Honey Boo Boo Child and Incentives

by W.F. Price on October 5, 2012

I became aware of an unfortunate pop phenomenon known as “Honey Boo Boo Child” while clicking through channels not too long ago, and at first simply wrote it off as another example of the depravity that characterizes entertainment today. For those who don’t know, Honey Boo Boo is a little girl named Alana who participates in beauty pageants. She hails from a working-class Southern white family (AKA redneck), is overweight even at the age of six, and also happens to have quite a talent for getting attention. Her mother, known as “Mamma June,” is an obese woman in her 30s who has four children by four different men.

Although it’s tempting to write the mother off as another example of the typical Jerry Springer type trailer trash and simply laugh at the dumb rednecks, there’s more going on in that family than meets the eye. I looked at a few of the videos of their home life, and Mamma June, AKA “the Coupon Queen” actually manages to stock her home fairly well. In fact, the house is loaded to the gills with essentials such as detergent and toilet paper that she’s picked up on the cheap. So well-stocked that I suspect June is a compulsive hoarder, and not exactly a psychologically normal individual.

A lot of these compulsive types have above average intelligence, and June looks like one of them (she can do math in her head pretty damn well for a high school dropout). She may be trashy, but she isn’t dumb, and she has a good eye for material opportunity. Hence the praise she’s garnered for managing to wrest child support from four different men, which adds up to a lot more than she’d get if she’d had all four with the same man (in my state, twice as much). Even if all men are low earners, she could still pull down about $1,200-1,500 month, which is more than enough to house, feed and clothe her kids and herself in rural Georgia.

From “Mother Nature Network:”

No doubt, the Thompson-Shannon family lives in rural poverty in a tiny house right next to the train tracks. But they’re also industrious, hard-working folks — or at least Alana’s father, Mike “Sugar Bear” Thompson is — and 32-year-old family matriarch “Mamma June” Shannon, a recent grandmother and a high school dropout with a wicked sense of humor, exhibits a keen business sense. She’s also skilled at wrangling up child support checks from each of her four children’s fathers…

But perhaps the biggest opportunity was the beauty pageants she’s enrolled her daughter Alana in. She certainly knows that Alana is not going to grow up to be Miss Georgia (the girl is too big boned), but she has such a talent for amusing people and acting outrageous that people can’t get enough of her. She’s a very entertaining girl, although in a very inappropriate manner. However, inappropriate has become the norm in entertainment, so June saw an opportunity and pounced on it.

In order to maximize her daughter’s antics on stage, June jacks her up with a sugary, caffeine packed concoction of mountain dew and red bull before acts. Given that the girl is already overweight, this is beyond questionable, but apparently it works, and June defends it, saying “at least I’m not giving her alcohol.”

A lot of people in the middle class and above probably look at this and say “what a train wreck! How could a mother do this?”

Well, let’s look at the facts. June is obese, far from wealthy and stuck in a dead-end life. She did the best with the opportunities provided to her, and in contemporary America that meant having children with multiple men to maximize child support. Next, she took advantage of trash culture and voyeurism to capitalize on her daughter. Now she has her own reality show and is being paid thousands of dollars per episode, and richer than she’s ever been.

Each “bad choice” she made was incentivized. Every time she did something we look down on, she was rewarded for it. If she had simply buckled down and lived a modest, decent life, she’d be in a pretty lousy place today. The idea that simply doing what we’re “supposed to do,” presented to us in that enormous fake of a movie Forrest Gump, will pay off, is just plain wrong for a growing number of Americans.

We have engineered a society that punishes the common people for making socially responsible choices. Men who “do the right thing” and marry young end up divorced, childless, impoverished and indebted. Women who stay with their man have to work harder for less. People who bring their children up with the values of hard work and honesty find that there aren’t any jobs for their kids, or that the jobs that do exist pay Latin American wages. This is true for most Americans under the age of 40 now. It is a real catastrophe, and our elites are doing absolutely nothing to change it. No, instead they fly around the world with their billions involving themselves in third world projects, ignoring the collapse at home.

There’s a lot of blame for this to go around. From willful ignorance to outright class hostility, many upper income Americans are complicit in wrecking things for the more fragile lower half. Fundamentally selfish ideologies like feminism have played a very important part, but if we’re honest with ourselves selfishness will find any excuse for the damage it does; if it weren’t feminism it would be something else.

The collapse of values amongst the lower classes, the blame for which can be laid squarely at the feet of our “leaders” and cultural elites, is a grim portent of things to come. If there is a collapse of order in the United States, and it’s starting to look more like a “when” rather than an “if” at this point, having half or more of our population devoid of any notions of responsibility, integrity and social obligation will make the outcome that much more brutal and savage. Think Hurricane Katrina X 100.

Whatever the case, I wouldn’t count on one or the other of our presidential candidates to save us from it. Things are too far gone.

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Tom October 5, 2012 at 10:59

In a decadent culture, the decadent thrive.. until it all comes crashing down, of course.

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Alex October 5, 2012 at 11:34

Great piece of writing. Highly recommend the Mike Judge film “Idiocracy” – another painful portent of exactly where we’re going, but at least one that’s funny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

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universe October 5, 2012 at 12:05

Cute kid. Well, most 6 year-olds are cute. But this one has a charisma.
(Watching short vids w/no sound).

Sure hope mama Yogi explains to BooBoo someday that when the cameras are shut off and stage performances end real life sets back in. And hopefully long before recognizing when competition for adult beauty becomes more intense.
When the attention dries up there may be a needy young adult on the loose and, “The Ranger isn’t going to like it”.

Good article Bill.

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keyster October 5, 2012 at 12:30

It started with the infusion of Cultural Marxism into our academic institutions and mass media during the 60′s. Tearing down “the Establishment”, Viet Nam war, hijacking Civil Rights from blacks. These children of the 60′s are the grandparents of OWS/Slacker children. The parents of “free-range” children with dozens of trophies and ribbons for finishing 8th.

What we’re seeing is the slow decline of the middle-class; white suburban kids adopting ghetto/gangsta chic. Others going to college only to work at Chipotle or Starbucks when they’re 25…but at least they can live at home and stay on their mom and dad’s health insurance.

There are no manufacturing or construction jobs, just seas of cubicles in Encorpera filled with people pretending to look busy while they surf Overstock.com or ESPN.

The confidence that a Romney/Ryan administration would instill in the business world and policy certianty that they haven’t had in four years, will free capital and start a REAL recovery into expansion. There’s still a chance with a couple of competent business men.

Four more years of Obama will hasten the collapse. He really doesn’t know what he’s doing. This was obvious Weds night. Just talking points and rhetorical platitudes and soaring speeches of hope. I think he was on valium or something. Wait for the next debate when he takes it too far the other way and gets all ad hominem. It’s the only response he’ll have. In a debate between Romeny/Ryan and Obama/Biden – – there is not contest. It’s almost unfair. Do we want a President or a Rock Star?

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Towgunner October 5, 2012 at 13:11

I just posted this on the article about the WWII kiss being sexual harassment. I’d encourage folks to watch the South Park episode ‘raising the bar’…another good one from those guys, they tackle the whole honey boo boo trend.

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Ed October 5, 2012 at 13:45

“The confidence that a Romney/Ryan administration would instill in the business world and policy certianty that they haven’t had in four years, will free capital and start a REAL recovery into expansion. There’s still a chance with a couple of competent business men.”
@keyster

What a load of crap. Paul Ryan never started a business or even worked in a business his entire adult life. As soon as he graduated from college (his way partly paid by Social Security benefits from his deceased father), he immediately began feasting close by the big Trough in Washington DC, working for congressmen until he could get one of the prime seats where you can put your whole face in the Trough; that is, until he could become a Republican member of the House of Representatives.

I’m no fan of Obama, but you really want to put the presidency in the hands of people who put making sure Obama failed (by stonewalling every initiative) before the welfare of the county?

Sorry to go a bit OT. But come on, look at facts once in a while.

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Ed October 5, 2012 at 13:59

I wandered into the living room while my twenty year-year old daughter was watching Honey Boo Boo Child. I think I probably stood there with my mouth open in horrified fascination for about five minutes.

What mesmerized me the most what the mother’s absolute control over the entire circus and her unshakable sense of entitlement. Smart or not, this woman is a grotesque pig.

What does she have to teach our young daughters? Fortunately, mine is hard working and conservative in her attitudes; she was watching it for yucks. Are there other young girls who dream of being Mama June? That’s what scares me.

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freebird October 5, 2012 at 14:07

Think of all the government workers,both Federal and local who are employed to make sure mama and boo boo get their benefits.
This trickles down to the local economy in the form of food and other products bought for basic sustenance.
I’m sure the dental,medical,food and housing is paid all or in part by the State,they merely tax the working man a bit more to keep this economy working.
Perhaps it costs less per day to keep this burden on the working man that it does to prop up foreign wars,corporate welfare,the military industrial complex,global corporations making goods overseas..
Local and State taxes are paid upon these purchases.
Who says trickle down economics does not work?

Reagan was a genius.The deficit he ran up was quickly paid by Clinton’s wise domestic policy,Clinton had a surplus for Pete’s sake.

Confused yet?

Of course single “Julia’s” are the wave of the future,look how much they buy!

If it wasn’t for all those bastard children the local economy would depend upon illegal immigrants for more mouths to feed.

No wait,that did not come out right at all.

How to stop the train?
Try protectionism,make the corporations produce in country,THEN you could focus on stopping BS wars and chronic welfare economy.
Yas gotta have manufacturing jobs for the masses,start with textiles and teevees.

With in country manufacturing comes jobs for engineers to make the products.
Stop that importing foreign labor.
Stop exporting jobs.

But no, the globalists are making sweet hay,the welfare state is what they keep to have folks that buy that crap.
Round robin.

The whoring of the women has just begun.
After all,strong empowered wymyn who fly through college on grants and crotch are the wave of the future.

No jobs for middle and upper middle class men?
That was the design all along.
Thanks Council on Foreign Relations.
(and the rest of the oligarchs)

Moo!Moo! Sheeple,Moo!

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walking in hell October 5, 2012 at 16:46

Good writing.

We are in such weird times. Who would have thought that there would ever be a time when men were second class citizens and white and black trash mamas would lead the social fashion of the nation.

I feel like I have landed on Planet of the apes. What a nightmare.

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Avenger October 5, 2012 at 17:21

As soon as he graduated from college (his way partly paid by Social Security benefits from his deceased father),

His father died when he was 16 so he collected that tiny stipend for 2 years which he saved and used for his college tuition.

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El Bastardo October 5, 2012 at 19:38

When I saw the Honey Boo Boo show for the first time I stood with a dropped jaw myself; I was mesmerized by the sheer stupidity of it all. Yet that is slowly but surely where we are going. At least that is how I feel.

The people, US citizens, have been steadily conditioned to not get too froggy and rely on the honesty of government; even now that we know better our typical responses are still limp and weak. The thing I have noticed is that the new paradigm is coming. I think the G’men have figured it out; if not planning our movement for the past decade?

Although I could be wrong, I think this election will solidify women’s hegemony of state sponsorship, Obama will win, and he will take minorities and women down with him. From 85% of our war deaths these last ten years, to the largest segment of men given the proverbial pink slip; white men will not be that much of a minority in the next ten years at least. But when it comes to power and wealth; the divorce industry, civil rights privateers, whole families being wiped out by their sons dying in combat (85% are white male, many had no sons to continue their DNA along), and feminists malefeasance have so devastatingly crippled our poltical clout in politics I am unsure if we will recover? Also, they have been the ones shafted the most by the far left liberal hate group that blames men, specifically white men, for all the evil in the world in the educational elite’s spheres of influence.

I want them all to win (Obama and the democrats; all parts of government); I want them to show the world their ass! Not have a bunch of Republican pansies to scapegoat by claiming they blocked everything so nothing got done. I want them to have no excuses. I want us to show that we can learn our lesson, or prove that we have run out of chances as a people (not just white, I don’t read White Ntional material, just calling it like I see it). I am not sure we can last through another four with Obama at the helm; but I am not as positive about Romney as say keyster or others might be. I don’t think any of them have the balls, or political clout to take on the female vote and liberal hate mongers; and win!

You cannot take out your best producers over the last several decades without consequences. White men made this country what it is; say what you want but deep down, we all know that statement is true! NASA, our educational system (what it used to be anyways), our militaries strength, and so on; American White Males have been high on the hog. Yet, because we failed to control our women, we may have lost everything. Read about how Haiti got rid of the French, and see how they did after. Africa is as bad if not worse. It is not that minorities cannot do the work or achiee great educational success; they have done so. It is that they have been conditioned to largely rely on the state since Jim Crow laws were still in effect if not before. Black American women understood why they needed to get rid of their men, but it changed from a partnership to get free moey, to just bypassing the father altogether. This, in my opinion, is why black fathers are absent; not because they abandon their young in large numbers. Even though this is mainly blacks, many minorities, especially minority women have become accustomed to the idea of the state as husband and hopped on the gravy train. Kicking their men out after a kid can be a very lucrative thing for all involved in the scam. Free education, grants, housing, employment opportunities, day care services, legal services; I have not even gone into child support or alimony. Why struggle with the one you “love” when riding the cock carousel off the government dime in healthcare is soo much fun; and less work with more money?

White men may be the scapegoat; but from an educational standpoint, I sense we are the most likely to survive the loss of the state financially speaking. If anarchy happens, most of us have legally aquired guns, and have served in combat more than any other demographic; we also have statistically worked as a team better. Even with quota laws and lower levels of access to government jobs we have had a good percentage of success withstanding adversity in the past based of our nature/culture; not sure what to use as we are mainly mutts of European descent? However, most black-americans are heavily dependent on government largesse in one form or another. In the military, it is not so much racism in qutas, but the lack of interest for them to take combat jobs. They usually take over in supply or driving trucks. Especially black women.

If Obama runs this thing into the ground, expect some very unhappy campers off the “government reservations.” Many of them already blame Obama for not doing enough for them, read government largesse exclusivity, yet they will not throw him under the bus and vote for Romney. Thier hatred of republicans strikes me as odd? Maybe someone can fill me in with some good areas to educate myself as I will be guessing on that. Personally, I suspect it is because Democrats faor big government, and welfare more than Republicans, but it cannot be just that?

I suspect that most of what we have here is a weak Repblican party that has been so hamstrung by the stereotypes against the white middle class being their “patronage” for so long; they are incapable of debating Democrats fairly; especially compounded with Democrats being the media darlings of the MSM. They just can’t seem to compete until after people get enough of the liberal agenda; read welfare state.

Then we get a “wonderful” eight years of Bush. I truly think the political debate is a sham, but I will leave that to another argument.

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From the League of the Blue Pimpernel October 5, 2012 at 21:27

Idiocracy was not a movie. It was a Prophecy.

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walking in hell October 6, 2012 at 01:51

Those who refuse to acknowledge truth in the face of the evidence, lose credibility.

Some American men actually believe Democrats and Republicans offer hope to their woes.

Here is some evidence that American men have no friends in the Republican Party. The hopelessness of the Democratic party speaks for itself.

Ann Romney’s despicable anti-man speech highlights. The only thing worse than her speech is her ugly face.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/53731/ann-romneys-war-on-men-sexist-speech-says-women-care-more-than-men-single-moms-hold-country-together/

Chris Christie, caricature of the ugly American man (lawyer, lobbyist, obese, loud, bully, thief), international public relations embarassment, son of an emasculated father and domineering mother. In his own words “My Mom, who I lost 8 years ago, was the enforcer. She made sure we all knew who set the rules.”

Read his pandering, pedistalyzing speech to his dead mother.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chris-christies-republican-convention-address_651086.html

Janine Turner, single mother, author of “Holding Her Head High: 12 Single Mothers Who Championed Their Children and Changed History,” speaking at the Republican Party.
Can you say “kook?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slagiV7oOhc

And of course, need I remind you of Sara Palin, mother of a bastard breeder, international humiliator for American men.

Watch Sara Palin’s obedient husband breastfeeding at 8:35 in the video. You go mom!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCDxXJSucF4

It is not easy to accept that Republicans and Democrats are frauds and anti-man. Vlamimir Lenin put it best:

“The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them in parliament.”

As American men are not willing or able for any type of struggle, the two alternatives going forward are expatriation or oppression.

If any of you men out there still believe you have friends in either the Republican or Democratic party, can you offer any evidence?

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freebird October 6, 2012 at 03:09

“As soon as he graduated from college (his way partly paid by Social Security benefits from his deceased father),

His father died when he was 16 so he collected that tiny stipend for 2 years which he saved and used for his college tuition.”

It’s my understanding SS now pays the first 2 years of college tuition if a person is in school full time. (not part time)

For a man this means finding a job and working all night,for women and illegals it means applying for the grants that are set up for them.

I hear if a person is working for a NGO in the medical field the govt will forgive the student loans if that person has made minimal payments based upon income for 10 years.

This is mostly geared to female nurses working the (now) fast track to the MD degree.

Some gals manage to knock out a MD degree in 4 years,with only the internship as a roadblock,this can be handled by moving to an area with low ER traffic.

No,they are not as competent as man whop struggled for a decade and worked 150 hrs/wk in the residency.

But doctors cover for doctors,and the AMA is the worst thing out there.Why even the lib-fems avoid it, mostly due to taxation and accountability regulations.

Bastard children of single mothers are eligible for %80 of baby daddies SS.

I had thought about knocking out a bastard for the funds,but baby momma would surely rather live alone,then it would cost me more than it would gain.

Gaming the system is one of the few jobs left.

I would advise young men to get a govt job or use that student loan forgiveness system to start out in nursing.

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geographybeefinalisthimself October 6, 2012 at 03:21

” 32-year-old family matriarch “Mamma June” Shannon, a recent grandmother”

I guess we’re headed towards Third World spacing apart of generations now.

“She certainly knows that Alana is not going to grow up to be Miss Georgia (the girl is too big boned), but she has such a talent for amusing people and acting outrageous that people can’t get enough of her.”

I thought “big bones” was an overused excuse, popularized by Cartman from South Park, for being obese. Do people’s bone sizes really vary by that much?

As for Alana, maybe Ms. Shannon should use her ingenuity to create a “Miss Amusing Georgia” or “Miss Out-of-Control Georgia” where her daughter can mop the floor with comparable female Georgians, instead of being such a whorish grandmother and bleeding men dry for child support.

Anyone want to bet that Ms. Shannon will eventually have a fifth child younger than her grandchild?

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freebird October 6, 2012 at 03:27

” Thier hatred of republicans strikes me as odd? Maybe someone can fill me in with some good areas to educate myself as I will be guessing on that.”

Will do.

Talking with older retired folks has informed me-
The men hear the repubs talking about
cutting SS and medicare,that is just about all some of them have,as most savings have been swindled away by the banksters and stock market scams.

The women are pro-bama for the same reason + they have been mentally polluted Oprah style.Just one talking point about “the war on women” and it’s a done deal.

These are middle class folks who once worked.
The upper middle class and wealthy tend to go repub,as they think their tax rate will go down (it won’t) and that magically the stock market will become unrigged and the banksters will quit swindling. (they won’t)

Yes,they are disgusted with bama,but they see mittens as they guy outsourced jobs to foreign countries and called it ‘good business.”

In short,both parties are lacking in substance for the middle class.

Whilst there is less and less middle class,they are still a significant percentage of voters.

It would be SO EASY for a repub to win if only they would take on protectionism Ron Paul style.

It does appear a conspiracy to keep anyone with a work ethic from running.
The repubs want to steal for corporations,the demo-libs want to steal for illegals and lesbians.

They are all yelling about stealing and waging war and funding banksters.

Really sucks.

Given the choice the working man would rather be stolen from and left his SS than stolen from and not have it.

Neither party will make jobs (global corporatism) or quit stealing.

No way to win,yet the TeeVee gets folks all antsy about “doing something.”

It’s a scam,the TeeVee is just setting up the illusion your vote counts and change can be had.
It doesn’t and it can’t

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freebird October 6, 2012 at 03:33

What it comes down to-bottom line-
is that the Congress and Senate are not acting on behalf of the constituents,they are acting for the corporations and lobbyists that pay them.

Why would someone spend a millions of dollars to get a fifth of a million job?

Kickbacks man,kickbacks.
That and a lifetime pension at full pay
(outside of the SS system)

Yes,our “representatives” are outside the systems they setup for us sheeple.

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freebird October 6, 2012 at 03:36

Mittens yelping that he would not “take away his mothers of grandmother’s Medicare” did jack-shit for me as I lack the magic vagina and actually paid into the fucking system.
Fucking Mittens.
Fucking lib-tards

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Avenger October 6, 2012 at 04:11

‘Mamma June, AKA “the Coupon Queen” actually manages to stock her home fairly well’

I guess that a lot of poor people with nothing else to do can do this but few do and perhaps it’s that thinking that is one of the reasons they’re poor.

‘A lot of these compulsive types have above average intelligence, and June looks like one of them’
Just because she can add some numbers in her head and live off others do not make her smart. She’s 32 and already has a grandchild so she’s not exactly thinking long term(not really long term either) or how that kid will turn out. She’s not smart and doesn’t know what’s important in life.

‘Hence the praise she’s garnered for managing to wrest child support from four different men’
She’s still dependant. And what would happen if they became unemployed or died or just didn’t pay? She’d have to either get some low paying job or get benefits and I don’t think that Georgia has good benefits and she’d have to live at a subsistance level.I guess she’s married to Thompson so she probably wouldn’t even get anything from the state. And btw, I’m curious. Wouldn’t she lose the child support for the kid who had a kid and is living on her own? It would seem a bit crazy to be paying support for a kid in this circumstance.

‘She’s a very entertaining girl, although in a very inappropriate manner. ‘
The kid is just an annoying 6 yo but I guess that people will watch anything.

‘Well, let’s look at the facts. June is obese, far from wealthy and stuck in a dead-end life. She did the best with the opportunities provided to her, and in contemporary America that meant having children with multiple men to maximize child support’
Well perhaps if she didn’t get knocked up at an early age and the continue to have 3 more kids to take careof she would have had better opportunities. And I doubt that females in general who do this with multiple men have very good lives.

‘Now she has her own reality show and is being paid thousands of dollars per episode, and richer than she’s ever been. ‘
She’s only making a few thousand an episode and when the trash TV watching public gets bored with her that will be the end of her TV career and a new freak will take her place.

‘In order to maximize her daughter’s antics on stage, June jacks her up with a sugary, caffeine packed concoction of mountain dew and red bull before acts’
I’m not sure that has too much effect and it’s more just a 6yo kid energy. Kids have been drinking sodas like Coke with a lot of sugar and caffeine for a long time. Stimulents even calm a lot of kids down.

‘We have engineered a society that punishes the common people for making socially responsible choices’
How so?

‘Men who “do the right thing” and marry young end up divorced, childless, impoverished and indebted’
But it’s not the right thing for men to marry early and never was.

‘People who bring their children up with the values of hard work and honesty find that there aren’t any jobs for their kids’
Jobs are beside the point. There were plenty of places with much worse economies where education was still important eg Russia. You really don’t want a large dumbed down section of the population because it can never come to any good.

‘or that the jobs that do exist pay Latin American wages. This is true for most Americans under the age of 40 now’

Most? I really doubt that.

‘There’s a lot of blame for this to go around. From willful ignorance to outright class hostility, many upper income Americans are complicit in wrecking things for the more fragile lower half’

I doubt there was any intent to do this and the lower classes were always pretty good at wrecking things themselves. Besides, what benefit would the hugher classes get in wrecking the lower half? Who’sgoing to buy all of that junk if they have no money?

‘If there is a collapse of order in the United States, and it’s starting to look more like a “when” rather than an “if” at this point, having half or more of our population devoid of any notions of responsibility, integrity and social obligation will make the outcome that much more brutal and savage. ‘

There’s not going to be any total collapse but perhaps they’ll be a lowering of the standard of living and even that will only effect the bottom 1/2 who will suffer the brutality and savagery. There aren’t going to be any revolutions by the botton 1/2 , they simply don’t have the brainsor sophistication or organisation to pull it off. All changes in the past were by one elite group replacing another.It’s not even neccessary to do that in the US because the elite groups just take turns ruling and raping the country.More efficient that way. The Republicans did it for 8 years so now the democrats get their turn, or I should say that the that the parties represent get their turn. Elections are just a very good show they put on to give the appearance that the proles have a choice. They really operate like the Mafia that discovered long ago that fighting each other was just too wasteful with less profit all around so they got together and divided things up and worked together to keep any interlopers out. That’s what the 2 parties do in the US.

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Rocco October 6, 2012 at 04:20

Don’t forget she’s living off child support not wellfare and it was primarily republicans that favord the welfare reform act of 1996 so don’t expect any help from them as they throw the proor and middle class under the bus.

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Troll King October 6, 2012 at 04:34

For those who don’t know, Honey Boo Boo is a little girl named Alana who participates in beauty pageants. She hails from a working-class Southern white family (AKA redneck), is overweight even at the age of six, and also happens to have quite a talent for getting attention. Her mother, known as “Mamma June,” is an obese woman in her 30s who has four children by four different men

As someone who lives in the south, she isn’t a redneck. Atleast not by our definitions. Rednecks aren’t all that common because you typically have to have some money to be a redneck. To be a redneck you don’t just need to chew some scoal but also need camo and a big, very expensive, truck and a blue collar job and even more importantly a 4×4 with a stars and bars license plate on it.

NO, this woman is the, all too common, white trash typical southern female. I wish I could claim that she represents a very small portion of the population but she doesn’t. In the cities, like Nashville and Knoxville and Chattanooga, not memphis cause that is majority black, her kind isn’t that common but it isn’t uncommon either. If, however, you go to the small towns and the country then I would claim about 85% of the women have at least two or more characteristics in common with her. They may not be as fat as she is, but they do have as many bastards. Or maybe they are as fat and ugly as she is but instead they only have two bastards instead of four.

For anyone wondering why Men are Going Their Own Way, especially guys like me in the south, just take a look at her. I would rather be celibate than tap that. She is proof of the loneliness of men, either that or she raped at least four guys, because….I mean, DAMN!

I really hate American Women. Every fucking time I go to the grocery store I see five or ten of these things walking around with their EBT children. Don’t even get me started about walmart…damn.

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Troll King October 6, 2012 at 05:40

Here we go:

Rosetta Stone: Honey Boo Boo Edition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_804Pw6hoDI&feature=plcp

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Darryl X October 6, 2012 at 06:42

“The collapse of values amongst the lower classes, the blame for which can be laid squarely at the feet of our “leaders” and cultural elites, is a grim portent of things to come.”

I dunno. I lay the blame squarely on women. Period. Just because you can do evil and get away with it and profit from it doesn’t mean you should do it. And yes our leadership is comprised of a bunch of evil men manipulating silly women (Biblical reference here and its authors were very well aware of the future we would all be facing and they warned us – too bad no one listened) but it all comes down to the silly women. The evil men in our leadership have far fewer choices because they are vastly outnumbered by the women. I don’t excuse their behavior but offer a sociological explanation for it. There is no excuse or explanation for the women. They are evil and feminism must be stopped.

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Darryl X October 6, 2012 at 06:47

@ El Bastardo -

“I am not sure we can last through another four with Obama at the helm”

Do you mean four years or four months?

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Darryl X October 6, 2012 at 06:55

@ El Bastardo -

“Maybe someone can fill me in with some good areas to educate myself as I will be guessing on that.”

The Republicans (conservatives, right wing, etc…) have done just as much to wipe out the white middle class and whites in general as the Democrats. The Democrats have borrowed vast amounts of money from the Central Banks to pay for entitlement programs (mostly for women) and have denied those same entitlements to the people who actually deserve and need it. The Republicans also borrowed vast amounts of money from the Central Banks and used it for pyramid schemes, Ponzi schemes, destructive financial mechanisms (derivatives), industry that destroys more than it creates and doesn’t pay it’s workers more than welfare does, etc…. Blah blah blah. And then they expected the rest of the population to pay off the money they borrowed and the interest. The Republicans have done just as much to wipe out this country as the Democrats. They just did it in different ways. The behavior of neither is justified. As a matter of fact, it’s reprehensible. But the average American must understand that when they vote in this coming election, they are not voting for who can help this country the most but who is going to contribute to its destruction the least. It’s just damage control from here on out.

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Darryl X October 6, 2012 at 07:05

@ freebird -

“Reagan was a genius.The deficit he ran up was quickly paid by Clinton’s wise domestic policy,Clinton had a surplus for Pete’s sake.”

Reagan was insane and ran up the deficit beyond what the country could afford without condemning a significant part of the population to poverty and Clinton’s wise domestic policy was to steal money from men like me in my generation and pay off Reagan’s deficit and condemn men like me to a lifetime of poverty. Clinton had a surplus because he denied me and other hard working and responsible men any medical care for seven years, forced me to fast every other day for seven years and condemned me to the street for almost two years. See a pattern here?

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Darryl X October 6, 2012 at 07:12

@ Ed -

“What a load of crap.”

Couldn’t have written it better myself. This whole promotion of neo-conservativism witchcraft as a better alternative to feminism is gotten old. The neoconservatives ARE feminists. They affect the same outcome but just use a different mechanism. Unfortunately, the American public has been presented these false choices and a Faustian Bargain to go with it. When will people like keyster learn. (sigh)

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Darryl X October 6, 2012 at 07:39

@ keyster -

“The confidence that a Romney/Ryan administration would instill in the business world and policy certianty that they haven’t had in four years, will free capital and start a REAL recovery into expansion.”

The conservatives have no more right to interfere with business than the liberals have to interfere with families. Conservatives give just as many irrational incentives to irresponsible business owners for defrauding responsible and hard-working men like me as liberals give to women and other victim classes for defrauding responsible and hard-working men like me. Remember, women receive considerable welfare from liberals as incentive to divorce but the divorce industry (and others) receives just as much welfare from conservatives to divorce them. They’re two sides of the same coin. I’m back to voting for Ron Paul. My vote for him will do more to help this country than a vote for Romney or Obama.

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keyster October 6, 2012 at 09:06

I’m no fan of Obama, but you really want to put the presidency in the hands of people who put making sure Obama failed (by stonewalling every initiative) before the welfare of the county?

Every initiative he proposed involved either spending more money, raising taxes or both. Harry Reid has done far more damage not allowing House bills to move forward in the Senate.

If you think Obama has even been the least bit involved in the legislative process, you’d better understand why he can’t get anything passed. He’d prefer everything he wants be an executive order, and not even bother with that pesky other branch of government.

At least if Romney is president Valarie Jarret’s Council on Women and Girls will be shut down, and Mama June won’t have food stamps anymore to help her stock up on dry goods from Wal Mart.

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Darryl X October 6, 2012 at 09:52

@ keysster -

“At least if Romney is president Valarie Jarret’s Council on Women and Girls will be shut down,…”

No it won’t. Romney’s administration stands just as much to gain from it as Obama’s. Besides, shutting it down will require some political will and cooperation from Congress (no matter what it’s composition), neither of which Romney has. The only candidate who has openly condemned and promised to act against the Council on Women and Child Support and Family Law and other feminist-oriented institutions is Ron Paul. Romney is too much of a coward to condemn it let alone act to eliminate it.

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whatever October 6, 2012 at 12:36

So your feeling a little bad about “operation send everything to China”. Well, you got bucks for it till you lost it because you were an idiot.

Oh, and it’s to late to stop anything. Enjoy the inferno. The starting of you were a very enthusiastic participant.


The collapse of values amongst the lower classes, the blame for which can be laid squarely at the feet of our “leaders” and cultural elites, is a grim portent of things to come. If there is a collapse of order in the United States, and it’s starting to look more like a “when” rather than an “if” at this point, having half or more of our population devoid of any notions of responsibility, integrity and social obligation will make the outcome that much more brutal and savage. Think Hurricane Katrina X 100.

You mean they won’t die so you can have it easy. Yeah, I expect they won’t. Is that somehow supposed to make me sad?


At least if Romney is president Valarie Jarret’s Council on Women and Girls will be shut down, and Mama June won’t have food stamps anymore to help her stock up on dry goods from Wal Mart.

But illegal immigrants will still have their wages supplemented with foods stamps, and their employers will still avoid having to pay taxes. So the honest poor will continue to be crushed while you scream praise to your masters like the vile creature you are.

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zed October 6, 2012 at 15:26

“The confidence that a Romney/Ryan administration would instill in the business world and policy certianty that they haven’t had in four years, will free capital and start a REAL recovery into expansion.”

Four years ago, almost to the day, is when George W. Bush signed the TARP legislation into law which gave the financial sector a .7 trillion $$ line of credit to draw on to bail them out from their years of wild speculation. I can see how the prospect of being bailed out of one’s own bad decisions could spur optimism in the business sector – as long as it is propped up by taxes on the middle class, insulating the speculators from any losses.

The fundamental problem with stimulating the domestic economy is that the US is so over saturated with consumer goods that there is no real domestic market for what “big business” can produce under the old industrial paradigm. I work in an industry related to business services, and the bottom has fallen out of the market for business real estate. Some local landlords are dealing with a vacancy rate in the 50%-80% range – no one is producing anything which needs that space. The current workforce is much more mobile than previous ones, and the telecommunication advances of the past few years have pretty much rendered most of the old business models obsolete.

The service economy is also over saturated except at the lowest levels.

I live in a state that is pretty red and the GOP is so certain of winning it that I haven’t seen any real campaigning by either party – beyond a few yard signs and bumper stickers. All the money and time are going into the swing states – with Ohio and Florida being the big prizes. Threatening Social Security is not going to play well in Florida. Another last minute squeaker with the SCOTUS handing over the presidency to someone is not going to inspire the confidence you have in the Mitt-man and Robin.

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greyghost October 6, 2012 at 15:27

Get obama the fuck out of office.

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keyster October 6, 2012 at 15:59

No it won’t. Romney’s administration stands just as much to gain from it as Obama’s. Besides, shutting it down will require some political will and cooperation from Congress (no matter what it’s composition), neither of which Romney has. The only candidate who has openly condemned and promised to act against the Council on Women and Child Support and Family Law and other feminist-oriented institutions is Ron Paul. Romney is too much of a coward to condemn it let alone act to eliminate it.

The “Presidents Council on Women and Girls” has nothing to do with Congressional appropriation. It’s funded soley through the president’s discretionary spending budget. It was started by Valerie Jarrett and funded by Obama as a favor to her and pay back to NOW for beating Hillary. Trust me, Romney willl shut it down.

Has VAWA re-authorization passed yet?
No.
Why?
House Republicans are fiercely blocking it.
I assume that includes Ron Paul.

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keyster October 6, 2012 at 16:15

I can see how the prospect of being bailed out of one’s own bad decisions could spur optimism in the business sector – as long as it is propped up by taxes on the middle class, insulating the speculators from any losses.

The Dodd/Frank Bill has a “Too Big to Fail” provision for any financial institution with more than 1.2 trillion in assets. Romney has promised to pull that provision, if not the entire bill. Ironically those very corporations are Romney’s major campaign contributors.

Another last minute squeaker with the SCOTUS handing over the presidency to someone is not going to inspire the confidence you have in the Mitt-man and Robin.

If Obama and Romney are tied in electoral votes (barring any hanging chads in Florida), the House votes on who wins…which means Romney would win.

I don’t want the misandrist VAWA to get re-authorized.
I don’t want the Paycheck Fairness Act.
I don’t want STEM being applied to Title IX.
…I could go on, but suffice to say if Obama is re-elected he’ll simply make whatever he wants happen through Executive Order, and that’s bad for men and boys.

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Darryl X October 6, 2012 at 16:19

@ keyster -

“The “Presidents Council on Women and Girls” has nothing to do with Congressional appropriation. It’s funded soley through the president’s discretionary spending budget. It was started by Valerie Jarrett and funded by Obama as a favor to her and pay back to NOW for beating Hillary. Trust me, Romney willl shut it down.”

OK, I concede that Romney will shut it down. I understand that it is not funded by Congress. BUT it reports to Congress regularly and those reports and the lies in them are what Congress uses in part to draft feminist legislation and make appropriations. So it’s pretty closely connected to Congress and there are many supporters of it in Congress. If Romney is elected (and I had a dream last night that he was), you can bet that if he shuts it down, Congress will scream bloody murder and figure out another way of sustaining it or its Congressionally-funded equivalent. The Council was not created in a vacuum.

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Darryl X October 6, 2012 at 16:31

@ Rocco -

Child support is welfare.

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Cassidy October 6, 2012 at 16:36

Men are caught between a rock and a hard place; damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

If we choose not to get married to avoid getting screwed over, people criticize us for not being real men. If we get married, and end up getting screwed over, people criticize us for getting married in the first place.

If we choose not to attend college because we don’t want to be bombarded with misandry, people tell us we are losers. If we attend college, we are demonized everyday and treated as less than human.

If we don’t get jobs that pay a lot of money, people assume we are a bunch of lazy, good-for-nothing deadbeats. If we get jobs which are rewarding and/or fulfilling, but don’t pay a lot, people tell us we aren’t real men because we don’t make enough to support a family.

People need to put themselves in our shoes before they start casting judgement.

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Darryl X October 6, 2012 at 17:01

@ Avenger re October 6, 2012 at 04:11 –

You’ve gone off the rails. Price’s article was spot on. Nearly every criticism of it you posted is completely wrong in so many ways I’m not even going to bother itemizing every one of them because there isn’t enough space. If any of your comments were correct, then there are no problems with feminism and there is no need for Men’s Rights Movement.

The problem with the US and education isn’t just that an education will not help a man but that it will actually be used to hurt him disproportionately to a woman who doesn’t have one. We’re far worse off than Russia in that respect (or almost any other country). Ask any of my Russian colleagues when I was a graduate student twenty years ago. It’s only gotten worse.

Caffeine in energy drinks exceeds that in sodas by many multiples. The amount of caffeine in sodas is dangerous and has a spectacular impact on the development of a child’s nervous system. The amount in an energy drink is much worse. Caffeine is highly addictive. Come on.

Approximately half the population of the US under forty years of age has been homeless at least for a short time. A disproportionate percent of those are men. I have been for almost two years. And I’m Forty-four. It only gets worse the younger they get. And I have two PhD’s, a MS and a BS. In the natural sciences and at the top of my game the entire time. My average annual income for my entire adulthood doesn’t exceed $20,000 a year (adjusted for inflation no less). And I’m doing better than most of my contemporaries. And certainly better than most under forty. If you’re so smart, prepare a budget for me that accommodates medical care, food, automobile, residence and retirement on my present income of less than $15,600. Assume I will not be collecting social security, unemployment, medicare or medicaid, food stamps, or any other kinds of public assistance.

You seem to mock men like me and misrepresent all these serious life-threatening problems as no problems at all. As if the solutions to them were so simple and why are we so stupid that we haven’t figured them out yet. I’m a Mensa. A genius is a man who walks into a room full of normal men and is the smartest one in the room. When I walk into a room full of geniuses, I’m the smartest one in the room. And I still can’t figure out how to solve all these problems. That’s why I have concluded that our governments (feminists) are systematically exterminating men. And not just any men but the smartest ones who pose the greatest threat to the government.

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greyghost October 6, 2012 at 17:54

Keyster you are right, Obama is not getting my vote.

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Darryl X October 6, 2012 at 18:20

@ Avenger -

“I doubt there was any intent to do this and the lower classes were always pretty good at wrecking things themselves. Besides, what benefit would the hugher classes get in wrecking the lower half? Who’sgoing to buy all of that junk if they have no money?”

One word for you: “usury”. That’s the benefit the higher class has for wrecking things for the lower class. Almost no one in the higher class achieved that status without stealing from the lower class. I think you spend too much time thumbing your nose at those less fortunate than you are. Bad attitude that.

Almost every law drafted by Congress during the past forty-four years was designed specifically to promote usury in some way and allow those without a conscience to steal from those with one. And then punish them when there is nothing left to steal. Many of our laws are sadling lacking in deference to fundamental principles like mens rea and habeus corpus. That’s where the rich and the poor came from. The poor are poor because the rich stole from them. It’s no more complicated than that. And the poor were conscientious enough not to stoop to the same level as the rich to achieve wealth. So they stayed poor.

For the past forty-four years, the rich have stolen from the poor. Today, they are now punishing the poor because they have nothing left to steal. And then pointing fingers of blame at the poor for being poor and not being able to acquiesce to the manipulation by the rich. Most people, myself included, don’t mind being poor. I would never want to lower myself to the level of those who are rich to achieve so much wealth.

I do however object to being punished for being condemned to poverty by those who are rich. That’s how sick our culture and economy have become. This country, the rich, break a man and then punish him for being broken. Jailing men for child support is not the only mechanism for this phenomena but it is the most egregious because it uses children as hostages for ransom. Good and honest and real and hard-working and responsible men don’t mind being poor. So the rich had to impose upon him more. Jailing him for being poor. Or denying him health care which he worked hard for and condemning him to death. Or exiling him. Or denying him the right to leave the country and escape his persecutors.

It’s called malignant narcissism. And some call it the most serious form of mental illness there is. And they run our government. They have ascended to the highest levels of leadership. Including the presidency. But it isn’t a mental illness because it is the product of all the irresponsible choices a person makes throughout his life. It’s not a mental illness. It’s evil. Malignant narcissists are addicted to power and control. That’s the only reason they have as much money as they do. So they can use it to hurt other people. They’re addicted to it. These are the kinds of people who used to light cats on fire when they were children. Or beat weaker kids up on the play ground to steal their lunch money.

And no matter how much destruction and damage they cause, as long as it didn’t hurt them, it didn’t matter. That’s different from feminists though who actually will do things that hurt themselves but as long as they can point fingers of blame at someone else and manipulate everyone with the public spectacle of their chronic victimhood, they don’t care. They’ll even benefit from that too. Neither one ranks very high on my list of great and socially conscientious innovators – LOL.

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El Bastardo October 6, 2012 at 20:12

@Freebird,

I understand. Interesting point of view.

@DarrylX

It’s called malignant narcissism. And some call it the most serious form of mental illness there is. And they run our government. They have ascended to the highest levels of leadership. Including the presidency. But it isn’t a mental illness because it is the product of all the irresponsible choices a person makes throughout his life. It’s not a mental illness. It’s evil. Malignant narcissists are addicted to power and control. That’s the only reason they have as much money as they do. So they can use it to hurt other people. They’re addicted to it. These are the kinds of people who used to light cats on fire when they were children. Or beat weaker kids up on the play ground to steal their lunch money.

And no matter how much destruction and damage they cause, as long as it didn’t hurt them, it didn’t matter. That’s different from feminists though who actually will do things that hurt themselves but as long as they can point fingers of blame at someone else and manipulate everyone with the public spectacle of their chronic victimhood, they don’t care. They’ll even benefit from that too. Neither one ranks very high on my list of great and socially conscientious innovators – LOL.

Interesting points you make. Not tonight, but tomorrow will work on that. I made the question fecetiously about not having an informed opinion; I can agree with yours. I am always open to new ideas though. I check them out.

The whole thing with government here is that it has always existed to make business for itself.

For example, I hate it when people say this country was founded on Christian values. Like The Lord Jesus Himself came down like Zeus with Achilles ankle in tow and dipped us in a lake of fire and adversity to bless us with some malignant “Holy Wisdom” that our government is this mysterious protector of? Yeah, if you believe that, I’m Dr Manhattan, and I have something for ya! One need only look at the Medieval Age and how the clergy reserved the right to read the Bible and be it’s sole interpreter for the masses to see how that worked out. Indulgences, Inquisition, Crusades, poverty, plague, murder, wars, intrigue, the splitting of the Church, people believing they could be excommunicated (and therefore taken advantage of), religious persecution of ridiculous proportions; I could go all day. Any of this sound familiar? We have similar things going on now in our Nation as it is.

The claim of our Christian roots is easily proven bogus. There was only one true Christian founding father; most don’t even know his name. John Jay.

Our country was founded by men, possibly most of them were super geniuses; who knew the odds and how to beat them against a much superior super power of the day. It was a long shot, but regardless of what one might like or dislike about them; they truly put their money where their mouth was. Many of them did not fair so well as the more well known fathers like Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Paine, And Adams to name a few. Loss of wealth, life, and family members through war, assassination, and false accusations were common. The movies of the golden age of Hollywood don’t put it in a proper perspective; our nation was not whole; but very divided. The fact we survived can rightly be called a miracle; or maybe not? Depends on one’s POV I guess?

Our nation was founded on the precursor to Atheism(No God) and Agnosticism(if He exists, He is impersonal at best). They grew to manhood in an age where things were not peaceful; slavery of both white and black was rampant; workers were indentured surfs/child slaves/prostitutes/indentured wives, poverty was rampant, and the tax percentage that made them dump Tea in Boston is nothing to what makes them turn in their graves now.

Yet, the government in question now is severely more corrupt than anything back then; it is just more subtle with the evil it ties its hands together with around the world as I have seen it. When historians of the future study us like they did the Romans, I wonder if we will be judged better or worse?

I like to think better; as bad as we are, we have to be better than Rome right? Somehow, I suspect I will be disappointed.

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Justinian October 6, 2012 at 21:35

For the past forty-four years, the rich have stolen from the poor. Today, they are now punishing the poor because they have nothing left to steal. And then pointing fingers of blame at the poor for being poor and not being able to acquiesce to the manipulation by the rich. Most people, myself included, don’t mind being poor. I would never want to lower myself to the level of those who are rich to achieve so much wealth.

What an insane screed you have there. Its like it was torn right out of one of Karl Marx’s works.

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Justinian October 6, 2012 at 21:43

You seem to mock men like me and misrepresent all these serious life-threatening problems as no problems at all. As if the solutions to them were so simple and why are we so stupid that we haven’t figured them out yet. I’m a Mensa. A genius is a man who walks into a room full of normal men and is the smartest one in the room. When I walk into a room full of geniuses, I’m the smartest one in the room.

You mock yourself.

You certainly have a very high opinion of your own intelligence, and yet you still allowed yourself to get suckered into marriage and divorce?

If your so damn smart want don’t start a business so you can pay off ex-wife and not be so poor?

Oh thats right…..you believe nobody who is rich actually earned it.

They “stole” from the poor.

Steve Jobs tricked all those poor single mother welfare queens into trading in their food stamps for money to buy iphones.

I got it now Mr. Genius.

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Avenger October 6, 2012 at 21:53

@Daryl-get some help or learn how to solve your own problems because you’re not rational. It’s always the same thing with you about not being able to pay child support which you then expand into some paranoid delusions about the entire world. Your problems are the result of your own bad judgement and if you weren’t forced to pay child support the burden would fall to the State that would have to pay benefits to the woman and child out of taxpayer money which means that people like me would have to pay for your mistakes.
Even if you were paying 1/2 of your income in child support, which I doubt, it would not account for the conditions you claim you’re living under in your tale of woe so there must be more to the story than you’re telling.
I can give you plenty of advice on how to improve your finances but guys like you will never listen and give me a hundred reasons why you can’t do something. You like playing the poor little victim too much and would rather suffer than do something about it.

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Chris October 6, 2012 at 21:57

@DarrylX… yeah, if you cannot play the grants game and you are a US scientist, you won’t get tenure… and the girls get all the community college lecturing jobs. There are some solutions to your problem, but you won’t like them.

1. Go Bush. Get a job that pays the bills, hire a shack, and get cable only internet. You can then do a hell of a lot of research — put the results on researchgate, and help subvert big academia. Subverting the Big Academia (TM) with its connections to Big Pharma and Big Government is, in general, a good thing

2. Go overseas. It costs a hell of a lot less to do stuff and there are less regulations. I’m running a pilot trial at present on a 12 K budget. If you are good and not a pain to work with, try Australia, NZ or the UK: housing will cost more but most departments work as teams and not having someone get tenure is seen as a failure. (If you have Spanish or Portuguese, try South America). One of the big virtues is the rest of the world does not have that US “If we did not invent it it’s not real” issue. We ignore institutions when reading papers.

Can it be done? Well, it depends. The biggest issue is getting permanent residence in the new country. And that, in many fields, the US is now a decade behind the rest of the world.

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Chris October 6, 2012 at 22:01

DarrylX, for what it is worth, my H-factor is 8 off around 34 research outputs and a range of citations from 0 to 80 a paper. I do clinical epidemiology in mental health.

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anonymous October 6, 2012 at 23:33

Darryl “two phds” X: quote, “The poor are poor because the rich stole from them.”

lol moron

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Avenger October 7, 2012 at 01:08

Daryl-I answered your question but it wasn’t published here for some reason.

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Avenger October 7, 2012 at 01:44

Daryl-how many people do you know who claim to have 2 doctorates that have never earned more than minimum wage their entire life? And 1/2 the men under 40 have been homeless? Perhaps the men you know but people associate with people like themselves.
There’s something wrong here Daryl. Some things just have that ring of truth to them but nothing you say rings true to me and it sounds more like a troll with some mental problem.
And stop with this nonsense of asking me to provide all of these things you need on a minimum wage because it can’t be done. Find a job that pays more and has benefits. Go apply to some private school for a teaching job or something. I’m sure they’d like to have a guy with 2 doctorates and a mensa member on their staff :)

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freebird October 7, 2012 at 09:59

“Reagan was insane and ran up the deficit beyond what the country could afford without condemning a significant part of the population to poverty and Clinton’s wise domestic policy was to steal money from men like me in my generation and pay off Reagan’s deficit and condemn men like me to a lifetime of poverty. Clinton had a surplus because he denied me and other hard working and responsible men any medical care for seven years, forced me to fast every other day for seven years and condemned me to the street for almost two years. See a pattern here?”

Yes sir.
Expect more of the same.
I think mittens could shut down half of the 8 Presidential Councils for Women,but leave 4 and still have no Councils for men.

These rad-fem lesbians have gotten so much power they steer the State Dept into wars and steer the Justice Dept into BS lawz,and steer the Dept Of Defense into BS internal security procedures.

All those power structures comply because it gives me more power.

More power=less resistance to banksterism.

In short-ensconcing into ‘law’- shut up and take it or it’s off to jail.

Nope,mittens will not stop the power from being misused for gain,hell he’s just better at using for his own gain rather than his masters.

In other words,A bigger cut!

Wow,those guys piling on Darryl still *believe* in the American Dream,even tho it is clearly dead-the politicians DID kill it.

Good luck with the service economy,if you can think of service to the rich that is not currently being performed, let me know,and invite me into your business,I will work like a slave for little reward.

It’s the whole “we need illegals because Americans won’t work.”

Not buying it.
We just need enough to pay to eat and drive to work,the illegals get free housing and food,that’s why they can work for so little.

The globalists have even broken Mexico,Mexicans want a good 75 cents an hr whilst the Thai’s will work for a handful of rice every four hours.

Now that’s free trade!

The those 25 cent tennis shoes are sold for $75 in the States to State propped single moms who must have that brand name.

Heck of a scam,the profit is insane.
That profit,instead of adding 20ft/yr on an oligarch yacht,could be supporting nuclear families.

The good news is that when we reach 3rd world status and are living 12 to a room,perhaps THEN there may be some solidarity.

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keyster October 7, 2012 at 11:07

OK, I concede that Romney will shut it down. I understand that it is not funded by Congress. BUT it reports to Congress regularly and those reports and the lies in them are what Congress uses in part to draft feminist legislation and make appropriations. So it’s pretty closely connected to Congress and there are many supporters of it in Congress.

It doesn’t “report to Congress” in any way.
The reports that Congress uses are from the FBI, the Dept of Ed and the AAUW. There is not support of it in Congress, it’s strictly a Presidential “pet project”. Most of the spending goes towards administration and awarding scholarships to young women.

If Romney is elected (and I had a dream last night that he was), you can bet that if he shuts it down, Congress will scream bloody murder and figure out another way of sustaining it or its Congressionally-funded equivalent. The Council was not created in a vacuum.

Much like the Lily Ledbetter Act, The Council was indeed created in a vacuum after the Supreme Court ruled against her ability to sue for PAST equal pay. It was Obama’s first official executive order. (Side Note: Not one single instance of a past female employee envoking it in any legal realm to date.)

Romney will take such a big broad hatchet to the plethora of Czars and Assistant Deputy Directors and spending in ALL the agencies, etc….that there will be no room left to snipe and grouse about the Obama’s Council on Women and Girls being shut down. Maybe Nancy Pelosi or Debbie Wasserman-Schultz or Barbara Boxer will mention it in passing, but D.C. will be extremely chaotic when the GOP takes over the White House. No one will even notice.

I hope your dreams are prophetic.

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zed October 7, 2012 at 11:36

If Obama and Romney are tied in electoral votes (barring any hanging chads in Florida), the House votes on who wins…which means Romney would win.

One one of the sites with an electoral map they laid out all the scenarios/combinations of the nine swing, or up-for-grabs, states. There were 5 combinations which would result in a tie, 27 in which Romney wins, and 39 advantage Obama. Of the 32 which are in Romney’s favor, only one allows him to lose Florida, and it would involve carrying all 8 other undecided states.

If Jimmy the Greek were still alive, he would give very long odds on that one happening.

If we look at voter turnout, the last time that 60% or more of people of voting age turned out for an election was 1968.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections

Bill Clinton got elected in 1996 by winning a plurality of only 49% of people of voting age who turned out. While the 2000 election did pass the SCOTUS muster for being constitutional, winning on a technicality does not in any way constitute a “mandate” from the electorate. Another squeaker of an election with no clear cut winner according to the “voice of the peepuhl” will simply set the stage for 4 years of street fighting politics during which both sides do little except to block the other side’s agenda.

For American men, this may be the best outcome.

The commentary I have seen regarding Obama recently seems to indicate that he doesn’t really want to win – it looks like he is just coasting — hoping that his base and party politics will carry him into office for a 2nd term.

I do not share your optimism that Romney is going to be anyone’s savior and lead men out of their wilderness. I don’t like our current administration any more than you do, but I remain unconvinced that the alternative will be any better overall. It will simply shift the location of the pain.

The GOP’s base is shrinking, and as it shrinks it becomes more rigid. As they become more dogmatic, they leave no place among them for anyone in the cultural center. Those people either default to the other side – there only being two presented to us – or simply sit out election day, as the majority of voters did in 1996.

Ryan was booed recently at an AARP convention. It is unbelievably myopic of young voters that they support Obama, with all his entitlements, when they are going to be the ones paying for all if it unless the currency is totally debased.

If you look at federal debt since WW II, it was fairly flat in terms of constant 2010 $$ from the end of the war through 1980.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/USDebt.png/878px-USDebt.png

As a function of GDP, it declined steadily until the mid 70s, when it leveled off, and then took off and rose steadily until midway through Clinton’s term, when it actually began to fall. Then, with another GOP administration it began to rise again.

Much of this was due to the fed pouring in over $7 trillion to stabilize the monetary system in 2008.

Now, clearly, federal debt took off like a Saturn rocket as soon as Obama came to power, but the office of president is more akin to manager than to magician. He got left a poison pill with state the economy was in 4 years ago, but his policies have done nothing to remedy that.

Romney can claim the same poison pill. Unless he is a magician, he is going to have to go after entitlements left and right in order to rein in the out of control government spending.

Since 1980, the GOP’s track record on that has been abysmal.

So, while I do agree with you that Romney will not be as bad as Obama, I remain unconvinced that he will not turn out to be simply less-bad rather than good.

In order to find that out, he virtually has to win Florida. That presents an interesting conundrum – if Jeb Bush delivers his back yard to Romney, he can either challenge him in 2016, or wait it out until 2020. If Romney’s performance is weak enough for someone to challenge him within his own party, it is doubtful that the GOP would be able to hold onto the White House.

If, on the other hand, Obama gets the chance to drive us even further into the ditch, Jeb Bush – with his name recognition and political connections – would be almost a shoe in.

Now, here is the kicker – what worries me the most – Romney wins, can’t pull things out of the fire, parts of the US start to resemble Greece, some of the SOCON agenda does get implemented, the “war on women” rhetoric goes through the roof, and in 2016 it is “Hello President Hillary Clinton.”

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zed October 7, 2012 at 12:04

Romney will take such a big broad hatchet to the plethora of Czars and Assistant Deputy Directors and spending in ALL the agencies, etc….that there will be no room left to snipe and grouse about the Obama’s Council on Women and Girls being shut down.

I would dearly love to see that. I hope that all the savings don’t get sucked down into another ideological war.

Unfortunately, all those soon-to-be unemployed bureaucrats will not do much good for the unemployment numbers. And, they have no employable skills.

He’s still got to win Florida, however. He probably needs to put a muzzle on Ryan going after Social Security until after the election.

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Anonymous Reader October 7, 2012 at 12:46

This is what modern matriarchy looks like. Watch how “hubby” number 4 walks on eggshells around the matriarch – he surely knows quite well that three other men are paying part of the bills in that household, but it all goes right into her bank account. He could easily be replaced by another sucker, kicked out into the yard, but still tied to paying for Honey and her upkeep until she’s 18. It’s obvious he’s at her beck and call, and any sexytime is strictly on her terms, too…

By basically putting women like this in charge of family finances, it’s pretty much guaranteed that there won’t be any excessive build up of wealth. So no danger of up and coming families that might not just wind up in the middle class, but even break into the upper class.

Peasants. Well, ok, techno-peasants. Not at all what Jefferson had in mind when he wrote about free men, that’s for sure.

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Avenger October 7, 2012 at 15:48

What I find amazing is that this fat slob got 4 different men to shag her. Obviously idiots because if they had any brains they’d get together and make her life miserable.
This female is going to have some sort of reality show (at least until the boobtubers get bored with her) and is going to use the kids to make money. Every one of those boobs paying this female child support should object to her using their kid in the show so now she has no show.
Alternately they can demand that the kids receive their cut of the money she’s going to be paid and that it be held in trust until they are of legal age. I would absolutely block her from making money and keeping it all for herself and I’d sue her under the Coogan Act and win.
For some of you who do not know what this is it was to protect child performers’ assets.
Jackie Coogan was that kid who played with Chaplin and was making as much as him from films and endorsements at that time. Of course, he grew up and couldn’t play the cute kid anymore and disccovered that his mother had gone through all of his money.Congress passed a law, commonly known as the Coogan Act, to protect kids from this.
Btw, Coogan did manage to go to college and had jobs around Hollywood behind the scenes and ended up playing Uncle Fester on the Addams Family before he died so he wasn’t destitute like other kid actors(even with these protections kids like Gary Coleman had to work at some menial job because his parents stole his money and wasted it) but Coogan should have been able to live as a wealthy man for the rest of his life for the work he did as a kid.
So I’d enforce every law on this blob that I could. These are kids which means that the studio must provide a teacher and teach a minimum number of hours a day(who knows if fatso even sends the kids to school regularly) and social workers check up on this and how the kids are being treated. I’d put the “coupon queen” under close scrutiny. :)

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American October 7, 2012 at 16:23

I read somewhere that the modern American women of the “Gender-raunch culture”, “objectify women” to a degree that would make the old 50′s patriarchy blush.

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jozin October 7, 2012 at 23:44

@Anonymous Reader
By basically putting women like this in charge of family finances, it’s pretty much guaranteed that there won’t be any excessive build up of wealth. So no danger of up and coming families that might not just wind up in the middle class, but even break into the upper class.

This is exactly how existing matriarchies work (and probably also how they came to being). The only exception are hunter gatherers where the matriarchies are based on a bit different principles.

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Anonymous October 8, 2012 at 02:11

“Romney will take such a big broad hatchet to the plethora of Czars and Assistant Deputy Directors and spending in ALL the agencies, etc….that there will be no room left to snipe and grouse about the Obama’s Council on Women and Girls being shut down.”

Right.
Just like “read my lips,no new taxes” Herbert Walker Bush.

Considering mittens want a genuine legal amnesty for aliens,he’s not going to be cutting welfare or the Billion dollar DV legal scam for wymyn.

He’s just gonna cut old folks throats to pay for WW III.
Plenty of kickbacks from mil-industrials.

Ron Paul seems to be the last Republican in the Nation.

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numnut October 8, 2012 at 02:12

“Romney will take such a big broad hatchet to the plethora of Czars and Assistant Deputy Directors and spending in ALL the agencies, etc….that there will be no room left to snipe and grouse about the Obama’s Council on Women and Girls being shut down.”

Right.
Just like “read my lips,no new taxes” Herbert Walker Bush.

Considering mittens want a genuine legal amnesty for aliens,he’s not going to be cutting welfare or the Billion dollar DV legal scam for wymyn.

He’s just gonna cut old folks throats to pay for WW III.
Plenty of kickbacks from mil-industrials.

Ron Paul seems to be the last Republican in the Nation.

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1349 October 8, 2012 at 04:02

“We have engineered a society that punishes the common people for making socially responsible choices. Men who “do the right thing” and marry young end up divorced, childless, impoverished and indebted. Women who stay with their man have to work harder for less. People who bring their children up with the values of hard work and honesty find that there aren’t any jobs for their kids, or that the jobs that do exist pay Latin American wages. This is true for most Americans under the age of 40 now.”

You have described the situation in ex-USSR countries.

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Towgunner October 8, 2012 at 11:10

Hey Gents:

Just reading through, noticing the republicans versus democrats…look its coke vs. pepsi, yankees vs. red sox. Humbly I’d encourage you not to fall for it. As noted reb or dem both have pandered endlessly to women and why? Because they are 51% of the population and are herd creatures, hence, they are easily manipulated. So, a gullible demographic that is always a majority of the total population? This is precisely what any political party wants…ahem in a democracy, especially a socialist democracy. Mind you America was a constitutional republic and when Ben Franklin famously responded to a women’s question “what [government] do we have” with “a republic if you can keep it” he was talking about the fragility of a balanced system and the tendency to easily fall into mob rule. Small irony that it was a woman who asked that, since it was women that played a big part in destroying the old republic and bringing about the very thing that Franklin warned – mob rule.

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Anonymous October 8, 2012 at 11:39

Modern life: Why work hard and make something of yourself, it’s just a waste of time and fun?

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Ed October 9, 2012 at 09:47

“Conservatives give just as many irrational incentives to irresponsible business owners for defrauding responsible and hard-working men like me as liberals give to women and other victim classes for defrauding responsible and hard-working men like me.”
@ Darryl X

Pretty sharp analysis. I wish I could get some of my Republican neighbors, who started and are running small businesses, to understand this. The same goes for my liberal Democratic neighbors who can’t get the second half of your statement.

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Lisa October 15, 2012 at 21:39

This article is so incredibly ignorant, naive and judgemental. I can’t believe I wasted my time reading it! Every class of people in this world has a place, and this family represents a class we’re not used to seeing, unlike The Real Housewives of Wherever. Are the rich folk of reality televsion exploited? Are they playing the system? Rather than concern yourself with Mother June “taking advantage of the system”, see her for the supportive mother she clearly is to her children. No family is without fault. At least those girls have a mother who will stand by them, always maintaining a sense of humor and doing her best to take care of them – whatever that means. In a world full of deadbeat dads and mothers killing their newborns, and parents generally withholding love and support from their children, Honey Boo Boo and family are refreshing!

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