Nice Guys and the Perils of Ovulation

by Featured Guest on October 28, 2012

By Lyn87

Normally I don’t pay much attention to – or put much stock into – the latest “study” in the pseudosciences, but this one caught my eye. Apparently there’s a new psychology study that confirms what most of humanity has suspected all along: nice guys need to watch out.

The study was conducted by Martie Haselton, a professor of psychology and communication studies at UCLA, and UCLA doctoral student Christina Larson. Given the feminized climate at UCLA there is not the slightest chance of anti-female bias, so when these two admitted that women’s mating priorities can swing wildly over the course of their ovulation cycle, you know they’re on to something.

The gist of it is that women prefer stable men most of the time for their long term relationships, but when they approach the most fertile part of their cycle they become more dissatisfied with those men and prefer more “sexy” men.

That won’t surprise anyone here, and it is merely the short-term version of the typical carousel-rider’s long-term mating habits: go for “sexy” alpha men when she’s young and fertile, and then settle down with a nice beta provider as her fertility dwindles.

It’s one thing to watch as many young women go feral – now that we’ve removed the stability that patriarchy used to provide to family and society we have created two generations of women who would have been considered unmarriageable as recently as 50 years ago.

It’s another thing when a young blue-pill guy marries one of these creatures today.

Not to worry, though, say our intrepid “experts.” Her preference for “sexy” during her maximum monthly fertility does not translate into wanting to break up her long term relationship. They assure us that, “… “Mr. Stable” need not worry too much as the apparent negative feelings during ovulation don’t seem to affect long-term commitment.”

See? There’s nothing to worry about. She may screw the bass player when she’s ovulating, but she’ll be back when her hormone levels even out. Isn’t that nice?

In other words, if you’re a stable provider-type, the woman who is content to consume your resources is happy to be with you for three weeks out of the month. The flip side is that she is most likely to cheat with a “bad boy” precisely when she is most likely to conceive. No problem, though: she still wants you (or at least your resources) for the long haul to help raise the kid.

It just won’t be your kid.

The researchers give the obligatory nod to the pseudoscience of evo-psych with this quote, “In the reproductive arena, women probably evolved to desire men who could contribute both quality care and good genes,” Haselton said. “The problem is that there is a limited number of potential mates who are high in both. So many women are forced to make trade-offs.”

Trade off? Hardly. The destruction of the normal family structure has created the conditions that give today’s feral young woman everything she wants: the genetic material of the “sexy” guy and the resources of the stable one.

If even the Psychology Department at UCLA tacitly admits that women have a natural propensity to cuckold nice guys, I cannot fathom why it is still considered acceptable to put any man’s name on a birth certificate without DNA confirmation.

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Pugs Fugly October 28, 2012 at 10:36

Which is exactly why I pulled the doctor aside in the hallway about an hour after my daughter was born, (while my ex-wife slept off the process blissfully unaware) and asked for a discreet DNA test. There was no way, even after nine months of expecting, that I was willing to commit to the experience without knowing for certain that this child was mine. I will never understand why every man in the same position doesn’t do this.

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Davani October 28, 2012 at 11:48

If you want more scientific discussion of cuckoldry and its repercussions may I recommend David Buss’ “The Evolution of Desire” and especially Robin Baker’s “Sperm Wars,” which is a masterpiece.

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DCM October 28, 2012 at 11:50

DNA tests should be routine with every birth to determine paternity. Men shouldn’t be required to support someone else’s kids.

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David H. Fucktrelle-Male Feminist Extraordinaire™ October 28, 2012 at 12:27

oh, guise….

don’vhya want hugo schwyzer to provide “better” genetic material?

that way you can raise nacissistic sociopath babies that aren’t even yours….

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Anon October 28, 2012 at 12:56

So really what they’re saying is that guys should be grateful when their wives/girlfriends get grumpy before their period. It just means you’re not “nice” enough, which is to say you’re not a sucker.

A good rule of thumb, though, is if your lady starts treating you like crap at ANY time of the month, it’s time to move on. If men want a change, it’s time to raise our standards and start demanding better. If you’re not an MGTOW, then at the very least don’t cavort with women who are self-centered and feel like they haven’t maximized their malignant hypergamy. All you’re doing is sending a signal to women as a whole that it’s okay to be that way.

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anti Idiocy October 28, 2012 at 13:06

No problem, though: she still wants you (or at least your resources) for the long haul to help raise the kid.

It just won’t be your kid.

I remember a study years ago that showed (surprise, surprise) that men are concerned when their wives cheat because they don’t all want to slave their lives away raising kids who aren’t their children. Women are concerned when their husbands cheat because they’re afraid the husbands will leave them. The above conclusion by the researchers shows the biased fantasy that women and men are identical. If a woman’s concern is not whether or not the child is hers (she, of course, knows with certainty), but rather that the husband may leave her, then the loss of the spouse is the only concern that men should have (never mind how many men die working jobs to support children who aren’t theirs). Any man, who is concerned about anything other than his wife leaving him, is clearly a defective woman. He needs to have his hegemonic masculinities deconstructed.

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keyster October 28, 2012 at 13:10

The ancient druids and pagans were facinated with nature’s cycles. They coorolated a woman’s period or “flow” with the shifting tides of the moon. The monthly cycle and motherhood were devine revelations and women were worshipped for this power. Now they just want to be men.

Before Feminism it was OK to talk about these things open and honestly. They censored any discussion of it because it was not to their advantage in the fight for gender egalitarianism.

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Ed October 28, 2012 at 13:47

And, in a related story…

“The woman admitted having out-of-marriage sex,” said an Islamist official who talked to the crowd after the stoning was completed.
http://www.africareview.com/News/Al+Shabaab+order+woman+stoned+to+death+for+sex+offence/-/979180/1598708/-/p9bix4/-/index.html

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Anonymous Reader October 28, 2012 at 14:03

This is indeed not news to me, nor should it be to any man wearing “the glasses”, but it is good to see it acknowledged in a mainstream source.

This should end once and for all the argument over whether married men need to learn to Game their women or not. Game is not a proper basis for an LTR or marriage, to be sure, but in order to avoid being cuckolded, a man needs to be able to deal with the predictable mood swings over the monthly cycle.

There is another issue that Lyn87 did not get to. Oral contraceptives, because they mimic pregnancy in order to control ovulation, of necessity mess around with women’s hormones. It appears that women on the pill want more reassurance, more beta, just as pregnant women do. All well and good, but if a woman is on the pill & thus leaning Beta prior to a marriage, then she goes off of oral contraceptives after marriage in the desire to get pregnant, her attraction vector may well shift. Suddenly Steady Eddy does not look so good anymore, and she may become restless – where’s that alpha she rode a few years back?

Keyster:
Before Feminism it was OK to talk about these things open and honestly. They censored any discussion of it because it was not to their advantage in the fight for gender egalitarianism.

Exactly, any piece of reality that contradicts the notion that men-and-women-are-just-the-same-except-women-can-have-babies must be first ignored, then scoffed at, and then later on attacked full on by feminists. It is a fundamental premise that a whole lot of social custom and law rests upon – kick that out and feminism crashes to the ground.

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gilgamesh October 28, 2012 at 14:19

But of course if you refuse to put your life on hold so you can take the slow trip from the altar to jail/the streets, you just hate women and need to grow up!

Fuck it, I really do hate women now.

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Coastal October 28, 2012 at 14:21

C’mon, admit it: you’re all as fascinated as I am to hear what deranged rationalisation feminists are going to use to explain how the research is wrong, even if it’s true it doesn’t matter, and it’s all men’s fault anyway.

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Szebran October 28, 2012 at 15:16

feminist pig researchers
“The problem is that there is a limited number of potential mates who are high in both. So many women are forced to make trade-offs.”
How bout the limited number of women who are high in both qualities. How bout the many men who are forced to make tradeoffs.
Whole study is just another reason not to commit. Move from one woman to another.

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dragnet October 28, 2012 at 15:53

A bit off-topic…

Marine wives busted running a brothel while husbands are in Iraq:

http://www.businessinsider.com/marriage-is-probably-the-worst-thing-a-young-marine-can-do-2012-10

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Avenger October 28, 2012 at 16:30

I cannot fathom why it is still considered acceptable to put any man’s name on a birth certificate without DNA confirmation

I can assure you that in the future it won’t be.Once testing becomes cheap and fast a man could just take a swab from the kid and compare it to his sample in a small handheld device that does all of the analysis in a few mintues.

And btw, I can’t see how a female putting some man’s name on a birth certificate would mean anything. If she put down John Smith there may be a million of them. How do you know which one she meant without further ID?

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WeeBoy October 28, 2012 at 18:33

And of course women are ENTIRELY slaves to their hormones.

Also women ovulate about two weeks before their periods. JSYK.

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universe October 28, 2012 at 19:03

“The researchers give the obligatory nod to the pseudoscience of evo-psych with this quote, “In the reproductive arena, women probably evolved to desire men who could contribute both quality care and good genes,” Haselton said. “The problem is that there is a limited number of potential mates who are high in both. So many women are forced to make trade-offs.”
– But if women risk cheating on their stable spouses during their fertile peak this would indicate a moral defect – regular on-the-clock monthly dissatisfaction possibly leading to cuckoldry, adultery, bastard birthing, plus cover-up of concurrent and long-term deceits. This trait gets passed on to the next generation(s)? Just wonderful.

And, let’s not forget – the ability of thrice the cheating spouse(s) and the female authors of the UCLA survey speaking for females past to think of themselves as having much more of a higher worth than already possessing.
Exhibiting a reasonable high level of self-esteem is one thing but an over-abundance leading to an automatic default mode into narcissism is a defect. Obstinate self interested promotion over what is real, true, provable, fair and logical can inspire a lot of unhappiness and hardship upon others. Wars are sometimes launched over such premise. And, I would add and suspect, contributing a lot toward co-habitating strife upon either sex of a couple.
The researchers’ automatic default into evo-psych assumptions of higher quality female attributes/genes is telling. Chicks are not the refined superior of humanity otherwise they wouldn’t need the economy and society destroying free hand-outs to function in either.

“Trade-offs”. Insecure vulnerability is more an apt description. Security and invulnerability should come at a cost to both parties. Otherwise unequitable situations arise. Then the most insecure and vulnerable can become vaulted beyond what is reasonable.

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will October 28, 2012 at 19:46

Jesse lee peterson debates Hugo Schwyzer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In6u08vUAnk&feature=relmfu

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Hf October 28, 2012 at 20:33

These studies, tho they don’t happen often (or at least don’t come into light often), always have the same results.

We never, never see a similar study that shows nice guys finish first.

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nugganu October 29, 2012 at 04:49

“Please cuckold me” – manboobz

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migu October 29, 2012 at 04:52

Just don’t marry em. Get a piece when you want a piece and move on. If you must have a family go join Fred Reed in Mexico.

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Elusive Wapiti October 29, 2012 at 05:20

” The destruction of the normal family structure has created the conditions that give today’s feral young woman everything she wants: the genetic material of the “sexy” guy and the resources of the stable one.”

Thus we can see just how destabilizing the welfare state is to civilization. When the safe stable guy is the government, strong, muscular, flush with resources to shower upon you, little wonder then that the average fella has difficulty competing. Thus “game” to enable him to fake sexiness during the week of her wanton availability.

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Zorro October 29, 2012 at 05:26

I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss evo-psych as a pseudoscience. It has been demonstrated that our genetic composition can strongly influence where we stand on the left/right spectrum in politics, and people like David M. Buss and researchers at Cambridge University have made very impressive arguments for the validity of E-P. For lack of specific evidence, E-P “stands to reason.”

“I cannot fathom why it is still considered acceptable to put any man’s name on a birth certificate without DNA confirmation.”

Neither can I. Frankly, if DNA analysis can be used to convict the accused, exonerate the accused or overturn a prior conviction, why on Earth is it not a mandatory procedure for all infants before the birth certificate is printed? If the identity of the father is considered necessary for that legal document, then the veracity of that data field should be given the authenticity it warrants. If a man is held legally responsible for the financial support of the children he sires (which he should be), then his identity should be confirmed to the highest degree available (which it isn’t).

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dannyfrom504 October 29, 2012 at 05:30

i need to copy and print this out to hand out to women who nag me about my “refusing to marry”.

great post, yet……nothing new to read here. lol.

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universe October 29, 2012 at 07:36

nothing new to read here.
– Whattayagot?

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Anon October 29, 2012 at 07:37

“Oral contraceptives, because they mimic pregnancy in order to control ovulation, of necessity mess around with women’s hormones. It appears that women on the pill want more reassurance, more beta, just as pregnant women do. All well and good, but if a woman is on the pill & thus leaning Beta prior to a marriage, then she goes off of oral contraceptives after marriage in the desire to get pregnant, her attraction vector may well shift. Suddenly Steady Eddy does not look so good anymore…”
-Anonymous Reader

This is an incredibly important point. Most women use the pills called “birth control” to control their periods, not to limit their fertility. And practically all women are on them until they enter menopause.

I’ve always assumed that women use hormone pills to make themselves more like men, in the sense that their mood swings are less dramatic. Then they use Prozac to cut their anxiety when they have to drop their 6 week-old babies off at a strip mall daycare center with strangers.

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Anon October 29, 2012 at 07:52

“I cannot fathom why it is still considered acceptable to put any man’s name on a birth certificate without DNA confirmation.”

It would be interesting to consider the social implications of a law that required this. Would it affect the behavior of enough women? Now that 50% of all births are outside marriage.

I keep thinking of that 30 year-old skank interviewed on NPR who had three children with three different men (two of whom are currently in prison). She stated her belief that society was OBLIGATED to “support her choices”. In other words, welfare for life plus child support.

I don’t think a law for DNA analysis would stop a woman like that.

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zed October 29, 2012 at 09:46

“I cannot fathom why it is still considered acceptable to put any man’s name on a birth certificate without DNA confirmation.”

Neither can I. Frankly, if DNA analysis can be used to convict the accused, exonerate the accused or overturn a prior conviction, why on Earth is it not a mandatory procedure for all infants before the birth certificate is printed?

Two words – “White Knights.”

After watching this slow motion train wreck for the past 40 years, and scratching my head over the stupid decisions people make, I have come to the conclusion that most men believe that they exist to enforce the female imperative on other men.

It used to be a well known phenomenon among medical professionals that the bastardy rate was a fairly constant 10%. The medical community conspired to keep this information from the cuckolds. It was (for the times) a practice that supported social stability – as was Lord Blackstone’s pronouncement that all children born to a married woman had her husband as the “natural father” which bound him to their support.

The White Knights do not care who is the actual father of the child, as long as some man is on the hook for its care, and the needs of the women are taken care of. Not only do they NOT support DNA testing at birth, but in many places it is illegal for a man to test a child’s DNA without the mother’s permission.

And, of course, if the child’s sire is not the man forced to fund the mother’s gravy train, then she obviously will not give permission for that fact to be exposed.

Remember all the years of Maury? – “You are NOT the father!!”

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Doc October 29, 2012 at 09:53

Since I perform on stage as a hobby, I regularly meet women who are with a group of their “girl-friends” away from hubby for a weekend, and more than a few times they have “gone off the Pill” since they are trying to get pregnant. A lot of them tell me this – I guess because it tends to make me have sex with her several times. (The reptilian brain doing its thing to insure survival of the species.) It seems that if they haven’t started baking one, in short order with hubby they start looking for a stand-in who can get the job done – just in case…

A lot of women seem to find it acceptable as long as they don’t know you socially. From my perspective that is just fine, since you were just a way to pass that Friday or Saturday night anyway. Let some sucker deal with the consequences.. This is why I tell every guy I know – get a DNA test before you put your name on a birth-certificate. I don’t know how many kids I may have out there. It doesn’t matter to me… And if the guy is too dumb to check – he deserves it…

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van Rooinek October 29, 2012 at 10:20
marco c October 29, 2012 at 11:49

Hi,

I would like to make a comment about PAN (Peter Andrew) since he is banned from here and
refuses to comment here himself.

I am a german speaking man. I have known PAN for a long time now. Unlike
the rest of you I bothered to talk to him and listen to him.

For my trouble he has shared with me the documents he is working on with
the German government because I can read the German. I can confirm I know
exactly what he is up to in dealing with the German government. I can
confirm I have sighted scans of court documents and correspondence to
numerous people in the German government and legal system.

What I am reading is remarkable. I have never seen anything like it in my
life. I have not even heard anyone talk about anything like this in my
life. I would have thought that the German government would have grabbed
PAN and deported him when he presented himself to the court on April
18^th. He reports there were four armed police officers in the court room.
They could quite easily have arrested him and deported him. But here it
is, late October, and they have not so much as called him. His number is
on his web site. I have seen the further request to hold another meeting
with him. I have seen his reply to Angela Merkel and others declining any
further meetings until such time as an accusation of a crime is presented
to him under oath. He even gives them the fax number to present it on.

Now I do not know about you men. But in Germany no man would even THINK of
sending the sort of correspondence I have read. He challenges Angela
Merkel or any designated staff to present an accusation of a crime under
oath. He challenges them to present proof that their legislation, that he
can not even read because it is in German, applies to him. It is clear
that no one in the German government is willing to present such an
accusation under oath. So he is pointing out that in the absence of any
accusation any attempt to arrest him is an act of war.

As a german speaker I can tell you when you tell a German if he does
something it will be considered an act of war he takes that comment very
seriously. PAN has asked the highest levels of the German government to
produce their paperwork. I note that yesterday he sent an open letter to
620 of the members of parliament of the UK asking something similar.

My point is this. I do not see anyone else in the MRA/MRM area sending
notices to Chancellorins, Prime Ministers, Presidents and entire
parliaments, in their own name, openly and publicly, and denouncing them
as criminals. I don’t see anyone else taking on the governments in such an
open manner. If you do? Name him.

All the predictions by men here that PAN would be arrested and thrown in
jail for what he was doing have turned out to be false. He has fought this
fight, pretty much alone, for five years. Yet he is free. He has never
been arrested. He has not even been questioned. He was robbed. But so have
many men here.

Here are my questions.
How long must PAN fight alone before other men are convinced that he is
sincere and genuine?
It has been five years. Must he fight 6 years? 8 years? 10 Years?
How long is long enough before other men say “PAN has been at it X years
now. Maybe he is right? Maybe I should help? Maybe I should listen?”

I know what he has told us seems too fantastic to be true. But if he is so
wrong as you men all say why has he not been arrested? It is not like he
is hiding.

I have read much of what he has to say. I can not find anything wrong. I
can not spot any mistakes. How long are we to ignore him?

I also went to his company web site. I am in IT too. I have looked at his
testimonials. I have looked over the work he does. He really has done work
for some very large companies. He really is one of the top people in the
world in his business. He really has worked all over the world. All those
things that people here said were simply not possible because no one does
that. He has done what he said he has done and the evidence is public.

Here is a question for you men. What if PAN is genuine? What if he really
is a very intelligent man who studied the situation we are in very hard
and created a remedy?

How else can we explain the fact that his video from inside a court, which
we all “KNOW” is illegal, has been on you tube for two years? If that
video was “illegal” it would have been trivial for the Australian
government to remove it. Why is it still there?

I think PAN is genuine. If he is? What are we to say to him that the very
men he sacrificed so much to help banished him and disbelieved him? We
called him a liar. What if he was not?

I think we should at least ask the questions. What evidence is there that
PAN is not exactly who he says he is? What evidence is there that he is
not genuine?

I have not found any. Have you? All I have found is people making opposing
statements. But those people making those statements are not talking to
Prime Ministers and Presidents and getting replies from them.

Is what PAN has put in to the public not to even be talked about?

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W.F. Price October 29, 2012 at 12:22

Hi,

I would like to make a comment about PAN (Peter Andrew) since he is banned from here and
refuses to comment here himself.

I am a german speaking man. I have known PAN for a long time now. Unlike
the rest of you I bothered to talk to him and listen to him.

Marco, I always listened to Peter. The only reason he doesn’t post here is that I started to have his family members and other personal acquaintances start contacting me causing me trouble over one thing or another. Because I don’t think it helps my own efforts to spend time dealing with these people (it’s very distracting), I simply put an end to the comments.

Otherwise, I have no problem with Peter, and he knows that. I hope he makes theft-by-family-law much more of a pain in the ass for those engaged in it in Australia, Ireland and Germany.

As for what he does, I don’t think anyone here has questioned it. He’s a tech worker like many of my family and friends — doesn’t seem all that outlandish to me. I believe Peter. However, neither I nor this site are suited for the particular battle he’s fighting. Staying out of it is a sound strategic choice.

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Justinian October 29, 2012 at 13:41

@Doc

I would hope that some enraged cuckold finds out and get his revenge on you with some “private justice.”

However, Its more likely that you are an omega virgin bragging about his fantasy life and living vicarious through made-up posts on internet blogs.

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brigadon October 29, 2012 at 15:02

Justinian- You seem to think that ‘fighting the good fight’ will make things better. That would be sound and logical and rational.
The problem is that the battle we are fighting is NOT sound and rational and Logical. If it were even marginally rational or responded to logic, it would not exist. This is a battle of ‘feelings’ and of ‘emotion’ and does not respond to reason.
Sure, Doc is a rat bastard. 50 years ago any one of us would have been proud to take a poke at him. Now, however, he is on our side, by doing the only thing it is possible to do to fight this war… Make things worse.

We are in a war of recognition. Men do NOT recognize what is going on in an emotional battle until they are, themselves, personally involved and have personally felt the pain. It is one of the ironies of this battle… with women, what happened to one woman ‘happens to all women’. With Men, what happens to one man ‘could never happen to me’.

I HOPE those cuckolds find out that their whore wives put one over on them, and that the social system supports ‘her choices’. These are the men that are going to be damaged enough to finally think it cannot happen to them, to step outside of the happy little self-delusion box and finally use their own brains to find out the way they have been lied to.

Keep going doc!

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Anonymous October 29, 2012 at 15:11

A lot of women seem to find it acceptable as long as they don’t know you socially. From my perspective that is just fine, since you were just a way to pass that Friday or Saturday night anyway. Let some sucker deal with the consequences.. This is why I tell every guy I know – get a DNA test before you put your name on a birth-certificate. I don’t know how many kids I may have out there. It doesn’t matter to me… And if the guy is too dumb to check – he deserves it…

Some brother you are.

“What God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.”

I get the success of the girls who cheat while not being open about their current relationship status, but how she could get a guy who complains about slutty women on a blog forum is beyond me while being totally open that she has a husband. I’d think you’d not want to participate in the cuckholding of another man. Or do you just not care about the other men here and are perfectly happy having them take responsibilty for your ill-begotten bastards?

As to the paternity testing – what the hell are you doing married to her if you can’t trust her? I’d think that if you want to get a paternity test, you better have divorce papers already filed.

It’s like my stupid ass boss telling me to file for pre-nuptial agreements before we say “I Do.” If I thought there was a chance we’d get divorced, I wouldn’t be marrying him in the first place.

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Andrew S. October 29, 2012 at 17:24

I have never really had any women in America, at least not any I would brag about all that interested in my “genetic material.” But I have noticed outside of North America the caliber of women who are interested in me, and not just for “the green card” as your standard issue feminist would say, does go up quite a bit. I’m sure these studies are pretty valid, but I doubt for most of the world women are only interested in breeding with 8′s and above during ovulation.

I wouldn’t say every guy who is a 5 in the looks department is going to have women lusting after him everywhere he goes outside feminist la la lands, but when average looking women and slightly above average looking girls only get hot and bothered during that time of the month for super studs, I think it says more about the culture than it does science.

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Andrew S. October 29, 2012 at 17:35

I can say for a fact that I would have no trouble getting attractive women outside most of your feminist shit-holes interested in starting a family with me. While in the United States I find it hard to get any interest from average looking women.

I would be interested to see what role different cultures play in the type of men women are attracted to during ovulation. Obviously the men are going to be masculine no matter where the study is doen, but I’m guessing for America and most other feminist countries the only men who turn women on during ovulation are hyper-masculine, or very good looking. And this is probably true for your most average looking women. I think women’s hypergamous nature gets quite a push in feminist countries I guess is what I’m trying to say.

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Danger October 29, 2012 at 18:24

We already support other men’s kids.

Through the taxes we pay.

All of those programs foooor the chiiiiiiildrrennnnn.

If you go against such programs, then you hate babies. Otherwise, pull out those wallets and pay those taxes. There are a lot of unwed mothers who need help raisint their baby thugs. And guess who is paying the bill?

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Pugs Fugly October 29, 2012 at 20:23

@Anonymous

It’s simple. No woman, in the history of ever (the occasional “switched at birth” stories aside) has had to wonder whether the child she’s raising is their own. Only men have this issue. Trust has nothing to do it. Trust is an innately human concept. It’s an idea which, like faith, has to be taught. It doesn’t come very naturally to anyone. Especially in a culture where there are seemingly infinite examples that show moving forward on “trust” to be a very bad move.

The kind of woman who would cuckhold the man she’s with depends on exactly that: his trust that she’d never cheat, or never lie to him about having cheated. We live in an age where people buy homes, vehicles, and investment strategies numbering in the hundreds of thousands (if they’re smart) only after doing their research and ensuring that their money won’t be wasted on something fraudulent. Yet we’re somehow expected to commit to a lifetime of child-rearing based on “trust.”

“If I thought there was a chance we’d get divorced, I wouldn’t be marrying him in the first place.” Well, good luck with that.

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fschmidt October 29, 2012 at 23:43

This is why the Torah prohibits sex in marriage from the beginning of menstruation until 7 days after menstruation finishes. Normally the wife strongly desires sex with the husband between the end of menstruation until the beginning of ovulation. By denying that sex to the wife during this time, the desire remains until ovulation and so prevents adultery. This is one way that Orthodox Jews maintain stable marriages and prevent adultery.

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brigadon October 30, 2012 at 05:55

@anon-

Take the red pill, please. The concept that ‘romance is trust’ when getting married is modern in origin, and another of those wonderful lies that feminism helped to embrace.

‘marriage contracts’ were mandatory during the ‘age of romance’. The Idea that such shows a lack of romantic feelings is nothing more than pure propaganda to enable wealth distribution. Even modern marriage law is nothing more than a ‘standard contract’, and by getting married without any form of contract or prenuptial agreement is nothing more than deciding to ignore the implied contract and accept the default one… which is not even slightly romantic. “Marriage License” means that you literally are assigning her half of your wordly goods from now until eternity no matter what she does… Not trustful.

If you want to be romantic, then jump over a broom with her or never bother getting married. If you honestly believe that spending thousands of dollars on a ‘wedding’ has even a hint of romance to it, you should probably take a good, long look at your notions of romance and trust.

Paternity testing is not about trust anymore. It’s about common sense. Marriage is a contract, and you are extremely unlikely to be one of the ‘lucky one percent’ that never gets divorced or cheated on.

You can either pay for a paternity test now, or pay a lot more later for a lawyer. Or you can be laughed at as the retarded tool that doesn’t mind his own genetics getting taken out of the gene pool. It’s okay, the ones left will be smarter.

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American October 30, 2012 at 07:09

Again, American men (and young men) need to “Watch out” only because of the “perversions and manufactured statistics” American law enforcement have been engaged in for the last few decades.
American law enforcement have been using “protocol perversions and semantics games”, and re-defining what the meaning of is, is, in the areas of false rape accusations, and false domestic violence accusations that are now serving to Inflame the public against the innocent.
These perversions (manufactured statistics) that are coming from American law enforcement amount to “prejudicing the jury of ones peers”, and are unconstitutional.
Major societal / social perversions are under way, that are rooted in the perversions that are being force fed to Americans by their now perverse law enforcement juggernaut.

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American October 30, 2012 at 07:16

The perversions that American law enforcement are currently engaged in have the psychological effect of “Breaking” the male into servitude, so he never lifts his head up while he’s working.
The perverse “construction” some call it the femi-nazi construction that seeks to completely subjugate men rests on the assumption that man will continue to seek relations with the women (which is the trigger for his own “Breaking” or second, or 3rd class citizenship)

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American October 30, 2012 at 07:23

American Gender-feminist groups have perversely asked American law enforcement to hide the true amount of false rape accusations from the public, and American law enforcement has perversely obeyed.
If the American public knew the true percentages of false rape accusations, then Gender-raunch feminists would lose their “Rape hysteria” super-power. The Klu-Klux-Klan “empowered” themselves by rape hysteria, and the white middle class gender-raunch is doing the same.

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john thames October 30, 2012 at 09:20

“La donna E mobile; qual piuma al vento” (“Woman is a feather, blowing in the wind”).

I’m always amused by the legal fiction that the husband is presumed to be the father. Let’s apply the same logic to a wife being presumed to be the mother. Here is what happens. A male house husband screws his neighbors wife and gets her pregnant. The neighbors wife keeps the child and demands child support from her lover’s wife. The wife screams that it isn’t her child. The courts rule that, as the wife, she is legally presumed to be the mother of the husbands’s child. The mere fact that she is not the mother is legally irrelevant. Therefore, she gets to pay child support for eighteen years to pay for her husband’s adultery.

That is exactly the logic women apply to men. They would never buy it in reverse.

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joeb October 30, 2012 at 09:23

The issue is getting a DNA testing is not as easy as one might think , The cost is outrageous not covered by planed parenthood programs that focus on Mammograms and abortion .
Males are totally left out of the programs while Government agencies rape the funds . I asked for DNA test the pressure was enormous to simply sing the birth certificate .
A hostile additude was assumed by all the health care personal . One would think I asked for something crazy . Protecting the realm is all that was importent to them .
Getting DNA should be a part of planed parethood . But Uncle sam would become the daddy after the lie was exposed so, Why would HHS want to be honest . Its so much better for them to have a slave .

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joeb October 30, 2012 at 09:54

In general, paternity testing is not covered by health insurance or Medicaid because it is not a medically necessary procedure.
But, social service ( the SS)workers are paid billions/trillions and are not medically necessary .
Plus “in your face aggression and outing your concerns will be issue’s .Immediately your family will come under attack . This is a no lose senario for the deconstruction of the American family supporters .

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Lyn87 October 30, 2012 at 14:10

Anonymous October 29, 2012 at 15:11

It’s like my stupid ass boss telling me to file for pre-nuptial agreements before we say “I Do.” If I thought there was a chance we’d get divorced, I wouldn’t be marrying him in the first place.

That is because you, as a woman, face virtually no risk in divorce.

Statistically speaking:

If your marriage ends, you will probably be the one to end it.

If there are children, you will probably get custody, and the ability to withhold visitation without serious consequences.

Meanwhile while your husband will certainly be required to pay you child support (which you are under no obligation to spend on the children) under threat of prison – and regardless of his ability to pay, and even if DNA testing proves that the children are the result of your adultery.

If you own a home, you will continue to live in it and he will be ejected by force if he does not go willingly.

If you accuse him of domestic violence you will be believed – even in the total absence of corroborating evidence. If he accuses you – even with corroborating evidence – and you deny it, you will probably be believed. Even if you admit it you can claim to have been provoked – and you will probably be believed.

If he makes more money than you he will be required to support you in the lifestyle to which you have become accustomed. You will have exactly ZERO reciprocal obligations, and his ability to continue the lifestyle to which he has become accustomed will not be considered. If the situation is reversed you will not be required to pay him – or only a small amount for a short time.

Legally speaking, marriage for a woman is a warm kiddie pool. For a man it is a large tank with a 50% chance of containing a hungry hammerhead shark. Think of a pre-nup as a shark cage.

Of course YOU don’t need it – you already know that there are no sharks in your pool.

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Charles Martel October 30, 2012 at 18:47

You knocked that one out of the park, Lyn87.

And how about the “well, duh” tone of her comment? Just another brain-dead biotch with ZERO ability to think herself into her future husband’s shoes. A future husband who she describes as “my stupid ass boss.” It usually takes five or six years for wifey to reach that level of contempt and she’s there before she’s walked down the aisle.

Lucky guy.

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Godwin Onajobi November 2, 2012 at 17:44

For me, this is a revelation that will help men to increase their fertility awareness about women. Many times, these seemingly little things make hefty difference to those who can make use of the such finding to the best of their advantage.

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beta eater July 31, 2013 at 08:39

“Waaa waaaa waaa…” All these Wimpy dudes always crying because they want a woman who never wants any other cock but thier puny one. Get over it! Accept where you are in the pecking order and be happy you have a woman that is willing to even touch you! I have my beta husband and I will fuck who I want on the side. I have my cake and am eating it too…. Are you mad? Want a bite don’t you?

God, men are so pathetic. The hot ones are good only for a good cock-fuck and the betas are only good for pair bonding security.

Dont be mad at us women, be mad at God or nature. It’s not out fault we are built this way. And its not mens fault that they all can’t be perfect balances of beta/alpha. Its a dog eat dog world and survival of the fittest. I am not the fittest, so I have to do what I gotta do.

Stop wining boys, we are going to fuck!

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Anonymous October 6, 2013 at 21:12

Everyone is missing one major thing here: We control our emotions, not the other way around.

If you’re tempted to spread for another guy, stop talking to him. If a person wants to be faithful they will, even I it’s hard. You pour your energy into loving the person you’re with and any sexual attraction that was lost will come back.
Life is about choosing to love.

- A faithful wife.

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