Feminism Eastern European Style

by W.F. Price on June 10, 2012

FEMEN is at it again, baring breasts and making noise at male events to attract attention. The Ukrainian women of FEMEN are generally much more attractive than the equivalents here in the Anglo world, because they haven’t yet adopted the sedentary lifestyle of driving everywhere and gorging oneself quickly on supersized meals. This does allow them to attract a fair amount of attention, but to Western observers it is rather puzzling, since our feminists take a decidedly different approach. In fact, it often seems that they are inviting rather than defying men.

The main concerns of FEMEN, as they state, are sex tourism and harassment of students in Kiev. I’ve never been to Kiev, but I imagine it can be a problem there. Certain cities in Eastern Europe have become magnets for a trashier sort of young Western male who, with his working-class paycheck, can really live it up in relatively poor Eastern Europe. When I was in Riga, I saw a bit of this, but Latvia seems to have passed that stage and is slowly converging with the northern European norm.

Ironically, what feminists were agitating for in the straight-laced mid-20th century West has been part of Eastern European society for far longer than it has in the West. Bolshevik policies legalized abortion and no-fault divorce 50 years before the West did the same. Women were also taken out of the home and put to work alongside men from the beginning. Although Bolshevik logic finally led to social and economic collapse, something resembling social equality did arise in the postwar era, and according to what I have heard from those who lived through it, society was fairly conservative and women, although hard-pressed in life to handle both family and work, had fairly decent lives under the protective umbrella of the state.

All that fell apart after the Soviet Union crumbled, and shock-therapy capitalism set off an orgy of prostitution and gangsterism. Ukraine was hit severely, and is still feeling the effects. As one might have expected, the social and work equality of the preceding decades removed men’s incentive to protect the women around them, so white knighting was off the table, leaving Eastern European women to fend for themselves in a much more ruthless world where the government no longer had the means or will to protect them. This led to exploitation on a grand scale, and a culture of “get it while it’s hot” sex for profit. Although I never spent time in Eastern Europe during the worst years of this (I was living in Peking at the time), I did know some Ukrainian and Russian women in China, and it was really a bit sad what they’d been reduced to. To be honest, it was appalling to me, as a very young American who had never seen anything like it before.

So I do have some sense of where FEMEN activists are coming from, and I think I understand their motivation to some degree. Essentially, what they are doing is saying “Look at us! We are beautiful! We are worth more than 50 Euros!” This is far, far different from what Western feminists have in mind.

What happened in Eastern Europe is just more evidence that nothing can really substitute for the family. Replacing men with the state will work for some time, but it isn’t sustainable, and the consequences for women can be harsh on a very wide scale. Sure, men may not be perfectly reliable, but most are good enough. When you put all your eggs in one basket – the state – you’re asking for a major catastrophe when things fall apart. Western feminists are singing a siren song other women would be wise to recognize for the danger it is.

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AfOR June 10, 2012 at 12:11

And they too are wrong, they are NOT worth more than 50 Euros, they are worth much less, maybe 10 for an all nighter.

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keyster June 10, 2012 at 12:21

It’s already taking shape here, where the latest generation of Feminists are adapting their messaging with hyper-sexual over-tones via SlutWalks, much to the chagrin of last generation Feminists.

In the end the only REAL power women have over men is their sexuality , and younger feminists are desperate to exploit it for government entitlements and recognition like never before, whether it’s Kiev or Portland.

It’s a sign that the Feminist Movement has run her course.
Other than baring their bald vaginas, there’s nothing left for them to do that matters to anymore. Women failed at becoming more like men, and now they’re doubling down with sex. They’re such idiots.

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Mr. J June 10, 2012 at 12:32

quote: “Behind every oligarch there were thousands of men denied work ans opportunities”

SOUNDS TOO FAMILIAR

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Mr. J June 10, 2012 at 12:32

“and”

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FFP June 10, 2012 at 12:33

Afor, the real market price for a relatively hot young prostitute in EE is around 200 euro. In Ukraine it’s probably less. The hottest Ukrainian and Russian girls who work in Germany, Switzerland, Australia can make up to 50K dollars per month (but typically around 4-5K).

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Okrahead June 10, 2012 at 12:39

What the FEMEN movement 0pposes in Eastern Europe is the natural outcome of the feminist movement…. Sex separated from marriage and commitment leads to transactional sex… prostitution… which inevitably leads to violence and women used as chattel. It’s ironic that the feminists decry traditional Western values of marriage as turning women into “mere property” when it is the feminists themselves who glorify “sex workers” and “slutwalks”. Who is it, then, who truly objectifies women and sells them into slavery?

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Eric June 10, 2012 at 13:06

LOL, six decades of Soviet rule couldn’t turn Ukranian women into feminists and I doubt these twits are going to accomplish anything either. I think FEMEN probably gets considerably more media attention in the West than it gets over there where no one takes them seriously.

When I’ve been in Latin America, I’ve seen feminists get on TV and spout the same crap they do here. The Latin girls giggle at them at make jokes about them being closeted lesbians. In fact, most Latina feminists spend more time in the US giving lectures because they can’t get audiences or airtime much in their own countries.

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AfOR June 10, 2012 at 13:17

@ FTP

No dude, the REAL market price is the real market price, not the “Apex Fallacy” of 200 Euro’s a bang or US$600k a year.

I KNOW FOR A FACT what whores fucking arab princes get paid, and it just ain’t as much as you think.

WHORES LIE, about how much cock they ride and how much they make, which is why as you grow older and wiser you will never find a whore who retired and lives off the interest.

The price a whore can request is the price the cheapest whore on the street will fuck for… if you are foreign and dumb enough to pay what is to them big bucks, as the yank sailors used to do, that has NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH THEY CHARGE NEXT WEEK.

If you ACTUALLY want to know the going price all around Europe it is bout a euro a minute, and ten minutes is all it takes…. I have a 74 yer old friend who hires a 22 year old whore locally, it costs him about a Pound a minute to get rimmed and blown.

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nigeles175d June 10, 2012 at 13:21

Source links available via this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18174387

Excerpts:

Major sporting events such as World Cups and Olympic Games are often preceded by warnings about a rise in prostitution and sex trafficking as a result of the impending influx of spectators.

It seems like every time a World Cup or an Olympics appears on the horizon, so do warnings from the international press, government ministers and police.

They all express fears that thousands of women will be trafficked to the host nation to satisfy the sexual desires of the crowds.

But are such warnings accurate?

The 2004 Olympic Games in Athens seems to be the first major international sporting event to have invoked widespread warnings about a rise in prostitutes and sex workers. It is often reported to have seen its sex trafficking almost doubling.

However, a report by the Global Alliance Against Traffic in Women (GAATW) shows the number of cases in Athens during the whole of 2004 was 181, up from 93 in 2003 – a far cry from the many thousands of women said to be threatened by trafficking in these situations.

None of these 181 cases were linked to the Games by Greek authorities.

Prior to the 2006 World Cup in Germany, similar warnings were issued by media and various officials, but according to an EU report from January 2007, the German government only found five cases of trafficking cases linked to the tournament.

The report also states that “the increase in forced prostitution and human trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation during the 2006 World Cup in Germany which was feared by some did not materialise” with “no sign whatsoever of the alleged 40,000 prostitutes/forced prostitutes – a figure repeatedly reported, also in international media”.

And yet, the 2006 World Cup has been used as an example of an instance where huge numbers of prostitutes were paid for sex by large numbers of the tournament attendees.

Sticking with World Cups, a study funded by the United Nations Population Fund and conducted after the 2010 tournament in South Africa found there was no significant change in the numbers of men visiting prostitutes during that event.

But there had been broad speculation that between 40,000 and 100,000 sex workers from all over the world would enter South Africa because of that tournament.

The 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games, held in Vancouver, Canada were also subject to similar speculation – but according to a study conducted afterwards by University of British Columbia researchers, mass trafficking didn’t happen there, either.

The study says that “despite sensationalised media coverage” prior to the Games, there was “no evidence in this study to support concerns of an influx of sex workers or reports of trafficking of women or girls”.

Many have used the experiences of the Greeks, Germans and South Africans to form an argument that London will have to brace itself for increased numbers of sex workers.

The Metropolitan Police Service’s Human Exploitation and Organised Crime Command (SCD9) was set up at the start of 2010 to tackle vice, human trafficking and immigration crime. It has a team focusing on vice-related crime in the five Olympic host boroughs – Newham, Hackney, Waltham Forest, Tower Hamlets and Greenwich.

SCD9 was given £600,000 to tackle the potential increase in trafficking in those five boroughs in the run up to 2012.

However, a Met Police Authority report on SCD9 published in October 2011 said the “intelligence currently held does not support any increase in prostitution in the Olympic Boroughs and actually shows a decrease in some locations”.

And a Met Police spokesman says SCD9 was set up “based on assessments made over three years ago” which had used “the best information available” at that time. “As time has moved on we have not seen any rise in trafficking linked with the Olympics,” he adds.

Conservative London Assembly Member Andrew Boff has compiled the Silence of Violence report which also says there is “no strong evidence that trafficking for sexual exploitation does in fact increase during sporting events”.

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continenet June 10, 2012 at 13:27

Mr. J June 10, 2012 at 12:32
quote: “Behind every oligarch there were thousands of men denied work ans opportunities”

That is what was reported. In order to make sure communism would not rise again state industries were sold at bargain prices for those who had contacts and financial ways to buy. They didn’t care what happens to workers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarchs

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Raj June 10, 2012 at 13:37

You are over-analyzing it. They just want attention.

(My ex used to rachet up the drama during major sporting events too)

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A June 10, 2012 at 13:40

> The welfare state IS sustainable and can work beautifully long term, as seen in Scandinavia.

I’ve lived in Sweden most of my life. You and I must have different opinions of what it means for something to work beautifully.

> Even in Scandinavia people still have real partnerships, where both the man and the woman work and both nurture the kid.

Sweden has a higher divorce rate than the US.

> The state’s support goes mainly into infrastructure, daycare, free education. Just like it was in the Soviet Union, just in a more affluent, humanistic and efficient way.

A spot at a Swedish kindergarten costs roughly $1000 per child per month. (Payments from parents are capped at $100/month. Most parents pay much less.) They are not in any way efficient.

In a Swedish kindergarten, you may expect to have your child interrogated by gender theorists (or “gender scientists” are they are known in Swedish, making a mockery of actual science). They (the gender theorists) will want to if your three-year child believes that love is only possible between boys and girls, their feelings about people from other countries, or if your family’s view on God. Swedish kindergartens are not humanistic, they are totalitarian instruments of indoctrination. (Actually, all kindergartens are.)

Some non-Swedish readers might be sceptical of my claims. Run this article through Google Translate: http://www.svd.se/opinion/brannpunkt/forskolebarns-asikter-ska-inte-kartlaggas_6338814.svd

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Anon June 10, 2012 at 13:58

“Look at me, Look at me, Look at me damn it. I’m all woman”

“I hate a man who couldn’t look a good fuck in the eye.”

- June Mack as JUNK YARD SAL in “beneath the valley of the ultra vixens” by Russ Meyers”

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"The One" June 10, 2012 at 14:01

All I can say for them is that they’re not as fat and ugly as American feminists. Also, they have some old world charm, just because they’re not from here.

But only worth what the market will bear, unless they find a man who considers them priceless. Only virtuous women can be considered priceless. Feminists have all sexually objectified themselves at a low value.

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walking in hell June 10, 2012 at 14:09

I spent lots of time around Czech, Slovak, Russian, and Ukraine women. For some reason these groups of women are extremely promiscuous and adultery is the rule and not the exception. Also the family courts in these countries almost always give the children to the women and the women are notorious for disappearing with the children to a another city or country.

The divorce rates from these countries are among the highest in the world. And there seems to be a propensity for prostitution from these groups of women.

One interesting fact is about 20% of the time men in the Czech Republic think children are theirs, when in fact they are not. This statistic is the result of a Czech geneticist.

The striking thing is the sheer beauty these women possess when they are young. That beauty does not last and drops off quickly. If you spend time in one of these countries it seems like the women are either beautiful young girls or old hags.

I would never recommend a Western man to marry or have children with women from one of these groups. Czech Republic is littered with expat guys who are waiting around to visit their children every other weekend. I would especially recommend that men never bring women from these groups to America. They are very conniving and would wring your neck dry once they hooked up with an American lawyer.

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Raj June 10, 2012 at 14:24

^ Women from Serbia, Croatia, Macedonia etc seem to be the same way. Never could figure out why.

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Mojo June 10, 2012 at 15:11

Great comment from Okrahead – that feminism’s assaults on the family inevitably lead to transactional sex i.e. prostitution.

I don’t think this is irreconcilable with Raj’s point that they just want attention, either. The degraded status of the family, and abandonment of women by men, is surely the cause of their attention-seeking.

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keyster June 10, 2012 at 15:52

If the social system of the Soviet Union had lasted and the transition to the capitalist system were gradual, not drastic, as it was, the system would’ve persisted and worked fine.

Go tell it to the Communist Party.
Evil American politicians and capitalists tried to convince them Marxism didn’t work, but they wouldn’t listen. They clung to their tyrannical power like the tired old Stalinists they were; like Fidel and his brother Raul still do.

And now, despite all the evidence to the contrary, we have a Marxist President who thinks it works.

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Emma the Emo June 10, 2012 at 16:31

“You can’t live on the welfare check alone, Scandinavia is way too expensive for that, you can guarantee some minimal existence, but not a decent 1st world lifestyle”
If only it was true…
Actually, you CAN live purely on welfare in Scandinavia, and relatively comfortably. Mom has done it (not on purpose), I’ve done it while I was a kid… It’s not the best, but it’s doable, and it’s even been in the news that this is a problem – some people choose to not work and live off welfare. Because working often means only a couple of thousand kr more, but for a lot more effort than if you didn’t do anything.

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buggeroff11 June 10, 2012 at 17:13

“A” and “walking in hell”

So true and well said, also the justice system is feminist all the way through and treats men & boys as ‘non equal’ everything based on how ONLY women FEEL with gender/family trials held in secret with no accountability or oversight for their sexist desisions, and these poor kids …Scandinavia feminist indoctrination of children is no different in removing and allowing free thinking as the Hitler Youth Movement ever was….

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Lord Valtrex June 10, 2012 at 17:38

“All women, whatever age, rank, profession
or degree, whether virgins, maids or widows,
that shall impose upon, seduce or betray into
matrimony any of His Majesty’s subjects, by
scents, paints, cosmetics, washes, artificial
teeth, false hair, iron stave hoops, highheeled
shoes, bolstered hips, or padded
bosoms shall incur the penalty of the law
enforced against witchcraft and like misdemeanors
and, upon conviction, that marriage
shall stand null and void.”

—Act of British Parliament—1770

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Traveller June 10, 2012 at 17:38

“Certain cities in Eastern Europe have become magnets for a trashier sort of young Western male who, with his working-class paycheck, can really live it up in relatively poor Eastern Europe.”

“trashier” what would mean? Because he is working class he does not deserve experiencing a true female instead of the smelly hairy arrogant Western whale?

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W.F. Price June 10, 2012 at 18:17

“trashier” what would mean? Because he is working class he does not deserve experiencing a true female instead of the smelly hairy arrogant Western whale?

-Traveller

Trashier as in menacing ordinary people going about their business. I was mistaken for a local by gangs of young men on a couple occasions, and was not impressed by the behavior of the Western foreigners in that regard. However, the Russians were at least as bad, and probably worse.

Rob June 10, 2012 at 18:22

@ Lord Valtrex

A Bill for Proportioning Crimes and Punishment — Thomas Jefferson

SECT. XIV. Whosoever shall be guilty of rape, polygamy or sodomy with man or woman, shall be punished; if .. a woman, by boring through the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch in diameter at the least.

When in doubt, go old, rather than new. Good quote you procured!

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TFH June 10, 2012 at 18:41

” Certain cities in Eastern Europe have become magnets for a trashier sort of young Western male who, with his working-class paycheck, can really live it up in relatively poor Eastern Europe. ”

Heh. R0osh and Krauser singlehandedly probably sent hundreds of guys there just between the two of them.

Then again, globalization is about compressing arbitrages that are too large.

Globalization, of course, is the Third Horseman of Male Emanciption…(third of the four).

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wobbegong June 10, 2012 at 19:32

‘Trashier as in menacing ordinary people going about their business. I was mistaken for a local by gangs of young men on a couple occasions, and was not impressed by the behavior of the Western foreigners in that regard. However, the Russians were at least as bad, and probably worse.’

Happened with me when I travelled to EE too, mistaken for a local by pommy and oz trash. Same happens with the locals in Thailand, arrogant foreign dickheads lording it over the locals and the Russians are the worst.

My wonderful lady dentist in Thailand sometimes cops grief from english, NZ and Oz trash blaming her for her inability to fix their rotten teeth. If I’m there I take them to task as the Thais are just too polite to stand up for themselves.

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Eric June 10, 2012 at 20:08

Wobbegong:
The same thing happened to me occasionally in Latin America. Fortunaetly, I can pass for a German and often had to when there were too many Amerotards acting up in the vicinity.

I remember once a group of really obnoxious Americans were causing a problem in a local cafe complaining about how primative the conditions were &c. I pretended to agree with them and advised them to visit Tepito and ‘if you tell them you’re American and wave some cash around, people will do your bidding’. They thanked me, got directions, and hurried off.

(Note: Tepito is a black-market district in Mexico City completely under the thumb of the Mexican Mafia, where the residents are noted for their overt hostility towards Americans).

Another time a bunch of these clods were in a bar complaining loudly because the Mexicans weren’t able to speak anything but Spanish in their own country. I told them they were giving all Americans a bad name. They got pissed and told me that I ‘should just stay with these subhumans because I didn’t belong in a civilized country like the US, and that I was giving all Americans a bad name myself, because only a piece of trash like me would be there with a Mexican girl &c….’

So I smiled and politely translated their sentiments to the crowd, and the g/f and me slipped away with the satisifying sound of breaking glass and overturning tables in the background.

LOL, who says you can’t have a good time abroad?

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James A. Donald June 10, 2012 at 20:19

Interesting that shock therapy had all these dreadful effects where it was applied the least, or not at all, Russia and Ukraine, while having pretty good effects where it was actually applied, Estonia.

Socialism does not work, and the Scandinavian welfare state does not work. Welfare state Scandinavia is collapsing a little slower than the Soviet Union collapsed. Oslo does not look like Detroit or Soviet Russia, but the buildings look a bit old and under maintained, the shop displays are depressing. No, it is not Soviet Russia, nor is it today’s Detroit or Liverpool, but it is clearly heading in that direction.

Russian men were reduced to subhumans when the state had a firm charge of their lives. When the state let go, they could not manage their own lives, and, lacking firm state supervision, large numbers of them drank themselves to death or committed suicide. The same decline of manhood and physical infrastructure is visible in Scandinavia.

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MRA June 10, 2012 at 20:59

When I’ve been in Latin America, I’ve seen feminists get on TV and spout the same crap they do here. The Latin girls giggle at them at make jokes about them being closeted lesbians. In fact, most Latina feminists spend more time in the US giving lectures because they can’t get audiences or airtime much in their own countries.

Not jut that, feminists from Latin American always come from the most privileges class of the countries, no having the problem most Latinos have like water, electricity, food, roads, clothes etc, and most of them studied in the most expensive institutions in the countries or USA, Canada or Europe.

Spend Holidays in hotels in the Caribbean and spend most of their time talking on conference nobody assist about how Latinos MUST adopt the USA, Sweden’s and other feminists ideology if Latino “want to progress” and become modern society.

And most interesting is than for Latinos, feminism=lesbian=–>hate men and boys.

For most Latinos a women who kill her husband she is considered feminists by not just the public but the MEDIA (MSM).

This happend in Dominican Rep, according to the news the woman stole a cellphone from the man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG2aRv_nOgU

You would say “well that is not justified” but for most parts of the Latin countries where the police institution doesn’t work people have to take justice in their own hands…..

…..and As you can see this happen to man and women

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pQpM-MpwEjE

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Poester99 June 10, 2012 at 21:19

The Soviet Union also had a childless tax – but only imposed it on married women (aged 20-45) and ALL men, aged 20-50, the spinsters were spared from this tax.

Here is the basis of the “man” tax. You were required to pay for everyone else’s children. Why were spinsters spared this tax? If women were/are the gatekeepers of sex and marriage then it was in fact mostly *their* own fault that they were childless.

btw, welcome back Skaldi, getting your rough and creepy MRA man fix again?

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Eric June 10, 2012 at 21:25

MRA,
‘…most of them studied in the most expensive universities in the USA Canada and Europe’

Which is exactly where most of them learned to be feminists. They don’t get it from their own culture.

It’s funny too how they always lecture the Latinas on the need to ‘progress’ to feminism. The women down there watch American TV shows and laugh over how domineering and ignorant American women are. If you ask a typical Latina, she’ll tell you that American women act like Amazons because of feminism. They see what our women have ‘progressed’ into!

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Eric June 10, 2012 at 21:27

Poester99:
Wow, first Avenger, now Skaldi? All we need is Boxer to come back, and it will be like an old family reunion again! LOL

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evilwhitemalempire June 10, 2012 at 21:32

Essentially, what they are doing is saying “Look at us! We are beautiful! We are worth more than 50 Euros!” This is far, far different from what Western feminists have in mind.
**************

no it isn’t!

western feminists also started as a sexual trade union

it’s just that the females over there are, on average, so much better looking than their western counterparts that what constitutes a wallflower over there looks damn good to us

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Kevin June 10, 2012 at 21:33

More great articles from Price. I’m surprised you don’t try making something big like Breitbart. I bet if you were to try you could be just as big. The Drudge Report was started in his parents basement.

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piercedhead June 10, 2012 at 22:28

“So I do have some sense of where FEMEN activists are coming from, and I think I understand their motivation to some degree. Essentially, what they are doing is saying “Look at us! We are beautiful! We are worth more than 50 Euros!”

It is trying to understand their frame where it all starts.

The true measure of the desperation of others can be found in suicide and longevity statistics. In the Ukraine, along with most of Eastern Europe, these figures do not favour men – women are doing rather nicely in comparison.

Of course, these girls are not looking at their men’s plight – they are looking at their rich-girl Western neighbours and it is driving them nuts with envy.

If they didn’t have those nice figures and tits, we wouldn’t care less. That’s why they’re flashing them.

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evilwhitemalempire June 10, 2012 at 22:50

Okrahead June 10, 2012 at 12:39
What the FEMEN movement 0pposes in Eastern Europe is the natural outcome of the feminist movement…. Sex separated from marriage and commitment leads to transactional sex… prostitution… which inevitably leads to violence and women used as chattel. It’s ironic that the feminists decry traditional Western values of marriage as turning women into “mere property” when it is the feminists themselves who glorify “sex workers” and “slutwalks”. Who is it, then, who truly objectifies women and sells them into slavery?
***********
take a look at the feminist narrative

-men have power, priviledge
-marriage is slavery for women
-birth control pill = sexual liberation for women

but let’s reverse the genders in that narrative

-women have power, priviledge
-marriage is slavery for men
-birth control pill = sexual liberation for men

which honestly makes more sense to you?

kinda neat eh? like playing songs backwards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mMJvzZq4hA

and not just that.
ever notice how women are always raving about men being narcisists, greedy, manipulative, etc.?

projection. a smoke screen defense mechanism

what if that has something to do with it?

this is why i’m very skeptical of the idea that even feminists, themselves, ever really wanted feminism

that it was all peewee herman tripping down the steps and saying “i mean’t to do that!”

that things happening beyond women’s control might have prompted them to take up this bizarre idea

things like the birth control pill

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walking in hell June 11, 2012 at 00:10

“I did know some Ukrainian and Russian women in China, and it was really a bit sad what they’d been reduced to. To be honest, it was appalling to me, as a very young American who had never seen anything like it before. ”

Quite frankly, they probably deserved it. The women from these countries have treated their men like trash for decades whether communist or not. Read some of the classic Russian literature to see what men had to put up with.

Here is a quote by Chekov from 1895:
“We are not satisfied because we are idealists. We want the beings who give us birth and produce our children to be higher than us, higher than anything on earth. When we are young we romanticize and idolize those we fall in love with; love and happiness are synonyms with us. For us in Russia, loveless marriage is scorned, sensuality is mocked and induces revulsion, and those novels and stories where women are beautiful, poetic and elevated enjoy the most success…. But the trouble is as follows. Hardly do we marry or hit it off with a woman than, give or take a couple of years, and we feel we’ve been disappointed, let down; we try other women and again we find disillusion, again horror, and ultimately we convince ourselves that women are liars, petty, vain, unjust, uneducated, cruel – in a word, even immeasurably lower, not simply not higher, than us men.”

Nothing has changed. Russian women are perhaps the biggest gold diggers and hypergamists on the planet. One reason Russian and Ukrainian men drink so much is because they are abused and neglected by their women.

Here are some passages from a German sociology text. Here is a link to the text
http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/IES/xmain.html

“When a young Russian man marries, he has to deal with a solicitous, but often very dominating wife, much like his mother once was in his youth. The wife knows much better than he how to plan the family budget and what they need for the home and family. The husband ends up merely carrying out her instructions.”

“This social dependency was intensified by the global feminization of all institutions and processes of socialization. As a result of the high level of undesired pregnancies and divorces, every fifth child in the U.S.S.R. was brought up without a father or, at least, a stepfather. In the mid-1980s, some 13,500,000 children were being raised in so-called single-mother families. Yet, even where the father was physically present, his influence and authority in the family and his role in bringing up the children were considerably less than those of the mother.”

If you want to see where America is in terms of social structure here is a passage describing single motherhood in communist Russia. Note the similarity of the statistics and lifestyle description of Soviet Russian and contemporary America.

“The overall trend in Soviet history has been towards the demasculinization of men. Given all the ethnic, religious, and historical variations, the traditional male lifestyle and stereotyped image has always emphasized such virtues as energy, initiative, and independence. These qualities are extremely important for male self-esteem. Yet, the economic inefficiency of the Soviet system, the political despotism, and bureaucracy left little room for individual initiative and autonomy. At any moment in his life, from the cradle to the grave, the Russian boy, adolescent, man felt socially and sexually dependent and frustrated.”

“This social dependency was intensified by the global feminization of all institutions and processes of socialization. As a result of the high level of undesired pregnancies and divorces, every fifth child in the U.S.S.R. was brought up without a father or, at least, a stepfather. In the mid-1980s, some 13,500,000 children were being raised in so-called single-mother families. Yet, even where the father was physically present, his influence and authority in the family and his role in bringing up the children were considerably less than those of the mother.”

“Even in Communist times, the unhappiness of Russian families was hard to hide. The divorce rate in the 1970s was 40 percent; now it is 51 percent”

“The collapse of Soviet rule changed everything in Russia, except the relationship between the sexes, which has deteriorated significantly. Expectations in heterosexual relationships have been and are low, but divorce rates remain high, and the number of single mothers, either divorced or never married, keeps growing. In contrast with the United States where single mothers have become the hallmark of the poorest urban areas, Russian women from all walks of life, domestic and factory workers, college graduates, university professors, and professionals alike, have grown inured to raising their families without men, relying on a support network of mothers, sisters, and aunts in a kind of matriarchal society with a downward spiral of poverty and limited horizons. Paternal absence and neglect is a reality widely shared by Russian women, regardless of background, aspirations, or income.”

Did you read that? “a support network of mothers, sisters, and aunts in a kind of matriarchal society with a downward spiral of poverty”

In other words, a massive ghetto.

According to this graph, every fifth child in America is living with a single parent.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/single-parents-around-the-world/

Looks like America is following the path of the USSR. Stupid women traded their families and men for the state. The consequences for us men? Same as in Russia. Lower life expectancies, higher suicide rates, higher alcohol and drug use, more disparity of income, more divorce, lower birth rate, more draconian family courts.

Don’t think that just because the American political system collapses things are going to improve because men will have long before that time have been completely marginalized and 2nd and 3rd generations of children will have been raised without fathers, thereby condemning these children to failed relationships themselves.

Looks like things are just getting started in America.

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walking in hell June 11, 2012 at 01:03

“This happend in Dominican Rep, according to the news the woman stole a cellphone from the man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG2aRv_nOgU

Good video. Nice to see the female criminal being fairly punished as she is shedding crocodile tears.

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AfOR June 11, 2012 at 02:24

I don’t think many of you understand Social Security either…. I didn’t, until I was in a prison cell and another inmate explained it.

it is “security for society” as he said, security for society from him, so that if he stole a loaf of bread he could be imprisoned, because he did not have the excuse that he had to steal to eat… therefore lacking any such excuse he could be punished as harshly as the person who stole 100 loaves of bread, and sold 99 of them on for profit.

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evilwhitemalempire June 11, 2012 at 02:34

afor

do i understand you to mean that public welfare and etc. is created to justify a police state?

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freebird June 11, 2012 at 03:04

@AFOR- In Texas it’s legal to shoot and kill for stealing a loaf of bread from a store.
I’ve read about it in the papers(actually happend(s)

and thought it a bit over the top,but it extends to all private property,so it’s up to the individual to excersize discretion.

But yeah, people’s income levels and sourcing heavily influences their political and ‘moral’ thought processes.

For instance,most young men don’t like to see that SS money being taken out of the paycheck,but upon retiring sure like to have the checks coming,or God forbid,get disabled and have no other income to live upon.

Teddy Roosevelt headed up the Rough Riders,he was no hothouse lily.
(Like the current actor)

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AfOR June 11, 2012 at 03:05

@ evilwhite

correlation != causation

however, if you are the one in the hole, does it matter if it is by design or accident.

look at WHEN social security was implemented

prior to SS eg prior to WW2 around here there was a very local collective socialism known as “living on the parish” where the poor got hand outs from the church, from stuff given to the church.

back then stealing a single loaf to eat and stealing 100 to sell was seen quite differently

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AfOR June 11, 2012 at 03:07
Ode June 11, 2012 at 03:31

AfOR says

And they too are wrong, they are NOT worth more than 50 Euros, they are worth much less, maybe 10 for an all nighter.

It’s time to settle this with basic math. Yeah I know women don’t like math especially when it reveals an inconvenient truth that does not support their ideology.
Folks we’re talking about a country where the average person would only make $300 a month at a normal job. So $50 is 1/6th of an average person’s monthly income. That’s very generous compensation.

To put this in perspective a typical American woman might make $3,000 a month. So 1/6th of that is $500 dollars. Holly crap now that’s some serious money for only 20 minutes of sex which is how long the average John would last once you get the friction on, if even that. Prostitutes in America do not make that type of money.

These Ukrainian girls are not being exploited. They are laughing all the way to the bank.

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freebird June 11, 2012 at 03:37

Speaking of “The Narrative” I was reading on NoMaam blog last night,Rob is doing a great job over there,it has an encyclopedia of feminist quotes.
I realized I could take Andrea Dworkin’s
most radical spewings and reverse the gender and substitute “steal money” or “inprision” for “rape” and it would fit my thoughts about feminism today to a tee.

Quite disturbing.
Either she pre-empted the discourse by projection of future grievances,or I’ve been focused on the misandry too long and too hard.
Seriously- I don’t know anymore.

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wobbegong June 11, 2012 at 04:20

@ Eric

Nice work, done that too!!!

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AfOR June 11, 2012 at 04:41

re whores

when you are in a mixed group, just drop a little anecdote and mention that you heard that an old (age) friend of a friend is paying a pound a minute, eg 180 quid for three hours with a young whore.

the wimminz who are NOT with their men will all say “Fuck, I wish I could earn money that easily”, whereas the wimminz who ARE with their men will all say “that is disgusting, dirty old man”

ALL wimminz will fuck for money, and a lot less money than you think, the deal is that they have to believe IT WILL NEVER GET OUT.

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FFP June 11, 2012 at 06:36

James A. Donald: “.. while having pretty good effects where it was actually applied, Estonia.”

Are you kidding me? You have any idea about the demographic consequences of the shock therapy on Estonia? The Baltic countries lost about one fourth, if not more, of their population. Estonia, while recovering pretty nicely in the latest years (it’s birth rate is rising), still has a terrible Gini index. Neoliberal ideology destroyed these countries economies, and only now they’re starting to build something resembling a productive base. The only reason the Baltics did so much better than Ukraine was because the people there have a slightly better work ethic, and are more pragmatic than the Slavic people. The neoliberal shock therapy is absolutely THE WORST you can do to a small country in transition (or even any people), and since you say this about Estonia, I can only wish that you and your kin experience it too. The Baltic people would’ve gotten back to capitalism either way (they already had successful capitalism in the 1930s), as they are pretty industrious, there was no need to sell off the state enterprises for nothing and ruin the social system.

Ukraine is ofc a failing state with much worse problems. I suspect the shock therapy there was even more massive and is probably still continuing.

“Socialism does not work, and the Scandinavian welfare state does not work. Welfare state Scandinavia is collapsing a little slower than the Soviet Union collapsed. Oslo does not look like Detroit or Soviet Russia, but the buildings look a bit old and under maintained, the shop displays are depressing. No, it is not Soviet Russia, nor is it today’s Detroit or Liverpool, but it is clearly heading in that direction.”

Utter BS and lies. Scandinavia is persistently ranked the highest on all human development data. Their economies are some of the most competitive in the world. Their economy has been the most stable lately, exactly because it is a mixed economy, not neoliberal, whereas the ultra capitalistic UK has really suffered lately and is losing jobs. Sure, they have debt, but so does EVERYONE! The only problem is they should do the dirty jobs themselves, instead of inviting ppl from non-European countries and they will be fine. Whereas the UK is screwed – it’s not even an English country anymore. Infrastructure? Have you been on a bus through a Norwegian tunnel lately? Have you seen a gas plant in the Barents? The boat system in the fjords? You have no idea what you’re saying, they have some of the best infrastructure in the world. Who cares what the store windows look like. Are you that materialistic? What matters is the roads, the health and the education, not a load of cheap and unnecessary consumer products.

“Russian men were reduced to subhumans when the state had a firm charge of their lives. When the state let go, they could not manage their own lives, and, lacking firm state supervision, large numbers of them drank themselves to death or committed suicide.”

Partly true, yes, even though I think many Russian guys above 35 would disagree with you about the “subhuman” part. But I do agree, however, they degraded mainly because they lost their jobs – the source of their identity. Big factories were sold off instead of being modernized or just abandoned. The manufacturing base was gone in a short time – that can be a HUGE shock on the male population.

“The same decline of manhood and physical infrastructure is visible in Scandinavia.”

Absurd. It is crazy to compare the Nordics with a collapsing Soviet Union, as these two can’t be further from each other. Even on the island of Spitsbergen/Svalbard, the Soviet part is in ruins, with old Lenin monuments lying around, while the Norwegian part has nice little homes and shops. The Nordic population is growing, the Russian – still falling dramatically. Decline of manhood? The Nordic men have MUCH better health and spending power than their EE counterparts. The vast majority of Nordic men are employed and many in export industries. Sure, some of them like to stay in school until 30+, and such, but those men are discreetly considered “losers” by the female population and will probably remain as bachelors forever. Most Nordic men have decent jobs and can afford a lot. Russian men have only been catching up lately, and they still have a long way to go in terms of their health, productivity and general quality.

And, Emma, sweetie, ofc, there are some people who can live on the benefits, but that won’t last a lifetime for most of them and if they choose to do this they’ll never attain the average living standard – they will live from hand to mouth forever which is not how most Scandinavians want to live. And let’s be honest – the ethic is pretty strong there that everyone has to work. Those countries are far from freeloader countries and if they managed to keep the freeloaders out, they’d be fine. The benefits are only meant to be used for a short time. Just like you did – see, aren’t you happy to be a woman in Norway? In Ukraine you wouldn’t get any support whatsoever, would be harrassed by men in power positions and would be peer pressured to dress/look entirely differently than you do now (and trust me, that can eventually give you some serious mental issues). You should be very very grateful to your country.

Having said that though… there is a “decline of manhood” (in the “traditional” sense) in the West, indeed, but it is more visible in the Southern European countries, to some extent in Germany and in Anglo countries.

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FFP June 11, 2012 at 06:48

“Why were spinsters spared this tax?”

Because the authorities back then must have understood the nature of the sexes. Most people wanted to and did get married back then and had by and large nuclear families. Most people married very young, both men and women. The government knew that the women will not be reluctant to have a family if they can, whereas the men needed some “encouragement”. There were very, very few spinsters, and most of the time it wasn’t out of their own free will.

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FFP June 11, 2012 at 06:58

“ALL wimminz will fuck for money..”

Er.. actually they won’t. Most women actually can’t bring themselves to sleep with a guy they’re not attracted to because it is pretty gross. Not the guy, just the thought of sex with him. Even you wouldn’t want to sleep with some much older, fat, ugly woman. Yea, the money looks good, but it’s not for everyone. It’s not worth it too. Imagine, you have to live with those gross memories for the rest of your life. Ew, real mental trauma. Plus the diseases, potential abuse and all the other risks. Pimps come out here and seek out and lure women, if women thought it was a good deal, they wouldn’t have to make such an effort to recruit women. The demand is much much higher than the available young women willing to do this.

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FFP June 11, 2012 at 07:02

“These Ukrainian girls are not being exploited. They are laughing all the way to the bank.”

And let’s be frank here – some of those Femen girls look pretty hot – they are young, skinny and with good faces. If they wanted to, they would have NO PROBLEM finding a rich sugar daddy in the West (or even a regular beta boyfriend). It happens as we speak. All they’d have to do is just go online. Hell, they could even find a relatively ok Slavic boyfriend (these kind of chicks can pull a pretty decent guy even there). But that’s not what they chose – they chose to be the naked feminist activists instead. That says a lot about their priorities.

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beta_plus June 11, 2012 at 07:02

@A

Sweden and Scandinavia do not work because of their welfare states.

They work because they are full of Swedes and Scandinavians.

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beta_plus June 11, 2012 at 07:07

@W. F. Price

Was it just British Chavs who tried to intimidate you or did other nationalities do it as well?

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FFP June 11, 2012 at 07:35

“Sweden and Scandinavia do not work because of their welfare states.

They work because they are full of Swedes and Scandinavians.”

100% agreed.

Btw, the welfare state (Folkhemmet) is what the Swedish chose themselves in the 1950s. But ofc since then the model has changed quite a bit.

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W.F. Price June 11, 2012 at 07:40

@W. F. Price

Was it just British Chavs who tried to intimidate you or did other nationalities do it as well?

-beta_plus

Happened twice. Once British chavs, once Russian hooligans. The Russians were worse — one of them, a guy in a gang of a half dozen drunk comrades, slammed a cobblestone against a wall next to me while shouting something at me. It wasn’t pleasant, but then again as an American I’ve been in far nastier situations (like in Oakland), so I just kept my cool and ignored them, and as usual it worked.

A June 11, 2012 at 08:22

> They work because they are full of Swedes and Scandinavians.

Don’t worry. Our efficient and humanistic state will have that problem fixed in a couple of years.

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Tim June 11, 2012 at 09:04

It wasn’t pleasant, but then again as an American I’ve been in far nastier situations (like in Oakland), so I just kept my cool and ignored them, and as usual it worked.

Heh. If you can survive Oakland you can survive anywhere. Gentlemen, let us not forget – American cities are the most dangerous in the world.

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Ron June 11, 2012 at 09:07

What it really comes down to is that men have to start pulling their heads out of their collective asses and start standing up for themselves.

Children must go with the provider. The one who pays takes the kids.

Out of wedlock children go to the mother, so do all responsibilites. Ie no child support for out of wedlock, no inheritance rights, etc.

No alimony. Mandatory Paternity testing. Honor prenup agreements.

If you do not start to do these things you will lose your civilization.

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evilwhitemalempire June 11, 2012 at 12:08

The government knew that the women will not be reluctant to have a family if they can, whereas the men needed some “encouragement”.
***************

i’ll bet they did

this is where the big manosphere lie comes in

that men (collectively) want marriage, children

no we don’t!

keep it real folks

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evilwhitemalempire June 11, 2012 at 12:12

that lie is at least as big as the feminist lie that women don’t want them

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Eric June 11, 2012 at 12:50

Price:
But unlike our feminised police, Putin’s guys know how to deal with soccer hooligans LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_6jm94c530&feature

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Michael Parrotte June 11, 2012 at 20:42

A very nice article, and so many comments. But it is not so complicated. Attention Whores exist in every culture. FEMEN is nothing more than that although all the history of Marxism and the USSR is interesting the reality is just not that complicated. And I say that as a person who spent a lot of time in Russia and the Ukraine.

The life expectancy today of a male in Russia is only 60 years old while for females it is 73! Life is tough in the former USSR but just like everywhere else women don’t have it nearly as bad as they would like everyone to think.

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Ode June 11, 2012 at 22:55

Lara says

Yes, American men are overvalued, due to the good fortune of begin born in a rich and powerful country. Most of these men had no hand in building it up. Globalization is giving many foreign men a chance to work hard, and attain the standard of living, American men have always enjoyed.

So basically Lara what you are saying is American men right now should take advantage of their good fortune by going on an international sex tour and pump and dump as many international ladies as possible before globalization diminishes the arbitrage power of the USA dollar. This opportunity might not be available to the next generation of American men.

Hey now that’s some good advice, thank you Lara.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9FqBrForbM

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Art Vandelay June 12, 2012 at 07:24

Well the Nazi display they did in Germany was in incredibly poor taste.

http://www.berliner-kurier.de/panorama/femen-demo-hamburg-reeperbahn-nackt-hitlergruss-dildo,7169224,16340594.html

They mostly seem like attention whores.

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Peace Debts June 12, 2012 at 10:00

FFP June 11, 2012 at 06:36
“Are you kidding me? You have any idea about the demographic consequences of the shock therapy on Estonia? The Baltic countries lost about one fourth, if not more, of their population.

Nobody lost anybody. Half of those “lost” was never “their population” in the first place and they returned home (soviet military personnel etc). Another “lost” half are exercising their right to move freely between European countries and choose where to live and work. They didn’t perish, they just changed their location. And I’m happy for them, maybe someday I’ll move permanently too.

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ActaNonVerba June 14, 2012 at 04:07

I don’t understand anything FEMEN say. We must never, ever forget the simplest truth: however the average woman has it in a given society, the average man has it much worse. The Middle East, Eastern Europe, Sudan, you name it.

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ActaNonVerba June 14, 2012 at 04:07

I don’t understand anything FEMEN say. We must never, ever forget the simplest truth: however the average woman has it in a given society, the average man has it much worse. The Middle East, Eastern Europe, Sudan, you name it.

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ActaNonVerba June 14, 2012 at 04:07

I don’t understand anything FEMEN say. We must never, ever forget the simplest truth: however the average woman has it in a given society, the average man has it much worse. The Middle East, Eastern Europe, Sudan, you name it.

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Maloup June 15, 2012 at 01:41

I’m a regular in Kiev. I fucked so many 18-year-olds there than I care to count. 30, at least. The average price is about $200-400 for a day. Those are not desperate crack whores or indentured to pimps, they’re just students who want to make some pin money to buy Western hip goods like iPhones and iPads. The last one I fucked, a gorgeous 18-year-old who looked 16 (I checked her passport to be sure) candidly admitted that she wanted to finance a trip to Rome for a concert of one “DJ Tiesto”, whoever this guy is.

Another one has 3 kids from 3 different marriages.When I asked her why she was in this line or work, why she didn’t find some honest job, she told me the hours were better and she could make in 2 hours the equivalent of a month salary.

So, there you have it. This is my experience.

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Maloup June 15, 2012 at 01:53

Oh, regarding my last post, which I cannot edit.

My point is that only a small fraction of those “escorts”, as they like to be called, are really desperate and/or forced by the Russian mob. The vast majority, at least according to my extensive experience, just stay in the business long enough to rack up some extra cash for the summer or for whatever they want to buy, and then they stop doing it.

Oh, and interesting fact: 90% of them had a boyfriend. That is, they were unabashedly cuckolding them, just because they wanted the extra money. And they didn’t show the slightest hint of shame for it.

One of the many facets of hypergamy: the woman doesn’t necessarily enter in a permanent relationship with a more powerful or moneyed man, she will enter in a “temporary arrangement” only to extract a precise amount of wealth, and then get out. Maybe we could call it “expedient hypergamy” or somesuch.

Also worthy of note is the ENORMOUS amount of porn currently produced from Russia/Ukraine. The performers are more than willing. There may not be a connection, but I wanted to point it out.

Sorry if my comments come off as a tad scurrilous, but this is the way it is.

My two cents.

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Maloup June 15, 2012 at 03:02

@FFP

Precisely. As I said, I fucked many Ukrainians as a “temporary sugar daddy”, mostly from Kiev with a couple from Odessa and Lviv, and they were educated girls, more often than not with boyfriends and jobs, who WANTED (the operative word here is WANTED, it was a completely free choice, there was absolutely no mob nor pimping involved) to fuck comparatively rich foreigners in order to enjoy a better lifestyle. They already had food on the table and a roof over their heads. They simply wanted to have a taste of the “Western lifestyle”, which the media promote ENDLESSLY there. This is especially true in Ukraine since the country has European ambitions.

The music videos show the same things, the same choreography, the same overarching message (be a slut, fuck families, men are stupid, you deserve to be a wymmin), only the songs are in Russian. They get the same movies. They’re learning English at an alarming rate , and by doing so, they are automatically exposed to the feminist drivel implicit in Anglophone media – just flip on the tube there and see by yourself. The people dress the same as us. On the plane, you see a fuckload of Russian/Ukrainians flaunting their iPods and iPhones. And so on.

Of course those youngsters are bombarded with pictures of this lifestyle and its attendant accoutrements, which boil down to super-expensive toys accessible only to the upper middle class, given that most status-defining luxury things are imported.

So what do you get? Hordes of extremely young women who think nothing of selling their bodies (because the media tell them is ok to do so) to have access to the perks of the upper-classes and/or to appear “cool”.

Also, fun fact: last years I was sitting on a bench in Khreshchatyk Street, which is the main thoroughfare in Kiev, and I recognized TWO (TWO!) pornstars walking by. What are the odds? And yet, it happened. Eerie, but still.

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