Contract Killing OK in Canada — for Wives

by W.F. Price on June 15, 2012

While divorcing her husband, and having been separated from him for over half a year, Nicole Ryan decided to have him done in, so proceeded to hire a hit man to do the job. Unbeknownst to her, the guy was a RCMP officer (mountie), and she was arrested. The Canadian Supreme Court has decided to hear an appeal of her acquittal.

Ms. Ryan was acquitted by the Nova Scotia Supreme Court under the so-called “battered woman defense.” This was what got Mary Winkler an exceptionally short sentence after she killed her husband with a shotgun while he slept. Winkler didn’t allege physical abuse, but rather that her husband was a pervert for wanting her to dress sexy. For her crime, she did about seven months in jail.

Nicole Ryan alleges that her husband Michael had threatened to kill her and her daughter, and had been abusive. The court accepted her version, although it doesn’t appear that her husband had ever been convicted of a crime. Nor do media outlets seem to have taken the time to interview her husband, who almost certainly has a different version of events.

What’s different about the “battered woman defense” and ordinary self-defense cases is that in self-defense there has to be an imminent danger of harm. For the battered woman defense, there only needs to be a belief that harm could plausibly happen at some point in the future. For example, if a wife thinks her husband might lay a hand on her at some point in the future for some reason or the other, she can blow him away and then claim “battered woman defense.”

The Canadian Supreme Court has taken the case because it strains credulity that Ms. Ryan’s husband would or could have harmed her, given that they had been separated for months, and she was safe in another house with a protection order.

Nevertheless, as in the case I highlighted the other day in which a man was thrown out of his children’s life because his ex-wife “believed” he was a molester, the defense in this contract killing case appear to be using the same logic:

Brian Greenspan, another of Ryan’s lawyers, argued that Ryan was not legally wrong to “arrange a pre-emptive strike” on her husband because she was “faced with the belief that a pervasive and recurrent threat to kill her and to harm her child would be carried out.”

Of course, a feminist lawyer – the type who can always be counted on to support murder when committed by a female – stepped in to blame the problem on inadequate law and domestic violence prevention:

The Supreme Court decision could ultimately affect how the law would be applied to cases of abused women, said Christine Boyle, lawyer for intervener the Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies and the Women’s Legal Education and Action Fund.

“What is at stake is whether there is a way in which the Supreme Court can encourage the police and prosecutors to exercise due diligence in enforcing the criminal law, restraint orders, probation orders, etc, so that abused women have the equal protection of the law.”

Perhaps what she has in mind is not only decriminalizing contract killing for wives, but ensuring that the police are tasked with doing the job.

It looks as though Canada’s Supreme Court will let Ms. Ryan off the hook, scot free. The result of such a decision will be more spousal killings, of both husbands and wives.

There really is a lot of stupidity in high places.

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Uncle Elmer June 15, 2012 at 06:50

A lot of stupidity in low places too. The consistency with which these women hire undercover law-enforcement to murder their husbands points to extreme naivete’ and entitlement.

“I could walk into any bar and get laid…”

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walking in hell June 15, 2012 at 06:50

State sanctioned homicide is what this amounts to. A woman can kill you, and then later concoct a story. She will be acquitted or do a minimal amount of jail time and you won’t be alive to give your side of the story. Because she know this, she can do a quick calculation and determine that a minimal amount of punishment makes the crime worthwhile.

The underlying assumption is all this is that women don’t lie or have malicious intents; and if they are driven to violence it is for a justified reason. This seems to be an assumption in all Western countries.

Imagine living in a society where the assumption was that women always had devious and malicious motives. Sound good?

We men need to start becoming very vocal about how we are being victimized. Keeping silent and not complaining is one of the reasons why we are in this predicament. We need to throw away all macho and tough guy attitudes and play the victim card by screaming bloody murder about these creepy, inhumane injustices and laws. Tough guys end up in tough places, and that is why we are in this tough place now.

I know lots of spearhead readers don’t want to hear this, but an injustice like this would not happen under Sharia law. This woman would likely get the death penalty; and rightly so.

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Justinian June 15, 2012 at 06:52

OT-

Another Super-Alpha thug making minimum wage with 15 baby mommas sucking off the taxpayer teat.

Memphis Man Owes Child Support to 15 Women; Has 20+ Kids

This is a different guy than highlighted in this thread last month:

WOW, lets castrate him, says Child Support Enforcement Official!

These are just two extreme examples, what you won’t see in the media is the regular alpha thug who has less than a half dozen baby mommas. Those numbers are too small to be noteworthy.

I wonder how fast we are approaching the pre-civilzation rate where 40% of the men had 100% of the children

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Hf June 15, 2012 at 06:56

And yet, had he blown a tire and hopped a curb and inadvertently killed a pedestrian, he would have received a minimum sentence of 4 years (up to life) for criminal negligence causing death…

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Justinian June 15, 2012 at 06:59
Opus June 15, 2012 at 07:15

This seems to me to be so similar to the Custody case on the previous but one thread where the husband was denied contact with his children because of his wife’s fears – fears which had no factual basis to them. In both that case and this, the law is accepting a woman’s self-induced fantasies as fact. Sadly that is always the way the law carries on, whether in Divorce or Sexual Harrassement Allegations.

Not that there is anything new in this; one of my former clients murdered her husband in his sleep using the ‘battered wife’ excuse. No man would ever be allowed to get away with pre-emptive strike reasoning.

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ABM June 15, 2012 at 07:22

Stories like this just lend further strength to the argument for going your own way (in one form or another). Why would any male risk marriage these days?

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universe June 15, 2012 at 07:46

I still believe that the state of social affairs and reasonable outcomes toward such are determined by the presence of people who can add to the process.

The mrm, and/or those concerned with men’s issues, have plenty to offer their respective cultures in terms of adding a dialogue to which has so far been strictly a feminist monologue, albeit a well-fed dominance. The time span for as long as feminism has existed is not a hindrance to moving forward. We see now that more people are speaking about matters we here are familiar with. Speaking leads to acting.
Eventually, given the fact/information at our beckoning, the public will not tolerate that they’ve been misled at the expense of the public purse and the children of this current generation. Bureaucrats and public representatives supporting feminist culture for their re-elections can be voted out of their power roosts. “It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand on its own by itself” – Thomas Jefferson.

A well informed citizenry becomes a community standard that even the judiciary could no longer ignore. The founders of the 1776 Constitution idealized the participation of everyone. And it’s not difficult to attend public forums which lead to closed door decisions. People just have to play their part in how they wish to live in the way that makes better sense for everyone . This too won’t be perfect but likely better than what we currently rail against.

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Jim June 15, 2012 at 08:04

Murder is a horrible crime…unless a woman commits it then it’s ok.

With stories like this you get to see loud and clear why 93-94% of all the people in prison are male.

A guy would be in prison for a decade for doing some minor things that hurt no one.

If this insanity is ever going to stop I think two major things have to happen.

#1 the mainstream media has to be run out of business by Men boycotting it. Or we need to have the scum that run these networks and report for them replaced with human beings that actually have a conscience and care about doing things right…..which would eliminate 98% of the media easily.

#2 Get about 98% of the politicians and judges voted out and replaced with human beings.

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Mr. J June 15, 2012 at 08:16

Jim,

Your #2 won’t happen with most men being too obsessed with other (grown)men who play “games” to pay attention to anything else.

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Raj June 15, 2012 at 08:22

Nothing new. Men have always been oppressing and killing other men for female approval and sex. Taking away a man’s kids is not very different from killing him IMHO.

Only this time the court is overtly saying its ok with it. They have always been ok with it.

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Anti Idiocy June 15, 2012 at 08:33

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

– The Declaration of Independence

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Seamus the Classicist June 15, 2012 at 09:04

@Raj,

Wrong, women in the past, and especially in Antiquity, weren’t the cause of anything. More often than not they would provide a convinient excuse, an occassion for war not the cause.

No warrior in the past ever fought for a woman, there might be fights over a woman a la Achilles having a conflict with King Agamemnon over a piece of captured booty: but that had nothing to do with the girl and everything to do with Achilles’ pride. This idea that men fought and bleed to impress some female is a childish belief from the Romantic era.

No Greek Warrior fought at spears for a woman.
No Roman soldier ever marched for love.
No barbarian Germanic contested the might of empire because some woman was behind him.
No knight bleed at the Contests for “his lady’s love.”
Anymore than a boxer or MMA fighter trains and bleeds for the attention of a ring girl.

In refrence to the actual article by Mr. Price: nothign new here, we might as well call it the Clytemnestra Deffense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clytemnestra

Perhaps if the Classics were more widely studied and agreed upon as cultural currancy then people could lie among themselves that this Canadian woman was anything but a Clytemnestra despite her lies. But instead of an educated society, we have a society of technocrates who worry about the minutia of their money making organs or buffoons who watch other buffoons grab ass each other over a ball.

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Mr. J June 15, 2012 at 09:07

Anti Idiocy,

Unfortunately we have a population that is much more interested in (grown)men who play “games” than any of that.

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keyster June 15, 2012 at 09:19

Spousal Abuse Syndrome is a serious mental affliction that causes women to become confused and desperate. Even if you claim you were abused and you really weren’t, just imagining you were abused can manifest this horrid Female Only condition.

The unspoken truth is that our legal system still feels compelled to make special allowances for women because some women are known to behave erratically, if not hysterically, during menstration. NO ONE will DARE acknowledge this for fear of the FemiNazi’s, but it’s the elephant in the room.

It’s a similar “unspoken truth” applied in employment. Women are permitted more time off without question because of menstration. The issue is that there are far too many women that exploit this “entitlement”.

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Huck Finn June 15, 2012 at 09:19

Hey guys, life really is so much easier and simpler when you just say no to dating, kids, and marriage. If enough men MGTOW, ghost, and skip relationships then it will be women marching and demanding an end to the misandry laws and cultural attitudes.

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Uncle Elmer June 15, 2012 at 09:25

What is it with feminists and their propensity for swallowing every new pseudo-scientific study that bolsters their world view?

New Study Says You Don’t Want To Work With The Opposite Sex

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2012/06/15/new-study-says-you-dont-want-to-work-with-the-opposite-sex

elmer is “fed up” :

When I hear the words “New study” I reach for my gun.

——————-

and in other news :

Have $235,000? That’s What It Costs To Raise A Kid Today-Before College

http://www.forbes.com/sites/halahtouryalai/2012/06/14/have-235000-thats-what-it-costs-to-raise-a-kid-today-before-college

elmer sheds light :

What never is mentioned in these “studies” is the cost borne by the white middle-class in trying to escape the devastation of our once functional and efficient cities. To raise your children in a safe environment requires one to spend extravagant amounts of money to live in suburbs as well as to commute excessive distances for employment. Top that off with being burdened with taxes to fund the upkeep for non-productive citizens and you get a glimmer of an understanding why raising children in America has become untenable for anyone who doesn’t want to live on or near the bottom.

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NWOslave June 15, 2012 at 09:27

Women have always used hired guns to exact vengence or profit from men. The modern hired gun of choice is the State, paid for by men themselves. When the State performs the violence on women’s behalf, the blood washes off quite easily.

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Mr. J June 15, 2012 at 09:31

“NO ONE will DARE acknowlege this”

….

No, because this is such a nation of CHICKENSHITS.

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Uncle Elmer June 15, 2012 at 09:33

“The value of the study, he says, is to make employers aware that employees will naturally gravitate to others who are like them.”

Earth-shattering news. I did not know that. Thanks for informing the ignorant masses of this unusual fact. This is why we need Gender Studies.

“This does not always create an optimal team, and employers should be ready to intervene and change the composition of groups. ”

Translation : HR busybodies who contribute no value to the organization can use this as an excuse to meddle with functional teams that don’t show enough “diversity”. It’s good business and good for the bottom line.

Meanwhile, at the fish market, women sort and sell fish and men go to sea to haul them in. It has been this way for thousands of years. Might be a good idea in the name of diversity to intervene and make sure this human activity is optimized. Will have good results, to be sure.

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Mr. J June 15, 2012 at 09:34

You know, I get such a kick out of the whole “these colors don’t run” thing.
..
Shit, that all “Americans” DO is run, hide, and cower.

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Art Vandelay June 15, 2012 at 09:37

Quite ironic that she had an order of protection against him… Would they let him off the hook if he tries to kill her, now that she has proven her intent to kill him?

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Szebran June 15, 2012 at 09:37

Simply f’ing disgusting. Dont know if there any Canadians on here but if so, they should be using this case as an example of why marriage is so completely worthless for men. Once you put on that ring, in the eyes of Canadian law U are considered your wife’s property. The case should also be used as an example of what a feminist really is – A FEMALE CHAUVINIST PIG.

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dhanu June 15, 2012 at 09:48

OT: Oh, the photos of artificially abused models published in an online magazine hurt the ‘feelings’ of some women, so it causes outrage: http://mashable.com/2012/06/15/12-mag-victim-of-beauty/

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Demiurge June 15, 2012 at 09:52

“If enough men MGTOW, ghost, and skip relationships then it will be women marching and demanding an end to the misandry laws and cultural attitudes.”

Women are inherently bisexual and would probably just feminist-dyke it up even more. Better to just leave to a country that hasn’t been corrupted by feminism. The world is a different place now with the internet. You can earn a Western salary in a Third-World or developing country if you know what jobs to look for.

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joeb June 15, 2012 at 10:47

The government is in a win ,win situation . This is a classic example of don’t piss in the pool . This conspiracy goes from Banking to to Jobs ( or a monopoly on Jobs ) to Social services (the SS) and whatever they need to hold white Males in slavery .
Guys its getting Grim. Its the same old burning beds phenomena we seen in the 80s . There will be no Help from a Government that makes its wages on the Backs of us slaves . We need to group up and start Locals .

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AndrewV June 15, 2012 at 11:55

@W.F. Price
It looks as though Canada’s Supreme Court will let Ms. Ryan off the hook, scot free. The result of such a decision will be more spousal killings, of both husbands and wives.

There really is a lot of stupidity in high places.

You guys in the USA really do not understand us here in Knukistan.

You keep getting fooled because generally Canadians at a superficial level appear to be so like you in so many ways, you appear to be unable to grasp that at a fundamental level, our cultural basis is completely alien to yours.

Yes there is a lot of overlap which could be regarded as contributory, for example many people here are outraged that the decision could even make it to the Supreme Court in the first place, but for others not so much, as it is a perfectly natural progression in their world view.

I am not going to predict how the Supreme Court will rule, but not only would I be unsurprised no matter form the ruling takes, I would be willing to bet that they are not unaware of where their decision could lead to.

So rather than cite them for stupidity, I would give them credit for making an informed decision, knowing full well where it could possibly lead to, no matter what the ruling is.

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Hisoj June 15, 2012 at 12:19

the “fairer sex” in action.

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Stickman June 15, 2012 at 12:44

So i wonder would this defense work for someone else?

Example: Deputy that works at a jail is continually threatened by and even assaulted by an inmate. The Deputy knows that the inmate is capable and willing to follow through with threats of serious or deadly violence, and has even reported these threats and any assaults that may have occurred, but “nothing” was done.

The Deputy has:
*been placed under duress over a long period of time.
* been physically attacked
* been threatened with violence “ill get you when i see you on the street”
* been made to fear for their life/safety and that of their family.

So i guess all the same sort of qualifiers are there. Deputy “Jones” can now with a clear conscience pay for, or set up an ambush months after the Inmates release and kill him. Right??

OK, now lets say Deputy “Jones” is Female…..

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Rmaxd June 15, 2012 at 12:52

Pure Atheist & Nazi Sharia Law in action …

Enjoy your freedom guys, without strong tightly knit communities based on century old, proven traditions & culture, there is no unified front against pure evil

You’re now left to the natural conclusions & final solutions of atheists & nazi’s

Remember who the surveillance cameras are trained at …

Your surveillance camera’s are manned who base their morality on atheism & nazism

Once you dilute a culture’s ingrained morality with atheistic vagueries, & you have a nation of free-loading welfare driven sociopaths

Institutionalising ambiguous justice & murder, is never an end result, theyre only the beginning

Empowered by atheism & nazism, Sociopaths, always see murder & injustice & welfare as a right

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Uncle Elmer June 15, 2012 at 13:26

“Then… hurry off to write another post.”

Touche’! From the Man of Action.

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LastCrucible June 15, 2012 at 13:43

Price said:

“The result of such a decision will be more spousal killings, of both husbands and wives.”

Price, you have a habit of trying to be “balanced” when it’s inappropriate. It’s very white knight/mangina-ish.

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LastCrucible June 15, 2012 at 13:49

@walking in hell

I couldn’t care less what Spearhead readers think. Shari’a Law is based on timeless wisdom. Who the hell are a bunch of white guys, in whose country feminism was born, to scoff at Shari’a Law? Gimme a fuckin’ break.

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Doug1111 June 15, 2012 at 13:58

There shouldn’t be ANY special privileges battered woman defense. There should simply be self defense, applied equally to men and women. The use of lethal force should require a reasonable belief that you face imminent death or great bodily harm. That’s the Florida standard by statute that will be applied in the George Zimmerman – Trayvon Martin case.

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Doug1111 June 15, 2012 at 13:59

Hiring a hit man should always be first degree murder or attempted first degree murder. There’s nothing imminent about any attendant fears and plenty that’s cold blooded as hell.

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J June 15, 2012 at 14:02

Lord have mercy! Whew, I got in the wrong business. I could get a job as a hitman! I got some skills! I get free “favors” maybe on the side too?! WOW, WOW, I could even hve forgotten ever having children, respect of my peers, family, and community? Basically rip everything asunder, and get pleasure for doing it? Pimpin, dealin, total lack of committment, education, bilding a business and a brand? Forget all that responsability; go rogue, make some “real” man’s cash! By killing him for it?

Who said the Canadians had it better? Oh yeah, the Canucks did.

Gotta bounce! (puts some rap in, dreaming of his misguided “youth” days and how it could all have been different)

Hmm, hmm, hmmmmm; I guess I got in the wrong line of work! Chooisng to be a respectable member of society does not get you much huh? To bad, I think I hear some Jay Z in the background somewhere?

Society will crumble before they do anything! If they are not doing anything, they must be doing something? It can’t be good!

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Art Vandelay June 15, 2012 at 14:07

Pure Atheist & Nazi Sharia Law in action …

Oh come on… You can’t be all three at the same time.

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LastCrucible June 15, 2012 at 14:13

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Art Vandelay June 15, 2012 at 14:19

You whites are a trip. You rape and rob EVERYONE on the entire planet…cheat, lie and steal…destroy and/or poison every culture you come in contact with, turn the victims against themselves, i. e., induce self-hate, then have the gall to complain that they’re ‘in the way’ and ‘impeding progress’. White males and white supremacists are as deluded as the sickest feminist.

Well yeah, thanks for letting us do it to you for ages. Might be time for you people to actually step up?

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!!SPARTA!! June 15, 2012 at 14:33

“I killed her because I have reason to believe that she could potentially pretend to have reason to believe that I could or would kill her leading to her hiring a hitman to kill me and the courts letting her go scott-free. Therefore, I claim “Battered Husband” syndrome and should be acquitted.
I’m sure that will work…

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 14:54

It’s not enough for these bitches to bankrupt their husbands, now they can kill them too when they’re bored and get aquitted for it? I guess it’s the logical outcome of feminist policy—if they can kill babies and it’s legally sanctioned, why not their husbands too? A foetus is just ‘a piece of tissue’ to these sluts; and all men are subhumans to them too so I guess this kind of thing shouldn’t be surprising.

Another reason to avoid Anglo-American women like the plague!

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W.F. Price June 15, 2012 at 14:55

@Last Crucible

You can hand out the NOI literature in the grocery store parking lot, but not here.

OK, off to pick up the kids. I’ll check back in a few.

The Whammer June 15, 2012 at 14:57

It looks as though Canada’s Supreme Court will let Ms. Ryan off the hook, scot free. The result of such a decision will be more spousal killings, of both husbands and wives

It was the lower court that dismissed the charges and since I’m not familiar with the case I’m assuming that the prosecutor is appealing the dismissal. If she had actually gone to trial there would be no way to appeal a not guilty jury verdict by the prosecutor. This prosecutor is going against the judge and the dismissal of the charges and has managed to get the highest Canadian court to hear the appeal.
I think that the Court will reverse the lower court’s dismissal and the woman will have to stand trial.
And let’s remember that the prosecutor and the cops work together and that the cops are not too happy about some idiot judge dismissing a case where they had the suspect and evidence of her conspiring to commit murder.
I don’t think that even in Canada the Supreme Court would rule in her favour because then a man could use the same defence about fearing his wife was going to kill him so he took preemtive action.
The Winkler case was different. She was put on trial but the idiot jurors failed to find her guilty on the top charge which is why I always say not to refuse jury duty.

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Art Vandelay June 15, 2012 at 15:00

Point taken…except that it’s a myth that we ‘let’ you do anything.

Well yeah that was a pretty cheap shot and I do apologize.

I guess being a genetically recessive albino mutant demands that sickness of mind and soul in order to survive in a world dominated by civilized ‘colored’ folk.

Well my sickness served me well so far. But you are kind of forcing me to pick sides here, while I really have no problem with people of other colors or religions or whatever. I just don’t think you can claim to be more civilized or less on account of the color of your skin.

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The Whammer June 15, 2012 at 15:05

Ten of the 12 jurors were women, and at the first post-trial vote, 9 of those women voted to acquit her of all charges. The voluntary manslaughter conviction was a compromise verdict, and Mary ended up serving less than half a year in prison, with some additional time in a mental institution.

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 15:11

Art:
Well, they are stepping up. Anglo-American culture wasn’t dominant in the past because it was white; it was dominant because educated men were running it and most of these other civilizations were stuck in antiquated cultures. Now that feminism has taken over the Anglosphere, we’re seeing more masculine societies like China and Russia vying to take our place. The immediate future might be Sino-Asiatic rather than Anglo-American.

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LastCrucible June 15, 2012 at 15:15

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 15:17

Uncle Elmer:
‘It costs $235,000 to raise a kid…’

I’ll bet you can buy property in Vietnam a lot cheaper. Expatting is sounding better and better all the time!

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 15:22

Last Crucible:
It could just as well be argued that all of the civilization Africa has today was built by white colonists and has collapsed since independence. Drop the race-card, dude—it’s a logical dead-end.

It has nothing to do with race. After the European colonials left Africa, most of the governments adopted Marxist/egalitarian governments—that’s why they’ve collapsed. The same colonial powers are collapsing now because they did the same thing.

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 15:39

Last Crucible:
Yes, and Moslem culture was dominant after the fall of Rome for the same reasons. Whatever culture is dominant in the world always comes down to who is better led and better and equipped at the time.

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Robert June 15, 2012 at 15:53

We’ve gotten this far in the comments and nobody has mentioned what was on Carla Homolka’s bookshelf? Quick re-cap for you non-Canucks: Paul and Carla Bernardo kidnapped, sex-slaved and killed 2 Ontario teenagers. Carla plea-bargained a ‘battered-woman’ defence – ‘he made me do it’, supported by her self-taught library. Note that she helped Sawz-All the body in her parents’ basement before Thanksgiving dinner – they dumped the items, poured in concrete, after dinner in a reservoir – pity the fisherperson. I forget the titles but you can imagine them eg. Effort to Please a Sadist, How to Save Your Twisted Marriage, etc. She got X # of years, actually served Y, at last report was living free as a bird in Southern climes eg. Jamaica, as the Press hounded her from her Montreal clerk position in a building-supply store run by an ex-con. Became bilingual and GayForTheStay, pics available of her cell–block birthday parties. Paul remains behind bars, Canada’s SuperMax, 23 1/2 hours a day under lights and camera. Off-topic – Abos/Native Indians are the other group to enjoy these perks – that is an official Federal Parliament decision – never imprison unless absolutely unavoidable. So enjoy your walk to work in a Coastal community while exchanging pleasantries with your rapist under ‘community supervision.’ Further off-topic – rumour is that the RCMP fly in for 30-day stints in Davis Inlet – can’t ‘post’ them there – would be like months in Afghanistan for Americans.

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Traveller June 15, 2012 at 15:54

WTF is that LastCrucible? Another “Obama’s innocent son”?

Ancient Egyptians were black in 3..2..1…

Understandable, they can’t read so they see a black Thor movie and think it’s history.

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Charles Martel June 15, 2012 at 16:11

Last Crucible
You whites are a trip. You rape and rob EVERYONE on the entire planet…cheat, lie and steal…destroy and/or poison every culture you come in contact with, turn the victims against themselves, i. e., induce self-hate, then have the gall to complain that they’re ‘in the way’ and ‘impeding progress’. White males and white supremacists are as deluded as the sickest feminist.

In all seriousness, where did you get these beliefs?

Would you prefer to live in the USA or Zimbabwe? Minneapolis or Detroit?

You’ll miss us when we’re gone.

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Uncle Elmer June 15, 2012 at 16:31

“White folks was in caves while we was building empires…. We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.”

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The Whammer June 15, 2012 at 16:35

The Nova Scotia Court of Appeal upheld Ryan’s acquittal in 2010

After reading a bit more about this case I can’t believe that Canadian law permits a not guilty jury verdict to be appealed. The judge may have been biased when he sort of twisted this case into one of self defence but verdicts of not guilty are final in the US and the DA cannot appeal them although he can appeal the sentence given when a person is found guilty if he thinks the judge was too easy.
In order to appeal a not guilty verdict in the US the prosecutor would have to prove fraud or jury tampering.
So Canada is even worse than the US. You can be acquited by a jury but the prosector can appeal the verdict!

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LastCrucible June 15, 2012 at 16:39

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The Whammer June 15, 2012 at 16:42

I think you should be more concerned with the system itself and not the fact that a female got away with murdering or attempting to murder her husband. Juries are tryors of fact and law and can nullify a law in a particular case by finding the defendant not guilty. If you permit prosecutors to appeal not guilty jury verdicts then you’ve lost your right of nullification. Now you have 0 rights.

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The Whammer June 15, 2012 at 16:52

5th amendment

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation

Allowing a prosecutor to appeal a not guilty jury verdict is a violation of the 5 th amendment in the US under the double jeopardy clause

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Charles Martel June 15, 2012 at 16:59

Last Crucible
NO ONE will miss whites when they’re gone. The planet and its people will begin healing.

I’d like to know how you have been victimized by whites? What has been done to you? Seriously. How have you been wronged?

The planet is an inanimate object by the way.

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AmStrat June 15, 2012 at 17:02

lastcrucible’s hatred blinds him to his real enemies, and for that I believe we have no common ground. His presence here is a waste of his own time and our time and I believe we would both be better suited if he took his comments elsewhere.

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The Whammer June 15, 2012 at 17:07

Eric June 15, 2012 at 15:39

Last Crucible:
Yes, and Moslem culture was dominant after the fall of Rome for the same reasons

Really? And when was that? You ever hear of the Byzantine Empire ? This division between the east and west Roman Empire is really just a modern one because it was really the same empire.
And besides, the Arab Muslims learned everything they know from ancient Greek cities and their libraries in Egypt like Alexandria.

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 17:09

Last Crucible:
I don’t know where you get the idea that the Greeks were connected with Africa. True, Egypt had a huge influence on them, but almost all Egyptologists are agreed that prehistoric Egypt was settled by Mesopotamians. Nobody considers North Africa and sub-Saharan Africa as part of the same culture.

Archaeology is revealing that there were advanced civilizations in sub-Saharan Africa, but it’s unclear how much contact they had with European civilization.

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 17:11

Whammer;
That’s all true. My point was that the Moslems were better led and organized, and therefore able to utilize that knowledge than the Gothic and Frankish tribes who had taken over from Rome. Later, the West caught up and surpassed them.

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The Whammer June 15, 2012 at 17:17

My point was that the Moslems were better led and organized

Well they weren’t led well enough to take over Europe. You may want to read about their defeats. About the only places in Europe where they got a small foothold was the one side of the island of Sicily and they were thrown out of there and in the south of Spain where they were completely destroyed in 1492 and the entire area was depopulated. It was repopulated by people from the north.

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Raj June 15, 2012 at 17:18

@ LastCrucible

How I wish the solution was as simple as adopting a religious ideology.

It will not matter if a society has Federally Enforced Hardcore Sharia Law. When a man cannot say “NO” to his women, he must pay the price. This inability to say “NO” gets multiplied and we get the society that we have today.

No law, religion, ideology will save men, men will have to do it by changing themselves on an individual level.

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 17:21

Whammer:
I was talking mostly about the Early Middle Ages 7th-9th centuries AD. They were still a potent force for a fwe more centuries, but their power waned after the Fall of Byzantium and they’ve never recovered.

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NWOslave June 15, 2012 at 17:29

@LastCrucible
“NO ONE will miss whites when they’re gone. The planet and its people will begin healing.”

Mongel warriors storm the world, Egyptian hieroglyphs depict slaves, Zulu warriors were the dominant war tribe oppossing British rule, they controlled by force before the white mans arrival, women in many african cultures bared and beat their breasts to incite men to kill for them, the white feather campaign shamed men to kill for women.

There is no race, culture or gender that can claim innocence. Every culture kills for the financial ruling class. Strangely enough, over the centuries and even millenia, it seems to be the same families running the show.

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The Whammer June 15, 2012 at 17:29

This topic was about a Criminal case in Canada not all of this other nonsense.

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crella June 15, 2012 at 17:38

‘NO ONE will miss whites when they’re gone. The planet and its people will begin healing.’

Wow. Yes, Africa was all birds, flowers and honey before the white man showed up. You need to study history. PEOPLE are violent, period. Do take a good look at crime and corruption rates in countries in Africa, with black leaders and majority black populaces. According to you, crime shouldn’t exist there. Why does it?

All those drug dealers shooting up cities all over America, and the Crips and Bloods, are all whites in black face?

Naive…..or blind…which is it?

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 18:12

Justinian:
Interesting links. And something tells me that none of those ‘Alpha thugs’ in the stories are going to get blown away because these moms had ‘Battered Woman Syndrome’.

Isn’t interesting that these bitches are constantly complaining about the ‘lack of good men’ and ‘fatherly responsibilities’ but always seem to make babies with thugs? And these thugs never seem to see any consequences for their behavior, either. But the men who actually do try to be responsible get divorced, lose their kids, tossed in jail, and even killed with no remorse.

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J June 15, 2012 at 18:18

OH me, oh my.

Elmer:

“What never is mentioned in these “studies” is the cost borne by the white middle-class in trying to escape the devastation of our once functional and efficient cities. To raise your children in a safe environment requires one to spend extravagant amounts of money to live in suburbs as well as to commute excessive distances for employment. Top that off with being burdened with taxes to fund the upkeep for non-productive citizens and you get a glimmer of an understanding why raising children in America has become untenable for anyone who doesn’t want to live on or near the bottom.”

You whites are a trip. You rape and rob EVERYONE on the entire planet…cheat, lie and steal…destroy and/or poison every culture you come in contact with, turn the victims against themselves, i. e., induce self-hate, then have the gall to complain that they’re ‘in the way’ and ‘impeding progress’. White males and white supremacists are as deluded as the sickest feminist.

@ Last Crucible

Brother, I want you to read how the Kings of Africa sold their own from the middle east to Britain! Starting in 869 AD with Muslims! Then ending first with Britain and the USA, which unknown to the general public are the most enlightened on Slavery in that we actually abolished it! Your friends in Africa are still capturing and selling their own. They just can’t do it here.

Also, I am part Greek, and speak it. I can tell you that you are full of crap, though you seem unitelligent enough for me to see that I probably can’t help you. Greeks invented most of what you are talking about, India did Trig(trigonometry in case you don’t know), and chess.
Also, white slaves were not indentured servants, that is the euphemism descendents of slave holders like Obama, McCain, Kerry, and a whole slew of other politicians and wealthy, well to do members of society. One of the very things that seperate all of us from them! Also, Obama’s Luo tribe quite possibly still hunts their fellow man to sell them to slave traders in the middle east which is where most of those slaves come from. So his mother’s side of the family had five slaves at one point, and his father’s side captures them! I’m sure you’re going to love reading that.

Also, when slaves were brought with their masters to see how us white slaves in Britain, the cole mines of the USA, and the facotries, shipyards, and the like. They were greatful to not be a white slave! Also, to where your anestors at least knew their families, our slave anestors were often conveniently sold by their orphanages, who took them from their willing parents who did not want them. Either way, our ancestors had it as ad, if not worse!

Technically speaking, those descendants of slaves still own both of us, they just give you th easier tasks still, and make us work harder to pay for you. So look, you’re right, things really have not changed that much at all. Of course thei difference is you could go back if you wanted to. I have been over there, I am not sure you will be happy there. When Marcus Garvy took people there, it was not that uncommon for them to hear the taunts of “Africans” telling them that if they would have wanted them back, they would not have sold them in the first place.

I really don’t have an issue with your skin color, but your cultural ignorance. You really have no business speaking. We all know you are going to anyways. So when you are done raging at your computer, feel free to type in whatever you want. I can back up what I claim! I can tell that outside of a Zinn history textbook, you are lost!

You should read of the rape and robbery everywhere else. Blacks have the highest crime rates. Africans have even resorted to raping men, to shame whole socities and enforce their divorce! Put your Kool Aid down for a second. You should let that sugar dissolve from your brain. Starting reading something other then your black panther propaganda. Of course, maybe you can get that at your voting booth when you need replacementsflyers!

Also, I get none of the fianancial aid you do. I would have to go to a “all-black” college to get the federal aid package you do anywhere else! BET, EEO laws, quotas, sympathy everywhere ou go. Also, the ability to throw the race card whenever you want. I also just came from teh mall in my white-winter-wonderland, there was a shoplifter there. Can you guess what race he was? He had maybe fifty dollars of stuff. To spend a year behind bars if he is a repeat offender. You sit at the governemtn tit, not knowing you are still it’s slave. I actually pity you. I would help you, but you are too afraid to strike out on your own! Besides, with all the free stuff you get, and the numerous free get out of jail cards you get from stealing, please tell me why I don’t get that? I’m sure you know.

Also, I was hunting afircan slave traders off africa. Nothing. Not one vessel! I would have given my life for a man, woman, or child of any color to save them from sucha horrible fate that their black-african countrymen, and family members subject them too for money. So don’t throw racist crap at me. I know from first hand experience about your BS. Shut up! Seriously!

Elmer is right, none of us like getting beaten at city fairs (WI), michigan ave in Chicago, Peoria Illinois, Philly, Seattle, Texas, OKC, Cali, NYC, Atlanta. All of those places have sprawling populations with high crime. Whenever we leave, we establish safe, prosperous communities. When you follow they have a word for that, it derives from Detroit. It is called Detroitification! Cheers!

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 18:18

NWO Slave:
I’m also willing to bet that Ms.Princess agrees with the Sisterhood that she ‘doesn’t need a man.’ She needed to hire one to waste her husband though.

If the Mounties keep up busting female-run sex-slave operations and going undercover to bust women trying to kill their husbands, they’re liable to be put on a ‘watchlist’ as some kind of hate-group.

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JeremiahMRA June 15, 2012 at 18:31

Until men start killing such women nothing will change.

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Uncle Elmer June 15, 2012 at 18:33

The Whammer June 15, 2012 at 17:29

This topic was about a Criminal case in Canada not all of this other nonsense.

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True. But race dialogues at Spearhead are always refreshing and thought-provoking because of the diversity of opinions. And we need LastCrucible just like Atlantic, Time, Salon, and so many other competing outlets have their own Black Journalists. Here you can engage LastCrucible, on those sites you will get banned for your words.

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J June 15, 2012 at 18:44

Again, elmer is right.

A family member of mine is a mathematician. He had to finish at an all black college to save money because of his family. He got a full rife so they could still claim federal funding for their racist antics. He never elaborated why he hated hsitory classes there. One can imagine it is the same with Elmer’s observation about their blogs.

I’ve met the actual tuskogee airmen, crashed boards on the Harlem Ambassadors. Competed in college, and all in the face of black men who felt free to insult me because I am white, with no fear of retribution.

When I was in college, I got a half scholarship for sports. A friend of mine, black man, got the same. However, where I got student loans that took me forever to pay, he got a full ride in pell grants, so he did not have to work I had to to play my sport, go to school full time, and work full time. He just chilled, and coasted through.

Last Crucible, I have seen his type. They are garbage! We can all see that. They beat white people on the street, steal, rape, murder, and the media never says anything. One of us beat up, shoot, or attack a black guy in self defense and we are castrated publicly by the media.

He is a crap sack. Let me have him, like I did what’s her name medical student.

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J June 15, 2012 at 18:51

God this keyboard sucks. It typed rife? not ride. ugh.

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Traveller June 15, 2012 at 19:06

“White folks was in caves while we was building empires…. We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.”

Sure, with an average IQ of 70 it is enough you are able to peel a banana.

I hope our host next time will think twice before blarneying the poor blacks.

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 19:07

JeremiahMRA:
‘Until men start killing such women nothing will change.’

You forget about the double-standard. Men who kill women tend to die with nooses around their necks.

If this Canadian guy had been aware, he never would have gotten involved with this bitch and would be still be alive. An ounce of prevention would have gone a long way in his case. Every guy who turns from feminsed women may be literally be a life saved in this day and age.

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Jabberwocky June 15, 2012 at 19:50

“No barbarian Germanic contested the might of empire because some woman was behind him.”

Actually, Germanic women would at times literally stand behind their men in combat, blocking their escape with carts so that they couldn’t retreat, and would participate in battle themselves if needed. It was a warrior culture of honor for men and women, even if it was a bit naive. The baby makers are needed to replenish the population after a defeat. It doesn’t make sense, from a practical stand point, to put all your eggs in one basket like that. But culture counts. It makes people do strange things, things against their own interest often enough. But your general point stands I think, if not a bit too absolute.

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Jabberwocky June 15, 2012 at 20:29

Those who know me know I see things through the lens of evolution, so let me put my two cents in on race. I’ll try to keep it short and only talk about whites (of European descent) and blacks (of African descent).

The African continent has vastly more genetic diversity than the rest of the world. Take that into consideration when analyzing the issue. But it has been studied, and Sub-Saharan blacks have the lowest average IQ out of the worlds populations. However in my opinion, IQ is a partial facet of intellect no matter how broadly they try to make the tests parameters, and in my opinion is generally over valued as a measurement of cognitive ability (it doesn’t measure EQ, and Einstein said something along the lines, “I’m not that much smarter than everyone else, I just stick with the problem longer.” That’s EQ in effect. And take all this from someone who scores very well on IQ tests. Success in life outside of a handful of professions has little to do with IQ. I’m currently a pretty big failure myself.

Whites evolved whiteness so they could absorb more sun to produce the necessary amount of vitamin D in colder, wetter, darker climates. But, and this is theory, because whites had to survive through harsh winters, our brains evolved differently than many of the other races on more mild or stable continents. We had to plan and provide for times of scarcity or we died. Also, during the dark winter months, we were given the time to use our intellect for pursuits outside of immediate survival. The net result was the evolution of a cognitive platform that allowed us to develop better long term planning and invent superior tools. The synergy of this one-two punch was very useful for “getting our way.”

The oriental race has a slight IQ edge on whites. The ashkenazi jews have the highest IQ of all the races. So it’s not our IQ, but the way we think, biologically and culturally, that gave whites a little edge.

BUT!:

The main reason whites dominated the world so well has to do with the abundance of easily accessible energy resources they had at hand. First, lots of forest for wood. Second, all the boating around the Mediterranean, European coasts and islands, led to the perfection of wind power first. Boom! America eventually discovered (and learn about the history and influence of windmills). Then easily accessible coal was shortly discovered all over Great Britain. This led to the eventual development of the steam engine. The steam engine triggered the start of the industrial revolution. Whites win through a combination of strategic thinking and resource acquisition. We are not the smartest, cleverest, most ruthless, or most greedy, although we have these traits a plenty. We are not generally superior. We had luck and long term planning on our side.

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Gx1080 June 15, 2012 at 20:54

OT news:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47834917/ns/health-health_care/#.T9v-crVYsk0

The Catholic Church told Obama and Co. to fuck off, we aren’t going to pay birth control.

Also, the tendence of Lefties and anti-Lefties to act like Leftie victory is inevitable is a highly annoying desilusion. It isn’t.

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J June 15, 2012 at 21:00

Hmmm, I have read a lot on this. I am not convinced yet. It is hard for me to accept that. I don’t have a dog in the fight, but a lot of creatures/species resort back closer to the original form then necessarily grow into something else. Whether any have an inate advantage I think will require further study. Their are far too many political axes to grind for me to believe the interpretation of the data I have been reading. They have an agenda of one sort or another most of them. Having your heart in the right place does mean you don’t have your head up your a$$. I am not applying that statement to you, just making an announcement of my opinion of a lot of so called “scholars.” They lead with agenda, and discard a lot of data that does not agree with whatever their preconceived notion is. You have to read both/all sides an then compare after you study your hypothesis. Then allow time for tohers to compare, and test your hypothesis. Those making these claims, most at least are not doing that. Those who are are not as sure.

For example, if blacks just out run whites, that is that. If Asians are just smarter then so be it. If whites are some incredable combination between the two, I still see people try to persuade poeple how nice they are by saying BUT! This person is really nice, or it is not like that for every one. Personally, if it is, then it is. If it is not, then it is not! Not that long ago people were saying whites were better then everyone. It takes time for evolutionary scientists to get it right. I feel they are too politically tied to certain prevalent ideological world views. Now that black americans are dominiating so many sports being 13% of the population, they are superior athletes after the last several decades. However, white people are generally smarter according to the same prognosis. I find this hard to believe considering that can’t have figured in to much of environmental influences.

Culture, diet, societal changes, geographical location. They may not take over evolutionary theory, but if one looks at the geocentric model fo the universe that lasted from ancient Greece to galileo, stupidity can take a long time to dissipate. However it takes but a minute to get fermented. For example, the muscle fiber of east africans, if we moved the population out of the mountains for a hundred years and came back, would their genetic material variate “BACK” to their countrymen who don’t live in the mountains?

If for example more and more men of european descent start winning in basketball, track, and american football, we will have to rethink it. Also if we start seeing more and more Nobel laureates who actually earn their prize with black skin color in the sciences. I believe they can, I know they can. I also know that white men have the capability to run a ten second sprint. Although rare, there is genetic variation. I don’t think we can classify ourselves completely as the human race yet. It is a testament to how little we do know, even though we may know alot.

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The Whammer June 15, 2012 at 21:11

Huck Finn June 15, 2012 at 09:19

Hey guys, life really is so much easier and simpler when you just say no to dating, kids, and marriage. If enough men MGTOW, ghost, and skip relationships …
blah blah blah from the omega loser

Why don’t you just hang youself or take up heroin and enjoy yourself until you die? Or go live in a tent on an island with your fishing rod. I’ll find you a nice island where you can be by yourself and away from civilisation and it won’t cost you anything. You can plant some crops in the summer and eat fish the rest of the year.

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 21:18

Whammer,
If you know of such an island well-stocked with attractive island girls, I might be interested!

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freebird June 15, 2012 at 21:21

If the court lets her off on attempting to kill on a whim,they should also let off the would be killer if he did kill.
An ordinary man would prosecuted, perhaps Mounties would be exempt or more likely just female Mounties,or plain female citizens.

After the “first fault” has always been with the person premeditating murder,and the killer as an accomplice.

Let’s say for instance the hitman actually performed the job,he was just following the “wisdom of preemptive self defense” that the woman has a RIGHT to..

This amounts to legalized killing of men,or a Jihad against Canadian men if you will.
The courts are then accomplices in waging a war-or murder all depending upon your viewpoint.

Tied to the troll attempting to divert comments away from the insanity of these courts.
Looks like something Futrelle would do.
Don’t fall for it,the OT is very important to discuss.

We’re talking about legalizing men as animals to be killed upon a ‘first class’ citizens whim.

You DO know what the proper response to war being waged upon you is?
It is certainly not compliance.
It is opposition of equal or greater force.
This is insanity that the courts got this far to begin with.
How can men of good conscience allow insane courts and judges to prevail?
They cannot.
“All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.”

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freebird June 15, 2012 at 21:26

“there only needs to be a belief that harm could plausibly happen at some point in the future”

I have a belief the judges and courts intend to do me harm.
I should get off scott free too,right?
Right?
Naw.lacking the magic Vagina pass.

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 22:03

Freebird:
‘You do know what the proper response to the war being waged on us is.’

The best way to avoid these situations is to avoid Canadian women (or women from any other part of the Anglosphere). Leave them to the thugs they want anyway—they both deserve this kind of ‘justice’.

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Dubcik June 15, 2012 at 22:06

Contract killing of men OK in Canada, and men of Sweden not allowed to pee standing up. You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/06/stop-stand-up-urination-for-men-swedish-politicians-urge.html

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 22:06

‘Tied to the troll attempting to divert comments away from the insanity of the courts. Looks like something Futrelle would do.’

Yup. Aside from other recent anomalies, I’ve noticed mens blogs being subject to a lot of this recently.

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evilwhitemalempire June 15, 2012 at 22:15

White folks was in caves while we was building empires…. We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.
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and let’s not forget those highly sophisticated guidance systems that steer planes into buildings

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freebird June 15, 2012 at 22:19

@Eric-Generally speaking “defense from abuse” does not just apply to married men, it applies to men some false accusers have never met.

A woman unknown to you could use this same “defense” illogically speaking.
Perhaps the sight of your intense “male gaze” would be just cause..

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evilwhitemalempire June 15, 2012 at 22:28

The ashkenazi jews have the highest IQ of all the races.
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and it’s the jews that all the crazies say run everything

which begs the question: are those people really crazy or do we just think they are crazy because people with higher IQ’s than us want us to think they are crazy?

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Eric June 15, 2012 at 22:34

Freebird:
That’s not outside the realm of possibility. A few years ago, our city council defined ‘visual rape’ as looking at a woman longer than thrity seconds.

So, theoretically, it’s entirely possible that she felt ‘threatened’ and had to act in self-defense…

Soon we’re going to see the signs up: ‘No dogs or men allowed on the premises.’ Or maybe we’ll get to wear something like yellow Stars of David or Pink Triangles, so that mannish bulldykes don’t get shot in ‘self-defense’ by accident.

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Ted June 15, 2012 at 23:20

“A woman unknown to you …”

Don’t know her? Her psychic advisor picked you out though. Thought you could get away with that, did you?

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will June 15, 2012 at 23:33

Once women are not getting married they will push for a bachelor tax to continue the transferrence of wealth. And men that don’t pay the tax will not be allowed to leave the country(source daily economist: bill in congress could suspend your passport if you owe taxes to the IRS)

To fund the transferrence of wealththey will be put to work in prison. (Source Global research: The prison industry in the united states big business or a new form of slavery)

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Ted June 15, 2012 at 23:34

“I’d like to know how you have been victimized by whites? ”

I’d like to know that too – as it applies today. Past injustices should be treated differently though, otherwise you get the “thousands of years of oppression for the poor ladies” phenomenon.

Past events determine the situation we have now, but we can only tackle the situation we have in the present time. Suppose everything you know about the past was wrong – an elaborate hoax, say. Well, that doesn’t change the situation we have now. Too much focus on the glories of the past, which probably never existed, is a waste of time.

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will June 15, 2012 at 23:39

@Last crucible

Please cease your white male bashing. Otherwise you are no different from feminists.

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Ted June 15, 2012 at 23:42

A major payoff of racism is that you can get to feel good about stealing other people’s stuff. Those poor low IQ people living on top of all that oil (or diamonds, or whatever) – why, they just don’t have the brains to know how to extract it themselves. We’ll help them out; it’s the white man’s burden, don’t you know.

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evilwhitemalempire June 15, 2012 at 23:50

from dubcik’s link;
Vänsterpartiet, known as a socialist and feminist organization, believes seated urination is healthier for men and more hygienic for both sexes.

Party speakers cited medical research they said shows men empty their bladders more efficiently while seated. Improved bladder evacuation reduces the risk for prostate problems, according to the party. It also helps men who sit rather than stand achieve a longer and healthier sex life, it said.
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just like circumcision makes dicks less susceptible to infection
sure

Viggo Hansen, a substitute council member who authored the motion, told Sveriges Television that that the move does not represent an attempt to meddle in the bathroom habits of citizens.
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no, it’s far more serious than that

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Ted June 15, 2012 at 23:56

The success of the human race is driven by its technology. The stone age; the new stone age; the iron age; the beaker people; us! The success of the white-skinned peoples stems from their superior technology. So it’s melanin that has interfered with the invention of the screwdriver, right?

Before going for an explanation like this, you need to look for and exclude confounding factors – other correlates. White skin is correlated to absence of sunlight, high latitudes, and predictable seasons without much food. That’s where I think the link with technology is.

However it gets developed, once it’s out of the bag, it’s out. We all talk to each other; that’s another uniquely human attribute.

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evilwhitemalempire June 16, 2012 at 00:13

White skin is correlated to absence of sunlight, high latitudes, and predictable seasons without much food.
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evidently also correlated with an absence of conscience regarding contract killings

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Jabberwocky June 16, 2012 at 00:23

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Ted June 16, 2012 at 00:36

“IQ is overrated.”

Yes, I agree with this. And only slightly because I usually score around the average. The main reason for my doubt is the “Flynn effect” – IQ, as measured by standard tests, has increased consistently ever since those tests were invented. If you backtrack it, eighteenth century people had IQs averaging 80. Something else is going on.

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Troll King June 16, 2012 at 01:09

OT

http://thebillfold.com/2012/05/young-privileged-and-applying-for-food-stamps/#comment-4207

A white feminist woman who majored in sociology writes a shit article on how she was forced to go onto food stamps, to afford beer and cheese.

Just a example how women are parasites and will never truly be independent or empowered without the support and sacrifice of men.

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Troll King June 16, 2012 at 01:23

OT but this is interesting:

Privileged woman talks about the peace corps and reflects on how great she has it. Now if she could only realize that the men in her own country don’t have it half as good as she does then she might be on the right track.

http://thebillfold.com/2012/06/i-joined-the-peace-corps-to-keep-from-becoming-an-asshole-it-worked-mostly/

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Troll King June 16, 2012 at 02:14

OT again but here is another interesting feminist article. I say interesting because now feminists aren’t even hiding what feminism really means to them.

They are openly admitting that feminism is about changing men for the benefit of women. It is about supremacy and power over men, not equality or egalitarianism.

Check out comment 44 too, the feminist bitch is a stay at home mother who doesn’t work and she doesn’t even do the dishes or about half of the other stuff that would be her job role. She makes her husband work fulltime and do that stuff too. Feminists like to cry about how SAHMs is the hardest job in the world but it is only a true statement if you are worthless as far as the tasks go, which it isn’t surprising that a feminist would be worthless at domestic tasks. It is obviously true because her husband can do it and hold down a full time job.

http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/why-empowering-girls-isnt-working

Also read comment 81…what a bitch.

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The Whammer June 16, 2012 at 02:27

Jabberwocky , you poor confused boy.

“Most early civilizations were technically more ‘black’ than ‘white’, much like Jesus would have been.”

That’s false. ALL early civilisations of any note were Caucasian. The negro race was a tiny group on the west central coast of Afrixa. It took 1000′sof years before the population increased and they began migrating. There were no negroes in East Africa until 1k BC
The people occupying the middle east and N Africa were all from what we call the Old European group and were all Caucasians. From Britain to Africa at that time they were all the same. They are sometimes referred to as the OLD Mediterranean group. There were many clans and some of them formed into a loose group called Hebrews. Jesus was a Caucasian and besides we know what he looked like because his stepbrother James was an artist and had painted him.
He was 6′ tall with reddish hair.
ANCIENT Egyptians were Caucasians which is why Egypt is always included in Western civilisation. There were no negroes until 1k BC and the ones who mixed with the Caucasians in Arabia are the Semites (Arabs)

“This holds true from Egypt, up to Turkey and on over to the Indus valley region.”
All of those areas were Caucasian and another sub group called Indo European Aryans in ancient times. Sanskrit (which is not spoken by Indians today) is an old Aryan language and a cousin to Latin. The caste system began when dark people began moving in from the south and was really a race system.Mulatto, quadroon, octoroon etc
And btw, Istanbul is in Europe near Bulgaria and the Turks are Caucasians. The distance from Istanbul to Riyadh is like going from the coast of the US to the middle of the country. I only mention that because guys like you think all of these countries are next door to each other.

“That said, the Sub-Saharan blacks are what I was specifically referring to, and they lived in an isolated stable desert ”
The small group of negroes lived on the coast not in a desert. No one lives in the desert or jungle. They may live near it or on the edges.

“and Sub-Saharans are the seed peoples of humanity ”

There is no proof of that at all. They may not even be the same species of humans. You have to remember that we just invented these classifications and it was fairly recently that we just said that all humans on earth are Homo sapiens sapiens but some may be Homo sapiens idaltu a sub species in Africa thought to be extinct. Black skin may just be a random mutation and may have nothing to do with the sunlight near the equator. When populations are tiny the founding genes are important. Besides, until fairly modern times the small negro race was said to live in the rain forest. In these rain forests the gound is fairly clear and there’s a canopy that really blocks direct sunlight and in fact it’s do dense that you can even walk on in places. Less direct sunlight than in Europe. A lot of the theories we have sound good but I think they’ll be revised in the future.

“Genius arose there first”

Name one and don’t give me some Arab from Timbuctoo a new city dating from 1400.

“But genetic diversity between individuals far exceeds the diversity between races ”

You know this for a fact or are you just repeating some nonsense you read? We still don’t know what 95% of genes are for so you may want to reserve judgement until we really know something.
Personally, I go by the “Proof is in the Pudding” theory :)
I can’t analyse every element that goes into something but I can see the end result. I can see the Caucasian ancient Egyptians and the pyramids and on the other side of Africa black people who only managed to build simple structures and huts.

“A high IQ often makes someone weird. They can often be geeky, nerdy, non-social, and even maladaptive”

I haven’t found this to be true in general and the high IQ men seem to be good at everything including attracting the top females.
It’s actually lower IQ’s that are associated with mental disorders and anti social behavior (that’s a generalisation)

“Raw mental processing power is not always a bonus because of the trade off with other cognitive faculties such as instinct, emotion”
That’s not true unless you’re an idiot savant like Rainman. You’re trying to rationalise that a low IQ is somehow good. And what makes you believe that there’s some sort of “trade off”. Next you’ll be telling us that good looking people are dumber when in fact we know that they are generally smarter. No trade off.

“Because human genius requires a subtle blend of human behaviors, IQ is just one element to help it along”
You still need a level of IQ PLUS all of the other factors not in lieu of.

“Einstein had a unique brain anatomy”
But he didn’t and when it was disected it just looked like any other brain so perhaps it had to do with function.

“All of this is a lot of my opinion”
Opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one.

“I judge people as individuals. ”

That may be your problem Intelligent people know how to make generalisations. You’re looking at the exception rather than the general rule. Females do this.

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Ted June 16, 2012 at 03:20

“I can see the Caucasian ancient Egyptians and the pyramids and on the other side of Africa black people who only managed to build simple structures and huts.”

Take a look at the ruins of the royal palace at Great Zimbabwe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe

Wikipedia says

“The ruins were first encountered by Europeans in the late 19th century with investigation of the site starting in 1871. The monument caused great controversy amongst the archaeological world, with political pressure being put upon archaeologists by the government of Rhodesia to deny its construction by black people”

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Ted June 16, 2012 at 03:40

“and Sub-Saharans are the seed peoples of humanity ”

“There is no proof of that at all.”

Proponents of the Mitochondrial Eve hypothesis place the “seed peoples” variously around Tanzania, or maybe around the Angola-Namibia border.

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Ode June 16, 2012 at 03:45

Better to just leave to a country that hasn’t been corrupted by feminism.

Expating is a big step, most people just can’t handle it. A less drastic alternative is to just go traveling.
For example
San Jose , Costa Rica
Airfare roundtrip from the USA $800
Prostitute $50 for one hour
BTW prostitution is perfectly legal in Costa Rica.
With prices like that a 5 day vacation can cost $1,500 you can have a good time. Two vacations per year will set you back $3,000, perfectly affordable for a single guy.

The number of men who expat is such a drop in the bucket it will never be a major force in culturally changing society.

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Ted June 16, 2012 at 03:47

“Black skin may just be a random mutation and may have nothing to do with the sunlight near the equator.”

You so often these days read the warning that “correlation does not mean causation.” So often, in fact, that I suspect people are starting to think that correlation precludes causation.

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The Whammer June 16, 2012 at 04:54

“Proponents of the Mitochondrial Eve hypothesis”

A discredited theory. And besides, do you really believe that they can extract any useable DNA from a tiny bone fragment that’s 300k years old.The “out of Africa theory” of 100k years ago was just really migrating Caucasians back and forth depending on conditions because there were no negroes in East Africa where the migrations took place.We pretty much know where the tiny 1m human world’s populations lived in modern times from 10k years ago until the present. Ask an expert to explain it to you. And the out of Africa theory of 100k years ago doesn’t make sense because the oldest Human footprints found are 350k years old and they are in Roccamonfina, Italy.

“You so often these days read the warning that “correlation does not mean causation.” So often, in fact, that I suspect people are starting to think that correlation precludes causation.”

I was merely giving an alternate theory regarding skin colour.

“Take a look at the ruins of the royal palace at Great Zimbabwe”

I’ve seen this stonework in Rhodesia years ago but it doesn’t compare to the Great Wall built much earlier or the pyramids etc. We don’t even know who built it and it’s a mistake to automatically think that it was by black Africans. It’s like assuming that the 90% black city of Detroit was built by them just because they are the last people who lived there. Caucasian people from the mid east also migrated south. We know that the Hamites did and ruled many black African peoples until they were absorbed after many centuries by the much larger native people sort of like the original Aryan people in India were outbred until we have what you see today. The stonework also only dates from about 1400 and may have been done or under the direction of Caucasians migrating down the coast. They did have boats and the fact that Caucasians have traveled to every place on earth even in ancient times may indicate that they also built these things and then for some reason abandoned them and the natives just moved in. Sort of like Detroit :)

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Troll King June 16, 2012 at 05:10

OT again.

I think this feminist post and especially the comments are fascinating for so many reasons. There is so much to pick apart. The most interesting thing is that it betrays a common feminist argument, “that feminism isn’t really like that…feminism isn’t a monolith…two radfems on the internet don’t encompass all of feminism…etc..”

They understand, atleast the commenters, what mens problems are and that NOW and other top level feminists are against mens rights and concerns.

Also, the entire post is one hysterical rant against a strawman version of a book that they don’t seem to have read. The comment section is long, over 200 comments, but just glancing through it shows me that they perfectly understand how the duluth model works and so many other things related to how feminism fucks over men.

They aren’t even tried to hide or couch their misandry in feminist arguments anymore. Infact, they are letting it all hang out and even weirder they are trying to appropriate the term misandry which is weird to watch cause just two years ago their common refrain was that it was a made up word and didn’t exist in real life….lol

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2012/06/10/all-hail-the-matriarchy-and-a-note-to-the-dudebros/#comments

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Ted June 16, 2012 at 05:11

“do you really believe that they can extract any useable DNA from a tiny bone fragment that’s 300k years old.”

Mitochondrial Eve, and also Y-chromosomal Adam, are deduced from the DNA of humans alive today.

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The Whammer June 16, 2012 at 05:27

Mitochondrial Eve, and also Y-chromosomal Adam, are deduced from the DNA of humans alive today

That means nothing

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Peace Debts June 16, 2012 at 05:37

Ted June 15, 2012 at 23:56
“The success of the human race is driven by its technology. The stone age; the new stone age; the iron age; the beaker people; us! The success of the white-skinned peoples stems from their superior technology.”

And anyone knows technology grows on trees.

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Ted June 16, 2012 at 05:37

“that feminism isn’t really like that…feminism isn’t a monolith…two radfems on the internet don’t encompass all of feminism…etc..”

It’s not just NAFALT, it’s Not All Feminists Are Like Each Other. What a lot of feminisms there are. This feminism. That feminism. The other feminism. I don’t have the patience to make an exhaustive classification.

Why is it like that? I like to think it’s because feminism is a “bottom-up conspiracy”. The classic, typically male, top-down conspiracy has meetings, decisions, orders; it has a plan. The bottom-up conspiracy has none of that; all it requires is the perception of a common benefit. In the case of feminism I don’t think it goes much further than “I’m a woman; what benefits women benefits me; so Yeah” All the gurlz point generally in the same direction, which is due What’s Good for Her. Because there are no clear lines of communication, you get endless variations according to local conditions.

I suppose to be balanced and fair and unsexist, I should say that MGTOW seems to be a bottom-up conspiracy too; and NOW is an example of a woman’s top-down conspiracy.

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greyghost June 16, 2012 at 05:42

LastCrucible June 15, 2012 at 13:49

@walking in hell

I couldn’t care less what Spearhead readers think. Shari’a Law is based on timeless wisdom. Who the hell are a bunch of white guys, in whose country feminism was born, to scoff at Shari’a Law? Gimme a fuckin’ break.

When you take the frustration of the state reomving him from his child and forcing him to be beholden to his childs mother combined with a life time of immersion in flawed african american culture (which is nothing more than ruling elites brainwashing themselves incharge) this is what happens. Black men from the beginning of feminist destuction of black families have always due to culture incorrectly seen it as racist in fault and nature. (I think that perception is done on purpose by black and white elite leaders) The bullshit become the essence of who the the people raised in the lie are. What we are seeing in Last Crucible is what it actually looks in this and all of his comments on this article.

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Ted June 16, 2012 at 05:52

“I think this feminist post and especially the comments are fascinating for so many reasons.”

Two things struck me about it. First, it seems to have a tone of suppressed hysteria. On some level, I think she realizes that they are about to lose it.

Second, she is divorced from reality. She writes, directed at men: “When you create and enforce a system of gender roles in which “real men” etc etc etc. She imagines that it’s a creation of men; that men don’t have to respond to the reality of the world around them, that they have a choice, that they can create what they like. She can think like that because women are insulated from reality to a certain extent – they just moan and nag and wheedle load and long enough and the men will deliver. Which has been the case up to now; but not for much longer.

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Rmaxd June 16, 2012 at 05:53

@TK

How long till they call everything misandrist … lol

Not paying child support is misandrist … the glass ceiling is misandrist , men having parenting rights is misandrist …

When women co-opt a word, applied stupidity is always the usual result

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Rmaxd June 16, 2012 at 05:58

@Ted

True most dont have a choice about the roles theyre forced to choose, just like the child support & alimony & walking wallet roles theyre forced to pay

The barrel of a guns always at the temple of a mans enforced slavery

Sex & children & status are the carrots, before the double barrelled shotguns levelled at those who who’re stupid enough to take the bait

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Ted June 16, 2012 at 06:03

[Mitochondrial Eve, and also Y-chromosomal Adam, are deduced from the DNA of humans alive today]

“That means nothing”

Are you sure of that? The way languages change and give rise to a family tree of descendants is similar to real family trees. You can deduce origins and movements from relationships between languages. When you wrote (to Jabberwocky): “Sanskrit (which is not spoken by Indians today) is an old Aryan language and a cousin to Latin” you seemed to be giving credence to the idea.

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migu June 16, 2012 at 06:13

Ignore him Ted. I see today he is capn anthropology.

No whammy no whammy and…..stop.

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Troll King June 16, 2012 at 06:22

@RMAXD

If you look at some of the feminists from NSWATM, which is now bundled with The Good Men Project, you will see them using the word misandric to describe everything that has a effect on women cause Ozys law or something.

At first the blatant appropriation is rage inducing and nauseating but it has been part of my plan for awhile now and these days I find it mildy amusing to hilarious. Feminists complain about us and MRM ideas and they end up spreading our message even farther for us. It may not be crafted in the form we like, but the message does spread. Ozymandias and Noah Brand and others like them are doing our job for us with a watered down feminized view of our message.

The funny thing is that they drive the moderates towards us. Ozy has a moderation style of banning anyone that annoys zir(to use her pronoun) and that means that people interested in male issues who didn’t identify with the MRM, or so they say, have been banned from her site for simply not towing the feminist line. This pushes them further in our direction.

It really is amusing how supposedly open feminist forums trend towards echo chambers and circle jerks while banning any dissenting opinions….even if the opinions of the people match up 90% of the time…lolz

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Troll King June 16, 2012 at 06:33

Yknow, I am tempted to get into this anthropology discussion and set some people straight but it is late, or early, here and I have a date at the gun range later today.

I will say this though. As someone who has lived in egypt for chunks of my life and studied the histories of the various dynasties quite a bit I can say with some certainty that there were black pharoahs. The pharonic dynasties didn’t use race or ethnicity as a measuring stick as much as many other types of dynasties did. It simply wasn’t as feasible due to the large numbers of similiar but different peoples they absorbed into the Nile delta region as various degrees of slave classes.

Depending on the era they used everything from celestial events to biological determinants(based on genes like the Pharoahs Toe) to superstitions to brute force.

There are various statues and relief carving that quite clearly show nubian characteristics in some of the pharoahs.

The truth is that not one single race or ethnicity has dominated all throughout history and not one single race or ethnicity has been at the bottom all throughout history. Human populations seem to boom and then bust due to many factors.

What is interesting and actually valuable beyond the race/ethnicity issues that seem to be brought up so often these days is how men within groups and outside groups have more in common with other men than they do with women within their respective groups and with women within outside groups.

Don’t fall into the feminist bullshit sociology theory where we conflate race with sex. Feminists like to claim both are social constructs that don’t exist in nature. They exist in nature, what matters is to what degree they exist and to what degree they shape things. Race may shape outcomes to a small degree but the amount of melanin in your skin or the shape of your eyes or texture of your hair does very little in shaping you. Especially compared to the vast biological outcomes created due to our endocrin system and hormone levels and the existence of a Y-chromosome and spermogenesis and so on. Men are built differently than women. Men of different races just look different but are basically built the same as other men.

There are more differences between men and women than there are between blacks and whites or hispanics and asians.

Gotta go, later. My favorite 1911 is calling my name.

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greyghost June 16, 2012 at 07:27

Outstanding Troll King

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Thomas Tell-Truth June 16, 2012 at 07:50

What’s with all this racial stuff? Are there troublemakers just stirring the pot to troll for comments they can repost on other blogs?

There are plenty of places to discuss racial issues..lets stay focused on men’s issues.

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Art Vandelay June 16, 2012 at 07:55

I can see the Caucasian ancient Egyptians and the pyramids and on the other side of Africa black people who only managed to build simple structures and huts.

Well one could say that they simply didn’t want to which would be a testament to their character… Wanting to remove yourself as far as possible from nature seems to be a pretty “white” idea, probably from the harsher climate.

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Art Vandelay June 16, 2012 at 08:03

True. But race dialogues at Spearhead are always refreshing and thought-provoking because of the diversity of opinions. And we need LastCrucible just like Atlantic, Time, Salon, and so many other competing outlets have their own Black Journalists. Here you can engage LastCrucible, on those sites you will get banned for your words.

LastCrucible has been a valued commenter here in the past. Makes me wonder if it is the same guy and what happened.

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greyghost June 16, 2012 at 08:15

Art Vandelay
His child custody thing didn’t work out and he has been effectively demonised by the family courts I suspect. Maybe he will come in and explain.

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keyster June 16, 2012 at 08:48

“NO ONE will miss whites when they’re gone. The planet and its people will begin healing.”

That’s exactly what the Mugabe government told all the blacks in Zimbabwe before he drove the whites out. It was a once a great country, now in chaos because of racist Socialist Redistribution policies and incompetent management of the economy and infrustructure.

I know this is anecdotal but it serves to inform what “healing” might look like. You need us more than we need you brutha. NOI is a hate machine. Don’t fall for their crap.

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Georice81 June 16, 2012 at 08:51

@AndrewV

“You keep getting fooled because generally Canadians at a superficial level appear to be so like you in so many ways, you appear to be unable to grasp that at a fundamental level, our cultural basis is completely alien to yours”

You are very very correct. Also most Canadians also don’t understand how different they are from Americans.

I feel for you bro!

I need to reveal that I am still technically married to a Canadian girl. I am annulling the marriage and this should happen in a few weeks. I met her on-line, brought her to this country, got her a green card and so forth. Only after living with her did I get to see what her values or lack there of were. She and her family said that I was old fashioned. That was an accusation and not a compliment.

After being together for 7 1/2 months, I came home to pick her to watch a hockey game and she was gone! She had called the police and they took her to a Grayhound Bus station for a long trip back to Sudbury. How it is possible for someone to call the police station to drive them to a bus terminal is beyond me but she did it.

Communications after that were completely non-existent between us. I was able to mail her via her sister’s address the Canadian income tax that I filled out for her, a cheque, and a package of things she had left. I located her a few weeks later at a Christian dating site and I turned her in. She obviously blew her top off when I did that. The next day I got a call, here in Texas, from the Sudbury police threatening me with issuing a criminal warrant for my arrest due to harrassment. I explained all what happened to the constable. I came close to laughing at her since this whole thing is mega-stupid and she is out of her jurisdiction. The bottom line is how she was treating me over the phone as a low-life criminal who was stalking and harrassing my soon to be ex-wife. This almost looks like a skit from Saturday Night Live!

I noticed how hen-pecked my soon to be ex-wife’s brother-in-laws are there in Canada. The whole discourse of how a man needs to act has changed to the point that he has to be completely dominated by his wife or else by definition he is an abusive bastard. There are no ifs or buts…. it is what it is and shut up.

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Art Vandelay June 16, 2012 at 09:14

Georice81 sounds like you are getting out easy though. Appreciate that.

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Anon June 16, 2012 at 09:14

“It’s not enough for these bitches to bankrupt their husbands, now they can kill them too when they’re bored and get aquitted for it? I guess it’s the logical outcome of feminist policy—if they can kill babies and it’s legally sanctioned, why not their husbands too? A foetus is just ‘a piece of tissue’ to these sluts; and all men are subhumans to them too so I guess this kind of thing shouldn’t be surprising.”
- Eric

Scariest thing I’ve read today.

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keyster June 16, 2012 at 09:23

I noticed how hen-pecked my soon to be ex-wife’s brother-in-laws are there in Canada. The whole discourse of how a man needs to act has changed to the point that he has to be completely dominated by his wife or else by definition he is an abusive bastard. There are no ifs or buts…. it is what it is and shut up.

Some of the most strident MRA’s are Canadians, who also happen to dislike the USA and have a particular disdain for Conservative Americans. Politically they’re Socialist, except for the inconvenient Feminist Governance parts. They don’t see the dichotomy.

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Darryl X June 16, 2012 at 09:52

@ Jim – Not only are almost all of those incarcerated men but most of them are innocent men and political prisoners. Bills drafted by our legislators and signed into law reward states for incarcerating men who are falsely alleged to have raped and are unable to pay outrageous orders for child support and for having angry wives and for being victims of paternal alienation. Why men haven’t stood up against their feminist and fascist governments in a meaningful way is beyond me. There is no political, social, legal or financial solution to our dilemma.

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Darryl X June 16, 2012 at 10:01

@ keyster – I didn’t understand your last post but I wanted to take it as an opportunity to emphasize that the US is not a has-been aggressive conservative free-market economy devolving into socialism but a has-been aggressive conservative free-market economy devolving into fascism. I think that even the most die-hard conservative free-marketers believe that any country should be balanced by some measure of socialism (indeed most would probably agree that capitalism is a kind of socialism). Feminism is not an expression of socialism but fascism. I couldn’t tell from your post what your thoughts might be.

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Art Vandelay June 16, 2012 at 10:04

Darryl isn’t most fascism just another form of socialism? This left and right rhetoric is bullshit if it’s all a circle.

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Eric June 16, 2012 at 10:16

Greyghost:
That’s a good analysis. I don’t know what percentage of black women actually fall for this feminist stuff themselves, but a disporportionate number of black men are being effected by feminist policies. They need get wise and realize that it isn’t the ‘white devil’ behind all their problems. Feminists hate all men regardless of race.

However, it should be pointed out that feminism is conspicuous for thinking of people only in stereotypes. When you think of the stereotypical image of the black man as hypersexual, you can understand why feminists single them out for especially bad treatment.

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Eric June 16, 2012 at 10:27

Ted:
The DNA evidence identifies Y-Chromosome Adam and MtDNA Eve as living around the area of Lake Victoria, Africa about 60,000 BC. Those figures have pushed human development so close to the dates that patriarchial family structures were known to exist, that the whole theory of a primordal matriarchy is starting to collapse.

Even feminist academics are quietly trying to retreat from the past matriarchy theory; and are floating a new idea that supposedly superior feminine traits are evolving into a higher state which will supplant ‘patriarchy’. The new theory’s all the rage in womyn’s studies courses LOL.

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Darryl X June 16, 2012 at 10:31

@ greyghost – re your post (copied below). Are you familiar with David Usher and any of his articles documenting the relationship of feminism to persecution of black families in the US and how the child support bureaucracy got its start there and expanded to include middle- and upper-class whites (and everyone else for that matter)? His analysis is spot on and very interesting. Thought you might appreciate it.

“greyghost June 16, 2012 at 05:42
LastCrucible June 15, 2012 at 13:49

“@walking in hell

“I couldn’t care less what Spearhead readers think. Shari’a Law is based on timeless wisdom. Who the hell are a bunch of white guys, in whose country feminism was born, to scoff at Shari’a Law? Gimme a fuckin’ break.

“When you take the frustration of the state reomving him from his child and forcing him to be beholden to his childs mother combined with a life time of immersion in flawed african american culture (which is nothing more than ruling elites brainwashing themselves incharge) this is what happens. Black men from the beginning of feminist destuction of black families have always due to culture incorrectly seen it as racist in fault and nature. (I think that perception is done on purpose by black and white elite leaders) The bullshit become the essence of who the the people raised in the lie are. What we are seeing in Last Crucible is what it actually looks in this and all of his comments on this article.”

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Eric June 16, 2012 at 10:32

Migu,

‘You poor confused boy…that’s false…all early civilisations of note…’

Yup. It’s Captain alright. LOL

‘A discredited theory. Do you really believe that they can extract DNA…’

Say ‘Howdy-do, Green Hornet’.

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evilwhitemalempire June 16, 2012 at 10:35

Expating is a big step, most people just can’t handle it. A less drastic alternative is to just go traveling.
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less drastic still is to just learn how to masturbate better

there’s a steep learning curve but stick with it long enough and eventually you get good enough at it for it to start becoming competitive with the real deal

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Rmaxd June 16, 2012 at 10:37

@Darryl

Fascism is corporatism, feminism is a female supremacist movement, ie nazism

In much the same way White nationalists were taken over by germanic race supremacists

Ironically race supremacism & white pride, used to be a popular opinion, before world war 2

Germany at the time wasnt some lone cult, they implemented what they thought was a popular european opinion

It’s ironic seeing nazism being paraded as liberalism & feminism & national pride, in europe & America

It’s also ironic seeing White Men being persecuted as inconvenient enemies of a modern state

Jews were also inconvenient for a modern germany, the comparisons are palpable …

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Darryl X June 16, 2012 at 10:38

@ Ode -

Expatriation is a good step. Problem is that countries like the US are hard to leave because passports of many men have been suspended for stupid reasons like child support arrears. Men are no longer allowed to escape their persecutors. True fascism. The government breaks the man and punishes him for being broken. I persecutes him and prevents him from escaping his persecution and then the government complains about how worthless he is as a slave and how it doesn’t want him around. If a country doesn’t want these men, it should allow them to leave. God knows I would have left the US a long time ago if I could have.

“Ode June 16, 2012 at 03:45

“Better to just leave to a country that hasn’t been corrupted by feminism.

“Expating is a big step, most people just can’t handle it.”

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evilwhitemalempire June 16, 2012 at 10:45

It’s not just NAFALT, it’s Not All Feminists Are Like Each Other. What a lot of feminisms there are. This feminism. That feminism. The other feminism. I don’t have the patience to make an exhaustive classification.
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‘There are 10000 Socialist parties, one for each Socialist’.—Mark Twain

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freebird June 16, 2012 at 10:46

I verbally ran the substance of this article past my 70 yr old mother this morning.
Her response: “That’s self defense!”

If a woman claims abuse all other women automatically assume it’s true regardless of circumstance,and hence any and all actions are justifiable.

Team woman has %100 solidarity,if men had 1/10 of that we would have equal standing before “The Law.”

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Gilgamesh June 16, 2012 at 10:55

Well how easy is it to get citizenship these days. I keep hearing about American expats living in foreign countries illegally, what keeps them from getting citizenship there (since US citizenship isn’t much of a privilege when you have to pay taxes on income you earn abroad)?

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Gilgamesh June 16, 2012 at 10:57

Also, about this whole “escaping abuse” defense, I seem to remember the Menendez brothers getting a life sentence after using the same defense, and they were still kids. Let’s get some more examples of how adult women are given more lenciency than boys (Nathaniel J vs. San Luis Obispo county is a good start).

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evilwhitemalempire June 16, 2012 at 11:05

Some of the most strident MRA’s are Canadians, who also happen to dislike the USA and have a particular disdain for Conservative Americans. Politically they’re Socialist, except for the inconvenient Feminist Governance parts. They don’t see the dichotomy.
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so brainwashed that they can’t establish the connection between the way their women treat them and leftism in general

note how subtly the ‘my ex took me to the cleaners’ is being replaced with disposable hero narrative

the draft hasn’t been around since the 60′s yet if you listen to avfgwwatb (a voice for girl writes what and typhon blue) radio you’d think the biggest threat men face today is being shipped off to a foreign country to get shot

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ralph gorman June 16, 2012 at 11:07

Let’s make this one real simple.

As a husband, I suspect that my wife is plotting to poison me. I have no evidence for this; it is solely my opinion. I pre-emptively blow my wife’s brains out in “self defense”. Do get away with it? You betcha.

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J June 16, 2012 at 11:31

Hmmm, last crucible sis not answer me? Oh darn..

Whammer, last crucible; whatever you two are smoking-check it for acid, heroin, and cleaning chemicals. You got some bad smoke dog!

The whole muslim and race thing is nothing but a fractioon of the strings they use to make you their puppets. I’d cut you down, but your intellectual legs have never seen use! You would only fall from the height of ignorance, and hurt yourself.

And so I leave you.

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Art Vandelay June 16, 2012 at 11:44

less drastic still is to just learn how to masturbate better

LOL this is so going to be featured on manboobz ;)

maybe use something like this: http://www.realdoll.com/
Bonus: She doesn’t talk and can’t get pregnant. And she just lies there so it’s almost like having a non-lethal wife.

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AndrewV June 16, 2012 at 11:45

@keyster June 16, 2012 at 09:23
Some of the most strident MRA’s are Canadians, who also happen to dislike the USA and have a particular disdain for Conservative Americans.

The plain unvarnished truth for many of us in Kanukistan, is the default assumption that we are morally superior to the Americans, but we are so polite we never actually say it to our inferiors.

Yet despite what I said above, many of our politicians do indeed have an inferiority complex when they compare themselves to the Americans and the rest of the first world. An example is when one of them rears up on his hind legs and babbles on about having a “world class” this or that.

I usually shudder and cringe when something like that happens, because while for example the city of Toronto is indeed “world class”, only someone with an inferiority complex would feel the need to say so.

The root of this inferiority complex by the way, is that the politicians have been made forcibly aware, by having their noses rubbed into it by their real masters, about the plain unvarnished truth of Kanukistan:

Economically, we are a third world country with a first world living standard.

We, to a large degree export raw materials and then import the finished products made with our exported resources, and furthermore stifle innovation at every opportunity, so that most of our manufacturing is screwdriver based, where the important parts are imported from elsewhere and only assembled here.

We remain to this day, mainly hewers of wood and drawers of water, and our elites appear determined to keep us that way.

Politically they’re Socialist, except for the inconvenient Feminist Governance parts. They don’t see the dichotomy.

Of course not. We are so smug in our moral superiority, the majority of us refuse to see further than our noses.

With that said, please do not misunderstand, I may not be blind to our faults, but I love my country, warts and all.

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Art Vandelay June 16, 2012 at 11:48

Jews were also inconvenient for a modern germany, the comparisons are palpable …

How so? They just made an exceptional scapegoat, back in the day nobody liked the Jews.

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keyster June 16, 2012 at 12:44

the draft hasn’t been around since the 60′s yet if you listen to avfgwwatb (a voice for girl writes what and typhon blue) radio you’d think the biggest threat men face today is being shipped off to a foreign country to get shot.

I’ve made my thoughts known regarding the “male utility/disposability” theme over at AVfM very clear. I understand what they’re saying, but it’s on an ethereal level that very few people can ever grasp. It’s “The Manipulated Man” angle. Changing the male’s innate tendency to sacrifice himself through narrative is an anachronism; but it obfuscates from the current political zeitgeist.

Appealing to “Humanism” in positioning Men as the latest “victim class” will never play in Peoria. Getting people to consider “men are people with feelings too”, is a non-starter. To our culture it’s akin to Nazis at a Death Camp forming a “Guard Grievance Commitee”, because the Jewish prisoners are making them feel bad about themselves.

The plain unvarnished truth for many of us in Kanukistan, is the default assumption that we are morally superior to the Americans, but we are so polite we never actually say it to our inferiors.

Oh, I’m aware!
Just keep the oil pumping south friend, and we’ll keep warming the globe with our exhaust fumes. In 100 years Canada will be a our #1 summer vacation destination; then you’ll really be sorry.

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Georice81 June 16, 2012 at 12:50

@AndrewV

“Economically, we are a third world country with a first world living standard.”

When my soon to be ex first went to visit her primary care physician here in Texas, the doctor was appalled at how poor of health care she had been receiving in Canada. Illegal aliens here in the USA get better preventative care in public hospitals than most people do in Canada. I was embarrassed for her and for Canada as a whole.

Canada once had a first class health system where major discoveries such as insulin were achieved. Now care is ration and good luck on finding a physician when you move. Many now seem to be relying on herbs, acupunture and chiropractors.

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MRA June 16, 2012 at 13:16

Women are inherently bisexual and would probably just feminist-dyke it up even more. Better to just leave to a country that hasn’t been corrupted by feminism. The world is a different place now with the internet. You can earn a Western salary in a Third-World or developing country if you know what jobs to look for.

That is a fact, the number of bisexual women is highest than bisexual men, women specially during teen years and 20s, which is why many college girls tend to “explore” more to bisexualism for the simple purpose of exploring, anyone with knowledge about sexuality can tell is one of the many female’s fantasy apart from the rape fantasy and dominated fantasy is to have sex with other woman.

Of course many just do it for MALE attention, also known as Barsexual
Straight female who kiss and toush other female to gain male atenttion

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/admit-shes-a-barsexual.png
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p9og0KFmMo

Many scientist argue this is related to primitive female instinct to share the same male, is like polygamy in modern era. Or a harem from the past.

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Darryl X June 16, 2012 at 13:29

@ Rmaxd -

“Fascism is corporatism, feminism is a female supremacist movement, ie nazism”

Thanks. I agree. But the only reason I would equate feminism with fascism (to a degree) is that so many corporate-like entities have come out of it including the Divorce Industry and the Child Support Industry and the Domestic Violence Industry, etc…

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Darryl X June 16, 2012 at 13:44

@ evilwhitemalempire – No the draft hasn’t been around for a while. But it is still not a voluntary military. Most of the men in it (US) are there because they have no where else to go. They are there by financial necessity. It is their only option for health care and food and residence. Unlike some socialized countries where these things are available to some degree to the poorest of their populations, they are not available at all in the US. We have a huge and growing population of men living below the threshold of poverty. Young men (and even older) are being driven to the military as their only option for survival.

“the draft hasn’t been around since the 60′s yet if you listen to avfgwwatb (a voice for girl writes what and typhon blue) radio you’d think the biggest threat men face today is being shipped off to a foreign country to get shot”

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The Whammer June 16, 2012 at 13:52
Darryl X June 16, 2012 at 13:54

@ Gilgamesh -

A large and growing population of men in the US are having their passports suspended or revoked (child support arrears, particularly). They have no choice but to live abroad illegally because you need a passport to get citizenship or live somewhere else as an expat. Also, most countries require that you invest a minimum amount of money in them in exchange for expat status or citizenship and most men who want to get the hell out of the US have been robbed by their own government of evey last cent.

“Well how easy is it to get citizenship these days. I keep hearing about American expats living in foreign countries illegally, what keeps them from getting citizenship there (since US citizenship isn’t much of a privilege when you have to pay taxes on income you earn abroad)?”

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The Whammer June 16, 2012 at 14:05

LastCrucible has been a valued commenter here in the past. Makes me wonder if it is the same guy and what happened.

Maybe the cuckoo popped out of his head and he’s showing his true colours :)

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The Whammer June 16, 2012 at 14:35

Looks like “Huck Finn” and the other omega schmucks on here gave me some thumbs down haha

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Ron June 16, 2012 at 14:37

This isnt stupidity, its evil.

The real reason why feminism exists is because men in general prefer to stab one another in the back; ie white knights and manginas. If we had any sense of brotherhood, none of this garbage would go on.

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Gilgamesh June 16, 2012 at 14:43

Even the people closest to me don’t believe me when I tell them about things like this (I had a pretty fun argument about Mary Winkler which went nowhere). One time I pointed out that the majority of rapes are male on male and got called a misogynist for it (because apparently prison doesn’t count. I’ve been meaning to ask what they would think if it happened in women’s prison but these arguments are frustrating as hell and I don’t get anywhere). They actually think they are being helpful. I really want to hate them. Why do members of my own family want to be part of the problem?

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Darryl X June 16, 2012 at 14:54

@ Ron – I agree. At the same time, the independence of men is an important quality that is responsible for their innovation and for the development of civilization. However, at some point, we do have to put away our differences and fight a common enemy. I’ve been an MRA before there even was an MRM and this problem always seems to prevent any progress. How many me will have to die for no good reason before we cooperate to restore civilization. Presently, the only enemy is feminism. Race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, political affiliation, rich or poor, nationality, ethnicity are all secondary concerns. Unless feminism is destroyed, all these other distinctions won’t matter because real men and the qualities which distinguish among them will be gone.

“The real reason why feminism exists is because men in general prefer to stab one another in the back; ie white knights and manginas. If we had any sense of brotherhood, none of this garbage would go on.”

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Gilgamesh June 16, 2012 at 14:59

@Daryll X

That makes sense. Also, apparently you can’t take more that $10000 out of the country without the TSA confiscating it. How much do most countries want?

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UK FRed June 16, 2012 at 14:59

Is it any surprise that Yahoo describes Canada as the best country in the world to live in, for a woman.

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Darryl X June 16, 2012 at 15:43

I think I made it clear that distinctions of right and left are irrelevant. I was distinguishing among fascism and socialism and capitalism and relating those distinctions to feminism. Feminism seems to be an amalgam of all the worst social, political, financial and legal nuances there are. I agree that the left and right rhetoric is bullshit if it’s all a circle.

“Darryl isn’t most fascism just another form of socialism? This left and right rhetoric is bullshit if it’s all a circle.”

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Ode June 16, 2012 at 16:45

Troll King says

There are more differences between men and women than there are between blacks and whites or hispanics and asians.

So basically what you’re saying is race does not exist, it is a social construct that has no biological reality.
Hmm funny, it’s my observation only white people believe in that foolishness. I have yet to meet a black man or latino who believes race is a social construct, laughter.

Perhaps if 100 million Chinese people were to move into Mexico and replace the Latino population then it should be perfectly okay. Or maybe 100 million white people should move into South Africa. If all races are the same then that would simply be the replacement of one with something of the same so there should be no controversy, right?

Oops I’ve never heard of a Non-white in favor of that. In fact I’ve never heard of any non-white nation wanting to be race replaced. Only white people with a “progressive” bent happily look forward to it. I think the solution is to do nothing and let history take it’s natural course.

When the Chinese become the next world super power they will muscle their way into all the weaker countries but they’re not going to be kind and gentle like the white man back in the days of European Colonialism. Progressive Liberals want to see a world where the white man is no longer in charge. They fail to see the nightmare they are wishing for.

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Eric June 16, 2012 at 16:55

Darryl X:

Not only the passport suspension is going on in a big way; the TSA bully-boys keep no-fly lists and other secret dossiers on people. A lot of people don’t find out that they can’t leave the country until they’re actually at the airport. It’s just like the good old days back in 1930s Europe when a gentleman with jackboots and a skull-and-crossbones emblem on his hat made sure everyone’s identification papers and travel permits were in order before they could travel. All for national security reasons, of course.

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Darryl X June 16, 2012 at 17:07

@ Gilgamesh -

Most countries used to require a minimum investment of about $100,000 (since year 2000). Before that it was nothing. However, in the past few years things have just gone haywire and all countries with which I am familiar have increased the amount but it varies from country to country. The lowest amount with which I am familiar is $150,000. I’ve read but not confirmed that some countries require a minimum of $1,000,000.

The TSA (US) will confiscate monetary instruments of more than $10,000 (currency, gold bullion, treasury bonds, etc…) ONLY if you have not declared it leaving or entering the US. They had tried to confiscate instruments which were declared before (back in 2009) but were not successful (they will keep trying and eventually succeed though – they want to confiscate it and currently they can make up any excuse to do so but it’s not as easy as they want it to be).

No telling what any other country will do though. Even countries throughout the developed world have adopted some very draconian practices at their borders when it comes to monetary instruments coming in or going out. Often times you can get the instruments in but can’t get them out. This is all attributed to the war on terrorism but it has nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with transferring wealth from the poor to the rich or from the powerless to the powerful or the responsible to the irresponsible.

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Darryl X June 16, 2012 at 17:11

@ Eric -

“All for national security reasons, of course.”

Of course!

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Sun June 16, 2012 at 17:30

@ Art Vandelay

“I just don’t think you can claim to be more civilized or less on account of the color of your skin.”

No. No one I have ever known claims on melanin. However, humorously very few from that point of view, seem to know anything about the “superficial” integumentary system

It is the genetics and environment that produced everything, including melanin, and the unequal populations and societies.

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Sun June 16, 2012 at 17:41

@ Eric

“Even feminist academics are quietly trying to retreat from the past matriarchy theory; and are floating a new idea that supposedly superior feminine traits are evolving into a higher state which will supplant ‘patriarchy’. The new theory’s all the rage in womyn’s studies courses LOL.”

Do you have the name of this new theory?

Quick clarification…Primordal matriarchy? It sounds like the primitive communism idea that still persist even though being debunked countless times.

Are you using “matriarchy” pseudo-egalitarian society where women rule? Or some direct hierarchy where women rule forthright (i.e. Amazons)?

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Demiurge June 16, 2012 at 18:02

@MRA

“That is a fact, the number of bisexual women is highest than bisexual men, women specially during teen years and 20s, which is why many college girls tend to “explore” more to bisexualism for the simple purpose of exploring, anyone with knowledge about sexuality can tell is one of the many female’s fantasy apart from the rape fantasy and dominated fantasy is to have sex with other woman.”

Yes. The only reason women “like” men is for reproduction (obsolete due to artificial insemination) and resources. It is the disgusting, little truth that colors the background of human history. Once I learned this fact I became very depressed/suicidal and psuedo-asexual.

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Eric June 16, 2012 at 18:03

Sun:
I don’t know the name of the new theory, but I’ve heard it floating around. Some of our occasional feminist commentors (e.g. Red and SisterhoodUK) have alluded to it, which makes me think they are recent graduates from womyn’s studies courses. I’ll see if I can dig up some of their literature.

The old matriarchial theory was popularized by German anthropologist J.J. Bachofen in the 19th Century. He theorized that prehistoric societies were matriarchial and that civilization only became possible after the matriarchy was overthrown and patriarchy established. Freud developed his theory a lot from Bachofen, but feminists had to revise it because it implied that civilization wasn’t possible without men driving it. Also, even though the belief was that the Matriarchy was pseudo-egalitarian, both Bachofen and Freud considered egalitarianism a social negative and used the theory to show that the patriarchy was a sign of progress. Feminists had to revise that too, by turning the ‘Matriarchy’ into a Golden Age before the evil man oppressors came on the scene.

The new feminist theory, as I understand it so far, holds that Matriarchy is going to come naturally as women evolve into some ‘higher’ life form. It’s the same Marxist schmaltz, repackaged.

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Darryl X June 16, 2012 at 18:12

@ Gilgamesh -

I have a similar relationship with my family. They do not acknowledge these cultural, social, financial, political and legal developments. They only acknowledge the benefits (to themselves) but refuse to acknowledge the costs (to men like me) and accept that if they benefit then they are responsible for the costs to me.

Subsidies by the federal government (in the US) are appropriated to supplement things like social security, medicare, food stamps, etc… Most people do not understand the connection and that child support is another tax on men with children that they have to pay that benefits everyone else but the men who have to pay it.

And more, the men who have to pay it (who contribute) are excluded from receiving these benefits. The most irresponsible people are benefitting from the government snatching children and holding them hostage for ransom. The most responsible ones are suffering.

We are a very narcissistic culture and families recognize whether consciously or not that they benefit by sacrificing their own sons and other male relatives. So they do it with considerable glee. We have become expendible even in the eyes of our own parents. Mine are ridiculous. Malignant narcissism is a very serious disease. Because those who suffer it are so stupid that they don’t know how ridiculous they are.

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Sun June 16, 2012 at 19:35

@ Eric

You say, “He theorized that prehistoric societies were matriarchial…”

SPECIFICALLY, how is matriarchy being used here?

I have seen “matriarchy,” negatively, used in two ways:

In some quasi/pseduo egalitarian society. Where one espouses egalitarian concepts, maybe with some forms, but in reality there is a form a hierarchy. It is just “passive.” So while there is the perception of equality, love, and bunnies, it is just a cover in which (in this case) women have power. Social interactions have men and women seemingly portraying equal respect, etc, while subconsciously there is a well known hierarchy and any objection will spell harsh retaliation by women and society at large, culturally.

The other is using a direct form where women rule, like some Amazon society where either men are not present or “classically oppressed.” By “classically oppressed,” I mean it is consciously acknowledged in all parts of society where men are in cages, wearing chains, or simply beneath women with in comes to facet of life. Social interactions would have men directly mentioning that they’re subservient to the will of women.

The positive view of Matriarchy is:

a society where equality is part of all of society. This is because equality is primarily a feminine virtue whereas patriarchy, masculinity, is based upon hierarchy. Women, seen in this sense, often hold themselves (most act it with more devious intentions in mind) with mutual respect. They will open and talk to the group for solutions or emotional support. Whereas men will be isolated and place themselves upon hierarchy by judging whether a man is a pussy or not for talking about his problems. Such societies flourish under the guidance of such feminine virtues.

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Troll King June 16, 2012 at 19:38

@Ode

No, I am not saying that.

I am aware that there are differences between races and ethnicities and cultures and political and economic structures and more. I understand that when you put those pieces together you won’t get a default good or a default bad.

Your example of china is a example of that.

I was simply stating that if you look at two groups, both of which will see themselves as in-groups and the other as outgroups, by race or ethnicity, or hell even hieght or intelligence to various degrees, you will find differences.

The degree of these differences will be dependent on which groups you are comparing. If I compare certain Asian cultures there will be less difference than if I compare blacks and whites.

Now, instead of looking at race lets put one more division into the groups or simply replace the dividing factor and lets do so with sex instead of skin color or eye shape.

You will find that women are women are women are women. Men are men are men are men.

Despite what feminists will claim there really is not such a thing as a culture or society that didn’t develop some sort of gender roles or differentiation between men and women due to sexual dimorphism.

In other words, the differences between melanin production or differences arising from nutrition or climate are much, much, much smaller than the differences between men and women which are due to genetics, chromosomes, hormones, and even brain structure.

I am not saying that race is a social contruct. I am saying that the biological reality of race is insignificant compared to the biological reality of sexual dimorphism.

Compare Sickle-Cell Enemia to the fact that women have less grey matter than men? A black guy who is immune to various types of infections spread by mosquitos is still a guy who has the potential to manage complex systems in a office environment. The racial component giving him that immunity is null.

A woman who lacks spatial memory is a completely different can of worms. So to speak.

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Eric June 16, 2012 at 19:40

Sun:
The quasi-egalitarian model is the one.

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Attila June 16, 2012 at 20:06

I was hanging around at the cheese counter at WholeFoods and saw two middle-aged women holding hands and grabbing each other in a playful manner. It didn’t last but a few seconds. When I mentioned it to the pleasant, plump girl from Latin America behind the customer counter – she smiled and said she’d asked two grrrrrrls to stop making out while checking out.

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Eric June 16, 2012 at 21:22

Atilla;
Twenty minutes ago, I went outside for a cigarette and was talking to another guy when an attractive Amerobitch rode up on a bike and asked directions. She explained that her unemployed boyfriend was roaring drunk and threw her out of the bar and sent her home. The other guy talked to her for awhile, then she went on her way. Afterwards, he looked at me puzzled and asked why I didn’t show any interest in her.

I replied that what she told us was that she liked unemployed, abusive alcoholics and, therefore I wasn’t her type. LOL

Thug-chasing, man-hating bitches, all of ‘em!

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Poester99 June 16, 2012 at 22:14

Ten of the 12 jurors were women, and at the first post-trial vote, 9 of those women voted to acquit her of all charges. The voluntary manslaughter conviction was a compromise verdict, and Mary ended up serving less than half a year in prison, with some additional time in a mental institution.

9 out of 10 American women think this way. It’s team women all the way, all you had to do was utter the words “pastor” and like a knee jerk she was acquitted. She could have dismembered him with a chainsaw, alive, and it would have been fine. A woman being involved in the slavery and oppression of a “Christian” Marriage is a considered heinous. The killing of a huband? Oh whats another dead husband, you can always find another, and he must have done something to deserve it.

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Poester99 June 16, 2012 at 23:27

Canada once had a first class health system where major discoveries such as insulin were achieved. Now care is ration and good luck on finding a physician when you move. Many now seem to be relying on herbs, acupunture and chiropractors.

That’s because it’s taking 30-40% of the entire government budget. That’s why we can’t afford an army of any size. Americans will learn about that side effect soon enough.
It takes so much of the government budgets because no one will touch tuning it or fixing it with a 10 foot pole. They would be politically destroyed.
There are many thousands of people being paid from medical funding that do nothing or almost nothing.

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WhatsNew June 17, 2012 at 05:03

I have seen “matriarchy,” negatively, used in two ways: In some quasi/pseduo egalitarian society. ..
The other is using a direct form where women rule,

The not-really egalitarian way has another version. One important question is “for whose benefit” a society works, that is where women rule but indirectly, and not all women rule.

And usually “for whose benefit” means 3 things: legal privilege, protection from risk, and material benefits.

“western” style societies have been matriarchies for many many thousands of years, even if patrilineal as to inheritance, because in effect women have had strong legal privileges, have been protected from risk and have enjoyed the material benefits of men’s work.

There have been parallel social structures for men and women, where men have been subject to the full weight of the law, of risks from dangerous activities, and to work hard to earn money to spend on women and the women’s children.

What many people get confused by is that there are men who are better off than most women: sure, because women are not an overlord class, where all members of the overlord class are better off than those below it; they are just a privileged category.

Because there is a strict hierarchy among women: those who control the best males are much, much richer than those who control less well off males.

Imagine women as practicing male husbandry (literally!), with most males being used as donkeys (betas) and a few being fucked as monkeys (alphas), and the richest women controlling the alpha-donkeys (leaders of men, greater betas in the Heartiste jargon).

There is a separate (and unequal) social hierarchy for women, where wealth and status are based on the possession and control of the weathier “donkey” males, or the sexier “monkey” ones, with ferocious interpersonal rivalry and inter-class and inter-country fights, all of which most males are largely unaware (otherwise it would not work, especially for all those “donkey” males who don’t realize how often their controllers fuck the “monkey” males).

“Equality” feminism was about women wanting into the “male” side of the hierarchy, as some thought they would do better by themselves rather than through controlling males (most women find fucking most “donkey” males disgusting and of course most “monkey” males are useless but for fucking).

BTW the other obvious ruler group are CEOs and financiers, as they enjoy all 3 aspects of rulership: they are largely exempt from the law (how many CEOs and financiers ever get to the can despite what they do), they are largely exempt from risk (government’s welfare for CEOs and financiers is very, very generous), and they gain enormous material benefits from their positions.

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Attila June 17, 2012 at 07:56

There’s a built-in disadvantage for men – putting female-team collusion aside for a moment.

Women hurt others more often with their tongue – men mostly with their fists or physical strength. Who can prove that the female provoked the mele? – it’s impossible. Besides -the male will always be blamed for lack of self-control.

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Firepower June 17, 2012 at 10:27

Uncle Elmer June 15, 2012 at 06:50

A lot of stupidity in low places too.

Amazing stuff.

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sirreaper June 17, 2012 at 12:49

Frequenter of the MGTOW forums are you Welmer?

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W.F. Price June 17, 2012 at 13:02

Frequenter of the MGTOW forums are you Welmer?

-sirreaper

No — I should probably check in there more often.

Darryl X June 17, 2012 at 14:17

@ Eric -

“The new feminist theory, as I understand it so far, holds that Matriarchy is going to come naturally as women evolve into some ‘higher’ life form.”

From pond scum, there’s no way to go but up.

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Jabberwocky June 17, 2012 at 17:39
Jabberwocky June 17, 2012 at 17:42

I love the layout of the map above. Helps you understand the connectivity of the world’s land masses better. It took me a second to even figure out what I was looking at.

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Jabberwocky June 17, 2012 at 17:46

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans

Context. I have no idea why people bash Wiki. It’s tries to be as fair as it can be. It is democratic to a certain degree
.

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Jabberwocky June 17, 2012 at 17:49

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spreading_homo_sapiens.svg

Sorry, I just like maps.

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Jabberwocky June 17, 2012 at 17:56

Oh wow! I just got to the post of Whammer being condescending to me. I’ll reply shortly. Let’s see who wins this game. Let me see if I remember how to play.

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Eric June 17, 2012 at 20:05

Sun:
I did a little online research this evening, and it looks like the new theory is part of ‘Evolutionary Feminism’. I found one of their websites, with several links:

http://www.evolutionaryfeminism.net

The academics seem to be trying to make a reconciliation between evolutionary theories and their radical feminism: if you have the stomach for wading through any of their articles, this should be a good place to start.

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Jabberwocky June 17, 2012 at 21:51

Um, why would people down vote a map of human migration patterns?

Anyways, my response to Whammer isn’t showing up. It was long. Was it too long? I’m posting too many links, aren’t I? Well, I got it saved on Word. Thank god I was being careful. Let me see if this shows up….

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Jabberwocky June 17, 2012 at 21:56

That took me a while. He got me on several points, so I had to do more research to figure out my misconceptions. I’m still going to try to make fun of him, but it’s going to be tough. Let’s see how this plays out.

Jabberwocky , you poor confused boy.
-Light up my world with your flame of wisdom good sir.

“Most early civilizations were technically more ‘black’ than ‘white’, much like Jesus would have been.”

“That’s false.”

-Eh, you got me here from the genetic stand point. I didn’t realize how segregated Sub-Saharan genes were. I figured Middle Eastern peoples were somewhere in the middle, via the ‘Out of Africa’ theory, thinking they would have been more closely related to “the black man” than they are, but apparently their dark skin and hair was not a sign of genetic linkage to Sub-Saharans but an evolved trait of it’s own. My misconception comes from viewing it from the perspective of ethnocentric European people. In fact, I’m a Southern White, so I’m extra ethnocentric. My cultural bias apparently crept in there. I still don’t consider Middle Eastern people white! One drop rule bitches! J/K

“ALL early civilisations of any note were Caucasian.”

-You misspelled civilization. J/K Scoreboard is not looking good for me, so I gotta make some lay ups. I had to look up ‘Caucasian’, since I was boiling down race to white, black, and somewhere in the middle, and not using technical terms. Caucasian is a broad term that includes peoples most modern Americans would not consider white. European Caucasian is what I thought Caucasian specifically meant. Anyways, Caucasian is apparently a term that has no set definition outside of specific historical and professional contexts anyways, so the fact that it’s vague is not my fault.

Before we go any further, from Wiki:
“”The Columbia Encyclopedia, in its article titled “Civilization,” says that the earliest civilizations developed in the following parts of the world: “Mesopotamia, Egypt, China, India, the central Andes, and Mesoamerica.” Since the 1990s, scholarship has defined Norte Chico in the coastal area of present-day Peru as another independent site of civilization.
In the United States and Canada, the AP World History teaches that the six early civilizations as the foundation of human culture are: “Mesopotamia, Egypt, Indus, Shang (or Yellow River valley), Mesoamerica and Andean South America. These “civilizations” are also discussed in this article.”””

-Genetically these people are more closely related to “Whites” than Sub-Saharan Blacks. You call these civilizations Caucasian. Most people would not consider all, or most, of these Caucasian. I didn’t realize how broad the term is, but are these civilizations “white” by normal understandings of the word “white”? No. Are they more black? Apparently far from it. You teach me sir… I mean jackass. Again, I didn’t realize the isolation of Sub-Saharans from a genetic stand point. I figured the Nubians would have been spreading around and such a little more, darkening up the Middle East. I thought there were some black Pharaohs after all. Hell, blacks have been imported to be mercenaries and gladiators, but apparently not enough to darken up any places. Jesus, when am going to get to a part where I can make you look stupid.

“The negro race was a tiny group on the west central coast of Afrixa. It took 1000′sof years before the population increased and they began migrating.”

-Not yet, uh, wait… you misspelled Africa! How do you know all this genetic stuff?

“There were no negroes in East Africa until 1k BC”

-Did not know this and I did not look it up to double check, but at this point, I have no reason to think you’d be wrong.

“The people occupying the middle east and N Africa were all from what we call the Old European group and were all Caucasians. From Britain to Africa at that time they were all the same. They are sometimes referred to as the OLD Mediterranean group.”

-I’m still conceding, but technically it’s to the same point of fact over and over again, so by my count I’ve only been wrong once.

“There were many clans and some of them formed into a loose group called Hebrews. Jesus was a Caucasian and besides we know what he looked like because his stepbrother James was an artist and had painted him.
He was 6′ tall with reddish hair.”

-WHAT? You’re gonna have to give me a link for that. That’d be crazy to know.

“ANCIENT Egyptians were Caucasians which is why Egypt is always included in Western civilisation. There were no negroes until 1k BC and the ones who mixed with the Caucasians in Arabia are the Semites (Arabs)”

-And they had Greek rulers after Alexander the Great. See, I know stuff too.

“This holds true from Egypt, up to Turkey and on over to the Indus valley region.”

“All of those areas were Caucasian and another sub group called Indo European Aryans in ancient times. Sanskrit (which is not spoken by Indians today) is an old Aryan language and a cousin to Latin. The caste system began when dark people began moving in from the south and was really a race system.Mulatto, quadroon, octoroon etc
And btw, Istanbul is in Europe near Bulgaria and the Turks are Caucasians. The distance from Istanbul to Riyadh is like going from the coast of the US to the middle of the country. I only mention that because guys like you think all of these countries are next door to each other.”

-I know where Istanbul/Constantinople is. You’re mean. I’m not sure what your point about distance is? Uh, I get what your saying. Caucasians migrated great distances in many directions. See, all this is because I was confused by the word Caucasian. Stupid feminist education system.

“That said, the Sub-Saharan blacks are what I was specifically referring to, and they lived in an isolated stable desert ”

“The small group of negroes lived on the coast not in a desert. No one lives in the desert or jungle. They may live near it or on the edges.”

-I meant Savannah. It looks deserty in my mind. Is deserty a word for you professor.

“and Sub-Saharans are the seed peoples of humanity ”

“There is no proof of that at all.”

-You’ve beaten me down too much to be a smart ass, but there is plenty of evidence for this. A great deal in fact. It’s a pretty accepted theory by established researchers. Lot’s of genetic stuff points to it.

“They may not even be the same species of humans.”

-”Species” UGH! Apparently another word that means nothing it’s so vague, except outside of a mutually understood context. I can’t argue against meaningless words. Well, I am learning a lot however. I’ve always said failure teaches you more than victory.

“You have to remember that we just invented these classifications and it was fairly recently that we just said that all humans on earth are Homo sapiens sapiens but some may be Homo sapiens idaltu a sub species in Africa thought to be extinct. Black skin may just be a random mutation and may have nothing to do with the sunlight near the equator.”

-The classifications are old in name; but the specific definitions of them apparently haven’t been nailed down yet. That’s what this debate taught me today. Someone already made fun of you for that last sentence, but you did say “may”, so even when you’re being stupid you’re being smart. Dammit.

“When populations are tiny the founding genes are important. Besides, until fairly modern times the small negro race was said to live in the rain forest. In these rain forests the gound is fairly clear and there’s a canopy that really blocks direct sunlight and in fact it’s do dense that you can even walk on in places.”

-Early monkey-men/Homo-species evolved in the Savannah. Africa’s Jungles shifted more to woodland and Savannah when rainfall was blocked by the Himalayas being pushed up by the Indian sub continent. We came out of the trees and evolved along with our environment. We evolved to be erect to better navigate these grasslands, looking over the grass for predators as we quickly walked from tree patch to tree patch where we found safety. Walking up erect freed up our hands to develop tools. The development of tools spurred our cognitive growth which eventually allowed for superior hunting. A high caloric diet of protein allowed for developing even larger brains. I swear I know things. What were we talking about again?

“Less direct sunlight than in Europe.”

-You just said large populations don’t live in the jungle. Don’t use conflicting theories to prove me wrong. One will be enough thank you. Gotcha!

“A lot of the theories we have sound good but I think they’ll be revised in the future.”

-Of course.

“Genius arose there first”

“Name one and don’t give me some Arab from Timbuctoo a new city dating from 1400.”

-I was literally meaning arose, as in some primitive man perfected the use of fire or cave painting or such. But as far as the rest of believing in black genius, I was thinking of several modern black thinkers. Of course, any black person in America has a large chunk of white ancestry. And I was kinda gonna count some Arabs and stuff, but as we’ve gone over, I didn’t know of the significant genetic isolation between the two groups. How many times are you gonna use that against me?

“But genetic diversity between individuals far exceeds the diversity between races ”

“You know this for a fact or are you just repeating some nonsense you read? We still don’t know what 95% of genes are for so you may want to reserve judgement until we really know something.”

-I’m sure enough, but lets call it ‘genetic expression’ to hedge my bets.

“””Notwithstanding the genetic differences between individuals, all humans have a great deal of their genetic information in common. These similarities help define us as a species. Furthermore, genetic variation around the world is distributed in a rather continuous manner; there are no sharp, discontinuous boundaries between human population groups. In fact, research results consistently demonstrate that about 85 percent of all human genetic variation exists within human populations, whereas about only 15 percent of variation exists between populations .”””

http://science.educa tion.nih.gov/supplements/nih1/genetic/guide/genetic_variation1.htm

“Personally, I go by the “Proof is in the Pudding” theory
I can’t analyse every element that goes into something but I can see the end result. I can see the Caucasian ancient Egyptians and the pyramids and on the other side of Africa black people who only managed to build simple structures and huts.”

-I was the one pointing out the difference between Sub-Saharan and Northern-African blacks first you know. Again, I still had no idea there was SUCH genetic isolation of the Sub-Saharans however. I knew they were isolated, but not that isolated. I need to research it more. I’m still kinda blown away by it and brings up a lot of questions in my mind.

“A high IQ often makes someone weird. They can often be geeky, nerdy, non-social, and even maladaptive”

“I haven’t found this to be true in general and the high IQ men seem to be good at everything including attracting the top females.”

-A lot of the geniuses I’ve read about where pretty weird. Tesla, Einstein, Da Vinci…. I could go on. In fact, books have been written about it. Anyways, genius is more than just IQ. However, I still stand by what I said even in terms of just IQ. And show me where high IQ correlates to being good at everything, especially the attracting females part. High IQ has a significant amount to do with visual spatial thought, which is a general strength of people with a masculine/male brain. (Hence the lack of female geniuses to a large degree) When this is exaggerated it leads to Aspergers/Autism, which are considered traits of an extreme male brain. I think geeks and nerds are just high functioning Aspys. I’m one of those people (as much as you can put someone in a classification box), so maybe I’m overstating the linkage, but IQ tests, especially historically, tested a lot of visual spatial problem solving and pattern deciphering. They add more of a verbal component now to help out the girls. They’ve also added more of a memory component I believe as well to balance out the test, but it’s still largely visual spatial problem solving.

http://sprott.physics. wisc.edu/pickover/strange.htm

http://www.forumbiodive rsity.com/showthread.php?t=13930

http://www.sunray 22b.net/ iq_and_personality.htm

http://news.stanfo rd.edu/news/2002/june12/crazy_genius.html

http://www.euped ia.com/forum/showthread.php?24538-What-characterises-people-with-high-IQ-s

“It’s actually lower IQ’s that are associated with mental disorders and anti social behavior (that’s a generalisation)”

-Sure. I would argue being on both sides of the bell curve would make someone abnormal enough to be weird. By definition, those who are not average are different. That’s technically a straw-man argument you just did there, but I know your just sharing your thoughts fluidly, which is cool. That’s all I was doing until you tore into me.

“Raw mental processing power is not always a bonus because of the trade off with other cognitive faculties such as instinct, emotion”

“That’s not true unless you’re an idiot savant like Rainman. You’re trying to rationalise that a low IQ is somehow good.”

-The brain has to make cognitive trade offs. I stand by this. Research the neuroscience, I’m tired of looking things up, but you think some brains are just smart and some are dumb. It’s a complicated interaction of its components. One brain can’t do everything.

“And what makes you believe that there’s some sort of “trade off”.”

-Common sense. There’s only so much gray matter to go around. That’s why I said big brains have a natural advantage. It’s a bigger computer. Brains are specialized. You can be a genius in one area and an idiot in another. If your a genius in one thing, it doesn’t make you a genius in everything. You think high a IQ means smart in all ways. That’s not true at all. It measures a very specific set of cognitive traits. You need to research what IQ measures. You know, you really were only condescending at your open, which flavored the rest of what you said to me as such, so I won’t give you a hard time on the one’s where I think I’m still right.

“Next you’ll be telling us that good looking people are dumber when in fact we know that they are generally smarter. No trade off.”

-Strawman. Come on, that’s number two. Totally different and you know it. You are being mean. I’m just too tired to play tho. Next time adversary.

“Because human genius requires a subtle blend of human behaviors, IQ is just one element to help it along”

“You still need a level of IQ PLUS all of the other factors not in lieu of.”

-STRAWMAN! Your putting arguments into my mouth. I never said anything contradictory to your statement. Now I don’t like you again. That’s 3 Strawmen almost in a row.

“Einstein had a unique brain anatomy”

“But he didn’t and when it was disected it just looked like any other brain so perhaps it had to do with function.”

-So wrong. Research it. You’re just being argumentative to feel smart. What are you compensating for, and do you Google anything in a debate? I would never seriously debate without Google. Why fight with one hand tied behind your back. Use Google more.

“All of this is a lot of my opinion”

“Opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one.”

-Clever. I’ve never heard that before. Did you come up with that your self? And so sorry I tried to point out my fallibility as a mere imperfect human. How dare I? You must be a God amongst men. Let me bow down to you and then I’ll go commit seppuku. You are a dick.

“I judge people as individuals. ”

“That may be your problem Intelligent people know how to make generalisations. You’re looking at the exception rather than the general rule. Females do this.”

-I generalize like everyone else, but out of common decency, I try to judge people as individuals. You’re going to come at me because I said I judge people as individuals? Suuuuper dick. It was a throw away line. The brain processes the world by basically putting everything into groups and using that info to make future predictions. It stereotypes for a living. Tiger=BAD. But I have the luxury of getting to know people in our current society before I judge them. Sorry I’m not a dick like you.

Yeah, I don’t like you right now. You where condescending again at the end.

Look, I’m a geek, in the good ways and bad, but my IQ has tested as high as 142. I’ve taken the test, professionally administered, several times as an adult (I was trying to work some stuff out. Long story.). It averages at 135. I have some other useful cognitive traits that aren’t measured by the test but that have garnered me accolades and praise throughout my life. If you can’t tell I’m smart, then that just means you’re not smart. Don’t be a dick dick. Your lucky you got me on the whole Caucasian thing which I had a lot of false premises built around. It most likely won’t happen again that we start a debate on such un-level ground. I would like to know your background on all the genetic stuff. Self taught? Professional? Oh well, it’s been fun. See you around asshole. I guess, I dislike and like you at the same time. You probably have an negative opinion about that fact, knowing you. Like I’m stupid for not being able to make up my mind or something bitchy like that. Such a douche. Such an intelligent douche.

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Jabberwocky June 17, 2012 at 21:59

Well, I got it into moderation. I broke my links into two, which I guess helped, so slam ‘em together for those interested parties who want to follow them.

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meistergedanken June 18, 2012 at 04:26

Ah, Jabberwocky, how I’ve missed your dialectical flair and reasonable ingenuity.

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Charles Martel June 19, 2012 at 10:46

Jabberwocky
Um, why would people down vote a map of human migration patterns?

Probably because it features the “out of Africa” theory, which will eventually be proven totally false.

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Firepower June 19, 2012 at 15:44

chas and mistergoodhanki are right:
Jabberwocky’s 400 page posts
are the kind of posts
that will spur mrm
on to the Big Win!

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Firepower June 20, 2012 at 08:20

Jabberwocky June 17, 2012 at 21:51

Um, why would people down vote a map of human migration patterns?

Your map didn’t have enough “shoulds” and “wish” words in it for local gang of Active Activists™!

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deb rubio December 23, 2012 at 00:03

I want pictures!!!!! :-X

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