How Can Christians Avoid Divorce?

by W.F. Price on June 25, 2012

It’s hard to take Christians seriously when they criticize divorce, because they are functionally supporting it. Lowering the divorce rate – if only in the Christian community – would be remarkably easy. How can we know this? Because divorce remains almost unknown amongst the Amish.

The Amish may have a lot of peculiar views on the world from our perspective, but their take on marriage is pretty much the exact same ours used to be long ago. When one Amish spouse decides to divorce another for “no fault,” he or she is promptly expelled from the community. Even at fault divorces are frowned upon, and all but prohibited.

It’s a very strict marital regime, and I think a lot of us, if we were honest with ourselves, might want to think twice about such an arrangement. But there’s no doubt it works.

Could some of these principles be applied to a more mainstream faith community? Absolutely yes, and they wouldn’t have to be so severe to be effective. Changing divorce law is a tall order, but religious groups do not have to run their congregations according to the principles of marriage equality. While people can easily sue for divorce in state courts, churches are not prohibited from having their own rules.

If Christians want to lower the divorce rate in their churches, it would be as simple as kicking out those who frivolously divorce, and treating divorcées as adulteresses. As it is today, abandoned husbands are usually the ones left in the ditch by churches, so this would be a major change. But if churches want to stay true to Christianity, they would do well to recognize that from the beginning, Christian women were not allowed to sue for divorce. There is no precedent in ancient Hebrew, Greek or Roman law for women to divorce their husbands. This is why the Christian church is so ill-prepared to deal with the revolutionary idea of granting women the right to divorce. Even today, Orthodox Jews do not allow it, nor do Muslims (civil law differs, but here we are speaking of ecclesiastic law). Rabbinic and Sharia courts may order men to divorce their wives, but women cannot legally divorce without their husband’s consent.

Women were first granted the right to divorce in revolutionary France, in 1792. This was rescinded shortly thereafter, in 1804, and French women had to wait another 80 years before regaining the right to kick their husbands to the curb. The revolutionary edict was a first in civilized society (if you could apply that moniker to revolutionary France), to be followed some decades later by Great Britain with the Matrimonial Causes Act 1857. Naturally, some fifteen years later mother custody became the norm in the UK.

The transfer of marriage from ecclesiastic to civil law has continued apace since “reforms” of the 19th century, with devastating consequences for traditional marriage. However, this doesn’t mean that churches have to follow civil law — at least not in the United States (not yet, anyway). To this day, rabbinic courts have authority over Orthodox Jewish marriages, including in some civil matters. Given that it contradicts core Christian doctrine, I’m not sure this would be appropriate for Christian churches, but it probably isn’t necessary in any event.

The point is that granting women the right to initiate divorce goes entirely against Christianity, as well as all other major religions. According to the Christian faith, a woman who leaves her husband is an adulteress — even if he consents. So why is it that divorced women are so quickly forgiven and fostered by “Christian” churches? I’m fairly certain that it’s about the money they bring to the table (divorced men are often impoverished), but if Christians looked deep within themselves they’d have to admit that there’s nothing Christian about such an arrangement.

New Agers often claim that women were free to leave husbands in pre-Christian societies, and this was sometimes true, but in such societies women were generally chattel, especially if they had no children of their own. Typically, if a woman left a husband for another man the aggrieved husband could demand compensation in the form of livestock or some other goods, so that he could fetch himself another wife.

Amongst the Cheyenne, for example, a man who absconded with another’s wife was expected to provide compensation. The Cheyenne were remarkably tolerant of divorce and affairs, unlike some other tribes, but the man still retained the privilege of “drum divorce” in which he could cast out his wife in front of witnesses and sever all responsibility toward her. There was nothing to be gained materially from leaving a husband, and absconding with another incurred a material penalty. The going rate in the 19th century seemed to have been a horse or two, although some Cheyenne husbands reportedly said a dog would be acceptable compensation.

Thus we see that in pre-Christian societies women were not so much empowered by divorce as devalued by it.

So Christians really have nothing to fear from holding a different line from the secular world. The advantages accrued in contemporary divorce hang by a thread, and are often more illusion than fact. Divorced women are not, in general, richer, happier or healthier. And if the churches themselves stopped extending sympathy and succor to women who flout the teachings of the church, there would be even less incentive to “eat, pray, love.” Any church that held a strict line could eliminate divorce amongst the lay people. It might mean throwing out those who break the rules, but drastic times call for drastic measures, and it would work.

Unfortunately, Christians are up against heresy on a massive scale. It isn’t going to be easy to change the culture of a church that allows itself to be led by the secular, civil regime. However, ultimately, this will probably be the only way the Christian church can survive in the West. The first Christians of Rome didn’t grow and prosper because they followed the ways of their depraved, secular neighbors. They followed their own rules; their own good book. It served them well, and they came to be the most powerful social force in Europe.

I write this not as a missionary, or even a committed Christian. I’m a bit of a stand-off, and a student of a number of religions, but I’d consider it neglect to hold off on giving advice to the majority religion in my country. And if anyone leads the way in restoring a semblance of normality to domestic relations, I’m convinced it’s going to be those with religious convictions. This is how it has always been.

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Rebel June 25, 2012 at 12:53

Maybe the marriage laws should be changed in such a way that in case of a divorce, both the husband and the wife lose massively financially.

It would make young people think twice about their vows before they marry.

This would result in fewer marriages, but marriages might last longer.

Another way could be the abolition of “no fault”, establish mandatory shared parenting, abolish alimony. Make divorce unattractive.

However, I believe that none of this will happen.

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greyghost June 25, 2012 at 12:53

The laws are still in place. But something like that is real big on the herd mentality as a check on behavior. Most modern western women claim “christian” the same as a women wears mke up or a girdle. It is just a fashion/status getting. getting the boot so to speak from a local church would maybe have the same effect as an cosmetics manufacturer discontinueing one of their many shades of grey to black eye liner.
If the woman actually took her christian faith that seriously it may be something that is a non issue but I guess it would be like something that keeps honorable appearing people honorable in there appearance if it is defined by not taking advantage of the current laws of misandry..

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 12:58

Price:
Feminism gained its strongest foothold in the Anglosphere and Scandanavia because it exploited the inherent Puritan tendencies of those cultures to pedestalize females. The divorce rate isn’t nearly so high in Christian countries which primarily Catholic or Orthodox.

What will have to change for Christians in the Anglosphere is recognizing that their own deification of the human female is responsible for their problems. It doesn’t make any difference what religion a typical American female has; the fact is that she’s been taught to hate men and feel herself superior to us since her youth. That’s why even religious men who want to marry should still avoid American women (no matter how ‘tradcon’ they claim to be) and marry foreign girls who aren’t contaminated by this garbage.

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Rebel June 25, 2012 at 13:02

“marry foreign girls who aren’t contaminated by this garbage.”

Then, don’t bring her back here: she will become contaminated in no time flat. And she will be worse than her AW sisters.

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Poiuyt June 25, 2012 at 13:03

http://news.yahoo.com/rodmans-ex-wife-keeps-restraining-order-against-former-012023462–nba.html
“”ORANGE, California (Reuters) – A California court on Friday extended a restraining order against former basketball star Dennis Rodman and told him to stay away from his ex-wife who testified he showed up drunk at her apartment. The decision comes as Rodman, 51, and his former spouse, Michelle, continue to battle in court over unpaid child support payments that her attorneys say total about $800,000.”””

Christian, Muslim, Jew or Gentile: The only avoidance of divorce in this goddamned land is to avoid any lasting commitment or relationships.

The divorce racket and phenomena are representative features of this society and of its cowardly white knights nirvana and utopian ideals. A society in which appearances for profit are constructed of oppressive violence on female and child innocents … Where man, because of his alleged dangerous maleness, is cast as unworthy of his own house or children, but worth every bit of income and property extracted off him on their behalf.

At the other end of this dramatic mess, is the human paraiste called ex wife or mother, now but a stinking relic of what was once a person. That is, one whom now only receives a free share stolen of mans income or property on divorce, by isolating the children from their father whilst claiming or exaggerating an imagined victimisation.

To be sure, hundreds of thousands of rent seeking professionals and socialist workers depend on this type of womans dependancy and domestic strife for their own daily bread and sinful wage. Because if not for the great employment gained, creating and managing this mess of imbicile women and bastard children, how else would they ably justify their place at the public treasury and trough ?

Why would any man accept, agree or ever claim to be married in this cesspit ?

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Firepower June 25, 2012 at 13:03

It’s hard to take Christians seriously…

xtians ARE idiots.

They babble on about “i can haz follow BIBLE!”

But when St. Paul tells their WOMEN TO STFU in church matters…all, goes oddly silent.

HYPOCRISY

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Rebel June 25, 2012 at 13:04

Looks like there is always the same someone giving thumbs down..

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dragnet June 25, 2012 at 13:07

What you say is true of course—that civil and ecclesiastical law are entirely different and that the church doesn’t have to follow the lead of the secularists on issues like marriage…

…which of course begs the question of why they are, in fact, doing so. And the answer, if you ask me, is very simple: that both feminists and Christian conservatives favor gov’t involvement in marriage because both groups want to use gov’t power for their own particular brand of social engineering. It really is that simple.

Both groups crave power over freedom—case closed.

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Firepower June 25, 2012 at 13:14

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 13:20

Firepower:
Slow down, take a deep breath…put the Captain Crunch back on the shelf…and listen carefully:

The Anglosphere is in trouble because its culture went wrong. The way to fix that is to infuse with it cultures that counter-act the poison. This involves foreign women because it’s impossible to reproduce with the native-born stock; since they are the ones who are ideologically poisioned.

See, it’s very simple…when you think about it.

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T June 25, 2012 at 13:21

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 13:24

T;
Better still, walk away from feminised women altogether. That way, you can have all the ‘liberation’ you want to chase thugs and bums instead of responsible Christian men.

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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) June 25, 2012 at 13:33

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Ron June 25, 2012 at 13:36

There are going to be times when the no-fault divorce is appropriate. And I have no doubt that every single man on this forum knows that there are times when the woman has to grab the kids and get the hell out.

The problem is that this natural impulse to help and protect the innocent and helpless has been twisted and used by people with ideological and financial incentives to bludgeon the common man into the ground.

The laws need changing, but more importantly, our general attitude of cut-throat hatred of men has to change.

The sickness in our society is very deep and it is going to be a long struggle to correct. The current abuse against men is just the latest version of it. But sites like this are a very important first step.

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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) June 25, 2012 at 13:37

ministers and preachers front the vast divorce industry.

they are the useful idiots “joining together” what the banking cartel plans to “put assunder.”

Bring Back Prima Noctes! Braveheart: “Grant them prima noctes. First night, when any common girl inhabiting their lands is married, our nobles shall have sexual rights to her on the night of her wedding.” lolzlz!

“Longshanks: Nobles. Nobles are the key to the door of Scotland. Grant our nobles lands in the north. Give their nobles estates here in England, and make them too greedy to oppose us.
Advisor: But sire, our nobles will be reluctant to uproot. New lands mean new taxes, and they are already taxed for the war in France.
Longshanks: Are they? Are they? The trouble with Scotland is that it’s full of Scots. Perhaps the time has come to reinstitute an old custom. Grant them prima noctes. First night, when any common girl inhabiting their lands is married, our nobles shall have sexual rights to her on the night of her wedding. If we can’t get them out, we breed them out. That should fetch just the kind of lords we want to Scotland, taxes or no taxes.
Advisor: A most excellent idea, sire.
Longshanks: Is it? “

–From Braveheart

I wish they would bring Prima Noctes back!!

Imagine just one other man having rights to your wife, for one night, before you got her.

That would rock!!

Today the master fiat class gives the first rights of your wife to an endless array of douchetards, starting in elementary school, commanding her to see lying, peacocking, manipulative, girly beta males as alphas, while seeing manly alphas as betas; as her mother exiled her true father long ago, under command of the fiat masters.

From an early age they teach her that her ginatingles rule the world, not Jesus, nor Thor, nor Zeus, nor Moses. When she gets knocked up, they reward her with fiat dollars which Ben Benanke hand delivers in his helicopter.

Today, when she kisses those kids and sends them off to school, she leaves traces of dozens of other men on their cheeks.

Make no mistake–she is working for the Fed, and if you question any of this she will take your children away and the feminist police will search your home to determine how many assets of yours she will get. For again, all the Fed can do is create debt, and to convert this debt into physical wealth, they need men, like you, to work and labor for it. lozlzlzl!

You know you tasted it when you kissed her a couple times on those early dates–that salty prima nocta form those who violated her orfices a few minutes before. And now she pwns u, the kids, and the home! And you have to pay 4 ur own cuckolding!!

lozlzl!

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Ron June 25, 2012 at 13:40

I am not a xtian, but from reading a few blogs I get the impression that the disparagement of men is a problem. In the Jewish community, when a group of like minded men find that the local “church” is not up to their standards, they get together and start a new one.

I suppose that many xtian men have thought of doing exactly that, but for the problem of finding enough like minded men in their community to do so. But then, that is where blogs like this come into play.

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wobbegong June 25, 2012 at 13:45

@ T

“So…. you want women to be thrown out and castigated if they divorce. So, where’s the Christian “forgiveness” here?”

What else does one do?

Judge each case on it’s merits. If you forgive and have no punishment for such behaviour then you encourage it and get more of it. Simple as that. It ain’t rocket science T.
Sorry gave this dolt a green tick by accident, just woken up! :-)

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Turbo the Drycleaner June 25, 2012 at 14:11

Judges 2 13-18

13 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.
14 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he delivered them into the hands of spoilers that spoiled them, and he sold them into the hands of their enemies round about, so that they could not any longer stand before their enemies.
15 Whithersoever they went out, the hand of the LORD was against them for evil, as the LORD had said , and as the LORD had sworn unto them: and they were greatly distressed.
16 Nevertheless the LORD raised up judges, which delivered them out of the hand of those that spoiled them.
17 And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so.
18 And when the LORD raised them up judges, then the LORD was with the judge, and delivered them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge: for it repented the LORD because of their groaning by reason of them that oppressed them and vexed them.

The bible is clear on this: in times such as these, a judge is needed.

and yet American churches place undue importance on “forgiveness”. Nowadays, the church seems to have mistaken the forgiveness written in the bible with being “nonjudgemental”, an ideal that is exalted so much in modern culture that it has earned its place beside Baal and Ashtaroth.

As it is now, the Christian church can save sinners, but it cannot lead them. It cannot deliver them out of the hands of their enemies, because even the leaders go a whoring after other gods.

I hear the Catholic church is better in this regard but these are my thoughts after having grown up in a “non-denominational” church, which is perhaps the worst kind. If there is going to be any kind of revival (or even just survival) of Christianity, it will come from a church led by a Pope who is committed to rooting out church leaders that hearken more unto worldly voices like Gloria Steinem and Jessica Valenti than they do God.

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Georice81 June 25, 2012 at 14:15

The whole issue comes down to following the Bible.

1. A man divorces his wife only because of her committing fornication. Even going to see the Chippendales is reason for a divorce. She is to be considered an adultress and no one else from the church can marry her.

2. A man can divorce his wife if she is an unbeliever and abandons him.

3. A woman can divorce her husband only if he is an unbeliver and abandons her.

This is it! What is so difficult about this?

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Okrahead June 25, 2012 at 14:41

The Amish practice of “kicking out” the divorcing spouse is exactly right. I find it amazing that so many “Christians” preach “forgiveness” for women who destroy their homes, while showing no compassion whatsoever for the men or children involved. Perhaps this is due to the fact that so few churches today preach repentance before forgiveness. After all, if a woman repents of her sinful behavior in divorce then she has only one choice; she must return to her husband and first seek his forgiveness. I don’t see much of that happening in our feminist dominated culture.

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keyster June 25, 2012 at 14:45

Christian churches have adopted “preventative care” programs, whereby a young couple must be counseled for weeks if not months before their minister will agree to marry them. Each knows going in what to expect of the other and how to resolve conflicts. Unless he feels they’re well suited for each other, sufficiently mature, etc., he won’t marry them.

They recognize divorce and the dissolution of the nuclear family is a problem. But there will never be a Christian denomination or congregation that follows the Bible to the Word. Stoning women for adultery is illegal, and considered somewhat barbaric.

In Biblical Times great responsibility was heaped upon the position of husband and father by the church elders, the families and the community. It was no panacea for men – – just because he was guaranteed a virgin and his wife couldn’t divorce him.

Just for some context; by brother practices law and when I asked him who the biggest assholes are in the divorce cases he’s handled, he says it’s about equally split between men and women.

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Soapwort McFuggletoes June 25, 2012 at 14:54

Add my vote for faith based marriage without any government ratification whatsoever. Government is a liberty crushing blunt instrument of despair and it will deliver ruin to interpersonal relationships as a matter of course.

This institution belongs squarely in the hands of the churches for them to regulate among those that choose to freely associate with them. Risk of excommunication is a boon, but more to the point, partners may also draw strength (e.g. a foundation of stone vs sand) from the clearly outline expectations that are not up for negotiation or whimsical redefinition.

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MKP June 25, 2012 at 15:04

@ T:

“Guess what, won’t happen. Cast out a woman, and watch the whole church walk away, disgusted.”

Yes, that’s abundantly clear. That’s why practically every man under the age of 30 has long ago given up on the church hustle, and that’s why young women outnumber young men more than 2 to 1 in most churches, and that’s why you and your ilk are always constantly whining about “where are the men?? Why have men turned from Christ?”

And that’s why Christianity is dying a not-so-slow death, while those of us with two brain cells to rub together are laughing our asses off about the whole thing.

Sorry, Price. You’re a smart guy and a great writer, but this Christian stuff is beds in a burning house.

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Georice81 June 25, 2012 at 15:07

One thing that the Bible points out and which is COMPLETELY ingnored nowdays is church discipline. If a person is involved in sexual immorality they are to be taken before the church elders and if found guilty to be expunged from the church. This is similar to taking them out of the city walls and stone to death. The difference now is that they can repent and be brought into fellowship with the church. If they do not, they are to be considered as unbelievers and thus the spouse is free to re-marry. Or else, God Himself judges them and destroys their flesh (death). In this last case the spouse is also free to remarry.

This which I mentioned is in the Bible. Churches now don’t practice discipline because frankly they are scared.

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W.F. Price June 25, 2012 at 15:14

@MKP

I’m afraid you’re right, but basic decency (and respect for my own heritage) requires that I at least warn them.

I’m also highly skeptical of the ability of secular society to restore marriage as a functional institution. Kind of depressing, but so it goes.

Soapwort McFuggletoes June 25, 2012 at 15:26

Off topic, but maybe worth sharing…

An analogy of bees versus wasps hit me today as I overheard a woman speaking about being stung by the later this morning. I must be more and more a member of this community given that this immediately sprung to mind:

men are the bees
women are the wasps

If a man takes a course of inflicting pain upon another, he will be immediately held to account, often paying the steepest cost possible. Moreover, a man’s natural role is to produce, akin to pollination, but a relative rarity (absent?) among the community of wasps.

Nowadays, with big daddy, arm twisting, thought prescribing, Uncle Sam around, our roles as the useful drones have become increasingly difficult to overlook. Not to be overlooked, the drones of the hive are taking orders from a bloated queen (feminism’s symbol) in a perpetually hormonal state of single mindedness.

Ain’t nature grand?!

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Ted June 25, 2012 at 16:47

“You just don’t like women, ”

Whatever gave you that idea, T?

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TLM June 25, 2012 at 17:02

Very interesting post and one I’ve unfortunately seen many examples of in “church”. As a new Christian a decade ago, I bought into everything taught from the pulpit. Even the ridiculously UN-Biblical and pop-culture books they promoted (PDL, POJ, etc). I was a card carrying member of Western Churchianity. Then I compared what the church was promoting with what the Bible actually had to say and realized there was a massive difference between the two. These days I can barely stand going to church and find it incredibly depressing at what passes for so-called expository teaching. Show me a church that chastises women for their reckless divorce initiations and that alone would make it worth it for me to attend.

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TFH June 25, 2012 at 17:31

As I have said before, the divorce rate of a society depends on one thing predominantly :

Will the woman’s living standard go down if she divorces?

If yes, that society has a low divorce rate.
If no (via rigged laws), then that society has a high divorce rate.

All the rationalizations of not being ‘haaaapy’ or ‘growing apart’ or ‘needing to find herself’ are merely excuses to cosmetically cover the financial decision of the frivolous divorce. In societies where a woman cannot secure assets through easy divorce, all those excuses are miraculously absent.

This lead to the other point I often bring up :

Democracy and Marriage cannot coexist for more than a century or so. It will not be obvious to people who have a lifespan shorter than that, but Democracy inevitably leads to women voting for laws to be rigged more and more in their favor, until, after a delayed reaction, men just refuse to play along. Women cannot stop themselves from ruthlessly revising the rules in their favor, so Democracy simply destroys the institution of marriage.

Conservatives think they are big on both Democracy and marriage. In reality, they have to pick one (they will usually pick Democracy since they don’t have the courage to address what is really destroying marriage).

People always thing the existing status quo is permanent. It is not. Megatrends need to be seen in entirety.

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TFH June 25, 2012 at 17:33

WFPrice,

I’m also highly skeptical of the ability of secular society to restore marriage as a functional institution.

Rather, democracy is what destroys marriage, over 6-10 decades.

This is because women ruthlessly organize to redefine every detail of the contract in their favor. Women are very focused around this goal.

Men are usually to clueless to even know this is happening, let alone oppose it.

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Anonymous Reader June 25, 2012 at 17:36

Most churches could never do this, given the number of women members who have divorced a time or two or three. Any pastor who got up and said anything like this would be looking for a new job pretty quickly.

The second stage has already begun; first it was women preachers, now it’s no big deal for a divorced woman to be a preacher in some churches.

So expect doubling down on the shaming of MGTOW’s, from churchianity. Perhaps after marriage all but collapses, and most churches have become nothing more than tax-exempt social clubs, something can be done.

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Paul Murray June 25, 2012 at 17:54

” Because divorce remains almost unknown amongst the Amish.

When one Amish spouse decides to divorce another for “no fault,” he or she is promptly expelled from the community.”

Could it be that the reason that the numbers show that that there is little divorce among the amish is that anyone who divorces is no longer amish?

I’d like to see the numbers not for people who *are* amish, but for people who were amish *when they were married*.

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W.F. Price June 25, 2012 at 17:58

This is because women ruthlessly organize to redefine every detail of the contract in their favor. Women are very focused around this goal.

Men are usually to clueless to even know this is happening, let alone oppose it.

-TFH

It’s very telling that Christianity is essentially based on a divine concept of marriage (e.g. church is “bride of Christ”). I suspect we had a similar crisis at the dawn of the Roman Empire. Women are indeed rebellious by nature. They are sexually disordered in their feral state, and a strong regressive force that would lead us back to savagery if their instincts were granted free rein.

It’s better to be honest about these things at this point. We can’t and shouldn’t entirely repress female sexuality (it does serve to increase fitness), but it needs at least as much control as male to avoid descent to the level of common beasts. Feminists even go so far as to use apes as a model for human sexual behavior, which shows exactly where they want to take us.

W.F. Price June 25, 2012 at 18:03

I’d like to see the numbers not for people who *are* amish, but for people who were amish *when they were married*.

-Paul Murray

Paul, by all accounts I’ve seen, the overwhelming majority of Amish remain with the faith.

I’m not advocating an Amish lifestyle for the typical guy, and I’d fail miserably if held to their test. I’m actually very happy to be done with my ex (although not thrilled about the custody arrangement).

The point is that if Christians really have a problem with divorce, they are perfectly free to regulate their flock by giving the boot to those who ignore Christian teaching, and that’s exactly what they should do if they want to prevent frivolous divorce. Those who are too chicken to do so should stop calling themselves Christian. It’s a sham, and doesn’t do the faith a bit of good.

Andie June 25, 2012 at 18:10

I’m an atheist and personally, I fucking HATE the idea of anyone’s imaginary friend telling ME how to live my life.

I go with Reagan on the issue of divorce:

If you want less of something, tax it. If you want more of it, subsidize it.

No woman (and no man, for that matter) should be able to destroy a family unit without incurring debilitating financial penalties. As it stands, it’s pretty easy for men to get screwed and driven into poverty, but women come out all right, because whatever money they can’t wrestle from their husbands, they take from all taxpayers everywhere, through taxpayer funded social programs.

Ending divorce is pretty simple.

Child support? ZERO
Alimony? ZERO
Pension entitlements? ZERO
Food stamps? NOT FOR THE DIVORCED
Welfare? NOT FOR MARRIAGE WRECKERS
Splitting family resources? FIGURE IT OUT KIDS

There should always be exceptions for spouses who are criminally abusive, but the criminal law is there for just that reason. My husband’s best friend married a psycho bitch from hell, and she severed his carotid artery with some fancy stoneware dinner plates she chucked after an argument. He was lucky he didn’t bleed to death before the ambulance arrived. We wanted him to press charges. We tried so hard. But he didn’t want to be the laughing stock of the town he lives in.

Had he pressed charges and won a conviction, then different laws should kick in.

But divorcing because you’re just not feeling it anymore? No way. Not when there are children. Absolutely not. Make the financial penalty overwhelming. Don’t outlaw divorce. Just make it devastating, financially.

Don’t subsidize it. Tax it.

And forget about what your imaginary friend thinks.

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 18:23

Paul Murray:
The key dynamic with the Amish is that they are a subculture. They do not participate in American culture any more than is necessary.

That’s why their divorce rates are neglible—they’ve insulated themselves from the toxicity of feminism. A really good example is among Catholics: note that the Catholic Church preaches against divorce, but the divorce rate among American Catholics is much higher than other Catholic countries.

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 18:32

MKP/Price:
If the churches want to survive, they need to start throwing women out of leadership positions as much as possible. MKP is right; and it’s no accident that women outnumber men by heavy margins in churches and that men are turning away from. Exactly the same thing happened in higher education: universities can hardly get men interested in attending anymore.

Frankly, I like going back and reading the early Church Fathers. They’d puke if they saw what churches had turned into today.

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Rebel June 25, 2012 at 18:36

“Women are indeed rebellious by nature. They are sexually disordered in their feral state, and a strong regressive force that would lead us back to savagery if their instincts were granted free rein. ”

Men created the civilized world essentially for the benefit of women. The cost in men’s lives has been horrendous.

But when you consider that women do not appreciate the gift, wouldn’t one be tempted to abandon the project altogether?

I mean, if women would rather go back to savagery, why bother?

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greyghost June 25, 2012 at 20:00

Justinian
MGTOW is not men living in card board shanty towns it is men not allowing there laber to be used by women and the state. Think of the life style of the gay male community without the homosexuality.

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 20:05

Justinian:
Well, as things stand women (in our culture anyway) seem to pursue barely-civilised thugs and savages as it is. And yes that includes ‘tradcons’.

The thing to do is leave these bitches to kinds of degenerates they want. But that doesn’t mean having to live in a cave. There are non-feminist cultures out there with women who actually like and value men. Men should reward women like that.

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greyghost June 25, 2012 at 20:05

Good thing we have Jennifer here to set you straight Welmer because men are just as feral as women. And the bible says fuck you guys a women doesn’t owe you guys shit.

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 20:09

Jennifer:
Women have initiated or otherwise caused the overwhelming number of divorces since ‘no-fault divoorce’ became the norm. Our feminist-inspired culture teaches women to hate men and feel superior to them. That’s why they’ll destroy any responsible man in their path and slut around with bums instead. Their egos only can reach equilibrium when they feel superior to the man.

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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) June 25, 2012 at 20:17

Actually Jennifer, you should read Genesis:

16

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

IF YOU DON’T HONOR GENESIS, YOU’RE NOT A CHRISTIAN.

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W.F. Price June 25, 2012 at 20:17

Actually, the Bible says a woman should not feel attached to a man if he abandons her; the Hebrew law allowed husbands to put away wives instead of divorcing them, hence the words about adulteresses. If you wanted to make restrictions against divorce, they’d have to be against men too; churches would have to treat divorced men the same as divorced women.

-Jennifer

What backwoods preacher told you that?

Rebel June 25, 2012 at 20:18

@Justinian June 25, 2012 at 18:55
“I don’t want to go back to living in a cave like an animal. ”

I am surprised at your interpretation of my words.
Your choice.

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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) June 25, 2012 at 20:33

Dear Jennifer,

I made a video for you about modern womenzz zzozozlzoloz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70L7qjLas4M

“Slutty Women Ready To Settle Down With Nice Guys”

enjoy!

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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) June 25, 2012 at 20:34

Dear Jennifer,

A scientific survey recently found that the top two questions modern women ask are:

1) Where have all the good men gone?
2) Why is my butt sore?

lzoozzlzozllzz

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Rebel June 25, 2012 at 20:38

In a very real sense, I envy those who have a belief in what they call “God”.
I have never been able to convince myself to believe, no matter how hard I tried. I even studied theology, to no avail. I just can’t find a match between faith and science.

Believers have added a sense to their lives that I have never had. That’s why I do not scorn believers but envy them instead.

But on the other hand, I am not restricted. I mean that the Bible does not speak to me: therefore, what it says bears no meaning to me.
I do not feel restricted nor obligated. In that line of reasoning, I agree with Greyghost’s comments: women don’t owe men a thing (and vice-versa)

The one thing I believe in is freedom (and that, too, may turn out to be an illusion).

Freedom and marriage do not fit well together. It’s because marriage is an institution that’s either controlled by a church or by a state.
Men and women owe each other absolutely nothing. That’s why, in an earlier comment, I asked the question:”why bother?”

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greyghost June 25, 2012 at 20:39

Jennifer
Come on, man. You are playing dumb and smarter than thou on the same post.

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greyghost June 25, 2012 at 20:48

Rebel
The christian Bible is actually pretty good. All you really need to do is read genesis al the way thru and life is much clearer. What causes men to turn away from the bible is the church sucking up to secular pop culture and feminism. Also in the context of marriage a woman does have duties and responsibilities to her husband. Just because the church, the laws of misandry and Jennifer don’t thing so doesn’t mean it is not so.

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Rob June 25, 2012 at 20:51

In the Old Testament, they are pretty close to the true sexual nature of man and woman.

Adultery, according to the Old Testament, was when a married woman slept with another man (ie. cuckolding the husband), and men were considered guilty of adultery when they slept with a married woman (ie. cuckolding the husband).

A married man sleeping with a single woman was NOT considered adultery. You cannot cuckold a woman. The Old Testament is about Father-Custody, which is still the cure to all that ails the Gender War.

King David had several wives and concubines (17 I think – but I didn’t look it up), and was still in favour with God until he slept with Bathsheeba, thereby cuckolding another man… the other broads were not considered sins. The same with Solomon and his 1,000 concubines.

The Bible “knows” things about humanity, if we would just take its teachings a bit more to heart. There are lots of things from antiquity that assert they had a better handle on things than we do in modernity.

If Xtians rejected the modern, and accepted the old, they might become Christians again, despite smaller numbers. This too is in keeping with Biblical teachings.

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Rob June 25, 2012 at 21:05

“Rob, what you’re describing is polygamy, and this was never God’s design either; He speaks more than once of what marriage is: between a man and a woman.” — Jennifer

It’s in the good book, sweatheart. Read it and weep. The Old Testament understood human sexuality quite well: Women would rather share one powerful and dominant man than to have one mediocre man all to themselves.

Only in the New Testament does it change – albeit ambiguously through the words of Jesus, which are more in relation to Him and the Church.

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TFH June 25, 2012 at 21:10

greyghost,

Come on, man. You are playing dumb and smarter than thou on the same post.

As established at length before, Jennifer only comes to the androsphere for gina tingles.

She gets her tingles by being smacked down with logic, and her initial comments are designed to attract such smackdowns (as you point out).

Also, her sexual thrills constitute threatening men with brutal violence (beheading, castration, disembowelment, etc.). She has done so at Dalrock’s many times.

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Rob June 25, 2012 at 21:21

There is a reason why the Bible admonishes against women speaking of their philosophies and tells them to keep silent.

Men’s honor is about him keeping his word. Women’s honor is about her keeping her sexuality to one man. When women talk, they lead men astray… the Bible indicates this clearly, and repeatedly. Women’s sins are almost always related to the use of their tongues.

Was David in favour with God? Yes he was… and yet, he did not just have one woman. How can you reconcile that? It was only when he deemed to screw another man’s wife that he sinned.

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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) June 25, 2012 at 21:22

Dear Jennifer,

This is a perfectly Christian statement, which you found on my Christain blog:

““Roger devlin sayss dat womenz mate like babooons zlzozlzozo without proper trianingsz from menz who read da great boooks for menz like da bible men love da great boooks and womenz love da babooooons zlzllzlzlzlzzol stsyle dodoycyc babbooon styelels zlozlzzl””

lzozlzozozzoozoz

See? When the world is ruled by women’s gina tingles and butt tingles, instead of by Moses and Christ, the mating of our species resembles that of a pack of baboons.

‘Tis true! And as Jesus said, “The truth will set you free!”

Be free Jennifer! Be free of the feminist psychosis that blinds you and binds you to a life of a bitter shrew!

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Rebel June 25, 2012 at 21:22

@Justinian June 25, 2012 at 20:28

“I’ll put you on latrine duty, since toilets are too civilized for your taste.”

This is either an insult or an elusive sense of humour.

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Anonxcf June 25, 2012 at 21:23

I don’t think you should go to order hymenoptera for your analogies- remember that all bees with stingers are females, all drones do no work and are males, and it sort of doesn’t really map, except to some housewife-complainy version of the patriarchy.

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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) June 25, 2012 at 21:24

Jennifer writes, “More like, women would rather have one man protecting and feeding them than starve or die childless and considered worthless in that culture,” showing that woman are like baboons! “More like, baboons would rather have one man protecting and feeding them than starve or die childless and considered worthless in that culture.”

:)

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MKP June 25, 2012 at 21:25

“all men like you do is …”

That didn’t take long.

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Rob June 25, 2012 at 21:31

And Abraham siring Ishmael was not considered a sin. Sarah stayed with him afterwards.

Sarah commanded him, not God.

Look at the results!

Women should not speak of the Bible – it is commanded, quite clearly, because they obfuscate all manners of Absolute Truth.

Do you actually read the Bible, or just the parts you like?

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Rob June 25, 2012 at 21:33

You can argue until you are blue in the face, Jennifer.

All that I am pointing out is that the Bible TRULY understood the sexual nature of male and female in the Old Testament.

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Sam Vincente June 25, 2012 at 21:33

Less divorcees AND less christians!

GENIUS!

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Rob June 25, 2012 at 21:38

I come from a Christian background… and in fact, my own Protestant Church split over the issue of women in office in the early 1990′s.

The church is going astray by letting women influence its philosophy, something the Bible has warned against repeatedly, as well as countless other myths and religions.

When Christianity regains its foothold, it will likely be by rejecting the words of women and telling them to once again remain silent, so that the men can think.

Thus the reason why I think it is so valuable for men to chase women like you – especially the Christian ones – away from MRM sites. You are here to mislead, not to examine the Truth.

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W.F. Price June 25, 2012 at 21:39

Less divorcees AND less christians!

GENIUS!

-Sam Vincente

Thank you, Sam. Finally someone gets it.

The less hypocrisy, the better off we all are. Most Christians today are anything but, and we could use a lot fewer of those types.

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Rob June 25, 2012 at 21:45

1 Timothy 2:12-14 RSV “I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.”

You should practice what you claim to believe.

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migu June 25, 2012 at 21:46

You can’t cherry pick the Bible. Cover to cover the Bible teaches the way out of savagery, and for the atheist and Darwinist, you can see it evolve with civilization. Step by step it brings man up from the field. And each time he regressed, he was warned by God of the consequence beforehand.

Oh you want a king to make law instead of an impartial judge of the law? Fine here is Samuel. And on up through Jesus who abolished the Mosaic covenant, in order to extend his grace to the gentiles.

Everyone should read the Bible. You don’t have to believe to learn from it.

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Rob June 25, 2012 at 21:53

God be with you on your journey, Jennifer.

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ralph gorman June 25, 2012 at 21:53

Presently the law gives women the power of life and death over the unborn child; we should give men the power of life and death over idiot females instead. As for the folly of letting women meddle in public affairs, read the history of Alcohol Prohibition.

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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) June 25, 2012 at 21:54

Just like Eve, Jennifer tasted of the apple given her by the great big serpent lzozozozozozz (da lostas cokaszlozzlozozoz).

And now she is here trying to teach us how sweet a woman’s sexuality all is!

lzolzozzlzozolozz

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keyster June 25, 2012 at 22:02

For those looking for a deep study on Belief and women I recommend this book. It’s pretty stimulating stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/LIBERALISM-AND-THE-AGE-WOMAN/dp/1932762671/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340686684&sr=8-1&keywords=liberalism+and+the+age+of+woman

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will June 25, 2012 at 22:07

@Eric June 25, 2012 at 13:24

Actually its ironically masculinized as in what they think masculinity is. Feminist women are not that feminine(submissive and obedient, pleasant and sweet).

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greyghost June 25, 2012 at 22:09

Jennifer you know you are not here to add to the subject. You are here just to suck the oxygen out of the article.
BTW who are you refering to as sweetheart after you were taking about rape and incest. ( I bet you are one kinky chick. Talking dirty like that on Welmers blog.) Infact I think you are masterbating in front us christian men. A goddamn succubus.

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 22:09

Christianity developed in a culture that had as much influence from Hellenistic Greece and Augustan Rome, if not more so, than it had from Judaism.

The Romans recognized a supreme God, with male and female deities. Their religion mostly employed female priestesses (although Caesar was the head of the institutional religion). The idea of a social polarity was there: the state, paternal and the ‘church’ maternal. The Church followed that same paradigm when Christianity became Rome’s official religion.

The Protestant Reformation broke that polarity. With Mary and the female saints out of society, men substituted (pedestalized) mortal women to compensate for the lack of a feminine polarity. This is why puritanism with its pedestalization of women, and feminism, with its female supramacy, were easily linked, primarily in protestant countries. This also accounts for the sexual puritanism that is rife throughout feminist thought.

The Christian churches, the Protestants especially, but the Anglo-Catholic churches as well, are going to have to deal with this issue at some point. They can’t worship God and idolize femininity at the same times.

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TFH June 25, 2012 at 22:30

Like I said, Jennifer just comes here for gina tingles.

She has no interest in the debate topic at hand. Anyone debating her is actually entertaining her sexually.

Don’t reward this lusty female with the gina tingles she craves.

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 22:37

Jennifer:
‘How many wives have your beliefs gotten you, THF? My last count was none.’

Just like on the last thread: another Gamester outmanouvered by the women LOL.

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TFH June 25, 2012 at 22:44

Eric,

You have never outmaneuvered a Gamesman here or elsewhere. For starters, you have no grasp of what Game is. It is you who routinely get exposed and humiliated on this subject.

And you are agreeing with Jennifer, that a man’s foremost goal is to enter Marriage 2.0? Why are you on The Spearhead?

So Eric agrees with Jennifer that Marriage 2.0 is what men should do (rather than sleep with multiple attractive women). Interesting.

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 22:47

THF:
I’m not saying I outmanouevered Gamesters, I say women routinely do. Why don’t you answer her question: how many women has your beliefs gotten you?

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Rob June 25, 2012 at 22:52

Uh oh! Here comes the TFH ego once again.

Tell me, great prophet… will I get laid next month?

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TFH June 25, 2012 at 22:54

Eric,

how many women has your beliefs gotten you?

A couple dozen.

She is talking about marriages, not lays. Surely you could not have avoided grasping that.

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W.F. Price June 25, 2012 at 22:56

Jennifer:
‘How many wives have your beliefs gotten you, THF? My last count was none.’

Just like on the last thread: another Gamester outmanouvered by the women LOL.

-Eric

Eh, not having had a wife is hardly a handicap. I don’t know why women think it qualifies a guy that he’s been married. In fact, it’s easy as hell to get married (and even easier to get women pregnant). My ex pretty much dragged me to the altar, and the babies came immediately. Then she left as soon as she filled her quota — what a scam. So you’d think a guy who hasn’t been married is probably more discerning, and therefore more alpha. I was just a sentimental sucker who loved kids. Little did I know how easy it was for women to take them away.

TFH June 25, 2012 at 22:58

Rob,

There you are! I wanted to inform you that more and more people are noticing that MRAs of your type don’t do any activism.

Christian Men’s Defense Network is the latest.

Quote : “MRA should get serious or drop the A.”

Go read that. And weep.

More and more people are noticing your lack of activism. What will you do now?

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 22:58

THF:
What I did grasp was that Jennifer also said the church’s fault was pedestalizing women. Chasing a couple of dozen women for lays, that’s NOT pedestalizing women, though? LOL

She also agreed that even Christian women, in our culture, have a predeliction for avoiding ‘real men’ and chasing thugs. How do you account for that?

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 23:02

Price:
Well, according to an article recently posted here, a man who had impregnated 30 random women was a candidate for castration. It doesn’t look like ‘Game’ (which he must have possessed in spades) saved him anymore than it saves married men.

Besides, looking at the guy’s picture and reading about his personal details—I have a hard time seeing exactly how he fit the ‘Alpha’ archetype.

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TFH June 25, 2012 at 23:02

Rob asked a question :

Tell me, great prophet… will I get laid next month?

One does not have to be a Futurist to easily predict ‘no’, based entirely on the angry, ranty, unfocused nature of your comments.

Getting laid requires a cool, serene, seductive vibe. In other words, the exact opposite of your online persona…

Sorry, Rob.

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 23:05

THF;
‘Getting laid requires a cool, serene, seductive vibe.’

Is that why so many dysfunctional thugs and violent criminals seem so successful with the ‘fair sex’? LOL

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TFH June 25, 2012 at 23:18

Is that why so many dysfunctional thugs and violent criminals seem so successful with the ‘fair sex’? LOL

Sort of. Those thugs are confident, and don’t hop to agree with a woman (as you did for Jennifer at 22:37).

It is not always *because* they are thugs, but rather because they are the opposite of neurotic basket cases, or needy appeasers.

I notice most of your ‘arguments’ against Game are anecdotes, and reveal a deep lack of understanding of how female attraction works.

That is why your ‘arguments’ are not against Game at all, but against women altogether. Those are not arguments against Game.

You also are in deep denial that Game works in marriages too, because to admit that would destroy the narrative of ‘Game = thugs in funny hats’ that you are clinging to.

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Eric June 25, 2012 at 23:28

THF:
‘It is not always because they are thugs, but because they are the opposite of needy, appeasing basket-cases.’

Which must explain why so many guys, like Charles Manson for example, are really ‘alphas’. They give off such an aura of confidence and success, right?

Or how about Mr. Desmond Hatchett, referenced above. Living in a small town like he is—none of the women there were aware of his reputation? LOL I’m sure they were all misled by his ‘suave demeanor’ and the fact that he was an ugly, inbred bum who rarely held a steady job—well, he was STILL able to dazzle them with his aura of success? Sure….

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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) June 25, 2012 at 23:30

whenever women are allowed to follow there gina tingles and butt tingles
the state grows

this is why the bernankifiers encouage women to follow, and act upon, their gina tingles and butt tingles, funding them with millions of fiat dollars to break up and destroy the family, and grow the banker’s state, which collects money and property from men via the divorce court, taxes, and inflation tax, seizing his children and drugging them up and dumbing them down.

men created religion and offered it as a gift to women to liberate them from their destructive gina and butt tingles which lead to spinsterhood, broken homes, poverty, and problem and bastard children.

but women, as the ancients noted, are unable to grasp the vast worth of the exalted ideals.

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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) June 25, 2012 at 23:35

see how jennifer flirts with da GBFM?

Jennifer June 25, 2012 at 21:29
“Be free of the erectile disorder that causes you to lust after the image of female baboons, sweetie. And that’s my last post to you.”

See, bring up beasts and animals, and da gina begins to tingle lingle. The ancients inscribed this fundamental aspect of women in the myth of Theseus and the Minotaur, where the king’s wife fucks the bull and gives birth to a bastard beast.

Such is a woman’s fundamental inclination, as evidenced by Jennifer flirting with me for bringing up baboon beasties zlzlzozlzozlzzzzozlzo tingletingletingle lingl linglgl tingle!

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Charles Martel June 26, 2012 at 00:03

Eric
THF:
I’m not saying I outmanouevered Gamesters, I say women routinely do. Why don’t you answer her question: how many women has your beliefs gotten you?

Disturbing. Watching you take sides with the feminist troll. You’re also telegraphing the fact that you’re unsuccessful with women. I have no problem with that but you shouldn’t assume that’s also true for everyone who comments here.

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migu June 26, 2012 at 00:08

The. .pdf Jennifer linked is pretty well thought out. It discusses the limiting passages.

When you read the Bible try and remember this. The old testament is telling one what not to do. It is the story of negative sanctions. Also, if you follow the mosiac covenant you have to follow it all. If you cherry pick the laws of the Pentateuch you are in violation.

The new testament on the other hand, tells you what to do. It is proactive, not reactive, and yes it does provide for spiritual ministry by women. Here is the catch. They can minister to other women and children. If they believe a man is in need of ministry, they are to send him to a priest or deacon.

The Catholic sisters in the old world follow this. The magesterium supports this.

Well this ffrom my phone and its lagging enough for now.

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uk Fred June 26, 2012 at 00:08

To return to the original question, there is a Christian-led organisation http://www.marriagesavers.org/sitems/index.htm
which has instituted community marriage policies in some areas which have cut divorce rates significantly, sometimes by persuading couples as they take a pre-marital psychometric test that the two partners are incompatable.

Secondly, the church has, since the middle ages, become too feminised to be able to stand up for what the Bible teaches against what suits women. LJ Podles has written on this in “The Church Impotent, that is available for free download as a pdf. If you are the leader, will you risk saying something that will alienate 60 to 75% of your hearers directly and have most of the other 25 to 40% getting their ears bent with their wives’ complaints? Most preachers won’t.

So for the church to start getting it right with marriage and divorce, firstly, it needs to attract young men and preach the Gospel, as contained in the Bible, and secondly it needs to give the right sort of support to marriaed couples and families, as well as the right sanctions on those who transgress.

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Eric June 26, 2012 at 00:12

Martel:
The gamecocks are arguing—out of both sides of their mouths as usual—that Christianity pedestalizes women, but they don’t; even though their whole philosophy is geared to pleasing and pedestalizing women. Jennifer might or might not be a feminist troll, but she trumped them (as women always do) because women understand manipulation far better than any of these would-be casanovas do.

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Eric June 26, 2012 at 00:18

GBFM:
‘flirting with me for bringing up baboon beasties.’

Exactly my point. Kind of makes the Gamesters look stupid talking about women getting excited over their ‘suave self-possession’ and ‘baboon beasties’ at the same time doesn’t it?

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Eric June 26, 2012 at 00:25

Rob:
How does it make you feel being scolded by the Christian Mangina Defense Network? They also advise us in the same article not to hold ‘socons and tradcons’ to account their feminist leanings? LOL

Don’t make the man-hating Mama Grizzlies mad—

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evilwhitemalempire June 26, 2012 at 00:57

If Christians want to lower the divorce rate in their churches, it would be as simple as kicking out those who frivolously divorce, and treating divorcées as adulteresses.
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but what would that do to the collection plate?

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evilwhitemalempire June 26, 2012 at 01:10

t says
Cast out a woman, and watch the whole church walk away, disgusted.
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that would be because the church is 90% female these days

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TFH June 26, 2012 at 01:15

Charles Martel,

Disturbing. Watching you take sides with the feminist troll.

Exactly. His hatred for Game exceeds his interest in Men’s Rights.

He not just sides with the feminist troll, but even on her ‘a man must enter a modern marriage to not be a loser’ point.

Very similar to Avenger, I must say….

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migu June 26, 2012 at 01:16

There aren’t many Christians left anyway. Some even teach polytheism. By that I mean pantheism.

The remnant is there, they listen. Their preacher just has a thankless job. Take heart the remnant will do as it always does. Clean up the mess.

For anyone interested who doesn’t feel like going cover to cover with the Bible, I’d recommend Isaiah. The modern parallels are striking.

And do read Psalms and Proverbs, they were written long before the eastern koans. It just goes to show truth can never be denied, only buried for awhile.

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evilwhitemalempire June 26, 2012 at 01:16

great books for men is jar jar binks from star wars episode 1 with lots of gold necklaces and an alarm clock hung about his neck

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migu June 26, 2012 at 01:18

Oh and for the gamers. Proverbs 31. Even better Proverbs 28-31. I think anyway. Game is in there towards the end.

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TFH June 26, 2012 at 01:21

Eric,

I have never seen a Game practitioner get ‘easily manipulated by a woman’ – if anything, they are the group of men MOST resistant to it (which, incidentally, is what Game basically is).

And Jennifer’s comment certainly does not qualify as such (she says women should not be allowed to be surrogates because HER value would go down, in the very comment you are admiring).

Your points are totally incoherent, and reveal nothing other than a pathological obsession with Game, for obvious reasons (that are not what you claim).

Lastly, why do you insist when Game has no value in marriages/LTRs, when it clearly does?

You would be better off not commenting on the subject. Your arguments against Game are worse than a woman’s.

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evilwhitemalempire June 26, 2012 at 01:40

Jennifer June 25, 2012 at 21:11
So are incest and rape, sweetheart. Did God okay those too? Did He ok the practice of putting wives aside? If you’re not a Christian, don’t bother; all men like you do is snatch passages out of context to support your own beliefs.

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because the old testament is just so feminist when read properly

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Nico June 26, 2012 at 02:30

OT:

French tennisplayer Gilles Simon, who has just been elected on the ATP Council along with Federer declared this morning that he finds equal salary for men and women “unfair” since men spend twice the amount of time on the court on average (3 winning sets vs two only) and because male tennisplayers are those who attract most of the sponsors.

He is speaking in the name of most male players. The best one make millions, but those ranked between the 100th and 300th position struggle to make ends meet, and they are aware that the parity principle diverts millions of dollars from their pockets.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2163888/Roger-Federer-named-ATP-Player-Council.html

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JFinn June 26, 2012 at 02:41

I don’t care about lowering the divorce rate nearly as much as I care about making divorces fair. Though I suspect the latter would greatly improve the former.

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Ode June 26, 2012 at 03:16

Eric

The Anglosphere is in trouble because its culture went wrong. The way to fix that is to infuse with it cultures that counter-act the poison. This involves foreign women because it’s impossible to reproduce with the native-born stock; since they are the ones who are ideologically poisioned.

When I was growing up people believed in the American dream where if you worked hard and saved your money then you can move up in life. We’ve all seen the cowboy archetype who earned his keep and didn’t live his life accepting handouts. Ronald Reagan promoted the virtues of small taxes and small government so the private sector could grow the economy. I never knew I’d grow up to see the day “communist China” doing a better job of living up to these virtues than America. What is America today, a land of self entitled bitches who want somebody else to pay for their birth control.

A good argument can be made foreigners today do a better job of living their lives according to “traditional values”. I agree with you Eric there should be no shame in pursueing foreign women.

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AfOR June 26, 2012 at 03:25

124 comments and nobody gets it.

If you are a christian then you believe in christ, if you believe in christ then you believe in HIS teachings, if you believe in his teachings you believe in judgement day and heaven and hell.

with me so far?

If you EVER had an abortion, you are going straight to hell, end of……

simples

that ALONE will tell you all you need to know about wimminz and xhristians

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migu June 26, 2012 at 04:11

Woops. I believe its Proverbs 5 and 6 that teach game. Let not thy heart covet her beauty, be not caught with her winks.

There is nothing new under the sun.

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migu June 26, 2012 at 04:17

Wrong AfOR.

God decides, and he forgives. He died so when we do sin we aren’t doomed. That includes mortal sin.

Even manson could be in heaven.

It’s up to the individual to repent.

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Firepower June 26, 2012 at 05:54

Eric

If the churches want to survive, they need to start throwing women out of leadership positions as much as possible.

Finally, a mature, realistic solution I can easily foresee happening tomorrow! Like, if we want to fix education, schools need to start throwing out liberals and femenists! See how easy it is?

The Anglosphere is in trouble because its culture went wrong. The way to fix that is to infuse with it cultures that counter-act the poison

Yeah, like you said: The reason for America’s problems is – Calvinism and all those ghetto Swedish.

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td9red June 26, 2012 at 06:06

To some extent Christianity, at least the Catholic branch of Christianity, tries to make divorce more difficult. I’m not Catholic, but, I believe you have to go through a process wherein they try to determine that your marriage was not valid for some reason so that it can be anulled and you can remain a member of the church.

I don’t think religion can save marriage. Not sure what can save marriage. Though, I believe we need to do something to save marriage. Without it I think society will eventually fail. Some suggestions are: ending no-fault divorce; drastically limiting alimony to very short periods of time after long marriages, only (At least 10 years); I think children must be supported by their parents, so I am not in favor of ending child support. I think the answer to child support is 50/50 custody. After a divorce property obtained during the marriage should be sold and split 50/50, no one gets to keep the house. As for welfare, I think people who earn under a certain level should be entitled to welfare for 2yrs even if there is a man living in the home. Welfare often splits up families b/c women can’t get it if there is a man in the home. No additional welfare should be given for having numerous children. There should be mandatory counseling and a 1 year wait before a couples can divorce. Possibly, there should be some type of 3yr continuing marriage education requirement for married couples wherein the couple would have to submit to some type of counseling every 3yrs to see how things are going and what problems they are having. I suggest this b/c someone on Reddit, maybe 1 month ago had posted some statistics demonstrating that prior to no-fault divorce there was a much higher suicide rate among married women. So possibly counseling could get to the root of whatever caused those higher rates.

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freebird June 26, 2012 at 06:34

To all readers:
Please note the trolling tactics, first avocation of violence,next post was a shaming of MGTOW in relations to sodomy.

The avocation of violence could lead the unaware into responding.
Quote-
“Defeatist MGTOWs make me sick.

It would be more honorable to die on one’s feet, then to give up and go live under a bridge.”

Beware the troll bait,it is tainted.
As far as Jennifer making up allegedly biblical BS out of whole cloth,not worth debating.I could type for hours to correct her and all she would do is laugh because she’s derailed the topic and wasted my time.

Answer to the original topic
Christian courts could and should be like the shariah )sp?) muslim courts, and entity unto themselves.

As for the Amish expelling the heretics, good on them,they are aware that there is no way to correct them,and no other way to protect the rest from corruption.

Roughly quoted
“Put these thing away from you and the evil will cease to happen.”

“Be a people set aside.”

Can’t argue with success!

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Charles Martel June 26, 2012 at 06:51

TFH
Very similar to Avenger, I must say….

Avenger was reincarnated as The Whammer. Took less than five minutes for his compulsion to denigrate everyone as boys, losers and Omegas to get the better of him. Looks like The Whammer has now joined Avenger.

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Migu June 26, 2012 at 07:41

You’re also telegraphing the fact that you’re unsuccessful with women.

Come on,

Nobody can ever know this based upon a writing style. I get a little flaming here and there, but that is kind of low. The best you can do is ask, and then believe or not believe the man.

I don’t use game or some frigging magical formula. I talk to women, some like me, others hate me, and others could care less about me. So what? There are about 4.5 billion of them. I’ll keep company with those who like me.

The laws piss me off though, and especially the wicked witches who use them for evil.

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Darryl X June 26, 2012 at 07:43

Most of our churches and faiths and religions have been corrupted by feminism. Women have been granted authority in congregations and church higherarchy which the Bible and other religious texts discourage. First step in discouraging divorce among Christians is to get women out of church higherarchy. There are important reasons they are prohibited in the first place. I strongly promote expulsion from churches of women who divorce. Since our marriage contracts are worthless in the eyes of the law, then at least they can be promoted in the church. Churches need to condemn “silly” women and punish their crimes. Fundamentals of Christianity must be reintroduced to our churches and our religious leaders need to stop pandering to women. That’s the same thing as evil men who manipulate “silly” women and “silly” women who allow themselves to be manipulated by evil men. A husband must submit (again) to God and his wife must submit to her husband and to God. There are important and practical reasons these rules were created. Mostly to prevent a woman’s malignant narcissism from corrupting her family and then society.

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Darryl X June 26, 2012 at 07:45

@ Migu -

“There are about 4.5 billion of them.”

OMG. Don’t make it worse than it is – LOL. There are only a little more than 3.5-billion of them.

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Mr. J June 26, 2012 at 07:47

All these words.

Just sum it up and be done.. Most men have had their head up their @SS for 50 years……….The long and the short of it.

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ahamkara June 26, 2012 at 07:50

While we’re waiting for the cultural sea change to take hold, I think the only way for a man to be prepared is to have a war chest for legal defense and make sure she knows you’re willing to use it. If she knows there’s a scorched earth legal battle in store for her if she tries to abuse the system, she will think twice about doing it.

If she’s willing to leave without taking the kids and your salary, then I see no reason why she should be shunned from the community. Who wants a wife around who doesn’t want to be there? Let her go have her fun. It’s when she tries to take your life with her, that’s the problem.

My personal contribution to the cultural change is that whenever I encounter a divorced woman who starts talking shit about her ex, I tease the story out until the contradictions come out. I let the woman do her mental gymnastics of convincing herself she was the victim, usually in front of a crowd of people. The stories never hold water.

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Darryl X June 26, 2012 at 07:57

@ Eric & Ode -

I don’t think there is anything wrong with pursuing foreign women. I just don’t think they are all that much better than American women (or whatever country to happen to be from). Women are women no matter where you go. They are vulnerable to the same behavior. The cultures of some countries do a better job than others at discouraging those behaviors. I do not believe a country or a government can discourage those behaviors better than the Church. (And I don’t think the Church has done such a great job.) As soon as a woman has an opportunity to screw over a man, she’s gonna do it. The solution isn’t finding the “right” woman because there isn’t one. They’re all nuts. The solution is creating an environment or culture which discourages and punishes her misbehavior. I agree that there are some countries which do a better job at that that others and those differences are fundamental to a country’s persistence and sovereignty. Women are inherently immoral. Their environment isn’t.

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universe June 26, 2012 at 07:58

TFH June 25, 2012 at 17:33
Rather, democracy is what destroys marriage, over 6-10 decades.

This is because women ruthlessly organize to redefine every detail of the contract in their favor. Women are very focused around this goal.

Men are usually to clueless to even know this is happening, let alone oppose it.

– There’s nothing stopping the legions of men aggrieved by ‘democracy’ to sensibly organize for their own well-being. There’s no shortage of sensible in one (this) blog for and about men.
The will among the common man or those ahead of the curve to interject into the state ‘system’ has not surfaced. The conditions imposed upon adult and under aged males apparently aren’t that stringent enough yet for involvement. We’re not hampered by the burden of Sisyphus here.
All the blog commenting might filter up to policy makers and representatives, giving them a sense of guaranteed electoral support, but without required door knocking the key to the lock remains in the hands of others.

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Darryl X June 26, 2012 at 08:00

@ Jfinn -

“I don’t care about lowering the divorce rate nearly as much as I care about making divorces fair. Though I suspect the latter would greatly improve the former.”

Yeah, I don’t care if a woman wants to leave me. That’s her stupid business and it’s I’m not going to waste my time trying to compel her to behave responsibly. Especially in a culture like ours which encourages and enables and rewards her irresponsible behavior. BUT when she divorces, she shouldn’t get the kids, a property settlement, child support or alimony. She should be left to her own devices. The marriage “contract” should be upheld by the law and the woman who breaks that contract should not be rewarded for breaking it but punished. And punished severely.

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Charles Martel June 26, 2012 at 08:06

Migu
Nobody can ever know this based upon a writing style. I get a little flaming here and there, but that is kind of low. The best you can do is ask, and then believe or not believe the man.

Game is just applied psychology. Its effectiveness depends on who’s applying it, but it’s silly to deny that presenting yourself to women in a way that’s more attractive to them will not….make you more attractive.

Denying the reality of something that’s obviously and self-evidently true is not masculine.

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keyster June 26, 2012 at 08:07

There should be mandatory counseling and a 1 year wait before a couples can divorce.

This has been proposed numerous times in several state legislations, only to be voted down by Democrat state senators. They start in about the woman’s “safety”, if it’s an “abusive relationship”, she’s in “danger”, etc. and so on. Making it harder to get a divorce is deemed oppressive to women in the liberal mindset.

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Migu June 26, 2012 at 08:16

Game is just applied psychology. Its effectiveness depends on who’s applying it, but it’s silly to deny that presenting yourself to women in a way that’s more attractive to them will not….make you more attractive.

I never denied that. Are we having dialogue or is this a rhetorical game?

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greyghost June 26, 2012 at 08:17

The laws piss me off though, and especially the wicked witches who use them for evil.

Migu that is all the really matters. The laws of misandry.

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greyghost June 26, 2012 at 08:23

keyster
That couseling should just be manditory for men. “game” and family law and it’s application should be a class in boot camp for all recruites male and for fairness have females take the same class if they bitch too much. Home economics in high school was a chick calss when I was in high school. It would be nice to have a home economics male class with a review of the laws of misandry. Game, family law and criminal law application by gender. (pussy pass)

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Maloup June 26, 2012 at 08:23

Wow, talk about serendipity. The books I’m reading right now are “The Amish Life” by John Andrew Hostetler and “Plain secrets – an outsider among the Amish” by Joe Mackall. I highly recommend both, they’re a great read.

Want to be like the Amish without being as strict? First of all, move to a society where certain traditions are upheld and respected, and STAY THERE. The last point is crucial, because women are extremely social, communal creatures and adapt to environments quickly, so you move them to America or “the liberal West”, wherever that is, and they’ll quickly absorb its values.

This happens to Amish women as well, those who decide to leave not only become English (the Amish word for any outsider) very quickly, but very often take it to the extreme. Let me quote a passage from “Plain Secrets”:

‘One ex-Amish girl [who left] wrote a list of all the things she wanted to accomplish now that she was no longer Amish. The items on her to-do list included “have sex with a dozen different guys,” “kiss a nonwhite guy and then have sex with him,” “shoplift,” “make out with a married guy,” “make out with a divorced guy,” “get pregnant,” “drink and drive,” “do drugs,” “beat up a girl,” “lose twenty- five
pounds,” and “try to commit suicide.”’

Well, how about that? There’s no mention of this kind of behavior from apostate Amish boys in the book. In fact, they’re invariably described as hard workers, humble, eager to learn. (The book reads pretty much like a dispassionate documentary, there’s no agenda.)

Bottom line, choose her wisely, and keep her where she is. If she doesn’t speak English or your native language, learn HER language, not the other way round. If she’s used to housework, don’t hire her a maid. Don’t put her on a pedestal. The less she’s exposed to certain values, the better. The Amish community works so well because they live in their own world, where they make their own rules and control the spread of information. No Western media whatsoever.

Now, allow me some asides.

Giving a woman total freedom is like giving kids all the candy they want. Their brain – the human brain – is not used to processing such high amounts of sugar and fats at once, so it goes haywire. They get addicted, behave irrationally, and then rationalize their behavior.

Women, like kids, tend to behave only when they have clear boundaries and a clear, stable force in their life. If society, family, and husband work in unison, she’ll stay put.

Where divorce is frowned upon and considered shameful, women don’t do it because they don’t want to lose face or be shunned, which is like a death sentence to them. Also, women past-30 used to know they were over the hill. If you married very young and you stayed together until 30/35, chances were it was really forever. Women knew they couldn’t easily “trade up” because divorcees were almost untouchables (with reason: if she did it once, she could do it twice) and men preferred young women (oh, such lechers!). Men who left their women were frowned upon as well. You wanted someone young, you had a mistress on the side, and everyone looked the other way, wife included, as long as the family unit remained intact.

Social boundary.

This boundary in the West is gone and its remains are used as a memento, much like the Berlin Wall. Divorcees are celebrated as people who had the “courage” to shed antiquated social mores, give the finger to the Bad & Mean Man and “find themselves”. Hooray, you go girl!

If she doesn’t (or can’t) work or can’t afford a divorce for whatever reason, she won’t leave her husband even if he is a veritable scumbag. You see this often in slums and third world countries. She – and her children – won’t survive and she knows that instinctively.

Economic boundary.

This boundary is gone because of the welfare state replacing the husbands as providers and protectors, through state payouts, alimony, court and police protection.

Bottom line, find a society with clear boundaries and social roles, move there, be happy.

Or, you know, just do your own thing and be happy.

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UK Fred June 26, 2012 at 08:26

td9red
If you want to make divorces fair, then get rid of no-fault divorce. This abomination is the ‘divorce for any reason’ of our time. Insist that there must be either adultery, assault or abandonment and let the guilty party keep not more than 10% of the joint assets at the time of divorce with neither alimony nor child support unless the innocent party is the one who has given up work to look after the children. In cases were both are guilty of offences against the marriage, let the state keep 80% of the joint assets at the time of the divorce. That will cut the divorce rate by concentrating the mind on the pocketbook. There will then be no economic incentive to divorce, unlike now.

But it all hinges on getting rid of no-fault divorce.

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UK Fred June 26, 2012 at 08:30

Keyster, how do you think mandatory counselling will work.

Many counsellors act as if all men ought to be supplicating betas when we all know that the woman wants a badboy alpha for a thrill. Sometimes counselling will be the kiss of death to a marriage, not a means of saving it from the divorce court.

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Darryl X June 26, 2012 at 08:32

@ Jennifer -

After reading some of your posts, I’m not sure where you stand on marriage. I don’t disagree with some of what you’ve written but some of it seems a bit judgmental or irrelevant and not consistent with scripture and not even practical or common sense.

There are seldom good reasons for a wife to divorce her husband (or vice versa). Look at all the suffering Jesus Christ endured for the sins of others and he still gave up his life for us.

Husbands make tremendous sacrifices for their wives in marriage. I don’t think most men expect their wives to be perfect by any stretch of the imagination and they are extremely forgiving.

Most wives on the other hand are extremely intolerant of the most trivial offenses or even perceived offenses or innocuous behavior by a their husbands.

Do you agree that most divorces today (more than 75% initiated by women – and probably a lot more than that) initiated by women are wrong?

And what would you advise a woman who is contemplating a divorce because she disagrees with how her husband is managing their finances or because she feels he has abused her (and likely he hasn’t but she has – usually she’s projecting her own perceptions and offenses on him)?

A marriage is not an equal partnership. The husband is in charge and both the husband and the wife are beholden to God. If women adopted this philosophy which is spelled out very clearly in the Bible, the incidence of divorce would drop from almost 60% of marriages in the US to around 7%.

Most divorces are unilateral and malicious and initiated by the wife for no legitimate or practical or spiritual reason. They divorce for greed and adultery. Real domestic violence and child abuse by men is extremely rare. Women are responsible for most of it but you don’t see husbands divorcing their wives in droves over it.

What other legitimate, practical or spiritual reasons are there to divorce. Women today lack the ability to forgive because they are so obsessed with themselves that they can’t see past their own motives for doing anything, let alone participating in and contributing to a marriage.

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greyghost June 26, 2012 at 08:37

Keyster, how do you think mandatory counselling will work

I’ll answer that . It should not be couselling on relationships the guy already has pussy that wants to marry him. It should be on Game (female relationship psychology) and family law and its application. Do you think half the mutha fucka’s here would have gotten married after that class.

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dhanu June 26, 2012 at 08:45

OT: London’s Big Ben renamed Elizabeth Tower: http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/news/londons-big-ben-renamed-elizabeth-tower-124855042.html

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Days of Broken Arrows June 26, 2012 at 08:51

Mrs. Sandusky stood by her man, so my feeling is that if you want to avoid divorce as a guy, you need to be some sort of bad boy, whether it’s a child molestor or whatever.

No intent to be funny here — I mean that.

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Darryl X June 26, 2012 at 09:08

@ keyster -

“This has been proposed numerous times in several state legislations, only to be voted down by Democrat state senators. They start in about the woman’s “safety”, if it’s an “abusive relationship”, she’s in “danger”, etc. and so on. Making it harder to get a divorce is deemed oppressive to women in the liberal mindset.”

All counseling is worthless. Counselors (marriage counselors, social workers, pysychologists) pander to women because there is no money to be made by acknowledging that a woman is wrong but in condemning the man. If they did condemn the woman, she wouldn’t go back because the counselor isn’t acquiescing to the manipulation of the counselor by her with the public spectacle of her chronic victimhood. There is only money to be made by the counselor if he sides with the woman and condemns the man who hasn’t done anything wrong. Counseling is a scam and part of the Divorce Industry. Most couples who pursue counseling get divorced. That’s because the woman isn’t going to counseling to help her marriage or acknowledge any wrong-doing on her part. She’s going to get “professional” support for her decision to divorce which she has already made up her mind about.

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keyster June 26, 2012 at 09:20

Most couples who pursue counseling get divorced. That’s because the woman isn’t going to counseling to help her marriage or acknowledge any wrong-doing on her part. She’s going to get “professional” support for her decision to divorce which she has already made up her mind about.

I agree. It was a naive attempt by certian SoCon type Republican legislators to save marriage or prevent divorce. At least it was SOMETHING, someone tried to do. The guiding principle was that if you make it harder to get a divorce, more men (and women) would think twice before getting married in the first place.

You’d think this would be MRA positive, but then so little is other than complete gender seperatism, so I’m not surprised.

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Eric June 26, 2012 at 09:26

Darryl X;
‘The solution is creating an environment or culture which punishes her misbehavior.’

That’s true, but recall that women are by nature more influenced by environment than men and some have theorized that women are primarily ‘herd animals’. Women who are educated in a non-feminist environment are less likely to go bad since they’ve been conditioned against feminism since childhood. The reverse is true with women from our culture.

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Eric June 26, 2012 at 09:36

Martel:
‘Denying the reality of something that is self-evident is not masculine.’

This is one problem I have with Game—it most certainly NOT self-evidently true. Yes, if you present yourself in a way that’s attractive to women, you will get women. That’s obvious—but at what price?

We see that women’s warped values in feminist cultures attracts them to inferior and dysfunctional males. That hardly means that Game works—unless a man is willing to lower himself to the level of a thug and attract women according to the rules of Slut Culture.

Another problem is that Game pedestalizes women by acknowledging them as the ‘owners’ of sex and reproduction. Notice how THF went green with jealous rage when I pointed out that dysfunctional thugs like Desmond Hatchett showed far better ‘Game’ than he did. That’s because his self-worth is wrapped up in female approval; the same with most Gamesters.

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Huck Finn June 26, 2012 at 09:39

Even though the Orthodox Jews and Muslims require the husband’s approval for a religious divorce that does not mean in practice the local communities don’t rally around and support the wife in a white knight fashion whether she is still living with her husband or physically separate.

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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) June 26, 2012 at 10:33

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1. deconstruct the great books on univeristy campuses
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6. tell men they need to man up
7. send men to die on foreign shores in foreign neoocn wars
8. tell men they need to man up
9. drug boys with ritalin/adderoll for being boys
10. tell men they need to man up
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12. tell men they need to man up
13. destroy the classical, heroic character in their neocon movies, replacing them with asscocking gay cowboys
14. tell men they need to man up
15. print money from thin air and inflate and dlate bubbes to seize a man’s home and property
16. tell men they need to man up
17. enocurage women to become fat, whiney bitches
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20. tell men they need to man up
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22. tell men they need to man up
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24. tell men they need to man up
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Anonymous age 70 June 26, 2012 at 10:45

>>churches would have to treat divorced men the same as divorced women.

Alleluia. That is all we have ever asked for. When women get everything, and men get s**t, here comes Jennifer worrying about women not getting treated fairly. Go pound sand, Jennifer.

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Huck Finn June 26, 2012 at 10:47

“The Old Testament understood human sexuality quite well.
When women talk, they lead men astray… the Bible indicates this clearly, and repeatedly.
Women should not speak of the Bible – it is commanded, quite clearly, because they obfuscate all manners of Absolute Truth.
When Christianity regains its foothold, it will likely be by rejecting the words of women and telling them to once again remain silent, so that the men can think.”

Rob,

I’m Jewish and I look forward to the day when Christianity regains its foothold. We all need it to be so. Your words and insights are full of Truth and Wisdom. It is unfortunate that those in Jewish religious and political leadership positions, especially in the West, are usually white-knights and manginas. It’s one of many reasons why I’m not affiliated with any religious or political group.

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td9red June 26, 2012 at 10:55

@UK Fred

“In cases were both are guilty of offences against the marriage, let the state keep 80% of the joint assets at the time of the divorce.”

I’m not in favor of giving the State anymore of anything. No way…. How about putting everything in their kids’ names?

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Charles Martel June 26, 2012 at 10:58

Eric
This is one problem I have with Game—it most certainly NOT self-evidently true. Yes, if you present yourself in a way that’s attractive to women, you will get women. That’s obvious—but at what price?

Get women? It’s not about “getting” women. The manosphere, led by Roissy I would say, has handed you a great gift. An understanding of female psychology and the keys to female attraction. What you do with that knowledge is up to you. You’ve interpreted game in the most simplistic way – funny hats and picking up bar skanks. But game is just as effective on women who aren’t bar skanks, because game will help you avoid the behaviors that turn women, all women, off. You’re the same person, your integrity has not been compromised, but you present yourself in a slightly different way.

We see that women’s warped values in feminist cultures attracts them to inferior and dysfunctional males. That hardly means that Game works—unless a man is willing to lower himself to the level of a thug and attract women according to the rules of Slut Culture.

The thug meme is overplayed in my opinion. Using game does not require becoming a thug or even imitating one. Where did you get these ideas? To be honest you’re so irrationally anti-game it creates the impression you’re a disgruntled customer.

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Charles Martel June 26, 2012 at 11:15

Eric
Notice how THF went green with jealous rage when I pointed out that dysfunctional thugs like Desmond Hatchett showed far better ‘Game’ than he did. That’s because his self-worth is wrapped up in female approval; the same with most Gamesters.

That’s all in your head. It’s pretty clear to me that THF has a lot on the ball. Reading between the lines he’s a West coast engineer now working in financial services or venture capital or similar. Probably has a seriously high net worth. Has probably also experienced some abuse at the hands of women and has decided to change the way he plays that particular game. That’s all.

One more thing. You can deny your desire for female validation all you like, but as (straight) men we all have it. Our desire for female validation is why we’re here, because of the rage and frustration at having our hard-wired behaviors viciously and cynically used against us. How simple life would be if we could serenely and genuinely tell them all to go fuck themselves as our gay brothers can if they so wish.

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Darryl X June 26, 2012 at 11:18

@ UK Fred -

“If you want to make divorces fair, then get rid of no-fault divorce.”

New York State does not have “no-fault” divorce. The incidence of divorce in New York State is not different statistically from any other state. In fact, because “fault” is required, all divorces which are initiated by the wives involve false allegations of domestic violence and/or child abuse against the man even when she is the one who is responsible for the domestic violence and/or child abuse. So incidence of false allegations are greater in New York State than in other states. So fault in divorce is no solution to the problem and actually increases acrimony and encourages false allegations. Not that it isn’t bad enough already in other states as women attempt to gain advantage in divorce and custody. Feminists have gotten such a stranglehold on our machines of law and governement and society and finance that “no-fault” divorce has had no influence on the outcome for men. It’s the same with or without “no-fault” divorce.

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Eric June 26, 2012 at 11:48

Martel:
I’ve never denied that most of us are INCEL. But why should we reward Anglo-American women with sex and validate them as the owners of sex? This is why I advocate pursuing foreign women. They’re taught to value decent men and reject thugs, unlike their American counterparts.

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uk Fred June 26, 2012 at 13:56

@tg9red

I don’t really want to see any more than necessary go to the state, but I see ths confiscatory measure as a means of encouraging both parties in married couples to stay within the rules for marriage.

@DarrylX
Please note that I stated that assault had to be a case, not cruelty. Assault would have to be defined as physical attack causing actual physical damage to the assaulted party that has been proven ina criminal court. I have not stated that child abuse is a ground for divorce. It would be grounds for taking a child into foster care, but not for divorce. False allegations should lead to any putative divorcee being treated as a guilty party for the division of assets, irrespective of the other party’s situation.

I have a friend who suffered from partner violence. His ex-wife did various nasty things to him. The police failed to take him seriously until he had been admitted to hospital and the hospital made a report that he had suffered a non-accidental injury, and only then did his ex-wife have any consequences to deal with. If there is no injury that is seen by a third party, or assault witnessed by a third party, then there is no grounds for divorce for cruelty. We have a mountain to climb to overcome the perception that partner violence is pretty well symmetrical. See Strauss and Scott for the statistics on symmetry of partner violence.

Yes, I know it is an innocent party’s Utopia, but that is the only way that divorce rates will fall.

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anonymous June 26, 2012 at 14:10

“No-fault” divorce means “His-fault” divorce, as someone once said.

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TFH June 26, 2012 at 15:39

Eric,

This is why I advocate pursuing foreign women.

By that logic, your should be a huge fan of the PUA Roosh.

He has devoted his career to helping Anglosphere men bed foreign women in South America and Eastern Europe.

Where on earth did you get the ridiculously uninformed belief that Game was only applicable to American women?

You should be the biggest fan of the PUA known as Roosh.

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TFH June 26, 2012 at 15:42

Eric,

Notice how THF went green with jealous rage

Projection. Pure projection.

You are the one in a ‘jealous rage’ against anyone with Game.

Plus, I often say that anyone who makes a waaaaay off-base accusation/assessment of another, is engaging in projection.

You have displayed textbook projection, which goes well with your incoherent and illogical points.

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TFH June 26, 2012 at 15:45

Charles Martel,

Great comments by you.

Poor Eric doesn’t quite know what he is arguing against.

He says “avoid American women, go for foreign women”. OK. But how is that an argument against Game? He is in fact making a huge argument in favor of Krauser, Roosh, etc.

To be honest you’re so irrationally anti-game it creates the impression you’re a disgruntled customer.

Probably true about Eric. He got duped into paying for a seminar (not necessary at all to learn Game), and now wants to invest years of time into attempting to say Game does not work, endlessly revealing that he does not know what Game is.

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Sun June 26, 2012 at 16:08

@ UK Fred

“But it all hinges on getting rid of no-fault divorce.”

Not really. There is no going back. The culture, values, and essence of both men and women is very different now then from the past.

Most men do not want to go back as they can now have sex with as many women as he fancies without society holding in a single monogamous relationship (which is good and bad depending on how you like at it). We value our individual wants before anything else.

In most places, except a few enclaves, marriage is a dead tree that still has its green leaves.

There is no going back.

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Darryl X June 26, 2012 at 17:01

@ UK Fred -

Thanks, UK. Yup. I’m familiar with Strauss’s work. Another good source for data on domestic violence or intimate partner violence is Daniel Whitaker (formerly a scientist with the CDC).

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dhanu June 26, 2012 at 17:46

@THF There’s some misunderstanding here, I feel. When Eric talks of pursuing foreign women, that means choosing women who like you for what you are, and not an artificial avatar of you or a particular stylish representation of you. That is the whole point of choosing the foreign women; because otherwise, as you say, the Game can be used for luring the local women too, so why take the trouble of visiting a foreign country, learning its language and culture, etc etc? The whole reason is feeling yourself acceptable in just the way you are, without changing yourself. That’s why there arises the point that the Game is nothing but a means of learning how to change yourself to appeal to the women, like a dog training wherein a ‘good’ dog learns how to be acceptable in a home.

The above is what I personally feel Eric wishes to convey. Personally, I feel that there’s no need to impose the superiority of any of the two ways, Game and non-Game. One can use whatever one prefers as long as the both accomplish the respective goals. The goal for the Game is enabling one to understand women and behave in ways that keep her happy and satisfied. The goal for the other way is making one feel acceptable on one’s natural merits without any learned tricks and applied changes. Any one would work, depending on whether you already feel yourself to be good enough or need to learn the Game to be good enough or making yourself better and more presentable.

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My Cunt Is Wet With Fear June 26, 2012 at 18:27

“Marriage is a foolish proposition for men considering marriage with 70% of American women.” On the optimistic side, IMO. Never seen this site before. Interesting stats. http://dalrock.wordpress.com/

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TFH June 26, 2012 at 18:46

dhanu,

that means choosing women who like you for what you are, and not an artificial avatar of you or a particular stylish representation of you.

Game is not about misrepresentation at all. It is about making yourself better. One can no more oppose Game than they can oppose basic social skills.

Plus, Game enables one to do well with foreign women too.

Those who don’t grasp these two points don’t know what Game is… Eric’s repeated blatherings reveal an extreme lack of not just knowledge, but even curiosity.

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Eric June 26, 2012 at 19:02

dhanu:
Yes, that’s the point. I’ve never needed ‘Game’ or any of that other PUA schmaltz to meet non-American women. You can just be yourself around them. There’s no ‘magic formula’ needed. You keep a woman happy by giving her something in return and vice-versa. A life of continual manipulation has to be a living hell—and besides, because our culture already favors the females they end up out-gaming the men every time.

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Eric June 26, 2012 at 19:09

TFH:
I have never attended Game seminars. If I had, I would ‘understand Game’ now wouldn’t I? As far as Krauser and Roosh go, why would anyone need to expat to chase sluts? There are plenty of them here in my own neighborhood, if I wanted them.

‘Projection. Pure projection.’

According to Martel, you sound very much like an successful high-level Alpha. I would think, according to Roissy, you should be a lot more successful with the ‘babes’ than some bozo like Desmond Hatchett who seems to get laid at will without all the effort.

That really gets to you Gamesters, doesn’t it? All that technique and personal cultivation to impress the ‘fair sex’ and random street-bums trump all your efforts? Oh well…

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Sun June 26, 2012 at 20:23

“Most couples who pursue counseling get divorced. That’s because the woman isn’t going to counseling to help her marriage or acknowledge any wrong-doing on her part. She’s going to get “professional” support for her decision to divorce which she has already made up her mind about.”

No. They haven’t made their minds up but they want someone to affirm to themselves subconsciously that they’re are right and tell the other person that they are wrong.

Usually men don’t go to counseling because usually they either 1) don’t want to talk about it for the sake of talking about it 2) talking about it won’t solve the specific problem at hand or it can make it worse 3) the counseling isn’t for helping the marriage succeed but rather for the wife to prove to the counselor that he is fucked up/retarded/psyched out and the she is innocent and has done no wrong.

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Gil Ronen June 26, 2012 at 20:30

“There is no precedent in ancient Hebrew, Greek or Roman law for women to divorce their husbands… Even today, Orthodox Jews do not allow it.”

Not true. According to Jewish Law woman may sue for divorce on a variety of grounds.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/560111/jewish/The-Wifes-Grounds-for-Divorce.htm

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Rob June 26, 2012 at 20:37

“Projection. Pure projection.

You are the one in a ‘jealous rage’ against anyone with Game.

Plus, I often say that anyone who makes a waaaaay off-base accusation/assessment of another, is engaging in projection.

You have displayed textbook projection, which goes well with your incoherent and illogical points.” – TFH

Ah, The Prophet speaks again. A “TFH Maxim” no doubt. From the guy who is angry at the MRM for not “doing anything but writing” and yet has found little success except in writing ONE article. Just ONE article that got hundreds of thousands of hits, and then trumped his own failed stinky note campaign in spades, and yet, everyone who writes is just a loser… isn’t that how you showed up in the MRM? Only you and Paul Elam are “real” activists? Angry Harry is not though? Yet, Paul Elam calls him the father of the MRM. And you chased him off! And really, what DO you do except for troll MRM sites while citing your maxims? Do you do much else except that which you criticize?

You know, you say this over and over again… yet, you never apply it to yourself.

When anyone make WAY off base accusations, it is usually based on projection… what is that? TFH’s Maxim #14? (Um, a little bit of Roissy worship here?)

How’s converting that Carpe Diem blog coming about, TFH? Or were you just here shouting out orders again, telling everyone that things aren’t up to your standards so they should hop to the General’s orders?

Getting tired of the Prophet. And since this is a thread about Christianity, it would also be wise to point out that the Bible specifically condemns false prophets and advises against listening to their counsel.

Yes, TFH, game is real. But it is not some kind of magic. “Game” has been acknowledged since the Old Testament. Grow up and humble your great self by a few notches.

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Charles Martel June 26, 2012 at 20:38

Eric
You keep a woman happy by giving her something in return and vice-versa. A life of continual manipulation has to be a living hell—and besides, because our culture already favors the females they end up out-gaming the men every time.

You make a great point. A marriage or LTR where you can not be yourself is stressful. Who needs that? The married home is supposed to be a safe haven from the stresses of the workplace. LOL.

I think that long term a reasonable application of game is just to avoid certain overtly beta behaviors. That’s not too hard.

You and TFH should declare a truce.

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Rob June 26, 2012 at 21:02
W.F. Price June 26, 2012 at 21:34

“There is no precedent in ancient Hebrew, Greek or Roman law for women to divorce their husbands… Even today, Orthodox Jews do not allow it.”

Not true. According to Jewish Law woman may sue for divorce on a variety of grounds.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/560111/jewish/The-Wifes-Grounds-for-Divorce.htm

-Gil Ronen

That’s Chabad you’re quoting…

shmiggen June 26, 2012 at 22:25

Welmer said,

I don’t know why women think it qualifies a guy that he’s been married.

This itself is worthy of its own post/examination. There are women, perhaps ‘beta’ women, who feel men who haven’t been married are losers. I suppose they feel a man that has at least been married once has been ‘preselected’.

However, all of this hindbrain activity comes crashing to a halt when a passes the age of 40. She is no longer a ‘hot rockin hottie’ who drinks shots with the grrrrls on the weekends. Women come to their senses much too late in life.

So to re-cap: the young woman (girl) finds the never married man to be a loser. The older woman with the dessicated vagina and sagging breasts thinks the opposite. In other words, women are being led by their cunts all the way to single-mommyhood trash and/or spinsterhood.

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Gil Ronen June 27, 2012 at 00:41

“That’s Chabad you’re quoting…”

And? Chabad is a legitimate Orthodox Jewish stream. Jewish Law is Jewish Law, in any case, they are just quoting it.

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RHJunior June 27, 2012 at 00:44

Uh, no. Dead wrong on that. A woman who leaves her man *and remarries* is considered an adulteress.

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Firepower June 27, 2012 at 08:02

My Cunt Is Wet With Fear

On the optimistic side, IMO. Never seen this site before. Interesting stats.

I think you should honor dalrock for all he’s accomplished! And post on his site with that handle. The free speech about Paul’s views on hair length are a true inspiration to all the mrm.

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Matt June 27, 2012 at 09:54

I was married in a Catholic ceremony when I was 21, my “wife” left me for a BBD 3 months later. That was almost 30 years ago.

I have remarried to a wonderful woman from the P.I but our marriage is considered invalid because I never got a annulment. I was too angry and bitter at the world to deal with the issue at that time in my life. I was told by my parish priest, that i couldn’t receive communion or absolution because it could be considered a scandal. WTF? Kennedy, Kerry and Pelosi are not considered a public scandal, with the very public positions they hold, but my marriage is because I was abandoned 30 years ago?

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Migu June 27, 2012 at 10:02

Here is the Christian counterpart to chabad.

https://byustudies.byu.edu/showTitle.aspx?title=6154

This is the resurgence of western pantheism. This has played out before.

Here is an opposing view.

http://www.exmormon.org/mormwomn.htm

Theologically both are corruptions of Yawheh. This is also explained in exodus when Aaron bends to the populace and builds for them a golden calf to worship.

A secular, or as they term it allegorical interpretation could be this.

“Look not to others for your own succor.”

God never gives us anything. He shows us how to get it for ourselves. If you don’t believe in him, then just take the advice, “Only you can can provide your own succor”

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Firepower June 27, 2012 at 11:40

Matt

WTF? Kennedy, Kerry and Pelosi are not considered a public scandal, with the very public positions they hold, but my marriage is because I was abandoned 30 years ago?

Those Xtians – what hypocrites, right?

And: wtf is a bbd.

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Mikediver June 27, 2012 at 12:27

Paul’s views on hair length need to be taken in cultural context of the times. The reason he said that christian men should have short hair and christian women should have long hair was because, at that time in that area, men with long hair and women with short hair were prostitutes. The objective was to not subject the christian community to disrepute by looking like they were a bunch of hookers.

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Mikediver June 27, 2012 at 12:31

BBD = Bigger, Better, Deal

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TFH June 27, 2012 at 13:01

Rob,

As usual, you have said nothing useful, and are merely desperate for attention from me…

I see you were too afraid to address the legitimate criticisms in the Christian Men’s Defense Network blog, about how you don’t do any activism…

Why so afraid? Could it be….. that that is the truth?

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piercedhead June 27, 2012 at 18:29

“Game is not about misrepresentation at all. It is about making yourself better. One can no more oppose Game than they can oppose basic social skills.”

There’s a time, place and market for everything.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if for every guy who benefits from having game, there are 10 divorced guys whose greatest regret is that they hadn’t been a whole lot more socially awkward – at least to the point of being repellant to women.

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Rob June 27, 2012 at 18:45

Lol! TFH, you truly are the Don King of the MRM. I’ve never seen such shameless self-promotion for doing so little.

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Glenn June 27, 2012 at 19:50

I advise men to run, not walk, away from any female claiming to be “Christian”. The real Christian girls will not be open to discuss the topic with strangers, and more importantly they will live their lives as a testament and skip the whole talk-the-talk routine.

From what I see, “Christian” America females are every bit as likely to divorce as their openly secular counterparts. In fact, they might even grab a shotgun and blast you into kingdom-come after they fritter away your entire life savings in some Nigerian internet scam.

And finally, perhaps most tellingly, if there were any sizable group of “Christian” women left in America, they would have long, long, LONG ago formed up to defend their husbands, sons, and brothers from the ravages of militant feminism. Since I see no such action on their part, we men are free to do likewise.

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TFH June 27, 2012 at 22:15

Rob,

Didn’t you just recently beg that the trio of me, Boxer, and Oddsock “please just leave you alone.”?

You actually begged for mercy from us a month ago.

So you can’t really feign toughness now, after such a weak display…… think about it.

Plus, you still have to man up and address the fact that Christian Men’s Defense Network exposed your type as being incapable of activism. Your silence is effectively an admission that he is correct.

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Rob June 27, 2012 at 22:41

What are you talking about, fool?

You have STILL never answered me on if writing the Misandry Bubble has reached more men than your Stinky Note Campaign.

I don’t know who the Christian Blah Blah org is, nor do I care. I am MGTOW, fool. I care little about their rantings.

And, you’ve STILL never answered how posting stinky notes directing people to the very sites you claim are “nothing” but a proto-movement, makes you a real activist. So, the people writing the articles are “nothing” but you directing people to this “nothing” makes you better than the “nothings” you are criticizing.

You are a clown, TFH. You’ve done nothing but bark orders and claim your own “maxisms” while doing nothing more than be a loudmouth on the very sites’ comments you claimed were “nothing.”

You’re a fraud.

And an idiot.

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Rob June 27, 2012 at 22:44

Btw, how’s your converting that Carpe Diem blog coming about?

Like I said, you just bark orders.

Have you actually been working that blog?

Why don’t you answer MY questions, instead of always reframing the debate like a woman?

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Eric June 27, 2012 at 22:54

Rob;
Looking at the Christian Mangina Defense Network’s ‘refutation’ I don’t think you have much to worry about. It has lots of advice like not making Socon and Tradcon feminists angry and cites Socon White Knight David Horowitz as a leading inspiration.

It does however contain effusive praise for the Great Prophet and lauds the ‘successes’ (LOL) of the Toilet Bowl Poster Campaign. So that must be refutation enough…Ho Hum….

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TFH June 27, 2012 at 22:58

Rob,

Btw, how’s your converting that Carpe Diem blog coming about?

Quite well. More anti-feminist posts are showing up there. 3 in the last month, in fact.

See, unlike you, I actually do activism (and get results).

Now, I see you are too cowardly to admit that Christian Men’s Defense Network exposed you as being incapable of activism. More and more are noticing your failure and laziness. What will you do now?
_____________________________

P.S. Even since you begged me, Boxer, and Oddsock for mercy by saying “Please Leave Me Alone”……you can’t credibly act like a competent man again, ya know.

You are a very ill man, Rob. I suggest you focus on your health (physical and mental)…

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Eric June 27, 2012 at 23:01

Rob,

And out come the Shaming Tactics. Yeah—argues just like a woman. That’s why these Gamesters always get bested by the feminists LOL

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TFH June 27, 2012 at 23:25

Eric,

You’re pretty bitter that you got soundly whipped, eh?

Let me summarize what happened.

1) Eric picks a fight with TFH (June 25, 22:37).
2) Eric sides with a feminist troll to do so, showing he, like Rob, has no interest in Men’s Rights.
3) Eric gets swiftly disposed of by both TFH, and later Charles Martel, being reduced to a projecting, whining mass of humiliation.
4) Eric starts a process of spending the next two years attempting to pick drive-by fights, knowing he gets clobbered in any head-on debate (sounds pretty similar to Rob, eh?).

Sorry, Eric, you are just a disgruntled customer of Game, who is now bitter. Your frustration just seeps through…

You already got banned from Dalrock’s for being too much of a crybaby. I guess you are Rob’s soulmate.

So the two of you should formally align. That will be a hilarious duo of Dumb and Dumberer…..

But wait! Rob actually says Game does work. He was also fighting the woman Jennifer who you want to pedestalize and grovel to. What will you do now?
_______________________

tee hee….. I never witness such loserdom in real life. These comment threads with Rob and Eric are useful in reminding me how far down the lower bounds of human failure are…

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Eric June 27, 2012 at 23:46

THF:
Is this a specimen of the ‘cool serene seductive vibe’ that Gamecocks employ? LOL No wonder your ass gets owned by thugs like Desmond Hatchett when it comes to getting laid!

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Migu June 28, 2012 at 02:25

Proverbs 26:4-5

Answer not a fool according to his folly, Lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own conceit.

It’s Totally F***ing Hilarious how predictable this is.

You are a very ill man, Rob.

And now you’ve landed a cheap shot. This makes you fair game for anyone.

I suppose you have an M.D. in psychiatry? Or were you eluding to the fact that he is physically ill? You must be at least be a General Practitioner then, No? If you are my apologies, and I have a question.

Is there a new medical procedure that can accurately diagnose illness from the contents of a blog post comment thread? I’m not a doctor, but I would be interested in the lay version.

Nothing wrong with disagreement, try and refrain from the low blows, because look what happens. Absolutely nothing.

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Ginny July 7, 2012 at 07:23

What if her husband is abusive, as mine was? I didn’t divorce him for shallow reasons, I did it because I was no longer able to deal with the constant stream of verbal and mental abuse, repeated rape and his repeated attempts to sodomize me. I was in a christian marriage to a christian man, btw, but I was in the wrong for getting myself out of that situation?
If I had stayed, what kind of man would my son have been, seeing his father abuse his mother all the time?

In the end, I had to leave my religion in order to allow myself the freedom to leave my abusive marriage. It wasn’t the only thing that drove me away from christianity, but it definitely contributed.

Also, your history is off. Ancient Celtic tribes in Britain, Ireland, Scotland and Wales (which all used to be part of the same territory), not only treated women as equals and trained them as warriors alongside the men, a woman was allowed to seek a divorce. Division of property was split evenly and both parties were free to marry someone else. It didn’t happen often, but until christianity spread over Europe like the cancer it is, women were neither chattel nor penalized for seeking relief from a terrible marriage.

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sue October 20, 2013 at 11:54

Women are to be silent in the church. this is not church service, this is a blog. nice try anyway.

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Cintya Vasquez November 2, 2013 at 17:41

I am a Christian but I don’t know if I should get divorce

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Kristine December 28, 2013 at 13:28

I think you have no clue as to what really goes on. It is the woman who is impovrished not the man. Statistics support this! Do you think they get the kids and what the father pays in child support allows gym to live high on the hog?

Women who are in abusive relationships of whose husband has affairs are not adulteresses because they stand up for themselves.

It is statements like this that make make Christians look bad.

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Bass June 25, 2014 at 11:22

“There is no precedent in ancient Hebrew, Greek or Roman law for women to divorce their husbands. ”

Liar. All three of those cultures had (or have) provision for divorce.

What are you so bitter about?

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