Health Care Bill Closer to Reality, Child Support to be Extended to 26

by W.F. Price on June 28, 2012

The Supremes have set the stage for the full implementation of Obamacare, and yet people are not fully aware of the consequences of this enormous, bloated bill.

A provision of Obamacare that divorced fathers ought to pay close attention to is the extension of “dependent children” to age 26 (from Cornell’s law blog):

Grandfathered Health Plans

Under the Affordable Care Act, current health plans that existed at the time the Act was signed were “grandfathered” into the Act. This was meant to allow people to maintain the insurance coverage they already possessed. Under the Act, grandfathered health plans are exempted from certain requirements that the Act imposed. For example, grandfathered health plans are not required to impose limits on out-of-pocket costs for their users. New plans are required to provide their participants with “essential health benefits,” as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services; grandfathered health plans are not subject to these requirements. However, certain requirements do apply alike to the new plans and the grandfathered health plans. These include extending the age of dependent children to age 26. Also, both types of plan are prohibited from placing a monetary limit on lifetime coverage.

Although there’s nothing wrong with fathers helping out adult children, the problem here is that the if the custodial parent (overwhelmingly the mother) continues to claim the child as a dependent, guess who gets the checks?

This will simply incentivize mothers to keep children “dependent” as long as possible, possibly through having them go to school beyond what’s necessary, take superfluous classes, etc.

The days when child support ended at 18 are long over. Now, women are entitled to payments from babydaddy for a full third (or more) of his natural life, and more than half of his working life.

Obamacare is indeed a tax, and guess who’s going to be footing most of the bill?

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Darryl X June 28, 2012 at 12:23

I’ve been writing about this and other problems with the new bill for a long time. What all our legislators and executives and judges and mothers do not understand is that fathers can’t pay with money they don’t have. A law like this is only as good as the money there is to realize it. And the country and particularly fathers are broke.

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Sam June 28, 2012 at 12:25

At 26 I would have been ashamed to still be dependant upon anyone.

Hell, I would have been ashamed at 21.

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Calloway June 28, 2012 at 12:32

I hope this administration will think twice about sending 18-year-old “children” out to fight and die in foreign wars, then.

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HeligKo June 28, 2012 at 12:32

It doesn’t matter what the kid wants, if the parent claims them as a dependent, it is on them to prove that they aren’t to the IRS. This will certainly increase the number of audits as kids take care of themselves at 18 or 19, and parents of any sort try to claim them as dependents legitimately or not.

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Geography Bee Finalist himself June 28, 2012 at 12:38

“This will simply incentivize mothers to keep children ‘dependent’ as long as possible, possibly through having them go to school beyond what’s necessary, take superfluous classes, etc. ”

This federal government has some severely fucked-up priorities. I do not wish on other ethnicities a dependency on related individuals.

I also do not wish upon other ethnicities a stereotype of extended families that are unable/unwilling to be geographically separated from each other.

I’m part guido (father’s side), and my mother (basically a guidette with mick skin) is already “incentivized” to keep her kids as dependent as possible by making a bullshit argument of “parents help their adult kids,” using my 63-year-old father as an example, friends of immigrant parents notwithstanding.

The last thing I want is for other ethnicities to get the negative ethnic stereotype of being incapable of being separated from their families unless someone uses a chainsaw.

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Darryl X June 28, 2012 at 12:47

@ Firepower -

The MRM doesn’t have to win. Feminists just have to lose.

And they will. This system is unsustainable. It’s going to collapse. And sooner than later. Legislation like that referenced in this article is evidence of the desperate measures to which our feminist governments are resorting for satisfying their addiction to power and control.

The next steps are martial law and then the feminists will be pursuing a civil war amongst themselves because real men will have nothing left to steal so they will have to steal it from themselves.

Ever try and take something back from a feminist which belongs to you?Remember the response. Well, imagine a feminist trying to take back something from another feminist which belongs to neither of them. That’s going to be one hell of a fight. And we have front row seats.

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Gilgamesh June 28, 2012 at 12:53

@Firepower
How is this a sign of the MRM winning? Is it because we predicted this before, or because this ruling is going to piss off a lot of people and make us more popular?

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Turbo the Drycleaner June 28, 2012 at 12:58

children used to be a blessing.

but they are just used as punishment for men now.

But dont worry, im sure firepower will unveil his master plan soon. He has been complaining for years, so im sure he has thought of something by now.

while I wait with bated breath for the MRMs messiah, firepower, to come save us, my plan is to do nothing. Countries have been falling since time began because people grew soft, let the women run roughshod over the men, and accepted general dysfunction as normal. As I see it, you cannot stop the inevitable race to the bottom.

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Donkey June 28, 2012 at 13:06

Gilgamesh, Firepow’r
Is speaking sarcastically
But not in haiku.

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Beltain June 28, 2012 at 13:06

Watch? Sure it will be damned fun to watch until they weaken us men as a whole to a point we cannot defend ourselves and then who is going to step in?

Feminism needs to die and quickly too but it needs to take the less-feminized world players with it or guess who will show up to take over? The Muslim men, Africans and Asians already think we are a joke to allow our women such control over us. They would be happy to exterminate the males and take the females as concubines or wives for the millions of extra Chinese bachelors.

Feminism is dying, killing itself by overeaching greed but do not forget it has allied itself with every White male hating group on earth and those groups are just waiting for a shot at their real goal.

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Rebel June 28, 2012 at 13:08

Just one question: why 26?
Thirty six or even 66 would have been better. At least that would have ensured that no man in the future would want to reproduce.

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Matt June 28, 2012 at 13:26

The twenties are nothing but an extended adolescence now. I was out of the Military, married and divorced, by age 25. Just another pussyfication of American values.

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keyster June 28, 2012 at 13:35

Because health insurance for me would be about $1200 a month (up from $800 since 2010), I have no choice but to pay the new tax for NOT having health insurance, ostensibly meant to subsidize those that do; for FREE mamograms, pap smears, contraception, untold “wellness checks” and 26 year old “children”. Ironically I’d like to put that Tax towards paying for my own health care each year, but now I won’t have it.

Insurance companies convinced the HHS and Obama that it will end up being cheaper for all, if everyone is coerced into buying healthcare (or paying the tax). Clever Insurance companies!

What’s astounding is that for the first time in our history our government is FORCING us to pay a Tax for NOT doing something. It was marketed by Democrats as NOT being a Tax and in a bizarre slight of hand, Chief Justice Roberts decreed that it was. A Tax on the individual that has decided not to buy something from a private entity. It’s just amazing how stupid he turned out to be! Meanwhile the dissent was spot on.

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Anonymous Reader June 28, 2012 at 13:50

This makes perfect sense, viewed through the lens of electoral politics.
Married women tend to vote for party R, single women – especially the divorced, and the babymomma – tend to vote for party D. Therefore, anything that reduces the number of married women and increases the number of single women – divorced, babymomma, etc. – is good for party D. Therefore, expect more of the same, from the party of Nancy Pelosi.

Much of this will become moot in the next few years, as the economy continues to deteriorate. There simply won’t be enough money to pay for all the cars on the feminist gravy train.

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JoeS June 28, 2012 at 13:51

“It’s just amazing how stupid he turned out to be!”

You shouldn’t be surprised: the fix is in. The two party system is not legit, and the critical decisions will pass when those in power want them to pass.

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keyster June 28, 2012 at 13:51

Just one question: why 26?
Thirty six or even 66 would have been better. At least that would have ensured that no man in the future would want to reproduce.

Insurance companies base what they decide largely from statistics. Most of this bill is what the health insurance companies would agree to. They (their lobbyists) were working hand-in-glove with Obama’s HHS to construct the bill, in their favor of course. This would have never happened without the big health insurance company’s cooperation.

Probably 80% of Americans either don’t fully understand what’s happening and/or they don’t care. That’s what’s really sad. They took over our Universities in the 60′s, infiltrated our K-12 in the 70′s, unionized in the 80′s…and have slowly been dumbing us down ever since, to the point they just about have us where they want us; entitled, distracted and confused.

Hope and Change Forward — now pass the Adderall!

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Doug1111 June 28, 2012 at 13:54

Bill–

Where do you get that this extends child support to 26? Just because it uses the word dependent in the context of health insurance in a bill that’s all about health care does make that so.

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Darryl X June 28, 2012 at 13:54

@ Beltain -

“They would be happy to exterminate the males and take the females as concubines or wives for the millions of extra Chinese bachelors.”

They don’t have to exterminate me to take the females as concubines or wives. They can have them without exterminating me. Take my (ex)wife. Please.

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HeligKo June 28, 2012 at 13:55

As the price of insurance goes up, the tax for not buying insurance will be cheaper, and most people will opt to pay the tax. It will be a completely federal system in no time at all. This system is designed to give the insurance companies a quick payout for not fighting it, while reaching the ultimate goal of a government or single payer system.

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Darryl X June 28, 2012 at 13:57

@ Ananymous Reader -

“There simply won’t be enough money to pay for all the cars on the feminist gravy train.”

I’d say that ship already sailed.

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Beltain June 28, 2012 at 14:01

Darrel X – I hear ya but I doubt they will be satisfied with just taking the women.

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HeligKo June 28, 2012 at 14:05

As for those that question why this will extend child support or the age of dependency, understand that once one law establishes a new baseline, then the others will follow. The family court system apparently can do as it pleases, which is seen by courts demanding that fathers pay for college and continue to pay child support during the college years. Clearly under the law, these are adult children at this point, and can do as they please. They have not only reached the age of majority in all states, but have reached the legal age of adulthood. The family courts will determine that if a parent can be demanded by law to cover an adult child’s healthcare costs (and if you are responsible for the insurance, you get the rest of the bill to), then you can also be forced to continue child support as well even if the child is independent in every way an adult should be. This may not be intended as a way to increase the years where support is demanded, but it will be used as a means to do so.

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greyghost June 28, 2012 at 14:17

The end days are near. Any body have any literature on how poelple lived and survived in eastern europe after the failed uprisings?Czeckaslovakia and Hungary

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greyghost June 28, 2012 at 14:23

HeligKo
This may be the end of the gig. The tipping point so to speak. as in nothing left to use. There is no reason for a man to give a damn about a country that sees him that way. I suggest we troll the military blogs and plant a seed of red pill.

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Darryl X June 28, 2012 at 14:27

@ Beltain -

“Darrel X – I hear ya but I doubt they will be satisfied with just taking the women.”

Yeah. If they have to put up with what I had to, they’ll probably come back and kill us out of revenge. Or worse. They’ll just give the whores back. Women are the biggest weapon ever invented.

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HeligKo June 28, 2012 at 14:28

@greyghost,

I wish it were, but eastern Europe shows us that the tipping point for people is way farther down the road, and then it never really gets good again. I am afraid that the American dream is so far gone that it will never come back. We are heading towards global rule where only the select will thrive, unless the spirit that was in our grandfathers or great-grandfathers who fought in world war II had when they went off to war, not what they had when they came back and chose security over freedom and started this downhill slide that we are on.

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Darryl X June 28, 2012 at 14:29

@ greyghost -

“Any body have any literature on how poelple lived and survived in eastern europe after the failed uprisings?”

I’m afraid a lot of them didn’t live or survive.

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TFH June 28, 2012 at 14:39

Firepower,

GOOD to see mrm is Winning!

Note that Rob Fedders insists that every possible avenue of activism that can be done, has already been done…

While also saying no activism should be done….

Of course, you might be asking yourself “Who the fuck is Rob Fedders?”…… a question Rob Fedders himself cannot answer.

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Georice81 June 28, 2012 at 14:39

As a country we are now so screwed. I feel like we are collectively plunging down Niagara Falls and there is nothing we can do. Yes some can jump to the shore (other countries) and escape for a while.

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W.F. Price June 28, 2012 at 14:44

The end days are near. Any body have any literature on how poelple lived and survived in eastern europe after the failed uprisings?Czeckaslovakia and Hungary

-greyghost

I knew a guy who escaped Hungary, so some got out. But I think mainly what they did was just hunker down and keep their heads down. The worst part of it was the deliberate suppression of the people’s will, but those who lived humble lives under the radar were mainly left alone.

The Soviet occupation of EE was never popular, so when oppression was lifted the people naturally threw it off.

Mr. J June 28, 2012 at 14:51

50 years of men having their head up their @SS.
Now our freedom is about completely gone.
Congratulations.

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greyghost June 28, 2012 at 15:10
dg54321 June 28, 2012 at 16:07

So let me ask a question; is there anything directly stating that the age for child support is extended to 26 or is this something simply inferred by the context of the law? Is child support ordered until the child is no longer considered “dependent” or is it until they turn 18, and this is just a catalyst for those laws to change as well?

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Ted June 28, 2012 at 16:14

“Any body have any literature on how poelple lived and survived in eastern europe after the failed uprisings?”

That’s a different thing. The system in those countries was imposed from outside. A better parallel is the collapse of the Soviet Union. It folded all by itself, crushed under the weight of its own internal contradictions.

Thing were very bad for a while. But the people are still there; and they are recovering. For some visuals, try the Russian version of Street View (maps.yandex.ru and turn on the Panoramy).

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W.F. Price June 28, 2012 at 16:17

So let me ask a question; is there anything directly stating that the age for child support is extended to 26 or is this something simply inferred by the context of the law? Is child support ordered until the child is no longer considered “dependent” or is it until they turn 18, and this is just a catalyst for those laws to change as well?

-dg54321

Currently it varies by state, but because this is a federal mandate I suspect it will push toward a broad consensus that the father pays until the child is 26 as long as he/she is claimed by the mother as a “dependent.” Currently, mothers in many (most?) states can have fathers ordered to send money while the kids are past 18 and in college, but I don’t think they can demand health insurance coverage without some special circumstances. This law will simply make it standard for parents to claim kids as dependents and pay their premiums until they are 26, and therefore it follows that fathers will be ordered to pay the premiums while mothers still claim the child as a dependent. It’s how the logic of child support works.

Ted June 28, 2012 at 16:18

“why 26?”

They’re going boldly where no man has gone before.

“Thirty six or even 66 would have been better. ”

Just wait and see.

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dg54321 June 28, 2012 at 16:24

Price, thanks for that. I posted the link provided on my FB page and am arguing with friends about what this means for child support. I looked up RCWs pertaining to child support in this state (WA) and found that WA state specificaly states “dependent children” instead of age 18 in its laws. So if you are a father of a “child” under 26…..I would expect to either keep paying well past 18 or maybe even start paying again when the mother gets wind of this nice little windfall and petitions the court to ensure payments are restarted until age 26. And the courts will be all too happy to grant said petition, as we all know the state has the most to gain from child support payments.

RCW is anybody is interested: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=74.20.010

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greyghost June 28, 2012 at 16:30

Knowing how things are a woman will claim the kids as dependant as long as possible. 26 will be the cut off age. With that we will see 65 to 70 year old men as deadbeats. Nothing to lose fellas. Welmer has got that nailed. Family law is bullshit law, so even if the “child is on active duty military or what ever and married with kids and 24 years old gone from the house since 17 she will still collect child support tell 26. Because each state government will collect federal cs until every child turns 26. I bet a woman can divorce a man with a 23 year old hostage and get 3 years worth.

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dg54321 June 28, 2012 at 16:31

@Ted

Why don’t they get it out of the way and just say “Men are forced to work as slaves and we will take what they would get paid except what will barely feed and clothe them, then give the rest to the government so we can distribute it to all the women to take care of their bastard children. (ie, blow it on new jewelry, drugs, booze and a brand new Escalade)” Even then, I fear the manginas will not wake up and realize just how screwed their own efforts have made them. Tow the party line unto death seems to be their motto.

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Darryl X June 28, 2012 at 16:42

@ dg54321 -

“Why don’t they get it out of the way and just say “Men are forced to work as slaves…”

I think they just did.

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Justinian June 28, 2012 at 16:49

Another implication of this ruling:

The congress has unlimited power to tax. If they can tax you for failing to buy insurance, they can tax you for refusing to get married.

This is legal precedant for the bachelor tax.

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Darryl X June 28, 2012 at 16:57

@ everyone -

The simple solution is this: just take your children off your health insurance. That’s what I’m doing. Put me in jail at $30,000 a year (if they can find me) and see how much child support they collect then. And see how much slave labor they can extract from me. And see if the mothers can actually work and save enough to support their excessive life styles AND pay for their children including health insurance and care.

Laws like this are only as good as anyone is willing to or can comply with them or as well as they can be enforced. They can garnish your wages up to 65% of take-home pay (in the US) for child support and arrears. They can’t garnish anything for health insurance and they can’t make you pay if you have nothing to pay with because you don’t have an income to support it. Don’t p

Child support is an enforcible law. This isn’t as enforcible. You can’t get blood from a turnip. It’s gotten to the point where middle- and lower-class men are simply better off walking away from their jobs and society and this country. Ralph Catalano is a Professor of Public Health at UC Berkeley wrote in an article for the Wall Street Journal recently, “We’re at risk of having a generation of young males who aren’t well-connected to the labor market and who don’t feel strong ownership of community or society because they haven’t benefited from it.”

It’s not just “young males” but middle class ones too. And educated ones.

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Darryl X June 28, 2012 at 17:02

@ everyone cont…

Don’t pay your taxes. The IRS can garnish your wages as a first step. But that’s years after you stop paying. It would be even more years before they did anything more serious than that. And before they can garnish your wages, they have to wait in line behind child support enforcement who is already garnishing them at 65% of take-home pay. If they can garnish your wages for the health insurance and health care stuff and other nonsense like attorney fees and court ordered health care costs and college tuition, they have to wait in line behind child support enforcement and the IRS. You’ll be long dead before they get anything.

And all this is avoidable if the government just ordered shared parenting or a reasonable level for child support in the first place. What a bunch of fucking idiots. This whole debacle is completely unsustainable, enforcible and manageable. They can’t even balance a budget. How do you think these idiots are going to figure out what to do with this mess. LOL

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Attila June 28, 2012 at 17:28

Next thing on the legislative agenda …. forcible circumcisions so that some members of our society do not feel excluded ….bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!

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Eincrou June 28, 2012 at 19:02

“Let me ask you this, how moral is it to not purchase health insurance and actually wait until you are sick to decide to pay – when you cannot – and then expect the public to clean up your mess?”

It isn’t, and it is bad economics as well. Repeal EMTALA and eliminate the ban on drug reimportation. Those are the two primary causes of cost-shifting, and they are – as usual – the results of government interference.

This is a good law, and free men should support it.

No. Free men do not rejoice in being coerced into paying “private” companies for services they don’t want. This is the antithesis of freedom. Who do you think you’re fooling? Leftists have no respect for the rights of men.

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Ode June 28, 2012 at 19:14

HeligKo

I am afraid that the American dream is so far gone that it will never come back.

The American Dream, the belief that if you work hard and save your money you can climb up one step higher than the position you were born into, is alive and well……………….in China, India, Brazil, and Russia.

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Rob June 28, 2012 at 19:32

Firepower,

GOOD to see mrm is Winning!

Note that Rob Fedders insists that every possible avenue of activism that can be done, has already been done…

While also saying no activism should be done….

Of course, you might be asking yourself “Who the fuck is Rob Fedders?”…… a question Rob Fedders himself cannot answer. — TFH

What the fuck is the point of you, you whining little dipshit? I thought you mostly just ignored my rantings?

Panties in a bunch much?

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Ode June 28, 2012 at 19:34

“Let me ask you this, how moral is it to not purchase health insurance and actually wait until you are sick to decide to pay – when you cannot – and then expect the public to clean up your mess?”

Let me ask you this, how moral is it for a woman to bring a child into this world knowing full well she cannot afford and then expecting the public to clean up after her financial mess with a sob story about what a heroic sacrifice she is making being a single mother?

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Rob June 28, 2012 at 19:52

You know, TFH, it is pretty simple.

Marxism, of which Feminism is a form of, has NEVER been won by running to the government begging for scraps from the table of equality.

Women are self-centered, and they don’t give a fuck about men. The only time women care about men is when it affects them DIRECTLY. And, since women ARE society (and make up our social mores), what women want, society wants. The only way to make women want men to be empowered is when not having men empowered harms them DIRECTLY.

You can yip and yap about your stinky notes all day long, but the MRM has been doing this for decades already. (Good to see you’ve learned from history).

If women and government want to continue to punish men for loving women… then STOP LOVING WOMEN and let them to their own destruction.

DON’T run to the government (our biggest enemy) to “fix” things for us.

Stand back from the game, and say “tough!”

You women and you government bureaucrats need men much more than men need YOU!. Men can survive with a pocket-knife and a garbage bag. And we will. And we will make you suffer by doing so – moreso than we will.

You assholes who depend on US for food on your table, YOU come to us with a plan to entice us back.

I’m not some field slave begging the massah for a few extra scraps of meat. If I leave the plantation, you are fucked! So what you and the missus gonna do?

MGTOW. It is the answer to Marxism, and the answer to our cultural malaise.

I’m tired of fuckwits like you who think we will not be “real” until we emulate feminists. We are men, not women, you fucking dope. We operate under different principles. A “game smart” guy like you should understand that by now.

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Eric June 28, 2012 at 20:21

Rob;
The Great Prophet is sounding more and more like a Pedestal Princess all the time. LOL

‘A Game Smart guy like you should understand that by now.’

Well, he’s unfortunately been hit with the reality that dysfunctional losers and street thugs understand Game better than he does. Now, him and everybody else are going to be paying through the nose to support all those thugs’ offspring until they’re 26. Somehow, I don’t think ‘a couple dozen lays’ is much of a fair trade-off.

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Justinian June 28, 2012 at 20:21

Exactly. The individual mandate forces her and not anybody else to carry health insurance. Nobody pays for her mess! How hard is this to grasp?

Are you really that niave?

Single mothers with limited income are EXEMPT from the mandate, it is young health men who will primary be forced to pay.

There is a hardship exemption that applies to those with limited income:

<http://www.obamacarewatch.org/primer/individual-mandate >

Limited “Hardship” Exemption

The hardship exemption to the mandate is extremely limited. To be exempt from the insurance requirement, someone would have to be facing insurance premiums at least equal to 8 percent of his or her income.

Nearly all single mother welfare queens will qualify for that.

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Eric June 28, 2012 at 20:28

Greyghost:
The age of 26 wasn’t an arbitrary choice. One tactic the feminists have been encouraging for decades (with ample Socon support) is extending the definition of ‘childhood’ to these ridiculously high age-brackets. First, they don’t want competition from younger women; secondly, they want a state of extended childhood dependence which allows them greater control over the individual (the State becoming a substitute parent).

Even worse, the period of ‘adolescence’ which is normally only 2-3 years is extended to nearly 12-13 years. That retards the emotional development in a human being, and makes them easier to control. People well into their 20s and 30s today are at the same emotional maturity level of a 12-14 year old in the past. That makes them easier prey for simplistic solutions that offer instant gratification.

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DirkJohanson June 28, 2012 at 20:40

Greyghost wrote

“The end days are near. Any body have any literature on how poelple lived and survived in eastern europe after the failed uprisings?Czeckaslovakia and Hungary”

My uncle left Hungary after the uprising. His mother stayed and lived pretty much like a pauper. His brother worked for the state airline and lived well by the standards of the time – I think he even had a lake house. At least until Lech Walesa started stirring things up in Poland, Hungary was the most free market of the east bloc countries until the Soviet Union fell, but it also had a short life-expectancy and very high rate of heart disease.

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Ode June 28, 2012 at 21:23

Shmiggen

Exactly. The individual mandate forces her and not anybody else to…..Nobody pays for her mess! How hard is this to grasp?

Aside from being a huge drain on the rest of society, single mothers also impose a significant burden on their own family. Grandma usually gets stuck surrending whatever financial resources she may have assisting the kids guaranteeing she won’t be retiring anytime soon or any time at all. Being the self centered brat that single mothers are, it’s not like they care that they totally messed up grandma’s financial plans.
but…
Single mothers often produce girls who will grow up to follow in their footsteps. The acorn does not fall far from the tree. Their children will do to them what they did to their mothers. What goes around comes around. Hey I guess you’re actually onto something, Shmiggen, you’re smarter then what I thought single mothers eventually do have to “pay” for their deeds.

Not that I feel sorry for them. They get what they deserve. *wink*

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shmiggen June 28, 2012 at 21:45

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evilwhitemalempire June 28, 2012 at 22:07

Gilgamesh June 28, 2012 at 12:53
@Firepower
How is this a sign of the MRM winning? Is it because we predicted this before, or because this ruling is going to piss off a lot of people and make us more popular?
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occured to me today that this ruling, if properly exploited, is a rallying cry for tea partiers and rightists of all stripes

had the supreme court ruled otherwise complacency might have bred

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Bob Smith June 28, 2012 at 22:08

“Obamacare is indeed a tax, and guess who’s going to be footing most of the bill?”

Men naturally, and I’m not talking about the children. Women are so much more costly to care for than men, but under Obamacare it’s illegal to charge women more for coverage. Ergo, an implicit subsidy for women from men will exist.

“Moreover, the individual mandate forces everyone to carry insurance and thus drives those premiums down”

You’re living in lala land.

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evilwhitemalempire June 28, 2012 at 22:59

The only reason health care is so expensive right now is because too many people are riding the system for free.
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NO.

the only reason health care is so expensive is because of that big elephant in the room the baby boomers

when they finally start dropping the cost will go down because supply will then outstrip demand

and THEN, with the boomers safe in the ground, all the history books will freely admit they were the culprit all along

and as for auto insurance most folks pay more in premiums then they’ll ever spend on repairs [i know i do]

it’s just insurance companies getting in bed with government same as obama care

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walking in hell June 29, 2012 at 00:08

@greyghost
“I suggest we troll the military blogs and plant a seed of red pill.”

Any boards where police and police recruits go and military men go should be warned. Policemen and military men have a high rate of divorce, so this bill directly affects them.

Personally, if I were a policeman and I pulled over a guy who was behind on his child support, I would let him go.

Military men need to realize that they are fighting to support their own slavery.

If groups of military and police could be turned, things would begin to move in the right direction.

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migu June 29, 2012 at 00:21

I see an opportunity here.

The new divorce court. Children v mother. Maybe we can set up a lifelong abuse racket. At 19 we have mom and dad sending child support. Awesome!!!!

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migu June 29, 2012 at 00:27

Greyghost,

You asked for literature Czechoslovakia Hungary.

Here. http://chnm.gmu.edu/1989/items/show/700

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Ode June 29, 2012 at 01:33

shmiggen says

The only reason health care is so expensive right now is because too many people are riding the system for free.

Such as the irresponsible women who choose the single motherhood lifestyle feeding off the public tit.

shmiggen says again

Sure there are exemptions, such as those on welfare…

oops
It looks like you’ve just admitted to it.

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Ode June 29, 2012 at 01:58

to: shmiggen
I want to thank you for coming onto this board and sharing what you have to say, honestly. You’ve shown your True Face to us and now every man here knows what is inside a woman’s heart, a cold calculating cavern. Women see men as some type of utility object like a draft horse. Something to be used, to be worked, until it is spent.

your own words shmiggen

It is true that young and healthy men will have to pay…….Yet somehow this doesn’t cause my eyes to water.

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greyghost June 29, 2012 at 02:32

Thanks for the info fellas. This everybody pay the insurance company is just a first step. The same people that are uninsured today will exempt from paying into it anyway. That bunch will be in every emergancy room in the country while the rest of us pay out 800 to 1500 a month at goverment gun point. A young man just starting out will not be able to pay something like that on the pay an 18 to 19 year old will make at that experience level and then we have the colledge students (60% plus women) I guess the way around it is to say they are children to 26. A side effect of that would be as Welmer has made clear with the CS thing and what will happen culturally as Eric mentioned in his post to me. I think the most likely reason for the 26 year old child thing is to insulate the cost of this from college students ( women and a huge liberal demographic). The unproductive voting block will remain so at the expense of the productive. We will have a sitution like in Communist Russia where doctors and engineers are working poor in reality but have slightly better relative lifestyle in relationship to others. The best standard of living will belong to party members in positions of government.
I remember the stress and the pressure to make ends meet when a young twenty something in first apartment,first car you bought without co- signer etc. Well it looks like it will be like that for your entire life with the motivation not to “have my own shit” but a true totalitarian motivation to keep the government from coming after you. The psychological misery and despair is where the alcohalism of the communist block comes from. Suicide and terrorism lives there. That kind of stress will cause a race to exemption,disability, knocked up baby momma, ranking member of the party.
There is no fucking way I would as a man have a kid after today. looks like there is going to be a few people leaving in a few years. A legeal berlin wall will be built and when poverty gets high enough a real fence to keep you in. Or most likely a world government set up to make it so that there is no place to go.

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Ron June 29, 2012 at 02:50

This isnt about feminism, this is about dividing men and women so a third party can rule both.

Look at armenia, it is a complete shithole with a few people on top having money and he rest scrabbling in the dirt. The super-rich back this crap because its more profitable for them to keep you on the bottom. Feminism is just another manifisted ploy of theirs. My point is, there are those of you saying it is “unsustainable”. Really? Who regards it as unsustainable and why? You think these bastards give a damn if the entire country ends up looking like detroit? Thats EXACTLY what those motherfuckers want.

We have some strength left, USE IT. Stop this goddamn bill NOW before you end up looking at your son 40 years from now and sadly noting that he has no kids, no wife (because only a fool would get married in this environment), no real job, and no future.

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andybob June 29, 2012 at 03:28

When I first heard of the plan to extend child support payments until the age of 26, my first thought was how pissed off the mothers were going to be when their adult offspring sued them for failing to hand over the money to its intended recipient – the ‘child’ (as opposed to mum squandering it on shoes and botox).

Once these ‘children’ reach their majority, they will expect child support payments to go directly to them – cutting out their sponging mothers from the process altogether. Neither mothers, nor the courts could possibly object as it’s child support, not alimony, right? Right? Would they dare treat ‘children’ with the same as contempt they treat their fathers? There are going to be a lot of them – and some will be belligerent feminists with entitlement issues. Mothersponges won’t like that.

With the mothersponge removed from the equation, dads would have an opportunity to request that their adult ‘children’ return the monthly payments to him – you know, like a grown-up person should. A father would know in one fell swoop if their offspring is a self-respecting individual, or a worthless parasite like their mother. Dads might not like the answer, but at least they’d always know their child’s true character.

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Entropy is My God June 29, 2012 at 04:03

@ Ron

I am not sure what you back ground is, but perhaps you could visit sites such as “Financialsense . Com” and read over some the technical articles there. Collapse (in this case of the fiat dollar, the US treasury, etc.) What this will bring about is uncertain, though many have ventured forth with their own guesses. It doesn’t matter either way. Our course as a country is plotted and stopping this bill or something else similar will in no way save it. My only hope now is for the collapse, not to be a phoenix rising from it but to repent in sackcloth and ashes.

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Brigadon June 29, 2012 at 04:29

Step by step, they are making violence more and more attractive.

Well, we know what Romney’s going to run on. repeal Obamacare. and we also know that when he gets into office he’s not going to actually do it.

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Darryl X June 29, 2012 at 05:01

@ Ron -

“Look at armenia, it is a complete shithole with a few people on top having money and he rest scrabbling in the dirt. The super-rich back this crap because its more profitable for them to keep you on the bottom. Feminism is just another manifisted ploy of theirs. My point is, there are those of you saying it is “unsustainable”. Really?”

I’m sympathetic to this perspective. Can’s say I don’t drift this way sometimes myself. Armenia has a population of 3.5-million with virtually no ethnic or religious diversity. The US has a population of 350-million. Our government is purely evil. But its evilness is mitigated by the most important quality of our government and most Americans – complete utter incompetence, stupidity and dysfunctionality. Nothing checks evil like dysfunction. And no other country in the world is more dysfunctional than the US. So grab a lawn chair, steal a six-pack of Bud from your local convenience store and sit down and watch the train wreck. Never miss an opportunity to see the entertainment value in all this. With a government like ours, who needs sitcoms.

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Darryl X June 29, 2012 at 05:32

@ Brigadon -

“Step by step, they are making violence more and more attractive.”

Not more attractive. Just the only alternative. Still, I prefer to sit back and watch the train wreck. When they run out of fathers on which to visit their violence, they will visit it upon themselves. They already are.

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Kyo June 29, 2012 at 06:06

I wonder, of you’re among the younger-than-the-baby-boomers cohort for whom insurance is a massive net loss, if you could turn the tables on this new tax: set up a residence in another country that has mandatory health insurance, get into that system, then go back to the US and write in your foreign insurance number on your tax form. Declare your foreign income so that the government knows you actually live there part-time. Make sure to go back there for a month or so every year so that you can stay active and put in that month’s premium there.

The other country won’t mind having you in their system since you won’t be making any claims there. Obamacare won’t come after you because you do have insurance.

Of course, this only works if you know you’re not going to need any expensive health care and that paying for insurance in the US is a net loss for you. Still, if you’re under about 50 and don’t have kids, it’s probably better to skip out on the whole system and pay in as little as you can. You’ll never come out ahead anyway.

Hopefully this wont be necessary, and new low-cost insurers will spring up who charge $1 a year with a massive deductible and clauses that prevent anyone from ever making a claim. Basically selling the right to say “yes, I have insurance” to people who don’t really want insurance.

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Darryl X June 29, 2012 at 06:10

@ andybob -

Good points all.

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Firepower June 29, 2012 at 07:14

Turbo the Drycleaner

while I wait with bated breath for the MRMs messiah, firepower, to come save us,

I don’t want to be your messiah. What fool would, when you proudly declare:

my plan is to do nothing.

…Just like the occupied French and “The Noble People of Iraq.”

Just sit, and wait for capitulation. Have fun living in that kind of world when you’re 85.

With a mentality like that, America would still be a colony.
No, nobody wants to lead you.

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Kyo June 29, 2012 at 07:38

Something I’m just now noticing: Obamacare was upheld 5 to 4, and the male justices voted 4-2 against while the female justices voted 3-0 to uphold it.

Should we expect more unsustainable socialism if the number of female justices increases?

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keyster June 29, 2012 at 08:03

Should we expect more unsustainable socialism if the number of female justices increases?

Yes.
Chief Justice Roberts is the new Sandra Day O’Conner.
The problem is the vetting process.

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Josh the Aspie June 29, 2012 at 09:13

@ greyghost June 28, 2012 at 14:17
“The end days are near. Any body have any literature on how poelple lived and survived in eastern europe after the failed uprisings?Czeckaslovakia and Hungary”

Here’s a podcast on survivalism in the Balkan Wars: http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/932-selco-survival-during-the-balkan-wars

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MRA June 29, 2012 at 09:27

There are many implication here:

-Many were thinking low rate marriage mean women could not use men as tool anymore, false, they just need to REWRITE the LAW, and transfer the wealth from men to women they do not know and did not marrie.

-Due to men working 26 years for every of his children he is not even allow to see at the same time unemployed in young men rate rise, jails and cemetery will see a rise of male population, jail is already male populate, men are punished for not having a job and paying for his children he is forbid to see, at least slave could see their children in the past.

–Short minded women will believe this is empowerment and independence, she thinks she does not need men, despite having big daddy gov forcing men to pay her live style.

-Just the fact that lying about being on the pill and have sex for 1 hours can get her a monthly check for 26 years and women doing this have at least 3 children, pomping babies is the easy way to get money, adding that she has total control over reproduction.

I think a civil war will fix this BUT for a civil war men have to give a fuck and they don’t.

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Peter South June 29, 2012 at 11:55

@Firepower
*Channeling “the Bobs” from Office Space…

What would ya say….ya do here?

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Rusty Shackelford June 29, 2012 at 12:39

I’d say at this point the jig is up. This bill is nothing but a massive wealth transfer to the parasite class in our country. It does not a thing to address actual medical costs. It is one more nail in the coffin of infantilizing our young people, ensuring that they will never be able to catch up and become productive members of society. They can vote at 18 but can be somebody’s dependent until they are 26. Wonder how that will play out over time. The employer penalties generally will make it cheaper for a business to pay the fines and not provide insurance, thus paving the way for a single payer system. The exemptions and refundable tax credits baked into the bill ensure that those of us who actually pay into the system will also pay for the health insurance of those who can’t afford it or choose to wear $200 sneakers and buy Iphones instead of taking care of priorities. Not that it doesn’t already happen with all of the other government sanctioned wealth transfers, but this is simply too much. It’s funny – I’m in my early 30′s, and from the minute I finished school I started busting my ass to establish myself in my career. Long nights at the office, working a lot of weekends, while my peers were out at the bars chasing skirt on a random Tuesday night. While they were spending every nickel they made on clothes, cars, and vacations, I saved for retirement and bought property. Never took a handout from anybody other than the money my parents spent to raise and educate me. I felt bad for some of my friends, figuring that they would regret not working harder during their 20′s, because they have little to show for it now. I now realize that I’m the sucker, not them.

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Dubcik June 29, 2012 at 14:09

This has already happened in Canada. Child support often continues to the end of their first university degree. Even is said child lives on campus, if they “visit” mom and weekends or holidays, mom keeps getting “child support” because she has to “keep a home for them to visit”. Interestingly, fathers who have had their kids “visitng” every other weekend and holidays for years (maybe 20+ years) have no similar compensation, even though they too have had to keep a home appropriate for their kids to visit. Double standard with a kick in the gut. There have been a few cases (I hope this isn’t a trend) where daddy is on the hook for “child support” until the kid finishes their SECOND degree. Even if it’s in psycobabble knitting therapy. It’s just an excuse to keep moms in the cash. And then they wonder why so many pensioners are impoverished. Dads forced to fork over cash to moms who live off it (instead of getting full-time jobs). Everyone is poor in the end with a system designed like this.

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Soapwort McFuggletoes June 29, 2012 at 14:56

Fabulous. Now we’re much closer to a tax on being single or childless after turning 21.

Until yesterday, I thought the chances of that were rather remote…

It takes a long time to get this far away from the support of true liberty and it may take much longer to overturn the tyranny that has replaced it.

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greyghost June 29, 2012 at 18:11

This phase of the health care plan is the part that bankrupts the insurance companies. That way the private citizen will have to go to the government. The insurance companies will have to raise their rates to stay afloat until all businesses pay “fines’ so they can survive. If we are all paying fine nobody is payung the insurance companies and every body is sending them bills for the flood of jack offs with the sniffles and shit packing the ER’s from coast to coast. The government will come in a save the day and will be the only thing big enough to handle health care. No the government is fully in charge. Everything can now be regulated as a health risk including the right to keep and bare arms. No drinks over 16 oz. nation wide.

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MRA June 29, 2012 at 20:03

But according to Jezebel men own this to women because a woman give birth to you.
Sorry, dudes. Tough shit. I’d have some sympathy if every single man who currently exists didn’t owe his existence to a woman who grew him in her body.
http://jezebel.com/5922194/mens-rights-activists-upset-the-word-men-isnt-used-more-in-affordable-care-act

You know just the fact that a woman gave you birth is enough to make your live a slave to every female in the world.

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greyghost June 29, 2012 at 20:39

MRA
That hamster is a mutha fucka.

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Geography Bee Finalist himself June 29, 2012 at 21:03

Erin Gloria Ryan from the link in Jezebel should stop going to any male specialist if that is how she feels, but then again she’s just another leech/sponge/parasite just like every feminazi cunt. At least leeches, sponges and parasites have class.

How is Erin Gloria Ryan like a hockey player?
She changes her pads every three periods.

What should you do if Erin Gloria Ryan has a flat tire?
Flatten her other three tires and drive off. Nobody will help her out anyway, especially if the male employees at AAA find out her real feelings towards their health care problems.

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Eric June 29, 2012 at 21:09

Greyghost & MRA:
It’s even worse in the manginasphere. The jolly David Futrelle is happy with this decision and seems to be gloating over the number of men who will be harmed by it. The poor boob—if he’d just hire a dominatrix and get it out of his system—LOL

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MRA June 29, 2012 at 21:55

@Eric

In cannibals tribes, men like manboobs would have been eating a lot time ago……by the females then fucked the males who killed him in first place next to his bones.

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Eric June 29, 2012 at 21:59

MRA:
Well, Futrelle certainly has a lot of fat on him—not sure how much actual meat though LOL

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Ode June 30, 2012 at 03:06

MRA

I think a civil war will fix this BUT for a civil war men have to give a fuck and they don’t.

In order to have a civil war people have to at least agree to choose one of 2 sides. The way things are going for the USA I doubt if even that’s a possibilty. The ultimate fate for the USA will be Balkanization where the country breaks up into who knows how many nations? If the USA avoids this fate and manages to remain in one piece it will only be possible with a dictatorship where unity is imposed by force.

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Art Vandelay June 30, 2012 at 12:43

Well, we know what Romney’s going to run on. repeal Obamacare. and we also know that when he gets into office he’s not going to actually do it.

Because it was his idea in the first place…

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Art Vandelay June 30, 2012 at 13:08

This has already happened in Canada. Child support often continues to the end of their first university degree.

This is how it’s done in Germany as well, you have to complete job training (university or vocational). At age 18 the money goes to the children though, and child support isn’t as draconian as in the US.

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fmz July 1, 2012 at 20:04

“This will simply incentivize mothers to keep children “dependent” as long as possible”

Dependency of progeny is the ESSENCE of Motherhood.

From that psycho-bubble She gleans everything She cannot and/or will not WILL upon her self.

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Rant Casey - BR July 2, 2012 at 05:07

Now thats a really odd situation you american men are facing.

How come they ask a 26 years old man to “man up” and the next moment they charge his father for “child support”? Does the bill ceases in case the “26 yo child” decides to “man up?”

That’s a pretty fucked up logic going up there.

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Firepower July 2, 2012 at 15:26

Peter South June 29, 2012 at 11:55

@Firepower
*Channeling “the Bobs” from Office Space…

Good to see you improve your mind with Today’s Philosophers
but sorry, personally
I don’t watch
that shit

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Peace Debts July 4, 2012 at 07:05

greyghost June 29, 2012 at 02:32

“We will have a sitution like in Communist Russia where doctors and engineers are working poor in reality but have slightly better relative lifestyle in relationship to others. The best standard of living will belong to party members in positions of government.”

More likely you will have a situation like in today’s Russia where if you need a _good_ doctor you must be able to afford it. If you can’t, you go to a regular doctor who probably bought his diploma on the black market and got his job thanks to some influential relative. The rich travel abroad to meet a doctor. The poor travel to remote villages to meet witches, shamans and “traditional healers”.

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Mitch July 4, 2012 at 13:04

Well heck, lets just support children until they are 52 (or until the non-custodial parent dies). Then we will have an entire country of people who have not learned a work ethic, and can’t take care of themselves!
There are already a host of 30 somethings that can’t pay their way and mom and dad are supporting them. They have pretty nice lifestyles, and the shock will come when no one is there to provide for them.

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Brian - FL January 23, 2013 at 14:57

In my state (Florida), divorce decrees include verbiage that says that the father must pay child support until the child is 18, with a clause that says that the support will be extended until the earlier of the child’s 19th birthday or the child’s date of graduation from high school but ONLY if the child has a reasonable expectation of graduating from high school.

So, if the kid hasn’t finished high school by age 18, and has no possibility of graduating by age 19… child support ends.

This won’t change with the affordable care act. The act only affects HEALTH CARE. Understand?

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Doctor Mom October 20, 2013 at 12:46

Custodial parents’ worries are about to be over.
A. Thanks to Obamacare, his ex-wife is the one responsible to place the children on HER health insurance. Obamacare requires that the parent who gets the tax break for the children have to show the coverage if the income allows.
B. Thanks to Obamacare, a parent’s company that was already providing health insurance will get two breaks.
1. They will get a tax CREDIT for the portion of the premiums that they pay. The can pass this new savings on to him, which he can then use to cover his children.
2. His company’s premiums will likely drop because they no longer have to pay for all the free loaders in the emergency room. (Thanks Ronald Reagan!)
3. His company may add his children to his plan because their overall costs will plummet, and they prefer to keep talented employees and reduce turnover.
C. Seems like this guy had more children than he could afford in the state of New York. Three? $35K is not that much. He should take advantage of the education tax breaks and get some higher education training to increase his pay.
D. He can apply to the court or the local child support agency to have his child support altered to include whatever mandatory payments are required of him.
E. If he truly cannot afford the coverage, he can apply for Medicaid, which was expanded, thanks to Obamacare. Or if he is above Medicaid income, his children may qualify for S-CHIP or Obamacare subsidies.
F. There is nothing in the Affordable Care Act that requires parents, neither custodial and non-custodial to extend healthcare coverage or child support beyond what is required by state law.

Parents should be thanking their lucky stars that the Affordable Care Act is about to improve his situation. I hope his job was not affected by the Republican crybabies with the recent shut down.

I am a physician employer and a part time government employee. I have children, elderly parents, and myself. Since the affordable care act came on line, I have been able to cover my two adult children, one of whom is in medical school and one who went back to school after a military tour. I used IRS form 8941 to get a tax credit for my employees’ coverage. It helped me out so much, I now pay the entire premium for my employees and their children. In my practice, people are coming for vaccinations and pap smears free of charge, thanks to Obamacare, which lets me do well. We are preventing disease more instead of treating illness at the more expensive end, and soon this country will be singing with joy.

Have a nice day everyone.

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Aaron the Just November 28, 2013 at 23:43

@Doctor Mom,

It’s pretty obvious you’re both a female and a government employee.

Let us know how things are going once every insurance network wants to slash the rates they’ll pay you, and Medicare doesn’t pass a “doc fix”. You’ll be lucky if you can afford to eat.

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