Rite of Passage

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by Uncle Elmer on May 28, 2012

My son received his Selective Service notice a few days ago. Like most young men, he didn’t know what it was. I handed it to him and intoned “You’re a man now.”

Inserted in the mailer were several leaflets advertising opportunities in the “New Military”.

My own military service was laughable. During Army Basic, my old man showed up, and as several of us were out on the parade ground cleaning our M-16s he reminisced about field stripping his M-1 while blindfolded during his boot camp training in 1942. It was a small moment of bonding in our often contentious relationship as his idiot son demonstrated a sliver of responsibility and manhood.

During my stay at Fort Knox, the Drill Instructors warned us about where to crap during bivouac : “Your daddies and grand-daddies shit all over these woods….”. Many years later when I researched my genealogy I found out it was true, the Elmerson clan had deep roots in American military history, and had indeed shit all over the woods of Fort Knox and surrounding environs.

I didn’t join the Army out of any patriotic fervor, it was just an option for a useless young man aspiring to be a “jazz-rock” musician. College was not in my life plan at that time, being a superstar was. I went “Airborne” because Jimi Hendrix had been a paratrooper, and planned to fake a back injury after I got my “wings” so I could get out and put it on my resume.  The Army predictably sucked for me but provided time for me to realize I had no musical talent, so on discharge used my GI Bill to pay for school. Even that I mis-managed and slogged my way towards a degree. At any rate I finally attained it and it has paid off in the years since. In retrospect I could have done it all in a lot less time and trouble than I made for myself.

As for my sons, I don’t advocate either way on the military. It can be a good deal if you understand your options and what you are getting into. The military really does provide a lot of educational opportunities that many fail to avail themselves of. One may get a decent assignment or stuck in a miserable situation and that will affect one’s attitude, however, long-term benefits and options are available if you research them. In my day, the recruiter might only hand you a few brochures and little useful advice. These days you have the internet; don’t walk in and announce you wanna be “Airborne”, or, a “Navy SEAL” for crying out loud because they have a special lever for guys like you that lands them right in some shit. There are plenty of other military jobs that provide work satisfaction and you should find out about them and compare against your innate skills and interests. Furthermore, your initial first years are a heavy investment. If you simply depart the service with no continued military career plans, you will have lost some of this significant effort.

Now, I didn’t want to make this another post about Elmer. Just two cents on Memorial Day while trying to pass some pointers on to my son minus the bitterness and cynicism.

 

 

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suspectum May 28, 2012 at 12:22

One question: why are there women in military uniform in the ss picture? Oh yes, that’s right, because they “go girl” and can do any job just as well as men can. Surely, they also get registered for selective service then, right? Everything else would be male privilege (paperwork, maybe being called up or the honor of dying or spending years at war)

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Traveller May 28, 2012 at 12:34

From Google News front page:

“Memorial Day to remember the men AND THE WOMEN [uppercase mine] died in wars.”

What women? Of course even the communist Wikipedia adds “and the women”. Everyone knows the truth instead.

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Eximio May 28, 2012 at 12:48

I will believe a little more in “equality” when women receive their notice that they have been registered as eligible for the draft.

In the meantime, I don’t recommend that your son join the military. What would he be fighting for? This country disrespects men like your son. Tell him to look out for himself until this country gets its act together (which, of course, may never happen).

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 12:49

Elmer:
I’ve noticed in PSAs on the radio for Selective Service, the advertisements always preach self-righteously about young men’s repsonsibility in registering and implying how it’s the ‘manly’ thing to do.

Hmmm…so registering with the government is what a ‘real man’ does?

Because once a guy’s in today’s androgynous, politically-correct, feminised military there’s not a lot of ways for him to express himself as a man. As Keyster pointed out, women are now even being included in Ranger training. The seamless, ‘inclusionist’, policies pursued by the Bushmen, Clintonistas, and Obamanogs, have turned the military, for all intents and purposes, into another feminist Empowerment Zone, just like schools, government, media, and the Corporatocracy.

It’s one thing to fall for the corporate media propaganda and pretend that our military is still the ‘best on earth’ because it’s capable of defeating countries like Panama, Serbia, or Libya. But it’s going to be another matter altogether if the US ever has to fight a country actually capable of fighting back, like Russia or China. Already, in Aghanistan, we’re demonstrating clearly that a military run by Entitlement Princesses can’t occupy even a weak country despite battlefield victories.

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Charles Martel May 28, 2012 at 12:58

My son just got his too. It’s a true teachable moment. When I pointed out to him that women get the vote for free while he has to sign a document agreeing to let the gubmint maim or kill him by a method of its choice before he can vote, his jaw dropped. Welcome to life as a second class citizen.

Like you I was airborne, I volunteered and attended the UK’s equivalent of West Point. If I thought my son was going to be drafted into Israel’s unconstitutional proxy wars I’d do everything in my power to keep him out of harm’s way.

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MRA May 28, 2012 at 13:31

Require Women to Register for the Draft?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTbQXGfKilM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QHM41jKJpk

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W.F. Price May 28, 2012 at 13:38

My son just got his too. It’s a true teachable moment. When I pointed out to him that women get the vote for free while he has to sign a document agreeing to let the gubmint maim or kill him by a method of its choice before he can vote, his jaw dropped. Welcome to life as a second class citizen.

-Charles Martel

One little-known fact is that selective service is also used to create a registry for future child support obligors.

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 13:45

Price;
Wow—I didn’t know that, but it would certainly explain why they don’t require female registration.

Actually registration isn’t even necessary for a draft. During the Civil War, they sent draft notices based on census information.

If I had my way, they’d kick women out of the military altogether.

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Joe May 28, 2012 at 13:52

Considering what’s going on these days in the United States, young men are better off at home so they can help protect their families in case of possible massive civil unrest. There’s a possibility this will come to pass, between the recent racheting up of racial tension and/or if the economy collapses.
Uncle Sam’s wars aren’t about protecting us,anyway. The wars serve the interests of Israel, first and foremost. To a lesser degree, the interests of the big banks and the large corporations.
That’s about it. The wars have nothing to do with protecting us.
While we get strip searched like criminals at the airports, even infants and the elderly, supposedly for our protection, we still have an open border with Mexico and massive immigration. Great security.
No one in authority is even bothering to figure out who’s coming here and why. Also, anyone from anywhere in the world can come here on a tourist visa, and just stay. No one monitors that either.
There’s a huge underground black market trade in weaponry and ammunition here in the US and not one official in authority, on any level of government, will even mention that, let alone make efforts to put an end to it, or at least make efforts to put a dent in it.
We are living under an enemy government who has sold us down the river. There’s no point to give one’s life to support one’s enemy.

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Annonymous May 28, 2012 at 14:14

Oh…

So knowing what you know about just how much this State cares for him and his fellows, you still made the poor sucker out to be some kind of a man for his selective selection ?

Responsibility ? Manhood ?

We men are so conservative and loyal even as drones, dupes and pawns to a system that deliberately injures and humiliates us.

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Art Vandelay May 28, 2012 at 14:17

I got lucky I didn’t get drafted, 50/50 chance. I did however got to the physical they do to check if you are capable of serving, and to my surprise they did pass me even though I faked bad eyesight and hearing. The guy later told me it’s because I had “valuable skills” as I was in vocational training in IT… Now they finally suspended the draft in Germany.

Personally I think the German military is a joke. Also I have no interest in getting my ass blown to bits to fight some illiterate goat fondler overseas because he’s supposedly a threat to my freedom while the assholes in charge over here happily chip away at my freedom and steal my money while they are it.

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Rmaxd May 28, 2012 at 14:47

@Charles Martel

What country is this in? The U.S?

lol you guys cant vote, unless you sign up for a draft? …

How many mangina’s did it take to come up with that one …

Over here in the U.K, the local council puts fake legal notices, you’ll goto jail, if you dont sign any paperwork they send you … to scare ppl into signing their census forms etc …

The local councils more scared of binmen going on strike, then they are of men being given the vote …

I very rarely see black or minorities, as binmen … theyre all white …

White men striking seem to scare the crap out of local councils, here in the U.K

Precisely because there are hardly any working class, skilled minorities

When white working class, skilled workers go on strike here, they wreak havoc …

All the minorities over here in Britain, are either doing unskilled work, ie cleaning toilets, driving cabs, or middle class …

The lowest pay, here in the U.K are the asian run sweatshops, by Indians, as they exploit other immigrant indians as they come into the country

Thanks to the lack of skilled workers, you can actually earn a living, ie an electrician, as a working class skilled worker …

Speaks volumes about the disposability of men in the U.S in contrast …

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some dude May 28, 2012 at 15:28

Having put some few years in the infantry, I used to recomend it. No more. A friend of mine at work did the full twenty years and retired a couple years ago. The military is no place for a heterosexual man any longer.

I did start telling young chicks how great it is though. I don’t support any of our wars but as long as we’re going to have them why not let the girls fight them?

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Rmaxd May 28, 2012 at 16:07

Btw anyone notice, the pictures in Elmers post ?

All the large, noticable pictures are of women … The first is a skinhead female, shaved to look like GI Jane … the last a picture of a lesbian about to impregnate her GF with IVF …

Of course theyre advertising for lesbians to join the military, plenty of free sperm donors there …

The funniest picture is the black male, looking nervously at the camera …

He’s probably more nervous about being screwed over by the lesbians for child support, then he is of getting his butt blown off for bulldozing palestenians for Israel, or patrolling poppy fields & getting high off second hand heroine …

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Art Vandelay May 28, 2012 at 17:17

Btw anyone notice, the pictures in Elmers post ?

Immediately, was thinking about them not being diverse enough. What, no black disabled female lesbian jew?

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 17:37

Rmaxd:
So you live in the UK and didn’t know about draft regristration here?

That’s odd: on the last thread you were lecturing us all about not listening to Fox News and discoursing to us on the 1st and 14th Amendments.

Did you expat recently or is there a British troll also posting under your name?

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Art Vandelay May 28, 2012 at 17:40

Well Eric, would you like me to set up a separate page for you so you can trade insults with rmaxd? Vote it down or ignore it…

Can we get an ignore function here? And with a twist please, the admin can make two people ignore each other.

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Art Vandelay May 28, 2012 at 17:43

And well, immediately after posting I noticed the irony of what I just wrote. Just forget about it.

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 17:52

I wondering if there shouldn’t be a second Memorial Day to commemorate fallen MRA-warriors.

This afternoon, I went to a used bookstore and was looking over an interesting, but really technichal book. I saw a father with his son looking at some military books. The father and son were talking about the differences in weapons and uniforms our military had during WW1 and WW2. Anyway, the son wanted to buy the book. But out of nowhere an obese, mean-faced female fell onto the scene like a fat hailstone.

‘I have told you!’ she screamed, ‘I don’t want anything about guns and wars in MY house!’ Then she launched into a tirade about they were wasting her time; how she had things to do, blub, blub, blub, blub—you get the idea.

‘Yes, dear’.

I went ahead and bought the book I was considering; figuring I’d need some intensive mental reinforcement after that. Then, at the cash register, I had to stand in line behind a smelly, feral-looking street bum who was counting pennies and nickles to pay for some soft-core porn that was on sale. He was flirting with the salesgirl, too, who looked like she was about to drop her panties for him on the spot. Of course, when it was my turn, Ms.Princess had resumed her frostiness that Seattle women so notoriously display for any male other than bums.

Outside, I walked past the same bum about two blocks away, and saw him pulling a piece of rock cocaine out of his pocket and another scum paying for it, all in plain sight.

LOL, I need to expat soon!

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 17:55

Art,
LOL, I appreciate the sentiment. But so far, I think I’m the only one trading insults with Rmaxd; he seems to be doing it to everyone else indiscriminately.

But I try to put the interests of the MRM first; so if other commenters prefer that I stop…so be it!

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Anonymous age 70 May 28, 2012 at 19:01

I apologize for repeating this. But sometimes I just gotta’ do it. This is one of those times.

My favorite part in the history books is where the Huns come in; kill all the spineless, wimpy men who let women take over, and rape all the obnoxious, domineering women. That is so cool! I get all goose-bumpy just thinking about it.

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 19:19

Anon@70;
The Persians and Parthians did the same thing. Their chieftains are said to have seen those conquered domineering-type women as ‘high-spirited’ and desirable. Their favorite past-time after a hard days’ battling was turning women like that into obedient, pliant harem-girls. Ironically, the biggest bitches were the biggest prizes, but the other chiefs always respected the chief who tamed her into a good wife.

And who are we to call them barbarians?—LOL

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Neil May 28, 2012 at 19:19

Sonny: What do ya think of the nerve of them Japs, them slanty-eyed bastards huh, droppin’ bombs on our own backyard on Pop’s birthday here?
Fredo: They didn’t know it was Pop’s birthday…
Tom: We should have expected it after the oil embargo.
Sonny: Whatdya mean, expect it? Expect it or not, they got no right droppin’ bombs. What are you, a Jap-lover or somethin’? Are you on their side?
Tessio: I understand thirty thousand men enlisted this morning.
Sonny: Bunch of saps.
Michael: Why are they saps?
Connie: Sonny, come on, we don’t have to talk about the war.
Sonny: (To Connie) Hey, beep, you talk to Carlo, right? (To Michael) They’re saps because they risk their lives for strangers.
Michael: Oh, that’s Pop talking.
Sonny: You’re god-damn right that’s Pop talking.
Michael: They risk, risk their lives for their country.
Sonny: Country ain’t your blood, you remember that.
Michael: I don’t feel that way…
Sonny: Well, if you don’t feel like that, why don’t you just quit college and go to join the Army?
Michael: I did. I enlisted in the Marines.
Tom: Why’d you do that? Why didn’t you come to us?..I mean, Pop had to pull a lot of strings to get you a deferment.
Michael: I didn’t ask for it. I didn’t ask for a deferment. I didn’t want it.
Tom: You’ve got to understand. Your father has plans for you. On many times, he and I have talked about your future.
Michael: You talked to my father about my future? (Tom nods.) My future?
Tom: Mikey, he has high hopes for you.
Michael: Well, I have my own plans for my future.
Sonny: Did ya go to college to get stupid? You’re really stupid.

Any man who still believes in bullshit like “ask not what your country…” crap deserves to be cannon fodder. If you went into the military for pay, okay.

But any country that makes cuckolding not only legal but even penalizes the victim ain’t worth defending if you ask me. If the barbarian hordes come I would join them and make an example out of the manginas who run the courts, make the laws etc.

Btw there are no protections for military men as far as marriage & divorce go, they have it worse than civilians. Cupcake can fuck around, get knocked up & make you pay CS for a kid that ain’t even yours and take half your shit in a divorce plus alimony. Yep that’s your country’s reward for you getting shot at & shooting at Abdul the goatherd living in a mud hut.

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Geography Bee Finalist himself May 28, 2012 at 19:21

My sister actually had the nerve to refer to Selective Disservice as an “artifact.” Right. Her own male cousins younger than eighteen will likely have to register in the near future. Calling selective disservice an artifact is a huge middle finger to large numbers of homeless men.

I’m still refusing to attend that cunt’s wedding on August 4, 2012. Some young male Americans will be registering that day.

Notice how cunts always get mad when their significant others forget their respective birthdays, which is likely to determine how males will be chosen for the draft in the future. Too bad Uncle Sam does not molest his nieces using the draft, so that men never again have to listen to a cunt whine about how her birthday was forgotten.

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W.F. Price May 28, 2012 at 19:32

My favorite part in the history books is where the Huns come in; kill all the spineless, wimpy men who let women take over, and rape all the obnoxious, domineering women. That is so cool! I get all goose-bumpy just thinking about it.

-Anonymous age 70

Well, one of the characteristics of the Huns (and others like them), is that they often relied on armies made up of disaffected males from other polities. Both Napoleon and Hitler also took advantage of this (Napoleon had more success, because he relied on French revolutionary ideals of egalité, fraternité, liberté, whereas the Nazi German supremacy thing didn’t sell all that well to non-Germans).

The easiest way to conquer another society is to have their men either lay down their arms or change sides. The Hunnic army was full of Germans, Swedes, Eastern Europeans, etc. Atli (Attila) is still a common name in parts of Scandinavia. However, do keep in mind that according to the legend Attila’s Gothic wife Gudrun tricked him into eating his own children and then did a murder-suicide by arson. So, the lesson is that helping oneself to women of conquered lands doesn’t always turn out so well.

Whatever the case, when you oppress your native men, you open the door to conquest/rebellion. This still happens today, as we have seen over the last year with the ongoing Arab Spring revolts.

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Justinian May 28, 2012 at 19:34

Btw there are no protections for military men as far as marriage & divorce go, they have it worse than civilians.

Its not just that, as the number of women increase in the military you can be assured that they will increasingly take all the plumb positions. Meanwhile the men will be stuck with the nastiest and most dangerous assignments. This will create a downward spiral effect where men desert the military and the few remaining will get shit on even harder by upper brass desperate for men to do the grunt work.

I think the aftermath of 9/11 was the last time you’ll ever see the kind of patriotism and willingness to self-sacrifice that we saw in those days. The whole volunteer system may collapse in short order.

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Justinian May 28, 2012 at 19:37
jimbo May 28, 2012 at 19:41

It’s a sad day, but, I wouldn’t want my sons defending this country. Why? Because it has become their enemy. In traitorous fashion, it has opened “our?” boarders to colonizing invaders that could care less about the future interests of my sons. It has encouraged our women to be traitorous as well. Who is most likely to be the biggest enemy of my sons in their lives? Their knowitall psycho delusional wives! (If they even decide to risk marriage.) The country is terminally ill and the lesson to be learned and told is this is what happens when a nations men decide to share authority with women Death by insanity.

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 19:56

Price:
‘This still happens today with what we have seen during the last year with the Arab Spring revolts.’

Although, we’ve also seen from Afghanistan and Iraq that the same feminised, oppressed males from over here tried to substitute our male oppression for theirs. I don’t think either government that the Bushmen installed is going to survive the departure of US troops very long. The Obamanogs’ meddling in Egypt and Libya have laid a train that’s going blow up under our feet there as well.

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Nemo May 28, 2012 at 20:16

One of the most interesting facts about the fall of the Roman Empire is that most people *welcomed* the rule of Germanic barbarians rather than Roman officials.

The Germans taxed less, had many fewer officials, and enforced fewer laws.

By the end of the Empire, the average “citizen” of Rome was treated like a serf. Indeed, some historians think that the origins of medieval serfdom were simply the continuation of the customs of Roman oppression under local rulers rather than imperial officials.

Imagine that the USA collapsed, but the state governments simply raised their taxes to be as high as the federal taxes were and kept all of the oppressive laws and rules. “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Won%27t-Get-Fooled-Again-lyrics-The-Who/761EF79AAB42FA9C48256977002E72F9

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freebird May 28, 2012 at 20:44

Women have always bore the brunt of war,being disproportionately affected by the loss of their host,er man.
Deny them sperm and wallet.
Considering there are no jobs outside of of military or the prison industry,I am at a loss for recommendations for young men.

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B May 28, 2012 at 20:49

After spending 10 years in the Marine Corps ( enlisted and Officer) I have very mixed views on military service, and its place in American culture. If I had a son or daughter, I would only recommend they join after they completed college and go in as an Officer, and only apply under a contract that guarantee’s what MOS you will be doing. For example, I made sure that my Officer contract was for guaranteed student naval aviator. I understand that most branches of the military do not have such options, and if they did they could renig on them and there is not much you could do about it.
After being former enlisted infantry, even though the training and lifestyle can be fun I would not recommend it as a four year investment of time. You are far better off in an MOS that can give you a tangible skill ( ie computer repair technician) that will keep you out of foxholes all night.

There is nothing wrong with military service, and I believe it made me a better person. But I believe the United States should be be aiming for a smaller, more condensed and less expensive force whose sole purpose is defense. The cost of maintaining a huge force scattered across the globe, and eager to pick unnecessary fights will destroy us.

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Lord Valtrex May 28, 2012 at 21:00

Feminism is pushed, as a social architecture, for one simple reason. There has NEVER been a successful rebellion carried out, in recorded history, where the men are undermined by their own women and children.

Feminism, as a political tool, leads women (and children) to viciously turn on men. Men are shocked, bewildered, and demoralized.

The ever tightening grip of the State can proceed apace, without interruption nor risk of revolt.

P.S.
Afghanistan is, correctly, referred to as the Graveyard of Empires. As the British, Russians, and Americans have found out, Afghan men are too independent and rebellious to subdue. Hence, the reason for wanting to “educate” Afghan women. Education will deliver the feminist payload into the minds of Afghan women. The Afghan women will turn on their Afghan men. Resistance collapses as the society implodes.

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evilwhitemalempire May 28, 2012 at 21:02

Anonymous age 70 May 28, 2012 at 19:01
My favorite part in the history books is where the Huns come in; kill all the spineless, wimpy men who let women take over, and rape all the obnoxious, domineering women. That is so cool! I get all goose-bumpy just thinking about it.
**************

then this guy’s right up your alley

http://seanmaccloud.blogspot.com/search/label/3%20Matriarchy%20of%20the%20Past%20canard

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Lord Valtrex May 28, 2012 at 21:03

“The easiest way to conquer another society is to have their men either lay down their arms or change sides. “

The surest way to conquer another society is to have the women turn on the men.

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evilwhitemalempire May 28, 2012 at 21:16

I did start telling young chicks how great it is though. I don’t support any of our wars but as long as we’re going to have them why not let the girls fight them?

***********
but they WON’T fight and die!

they’ll get men to take bullets for them!

and then they’ll come out of the foxhole when it’s safe, place their feet on enemy dead and flex muscles for the camera

men have got to get this clueless “they’ll get blown up in wars while we stay in bed and eat bon-bons” idea out of your head that is a staple of blue-pillism

in this case hollywood and it’s ass kicking females schlock

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 21:23

Valtrex:
That’s true, but the follow-up is the fall of that society after the takeover. As Machiavelli pointed out about the fall of Rome, the tendency of men in such a culture is to opt out of participating in its survival. When the men are disenfranchised, the culture turns to mercenaries to uphold it and they, in turn, sense its weakness and take it for themselves.

Currently, I think both American and Islamic cultures are in decline, and what’s led to the clsh between them. But becuase their’s is a more masculine culture and ours is completely feminised—and because ours is trying to impose its dysfunctional culture on theirs—they have a greater impetus to pull themselves out of their decline and unite against ours.

I don’t think they are strong enough to take over the US, but I’m willing to bet that easily within the next decade, the Americans will be run out of the Middle East completely—all the way from Morocco to Pakistan.

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Art Vandelay May 28, 2012 at 21:29

Michelle Obama sponsors Navy’s first submarine with all-female crew

Just imagine if they all sync on their cycle. This sounds like they are trying to make an accurate representation of hell on earth.

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Justinian May 28, 2012 at 21:43

Education will deliver the feminist payload into the minds of Afghan women. The Afghan women will turn on their Afghan men. Resistance collapses as the society implodes.

Whatever.

There isn’t enough wealth in Afgany for it to take hold.

Life is brutal over there and women can’t hack it without a man. Aint no government to steal what the man produces either.

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Justinian May 28, 2012 at 22:07

OT

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ROLF ROLF ROLF

Rules for New Husband Mark Zuckerberg to Live By

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Art Vandelay May 28, 2012 at 22:08

LOL, I appreciate the sentiment. But so far, I think I’m the only one trading insults with Rmaxd; he seems to be doing it to everyone else indiscriminately.

So what’s the point in arguing with him?

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evilwhitemalempire May 28, 2012 at 22:19

Life is brutal over there and women can’t hack it without a man.

******
i like how females don’t become big, strong and independent until they live in a world (developed nation) where they don’t need to be

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 22:29

Justinian & Art:
I just read the submarine article. I think there has to be some psychological quirk in socon white-knights and liberal manginas in general, some kind of uncontrollable masochistic spasm that comes out whenever they’re around females. They can’t be stupid enough to believe that all-female submarines, female Rangers, &c. is anything but a suicidal defense policy.

It must be that they have some deep-seated self-hatred of themselves for being males that brings on both their own self-punishment and causes them to do things like this, that will ultimately punish all other American males.

It’s like Futrelle—he can’t possibly believe that women actually think of him as anything other than just another male pig; yet he defends them at every turn, only to get kicked in the crotch for his trouble.

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Art Vandelay May 28, 2012 at 22:33

It’s like Futrelle—he can’t possibly believe that women actually think of him as anything other than just another male pig; yet he defends them at every turn, only to get kicked in the crotch for his trouble.

What I wonder about, if a woman sees a male feminists does she think “oh great, here is a guy who thinks he is a better feminist than a woman”. Now I know I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed but this must have been covered a dozen times?

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 22:50

Art;
I think that’s exactly what most women think of guys like Futrelle; or; ‘he’s just trying to play nice to us to get laid.’

Guys like Futrelle, Fleming, Scalzi &c. either have to be masochists or in very deep psychological denial. Look at chumps like Justin Bieber: ‘the hottest man in America’! LOL. Is there ever a single white-knight on those kinds of ‘Top Ten’ lists? No, it’s always thuggish bad-boys and metrosexuals like Bieber who look and act like pimps.

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walking in hell May 28, 2012 at 22:55

Yes, young men join the military. Put your physical health on the line fighting to protect a country where women and men despise you.

Destroy those Muslims that have one of the only law systems that put men in charge and protect your rights as a man.

Come home with PTSD to a wife who wants a divorce. Pay your child support and alimony out of your military pay and pension. Become one of the many military veterans who are homeless because they were put under such massive stress and dumped by their wives and countries.

True story:
I met a young Army guy in his twenties. He came back from combat to a pregnant wife. His wife had the child and he joyfully took care of this child for 8 months. Then he found out the child was NOT his!

He went to court over the matter. The judge let him out of child support, but still made him pay alimony to this woman. This poor young man hated women. When I tried to tell him that he could get a better woman in a different country, he did not believe me.

The only thing he talked about was getting back to combat in Afghanistan. He hated women and life in America so much, that he just wanted to go back to combat in Afghanistan.

What kind of world do we American men live in? We have nothing to look forward to. No economic security; no family life security; nothing. How could things get this bad.

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Art Vandelay May 28, 2012 at 23:08

I think that’s exactly what most women think of guys like Futrelle; or; ‘he’s just trying to play nice to us to get laid.’

Ironically, that’s just what he says of “nice guys”, that they are just faking being a “nice” man to get laid. I think if that’s true, what does it say about women? Of course you’d like a nice guy, but I think even a bastard pretending to be a nice guy would be preferable to a bastard being the asshole he asshole he always was. But what do I know.

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Raj May 28, 2012 at 23:14

walking in hell “What kind of world do we American men live in? We have nothing to look forward to. No economic security; no family life security; nothing. How could things get this bad.”

Hedonism.

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evilwhitemalempire May 28, 2012 at 23:21

Ironically, that’s just what he says of “nice guys”, that they are just faking being a “nice” man to get laid.

************
not irony

projection to conceal that that is actually HIS intentions

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 23:23

Art;
It could be with statements like that, that Futrelle is trying to triangulate; i.e. telling women not to trust ‘nice guys’ but trust him instead because ‘he’s different.’ It doesn’t work, though, because feminists hate all men, different or otherwise.

We were having on another blog where some MRM blog-owners were describing the ways Futrelle and his guys sabotage them. Think how much effort must go into those attempts. And for what? Futrelle and his boys are fighting for the grrrls; meanwhile, while they’re wasting their time, the grrrls ae getting it on with some gang-banger and laughing in their sleeves.

It’s like the Army Rangers’ story. What are these Defence Department manginas thinking? First, they lower standards for Ranger training; then the grrrls get a beret; charge harassment against real Rangers and jump into bed with bums when they’re off-duty. That’s supposed to make the Rangers ready to fight the Russian Specnaz in the future?

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migu May 28, 2012 at 23:53

Here we go again. Afghanistan has the worlds largest deposit of rare earth elements.

No wealth in Afghanistan ha! You forgot about the poppy fields too. Most valuable flowers on the planet.

I wonder what else we can conjure up. I got it. Cash trees in Africa bomb them!!!

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Brian May 29, 2012 at 01:18

“Imagine that the USA collapsed, but the state governments simply raised their taxes to be as high as the federal taxes were and kept all of the oppressive laws and rules.”

-Nemo

We’ve already seen what can happen from Shay’s Rebellion. Indebted farmers were losing their property to creditors and being put into debtors prison. A man named Daniel Shays organized armed men and forced the courts to halt proceedings. He nearly succeeded in securing the Springfield Armory, but as luck would have it, the defending (privately raised) militiamen intercepted a critical message to execute Shays’ attack and were able to stop Shays. Had Shays secured those weapons, his rebellion probably would have been unstoppable and could have secured the entire state.

If the U.S. somehow collapses, I’d wager government forces would not stop armed civilian groups given today’s proliferation of weapons and survival equipment available in the civilian market.

“I don’t think they [hostile Islamists] are strong enough to take over the US,…”

-Eric

I don’t think Islamists who want to destroy America can win with bombs or bullets, but they can if they afflict enough Americans with poisonous ideas (although at this point they may as well just sit back and watch the American public do the job for them). Just take a look at the U.K. Their government keeps caving in more and more to Muslim demands and complaints. It has gotten so bad that the BBC even published this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11799713. I sincerely hope the Brits will stop all the tosh in their land before they lose all sense of who they even are.

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Ted May 29, 2012 at 01:30

Cindy May 29, 2012 at 01:05

“Yup. The Spearhead loves rape.”

Nah. Too much trouble.

” If only you could rape women over the Internet.”

What sort of sentiment is this, Cindy? You longing for some kind of app?

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Rmaxd May 29, 2012 at 01:55

So … are there any groups protesting men dont get to vote in the U.S unless they sign up for a draft?

Basically theyve repealed & taken away voting for men … & the guys dont organise & make this a national outrage?

What the hell is going on, when men dont even get outraged over having the vote taken away from them … ?

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Robert K May 29, 2012 at 02:48

Eric – “If I had my way, they’d kick women out of the military altogether.”

Couldn’t agree more. Its about time the armed services got serious about what they are funded to do and only let in people who can do the job (ie men).

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dannyfrom504 May 29, 2012 at 02:58

I’m active duty HM1(SW) in the US Navy. I retire in 2014 and it can’t get here soon enough. This is NOT the same organization I joined 18 years ago. It’s so polically correct and the kids joining make me question our future. “Why do I have to swab the deck HM1?” I’d have been starngled had I spoken those words to someone that out-ranked me and/or was my supervisor. When I went to boot-camp, it was all male. And we got beaten.

90% of the guys I know (Officer and Enlisted) agree with me and talk about how horrible the new kids are now. When i graduated boot-camp, I was proud of myself. It was tough and I felt like I had accomplished something. Navy boot-camp is a JOKE now.

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Ode May 29, 2012 at 03:20

Warning not PC but it’s the truth
Why should a white man today join the armed forces of the USA for what reason? What is there to fight for to preserve and protect?

1 So his children can be sent to a school district overrun by Hispanic illegals.
2 So he can compete with Asian Indians on H1B visas for white collar jobs.
3 So his job can get outsourced to China.
4 So his children can be discriminated against when it comes to college admissions thanks to affirmative action.

I say no thank you.
BTW I don’t have anything against non-whites, I can’t blame them for exploiting an opportunity that presents itself, I would too if I were in their shoes. It’s the US government I have issues with.

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walking in hell May 29, 2012 at 04:14

“I don’t think Islamists who want to destroy America can win with bombs or bullets, but they can if they afflict enough Americans with poisonous ideas (although at this point they may as well just sit back and watch the American public do the job for them).”

Maybe Islamist are not perfect, but I see their system as the best hope for men.

Certainly democracy has completely failed us men. The other alternative, armed rebellion, died in 1776–American men are simply too beaten down and afraid of their own government to do anything this radical.

In the UK, the Muslims are implementing Sharia law in parallel with with British law. The British legal system are scared. What I foresee is that in order to avoid a confrontation, the British legal system will try to imitate aspects of Sharia.

Like currency competition, competitive legal systems can be a good thing; especially if the new competitor is so friendly to men.

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Andie May 29, 2012 at 04:34

I thought this study from the National Academy of Sciences was pretty interesting. Registering for the draft is a way to reinforce a man’s ultimate obligation (socially constructed, I know), but in a climate where women are not required and point blank REFUSE to meet their own obligation (faithfulness), why do we still have a draft? Why is only one side of the equation being reinforced?

If it came to war, why not line up all the women and only those who have a man who can attest to the fact that they are faithful family-builders will be exempt from the draft? And hell, the men building those families should be exempt as well.

Time for some slut-walking cannon-fodder! Take your condoms and hit the trenches, ladies. God knows, enough men have gone before you. Time for a little equality.

****

Family Values

Faithful females who choose good providers key to evolutionary shift to modern family, study finds

In early human evolution, when faithful females began to choose good providers as mates, pair-bonding replaced promiscuity, laying the foundation for the emergence of the institution of the modern family, a new study finds.

The study helps answer long-standing questions in evolutionary biology about how the modern family, characterized by intense, social attachments with exclusive mates, emerged following earlier times of promiscuity. In addition to the establishment of stable, long-lasting relationships, the transition to pair-bonding was also characterized by a reduction in male-to-male competition in favor of providing for females and providing close parental involvement.

The study demonstrates mathematically that the most commonly proposed theories for the transition to human pair-bonding are not biologically feasible. However, the study advances a new model showing that the transition to pair-bonding can occur when female choice and faithfulness, among other factors, are included. The result is an increased emphasis on provisioning females over male competition for mating.

The effect is most pronounced in low-ranked males who have a low chance of winning a mate in competition with a high-ranked male. Thus, the low-ranked male attempts to buy mating by providing for the female, which in turn is then reinforced by females who show preference for the low-ranked, “provisioning” male, according to author Sergey Gavrilets, associate director for scientific activities at the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis and a professor at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville.

“Once females begin to show preference for being provisioned, the low-ranked males’ investment in female provisioning over male-to-male competition pays-off,” Gavrilets explained.

Gavrilets says that the study’s results describe a “sexual revolution” initiated by low-ranking males who began providing in order to get matings. “Once the process was underway, it led to a kind of self-domestication, resulting in a group-living species of provisioning males and faithful females,” he said.

The study reveals that female choice played a crucial role in human evolution and that future studies should include between-individual variation to help explain social dilemmas and behaviors, according to Gavrilets.

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MRA May 29, 2012 at 05:36

@Rmaxd May 28, 2012 at 16:07

The ARMY gives women boobjob for joining the ARMY, it will come a time when they are given Jimmy Choo’s and Louis Viuton for entering in college.

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freebird May 29, 2012 at 06:22

I never did understand why the armed forces would pay for tit enlargement,they should be paying for tit reductions so they can run faster.
(you would think)
Also this whole business of women getting knocked up (by majority)
when faced with combat show how innately cowardly/traitorous they are,and that demoralizes the men around them.

Shooting themselves in the foot!
Pretty dumb for professional shooters.
On the surface it appears the PTB are pushing for anarchy on all fronts.

I just hope someone considers the source of these troubles,and instead of in-fighting or demographic fighting-

Go After Them In Their Ivory Towers!

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Tom Smith May 29, 2012 at 06:36

Mr. Price:
In addition to providing a list for the child support registry, a man who fails to register for selective service is ineligible for most types of government subsidized grants and loans for college. With regard to loans, this probably doesn’t matter much as the rate is going up so high.

If you don’t register, you don’t get grant money for school- in spite of your parents being tax paying citizens.

I generally feel that given the emphasis on “equality,” women should be required to register for selective service too. And if there is another “war,” there should be no student exemptions. This way, the country will have a real debate on the merits of going to war. This is because when everyone’s children has the potential of going, the U.S. will be less likely to get involved in conflicts like Afganistan.

In Afganistan, the fight seems to be over the access to rare earths (China currently has a rather exclusive supply), rather than a “global war on terror” as the U.S. government would have you believe.

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Towgunner May 29, 2012 at 06:37

As a former military man myself, I highly discourage men from joining today. You have to ask some very difficult questions today vs. before. Perhaps the biggest is what and who are you exactly defending? Off the top of my head, the “what” is 1. The petro-dollar and by extension the dollar as the global reserve currency 2. Oil/resources…and what do those two components do? Enable reckless consumption of useless items so certain people can eat pray and love in excess. Oh, and these people of excess aren’t the slobs in walmart per se, they’re the privileged elite who look at military men as inferior. Who are you fighting for? Definitely an entrenched parasitic elite group of people that our lovely caste system continues to churn-out. At the top rung are banksters, beneath that level are all the toadies. People of real quality like elizabeth warren of massachusetts…a haar vard laaaw grad…who got admitted because 1. she’s women and 2. she is, apparently, 1/32nd Native American. Who else?…well, look around who’s being promoted by our gov’t (remember the government writes your check in the military e.g. who you fight for). Obviously women (demonstrably proven to be thankless for everything never mind a lowly dead soldier) and gays (increasingly just lesbians). Now, today women are the privileged class and men are oppressed, so, why defend that system?
Frankly the best thing to do with young boys is to send them to vo-tech. That’s right, vo-tech grads are the emerging new middle class. In terms of military-type training, get them involved in MMA and/or send them to places like Frontsight to learn basic weapons handling and self-defense. Like everything the private sector outperforms the public, this absolutely applies to the military…note the usage of “contractors” to fight our wars today. FYI, MMA training far exceeds the nice little Marine-fu they’re teaching today. And, yes, Marine-fu is because women are extremely poor at fighting, so, they made it easier.
Some words on values…in the past you died or were horribly injured for an honorable society, albeit with some issues, but mostly it was for mom and apple pie. Today, forget all that. You’ll defend a “value” system that says its “moral” to have everyone bear the burden of paying for the sexual exploits of women…that F’ing go to places like georgetown. So, I’ll ask all of you, is it worth dying in some far-off land or being injured so you’re either a melted burn victim or attached to a bed for the rest of your life just so a coed who was never for want of anything can “realize her full potential”, which means living a pampered life, oh, and who will never give you the time of day?
If you even have the slightest inkling of “no” then keep all your close friends, family etc away from the military.
MRA activism idea: We should start a male-only strike against the military. F-em.

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Uncle Elmer May 29, 2012 at 07:18

Price : “The easiest way to conquer another society is to have their men either lay down their arms or change sides.”

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When we show up to wage war against the Chinese, they will simply tell us to hand over all our marvelous equipment, per the loan agreement which we signed. It’ll be less like “Rambo” and more like a “Repo” reality show.

B: “The cost of maintaining a huge force scattered across the globe, and eager to pick unnecessary fights will destroy us.”

———————

We have 3 militaries, 1 active, 2 retired. The cost of retirement pay and benefits exceeds the payroll for active duty personnel. That’s what the women want to get in on, not some chance to serve in combat. It’s all about “careers”.

JeremiahMRA May 29, 2012 at 08:18

He’s not a man when he’s forced into selective service. He’s a man when he refuses the draft rather than fight for an evil empire.

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Migu May 29, 2012 at 08:40

Danny, get your damn picture off the spearhead. 2 years. I waited until release from IIR. Don’t lose everything.

SSG, Migu US Army

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Rmaxd May 29, 2012 at 08:40

@Ode

No need for apologising for not being PC … PC is a term designed to prevent political dissent & protests, by labelling everyone who disagrees as hatespeech, or rapists or paedophiles or nazis…

Its specifically used to prevent manginas & idiotic women from protesting & label everyone who disagrees as a racist rapist …

Of course the only real rapists are the government, using PC to rape our ability to objectively & politically dissent against being socially engineered against our better judgement & common sense …

I’d rather be labelled a sexist, woman hating, nazi asshole, then a anti-gamer, anti-conspiracist mainstream worshipping prick …

Your mileage may vary in the asshole stakes, stick to your guns & keep your masculinity intact & have a zero tolerance approach to women & society, & you’ll go far …

You too can stop rape, by becoming a liberal & feminist hated asshole … lol

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keyster May 29, 2012 at 08:47

This “Remembering the brave men AND WOMEN who died for our country” theme in Memorial Day rhetoric has gotten tedious for politicians and pundits.

I noticed in an interview with John McCain about it, as he was walking by the Vietnam Memorial, he made it a point to say “these brave soldiers” twice. Knowing full well that all of 6 women perished in Vietnam, and they were army nurses, out of over 54,ooo men.

In any other interview he’s careful to say “men AND WOMEN”, especially if it’s about Iraq and Afganistan, where several hundred women have died, most of whom were actual soldiers, out of over 4,000 men.

Now that the nu battlefield is nothing more than urban skirmishes and precision strikes, everybody seems comfortable with women in combat roles (that aren’t too mission critical). Funny you never see Feminists celebrating the “Heroic Female Warriors” of our military. To them women like Sandra Fluke are the only truly brave and heroic women.

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td9red May 29, 2012 at 08:57

If the goal is absolute equality than women should be forced to register with selective service just as men have to register.

If the goal is to win wars/combat initiatives with as little loss of life on our side as possible, than women should not be required to register with selective service and should be prohibited from voluntary service in the military unless they meet the same minimum height, weight, strength, agility standards that men must meet. I suspect very few women would be able to meet these standards. Also, I would be agreeable to permitting women to serve in military rolls that are not aided by strengh, agility, etc. as long as our military strength is not harmed by having women perform these roles.

Or, possibly women should be required to register with selective service, but, women would be put in roles that are not aided by strength, agility, etc.

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Charles Martel May 29, 2012 at 10:02

Andie
I thought this study from the National Academy of Sciences was pretty interesting……..Faithful females who choose good providers key to evolutionary shift to modern family, study finds.

That study is not quite what it seems. The article at Phys.Org is poor. The study itself is probably only a mathematical simulation using a recursive algorithm developed from some variant of game theory. No, not game, game theory.

So “faithful females” is not a moral judgement, it’s a label for an element of the mathematical model with certain characteristics.

The ugly truth is we’re gene machines and we already know the reproductively optimum mix of loyalty versus treachery for both sexes. It’s the behavior we see every day. Three billion years of evolution doesn’t lie.

If you’re female you’ll obtain the highest value combination of resources and sperm by any means available. There’s more than one stable solution to this value function but the different solutions are dependent on the value of your mate.

If you’re male and your basic instinct is loyalty to your mate then you’re genetic cannon fodder and there’s nothing you can do about it. You role has been assigned by the gods of biomechanics. It is to labor all the days of your life to support a small number of offspring that may or may not be yours.

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Towgunner May 29, 2012 at 10:12

@ dannyfrom504:

Hey thanks for your service and for your input. I was in the Marines, I got out largely because of the suffocating social engineering that we were forced to endure.

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Charles Martel May 29, 2012 at 10:18

If you’re female you’ll obtain the highest value combination of resources and sperm by any means available. There’s more than one stable solution to this value function but the different solutions are dependent on the value of your mate.

Apologies for the self-reference.

If you’re female you’ll obtain the highest value combination of resources and sperm by any means available. There’s more than one stable solution to this value function but the different solutions are dependent on the value of your mate and can be grossly distorted by artificially-imposed changes to resource provisioning.

This is what these geniuses should be modelling. What happens to reproductive behavior when resource-provisioning constraints are artificially removed? Well, I”ll save them the trouble of reprogramming their Commodore 64. When resource-provisioning constraints are artificially removed the reproductive value of the “faithful female” strategy falls and new stable solutions emerge. The “single slut” is at the top of the list and “twins” now means two children with the same father.

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keyster May 29, 2012 at 11:36

If the goal is absolute equality than women should be forced to register with selective service just as men have to register.

The “goal” is that neither should have to register, and that selective service be abolished altogether. Duty to serve one’s country should be optional, as it effectively is now. Missapropriation of tax revenue by Government is bad enough, without having to die for it in some war somewhere.

Whenever the USA is directly attacked, forcing men to volunteer never seems to be a problem.

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Towgunner May 29, 2012 at 13:32

RE: MRA Activism idea: male strike on the military.

I’ve been thinking about this for some time. But, it’s now beyond a reasonable doubt that we live in the feminine collective hive-states and not the United States of America. Our republic, Bill of Rights, Constitution all have been severely compromised. All of our once great institutions to include the military have been infiltrated and brought down. We fight wars of aggression and imperialism, just so we can borrow at low interest and maintain the relative value of our worthless and truly oppressive currency. What’s that mean? It means the 4000 deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan and the thousands of injured ARE in vain. And its not for the atypical middle class glutton…its really for the true gluttons the elite class, which includes all the do-gooders such as celebrities who’s 10,000 square foot houses, fleets of cars, netjets subscriptions, lavish parties, drugs etc all at the expense of not just us little people in america but the entire world. We have a military system that insists on taking an oath yet can’t muster the courage to uphold it…from the bottom private to the highest joint chief. And we don’t fight for our own or families personal freedom, as our families have already been rotten down by the same forces that hold us hostage. Yes, I suggest the MRA announce that all men in America should go on strike against the military.

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Ron May 29, 2012 at 14:37

@joe

There was no Israel the last two times your country invaded afghanistan; this time its also for much the same reasons – money, military positioning, and power. Contrary to what you may believe the Israelis have no interests at all with the Pashtun tribesmen. Libya was also not a war fought for Israel as the Libyans were quietly trading gas with us, they were also a stabilizing country in the region, I suspect that war had far more to do with Libyas refusal to allow European oil contracts and their efforts to create an African bank.

Nor do we wish for you to invade Syria as that would again further destabilize the region. Assad is a bastard, but your efforts will inevitably create something much worse.

As for Iraq, that was done for oil, not Israel. Kuwait City and Riyadh probsbly had more to do with that invasion then Jerusalem .

As for Iran, the Israelis would be happy to take care of it ourselves, but you seem obsessed with preventing us from doing so, to the point of actively backstabbing any efforts we make.

However, I am happy you wish to keep your son out of the middle eastern conflicts. I believe this is a problem that would have been resolved long ago had it not been for western meddling.

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W.F. Price May 29, 2012 at 14:41

Nor do we wish for you to invade Syria as that would again further destabilize the region. Assad is a bastard, but your efforts will inevitably create something much worse.

-Ron

Yeah, with Syria we kind of have a “be careful what you wish for” scenario.

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keyster May 29, 2012 at 15:35

As for Iraq, that was done for oil, not Israel.

If that’s true we have yet extract one stinkin’ barrel from their land.

Did you know Iraq only has 2,000 wells drilled?
By contrast, the state Texas as 1,000,000 wells drilled.

If it were about oil, don’t think we’d be getting some of it by now?
Most of it goes to Turkey.

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Ted May 29, 2012 at 17:39

“If that’s true we have yet extract one stinkin’ barrel from their land.”

It would be cheaper for you just to buy the stuff. Fewer casualties, too.

I suspect it’s some Byzantine method of payoffs within the US.

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freebird May 29, 2012 at 18:33

Just as the oil from Alasaka goes to Japan.
Classic artificial scarcity+Military industrial complex.

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Skeptic May 29, 2012 at 18:54

WTF.
Your son got a piece of paper saying he was eligible for death or disability and THEN you acknowledged him as a man.
Talk about a ‘man up’ message.
Woe.

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Highwasp May 29, 2012 at 19:06

“…and can be grossly distorted by artificially-imposed changes to resource provisioning.

(hmmm – artificially-imposed changes to resource provisioning… and the fall of the faithful female.)

This is what these geniuses should be modelling. What happens to reproductive behavior when resource-provisioning constraints are artificially removed? Well, I”ll save them the trouble of reprogramming their Commodore 64. When resource-provisioning constraints are artificially removed the reproductive value of the “faithful female” strategy falls and new stable solutions emerge. The “single slut” is at the top of the list and “twins” now means two children with the same father.”
Q: Charles does your post suggest that provisions are no longer available for men to supply so as to positively distort their value thereby convincing females to be ‘faithful females’? If so, do you or anyone on the-spearhead think the provisions have dwindled due to; women taking jobs from men, or have men simply decided ‘reprogramming the 64′ is more important than single sluts, or have the provisions been naturally depleted and there just aren’t enough to go around… or what?
Who does the dismantling of the ‘faithful woman’ benefit?
By extension how does the absence of faithfulness benefit anyone?
As women have been encouraged and empowered to take the provisioning capabilities (jobs) from men, thereby undermining the incentive for the ‘faithful woman’, the result is loss of responsible and reliable men, then there goes the family, community, cultures, nations… to what end?
I’ll take a couple of guesses… Simple first: Negative attention is better than no attention = useful idiot, and/or Cultural Marxism using the useful idiots to divide and conquer Western culture replacing it with government / military / police rule enabling slave wages for slave labor. Then a little further out; the creation of another disposable male hero slave class volunteering for WW3, or even bigger picture – depopulation /population control imposed by the Powers That Be (PTB) to keep the planet from imploding while they shuttle themselves and their harems to the Dark Side of the Moon…
Just sayin’ if something so basic to successful human interaction such as faithfulness is removed – what is left and who could it possibly benefit?

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Eric May 30, 2012 at 00:05

Keyster:

‘If it were about oil, don’t you think we’d be getting some of it by now?’

I agree, but I tend to think that oil, like humanitarian reasons, is the excuse and not the reason for all this military adventurism in the Middle East. I suspect that their real goal is the suppression of Islam because certain interests see it’s growing influence as a threat to a wider global agenda.

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Eric May 30, 2012 at 00:26

Andie;

‘How about some slut-walking cannon fodder?’

I like what European armies used to do. They’d conscript all the bums, criminals, thugs, and lowlifes and put them in units under some disgraced officer. They were known as the ‘Expendables’ and employed in any task nobody wanted to waste a valuable soldiers’ life on—like clearing minefields and things.

I don’t know if that practice would end things like Slutwalks, but it would greatly reduce the Slutwalkers’ potential audiences.

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Art Vandelay May 30, 2012 at 02:22

How about some slut-walking cannon fodder?

They make to good targets ;)

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Eric May 30, 2012 at 02:40

Art;
If we were actually going to employ Slutwalkers in the military, roadblocks might be a good use. Given their girth, it would take a bulldozer to move two or three of them.

They might also make good substitutes for depth-charges. All that weight dropped from a good altitude could knock out a submarine at considerable depth.

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Joe May 30, 2012 at 08:51

@Ron
The Israelis have a big interest in having the US military in Afghanistan ( and Iraq ) as they both border Iran. The next Usraeli target.
Also, the Mossad uses Afghanistan as a base to run undercover operations in Pakistan. Usrael is concerned the Pakistanis may side with Iran in any possible upcoming assault on Iran. The Pakistanis have nukes. Usrael is trying to undermine the Pakistani government in order to neutralize them.
I know the Israelis have no interest in the Pastuns. No one does. That’s not what it’s about.
It’s about encircling Iran and nuetralizing Pakistan. It’s about eventually destroying Iran. And the Mossad is was involved in undermining Libya , and now doing the same in Syria.
The goal is to cause as much turmoil as possible so Usrael can step in and take over. Just like in Iraq. Another Usrael production.
When the shit hits the fan in the Middle East, that giant wall the Israelis built will turn out to be a giant Maginot wall.
It won’t stop the cruise missiles. I’m not talking about the little bottle rockets the Mossad sets off in Israel to get all the Israelis on the same government page.
Fortunately, there are still some patriotic Americans in the Pentagon who are against going to war with Iran. Obama couldn’t so readily obey Netanhayu because of the great resistance in the US military.
The whole situation is more complicated than just Israel and Israeli undercover actions in the Middle East to destabilize the region for the benefit of Jewish big-shots. But, it is an integral part of the story and needs to be told to get a true understanding of what’s going on there.
The Israelis, and the Jews in America who support the whole war agenda, can play innocent all they want, but it is blatantly obvious that the Israelis and the Jew warmongerers ( and their brain-dead Christian supporters) here in the States, are involved in the destruction of the Middle East up to their yarmulkes.
All the bullshit in the world doesn’t change the facts.
In the meantime, Uncle Sam has sold the USA down the river in every way imaginable. It would be an extremely long post to list the great treason against us.
My concern is for the US and for my people and my heritage and culture.
I wish Israel well. I traveled there 30 years ago. I have no animosity against the average Israeli. The Israelis were very hospitable to me.
Israeli leadership,however, along with the leadership here in the States, both Jewish and Christian leadership, are leading the world to disaster.
If a world war comes to pass, cities both in the US and Israel will know the horrors of war, massive death, and destruction.
You do your people no service by covering up the truth. Quite the opposite, you do your people a great disservice by covering up the truth, and supporting the warmongerers in Israel and here in the States.
The Israeli government and the Israeli Mossad are not innocent angels, and the Israeli government is drooling-at-the-mouth for war against Iran and throughout the whole region.
You’re supporting people that are leading your Israel to destruction.
I ,for one, do not want to see my beloved country, my America, to know the horror of war and destruction.
In the meantime, we here in America are treated like criminals at our airports, while we still have open borders and massive immigration.
Uncle Sam no longer represents the interests of the average American. And there’s no good reason to join his army and lose one’s life, or lose one’s legs or arms, or hearing, or one’s sight, for a government that is treasonous and recalcitrant.

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Craig June 1, 2012 at 08:11

“Yup. The Spearhead loves rape.”

You women are barely worth it when you’re ready, willing, and able.

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Traveler June 16, 2012 at 19:54

I fully support the MRM, and consider myself a beginner MRA, but this entire comment line is borderline asinine. Why the hell are so many on here talking about how “it isn’t fair that women aren’t required to do military service/register for draft”, yet in the same breath say “I’d kick all women out of the military, they’re useless as soldiers”. People, please…make up your damn minds!

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No One July 26, 2012 at 14:46

Lol. I’ve lived in Japan for 7 years because of this horseshit. There’s no draft here and we’re passifists and women DO respect men here. I feel bad for all of you :(

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