Eivind Berge Out of Jail

by W.F. Price on August 3, 2012

Norway’s appeals court and supreme court both ruled that Eivind had committed no crime by posting provocative material on his blog. Feminists are crestfallen by the news, and mystified as to why he isn’t still in prison, despite the fact that feminists have been getting away with publishing and speaking violent rhetoric since at least the 1960s. Never once has a feminist been arrested for threatening men, demanding they be attacked or other hateful speech.

Eivind published some material denouncing police, and some violent fantasies concerning revenge against them for oppressing men. Going after the police is seldom a good idea in the United States, as they usually have no qualms about punishing those who do so. I’m not sure about Norway, but I assume the impulse is the same there. However, by American – and Norwegian – standards, his speech was protected by law.

Futrelle wrote that he made a distinct threat to murder a policeman on a particular day, but it looks like Futrelle made that up, as he admits that he never saw it on Eivind’s blog, and he used unreliable translation software to come up with this interpretation. Violent speech is only punishable (in the US) when it constitutes an imminent and likely threat, so falsely alleging someone made such a threat is tantamount to an act of aggression in and of itself. This is something that ought to be remembered about David Futrelle.

Although I wouldn’t recommend making statements as radical as Eivind’s, one has to admit that he managed to get his point across, even appearing on Norwegian news. Sometimes, as feminists and assorted other anti-establishment types from the 60s and 70s demonstrated, radicalism works.

However, we ought to keep in mind that there is a serious push afoot to limit speech. The expulsion of several Olympic athletes for tweets – including in one case merely for an off-color joke – suggests that those in power are perfectly willing to limit expression to enforce political orthodoxy. Furthermore, the liberal mayors’ responses to Dan Kathy’s views on gay marriage demonstrate that they are willing to ignore Constitutional protections to achieve the same end.

Ironically, it is exactly the same people who fought the establishment while relying on Constitutional protections who are currently most willing to trample on individual freedoms. If they have their way, we will certainly see people arrested and jailed for politically incorrect speech, as at this point they cannot exert any more pressure without resorting to state coercion. It’s one thing to bully college students over speech on campus and demand that people lose their jobs over opinions, but it’s quite another to actually put them in jail for it, and it looks as though that’s where we’re headed.

We are entering strange and unstable times, and I’d recommend being circumspect if you want to live a peaceful life. On the other hand, there will be a lot of opportunities to influence the debate in the current climate for those willing to take risks and push the issue. Mainstream institutional opinion is fading in power as another vast generational chasm opens up with the entrance of the boomers into old age. For those of us in the middle, it’s going to be a bit of a tricky balancing act, but opportunities will abound.

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dragnet August 3, 2012 at 12:27

“The expulsion of several Olympic athletes for tweets – including in one case merely for an off-color joke – suggests that those in power are perfectly willing to limit expression to enforce political orthodoxy. “

I take your point, but this isn’t really a good example of this. The Olympic athletes were pulled from the games by their own national federations, not the Olympic committee. Countries have the right to be represented by who they see fit and can deny someone the right to represent them for any reason—surely this includes Twitter remarks, associations, and off-color humor. When you wear the colors of your country, it’s probably best to conduct yourself with dignity and not take that particular moment to poke fun at immigrants or what have you.

“Furthermore, the liberal mayors’ responses to Dan Kathy’s views on gay marriage demonstrate that they are willing to ignore Constitutional protections to achieve the same end.”

You’re onto something here, and the rhetoric from these petty, big city tyrants is definitely beyond the pale.

But it’s worth pointing out that the fiercest initial backlash to these mayors came not from the conservatives…but from well-known liberal bloggers like Glenn Greenwald, Kevin Drum, Digby, John Cole, Adam Serwer and hell, even Amanda Marcotte.

And, yes, we certainly live in interesting times.

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Geography Bee Finalist himself August 3, 2012 at 13:03

As for feminists being crestfallen by Eivind Berge’s release from prison, I hope this is the tip of the iceberg for them and their worthless movement. In the real world (“feminist reality” being an oxymoron), there is going to be sadness and depression. I hope more bad news comes their way.

What irony that Futrelle claims to mock misogyny but now is grasping at straws and has to retract an assertion that was clearly a fabrication. I do not speak Norwegian myself, but if Fucktrelle wants to expand into the exercise in futility of “mocking misogyny” other languages, then Dave Fucktrelle, learn the fucking foreign language.

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keyster August 3, 2012 at 13:18

Mainstream institutional opinion is fading in power as another vast generational chasm opens up with the entrance of the boomers into old age.

The NY Times, ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN and Newsweek/Time reported the news with a liberal bias. Few knew this until Rush Limbaugh, FNC and Drudge/Breitbart came along – – the “establishment media” doubled down and continue to be exposed today…to the point of plausible deniability, if not open and proud about their bias.

This is why the polarization seems louder than ever. The Secular-Progressive agenda had just about sown up control of the industrial news media complex – – when Murdock and Roger Ailes brilliantly figured out there was at least 50% of a market not being served.

Then to counter Fox News – MSNBC.
Drudge – Huffington Post
Rush – Air America
Spearhead – Manboobz
(NYTimes and print media in general will die with baby boomers)

The Industrial Media Complex as we knew it is dying.
Their corruption and bias revealed.
The Check and Balance of “free” speech has been re-established.
The Internet is God….it was a timely innovation.

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Troll King August 3, 2012 at 13:27

Never once has a feminist been arrested for threatening men, demanding they be attacked or other hateful speech.

Are you sure about that? Wasn’t Andrea Dworking arrested in Canada on obscenity charges for her book? If I remember correctly, the irony was that she helped get some of those same laws passed due to her hardcore campaign against porn.

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Troll King August 3, 2012 at 13:28

Doh:

Dworkin

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Eivind Berge August 3, 2012 at 13:40

I never made a direct threat to murder a policeman. What Futrelle must have mistranslated must be when i talked about coming close to attacking a cop when I was at my most frustrated over a year ago, before getting a girlfriend. Far from blogging about plans to kill a cop on a specific day, it all referred to feelings and plans in the past that got cancelled, so there was no imminent threat and I was never charged with making threats.

I was in fact charged with incitement, not threats. But it turns out my blog didn’t fit the legal definition of incitement either, according to the appellate courts, so the prosecution’s case collapsed. However, politicians are scrambling to change the law ASAP to criminalize my kind of speech, and the cops are really angry about losing and promise to prosecute me again when the reformed law is in effect, unless I delete the offensive statements in the meantime. This should take only a few months, and then Norwegians risk being prosecuted merely for failing to delete statements written online in the past in support of illegal acts. My case has elicited a lot resentment against feminism from men and now there is a huge public debate, but the feminists are also fighting back with all they got and freedom of speech will likely suffer.

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Geography Bee Finalist himself August 3, 2012 at 13:54

@ Eivind Berge

Good luck to all Norwegians (presumably mostly males) trying to keep free speech a reality in Norway.

Too bad Freedom House (which itself cannot evaluate the United States objectively and does not farm out assessing the United States to an objective separate country) doesn’t appear likely to downgrade Norway’s political rights or civil liberties scores, or both. Freedom House continues to treat female biological sex as if it were a disability.

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Jabberwocky August 3, 2012 at 14:00

Holy cow! It’s Arpagus. I remember him. He would cause trouble from what I remember about his posts on the Spearhead! LOL.

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Anonymous Reader August 3, 2012 at 14:56

Troll King, not aware of any arrest of Dworkin. This bio is fairly accurate as far as I can tell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin

The fact of the matter is, feminists are free to say anything they want, to anyone they want, any time they want. It’s their privilege to do so, you see.

Nobody ever put Valerie Solanas in jail for her words in the SCUM manifesto, for example. If she were alive today, I have no doubt she’d be as interested as any other feminist in jailing men for speaking the truth. Except she’d probably also want us executed.

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David Futrelle August 3, 2012 at 18:12

Futrelle wrote that he made a distinct threat to murder a policeman on a particular day, but it looks like Futrelle made that up, as he admits that he never saw it on Eivind’s blog, and he used unreliable translation software to come up with this interpretation.

Price, you ass. I didn’t make up anything. This is what I wrote in my original post:

According to this story — at least as far as I can tell from the obviously crude Google translation — he made a specific threat to kill a police officer this Saturday:

This is what the story (as translated by Google) said:

Berge also writes about how he was planning to attack a policeman with a knife on a Saturday evening:

In other words, I said: this is what this news story claims, at least according to Google translate. Then I linked to the story and quoted a Google translated version, and made clear that I was not 100% sure the translation was correct. That’s what “at least as far as I can tell” meant.

If you want to see the sort of stuff he wrote about police, see my post here:

http://manboobz.com/2012/07/07/norwegian-mens-rights-activist-blogger-eivind-berge-arrested-for-death-threats-against-police/

Or if you don’t trust me (even though I link to the source of each quote) you can just go to his blog:

http://eivindberge.blogspot.com/2009/07/never-trust-cop.html

http://eivindberge.blogspot.com/2010/11/cognitive-liberty.html

http://eivindberge.blogspot.com/2011/11/psychiatry-claims-another-victim.html

http://eivindberge.blogspot.com/2011/11/my-antifeminist-journey.html (search for the phrase “body bags”)

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David Futrelle August 3, 2012 at 18:14

Sorry, this is the one mentioning body bags:

http://eivindberge.blogspot.com/2011/11/trafficking-charade-groweth-au-pairs.html

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freebird August 3, 2012 at 21:17

You have no credibility David.
Not going to your links.
The man himself has posted,and he’s not a liar.He’s also been freed and found innocent,so go pound sand.
You are not the arbiter of right and wrong nor the law.FO

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Geography Bee Finalist himself August 3, 2012 at 22:19

Did Fucktrelle ever comment on The Spearhead when his posts could be downvoted? If this is his first post, I’m not even remotely surprised.

In addition, I am also intrigued by the irony that Manboobz denigrates anyone who posts on a men’s rights board yet has just done so himself. If we posted MRA sentiments on his bullshit site they would just be deleted.

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Alan Vaughn August 4, 2012 at 01:44

I find it utterly offensive that hate-mongering, misandrist manginas, let alone rape apologists and self confessed paedophiles, such as Mr D. Futrelle are allowed to comment on any MRM blog.

Anyone care for a “meet-up”?

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Creek August 4, 2012 at 02:53

However, we ought to keep in mind that there is a serious push afoot to limit speech. The expulsion of several Olympic athletes for tweets – including in one case merely for an off-color joke – suggests that those in power are perfectly willing to limit expression to enforce political orthodoxy.

Ironically, it is exactly the same people who fought the establishment while relying on Constitutional protections who are currently most willing to trample on individual freedoms. If they have their way, we will certainly see people arrested and jailed for politically incorrect speech, as at this point they cannot exert any more pressure without resorting to state coercion. It’s one thing to bully college students over speech on campus and demand that people lose their jobs over opinions, but it’s quite another to actually put them in jail for it, and it looks as though that’s where we’re headed.

Other countries might be headed in that direction, but in the UK we’re already there.

There’s been a flurry of prosecutions over here recently, over politically incorrect utterances, perhaps most notably ‘Epic Tram Lady’ Emma West (note: race card trumps pussy pass) but several others have been arrested, tried, and put in prison merely for remarks made on social media such as Facebook and Twitter. Now, these are mainly to do with the sensitive subject of race, but it gets worse:

Sexist remarks and wolf-whistles could become criminal offences – PM to announce today that UK will sign up to Council of Europe’s convention on violence against women, which could mean criminalising unwanted verbal conduct. A quick Google turned up a blog post examining the Convention from a legalese perspective to see if such concerns were warranted, and it looks like they are, particularly with regards to the broadening of the definition of ‘violence’ (no surprises there, of course; using ever-expanding and ever-vaguer definitions of offences to criminalise ever more – preferably all – men is a familiar feminist tactic).

So you’d better believe that expression is already limited – and subject to criminal sanction – where heterodox opinion is concerned, especially when the brittle feelings of minorities and strong, independent (yet fragile and delicate) women must be protected.

In related news, the French have just introduced a new, draconian sexual harassment law. Check out this celebratory piece at The Guardian, Britain’s premier organ of PC dogma, and try not to have nightmares…

[btw, could we have a preview option for comments, please? Apologies in advance if my formatting is borked. Cheers.]

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Gamerp4 August 4, 2012 at 03:58

Atlast Justice is served and Here we have the BIGGEST MANGINA and fat ass between us D Futrelle (Hey D did you received any chance yet with your feminist supporting, I mean did you got laid yet, Its ironic because you should be the George Clooney of Feminism well Keep supporting the Feminazi Propaganda maybe one day you get lucky) But sarcasm aside I am happy that Eivind Berge was found innocent.

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ActaNonVerba August 4, 2012 at 04:16

I disagree with the implied significance of any comparison between Eivind and the Olympians. Eivind was doing his thing as a political activist. The whole theme of the Olympics is people coming together as one in the spirit of sporting competition.

To be on one’s country’s Olympics team is to be, at the least, a mini celebrity and de facto representative of your country. For me, I think back to when I was in the Marines. I understood that my freedom of speech was reduced (particularly if in uniform and/or at a specific event). I knew I represented my country and I understood the need for good order and discipline in the armed forces.

In my opinion, the comparison of Eivind and the Olympians just doesn’t work. In fact, I look down on the Olympians or any other person in the public eye for being so stupid and feeling so self important to feel like they have to make a video, tweet, or Facebook even the most piddly little “running off at the mouth” stuff. It’s just undisciplined, inflated ego behavior to me.

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dragnet August 4, 2012 at 06:38

Oh come on, you can’t call Fucktrelle a liar with no credibility…and ignore the actual links to the blog in question.

I just read the links for the first time and I think Berge’s violent rhetoric and fantasies are beyond the pale…but that they also aren’t a crime and quite plainly don’t rise to the level of inciting any actual violence. None of this means that Fucktrelle isn’t worthy of contempt, because he certainly is.

What’s really incredible is that you can actually be jailed for this. Berge has brass balls to be using his real name—he’ll never be left in peace now.

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freebird August 4, 2012 at 17:03

“Oh come on, you can’t call Fucktrelle a liar with no credibility…and ignore the actual links to the blog in question.”

Oh yes I can.
I’ve already ready the entire content of the blog in question a month ago,not just selected links.

Obviously,nothing illegal there,or the man would be convicted-now-wouldn’t he?

Saying otherwise in any manner is an obvious distortion of the truth,from a shady character known to do just that.

No step for a stepper.

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Common Monster August 4, 2012 at 21:30

Troll King, actually, using “Dworking” as a verb is a stroke of genius IMO.

I was sort of surprised Ryan Lochte’s tacky quip during an interview to the effect that “One night stands are the best!” didn’t create a minor media firestorm and get him sent home early (even though he’s done with his events).

Maybe we can only wage one war at a time, and the Chick-Fil-A flap has sucked all the oxygen out of the atmosphere. Or maybe the whole chicks-really-dig-jocks thing is beyond passé, but then why be so blatant about it?

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