Background on Sweden and Extradition

by W.F. Price on August 17, 2012

Some columnists are claiming Assange must be guilty, because nobody would ever have a reason to fear extradition from Sweden, the Swedes wouldn’t allow it, they always look after human rights, etc.

Here’s an example from the Guardian:

The press chief of the Swedish foreign ministry said on Thursday that the fear of Ecuador’s foreign minister that Assange would be sent on to the US by the Swedes, and even be executed, are utterly groundless…

Actually, there’s historical precedent for Sweden doing just that. After WWII, a number of Baltic prisoners of war who had escaped to Sweden in the final days of the war were turned over to the USSR to face death or the gulag.

The Baltic states had been seized and occupied by the USSR first in 1939 due to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, and then briefly occupied until the German invasion of the USSR in 1941. Because the Soviet occupation of Baltic states was particularly brutal, featuring mass deportations, a number of Balts took up arms with the Wehrmacht, hoping to rid their country of Communism and then assert their independence after the war. This is similar to the strategy Finland adopted with some success prior to full-scale war on the Eastern Front. Unfortunately for the Balts (and everyone else who lived in the area), WWII devolved into total war, and the Red Army’s triumph crushed their dreams of freedom from Soviet occupation.

Of those who managed to escape from the final, brutal battles of the Courland Pocket, which resulted in over a half-million casualties, a few made their way to Sweden. Some others, who escaped duty in Courland, were fortunate enough to surrender to Western powers, where they were often assigned guard duty in occupied Germany, generally working for the US Army.

Only about 150 made it to Sweden, but they hoped they would be spared the Soviet reprisals that followed the surrender of Army Group Courland. The Baltic soldiers had good reason to fear the Soviets; because the Baltic countries were annexed and declared part of the USSR, all who had taken up arms against the USSR were considered traitors and faced summary execution. The surrendering German soldiers, while not facing particularly pleasant prospects, were at least treated as prisoners of war with the right to return home after some period of forced labor.

So, Sweden had these Baltic soldiers in its hands after the war, and Stalin was putting a lot of pressure on the Swedes to turn them over. The Western powers had already refused to hand over Baltic soldiers they had captured, despite Soviet demands, but it didn’t take Sweden long to cave in and hand theirs over to Stalin. Although not all were put to death, many were, and plenty of others died in Siberia. Perhaps the one thing that saved them from being slaughtered wholesale was the fact that this particular incident garnered a fair amount of attention in the Western press.

Some 50 years later, when the Baltic states finally regained independence, Sweden finally apologized for its moral failure. However, if I were Julian Assange, I wouldn’t count on the Swedes never doing the same thing again.

And anyway, the US doesn’t need Assange in its own territory. If he ends up in a Swedish prison, there will be plenty of time to work on him behind closed doors.

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Keyster August 17, 2012 at 10:32

It’s not a matter of what country he’s in as much as it is whether he’s safe from the USA being able to kidnap him. Under house arrest is protection, so is the Ecuador embassy, and so is a Swedish jail for as long as he might be in it.

Suffice to say the USA would like to at least “talk to him” about his activities, which at worst embarrased several diplomats. Our government has far-reaching tentacles of power and influence to merely pluck him from wherever he might be and haul him back for questioning, if not charges…once he’s a “free” man. We won’t have to bother with pesky little details like extradition treaties, if he’s not in custody.

BUT, if he’s prosecuted for publishing “leaked” classified material, then the NYTimes should also be prosecuted for publishing classified information given to them by the White House…otherwise it’s a double-standard. Oh the wicki-webs we weave!

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Gx1080 August 17, 2012 at 10:36

Lefties always sell Sweeden as an utopia of equalitarianism. So, in other words, is a totalitarian state and if Assange does gets extradited, is going to be a one-way ticket to a torture cell of the CIA.

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Opus August 17, 2012 at 10:47

You may have been under the impression that The (Manchester) Guardian is a highly respected newspaper, whose word was beyond reproach, but I must tell you, that beyond being famous for its poor compositing – somehow Musorgsky takes on a different colour when (according to the Grauniad – as we call it) his famous Opera is re-christened Doris Gudonov – maybe it’s about his Mum ?

It is also so left wing that even Lenin, Trotsky, or Stalin would have cancelled their subscriptions; the Newspaper business is however in terminal decline; the copywriters and editorials are written by men and women only just graduated from Universities. I realise that what I am going to say now concerned The Independent and not The Guardian (they vie with each other for political correctness) but, some years ago their leader-writer traced the origins of Opera to the concert halls of mid-nineteenth century central europe – whereas previously, as all educated people know, it had always been traced to the Ducal courts of of late 16th century Italy – so you can see the lamentable standards that prevail in Fleet Street.

In short, The Guardian is (or would be if they still existed) a Music-Hall joke. I promise you that if I were to announce later this evening to my buddies that what ever I said I had read in the Guardian, I would be laughed at.

Still one has to get ones news from somewhere. And as we know the life of one never mind two persons does not add up to a hill of beans. I believe you have a personal assistant on Baltic affairs?

The British are no better, however, when it comes to handing over people. The present Count Tolstoy lost a libel case a few years back when he asserted in Print that Lord Aldington had at the end of the second world war sent a vast number of Yugoslavs to their deaths by handing them over to the Russians. Tolstoy (who like all the Tolstoys is as batty as a bag of stoats) lost, but every one says he was right.

Why don’t they organise a diplomatic swap – Assange for Pussy Riot. Assange goes clear and we get hot pussy to amuse ourselves for a while.

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dragnet August 17, 2012 at 10:47

Great post.

But you don’t have to go all the way back to WWII to find examples of Swedish perfidy. During the Bush administration, Sweden authorities handed over two Egyptians to CIA operatives to be tortured in Cairo. This was done after coming under pressure from US authorities.

Sweden is a small, fairly unimportant country that routinely bows to pressure from larger, more bullying powers. This should not surprise anyone with any meaningful grasp on international affairs.

It is also worth pointing out that Sweden’s justice system is profoundly illiberal in some respects. For instance, Sweden authorities are empowered to hold suspects for a fairly lengthy period of time without charges and without access to legal representation. And for certain kinds of alleged crimes, the ability of the defendant to question the plantiff is severly curtailed, etc.

Assange is right to fear the powers arrayed against him—I wish him all the best.

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Wilson August 17, 2012 at 10:59

Sweden also cooperated with the USA’s rendition/torture program. They claim that they don’t do it anymore, but all you can expect from them is a “sincere apology” after Assange is executed.

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Rebel August 17, 2012 at 11:15

First, I believe that Assange was fully aware of the risks he was taking when he published on Wikileaks.

Second, I expect him to be added to the collection of prisoners in Guantanamo in the not too far future.

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greyghost August 17, 2012 at 11:35

sweden survives by playing neutral. People like that can never be trusted on anything.

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Gilgamesh August 17, 2012 at 12:49

Funny, Ecuador is a small country too and they seem to be standing up to the British (who are threatening to raid their embassy) just fine.

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zed August 17, 2012 at 13:19

sweden survives by playing neutral. People like that can never be trusted on anything.

Are you sure you are thinking of Sweden and not Switzerland?

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walking in hell2 August 17, 2012 at 15:24

Maybe all of us persecuted and beaten down fathers trapped in America should apply for asylum in Ecuador.

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Darryl X August 17, 2012 at 15:42

@ Rebel -

Assange was as fully aware of the risks he was taking in publishing wikileaks as the US was in pursuing such diplomatic dishonesty and manipulation. Assange is a hero for having not just the courage to do what he did knowing the potential consequences but the ability to expose the US for what it is. The US has many more notches to be taken down before we’re done. The US abandoned any honor a long time ago. And Gilgamesh is correct: funny how a little country like Ecuador is willing to stand up against a big bully like the US and Sweden isn’t. There’s more to the participants in this development than size. There is principal and integrity. And the US has none of those either. The US is nothing but a big bully and a post-feminist dystopian police state with a huge military and nuclear weapons. But no brains or integrity to back them up. See how long we last.

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Darryl X August 17, 2012 at 15:46

Having written what I did (Darryl X August 17, 2012 at 15:42), I sometimes wonder if Ecuador has ulterior motives. It’s currency after all is the US dollar. Perhaps Ecuador will extradite Assange to the US immediately after he gets there. There must be a practical reason why Assange chose the Ecquadorian embassy for refuge. As opposed to any other. Does anyone know why?

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Balzac August 17, 2012 at 15:54

Sweden was neutral in WWII.

And so was Switzerland.

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TFH August 17, 2012 at 15:58

Sweden is a small, fairly unimportant country that routinely bows to pressure from larger, more bullying powers.

‘Stockholm Syndrome’ could have been named after any city…

But Stockholm is the one that got chosen for the tag..

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Abelard Lindsey August 17, 2012 at 16:16

Also, don’t forget about the “Lienz” Cossacks.

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Darryl X August 17, 2012 at 18:04

@ walking in hell2 -

“Maybe all of us persecuted and beaten down fathers trapped in America should apply for asylum in Ecuador.”

In my pursuit of a solution to my dilemma (and that of others), I have often pondered the consequences of walking into the Ecuadorian embassy (or the Cuban embassy in Canada or the Nicaraguan embassy or the Bolivian embassy or any embassy for that matter) and asking for asylum. I have actually written to the Cuban embassy and Costa Rican embassy. They were not supportive. But I wonder what would happen if I went in there with the documents to show how severely screwed up and oppressive our government is – they already know. I wonder what would happen if a bunch of us went in there. I wonder what would happen if a bunch of us went to the Ecuadorian embassy in the US in support of Assange. That’s a man who could use some support. He must be going through hell right now. Needs a little lift.

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American August 17, 2012 at 18:35

A little off topic, but was just thinking to myself thats its near perverse (and maybe even un-constitutional) for American law enforcement to be using protocol perversions and semantics games to hide the elevated levels of domestic violence in lesbian relationships from the public’s view.
How sick and perverse is American society going to get, before the “sex and gender social engineers” who are ultimately behind the “manufactured statistics” that American law enforcement are churning out; are called out on the carpet for what they are doing???
Why is it so important for the “sex and gender constructionists” to manufacture statistics that erroneously paint the picture that hetero-males are way more violent than they really are; while also painting the erroneous picture that American lesbian couples are gentle and benevolent (when they really are not).

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Common Monster August 17, 2012 at 19:03

The prez of Ecuador has also declared war on the Drug Wars (citing the massive crime and corruption prohibition causes) and wants to legalize them there. I don’t know if there’s any direct connection to asylumizing Assange, but it’s another poke in the eye of the US government. Heads of state throughout the rest of the Americas have always made a name for themselves doing stuff like this, and now it’s his turn.

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piercedhead August 17, 2012 at 19:23

Sometimes I have an old-fashioned attack of male logic and think to myself “If Julian Assange has breached British law, and we like the idea of a nation of laws, then no matter how much I sympathise with him, the law is the law. Off to Sweden with him”.

Then I ask myself “If Julian Assange were a woman, let’s say of Middle Eastern extraction, and she was wanted by an Islamic jurisdiction for their idea of sexual offending – eg having an adulterous affair – would Britain be so particular about its laws being honoured, knowing that by rendering her to an Islamic court for a crime that is not illegal in Britain may result in her getting stoned to death?”.

Then I say “like bloody hell. The Brits would drop their precious laws in a second and grant her asylum themselves”.

Si I say hooray to Julian Assange, and I wish him all the very best. Thanks feminists for keeping me in touch with my feminine side, and saving me from condemning a brother due to misguided masculine ethics.

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Rocco August 17, 2012 at 19:47

It’s good to see the MRM identifying Sweden as one of the biggest threats against men.

If the US captures Assanage he will be tortured and will never see the light of day, forever in Guantanimo bay.

The US people will yawn and not notice a thing, it’s not like Cable TV went out.

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zed August 17, 2012 at 19:57

“Sweden was neutral in WWII.”

Thanks for the info, Balzac. Never too late to learn some history. I had always assumed that the Nazis occupied all of Northern Europe.

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Ecclesiastes August 17, 2012 at 20:31

Assange hasn’t broken any US Law that I’m aware of. The US has been brandishing an Espionage charge, but for that the prosecution would have to prove which enemy of the US Assange was spying FOR.

ON the other hand, thanks to George W Bush’s precious Patriot Act, and Obama’s demonstrated opinion that the law is anything he can get past a judge, Assange may, in fact, be in some danger.

Camp Delta at Guantanamo Bay is still open.

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The Whammer August 17, 2012 at 21:15

Stockholm Syndrome’ could have been named after any city…

But Stockholm is the one that got chosen for the tag..

Because that’s where the bank robbery and hostages occurred. lol

Sweden was neutral in WWII.

And so was Switzerland

And the reason that they could remain neutral was because they both could mobilise a large army quickly.They also both still draft men. And it’s that that deters invasions. The Nazies may have been able to invade but the cost would be too high for them. Same with the Soviets. Sweden used to have an air force during the cold war that was in the top 5 in the world.
Sweden only has 10 m people but they say that they could assemble an army of 3/4m quickly and they do draft men. Same with Switzerland and I’ll have to ask one of my cousins but I think you have to fight up to the age of 60!

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Prof. Woland August 17, 2012 at 23:21

Assange is confronting what I refer to as a 3rd degree rape change. If this were a real crime he would have real due process rights and there would be a real legal consequence if convicted. But the whole purpose is not to legally punish the accused so much as to make their personal life difficult. Once embroiled in the legal system for such a “crime”, it is much easier to be fired, sued, deported, bankrupted, lose child custody and so forth. It is the States way of pressuring someone who is either politically incorrect or in the wrong class of individuals. Normally, this type of law would be used in a divorce or custody battle against men or to make an example of someone who crossed powerful well connected people so it is ironic that it is now being used to attack a left wing icon like Julian Assange. He is a slippery character who illegally leaks confidential information and then hides behind privacy laws and international extradition laws to escape justice. From a Men’s Rights perspective it is unfortunate he is getting nailed for this specific crime but it appears that he is finally being hoisted upon his own petard.

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Hf August 17, 2012 at 23:22

@Darryl X

His current situation being as fucked up as it is, Im just not seeing Assange as a hero because hero’s dont put 1000′s of people’s lives at risk just to expose information, while said exposer is safe and sound screwing swedish chicks.

On the notch thing- It will take many more notches before you are done with what, exactly? If Im understanding you correctly, you think the US’s influence in the world is a whole lot less than it actually is.

The world’s economies depend on trade. The US is a nation of consumption with an economy larger than the next 5 economies combined (excluding China…China has a known history of fudging the numbers). The US imported more than $220Billion in the month of June. Multiply that number by 9, and you get a number that’s larger than the entire UK economy!

The US absolutely controls world trade, and not just because of the fact that we consume more than any other nation. Not to mention, there are many more currencies tied directly to the US Dollar than Ecuador’s alone.

Assange didnt damage the US, not even one notch, but rather, he pissed off some politicians in positions of power. I am, however, glad to hear he has asylum, if it is for these shitty trumped up rape charges, but he is far from a hero.

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Andreas Karlsson August 18, 2012 at 02:25

I’m from Sweden and laughed at your article.

Really, referring to some incident from WWII?

We’re not legally allowed to turn Assange over to USA because they have the death penalty.

Also, because of the way the law works, it’s the UK that has the final word on whether Assange should be turned over, not Sweden.

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W.F. Price August 18, 2012 at 03:06

I’m from Sweden and laughed at your article.

Really, referring to some incident from WWII?

We’re not legally allowed to turn Assange over to USA because they have the death penalty.

Also, because of the way the law works, it’s the UK that has the final word on whether Assange should be turned over, not Sweden.

-Andreas

Well, if you prefer you can check out the rendering links some readers provided, wherein Sweden turned people over to the CIA for torture in Egypt.

Of course you can turn Assange over to the US. All we have to do is promise not to execute him, and then we’re free to keep him in a supermax prison for as long as we please.

The Whammer August 18, 2012 at 03:26

He is a slippery character who illegally leaks confidential information and then hides behind privacy laws and international extradition laws to escape justice

But the case in Sweden and the reason for extradition is for some questioning about some alleged “rape” not those other things you mentioned. This whole incident is just some roundabout way to shut him up and perhaps allow him to be interrogated by US agents either in Sweden or somewhere else. They obviously want to find out who leaked information to him.And since he does not work in US government or is a citizen the US really has no jurisdiction to prosecute him even if he did release state secrerts. You can be sure that any info they get out of him will be obtained in some secret and illegal interogation. This trumped up rape allegation was just done to discredit him in the public opinion.
Another thing, we can’t permit the government to just classify anything they want as top secret without the members of the Senate to first see it and decide if it’s really something that needs to be kept secret for national security or if it’s just something they want to hide to protect their own unlawful activities. Many times the CIA is violating US law as in the Iran-Contra affair (and possible the president was too) and the citizens have a right to know this. Or are we just going to allow a president, an elected official, and some appointed irector of the CIA to make their own laws even after Congress prohibited arms trading and aid to the Contras.
The US just wanted to topple Saddam and all of the propaganda leading up to the invasion were lies. There were no weapons of mass destruction and any weapons Saddam had were permitted under the treaty that ended the Gulf War for defence. The other weapons were destroyed and the UN inspecctors never found anything new. The US didn’t like this so through the government controlled US media (no you have no free press) they tried to demane one of the chief inspectors as being a pedophile. Don’t remember that? Then you have the same attention span and memory as the average idiot. They also spread disinformation leading up to the invasion of Iraq about all of the nasty things Saddam was doing and there was very little truth to any of it and based on rival members of parties who also wanted to take over and get Saddam out.
Saddam was put on trial but not for any of the nasty stuff like torture rooms or alleged gassing of Kurds. He was tried under the direction of the US by people who were rival party members and for an alleged crime that occurred years ago. There was an assination attempt on him years ago and where some of his people were killed. Yes, he took revenge and killed about a 100 of these people after some trial in a kangaroo court and where they were likely guilty anyway. He got about the same sort of trial under the US controlled Iraqii government under a better staged veneer of legality.
He was convicted and quickly executed so we never heard about the gassings and other stuff he was alleged to have done. Very convenient.
Iraq has 1/5 of the world’s oil and oil is always traded in US dollars but Saddam was making noises about trading it in another currency and that was the reason they had to get him out not some fictitious weapons of mass destruction. Other oil producing countries may have joined him and that would have ruined the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency and its value.
The story the media publishes is rarely the real story since governments including the US control the press behind the scenes by disinformation or by simply omiting the real story.
Obviously Assuage was publishing some reals fact or they wouldn’t be so adament about going after him and shutting him up. Dumb proles are only permitted to read the official government version of the news.
Elections in the US are a sham and just a big show to give the impression of a democraccy. Why are there only 2 parties listed as permanent parties which means that they are exempt from the requirements of getting on the ballot? Political parties are really only like clubs for people backing a certain candidate and should be required to meet certain rules in every election along with anyone else who wants to run. To keep frivolous candidates out and not clog up ballots with a 100 names we can set fairly stringent requirements like getting x numbers of signatures and paying a hefty fee to get on the ballot in each state and your position on the ballot would be by drawing lots. This way a candidate like Dr. Paul could run under his own name without having to use one of the 2 parties. Both parties collude in keeping anyone else off the ballot in the States. If there was no majority for a candidate then we’d hold a run off election with the top 2.

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American August 18, 2012 at 06:06

Proffessor Woland says..
“Normally, this type of law would be used in a divorce or custody battle against men or to make an example of someone who crossed powerful well connected people so it is ironic that it is now being used to attack a left wing icon like Julian Assange.”

American say, Its erroneous to believe that the White Gender-Raunch community is a left wing benevolent equal type of community, because they are not.
White Gender-raunch want “equality” for white Gender-raunch. They want a socialist equality, and fat pork state and federal bureaucratic pork bloating jobs for white gender-raunch, and are purging all who are not n”Sexually correct”.
I believe this is kinda what happened to German socialism in the 40′s.
The bottom line here folks is, It is perverse, and maybe even un-constitutional for the American Gender, gender-raunch community to be inflaming the public against the hetero-male with their “Manufactured statistics”.
The most effective tool to date for the Empowerment of American gender, gender-raunch, is their manufactured statistics Alliance with American law enforcement. This manufactured statistics Alliance may not make the 6 oclock news any time soon, but there are Real academics from around the world who are watching.

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Rocco August 18, 2012 at 06:13

@ Zed

As I don’t like the poisonous matriarchy of Sweden I will point out that there were truley no neutral contries in WWII, especially so close to Germany, and I’m not the only one who thinks so.

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greyghost August 18, 2012 at 06:19

Neutrality is also based on what an invader gets for his trouble. Sometimes you get what you need or would invade for without the cost. A booty call so to speak. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_during_World_War_II

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Darryl X August 18, 2012 at 06:44

@ Prof. Wolland -

Your description of the 3rd degree rape charge and its real purpose is similar here in the US with “indication” for child abuse by child protective services (government agencies). Since there is never any evidence that a man has done anything wrong and investigation is based solely upon another person’s false accusation (almost always a woman), there can never be a real investigation and charges and due process and a trial and all that. After the man is “indicated”, many aspects of his life are restricted from that point on and he has no legal recourse because this is not the law. Child protective services operate above the law. They can do anything they want without compliance with or deference to any law. So a man has no recourse. US governments use child protective services and “indications” for child abuse the way Sweden uses 3rd degree rape. All these mechanisms are created to manipulate and enslave men and divert public resources from them to a woman even though the man contributed disproportionately more to the programs. Our governments are evil and the only way they can be stopped is by force.

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Darryl X August 18, 2012 at 06:54

@ Hf -

“His current situation being as fucked up as it is, Im just not seeing Assange as a hero because hero’s dont put 1000′s of people’s lives at risk just to expose information, while said exposer is safe and sound screwing swedish chicks.”

Screwing Swedish chicks aside, I am sympathetic to your argument and can’t say that I haven’t considered the merits of it myself. But then I always get to the realization that the lies and manipulation exposed by Assange are not nearly as destructive as the lies and manipulation themselves which he is exposing. If you don’t want your lies to be exposed, don’t lie. The US government (and other western governments) have done horrible things. Those horrible things and the background of them and motives need to be exposed. Assange is just exposing the truth that everyone should and many probably already do know. The truth should never be regarded as more dangerous than any lies. The means never justify the ends. The US has been committed to decades if not centuries of manipulating and deceiving other governments and their people. If they are so great and powerful, then why do they have to resort to such dishonest tactics to remain in power. Answer: they shouldn’t be in power.

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Darryl X August 18, 2012 at 07:06

@ Hf -

“The world’s economies depend on trade. The US is a nation of consumption with an economy larger than the next 5 economies combined…”

The US consumes too much. Even too much of a good thing will kill you. The average American lives like a pig at a trough. We ought to be ashamed (not me because I’m relatively poor by the standards of most countries when you consider my income to productivity to cost of living). I subscribe to Biblical scripture which promotes a vow of poverty. Yes the US consumes and consumption drives trade. But the ratio of what we produce (depending on how that is measured) to what we consume is relatively small compared to many countries. And trade is not the only thing which defines a nation’s relevance and power and contribution to civilization. Although it is important. I’ll argue that trading in intellect and scholar has a lot more to do with a country’s prosperity and relevance and power and contribution to civilization than trading in cocaine or widgets. The US by all standards historically and presently is an intellectual or scholastic light-weight. But we do trade a lot in cocaine. A lot more of that than scholar. Too bad for us and everyone else.

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Darryl X August 18, 2012 at 07:33

@ The Whammer re August 18, 2012 at 03:26 -

Good info and analysis…

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walking in hell2 August 18, 2012 at 08:36

Events such as the Assange extradition attempt only serve to shine the light on how poorly America treats men.

The long-term incarceration rate of America was around 200/100,000 before increasing 30 years ago.

The incarceration rate on the European continent is around 100/100,000. If we assume that Europe sets the humane standard, then there are around 700 out of 100,000 people that are wrongly incarcerated in America. That number works out to around 2,397,840 million people–of course, most of these are men.

Here are some historical incarceration rates of totalitarian regimes.

South Africa Apartheid (1993):
368/100,000

Soviet Union (1934 to 1953):
estimates: 369/100,000 to 800/100,000

Nazi Germany (1933 to 1940):
estimates 300/100,000 to 1,614/100,000

North Korea
833/100,000

USA:
776/100,000

Louisiana:
1,619/100,000

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Opus August 18, 2012 at 08:36

It is a bit rich of Andreas Karlsson, to suggest that the final word over the expediting to Sweden of Assange rests with the United Kingdom. The U.K. has various international obligations including an extradition treaty with Sweden, whereby, we agree to hand over to Sweden people wanted by Sweden – we do not seek to judge their reasons. As far as I am aware Assange has not committed any crime here (except perhaps breaking bail by putting himself out of U.K. reach in the Ecuadorian embassy – which he was prompted to do by Sweden’s actions against him).

It is Sweden who have gone to extraordinary lengths to seek Assange to enable him to explain why two women are not satisfied with his love-making technique (for that really is all it amounts to). ‘He failed to satisfy me’ is all those two strong empowered women complain of.

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walking in hell2 August 18, 2012 at 09:12

Here is an NPR series about Supermaxx and solitary confinement in America.

Although the articles paint a picture of public awareness of the prison problem, the date of the series is 2006; that is six years ago, and things have actually gotten worse.

Men’s rights will continue to deteriorate until some sort of internal collapse happens.

http://www.npr.org/series/5584841/life-in-solitary-confinement

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Darryl X August 18, 2012 at 09:44

OT Interesting developments concerning the exchange of fiat currency and stocks for gold by our wealthy elite (the ones who stole our money in the first place). Also about the purchase of large volumes of hollow-point bullets by DHS and the IRS (huh?). Incidentally, agencies for child support enforcement in the US have more armed agents than Dept of Immigration and ATF combined. Why? Lots of things happening right now. None of it looks good for people like me.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/startling-evidence-that-central-banks-and-wall-street-insiders-are-rapidly-preparing-for-something-big

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ode August 18, 2012 at 12:09

Gx1080

Lefties always sell Sweeden as an utopia of equalitarianism. So, in other words, is a totalitarian state and if Assange does gets extradited, is going to be a one-way ticket to a torture cell of the CIA.

A Liberal once told me the ideal economic model was where the state imposses high taxes on the rich. I replied name any nation that has achieved economic wealth doing such a stupid thing.
The Liberal replied, “Sweden and the rest of the Nordic countries.”

I had to educate this Liberal and pointed out that the corporate tax rate in Sweden is less than 30% same for the rest of the Nordic countries: Norway, Finland, Denmark, and Iceland. Since Sweden actually has low taxes on big businesses it cannot be said that Sweden became prosperous by taxing the rich heavily.
see corporate tax rate chart

The Liberal scoffed at my argument and refused to acknowledge the facts.
There are 2 types of people in this world:
– The first spends their life searching for the truth and wherever the facts leads them to, so let it be.
– The second spends their life with a preconceived notion of what the world is suppose to be like and they are incapable of seeing any facts that do not compliment their ideology

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walking in hell2 August 18, 2012 at 12:46

@darrylx

“In my pursuit of a solution to my dilemma (and that of others), I have…”

Here is another idea. You can put this on your email to the president.

Call it it the “Homeland Exile” act–enacted to make America safer by removing the threat and burden of American men from American soil.

It is an established fact that American men are hated by the American government. Similarly American women hate American men, and also harbor a fear against them. This hatred and fear is manifested by the vilification of fathers, biased divorce courts, prison incarceration rates, biased media portrayal, repressed education curriculum, etc.

Hatred and fear of American men is now as American as hot dogs and apple pie; there is no changing the culture of hatred and fear. For us men, the trends are only getting worse: Male incarceration rates are the highest in the world and increasing; male suicide rates are increasing; male jobless rates are increasing, male poverty and homelessness are increasing.

We men know we are hated; we know we are not wanted; we know there is no place for us in America’s future; we know we cannot achieve even the basics of a normal life (wife, children, stable employment, retirement security). Furthermore, we are peaceful, and we don’t wish to cause anyone discomfort or make anyone feel revolted or afraid by our presence.

In the past, those who were hated and despised by society, Lepers, Christians, Jews, etc, were exiled.

If American society hates us men so much, why not sponsor our exile? Why not provide us a small stipend that would allow us to get started in another country; then when we are set up, we will in good faith, renounce our American citizenship, and promise never to come back to America again. Certainly this is a better long-term public policy than continuing to hate and fear us.

For the 3 million or so incarcerated men who could not, and can’t make a life in America according to the rules, why not purchase a large piece of land in South America or Africa, and allow the men to colonize the land. Isn’t this much more cost effective than paying large amounts of money to incarcerate 3 million men? Isn’t this safer than releasing the men into the general population? Wouldn’t such a policy do wonders for America’s bad reputation as a human-rights-violating prison state?

Exiling undesirable men and prisoners is a win-win-win deal: the American women win because they will have much fewer men to hate and be afraid of; the America men win because they will be hated less, and have a less worse future; and the government wins, because it does not have to deal with a mass of men who it can’t pay social security for, and who don’t have jobs, and who it despises.

With such a policy, we all be less unhappy, and less afraid.

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Native Swede August 18, 2012 at 12:47

While I can’t say I’m much impressed by my compatriots outburst above, this article reads pretty false to me as well. The central issue is this: nobody really cares in Sweden. I’m sure they managed to scare up some government mangina to hu-hum on tv, saying it’s just terrible how Assange won’t face trial, but you had to dig really deep into the newspapers to find those developments. The whole thing vanished off the media radar almost immediately. The Russian fubar with Pussy Riot gets orders of magnitude more media play, and who’s doing who among the local celebrities gets another order of magnitude exposure up from that.

In fact, I suspect everybody who’s anybody in the government is very happy to put this whole thing to rest. It’s very probable that between pressures from the US and the natural reaction of the feminist establishment, the feminist bureaucracy jumped on the bandwagon just a tad too eagerly, and were surprised and dismayed when they discovered how much play this whole thing gets elsewhere, further realizing that this meant they couldn’t do a “bad men, but Big Daddy State will protect the wiminfolk, never fear!” show trial. Having Assange disappear without having to officially back down or having to go through with a trial that would either acquit, severely discomfiting the feminist establishment, or else become an international embarrassment suits the powers that be just fine.

Still, I’m happy for Mr. Assange. While I would have appreciated what a trial did to our local feminist potentates, he has certainly highlighted these issues enough as is.

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Norm August 18, 2012 at 13:37

The former great UK is the same country that let the Libyans leave their embassy after one of their staff shot a police officer outside the embassy watching protestors.
BTW -The US Gestapo kidnapped an Ecuadorina citizen(US born) a few years ago and brought him to Florida to stand trial in a Kangaroo court. His crime was getting many people cured of certain types of cancer. Can’t have that now can we.

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jaego August 18, 2012 at 13:50

The United States turned over to Stalin hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans who had fought for the Allies after fleeing the Soviet Union. It was called Operation Keelhaul. It shows the complete rotteness of our System even at that early date.

We continued with massive aid to the Soviet Union for years – even when they were equiping North Vietnam during the Vietnam War. I think things like this are called “Managed Conflict”. They weaken nations and strengthen the Elite.

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Darryl X August 18, 2012 at 16:10

@ jaego -

I like the spirit of your last post. If I’m not mistaken, during WWII, the Central Banks funded both sides of the war. It’s safe to write that if they had not funded both sides, there would have been no war. The banks always make money off conflict. They stoke the fires of conflict and charge countries for the pokers and promote peace at the same time, charging both sides at the same time for that too. If it weren’t for the Central Banks, there would likely be no conflict in the world or if there was it would be legitimate grievances. Most of our wars today are for nothing but getting rich people richer.

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Darryl X August 18, 2012 at 16:14

@ walking in helll2 -

Check your e-mail for my response – LOL.

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Darryl X August 18, 2012 at 16:27

@ ode -

“A Liberal once told me the ideal economic model was where the state imposses high taxes on the rich. I replied name any nation that has achieved economic wealth doing such a stupid thing.”

I could be wrong but please review your history of the US. During the times of the “Robber Barrons” (Carnegie, Rockefeller and the like) who borrowed huge amounts of money from the European Central Banks and then built steel or railroad empires (notice how I wrote that they built steel and railroad empires but did not “invent” steep or railroads) and then got sickeningly rich off from them by making the public pay for the interest on the loans.

These were not self-made men. They were not real men. They were called “Robber Barrons” for a reason. They stole from the public coffers. Same with Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and the rest of them. When the “Robber Barrons” were robbing the public coffers, tax rates in the US for men like that were very low. Then in response to their violation of the public trust and dishonesty and criminal and immoral behavior, tax rates were raised to I think to 90%. Then they were lowered to 72% and then to the current 33% under Reagan (which no rich people who steal from the public coffers actually pay anyway because they have off-shore accounts and invest in stocks – which is another big problem all together).

The US was most prosperous and most productive and most self-sufficient and civilized when tax rates were the highest on the rich. It offset their propensity for finding loopholes to steal from the public coffers, for passing their debts onto the rest of the public who did not borrow money and who were not dishonest. And for taking huge risks with the money of other people. And then delivering nothing in return.

Today, our country is in decline because the rich are not paying their fair share. But worse, they are making men like me pay it for them. And they are producing nothing of value in return while men like me who do produce something critical for maintaining and advancing civilization and promoting the soverignty of this country (US) get screwed. It’sen like me and not Bill Gates who are the foundation of this country. Bill Gates just borrowed huge amounts of money from the Central Banks and then violated Anti-Trust Regulations. Any fool can do that and make a bundle. But some of us aren’t fools and have a conscience and won’t steal from others.

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Darryl X August 18, 2012 at 16:33

@ walking in hell2 re August 18, 2012 at 08:36 -

These stats are absolutely staggering. They really tell a frightening story about the US. I wonder if other people around the world are aware of this. And your numbers do not include those in the penal system but not in prison or jail which is another five-million men in addition to the two-million in prison or jail. Police state, anyone? Anyone? Please. Do I hear a second on that?

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Thos. August 18, 2012 at 17:30

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/scientists-closer-birth-control-pill-men/t/story?id=17028071

The male ‘pill’ gets closer and closer.

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The Whammer August 18, 2012 at 17:58

@Jeago- Britain had to turn over USSR nationals after WWII and in fact there were KGB agents in England trying to locate them and also on the ships that they were sent back to Russia in where they would just take away any clothes and goods that the British had given them. Remember that that Soviets were allies at that time.
After the end of WWII there were allied soldiers and POW’s in what was now Soviet occupied territory. Churchill’s firstobjective was to get them back and Stalin was demanding the return of all Soviets in British jurisdiction so they were really forced to go along with Stalin’s demands.And it wasn’t just the Soviets that fought for the Germans who were killed but even Russian POW”s or anyone who ended up by chance in the West. Stalin thought they were spies. The British ships carried these people to Odessa and from accounts of seamen these people were taken to warehouses and just shot.

This is why John Demjanjuk who was just a guard at some Nazi camp lied about some things. He was afraid of being sent back to the USSR and killed.

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The Whammer August 18, 2012 at 18:02

If you haven’t already read it, Pussy Riot got 2 years imprisonment :)

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Zorro August 18, 2012 at 18:02

Fuck Sweden.

There. I said it.

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Darryl X August 18, 2012 at 18:30

@ Native Swede -

“In fact, I suspect everybody who’s anybody in the government is very happy to put this whole thing to rest.”

Then everybody who’s anybody in the government can withdraw the request for extradition of Assange from Sweden. But they haven’t done that. And they won’t. The weapon of false allegations used by feminist governments is too easy and has no consequences so they can continue pursuing its application in this instance and any others until it has the desired effect. It’s like many legal maneuvers. Just keep filing motions until the process becomes so expensive and disabling for your adversary that they just give up. That’s why the only way to stop feminists is with force. And until the MRM graduates to that level, it will accomplish nothing. There is no political, legal, social or financial solution to our dilemma. Sweden, the UK and the US have already won when it comes to Assange. They’ve already accomplished what they set out to. It’s like any false allegation. Even if a man is acquitted of it, his life is pretty much over anyway. Maybe that won’t happen here and I hope it doesn’t. But that’s the way I’d bet.

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Darryl X August 18, 2012 at 18:38

@ Zorro -

“Fuck Sweden.”

Well, I wouldn’t exactly go that far but the Swedish men are on the front lines of this feminist mess and they haven’t done anything about it so far which makes it hard for anyone else to. So I’m starting to lose sympathy for Swedish men. Maybe they haven’t got it as bad as us in the US. I dunno though. Sounds pretty grim there like in the US. I was chomping at the bit to end feminism forty-four years ago here in the US. I dunno what the Swedish guys are thinking. Fuck Sweden? No. But something. They need a fire lit under them or something. They’re setting a bad example for the rest of us.

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Opus August 19, 2012 at 02:41

Swedish men – now that is an interesting subject. As far as I could see my ex- (swedish) gf’s ex (swedish) boyfriend allowed the bitch to walk all over him – even allowed her to remain in his appartment for two years (possibly more – I’ll never know) after they split – he worked away during the week you see. He even allowed me (a very strange story I need not retell) to stay there the night – in his bed – and he slept in the spare room!!! Thoroughly decent – tall good-looking – bloke too and obviously far too good for her – she wasn’t even that good-looking really, which would have been a plausible though pathetic excuse.

The further North you go the more mangina the men – look at the Canadians! The Scots are the only and very obvious exception to that rule.

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ode August 19, 2012 at 06:06

Darryl X

I could be wrong but please review your history of the US. During the times of the “Robber Barrons” (Carnegie, Rockefeller and the like) who borrowed huge amounts of money from the European Central Banks and then built steel or railroad empires
…….
These were not self-made men. They were not real men. They were called “Robber Barrons” for a reason. They stole from the public coffers.

Were these men sucking off the public tit? Perhaps you’re right.
But you fail to realize a very important difference.
At least these men created something, railroad tracks, which have a practical application. Compare that to welfare recipients today like single mothers who create absolutely nothing of economic value.

There’s a big difference between using the public coffers to pay someone to do something in this example build railroad tracks vs. paying someone to do nothing but stay home, watch TV, and have sex. “Robber Barons” may have used dishonest means but at least they worked and produced something which is more than can be said of single mothers.

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namae nanka August 19, 2012 at 10:06

Sweden has highest percentage of local men with thai wives in the world. Feminists concerned.

http://theantifeminist.com/sweden-now-has-highest-percentage-of-local-men-with-thai-wives-swedish-government-promises-to-investigate/

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Darryl X August 19, 2012 at 12:59

@ Opus -

“The Scots are the only and very obvious exception to that rule.”

I was about to take offense until I got to this last line – LOL.

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Darryl X August 19, 2012 at 15:59

@ ode -

““Robber Barons” may have used dishonest means but at least they worked and produced something which is more than can be said of single mothers.”

Well, they didn’t work. They just borrowed money and made everyone else pay off the debt and its interest. Tax breaks and imposing those additional and increased taxes on the public. Because they can lobby our legislators and we can’t. Even more stuff like that. Stealing. That was my point. They’re narcissists. Stealing money isn’t working. It’s welfare and an excessive debt that everyone else has to pay off and most of that everyone doesn’t benefit from what is produced. Most of what is produced and the mechanism by which it is produced is nothing but toys for rich kids. Toys with which the rich may be preoccupied because they can’t do anything else but run around like tyrants and manipulate and deceive. When you examine the legacy of companies like General Electric and Microsoft, they were and have continued to be much greater real liabilities to the US than assets. When you add up the cost to clean up Super-fund sites created by GE, it’s greater than the value of the company. When you consider the cost of law suits against Microsoft for violation of Anti-Trust regulations and similar laws in other countries, its value is approximately two-hundred-billion dollars less than what it is on the books as an asset in the US – one-hundred-billion dollars. So net worth to the US is negative one-hundred-billion dollars. It stole many other better ideas from better companies and those who started them with ral innovation and then terrorized those companies and the men who started them with incessant legal maneuvers and leveraged buy-outs, etc… Our financial institutions and banks, don’t even get me started. Nothing but lies and theft. The list is long. I can only think of a small hand-full of companies started in the US which actually grew to any particular size and produced something of any value that didn’t actually impose upon the public excessively to the point of destruction. We men are slaves.

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ode August 19, 2012 at 17:19

Darryl X

Stealing. That was my point. They’re narcissists. Stealing money isn’t working. It’s welfare and an excessive debt that everyone else has to pay off….

Hey that sounds like a pretty good description of single mothers. They live off the public tit and produce absolutely nothing.
Well technically speaking I’m wrong.
They do produce something, they produce illegitimate children who are 10 times more likely to grow up to become criminal thugs who are a menace to society.

Why should honest / responsible people like myself and the other 2/3rds of society have to live in fear because dumb women like to open their legs to alpha males and can’t raise their kids up the right way?

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Darryl X August 19, 2012 at 19:04

@ ode -

“Hey that sounds like a pretty good description of single mothers.”

Yup. That’s the other side of the coin. If you’re not being screwed by “Robber Barons”, your being screwed by the feminists. People have been presented with a false choice. We don’t have to choose between these two options. There have been and still are better ones.

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