Russian Philosopher: Pussy Riot’s Sacrilege a Serious Threat

by W.F. Price on August 25, 2012

Aleksander Dugin, Russia’s most influential political philosopher, explains why Russia should take Pussy Riot’s provocation seriously, calling it part of an information war and an effort to subjugate Russia to external forces.

Dugin argues that the act was calculated to strike at the heart of both the secular and spiritual base of Russian society. As for Pussy Riot themselves, he calls them:

…porno-hooligans, blasphemers, and simply obscene, immoral and worthless individuals

His arguments are esoteric, and not entirely applicable to the West, but he gives us a pretty clear indication that Russia, and probably the rest of the world, is beginning to catch on to the threat posed by radical assaults on tradition hidden in the guise of gender liberation, or whatever Pussy Riot is claiming it stands for.

Interestingly, Dugin also claims that:

…the West has destroyed its own tradition, its own empires, and its own religion, and is now dealing with the rest of the world.

Here’s his video:

Food for thought.

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Thos August 25, 2012 at 09:45

Some mangina at the New York Times with mommy issues writes that since men have little biological role in pregnancy, we’re unviable as a sex.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/opinion/men-who-needs-them.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

Has the author ever seen an enterprise run entirely by women? These offices end up looking like the final chapters of Lord of the Flies.

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Anonymous Reader August 25, 2012 at 10:11

Very interesting video. It’s going to take a few viewings to really get the details of what he’s saying. There is a deep strain in Russian culture and philosophy of Slavic isolationism – that all the rest of the world is corrupt, and the Slavic peoples should keep away from them. That Slavophile perspective could partly underly what he’s saying. But it is just a guess.

It has been interesting to watch the whole drama. From the various pop figures, such as aging Madonna Ciccione, to religious White Knights, the urge to defend the poor li’l wimmenz is quite common. Even if the poor li’l wimmenz have gone out of their way to piss of the maximal number of people. Well, sure, wimmenz have a right to piss of anyone, and not pay any price for it. In other situations it is called “let’s you and him fight”. The mistake Pussy Riot made was in not bringing their boyfriends with them, to take the heat and any beatings.

Take note any time some “traditional, conservative” type calls for Pussy Riot to be set loose. Most likely you have either found a White Knight who is defending teh wimmenz right to behave as badly as they wanna, or you’ve found some conservative feminist who is naturally in tune with the feminine imperative. Conservative feminists can put a fig leaf of “Oh, they appealed to Mary!” over their imperative, but that’s just a joke.

Pussy Riot also took part in a collective action in a museum of Natural History, holding a sex-in. Conservative feminists who get their panties all bunched up over “porn” should logically have a big problem with women who very deliberately strip down, suck dick, and then get screwed doggy style in a museum, on camera, while some beta goofballs hold big banners up next to the wall protesting something or other. Conservative feminists who want mothers put on pedestals logically should have a problem when a 9-month pregnant woman takes part in the protest-orgy. But they don’t. And the feminine imperative explains that.

I’m not defending Putin or his gang of thugs. Thanks to 70-odd years of totalitarianism, one-party rule, executions of millions, there aren’t any good choices in Russia to manage a village, let alone the entire country. It will be a dysfunctional place for years, maybe decades, to come. You can’t shoot some of your smartest people year after year for 30 years without affecting the gene pool.

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Zimmy August 25, 2012 at 10:18

Well, it seems that the “Pussy Riots” did not get a ‘pussy pass’ as is so often the case. Still, the punishment was too harsh. They should have been give 6 months of supervised work cleaning up churches. I can only imagine the penalty they’d get if they tried their act in a mosque.

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namae nanka August 25, 2012 at 10:25

“the West has destroyed its own tradition, its own empires, and its own religion, and is now dealing with the rest of the world.”

You can only be the one-eyed king if you force/cajole others into going blind.

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Mojo August 25, 2012 at 10:26

Societies that are enjoying unprecedented affluence, freedom, and peace, must strive most vigorously of all to retain its traditions, religion, etc. Then it will have the best of all worlds.

Otherwise it will pass from one set of problems to another.

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Anonymous Reader August 25, 2012 at 10:38

Zimmy
Well, it seems that the “Pussy Riots” did not get a ‘pussy pass’ as is so often the case. Still, the punishment was too harsh. They should have been give 6 months of supervised work cleaning up churches.

There would be precedent for that, I think, in 19th century (pre-Soviet) Russia. Turning teh strong, independent wimmenz who are so helpless before the bad menz over to the Russian Orthodox church for half a year would be a very interesting political move. Giving these feminists a choice of submission to the authority of the state, or submission to the authority of the church would be an interesting “teaching moment”.

Put them on their hands and knees scrubbing floors for a while, under the direction of some cranky old bearded man with perfectionistic standards. Demand submission to his authority. See what happens.

I can only imagine the penalty they’d get if they tried their act in a mosque.

From the Russian government, probably the same. Depends on what part of the CIS they tried it in, I think. They might have triggered a riot that the Russian paramilitary cops would have to put down. Too close to the Caucasus mountains, they might just get disappeared, quietly.

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Anonymous Reader August 25, 2012 at 10:45

Mojo
Societies that are enjoying unprecedented affluence, freedom, and peace, must strive most vigorously of all to retain its traditions, religion, etc. Then it will have the best of all worlds.

Affluence seems to corrode away traditions in direct proportion to the amount of wealth. Sir John Glubb discusses this in his monograph from the 1970′s.

Otherwise it will pass from one set of problems to another.

We’re there already.

Back to the Russians: the problem they have is brutally simple. The KGB co-opted the smartest Russians for decades. You can’t find anyone capable of running anything bigger than a lemonade stand in Russia who wasn’t associated with some branch of the secret police. Competent people are needed to run things like government, or a hierarchy like the Russian church. So the government and the church are shot through with former secret policemen, with various predictable effects.

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Ray Manta August 25, 2012 at 11:07

Thos wrote:
Some mangina at the New York Times with mommy issues writes that since men have little biological role in pregnancy, we’re unviable as a sex.

He posts a NY times screed against men using a computer invented by men, with software and a network infrastructure developed by men. He’s fed and kept warm by technology maintained by men, but he still is able to come to the conclusion that ‘men are unnecessary’. His problems run deeper than mommy issues; moronic stupidity describes them much better.

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namae nanka August 25, 2012 at 11:49

“Societies that are enjoying unprecedented affluence, freedom, and peace, must strive most vigorously of all to retain its traditions, religion, etc. Then it will have the best of all worlds.”

“Affluence seems to corrode away traditions in direct proportion to the amount of wealth. Sir John Glubb discusses this in his monograph from the 1970′s. ”

Unwin’s monumental Sex and Culture makes the case that it is female sexual emancipation that leads to decay and downfall. though he is PC and discreet about it.

http://blog.jim.com/culture/gay-marriage-a-modest-proposal.html

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Nemo August 25, 2012 at 12:13

@ Ray Manta:

One wonders if the twit at the Times has the intellectual capacity to realize that he’s living in a city of skyscrapers that were built almost exclusively by male hands.

How can anyone look around NYC and NOT realize that his entire environment, with the posible exception of a few trees and some grass in Central Park, is a completely artificial construct built by manual laborers who were 99% male?

The REAL 1% is an inverse measure of true privilege – it’s the average number of women that you find in the most physically demanding and dirty jobs, such as truck drivers and high-rise ironworkers and offshore drilling riggers and frontline infantrymen.

If men do 99% of the crappiest jobs, what does that say about who are the actual nobles of society and who are the true serfs?

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TFH August 25, 2012 at 12:24

I have often said that Al-Qaeda foolishly choose indiscriminate terrorism.

Instead, if they packaged their message into a slick media campaign that explains why Western feminism is destructive, while keeping violence to a minimum, they could have gotten a lot more traction in the West.

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TFH August 25, 2012 at 12:26

Some mangina at the New York Times with mommy issues writes that since men have little biological role in pregnancy, we’re unviable as a sex.

As I often say, since the start of 2010, manginas and whiteknights would be doubling down on their groveling and misandry.

This is because more red-pill men means that manginas have to try harder and harder for what little crumbs they were getting.

But one can only double down so many times. So a mangina getting extreme is a sign that ALL of them are hurting. Good.

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Höllenhund August 25, 2012 at 12:34

I’m delighted to see Dugin mentioned on this site.

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Opus August 25, 2012 at 12:37

I have never been to Russia or for that matter to any part of the former Soviet Union, but I am surprised that this philosopher should talk as if there were any religious faith in Russia, for as we all know the Soviets ruthlessly destroyed all churches and rigorously enforced an atheistic and anti-religious ethos, thus no one in Russia can possibly object to a rock concert in what after all is only a rather large building – why is that any worse than playing Mahler 8 in St Paul’s Cathedral?

I can only imagine that if Pussy Riot had chosen St Paul’s over The Church of Christ the Saviour, the Revd Deacons and Arch-Deacons would have been resigning in support of the young ladies (as with the occupists last year).

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Anonymous Reader August 25, 2012 at 12:58

namae nanka
Unwin’s monumental Sex and Culture makes the case that it is female sexual emancipation that leads to decay and downfall. though he is PC and discreet about it.

Glubb would likely reply that female sexual emancipation is impossible except in the growth phase of affluent societies. Thus it is an effect, possibly a second-order effect, not a cause.

His description of 10th century Baghdad is uncannily similar to parts of the 20th century, in social ways. I have no idea if he is correct in that description.

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Anonymous Reader August 25, 2012 at 13:04

Opus
I have never been to Russia or for that matter to any part of the former Soviet Union, but I am surprised that this philosopher should talk as if there were any religious faith in Russia, for as we all know the Soviets ruthlessly destroyed all churches and rigorously enforced an atheistic and anti-religious ethos, thus no one in Russia can possibly object to a rock concert in what after all is only a rather large building – why is that any worse than playing Mahler 8 in St Paul’s Cathedral?

Opus, could you please get off of your atheist hobby horse? It’s tiresome. We get that you are not religious, and are not comfortable with religion. It’s ok. You don’t have to be any different, except for one thing. Just accept the history, accept the Russian culture that remains despite the best efforts of Communism, and move on.

I can only imagine that if Pussy Riot had chosen St Paul’s over The Church of Christ the Saviour, the Revd Deacons and Arch-Deacons would have been resigning in support of the young ladies (as with the occupists last year).

Considering how feminized the Anglican church is, you’re surely correct.

And if Pussy Riot had chosen to appeal to Mary by clambering arou
nd the tomb of Peter in the middle of St. Peter’s in Rome, I’m pretty sure that the conservative feminists, such as those at National Review, would be a lot less supportive of them. Because That Would Be Different – it would be tradcon oxen being gored.

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Anonymous Reader August 25, 2012 at 13:13

I should make my point more clearly. Russia is a different society, it is a different culture.Westerners tend to look at Russia through a lens of their own culture and experience – as if Russia were just a sort of mix of central European nations, only further east. It isn’t. There is a tremendous tension throughout Russian history from the days of Kiev Rus on down to modern times, a tension between wanting to accept and even embrace ideas from the West, and wanting to push away and refuse anything that isn’t “True Russian”. The debate over Pussy Riot is actually somewhat healthy, in that it’s taking place in a kind of context that looks more like Russia of 100 years ago in some ways than the USSR period.

Russia is different. It’s not Poland. It’s not Bohemia. It’s got very little cultural connection to Rome. Projecting Western European / British / American cultural assumptions into Russian culture is a foolish thing to do.

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Richard August 25, 2012 at 13:37

They should have let the women free and garnished 70% of gross revenues relating to Pussy Riot for the next 3 years or so and given it to the church.

How many Russian rock bands can you (or, say, the average Brazilian) name? I bet it’s fewer than five, and perhaps just one. And this “band” barely even qualifies as such, more of an amorphous collective of mentally ill women.

How many bands would kill (figuratively or literally) for this kind of publicity? What sort of venues and ticket prices do you think Pussy Riot could command on their triumphant Freed From Jail World Tour?

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Opus August 25, 2012 at 13:39

I seem to have upset Anonymous Reader, again.

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a_guy August 25, 2012 at 14:01

This whole topic is supremely ironic. The Soviets, during the Cold War, actively supported or even CREATED many of the left-wing social movements we have in the West now (such as the pro-homosexual movement, the sex-positive movement in general, the hippy counter-culture movement, radical environmentalism, FEMINISM, etc.) with the express purpose of undermining our culture in order to destabilize our countries. They even attempted to co-opt the Civil Rights movement (most people don’t know that Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican) in order to turn it from an equal rights effort into a hate-whitey/hate America movement.

They have succeeded beyond their greatest hopes and dreams, but their mistake was in not realizing that the Western countries have such global influence, especially in the internet age, that those movements would eventually reflect back into Russia and infect their own culture. They are now dealing with feminists having sex-ins and homosexuals attempting Pride parades in downtown Moscow, things that would have been unheard of in the Soviet days. The Russians are now fighting a losing battle against cultural rot that THEY fomented. It’s sad, but poetic.

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39Joshua August 25, 2012 at 14:17

With all respect, Mr. Price, this is too simple. I don’t like what Pussy Riot did, but critics like Dugin are taking the easy way out when they just try to blame the West and its decadence for Russia’s problems. Russia’s difficulties are mainly due not to the West, but rather the Russians are doing it to themselves by avoiding such problems as chronic drinking, philandering and slutting-up (Russian men and women respectively, which has helped to create the devestating future demographics problem of not having enough workers to provide for their elderly), the historical problem of Russian Orthodox subservience to the state, which creates real problems that PussyRiot crassly – although reasonalby – pointed out (e.g.for far too many Russian Orthodox their faith is simply a matter of nationalism and Russian culture, and nothing more), and so on. Really, Putin and Co. are playing decent Russian traditionalists for fools – they use such incidents as the Pussy Riot foolishness to detract the public from the very real Russian problems of horrible corruption, crony capitalism at its worst, etc. And unfortunately – like lemmings – guys like Dugin fall for it.

Don’t get me wrong – I recognize that Russian traditionalism is a good and beautiful thing, something we in the West should respect and learn from. The problem is that too many Russian traditionalists are using this as an excuse to avoid the sort of hard work that the Germans were able to do after World War II – namely, confronting the evils of their totalilitarian governments. Germans have dealt with Auswitz and Nazism, but Russians have not come to terms with the Gulag and Stalinism, and they’re paying the price for that. They will never be free until they confront this past, and myopically focussing on such issues as PussyRiot will not help them in the long run.

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imnobody August 25, 2012 at 14:28

Russia is different.

Indeed. If you want to read a fascinating book about it, try this

http://www.amazon.com/Natashas-Dance-Cultural-History-Russia/dp/0312421958

You won’t be disappointed.

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El Bastardo August 25, 2012 at 15:20

I take this as a clear warning that the US can be replaced. We may be at the top now, but we are not irreplaceable!

Looking at my own life, when I was immoral, I lost a lot; when I was moral I gained a lot even though I had to persevere those who clearly did not want to do what I did.

If we want to keep talking at the head of the table, we better stop acting like we know what we are talking about and get a clue.

The fact is, our country is full of traitors at the top; they have an agenda to neutralize us and our standing. The sooner we realize this and remove them the harder it will get for us; at first, only because there are a crew of people running the show everywhere who will not just let us do this without a fight. Aftereards we can write our own check.

The problem is, we have to get everyone to largely vote one way; that is not going to happen. I fear the next ten years may be this nations worst. We have politicos on both sides of the isle who I feel secretly work together behind the doors when closed. With our nation’s moral fabric as it stands; it is unlikely we as a people are going to turn this around. We have too many who do not wish to work the necessary work to change our circumstances, many are content with how things are. People everywhere have their “sacred calfs” they will defend; they don’t perceive anything they do now as wrong. We are obcessed with ourselves and our personal desires. How it affects others is rarely relevant to anyone else.

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The Whammer August 25, 2012 at 15:30

And if Pussy Riot had chosen to appeal to Mary by clambering arou
nd the tomb of Peter in the middle of St. Peter’s in Rome

The Swiss Guard would have kicked their arses :)

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Anonymous Reader August 25, 2012 at 15:31

No, Opus, you are boring me. Just as a Scientologist or a 6-Day Creationist who kept dragging their pet pony into a conversation would.

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tiredofitall August 25, 2012 at 15:58

From the New York Times article: “With expanding reproductive choices, we can expect to see more women choose to reproduce without men entirely.”

Really? Well hell, that’s a trick I’d love to see. Last I checked parthenogenesis wasn’t viable much above reptiles. Also the last time a woman got pregnant without a man’s seed it was a pretty big deal 2000 years ago.

“Fortunately, the data for children raised by only females is encouraging. As the Princeton sociologist Sara S. McLanahan has shown, poverty is what hurts children, not the number or gender of parents.”

Children only raised by females? Take a visit to your closest penitentiary, or ghetto if you really wanna see that future. As to poverty affecting kids; when you cut men out of the equation entirely of course the kids are gonna be the ones to suffer. Living off the government tit is only going to work until men stop paying into it, and if they’re being told they aren’t wanted men will smarten up and GTFO.

“That’s good, since women are both necessary and sufficient for reproduction, and men are neither.”

Let’s see how prescient this comment is when artificial wombs become commonplace as cellphones and computers are now. Then it’ll be spates of articles bemoaning how women are having to grovel for a morsel of men’s attention.

Honestly, why would a guy want anything to do with women if he can: 1.) Live FAR cheaper by himself/with a group of like minded men splitting the bill.
2.) Not have to live in fear of a “Sword of Damocles” hanging over his head in the form of divorce/adultery/abuse allegations from women.
3.) Pass on his genes to a child he’s 100% sure is HIS, and not the “bad-boy” who gave his wife gina tingles.
4.) Have a child raised with his values and beliefs, not what wifey demands.

Got news for you ladies, men can pretty much do all of those things on my list right NOW. Without you.

The only reason we don’t is a misplaced sense of obligation we’ve yet to shake, and social pressures to conform to making a family.
But here’s the thing, when it gets to be far easier to live by my list than it is to put up with your bullshit, we’ll see who needs who.

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Anonymous Reader August 25, 2012 at 16:00

39Joshua
With all respect, Mr. Price, this is too simple. I don’t like what Pussy Riot did, but critics like Dugin are taking the easy way out when they just try to blame the West and its decadence for Russia’s problems.

It is true that this is an easy way out. It has a long pedigree in Russia. But also, if you look at the totality of Pussy Riot’s work, it’s obviously patterned on 1980′s western feminism.

Russia’s difficulties are mainly due not to the West, but rather the Russians are doing it to themselves by avoiding such problems as chronic drinking, philandering and slutting-up (Russian men and women respectively,

Those are symptoms, not causes. They are symptoms of an extremely damaged culture. For example: for years, in the USSR, it was very difficult to obtain reliable contraceptives, because the state wanted to encourage population growth. But one legacy of the 1920′s feminism that Lenin encouraged was on-demand abortion. So in the 1970′s and 1980′s it became known that women in the USSR were using abortion as their primary means of birth control, with many women having 3 or more abortions in their adult life time.

One more time: you can’t shoot a lot of your smart people for 30 years (1919 – 1946) or so and not affect the gene pool.

which has helped to create the devestating future demographics problem of not having enough workers to provide for their elderly),

Every industrialized country has the same demographic problem. Japan’s population has been in decline for the last 5 years – there are fewer Japanese alive now than in 2006. Italy and Germany and Spain and Greece and Portugal are all about to go into decline. Singling out the Russians and ignoring every other country in the Northern Hemisphere (population growth in the US and Canada comes from immigration) is kind of pointless.

the historical problem of Russian Orthodox subservience to the state, which creates real problems that PussyRiot crassly – although reasonalby – pointed out (e.g.for far too many Russian Orthodox their faith is simply a matter of nationalism and Russian culture, and nothing more), and so on.

So what? All of the above things have been true in Russia for centuries. Go look up the Third Rome theory. Pussy Riot has basically pissed on themselves.

Really, Putin and Co. are playing decent Russian traditionalists for fools – they use such incidents as the Pussy Riot foolishness to detract the public from the very real Russian problems of horrible corruption, crony capitalism at its worst, etc.

Don’t underestimate the cynicism of Russians. Including academics like Dugin. Denouncing the decadent West is a safe thing to do. There’s no danger Dugin will accidentally throw himself out of a 5th floor window, for example, so long as he keeps on this topic.

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namae nanka August 25, 2012 at 16:03

“Glubb would likely reply that female sexual emancipation is impossible except in the growth phase of affluent societies. Thus it is an effect, possibly a second-order effect, not a cause. ”

The society that never constrains women at the start will never come to such a period of growth and decay.

“His description of 10th century Baghdad is uncannily similar to parts of the 20th century, in social ways. I have no idea if he is correct in that description.”

heh.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/09/15/how-female-suffrage-destroyed-western-civilization/#comment-42085

There were other examples I sought as well, for example Tang Dynasty women in China, or consider this quote from Phillip Longman’s ‘Return of Patriarchy’ article.
“”If we could survive without a wife, citizens of Rome, all of us would do without that nuisance.” So proclaimed the Roman general, statesman, and censor Quintus Caecilius Metellus Macedonicus, in 131 B.C. ”

And there were a few more, but Unwin’s work is much more comprehensive, it’s only recently that I came upon it. (the book was unavailable at most MRA sites)

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Buddy Guy August 25, 2012 at 16:07

In the end, the pussies got fucked.

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Norm August 25, 2012 at 16:09

I find it somewhat annoying when some in the media call them a “punk band”. They are not musicians and have no talent whatsoever. They filmed themselves having sex in a department store and another one where a woman took a raw chicken and put it up her vagina. (doesen’t she know about salmonella?)While the punishment should have been 6 mos. to 1 year instead of 2, it should send a message that 1960s type actions will not work in Russia.

They seen what it done to the west.

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walking in hell2 August 25, 2012 at 16:12

Basically what the Dugin is saying is that the Pussy Riot stunt was an assault against the traditional Czar-Russian Orthodox structure that is manifested in modern times with Putin playing the part of the Czar partnered with a slowly reviving Russian Orthodox church.

Furthermore, any lenient response against the stunt would have invited more of the same immorality and nihilism to spread through Russia, lowering morale and possibly allowing Russian to be destroyed or invaded.

Dugin is like a modern day Tolstoy or Dostoevsky. He knows that aggressive feminist behavior is a psychological weapon of war that can damage morale and invite a dangerous and destructive revolution, at the same time making Pussy Riot heroes and vilifying Putin and the church.

The problem is that Dugin is out of touch with the way modern Russians behave. He seems to be living in the nostalgic Russian of the 1800s world. In reality, Russia women are easy; divorce and single motherhood are rampant in Russia. All over the world you can find Russian prostitutes.

Nevertheless, is nice to see the Russians defending against any further destruction of their society. The punishment sends a signal to all would-be feminists that the days of Mother Russia are over and the Russian Patriarchy is getting stronger.

Secondly, as Price said, it looks like the word is getting out: no one wants the oppressive, lonely life us American men have. The opposition to the Western way of life is growing.

On another note, if you watch Russia Today, Putin handled the situation well by subtly playing the part of a white knight and publicly asking the court for leniency for Pussy Riot. Of course, privately, he told the court to lock the bitches up.

I think the sentence for Pussy Riot was very lenient. Perhaps burning at the stake would have been more appropriate. I say this as a man who has experienced feminism in the West, and seen its destructive power. But of course burning at the stake would have accomplished martyrdom, which is exactly what the elites who want to destroy Russia would have wanted.

Vladimir Putin is so smart. Vladimir Putin for American President!

BTW, Sting, Faith no More, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers spoke out on Pussy Riot’s behalf. Never support these mangina, white knight artists again.

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walking in hell2 August 25, 2012 at 16:20

Here are the photos of the Pussy Riot sex orgy. One of the bitches is pregnant in the photos. The Western Media didn’t talk about this incident, probably because they knew it would cause a loss of sympathy for Pussy Riot.

http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/altreport/2012/08/nsfw-nude-orgy-pregnancy-photos-hot-girl-pussy-riot.html

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Keyster August 25, 2012 at 16:24

Men no longer needed, says NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/opinion/men-who-needs-them.html

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TFH August 25, 2012 at 16:39

Keyster,

As you correctly point out, there is a severe lack of actual activism from MRAs. That is why that NYT contributor can say such things using his real name, without penalty.

There is no cost to him, of doing so, as the MRM does not have a hatchet-squad (among other deficits).

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Rebel August 25, 2012 at 16:56

Only a few years ago, Pussy riot would have been rewarded with lifetime vacation in a goulag.
Times, they are a changing indeed..
Sigh…

The Russians are becoming soft.

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Rebel August 25, 2012 at 16:59

@TFH:
“That is why that NYT contributor can say such things using his real name, without penalty.”

The guy is a total moron. There exists no penalty for being brainless, unfortunately.
I was thinking of Siberia as a place of permanent residence for him..

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Wilson August 25, 2012 at 17:17

That guy is just bizarrely inverting the view men used to have that women simply carried men’s children. As if cellular biology and evolution were never discovered–and he’s a professor of biology! He also uses women’s need for education, extensive senility, and passivity as some sort of upside-down indicators of fitness. The argument comes from female projection since once means of crating eggs and incubating them are developed women’s contributions to the world will be revealed to be very meager indeed. That Hampikian has taken on a female mentality to such a shocking degree is hard to believe unless he is suffering from some illness.

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tom47 August 25, 2012 at 17:47

I’m tired and have to get up early so I won’t go into this too deep.
Men can’t get pregnant and women can’t fly, and if we lived in a rain forest that would be that. But we don’t live in a rain forest and men will “have babies” the same way women can fly, with machines.
Mashing together two eggs 1400 times to produce 50 live embryos only 1 of which survives is NOT a viable form of reproduction, to do that you need to be able to produce a real sperm and a real egg. Guess what, you only need one X chromosome to produce an egg, the same as you only need one Y chromosome to produce a sperm.
Human eggs have already been “induced” from the skin cells of men.
Mice have already been produced that “have two daddies”
The only thing preventing Heather from having two daddies today is the FDA and it’s British equivilent which has a ban on the use of “manufactured” eggs. I’m shot right now so I can’t find the links, but it’s true. The whole we don’t need men argument will blow up in their faces and we’re not talking decades but more like the end of this decade. I would say sooner for the two daddies senerio and by the end of the decade for a full blown machine pregnancy and “The End of Women”

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Uncle Elmer August 25, 2012 at 18:15

Keyster August 25, 2012 at 16:24

Men no longer needed, says NY Times:

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A cliche-ridden and sloppily written op-ed from a PhD biologist. One suspects he penned this essay in an attempt to identify himself to his feminist colleagues that he has correct thinking in matters of gender and should be retained for tenure in their Lysenkoist utopia.

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The Whammer August 25, 2012 at 20:02

@Reader
“For example: for years, in the USSR, it was very difficult to obtain reliable contraceptives, because the state wanted to encourage population growth. ”

The real reason is that Russian females don’t trust hormonal birth control methods and besides, Russia could have easily manufactured these drugs or importd them.And if they wanted to increase population they would have made abortion illegal.

“I’m not defending Putin or his gang of thugs. Thanks to 70-odd years of totalitarianism, one-party rule, executions of millions”

That was more like a foreign occupation. Now they’re occupying and controlling your country and you fools left the door open and invited them in. You didn’t learn your lesson in 1900 with the anarchists and Marists back then. They were barely off the boat and they were suing people.
And btw, I’d be more concerned with Obama and his thugs than some country 5k miles away.

Another thing. What do you think would happen if these sluts did this in some museum in NY? Or went into a supermarket and stuck a chicken up their cunt? Not much happened to them in Moscow. A US DA would have charged them with a 100 things.Everything from an obscene public performance to theft to corrupting the morals of a minor if some kid was within a mile to improper transport of a dead chicken and a fine for smokingi n public lol
Yes, the US and UK are really free places
And I doubt that Putin is any bigger a thug than any other politician in the West. In the last election there were video cameras at every polling location to monitor for fraud. Try that in Chicago and some thug from the ACLU will come up with some bullshit argument to stop it.
The US media is always against people like Putin. Look how they covered the Khodokovsky trial. This guy was a pimp, murderer and got control through corruption of Yukos and other national assets during privitisation and with hardly any money down. The other thieves of his clan had already absconded from Russia with billions but they managed to capture him and put him on trial. Aside from his criminality he was trying to take political power and if he did you’d have the Bolshevics back again and all of his fellows crooks would be back doing what they had done for the past 70 years.
There’s no free press in the US. The entire network is owned by the same clan and does not have American interests in mind, just how much they can make and push their warped agenda to weaken the opposition and remain in control.

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The Whammer August 25, 2012 at 20:04

@Elmer-the word is sex not gender. We’re going to have to get the language back under our control.

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Keyster August 25, 2012 at 21:22

One of the wisest career moves a male acadamician, journalist or politician can make is to refer to women in only the most glowing terms, while deriding men. Bonus points for showing deference to his wife and/or mother every chance he gets. “She’s the rock of the family.”, “She’s the smart one.”, “I don’t know what I’d do without her.”, etc…while deriding yourself. Saying or agreeing with “Being a mother is the hardest job in the world!”, never hurts your chances at winning grrl points either.

Men can never and will never organize against institutional misandry. There will never be necessary financial backing, passion and most importantly the courage, to stand up against it. Women (and feminism) simply wield too much power over men’s conscience. It’s other women (mothers of sons, sisters of brothers) that will have to do it. This is the sad truth. Meanwhile we’ll keep chipping away best we can via the interwebs; exploiting small break-throughs when they come along. It’s slow and plodding, but counter-culture insurgencies in a war of words always are.

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Rebel August 25, 2012 at 21:26

I alwas try to see what’s beyond the immediate..
and I was wondering if it would be proper, at this moment, to consider the validity of the males of every species on earth.
For instance, only female rhinos can give birth… maybe the males are not needed, either. And we can run along the line of each of the many millions of species that inhabit this planet. Why should his perfect reasoning apply to humans only?

And this, of course, triggers yet another question: would it be proper to consider the possibility to create a mass extinction? Killing only the males?

The New-York Times you said?
No wonder Celente calls it toilet paper. Except that it does no even qualify as toilet paper…

Following through on feminist doctrine and dogma can lead to surprising results…

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David Collard August 25, 2012 at 22:13

I was delighted that Pussy Riot got jailed. And I hope the sluts in Cologne get the same. It is high time men called a stop to this nonsense.

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Wirbelwind August 26, 2012 at 00:19

Fun fact: FEMEN and Pussy Riot did a great job in discrediting feminist movement in Central and Eastern Europe. Now when you think feminist you think about stupid bimbos with tits on display, cutting down monuments erected to honor victims of communism or “feminists” masturbating with a chicken or something.

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Höllenhund August 26, 2012 at 00:25

That is why that NYT contributor can say such things using his real name, without penalty. There is no cost to him, of doing so, as the MRM does not have a hatchet-squad (among other deficits).

Meh. Threatening and attacking such idiots would merely fuel feminist fantasies of being a morally superior group persecuted by patriarchal, misogynist brutes that are “threatened by their ideals” and “cannot counter their arguments with logic” etc. The last thing feminists should have is martyr status.

You have to let them go. Separate yourself from them, have nothing to do with them and don’t listen to the mainstream media. Eventually this mangina idiot will be disowned and trampled upon by his “fellow” feminists just like Schwyzer was – because, you know, he’s a man, and a man can do no right in their eyes.

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George B. August 26, 2012 at 01:30

The “Western Experiment” (as I like to call it) is reaching its inevitable conclusion, utterly destroyed from the inside out by the Liberalism / Cultural Marxism virus. The good news is, other civilizations, having seen the impact of seemingly “good ideas” on the the societies that implemented them (namely the West) are wising up to the fraud of liberalism.
As an example, in Lebanon the feminists were pushing to pass a VAWA clone that would criminalize domestic violence (btw, there’s already a law against violence, and hitting your husband/wife is no exception, the law still applies) against women and marital rape. Before passing, the law, it was revised to include domestic violence against all members of the family, even boys and men; and, concerning marital rape, it explicitly stated that consent is given upon signature of the marriage contract and marital rape was defined as forcible rape by physical force or threat. Also, in the feminists’ version of the law, presumption of innocence for men was removed, in the revised version, it was added.
This doesn’t just apply to sex relations, or just Western Leftist ideologies: after the Free Market Fundamentalism (known as “Liberal/Market Democracy” where the idea is that the free market caters to citizens’ needs like no government can) lead to disaster in Russia in the early 90′s, Russians knew it was false and also became wary of importing any idea from the West just because “thewestdidit”. Now the Russian approach is a hybrid of the profit motive and duty to the nation, e.g. for national energy companies. The Russians instated the belief that companies weren’t just responsible for profit but also had a social contract to honor.

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Opus August 26, 2012 at 01:54

It now appears that I merely bore, rather than annoy, Anonymous Reader, which seems strange as Anonymous Reader does seem to feel compelled to comment on every sentence of all of my boring comments – which must be very boring for him. I am merely amused.

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Höllenhund August 26, 2012 at 03:33

Why didn’t my latest comment go through?

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ode August 26, 2012 at 03:34

Men no longer needed, says NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/opinion/men-who-needs-them.html

“As the Princeton sociologist Sara S. McLanahan has shown, poverty is what hurts children, not the number or gender of parents.”

Basically what this Quackademic Professor is saying is that all you single beta males out there need to hold your nose to the grinding stone and pay your taxes so the baby mommas out there can collect their welfare.

Am I reading this correctly?

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walking in hell2 August 26, 2012 at 05:22

Off topic.

A case where a veteran’s disability pension is taken for a child support order, but the child is 30 years old.

http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-a-va-disability-pension-be-garnished-in-wv-for-156559.html

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Rocco August 26, 2012 at 06:43

@ NYT’s

Interesting jucstaposition with this Russian philosopher…I think he would say this is yet another volley in the war on men. The goal being to change culture the same way Murphy Brown did.

We are so far down the rabbit hole we can say nothing without having the SPLC on our backs….too bad. This is cultural war and decline…men need to go their own way, society has no use but “entertainment” and indentured servatude for men.

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The First Joe August 26, 2012 at 07:16

@Opus – The Orthodox faith survived “underground” throughout Soviet times, and experienced a huge resurgence as soon as the USSR fell.

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Ray Manta August 26, 2012 at 07:42

Wirbelwind wrote:
Fun fact: FEMEN and Pussy Riot did a great job in discrediting feminist movement in Central and Eastern Europe.

That’s been my reading of them. Anyone who needs to shove her naked tits in your face or have sex in a museum to get your attention is hard to take seriously as a moral authority. What these ladies need is a good hard spanking followed up by being sent to bed without their supper. The young man in the video below has the right idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU-v2KL1k7c

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Keyster August 26, 2012 at 09:01

The New-York Times you said?
No wonder Celente calls it toilet paper. Except that it does no even qualify as toilet paper…

The New York Times is considered a fair and balanced publication. It gives equal space between the Center Left and the Far Left. This is typical in the newspaper business. Conservative indictment of liberal bias in journalism came through AM talk radio, until FNC and the Drudge Report. What’s revealing is that they still refuse to adapt to the criticism, firmly clinging to liberal slant…even as circulation and ratings continue to decline.

We are so far down the rabbit hole we can say nothing without having the SPLC on our backs….

The SPLC hates white/Christian/American males.
The SPLC is a hate organization.

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Attia August 26, 2012 at 09:12

Here’s a clip of what a group associated with Pussy Riot did with a supermarket chicken (NOT SAFE FOR WORK):

And she wasn’t arrested for nudity, or shoplifting, apparently.

http://redhotrussia.com/art-group-voina-controversial-act/

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Abelard Lindsey August 26, 2012 at 10:08

I would not crow about Russia’s 1,000 year history. As the Economist magazine pointed out shortly after the collapse of the USSR, none of that history is useful at all.

Putin has done some useful things for Russia, like having a 15% flat rate income tax for all incomes. However, rather than trying to diversify Russia’s economy away from natural resource exports, he is instead concentrating Russia’s economy on natural resource exports, mostly oil and gas. He has also pushed for the cartelization of the natural resource companies into GasProm, mainly so that the government can maintain centralized control over natural resource production and, by extension, the entire Russian economy. This can only damage Russia’s long-term prospects. Likewise, Putin has made it more difficult for entrepreneurs and other business people to operate independently of the pernicious influence of the central government.

Russia has far worse problems than a few trashing pop stars.

Dugin is like many other conservatives in that he believes there is value outside of performance and productive achievement. There isn’t.

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Darryl X August 26, 2012 at 10:39

@ keyster -

“One of the wisest career moves a male acadamician, journalist or politician can make is to refer to women in only the most glowing terms, while deriding men.”

This is true. I was at university (eleven years) pursuing three higher degrees in the natural sciences. Unless a professor or his students sucked up to the feminist leadership, they were doomed to failure. Anything men have experienced outside of a university when it comes to the dishonesty and manipulation of feminism is amplified a thousand fold in a university environment.

I fought this feminist leadership very hard for all eleven years and then continued that fight into my professional career (mostly with the government). No matter what I did as a graduate student and no matter how hard I worked and despite the quality and persistence of my accomplishments as a scientist, if results did not conform to the feminist narrative and/or if credit was not given to the feminist leadership, my contributions were condemned no matter how valuable and well-received by the scientific community.

During my adult-hood, feminist instructors have misrepresented my performance on tests and in courses, lied to department heads and chains-of-command about my performance, and pursued disciplinary action against me without sense or reason or evidence of any wrong-doing. In the end, although I was knocked down hard many times and my reputation both as a scholar and a man was destroyed, the truth kept resurrecting me and these feminist nut jobs all came to pass eventually with me still the last one standing. Sometimes it took more than a decade of endurance and hard labor and suffering.

But the truth is impossible for feminists to destroy. During my adult-hood, I’ve cooperated with many like-minded men to have these feminists (mostly women but a few men) terminated from their jobs (using the very evidence that they tried to contrive against me and others) and/or neutralized and transferred to remote locations where they could no longer do any more damage and continue predating upon men. In a couple instances they have died obviously from the stress I caused them with my response to all their subterfuge, when they could no longer shoulder the burden, the consequences, of the practical realities and the monstrosities they themselves created and tried to put off on me. And I refused to shoulder the burden of their bullshit.

Confronting and dealing with and defeating feminists is very hard work. It’s a constant work in progress that requires discipline and persistence and patience. But I’ve seen it work on a small scale many times. Wish I could share some of the legal documents on this site concerning some of the cases. Unbelievable stuff. Suffice it to say, an important strategy of feminists is to inundate the system with bullshit to drive up costs and distract everyone from the real problems – themselves. An important way to respond to this strategy of theirs is to not get distracted by all the bullshit and just go after them AND their chains-of-command. Often times, these feminist nut jobs are put in between upper administration and the lower ranks to protect upper administration. Go after the upper administration. They’re the puppet masters. Feminism is a comprehensive system – a cult. Go after the top.

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TFH August 26, 2012 at 14:55

“One of the wisest career moves a male acadamician, journalist or politician can make is to refer to women in only the most glowing terms, while deriding men.”

This tell us :
a) Democracy doesn’t work. One woman’s life if worth more than 30 men’s lives, from a biological/reproductive point of view, so adding voting to that will *inevitably* lead to male slavery/destitution.

b) That women are appeased by this shows how narcissistic they are. A TV show that portrayed women badly would not be seen by a lot of men. But women have huge interest in a show that portrays men badly (and thus makes most TV shows like that).

c) Almost everything a feminist says about ‘misogyny’ is a secret desire of what THEY would like to do to men….

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Attila August 26, 2012 at 16:58

Perhaps the Buddha was right ……. have nothing to do with them.

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Common Monster August 26, 2012 at 19:19

Bonus points for showing deference to his wife and/or mother every chance he gets. “She’s the rock of the family.”, “She’s the smart one.”, “I don’t know what I’d do without her.”, etc…while deriding yourself. Saying or agreeing with “Being a mother is the hardest job in the world!”, never hurts your chances at winning grrl points either. (Keyster)

Slightly OT but funny related story… We used to have an offbeat cool black DJ at the local lilly white liberal arts college’s radio station (an NPR affiliate) who would often make short but brilliant and frequently scathing wisecracks about the NPR news stories, coming out of their hourly 5 minute breaks. Even though he was only on air a handful of hours per week, he quietly developed a loyal following, not only for his music but for spicing up the news by being a truth telling poet giving 10 second improvised stand-up commentary, which of course he wasn’t authorized to be doing.

I don’t remember exactly what grrrl power, women-are-just-as-good-as-men-except-for-all-the-ways-they’re-better story it was that day (they’re all basically the same) that broke the camel’s back, but he eventually ended up in a controversial firing for saying something like “Of course woman are better than men. My momma used to tell me that all the time!”.

I still crack up every time I think of that. -And hope he’s doing well wherever he is now many years later. It’s the perfect response in so many instances like that.

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Kent August 26, 2012 at 19:35

I honestly wonder how much longer the United States and the West can survive. There are some many social and cultural problems on so many sides it seems almost beyond correction. As for our women in the West… Until we can return to a Christian understanding of what it means to be a woman, then I don’t see things getting any better. Unfortunately, many of the Churches in the West have been seduced by a kind of liberalism “lite”. There needs to be some reform in the Church before the Church can reform the West.

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will August 26, 2012 at 19:42

Meanwhile the liberals are outraged at the stance of the anglican church in oz:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/no-place-for-spirited-women-20120826-24u8v.html

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abc August 26, 2012 at 22:32

Patriarh of russian orthodox church supports Putins regime directly. Thats why all this talk about sacralege etc.
Fun fact: russian world chess champion Garry Gasparov was arrested while giving interview about pussy riot. Cops took him to the van and beat the f*ck out of him.
Putins regime doesnt care about genders. Its about controlling everyone. My country was under communist rule, and its really discusting to see people longing for that same regime, or for that same kind of control. Longing for that good strong autocratic leader.
More fun facts: it is illegal for people from political opposition to gather in public. It is illegal for then to just walk in the park in groups.
Scandal with Pussy Riot isnt about feminism, its about former communist party leftovers trying to control Russia again.

Whiny american men couldnt keep their women in place, and now they are cheering that russia managed to subdue few feminists. Meanwhile everybody who isnt part of ruling class is getting f*cked.

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Darryl X August 27, 2012 at 04:00

@ Kent -

“I honestly wonder how much longer the United States and the West can survive.”

Unfortunately, the West can survive as long as there are innocent men to sacrifice. Our economy should have collapsed decades ago. The only way it hasn’t is because the US has been denying men benefits of the social programs to which they have made disproportionately greater contribution. And giving those benefits instead to women and other feminists who contributed nothing. Without ecducations and jobs, an increasing number of men die on the street or in prison. At the same time, the educations and jobs are worthless and even with them men are still on the street or in prison. That’s why men no longer have any incentive to pursue higher education or get jobs anymore. The costs outweigh the benefits.

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reality August 27, 2012 at 10:29

The economy has not yet crashed not because of some mystical male or female workers. But because it is still based on fiat currencies and the real crash was propped up by QE1 and 2, as well as QE3 being on the horizon. It is because we are “bernankified”. :) And that’s right – too many ppl are on welfare, and that includes immigrant men, men who recently claimed disability, many of which aren’t really disabled, the male children who get benefits through their mothers, etc. The spending includes very expensive foreign entanglements too. And it’s all on debt. That’s why the crash is not here yet.

On the topic.. technically, since men have exited the contract (and most of the Western men have by now), the women are no longer obliged to their part of it – namely, it is no longer their obligation to give men sex, love, tenderness, affection, marry them. As well as bear their children, which women are still doing – be it only 1.7 or similar, but they are still being born, raised and nursed (by older women too). So if you look at it as both sides stepping away from the contract (which is not a social construct, btw), then no one wins in the end. Maybe just the Mother Earth. :)

And male protection is not really a privilege. Because first – often times it is protection from other males, as females usually do not attack other females and don’t endanger them. So technically, by protecting the female, the males are just preventing the harm done by other males (cancelling out another male’s harmful actions against the female). If the other male wasn’t there and if he wasn’t aggressive, the female wouldn’t have to be protected. This doesn’t apply to catastrophies, but those are rare and in those cases the male can just save his females and children if he feels like it, for the females that die, tough shit, including for their husbands and fathers.

Also, by protecting the female the male secures benefits from her, such as sex and offspring, and some services. Even from older women, who are often nannies. So it’s not really a privilege or indebtedness, it’s more like give and take and in fact totally normal human behaviour. But ofc today’s Western society is becoming less and less normal. That recent article about how “men are not necessary” is a great example of that.

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lushfun August 27, 2012 at 10:35

What is kinda ignored is very simple ramifications of the conformity presented by agreeing with the liberal focal points of the west.

Once you get on the band wagon of coalitional agrement your individual prerogatives cease to take precedent because you can be constantly be shamed and appealed to take the stand of global acceptance of rules pre-made before you by others that they expect you to follow. In a sense this destroyes individualistic actions by countries and people within them. The battle for morality stops being taken in the minds of individuals but sociatal consensus of boble heads that agree on multiple lines of conduct that satisfy nobody and bind everyone. Potential of every person becomes abridged by a straight jacket of a mental make that others systemically weave over your head and actions.

Even if you take the dim view that the guy presented in the video this other aspect of freedom of action and normative acceptance and condemnation is taken away from those that care neither for nor against the ideology battle. In reality this is simply societal bullying by saying my team is the best and everyone whom does not think or act the way I do is outside the global “reality” set by … not you.

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reality August 27, 2012 at 12:11

This isn’t really a case about feminists, as these anarchofeminists are just one element in the culture that this Dugin and other old school patriarchal Russians and so called Eurasianists struggle against. They don’t want the whole modernity, including feminism and including the separation of church and state. They support absolutist powers where the state and the church, if not merge, then closely cooperate. In Russia it is going in that direction right now, where these patriarchs really have an influence in politics, this was what the Pussy Riot protested against. Dugin already mentions that if it wasn’t for these “poor girls” it could be any other “action” by anyone else, man or woman, just like that Voina stuff or any other protest / political activity on the behalf of the pro-Western Russians or what they now call the “creative class” (the liberals). He considers everyone a traitor who is pro-Western, including Medvedev (but not Putin).
There is a schism in Russia now that is not only about politics but about values. A part of the society wants to live in a Western style of democracy, while the other half, the Orthodox, does not want the moral chaos that comes along with the current Western culture. Individuals like Dugin think it would be the end of Russians.

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Ray Manta August 27, 2012 at 13:31

reality wrote:
On the topic.. technically, since men have exited the contract (and most of the Western men have by now)

If they have, who are keeping the lights on and maintaining the infrastructure? Ghosts? Your blatherings have no connection to reality.

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Darryl X August 29, 2012 at 09:55

@ reality -

I understand what you’re writing and I agree to some extent. But measures the Fed has used to prop up the government has succeeded to the point it has by stealing the resources from men who receive no public assistance and did not borrow money but instead saved and invested for the future of themselves, their families and the country.

Printing money gives the Fed and governments fiat cash to give to women who did not save and invest while at the same time it accelerates the decline in value of savings and investment of men who did not receive public assistance and who did not borrow from banks. The Fed and governments are robbing Peter to pay Paul and consolidating their power-base – women and feminists.

They are literally taking over the government and the country and the developed world at the expense of the lives and livelihoods of honest men (non-feminists). Warren Buffet said about our current economic crisis, “Many responsible people are going to pay for a lot of other irresponsible people.” But it’s actually worse than that as governments are actually not just making responsible people (mostly men and non-feminists) pay for irresponsible people (mostly women and feminists), but they are punishing the responsible people for being responsible and being too poor anymore to pay and discouraging anyone from being responsible in the future, undermining our civilization even more.

In that way, the government grabs power from the people. It needs to go. Most people do not understand this dynamic. It’s not a conspiracy. These people are addicted to power and control and latch onto pretty much any mechanism that helps them satisfy their addiction. They’re evil. They are malignant narcissists. It’s what they do.

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Opus August 30, 2012 at 13:08

I was having a coffee today with a friend just returned from vacation and we were outside watching the world go by, and so, by good fortune (apart from being amused by the antices of the local weathergirl doing a photoshoot) my Russian friend the former Soviet was passing and stopped. He engaged my other friend in concersation about Pussy Riot, and explained how Russians viewed it. I was not particularily interested but used the opportunity to ask him about Russian churches.

I asked him, ” If I had been in the city you come from (and it is neither Petersburg or Moscow – but a large city nevertheless) in say 1960, would I have been able to see any churches? His answer was a very affirmative Yes. He regretted however that many country churches had been turned into places to store grain or cattle – that however is a not uncommon fate to country churches even in England. Let us not forget that Russia became industrialised and urbanised in the Twentieth Century and thus the countryside was (from the point of view of habitation) partially abandoned.

It therefore appears to me that my views about Russian Christianity were correct. My Russian friend would not, I think, be a believer, by the way.

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