Are Men Really in Charge?

by W.F. Price on July 6, 2012

President Obama gives us all a little advice:

President Barack Obama, marriage counselor?

The president stopped at the Kozy Corners diner in Oak Harbor, Ohio, on Thursday for what political campaigns dub an “OTR”—an “off the record” event that isn’t on the formal schedule—and doled out a bit of marriage advice.

“Just do whatever she tells you to,” Obama told a man sitting with his wife at a table during a brief chat about what makes a good marriage. The president’s words were collected by The New York Times reporter Mark Landler, the print “pool reporter.”

There was speculation that Hillary Clinton called the shots in office, but it’s pretty clear that Bill didn’t always obey her. With Obama, I’m not so sure.

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"The One" July 6, 2012 at 13:22

That’s just plain weird for him to say that. He obviously doesn’t realize how dumb such a statement makes him look.

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Josh the Aspie July 6, 2012 at 13:29

He already has a reputation for being an appeaser, being weak, and having no spine or real male power. This fits the pattern to a TEA.

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Towgunner July 6, 2012 at 13:32

Are men really in charge? Definitely, and there may be some women too. Whoever is tending the light behind the federal reserve is in charge. barry obama isn’t in charge. If we ask that question in reference to the ideal of a free man per our constitution then the answer is no, men are not in charge and neither are women. Alternatively, women may think they’re in charge…but they’re actually prisoners of themselves such as their tendency to spend themselves and the country in debt they’ll never be able to pay. In that light women are the actuators of our slavery.

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Troll King July 6, 2012 at 13:45

OT.
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/what-about-the-men-chapter-1-introduction-and-principles/

Ozy Frantz and Noah Brand have written a book, or are in the process, and the first thing they do is bash MRAs.

We must be having some effect if they are this determined to wrestle away and appropriate and colonize our sphere.

I really doubt it will have much of an affect. There might be a few feminist guys and maybe even a few blue pill guys who find it useful but most men, especially those who fit in the “hegemonic masculinity or manbox” to some degree will just laugh at it.

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Zorro July 6, 2012 at 14:06

Only Joe Biden can perform a self-abasing act of public cunnilingus with greater flair than his boss.

Don’t mean to get political, but you can always depend on the Democrats to trade lies and myths in order to purchase the votes of (1) women, (2) poor people, and (3) anyone who thinks the world is out to get them.

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Days of Broken Arrows July 6, 2012 at 14:06

Obama is no idiot. What he did he is told a “pretty lie,” one that you have to do if you want to be a successful with women if you’re a politician. This is a dog and pony show to get the women’s vote. Clinton was also really good at this — so good that women didn’t even mind his caddish behavior.

Bill Maher addresses this subject in one of his routines. He speaks of “living in an Orwellian world where we have to pretend to concur with the women’s point of view.” He goes on to say “It’s easier to make women nod than to live in the doghouse.” Below is the routine, the good part starts at around 3:00.
http://youtu.be/N4iHCfuRWIQ

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Keyster July 6, 2012 at 14:17

It’s gratutious deference to women between men; knowing full well that when things get serious HE’S the one really in charge. It’s a form of indirect flattery for women, and they actually believe it. Like telling them they look beautiful, when they really don’t.

Making them think they’re in charge helps keep the peace.
It’s part of the “Man Code”.

Conflict arises when the man actually DOES believe she’s in charge and defers to her, because he’s been told all his life that women are in charge. A good father teaches him she’s never really in charge.

When it comes to Obama, he pretty much calls the shots in the marriage ever since he became President. Back when he was a community organizer and state senator and she was a lawyer and then
PR director for University of Chicago Medical Center (pulling in $200K a year), it might have been a different dynamic. I’m sure she defers to him (not his staff) when conflict arises…not because he’s her husband, but because he’s the President. That’s a position of authority she can respect.

Hillary was like a member of Clinton’s staff, she worked with them. This is not the case with Michelle. They keep her sequestered in the East Wing, away from the day to day activities. That’s probably the way Barrack wants it.

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Anonymous age 70 July 6, 2012 at 14:19

Let me say again the real problem is the 45 years of not permitting men to speak on sex issues. Any attempt for men to speak out has been met from day one with a vicious attack on that person. The end result is women simply have no idea how men feel about all the anti-male laws passed over the 45 years. And stupidly assume men not being permitted to speak out means men were happy with what was being done to them.

So, when a women encounters a man who is telling exactly what men really think and feel they assume he is some kind of woman-hating monster.

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Josh the Aspie July 6, 2012 at 14:29

@Zorro:

Close. I think what you think is out to get you is going to determine which party is going after your vote, more than the idea that something is.

If you think that cow farts, money, and white/male power are out to get you, you’re probably a democrat/marxist/etc.

If you think that bad science, taxes, and entitlement programs are out to get you, you’re probably a republican.

If you think that governments IN GENERAL is out to get you, you’re probably either a Tea Party member a Libertarian, or an Anarchist depending on if you think foreign or domestic armies are the bigger threat; and if you think that Government in general is a necessary evil that must be watched, or an unnecessary one that must be abolished.

If you think that all of the above and more is out to get you… you’re probably a member of the tin foil brigade, and I’m not sure where, if anyplace, you vote.

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Buddy Guy July 6, 2012 at 14:43

The corporations serve the costumers, 80% of which are women.

The media somewhat serves the advertising agencies who serve the viewers/readers of media but especially the viewers who spend more(women.)

The politicians/judges/etc serve the voters, most of which are women.

It’s possible the POTUS is only pretending to be a mangina.

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Anonymous July 6, 2012 at 14:44

“But what difference does it make whether women rule, or the rulers are ruled by women?”

It brings up an interesting paper on the rights of Spartan women.

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Keyster July 6, 2012 at 15:14

And stupidly assume men not being permitted to speak out means men were happy with what was being done to them.

The last thing they considered was whether men were happy about it or not. I remember it being more an attitude of “If they don’t like it TOO BAD, they’ll just have to adapt!” And that’s precisely what’s starting to happen, although it took longer than it should have. Sex is a powerful weapon to wield against men. And yet some remain tied to the mast.

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Jennifer July 6, 2012 at 15:20

Another report on the White House marriage? They were asked which were their biggest complaints against each other. Mr. Obama? “I don’t have any”. Mrs. Obama? “Oh, too many to count”. No wonder he thinks he should just do whatever the bitch says.

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dragnet July 6, 2012 at 15:30

@ keyster

I agree. Barack has a henpecked reputation in the manosphere, but I doubt that’s how it plays out in real life. In reality, I think he’s just saying this shit because all politicians have to pay lip service to female supremacy to get votes. This was pure political calculation.

And it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Michelle did generally defer to him.

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Turbo the drycleaner July 6, 2012 at 15:34

While i have met many conservatives who were managed by their wives, i have yet to meet one leftist who wasnt

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crella July 6, 2012 at 15:44

Good lord, it sounds like cheap sitcom material….

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Factory July 6, 2012 at 15:54

“Barack has a henpecked reputation in the manosphere, but I doubt that’s how it plays out in real life.”

Well, who is to say it doesn’t? If I had some cash, and wanted to make a difference, I would start an advertising campaign painting Barack as a spineless supplicant to women, taking orders from them and afraid to speak against them in any way.

Then, I would drum that meme until he either lost by a landslide, or he was forced to ‘defend’ his position.

And ANY ‘defense’ of his position would only dig him in deeper, either as a ‘traitor to women’, or a ‘pussy begging mangina that can’t be trusted’.

Either way, he loses, shilling for women becomes a political liability, and the Mens Rights agenda becomes more mainstream.

I’m just sayin’.

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Charles Martel July 6, 2012 at 16:10

And it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Michelle did generally defer to him.

No way. She’s an epic ballbuster. In this one regard, I feel sorry for him. There are stories about how Michelle was unhaaappy and on the point of divorcing Barack before he was elected President.

What does it say about American women when being elected POTUS is not enough. The good news, Mr. President, is you ARE the alpha male. The bad news is you’re STILL Michelle’s bitch. They’d both be happier if he slapped some sense into her. Might lose him a couple of votes in November though.

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Pangloss July 6, 2012 at 16:44

Obama leaving press conference because of keeping wife waiting (after 30 seconds):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhzOz93R7f8

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Pangloss July 6, 2012 at 17:07

Barrack Obama introducing “the power house of the white house …. the one truly in charge… Michelle Obama” 2:53-3:15.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJylq0rsWKM
Greetings from Amsterdam, The Netherlands, where such low levels of powerless sadness have not been attained yet. But the USA tends to export such behavior with delight. And so we wait to have our our own. For those of you still believing your votes are counted and your presidents democratically elected, what more proof do you need that this cannot possibly be the case?! You should hope this man was appointed (by the powers that be) and not elected. After Kennedy no-one in that White House on the hill had balls to fight for anything worth dying for. Yes, we here deserve our own leaders. They are about a sad as yours. Just in a different vein.

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GT66 July 6, 2012 at 17:17

“The One” : ” That’s just plain weird for him to say that. He obviously doesn’t realize how dumb such a statement makes him look.”

He’d rather been seen as a huge mangina twit to 350 million people by supplicating to his bitch wife than to grow a spine and be a leader of men. Imagine how big of a self-loathing piece of shit you gotta be to make that choice.

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GT66 July 6, 2012 at 17:20

Charles Martel “The good news, Mr. President, is you ARE the alpha male. ”

He’s no Alpha. This country hasn’t had an alpha president since the sixties.

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Masculist Man July 6, 2012 at 18:02

but you can always depend on the Democrats to trade lies and myths in order to purchase the votes of (1) women, (2) poor people, and (3) anyone who thinks the world is out to get them.

Actually like: but you can always depend on the Democrats to trade lies and myths in order to purchase the votes of (1) women, (2) and anyone else who thinks the world is out to get them.

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Zorro July 6, 2012 at 18:05

@Josh the Aspie: Agreed.

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Charles Martel July 6, 2012 at 18:11

He’s no Alpha. This country hasn’t had an alpha president since the sixties.

Maybe not in the current manosphere sense. But he’s Alpha in the sense of pack leader, top dog, that’s beyond dispute, regardless of what you may think of him.

In any case, my point was that Michelle is married to the President of the United States and she STILL busts his balls. Her sheer, sublime egotism is breathtaking. American woman writ large.

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Attila July 6, 2012 at 18:20

Teleprompter-in-Chief is an alpha mangina.

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Pirran July 6, 2012 at 18:49

There’s really only two options: he’s either creepy and disingenuous or contemptibly spineless.

Neither prospect will appeal to men, or a good many women. He’d better hope he can guilt more than just the hipsters to vote for him. Otherwise, everyone’s raciss.

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Poester99 July 6, 2012 at 19:20

Like somehow a woman can never be wrong, or if she is wrong she can’t be told so because it would hurt her feelings, like for a child. Obama wouldn’t know true gender equality if it ran over him.

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Poester99 July 6, 2012 at 19:22

Teleprompter-in-Chief is an alpha mangina.

I wonder how he will keep his cool in debates? Probably by never answering a question, and still getting the mighty thumbs up from the MSM.

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Poester99 July 6, 2012 at 19:27

Either way, he loses, shilling for women becomes a political liability, and the Mens Rights agenda becomes more mainstream.

If you could somehow target black men, you might make a difference. Obama has damage control going on all over the black community right now apparently, because if the economy if bad for men everywhere, it generally much worst for poor black men.
Wonder if Romney will choose Condi Rice as a running mate? That would be an interesting dynamic.

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Poester99 July 6, 2012 at 19:30

@Zorro
(3) anyone who thinks the world is out to get them.

Except for WN types

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Eric July 6, 2012 at 19:59

Poester99:

Condi Rice is exactly what we don’t need. These manginas fold at every female’s insistance; and these ‘strong women’ are always the men’s downfall. Michelle Obama will be Barack’s downfall, regardless of his policies.

Condi was, in many ways, the downfall of Bush; and Palin was to McCain. Hillary was to Bill Clinton. The best thing for Romney to do is pick a strong male leader and prove himself on men’s side for once.

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Anon July 6, 2012 at 20:04

“Obama is no idiot. What he did he is told a “pretty lie,” one that you have to do if you want to be a successful with women if you’re a politician. This is a dog and pony show to get the women’s vote….”
-DBA above

That’s right. Women are at least 50% of those who vote. Do you remember the recent fiascos in which politicians are recorded while unaware? I think Obama was ready for this one.

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Eric July 6, 2012 at 20:08

Dragnet:
It maybe so, but Obama would get my vote if he stood up to these feminist bitches. I think it would have been great if the reporter asked:

R: ‘What is the secret to a happy marriage’

O: ‘Do whatever she says.’

R: ‘Why? Doesn’t she know how to cook?’

The media should challenge this crap too.

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Keyster July 6, 2012 at 20:34

While I think Obama is wholly incompetent and in WAY over his head, the man exudes confidence and has swagger – – key ingredients that got him elected. I also think Michelle Obama comprehends at least this much; that the Presidency is bigger than their marriage and her feelings. She’s sucking it up and dealing with it, like most first ladies throughout history have done. She also has her own staff that manages her schedule and keeps her occupied enough from meddling in her husband’s duties. Ironically, like many black families, her mother tends to the children inbetween family photo ops.

As far as whether he’s re-elected she’s probably rather neutral. They can make much more money with far less hassle in the private sector, but she’d also like to see his “legacy” upheld as a two term President.

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Eric July 6, 2012 at 20:41

Keyster:
I’ve never thought of Obama as projecting confidence or swagger. When I think of confidence and swagger, I think of Harry Truman.

The Gamesters never agree with me on this point, but women can smell weakness in a man like animals can smell fear or sharks can smell blood. And they gravitate like the herd animals they are towards such men, because they see them as easier to control.

The women voters saw Obama as a mangina and a weakling, totally under the thumb of his ‘powerful’ wife and that’s why they chose him. A man like Truman couldn’t be president today.

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Keyster July 6, 2012 at 20:44

“Obama is no idiot. What he did he is told a “pretty lie,” one that you have to do if you want to be a successful with women if you’re a politician. This is a dog and pony show to get the women’s vote….”
-DBA above

He also adopts a southern negro speech inflection when talking to black groups, (dropping his “g’s” and such). But then shifts to a more white dialect when speaking to say a Union group in the north. These nuances in presentation are calculated. I don’t think it’s ever been more obvious than with Obama…brilliant campaigner and orator, disastrous Leader.

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Anonymous Reader July 6, 2012 at 20:47

Facts:

1. Women are a majority of the registered voters.
2. Married women tend to vote for Party R, and unmarried women tend to vote for Party D.
3. Barry Obama needs as many women to vote for him as possible.

Conclusion:

Barry needs to be as much of a mangina as possible, in order to retain the babymomma / divorcee / single woman vote. As a bonus, his manginaness will likely attract those married women prone to vote for his party.

PS: I suspect this is not entirely an act. Mrs. Obama has more muscle than he does and may have a longer reach.

PPS: This makes Barry the biggest mangina ever in the White House. Clinton was clearly a PUA natural, and I’m sure that got a lot of votes for him. Bush Sr. and Jr. appeased women in more traditional ways. Reagan on back? Nah. If we have to have all this Progressive nonsense, at least could it be from someone with more huevos, like T. Roosevelt?

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Keyster July 6, 2012 at 20:58

The women voters saw Obama as a mangina and a weakling, totally under the thumb of his ‘powerful’ wife and that’s why they chose him. A man like Truman couldn’t be president today.

Totally disagree.
Obama received 78% of the female vote in 2008. Women were CRUCIAL to his election…hence the War on Women narrative, his call to Sandra Fluke to see if “she was doing OK”. His very first Executive Order was the Lily Ledbetter Act to appease Feminists for beating Hillary–then came ObamaCare with untold “freebies” for women.

My mother was a staunch life-long Republican. She voted for JFK. When I asked her why she said, “Oh, because he’s SO HANDSOME!” Believe me, the average American voter’s mind does not run too deep. And there WILL be women who vote for Romney because he’s “SO HANDSOME”. Again, politicians and their operatives calculate EVERY move…especially sex appeal to women.

Hillary? Well…not so sexy.
Frumpy, dowdy and bitter is more like it.
A good woman would have never given her husband a reason to cheat on her. She would have satiated his “needs”. LOL!

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pb July 6, 2012 at 21:03

“But he’s Alpha in the sense of pack leader, top dog, that’s beyond dispute, regardless of what you may think of him.”

But has he really earned that status? At least animals have to fight for that position and earn it, no? Humans can get that power by less respectable means. He may have power, but I don’t think he’s earned it, not if the majority of [real] men wouldn’t have given it to him.

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Eric July 6, 2012 at 21:35

Keyster:
You’re probably right: these Madison Avenue shylocks don’t get paid the big bucks without knowing how to ‘package the product’. Really, it’s a deeper flaw with our voting system that gets guys like Bush and Obama into power. The right to vote needs to be severely restricted; but I have no idea how a politician could ever propose something like that and come out of it alive.

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Keyster July 6, 2012 at 21:54

The right to vote needs to be severely restricted; but I have no idea how a politician could ever propose something like that and come out of it alive.

Eric:
It’s a flawed and very messy system. Even our founding fathers had their doubts about its permanence. Until a better way to govern comes along it’ll have to do. I think the ubiquity of the internet sets the stage for a transformation in decades to come. Adams and Jefferson would have loved the internet! – – the efficiency of dispersing “speech” and exchange of ideas, like you and me here.

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GT66 July 6, 2012 at 22:02

Charles Martel “Maybe not in the current manosphere sense. But he’s Alpha in the sense of pack leader, top dog, that’s beyond dispute, regardless of what you may think of him.”

No, it’s not beyond dispute. At best, he’s top puppet. He was put in that sport by handlers and marketers not by any strength he had. People saw a viable puppet and viola!

” In any case, my point was that Michelle is married to the President of the United States and she STILL busts his balls. Her sheer, sublime egotism is breathtaking. American woman writ large.”

Well that’s not in dispute and if you really think Obama can be an alpha while tuck his tail between his legs every time his ball breaking bitch wife is around then we are in real trouble in this society.

How do you square his boot licking behavior towards women and his alpha status? You can’t, because he’s no alpha. He’s a chump who was *given* his job knows who gave it to him. And before you think I have any sort of political leaning, Romney is a noodle spined suck ass as well.

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Huck Finn July 6, 2012 at 22:04

Many modern women with their values, sense of entitlement, and self-absorption can’t handle a traditional dominant alpha male husband. Conversely, these same modern women can’t respect, stay loyal and attached to, or simply long-term love a gentle, overly sensitive, egalitarian beta male…who does whatever she tells them to do.

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Eric July 6, 2012 at 22:20

GT66 & Huck Finn:
Really all it demonstrates is that these ‘alpha’ and ‘beta’ archetypes are completely meaningless. I doubt if Obama learned ‘Game’ it would help him any.

Obama is a mangina and his wife chose him as vehicle for her own power drives; the same way today’s women chose any man for a relationship. They hate all men; and Barack would become expendable, just like Clinton did for Hillary, once she has no further use for him. That’s the only ‘quality’ feminised women ever see in a man—how he can serve her immediate needs.

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evilwhitemalempire July 6, 2012 at 22:34

Factory July 6, 2012 at 15:54
“Barack has a henpecked reputation in the manosphere, but I doubt that’s how it plays out in real life.”

Well, who is to say it doesn’t? If I had some cash, and wanted to make a difference, I would start an advertising campaign painting Barack as a spineless supplicant to women, taking orders from them and afraid to speak against them in any way.

Then, I would drum that meme until he either lost by a landslide, or he was forced to ‘defend’ his position.

And ANY ‘defense’ of his position would only dig him in deeper, either as a ‘traitor to women’, or a ‘pussy begging mangina that can’t be trusted’.

Either way, he loses, shilling for women becomes a political liability, and the Mens Rights agenda becomes more mainstream.

I’m just sayin’.

——————————–
not a bad idea

keep on sayin’

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evilwhitemalempire July 6, 2012 at 22:54

Eric July 6, 2012 at 20:08
Dragnet:
It maybe so, but Obama would get my vote if he stood up to these feminist bitches.

I think it would have been great if the reporter asked:

R: ‘What is the secret to a happy marriage’

O: ‘Do whatever she says.’

R: ‘Why? Doesn’t she know how to cook?’

The media should challenge this crap too.

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er, what planet are you from?

your comments here reveal so much that is so wrongheaded about leftist/fence sitter antifem

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evilwhitemalempire July 6, 2012 at 22:58

Keyster July 6, 2012 at 20:44
He also adopts a southern negro speech inflection when talking to black groups, (dropping his “g’s” and such). But then shifts to a more white dialect when speaking to say a Union group in the north. These nuances in presentation are calculated. I don’t think it’s ever been more obvious than with Obama…brilliant campaigner and orator, disastrous Leader.
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note also how much whiter the man appeared on camera prior to his election

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evilwhitemalempire July 6, 2012 at 23:02

My mother was a staunch life-long Republican. She voted for JFK. When I asked her why she said, “Oh, because he’s SO HANDSOME!”
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goes to show you how much business females have voting

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Eric July 6, 2012 at 23:20

EvilWhiteMaleEmpire:
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

With all the politicians and media bending over backwards to appease feminists; males are increasingly disenfranchised. What I meant was that if any politician —even one as low as Obama; or any media outlet—even one as low as CNN; could gain respect and support from men just by standing up to the feminists.

Of course, they’ll never actually DO that—but the point was that there is a huge reservoir of male voters and activists that is currently untapped because no one in government or media understands its potential.

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evilwhitemalempire July 6, 2012 at 23:56

the point was that there is a huge reservoir of male voters and activists that is currently untapped because no one in government or media understands its potential.
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true

there is also a reservoir of politicians currently untapped by mra’s because too many mra’s have race/class issues that they put in front of men’s rights

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evilwhitemalempire July 7, 2012 at 02:57

just occured to me

the title of this post SHOULD read “are real men in charge?” not “are men really in charge?”

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freebird July 7, 2012 at 04:41

I don’t bother with the goodman project,their sole mission is to keep asserting the subversive feminist narrative.Everything couched in terms of how acceptable male behavior is to wimmin.That’s not acceptable,and a waste of time.

Reddit is also a waste of time,continual mental masturbation that
promotes dialectic compromises and perpetual conflict,certainly not a “male space.”

This here forum is the only decent place around that still lets wymyn comment.
Most places have to ban female content to avoid being subverted.
That fact is the wimmins are used to having their way,all the time,and never being challenged when entering and controlling male spaces.
No, the men were never in charge.
But we are making strides to not tolerating wholesale manipulation and being silenced when voicing male views.

It would be sweet if this assertion would manifest itself in physical male spaces and the general public also.
Right now the media and other factors such as nagging to destruction and the biased court system keep men silent.

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Keyster July 7, 2012 at 08:56

there is also a reservoir of politicians currently untapped by mra’s because too many mra’s have race/class issues that they put in front of men’s rights

That’s the elephant in the room right there.
They try to seperate social activism from political activism, and end up in a perpetual state of “failure to launch”. I honestly believe many MRA’s fear politics because they don’t fully understand it.

If you were raised and indocrinated a dyed-in-the-wool, conservative hating, Liberal and later discover how feminism has screwed men and society, you constantly struggle to reconcile your belief system with men’s rights. You’ll spend an inordinate amount of energy to prove SoCon/TradCons are just as bad because they see men as “expendable utilities” or a whole other “victim class”- – which is a Liberal tenet.

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Art Vandelay July 7, 2012 at 09:31

You’ll spend an inordinate amount of energy to prove SoCon/TradCons are just as bad because they see men as “expendable utilities” or a whole other “victim class”- – which is a Liberal tenet.

It’s not like there aren’t any SoCons/TradCons who fit the bill perfectly with their pedestalization and “man up” language. A lot of them still think in terms and mentally live in times that don’t exist (and for some like Santorum never existed in their lifetime). Where are the Republicans who want to hold women responsible?

Still you won’t find anyone on the left who’ll risk to anger feminists, so it’s probably better to educate the right, hoping they might be able to change their minds.

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Charles Martel July 7, 2012 at 09:50

GT66
No, it’s not beyond dispute. At best, he’s top puppet. He was put in that sport by handlers and marketers not by any strength he had. People saw a viable puppet and viola!

Maybe we should take a vote. Does holding the office of President of the United States confer alpha status on the holder? I say yes. You say no.

This is a viola by the way.

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dhanu July 7, 2012 at 10:16

Obama is a ‘White’ knight (a high-position holder but overly chivalrous, the enabler), not an alpha (naturally dominant and sexually or romantically popular among women, can be a poor fellow though). As another example, Clinton was both.

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"The One" July 7, 2012 at 15:00

Charles Martel writes “But he’s Alpha in the sense of pack leader, top dog, that’s beyond dispute, regardless of what you may think of him.”

“The One” clears his throat. Someone might dispute that. Someone unconstrained by any checks and balances, term limits, political boundaries or limited scope. Someone with singular status…

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Centaur July 7, 2012 at 16:53

The discussion here seems to verge on the edge of delusion. Obama, and Romney couldn’t care a damn less about anything other than winning. And the people who bankroll them can care less about anything other than money and power. Mens Rights issues are meaningless to both except as way to, maybe, curry favor for votes. Everything either of them say are calculated for that and that only. Forget your “impressions” they are meaningless and mean only that you buy into whatever you buy into and see what you want to see. Neither will change a damn thing for men, except as a side effect of some other desire on the part of elites who see a way to make more money and gain more power.
The MRA is just full of useless wastes of mental time.
Arguing about left/right, alpha/beta, con/lib, race etc is all one big projection of some other internalized BS designed to get you to behave a certain way and believe certain generalizations that make you an easier tool for manipulation.
1.Left/Right- casting left/right as manly/feminine is just a way for elites to keep men divided and thus weak concerning economic issues. Once a person, for example, decides he is a “con” he becomes a useful tool in getting him to vote for certain economic platforms that may or may not help him. he will vote based on this fiction of “conservative” as a way to prove his masculinity. On the left it works the same way. Fact is men on the left and right are both being fucked by the same laws in the same way and those laws are chosen with only one criteria in mind- what makes the rich richer. Thats all.
2.Alpha/beta- works the same way. Men will define alpha/beta in ways that benefit their self image and thats all it is. It means nothing in reality, but it keeps men feeling good about themselves by finding some side to be on..while they continue being tools too distracted pretending to be one or the other to actually work together to do something like actually changing laws that get men fucked in court.
3.Race- another way for, mostly, white emasculated males to find a scapegoat for the fact that they are being bent over and fucked by their women. Notice it is mostly white men in power and white women who are fucking over and destroying white men.. but hey, lets jump on some latino or a blacks .. because it makes you feel better than somebody else. Its also a great way to keep men at each others throats as they get screwed over. It deflects anger from where it should be aimed- at the elites and women- who are doing the real fucking over of men.
But hey, have at it.

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MZT July 7, 2012 at 16:59

Who is going to take relationship advice from a guy who calls his wife “superior?” …while she refers to him as “cute.” If that’s his idea of modern marriage, he should be the last one giving advice.

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Eric July 7, 2012 at 18:16

Centaur:
Well-put. The political and corporate elites have a vested interest in keeping divisiveness going for its own sake. They themselves could care less what form of government or economic system or race or religion is the ‘window-dressing’, just so long as they’re behind the curtains actually pulling the strings. The MRM is a human rights’ issue that transcends all these peripheral ones.

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Lyn87 July 7, 2012 at 19:16

Ah.. the old argument about what defines an alpha. The traditional meaning is the man who other men follow. Women were attracted by the fact that he wielded power, so he was also successful with hypergamous women. The traditional alpha theoretically possessed both traits (power over men and mating success with women): it wasn’t either/or. But now it is possible to have either characteristic without having the other, and different men choose one or the other as defining “Alpha-ness.” Women and PUA’s choose the latter definition: successful with hypergamous women. Individual men are capable of deciding if they think women and game gurus are correct, or if they agree with Charles Martel’s definition: the man who other men follow.

“Alpha” means different things to different people, so when Charles Martel says that Obama is an “alpha” he is correct: Obama is the president and other men follow him because he is the president. When others say he is not they are also correct: he has the “beta” trait of reflexively deferring to women. “Alpha” is like “feminism,” in that one must know which definition the speaker is using.

I tend to agree with Charles Martel: the man who other men follow is the alpha male, because men confer that status – not women. Only the most deluded PUA would actually believe that projecting alpha traits to women is a better indication of “Alpha-ness” than possessing those traits among men. Mating success with hypergamous women is derivative of women’s perception of a man’s “alpha-ness,” not the cause of it.

Others are free to disagree, of course. No skin off my nose either way.

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Eric July 7, 2012 at 19:37

Lyn87:
The Gamecocks use these ‘alpha’ and ‘beta’ designations randomly because they don’t understand the fundamental principles of psychology.

Women are attracted to power as an abstract concept. There’s a difference between that and attraction to powerful men—a point where the Gamesters always trip up.

Gender differences operate on a polarity, like the two poles of a magnet. The feminine pole is attracted to the ‘power’ of positive energy (the male pole). In women who are comfortable with their gender identies, this not a huge problem, it acts like simple physics. Strong men attract them and ‘connect’ to use the common term. But with women who are educated to gender supremacy, they retain the same attraction: but to power exclusive of the male principle. Michelle Obama is attracted by Barack’s ‘power’ only in the sense that his power is social and political (i.e., of benefit to her). Other women are attracted to dysfunctional thugs and retards because they can have power over such men easily.

This is why men who attempt to cultivate so-called ‘alpha’ tendencies are doomed to failure employing them on feminised women. These women seek domination and not completion.

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Lyn87 July 7, 2012 at 19:55

Back to the original question: someone using the Apex Fallacy would say, men are in charge because the “apex positions” are disproportionately held by men. The counter-argument is that the vast majority of men do not hold “apex positions” and are not in charge.

What is probably true is this: men are not in charge, but most of the people who are in charge are men. As a side note: I do not think Obama is one of them. He’s strikes me as a puppet, although I don’t know who holds the strings. It’s not Michelle: she may rule the Obama household, but in the big scheme of things she’s just along for the ride.

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evilwhitemalempire July 7, 2012 at 20:02

You’ll spend an inordinate amount of energy to prove SoCon/TradCons are just as bad because they see men as “expendable utilities” or a whole other “victim class”- – which is a Liberal tenet.
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they see leftist misandry with the naked eye

but look for conservative misandry with a magnifying glass

and because they want men to be viewed as another victim class they (essentially) fight for the ‘right’ of men to squat to pee

which is exactly what the fems want to begin with

and with the crosshairs so subtly moved from fem supremacy over to [generalized] misandry the flood gates are opened for the mrm to be co opted by every leftist ‘human rights’ outfit under the sun

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evilwhitemalempire July 7, 2012 at 20:11

It’s not like there aren’t any SoCons/TradCons who fit the bill perfectly with their pedestalization and “man up” language. A lot of them still think in terms and mentally live in times that don’t exist (and for some like Santorum never existed in their lifetime).
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no, they mentally live in times that never actually existed

socon women are who they are because they quietly believe that life for women prior to feminism was peaches

this is mostly because they take for granted modern household gadgetry and the enormous leisure time it affords the ‘traditionalist’ housewife

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evilwhitemalempire July 7, 2012 at 20:35

Mens Rights issues are meaningless to both except as way to, maybe, curry favor for votes.
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well that’s kinda the whole point

they do what we want we vote for them

they don’t do what we want we don’t vote for them

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Eric July 7, 2012 at 20:39

EvilWhiteMaleEmpire:

As Keyster wrote: ‘It’s a very flawed and messy system.’

To my mind, the problem with the system is because government and politics are sciences; and they are, unfortunately, dependent on the will of a populace who doesn’t understand even the basic principles of that science. A good government is one that doesn’t require continual public input to make it work. When the citizenry is compelled to get involved with actual governance, the result is something like a legalised civil war.

If the government was doing its job, Obamacare would have been laughed out of the Senate and never even brought to public notice. Instead, it effects everybody now and the fanatics in the ‘progressive’ aren’t finished yet—they want all sorts of extensions to it. This is what I mean: healthcare shouldn’t be a political issue to begin with. The government should concern itself with inspecting hospitals, certifying doctors, and approving medicines—not social engineering.

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Masculist Man July 7, 2012 at 20:47

Where are the Republicans who want to hold women responsible?

Right here: http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2012/07/dan-matthews-sticks-up-for-men.html

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evilwhitemalempire July 7, 2012 at 21:06

Left/Right- casting left/right as manly/feminine is just a way for elites to keep men divided
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no, believing that it’s not a left/right issue is how the communists (and their elite backers) keep men divided

do you know what the feminists biggest nightmare is?

it ain’t mgtow

it’s a politicized mrm

that is why they’ve coopted the mrm

that is why avfm radio say’s ‘no means n0′ (80′s era feminist sexual grievance slogan) at the opening of each episode

that is why avfm radio plays ‘nobody’s fault but mine’ by led zeppelin at the end of each program (subliminal ‘it’s all your fault men’)

that is why avfm radio uses words like ‘deconstruction’ in sentences like ‘we must deconstruct masculinity’

that is why avfm radio is co hosted by a divorced single mom who was once on welfare but who everyone adores because she repeats stuff she’s heard mras say

that is why avfm radio once turned off a caller who was telling a story of a DV incident he was in where a sympathetic cop responding to the scene advised him that he should just get out of dodge because he was in a blue state

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evilwhitemalempire July 7, 2012 at 21:23

A good government is one that doesn’t require continual public input to make it work. When the citizenry is compelled to get involved with actual governance, the result is something like a legalised civil war.
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omfg!

i can’t believe you just said that

better read it again

yep, you said it!

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Eric July 7, 2012 at 21:41

EvilWhiteMaleEmpire:

To give an example: Suppose the street outside is full of potholes. The government should fix it. It’s not doing it’s job if a citizens’ committee has to be formed and petitions gathered to get it done—the people might as well just fix the street themselves. And then some environmental group surely gets up and says it doesn’t want the street fixed. Legalised civil war over a problem that men who knew what they were doing and were on the job could have solved without any public interference.

My point is that if our government wasn’t filled with weaklings and crowd-pleasers, IOW real men instead, people wouldn’t need to be involved because government would actually function like an efficient machine.

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Charles Martel July 7, 2012 at 22:27

Eric
The Gamecocks use these ‘alpha’ and ‘beta’ designations randomly because they don’t understand the fundamental principles of psychology.

So you keep saying. I’m not sure how you, a self-confessed INCEL – involuntarily celibate – qualify as any kind of authority on what game is or isn’t. But your mind’s made up, clearly, and so you continue to stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to acknowledge any other point of view. It’s clear to me that your disparaging of game is a way to protect your own ego. That’s OK, we all do it, but your “nyaa, nyaa, I’m not listening” routine is tiresome.

The “game” definition of alpha, beta, omega is super straightforward and encompasses only sexual access. Roissy nailed this down and it’s purely self-defining. Alpha – chick magnet, easy access to sex. Beta – the ordinary guy, works at it and often fails. Omega – involuntarily celibate.

Then there’s the masculine world, where alpha is defined differently. Alphas are leaders of men, attracting the loyalty of other men with their ability and charisma. The bottom line is there just aren’t too many of these guys around. So instead of natural authority, authority derived from competence, we default to positional authority. Which is why we generally shut the fuck up when the CEO is talking or the General is talking. And why there’s no-one reading this who wouldn’t put their tail between their legs if in the same room with Barack Obama, whatever they may privately think of the man.

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"The One" July 7, 2012 at 22:37

Those who say Barack Obama is the top “alpha” are more right than wrong, as he is the man to whom most other men must defer as a leader. In spite of his allegedly wearing “mom jeans” and a bicycle helmet, his power is established and he is not a paper tiger.

This real power is what the PUAs like to ignore at their own peril. You cannot merely pretend to have it, and nobody who really matters is fooled when you do pretend to have it.

I’ve pointed out that a man with real power can sweep all of the alpha poseurs away, regardless of any or all women’s opinions. And thus, men should seek to establish real objective status, rather than seek approval from women only.

Nevertheless, the President of the United States is an office holder subject to checks and balances, there are some geographical borders he must respect, and he is also subject to term limits.

Among those who are not subject to any of those constraints, who has the highest status? Few men would be ambitious enough to chafe under such constraints, considering the power afforded to him by the highest office of the most powerful nation.

Nevertheless, such men do exist. And who among them possesses this unrivaled status? There is only one Alpha and all others are contesting each other over varying degrees of beta-tude. If you have any question as to who he may be, you’re not that man.

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evilwhitemalempire July 7, 2012 at 23:03

haven’t commented much about game

probably just placebo effect

it’s easy to see how thinking you have jedi mind powers would boost a man’s confidence

repetition takes over from there until he scores

IF game actually does work then you probably already have to half way look the alpha part

like lingerie for men

after all, it doesn’t take an einstein to see that no victoria secret wardrobe is going to enhance a walking manitee

either way it’s easy to see how the omega crowd would find the stuff utter rubbish while the better looking fellas might be inclined to differ

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Eric July 7, 2012 at 23:18

Martel:
Well, I did offer an alternative explanation.

The reason why men would stand and listen to a president, general, or CEO isn’t because of they have some sexual ‘alpha’ qualities; it’s because those guys are part of a recognized power chain and there are serious consequences for not doing so. I would consider listening to a general like Eisenhower though with considerable respect; while Wesley Clark, not so much. But I would keep quiet and listen just the same.

That’s part of the problem with Game: it teaches men that sexual validation comes from the numbers of ‘scores’ a man gets: which theoretically makes Charles Manson and Justin Bieber into uber-Alphas.

The theory I offered instead is that men’s strength (genuine strength) appeals to normal women because women’s natural instinct is to gravitate towards and find completion in masculine power. Feminism has negated the man in this equation: thus feminised women are drawn to power in its abstract sense. Women’s normal power-drives find completion in mating with a powerful male: feminism teaches them to seek power for its own sake.

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"The One" July 8, 2012 at 10:24

Charles Martel and Lyn87 are correct: “The man who other men follow is the alpha male, because men confer that status – not women.”

Anyone who disputes this is wrong. He whom other men follow holds the monopoly on force. Women’s approval or lack thereof is irrelevant.

Lyn87 writes “Only the most deluded PUA would actually believe that projecting alpha traits to women is a better indication of “Alpha-ness” than possessing those traits among men.”

PUAs are validating themselves based on the approval of women, which places them squarely within the definition of Feminist.

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Gamerp4 July 9, 2012 at 06:42

Ya next time Michelle Obama Says something you better do it Obama or your balls are hers now, Opps sorry every married Men must hand over his balls to the womyn because after all thats what obama preaches “Just Hand over your Balls to her and your marriage is safe” :D

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Charles Martel July 9, 2012 at 18:10

“The One”
Nevertheless, such men do exist. And who among them possesses this unrivaled status? There is only one Alpha and all others are contesting each other over varying degrees of beta-tude. If you have any question as to who he may be, you’re not that man.

Bollocks. Every tribe has its Alpha. Beyond that, just what are you driving at? You’re either, (a) Larry Ellison, (b) the ghost of Steve Jobs, (c) just another delusional narcissist. I vote (c).

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