How Racial Politics will Subordinate Feminism

by W.F. Price on June 20, 2012

Polls and voting patterns have made it pretty clear that white men have permanently moved away from the Democratic Party. The trend is strongest in the 30-45 demographic, which is the youngest in which people become seriously politically engaged, so it appears to be accelerating. The crash of fertility amongst liberal whites that started in the late 1970s is showing up in young white male voting preferences even in the 18-30 demographic (they are growing more conservative), but they are inconsequential compared to older, more reliable voters, and will only solidify the trend in coming years as they settle into familiar routines (80% of children end up voting like their parents).

This has led to more predictable white male bashing from the left, which is what started the move away from the Democratic Party in the first place, and is beginning to manifest itself in the racial and gender makeup of elected Democrats. For the first time ever, it is predicted that white males will cease to be a majority in the House. The Senate, which has longer terms and is less prone to turnover, remains majority white male in the Democratic Party, but this is simply because it is a more staid, conservative institution.

The presidency, for its part, may have already permanently switched. In fact, even in the 1990s, Bill Clinton was something of an anomaly, and might not have won without Ross Perot to siphon off a substantial portion of the white male vote. But George Bush senior was one of the old-guard Republicans; an elite, Yankee throwback from the pre-Reagan era when Republicans lacked populist appeal (this is one of the concerns about Mitt Romney, and why Newt Gingrich enjoyed some enthusiastic support despite his slim chances in a national election).

Since Bill Clinton’s presidency, the Democratic coalition of minorities, women and urban elites has kept the party fairly strong, despite some setbacks, and Republican stupidity regarding the economy and war handed them another presidential victory, in which white males voted underwhelmingly for John McCain, who ran essentially on a “more war” platform.

But things are different this year, as the economy has failed to improve during Obama’s first term, and politics has become a zero-sum game in which the loser really loses and the winner merely treads water.

According to reports from last December, the Obama campaign has already decided to toss the working-class white male from the Democratic coalition, focusing instead on urban elite whites and white females to add to the overwhelming support he gets from minorities. The campaign has made this obvious recently through offering socialist incentives explicitly to white females, while deliberately leaving white males out. The result has been that a large gap has opened up with white male voters, who now overwhelmingly oppose Obama and the Democratic party.

Although the fact that the Republican party has become, for all intents and purposes, the white male party, is sometimes echoed in media outlets (usually in a disparaging manner), it isn’t stressed enough, and the implications are either ignored or said to be favorable to Democrats. This is because most of the white males who write opinion or work for the media are part of the shrinking white male elite — the white males who actually do have white male privilege. These white males (and females) tend to live in deep blue cities where the Democratic Party has adapted to the caste society that characterizes urban America. Their lifestyle depends on maintaining the delicate ethnic and economic balance that holds the Democratic coalition together. This balance simply does nothing for rural, small-town and working class whites, who derive no advantages from it. Ironically, white people who hire brown servants and send their children to private, mainly-white schools, are more likely to vote Democrat than those who mow their own lawns, take care of their own children, and send their kids to public school. As fewer and fewer American whites can afford the increasingly expensive middle-class urban lifestyle, they drift away from the Democrats.

The gender gap between white males and females can be explained almost entirely by feminism and the goodies it provides white females. When the Republicans were the more feminist party in the 1950s, women voted more Republican than men. It’s a simple matter of pandering, and it works. But how well does it work, and for how long will it continue to work?

The rise of the white feminist in American politics was aided by white men from the beginning. Women were only included in the Civil Rights Act through the efforts of a Southern segregationist. The first woman on the US Supreme Court was appointed by a white male. A white male drafted the Violence Against Women Act. White males instituted universal suffrage, passed sexual harassment laws, extended affirmative action to white females, enacted Title IX, etc. The list goes on and on. White men have done more to enfranchise white females than women themselves.

The question this brings up is how things will play out when white males no longer dominate the Democratic party, and women find themselves fighting against white males rather than being the beneficiaries of their paternalism. We have to remember that white females are a minority in the Democrat coalition, yet they have most of the more powerful positions. Can white females maintain dominance in a majority minority coalition? Will black and Hispanic males continue to submit to the likes of Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi? Will black and Hispanic females, for that matter, accept white female dominance of their political party?

Probably not. When given a choice between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, minority voters overwhelmingly chose the male candidate. Race trumped gender. If we are to be honest with ourselves, the benefits white females received from white males during the Civil Rights era were another example of race trumping gender. To compare the travails of the bored white housewife with those of the southern black man is ridiculous, and I’d assume downright insulting from a black male point of view. Nevertheless, white men did their best to extend every favor minorities received to white females as well. If they had the choice, would minorities have done the same? Not a chance. The only reason Obama panders to white women is that the US is still a majority white country, and he needs their vote.

But the strain in the coalition will eventually become hard to handle. Without senior white males around to protect and foster them, white female Democrats are going to be stuck in a difficult place. Although they share a few common goals with minority Democrats, their current leadership will be called into question. There’s still time for a white woman to win the presidency on the Democratic ticket, but as the Democrats become majority minority that window is closing fast.

A number of white liberals believe that the increasing minority share of the US population will doom the Republican party, but that would only be a sure thing if we were to assume that white voters will continue to vote as they currently do for a long time to come. The reality is that white voters are far from a static bloc, and if the parties really do split along racial lines, as they have in the South, the Republican party will remain strong. It is starting to look more and more as though this may indeed happen on a national level.

Pacific and Northeastern states may continue to feature white male Democrats for some time to come, but rural states and minority majority states like California will likely see fewer of them as time goes on. It is often said that California leads the nation in trends, but that appears to have changed. California has led itself, for all intents and purposes, right out of the US into nearly foreign territory.

The implications for political feminism are likely to be profound. As the political divide in the US becomes increasingly racial, gender politics will play a smaller role. If a white female Democratic presidential candidate cannot even earn an endorsement from the ultra-feminist Oprah Winfrey, how could she hope to win the support of any minorities at all? And if she doesn’t have the support of white men, what exactly is her base? Childless, college-educated, single, professional white women? Not exactly firm ground for national office.

Unless women can somehow transfer feminism to the Republican Party (a longshot), it will be politically dead in the water within a decade or so. It is often repeated that demographics is destiny, but people tend to see the trends only in the simplest terms. The outcomes of demographic changes are a lot more nuanced than imagined even by our supposedly clued-in pundits. The increase in the minority share of the US population will certainly have profound implications, but given the size and cultural depth of white America there is not going to be some ultimate multicultural triumph that eliminates race from the equation.

Before the Ming dynasty, China was a far more cosmopolitan, multicultural society than it is today. It was as likely to be ruled by Altaic people as ethnic Chinese, and non-Chinese enjoyed immense influence and power from time to time. But during the Yuan dynasty, the Mongols introduced legislation that explicitly discriminated against ethnic Chinese. It was the first official, administratively implemented affirmative action program on the record. The result was that the Chinese population shrunk and lost a great deal of power, but ultimately Chinese emerged as a politically unified, far more conservative force. During the subsequent Ming dynasty the Chinese once again asserted their control and China became the most powerful, wealthy empire on earth until the dawn of the 19th century.

It remains to be seen how demographic matters will impact American politics, but it is likely that a racial divide in national politics will have a unifying effect on white America, and ethnic politics will take precedence over other issues. Feminism, homosexuality, religious differences and the like will decline in importance as racial divisions grow. All of these relatively petty issues can only flourish in times of white hegemony, and that hegemony is almost gone. We are looking at a new era in which race will subsume inconsequential intra-ethnic differences, and feminism will inevitably lose relevance.

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Days of Broken Arrows June 20, 2012 at 15:18

To paraphrase (and satirize): “White Men’s Power Fades — Women Hit Hardest.” What a shame.

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Ryu June 20, 2012 at 15:37

If there’s any white man who believes that the republicans represent his interests, he’s sadly mistaken. With one hand republicans open the border, taking away lower paying jobs. With the other hand, they want more H1B Chinese and Indians, removing the higher paid jobs.

This whole experiment is not unique to the US. They tried this already in Rhodesia and South Africa. Their present is us in 15 years.

The US will reflect the people. As it becomes Mexicanized, it will begin to resemble Mexico – our politics a joke, wealth divide, mongrelization, everything for sale for the right price.

But its not the average citizen, or even the average white man, that matters. Democracy has failed. It’s one elite group against the other. Those who can read the future and who can sense what needs to be done will be leaders. Those who sit back passively will get what they have always gotten. The eternal law applies to everyone and those who understand it will do best.

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Towgunner June 20, 2012 at 15:41

I’ve always said that feminism has benefited white upper class women. It’s as clear as day to me, judging by the lack of “diversity” I observe at work and around my cosmopolitan city. This article brings up some very good points. Once Hispanic and Black people start to see this truth hil-dog and her ilk will be in deep trouble. As it relates to women there is enough to create a schism among them. Black and Hispanic women still languish in relative poverty versus their white sisters. All the needs to happen is to nudge that fact into public discourse.

It’s worth reiterating…this fight against feminism requires all men, race doesn’t matter.

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Mojo June 20, 2012 at 15:49

Out of the frying pan and into the fire, then.

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AfOR June 20, 2012 at 16:06

You should read this carefully

http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/06/secret-state/

the military industrial complex will be coming home to the US mainland soon, and white males will be in the sights, either as taxpayers or worker drones, same thing really….

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keyster June 20, 2012 at 16:10

Good analysis Welms.

Race ALWAYS trumps gender. The Clinton’s learned that the hard way in 2008. The President is still smarting from the Obama campaign inferring he was a racist.

That’s the Achilles Heel of the Democrat platform. The Party of “Identifiable Special Interest Groups”, will inevititably reach points of inner-conflict when Groups battle for resources and attention. It’s what contributed to the fall of Rome. These are delicate alliances indeed; blacks, women, hispanics, gays – – tenuously held together by powerful white elites in NYC, DC and LA and their sycophant press.

The only exception to Republicans being of white men is UNIONS. White men in Unions will NEVER vote Republican. Half their dues goes to Democrat campaign coffers, whether they want it to or not. But then Unions are a shrinking constituency also. Also, married women are more often going to be Republican.

It’s not only coming down to Race. It’s coming down to urban areas vs. “fly-over” country. The majority of single women, gays and minorities live in major city centers (look at the mayors they elect). The majority of whites live in the suburbs and rural areas.

So when the apocalypse strikes you will not want to be living in, Boston, NYC, Phila, Atlanta, Miami, Houston, Chicago, Denver, Dallas, LA, SanFran, Seattle, etc. Urban Centers will be highly vulnerable areas to riots and general mayhem. You won’t want to be white and living there. Think Reginald Denny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc_SgpyJWRY

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Lord Simon June 20, 2012 at 16:16

As a black man with conservative leanings living in Alabama, I think this article is pretty much spot on. For years I was told I was an Oreo or a sellout for not buying the Democrats view lock stock and barrel and that Republicans are racist. Usually when you get down to the nitty gritty, most black men I know will admit in conversation that they agree with most conservative principles. They just have a very shitty view of the Republican party. BUT, they have on blinders when it comes to the Democrats. They usually get mad when I tell them that as a liberal, Obama failed. He’s been a great republican president. And as a “black man” what has he done for you? Nothing. He’s a politician, not a black politician. And the goals of politicians are to screw us all over. Obama has done more for the black woman, than he has for the black man and only as spillover from femocentric policies at large, not by design.

My Dad always said, love those that love you back. I wish more Black people would take that point of view and see that their not getting to much love from the Democrats and Feminist. Especially black men.

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Beltain June 20, 2012 at 16:26

Assuming W.F. Price’s theory is correct (which I do) those who lament the fact or dislike the current Republican party need to keep in mind that as these demographics change and feed the party the party will itself change to reflect the new majority demographic.

Once critical mass is achieved we are then looking at a new unification and nothing on this planet has ever defeated a unified movement of White Men. The only movements that have ever come close were themselves White Male movements or the current traitor feminist White Females.

When it is all said and done they will come running back to daddy to protect them. I just hope I am still young enough to witness the inevitable outcome.

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LatinomaninNYC June 20, 2012 at 16:27

The brown man is starting to see that the Democratic Party doesn’t represent his interests. The white woman has all the high paying jobs and the goodies.The Clintons, and Obamas of the world will not keep locked the Hispanic male vote. Now since I am a Latino male I can tell you that Latina educated women are acting exactly like their feminism white cousins, you know the you go girl attitude and sleeping with many studs.

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Jason June 20, 2012 at 16:53

I liked this line.

“Ironically, white people who hire brown servants and send their children to private, mainly-white schools, are more likely to vote Democrat than those who mow their own lawns, take care of their own children, and send their kids to public school”

I don’t know why you said ironically though. Democrats have always been the party of racists who seek to subjugate the non-whites. That they do it via hand outs and a crushing soft paternalism instead of lynching and slavery laws doesn’t change the underlying principle.

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 16:53

Price:
‘Unless women can transfer feminism into the Republican Party (a long shot)’

It’s a not a long shot at all. Feminists are fanatics and will change their colors whenever it’s expedient. Look at the rise of the ‘strong woman’ in the Tea Party and other circles; and the blatant anti-MRM stances by conservatives like Thomas Fleming. Feminism is simply dropping its ‘radfem’ mask, because it’s no longer useful—and adopting the ‘socon’ mask instead.

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Firepower June 20, 2012 at 16:55

I see no whiteboi revolt to the right. Most are still deep Blue Pill-PareeneDrones. If you see them in suburban swpl seattle – pls, do take pix. MOST in reality are the neckbeard hippies at OWS looking for Free ObamaBux to pay for their $605,305 Sociology Degree.

There’s an extensive article about the allies in the Five Fingered Fist of Liberalism here: http://wp.me/p2kmGE-h4

For the first time ever, it is predicted that white males will cease to be a majority in the House.

When Whites lose power there, then there is no alternative to changing The System via the political process. Maxine Waters & John Conyers won’t hand out Welfare Freebies to po’ white folks as The Black Man’s Burden.

As the political divide in the US becomes increasingly racial, gender politics will play a smaller role.

Then, a prudent person must NECESSARILY modify his enemies as merely “feminists” and turn to fight the Greater Enemy – correct?

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freebird June 20, 2012 at 16:58

“he military industrial complex will be coming home to the US mainland soon”

So Eisenhower was pre-mature?

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 17:03

Ryu:
I agree with a lot of what you say, but there’s an issue that needs to be addressed about the racial balkanization of the US:

Latinos are now the second largest minority in the US. Other minorities are increasing as well. But here is the difference: the average Latina doesn’t see anything wrong with marrying young and raising a family of 4-5 kids. The average American white woman is not going to marry and have kids until nearly menopausal—and divorces as quickly as possible.

On top of that, a typical Latina is going to at least try to be a responsible wife and mother—white American women are unfit to be wives or mothers, even if they were available.

What do you suggest here? Barring a mass immigration from Europe like we had c.1880-1930, I don’t how American whites are going to end up as anything but a minority or largely mixed-race in the near future.

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Sun June 20, 2012 at 17:05

When I used to be a liberal white male and to say the lest I thought white men where stupid and white privilege should be destroyed. Practicing cognitive dissonance of the highest order, I displayed the highest level of stupidity.

When a white male liberal makes such a smug remark, thinking he is the rebel, when he is the norm, I ask the soon to be stunned white liberal, “Well why don’t we destroy your white/male privilege because after all you’ve done nothing to deserve what you have and you are guilty manipulating the system while people of color live in inequality. Maybe we can start with giving your house?”

The look on their faces is worth seeing as they peddle into an apologetic, “Well, I think everyone should be equal and so have benefits. So I’m not against having benefits but rather we should help everyone.”

Now he is nervous.

Because despite his tirade to gain approval by his peers, someone has now reminded him of reality. That reality is that he is white himself.

To which I reply, “Well surely we all know that white people are evil and created slavery to which generational inequality has developed. You have amassed such benefits through hundreds of years. You’re not racist are you in maintaining your privilege?”

Its fun. :)

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 17:09

Jason:
Out here in the hyper-PC Pacific Northwest, I’ve met several ‘progressive’ white male liberal democrats. You don’t have to talk to them very long to realize that most of them hate themselves for being white, male, or otherwise ‘priviledged’. I think if one looks closely at policies these guys support, you can see an underlying theme of self-punishment.

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LatinomaninNYC June 20, 2012 at 17:19

@ ERIC those points only apply to Latinas with a low education level ( completing only high school).The reality is college educated Latinas are marrying late in life( some late 20s and most in the 30s. Feminism in college have influenced every ethic group including Latina women. Latinas that are born or that had grown in the U.S have the same habits as white women.The Latina educated woman has the same principle as her White counterpart never settle for less.

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 17:41

LatinomaninNYC:
I don’t dispute that, but it happens to women of all races. The universities are hotbeds of feminism and ruin most women who come in contact with it. The only women whom I’ve observed come out of college sane are Asian exchange-students. The reason is they tend to associate among themselves, so they don’t fall for it so easily.

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Sun June 20, 2012 at 17:44

@ Eric

“You don’t have to talk to them very long to realize that most of them hate themselves for being white, male, or otherwise ‘ privileged.’”

Give them what they want.

They want to end white and male privilege, so its your duty to help these poor lost souls.

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JFinn June 20, 2012 at 17:46

Fuck the misandric Right, fuck the misandric left.

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Thomas Tell-Truth June 20, 2012 at 17:49

The entire left wing complex is held together by a common desire to exploit middle class males. Honestly..what do black militants, jewish billionaires, white urban housewives, hispanic migrant labourers and upper middle class gays have in common? Nothing. Once the gravy train is gone, the various portions of the left wing complex will splinter into a million peices as they start to fight with each other over the last scraps of the pie.

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Rebel June 20, 2012 at 17:50

There’s a new world order in the making. I’m not making this up. President Bush himself said it. And many other presidents.

Feminism is part of it. Feminism has been, so far, the best way to enslave humanity. It’s not about to die anytime soon.

A world government has to be a dictatorship. There is no other way.
Freedom is circling the drain.
What little of it is left is being drained away quickly.
Enjoy it while you can. The net itself is about to be under tight control.
The whole human species is about to to be re-engineered to fit the needs and wants of the wealthiest.

I agree with what Eric says regarding the whites.

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PeterTheGreat June 20, 2012 at 17:52

Sun@
“To which I reply, “Well surely we all know that white people are evil and created slavery to which generational inequality has developed. You have amassed such benefits through hundreds of years. You’re not racist are you in maintaining your privilege?””

Take a look at How Whites Took Over America for more of this reverse psychology: http://kitmantv.blogspot.com/2012/04/how-whites-took-over-america.html

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J June 20, 2012 at 17:56

@Lord Simon

My Dad always said, love those that love you back. I wish more Black people would take that point of view and see that their not getting to much love from the Democrats and Feminist. Especially black men.

I agree with your post. As a white man, I really enjoy pointing out when I get the “white guilt” guilt trip that Obama’s mother’s ancestors owned 5 slaves in “their prime” and his father’s ancestors were known for their “enslaving prowess” in Kenya! I would not dare say it in the Bronx when I was with my ex, Jamaican, I would have been killed.

I think Obama was picked because he was one of them, elite white liberal democrat, who just happened to be part black. Good for you for being able to see outside yourself, and challenge someone when you know they will possibly despise you for your “intolerance.” When it boils down to it, peopel stick with thier comfortable stereo types. They don’t want to know the truth, it is too hard. I respect that! I don’t meet many black men who can handle my lack of white guilt in their “presence.” I also loved sitting next to them while they watched BET, disrupting thier talks about white priviledge with no fear. Sadly, as a nation, we are messed up! I don’t date white. I date foreign. A lot of my black friends married white because they get tired of their “sistas” incessant shaming language. Only to discover why I left white women. LOL

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PeterTheGreat June 20, 2012 at 17:56

Regarding Obama’s racial politics:

12 Juicy New Details About The Young Barack Obama – http://www.businessinsider.com/juicy-details-young-barack-obama-david-maraniss-2012-6?op=1

Maraniss Comes Clean on Obama’s Seattle Hegira – http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/06/maraniss_comes_clean_on_obamas_seattle_hegira.html#ixzz1yLGAFydm

How Barack Obama avoids prison – http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/15-06-2012/121397-barack_obama_prison-0/

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Anonymous Reader June 20, 2012 at 18:11

Eric, you are just wrong about Hispanics.

1. The birth rate in Mexico is getting close to 2.3 children/woman/lifetime. I expect Mexico to hit the 2.1 level of Zero Population Growth in 5 years if not sooner.

2. Women from Mexico /central America are women. They are just as hypergamous as any other woman. Spend some time in any border town, from San Diego to Nogales to El Paso to Del Rio to Brownsville, and you will find an abundance of young women under 25 who are not married but have one or more children. Often their mothers are taking care of the children, too. Brown skin doesn’t mean virtue.

3. Immigrants from south of the Rio Grande tend to have more children in the first generation, but their children in turn adapt to American mores – both good and bad. That means if they marry, they have one or two children. If they go the babymomma route, they may have one, two or three, depending on how much support they can get from their real hubby, the government.

It is an open question whether Hispanic (Mexican, central American, Cuban) women will take up the feminist banner with as much enthusiasm as upper middle class white women did.

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Ryu June 20, 2012 at 18:15

Eric,

I’m in the Southwest. We are already majority Mexican. This is the area where the most racially aware whites are.

Even if I “turn off” all of my WN, these are not my people. They don’t look like me. Many don’t speak english. The Latino people do not look like Salma Hayek or Selena, they look like Indian dwarfs or the Iron Sheik. You can walk the streets in some parts and its just like being in a Central American country.

What “most whites” do doesn’t really concern me. There are 500K WNs in the US – these are the best of the white race. After 60+ years of warning, a man would have to be blind or foolish to not see what is going to occur. The information has been out there.

The whites who are smart and strong enough will do what their instinct dictates, which is live around their own. We’ll find a way to make it work. If we can land a man on the moon and explore the bottom of the ocean, surely we can do this. How? Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

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Jacob Ian Stalk June 20, 2012 at 18:21

If this is so (and I suppose it is), an interesting question might be “where will white (red pill) men stand if ever it comes to a choice between men’s rights and survival of their race?”

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piercedhead June 20, 2012 at 18:26

It’s funny how quickly the world changes.

Not that long ago, everyone agreed that the strength of Western economies was a result of the freedoms enjoyed in the West. When problems arose, free individuals were able to make decisions to respond to those problems. They could hire and fire whoever they liked. They could hunker down personally and cut domestic spending. They could reduce their wife’s allowance, and pull their kids out of expensive schools.

Now, all those particular freedoms are going or gone. There is a lot less anyone can do now unilaterally to address their individual problems. And what do you know, our economies are tanking.

Yet you will not hear in any public discourse that freedom and prosperity are linked.

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greyghost June 20, 2012 at 18:27

Obama isn’t black as we know anyway. I think he thinks very lowly of american blacks. First off he isn’t one hell he may not even be american. He knows those ignorant asses are going to vote for him anyway so he waste no resources on the black vote. No liberal politician or government official does. He says i got something free for you and rich white people are going to pay for it. He gets a trillion dollars and puts it in state government unions womens issues, and renewable energy companies that most likely don’t have one black face in them. The fact that he and the democratic party can do that and still get the black vote just adds to the contempt the whole party has for black people in general. As i said before his church of REV Wright was not about shaming white people it was about keeping his flock of ignorant negros on the plantation. obama is just an elitist solalist and rev Wright was an is a useful idiot.

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Rebel June 20, 2012 at 18:43

“where will white (red pill) men stand if ever it comes to a choice between men’s rights and survival of their race?”

I call that being caught between a rock and a hard place.
Honestly, I have no idea as to what could bring up such a choice.
Personally, I think I would chose men’s rights over race.

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W.F. Price June 20, 2012 at 18:49

If this is so (and I suppose it is), an interesting question might be “where will white (red pill) men stand if ever it comes to a choice between men’s rights and survival of their race?”

-Jacob

Well, I just don’t see where this would come up. I mean, do we need to choose between being servile dogs to our women or ethnic extinction?

Who seriously thinks this?

JeremiahMRA June 20, 2012 at 19:07

The point is that white men who continue to cater to minorities who hate whites and claim victimhood, yet simultaneously claim to be “men’s rights activists”, are only digging themselves in a hole, as they are no better than feminists. The only way white men shall thrive is if they realize equality is a sham – women are inferior, and certain races are superior. Otherwise they face not only being servile dogs to their women, but the subsequent ethnic extinction that can only result from letting women lead.

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JeremiahMRA June 20, 2012 at 19:10

One example of a non-white male who pretends to be a men’s rights advocate yet is little more than a racist who hates whites is Barbarossaaaa. That’s why he avoids any conversation regarding Leftism, the true enmy of men’s rights, as that would expose his racism against whites and his desire to be a victim.

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JeremiahMRA June 20, 2012 at 19:14

The strange thing is white men are so smart, yet they are so fucking stupid when it comes to understanding women and their inherent inferiority. I think whites are far too prone to the liberal idea of equality for their own good. Some theorize Neanderthals were destroyed for similar reasons – they were just too idealistic.

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Cynical Youth June 20, 2012 at 19:20

I agree with the article but with a corollary: while young white males will lean heavily right-wing, they will also increasingly drop out of politics altogether rather than endorse the Republicans.

Republicans simply won’t have the political will to endorse white males and especially younger white males because of how strong of an influence older whites steeped in traditional morality have in the party. They’ll shame young white males just like Democrats, if for “slackerhood” rather than for being white, without bothering to look into the legal/social/economic reality young white males face that makes slackerhood rational.

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greyghost June 20, 2012 at 19:22

Welmer you are right, it is as if none of these men here asking the question have even learned a thing about what they have discussed here over the last year or so.
When feminism dies the panic will set in and that white pussy will be more than happy to be your wife on your terms. Infact just the idea of white men throwing off guilt and kicking ass is a gina tingler right there. Just get involved see how the catholic church is throwing off feminism join it and ad to the red pill vibe of the place any woman still there is ready. Just kick ass as a man and let your whiteness speak for itself.
(If this don’t beat all a black dude giving advice on MRA white nationalism. Welmer you do have a diverse crowd)

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JeremiahMRA
Your words are mean and hurtful. ha ha ha ha

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greyghost June 20, 2012 at 19:42

You haven’t been paying attention to my post to even think Im liberal.

Also you have nothing to add to the movement. Most of the shit talk on others blogs is just arrogant anonoymous bullying to give yourself a sense of superiority.Real courage is from the various men that come here to learn and comment to add ideas and to make conversation with other men on political and solcial issues. Men that have been at it for a long time like Zed have spoken of guys like yourself that have gone out of their way to destroy any dialog and conversation. The real work is done outside of here in personal conversations and the day to day practice of ideas learned here through converstion.
Guys like you don’t run things like you used to. Men can sense things are different. so keep talking shit you are a joke and can be seen for what you are.

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W.F. Price June 20, 2012 at 19:43

They’re true, gregyhost. As usual, you don’t refute them, instead resorting to personal attacks, like the Leftist mangina you are.

-J

Jay, greyghost is far from a “leftist mangina.” That’s just not true. Please think a bit before throwing that kind of insult around.

3DShooter June 20, 2012 at 19:50

@Welmer

“It’s a simple matter of pandering, and it works. But how well does it work, and for how long will it continue to work?”

And that is the essence of politics . . . I guess I’m one of the 20% you mention. Dad (who raised me and my sister) was a die hard ‘D’ and a shop steward in his union. In my younger years I leaned that way, but dad gave me opportunities he never had and with education and more prosperity than he’d ever known I started leaning ‘R’ during the Ronnie RayGun years. But, like the hypocrisy of religion had many years earlier had done, the hypocrisy of politics became ever more evident. If I had to choose, which I choose not to, it would be small ‘l’ libertarian/minarchist. In the end, I simply choose not to consent to being governed by a corrupt system by participating in it. Coerced by it, most definitely, a participant in the coercion – no.

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Jim June 20, 2012 at 19:55

Any man of any race who votes for PROGRESSIVES, the modern democratic party, is voting against his own interest. We do not need a strictly white male voting bloc. We need a male one. Men now are manipulated to hate each other merely because of the all competitive nature of everything in this country even though they are really ending up with scraps. That includes women. And women vote by in large for what? The subjugation of all men whether through taxation or laws. Straight, gay, black, white, Latino, all men. Screw the “two” party system. It’s actually one big party with two facets. And both facets are not our ally. The recent passing of NDAA is proof of that.

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@3DShooter

My dad and grandpa were the same — both Teamsters. My mom’s still a democrat. So’s my stepdad. It doesn’t bother me, and actually as a single, urban male, the dems might be more beneficial to me, personally. But objectively speaking I can see the writing on the wall, and the future of my demographic (urban white guys) is pretty dim. Most of my friends here are childless, so it’s pretty clear where things are headed. And I don’t live here entirely out of choice. I would have left the city years ago if it were up to me, but in one of those strange quirks of fate I had to stay to hold the remainder of my family together.

But it’s OK; Seattle’s a beautiful place as far as cities go. And I’ve made a sort of peace with it and the nutty liberals here. The neighbors like and trust me, despite my “different” opinions. And my Euro gf likes the city (reminds her of Scandinavia). Not a terrible deal.

greyghost June 20, 2012 at 20:03

JeremiahMRA
There is no point to argue about. I have explained what you are doing and my response is to not entertain it. There is no logical refutation.
To be honest and using your own words you are actually acting just like a bitch yourself. It is really strange too. Women and cops act like that to get a fight started.
So best I can do is respond for other commenters reading this stuff so maybe they will have an idea on how to ignore guys like you. I guess that has been your best contribution.

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greenlander June 20, 2012 at 20:09

Fascinating analysis, Bill.

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W.F. Price June 20, 2012 at 20:11

You might be right, Bill, perhaps I should have just called him a bitch. Most bitches tend to be Leftist manginas, but it’s quite possible greyghost only has a tinge of Leftist mangina in him.

-J

Well, Jay, I have a soft spot for Greyghost because I see another man who loves his kids and has put up with a lot of crap to be there for them. Maybe you’ve got some other issues with him, but for me, as a father, it’s hard to see him as anything other than an ally with a common cause.

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 20:21

Ryu/Rebel:
I’m sort of between Ryu’s optimism and Rebel’s pessimism on this point. I think that Ryu is correct about the awareness of white Americans being among the more intelligent, and that his movement is mostly made of survivors. But the rest of white America is pretty much toast. It’s not even mathematically possible that whites can maintain a cultural dominance if they are unable to reproduce. That’s 100% the fault of white American women.

On the other hand, the white race is not headed for oblivion in Europe, nor are the NWO guys going to succeed with promoting their globalist/feminist agendas. You won’t read it in the US news, but we have an ally: President Vladimir Putin of Russia.

I’ve been following Putin for a long time, and he’s fully aware of the globalist/feminist agenda and he’s fighting back. After a recent summit in China, the indications are that he’s pretty well won over the Chinese leadership to the realization that the globalist/feminist NWO poses a threat to China as well as Russia. He’s been reaching out to India, the Moslems, and western Europe. The recent events in Libya have completely disillusioned a large part of the world as to what the intentions of the crackpots in our government really are.

It looks bad for us now, but it’s not over by a long shot.

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 20:25

Anon Reader:
No, I’m not wrong about Hispanics, but it looks like we’re talking about two different things. The population along the borders that you and Ryu mentioned are generally composed of the people who couldn’t survive in Latin America—so they came here. There is a HUGE difference between them and the people who are actually live and work in Latin America.

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JFinn June 20, 2012 at 20:29

Can the NMRAs(Nazi MRAs) who don’t wish for the MRM to include all men open their own camp and leave us alone? Thanks.

Back to topic, I think we will have a parliament before the 2 parties become radically race-based. Social issues will never dim and thankfully people within each race are greatly divided on these.

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 20:29

Greenlander:
Haven’t heard from you in awhile! Last I read from you, you were in China. Are you back in the states now?

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 20:35

Price:
‘I don’t live here entirely out of choice.’

A lot of us don’t—LOL. Seattle is really friendly only to perverts, drug-addicts, crazies, and welfare-slugs from what I’ve seen of it mostly. The local women completely suck.

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3DShooter June 20, 2012 at 20:37

@Welmer

“But it’s OK; Seattle’s a beautiful place as far as cities go. And I’ve made a sort of peace with it and the nutty liberals here. The neighbors like and trust me, despite my “different” opinions.”

I have to agree with you that Seattle is a very nice place. Of all the big cities I’ve been too it is probably the best.

The part about the neighbors being accepting is an important component. I find much of that here too, despite being one of the ‘reddest’ of the ‘red states’. Truly libertarian-ism in practice which is why I feel gov’t should be small and close.

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"The One" June 20, 2012 at 20:39

I don’t agree with the overall anti-white tone. Black women, colored women, all sorts of minority women get lots of goodies too.

Also, you only have to go to the clubs to realize that the informal kind of affirmative action has hit white men the hardest. For white men to return the favor of race betrayal against white women is a bad idea. Only Feminists should be punished.

In general, whites should behave like anyone else, looking out for our own interests. No other racial groups are trying to transcend their race.

White people are imploding because of a cultivated, acculturated, socially-conditioned sense of guilt for being so awesome.

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Huck Finn June 20, 2012 at 20:48

I reflected upon the Garden of Eden story after I read this piece. Eve, representing women, was used by one side that seeks to divide and conquer. Eve, like modern day women, have been used to divide and corrupt the traditional American society and culture, and bring about a Fall. It’s not a perfect metaphor and yet whether the Bible consists of true literal events or man created stories about people they do reflect accurately upon life’s lessons.

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Paradoxotaur June 20, 2012 at 20:48

@W.F.: “The neighbors like and trust me, despite my “different” opinions. And my Euro gf likes the city (reminds her of Scandinavia). Not a terrible deal.”

Glad to hear it, Welmer.

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Sun June 20, 2012 at 20:53

@ “The One”

While I detest those who use their own race for the lack of personal accomplishment (even though I agree that the West is accomplished which is why it is what it is), I loathe the idiots who forget what they are, or think they’re the exception, and laud around celebrating their demise.

Trust me, nothing is DUMBER then watching a white liberal talk about how privileged and evil white people are, how he is so happy that white people will soon be a minority, and sit there as if he is the most enlightened being on the planet.

It is a stupidity that is SO strong; and yet, it SO spread throughout that it is actually scary.

The guilt is really disgusting honestly, and I finally see where the other side is coming from in many ways.

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"The One" June 20, 2012 at 20:53

W.F. Price wrote “Nevertheless, white men did their best to extend every favor minorities received to white females as well.”

Feminism is affirmative action in favor of females in general, not white females only.

Feminism is not about white men helping white women by placing them as a minority class. It’s white women betraying white men by joining the anti-white-male coalition.

Minorities welcomed white women into the coalition in order to give them a designated role player to confront white men. White women were the best suited for taking down white men of high status.

I keep seeing minority men trying to make it sound like Feminism isn’t an anti-white movement. It’s intimately related to Marxism, to anticolonialism, and thereby it is aligned against the colonial powers of Europe, i.e. white people.

Yes Feminism is anti-white. Thankfully, East Asians have not joined this anti-white coalition. Latinos haven’t got much to gain from Feminism either.

Mostly Feminism is an ideological weapon of passive aggression, to be utilized in personally, by bureaucrats, in government, primarily by blacks against whites. Sometimes other minorities join in the fun, but none of the other minorities are as committed as the blacks to Feminism.

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"The One" June 20, 2012 at 21:06

The best allies of white men are the Arabs and East Asians. Muslims are taking it on the chin from Feminism. Muslims are also the most outstanding in defiance of Feminism.

East Asians have also suffered a great deal of humilation from Feminism. I think white men are finally getting to be about as sick of Feminism as anyone can be.

I don’t want to sound too bigoted, but it seems like blacks are the last ones to catch on that Feminism is a dead end for every kind of man. Regardless, a lot of black men sure have enjoyed the humilation that Feminism has brought upon white men.

But what burns the white man ultimately burns every kind of man. If they can bandy about the idea of taking President Clinton’s pants down to examine his genitalia, if they can throw Moshe Katsav from the Presidency of Israel into prison based on an anonymous woman’s word alone, all men should tremble.

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Anon June 20, 2012 at 21:13

If there’s any white man who believes that the republicans represent his interests, he’s sadly mistaken. With one hand republicans open the border, taking away lower paying jobs. With the other hand, they want more H1B Chinese and Indians, removing the higher paid jobs…
- Ryu (above)

This is completely true; I can’t understand why so many guys fall for the Republican branding scheme. The words that come out of Republican politicians sound good, but they have sold their legislative votes to the wealthiest investors and corporations in the world.

Why can’t we insist that Republican lawmakers not only TALK but also MAKE LAWS that support our values?

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greyghost June 20, 2012 at 21:21

JeremiahMRA
Ok what solutions do you have. All i have seen you do is try and pick somebody to dog. Today it is my turn. You are right there is a solution to this and we are slowly working on it. one of the things i have found is that the MRM and men in general are not a monolithic herd.
I don’t what your goals are but if the end game to you is submissive wives, guilt free white men, male superiority,a patriarchy etc you are an idiot. my goal is an end to the laws of misandry. I don’t give a shit about the rest of it. with out the laws of misandry it will quickly take of itself. If we can’t agree on this one thing then we have nothing to discuss.
Let me me know where you are.

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Charles Martel June 20, 2012 at 21:27

JeremiahMRA
Those of you who prefer personal attacks to logical discussion would do well to learn what it means to be a man.

You’re an ass. You have no idea who’s present in our little community, yet you’re ready to tell us all how to be men. Well, I’ll tell you who comes across like a man – Greyghost. You, on the other hand, come across like a narcissistic jerk. Which is, I’m sure, what you are.

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"The One" June 20, 2012 at 21:44

JeremiahMRA wrote: “The point is that white men who continue to cater to minorities who hate whites and claim victimhood, yet simultaneously claim to be “men’s rights activists”, are only digging themselves in a hole, as they are no better than feminists.”

This is true.

JeremiahMRA wrote: “The only way white men shall thrive is if they realize equality is a sham – women are inferior, and certain races are superior.”

I won’t go there with you. A woman’s place is half a step behind her man. Certain cultures are obviously superior in many objectively measurable ways. But I’m not willing to follow along on declaring races superior or inferior.

JeremiahMRA wrote: “Otherwise they [superior men] face not only being servile dogs to their women, but the subsequent ethnic extinction that can only result from letting women lead.”

Leave out the racial supremacy. It’s enough to acknowledge the cultural superiority the indices of which are objectively measurable. It’s not easy to separate culture from the races which have given rise to them.

Reality is racist enough, we don’t need declarations of plain old racial supremacy stinking up the men’s rights movement. As soon as the leaders of men declare racial supremacy, the Feminists win.

Aside from technological superiority, and the many measurable indices of cultural superiority, the contemporary culture of whites has an obvious deficiency – Feminism. Other races tend to suffer less from this cultural affliction. The longer whites embrace Feminism, the more inferior we become.

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walking in hell June 20, 2012 at 21:45

“But its not the average citizen, or even the average white man, that matters. Democracy has failed. It’s one elite group against the other. ”

Ditto.

The competition for the job of president is nothing more than a competition for the house negro job. The massas of both democrats and republicans are the same–the extremely wealthy, the elite, the new world order, etc.

The difference between democrats and republicans is simply who they market to, in order to in order to maintain the “perception” of being different.

What white men, black men, brown men, and yellow men need to remember is that by virtue of being men, we are being eliminated or enslaved. Enslaved by federal, state, and local systems. As the systems become hungrier, they will devour white men and yellow men at an increasing rate, as they have already devoured yellow and brown men.

For white men going forward, the most disturbing trend they are going to see is their rights completely removed as were the rights of black men. It won’t be enough for a white man to become completely subservient to women; he will have his children and property ripped away from him at an increasing rate, and be incarcerated at an increasing rate.

Because us white men are cowards, you can expect to see more white men pointing the finger at other white men in hopes of saving ourselves.

In short as things get worse, expect white men to behave worse than rats to one another; as the ship is sinking they will do all they can to reach the highest points on the masts.

Remember, all men are potential terrorists, rapists, murderers abusers, pedophiles, tax cheats, lazy good for nothings, etc. In the past, being a white man was a ticket to having rights and staying out of trouble, but in the future that will not be the case. The future for all American men of all color is Stalinism–Slavery or incarceration. The future of America is Louisiana.

The trends show this to be the case.

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"The One" June 20, 2012 at 21:58

walking in hell wrote: “Because us white men are cowards, you can expect to see more white men pointing the finger at other white men in hopes of saving ourselves.”

Speak for yourself, Kimosabe.

walking in hell wrote: “In the past, being a white man was a ticket to having rights and staying out of trouble, but in the future that will not be the case.”

You’re a subscriber to the idea of “white privilege”. Newsflash – white men didn’t just receive a ticket at birth for exclusive access to civil rights. White men built the system of adversarial law, including presumed innocence, the right to face your accuser, by which everyone enjoys civil rights.

Feminists are taking us back to the days before the Constitution and even before the Magna Carta. Give white men some credit. There was no higher authority to hand out “white privilege”.

White men made that happen for ourselves first, obviously. It’s just a testament to how awesome and praiseworthy some of us are. (Not you, obviously.)

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walking in hell June 20, 2012 at 22:01

The future of America for a man is easy to see.

The owners of federal, state, and local governments–the NWO, elites, the supra-wealthy–will pressure their governments to put pressure on the slave class–you and I. That pressure will translate into increased taxation and incarceration, through a variety of false excuses.

In the past, being a white man kept you out of prison and slavery, in the future it won’t.

Those of us who have lost our children in slave court (family court) live as slaves and know what real slavery is. We know how the system will look for excuses to punish you, whether you are doing the right thing or not.

America is a sick country for a man. There is no fixing it.

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jaego June 20, 2012 at 22:03

Remember if a Muslim is beating you, you don’t have the right to defend yourself. But you do have the right to beg for mercy. Countless Whites converted to Islam after 9/11. As Osama Bin Ladin said, if you see a strong horse and a weak horse, you will like the strong one better.

American Whites are slaves seeking Masters. I realized the depth of it after 9/11 when Americans were acutally kissing Muslim Ass and the Muslims were using the Tragedy to preach and convert. So get ready to bow down to your “allies” Dhimmi.

Just read the other day – Russia is 19% Muslim. They’re even farther gone than most of Western Europe. What a disaster. Bill O’Reilly says it’s only fair to let the Mexican kids stay. What a joke. When are we going to start being fair to ourselves? If we want to be “fair” we should give up America and go back to Europe since we took this continent by force. Either accept it or crawl away into the darkness. For those who choose Life, you already have your Uniform – now get busy. We’re not going to be able to keep all of America so let’s pick our spot(s). The Northwest is the best.

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W.F. Price June 20, 2012 at 22:10

Just read the other day – Russia is 19% Muslim. They’re even farther gone than most of Western Europe. What a disaster.

-Jaego

It’s been that way for hundreds of years. You think Central Asia and the Caucasus have always been Orthodox Christian? Russia’s got so many Muslims because they conquered them.

The real idiots are the ones who invited them in — like the British, Dutch and French.

jaego June 20, 2012 at 23:06

Ok, but they’re weren’t millions of them living in Moscow all this time. The Cossacks used to keep them in line down there in the South.

Glad you aren’t falling in with the all men are going to unite against women crap. The Muslims have their women under control and where they don’t – it’s our fault and the answer is more Islam. The Leftists in Europe are playing with fire if they think they can allie with these people and then come out on top. Anyway, it just seems utterly goofy or “gay” to me; the kind of thing that guys dressed up as Indians talking about their feeling would believe after they drumed and hugged themselves into a tizzy. See Jack Donovan’s blistering critique of the early mythopoetic phase with Robert Bly.

Mature warrior cultures do value refinement, courtesy, and the arts. But soft guys who have those can’t call themselves warriors – they haven’t done the work. Bly realized this at a theoretical level but what could he do? That’s the guys who came to him and he wasn’t one either though a fine scholar. I liked his writing about poetry more than his poems.

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W.F. Price June 20, 2012 at 23:13

The Cossacks used to keep them in line down there in the South.

-Jaego

Oh, but they still do. The Chechens didn’t go down without a fight, yet still they lost — badly.

Prof. Woland June 20, 2012 at 23:33

One reason Denmark took a turn right was that muslim immigrants were out compeating the liberals (including feminist) for first place at the public trough. 5% of the population was consuming an ever increasing slice of the pie. Prior to that the liberals and immigrants always voted left of center but once the libs realized that their future was not so hot they jumped ship.

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dicipres June 20, 2012 at 23:42

Great analysis and great post.

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Poiuyt June 21, 2012 at 00:31

But whom is niggerizing the whiteman into dhimmitude and kaffirdom today, if not the whiteman himself ?

White man is not racist, so that when the white woman demands special rights and privileges for herself, the white man is compelled to institute such rights and privileges for all women … But this democratic and unbiased elevation of all women, none of whom really deserve it, costs inordinate amounts in treasure and resources.

Compounding these observations is the fact that for every undeserving woman whom hits the genderist-state jackpot, there are thousands of other women, also undeserving, that rightly get nothing but blowback. These ones merely multiply the bastardy, thuggery, hoodlumism, crookery, recidevisy and abject misery by their hypergammy.

And yet there remains on the public inventory and purse, a standing army of bureaucrats, jurists, judges, jailers, social workers, police, victims advocates and rent seeking legislators provoking and goading these women to more self destruction. How else will these jobsworths and careerists ever justify themselves or get paid wages if not by heroically creating femaleist pandemonium and genderist upheavals to heroically manage ?

The inordinate resources and cash amounts going into structuring the systems and institutions to elevate all these women are to be paid for by taxing, enslaving, abusing and violating all men, a majority of whom are white.

Doesn’t shit come back around fast ?

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greenlander June 21, 2012 at 00:52

Greenlander:
Haven’t heard from you in awhile! Last I read from you, you were in China. Are you back in the states now?

I’ve been doing a ton of traveling. At the moment I’m in Russia. It’s a refreshing change from the feminism back home.

I usually read this site and others in the manosphere every day, although I seldom post unless I feel like I have something to add to the discussion… honestly, I don’t know where our host gets the energy to write so much…

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ralph gorman June 21, 2012 at 01:21

I agree with Jeremiah MRA. So did our founding fathers, by the way.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 02:32

Greenlander:
I’ve been thinking of doing some travelling soon myself. Just getting away from American women changes your whole outlook on life.

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Robert Griffith June 21, 2012 at 02:37

Very good article Mr Price. I really enjoy reading your site.

I found myself nodding in agreement while reading this grade A assessment of racial/gender political affiliation. White males in general have been far too accepting of the white female. The white female has in many ways become a parasite. Choosing political alliances as she goes along seeing what is most advantageous to her.

I can say unequivically that the most anti-white male creature I have ever come across has been the white urban female. Years ago when I was going to University I had the misfortune of taking a gender studies course as a elective. Being a 22 year old fresh out of the Marines I was without a doubt the most reviled character in the class.

With my short hair, my masculine demeanor, and values that belonged to a past generation I was the target of many snide remarks. Ironically, it was the white females that were the worst, followed by the latinas in their hatred of the white man. The few black dudes in the class didn’t say one thing badly about white males the entire semester. They, along with the Asian and Indian girls seemed bored with the whole fiasco. Whereas the white females would give their daily opinion in regards to the short coming of white boys, and white guys. Rarely did I ever hear white females refer to white males as white men. It was always boys, or guys. Just something to think about.

Needless to say I never finished University. And I am better for it. I instead went to tradeschool and picked up a useful trade. A trade that has allowed my to relocate to Australia and make a very nice living for myself.

Now to be sure, my opinion of the white female in no way stems from this ONE experience. I have had probably hundreds of similar experiences when dealing with white females in every day situations. To add to that, I feel it necessary to state that I have always found it easy to meet and romance females of all races. I don’t say that to brag or boast, but only to illustrate that their treeatment of me did not stem from me appearing “weird”, or “creepy” or anything else. But instead from a rawer deeper hostility of what they thought I stood for.

Eventually I did settle down and marry. I married a wonderful Middle Eastern woman (Lebanese) that I love more than anything in the world. (Except for our children obviously) There can be cultural misunderstandings at times, but the joy and happiness I have found in her arms far exceeds any I have ever found with a white female.

The experiences I have had with women of other races has been a major contributor as to why I could never, and would never be a white Nationalist. To be a White Nationalist I would have to agree to the idea that white females are the supreme form of womanhood. From first hand experience I know that this notion is laughable. In fact I find white females on average to be rather detestable.

Now I know there are many white nationalist that read this blog, and quite a few white nationalists that post here. I can spot them from a mile away merely by reading in between the lines of their posts. That is there choice, and they are free to feel as they do. I can definitely understand why many white males have white nationalist leanings. In this modern day society, many of the ills of society are placed at our feet.

However in closing, my advice to any white male seeking to settle down is to not be so quick to dismiss women of other races. Their are many beautiful woman of all ethnicities. The wide array of possible mates for a young man who has his sh*t together is unending. And I am not talking about mail order brides. When a white male marries a foreign female white females looooooooooooove to accuse him of marrying a mail order bride. This is just another shaming tactic to keep the plebes in line. My wife comes from a family that is wealthier than my own. As do several women that I know whom are married to western men.

I know this was a long rant. However I don’t post very often. I do read the site regularly though. I fing the articles, and commentary here to be grade A through and through.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 02:55

JeremiahMRA:
Let’s talk candidly about solutions, whining/complaining, and getting things done.

I’ve often compared the situation men are in now in America to the French Underground in WW2. The Feminazis have the guns, the courts, the police, the media, the schools—in short, they’re the ones holding all the cards.

The French Underground wasn’t led by unmanly men. Like the MRM, it was made up of men who were tortured in Gestapo dungeons; falsely accused; socially stigmatized; spied on by collaborationists; and otherwise harassed by the system. These men likely felt like taking direct action of some kind—but under the circumstances, they also knew direct action was the suicidal course, and that benefits no one.

The reason they won in the end was because they believed in their cause and had the patience to wait it out until they were strong enough to take France back again.

The point is, on the surface it doesn’t look like we’re accomplishing much, but that is because information about our actual successes is being controlled by our enemies. Have patience. We may or may not win, but the fight wasn’t of our choosing. The important thing is not to self-destruct or we have no hope of winning.

More and more men read what is being posted here and elsewhere every day; the more men who get wise to what’s going on, the weaker the enemy becomes. Here they see that they have allies. You don’t realize how important that fact alone is. Men brought up in our culture are taught to feel alone and isolated. Reading our posts, they see that is a cultural lie; and learn to recognize other cultural lies.

It’s a slow battle. I really read more frustration in your posts than anger or hostility. That’s understandable. But frustration can lead to rash behavior and words—we need cool heads now and the ability to work together. Donovan’s right: it is us vs. them. But an army of one is going to get obliterated quickly.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 02:57

Robert Griffith:
Great post. BTW, a friend of mine is married to a Lebanese woman; you don’t have to sell me on their qualities!

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Ode June 21, 2012 at 03:02

Sun says

Trust me, nothing is DUMBER then watching a white liberal talk about how privileged and evil white people are, how he is so happy that white people will soon be a minority, and sit there as if he is the most enlightened being on the planet.

That’s part of the college curriculum. It’s mandatory studying!

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evilwhitemalempire June 21, 2012 at 03:24

off topic but had to post

single mom raised fuckwits bully senior citizens

feminists, your handywork has just reached an all time low

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/greece-school-district-bullied-footage-causes-outrage_n_1612925.html?1340215853&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl5%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D171676

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freebird June 21, 2012 at 04:53

@ralph gorman
“I agree with Jeremiah MRA. So did our founding fathers, by the way.”

I used to consider his posts with sincerity,but with the personal attacks I just scroll on by now.
His signal to noise ratio is past my filters.
@Mr.Price-the best thing about this site is the hands off approach to all discussion,but it seems to me at a certain point the infighting and personal attacks will need moderation.

If you need a moderator let me know, I will volunteer and provide a genuine mail address,rather than the dead drop I use to post here.
Policy would be either one or tow warnings,then the banhammer.

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Peace Debts June 21, 2012 at 04:56

Eric June 20, 2012 at 20:21
“You won’t read it in the US news, but we have an ally: President Vladimir Putin of Russia.”

Your kind has many “allies”: Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, Kim-Jong-un, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Robert Mugabe, Charles Blé Goudé…

“I’ve been following Putin for a long time, and he’s fully aware of the globalist/feminist agenda and he’s fighting back.”

Try following official North Korean or Iranian press releases, they are even more “fully aware”. Even more fun is to read Hugo Chavez’s speeches and conversations.

“After a recent summit in China, the indications are that he’s pretty well won over the Chinese leadership to the realization that the globalist/feminist NWO poses a threat to China as well as Russia. He’s been reaching out to India, the Moslems, and western Europe. The recent events in Libya have completely disillusioned a large part of the world as to what the intentions of the crackpots in our government really are.”

As he watched the eyeless face with the jaw moving rapidly up and down, Winston had a curious feeling that this was not a real human being but some kind of dummy. It was not the man’s brain that was speaking, it was his larynx. The stuff that was coming out of him consisted of words, but it was not speech in the true sense: it was a noise uttered in unconsciousness, like the quacking of a duck.

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Opus June 21, 2012 at 05:12

I had not felt it appropriate to comment on this thread and neither did I have any view, however, I cannot allow one small matter of history to pass unchallenged: Eric says, comparing the MRM to the French Resistance in WW2 (Freedom Fighters or Terrorists depending on your allegiances) that the reason they won in the end was… ‘they had the patience to wait it out until they were strong enough to take France back again’. It’s a lovely idea, but entirely overlooks Operation Overlord where American and Allied troops invaded Normandy from 6th June 1944 and bit by bit conquered France. Hollywood tends to play fast and loose with history but I believe that the 1962 film The Longest Day gives a fair appreciation of the facts, unless anyone knows otherwise.

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LifestylesContempoMega June 21, 2012 at 06:04

The Democrats will have difficulties herding the various cats of their coalition toward anything resembling a common goal. However, I place no hope whatsoever in the GOP to act in the interest of men generally or white men in particular.

Was it in the interest of the average American man for his government to rack up huge amounts of debt to do something like invading Iraq? I thought that was lunacy. And yet, today’s GOP seems eager to do the same damn thing in Iran.

Something like the Paul Ryan budget is an embarrassment that would seem to make it even tougher for younger men to afford marriage and family. Most of its focus is on quelling potential rage from the AARP crowd.

So, to make a sad story short, I think we’re pretty much screwed. To a clearheaded American man, the Democrats are poison in a flask. But the GOP, at best, is poison in a flask with a smiley face on it, so at least you don’t think of poison as you gulp it down…

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Charles Martel June 21, 2012 at 06:21

Eric
The point is, on the surface it doesn’t look like we’re accomplishing much……….More and more men read what is being posted here and elsewhere every day; the more men who get wise to what’s going on, the weaker the enemy becomes. Here they see that they have allies. You don’t realize how important that fact alone is. Men brought up in our culture are taught to feel alone and isolated. Reading our posts, they see that is a cultural lie; and learn to recognize other cultural lies.

That’s it, Eric. There will be no extravagant taxpayer-funded Washington lobbies for the MRM. But we don’t need them. This movement, such as it is, is about spreading information and changing minds one at a time. This seems so blatantly obvious to me I really don’t understand those who repeatedly criticize the lack of direct action. In this case, the communication IS the action.

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American June 21, 2012 at 07:27

The Uber liberal White Gender-Raunch community will only continue their existence by Debauching the younger generation. They have been extremely effective at this because Gender-Raunch has a near monopoly on main stream “pop television”.
With their near complete control of “Pop television”, they are slowly constructing a homosexual / Transvestite normative structure.
I personally don’t watch “pop television”, as i find it too Raunchy, vulgar and distasteful. It seems im not alone, as im witnessing a proliferation of reality TV, which is real and not “Manufactured Raunch” from the Gender-Raunch constructionist community.

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American June 21, 2012 at 07:35

Ode,…. I also find that interesting that the White Gender-Raunch community like to attack white people, But their whole Gender-Raunch lifestyle is rooted and promoted by mostly white people, (at least the uber liberal white people).
Gender-Raunch say they can’t wait till whites are a minority, but when whites are a minority the “Gender-Raunch” construction may also lose the near monopoly status it holds on “pop television”.

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Skadhi the Raverner June 21, 2012 at 07:37

Both Republicans and Democrats are hostile to whites including white males, when the same people control both sides of the debate, and they’re hostile to the rest of us, its lose-lose for everyone except them.

I’d like to comment on this though.

“White men have done more to enfranchise white females than women themselves.”

This happened socially too, didn’t it? Who benefitted from the abolition of traditional sexual mores encouraging females not to be promiscuous.

Whether its sexualised dress or reproductive rights, good women lose out to both bad men and feminists.

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pb June 21, 2012 at 08:17

“It’s a not a long shot at all. Feminists are fanatics and will change their colors whenever it’s expedient. Look at the rise of the ‘strong woman’ in the Tea Party and other circles; and the blatant anti-MRM stances by conservatives like Thomas Fleming. Feminism is simply dropping its ‘radfem’ mask, because it’s no longer useful—and adopting the ‘socon’ mask instead.”

Feminists, though perhaps not as radical as those who have become ensconced in the Democratic party, have been welcome in the Republican party for a long time – they were the ones pushing for feminist legislation. They may be pro-life but they will not cede political power or give up egalitarianism. As for the paleocons like Fleming, they’re just suspicious of movements as solutions – that doesn’t make them feminist. They would rather see localized action than anything that would give more power to the state or solidify it.

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pb June 21, 2012 at 08:17

One could almost say that Fleming would be more sympathetic to the MGTOW strategy.

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Firepower June 21, 2012 at 08:45

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Firepower June 21, 2012 at 08:53

greyghost

Welmer you are right, it is as if none of these men here asking the question have even learned a thing about what they have discussed here over the last year or so.

I’ve been here since 2008/2009 – it’s gotten worse. Mr. Price does the journalistic legwork of presenting the info – and instead of formulating A PLAN the response is “yeah, women suck! we should… I wish yadayada.”

When feminism dies the panic will set in …

Dies says you?

They’ve won. I’m sure the BigVoteDown will hit from all the DENIALISTS, but have you taken a LOOK at the feminists on the Supreme Court? Sonia Sotomayor, Ginsberg Elena Kagan?
http://www.supremecourt.gov/about/members.aspx

Oh, and who’s inside running the white house?
Feminism is waning – not dying – because it’s ACCOMPLISHED all its objectives – just like the US Army “died” after WW2 and came home – to celebrate victory.

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Plasma_Lance June 21, 2012 at 09:05

@ welmer
I would be interested to see an exploration of race/demographic in peoples choice of career or degree (given how difficult its become to get a career in ones field). To me that will probably have an increasingl significant influence on male politics if the economy fails to recover relatively quickly. my father points out that in our economy you have way too many people arguing over and trying to extract money from property yet too few people actually producing the things others are fighting over. I realized it was true when i listened to my old highschool friends (we went to science/tech focused hs) griping over the lack of employment especially in the city. (ny) simply because hard science and advancement has taken a back burner to social work, law, and whipping up the froth of finance. A lucky one (degree in aero engineering) landed a job as am analyst at goldman sachs because engineers are nitpicky with efficiency and numbers. Other (male) colleagues have a visible frustration, and are too busy tryin to work to be bothered with politics. They see that they are looked over for management positioms on favor of females, and that if a woman wants to work in a hard science field employers jump to hire her. when they hear feminist rhetoric or women talking about how hard things are theu zone out knowing better than to argue. These are young white, asian, black, and latino men, they all agree “bitches are crazy, all they do is complain. they are increasingly suspicious of current politics. Many young immigrants i know take obamas executove order with a grain of salt, they see it as preelection pandering to the latino community, a fund raiser (most undocumented workers pay taxes ina sincere belief that it will help their case) as increased income prospects will generate mpre tax revenue, and a way to register large amounts of illegals with the us govt. The more educated minorities see that young white men are in similar boat just on the otherside of the river, and many in beliefs lean toward being conservative, but the ineffectiveness of both parties has them dropping out of politics, or only listening to those key buzzwords that relate enough to them.

ps: first time posting sorry for rambling on.

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keyster June 21, 2012 at 09:11

The key issue is and always has been, that the Men’s Movement can’t even agree who the opposition is. Many just simply say it’s all women in general regardless. Others think it’s either/or both political parties. Then of course those that believe it’s just feminists and feminism. If you can’t properly identify your opposition, how do you develop a narrative and better organize?

Feminists co-opted the Civil Rights Movement and eventually the Democrat Party, based primarily around “reproductive rights” (legalized abortion). If Men by definition are self reliant, responsible individuals, independent rather than dependent – by nature; wouldn’t it make sense that they align themselves with the Republican Party and/or Conservatism, rather than the Party of Women and Liberalism?

If the MRM can’t agree on that much, it’s forever doomed to remain on the lunatic fringe of social movements. As long as Liberal/MRA’s refuse to engage politically, other than pleas men be recognized as yet another “victim group”, the Movement can’t move.

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keyster June 21, 2012 at 09:28

Oh, and who’s inside running the white house?
Feminism is waning – not dying – because it’s ACCOMPLISHED all its objectives –

Missed your acerbic irreverance Fire-p.
Feminism is a multi-billion dollar business. They’re busier than ever behind the scenes, twisting the arms of legislators and getting other feminists elected. Meanwhile the Men’s Movement can barely manage to tie it’s own shoes.

It’s either Democrats are bad for men, but Republicans are no better if not worse, or it’s pure apathy towards politics in general – – with fantasies of a complete collapse of “the system” and anarchy. Do
Republicans/Conservatism form fit to the MRA ideal? Of course not. But it’s a hell of a lot closer than Democrat/Liberalism.

That this isn’t readily apparent to many MRA’s is astounding.
But then indocrination into Liberal orthodoxy is entrenched and powerful stuff.

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Brigadon June 21, 2012 at 10:06

@keyster- The problem is that the moment you align yourself with a political party, movement, etc, you automatically accept everything that the party supports.

Republicanism has BETRAYED it’s roots, and there are literally millions of things that the party supports that are NOT in line with conservatism. therefore, regardless of how politically astute merging into their mainstream may be, most men that have come to the MRA are no longer capable of that level of hypocrisy. Intellectual honesty requires that they distance themselves from the republican party’s treachery, the same intellectual honesty that allowed them to take the red pill in the first place.

@Firepower- JeremiahMRA was downvoted because he’s a fuckwit. it had little to do with what he was saying, and everything to do with the fact that none of us could understand what he was saying around the drool-covered fork with a cork on it.
No one is patting themselves on the back at the demise of feminism. in fact, most of us realize that there is not going to be a change until we have accelerated the corruption and destruction of this country caused by it. Until EVERY man, EVERYWHERE has been personally decimated by feminism, white knights and manginas are going to keep springing from the woodworks… not realizing that what they are defending is an image of women 50 years old.

Let’s face it. Men WANT to sacrifice themselves. They WANT to be the strong back that helps their woman and the strong arm that defends her. They WANT to be the one standing between their woman and the wolves at the door. This is a hard-wired reaction, and incredibly easy to manipulate.

Women are, themselves, not the enemy. They are children that have been misled badly. Their bad behavior is as predictable as it is reprehensible, and appealing to women’s better natures as though they were men is the height of foolishness. Women do not HAVE a better nature.

What we, as men, need to do, is to find the true source of what is behind feminism… and I can tell you from experience that it is not women. Women could not ORGANIZE a monolithic group like feminism, or keep it from falling apart in moments.

What is the one thing that virtually always leads directly to the source of crimes, corruption, or injustice?

Follow the money.

You can try to fight feminism by exposing it. This will fail. women do not CARE about the truth, and neither do most men. They will lie, they will change focus, they will throw spam like Kardassian pregnancy scares or gay marriage in to confuse everything. The truth is powerless. You can show how men are abused. This will not work. You can show how children and families are destroyed. They will respond with schwarzanegger’s infidelity.

Follow the money.

Find the MEN who are the real force behind feminism. The ones that are getting more and more powerful, and dispose of them. media attention will not work. lawsuits will not work. all these things are THEIR tools, put in place to suit their goals. They are not vulnerable to these things.

Anyone that honestly believes that nonviolent methods are still possible is, I believe, truly fooling themselves. This country was FOUNDED on the idea that, in the end, it is every man’s duty and right to respond with force to a system that becomes intolerable. Our forefathers were not peaceful men.

Me, I am stocking up on blue facepaint.

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Jean Valjean June 21, 2012 at 10:11

W. F. Price–”and will only solidify the trend in coming years as they settle into familiar routines (80% of children end up voting like their parents). ”

Sometimes your predictions are way off base. 80% of chidren may end up voting like their parents but today most children are raised by their mother and close to half are raised exclusively by their mother.

I don’t like those odds.

That said, I find talk about what either party is doing to be irrelevant. Both parties want to divide the nation and keep power for themselves. It’s why there is a two party system. They divide up issues and take a side and it ends up about a 50/50 split. It is an illusion of choice and competition but most results are pre-ordained.

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Sun June 21, 2012 at 10:11

@ Ode

“That’s part of the college curriculum. It’s mandatory studying!”

Yeah while young people do say it, it is mostly older white males that say it. Politics forums, where facebook is used, etc.

That reminds me at college I had a professor of….psychology.

He would say the most asinine things. One time he smugly, in some satisfyingly way, talked about how one theory suggested white people where killing themselves at a higher rate (higher suicide rate, etc), because they were losing their white privilege and status.

I swear to god he said that. I seriously hated the guy. I wanted to rip him so bad.

I wanted too say, but due to his status of being a teacher (irony) and being white (double irony), rather spoke in my mind:

“Well that is funny, because the only white person to have higher status (being a teacher) in this classroom is you. You probably got your job due to to your white privilege and nothing else I opt for a person of color to take the job rightly stolen from them; and then, judging by your intelligent theory, we will see if you end up killing yourself. Which of course will probably happen [I'm saying this all in a delightful demeanor].”

After a pause of shock.

“Which maybe a good thing after all, as you would say, ‘old white men are history,’ and hey…’you can’t stop change.’”

*ending with a big smile on my face*

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beta_plus June 21, 2012 at 10:15

I recently went to Bosnia. As an American, it was deeply troubling seeing how an apparently peaceful and relatively prosperous multi-cultural society tore itself to pieces in a few years and committed acts on each other that would have made the Nazis blush.

You literally need a PhD to truly understand the motivations for what the Yugoslavians did to each other. The differences between the countries there are incredibly hard to see for an outsider. America’s differences among its ethnic, class, and racial groups are glaringly obvious.

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keyster June 21, 2012 at 10:32

The problem is that the moment you align yourself with a political party, movement, etc, you automatically accept everything that the party supports.

This statement reveals the issue.
MRA’s do not understand the machinations of politics, what lies beneath all the rhetoric/talking points. Do you honestly believe the Sisterhood agrees with everything about the Democrat Party?

What do you propose?
That MRA’s join up and form a “Men’s Party”?

Intellectual honesty requires that they distance themselves from the republican party’s treachery, the same intellectual honesty that allowed them to take the red pill in the first place.

IOW, “intellectual honesty” is equivilent to abject apathy. Meanwhile the Sisterhood marches on through the hallowed halls of our state and federal legislative institutions, and the only politicians stopping them, or at least slowing them down, are Republican/Conservative.

The system is corrupt – men are victims – it’s all rather hopeless – don’t do anything but vent about it online now and then. What a strategy! Is it any wonder Feminism continues to flourish?

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Towgunner June 21, 2012 at 10:33

“It’s a not a long shot at all. Feminists are fanatics and will change their colors whenever it’s expedient. Look at the rise of the ‘strong woman’ in the Tea Party and other circles; and the blatant anti-MRM stances by conservatives like Thomas Fleming. Feminism is simply dropping its ‘radfem’ mask, because it’s no longer useful—and adopting the ‘socon’ mask instead.”

Strong women in the tea party are actually allies to the MRM. Many are anti-abortion, many defend the importance and dignity of stay at home moms, they support nuclear male and female families, they even support the strong male archetype etc. Importantly, strong women in the tea party support small government in line with the vision of the founding fathers, in fact, these women have no reservations using the term founding fathers. Meanwhile their sister feminists only refer to the founding fathers as dead old white male slave owners. A return to small government means no more messing around in our personal lives, whether that be determining what we eat, as in the case in NYC and, as it applies to the MRA, which sex is privileged. So, whether they know it or not, tea party women are actually on our side. What has made feminism successful – the state. Less state, less feminism.

Thomas flemming is a buffoon; he’s too old and dazed to understand the real dynamics. Yeah he says he’s conservative, he’s just a shill to be ignored.

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Huck Finn June 21, 2012 at 10:34

“Women are, themselves, not the enemy.”

A male French philosopher, critical of feminism, has called feminists ‘useful idiots’. The man was identifying feminists, essentially women, with being easily led puppets in the hands of shrewd political puppet masters using the feminist women and the so-called cause to manipulate society.

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alpha June 21, 2012 at 10:56

I’ve been following Putin for a long time, and he’s fully aware of the globalist/feminist agenda and he’s fighting back. After a recent summit in China, the indications are that he’s pretty well won over the Chinese leadership to the realization that the globalist/feminist NWO poses a threat to China as well as Russia.

Oh ya means when he imprisoned the radical fems?
what about the Chinese?

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MKP June 21, 2012 at 11:25

One of the funniest things to witness – and I see this a lot – is feminist-minded white women, who are still single as they approach 35, making thinly-veiled appeals to white men’s racial chauvinism in their complaints that the can’t find a man.

Well, what’s going to happen to … “Western Civilization” … if smart, beautiful women like me don’t get married and have children?

If women like me don’t have families, what will become of the country that “our great-grandfathers” worked to hard to build?

These are liberal-leftist women who have never previously given two fucks about “Western Civilization,” and who have never taken any interest in the country-building feats of their great-grandfathers, other than to trash them. Suddenly, they’re making implied threats about the future of the white race if some sucker doesn’t “man up” and marry their sorry asses.

I expect to see a lot more of this in the coming years.

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keyster June 21, 2012 at 11:48

Strong women in the tea party are actually allies to the MRM. Many are anti-abortion, many defend the importance and dignity of stay at home moms, they support nuclear male and female families, they even support the strong male archetype etc.

You obvoiusly haven’t taken the Red Pill. If you had you’d be aware that TradCons are just as much the enemy of men because they want us to enslave ourselves to a wife and children, making us mere “disposable utilities” to women, capitalism and all of society.

IOW, modern men need to be enlightened to the fact that they have always been “victims”of sacrificing themselves to provide for their families and protect their countries; they just haven’t realized this. So men should reject women and marriage wholesale until society has no choice but to acknowledge this inequity, and make the necessary corrections.

Some narrative, some agenda.
And one wonders why the mainstream views the MRM as a small group of Radical Loons.

The Tea Party was predominantly organized and is led by women, that served to motivate apathetic men to get involved. The MRM could learn something from how they accomplished this, but they won’t let themselves…as long as all women are the opposition.

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Brigadon June 21, 2012 at 11:52

@Keyster-

In a way, you could be correct in the assumption that intellectual honesty equals apathy, if it is not taken to it’s logical conclusion.

The problem is, that there is a huge ‘anti violence’ political correctness elephant in the room.

1. The legal system does not work. It will not help us.
2. The political party system does not work. It will not help us.
3. Democracy does not work. It will not help us.
4. Government regulation does not work. It will not help us.
5. Peaceful protest does not work. It will not help us.

to explain this more in-depth:

1. The legal system is based around civil and criminal penalties. Civil penalties ONLY ever apply to the most disadvantaged. even if the advantaged loses a civil case, the consequences to them, personally, are negligible. Does losing ten million dollars hurt someone that makes two hundred million a year? Criminal penalties also only affect the disadvantaged, despite ‘crime dramas’ trying to pretend otherwise.
2. The political party system has been corrupted by corporate excess and bread and circuses. I know that sounds tinfoil-hattish, but the fact is that political parties take no moral stand… they cannot afford to alienate any potential voters, which means they support anything that will get them elected.
3. Once again, the moment the franchise was extended to all, regardless of intelligence, fitness to vote, legal status, or knowledge of the issues, it ceased to be a viable form of representational government. A popularity contest is NOT the way to run a reasonable government. The moment ‘universal suffrage’ was approved, we became a tyranny, albeit a tyranny run by the lowest common denominator.
4. Government regulation is a tool of money and popularity. useless.
5. Peaceful protest relies on being a victim, and for those who are in control to actually care about you being a victim. Women do not care about anything but themselves, thus, since they are the largest worthless popularity bloc, there is absolutely no chance of getting justice.

Now, since i cannot talk about force, the only viable alternative, without putting Price at risk, what suggestions can YOU come up with?

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Firepower June 21, 2012 at 12:25

Brigadon

Firepower- JeremiahMRA was downvoted because he’s a fuckwit. it had little to do with what he was saying, and everything to do with the fact that none of us could understand what he was saying around the drool-covered fork with a cork on it.

If jer is so easily dismissable by an ‘mra’ then why in the hell does he scare manboobz/futrelle ENOUGH to warrant a full post.

Why do both ‘mras’ and manboobzians target him.

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keyster June 21, 2012 at 12:44

Now, since i cannot talk about force, the only viable alternative, without putting Price at risk, what suggestions can YOU come up with?

Do everything I can to mitigate the Leftist/Progressive agenda in the USA that I can, because to do so is to mitigate the power that Feminists currently have. Self-reliance and individual reponsibility are the tenets of Conservatism and (I like to think) Men.

Imagine if the early Feminists had been as cynical and pessimistic as you are (some were very suspicious about the intentions of the Democrats). They were brilliant in forming their narrative and publicizing their cause – – and could have never done it without the support of and validation from influential liberal men.

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Rebel June 21, 2012 at 12:49

For a very long time, I have believed and still do, that the only way to eliminate feminism is to drive the government unto total bankrupcy.
When the government will be so bankrupt that it will no longer be able to be the megahusband that it is, then feminism will die out.

But, IMO, that will not make women love us again. They have been made to hate men with a passion and the hate is now in their DNA.

We shouldn’t kid ourselves: love is dead and rotten. It isn’t coming back any time. What’s dead will remain dead. It was only an illusion anyway.

The Borgs said “Resistance is futile!”

Pretty much men’s situation nowadays. Maybe, just maybe, the best thing to do is to go along and accept assimilation. If that turns out to be an error, tough luck!

There are many ways of being in this world. Things do not have to be the way they are or have been.
Why, for instance, are we worried about the future?
Why do we worry about civilization?
Why not concentrate on individual freedom instead?

If all men were to be totally free, what would matter?

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Towgunner June 21, 2012 at 13:02

@ Rebel

They won’t love us again? So what. The system is unsustainable, let it fail. At that point, who cares what mizz thinks. feminism’s toxicity will be gone, thats all that matters.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 13:16

pb;
‘Fleming might be sympathetic to the MGTOW strategy.’

Chronicles Magazine 11/29/2010, excerpt from an article by Thomas Fleming:

“It all starts with the High School dance, how the girls spend hours in preparation while their loutish dates are hardpressed to wear blue jeans. These loutish men are dimly aware of this but scarcely seem to care. Now let us hear from the Mens’ Movement louts about how it is all the girls’ fault for being immoral, how men are really the victims, or how it is manly to grope women and address them with slimy language”

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Peter South June 21, 2012 at 13:17

@Brigadon
“The problem is, that there is a huge ‘anti violence’ political correctness elephant in the room. ”

Absolutely, the one thing that works can’t be discussed. Really the only reason we are oppressed is because they are willing to use force and we are not. So why continue addressing other avenues as if they matter?

@Rebel
“But, IMO, that will not make women love us again. They have been made to hate men with a passion and the hate is now in their DNA.”

Only because we are weak. A woman hates a weak man just as the lord hates a coward. A woman’s love for man is really respect and admiration, once she loses that it’s over. Would you admire someone who bent over and took it in the rear every day and said “oh well, I don’t want to rock the boat” or “I just want to be happy”?

“If you had to choose between a strong horse and a weak horse you’d like the strong horse better.”

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 13:22

Peace Debts:

Putin is an actual leader. Of course, he’s making alliances, what leaders don’t? The only alliegance our government has is to a bunch of frat punks on Wall Street with delusions of world conquest.

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Peter South June 21, 2012 at 13:24

Not to labor the point but why do you think it is so difficult to discuss violence?

I’ll tell you why: it works. If it didn’t work they wouldn’t mind you talking about it.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 13:25

Firepower:
‘Why do both MRAs and Manboobz want to attack him?’

This should be obvious even to your rather sluggish intellect. He’s giving Manboobz ammunition, and the MRAs are trying to do damage control.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 13:49

@Firepower: The reason certain so-called “MRAs” ally with Manboobz to attack me is the same reason the liberals who infest reddit/MensRights hate me just as much as the liberals who infest reddit/shitredditsays. The same reason Paul Elam attacked Jack Donovan. They aren’t interested in results. They’re Left-leaning do-nothings who value feelings over facts. They may as well be feminists.

I’ll quote Jack Donovan again:

The MRM is a feminist movement. The poor bastards just don’t know it yet. Equality between the sexes is the stated goal of the feminist majority. However, feminists are humans, and because they are human they will ultimately protect and further their own interests, and that will lead to inequality. The MRM recognizes that feminism is creating inequality, but refuses to deal with the reality that equality is an impossible goal. It dooms itself by following behind feminism, shouting the same slogans and carrying the same signs.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 14:00

Who, there are a lot of passive aggressive weenies down-voting me, gregyhost and his allies from Manboobz.

I mean, damn, this comment from greyghost could have come straight from a radfem forum: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/06/20/how-racial-politics-will-subordinate-feminism/#comment-156143

Passive-aggressive personal attacks and without content. Males who refuse to have a rational discussion and instead prefer to act like children/women are just pathetic. Thank God for the existence of alt right blogs like Amerika.org, or I’d have to conclude there’s no hope whatsoever for men.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 14:01

“You won’t read it in the US news, but we have an ally: President Vladimir Putin of Russia.”

http://rt.com/ is vastly superior to any American media.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 14:07

@Huck Finn “I reflected upon the Garden of Eden story after I read this piece. ”

From http://fullofgraceseasonedwithsalt.blogspot.com/2010/02/evil-spilling-over.html

The Garden of Eden scenario seems to play out again and again. After The Fall there have been mini falls; crossroads at which we could choose to obey God, through man, or choose the path of the serpent. The very nature of a woman to want what she does not have, thereby, leaves the door open for temptation. With the vote, this time the serpent offered the woman that she could be “like Man” and not only would she know good and evil, now she has the chance to eradicate that evil through her vote. Deceived again. Man had a long hard battle trying to keep the serpent at bay, but in the end the Man caved in and gave her the vote. Again, God is left saying to the Man “where are you?”. “I put you in charge of woman and again you let her outsmart you.”

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 14:11

“my goal is an end to the laws of misandry. I don’t give a shit about the rest of it. ”

In other words you don’t have a goal. My goal is a stable, thriving, wholesome society, as it always has been. It’s clear that the first step toward having that is a collapse. And when shit hits the fan, weenies like you will die while barely putting up a fight. And the world will be a better place.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 14:20

@Eric Did the French Underground spend their time whining on the internet and acting like manginas? I don’t think so.

You need a goal first if you are to accomplish something. Where is the talk about goals? There is none. Because MRAs don’t want goals, because goals are scary. They just want to feel good about complaining on the internet. Actually accomplishing something? Nah. Let’s just complain on the internet and hope that more people complain with us, and somehow magically all our complaining will reverse all the damage that has been done! Not going to work. Most MRAs seem to think our goal is equality, refusing to discuss the fact that equality is impossible.

I guess I’ll write another post with links regarding the farce that is equality.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 14:24

“This movement, such as it is, is about spreading information and changing minds one at a time. This seems so blatantly obvious to me I really don’t understand those who repeatedly criticize the lack of direct action. In this case, the communication IS the action.”

False. You are deluding yourself to feel better about the fact that you are impotent. I won’t do that. Whining on the internet and getting more people to whine with you is not action. Discussing goals and how to meet them can lead to action, but you don’t want to do that.

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keyster June 21, 2012 at 14:27

The same reason Paul Elam attacked Jack Donovan. They aren’t interested in results. They’re Left-leaning do-nothings who value feelings over facts. They may as well be feminists.

Speaking of “facts”; Paul Elam “attacked” Jack Donovan for his criticism of the Male Studies Conference leaning feminist. Paul Elam’s politics are conservative, but many of his supporters are liberal.

I tend to agree with Jack Donovan’s assessment though, that “gender egalitarian” MRA’s are the most strident feminists.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 14:28

“That this isn’t readily apparent to many MRA’s is astounding.
But then indocrination into Liberal orthodoxy is entrenched and powerful stuff.”

Indeed Keyster. There are three elements that are required in a man for him to understand this. He has to be intelligent enough, he has to have the time and opportunity to learn, and he has to be WILLING to learn, to give up his preconceived notions. Most of these guys aren’t willing to learn, to face reality, or they’re just not smart enough to get past their programming.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 14:33

Yes, Paul Elam attacked Jack Donovan personally, the article is here: http://www.avoiceformen.com/miscellaneous/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-jack-donovan/

Like greyghost, Paul Elam resorted to personal attacks rather than actually making an argument. He did the same to me on AVfM Radio when I linked to Ferdinand Bardamu’s post regarding domestic violence. No content, just jibber jabber about pedestalizing women, really.

But it’s clear that Paul Elam must have hated other things Jack had been saying in order for him to respond like that. Basically Paul Elam hates the idea of men having responsibilities, of there being a definition of manhood that isn’t just “born with a penis”. Jack Donovan talks about masculinity and what it means to be a man. Paul Elam doesn’t want being a man to have any meaning, worse, he wants being a man to be defined by women and feminine values. Else, why does he care so much about what women think?

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Firepower June 21, 2012 at 14:37

Eric

He’s giving Manboobz ammunition, and the MRAs are trying to do damage control.

oic, you’re bravely ‘hiding out’ and ‘gently posting’

so’s you don’t make Manboobz angry.
Great strategy – Braveheart.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 14:40

@Peter South “Absolutely, the one thing that works can’t be discussed. ”

Yes, a bunch of pussies who refuse to use violence to defend themselves and their principles. They really need to read Jack Donovan’s The Way of Men:

Courage is the will to risk harm in order to benefit oneself or others. In its most basic amoral form, courage is a willingness or passionate desire to fight or hold ground at any cost (gameness, heart, spirit, thumos). In its most developed, civilized and moral form courage is the considered and decisive willingness to risk harm to ensure the success or survival of a group or another person (courage, virtus, andreia).

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Centaur June 21, 2012 at 14:55

Its when I read threads like this that I realize things will never change and most men are doomed to eternal slavery.
When you open the can of race worms, immediately we see where it all lies, and why things are as they are.. as well as why this is a losing battle. Make this about white supremacy and you will lose. End of story.

Look, the elites at the top are from all races and creeeds.. there are elite jews, whites, women, blacks, arabs.. from US presidents, to Arab Sheiks to African War lords.. the elites make deals with each other and sell division and sow hate amongst the men at the bottom.. convince them the problem is always someone else…whites, blacks, mexicans, whatever.. they offer scapegoat after scapegoat and one needs only to look over this thread to see how much it sells and how much the weak and the craven buy it.
Why do they buy into all this division? well, for an emasculated male what message can be more comforting than the one that says he belongs to a superior group simply by having been born into it? How better to deflect the anger aimed at the elites (of all colors, creeds and political affiliation) than to point the finger at another person and say “there, right there is your enemy! Because of that (white, black, latino, jew, etc) you are were you are”.
Meanwhile the dupes keep at it. Instead of realizing that together, we men can become an unstoppable force and make life better for ALL of us, we bicker and bullshit about race, creed, and who is better and who is to blame, and who is on the team and who ain’t.
They are laughing at the stupidity of men who would rather stay divided to feel better about themselves, than to unite and actually make things better.

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greyghost June 21, 2012 at 15:14

In other words you don’t have a goal. My goal is a stable, thriving, wholesome society, as it always has been. It’s clear that the first step toward having that is a collapse. And when shit hits the fan, weenies like you will die while barely putting up a fight. And the world will be a better place.

What makes you think you are not on a target list. The SHTF these beta pussies myself included are going to be the ones to right it. I will have a safe and orderly society and if that means getting rid of you and your followers and people that know you that is whats going to happen. You haven’t brouhght anything to the table. What I can gather between the lines is that you and firepower want a collapes with the beta pussies delivering it for you. What the hell does that make you.
Right now there is no need for it unless you plan on taking a shot at the beaste. You talk real big about the lives of other men with all of this you pussy shit but I have not heard of annything from you at all. Infact i’m willing to bet you will kill an MRA you feel is not man enough before you do a damn thing about misandry. History is full of guys like you.
This was and is directed at JeremiahMRA

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 15:43

As promised, here’s my collection of links regarding the impossibility of equality: http://manospherelinks.blogspot.com/2012/06/equality.html

Next up, a section on women’s flaws. It’s REALLY long, too.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 15:45

“I will have a safe and orderly society” (by acting like women)

Well congrats, you live in that “safe and orderly society” today. Isn’t it grand?

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W.F. Price June 21, 2012 at 15:57

What really makes me scratch my head about these exhortations to violence is that it would take at least a battalion of paramilitary (i.e. militia) to subdue the police in a mid-sized city (and that’s before the National Guard shows up). Perhaps a company of well-trained troops with military-grade weapons could do it, too, but the only thing an individual could hope to accomplish would be some acts of terrorism, such as a bombing or assassination campaign.

Terrorist acts only have any political value when there’s a sympathetic populace behind them (e.g. an occupied people), or they are designed to provoke disproportionate, politically disadvantageous retaliation on the part of the enemy. But even then, as the Nazi example in occupied Europe demonstrates, punitive measures against the locals are very effective.

Given the very limited utility of violence in solving our particular problems, I can only conclude that those who advocate it under the current circumstances either haven’t thought things through, or are provocateurs.

From here on out I’m simply going to ban them, as I don’t have time for such stupid arguments.

Peter South June 21, 2012 at 16:02

JeremiahMRA does have a point:

Sites like these function as a sort of pressure release valve for society.

So instead of getting frustrated and taking action that could do damage to the control grid people say “oh look, someone speaks for me”, they read the blogs, they shoot off some replies and they feel they’ve done something.

Meanwhile, the noose tightens.

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greyghost June 21, 2012 at 16:02

Nice repley, so that is what you got out of the comment.

“Well congrats, you live in that “safe and orderly society” today. Isn’t it grand?”
So you believe that too huh? I don’t agree with that.
Why don’t you tell us what you have. And i don’t mean for a link to what a better man has to say like Jack Donovan or some other man you admire. show what you have and how to put it in to play.
And allow me to do this for you so as not to distract you “Greyghost is a fucking pussy mangina liberal uncle tom nigger. Alright now that that is done you have a clear road ahead of you.
This is for JeremiahMRA

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Brigadon June 21, 2012 at 16:04

Heh, I have an end goal. but unfortunately, it’s not even politically correct enough for the mrm.

I want women as slaves at my feet, where they belong. I want to carry a gun, and duel anyone that insults me. or a sword.

I want to be a white knight in truth. Someone tries to take my slave, I kill them. I have trained in the SCA for twenty years, and I can only name a handful of men that can take me with a shortsword. And they have all trained just as hard as I have.

I want to work hard, make my money my own way, and kill anyone that comes on my property and tries to take it away from me.

I want to raise my children my own way. I want to die in a swordfight or gun duel when I am fifty, or failing that, be taken care of by my own family that I have raised my own way.

I want to hunt down and kill the bitch that destroyed my life. and her mother, especially her mother. heck, if I could get her mother I could care less about her.

I want my country’s armed forces to be here, not some other country. if someone screws with us, we take them out quickly and efficiently.

I want us to go back to the moon and set up a space station there. And then another station on mars. I want to pay voluntary taxes that go towards the development of an ion drive to take us to other star systems.

I want cops to break up fights and warn the offenders. I want legalized drugs, and the right to duel any drug dealers I catch pushing them on my kids without my permission.

I want to be able to walk into the office of ANY government official, of any level, and give them a piece of my mind.

I want the vote to only go to people who have proven their worth.

I want to stop paying for women and children that are NOT widows and orphans. Let the rest of them starve. Sorry, but if it’s a choice between my kids and theirs, they are less important, too bad they cannot support themselves.

I want a ‘jury of my peers’ to consist of my PEERS, not a bunch of hobos and babymommas with the collective IQ of a cabbage.

I want the ‘age of consent’ to be entirely based upon cultural standards, biology, and parent’s opinions. I want all laws regarding ‘statutory’ rape and ‘child labor’ repealed. I started working when I was ten.

I want all involuntary child support and ‘no fault divorce’ laws repealed. If you ask for a divorce, you support the kids. if you cheat, you are fucked.

Believe me, I have goals. There’s just so much you can do working on them alone.

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greyghost June 21, 2012 at 16:11

Welmer
I don’t get this violence talk either. The last thing I’m going to do is post up on the internet is open warfare. And to be honest we don’t need to. Things really are changing now. The inertia of misandry is still there and more rules and laws are coming. At the same time the friction that has held the MRM down is loosening. Things are way different than just 3 years ago.
I apologize for for the SHTF talk but I was hoping people would see how silly and unneeded at this point it is.

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keyster June 21, 2012 at 16:34

Given the very limited utility of violence in solving our particular problems, I can only conclude that those who advocate it under the current circumstances either haven’t thought things through, or are provocateurs.

They’re just not that bright.
All cannon and no fodder.

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GT66 June 21, 2012 at 17:47

“The One”: “Mostly Feminism is an ideological weapon of passive aggression, to be utilized in personally, by bureaucrats, in government, primarily by blacks against whites. Sometimes other minorities join in the fun, but none of the other minorities are as committed as the blacks to Feminism.”

Feminism is a white invention. That a race that we enslaved for a couple hundred years gets a little schadenfreude watching the master race’s bomb explode in its own face shouldn’t be entirely unexpected or held against them. Don’t we all engage in a little schadenfreude here when feminism takes a hit? Same difference.

That said, perhaps *some* blacks are committed to feminism but I’d say the numbers of broken homes, incarcerated men, and marginalized black fathers shows they are getting the worst of feminism. Perhaps the appearance of “commitment” to feminism is largely just that – appearance based political affiliation for historic reasons.

Now, what should concern all men, regardless of race is how we are going to move forward. It does the black man no good to get one over on the white man if at the end of it, his woman is still a ball breaking bitch using the government to rob him blind, take his freedom and deny him his reproductive rights.

And that’s really the game isn’t it? Feminism is just another tactic to keep people fighting amongst themselves while the wealthy elite go on doing for themselves. The point is to realize that the bitch slap paybacks are a designed in part of the game. Rise above it. Black, brown, red, yellow, white doesn’t matter, we’re ALL being screwed and it isn’t race or gender that’s doing the screwing, – it’s class. You see any millionaires here complaining about this stuff?

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 18:15

Violence has its uses. That’s not really up for debate. Don’t argue against a straw man, claiming anyone who recognizes the value of violence must be a “terrist”.

Here are some examples of violence and its uses: http://manospherecopies.blogspot.com/2012/06/inmalafide-necessity-of-domestic.html

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 18:15
JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 18:18

Men should realize that this battle will be be won in the home and the private life, when men act like men. In terms of violence, that means disciplining your wife and your children when they misbehave, and that means defending your family with your life, no matter who shows up at the door. Unless men do that, they’re willingly living as slaves. A man has principles, and he defends these principles even when it may cause him harm.

I’ll quote it again:

“Courage is the will to risk harm in order to benefit oneself or others. In its most basic amoral form, courage is a willingness or passionate desire to fight or hold ground at any cost (gameness, heart, spirit, thumos). In its most developed, civilized and moral form courage is the considered and decisive willingness to risk harm to ensure the success or survival of a group or another person (courage, virtus, andreia).” – Jack Donovan

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GT66 June 21, 2012 at 18:23

greyghost: “I don’t get this violence talk either. The last thing I’m going to do is post up on the internet is open warfare. And to be honest we don’t need to.”

To add: and against whom would we use violence? The women? Pfft… most of them are pants wettingly afraid of men who just look at them a second too long. Yea there’s a few nutty Ramb-ho’s out there but honestly… LOL. The only violence that is likely to happen is the same as has always been and the same as happens everywhere: wealthy elites waging proxy war on the lower classes. Doesn’t matter how or who, just when. And, as we’ve seen in the M.E., the wealthy through their bureaucrat puppets always throw down first (itchy trigger finger I guess). This is nothing we need to concern ourselves with. If the government attacks, it attacks. What can we really do to stop it?

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cecil henry June 21, 2012 at 18:29

Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, White Countries for Everyone

DIVERSITY is just a codeword for anti-white. More diverse = less white. How much more offensive can you get??? Diversity means Genocide. Anti-racist is just a codeword for anti-white.

Every white country on earth is supposed to become multicultural and multiracial. EVERY white country is expected to end its own race and end its own culture. No one asks that of ANY non-white country.

This is genocide.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 18:30

Let me summarize. Violence is part of the solution. That’s a simple fact. Anyone who thinks things will change without violence is a fool. If you don’t want people talking about solutions, Welmer, then update your commenting policy and justify it with the truth, that you don’t want the heat associated with discussing violence in the police state we live in. That’s fair enough. But claiming violence has no use, that’s a fucking stupid “argument”.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 18:34

“Given the very limited utility of violence in solving our particular problems, I can only conclude that those who advocate it under the current circumstances either haven’t thought things through, or are provocateurs.

From here on out I’m simply going to ban them, as I don’t have time for such stupid arguments.”

Just another example of an ad hominem attack rather than a rational argument. Paul Elam did the same thing when he pedestalized women, claiming that women should never be disciplined by their husbands.

When no one is willing to discuss a topic, you know damn well they’re afraid of uncovering the truth. If you actually thought what you said was true, Welmer, you wouldn’t ban anyone. The ONLY reason you disagree with violence is that you fear that the discussion will jeopardize your site. Be a man, be honest. Show respect, and you’ll be given it.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 18:35

The cry of the liberal: “Thenthor That Man!”

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W.F. Price June 21, 2012 at 18:36

Violence has its uses. That’s not really up for debate. Don’t argue against a straw man, claiming anyone who recognizes the value of violence must be a “terrist”.

Here are some examples of violence and its uses: http://manospherecopies.blogspot.com/2012/06/inmalafide-necessity-of-domestic.html

-Jay

How did I make that argument? I simply said that terrorism is the only option at this point for men who want to use violence against the system, and politically speaking it’s a non-starter.

Until you’ve been on the wrong end of a gun, don’t presume to tell me about violence and its uses. I know full well how useful it is, because it worked on me.

If that’s where you want to be, suit yourself, but don’t expect those of us who’ve been through it before to sign up for the SWAT treatment all over again.

pb June 21, 2012 at 18:45

Eric: Regarding that quote from Fleming’s article — Fleming does not agree that feminism and its associated problems are solely due to women. Men had a hand in promoting it. Now it is true that the men who have been adversely affected by feminism may not be the same as those who promoted it. And Fleming is of an older generation who may be mischaracterizing other aspects of MRM or conflating it with the PUAs. He may be wrong in thinking that it is founded upon misogyny or hate, too. He may be ignorant of the misandric nature of divorce laws and the like. Still, he is no feminist or egaliatarian, and a believer in patriarchy. I think his solution to our current social problems — doing what we can for ourselves and those around us, is closer to the solution than trying to push for a national movement to effect change within the National Government. It is debatable whether legislative change can be effected within States; in some the possibility may be higher than others, but traditional culture is slowly being eroded everywhere.

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GT66 June 21, 2012 at 18:47

Feminism is the ultimate weapon of control. It does EVERYTHING the elites want it do to without them ever needing to get their hands dirty or get personally involved and best yet, it uses women’s own instinct against themselves and their men (which is the real purpose). Who has time to fight when we are so busy trying to get laid or pay our child support?

Women’s hypergamy is just an instinctive need for security through status. Who has status and the ability to dangle the promise of status like a carrot? The wealthy know that when men want status or feel they are being held back that they rise up and take what is their due. That’s bad news for the elites. Can’t have that, but how to stop it? Can’t use military genocide. War is too resource intensive and since it is all about keeping resources that isn’t an option. But hey, what is the Achilles heel of men who might dare to demand? Women and children. So then, all the elites had to do was say, “Do you know why you don’t have status deary? Well, just look at the man across the dinner table from you!” And voila! We are mired in a destructive virus like all consuming debacle with little to no time to see that we are being plundered and no ability to stop it anyway!

Why do you guys think that the ideology of “equality” focuses on high “status” issues but has nothing to say about getting women more coal mining or garbage hauling jobs? You see women clamoring for 50% representation in trade schools? Nope. Why? Because that’s not the purpose. Using women to fight average men for the “privilege” we never had in the first place so that the wealthy can continue to plunder all the resources and wealth and dominate the planet while we are preoccupied is the purpose.

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pb June 21, 2012 at 18:48

At the very least, his solution of starting with the local is a necessary first step for any movement to be successful and to transcend the limitations of being a “movement” – men fixing their own lives and banding together with other like-minded men and developing friendships (which are better than merely strategic alliances). (In this regard he would be more in agreement with Jack Donovan and others.)

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 19:04

“How did I make that argument? I simply said that terrorism is the only option at this point for men who want to use violence against the system, and politically speaking it’s a non-starter.”

I’ve already demonstrated that violence has its uses. Violence is not limited to terrorism or violence against “the system”.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 19:05

Keyster, weren’t you the one talking about how people can’t get past their liberal indoctrination? Yet you buy the liberal party line that “violence bad! (unless sanctioned by the state)”? Odd.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 19:12

Still, Welmer, if you don’t want people advocating violence that’s your choice. But is it too much to ask that you don’t try to justify it with “people who use violence r dumb”? Honestly we’re doomed if men believe only the corrupt state can use violence morally. And men who think that they can just bide their time and wait for things to blow over are wrong. You can’t just let the police state pound you in the ass and steal your children, and expect things to go better for your family overall. We’re all going to be covered in it when the SHTF anyway, and having that kind of ideology is going to get you killed quite quickly by someone who wants your shit.

Does no one value integrity anymore? Does no one have principles that they aren’t willing to sacrifice whenever convenient? Does no one have faith in themselves anymore, that they know what’s just and what is not, no matter what the talking heads say? Slaves, slaves, all I see are slaves.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 19:18

Principles, what are those? 2 out of 3 youtube videos I click now have advertisements on them. Really? Is everyone so greedy that they have to put an advertisement to make a few pennies on their youtube videos? Are they so worthless in life that they choose to make money by doing such BS? I make a habit of finding a new copy of the video every time. Why don’t men have principles anymore? Earn your way. Greed is a sin. Do something meaningful, not just what’s convenient.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 19:19

Note, these are videos they didn’t even make themselves. They don’t deserve a penny.

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greyghost June 21, 2012 at 19:20

JeremiahMRA
What are you some kind of government plant. So your plan is to incite these pussy spearhead guys to talk about using violence. Against who and what does the end game look like.

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W.F. Price June 21, 2012 at 19:30

Still, Welmer, if you don’t want people advocating violence that’s your choice. But is it too much to ask that you don’t try to justify it with “people who use violence r dumb”? Honestly we’re doomed if men believe only the corrupt state can use violence morally. And men who think that they can just bide their time and wait for things to blow over are wrong. You can’t just let the police state pound you in the ass and steal your children, and expect things to go better for your family overall. We’re all going to be covered in it when the SHTF anyway, and having that kind of ideology is going to get you killed quite quickly by someone who wants your shit.

-Jay

Again, I never said use of force was dumb. It’s only dumb when it’s counterproductive. Even feminists know this. They whine on and on about violence against women, despite the fact that some 85% of violent crime is committed against men (and a higher proportion still of state violence), but they never, ever complain about state violence against men. If they don’t support it explicitly, they do so tacitly.

If you want to support use of force, do so within the bounds of the law. Feminists support use of state force against men. Support the same against lawbreaking females. I think I wrote a clear piece about use of force the other day. I argued that under current rules it is up to the state to keep women in line, and to provide for them when they are needy. And because men have no legitimate means of physical coercion where adult women are concerned, they have absolutely no responsibility for them either, financial or otherwise.

If the state wants men to be responsible for women, then it should authorize men to use coercive force on them, just as parents have the same right with children. If it will not authorize use of coercive force on women by individual men and continues to uphold the sham of sexual equality in family law, then the state has full responsibility for women financial and otherwise.

What this means is that no financial reward shall ever accrue to a woman upon termination of marriage or any other relationship. Nor shall child support be awarded unless the mother is deprived of discretion in expenditure of the funds (i.e. the father may be ordered to pay child support, but he gets to spend the money as he sees fit for the children, and the mother has no say at all).

Eric June 21, 2012 at 19:49

pb;
I agree with you that Fleming is no egalitarian. However, he seems to be a strong advocate of White-Knightism, which is particularly bad among Socons generally.

Socon feminism isn’t that much different fundamentally from Radical feminism other than it comes in conservative package. But the same idolatry of the powerful feminine is deeply apparent—along with men’s ‘duties’ to subordinate themselves to women to the strong woman—in Socon writings. Basically what I see in much of Fleming’s writings is the same tendencies: ‘All men are jerks’ ‘Women have all the power in the relationships.’ ‘Women are the owners of sex’ and many other Socon sound-bites which are re-expressions of earlier feminist ones.

Also, the Socons even adopt many feminist positions in social policy, such as extended childhoods, outlawing pornography, and others.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 19:57

JeremiahMRA:
‘Did the French Underground waste time whining on the Internet like a bunch of manginas?’

Of course, in the used the radio: but I’m certain they did quite a bit of complaining on it as well. I think what you’re missing are two points:

1. That this type of complaining has an actual purpose and value in promoting the MRM;

2. To Price’s point about violence—even if this were an option, you can’t even raise an army unless views are vented and expressed to enough men to that cause.

Even then, violence may not even be necessary. For example, suppose our message reached millions of single fathers—and they formed a union and refused to pay alimony or child support? What kind of impact would that have? That would change the law, without force.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 19:57

“If you want to support use of force, do so within the bounds of the law. Feminists support use of state force against men. Support the same against lawbreaking females.”

Hell no. That would violate my principles. State force is NOT what will help men. Limiting government power will help men. Are you being serious? You’ve read every article at The Spearhead, and you really think the government is EVER going to help men? Pound me in the ass, big daddy government? That’s your answer? The law is not moral, the law is not just.

“If it will not authorize use of coercive force on women by individual men and continues to uphold the sham of sexual equality in family law, then the state has full responsibility for women financial and otherwise.”

Should? But it doesn’t.

What this means is that no financial reward shall ever accrue to a woman upon termination of marriage or any other relationship. Nor shall child support be awarded unless the mother is deprived of discretion in expenditure of the funds (i.e. the father may be ordered to pay child support, but he gets to spend the money as he sees fit for the children, and the mother has no say at all).

That will only happen if men violently rebel. Do you still pay your ex-wife money? Yes. Then things shall continue as they are.

You cannot solve these problems through the government but outside of it. Limiting the power of government is a step in the right direction, but you can’t even do that without eliminating women’s suffrage. And that won’t happen until women are put in their place. Will men in numbers put women in their place? No, because most of them are pussies today. So we can only pray for a severe depression / collapse that will once again make men and women understand a few things.

Principles. Men have principles. If someone tried to steal my children from me, one of us would die before it was over. It’s that simple. And if every man were like that, none of this liberal bullshit could have happened in the first place. Too many pussies, manginas, soft fellas who have no honor, no integrity, no courage, no balls, living in comfort, with no idea at all. If someone steals your kids, they deserve to die. That this is considered radical in this world today only proves how insane society is. I tip my hat to any man who protects his children.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 20:03

“1. That this type of complaining has an actual purpose and value in promoting the MRM;

Even then, violence may not even be necessary. For example, suppose our message reached millions of single fathers—and they formed a union and refused to pay alimony or child support? What kind of impact would that have? That would change the law, without force.”

Nope. That it hasn’t happened yet proves it. That men are still just whining on the internet proves it. It’s just not going to happen. Like was said by someone else (Welmer?) you need the support of the public. And as long as women have suffrage, that means you need the support of women. Women will never support anything that isn’t in their own short-term best interests.

The ONLY value that whining on the internet has is that it will put a VERY FEW men on the path toward understanding and action. Most people will never get there. Look, there is a solution to our problems, a goal. 90% of “MRAs” don’t want to recognize it, instead preferring to complain on the Internet and hope this somehow fixes things. It won’t. It can’t. We need a traditional, masculine society, where women are subordinate to men. Anyone who doesn’t recognize this isn’t helpful and could be a hindrance.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 20:07

Firepower:
‘You’re bravely hiding out so as not to make Manboobz angry.’

No, Dum-Dum. My posts do irritate Futrelle on occasion and sometimes I even write posts for that express purpose. However Flabtrelle is widely noted for taking people out of context. Some inflammatory language is liable to be (intentionally) misconstrued and misquoted by himself. We’re just trying not to make his job easier.

Don’t worry though—little that you ever write makes enough sense for him to misconstrue it.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 20:13

JeremiahMRA:
‘Nope. That it hasn’t happened yet proves it.’

What laws did Thomas Ball change by self-immolation? Outside of the Spearhead, I never heard the story in the media.

That same media blackout is why you don’t see the impact this work on the Internet is really having. What I’m afraid is happening to you is that you’re falling for the disinformation yourself. The media WANTS you (and all other men) to believe that the MRM is a bunch of disgruntled losers not having an impact.

Don’t fall for their lies.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 20:14

Eric, stop apologizing. Stop apologizing for what you say. Stop apologizing for being a man. Don’t you see how weak that makes you seem? That you change your actions based on what a freakish mangina thinks? It’s not the right move, fella.

Read this: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/po8il/stop_apologizing/

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 20:15

“What laws did Thomas Ball change by self-immolation? Outside of the Spearhead, I never heard the story in the media.”

Which is why he should have killed some people instead of just talking about it.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 20:32

JeremiahMRA:
True, the media can’t cover up mass killings very easily. But let’s look at case like that: Anders Brelvik. Is the media holding him up as a hero?

And what about Brelvik’s victims? Do you think if he had shot down members of your family—you would study his political motivations and think they made sense? Of course not.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 21:03

“Do you think if he had shot down members of your family—you would study his political motivations and think they made sense?”

Yes, I would.

And it doesn’t matter. Getting attention is the first step in changing things.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 21:06

Eric, you and the dumb masses might be fueled by emotion, but I’m fueled by trying to understand things, which is why I answered “yes” above. Just another indication I’m superior to most humans. :/

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W.F. Price June 21, 2012 at 21:17

Jay, for all your anger, it looks like you’re taking it out mainly on guys who ought to be on your side. Enough of that. You aren’t convincing anyone — you’re just shitting all over people.

Go take it easy for a while.

Eric June 21, 2012 at 21:59

Price:
I don’t want to advocate anything else illegal, but that guy needs to take a handful of ‘shrooms and ride the Magic Carpet for about three days.

A crazed gunman takes out his family and he’d study his propaganda? Man, that’s when you know you’re taking life too seriously!

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pb June 21, 2012 at 22:03

Eric:

“Also, the Socons even adopt many feminist positions in social policy, such as extended childhoods, outlawing pornography, and others.”

Extended childhood may be a position of some socons, but it isn’t for paleos like Fleming. As for outlawing pornography, well trad Christians and feminists do agree on certain things, but their worldviews and justifications are rather different.

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Charles Martel June 21, 2012 at 22:15

keyster
They’re just not that bright.
All cannon and no fodder.

More like all fodder and no cannon.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 22:16

pb;
‘Their worldviews and justifications are rather different.’

True, but feminists, like their Marxist counterparts, will exploit the similarities. Marxist/feminists have tried to infiltrate churches for decades pointing out Christian charity to the poor and pedestalization of women was no different than the aims of Marxist/feminists (although they prudently concealed that their true intentions were hostile to Christianity).

What I’m afraid is happening is that, as people get disgusted with liberals, the feminists will use the conservative white knights like Fleming as useful idiots to gain female dominance among Republicans/Tea Partiers. Before the MRM was really going, they did the same thing to the Democrats. Their goal is female supremacy, and they don’t care what outward form it takes.

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evilwhitemalempire June 21, 2012 at 22:36

towgunner
A return to small government means no more messing around in our personal lives, whether that be determining what we eat, as in the case in NYC and, as it applies to the MRA, which sex is privileged. So, whether they know it or not, tea party women are actually on our side.
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yes, glad you brought this up

many mras complain about how socon fems are female supremacists (which many are btw)

BUT by advocating small government they are just cutting their own throats anyway

this makes socon fems our useful idiots

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Charles Martel June 21, 2012 at 22:43

Brigadon
I want to hunt down and kill the bitch that destroyed my life. and her mother, especially her mother. heck, if I could get her mother I could care less about her.

So go do it. What’s stopping you? Should be a piece of cake. Plan it for more than five minutes and you have a fair chance of getting away with it.

Here’s what I don’t get about you and JeremiahMRA. If violence is your thing, there’s absolutely nothing stopping you. Possibly other than the fact that you – JeremiahMRA – spend half your waking hours posting online telling men you don’t know they’re pussies for not doing what you’re not doing.

The thing is, you kiddies haven’t thought it through. Just for a start, violence involves killing actual people. That right there is a big problem unless you’re a psychopath. I didn’t kill anyone during my time in the infantry and I’m very glad I didn’t. But hey, why don’t you tough guys go right on being righteously pissed off because a bunch of anonymous strangers on the internet haven’t solved your problems for you.

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evilwhitemalempire June 21, 2012 at 22:48

Firepower June 21, 2012 at 08:45
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Fucking amazing – jeremiahmra gets voted down HERE, the same week he gets blasted by ManBoobz. So, the same person is despised by both: that must mean either the vote system is CORRUPTED as I’ve long asserted – or mras are pussies.
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OR most mras are bright enough to understand that this problem CAN’T be solved by violence (even if they wanted to)

you’ve been watching the first rambo movie too many times

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Charles Martel June 21, 2012 at 23:00

JeremiahMRA
Just another indication I’m superior to most humans.

Textbook narcissistic personality disorder.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 23:03

Martel:
What I can’t understand about it is this assumption they all seem to have that a hostile, highly-controlled news media is automatically going to see the justice of their causes and turn them into heroes. The media is going to paint them and their actions in the blackest colors possible and then the witch-hunt’s going to start.

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White man from Africa June 21, 2012 at 23:18

Look at places like Baltimore, Atlanta and Detroit. Throw into the mix what you are seeing in California and Florida. Whites can try and be as liberal and unbiased as they like, they will not see the favor returned when they are in the minority. Naive people dont understand this, but you really are all gradually voting yourself into a bottomless pit. Sadly, most minorities in the USA will never vote on merit, they will vote based on race. And if you think a minority run USA is a good thing, ask the people of Baltimore, Atalanta and Detroit how its all working out for them. Look at South Africa and Zimbabwe, and understand that this is your future too if you dont unify. Its all about race, whites are just too stupid to see it.

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Charles Martel June 21, 2012 at 23:19

@Eric

It’s less complicated than that. They want what they want and have some half-baked fantasy that violence is the way to get it.

Insults aside, JeremiahMRA is a narcissistic personality. Here are the highlights:
Have excessive feelings of self-importance
Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy

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Ode June 21, 2012 at 23:37

Thomas says

The entire left wing complex is held together by a common desire to exploit middle class males. Honestly..what do black militants, jewish billionaires, white urban housewives, hispanic migrant labourers and upper middle class gays have in common? Nothing. Once the gravy train is gone, the various portions of the left wing complex will splinter into a million peices as they start to fight with each other over the last scraps of the pie.

Liberals have this theory that if the white man were to disappear then all the non-white people would come together to hold hands and sing “We are the World” while a new era of unparalleled human prosperity would begin unhindered by white wickedness.

delicate cough
A good way to burst this bubble is to look at certain parts of California, especially the south, where most of the white people have packed their bags and left, leaving Blacks and Hispanics behind to inherit the cities that the white man built. Instead of working together to create a viable economy the only “solution” that has worked is to segregate into different neighborhoods. If you’re a Black man there are certain parts of CA it’s best you do NOT go there, not even during the day, or the Latino gangs will beat the crap out of you. This is not the multi-cultural / diversity utopia Liberals had hoped.

I agree with you, once the gravy train gets derailed, things will get “interesting”. It’s already happening in California, the rest of the USA will follow.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 23:39

Martel:
The more I read of his posts, the more I was starting to realize that he actually believes what he’s saying. Brelvik, who I referenced earlier, has exactly those same personality traits.

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W.F. Price June 21, 2012 at 23:39

@Charles

Jeremiah has been OK in the past, and I don’t want to dump on the guy. For all I know he’s going through something difficult — happens to a lot of us. I just don’t want the comments to be a farce with anonymous commenters spouting off about “taking action” and denouncing everyone else for being a pussy.

It just looks ridiculous, and is kind of embarrassing, to be honest.

Brigadon June 21, 2012 at 23:40

@chuck-

Stop conflating me with firepower and jeremiahMRA. Most post was an example of my goals, not a mission statement or manifesto.
I understand that most people that post here do so because they are tired, scared, wounded, and angry.

Mostly I am not bashing them. and I am certainly not jumping down Bill’s throat for not advocating violence, since it would be…unethical to allow him to take the burn for my actions. I believe force is the key, and in fact have a very good idea of how it could be carried out effectively, but it would be pointless and stupid for me to sit here and call those who are trying to bring about recognition of the problem losers and pussies for not being ready to throw in their hat.
When the time comes, they will be ready, or they will not be.

And as far as dealing with the ex-mil is concerned, logic dictates that pursuing direct vengeance would be an absolute waste of resources at this time.

As for killing other human beings:
You are right, killing another human is not, generally, very easy. Heck, Killing ANYTHING is not very easy. I think the word is ‘sociopath’, not psychopath. Fortunately, however, our government has ensured that we have an endless string of wars to get young men over their difficulty with killing in an efficient and convenient fashion.
This is why, for any real change to take place, the military will be the key. This is why the military is being kept overseas, and why the government is pushing so hard to try and infiltrate feminists, generally unsuccessfully. ‘Soldiers’ look on ‘girlssoldiers’ with tolerant amusement, not unlike watching a child try and fix daddy’s car with his plastic toolkit, but despite whatever party line they may toe, NO soldier is truly fooled into believing that a female is anything resembling an asset in the military.

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Eric June 21, 2012 at 23:40

Hopefully though Jeremiah will follow my advice and indulge his narcissicism without hurting anyone LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS3kNbunUzs&feature

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Brigadon June 21, 2012 at 23:51

“Give me a long enough lever and a place upon which to stand, and I can move the world.”

We have the lever. Truth and the military. now it’s just a matter of finding the place to stand.

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pb June 22, 2012 at 00:19

Eric

“What I’m afraid is happening is that, as people get disgusted with liberals, the feminists will use the conservative white knights like Fleming as useful idiots to gain female dominance among Republicans/Tea Partiers. Before the MRM was really going, they did the same thing to the Democrats. Their goal is female supremacy, and they don’t care what outward form it takes.”

The paleocons have no power in the Republican party – PJB has little influence; many paleocons are as anti-Republican as they are anti-Democrat. They really are a fringe group. In so far as the Tea Party, or the Republican Party in general, serves business interests it is already aligned with feminists, since the economic elites originally used feminism to further their own goals and gave it much of its early impetus back in the early 20th ce. The Tea Party has no problem with female candidates and so on (Sarah Palin), so I think it’s already too late. Besides, I don’t see the Tea Party having any interest in the MRM.

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Robert in Arabia June 22, 2012 at 00:53

I do not think that there is a left-wing politician in Norway who has not realized that Anders Behring Breivik is a sign that things are boiling. Otherwise they would not have orchestrated a blackout of his trial and eliminated comment threads on the news sites. In England, the Daily Telegraph banned comments on his trial after the first day. Breivik was getting too much support.

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greyghost June 22, 2012 at 01:56

Robert in Arabia
I did a quick look up of Anders Behring Breivik and it looks like the procscution is trying to push that the man is crazy. The government is burying it’s head in the sand on this one.

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Ted June 22, 2012 at 05:19

“Anders Behring Breivik … the prosecution is trying to push that the man is crazy.”

Seems to me that you can make a good case that he is crazy.

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Ted June 22, 2012 at 05:21

Brigadon June 21, 2012 at 23:51

“We have the lever. Truth and the military. ”

God forbid.

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Brigadon June 22, 2012 at 06:37

deeply insightful commentary, Ted. It must be great to be in touch with your inner woman.

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Firepower June 22, 2012 at 07:35

Charles Martel

This movement, such as it is, is about spreading information and changing minds one at a time.

Sounds wonderful!

How’s that going for ya?
What have you accomplished?

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Ted June 22, 2012 at 07:36

“deeply insightful commentary, Ted.”

Thanks!

” It must be great to be in touch with your inner woman.”

You’re not trying to accuse me of some sort of preversion, are you?

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Firepower June 22, 2012 at 07:41

Eric

However Flabtrelle is widely noted for taking people out of context. Some inflammatory language is liable to be (intentionally) misconstrued and misquoted by himself. We’re just trying not to make his job easier.

“flabtrelle” oic what you did there!

You’ve really got him
quaking in his
panties!

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Ted June 22, 2012 at 07:42

@Firepower

“What have you accomplished?”

Spreading the word is what is being accomplished. Injecting the red pill meme into the public unconscious. I think it’s working. When it goes, it will go all at once.

It might seem a bit chaotic to you, the Man with a Plan. (Not sure what your plan is, though. On the battlefield with Brigadon, perhaps?)

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Pops June 22, 2012 at 09:29

JeremiahMRA

You ask people to refute your points, yet you actually make no points. You make assertions and then ask people to refute your assertions. The burden of proof lies on he who is making the assertion. Once you have provided the evidence for your assertion, then you can reasonably ask for challenges to you evidence. But you must first provide evidence.

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Anonymous age 70 June 22, 2012 at 10:42

After a number of years as a militant activist with no gain, I also contemplated some sort of violent action. I soon realized those who advocate violence are merely impatient.

Violence hurts, period. If your cause is correct, it will eventually happen without your harming people. If your cause is not correct, violence will not gain it.

Our cause is just, and we are doing fine with MGTOW, men dropping out of the system by the millions, and the dearies not getting their weddings and child support. They are hurting, which is why the attacks on MRA boards.

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Anonymous age 70 June 22, 2012 at 10:43

>>White men in Unions will NEVER vote Republican.

I worked in a factory for 31 years, and was a union member. Many of us voted Republican. The only reason we had a union was the disgusting attitudes of our management thugs.

>>If the MRM can’t agree on that much, it’s forever doomed to remain on the lunatic fringe of social movements.

A lot of people still think political activity is the answer. MRA’s have been trying to motivate men to participate in politics for 45+ years. I did from 1984 on. It doesn’t work. It will not work.

To win politically, you must either win the votes, which we cannot do. Or, you must have something the other side wants, and take it away until they negotiate.

The MGTOW movement is taking away what women want, a husband slave.

Ghandi allegedly said, First they ignore you; then they laugh at you; then they fight you; then you win. They are fighting with us, and it seems the more they fight with us, the more men swallow the red pill and join us.

So, why worry about organizations that have never worked, and organizations that instantly deteriorate into civil wars. Relax. Things are going well from our viewpoint.

>>The ONLY value that whining on the internet has is that it will put a VERY FEW men on the path toward understanding and action.

Interesting viewpoint from a man who does only that.

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Charles Martel June 22, 2012 at 10:47

W. F. Price
I just don’t want the comments to be a farce with anonymous commenters spouting off about “taking action” and denouncing everyone else for being a pussy…..It just looks ridiculous, and is kind of embarrassing, to be honest.

True, but it could also be more problematic. We live in a time of simple-minded and cowardly thinking. There are those who would love to slap a label like “domestic terrorist” on you or on us. Nothing could be further from the truth of course, but the truth is no longer important.

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Peter South June 22, 2012 at 12:13

@Brigadon

Thanks for mentioning SCA. I’ve been looking for something like that for a while now I just didn’t know what to call it.

Found a place not too far from where I live.

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Eric June 22, 2012 at 12:21

Anon70:
Organized labor in the US is pretty much dead today. They were really about the only anti-feminist group within the Democratic Party; but the Clintonistas destroyed them with NAFTA and GATT. Now most unions are teachers and government-employee unions which are overwhelmingly feminist.

I always wondered what the potential of a men’s union would have been compared to the men’s movement we have today.

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Peter South June 22, 2012 at 12:25

@Anonymous age 70
“The MGTOW movement is taking away what women want, a husband slave.”

This will work IF you can get sufficient numbers. The only problem is you know they won’t tolerate that.

People have their various solutions, some advocate moving abroad, some MGTOW, others political.

But at the end of the day they’ll clamp down on all of those things and there won’t be anywhere left to run.

And that will lead you right back to square one.

Feminism is only a symptom of the broader problem of an empire on the verge of collapse that does not respect the human rights of its people, an empire that is being looted from within by traitors.

The whole feminism thing is an obvious divide and conquer tactic. Promote women, minorities and immigrants because they are easy to control and they could give a rats butt about the principles this nation was founded on. Destroy families and turn people against each other so they won’t fight for each other.

Us white guys actually believe in the constitution, that is our heritage and they don’t like that one bit. Hence the attempts to marginalize at every turn.

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Eric June 22, 2012 at 12:30

Martel:
True, and there are also people who listen to that same rhetoric and watch the media sensationalism who get inspired by it. Those are also groups out there that intentionally try to provoke such people; and those are the ones we really have to watch out for.

I don’t think Jeremiah is a provocateur; but I’m afraid he might have been listening to some of them.

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Eric June 22, 2012 at 12:33

Firepower:
LOL—my advice about taking the mushrooms was for Jeremiah, dude, not you. It sounds like you need to lay off the dope for awhile! LOL

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PeterTheGreat June 22, 2012 at 13:21

Anonymous age 70@
“Violence hurts, period. If your cause is correct, it will eventually happen without your harming people. If your cause is not correct, violence will not gain it.”

While being a civilized man, I want to agree with you. However, historically ultimately violence settles everything. The Muslims have never been able to beat Christians by logic; but conquered all the old Christian areas in North Africa, Asia, etc., and held them solely by force.

Christians have survived the brutality and kept our areas free only by force. Even Mao said all political power comes out of the barrel of a gun. And don’t forget Carthago delenda est; which settled forever whether Rome or Carthage would survive.

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greyghost June 22, 2012 at 15:49

i would rather not use force to acheive our goals. patients and knowledge are working for us now. To gauge the progress ask someone like Anonymous 70. Also go to off topic articles that have comments. Make a comment as an MRA and see the responses and see the comments of others. The 2nd amendment does keep things from getting to far out of hand. And is why they will not stop a MGTOW.
Most importantly for me I do not wish to fight or kill other beta males for some ruling elite. I would much rather have the military stand aside and enjoy the changes we make and have military men join us than have them used to kill men fighting for their freedom from misandry. Think of what some foolish ass would do to those good men. have them used to kill other men to maintain misandry to be slowly used on them one at a time. (check that soldier suicide rate)

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Binxton June 22, 2012 at 16:23

The rise of the white feminist in American politics was aided by white men from the beginning. Women were only included in the Civil Rights Act through the efforts of a Southern segregationist. The first woman on the US Supreme Court was appointed by a white male. A white male drafted the Violence Against Women Act. White males instituted universal suffrage, passed sexual harassment laws, extended affirmative action to white females, enacted Title IX, etc. The list goes on and on. White men have done more to enfranchise white females than women themselves.

And you still won’t get the gratitude or respect of women.

The fact is, we men got taken to the cleaners. Big time.

When the women’s movement finally collapses, we must learn the lessons of history and never again cede power to women. Men must control and regulate women.

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Brigadon June 22, 2012 at 16:40

@greyghost- No offense, but patience and knowledge are NOT working.
Things are worse today than they were 1 year ago today.

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Eric June 22, 2012 at 16:53

Brigadon:
I think Greyghost is right. The reason that things are looking worse today is because our opponents are no longer ignoring/laughing at us; they’re getting very nervous and resorting to harsher and nastier tactics.

I’m not sure where it will all lead; but the numbers on our side are growing, and that’s positive sign. We’re in a transitional stage right now, so it’s hard to predict how we should respond to the new challenges until we’re sure of where we’re standing.

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greyghost June 22, 2012 at 17:10

Brigadon
A year ago how many men have never heard of an MRA. A year ago I wasn’t posting on yahoo articles. A year ago I never posted a rply to your comment. A year ago I didn’t see women even try to understand the red pill. A year ago the cathololic church had a pope that didn’t annouce a plan to shit can feminism.
Keep talking to people you know and make sure you spend some time at the range.

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Brigadon June 22, 2012 at 17:54

heh, spending time at the range (rifle, bow, pistol) keep a year’s supply of food, save enough gasoline to drive to alaska.

I simply cannot see a significant social change occuring without violence. The corruption is too entrenched. The government is run by SUPERVILLAINS. Their ‘stormtroopers’ are the uniformed police departments and SWAT teams, They proudly monologue about their evil plans like ‘Obamacare’ , “VAWA”, and “Stimulus”. They beat their serfs (us) down by charging us so much that it is impossible to live. Evil Overlords are not amenable to peaceful power exchanges.

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Journey June 22, 2012 at 21:03

Anyone who thinks the future is in rallying around your race is mistaken. White women are worth precisely shit and most of them couldn’t give a shit about the white race anyway. The people who will hurt you the most are, through feminism, white women. They drive the laws that fuck you in divorce, child custody, false rape accusations etc and they’re the ones who lead all the “bad white male” hate in the universities and media.
If ever whitey is in trouble as a race these same bitches will automatically and instantly turn to YOU with a “well do something” look as if you must automatically put things right for them. They’ve given us 50 years of hate, lying, demonisation and bullshit. They’ve aborted tens of millions of us and done everything to demonise masculinity in the kids they did have. No worse bunch of cunts have ever come out of the kitchen.
The women I have met who have had no problem with me as a man, who can say the words white MAN without it being a crime and don’t even think of saying “the male” have all been minority women. The women who feel and behave to me like women ain’t white. They’re not arrogant poisonous people, just women.
Fuck the white race, and if there ever is violence or mass shit on whites I won’t give a fuck about white women and I hope they get screwed. I’ll care about me and the people who treat me right, not the incubators of the shittiest anti-man movement in history.

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Brigadon June 23, 2012 at 02:33

@Peter South-

Coolness on the SCA thing. what kingdom are you in?
in Artemesia, a lot of the women still understand chivalry, and the ones that don’t get the boot. The SCA has, more or less, managed to resist the terror of feminism (although I have no idea how the chicks behave away from events.)

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Peter South June 23, 2012 at 20:23

@Brigadon –

Artemesia- Canada?

I’m in Virginia, they have a place in annapolis that gets together once a week. Was looking for something to compliment the old AK and I figure the longer the better. I was reading through some of the curriculum and it seems like they teach good strategy.

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Peter South June 23, 2012 at 20:38

@Journey.

I think you labor under the misguided and racist notion that somehow other races of women are innately better than white women. They are not, it’s a cultural difference. It takes a while to figure that out but in the end they’re all the same.

Don’t say “fuck the white race”. That’s not a good idea and it’s pretty retarded as we are the most intelligent and violently capable people around. For all the bellyaching about low birth rates there’s a hell of a lot more of us than there are them.

The only reason everyone else has had a free ride on our backs so long is because we allowed it. White MEN allowed it, it was our job to tell them NO and we failed.

Asian, Mexican and South American women are well known whores the world over. Everyone knows it except dumb sex starved American guys. They would gladly fuck you right in the ass and they will if you let them.

And if you don’t believe me, marry one and bring her to the city.

White women will respect us when we start acting like men, you’ll notice white women don’t disrespect Muslim men. Women of other cultures respect you because they don’t know what low status you have in your homeland. If they did they would spit on you.

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Brigadon June 23, 2012 at 21:22

Basically, Artemisia consists of Utah, Montana, southern Idaho and the parts of Colorado and Wyoming that are west of the Continental Divide.

you would be part of the kingdom of Atlantia.

I used to live there, but… Maryland sucks ass now. Just stay away from house redshield (Deborah Rothschild), she is a mega cunt that’s been trying to feminise the SCA for years.

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Journey June 23, 2012 at 22:45

@ Peter South.

Well I think you’re living in cloud cukoo land. All this stuff about how if we just behave as men they’ll respect us is the kind of shit they come out with at the good man project, or an even more deluded and dangerous version. Behaving like a man, as in with real respect for yourself as a human being in the face of the cunt laws just gets you into jail. The feminist bitches don’t rule, we are ruled by men, basically very powerful Jewish men who hate our guts and are destroying our countries in north America and Europe.
They’ve encouraged white women to be the commissar gender for their war-on-the-white-man rule and white women have adopted the role with gusto. So fuck them and the white race right with them. They’ve enjoyed screwing us and they deserve everything they’re going to get when the powers that be decide they’ve outlived their usefulness and that it’s their turn.
As far as there’s more of us… not for long obviously.
And as for the women I know in the western country I live in they were born here and they are well aware of the state of things for men and spitting on me isn’t what they’re about. Yes I know there are plenty of minority women who are crap but it’s white women who lead the charge in fucking us.

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LBK June 24, 2012 at 01:01

This thread has been most revealing. The various WNs who commented here have shown themselves to be immature nerds who are out of touch with reality. They fantasize about being old-time frontiersmen or medieval warriors. One even boasted about his skill as a swordsman. Yeah, that will do him a lot of good against a swat team.

This fits with what I’ve seen on various WN websites. They give a strong impression of being dweebs who have had no experience with women, and are completely naive about female behavior. I suspect the typical WN has a sex life that consists of fantasizing about an idealized White Princess who exists only in his imagination. If he ever manages to have a relationship with a real woman, he will be in for a rude awakening.

These guys have some maturing to do. In the meantime, they should leave serious discussions to the adults.

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orecret June 24, 2012 at 07:15

W.F. Price -

Re: J’s comment about greyghost… and other similar commenters who resort to personal attacks and transcend the bounds of civil discourse…

Perhaps The Spearhead should bar commenters who chronically engage in personal attacks and axe-grinding rather than constructively adding to the dialog.

I imagine there are many here like myself who find the commentaries of certain “contributors” here at the site to be the biggest distraction from The Spearhead. I myself will often stop reading the comments thread when such individuals arrive. On the other hand, civil and smart comments threads are read all the way through no matter how many and how lengthy they may be. I am not the only one who feels this way.

How about a set of debate rules? Make them as simple as can be made possible to contribute to the highest level of civil and intellectual debate attainable within such a diverse community. Some debating tactics like appeals to emotion are acceptable, while the flame war starters like argumentum ad hominem (argument against the man, instead of against his debate points) are completely unacceptable.

You arsons know who you are. You are like provocateurs starting an internal dissent where there is none, discrediting the others through your bad faith.

What are your true intentions here?

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W.F. Price June 24, 2012 at 09:46

W.F. Price -

Re: J’s comment about greyghost… and other similar commenters who resort to personal attacks and transcend the bounds of civil discourse…

Perhaps The Spearhead should bar commenters who chronically engage in personal attacks and axe-grinding rather than constructively adding to the dialog.

I imagine there are many here like myself who find the commentaries of certain “contributors” here at the site to be the biggest distraction from The Spearhead. I myself will often stop reading the comments thread when such individuals arrive. On the other hand, civil and smart comments threads are read all the way through no matter how many and how lengthy they may be. I am not the only one who feels this way.

-orecret

Trust me — it’s a major distraction for me as well. I really don’t have time to be a debate monitor, so I often have to resort to simply arbitrarily deleting comments after the fact. Usually by the time I get around to it someone has already taken a huge dump all over the comments. It’s really beyond me why people get so hot and bothered over comments, but some people are extremely sensitive, and when offended they let loose with some of the most vile stuff they can conjure up. Then, when I moderate them to control the damage, more abuse typically shows up in my inbox.

I read that the NY Times employs a full-time staff of a dozen or so to monitor comments. That’s almost 100 man hours per day just to get people to behave, and that’s on a site that requires registration to comment! I think I have no choice but to require registration or something along those lines. Otherwise, it’s just more work than it’s worth.

The comment voting was helpful for keeping feminist trolls in line, but it hasn’t worked as well as I hoped it would. The unfortunate truth is that if you want to have a site with civilized comments, you have to moderate them, and that’s a time-consuming process.

orecret June 24, 2012 at 13:04

W.F. Price -

I basically agree with you on the topic of force/violence as not being the best way to institute change. It is hopeless without the complicity of those who wield force themselves.

However, we forget that so many movements in history have reached a turning point when the armed forces (including police, etc.) have turned against the establishment and sided with the people.

There are two reasons for hope that this can happen here and around the world again… and again … and again…

1) The military is overwhelmingly composed of everyday people, who suffer the everyday indignities that the rest of us suffer from under the boot of the establishment on a regular basis.

2) Militaries tend to be highly pragmatic organizations. Eventually, top brass sees that the establishment is working not only against the best interests of the people and the society, but against the best interests of the military itself and its mission to protect the people.

Force CAN win the battle for us if the military turns upon the establishment in favor of the people. It has happened too many times before to say that it cannot happen again.

The trajectory of history reveals to us that Caesar must make ever more concessions to the people if he is to retain power.

At this point in history, it is becoming clear that Caesar has nothing left to concede but power to the people and yet has no intention of relinquishing even one iota of it. It becomes more clear as the years go by that Caesar is no longer quelling civil chaos, but is likely himself the biggest cause of civil chaos and war worldwide… he and his army of little caesars, that is.

If the armed forces however start to see along these lines, then it is POSSIBLE that force can help turn the tide without violence having ever taken place. Perhaps our greatest hope lies in those who have taken an oath to protect the people.

Let’s not make those who wield force our enemies here (Not that I am saying that you are Price… You are not.). They, too, concern themselves with the same issues as we do here at The Spearhead… and, even though it doesn’t seem possible, PEOPLE CAN CHANGE.

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orecret June 24, 2012 at 13:27

Honestly, Gentlemen…

I do actually think that we are converging upon a consensus, even if at this point we have never seemed further apart. Don’t devolve into a civil war here at The Spearhead. Keep it together for a little while longer… If WE can’t no one can. We ARE the vanguard in this action. We NEED to take some ground.

I can see validity to some degree in most viewpoints, even as antithetical as they may seem.

We need some big brains to synthesize our seemingly opposing positions into a cohesive whole. Then, we will have a set of ideas with which we can form a unified plan of action, even if each and every man is acting solely as an individual agent… he will be acing as part of a unified FORCE (There’s that word again) to effect change. Real Change, not of the Obama kind… nor of that of whoever is likely to replace him…

I can see the logical possibility of a synthesis here. We just have to keep on trying to find common ground until we can pull one together.

United we stand, divided… We fall. (That is how we got here in the first place. Remember.)

Time to really put on our thinking hats. This is a pretty smart group. If anyone can see clear through to a consensus it is this group, as imperfect as it may be. Don’t give up the fight yet, men.

First we conquer the differences amongst ourselves, then we conquer the world.

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Peter South June 24, 2012 at 17:53

@Journey

When I say behave like men I mean collectively we have to tell them no.

The welfare state is the reason women are able to disrespect men. Get rid of that and stop being manginas and the problem is solved.

Women don’t disrespect men in Mexico that much because if they do they’ll be out on the street whoring again because nothing is free.

However the welfare state will not go away by itself, sorry that’s nerdy cukoo land talk if I ever heard it.

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Peter South June 24, 2012 at 18:50

@LBK
“One even boasted about his skill as a swordsman. Yeah, that will do him a lot of good against a swat team.”

I’m pretty sure the sword thing is a hobby or intended to be a sidearm. Most have body armour, AKs, drum fed shotguns and ammo out the yin yang.

Like it or not this is a nation that is armed to the teeth and both sides are gearing up. You’re on one side or the other or perhaps just caught in the middle.

Perhaps not even two sides.

What do you think will happen with this Zimmerman character gets acquitted? When that happens your skin color will be your uniform whether you like it or not. Then the tanks can roll in…they’re doing all they can to stir that pot.

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Brigadon June 25, 2012 at 17:03

@LBK-

Are you stupid or something?

I am not a WN, farthest thing from it. In fact, I am an artist and designer of bondage gear, armor, and a semi-professional Dom. No, I don’t have sexual problems, although I will freely admit that getting my rocks off pales in comparison to making a woman crawl to you, with her whip in her mouth, begging to get beaten.

Where do you get WN from this? In fact, I tend to get in fights with WN’s more often than not. I think their arguments divide the Men’s rights movement, and that they are ‘soft’ on white women, who are some of the worst and most disgusting hulks

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Pat June 26, 2012 at 19:50

Do non-whites need MRAs? Non-white women are much more traditional, while their men also gain from affirmative action and other diversity/welfare programs. “Minority” birthrates and/or immigration keep raising their power and influence. They face no barriers to organizing by race; indeed “our” government encourages it. For instance, both “La Raza” and the “United Negro College Fund,” et al., receive millions of tax dollars each year, plus legal, admin and propaganda support. Why wouldn’t they “celebrate diversity,” big government, and wealth redistribution?

Isn’t your column’s gist that, like it or not, race trumps other demographics? Diversity befell whitey because we alone fight this fact of life, which can’t last. As (white) feminism fades to irrelevance, so will, regrettably, any concerns for (white) men’s rights. We’ll walk the plank of dispossession together, like in South Africa.

We may find a reservation somewhere, or some sort of freedom of association, to save scraps of our way of life. Granted, that’s just faith talking. IF the chance comes to try again, relations between the sexes can be remade more workable, more like in the past.

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ralph gorman June 26, 2012 at 22:35

Excellent point, Mr Price, about man only owing child support if he is given the power to see how it is spent – for the child, not for mommy.

As to the use of force, that is the ultimate resort and should only be used when all else fails. However, a certain people refused to obey the laws of the British mandatory administration in 1944-1948 when they decided that the law of the Jewish people was higher than any limey law. They used force as revolution – and succeeded.

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