Altruism, Spite and Heroism

by W.F. Price on July 23, 2012

As James Holmes’ killing spree in a Colorado movie theater is the talk of the nation, a number of reports are emerging concerning the heroic actions of at least three young men, who died protecting their loved ones. All three were killed while shielding their girlfriends from bullets, and given that Holmes was using 5.56mm NATO spec ammunition, which fragments on impact rather than passing clean through its target, quite probably saved the women’s and other people’s lives.

Some MRAs lament the fact that when faced with danger, men so willingly give up their lives for those they are attached to, while others are upset that women don’t have any appreciation for this sacrifice. I noted in Saturday’s post that women do not always like the personal sacrifices they are called on to make on behalf of the tribe, but there are unpleasant sacrifices expected from men as well. And these sacrifices are not demanded only by society, but apparently our own biology. In other words, our instincts sometimes compel us to sacrifice ourselves.

From a simple, individualistic point of view, this doesn’t make sense. Why sacrifice oneself, thereby denying the opportunity to spread one’s seed and propagate one’s genes?

It’s a bit complicated, but it turns out that it does make sense from a genetic standpoint. When I read the stories of the young men who gave up their lives, I thought of the Price equation, developed by George Price (not a close relative of mine) at the Galton Laboratory in the late 60s after he switched careers in middle age to become a theoretical biologist.

Dr. Price was a curious fellow who must have thought a great deal about these issues, because after developing a theoretical basis for altruism he experienced a religious awakening, abandoned his strongly-held atheism and subsequently gave all he had to London’s poor. When he had nothing left to give, he became despondent and took his own life. Perhaps the implications of his work disturbed him, and he couldn’t accept that the roots of human goodness can be regarded as fundamentally selfish from an evolutionary point of view.

Forgotten for decades, Price was brought back to public attention by Oren Harman’s book The Price of Altruism: George Price and the Search for the Origins of Kindness.

Although the evolution of altruism was not the only thing covered by the Price equation, it is probably the most compelling to laymen, and is most relevant to the point at hand. What this part of the equation does is provide a model for how altruism can actually propagate an individual’s genes despite harming him or even ending his life. This is accomplished by saving those who are closely related, and thereby preserving one’s genes in others through self-sacrifice. Naturally, social creatures such as humans are more likely to display altruistic behavior, as the opportunity for self-sacrifice on behalf of others arises far more frequently than in animals such as snakes.

So, apparently we have evolved to be altruistic, especially toward kin. However, the other side of the coin is something known as “Hamiltonian spite” (theorist W.D. Hamilton was one of Price’s colleagues), which suggests that there is a genetic advantage to harming those who are less closely related than average, even if it costs the individual to do so.

In nature, spite often takes the form of destruction of another’s young. When a new stallion takes over a herd, for example, he will sometimes kill the previous sire’s foals. Lions are known to engage in similar behavior, and it appears to be at work in humans as well, as a single mother’s new boyfriend is statistically far more likely to murder her children than their biological father [feminists often conflate the two to make biological fathers appear more dangerous than they truly are, and new sex partners safer].

One could also make the argument that mass murder, such as that committed by James Holmes, can be motivated by Hamiltonian spite; that is, it is in one’s genetic best interest to destroy those who are unrelated if it provides a selective advantage to one’s kin. Perhaps the best known example of this can be found in the Bible in Judges 16, where Samson brings the roof down on himself and the Philistines, avenging himself and destroying his people’s enemies:

27 Now the house was full of men and women; and all the lords of the Philistines were there; and there were upon the roof about three thousand men and women, that beheld while Samson made sport.

28 And Samson called unto the Lord, and said, O Lord God, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.

29 And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood, and on which it was borne up, of the one with his right hand, and of the other with his left.

30 And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.

31 Then his brethren and all the house of his father came down, and took him, and brought him up, and buried him between Zorah and Eshtaol in the buryingplace of Manoah his father. And he judged Israel twenty years.

Samson, of course, was the pre-eminent Hebrew hero, as Herakles – another notorious manslayer – was for the Greeks. His final act of malice did not tarnish his reputation, but rather enhanced it. He exemplifies the duality of heroism as understood by humans: on the one hand selfless and magnanimous, and on the other a terrible foe. And yet there is no contradiction, because Samson fulfills his duties to his people.

In the great scheme of nature, we men are actors in the struggle to preserve our families, our nations and even humanity. It is not a role that must be imposed upon us, but rather one that comes naturally, just as the sacrifice of motherhood comes naturally to women.

And just as there are pleasant and unpleasant aspects of female behavior, the same is true of male.

The lesson that I would like to impart here is that so often, the noblest and the meanest of our traits spring from the same source and ultimately serve the same purpose. The feminists and their allies will point to flaws in the male character, suggesting that man must be fundamentally changed for the world to be a better place. Some men deplore our compulsion to sacrifice ourselves. But when it comes down to it, we are carrying out the will of the collective, and the choices we make are not, as it turns out, always our own.

However, rather than let this revelation undermine our faith in ourselves and science as George Price apparently did, perhaps we can find some solace in the notion that nature itself contains a wisdom and intelligence greater than our own.

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Hugh July 23, 2012 at 10:56

I would thoroughly like to commend you on this article and the ultimate truth of it. History of war throughout all of mankind has shown, time and time again, that when one army or invading tribe tries to conquer another, they rape the women and children first. Feminists always argue that this is the inherent evil of men, and it’s purpose is against women. It’s REAL intent, however, was always to destroy the will of the men of the civilization conquered…. With nothing else to live for, they have no reason to fight back. It’s that plain and simple.

What feminists have failed to understand is that men ARE, by nature, warriors. And what feminists can’t seem to grasp is that very nature will never change in a man. How can feminists ever be surprised that a man will FINALLY start to fight back against ANY invading enemy…. even if that invading enemy is ‘woman’ herself??? Just as an invading tribe destroys a family unit…… so does feminism.

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meistergedanken July 23, 2012 at 10:57

“…perhaps we can find some solace in the notion that nature itself contains a wisdom and intelligence greater than our own. ”

The self-organizing systems that typify the biological realm inherently contain a suitable substitute for intelligence, and ultimately wisdom becomes “whatever works”, but it sadly leaves no room for a “Ghost in the Machine”. I find it a philospophy or outlook that is pitiless, desolate and supportive of nihilism – which is not that I regard it as untrue, just distasteful and spiritually barren. It’s therefore hard for me to find the silver lining here. Perhaps facing the mindless Void and knowing these truths takes more fortitude than I can continually muster.

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Young Guy July 23, 2012 at 11:23

Sacrifice was once expected of men and women, but it has only been expected of men since the social contract between men and women was torn up by feminists. Most women have been told their entire lives they can have it all, and their happiness is the most important thing in the universe, so most women hate the thought of having to give up anything or putting other people before themselves. Most relationships today are one-sided, so don’t be shocked when men shun marriage or take up pumping and dumping. That might sound harsh to some people, but most women did it to themselves.

Why should I give every ounce of my being for a woman when she is one bad mood away from tossing me onto the scrap heap? I have heard the horror stories from men who worked hard to provide for their families, only for it to mean nothing to their ungrateful ex-wives. I have seen men risk life and limb to protect women they loved, only to have the women in their lives leave them or forget about their sacrifices. It has been said men have obligations while women have options in our modern world, I and agree with that statement. Most women think the world is their oyster, and everyone should cater to them. Most men understand the world is a harsh place, and no one is going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Most women have done an excellent job pissing away all the goodwill men had towards them. I look at women my age, and I realize almost none of them are relationship material. Their entitlement is through the roof. They almost never say “thank you.” They demand chivalry even though they think they should never have to return the favor. They have been told any man who stands up for himself is guilty of abuse. It really is too much to ask of most women to be pleasant, keep the house clean, take care of the kids, and realize a relationship isn’t the Disney fairy-tale which they have been brainwashed with since birth.

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Nietzsche July 23, 2012 at 11:25

They saved their lives so the girlfriends can be screwing other dudes in several months time…….. probably much less. Heroism is a suckers game.

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Keyster July 23, 2012 at 11:50

I think James Holmes had a lingering psychosis issue. He was of the age when it really starts to manifest. When the law contacted his mother she said, “You have the right person” before she even knew the details. He majored in neuroscience, which is the study of brain chemisty; very rigorous subject matter – involving
schizophrenia among other mental disorders.

When you combine extreme intelligence with socio-pathological psychosis you get a Hannibal Lecter type character. It’s possible he was off his meds or more likely self-medicatiing. He told police he took a 100mg Vicodin 2 hours before the incident. He may have indulged in meth, ecstasy, bath salts, spice – – that exacerbated his illness. Or just began to snap over a 6 week period.

Suffice to say anyone who plans that far ahead to randomly shoot
people in a public place, is not thinking rationally or even criminally.
It’s my guess he’ll be found criminally insane, like the guy who shot Gabrielle Giffords.

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Andy July 23, 2012 at 11:50

I’ve often thought abortion is Hamiltonian spite.

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Buddy Guy July 23, 2012 at 11:52

I’m with the feminists – let’s overly glorify women for volunteering to go through torture and death, thus socialize them to be motivated to do so. Men have filled their quota. Your turn. Let’s oppress men and deny them of the right to be a POW.

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jaego July 23, 2012 at 11:55

Nature the same as God? No. But following His will at least? No since the Fall. The Angels in charge of tending the creation are now fallen angels or demons.

A rational theology that made such distinctions might have saved the noble but unwise George Price. No one can be completely mental or “rational”. Anyone who tries will find his own lower Nature in revolt. Mr Price’s extreme altruism was irrational – as if he was trying to make the Universe good by his gift. There is nothing in Christianity about this kind of giving. The few who are compelled to do it then become monks or hermit and beg alms.

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jodark July 23, 2012 at 12:28

Nietzsche, do you really think it will be months?

I’d say weeks at most, or even days.

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Peter South July 23, 2012 at 12:39

These young women will don black for the rest of their lives to mourn and commemorate the passing of these great fallen heroes.

Well ok they’ll be twittering, texting and yakking on their “smart phones” within a week about other guys…

But I think we can all agree that men generally make great meat shields.

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El Bastardo July 23, 2012 at 12:48

I have a hard time with evolution. How can a marble statue chisel itself out of it’s own slab without an “Artist” to perceive what was “already there?” When facing death, the truly “last great unknown,” men tend to get a little spiritual. As the soldiers joke, “there are no atheists in foxholes.” However, what this guy did, and from my standpoint of military experiences, this was a well thought out plan. A cross between Hannibal Lecter and the Unibomber. The problem, or fortune for us, was that he did not appear to have the balls to carry it all the way through sadistically! I could be wrong, all the facts are not out yet; like his real motive for example. I still don’t know why he did it, and it may take historians, FBI criminologists, and shrinks a decade to really ascertain a workalbe theory for the “why?”

I have to join the chorus and commend you on the article. Well thought out. However, I am not so sure of the “nature” as I am the “nurture.” I think it will most likely be the usual combination of both. With all the statitstics on “fatherless” youth out there, we may truly be on the proverbial “powder keg?” We have raised a generation of youth who have little to no real sympathy other than what the tabloids tell them is popular to give the “appearance of sympathy” to. I am not looking forward to what the talkings heads of the future will try to pass as legislation after this. Obama, and Romney both called off their tours briefly to “greive.” More than likely to meet with their individual strategists on how best to use this for manipulating the public discourse.

The Men’s Movement is very likely a “candidate” to get blamed. This guy has rightfully lost his rights to anything. We will have to play the watchdog to ensure they don’t target us next!

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Eric July 23, 2012 at 12:51

Price:
The Aurora shooting so far is highlighting the reality of America hidden behind the media smokescreen. To add to the mix, today’s news reported that Holmes’ trial could take months, or even years.

What’s come on with this incident is a picture of what America looks like beneath the media veneer: a country with rampant mental illness; people with hired-wired victim mentality; a litigious culture eagerly awaiting a long, drawn-out show trial, &c.

What is striking about the coverage of the story is the same picture of American weakness, despite the ‘heroes’ in theatre. They only did what any normal man would do, and the fact that that’s considered exceptional today shows how deeply we’ve sunk as a culture.

All the way from Obama down, there has been nothing but endless psychobabble about ‘understanding’ and ‘seeking closure’ and the mangina police chief whining about difficult the suspect made the investigation for him. There’s no talk about solutions, or even what is causing these outbreaks of mass violence: namely, that US society, one of the most legally and socially repressive in the so-called ‘free world’ is generating a stressed-out, dumbed-down, doped-up populace that occasionally explodes like this. This isn’t a problem that’s going to go away with ‘tougher laws’ or endless analysis—both are liable to make it worse.

We need some leaders at this point who are going to stop tap-dancing to the media’s tune and start facing these issues squarely.

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Darryl X July 23, 2012 at 12:55

@ keyster -

Any man having to exist in this feminist police state with their kids held hostage for ransom and condemned to poverty and social isolation is criminally insane. Ask any feminist.

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Rebel July 23, 2012 at 12:58

Although I know well that such self-sacrifice is very common with men, I am deeply puzzled by such behavior. I can imagine the intensity of the love a man feels for a woman when he throws himself in the trajectory of a bullet.

However, one of the many questions that pop up in my mind is:”Why is it never the other way around?”

If women are equal to men, why is it always the man that sacrifices himself?

Chivalry?

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Brawler July 23, 2012 at 13:12

The social contract is now long busted and dead in the water.

A man or even woman starts randomly ashooting in derranged fit of mania, perhaps brought on by excess exposure to misandy both ways … You best hightail your craven ass outta there.

This ain’t no place, try being a hero. It’s survivers what are heroes at this here shithole.

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Phil July 23, 2012 at 13:31

“They saved their lives so the girlfriends can be screwing other dudes in several months time.”
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100% correct. Those boyfriends were suckers. These men were living in the past. The boyfriends were living in the 1700′s while modern day American women are living in feminist 2012. Modern day American women don’t live by the old social contract. The problem is men like these three don’t understand. These women will find new boyfriends and move on with their lives. The three men are dead. Gone forever. They died believing is something that doesn’t exist. It is tragic and disgusting.

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Eric July 23, 2012 at 13:35

Peter South & Phil:
You’re both right; the grrlz who survived are probably moving on to the next cock even as we speak. And I’ll bet the types of guys they’re moving on to won’t be the type who’d take a bullet for them either.

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Charles Martel July 23, 2012 at 14:06

Keyster
I think James Holmes had a lingering psychosis issue……When you combine extreme intelligence with socio-pathological psychosis you get a Hannibal Lecter type character……Suffice to say anyone who plans that far ahead to randomly shoot people in a public place, is not thinking rationally or even criminally. It’s my guess he’ll be found criminally insane, like the guy who shot Gabrielle Giffords.

So you’re judge, jury and executioner now. Are you always so ready to take everything the mainstream media feeds you at face value?

When the law contacted his mother she said, “You have the right person” before she even knew the details.

This has been misreported, to the best of my knowledge. The question to which she responded was something like “are you the mother of James Holmes, student at the University of Colorado?” and not “are you the mother of the Aurora shooter?”

I think long and hard now about what may be the underlying reality of any events presented to me by the authorities and by the mainstream media. The Obama administration would like the US to become a signatory to the UN Small Arms Treaty, which would place significant new restrictions on private gun ownership in the US. They want this so badly that they engaged in an illegal operation to supply weapons to Mexican drug cartels, one of which fired the shot that killed a US Border Patrol agent. The Attorney General of the United States, Eric “My People” Holder, remains unindicted for the felony perjury he committed lying to Congress in support of operation Fast and Furious.

The Aurora shooting may be and is probably exactly what it appears to be. However, I will keep an open mind until more information is available. It is food for thought, imo, that this crime included the manufacture of multiple improvised explosive devices using a laundry list of materials that are currently legal to buy.

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piercedhead July 23, 2012 at 14:07

It’s an interesting theory.

If White-Knights and MRAs were to evolve into separate tribes, I suppose the former dying for their women would have a genetic advantage over MRAs who don’t (or rather, it would give their women a genetic advantage…)

The big question then becomes “how do their women use that advantage?”

What if these women then change sides and start breeding with their more enlightened foe, the MRAs? Is this what paradise looks like?

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Josh the Aspie July 23, 2012 at 14:58

I don’t object to a man dieing to protect another at all, whether that other person is male or female. What I object to is the expectation that it is a man’s duty to do so specifically for a woman, and that she has no duty to perform in return for him.

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Charles Martel July 23, 2012 at 15:05

piercedhead
If White-Knights and MRAs were to evolve into separate tribes, I suppose the former dying for their women would have a genetic advantage over MRAs who don’t (or rather, it would give their women a genetic advantage…)

Correct. However, we all harbor an inner white knight.

It’s extremely common to see confused thinking, even from professional academics, regarding evolutionary biology. You’ll typically see something like this – “men choose to behave altruistically (e.g. Aurora shooting) because it helps their offspring survive.”

Wrong! The cart is firmly in front of the horse in this statement. Men don’t choose to be altruistic. Men are altruistic to a greater or lesser extent because altruistic behavior confers a slight reproductive advantage that makes a meaningful difference to the gene pool over hundreds of generations.

So, male altruism is a visible expression and a result of genetic traits that confer a reproductive advantage.

Human male altruism also unfortunately confirms that our distant ancestors lived in a bonobo-like multi-milennial fuckfest where the males did not know their children. No reason to be surprised. We are just naked apes, after all.

Women are not altruistic because female altruism confers no reproductive advantage. Women always know who their children are. Which is why the only people women were helping at Aurora were their own children.

It sucks being a meat robot that understands its own operating system.

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Anti Idiocy July 23, 2012 at 15:16

@ Young Guy
“Most women have done an excellent job pissing away all the goodwill men had towards them. I look at women my age, and I realize almost none of them are relationship material. Their entitlement is through the roof. They almost never say “thank you.” They demand chivalry even though they think they should never have to return the favor.”

When I hear the question, “Where have all the good men gone?” my response is, “They followed the good women out the door.”

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Days of Broken Arrows July 23, 2012 at 15:23

The biological reason for chivalry, which is left out of this article, is because we’re hardwired to continue the species and sperm is plentiful while eggs are hard to come by. We can do without a lot of men and continue as humans, without many women, we could not go on. Thus we protect the women who have the eggs, which are valuable in terms of propagating the species.

This is why those men protected their women in the theater — it’s hardwired. Asking people to alter this basic biological instinct is like feminists asking everyone to re-order society according to their wished of what biology should be rather than what is.

If nothing else, what those men did in the theater shows that even with years of feminist brainwashing we’re still the same as we ever were. Now all we have to do is find a way to get rid of the feminist brainwashing and we’re set.

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bruno July 23, 2012 at 15:41

All men must be very altruistic !!!

Well, at least that’s what politicians, priests, and women say.

So I guess it must be true…

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namae nanka July 23, 2012 at 16:02

Buffing up a comment left at Steve Sailer’s blog.

“Meanwhile, Jamie Rohrs DROPPED his baby on the theater floor and ran out like a little bitch,”

Well, like Mr. George Costanza, he is a winner at life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u1cbZTwBx4

As seen in the clip, Mr. George Costanza is a feminist extraordinaire, who doesn’t seek to hog heroic glory for himself and breaks out from traditional gender stereotypes. If following his lead, men don’t die needlessly, Ms. Hillary Clinton will be utterly pleased at women not being deprived of their husbands, fathers and sons.

“And he had the nerve to propose to her in the hospital”

alpha!

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keyster July 23, 2012 at 16:55

@Charles
So you’re judge, jury and executioner now. Are you always so ready to take everything the mainstream media feeds you at face value?

FYI – I live in Denver where the local news affiliates covered this 24/7 all weekend…not Brian Moss and George Stephenopolous from the GMA studio in NYC. National media ALWAYS gets the facts wrong.

The mainstream media has said nothing pertaining to psychosis. I’m just taking all the facts to this point and deducing it (what the media usually does, but are too interested in tapping into everyones animus right now). He certianly didn’t look the model of lucidity in court today. This isn’t mainstream media, this information is quoted from Aurora law inforcement press conferences.

This has been misreported, to the best of my knowledge. The question to which she responded was something like “are you the mother of James Holmes, student at the University of Colorado?” and not “are you the mother of the Aurora shooter?”

However the question was worded, saying almost in passing, “You have the right person.”, is revealing; as if she wasn’t too surprised.

What I’m saying is he’s not evil incarnate, he’s mentally ill and he studied neuroscience because he anticipated his own difficulties with chemical imbalance.

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NWOslave July 23, 2012 at 17:12

Men are natural protectors, not only of women and children but of men as well. The altruism, valor and honor of men who are willing to sacrifice themselves is a virtue like no other. No other sacrifice can be as great, and men are always on the front lines in any natural or un-natural disaster.

The systemic problem in modern society is the constant demonization of men. This one incident is a classic example. One man did a terrible thing. The media blasts out messages like, “Why do men kill?” “What is it that makes men mass murderers?” “What turns men into terrorists?”

The message is men are universally bad. Men are universally demons. Yet three men showed the ultimate sacrifice. Why isn’t the MSM peppering us with headlines like, “Why are men so giving?” What is about men that makes them so honorable?” “What turns men into heros?”

Everyday we’re told how if one man does something bad it’s men universally being bad, they’re all demons. If one man does something good it’s never men being universally good, it’s a fluke. For the most part, it doesn’t get mentioned at all.

For women, this symmetry is reversed. The politicians, schools and media reguarly blast out messages of any woman doing anything remotely positive to show how all women are good. Even a woman who does something bad is portrayed as somehow being a victim.

Men as a whole perform thousands of acts of valor a day in this country. Men as a whole are demonized thousands of times a day in this country. When society hates and demonizes all men, eventually more and more men will hate that society in return. Instead of demonizing men for the actions of a few, men should be praised for the actions of the many.

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Darryl X July 23, 2012 at 17:42

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re Charles Martel July 23, 2012 at 14:06

Great analysis. What in your opinion are the implications of this crime including the manufacture of multiple improvised explosive devices using a laundry list of materials that are currently legal to buy? Also, what do you think the Aurora shooting (massacre) appears to be? How much do you want to bet that his father is alienated from James Holmes by the mother of James Holmes and that James Holmes never grew up with his biological father around? I’m not saying that’s the case, but I’m a betting man and I’d take that bet.

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The Whammer July 23, 2012 at 17:57

@Nietzsche-Yes, I wrote the same thing on a newspaper and other places and was banned for the 1000th time lol I guess that they can’t handle the truth. The female’s compulsion to breed will trump any loss of a particular man or any temporary shock or grief.
A lot of young guys, like on these blogs, cannot see the big picture and I guess it’s understandable because they haven’t lived long enough or seen the same thing a 1000x over like an older man has. But after you’ve lived long enough and have seen the beginning, the middle and the end of something you can easily predict how things will turn out by just knowing the beginning.

Blunt, aged 25, laid on top of his girlfriend and took the bullet. He was divorced and had 2 kids. He was working at some shitty mall security guard job to pay child support and alimony. So to protect this new girl who of course is easily replaceable after he gets over his loss, he lost his life and his 2 kids lost a father.

The girlfriend will cry for awhile but after a few weeks will get over it. Perhaps her friends will even take her out so that she can forget her awful experience where she may even meet Mr. Pua whose shoulder she will cry on and commiserate with her and give her a bit of the old in-out in-out to make her feel better and because he’s a Mr Niceguy. Her friends will approve of all this and even believe that it’s good she’s getting over her terrible ordeal and is “moving on” with her life.
The only one not “moving on” will be Blunt because his body that looks like a piece of swiss cheese is rotting in the ground. Sure, his parents will always remember him and grieve and even the girlfriend may sometimes think of him until her memory dims as she’s getting fucked by some other guy but shortly he will be completely forgot. His former wife will forget he ever existed and his kids who are young won’t really even know who he was. Perhaps they’ll have a picture of him and they’ll know it was their daddy but aside from that it will be like a stranger’s pic that they feel no real connexion to.
So my advice to men, especially if they have kids, is it’s better to cry over some lost girlfriend then to be a fool and leave your kids without a father.

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DirkJohanson July 23, 2012 at 18:13

Of course, feminist Obama is commending not the guys that sacrificed their lives, but a couple of chicks that survived: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-23/through-two-young-women-obama-finds-a-story-of-hope-amid-grief.html

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will July 23, 2012 at 18:17

One of the most shocking realization emerging from the James Holmes Batman movie shooting rampage in Aurora, Colorado is the fact that nobody apparently tried to stop the shooter. This is absolutely baffling. Out of at least 70 moviegoers (and maybe more, as numbers remain sketchy at the moment), it appears that nobody tried to tackle him to the ground, shoot back with their own gun, or even fight back in any way whatsoever. The accounts of witnesses are those of people fleeing, ducking and screaming… but not fighting for their lives.

This story is in no way intended to blame those present at the theater for what was obviously a horrifying, shocking and probably very confusing event, but at the same time we must ask the question: Why did no one fight back?

See my previous story, by the way, which asks other questions about this shooting, such as where did Holmes get the training and the funds to build a complex maze of flammable booby-traps?

“There were bullet [casings] just falling on my head. They were burning my forehead,” Jennifer Seeger told reporters in an LA Times article. “Every few seconds it was just: Boom, boom, boom,” she said. “He would reload and shoot and anyone who would try to leave would just get killed.”

Another bizarre quote appears in the Daily Mail:

A baby was shot at point blank range, the family were gathered around screaming.

Huh?

If the baby was shot at point blank range, that means the shooter was right there beside them. Instead of gathering around and screaming, why didn’t the family tackle the shooter?

This is not any sort of insensitive attempt at satire or blaming anyone, by the way. This is purely an effort to ask a deeply disturbing question that has been bothering me ever since this whole thing went down:

How can a lone gunman fire off at least 100 rounds in a crowded theater full of people and have NOBODY fight back, shoot back or attempt to tackle him?

The guy literally walked in, tossed a couple of smoke bombs, started shooting everybody in sight, and for some reason that remains entire unexplained, they let him do it. When he finished, he walked out the door and calmly surrendered to police, mission accomplished. He was never shot at, stabbed, kicked, punched, tripped or attacked in any way whatsoever, apparently.

Rest of the article:
http://lewrockwell.com/adams-m/adams-m21.1.html

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muhr July 23, 2012 at 19:28

taking an evolutionary look at a lot of heroes behavior would lead me to conclude that a great deal of it is maladaptive under current conditions.

historically, playing the hero may have meant your family members survived and as such you “lived” on through kin selection. also non-relatives in the tribe may be required to help out your family for your sacrifice through reciprocal altruism.

the biological underpinnings of cooperation or heroism are sometimes going to fire at the wrong time. if an organism receives what appear to be the proper cues for a heroic response then sometimes it will respond heroically when in fact those cues were bullshit.

granted, the heroes families will probably be given some support from their communities, but i doubt it’s going to add up to replacing them in a evolutionary fitness sense.

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tom47 July 23, 2012 at 20:27

OK, so sometimes I get a little sarcastic.
Sorry.
It’s just that this article is so un-mgtow it melted my mind a little.
There is no evidence that male primates ever defend females or make any sacrifices for them and it’s just as likely that females fight over males as males fight over females. White Knighting is a “social construct”, a way to make men “useful”.

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Eric July 23, 2012 at 20:27

Of course, the ever-affable Futrelle, after using the Colorado shooting as a laughing-stock to lampoon MRA’s, is complaining about the ‘insensitivity’ of some of our comments. Specifically, he takes issue with the idea that the grrlz—who don’t value living men—won’t value dead ones, either.

His groupies, too, are adding to the hilarity, more than one have made comments like: ‘What’s wrong with those guys? Don’t they realize that women need to get on with their lives?’

Yeah…

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Troll King July 23, 2012 at 21:33

Well, it looks like hanna rosin is pluggin her book, “The End of Men” by using this shooting.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/07/23/aurora_dark_knight_shooting_the_men_protected_the_women.html

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Troll King July 23, 2012 at 21:35
Troll King July 23, 2012 at 21:39

One problem I see in this theory, especially considering small tribes instead of large nation states, would be the incidence of cuckoldry.

It is well documented that women gravitate towards males from different tribes due to genetic diversity. If two or more tribes don’t practice exogamy then the women will engage in deceptive mating practices at higher rates. That isn’t even taking into account in-group cuckoldry.

Unless you look at older generations or parallel genetics(which don’t necessarily count) like grandmothers and brothers/sisters respectively, then I fail to see how a cuckolded man who sacrifices himself for “his” family increases his genetic footprint???

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MKP July 23, 2012 at 21:53

@ meistergedanken

“The self-organizing systems that typify the biological realm inherently contain a suitable substitute for intelligence, and ultimately wisdom becomes “whatever works”, but it sadly leaves no room for a “Ghost in the Machine”. I find it a philospophy or outlook that is pitiless, desolate and supportive of nihilism – which is not that I regard it as untrue, just distasteful and spiritually barren. It’s therefore hard for me to find the silver lining here. Perhaps facing the mindless Void and knowing these truths takes more fortitude than I can continually muster.

I understand and sympathize. You have to make the effort, though. At the end of the day, there is simply no substitute for the truth.

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ActaNonVerba July 23, 2012 at 22:01

Personally, I won’t fight for something not worth fighting for (and especially something that is actually worth fighting against). Yes, I have a brain stem, msucles, adrenal glands, and all the other necessary hardware to perform extraordinary actions.

But, I also have a cerebral cortex and other mechanisms for learning, memory and complex, reasoned, rational thought. So, for example, when I was young I was a sucker for women’s crocodile tears because my instinct was to be captain save-a-ho. But, as I grew older and wiser, I learned.

So, individual men are gong to do what they’re going to do in specific situations. Certainly, I myself have certain things and people I’d put myself in harm’s way for. But, I think suggesting an “acceptance” of our voluntary self-destruction, captain save-a-ho instincts is the wrong way to go on a MRA website.

After all, that’s part of the reason things have gotten so bad to begin with. Men continuing to do “their part” with women not returning the favor; men not demanding that women have reasonable boundaries like we do that are in the best interest of all of us as a community and culture.

Note: This is not meant as a knock on Mr. Price. I enjoy reading his articles and admire his efforts in the interests of mens’ well-being. Just my thinking on it.

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tom47 July 23, 2012 at 22:19

“If White-Knights and MRAs were to evolve into separate tribes, I suppose the former dying for their women would have a genetic advantage over MRAs who don’t (or rather, it would give their women a genetic advantage…)”
Actually the genetic advantage would be with the MRAs. They would live longer and produce more offspring. White Knights would be dying to protect the future mates of MRA’s, who would reap the rewards of the White Knights sacrifices.

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Jabberwocky July 23, 2012 at 22:33

““…perhaps we can find some solace in the notion that nature itself contains a wisdom and intelligence greater than our own. ””

“The self-organizing systems that typify the biological realm inherently contain a suitable substitute for intelligence, and ultimately wisdom becomes “whatever works”, but it sadly leaves no room for a “Ghost in the Machine”. ”

–Those systems are the “Ghost in the Machine”. Evolution, or “whatever works”, is how God programmed reality to run. It is reality’s operating system, and it is always refining it’s own programming. It is simple and elegant, yet capable of infinite complexity. “Whatever works” leads to higher states of being. It is the path God laid out for us to follow. With no path, we would be lost. “Whatever works” works within a system of rules. Nothing works in chaos. “Whatever works” is a brutal path at times, no doubt, but I don’t think God wanted reality to be boring.

“I find it a philospophy or outlook that is pitiless, desolate and supportive of nihilism…”

–It has good and bad sides. You’re focusing simply on the negative. I could describe it as exciting, dynamic, and supportive of “epic-ness”.

” – which is not that I regard it as untrue, just distasteful and spiritually barren. It’s therefore hard for me to find the silver lining here. Perhaps facing the mindless Void and knowing these truths takes more fortitude than I can continually muster.”

–The void is just one part of reality, AND it’s emptiness serves an important purpose. I’ve found great strength in communing spiritually with the void. It can be a protective womb when needed.

Cheer up. Anyone who thinks deeply gets sad at times. If you don’t ever get sad when pondering the universe, then you’re not seeing the whole picture. Enlightenment is not a happy state, or sad state, but a state that understands and accepts both.

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ck July 23, 2012 at 23:05

As several have posted, the social contract is broken. Chivalry is a TWO way deal. BOTH parties giving to each other to create a better union rather than each by themselves. Words cannot convey my sense of dispair, isolation, and acceptance that women are at best amoral beings and at worst imoral. I no longer look at a women and hope they may be the one who vaules a decent, kind, moral man. Instead I see a feral creature who wants to be thugf#$cked and used. They are addicted to a drug called emotion. They want the highs of being thugf#cked and the coming lows of being used and dumped. Then rinse and repeat. The stable decent man is too “boring” or “nice”. The lush sociatal enviroment we have created for them is taken for granted. It exists as does the air they breath, simply out of nothing in thier minds. They simply cannot grasp the truth of it takes good men to build, invent and maintain their “posh” world. Sadly, as many of you as well. I am done, I see no future anymore. I’ve done the best I could. Combat service, a succesful business employing 35 MEN. Try to better the lives of those around me. What good is all that when your life is empty. My most recent dissipointment was an attractive girl barely surviving. I treated her well but being clear I don’t tolerate being disrespected or misconstruing my kindness as weakness or like the. I find out a few weeks later she is f#cking her neighbor in her ghetto apartments who is a drug dealer. She had a choice between a good man and a villian. You see the path they want, crave and lust after. Everyday now is empty of hope for the future. My eyes are sadly opened to what women are now……

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Billy July 23, 2012 at 23:19

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George July 23, 2012 at 23:48

Heroism and its promotion, as this article does, goes against the MRM. We’re not just fighting the unfair legal system brought on by women or the culture that demonizes men, but also the view of men as disposable utilities, and the role of men as protectors-providers (for women, they still need to do it for their children however).
Heroism may have been useful in the distant past, but now it has become completely toxic for men to fetishize their own destruction. They’re destroying themselves for women, their legal superiors, who don’t give two shits about them and who will go on to live their lives and boyfriends will be one boyfriend in a long series of boyfriends, guys they dated a long time ago. While on the other hand, the young men DIED!

On the point of promoting heroism, this article is completely misguided.

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piercedhead July 23, 2012 at 23:53

“It sucks being a meat robot that understands its own operating system.”-Charles Martel

Understand the sentiment, though cannot share it. To be forewarned is to be forearmed.

Although I may not be able to counter my instincts fast enough to avoid giving women a hugely undeserved evolutionary advantage, I can at least use my MRM learning to minimise the opportunities those pesky instincts get to betray me.

By going MGTOW, there is certainly no chance I would ever be in a situation where whatever W.K. tendencies I may have lying dormant would get their moment of glory (to my everlasting shame, should I survive…).

And that same feeble mastery of intellect over DNA would also preserve me from a Batman premier (on this I am on more certain ground).

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Gamerp4 July 24, 2012 at 00:14

If you take an advice from a grown man and a mature one i will give my advice to you.

“Never be part of something that want’s to take a part of yours, Never become something that others want to mold into you, Never belong to a tribe that in famine would roast you, Never trust feminists when they are out to get you, Never trust a woman of lifelong commitment when she is educated to kick you, Never wear chivalry because you may not be there when they pity you”

Last Any men giving up his life for a women in today’s century is an upright fool, His so called white knightery wont lend him a role as a “HERO” but a “Jerk” and a “Creep”, Take the advice.

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Eric July 24, 2012 at 00:15

Billy,

I’ll make you a friendly wager: the court authorities have said that this trial could continue for a year. I wager you that during that Mr. James Holmes will get love-letters, marriage-proposals, and adoring fan-mail from women all across the country. And at the end of that year, no one will remember the names of the heroes who sacrificed their lives.

Care to take that wager?

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MarcusAurelius July 24, 2012 at 00:17

The story of this really needs to hit the mainstream media….and hard. Why? Because it shows the utter stupidity of feminist whining. Just a few months ago with the Costa Concordia cruise ship disaster all these women were crying out “What happened to chivalry? What happened to women and children first?”

I wonder what those bitches would have to say now!!

It just goes to show you that when confronted with the ultimate choice, MEN will still act to protect and save those they love. The difference is with the cruise ship disaster it would have been ridiculous to behave in such a manner when men, unlike women, who are capable of sound reason knew full well that there should have been enough life boats and enough time for everyone….everyone…to make it out of there alive. There was simply no need for a “women and children first” policy. Why are these bitches too dumb to realize that?? But placed in a situation that instantly means life or death, men are the wholly nobler sex and are quite willing to make the ultimate sacrifice.

No matter the ‘quality’ of the women these men saved, they are heroes in my view.

I only wish the mainstream media would pick up on this a bit more because it shows such a stark contrast to the cruise ship disaster and all these stupid women proclaiming “there is no more chivalry” because this example proves that is yet another feminist lie to shame men. It is women who are selfish by nature and will always instinctually act in self-preservation. They have it backwards, and this proves it. I’ve never in my life heard of a girl dying for her man.

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Eric July 24, 2012 at 00:33

ck:
That story is so typical. All that feminist ‘sexual liberation’ really accomplished was liberating women from the worst elements of their nature that civilization had kept in check.

Try to get as far from feminist women as possible. Travel out of this toxic culture or meet some immigrants here. The future is only bleak for those men who stay within the confines of a culture that despises them.

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anonymous July 24, 2012 at 02:08

@The Whammer,

Blunt, aged 25, laid on top of his girlfriend and took the bullet. He was divorced and had 2 kids. He was working at some shitty mall security guard job to pay child support and alimony.

Was divorced… had two kids [did he have at least 50% custody?] … forced to work on a job he disliked… paying child support and alimony… laid on top of his girlfriend and took the bullet.

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bruno July 24, 2012 at 02:50

Actually it’s not so hard at all: those guys had a simple choice:

1: Jump in front of the girlfriend. Result: you die, she lives. Auch!

OR,

2: Drop to the floor. Result: she dies, you live. Yess!!

When will men learn to use common sense?
Certainly women do, because no woman jumped in front of her bf and caught the bullets for him.

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Mojo July 24, 2012 at 03:11

Apparently, a radfem has killed herself.

This is a sad time for us all. Just ask the guys at AVfM. :(

http://neckbeardchronicles.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/the-blue-pill-is-strong-in-this-one.html

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Alan Vaughn July 24, 2012 at 03:24

@Eric

We need some leaders at this point who are going to stop tap-dancing to the media’s tune and start facing these issues squarely.

So true.
That could only be a viable solution however, after the steadfast culture of almost total manginaism is removed from all US governments at all levels, starting from the TOP (Barak) and working down.
Under the current democratic process for determining who leads the nation (and where the female vote appears to be of paramount importance), such a suggestion will never even be heard, let alone considered by anyone that matters…

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Ron July 24, 2012 at 03:37

In general I think you fellas are saying things that need to be considered.

When do we risk our lives to defend or protect others?

We all know instinctively, that a sociey where men look out for women, and women look out for the men is a healthy society. The question isnt if we have that anymore, the question is, what do we do now?

I dont think its an easy question.

I read on a website, some feminist bitterly complaining in regard to aurora about allowing people to walk around carrying concealed weapons, the very thing that would have allowed any of those three men to fight back properly. It is evident from her statement that deep down inside she is happy with the killings and wishes to see more dead men.

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Ron July 24, 2012 at 03:41

@Billy

Yes dear child, we are being insulting. That is the entire point. When we men see our brothers behaving foolishly we insult them as a warning to others not to engage in the same foolish behavior.

For example, the 19 year old who bravely defended a pregnant woman with his body, while the man she chose to father her baby litterally threw one of his children on the floor and not only left the theater but drove away. This 19 year old was brave and noble, and did something exceedingly foolish.

And you are right that we are insulting the survivors, especially the women, because we know that they treat us men with nothing but selfishness and contempt.

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freebird July 24, 2012 at 04:00

“But I think we can all agree that men generally make great meat shields.”

That’s the only thing we can sure of,and a fine distillation of the entire thread.

No disputing that one.
Some will revel in it,others will mourn.

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Darryl X July 24, 2012 at 04:01

@ Eric -

I hope the posts on Futrelle’s site and others illustrates for you the cold-blooded and parasitic nature of those kinds of people and that they do not represent civilization and that as more and more honest hard-working and innocent men are killed off by them, they will be living in a cave because they have neither the intelligence nor the initiative to do anything but defraud others and they are running out of victims. Eventually they will start cannibalizing themselves. Actually they already have started.

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Darryl X July 24, 2012 at 04:10

@ Billy -

You are incorrect that I or many men do not know these women. Forty-four years of feminism has produced enough data to show that these women are of extremely low character and are criminals. From a statistical perspective, the nature or character of those women is easily ascertainable. The probability is great that they are whores and that they have defrauded many innocent men or alleged falsely that they have committed serious crimes. And these women were never punished.

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walking in hell July 24, 2012 at 04:29

I am not sure the Aurora “event” actually happened as reported. But whether James Holmes was scopolamined and patsied as a new Lee Harvey Oswald, or the mainstream media account is somewhat truthful, the message or the mainstream media is clear:

As a man, you either die for your “sweetheart,” you become a psycho gunman, or you become a member of the legal class (police officer, attorney, judge, or DA).

None of these three choices bode well for your average man looking to hold a job and have a family.

Whether the shooting happened as reported or not, American men live in a depressing and chaotic cesspool and get no respect or sympathy.

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Peter South July 24, 2012 at 08:44

Troll King

Unless you look at older generations or parallel genetics(which don’t necessarily count) like grandmothers and brothers/sisters respectively, then I fail to see how a cuckolded man who sacrifices himself for “his” family increases his genetic footprint???

Right, there is no benefit to the man, he is like a cat who chases a tennis ball into traffic. Sometimes instincts are defective, many are out of date. They didn’t have highways and cars 30000 years ago. oops.

We always assume that our instincts are for our benefit. Why? Perhaps they are meant to benefit women, children and self serving men.

Men who refuse to sacrifice themselves and even laugh at the notion are more respected by women.

Sacrificing your life to save another is simply low self esteem. It says that anyone else’s life is worth more than mine.

As the gamecocks would say that’s s a DLV.

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walking in hell July 24, 2012 at 09:02

@eric
“Of course, the ever-affable Futrelle, after using the Colorado shooting as a laughing-stock to lampoon MRA’s, is complaining about the ‘insensitivity’ of some of our comments. ”

Futrelle sure spends lots of time on the spearhead. He is like the class tattletale.

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Jabberwocky July 24, 2012 at 10:18

I bet you James Holmes wouldn’t have committed mass murder is he was getting laid a lot.

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zed July 24, 2012 at 10:51

whether James Holmes was scopolamined and patsied as a new Lee Harvey Oswald, or the mainstream media account is somewhat truthful,

Ten bucks says he is a Ritalin boy.

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ck July 24, 2012 at 12:17

From Peter South:
“Men who refuse to sacrifice themselves and even laugh at the notion are more respected by women”.
While I am loathe to agree, it’s true. It’s that any form of kindness is seen as weakness. Giving your life for them isn’t seen for the noble and brave act that it is but an act of a weak man. They will pay lip service spouting off how brave you were but in a week or month will be f@cking someone else. Buy a girl a drink at a bar, she will leave with the thug who didn’t do jack sh@t for her.

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continent July 24, 2012 at 13:08

@walking in hell July 24, 2012 at 04:29
“Whether the shooting happened as reported or not, American men live in a depressing and chaotic cesspool and get no respect or sympathy”
You have become the accurate analyzer of the American (Western)
cesspool for most men unless they are members of the ruling class or
subservient executioners of of other men you enumerated (prosecutors, police officers, judges etc.)
Most of the summer I have not watched Dr.Phil, but turned it on today.
There he was (rerun likely) to end the cycle of domestic violence. I turned him off. The amainstream media is meditating its navel instead of pointing out the sacrrifice (worthy or not) of 3 White Knights against Dark Knight.

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Eric July 24, 2012 at 13:24

Darryl X;
The only thing of value in reading the comments on Futrelle’s site and others like his, is that is highly instructive of how women really think, especially where it concerns mens issues. Basically, the comments show women to be about as we know them to be: narcissistic, hypocritical, amoral, with a strong sense of superiority and entitlement.

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"The One" July 24, 2012 at 15:03

will “nobody apparently tried to stop the shooter. This is absolutely baffling.”

Nobody else had a gun. If the crowd had gone after James Holmes like a bunch of zombies, he might have killed even more.

I’m not going to say any of these guys made a dumb decision to protect their girlfriend. But their chivalry might have caught the eye of the gunman.

It’s a normal thing for a guy to do, but those who are emotionally inverted, virtues such as courage and altruism make them angry.

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Mikhael Varpole July 24, 2012 at 15:36

The heroic men who sacrificed themselves are, in the end, sadly, byproducts of a misandrist culture. Like good boyfriends/bodyguards/indentured servants, they were taught to self-sacrifice; taught the superior value of the Female; taught to throw themselves- as mere men- under the bus.

On an individual level, these men are heroes. Together, they represent all the damage feminism has done.

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The Whammer July 24, 2012 at 15:46

@Eric-those female traits may to a greater or lessor degree be common to the female but the Boob’s site is really just a handful of freaks talking to each other and means nothing.

In the real word, homosexuals are like 1% of the population;lesbians are 1/2 of 1% and even here in my opinion that’s too high because 1/2 of that number are likely just straight confused girls who are being groomed by dykes. And transsexuals are such a minute group that they don’t even matter. According to the DSM, transsexualmen are like 1 in 50,000, and transsexual females are 1 in 100,00 (think Chaz Bono although I don’t think she’s got a penis transplant yet)
So there are 3k men and 1500 female transsexuals in the US I’m not certain how many of these have actually converted but the actual number is low for these people who suffer from this psychiatric disorder.
These are the freaks posting on fat Davy’s site, along with “depressed” fat girls who believe they have a disabilty and should get SS disability and a few other assorted mutants and retards.
Futrelle is himself just another bitter loser who obviously feels some kinship to the other losers in society who are attracted to his site like flies to shit. Futrelle tried writing for the pop “financial” magazine Money but was a complete failure and the few articles he wrote all got the thumb’s down from the handful of readers who even bothered to read them.
btw, has anyone who has read this Money magazine ever made any money lol

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Eric July 24, 2012 at 20:00

Darryl X:
LOL, I see our pal, Mr. Manboob, isn’t finished with his hate-fest. He actually held up ck’s tragic story as an object of ridicule; his groupies jumping in for even more fun and frolic.

These are examples of the fine flowers of femininity our culture produces. No wonder more and men are abandoning them for real women that normal cultures produce.

I can’t help but notice that in two back-to-back articles, Manblobz chooses to ridicule ck and Keonigalt as ‘nice guys’. You know, if I were one of his female groupies, I think I might just take a long, hard look at any MAN (like Futrelle) who hangs around the grrlz all the time and scrupuously tells them to avoid other guys who are ‘nice.’ Is that the kind of guy you’d want your daughter to associate with? I don’t think so…

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Dannyfrom504 July 24, 2012 at 20:47

To the poster who said te nature of men is that of a warrior. And that men will ultimately fight- even if the enemy is women….

The great thing about feminism is it makes it easier to recognize the enemy.

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piercedhead July 24, 2012 at 22:48

“Ten bucks says he is a Ritalin boy.”-zed

I’m figuring also the off-spring of an over-bearing feminist solo mother.

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Gamerp4 July 25, 2012 at 00:19

Well James Holmes is cute according to these girls in twitter.

Well guys who gave their life are CREEP, RAPIST, PEDOPHILES and MISOGYNISTIC BASTARD but James holmes is Cute http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17ttvpxg1lfesjpg/original.jpg

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Oilsands July 25, 2012 at 02:20

Let’s not jump to a too hasty conclusion about assuming that it was a lone gunman.

I’ve watched mainstream news channels video interviews with eyewitnesses who claim a man at the front of the movie theatre took a phone call and opened the door for another man to enter. Additionally, there are reports of smoke / gas grenades coming from 2 different directions.

We’ve seen a number of false flags lately, that when identified, got buried immediately by the media.

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Darryl X July 25, 2012 at 04:47

@ Eric -

re Eric July 24, 2012 at 13:24

Agreed. Except throw in a pinch of self delusion. And you forgot sugar and spice and everything nice. LOL

What really concerns me is not the lack of analytical skills but the belief that they have them and their attempt to apply them in the most self-serving and non-objective (subjective) way. Absolutely destructive. That site is an example of why all of civilization is at the precipice of collapse. Our country is run by sociopaths and these are the people who are informing the sociopaths. It’s the blind leading the blind. Or worse, evil people leading evil people.

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Oilsands July 25, 2012 at 06:10

Chateau, for the first time in an article , I think you may want to re-consider what you wrote.

I ‘m going to go completely against the grain of this whole article , because evidence from eye witnesses point to at least one other person involved.

1) Man in the front row took phone call, moved to emergency exit to take it, wedged the door and later the gunman entered there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P6AxtizCyw

2) The gas canisters came from different directions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xHP3ich754

Further, the Police Chief who , bizarrely , came out so quickly flatly stating it was a lone gunman, was formerly with the NYC Dept. and was an advocate for gun control / confiscation.

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Towgunner July 25, 2012 at 07:01

@ ck:

Great post – I’m right there with you too. My eyes are wide open, we built this place and made it great only to have our achievements degraded by words like “chic” and “posh”. Importantly, women being apparently smarter than men can’t seem to understand that chic and posh carried a horrific cost. Worse they don’t acknowledge this fact because it will ruin their little party, thus, emotion over-rides their perception of reality. And all the while, we’re supposed to now all accept the notion that women are fully superior to men? Like you, I can’t see a good future or any future for that matter. Among many things, it’s the absence of reason and the prevalence of irrationality, hypocrisy, weakness and frivolity. The hypocrisy and paradoxes are what grates on me the most…things like if someone makes the slightest hint of the observable fact that men and women are different it’s met with venomous attack meanwhile on major periodicals “they” openly call us inferior, that we’re obsolete etc. And our smarter women don’t recall history class where these very same sound bites were used by the nazis and in reference to blacks.

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Common Monster July 25, 2012 at 10:01

I’m not sure what the Price/Hamilton line of reasoning has to do with the kinds of situations under discussion here, because they describe things in terms of the degree of relatedness of the people involved, and this is zero for gfs/bfs. What makes “relationships” (marriage, generally) so problematical is precisely that the two people are unrelated.

I think people need to be skeptical of the media narratives which emerge around a story like this. We may never know exactly what really happened fraction of a second by fraction of a second for all several hundred people who were there. Very little about what was happening in the chaos will be able to be corroborated by multiple reliable eyewitnesses, basically all of whom were focused solely on survival, anything else they may have noted being incidental.

I’m sure no one in a position to do so is gonna ever ask one of the surviving, “saved” gfs: “Did you jump behind him in an effort to shield youself?”.

Maybe there was some good old-fashioned total male self-sacrificing going on there, but I suspect it’s been exaggerated, by exactly how much is impossible to say. For 99% of the people out there this at least lends a feel-good element to what is otherwise a total downer of a story.

At the very least, reports so far make it sound as if men were more likely to try and take charge of things in their immediate vicinity (though a bunch of this apparently was just men telling shrieking women to be quiet), but that has to do with leadership rather than altruism.

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Eric July 25, 2012 at 11:11

Whammer:
I agree that nobody concerned with making money should ever bother reading financial magazines like ‘Money’; and no real woman would ever bother reading Manboobz.

The problem is that those types of women are fairly reflective of female attitudes throughout our society in general. They might be a little more blatant and open about it on his site—but most women would heartily agree with him and what’s being said over there.

‘Futrelle himself is just another bitter loser who obviously feels some kinship to other losers in society who are drawn to him.’

True enough—but women in our culture are attracted to bitter losers just like him.

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Eric July 25, 2012 at 12:06

Gamerp4:
Yeah…

As an aspiring neuroscientist, a part-time athlete, a son of a respectable, church-going family, Holmes was a ‘guy who mostly kept to himself’, according to news reports. But with a dead, vacant stare, orange hair, and on trial for gunning down nearly 80 people in cold blood—now, the bitches are lining up to have his baby.

As for the heores who’d take bullets for them? Oh well…sure they were nice guys and everything, but…isn’t the orange hair kinda cool?

Thanks again grrrlz for giving any decent man ample reason to avoid you all like the plague.

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Charles Martel July 25, 2012 at 14:42

Oilsands
I ‘m going to go completely against the grain of this whole article , because evidence from eye witnesses point to at least one other person involved.

If one were so inclined, one might make the following factual observations:

1. Holmes dropped out of his PhD program a while ago and was a semi-recluse.
2. He was drugged to the point of zombiedom in his court appearance.
3. The shooter wore a mask and so can not be identified by eye witnesses. Except for the red hair. A man with red hair in a gas mask.
4. The shooter dropped all his gear outside the back door of the theater, except for the mask, which was found at the corner of the building some distance away from the exit door, out of sight of security cameras and a short distance from a road.
5. Holmes was arrested in his car which was parked next to the back door of the theater. Holmes was under the influence of drugs when he was arrested.
6. The police were on the scene within moments. Some sources are reporting the police were conducting a mass shooting drill at the Aurora mall at the time of the….mass shooting.

Food for thought.

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The Whammer July 25, 2012 at 15:20

@Eric- females may have a lot of bad traits but the “girls” on the Boob’s site are from another planet. There are a million blogs around and it’s very easy to attract a handful of freaks to a blog. Prior to computers becoming as common as the boobtube these freaks were never heard from and just hid in the shadows. These were the weird and wacko “females” in their area who parents warned their kids to stay away from. But with the advent of cheap computers after 2000 these loner females and freaks who rarely leave the house now have a tool to annoy normal people and spew their hateful venom. And in the real world boys like Futrelle are complete failures and it’s unlikely that he has any male friends or even acquaintances. He spends all of his time trolling around”dating sites” cherry picking some profile, which any normal person could see is just a joke, and using that as an example of an average man;or readings men’s sites and picking some comment and using that as an example of “hate” in the men’s movement even though as we all know anyone can post a comment on a blog including an agent provocateur. Davey also seems to hang out all day at his keyboard looking to ban anyone who writes anything that doesn’t fit into the retarded groupthink of his freaks.
This guy is your complete failure who has nothing else in life but his dopey blog and should just be ignored. Your local village idiot is a lot more intelligent and amusing than this guy.
The only value of reading the comments on the boobblog is to study abnormal psychology and how the twisted mind operates.

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The Whammer July 25, 2012 at 22:25

He was drugged to the point of zombiedom in his court appearance

Who drugged him?

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