republican control.

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Uncle Elmer November 10, 2012 at 13:09

off-topic but the talk of the hour : Patraeus.

We got fudge packers getting married at the base chapel and being declared “heroes” for it and Patraeus is getting shit-canned for roguring a star fucker?

In a sane society the man who has proved himself worthy of running the intelligence agency would be provided with a concubine and an executive apartment so he concentrate on doing his job.

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Uncle Elmer November 10, 2012 at 13:16

Where are all the millennial feminists?

by “Hannah Weinberger”

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/living/millennials-feminism/index.html

Based on the litany of cliches it’s obviously a computer-generated essay, replete with alleged anecdotes from the programmer’s kosher coffee-shop clique.

One suspects the name “Hannah Weinberger” is fabricated as well.

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Uncle Elmer November 10, 2012 at 13:22

“Dr. Paola Bacchetta, an associate professor of gender and women’s studies”

“Lauren Rikleen, executive-in-residence at Boston College”

“Sharon Rosenblatt, 24, a document remediation officer in Maryland”

“advertising account executive Emily Drost, 26, of Colorado”

“Amelia Vereb, 25, a media relations manager”

“Julie Zeilinger, 19, author of “A Little F’d Up: Why Feminism Is Not A Dirty Word” and founder of feminist youth community The Fbomb”

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Doggo November 10, 2012 at 14:11

@Keyster

Include Oregon and Washington east of the Cascades as part of Cracker Land. Those places are solidly conservative.

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Avenger November 10, 2012 at 17:02

@Elmer
“Based on the litany of cliches it’s obviously a computer-generated essay, replete with alleged anecdotes from the programmer’s kosher coffee-shop clique.”

That should read the, Kosher Koffe Klatch

“But if you ask if they’re feminist, there’s this backing away and an emotional reaction.”

That’s because no real female wants to be associated with a bunch of fugly dykes. And btw, I have never in my life ever known any female to say she’s a femininist or to even mention the subject.

Then she brings in Taylor Swift. http://taylorswift.com/ click Media

These feminist hags are just jealous of her looks and the fact that she’s dating one of the Kennedy boys. You know how wonderful those Kennedy men are. I happened to see Swift with that Kennedy boy whose mother hanged herself eating pizza in Mt Kisco (next door to Bedford) and she looked like a sweet girl.

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Avenger November 10, 2012 at 20:11

@Doggo
Include Oregon and Washington east of the Cascades as part of Cracker Land. Those places are solidly conservative.

It doesn’t look that way from the way they voted. And besides, who wants to be associated with crackers, a term used for dumb lower class Whites.It’s bad enough that the Media misrepresents White Republicans as a bunch of Bible thumping rednecks when in fact there are more Democrats that fit the description without adding to the propaganda. Image is the most important thing, even more important than what you’re saying.If Republicans ever want to get back in power they are going to have to project the image of the sophisticated, urbane, and liberal type (liberal in the old fashioned meaning) and dump these wacky fundamentalist types, anti abortion nuts, and people who don’t accept modern science.

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Robert November 10, 2012 at 23:03

Lay off linking cats with feminists and other mutations. Cats are the ultimate libertarians – and they are superb company. You may need to adjust your expectations if all you’ve had is dogs. A dog sees you as his god, or at least the leader of his pack. A cat sees himself as your peer, and you as his beloved companion. You also get to be a successor-parent, hence their penchant for coursing back and forth at your feet as they do with their mothers, and their expectation that you will protect them, not vice versa.

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Avenger November 11, 2012 at 02:11

“Notice how most white Vermonsters and white Mainiacs preach tolerance and diversity, but live miles from the nearest ghetto”

I don’t think there are any ghettos in these States so they can afford to be smug and tolerant.Let’s see what happens after Detroit collapes and the people move out to let’s say Minn.Do you think those dopey Swedes are going to be so liberal then ? :)

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Avenger November 11, 2012 at 03:04

“Robert” writes, ‘A cat sees himself as your peer, and you as his beloved companion’

Cats are like females in their nature which is why the comparison is made. Cats do not love their owners,they just like being fed and being in a comfortable environment.
You know I was thinking about why I don’t have as harsh a view of females as many guys here. If you go to Fruitloops’ site every one of those nasty dingbat females has a cat and their avatars are all cats. Now, I’ve had cats when I was younger and have nothing against cats but of the hundreds of females I have known I can’t recall any of them having a cat.About 1/2 had dogs, either currently or in the past, and this may be the reason that females who like dogs may actually have a different sort of personality and may be the reason I was attracted to them in the first place. Sure, some may have been annoying or crazy but it was in a predictable normal female way. Those cataholic Boobettes are crazy in a real paranoid psychotic way where they probably carry brass knuckles in their pocket ready to use against any guy who looks at them or dial 911 if some guy who is just coincidently walking in the same direction as them and accuse him of attempted rape or stalking.
People with certain personality traits are attracted to certain things, ideas and even pets etc Many times they’re attracted to something that is the opposite of what they are and would like to be but aren’t.Cats are really a semi-domesticated animal and if you just let it go it would find food somewhere and if it was cold would manage to squeeze into some warm spot or even a warm car engine. The Boobettes are all dependant females who could never survive in a world without afirmative action, benefits and some safety net and the cat represents independence to them (something they will never have) Domestic dogs are very dependant and really won’t survive on their own and also need companionship to be happy. To the Boobette a dog is just a constant reminder of how dependent and insecure she really is. I can see why secure happy females would prefer dogs. They know they can take care of themselves and don’t get upset if they’re in a more submissive role to a man because they have nothing to prove. They can assume the natural female role without feeling inferior if the man takes the lead.
Ok, enough pop psychology lol but I think it’s generally true.

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Tam the Bam November 11, 2012 at 12:09

Elmer: ““Dr. Paola, an associate professor of gender and women’s studies”
“Lauren , executive-in-residence at College”
“Sharon, 24, a document remediation officer”
“advertising account executive Emily, 26”
“Amelia, 25, a media relations manager”
“Julie, 19, author, founder of feminist youth community”

Breathtaking!
With that sublime litany of skills and experience, I’m sure they’re going to really enjoy The Future they’re busily agitating for ..

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brigadon November 11, 2012 at 12:19

At the risk of sounding too much like American, I am still estimating 2023 as the year that liberal ‘victim culture’ will become victims in truth.
Since I doubt there will be a true zombie apocalypse, I am trying to figure out ways to recognise communalists from a distance, so that they don’t get a chance to eat my brain.

Lucky for me, the urban population centers, the strongholds of victim culture, are full of people who have never even read a boy scout handbook. They will have a really tough time surviving on their wits since they have subsumed common sense for a victim narrative… tens of thousands of ‘intellectual elites’, previously comfortable in their feminist-driven narrative, will be shedding crocodile tears at each other instead of doing anything constructive. Make sure you don’t live downwind of an urban center, liberals carry disease.

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Doggo November 11, 2012 at 14:35

@Avenger
I used the term “Cracker Land” in response to Keyster’s comment, who used the term. I certainly didn’t mean it in a pejorative manner, and agree with you that conservatives need to take control of their image instead of letting the left define us. (On a related note, the phrase “non-hispanic whites” drives me crazy. Is that who I am? A white guy who isn’t a Mexican?)

There are a number of sites out there that break down the election results county by county. Romney took every county in Washington and Oregon east of the Cascades. He also won every county in southwestern Oregon west of the Cascades.

As a Conservative who is interested in science and isn’t a Bible-thumper or an anit-abortion nut, I appreciate your feedback.

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zed November 11, 2012 at 17:08

There are a number of sites out there that break down the election results county by county.

There are some good maps here -
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2012/

The ones with the country morphed to show population densities show that the real divide this election is between high density urban centers and the rest of the country – as it has been for the past several.

I overlaid the state map over the county map to show that highly concentrated population centers can swing an entire state while the majority of area votes the other way.
county-state election results

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Avenger November 11, 2012 at 21:46

There’s one thing you failed to mention. Those smaller places with low populations like Alaska get more Electoral votes than they really deserve.Alaska may only have 3 votes but that’s like 1 for every 180k voter, while NY with 31 Electoral votes each vote is for 450k people. So these yokels are getting an unfair numberof electoral votes.Elections these days should be by straight popular vote.
The 2 party system is also corrupt because they collude and make deals with each other. We need an equally powerful 3rd (and 4th) party. Most votesin Congress are by 2/3 rds so a 3rd and even 4th party with equal seats can block anything they don’t like.
I’d like to see 4 parties. The Democrats are really a coalition party made up with people who really have nothing in common who vote with each other just to get into power and then the President etc has to pay all of them off with money and benefits from the tax money. (FDR got elected by this coalition party) We have to fragment it so that a President can be elected by as little as slightly over 1/4 of the popular vote. And since 3/4 of the US is European background they can pretty much hold power and vote their interests forever, even with a lot of defectors. Once you’re in power you an pretty much make laws that are in your interest. Stop all immigration and make laws that imprison any employer who hires them and most will just go home the same way they got in without any expense of deporting them.Very few immigrants should be allowed in the country and they should all have X amount of assets or are so highly skilled that some co.wants them and they are an asset. We don’t need schoolteachers or Aztec lawn boys. And of course they will be no birthright citizenships. If a foreign national is born within the jurisdiction of the US that person gets her birth certificate from the embassy of her home country.
For the past 50 years, and especially the last 20, the US has been doing almost everything wrong and eventually it will reach a critical stage.

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Avenger November 11, 2012 at 22:08

“and agree with you that conservatives need to take control of their image instead of letting the left define us”

I don’t think they should even use any label, you’re simply, the people.

“(On a related note, the phrase “non-hispanic whites” drives me crazy. Is that who I am? A white guy who isn’t a Mexican?)”

“Hispanic” is a fake term made up by the US gov’t. and is meaningless. People regardless of where they are born are of European background(like almost all of those Brazilian models), Black, Indian or mixed to varying degrees like most of Mexico. This term “Hispanic” which “can be a member of any race and speaks Spanish” usually means in most people’s minds someone of mixed or non Caucasian race. The gov’t invented this term so that people could just say “Hispanic” as a generic word without having to mention race. I don’t follow baseball but I recall that at one time they were talking about the lack of Blacks in the sport. There are plenty of Blacks, they just speak Spanish and are from places like the DR etc.

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ahamkara November 12, 2012 at 06:15

Not to mention liberals are making new enemies every day. I used to be a dyed in the wool self-hating liberal until I went through divorce court. That’ll cure you of it real quick.

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Pops November 12, 2012 at 13:01

Notice how most white Vermonsters and white Mainiacs preach tolerance and diversity, but live miles from the nearest ghetto, and you’d have to use brute force to get Vermonsters/Mainiacs to said ghetto. Northern New York liberals are not much better.

Seems rather flawed. In your most conservatives states, most of the conservatism comes from your small towns that have low black populations whereas the the bigger cities that have “ghettos”, such as , in Texas, Austin, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, etc., whites are more liberal. So the notion that being around blacks makes whites more conservative seems pretty unfounded to me and from my experiences, being around blacks often gives whites a better understanding of how exaggerated the negative stereotypes are.

Also, on a separate note, it is interesting how crude racial epithets have become acceptable here. When arguing for the legitimacy of the MRM, it becomes difficult when folks reference MRA sites that accept the use of terms like “porch monkey” and “nig white house” as well as “cracker”. Seems to be all about the rant as opposed to setting the stage for something to actually move foward with effectiveness.

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Avenger November 12, 2012 at 18:41

So the notion that being around blacks makes whites more conservative seems pretty unfounded to me and from my experiences, being around blacks often gives whites a better understanding of how exaggerated the negative stereotypes are

I’m not sure about that. Whites in big cities may come into contact with Blacks more but they pretty much live and associate with other Whites. And many of those “stereotypes”are true and they see them frequently in cities. Blacks who live in small towns where they are a tiny group are usually accepted by Whites and you rarely find any bias against them.

“it is interesting how crude racial epithets have become acceptable here”

Yes I agree. There are a lot of unsophisticated boys on here. Frankly, I’d rather have Obama living next door to me than most of them :)

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Travis November 13, 2012 at 19:52

@Avenger,
“There’s one thing you failed to mention. Those smaller places with low populations like Alaska get more Electoral votes than they really deserve.Alaska may only have 3 votes but that’s like 1 for every 180k voter, while NY with 31 Electoral votes each vote is for 450k people. So these yokels are getting an unfair numberof electoral votes.Elections these days should be by straight popular vote.”

Then we might as well get rid of the Republican party all together. ‘Cause if we do away with the electoral college, EVERYTHING will be decided by a handful of states (New York, California, Florida, Texas). The electoral college was set up so that the populations of Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco and Miami don’t have absolute power to dictate how the rest of the country is run.

Without it, you would end up with a situation like those people mentioned above who live east of the Cascades in Oregon and Washington have. I used to live in a small town in Eastern Oregon. Since 90% of the population resides in the big cities on the eastern side of the state, we had little to no say over how we were governed. This resulted in laws like the one requiring that snow tires to be off by April 1st. Works out great for the people on the coast, since they get very little snow. But the other half of the state (which gets A LOT of snow) ends up spending a month or two driving around on icy, dangerous roads for a couple of months each year without studs.

It’s situations like that the electoral college mitigates somewhat by giving a voice to people who live in less densely populated areas.

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Pops November 14, 2012 at 07:58

I’m not sure about that. Whites in big cities may come into contact with Blacks more but they pretty much live and associate with other Whites.

Yet they are still more liberal than whites in small cities who come into contact with few blacks. Plus, in small cities and towns, whites moreso live and associate predominantly with other whites.

And many of those “stereotypes”are true and they see them frequently in cities.

Stereotypes are neither true nor false. No single stereotype represents every individual in a particular group. Stereotypes tends to have BASIS is truth, yet they also tend to be exaggerated. Contact with particular groups will expose the exaggerated nature of stereotypes.

Blacks who live in small towns where they are a tiny group are usually accepted by Whites and you rarely find any bias against them.

Blacks in Vidor, Texas make up something like 0.5% of the population, yet Klan rallies erupted when the first one moved in. And in each predominantly white neighborhood in a big city, there is at least a tiny group of blacks who live there and are generally accepted without bias.

There is no basis behind the notion that whites who don’t come into contact with blacks are more liberal. Evidence shows that the opposite is true.

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Avenger November 14, 2012 at 17:55

“Stereotypes are neither true nor false. No single stereotype represents every individual”

Are you a female? Because females just can’t seem to understand what “stereotype”or “in general” means.

“There is no basis behind the notion that whites who don’t come into contact with blacks are more liberal. Evidence shows that the opposite is true”

Well,since I’ve lived in cities, suburbs and country I can tell you that the few blacks found in the suburbs and country towns are accepted a lot better than in cities, notwithstanding Vidor, Texas of 50 years ago. And it has nothing to do with being liberal because these places were conservative. Besides, what makes you believe that liberals are more open minded about things like race? Liberals just aren’t that liberal about some things and have more prejudices than anyone else.

As far as Vidor according to City Data, it is a small place with a per capita income lower than Texas. Most of the people are Baptists and the crime rate is higher than the US average and there are 98! registered sex offenders in this tiny place.(there are 0 where I live and no crime)
I can assure you that if a Black man went out to the towns where the Amish live, or even Utah with the Mormons, nothing would happen to him and they’d be as polite as they are to everyone.

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Avenger November 14, 2012 at 18:33

“Then we might as well get rid of the Republican party all together. ‘Cause if we do away with the electoral college, EVERYTHING will be decided by a handful of states (New York, California, Florida, Texas). ”

Not if we had 3-4 major parties of equal strength and we decided on straight popular vote. Besides, who cares if the Republicans go down or lose power another party that is not virtually identical to the democrats willcome up.

“The electoral college was set up so that the populations of Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco and Miami don’t have absolute power to dictate how the rest of the country is run.”

Well,aside from the fact that these places didn’t even exist, the purpose of the Electors was because they didn’t even trust that <10% of people who voted to decide these things.

"It’s situations like that the electoral college mitigates somewhat by giving a voice to people who live in less densely populated areas"

That's why these Podunkian places get 2 US Senators (out of the 100). Alaska, Dakota, Vermont, NH, Maine all with about 1/2 m pop. get 2. So about 3m people have 10% of the US Senate. While Cal. with 40m and NY with 20m get 4.They're getting 1 Senator for about 1/2 m people while the others are getting 1 for 15 m people. Of course it was all a compromise to get the States to join the Union. You talk about people living in some sparsely populated area but why should this minority have an equal say in anything?

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Pops November 15, 2012 at 07:41

Are you a female? Because females just can’t seem to understand what “stereotype”or “in general” means.

Of course I had several additional lines in my explanation of “stereotypes” that you failed to include when quoting me that covered my understanding of it. But your reponse above would not have fit if you would have given the entire quote. Selective quoting is something females do a lot as well as utilizing argumentum ad hominem. Are YOU female?

Plus, generalities cannot be defined as “truth”, thus you presenting stereotypes as “truth” shows that you fail to understand stereotypes and the phrase “in general”.

Well,since I’ve lived in cities, suburbs and country I can tell you that the few blacks found in the suburbs and country towns are accepted a lot better than in cities, notwithstanding Vidor, Texas of 50 years ago.

You mean Vidor , Texas of 18 years ago. And I must correct myself. Vidor is actually 0.07% black.

The city of Chicago is 32% white (non-Hispanic) and 33% black. So there is roughly and equal number of blacks and whites living in the city of Chicago (not in the suburbs). Those 32% of Chicage residents who are white are predominantly liberal/Democrat.

Besides, what makes you believe that liberals are more open minded about things like race?

Where did I make any such statement? Plus, you are defending the argument that being around blacks causes whites to become more conservative and you are clearly implying that becoming conservative is a response to negative experiences with blacks. Thus, it is you making the assertion that liberals are more open minded about things like race.

I can assure you that if a Black man went out to the towns where the Amish live, or even Utah with the Mormons, nothing would happen to him and they’d be as polite as they are to everyone.

Yet you still shoot yourself in the foot. Blacks make up less than 2% of the population of Utah, yet Utah is overwhelmingly conservative. Every Republican candidate in the national election received around 70% of the Utah vote. The argument that you are defending is that being around blacks causes whites to become more conservative. Why then are Utah residents so conservative when they are around very few blacks?

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Avenger November 15, 2012 at 16:28

“Selective quoting is something females do a lot”

I didn’t selective quote anything and got the full meaning of what you were writing and just condensed it.

“Those 32% of Chicage residents who are white are predominantly liberal/Democrat.”

Apparently you didn’t understand what I wrote which was that these liberals just aren’t so liberal when it comes to certain things, like race, and that these people you classify as “conservatives” may very well be less biased. And what makes you believe that there are no conservatives in cities? Even in NYC a 1/3 describe themselves as conservative.

“Plus, you are defending the argument that being around blacks causes whites to become more conservative and you are clearly implying that becoming conservative is a response to negative experiences with blacks. Thus, it is you making the assertion that liberals are more open minded about things like race.:

That’s not what I wrote so you apparently can’t read either.It doesn’t matter what you call yourself whether liberal or conservative. And yes, being around Blacks in cities does cause a very high % of Whites to take a negative view of them while the few in areas of the suburbs or country are usually viewed as individuals.

If Utah is conservative as you claim with only 2% Black then why did 30% of them vote for Obama? Same with 1% Black Vermont, Main, NH.It’s very hard to form a negative view of Blacks when you don’t know any. It would be like asking them what do they think of Togans.

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Zimmy November 16, 2012 at 05:35

Black females account for about 6 1/2 percent of the population. Virtually all their votes went for the president. They are counted as Black voters for Democrats and as female voters for Democrats. There is therefore, duplicity in adding them to the women’s vote margin for Obama. Excluding them from this total means that non Black women voted for Obama by a margin of about 4-5 percent which was predominately led by single female voters.

Hispanic women also voted for the president which means that the white female voters (single and married) split their votes almost equally. I find it interesting that nobody noticed that.

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