The Romance of Masculinity… Or Why Real Men Don’t Ask for Directions … Or Read Instructions Manuals

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by Featured Guest on June 21, 2012

By Spartacus, The Goat

In the modern world all of our creature comforts have been taken care of… All of the challenges have been met. Essentially. (We only have yet to conquer our own human nature and inner selves. The biggest challenge we shall ever face, perhaps… A different essay.)

After millions of years of evolution, a real man still yearns for challenges, for the thrill of the hunt and the feel of warm blood on his hands. He wants to be pushed to his limits for something that he truly believes in and in concepts in which he truly has faith. He wants to feel threatened occasionally and feel the victory in having overcome the threat.

But let’s face it folks, there is little left to satisfy the modern caveman who harbors these feelings. While women may be content with a closet full of shoes and 10,000 Facebook friends, men yearn for something more… We cannot sit in a cubicle day after day and not lose our minds. Men are not meant to work in service jobs and behind a desk. We need to roam free and use our bodies as animals do.

Take the so-called controversy that women have created over men not wanting to ask for directions, nor read instructions.

You know why we don’t ask for directions nor read the instructions? It is because there is no fun in it. Nothing to challenge the still animal hunter caveman within. Where is the thrill of finding your destination, if the process is a foregone conclusion. What is the thrill of having put something together if you didn’t have to put any real effort into it?

Wouldn’t it be more fun just to wing it? Set your course by the Sun or the Stars? Or the compass? Isn’t it sometimes just more fun to throw a wrench into the works and see what happens? Putting things together, ofttimes for a man, it is more satisfying just to look at the parts, try to figure out their function and relationship to each other and then try to put the device together. IKEA is brilliant for women. For men, it is just another series of handcuffs preventing the caveman within from living a fulfilling life. Thanks, IKEA. (I have a complete set of metric hex keys because of you. I think hex keys actually outnumber humans at this point… Another essay…)

Otherwise, following instructions and asking for directions, modern life just sucks. For the caveman within it is a golden cage meant to protect but more oppressive than any other.

Note large animals in cages. They may live longer and healthier lives than their counterparts, but in their hearts they yearn to run free.

Think of lions, tigers and bears. Think of horses and elephants. Or think of the caged bird… Why does the caged bird sing? One reason is that it wants to get the heck out of the cage!

Otherwise, short of freedom, the caged animal develops crib habits. The horse gnaws at the fence posts surrounding him. The dog licks himself raw. The jaguar paces his cage incessantly until his paws are bleeding and torn… and yet he persists. That happy little bird eventually becomes a very angry little bird.

The big problem with the Industrial Revolution for me (and I imagine for many men) is that it killed craftsmanship. Every damn screw is exactly the same. (Which is fantastic in many ways, don’t get me wrong.) Everybody is just part of an assemblyline, a cog in the machine. Everything is laid out for the man. There is no challenge, no threat and ultimately no satisfaction in today’s modern job market for men.

So many of our products are dead as a result. There is so little art in industrial consumer society. It is all a thin pablum or little or no value or nutrition to the soul… as it is tasteless and cannot sustain one if one does not have the stomach to even consume it. So modern life is just a drag… what is the point of working so hard if at the end of the day, one continues to be dissatisfied?

Should one just plop down in front of the telescreen and drown himself in Victory Gin flavored with some insipid essence of cloves? What kind of a life is that? Sounds kind of Orwellian…

What kind of crib habits might result in men due to this situation? Drugs, alcoholism, excessive sexual promiscuity, gluttony, an obsession with money or pride or power or war??? Suicide? Homicide? Violence? A complete lack of inspiration and enthusiasm to the point of poor health habits and a slow and horrible, agonizing death? A death without glory? A spiritual sloth that is more consuming of a man than any funeral pyre could ever be?

Why is it we blame the animal for his crib habits when it is “civilization” itself that is responsible? Let the animal out of the cage already.

Can I not express this feeling I have of wanting to express the inner animal in me in even the least little way?

Or must I be forced to sit upon the toilet to pee, to please the one for whom this gilded cage was intended in the first place? …in order to please HER? Can I not just pee standing up as I once did as an animal? Can I no longer express the animal nature in myself that continues to exist after millions of years of evolution despite the last 10,000 years or so of “civilization”?

Would you prevent your dog from wagging his tail? What result would occur?

He would likely become a very unhappy dog in deed. Where is the justice in that?

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Firepower June 21, 2012 at 12:06

REAL Men must find practical, REAL Life solutions to the problems discussed on Spearhead EVERY day.

Not continue discussing them.
Price writes a story about a bridge needing building over a river. Instead of planning on how to actually build that bridge, all there is is endless discussion on how “they won’t let us build that bridge” or how difficult it will be to build that bridge.

If there is indeed, no grand craftsmanship left to challenge man – then the feminists have indeed won it all by proving to those boys still in the cradle that there is no more reason left to try – just continue playing on the PlayStation…

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Brigadon June 21, 2012 at 12:11

actually, I think the solution is sort of presenting iteself.

as you say, there’s no feeling, no craftsmanship, no flavor, no nutritional value.
The industrial revolution, like unions, has outlived it’s usefulness. we are living in a leninist dream of production, and yet…humans are not enslaved to the process of production.

modern industrialization has done what it set out to do… it has replaced the need, the necessity, for human labor. It has stopped the ‘living by the sweat of his brow’ factor of human existence.

The question is, “What is next?”

we are still encumbered by the demand that living by the sweat of our brow is the way to live. throwing that away has led to a culture of cube farms and makework for billions.

The fact is, that as human beings, we NEED that sense of accomplishment. So why don’t we, as a culture, start to embrace the idea of handicrafts again? sure, ikea can make minimal furniture for everyone, but wouldn’t you rather have a hand-carved ‘daddy chair’. let industrialization do what it does best, provide minimally for everyone, and then return to the idea that REAL products are created by people, not machines.

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Brigadon June 21, 2012 at 12:20

BTW, anyone know what the hell happened to in mala fide?

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 12:23

Good piece. Jack Donovan covers this topic in The Way of Men also.

“Until you can function as a competent member of the group and carry your own weight, you are a supplicant and a drag on the collective. A child is a child, but an incompetent adult is a beggar. One of the problems with massive welfare states is that they make children or beggars of us all, and as such are an affront and a barrier to adult masculinity. It has become clichéd comedy for men and women to laugh at men who are concerned with being competent. The “men refuse to stop and ask for directions” joke never seems to get old for women, who are more comfortable with dependence, or socialist types, because reducing men to a childlike state of supplication and submission to state bureaucrats is required for big-government welfare states to function. Masculine loathing of dependence is a bulwark to the therapeutic mother state.”

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meistergedanken June 21, 2012 at 12:26

“You know why we don’t ask for directions nor read the instructions? It is because there is no fun in it.”

I question this explanation. I think it is rather that men prefer to be self-reliant; women have no such desire – they would much rather be served. Men like to be independent – if you must rely upon others it means you are vulnerable – weak perhaps, in some sense. Deficient either in knowledge or ability, for example. And it is difficult to exhibit strength – or be percieved as doing so – if we expose our vulnerabilities. As men we must balance our desire self-reliance against the injuries that result from excessive pride in our own abilities.

“Everybody is just part of an assemblyline, a cog in the machine. ”

That’s right – and that’s the way the world needs to be. Unfortunately this realization is injurious to the egos of the bountiful crop of narcissists we have bred in modern times. How often have we raged against the “special snowflakes” that are so endemic to the female sex? To not embrace or at least acknowledge the validity of this state of affairs is therefore feminine. It is natural for men to form hierarchies where everyone knows their place and function – just throw in some competition too so merit is recognized and it’s all good (there is you challenge: to rise to the top of the ladder -, or at least the highest rung that the fulfillment of your talents will permit). It’s a waste of time and effort for us to constantly have to reinvent the wheel when engineers and scientists and inventors have already worked this stuff out and optimized the details. To think you can do it better than the thousand guys before you smacks of megomanical delusion.

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meistergedanken June 21, 2012 at 12:27

“BTW, anyone know what the hell happened to in mala fide?”

It imploded beneath the weight of its own toxic nihilism.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 12:30

I hear men sometimes say that technology will solve our problems. That genetic engineering and artificial wombs will somehow help men. This is absolutely not the case. Technology has harmed men on the whole thus far, and without limitations and control it can only continue to do the same. Modern medicine? Overall harmful to health, as pharmaceuticals and other modern treatments kill and maim more people than natural cures, which are more effective, would. Surgery? Helpful occasionally when it saves the life of someone that ought to be saved, but most of the time surgery just prolongs the death of someone who leeches from public support, or someone weak/dysfunctional who really shouldn’t have the opportunity to reproduce lest it make future generations weaker. And we do see that technology has increased the lifespan of the weak, the foolish, the evil – and the feminine idiocracy is the result.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 12:33

Industrial revolution, modern weaponry, the list goes on and in. Yes these technologies have allowed society to thrive in terms of quantity, but not in terms of quality, which is what men need. Our lives are boring, safe, with no real challenges.

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Matt June 21, 2012 at 12:34

We don’t ask for directions because we don’t have to.. We invented GPS!

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Gilgamesh June 21, 2012 at 12:35

So what’s your plan firepower?

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 12:46

And of course, the Internet. Terribly harmful overall. Yes, it has some minor benefit for the few men capable and willing to take the red pill, but few of these men are actually going to do anything with that information, and for those who don’t there is no net benefit. If men manage to take what they’ve learned from modernity and it apply it in the future, then perhaps the Internet’s effect will over be beneficial, but that’s a very big if. Overall, the Internet has caused widespread social disorders and dumbed down the masses even more. And it seems that soon the free exchange of ideas, the only reason the Internet has potential to be a good thing, will cease to exist due to government regulations.

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Anon June 21, 2012 at 12:53

Unfortunately, we are probably nearing the end of the easy times that have seen the rise of women. Women can only swim freely in the sheltered ponds that men have built for them. When the rest of the world finally shakes off the delusion of American superiority (faced with the evidence that our political system has become unworkable), and refuses to put its money in the US, you’re going to see a return to the dog-eat-dog world of our ancestors.

As thrilling as it is to be challenged in life, most of you are not going to like it. Look at photographs of men and women from the 19th century. Why aren’t they smiling? It’s because life is hard, and you could lose your job or your business or your farm and die destitute at any time.

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Born Free June 21, 2012 at 13:07

Why don’t men ask for directions? Because we actually do have a better sense of direction than women. It’s been proven by the studies of gender differences. Once I get the gist of where north, south, east and west are I don’t need to refer to them again. Women, on the other hand, need landmarks and sign-posts to find there way.

I’ve never needed to read the instructions to put together IKEA furniture, one can figure it out just by looking at the parts.

BTW, In Mala Fide is offline because Ferdinand Bardameu explained that he has taken a job offer overseas and no longer has the time for maintaining the website.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 13:12

It’s more likely they don’t have big grins on because they are humble, real people, unlike the modern day folks who are fake as hell. I assure you they were far more content than we are, as they were complete human beings.

I’d rather live a challenging life where I can breathe fresh air and feel grass under my feet. Any man would. Manginas, on the other hand, fear pain and death.

“The central theme of The Way of Men is the definition of masculinity not as an individual trait but a social one. Masculinity according to Donovan is a sense of being able to uphold one’s role in a tribe by virtue of the four cardinal abilities of a man, which are Strength, Courage, Mastery, and Honor. In his architectural description of these abilities, Donovan relates them to the ability of men to rely on each other in pursuit of the objectives that have been the traditional domain of men: hunting, defense, conquest and exploration. These are things men will live for, or die for, and it’s the latter that gives them the significance to convey meaning to life through them.”
http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2012/03/the-way-of-men-interviews-and-reviews-week-1/

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Mark Plus June 21, 2012 at 13:12

People mock the last century’s science fiction of the flying cars and jetpacks sort, and they now call it the paleofuture. My friends and I in the cryonics movement talk about this regularly, given that the real 21st Century so far doesn’t look look all that “futuristic,” especially compared to this cryonicist’s prediction of life in that mysterious, far-future year 2010:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/10948503/Up-Wing-Priorities

But at least this literature showed men who got off their asses and built or did stuff in the real world: moon bases, skyscraper cities, space colonies, planetary terraforming projects, starships and so forth. These doughty Future Men even got into hand-to-hand fights on occasion, and they sometimes worked with capable Future Women who could do the same, unlike the petty female specimens we meet in the real world. (Hell, Honor Harrington carries a reproduction .45 autopistol and can kick ass when necessary.)

Many of these science fiction writers in the last century just didn’t see guys in the real 21st Century sitting in their mancaves; watching sports, poker, action movies and porn on their TV’s, laptops or tablets; playing computer games; subsisting on pizza and beer, and then calling that a satisfactory life.

Awhile back I heard a venture capitalist complain about the lack of technological progress since the 1970′s, and he recommended that we go back to the science fiction of the 1950′s and early 1960′s as a source of blueprints for an alternative future based on big projects, and then try to start over and do it right this time. I’d like to see this alternative future include a revival in the masculine ethic of handiness and practical skills acquisition which we seem to have lost along the way. That doesn’t mean you have to abandon book learning, of course. You just need to restore more of a balance between hand work and mind work. Some of America’s action-hero presidents like George Washington and Theodore Roosevelt had libraries and expanded their horizons from reading, so the two worlds can work together.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 13:15

Inmalafide is offline because Ferdinand Bardamu was a charlatan without principles, who feared that the articles at his site would somehow offend the lady in his life he now pedestalizes, and therefore shut the whole thing down, without even the courtesy to leave other people’s articles in place. There is a site back up available as a torrent if you’re interested.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 13:17

@Mark You’ll find this book interesting, it covers technological stagnation:

After America: Get Ready for Armageddon: “Much of the West has given up on the future. We do not save, we do not produce, we do not reproduce.”

http://books.google.com/books?id=bSbgh4YN4dgC&lpg=PA25&ots=8aii7pw4Vo&dq=steyn%20%22after%20america%22%20drugs%20fda&pg=PA25#v=onepage&q&f=false

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 13:35

I’m really fucking tired of webmasters taking their fucking sites down by making them private, and providing no way at all for people who don’t already have their contact information to visit the site. e.g. http://revoltagainst.wordpress.com/

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 13:40

Spartacus,
Your article reminded me about these developments have impacted women. One of the reasons that Corporate America is a big promoter of feminism is because it markets products designed to ‘free’ women from domestic arts: cooking, sewing, &c. Then they run commercials for pre-packaged foods, microwave ovens, and all these ‘liberating’ products during daytime TV shows, where the ‘enslaved’ females listen to talk-shows and soap operas preaching to them about how stupid and evil men are, while they lay on the sofas getting fat.

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Tom936 June 21, 2012 at 13:42

You know why we don t ask for directions nor read the instructions? It is because there is no fun in it.

Maybe. But I say it’s because we aren’t lost. The woman sitting beside you may feel lost. Being a woman, she projects that you must be as lost as she is. And her natural response is the perennial female backup plan of asking a man for help.

But that’s her, not you. Why would you ask directions when you’re not lost?

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Firepower June 21, 2012 at 13:53

Eric

listen to talk-shows and soap operas preaching to them about how stupid and evil men are, while they lay on the sofas getting fat.

I want you to explain how that differs from men entertaining THEMSELVES – with bloggers preaching to them about how stupid and evil women are, while they lay on the sofas getting fat – playing PlayStation.

How is the mindless finger-pointing different.

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Little John June 21, 2012 at 14:01

Who says there are no more dragons to slay and adventures to be had? Defeating feminism and all the other evil manifestations of corporate/ socialist society are good places to start.

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freebird June 21, 2012 at 14:15

The best tools,appliances,and motor vehicles were made in the USA from 1950-1979.
Some of my greatest joy lies in repairing,restoring,making functional again, and restoring the beauty to these old devices.
When my hands re-work the surfaces of these old items I can feel the creative spirit of the men that created them.
Cue “Great White Buffalo”

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freebird June 21, 2012 at 14:21

Handcrafting and firing replicas of old blackpowder rifles is a real gas.
Really the Amish are ahead fo the times, what beauty I see in their functional families and tools.
Saw man pulling a plow with a 7 horse team,awesome!

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Firepower June 21, 2012 at 14:33

JeremiahMRA
…sites down by making them private, and providing no way at all for people who don’t already have their contact information to visit the site. e.g. http://revoltagainst.wordpress.com/

flavia’s recently posted a series of tasteful self-portraits, mainly nudes, for her longtime fans. She’ll be back up faster than you can say “shaved hamster.”

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keyster June 21, 2012 at 14:38

Look at photographs of men and women from the 19th century. Why aren’t they smiling? It’s because life is hard, and you could lose your job or your business or your farm and die destitute at any time.

They’re not smiling because:
a) They had to stay perfectly still for up to a minute while the picture exposed on the tin.
b) Smiling was something people didn’t think they needed to do for a photograph until the 20th century.

People weren’t unhappy. They took life and work seriously, and were mature adults.

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Firepower June 21, 2012 at 14:42

@JeremiahMRA

I’ve had her on my blogroll since day 1, and all my Inner Circle want to know why I keep a dame on my blogroll who keeps playing peek-a-boo.

I say, “hey, it’s WHAT dames DO”

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 14:50

“Defeating feminism and all the other evil manifestations of corporate/ socialist society are good places to start.”

Well that’s a bit more challenging, and less instantly rewarding, than slaying a dragon. And nobody seems to really want to do it.

Glad to hear it’ll be back Firepower. Though I’m considering making a back-up copy of every link I’ve saved anyway, in case more sites go down.

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Cecil June 21, 2012 at 14:59

Women attribute their boredom, their failings, the incapacity to men and to society as whole.
So what are we when we do the same? When we claim that acting like chimps is what separates “Real Men” from others?
Who was it that made you an authority? I am sure wasn’t any institution that has a proofreader on staff.
So any man who isn’t compelled to commit acts of violence, and seek out trouble isn’t a real man? Real men are only the ones who act like primates?
This simpletons notion is very new, and is contrary to the concept of masculinity that has existed for nearly all of human history.

The beast will never be let out of the cage because smarter men, more rational men, real men who are more man than animals stand in the way. They will always win. It’s not bloody hands, erections and body hair that makes someone a man. Man is the most intelligent animal who has ever existed. A real man, will seldom need to shed blood.

Ultimately if a man is lacking in challenge and conquest it is usually because he is dim witted, uncreative, simple and unfocused. A boring, safe and unfulling life is not going to be cured by bashing each others heads in with sticks.

“Wouldn’t it be more fun just to wing it?” Sure, so long as don’t want to ever accomplish anything. Birds Fly. Fish Swim. Man Thinks.
“Set your course by the Sun or the Stars? Or the compass?” And should your compass bring you home again, tan face child, you will find that your place has been taken by responsible men. Hard men. Smart men. Planners, doers and thinkers. Only then will you comprehend the cost of your wanderlust.
“Isn’t it sometimes just more fun to throw a wrench into the works and see what happens?” Like cutting the breaks on a car? Creating chaos and catastrophe for its own sake. I recall something about a group of men who used two jetliners for the same basic purpose. How’d that work out. Oh yeah, dead kids.

I have been a fighter. I have been a soldier. I have been a scholar. No matter what I was doing I pressed myself hard. I found challenges inside and out. I also learned that actual masculine traits (compassion, self discipline, intelligence, co-operative endeavoring) will ALWAYS take down the lone wolf with the erection and the sloped forehead.

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Cecil June 21, 2012 at 15:04

You know why we don’t ask for directions nor read the instructions? It is because there is no fun in it. Nothing to challenge the still animal hunter caveman within.

I have to comment on this separately.

Animal hunters were taught. They did as they were taught. They listened and learned. (A manual).They used local guides.(asked for directions).If they didn’t know something, they asked someone who did. This is fact. Pure and simple fact. No hunter ever woke up one day and said “I’m going to wander into the forest ALONE, without thinking, and go charge at an animal with my spear.”

They were real men. Not insecure children who thought looking like an ass in an effort to make themselves look smarter was a good idea.

While it’s true that men need a problem to solve, that has nothing to do with those behaviors. Here’s a problem to solve: A concept of masculinity that celebrates stupidity, ignorance and 0 cooperation.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 15:17

The central theme of The Way of Men is the definition of masculinity not as an individual trait but a social one. Masculinity according to Donovan is a sense of being able to uphold one’s role in a tribe by virtue of the four cardinal abilities of a man, which are Strength, Courage, Mastery, and Honor. In his architectural description of these abilities, Donovan relates them to the ability of men to rely on each other in pursuit of the objectives that have been the traditional domain of men: hunting, defense, conquest and exploration. These are things men will live for, or die for, and it’s the latter that gives them the significance to convey meaning to life through them.

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orecret June 21, 2012 at 15:22

Spartacus agrees with you Little John.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 15:22

Nothing wrong with a sloping forehead. Neanderthals were more intelligent and more honorable than human beings, who bred like rabbits and overwhelmed neanderthals, raping their women. The only reason modern humans have accomplished anything is due to our neanderthal traits.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 15:25

Something about what you are saying is off, Cecil. You seem to have some scorn for masculine strength and courage, focusing too much on mastery and honor. I suggest you read Jack Donovan’s The Way of Men. http://www.amazon.com/The-Way-of-Men-ebook/dp/B007O0Y1ZE

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orecret June 21, 2012 at 15:28

Cecil and Others -

This is satire. Note the goat smiling out at you at the top of the page. Note the name of the author.

Everything is said tongue in cheek. Let’s have a sense of humor about ourselves, huh?

It can be read a number of ways if you don’t look at it so seriously.

So says Spartacus, The Goat

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J June 21, 2012 at 15:29

Men have a keen sense, and desire both of which they can rarely articulate. After all this time, learning, education, conditioning, training; we are still but an insepid soul yearning to be free. All without the power of our words to exactly correlate it. We have the tools, but without the environment we are suited for, no compass could suffice. The environment to which we are beholden we have outgrown. Earth, quite possibly the only one of it’s kind in the cosmos, just does not seem like the grand design it was made for anymore.

Too explored, tamed, hemmed in.

It comes down to two options. We explore outer space, or we throw our governments out since their is not enough room for all of us.

I for one am content with both. Come a prosperous life or death, when do we begin?

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Cecil June 21, 2012 at 15:31

Let me start by pointing out that you’re attempting to rebuff the notion of learning by citing a book, aka a place where another man taught you something. Let em then point out that you argue against the communal nature of men by citing a book that studies tribes. Collectives of primary men, that occur in nearly all cultures and at all times, as an adaptation for mutual benefit. So go ahead, tell me how dumb is good and individualistic endeavors are god in the world of men.
Now then.
“which are Strength, Courage, Mastery, and Honor. ”
Allow me to elaborate, it’s clearly needed.

Strength does not necessarily, and seldom does in fact, equate to physical prowess. Men are the ones who stand up when no one else can bear too, regardless of whether or not anyone is wounded.Male Strength has only began to be perceived as having a relationship to how much one can lift very recently in the history of men.

Courage is not just running into bad situations and facing death. It’s doing the hard thing. based on how it effects the tribe, in the judgement of him and the rest of the tribe.

Mastery is skill, skill born of KNOWLEDGE. Taught by others.
Honor is doing what’s right, even if no one is looking. based on a principal of how it affect the tribe.

Donovan, speaking mostly to primitives people was not/is not/will never be the definitive source of masculinity for anyone capable of rational thought.He was fundamentally flawed in many assumptions compared to the men who built the world. Men who’s architectural constructs of masculinity differ greatly from this idea that stupid is good. Ignorance Good. Man dump, man hit stuff with rock. Man live and die for vagina.

Donovan relates them to the ability of men to rely on each other in pursuit of the objectives..Period, end that sentence there.

That part, cannot be achieved by primate men.

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Rusty June 21, 2012 at 15:33

Men like maps and directions but also love the challenge of finding their own way and of challenging themselves by trying new routes just to see what happens and just to see where this new road goes, even if the trip might take a little longer.

I have maps on the wall in my office. Just about every man who enters, if he stays more than a minute or two, will eventually walk over to the maps and study them. We will either talk business while he studies and follows streets with his finger, or we will talk about the map, the streets, highways, directions, history, storm drains, etc. Women *never* do that.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 15:49

Cecil, what are you not getting? You aren’t really arguing against me or Jack Donovan but against a straw man that you have constructed that says masculinity is being stupid.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 15:51

I have a feeling you haven’t actually read The Way of Men.

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orecret June 21, 2012 at 16:25

I think I want to take a stab at Firepower’s STANDING QUESTION…

Your call for action sounds like a clarion call for mass activity, something labored over, planned out, and inorganic in nature…
Something sensational to attract 15 minutes of media attention, which generally reduces the protest action to something more of a distraction, something to be distracted by for a moment and then forgotten…

However, it has been pointed out that men don’t generally work this way, in groups and herds. Moreover, society doesn’t generally.

We live in a self-organizing complex system, full of feedbacks, responses to feedback and change agents.

That being the case, there is no need for mass action on the part of men, as you see happen on the part of women.

Self-organizing systems work through individual agency, whereby the individual tries to make the best possible decisions and take the best possible actions given the values and ideals that he holds…. be that simply self-interest or selfless-interests in the best interests of the whole…

That being said, each and every day, each and every man is taking action in response to feminism… and each day more and more men outside of The Spearhead take similar action.

Women have no choice but to respond. If feminism appears to be a hate movement to aspiring young feminists, then maybe they will change the way they do things and stop saying such awful things like the mantra each and every man in the West has memorized, “God! I hate men!”

Maybe they will examine and deconstruct feminism for themselves and see the corruption and historical and biological inaccuracies of the movement. Maybe they will compromise and start trying to meet men halfway.

This is how things change. Each and every man at this website deserves to be respected. Each and every man is ALREADY taking action. And each and every day things are already starting to change.

Note the existence of The Spearhead itself… It is but our vanguard, announcing our arrival… behind The Spearhead is a whole army of men already taking action. The Spearhead is just the war cry that you hear before you see the army cresting the hill…

Take heed!

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Born Free June 21, 2012 at 16:42

Mark Plus said:
“People mock the last century’s science fiction of the flying cars and jetpacks sort, and they now call it the paleofuture. My friends and I in the cryonics movement talk about this regularly, given that the real 21st Century so far doesn’t look look all that “futuristic,” especially compared to this cryonicist’s prediction of life in that mysterious, far-future year 2010.”

And I say, give the 21st century some time. How could we have possibly predicted how the 20th century turned out back in 1912?

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Philip June 21, 2012 at 17:11

This was poetry. Enjoyed greatly.

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Zorro June 21, 2012 at 17:39

@JeremiahMRA:

Dude. When you post SIXTEEN (16) responses to one blog post, you are an ISO-9000-certified TROLL.

Now shut the fuck up and stop shilling for Jack Donovan. Just get a hotel room and let him do you already.

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orecret June 21, 2012 at 18:00

Incidentally, folks. I am a craftsman by trade.

I have many other good works in progress as well. They don’t specifically refer to the men’s movement and thus are not mentioned here…

…but… they are part of the solution…

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 18:11

“Dude. When you post SIXTEEN (16) responses to one blog post, you are an ISO-9000-certified TROLL.”

Gee, another mangina who resorts to personal attacks rather than argument, congrats.

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orecret June 21, 2012 at 18:16

Satire…

for instance… “why does the caged bird sing?” is a reference to a feminist symbology… on the surface, it seems to agree with feminism…

…the difference being, that feminists answered with hatred against men… while men responded with a hatred against the frankensteinian leviathan that has evolved in this culture…

Time to kill the great white whale, men!

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Attila June 21, 2012 at 18:28

It’s hard to meet a “real man” these days — and chances are it will be somebody who works a craft of some kind (carpenter, plumber, etc. ). Everyone else looks too busy facebooking or facebukkaking themselves with a gadget. Real Men are aware of their surroundings (C).

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orecret June 21, 2012 at 18:34

Apparently, to ‘Cecil’, masculinity is just a construct of society… not something that has evolved over eons with respect to, and in feedback to, women… and their instinctual and survivalist wants and needs…

If women really have a problem with male human nature then they should shake their tiny, little fists at Mother Nature herself. Or perhaps even more appropriately at THEMSELVES…

Think about it ladies… Men and women have co-evolved over millions of years TOGETHER… If anyone is responsible for the current state of masculinity, it is the women who self-selected their mates that have instilled and effected current modern masculine characteristics…

Think of the graphic symbol of the Tao…

The current feminist mantra is “God! I hate men!” … but your actions belie your words. You claim that you hate us, but, in reality you love us… you made us what we are… fashion and political correctness is meaningless in the face of millions of years of co-evolution…

Spartacus, The Goat will NOT sit contentedly in your cage…

No leash will hold him…

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orecret June 21, 2012 at 19:01

One more comment to ‘Cecil’:

A Real Man is self-taught (auto-didactic), self-made (auto-poetic) and self-determined (i.e., he is is own patriacrch and sovereign)… no one tells him what to do… not even his doctor (the consultant to his health)…

He makes his own decisions…

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Ted June 21, 2012 at 19:05

Mark Plus said:
“People mock the last century’s science fiction of the flying cars and jetpacks sort, and they now call it the paleofuture.”

Not flying cars, but as it turned out many many more cars; so many that no-one walks these days. We are all obese and walkers are picked up by the police. I remember a prophetic science fiction story to that effect; can’t remember the title nor the author, but it must have been around the 1050′s.

“My friends and I in the cryonics movement talk about this regularly, given that the real 21st Century so far doesn’t look look all that “futuristic,” especially compared to this cryonicist’s prediction of life in that mysterious, far-future year 2010.”

Technological change has happened all right, just not directly in the field you hoped for. The biggest change has been in computing, which you simply take for granted. You kids don’t know you’re born. For a bit of a laugh, watch some original Star Trek, and marvel at their communicators.

Born Free: “And I say, give the 21st century some time. How could we have possibly predicted how the 20th century turned out back in 1912?”

Yep. There’s been great change even since the start of the century. Look at DNA technology, for just one example. Not only does the change continue, but the the rate of change is increasing. We approach the singularity.

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Ted June 21, 2012 at 19:07

Oops… the 1950′s…

I’m not that old, yet.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 19:23

People never learn. People dreamt of flying cars before, and it never happened. People now dream of genetic engineering, artificial wombs, everything that can relieve us of our nature and make us lovey dovey liberals. It’s not going to happen, not in any significant way, and where it does occur there shall be failure upon failure. Humans are too stupid, too careless, to modify DNA. The hubris!

As Dr. Ian Malcolm stated in Jurassic Park: “Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.”

But hell, the peons today can’t even learn such a simple lesson even when it’s spoon fed to them in a blockbuster movie.

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Ted June 21, 2012 at 19:40

I see Thos. on the Matt Forney thread has remembered the same SF story; turns out it was The Pedestrian by Ray Bradbury.

JeremiahMRA: “People never learn. ”

Their predictions are a bi hit and miss. Bradbury got it right in his short story.

“People dreamt of flying cars before, and it never happened.”

We could build them, but they would be really expensive to run. And think of the accidents…

“People now dream of genetic engineering, ”

Happening now

“artificial wombs,”

There for animals

” everything that can relieve us of our nature ”

Get used to it; it’s been like that ever since we invented clothes.

“and make us lovey dovey liberals. ”

Oh, really, Jeremiah.

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orecret June 21, 2012 at 20:13

meistergedanken –

Even though I upvoted your responses to me, I still have reservations in that your responses smack of that of the establishment as if you are Winston’s “friend”, O’Brien in the novel 1984…

““Everybody is just part of an assemblyline, a cog in the machine. ”

That’s right – and that’s the way the world needs to be. Unfortunately this realization is injurious to the egos of the bountiful crop of narcissists we have bred in modern times. How often have we raged against the “special snowflakes” that are so endemic to the female sex? To not embrace or at least acknowledge the validity of this state of affairs is therefore feminine. It is natural for men to form hierarchies where everyone knows their place and function – just throw in some competition too so merit is recognized and it’s all good (there is you challenge: to rise to the top of the ladder -, or at least the highest rung that the fulfillment of your talents will permit). It’s a waste of time and effort for us to constantly have to reinvent the wheel when engineers and scientists and inventors have already worked this stuff out and optimized the details. To think you can do it better than the thousand guys before you smacks of megomanical delusion.”

Have you just taken us to the tower of the Ministry of Love to brainwash us into a corporate position in this socisty that we MGTOW and otherwise do not believe in???

You DO understand the nature of The Goat, correct? Try a little harder… The red pill is far stronger than the blue pill…

I trust you are acting in good faith… I am just being provocative…

Sometimes, I am a little capricious…

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 20:18

“We could build them, but they would be really expensive to run. And think of the accidents…”

Same with genetic engineering and artificial wombs. That’s the whole frickin’ point.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 20:19

What is the nature of The Goat?

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 20:52

Freebird:
I restore a lot of that old stuff too. It works better than the crap made in China—a lot of it you can’t even buy anymore. A good part of my shop equiptment is much older than I am—and works even better! LOL

I agree with you about making rifles. Once in awhile, I’ll buy a ‘parts gun’ in the gun shop and make it useable again.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 20:55

Firepower:
‘Duhhh…how’s that any diff’rent than what them thar MRAs are doin? Huh, huh…’

Maybe because what we’re doing has an actual purpose?

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orecret June 21, 2012 at 21:52

The nature of The Goat is caprice. The root of the word is “capro-” meaning goat.

Aphorisms are a specialty.

Be careful not to get too comfortable.

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orecret June 21, 2012 at 22:03

Think of The Goat in relation to the Church’s ideal subject, The Sheep.

If you want someone to look after the herd of sheep truly in their own best interests and there is none to be found, you put The Goat in charge.

If you want a defender against a corrupt establishment, you look to the spirit of Spartacus, The Goat. He lives on in many a Spearhead reader.

Take heed!

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Ode June 21, 2012 at 23:48

Firepower

REAL Men must find practical, REAL Life solutions to the problems discussed on Spearhead EVERY day.

This is my plan.
Stay single for life, go to work, bring home the bacon, and fatten up my savings account. I can save money at Four times the rate of a normal man who is married with kids. After 10 years I can calm down since I’ll have the financial equivalent of one human lifetime worth of savings.
I will invest my money and hopefully, if I’m as smart as I think I am, I will quadruple my money.

what do you think of my plan?

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Ode June 22, 2012 at 01:43

Ted

Yep. There’s been great change even since the start of the century. Look at DNA technology, for just one example. Not only does the change continue, but the the rate of change is increasing. We approach the singularity.

Peak oil is going to slam the brakes on the techno singularity pipe dream.
When are people going to learn exponential growth is always follwed by a crash? Points to the stock market for example.
It’s happening already. Ever since 2005 global oil production measured in million barrels per day has plateau at around 85 mbpd.

What does this mean?
The age of growth based economics is over, it’s going to be steady state from here on out.

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Ted June 22, 2012 at 05:09

“The age of growth based economics is over”

Maybe, maybe not. For an example of “maybe not”, think of the silicon chip industry. Greater and greater profits are made from less and less material.

Before the oil runs out, it will get expensive. This will encourage serious attempts at making other energy sources economic.

Incidentally, it won’t be hydropower, nor windmills. These are basically heat engines extracting power from the Earth’s atmosphere. They are subject to thermodynamic limits. Direct solar power isn’t.

Thorium reactors are promising. The University of Cambridge is researching subcritical accelerator-driven thorium reactors. There’s more thorium in the world than there is uranium, and you can’t make bombs from it.

Finally, there’s fusion power. It’s been fifty years in the future for the last fifty years, and it’s about time those guys delivered something practical. They won’t while oil is so cheap, however.

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migu June 22, 2012 at 05:31

300 years proven coal reserves in the US alone. Can be converted to diesel and gas at oil=$55/barrel.

Plenty of black stuff to burn. Then there are the Russians who laugh heartily at peak oil, while the extract it from refiling reservoirs in the crystalline basement. Saudis too.

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Brigadon June 22, 2012 at 07:10

‘conservationism’

just another way of saying “The human race is less important than…”
Fuck them. The human race is first in my book. sorry penguins, whales, cute fuzzy little whateverthehells. You lost.

I will not be peaceful until we have a colony on mars. Tiny earth is too small a basket for the eggs of what may possibly be the only intelligent species in the entire universe.

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Peter South June 22, 2012 at 08:20

We’re capable of figuring out where we are going. Women are not.

Therefore they can’t understand why we wouldn’t ask since in their minds there is no other hope.

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Migu June 22, 2012 at 08:35

Before the oil runs out, it will get expensive. This will encourage serious attempts at making other energy sources economic.

Before that ever happens an alternative will already have reached price parity. So called Fossil Fuels will be with us for many generations to come.

The energy market needs to be freed up, and all restrictions and public utility monopolies revoked. This will bring energy consumption to naturally sustainable levels. Without all the price controls and regulations, we will know exactly how much we have. How will we know? We will look at the “natural price” or rather the market price. If oil is bid down to $3.00/barrel then we know there is plenty. If it is bid up to $300/barrel, then we know there is not quite as much.

Of course this will have to be done with the entire economy. That would mean some people would have to go bankrupt, due to basing their decisions on faulty prices. Can’t have that now.

The US is back to #3 for oil producing nations. Saudi is #2. And Russia is #1. Hubberts theory has already been debunked. The charts do not lie. The production curve does not exist.

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Anonymous June 22, 2012 at 09:13

I have a terrible sense of direction, sortof. I see something that lets me know where I am and I’m good to go. If I don’t have anywhere I absolutely need to be however, I have no issues with wandering around on back roads and such for a few hours. I’ve found all sorts of neat shit and decent little hole in the wall places doing that.
I think part of the reason women(and quite a few men) don’t do it, despite claims that they are easily lost, is more just that they get bored entirely too quickly. Largely, women don’t enjoy cars, they don’t enjoy driving and they just view it as a means to an end. That appliance and those roads are just there to get them to the mall as quickly as possible and they aren’t supposed to need anything to do so. It’s why a lot of the women my age don’t maintain their cars and bitch like crazy when they come upon road work.

I’m not going to knock industrialization, because I doubt hand making screws constantly fullfills anyones idea of meaningful craftsmanship. I may be pretty handy, but I doubt I’d willingly use something mechanically complicated if I was the one who made every single piece on it.

I will disagree with one thing in the op, just because the unwashed masses use to internet for cat pictures and vanity, doesn’t mean the internet is a bad thing. The sheer amount of information I can find gives my brain a stiffy, and I’ve found plenty of things that have solved plenty of problems for me.

And just for Firepower, this post was made on a Playstation 3.

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Anon June 22, 2012 at 11:47

a) They had to stay perfectly still for up to a minute while the picture exposed on the tin.
b) Smiling was something people didn’t think they needed to do for a photograph until the 20th century.
- keyster

Hmm, I’m not sure about that. My Internet research indicates that 4-8 seconds was typical. Also, take a look at pictures taken by WPA photographers of regular people taken during the Depression with quicker techniques. I don’t think their facial expressions can be explained by social customs that grew up around photography.

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Peter South June 22, 2012 at 13:03

Russian people don’t smile either, it’s a cultural thing. They think Americans are mentally ill for mugging all the time.

I don’t smile for photographs and live under normal conditions.

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Harry Celine June 22, 2012 at 15:39

I read somewhere that men don’t ask for directions because they never really feel lost.

Women navigate by remembering landmarks, so they can always get home by reversing the outbound path.

Men navigate using an internal inertial navigation system. They can get from Point A to Point B without ever having traversed the intervening ground.

Very useful if you’ve been on a 2 week hunting expedition and the shortest way home is not the way you came.

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fmz June 22, 2012 at 23:21

Men wouldnt need to ask for direction of wiminz could read maps.

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Brigadon June 23, 2012 at 02:27

@anon-

You kind of miss the point.
Industrialization serves it’s purpose. stuff that is boring and laborious to hand produce, staple goods and basic goods, are rightly the province of industrialization.
however, FINISHED goods, furniture, finished food, art, comfort goods, These are the province of handcrafting. In point of fact, ‘industrially produced’ finished goods are crap, they always have been crap and they always will be crap.

I have gone through countless ‘walmart’ bookcases and furniture. They have a finite lifespan. The edging peels, they warp, the metal parts pull out of the wood, etc.

I have a bookcase that my grandpa hand-made, took him about 2 hours, with some driftwood and wooden pegs. Not a single nail, each shelf is slotted into a notch cut in the sidepieces. hand-stained and waxed once a decade. The bookcase has served his family for over 40 years, and has served mine for another 20.

My slave got into a sewing craze about 12 years ago, so I had her make me a bunch of hawaiian shirts, homemade by hand. she used pre-manufactured cloth (of course) but, where my ‘store bought’ teeshirts and hawaiian shirts have deteriorated into kitchen rags in that time, the handmade ones are still holding up quite well, and are still as attractive (or ugly, depending on your tastes) as the day they were made.

And anyone can tell you that today’s hand-made meals, where you actually cook for yourself, kick the crap out of any freezer-case dinners or fast food. They are healthier, safer, tastier, more nutritious, and cheaper in the long run.

I am not arguing against combine harvesters, commercial cloth factories, or integrated circuit manufactories, I am just saying that we need to start keeping the manufactured crap where it belongs… creating staples for basic minimal needs for everyone, not reeeling out crappy finished goods and charging wal-mart prices for them.

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Ode June 23, 2012 at 03:46

Ted says
“Before the oil runs out, it will get expensive. This will encourage serious attempts at making other energy sources economic.”

Here’s my prediction for the future.
As the economy goes into neutral there will be over a dirty dozen different ideological groups: OWS, Tea Party, techno singularity (such as yourself), eco-utopians, ethno-nationalists, etc… who claim to have a formula to create prosperity.
There will be no shortage of self proclaimed enlightened people who believe they have an answer to the world’s problems if only they can get everyone else to agree with them (sounds familiar?) but what they will all have in common is they are ALL WRONG.
You know what my ideology is?
I hope to some day buy a small house in a peaceful community where I can shield myself from the rest of the world collapsing and also the consequences of other people’s stupid actions.

wish me luck!

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Brigadon June 23, 2012 at 06:47

You actually have a point, Ode. ‘stability’ leads to nothing but stagnation. The world is in an endless cycle, as are all the governments of every country.
No one solution works for everyone, we must continue to grow and progress. ‘perfection’ is a goal to be sought after, not a state to be achieved.
I am curious as to what our government will look like in another 300 years, as I am certain it will NOT even vaguely resemble what we have today.

The problem is, at times during the cycle, sometimes egregious flaws come to light, and sometimes those become cancerous and must be excised before they lead to a global die-off of humanity.

we are in the throes of the cancer called Socialism. The problem is, that it is a beautiful thing… It is like a coral snake, beautiful but deadly.
Socialism LOOKS so gorgeous that it is hard to dispute it. I mean, come on:

Equality for everyone, everything is ‘fair’
Everyone can live their lives in peace, safety, health, and plenty.

This sort of thing LOOKS, if you have an IQ around average, like the ultimate Utopia. The problem is, it has failed, again and again, as it butts heads with the reality of human nature. The reality is, equality for everyone and safe, peaceful, healthy lives exists for only one sort of creature.

Livestock.

Heh, I was going someplace with this, but I got caught up in my own symbology.

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Ted June 23, 2012 at 07:19

“The world is in an endless cycle”

Plenty of cycles can be identified. But the progression of technology is not cyclic; it just gets more, and it get more faster.

Social change caused by technology is the cause of our current difficulties. We have not reacted fast enough to cope. Feminism is just women taking advantage of the changes for their own ends just as they always have; but we haven’t made the necessary social constraints on them yet. I hope we can come up with something soon before we hit the wall.

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Ted June 23, 2012 at 07:28

“they are ALL WRONG.”

Probably. I suppose they’re as good at predicting the future as anyone else.

“I hope to some day buy a small house in a peaceful community”

Nice idea. Given enough money, you could do that now. If there is a collapse, though, would it remain peaceful? Probably not.

“wish me luck!”

Good luck, Ode.

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Peace Debts June 23, 2012 at 08:07

migu June 22, 2012 at 05:31
“Plenty of black stuff to burn. Then there are the Russians who laugh heartily at peak oil, while the extract it from refiling reservoirs in the crystalline basement. Saudis too.”

Those russians who laugh are obviously ones who have low IQ. I understand that it’s hard for common people in the anglosphere to comprehend, but nothing in Russia belongs to russians. All natural resources in Russia are controlled by a group of people who are controlled from the West. They just extract resources and pump them abroad. That’s why that fish-eyed humanoid Putin takes so much pride in pipelines.
Anytime you watch “news” on any Russia TV channel it’s always the same shit, about “we’re gonna build new pipelines” and “what a great superpower we are”. For any normal country this is a disgrace, but for a colony this is just a normal way of life. The only purpose of Russia’s existence today as a state is to supply the civilized world with cheep oil and natural gas. Only low-IQ russians laugh in these circumstances.

Peter South June 22, 2012 at 13:03
“Russian people don’t smile either, it’s a cultural thing. They think Americans are mentally ill for mugging all the time.”

Americans tend to show their teeth when they smile and it’s annoying. And when americans smile all the time it makes you suspect they are under influence of prozac or something. It’s mostly applicable to white americans, black americans are much more similar to russians mentally.

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orecret June 23, 2012 at 11:36

I remember I was once travelling to a friend’s house in Manhattan Beach from Northern California… a few hundred miles away… I had only been there once before.

I navigated to the city by my senses… went to where it just felt right and then pulled over to find the last little bit to go on the map…

Turns out I was right out in front of his house and didn’t need the map at all.

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orecret June 23, 2012 at 11:45

I think the phenomenon being referred to is ‘neutral face’.

It has become something of an internet meme, methinks, but I think it was the standard for daily expression before the days of photography and mass media…

Now, everyone wants to be noticed and get their fifteen minutes. Now, we all grin like idiots. [Note the greek use of the word 'idiot': she who is distracted from the true issues of the day by bread and circuses... or in our case, bon bons and soap operas...]

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orecret June 23, 2012 at 11:53

Bigadon -

“Livestock.”

Funny. Spartacus agrees with you and is not all offended (mostly).

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Anon June 23, 2012 at 15:54

‘I prove I’m a man the old fashioned way: by making gobs and gobs of money!’–Frasier

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Poester99 June 23, 2012 at 17:49

JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 14:52

Hey passive-aggressive guys who keep down-voting my comments regardless of content. I guess that’s how YOU fight feminism, right? Bravo, heroes.

lol.. now they know it bugs you, and you always downvote a dare to downvote.

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Brigadon June 23, 2012 at 19:38

I just downvote him to see his funny reactions to getting downvoted. (snerk)

Seriously, every once in a while he has a great post, but then, in between he fills out the threads with vicious, personal vitriol. kinda like firepower.

“here’s a story about an honorable man.” “How does that fix things?” bleh.

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George June 24, 2012 at 23:45

God, what a stupid article! This is a juvenile conception of what manhood is.
I’m a REAL man, watch me not ask for directions and not read the instructions manual!! Oohh!
I’m a REAL man, watch me gorge on beer, oh manly me!

This is the kind of stupid view of manhood and masculinity I would expect from a blue pill college freshman, not an author on a respected MRA blog.

Keep this kind of stupid shit for In Mala Fide.

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Josh the Aspie June 25, 2012 at 12:39

Bull Pocky craftsmanship doesn’t still exist!

Yes, there’s a whole heck of a lot that’s machined and pre-made. That doesn’t mean that you can’t customize!

How many of you out there have taken the simple step of tapping your own holes for your sling-swivels in your rife-stocks? How many of you have customized your packs for hikes by sewing dividers into the various pockets, or adding handles, or adding MOLLE straps?

If craftsmanship excites you, then take your gear you aren’t happy with, and start working to FIX that with your own two hands.

It takes forever, but when you’re done, there really is a sense of satisfaction.

Why do you think that men tend to collect more tools than women? Other than it being expected, that is.

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