Children of Older Fathers May Live Longer

by W.F. Price on June 20, 2012

According research conducted in the Philippines, children born to older fathers tend to have longer telomeres, which protect chromosomes from age-related damage:

Dr Dan Eisenberg and colleagues from the Department of Anthropology at Northwestern University studied telomere inheritance in a group of young people living in the Philippines.

Telomeres, measured in blood samples, were longer in individuals whose fathers were older when they were born.

The telomere lengthening seen with each year that the men delayed fatherhood was equal to the yearly shortening of telomere length that occurs in middle-aged adults.

Telomere lengthening was even greater if the child’s paternal grandfather had also been older when he became a father.

Although delaying fatherhood increases the risk of miscarriage, the researchers believe there may be long-term health benefits.

Inheriting longer telomeres will be particularly beneficial for tissues and biological functions that involve rapid cell growth and turnover – such as the immune system, gut and skin – the scientists believe.

And it could have significant implications for general population health.

“As paternal ancestors delay reproduction, longer telomere length will be passed to offspring, which could allow lifespan to be extended as populations survive to reproduce at older ages.”

So it looks as though men’s reproductive fitness actually improves with age in at least one measure. This means that men who delay fatherhood until later in life are not necessarily doing their children a disservice, and may be contributing to the longevity of future generations.

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AfOR June 20, 2012 at 04:03

From the evolutionary perspective, a young wimminz getting pregnant by a young man is a lottery as far as the kids health is concerned, but getting pregnant by a much older man has pre-screened for a man smart and healthy enough to survive that long.

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Opus June 20, 2012 at 04:12

Science is not very kind, to unrestrained female desire, is it!- all the more embarrasing seeing women cease to be capable of reproduction at a fairly young age (45). The reason for that seems to be to enable them to help with brining up their grandchildren, however as they all seem to want to produce only one child at age 44 (thus only a 50% chance of a girl child) they have little choice but to work till 70 before being a grandparent, by which age they are probably too old to be of much use. Women are best able to reproduce in their mid-twenties, but men can reproduce for ever – and more successfully. Suck on that Femi-Nazis.

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Traveller June 20, 2012 at 04:15

“Although delaying fatherhood increases the risk of miscarriage”

Really? I doubt that, otherwise feminists would have screamed it constantly against older man going with young women.

Anyway, this depends on how much old a man should be. If this is quality vs quantity, I guess fathers should not attend their sons’ graduation in a wheeled hospital bed and oxygen mask.

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J June 20, 2012 at 04:53

Hmmm, learn somethinng new everyday. I knew a servicemember who served in the first Gulf War. He was an officer, and got to talking with one of the locals while his unit was in Egypt for some reason? Don’t remember why? Anyways, he was an older man. Had a wife his age, and one who was 18.

He said the one his age was for love, the other one, well you know? :) He actually said that and smiled.

He told me the younger one understood, taht she was actually cute, and was smiling when he said it. Can you figure that?

I think as we get older, and more successful, we start to be attractive in other ways, I don’t just mean money. Physical attraction has it’s place, no doubt. I have to wonder how much it is overrated though? If it is overrated at all? Something to think about.

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Annonymous June 20, 2012 at 05:11

In other unrelated news.

Fatherless Julian Assange whom had no such endowed father advantages whilst growing up is on the run again … And gendertopias discriminatory systems and femaleist institutuions ain’t gonna let him live long.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18519380 : “”Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, who is seeking asylum at Ecuador’s London embassy, faces arrest for breaching his bail, police say.””

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Ted June 20, 2012 at 05:20

The Most Interesting Man in the World has grey hair and a lined face.

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Days of Broken Arrows June 20, 2012 at 05:30

Having an older father will also put a child at risk for schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and autism. And may also decrease intelligence. The reason for this is that with aging sperm comes genetic mutations.

So while you’ll have a kid that will “live longer,” you may well be taking care of him or her 24/7 for the rest of your life. This article is a Trojan Horse. Also, since when is “living longer” a goal? You really want to spend those final 20 years in a nursing home?

The fact is that our bodies start producing sperm and eggs in our early teens and the best age to have kids is probably around 19-30, give or take a few years depending on gender. Thanks to feminism and a bunch of other things, people now seem to think you start thinking about kids at 35.

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Traveler June 20, 2012 at 06:28

I think having an older man as a mate/lover is a definite plus…my “friend with benefits” is 42…I’m 25. As compared to other men MY age, he is more worldly, understands his own needs and desires, is a much better conversationalist, and a superior lover. As our relationship involves no children, I suppose we personally never know about them living longer.

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FFP June 20, 2012 at 06:28

That’s cherry picking. In the big picture, this is not that significant. More important are the well known fact that an older father can bring more risks – a higher likelihood of miscarriage, smaller birth weight; paternal age increases the risk of autism, schizophrenia, a host of other abnormalities and can even decrease intelligence. Sperm counts get lower, so does sperm mobility. There is no need to evade these scientific facts. Ofc, older women face higher risks, but so do older men. Yea, they can still happen to have a healthy baby but they’re not the first and not the best choice. There is no use of going against Nature and perpetuating all this weakness – the best kids are born to young and fit parents and are also easier to raise when younger.

What good is it that you get to live longer if you have those abnormalities? What matters more is a high quality, healthy, vigorous life. Strength and fitness are much more important.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/28/health/28iht-snfert.4748536.html?pagewanted=all

Many sperm banks don’t accept sperm from men who are older than 40, sometimes even 37. That says a lot and it makes perfect sense. Most people should be done having kids by the time they’re 35-40, both men and women. That’s just the natural life cycle. Quit lying to yourselves, both men and women, you can fool Mother Nature.

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Tom Smith June 20, 2012 at 06:43

With this research, we confirm the Asian phenomenon of why it’s appropriate for an older man to be with a much younger woman. I really doubt it will catch on in the USA. Too many of the Feminists to oppose it.

But this model assumes a successful man who when deceased will be able to financially provide for his offspring. And the way the USA has gone for years, this becomes more and more unlikely.

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Mark Plus June 20, 2012 at 07:30

A study in Denmark found that older men with younger wives also tended to live longer than the control group where the spouses fall into approximately the same age. By contrast, men with older wives tend to die earlier than the control group.

I suspect sperm competition has something to do with this: Older men with younger wives, especially attractive ones, have to maintain sperm quality in case their young bitches hook up with the pool boy or something, so their bodies ramp up DNA repair in both their reproductive cells and their somatic cells. That has the effect of improving their overall health.

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Mark Plus June 20, 2012 at 07:37

BTW, semen quality correlates with both intelligence and life expectancy in men. Those eugenicists a century ago might have gotten closer to the truth about human biology than our political correctness would allow us to acknowledge:

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/170/5/559.abstract

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2009semen.pdf

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Anonymous age 70 June 20, 2012 at 07:51

>>Having an older father will also put a child at risk for schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and autism. And may also decrease intelligence. The reason for this is that with aging sperm comes genetic mutations.

I read that, too. My first thought was it was found during the same study that showed one in four women are raped every 12 minutes. [/sarcasm]

I think I once saw the actual numbers, and the increased numbers were like trivia +1, as opposed to trivia.

Just another attack on old men who have their way with chicks.

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Firepower June 20, 2012 at 07:52

If older men make better babies, then America is really in trouble. Most I see are teen Kendras having multiple babies with Teen Brandons.

I haven’t seen any older guys knock up a female in the USA and not many in public…It’s like it only exists in Hollywood and…Asia.

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namae nanka June 20, 2012 at 07:59

This had been claimed from some time back.
Quick googling brought up an interesting paper. Apparently mother’s age has the opposite effect, thus the net effect can be smaller telomeres in the younger generation of men when the age of mothers increases.
So the older men having longer telomeres might not be (wholly)due to ageing, but that they had longer telomeres to begin with.

http://www.stindl.info/pdfs/Stindl2011.pdf

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keyster June 20, 2012 at 08:28

Having an older father will also put a child at risk for schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and autism. And may also decrease intelligence. The reason for this is that with aging sperm comes genetic mutations.

I too, am very suspicious of that “study”.
Women are having children in their late 30′s to early 40′s more than ever before in history, and yet the sudden rise in autism is a big mystery. (50 year old men aren’t regularily impregnating 20 year old women, either.) There are theories about vaccinations, plastics, and chemicals and of course old sperm.

No one dares mention birth control pills and women having babies towards the end of their fertile years.

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walking in hell June 20, 2012 at 08:44

Though this study may be true, any older man with a younger women in America is in a very dangerous relationship. All the woman’s friends will be pressuring her to go out and meet younger guys.

Furthermore, if the man happens to find himself in a divorce court, the judge will want to destroy him because 1) either the judge is jealous; or 2) the judge looks upon him as taking advantage of an immature woman.

On the other hand this is good news for younger men who want to work for 20 years and then expate and retire.

In the 1950s, a standard deal was a wife till death do you part, a job, and two kids. Probably only one in ten men will get that in the future.

What a rotten country we live in.

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Art Vandelay June 20, 2012 at 09:34

I haven’t seen any older guys knock up a female in the USA and not many in public…It’s like it only exists in Hollywood and…Asia.

Well I hope not, that’s public indecency. But with age comes wisdom ;)

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walking in hell June 20, 2012 at 09:48

Guys, this is somewhat off topic but related to the post because it concerns men who want to have a family later in life. I will post it anyway in hopes of saving a few souls.

Here is what to expect from a post high-divorce rate society which is what America is now.
1) A low birth rate averaging about one child per two people–mostly because men are afraid to have children.
2) A low marriage rate–mostly because men are afraid to get married.
3) Grown men and women living with and around their mothers.
4) Women who think of the family unit as this: a mother, a grandmother, and a baby. When the women speak of a family, they never mention a man.
5) Women who are so desperate to get a baby, they will take sperm from almost any source and get a baby in any ruthless way possible.
6) You can expect the women to be incredibly slutty with something like 20% paternity fraud, gangbang parties, daddy thang, etc.
7) A bastard (fatherless) rate of at least 30% and up to 70%.
8) An increasing crime rate.
9) Increasing poverty.
10) Decreasing education.
11) Increasing suicide, depression, nihilism in the youth.
12) Lost and aimless men of all ages with a low life expectancy for men.

I base my observations on living in Eastern Europe (Czech, Russian, Polish, Slovak, Ukraine, Ireland, America). Many women in these countries have no expectation of having a husband. Given the chance to have a husband, they would usually choose to not have one around, unless he was just a paycheck who did not interfere on their lifestyle in any way. Other women have extremely unrealistic expectations that a man will ride in on a white horse and save them and their “baby” from abject poverty.

If the women live in a country where hefty state assistance is available to single mothers through welfare or child support, of course you can expect the number of single mothers to be a very high percentage and you can even expect some women to commit serial bastardization (multiple children with multiple men).

As a man living in these countries you will be hunted for sperm and money. Of the hundreds of women you come across, perhaps none of them will respect you for being a kind or interesting person. You as a man are completely commoditized in these cultures.

Even if all state assistance is removed, there is no reversal of this behavior and these trends once they are in motion. The only thing that ends this “ghettofication” and “bastardization” is a decreasing birth rate which slowly extinguishes these very sad societies.

What is somewhat alarming in America is that the family breakdown seems to be associated with a higher incarceration rate for mostly men; if this trend continues, you can expect all America to be like Louisiana: a giant bastard and slave prison with an incarceration rate for men of close to 4% (1,600/50,000) and a fatherless rate of around 40%.

My point is this: if you want to have a family, you need to take yourself to a country with the opposite of these trends.

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Rebel June 20, 2012 at 09:54

What a coincidence this article is!

Last night, on televison (Montreal) there was Charlie Chaplin’s son.
He must be in his fifties and looks in great physical shape.

He was born and raised in Switzerland and his French is perfect. He is working in a sound studio as an engineer in Switzerland.
He looks very much like his father.

Some would have us believe that men’s capacity to produce healthy children diminish with age, but that’s no more than an urban legend.

Women are yellow with jealousy at men’s capacity to reproduce until old age. It’s a very well known fact that even if women tend to live a little longer than men, they age faster than men.

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Rus June 20, 2012 at 10:28

Glad to hear it. And it matches my experience. My father is 35 years older than me. Gramps, 60-something. Great-gramps 100. About 33 years on average.

At 30 years old and without a prospective mate (for reasons we are all familiar with here), I was getting worried about starting a family. Especially as I still have a handful of years to go before I am ready to move to a more family-friendly country (Philippines being the top candidate for now).

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Anonymous age 70 June 20, 2012 at 10:31

>>Women are yellow with jealousy at men’s capacity to reproduce until old age.

Rebel nails it!

Like a bully kicking a kid’s sand castle on the beach, the feminists do not miss an opportunity to discredit anything that men can do that they cannot.

>>I haven’t seen any older guys knock up a female in the USA and not many in public…It’s like it only exists in Hollywood and…Asia.

And, ahem, in Mexico. In my village, the rich, old bastard lost his wife. He now has a 20 year old girl from a ranch living with him, and she is pregnant with his baby.

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Rebel June 20, 2012 at 10:37

@Rus:
It is quite true that a 40 y.o. man still looks young and in his prime, while a woman the same age often will looks like an old hag.

So, even at 45-50, you should still find a suitable mate of around 25 years of age. Don’t settle for a 30 y.o.: they are on the way downslope and the risk of unhealthy kids increases rapidly.

It’s unfortunate for women that they age so fast, but then again it’s the price to pay for reching maturity at a much younger age than men.

Looks like Mother Nature is playing those scurvy tricks…lol!!

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Old Guy June 20, 2012 at 10:57

I had a child when I was 44. (Wife was 40) She turned out well. Tall, beautiful, smart, earned varsity letters in two sports, captain of the long distance running squad on the track team, high honor roll, no tattoos, piercings, weird hair color, or drugs, starts as a freshman in a highly selective university as an engineering major in the fall. Classic good girl next door.

We took baby classes and they addressed the old people have defective kids issue. Total serious defects does increase after 37 for both parents, but the actual percentage of defective kids is quite low. I forget the actual numbers, but total risk goes from way less than 1% for young parents to about 1% for older ones, assuming the parents are otherwise healthy with healthy lifestyles. We were told that smoking, drinking, and other bad lifestyle choices had far more affect on baby quality than age.

The downside is you have less physical energy to devote to the kid, but the upside is you have usually have more wisdom to impart and more money to spend on the kid.

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Luke June 20, 2012 at 11:16

II’m about to have twin girls from a genetic mother who was age 23, while I was age 49 when the babies were conceived. The woman gestating them is age 24. My wife is around my age. How? Egg donation/IVF/gestational surrogacy/genetic screening/fertility clinics are our friends. There is essentially NO chance of Downs Syndrome, and a lot of other maladies, due to the screening (under 3 grand per typical “batch” of embryos from one successful IVF cycle). I highly recommend doing what we have done, for those who can afford it. (Cost > 60K in 18 months)

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freebird June 20, 2012 at 11:34

When old bucks are left to breed they produce young bucks with bigger horns.
The whole “old men are pervs” shaming works to emasculate the young ones.
Leaving them with feminine mindset over natural male aggression,not a good thing.
Hence the burgeoning crime rate among young men raised by out-of wedlock mothers.(bastards)
In turn justifying a growing Police State.

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Firepower June 20, 2012 at 12:04

Art Vandelay

Well I hope not, that’s public indecency. But with age comes wisdom

Hmm. I once agreed, until I saw how Boomers turned out. They’re in their 70′s and they’re completely NUTS.

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ce9999 June 20, 2012 at 12:18

“The downside is you have less physical energy to devote to the kid, but the upside is you have usually have more wisdom to impart and more money to spend on the kid.”

This is the best argument there is in favor of age difference in relationships. You get the wisdom and experience of the older partner, along with the youthful vitality and stamina of the younger. And, given the biological facts of menopause and the physical strains of pregnancy and childbirth, it’s pretty clear which partner is better off being the younger.

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Highwasp June 20, 2012 at 12:23

…Speaking of fathers:

“Father who beat daughter’s alleged attacker to death won’t be charged”

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/father-daughter-attacker-beat-death-texas-151942957.html

Finally a father, instead of the state, gets respected for being a protector – if all fathers everywhere were given this respect and authority then the Domestic Violence industry would out of business within a year. Imagine the cost savings to the federal and state government if fathers were given the authority to protect their families… we would replace a lot of social workers, useless child protection officers, swarms of bureaucratic paper pushers, costly court proceedings and jail terms, probation officers, lawyers… replace them with Fathers. What an outrageous concept!

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The First Joe June 20, 2012 at 12:23

It was good enough for Picasso and Charlie Chaplin, it’s good enough for me! :)

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 12:26

Keyster:
It depends on a father’s health. His age isn’t really relevant. I have guys in my family tree who were fathering kids with their much younger wives well into their 60s and even 70s with no problem at all.

In the US, Big Pharma peddles a lot of snake-oil that is supposed to increase testosterone in older men (and the same time they advertise on shows that shame older men for pursuing younger women). That’s to divert attention from the fact older male infertility here is mostly caused by stress and bad diets—and of course Big Pharma has a financial interest in anti-stress meds and junk foods as well.

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 12:33

Price:
Considering that Futrelle is always freely giving out relationship advice to his female groupies—maybe you should pass this story over to Manboobz? If he’s really interested in helping the ‘persecuted American female’ navigate her way through this tough relationship environment, he should be interested in a study that would encourage them to stop chasing gang-banging punks and pursue responsible, mature men—right? After all, it would be better for the children…

Somehow, though, my intution tells me he’ll sweep this study under the rug and go back to telling his princesses that men are the problem and they deserve better. LOL

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 12:40

Rebel:
‘Women are yellow with jealousy about a man’s capacity to reproduce into old age.’

Very true—and some women are in complete denial about it. I actually know of a few ‘liberated’ types in their 40s here in Seattle who put off making babies and waltzed one day into a sperm bank to start their careers as ‘heroic single moms’. Were they ever in for a shock when they got the medical reports back! Sorry, bitches—menopause is NOT optional!

Talk about poetic justice…LOL Think of all the men they dissed all those years only to wind up as Ms. Crabtree the aging the spinster!

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freebird June 20, 2012 at 12:56

“Finally a father, instead of the state, gets respected for being a protector”

What fathers need is the “right” to protect their families from the State.

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DCM June 20, 2012 at 13:06

I seem to recall that a few months ago the children of older men were retarded idiots.
Today’s report is likely true but issuing it now must have a secret political or social engineering purpose.

Clearly men have been a force in driving longer lifespans in humans. Although females live as long there is no way of knowing when someone is young how long they’re genetically destined to live and females become unable to reproduce in middle age. Thus the boost that has brought the potential span to 120 has been due to old men marrying or at least impregnating younf females.
That is, old smart and/or powerful men who can afford several females or who are simply the object of female lust due to wealth and power.

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TFH June 20, 2012 at 13:23

Welmer,

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Bringing visibility to this project will do a huge service…
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Five people have donated $1000 or more (and there is a good chance none of them are MRAs), but even donations of $5 or $10 can be accepted.

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PeterTheGreat June 20, 2012 at 14:28

Rebel@
“So, even at 45-50, you should still find a suitable mate of around 25 years of age. Don’t settle for a 30 y.o.: they are on the way downslope and the risk of unhealthy kids increases rapidly.”

With the economy tanking, a 60 year old guy should be able to get one around 25 if he is in good shape, and taking care of himself.

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PeterTheGreat June 20, 2012 at 14:34

Eric@
“older male infertility here is mostly caused by stress and bad diets—and of course Big Pharma has a financial interest in anti-stress meds and junk foods as well.”

An even higher percentage of impotence and infertility is men simply being tired of the old bitches and not being interested in laying her unless he has to for some occasional relief.

It is a fact that a man’s sperm count goes sky high when he’s with a sweet young thing – not to mention harder erections.

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Johnycomelatley June 20, 2012 at 14:36

My next door neighbor had a child in his 50s and the kid has an iq of 140 and is as close to a physical specimen of an Adonis as you can get.

His wife was a young fertile woman from the Phillipines.

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Fabron June 20, 2012 at 15:55

I have read that the ideal wife for a man would be half his age, plus seven years. (It was either Aristotle or Plato who wrote that. I forget. The memory fades.) That would mean that I should be looking for a 42-year-old, but I’m not looking.

It is curious why American women especially are so concerned about older men and younger women. I now live in Mexico and it appears that men with much younger wives are accepted by families and society. If the woman is especially pretty, it is assumed that the man is wealthy and she made a good catch.

Before moving to Mexico, I lived in France where age difference between a man and woman is not a concern. When I was 65, I once went to a dinner party with a young French woman friend, age 27. An older woman (I later learned she was 77) discretely asked how long my young friend and I had been together. I explained that we were not a couple, just friends. She then slipped me a card with her private cell phone number. From this incident, I gathered that the acceptable age range for me in France is at least between 27 and 77.

When I have heard American woman complaining about old men and young women, I asked what they considered to be an acceptable age difference. Give me a number. But, they never had a response.

Some people have actually met a great-grandparent. One of my great-grandfathers was born in 1804, when Thomas Jefferson was president. Women had a tougher time in childbirth back then and my great-grandfather’s first two wives died. He married for the third time at age 68 and had seven more kids, including my grandfather. This is a family tradition I don’t intend to follow.

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 16:44

Peter the Great:

That’s true too, a huge percentage of impotence is psychological. Feminist women are such a turn-off to otherwise healthy males, it’s no wonder these guys need mega-doses of Viagra. The women in our culture, though, believe that simply being female ought to be sufficient to entitle them to ‘give’ sexual ‘favors’ to whomever they please. Then, they use all that entitlement power to slut around with thugs.

I like George Burns’ way. He didn’t live to be 100 by OD’ing on potency pills.

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 16:47

Price:
Reading this study again has inspired me that, as an ‘evil white male’ and a ‘creepy older dude’, I shall resolve to do my duty as a good American and promise only to reproduce with foreign-born women who are half my age.

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Old Guy June 20, 2012 at 17:04

@Peter the Great:
“That’s true too, a huge percentage of impotence is psychological. Feminist women are such a turn-off to otherwise healthy males, it’s no wonder these guys need mega-doses of Viagra. ”

No kidding. One of the sexual fallacies du jour is that men are always ready for sex with anything that contains a pussy, on a moment’s notice. My field experience says, not true. Even as young guys, I and many of my friends turned down easy sex with women below an acceptable quality level. That is why so many young guys can’t get laid. They can, but have no taste for drunken, cigarette smoking, tattooed, pierced, pink haired, lard asses with poor social skills.

I wonder how many guys who use Viagra would still need it if nagging, empowered, overweight, short haired, this is what a real woman looks like, wifey was replaced with a horny, easy to get along with, 19 year old hot babe?

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Firepower June 20, 2012 at 17:06

The older guy-dad
hot young wife – does that appear in your daily lives?

Using Picasso and Chaplin as examples are not very…realistic.

Nor is is a white Adonis with a Filipino wife as the mother of his child. That’s not going to be George Washington’s America in the future.

You have Filipinos – you get THE PHILIPPINES.

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Eric June 20, 2012 at 17:26

Firepower:
“Nor is a white Adonis with a Filipino wife as the mother of his child.”

Huh? The only marriage demographic going up in the US is between American men and foreign women.

‘That’s not going to be George Washington’s America in the future. You have Filipinos, you get the Phillippines.’

No, you get normal Americans again: except the kids long for mom’s Taro Pudding instead of mom’s Cherry Pie like in Washington’s day. More Catholics than Protestants. Other than that, it doesn’t change too much.

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DCM June 20, 2012 at 17:32

“Fabron June 20, 2012 at 15:55
………..
Some people have actually met a great-grandparent.
………..”

I knew one great-grandfather who lived from 1863 to 1958. He was quite frail but apparently hadn’t lost his brainpower.
Possibly I met a great-grandmother when a small child. I seem to remember her but have no photos of us together. She was born about 1870 and walked from Alabama to Texas beside her parents’ covered wagon at age 14.

It’s amazing to realize you knew people from those times but it makes you realize how fast time moves even as it does show the people and events from earlier times as relevant to you and not as remote as you believe.

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"The One" June 20, 2012 at 22:31

I agree with the guys who suspect the Feminists concocted the studies about older men and significant risks of birth defects due to older sperm. If anything, it would be due primarily to their older wives nasty cooch.

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MRA June 21, 2012 at 08:20

Before age of consent laws’s came into scene, the age for women to marry was when they started their menstrual period, which is usually at 13 or 14, many kings and high status men in their 70s and 80s were married to to teens in the past and the deformity in children was very low and most of them could have 3 and 4, was very important to have a heir these days.

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MRA June 21, 2012 at 08:20

Before age of consent laws’s came into scene, the age for women to marry was when they started their menstrual period, which is usually at 13 or 14, many kings and high status men in their 70s and 80s were married to to teens in the past and the deformity in children was very low and most of them could have 3 and 4, was very important to have a heir these days.

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Firepower June 21, 2012 at 09:03

Eric

No! you get normal Americans again: except the kids long for mom’s Taro Pudding instead of mom’s Cherry Pie

Yep. Sure sounds like “america” to me.

Unbelievable – no wonder mrm is doomed.

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Emma the Emo June 21, 2012 at 11:17

I dunno if it’s accurate to say that women all married at 13-14 in the past. Depends on the class, part of the world and time, maybe? I read it was about 18-20 between 1500 and 1700 in Europe for the majority of people. And menstruation didn’t start as early as it starts today, so teens were often sterile. But yes, princesses often married earlier, even as early at 10, but I don’t think kids before the age of 16 were common.

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Gilgamesh June 21, 2012 at 11:22

@TFH
Kickstarter project appears to need only $1400 to reach its goal now.

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Gilgamesh June 21, 2012 at 11:38

The documentary is now less than $1200 away from its goal. Pretty sure they’ll be able to come up with the money on time.

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JoeS June 21, 2012 at 16:12

There was a study of the Lapps which showed that an age difference of 14.6 years maximized surviving offspring.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 20:23

“I don’t think kids before the age of 16 were common.”

When are girls most attractive? Generally between 14 and 16, a bit less so between 17 and 19. Even a few 13 year olds. Though you’re right, girls do mature earlier today due to environmental toxins and diet. Still, I’m sure most 15 year olds in the past were ripe and ready, regardless of whether they got married right away.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 20:25

“That’s true too, a huge percentage of impotence is psychological. Feminist women are such a turn-off to otherwise healthy males, it’s no wonder these guys need mega-doses of Viagra. ”

Absolutely. Women turn me off when they’re bitchy. I hate cunts and would rather jerk off than put my dick near one.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 20:27

“I have read that the ideal wife for a man would be half his age, plus seven years.”

No, that’s what liberal trolls used as a measure of whether a girl was “too young” for you. I suspect the credit to Plato or Aristotle is a joke perpetuated by liberal clowns.

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JeremiahMRA June 21, 2012 at 20:29

The Brian Banks thing would get half the money if the guy weren’t black. Racism alive and well in the US.

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evilwhitemalempire June 21, 2012 at 22:18

yes, prior to first wave fem (and it’s age of consent laws) people likely lived much longer

i knew it couldn’t be a coincidence that all the graves i’ve come across from civil war/ revolutionary period (usually freemason particularly in latter case) show folks living into their ninetees/hundreds

dirty old men rock!

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boo September 16, 2013 at 12:58

Older dudes are gross. Just like a man’ s preference for hot chicks, i’ll gamble on a younger, hotter man. U old codgers will use any study to excuse pervy behavior. Women aren’ t stupid. Not biting. You deserve your equal in age, looks.

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boo September 16, 2013 at 13:02

Half your age plus 7 doesn’t want you. Fantasies. It’s like me saying, the perfect person for me is a hunky, romantic, Tom Brady lookalike.

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W.F. Price September 16, 2013 at 13:05

@boo

You’re on a roll today.

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