What Can Make a Grown Man Cry?

by W.F. Price on May 27, 2012

Thanks to some help from the Innocence Project, Brian Banks just got out of prison after serving over five years for a rape he didn’t commit. Faced with a 46-years-to-life sentence, he pleaded no contest to forcible rape. While he was locked up, his accuser collected a $1.5 million payout from the California Public Schools.

After he had spent a few years in prison, his accuser had the gall to contact him on FaceBook, asking to meet with him. Sensing an opportunity, Banks swallowed his pride and played along, giving Innocence Project activists the opportunity to record her recanting the accusation. Prosecutors, who so vigorously hounded the innocent man, say they will leave the false accuser – a criminal – alone. Bearing false witness used to be considered serious crime, but it seems an exception has been carved out for women who lie about rape.

Before he was locked up, Mr. Banks hoped to become an NFL player, and his chances were pretty good at the time. He’s said he wants to give it another shot, but at 26 years old, he’s middle aged for the NFL. His false conviction may have cost him millions of dollars and a glorious career. In the meanwhile, Wanetta Gibson, the criminal who stole those precious years, walks free.

Imagine a man kidnapped a woman, held her for five years, and managed to extract $1.5 million in the process. Then imagine that after the woman escaped, prosecutors said “the kidnapping happened years ago, so we won’t prosecute.”

There is no moral difference between what Wanetta Gibson did and kidnapping a woman for ransom. Both are vile crimes.

Below is Mr. Banks at the hearing to vacate his conviction. It’s an emotional moment:

Most men freed by the Innocence Project have been falsely accused of rape. More innocent men are imprisoned for rape than any other serious crime. Probably because many women, like Wanetta Gibson, have a free pass to falsely accuse men and then collect money for doing so.

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Anonymous age 70 May 27, 2012 at 12:14

My best friend here in Mexico was for 22 years what we would call “County Medical Examiner.” He did autopsies and also helped investigate certain criminal cases.

I told him at least half of rape charges in the US are false. He said it was about the same in his experience. He said when he interrogated a rape accuser, his goal was to send real rapists to prison, and to free falsely accused men.

He said he asked hard questions, which are not allowed in the US. Why were you in his apartment at 2 am? Or, why were you with him in his car on a lonely road at 2 am? If you had consensual sex with him a number of times, why was this time rape?

To me, that difference in Mexico alone makes me glad to live here.

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TFH May 27, 2012 at 12:20

So what are MRAs doing to reach out to Brian Banks, and turn him into a fierce voice against unfair rape laws?

At least the Innocence Project exists, but there is no MRA-specific organization of the same sort.

I hope they are at least still updating register-her.com to include Wanetta Gibson.

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Jim May 27, 2012 at 12:20

I really like how you wrote the part about how what if a Man kidnapped a woman and locked her in a cage for 5 years and then stole 1.5 million.

That is exactly how I see it because that is what she did.

There is not one Man alive in the U.S. that would not get a life sentence for that…but for a female it’s totally legal. No charges are even filed.

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AfOR May 27, 2012 at 12:22

cue the wimminz saying “I bet he did it really” in 3… 2… 1

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TFH May 27, 2012 at 12:23

I am not sure that register-her.com is still being updated….

That was the one extremely useful database in existence. It would be a shame if no one were updating it.

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continent May 27, 2012 at 12:29

W.F. Price
One thing I’m not clear. Accused sex offenders names can be published, but media does not report the alleged victims names.
Once the accused is convicted, their name is entered into sex offender registry. Because this man was later exonorated, but if his name is on Internet, how do they erase the name from cyberspace?
Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender_registration

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Anonymous age 70 May 27, 2012 at 12:31

A Mexico story on sentencing equality.

First, my wife’s cousin was once assistant warden in the woman’s prison in Mexico city. When I asked back in the 80′s, she said both men and women involved in the same crime got exactly the same sentence in most cases, down to the minute and second.

Years later, my friend, the former medical examiner, told me one of his cases.

A local man turned up missing. They finally found his body in the boonies, badly chewed up by dogs or coyotes. He found that both legs were broken, and this is a danger sign for a body.

They did their best. It was two years before the prosecutor called him and said, “We got them!”

This man, when he got drunk, would tell tall stories about how wealthy he was, though he was not. One night, he did that in a bar where a strange couple were listening.

The wife lured him out to the boonies with the promise of sex. Her husband, a vile brute, ripped open the car door, and broke his legs with a baseball bat. When he learned the guy had no money, he killed him.

Doc questioned her, and she broke down and confessed. When he told the husband she had confessed, he was as cold and hard as ice, and said she was a liar. He did look a bit upset when Doc told him he was going to be put in prison for 40 years.

Based on the description of the husband, I am sure in the US she would have been viewed as victim of a threat of violence for not obeying in her role in the crime.

In Mexico, she got the same exact 40 years he got. Sure sounds right to me.

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Anonymous age 70 May 27, 2012 at 12:35

Let me explain why I tell these stories about Mexico. Some men insist women are exactly the same everywhere. The same personality types do exist everywhere, true. But, what happens to the personality types when they do screw up tends to limit just how bad they get.

Dearies in the US file lots of false charges, because it works and they get away with it. And, if they put their husband in prison , the government sends her a check.

In Mexico, they seldom get away with false charges, so there is no fountain of training women how to use them to get rid of unwanted husbands.

And, when he goes to jail, she sells her body on the street if she wants to eat.

That sort of thing does keep women under control.

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Okrahead May 27, 2012 at 12:44

“Prosecutors, who so vigorously hounded the innocent man, say they will leave the false accuser – a criminal – alone. Bearing false witness used to be considered serious crime, but it seems an exception has been carved out for women who lie about rape. ”
She put an innocent man in prison for eight years and used her lie to steal $1.5 MILLION…. and even though everyone know it was all a lie, the prosecutors are too fearful of the feminazis to uphold their oath to the law. I’m sure they also wonder why there is a growing rise in inter-gender violence in the country. Surely the two could not be connected?

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freebird May 27, 2012 at 12:57

Time to start a registry of prosecutors and judges, complete with home and vacation home addresses.
I respect ya Mr. Price, but this is not an instance you can say “blame the woman,not the system.”
As I’ve said before BOTH are complicit.
Federal mandate or no, no man has to violate God inspired tenets of law.

By securing the conviction in the first place all 3 violated “tho shalt not bear false witness.”

By not charging the false accuser they compound the sin, you know the wages.

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Lavazza May 27, 2012 at 13:01

As I said in an earlier thread, I cant’t imagine a situation where the word of one man would be enough to send a woman (or a man) to prison.

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Poester99 May 27, 2012 at 13:09

Well, we have to give special dispensations and protections to women because they are completely and equally capable in all things. Yes, this statement contradicts itself. But it is the state of affairs in a nutshell. The fact is that the government acts in law as if women are helpless and not as capable as men as speaks as loudly as 1000 online articles.

The feminists, disappointed at the pace of standard jurisprudence at causing pain, misery and death, among the men and boys that they hate, are the primary pushers of this ingrained misogyny, as it is a way to push for harsher penalties and cancellation of human rights for their targets of their hate war.
Few things are as they seem in this fucked up world of ours, and there are liars all over the place.

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Poester99 May 27, 2012 at 13:14

IF she is not prosecuted for a crime that she confessed to, then for sure she should be registered.

But the prosecutor, well, why not? What was the evidence, they had sex? Prosecutor and judge found her attractive? oh… GUILTY as charged!

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DCM May 27, 2012 at 13:22

“freebird May 27, 2012 at 12:57

Time to start a registry of prosecutors and judges, complete with home and vacation home addresses. ….”

Right. They ought to be identified online. Surely there are some professional geeks who can do it with minimal danger to themselves.

Observe that the Arabs, when the time comes, administer justice to government officials who have harmed the people. Saddam, Mubarak, Gaddafi…..

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Rmaxd May 27, 2012 at 13:38

An Apt Quote By Kris over at PMAFT …

“It doesn’t matter if all women are or are not like that, what matters is that society enables all women to be like that!”

As long as one woman can get away with rape because of her gender, all women are rapists; as long as one woman can get away with domestic abuse because of her gender, all women are abusers; as long as one woman can get away with child molestation because of her gender, all women are pedophiles; as long as one woman can get away with murder because of her gender, all women are murderers.

“It doesn’t matter if all women are or are not like that, what matters is that society enables all women to be like that!”

Gen Y guy’s have been systematically abused and discriminated against. Our futures intentionally sabotaged for the benefit of women.

So as long as one woman benefits from our pain and suffering ALL WOMEN ARE FEMINISTS AND ALL FEMINISTS ARE MALE HATING, MISANDTRIST, FEMALE SUPREMACIST BIGOTS!

By denying the sheer level of misandry, sexism and blatant discrimination we have had to endure, all your doing is pouring sulfuric acid onto a gaping, infected wound, and proving what narcissistic, overly entitled bigots a womans gender is.

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Justinian May 27, 2012 at 13:54

Perhaps Muslims aren’t barbarians after all when it comes to thier “backwards” rape laws. Could it be the wisdom of the centuries has structured a society based on the realistic nature of woman?

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asdf May 27, 2012 at 14:30

More on the story:

“L.A. prosecutors have said they have no plans to charge her with making false accusations, saying it would be a tough case to prove.”

“But in the last year, county officials said she didn’t have to pay anything, citing a lack of income and employment.”

“According to Banks and his private investigator, Gibson has refused to admit to prosecutors that she lied to avoid having to return the money she and her family had won in court.”

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/ex-football-player-wrongly-jailed-for-rape-wants-money-from-state.html

So not only is she not facing prosecution (because it’s ‘a tough case to prove’), but she won’t even have to pay back the money she got. She is literally walking away scot-free for ruining this man’s life and profiting from doing so.

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asdf May 27, 2012 at 14:34

“But in the last year, county officials said she didn’t have to pay anything, citing a lack of income and employment.”

To clarify, this isn’t specifically talking about the settlement money she got, but about a child support payment that she does not have to pay (the paragraph is poorly written, but it seems she was order to pay child support).

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Eric May 27, 2012 at 14:41

Rmaxd:
I don’t think you have any credibility talking about false accusations, since you’ve made at least three on this forum and won’t explain a possible forth.

Are you going to come up with evidence for these accusations, or keep dodging them?

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piercedhead May 27, 2012 at 14:52

“L.A. prosecutors have said they have no plans to charge her with making false accusations, saying it would be a tough case to prove.”

Too hard to prove?

Why can’t they use the prosecutor who ‘proved’ that Brian Banks was a rapist?

Obviously they’ve got people who can prove anything.

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Ryu May 27, 2012 at 14:55

Interesting story here.

Women in the Mexican cartels. The story has a rather “congragulatory”, positive feel to it:
http://news.yahoo.com/women-rise-mexican-drug-cartels-183152549.html

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Rmaxd May 27, 2012 at 14:56

Lmao @ Eric …

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Al Thompson May 27, 2012 at 14:58

One of the problems with the so-called court systems is that exculpatory evidence is sometimes hidden from the jury or disregarded by the judge.
The prosecutors only caree about getting convictions. They need to keep the prison system full. The Innocence Project does the job the court should have done at time of the prosecution of the case. It really pathetic.
I’m happy this man was cleared, but he can never get that time back in his life. He’ll do just fine, but the court system as we know it stinks.
I’ve seen judges hide evidence from the jury just to get a conviction.
That has to change.

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OPT-OUT May 27, 2012 at 15:21

@Eric

Interesting, why not just do the footwork and make a counter argument? Should be easy if Rmaxd is so off base. Otherwise, shovel shit with a wooden spoon.

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Eric May 27, 2012 at 15:21

Rmaxd:
Sorry, you’ll have to spell it out.

Commenter Slwlerner has been notably championing the rights of falsely accused men. According to you, he’s a shill for false rape accusers. He told you to prove it—you haven’t.

So far, most of your posts have been false accusations against other MRAs without a single shred of anything of positive benefit. Now your ass is the one in the hot seat, Tunnelmouth. You talk about shills and plants, let’s hear you start throwing down some proof. Or are you just like these false rape accusers yourself?

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keyster May 27, 2012 at 15:35

He could take her to civil court, but even then it’s 50/50.
He’d need a lawyer to work pro bono, and she’s probably blown through most of the $1.5 M.

He’s going to sue California instead.

I’m a little surprised this story got picked up nationally. That’s rare.
Rape culture hysteria permeates our society and legal system.
False accusations are not even a felony. Even if they convicted her she might have to pay a fine and do some community service. Making False Rape Accusation a felony is what the MRM should be diligently persuing. Right now its a 2nd degree misdemeanor in most states.

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Eric May 27, 2012 at 15:36

Opt-Out;
Because the burden of proof is on him—he’s the one making the accusations.

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MRA May 27, 2012 at 15:39

Losing his children by the LEGAL SYSTEM and being blamed for it because it benefits a elite top class of politics.

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V10 May 27, 2012 at 15:41

My ideal would be to have a conviction of perjury (or giving false testimony or whatever the technical classification of the lie is) carry an automatic sentence equal to that of what the accused served, or would have served if the lie led to a conviction.

A man can dream… Any such legislation would likely be shot down by screeching about how it would scare real victims from coming forward.

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crella May 27, 2012 at 16:34

How on earth can it be a ‘tough case to prove’?? They have all her prior testimony!

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Gilgamesh May 27, 2012 at 16:37

California, the same state that finds it difficult to stop giving money to illegal immigrants

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3DShooter May 27, 2012 at 17:02

This story is an infuriating travesty – that woman should be jailed and made to compensate this man. And the prosecutor/judge should be liable as well, but they are protected by ‘shield laws’.

Tracking down judges and attorney’s is pretty easy using property records. They cannot hide that and there are on-line search engines just for that purpose. Then again, I have no compunction against seeing these kinds of predators hanged, this stuff has been going on too long to be tolerated much more.

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Andrew S. May 27, 2012 at 17:06

The question used to be is it right to imprison ten men if nine are guilty but one is innocent. The question feminists and our justice system see to be asking is if it’s right to imprison ten men if one is guilty.

And The answer seems to be a loud and empowered YES!!!!!!!!!!

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TFH May 27, 2012 at 17:12

crella,

How on earth can it be a ‘tough case to prove’?? They have all her prior testimony!

Because evidence that proves a woman’s guilt is inconvenient.

Remember, in a woman’s mind, there is no objective right and wrong. If it feels wrong that a woman is a criminal, and there is hard evidence of that, such evidence is unfortunate and inconvenient.

crella, as always, TELL MEN WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT MISANDRY. Don’t bother with women. Tell men what you know, and have them read The Spearhead. Force them to do it, if necessary.

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TFH May 27, 2012 at 17:13

keyster,

He’s going to sue California instead.

Is he really? That is good.

Also, can’t falsely accused men sue the state? $5 Million settlements a pop would end this bogus industry fast.

But again, I am troubled that register-her.com does not seem to have anyone adding new female criminals to the database. Is that site no longer being updated?

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Ethical May 27, 2012 at 17:18

freebird said:
Time to start a registry of prosecutors and judges

Al Thompson said:
One of the problems with the so-called court systems is that exculpatory evidence is sometimes hidden from the jury or disregarded by the judge.
[...]
I’ve seen judges hide evidence from the jury just to get a conviction.
That has to change.

Judges have almost absolute discretion to make any ruling they care to regardless of what the law directs them to do. There are codes of conduct that state judges need to consider evidence before discarding it but this is almost NEVER done. Instead they ignore any evidence that isn’t consistent with the ruling they’d LIKE to make based on their personal white knight convictions. Judicial discretion is routinely and massively misused to inflict the biases of judges, many of whom are outright feminists who will literally take the fact that a man is an MRA as a character flaw worthy of a stiffer sentence.

A database of formal complaints against judges and lawyers is a great idea. Most complaints are currently hidden by the legal system so no men can see the history of complaints against a given judge. This kind of a database would help expose systemic misandric bias that even now many judges will pretend doesn’t exist.

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dragnet May 27, 2012 at 17:43

@ TFH

Good questions about register-her.com. Send Paul Elam and email and ask him if the site is still being updated.

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TFH May 27, 2012 at 17:54

dragnet,

I just did that.

If that has gone stale, we are in trouble. It was one of the only tangible weapons we had in terms of inflicting a cost against perpetrators of unchecked misandry…..

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WRB May 27, 2012 at 18:09

If you are looking for a worthy charity, consider The Innocence Project.

Based on their website, it looks like all prisoners they helped release are men. Need I say more?

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Soapwort McFuggletoes May 27, 2012 at 18:47

If it can be shown that an accuser had intent to bear false witness, they should be given an equal amount of time in the poke, fiscal stress, etc. The thing that can’t be reciprocated is the level of stress imparted upon the innocent party as they watch the slow motion train barrel through their life.

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evilwhitemalempire May 27, 2012 at 19:05

if there is any one reason to be anti-feminist this is it

it really takes an arrogance the size of the sun to think that your reputation, jealousies, or hurt feelings should be payed for with the lengthy incarceration and lifetime blacklisting of others

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evilwhitemalempire May 27, 2012 at 19:38

Justinian May 27, 2012 at 13:54
Perhaps Muslims aren’t barbarians after all when it comes to thier “backwards” rape laws. Could it be the wisdom of the centuries has structured a society based on the realistic nature of woman?

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what!?

do you dare to suggest that civilizations/cultures that have existed for millenia understand more about females than modern social engineers with their university degrees?

do you dare to suggest that there might actually be rational behind the burka? rational behind the testament of a woman being worth only a fraction of a man’s? rational behind default male custody of children?

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evilwhitemalempire May 27, 2012 at 19:39

sorry, rationale

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Rob May 27, 2012 at 19:46

Register-her.com went off the reservation when it started flagging people for merely being of an anti-male stance… that kind of shit brings on libel suits. You can’t lump in bigotted speech with sex-offenders. Free speech always wins out in the end, so says Thomas Jefferson. This is a boomer disease – Glen Sacks was the same way.

But, the guy really SHOULD sue the state and the lawyers – fuck her. The state and lawyers have deeper pockets – make them pay.

It is the same thing as here in Canuckistan… at our children’s hospitals, it is policy not to inform fathers when they have been cuckolded by a mother. “It is in the best interests of the child.” So they say.

Well, the guys should stop suing the woman for recompence, and instead, go after the doctors and the hospital that blatantly enabled the fraud – they have deeper pockets, and aren’t as sympathized with as single mothers.

Make it so doctors are so scared shitless of being sued broke, that they won’t dare stick up for a cuckoldress.

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W.F. Price May 27, 2012 at 19:57

But, the guy really SHOULD sue the state and the lawyers – fuck her. The state and lawyers have deeper pockets – make them pay.

-Rob

Mmmm… California’s going broke. Largely because of this hippie BS, but it’s a reality, so I wouldn’t even count on getting paid by them even with a judgment. My folks live there and will be retiring back here in WA state in a couple years — my mom is appalled by the fraud and abuse of public funds going on down there. It won’t end well. There’s no way California will be able to pay for the promises it’s made to public sector workers without demanding the rest of us do it for them (hence Feinstein and Boxer’s screeching about tax evasion).

evilwhitemalempire May 27, 2012 at 20:10

Well, the guys should stop suing the woman for recompence, and instead, go after the doctors and the hospital that blatantly enabled the fraud – they have deeper pockets, and aren’t as sympathized with as single mothers.
************

that idea can apply to nearly all misandry

punishing men who enable misandry would be much easier than punishing females

if the people who rob you at gun point can’t be punished you can still punish those who gave them the guns in the first place

nobody feels sorry for wealthy lawyers, doctors, etc. especially if they are male

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Rob May 27, 2012 at 20:13

Heh, the faster the state goes broke, the better off we will all be.

“The family” was much stronger during the Great Depression and WWII than it was during the Roaring Twenties. The Suffragettes suddenly found it favourable to STFU, rather than stand around a burning barrel in a Hooverville.

So long as a Global Police State doesn’t arise out of the chaos, going broke would be in the best interests of all of us under the age of 50. We will emerge stronger and debt free.

Most of the bullshit we are experiencing is because of government interference. If we were forced to rely on eachother again, things might improve. If the state got knocked back by 90% because they had no more money, we would all be better off.

Humans have, somehow, figured out how to live for thousands of years without the Nanny State telling them the right and wrong ways.

The State is our biggest enemy – women just are as they always have been. We have just been conditioned – by state funding – to only recognize the angel, while ignoring the gorgon.

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universe May 27, 2012 at 20:33

False accusations leading to innocent men being imprisoned, men loosing their employment, families and reputations and provable false accusations of any feminist variety leading to our culture being deprived of honour, liberty, fiscal soundness, etc. will not end until concerted efforts toward ending this collective farce gets in motion. These efforts include taking an active role in the structure and foundation of sound governance, within, the soundest of constitutions – the U.S. Constitution – among others.
This means actually getting involved in the process of governance on the citizen ground level. Today’s renegade?…perhaps is the one citizen, and hopefully the collective of a collection of one citizen who fights (writing letters, public speaking, committee involvements – show of numbers, etc.) for common sense.
Spilling ink to reduce one’s angst may assist in acquiring a sound sleep but one wakes the next morning to the same or more conditions that lead to more spilt ink, and on and on this cycle goes, without anything ever changing, except more creative ways to express one’s-self to the already converted or those about to be.
Tying boot straps tighter, rolling sleeves upward and preparing to wipe sweat from a furrowed brow is what it will take to limit and end the white knight assisted estrogen dominating poisoning madness that befalls on all of us.

Wondering why the newest filthiest hog on the ever expanding block is not listed on register-her.com will not do much of anything. Involvement, gentlemen. Those few who are and have made a difference for the unknown brother will not last indefinately. They’ve jumped on the barbed wire for us to walk over. Kvetching may convert and recruit the fence sitter for more mere expression on ink but the storm trooper approach is what will repel and defeat those simpletons who rely on a charade to advance their ridiculous agenda. We have the info to do it.

Think I’m crazy for the recommending of getting involved in what is left of a once honourable system? Think I give a fuck?
Doing nothing is the surest way for the continuation of the utmost in lunacy that hangs above us now. Doing little things on the public level to bring the like-minded together is relatively easy. Giving them the info that we have at our disposal takes a little more effort and resourses. Positively channeling all this toward citizen involvement takes but a little more. Sustaining it all takes the most. Why more people aren’t doing something likened to this is truly beyond me aside from the thought that everyone is waiting for someone else to make the first move. But the first move has been made by those involved with resister-her.com and that compliment web-site, for ex. What the fruch are we waiting for?
What can make a grown man cry? Watching countless innocent brothers get chewed out and spat up while we sit back and do next to nothing, perhaps.

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Eric May 27, 2012 at 20:33

Evilwhitemaleempire:

You put your finger on the key to breaking the whole system; stop the enablers. For example, everytime I hear of a well-publicised ‘rape scandal’ that turns out to be false, I hear most MRAs say: punish the accuser. I agree, but it shouldn’t stop there.

The falsely accused men should launch civil and criminal complaints against the prosecutors, police departments, and media scum who really profitted off the whole venture. It’s bad enough when a false accuser just gets off without punishment; it’s worse when the enablers not only aren’t punished, but get paid for it.

Maybe an idea for a website similar to the ‘register-her.com’ concept would be one that chronicles how many false accusations happen within certain jurisdictions, for example. And how many hours of media coverage the story got and how much advertising revenue the networks pulled in during the time. If there’s book & media deals involved, those should be detailed too.

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Rob May 27, 2012 at 21:07

You can see what has happened with gynocologists. The vast majority of them don’t dare to examine a woman without a nurse present in the room to act as a witness.

As an industry, they have become “cultured” to protecting their own ass first… because they DO realize many women lie like rugs.

Men could do the same things. It might not be precisely the right person to go after… but, in a way it is.

We are too stuck on the notion that men and women are “equal.”

We are not. Men adhere to the principle – while women scoff at our schoolyard rules. Doctors are already figuring this out… now men should expand on it.

The Duke Lacrosse Team shouldn’t sue the stripper – they should make Nifong so poor he lives in a fucking cardboard box for the rest of his life, and then they should sue the “Duke 80″ of professors, to join Nifong in his new cardboard condo complex.

Women will ALWAYS be treated better than men – they always have been. Look at the stories in the Bible – they are thousands of years old. Women are as women are – just as children are as they are.

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TiredGuy May 27, 2012 at 21:34

The laws are already in place in most nations, we just need to apply the same tactics the feminists use – put pressure on the politicians and police.

Think about it – it is illegal for false accusations to be made, and yet the police do nothing. The only time the police enforce a law is if there is enough pressure from their bosses to do so.

This is why I continue to write to several politicians when this sort of thing comes up in my local area. I figure if that even the dumbest of politicians will pressure the local police chief if he thinks it will buy him votes. This does work if its done right. Petitions alone do not achieve anything, but letters written by multiple people on the same issue – that gets results because it only takes a moment to sign a petition, but it takes some time to craft a letter: hence why they are taken more seriously when received in bulk.

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Eric May 27, 2012 at 21:41

Rob,
Along with Nifong and the Duke 80, I would donate a cardboard box for Greta Van Susteren and others who made a media spectacle of the whole farce.

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MRA May 27, 2012 at 22:10

Something about the case, the money is from a lawsuit her mother made after the “rape” against the schools system for “lack of security”.

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walking in hell May 27, 2012 at 22:31

Any society that believes and is lead by the word of women is doomed. In America, the word of women is considered gold.

Sharia law values the word of women at one half that of a man. I think that is very generous. In America, the women deserve about one tenth the word of a man.

Wanetta Gibson needs to be severely punished. The prosecutors need to be punished. The poor man needs to be compensated.

Truly American society is the sickest and most backwards in the world.

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MRA May 27, 2012 at 22:32

“WRB May 27, 2012 at 18:09
If you are looking for a worthy charity, consider The Innocence Project.

Based on their website, it looks like all prisoners they helped release are men. Need I say more?”

Considering their website is full of men’s faces who have been put free just like the banner on the top of home page it gives you the joy to know there is others groups doing what the MRM have been advocating for so long.

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walking in hell May 27, 2012 at 22:46

Right now, MRAs should be protesting and storming the building were Brian Banks was prosecuted, demanding punishment of the criminal Wanetta Gibson.

Not punishingWanetta Gibson is an invitation to other women to commit the same crime.

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Black Rebel May 27, 2012 at 22:54

Okay why exactly is it 46 to life for rape? It’s not killing someone, it’s not selling state secrets to an enemy nation, and most of the time, it’s not even what happened.

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migu May 27, 2012 at 23:03

A note on going after the prosecution.

You can ruin career advancement, you will not bankrupt them. They will bankrupt you. If you are already bankrupt then it’s worth it. My father stalled judgeships and governor bids.

The end result was ruination of certain reputations.

Two judges, a district attorney, a county commissioner, a chief of police, and a sheriff. They left public service, but they still left rich. Always remember to count the costs.

This guy should be able to do the same, he will be recompensed for time served. He can challenge the immunity rule and go after them personally. That I think might work.

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W.F. Price May 27, 2012 at 23:21

A note on going after the prosecution.

You can ruin career advancement, you will not bankrupt them. They will bankrupt you. If you are already bankrupt then it’s worth it.

-migu

Well, if all it takes is being broke, then there are a going to be a lot more guys in coming years with the opportunity to wreck some scumbags’ careers.

Badpoet May 28, 2012 at 00:46

Justice would be for Wanetta to be truly raped.

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migu May 28, 2012 at 01:50

It can be done, but it ain’t easy. Most folks just give up. It took my dad 12 years. He was accused of DV Drug addiction, and child abuse. Marital rape came up, but was not pursued. His war was from 1995-2007. He just let it die once we were all grown, and the detractors were forced from public life. All he does now is remind the town when their children try and go public.

Petty, maybe. I can understand though. The guys he got were always after me. I was given a $650 ticket once for throwing a cigarette butt on the ground. Had a gun barrel pressed to my temple for a broken tail light. Few other things too.

Main reason I keep saying reform won’t work. They all need to be fired and banned from any authority for life.

It will happen, numbers don’t lie. Better to have an alternative ready, than waste all of your resources fighting. It’s why I connect with MGTOW. It’s an alternative, not an attempt at a coup.

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Rmaxd May 28, 2012 at 01:52

So our justice system & legal system & cops & courts are absolutely corrupt, criminal & constantly destroy & brutalise men for profit?

Also activists, like The Innocence Project, & OTHER legal rights activists, ARE effective in helping men?

But Fox News, & the rest of the mainstream conservatives say all cops are good & our courts are the greatest criminal systems in the world …

Mainstream conservatives also say activists dont achieve anything, all they do is riot & protest …

So how many steps is it going to take, to realise how our society really works?

Our society isnt designed to uphold ideals or values

Its designed to uphold the absolutely corrupt & criminal, who prey on those who do not know how to exercise their ideals & values

But of course, being an activist, a radical, who challenges the status quo, makes you a conspiracy theorist, a hippy, or a terrorist

So who’s the real terrorist, Fox News & mainstream conservatives who benefit from the absolutely corrupt & criminal?

Or those who point out the real radical truth about our society?

The ONLY way to keep a government in check, is to fight it …

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 02:09

The troll Rmaxd complains about false accusations against MRAs.

And you’ve never accused MRAs of being cult members, shills, and paid trolls, right?

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 02:29

Rmaxd:

Wow, all that explosive rhethoric, one might actually interpret a post like that as calling for violent revolution: not the kind of thing that oh, say a troll paid to discredit the MRM might publish?

Just a thought….

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W.F. Price May 28, 2012 at 02:40

It can be done, but it ain’t easy. Most folks just give up. It took my dad 12 years. He was accused of DV Drug addiction, and child abuse. Marital rape came up, but was not pursued. His war was from 1995-2007. He just let it die once we were all grown, and the detractors were forced from public life. All he does now is remind the town when their children try and go public.

-migu

Hmm, sounds like your dad and I got pretty much the same treatment. Nothing I can do locally, really (King County is more than I can handle), so I decided to take it national. In hindsight, it was a decent idea.

I wish I’d had a chance for an alternative, but if they get you before you know about it, there isn’t much you can do. In the meanwhile, I’m putting a life back together piece by piece, but I have to admit it’s kind of depressing to look back on the train wreck. Oh well, no point in looking back at the carnage — just keep soldiering on.

Hope all’s well with your dad. I know where he’s been.

migu May 28, 2012 at 02:42

More like as soon as you step into their world you lose. Let them fight eachother, be prepared to pick up what is left.

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migu May 28, 2012 at 02:46

Thanks welmer.

He’s good. We all went to see him last week. My father eventually went to the federal courts. They told Elko county to stop or face federal takeover. Not a victory in the Hollywood sense, but in the end mom is a lonely alcoholic with a worthless manthing. Dad has his children, he just had to wait for mom to blow it.

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TiredGuy May 28, 2012 at 02:51

“The ONLY way to keep a government in check, is to fight it …”

I agree to a certain extent, however at the moment anyone that outright fights the government is going to be shot. And to paraphrase – don’t die for your country, kill the other bastard for his. This is the reason I advocate a subtle fight. Every innocent man in jail is a casualty. Every man paying child support for children that are not his is a casualty. Every man that is unemployed because of affirmative action is a casualty.

Wait, build our numbers, apply pressure in cases like this. I’m not advocating compromising with feminists – just hiding the daggers behind smiles. Just last year I managed to get a local politician to effect a minor policy change. It was only a pipsqueak victory, but it’s one step forward.

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Rmaxd May 28, 2012 at 03:03

“The abolition of whites’ First Amendment rights also entails the abolition of their 14th Amendment right to equality before the law.”
-from Vdare

This isnt simply about mens rights, or womens rights, or liberals

What we’re seeing here is part of a far bigger picture, to suppress dissent & protest, & destroy men, instead of sending the Secret Police to arrest men door to door

They might not be able to arrest for what you say on the internet or in private …

So They repeal the rights of men & prosecute men for false rape & hate crimes

This isnt a simple act of legal injustice, this is a SYSTEMATIC form of prosecution of working men & the majority

False rape accusations, & hate crimes are part of a larger system of suppressing working class men from dissenting & protesting against the government & the justice system

In short they do not want you to fight back, so they strip you of your rights, even if it goes against their own corrupt courts & legal system

From the excellent Vdare …

Gents read this very carefully … this explains why men, no longer have real rights in law

“The abolition of whites’ First Amendment rights also entails the abolition of their 14th Amendment right to equality before the law.”

While whites are illegally arrested and prosecuted, blacks (and protected groups) are given carte blanche not only to spew racial epithets against whites, but to do so while committing felonies against them.

Thus, whites (mostly white males) endure hyper-policing, while blacks (& women) enjoy de-policing.

This is how our government suppresses the dissent of working class men today, yesterday it was secret police & abductions, today its hyper-policing & illegal arrests & illegal prosecution

Different method, the exact same result …

In August 1998, Janis Barton was arrested for complaining to her mother, in a private conversation, about some Hispanics’ refusal to speak English in public.

Thanks in large part to a leftwing, WHITE judge, Brent Danielson, Barton was convicted of “insulting conduct in a public place’ and sentenced her to 45 DAYS IN JAIL. (Benitez had only asked for community service.)

[Cops Investigating PS 225 'Hate Crime', By Howard Schwach, The Rockaway Wave, November 9, 2007]

The Raccoon Three: James Lee Wallis Jr., Brian Wallis, and Tony L. Johnson—Up To Eight Months For Hanging A Dead Raccoon As A Protest

On November 6, 2007, Tony L. Johnson and the Wallis brothers hung a dead raccoon in a noose from a flagpole at a school in Morehouse Parish, LA, to protest school authorities’ plan to bus more black students into the school.

The feds coerced the three into pleading guilty of hate crimes, and
“sentenced James Lee Wallis Jr. to eight months in prison, Tony L. Johnson to six months in prison and Brian Wallis to five months in prison. All three defendants will also receive one year of supervised release and must attend a cultural diversity and sensitivity program.”[DOJ Press Release: Three Men Sentenced For Attempting To Intimidate African-American Students, etc, February 8, 2012

Brian Swetnam: Ten Years In Jail—For Burning A Cross???

A friend of Brian Swetnam, a white student at Bowie, Maryland’s Bowie High School, had been beaten by racist black “students.” Swetnam and three of his friends considered hiring someone to kill the racist thugs, but decided instead on a non-violent, purely symbolic response. On June 13, 1997, Swetnam and some of the others burned a cross.

The feds coerced Swetnam into pleading guilty to hate-crime conspiracy charges, and sentenced him to 10 years in federal prison without parole—more time than the typical murderer is sentenced to.

Note that, had Swetnam burned an American flag, a sacred symbol millions of white Americans, he would not have been prosecuted at all.

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freebird May 28, 2012 at 03:45

@3d shooter:
No, it’s not fairly easy to find a judge.
There is an exception in the public disclosure laws that allow them to remove such information from the record.

Also,being immune to prosecution has it’s benefits.

They know damn well there are going to be disgruntled men out there after them, and have prepared for all contingencies/hence the arrogance of invulnerability.

Then again…
Pride goes before a fall.

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freebird May 28, 2012 at 03:51

Mr. Price said:
“Mmmm… California’s going broke. Largely because of this hippie BS.”

Here I had thought the MJ was now the number #1 agriculture income in CA.
Could not be the majority of illegals milking the system?

I agree with you so often,and disagree so often, it is an odd thing.

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Opus May 28, 2012 at 03:56

In all your understandable angers about this case I think you are all missing the main point:

Banks was convicted (if I understood the article correctly) because he pleaded guilty. He did so not because he was guilty but because (doubtless on advice) he knew that in her word against his he would be disbelieved. [I refer back to Blackstone again who recognised the difficulty of proving Rape - something that seems to have been forgotten in then witch-hunt to find men guilty of all sexual misbehaviour.] Plea-Bargaining therefore seemed to be the better course of action. As everyone knows a Jury should not convict unless satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt; that is to say, beyond a shadow of a doubt, but Juries are so convinced that a woman cannot lie that they fail to do what they are obliged by law to do – to consider the evidence, impartially. Judges and Proscutors are no better. I would say that of those cases that go to trial one might as well toss a coin to decide guilt because half the time the Jury gets it wrong – I speak from personal observation. A Court of Law and its Byzantine rules is a very artificial process for determining anything. Obviously in the case of Gibson they should put her in prison and throw away the key.

Curious, that, (as with Evans and the Army Officer in England last week) women always seem to claim Rape by Big, Strong, Hunky guys. Hmmm.

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freebird May 28, 2012 at 04:02

Judges,prosecutors,cops,”officers of the court,”
all exempt from public record disclosure and most are immune/hard to prosecute-hence the arrogance of invulnerability.

“By and for the people” my ass.
“Just US.”
Caste system.
Keeps coming back,doesn’t it?

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freebird May 28, 2012 at 04:08

One report I read a decade ago said there where over 57 police laboratories to manufacture crack to set-up users there-of.

No, I do not have citations.
So yeah,while white political speech is suppressed,the blacks have to bow to the international drug cartels/CIA.
Ollie North is a hero with his 747′s full of cocaine one way and weapons to the Contra’s the other.

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Charles Martel May 28, 2012 at 06:41

Opus
As everyone knows a Jury should not convict unless satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt; that is to say, beyond a shadow of a doubt, but Juries are so convinced that a woman cannot lie that they fail to do what they are obliged by law to do – to consider the evidence, impartially.

There’s something interesting going on here. It’s conventional wisdom that the way to avoid a regret rape accusation is to be alpha. See this classic SNL sketch: Sexual Harassment and You.

But Brian Banks was undoubtedly alpha – a big muscular guy on his way to a college football scholarship. So what went wrong for Mr. Banks? The answer’s simple. Money. Even alphas like Brian Banks, Clayton McDonald or Ched Evans are highly vulnerable to a false rape charge motivated by avarice. Remember Kobe Bryant?

While I don’t know the details of the allegations against Mr. Banks, we do know the “victim” received $1.5 million in a civil suit. In the Ched Evans case, it’s pretty clear that the “victim,” Lauren Crawford, intentionally set herself up for a big score up by getting drunk, hopping into a taxi with someone she undoubtedly knew was a professional soccer player, taking her clothes off and climbing into a hotel room bed. Where she was, oh my, poor innocent thing, rayped.

There’s no safe harbor for men. You’re beta? Better hope you’re not too beta. Alpha? Better hope you haven’t run into a chick with seven figure dreams and an icy heart.

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Tom May 28, 2012 at 06:45

The prosecutor’s claim that they’re not prosecuting her because it would be “tough to prove” obviously doesn’t wash. They’ve got her confession!

I suspect the real reason they don’t want to prosecute is that the part they played in securing a wrongful conviction would almost certainly become an issue at the trial if this woman were prosecuted for perjury. For example, she would probably try to defend against the intent element of the crime by claiming the prosecutors and police (not her) were responsible in some way, they coached and encouraged her, or concocted other false evidence, etc. I don’t know exactly what it is, but it looks to me like they are trying very hard to keep something hidden.

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Charles Martel May 28, 2012 at 07:02

Rmaxd
This is how our government suppresses the dissent of working class men today, yesterday it was secret police & abductions, today its hyper-policing & illegal arrests & illegal prosecution.

Working class white men are the only group the government fears. Everyone else is too invested in the system to oppose it. Even among working class whites a good percentage are sucking on Uncle Sam’s tit.

The writing’s on the wall if you know how to look.

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Just Sayin May 28, 2012 at 07:04

Because the false rape accusers walk scot-free away from the mess they create, the society can hope for divine punishment to the false rape accusers. After all, during their testimony, the false accusers do hold the bible promising to say the truth, and nothing but the truth…

Well, this is what the bible says about False Rape Accusers:

You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor. But it shall come to pass, if you will not … do … which I command you this day, that all these curses will come on you, and overtake you.

You will be cursed in the city, and you will be cursed in the field.

Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed.

The fruit of your body, the fruit of your ground, the increase of your livestock, and the young of your flock will be cursed.

You will be cursed when you come in, and you will be cursed when you go out.

The LORD will send on you cursing, confusion, and rebuke, in all that you put your hand to do, until you are destroyed, and until you perish quickly; because of the evil of your doings, by which you have forsaken me.

The LORD will make the pestilence cling to you, until he has consumed you from off the land, where you go in to possess it.

The LORD will strike you with consumption, with fever, with inflammation, with fiery heat, with the sword, with blight, and with mildew. They will pursue you until you perish.

… The LORD will strike you with the boils of Egypt, with the tumors, with the scurvy, and with the itch, of which you can not be healed.

The LORD will strike you with madness, with blindness, and with astonishment of heart. You will grope at noonday, as the blind gropes in darkness, and you shall not prosper in your ways.

You will only be oppressed and robbed always, and there will be no one to save you. …

The LORD will strike you in the knees and in the legs with a sore boil, of which you can not be healed, from the sole of your foot to the crown of your head. … You will become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword among all the peoples where the LORD will lead you away.

… All these curses will come on you, and will pursue you, and overtake you, until you are destroyed; because you didn’t listen to the LORD your God’s voice, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded you.

Source: WEBME version: Deuteronomy 5:20; 28:15 -

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Rmaxd May 28, 2012 at 07:44

For the newbies out there, who still drink the why doesnt the MRA follow the liberal movements, like good slaves, kool aid …

This is Why We Have Welfare …

The wealth & freedom you’ve experienced is a transition period, of acclimatisation before all out slavery

Feminism has always been about turning women into a mass slave labour force, by turning them into single mothers & spinsters unable to support themselves

Women unable to afford to care for themselves, are the perfect serf, the perfect slave for corporations & dictatorships like the U.S Government & Britain

Whats even more hilarious, women will actually defend being used as a slave …

Welfare has always been about raising a slave labour force, in first world countries

The new slave labour force, wont be made of black men or minorities

It will be made of single black mothers & single white women

All these single mother moms living on child support & welfare, theyre the new slaves, the new serfs

Britain already has slave labour camps

ALL welfare recipients in Britain have to choose between working for £1.00 an hour or loose their benefits

Enjoy your slavery ladies, you’ve earned it …

Heres to you’re gender identity, you’re gay parades, & mass theft & imprisonment of innocent men

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Opus May 28, 2012 at 07:47

@Charles Martel

I am always very much in two minds about Game. Not being walked all over is one thing, but the guys who have the highest partner counts merely seem to have to walk into a room for women to feel the irresistable urge to rip off their knickers. A guy I know at the moment (who is apparently successful with women, good looking in a Film Villain sort of way and muscular) is very quietly spoken – almost the opposite of what Game seems to encourage. Walking up and down Oxford Street chatting up visiting East Europeans and then retiring to the confines of a pub loo to have sex does not impress me very much, really.

As you correctly agreed it is often the biggest fish who are troubled by allegations of Rape – take that big black world champion heavyweight boxer whose name I forget – some chick went back to his room and then cried Rape. What (given his seemingly low IQ) did she suppose he was proposing – a discussion of the finer points of Kant’s First Critique? These are guys who not only can score pretty easily (one would suppose) but who can otherwise effortlessly buy sex should they be caught short – as it were.

I was wondering as to your views about the T.A. officer who after two alleged Rapes and an alleged Sexual Assault was finally gaoled for a third Rape last week. Last I heard, TA officers were very desirable to women – all those muscles. I am rather suspecting that what his ‘victims’ did not like, was his technique, but as I said on the previous thread I am often less than impressed with female technique, but can I sue for being disappointed?

The dividing line between being too tame and being too aggressive is a very fine one to balance – and something that of course a woman never has to negotaite, as she lies back and thinks of England. Allegations of Rape or inappropriate sexual conduct (as with Amanda Watson) the lift-girl at the Atheist Confernce in Dublin seem to say far more about the immaturity of the woman than about the man. Time to bring back chaperones, I say. The sight of the State pedestalising the sluttiest of women would be funny were it not so tragic for the hapless male victims.

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keyster May 28, 2012 at 08:03

Prosecutors have immunity against law suits for cases they’ve handled.
That’s the law.

But again, I am troubled that register-her.com does not seem to have anyone adding new female criminals to the database. Is that site no longer being updated?

Between the web site and the BlogTalk radio shows, the AVfM team has stretched itself pretty thin to manage the Register-her data base too. Paul works full-time and anyone that helps him, such as JTO, works part-time (along with their day job)…and I mean actual WORK.

N.O.W. has about 500,000 members paying at least $20 a year in membership dues. That’s $10 Million per year, not including corporate extortion money and charitable endowment receipts, which probably come close to doubling that.

Imagine what the MRM could do if it had the funds to employ hundreds in offices throughout the cuntry. But we don’t.

If anyone would like to volunteer to manage the register-her database, I’m sure they’d appreciate the help.

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Charles Martel May 28, 2012 at 08:22

Heres to you’re gender identity, you’re gay parades, & mass theft & imprisonment of innocent men

Reminds me of something I saw recently – a college professor’s comment on a student’s essay. “There, their and they’re. Get it right, your in college now!

Anyone who doesn’t get it, sign-up sheets for remedial English are on my desk. LOL.

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Georice81 May 28, 2012 at 08:59

I have talked to a good number of women who claimed that their first sexual experience was a rape. This led me to think and to read many interesting articles. The bottom line was that these women wanted to have sex but couldn’t see themselves do it “on purpose” because of religious/family/moral imperatives. So they did everything to put themselves in a position where they would get raped. Of course once they had sex (I wouldn’t call it rape) they would cry and complain that they were raped! After that, since they were deflowered they thought that it no longer mattered if they had sex or not.

The problem with this way of thinking is how many innocent guys got put in jail and had their reputation destroyed?

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keyster May 28, 2012 at 09:06

Anyone who doesn’t get it, sign-up sheets for remedial English are on my desk. LOL.

Are skools dont teetch writin so good.
We dont be firin bat teachers cuase theyre unyons won;t lettuce.
Its da troof!

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Rob May 28, 2012 at 09:14

One thing that needs to be addressed in our legal systems is this whole nonsense of taking one crime and then charging people with three things for it, so as to encourage a plea bargain/guilty confession to the lesser charge.

This happened to my cousin. Basically, a girl two years younger than him had a crush on him and was the one always fawning over HIM – he was 16 and she was 14. He was sexually inexperienced, and went in for a boob feel and screwed it up – she pushed his hand away and said “no” then they kept making out, so he tried again…

Anyway, a year down the road, she decided that he had rayyyyyyped her, and went running to her teacher, embellished the story to him, and the teacher then got the police involved.

My cousin got charged with Rape, Sexual Assault and Sexual Harassment. The top two included the threat of jail time – serious jail time for rape. Sexual Harassment, no jail time.

During the whole process, he was encouraged to plead guilty to sexual harassment in the hopes the other two charges would be dropped… which he did.

Before the court case, it became obvious that the girl was lying – there were so many holes in her story, she had no hope in hell of being credible in court… the whole thing was dropped before court, but my cousin had already plead guilty to sexual harassment – and they didn’t let that drop. He is permanently on the sex-offender registry for this, and the prosecutor got his conviction… and the feminists got another statistic to flaunt at the public.

Basically, it is blackmail. You choose between taking your chances on a rape conviction, even if you have a strong case, you might still lose and spend the majority of your life in prison, or you can cop right now to a lesser crime and have no jail time.

It’s a scam, and this bullshit in the court system needs to be changed. Lots of people who are “guilty” were basically blackmailed into pleading that way.

Somebody threatens to kill you… you can probably defeat them, but there is a 25% chance you will lose and die… or you can give $1,000 and not take the risk at all. It is 100% blackmail, and should be recognized as such.

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Poester99 May 28, 2012 at 09:20

His accuser, Wanetta Gibson, was a high school sophomore when she accused Banks, then 17, of raping her in 2002 on the campus of Poly High School.

She received a $1.5 million payment from a civil suit brought by her mother against the Long Beach Unified School District for failing to provide a safe environment.


Brooks said that Banks is entitled to $100 a day for every day he was falsely imprisoned under State Law 4900.
If successful, the lawsuit against the state of California would net Banks about $188,500.

Wow.. it certainly is a man’s world.

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Anonymous May 28, 2012 at 09:22

28 May 2012 9:10am

Mentions of Wanetta Gibson at bitchmagazine.org: none.
Mentions of Wanetta Gibson at feminist.com: none.
Mentions of Wanetta Gibson at feminist.org: none.
Mentions of Wanetta Gibson at feministfrequency.com: none.
Mentions of Wanetta Gibson at jezebel.com: none.
Mentions of Wanetta Gibson at msmagazine.com: none.
Mentions of Wanetta Gibson at mencanstoprape.org: none.
Mentions of Wanetta Gibson at now.org: none.

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Eximio May 28, 2012 at 09:39

Just checked out register-her.com

I like the idea. It is much needed.

But the site – at least as far as I can tell – needs some work. No, not to make it more pretty. The problem is lack of “content.” Seems that the operators of this site are trying to find and post women on their own. It should allow the community to create content, do the work for them. E.g., allow men to post easily.

I suppose this might open up some liability issues, but I think that can be addressed. The community can do the editing based on some basic criteria, such as a requirement to have some sort of credible source reference.

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Norm May 28, 2012 at 10:28

I wonder if a man committed a crime (any crime) against a female and had her jailed then years later admitted he was lying. What would happen to him. I’m sure the courts would come down hard on him.

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continent May 28, 2012 at 10:50

Poester 99. Because of sc “Feres Doctrine” neither government nor Commander in Chief can be sued for soldiers death or injuries.

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Sharon Love’s lawsuit raises questions about coaches’ responsibilities
Athletics leaders increasingly expected to police players
May 24, 2012|By Tricia Bishop, The Baltimore Sun
Although a Charlottesville, Va., jury found one man — athlete George Huguely V — criminally responsible for the beating death of Yeardley Love, his former girlfriend and fellow lacrosse player at the University of Virginia, the young woman’s mother wants to hold his coaches culpable, too.

Sharon Love, of Cockeysville, filed a $29.5 million civil suit this month against the state of Virginia, which operates the university; the school’s athletic director; and two of its men’s lacrosse coaches. It claims they failed in their duty to protect Love from Huguely, who had a history of alcohol abuse and violence toward her and others.

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Opus May 28, 2012 at 10:55

It is a running joke over here the way Americans sue for trillions of dollars for the slightest piece of bad luck. By the way Happy Decorations Day! :)

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3DShooter May 28, 2012 at 10:58

@freebird

I found the kangaroo family kourt judge’s home through property records on-line – and that of my attorney and her attorney. I’m not saying you will find them all that way, but it is a good place to start.

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Joe May 28, 2012 at 11:01

I’m not an attorney or a legal expert. I’m not sure from reading the article if his time in jail is deleted from the official police/prison files, or will his time in prison always be on his record? Will prospective employers think he is a guilty convict when they run a background check on him?
I hope all record of his prison time is expunged from the records. Or does it stay, and become another obstacle he’s going to have to face?
If anyone knows about this aspect of the story, I’d be interested in knowing what happens in regards to his public record.

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freebird May 28, 2012 at 11:10

If you think has judge has engaged in misconduct, your recourse is to ask that same judge to judge himself and recuse himself from the appeal.

Kinda like the fox watching the hen house.
Who would point the finger at themselves?
They only do that with insider deals and good friends/business partners.

Good luck with any civil suits either.
Part of the original process is to deny/suppress evidence of that.

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Pops May 28, 2012 at 11:27

Here is his Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/TheBrianBanksStory

and website:

http://brianbanks.org/

Twitter account:

http://twitter.com/#!/Ok_Banks

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 13:09

LOL—the troll Rmaxd calls for a slave revolt.

‘Britain already has slave labor camps!’

Really?

We do have such camps, here in the States, Dummy. They’re run by the Prison-Industrial Complex and mostly use men for labor.

‘All these women on welfare, they are the new slaves, the new serfs!’

That’s quite a novel take on slavery and serfdom: getting money and benefits from the State just for getting knocked up out wedlock.

‘The new slave labor force will be made up of black women and white women!’

Really? The only ones I know of working like slaves are the productive men who fork over taxes, alimony, and support-payments to keep these ‘enslaved women’ happy.

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slwerner May 28, 2012 at 17:02

Eric – ”The falsely accused men should launch civil and criminal complaints against the prosecutors, police departments, and media scum who really profitted off the whole venture.”

Yes, any and all who can be shown to have deliberately and knowingly acted in ways which contributed to the injustice need to be held accountable. But you left the most obvious and most likely culprit off of your list…his own defense counsel.

From the Associated Press Story:
Brian Banks, now 26, pleaded no contest 10 years ago on the advice of his lawyer…

What sort of coward would advise a client to plead guilty to a rape charge when there was A) a lack of physical evidence that he and she had even had sex, B) documents contradictions in her story regarding the alleged (non-)rape [she told some friends that it happened in an elevator, and others that it was a stair well, C) a history of he and she making out in the school stairwells (which must have been known to other students).

Lack of physical evidence and contradictions in (alleged) victims statements are a prosecutors nightmare in a “he said/she said” rape claim scenario. Any half-way decent defense attorney would have a field day with these. And even without such “ammunition”, the conviction rate for “he said/She said” cases is very low.

It’s almost expectable for a prosecutor who’s had a piece of crap case like the one against Brian Banks to make a “Hail Mary” attempt to scare a defendant with the specter of the dire consequences of a conviction at trial. What is shocking is to read about it actually ending up in a defense attorney advising a client to confess.

That said, given that there was no physical evidence and contradictory statements, it would seem fairly certain that police, prosecutors and perhaps even the judge (provide that he/she was given that info – which is not a given in that the case did not got to trial) SHOULD have known that his actual “guilt” was questionable.

I’ve been unable to find any news items from 2002 on this case, so it’s hard to tell how just how culpable anyone other than the woman might actually have been.

The police investigators may have been over-zealous in their interrogations, or they may have simply done what is (sadly) routine, and passed the case along to the prosecutors with what little they had, dumping the responsibility onto the DA’s Office to decide what to do with a POS case.

Given what I know of the way prosecutorial decisions are made, I’d have expected the prosecutor to have decline such a case for prosecution. Most “he said/she said” cases are never bound-over for trial (See RAINN stats).

In this regard, I’d put more of the onus for having made a very bad judgment on the prosecutor (as opposed to either the police or the judge). He/She may have believed they been given a gift from Heaven when Banks lawyer advised him to confess; but, I still feel that they should have been skeptical. Perhaps the apparent ease of getting a confession served to sweep away any doubts they had regarding his guilt – if he said he did it, it’s not really their job to talk him out of it.

So, while I would not exonerate either the prosecutor nor even the police in this one, I still have to say that it seems that the worst of the worst of the culprits here was the defense attorney who seems to have chickened-out (remember, Banks was advised to plead, rather than simply choosing himself to plead) in the face of such favorable odds.

I do like the idea of a registry for those who can be shown to have acted in malicious and unlawful ways in causing injustices (I think it would be hard to show in the Banks case, however). Or, short of that, a “Wall Of Shame” where the names of those who lazily “just did their jobs” can be posted as a reminder that a lack of due diligence can lead to terrible injustices.

And, I’d be remiss not to raise the reminder that while police, prosecutors, judges, new reporters, the public at-large, and even defense attorneys do not have crystal balls which allow them to divine the truth of what actually occurred, Wanetta Gibson absolutely did know all along. She could have chosen to have put a stop to the march towards injustice at any point. Yet she persisted in what we know to have been lies. We cannot know what wrong-doing anyone else might have engaged in, but we do certainly know of her’s.

As is almost always the case, no one is more guilty, no more to blame for both making the false allegations and any and all harms that come from them than are those who choose to make them. No obsession with trying to transfer the primary culpability onto patriarchal institutions (law enforcement & the criminal justice system) can ever change this reality. Nor, do I believe, should we even consider exoneration for accusers regardless of any subsequent wrong-doing by others (Nifong clearly conspired to hide exculpatory evidence and preceded with a malicious prosecution, but Crystal Gail Mangum is still the biggest offender in that sad affair. Nifong certainly engaged in the worst modern known case of prosecutorial misconduct, but we should never forget that the only reason he was able to do so was because Mangum lied, and stuck to her lie).

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slwerner May 28, 2012 at 17:17

Joe – “I’m not sure from reading the article if his time in jail is deleted from the official police/prison files, or will his time in prison always be on his record? Will prospective employers think he is a guilty convict when they run a background check on him?”

It will matter little if his official record is expunged or not, his name and the false-crime he confessed to are all over the Internet. And, today’s back-ground searches will often rely more on what can be gleaned via the Internet than what can be found via official documentation (a persons Facebook accounts and pictures of their drunken partying can easily out-weigh a multitude of strong letters of recommendation from highly reliable source in a job being denied, for instance).

Pierce Harlan (founder of The False Rape Society) has made a point to reinforce this sad fact at every possible opportunity. Much of the damage done by any false rape allegation cannot be “scrubbed away” because it does end up in the public domain via the Internet – forever!

In Brian Banks favor, however, is the corollary fact that the news of his acquittal and his accusers “confession” is also equally available (I tried digging out any info from 2002, but everything I found was about his exoneration. In this, he is far better off that the majority of men who’ve been falsely accused. Many who were never even formally charged, but merely had the misfortune of having been named as a rape suspect in the news, find that they cannot get jobs due to the on-line availability of the news of their having been implicated (with or without any news of their having been cleared of the allegation).

This is part of the larger, and often seemingly hidden, insidiousness of false rape allegations. Police don’t even have to believe a woman’s allegation in the first place for a man to be subsequently convicted in the court of public opinion anyway.

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 17:27

Slwerner:
That brings up a good point. I have had very strong suspicions about just how zealously defence lawyers actually work for their clients, ESPECIALLY public defenders. If there are vested interests involved in getting a conviction the defense attorney, at the very least, can’t help but realize that there could be personal consequences if he secures something other than the desired outcome.

It’s sort of like a baseball umpire who knows he officiating at rigged games.

The Duke False-Rape Case was one of the worst; although the ‘Wenatchee Sex Ring Case’ we had out here in the ultra-PC northwest during the 1990s was practically in a class all by itself for prosecutorial miscounduct and media witch-hunting. That incident spawned the whole cottage industry of false accusations out here that Price alluded to earlier. If I remember correctly, there were over a hundred people arrested on false accusations during that pogrom. The Internet wasn’t as strong back then, but some activists on local talk-radio finally exposed it and put a stop to it.

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3DShooter May 28, 2012 at 17:33

@slwerner

“What sort of coward would advise a client to plead guilty to a rape charge . . .”

A predator attorney who isn’t getting her/his palms sufficiently greased by his client – which is most of them.

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slwerner May 28, 2012 at 18:14

3DShooter – ”A predator attorney who isn’t getting her/his palms sufficiently greased by his client”

Oddly, some of the most zealous defense work comes from that of public defenders – except in those cases wherein men are accused of crimes against women.

The lack of new from 2002 has left me unable to determine if Brian Banks had private counsel or was eligible for a public defender.

If he did have a public defender, then there was no (direct*) profit motive to get Banks to confess. If a public defender did go against Banks’ interests in advising him to plead, despite the apparent strength of his case, it might have been due to (her) lack of desire to defend a man accused of rape.

Just my speculation – which is, of course, evidence of nothing; just my speculation.

* Public defenders typically go into private defense work after building a reputation for zealously defending the accused, so their (profit) motive is to take cases to trial – to gamble with clients lives/freedoms on the chance of getting an reputation-building acquittal. They risk nothing, as they are expected to lose most cases, so any win is seen as an over-achievement based on their skill and hard work. That is what will allow them to charge top-dollar once they’ve gone private.

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Joe May 28, 2012 at 18:41

@slwerner
Thank you for the information I have a better understanding of the whole situation now, in regards to Banks and also the false charge situation in general. I appreciate it.

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 18:45

Slwerner:
Whenever I hear of these cases, my intuition tells me that the accuser is usually no more than the ‘cats-paw’ in the whole thing. I think especially of the Kobe Bryant Case. The accuser there had such a well-documented history of false accusations that the prosecutor & media couldn’t help but known of its existence.

I’m thinking a route that lawyers who defend men should pursue might be something like this: bring charges against the false accuser; but then make a ‘plea bargain’ with her in exchange for implicating corrupt prosecutors and others who egged her on. Then prefer charges against these higher-ups. That was the same tactic Guiliani used successfully in NY to bring down mobsters who previously couldn’t be touched.

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Art Vandelay May 28, 2012 at 19:28

Whenever I hear of these cases, my intuition tells me that the accuser is usually no more than the ‘cats-paw’ in the whole thing. I think especially of the Kobe Bryant Case. The accuser there had such a well-documented history of false accusations that the prosecutor & media couldn’t help but known of its existence.

The problem is that there is “rape shield” law, you can’t use past sexual behavior when defending a client against a rape charge and it’s not the prosecutors job to defend the accused…

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slwerner May 28, 2012 at 19:32

Eric – ”The accuser there had such a well-documented history of false accusations …”

???

Actually, I’m quite a bit more familiar with the Kobe Bryant are than are most, and I have never heard any word of Katelyn Farber having ever made a false accusation prior to accusing Kobe.

Now, what was well known (amongst those who knew her) was that she was a notorious slut. This is what Kobe’s attorney, Pamela Mackey so brilliantly played to by getting her name out to the public – she was “poisoning” the potential jury pool as once her name was known, her reputation would follow by word-of-mouth to those in Eagle county who didn’t already know of her.

The prosecutions case fell apart primarily because the DNA evidence came back demonstrating semen from other men as well as from Bryant. This would have allowed for the “piercing” of Colorado’s Rape Shield Laws via the “(possible) alternate suspect” exception. Once this was clear, the DA pressed her about continuing, and she declined to cooperate further (not wanting to end up perjuring herself?), and opted to instead go with a civil proceeding instead.

Of course, Kobe foolishly folded (apparently hoping to avoid further damage to the retail value of his name), and she walked away with a handsome settlement.

The reason, it seems, for her decision to conclude that she had been raped was that she has wanted to have sex with him (a Star-F*cker’s dream/herself a wannabe star) had not wanted to have anal sex, but Bryant apparently managed to convince/coerce her into it anyway.

Eric – ”bring charges against the false accuser; but then make a ‘plea bargain’ with her in exchange for implicating corrupt prosecutors and others who egged her on.”

I doubt this happens much at all. The real problem is not that anyone in the criminal justice system eggs-on false accusers, but rather that they are far to inclined to believe what the women claim. And, under the “Victims’ Rights Acts” in the states, women who wish to see a false rape allegation pushed forward have enhanced power to make it happen (thus the term “victim-driven prosecution”). Most people do not realize it, but a “he said/she said” rape case is a prosecutors nightmare. There is heavy expectations on them to win all rape cases, and yet they know all to well that “he said/she said” cases have a low conviction rate.

Most prosecutors are Type-A personalities who hate to loose, but loosing a rape case has the added downside that they WILL be seen as having let a woman down – and many woman whose cases end in acquittals are very vocal about their dissatisfaction with the prosecutors efforts.

And to this that rape require not only extra hours of preparation, but can be quite costly (DNA testing, expert witnesses, etc.) Thus, rape cases that are not likely to result in a conviction are a huge gamble for a prosecutor to take on. This IS why most “he said/She said” cases are decline for prosecution.

Police and prosecutors certainly bear a sizable amount of culpability for some aspects of false rape allegations moving forward, but it is extremely doubtful that they wish to selectively prosecute false claims against innocent men. It may sometime seem that they do, but it is more likely simply human error in too readily believing a woman over a man than it is a malicious intent.

The people who are most likely to have egged on a false accuser are family, friends, and paid victims’ advocates. And, not only do these people seldom have “deep pockets”, suing them would require proving that that they knowing encouraged false testimony.

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Eric May 28, 2012 at 19:45

Slwerner:
Thanks for the clarification; I was going from memory and remembered something about the accuser in the Kobe case having a ‘reputation’.

I agree that the plea bargain approach is rarely done, but I was throwing it out as a hypothetical approach. Faced with a lengthy prison sentence as an alternative, a false accuser might cut a deal to implicate some of the people you mention. The object would be to go after the enablers—rather than the accuser—and lock a few of them up instead. Throwing it into the criminal, rather than the civil, venues. I think that would break the false-accusation industry even faster than tougher enforcement on false accusers.

I’d add to that too that if the media were found to have been deliberately concealing facts they too could be held liable. An interesting unfolding story in England is the Murdoch scandal; that might set some interesting precedents for challenging the media’s conduct here.

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freebird May 28, 2012 at 20:58

Repeat after me:
‘I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!”

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Opus May 29, 2012 at 01:32

You all seem to think that the legal system is some perfect and smoothly running machine where every point for the defence is given full consideration; where all defence attorney’s are 100% up to the job; where papers never go missing; where lawyers never turn up in court the worse for wear from the previous night; where all jury members arrive without prejudice and are equally capable; and where prejudice of any sort on the part of the Judge is inconceivable, and thus it would be impossible for there to be a miscarriage of Justice.

I regret to tell you, that if that is what you all think, then you are sorely mistaken.

What actually happens is, that Defence Counsel pull out at the last moment (double and treble booking); the papers are not read in advance (believe me I have gone into court barely knowing which party I was representing); papers go missing but the case must go on; Counsel have different levels of ability; some are actually very nervous in court (advocacy is very demanding I can assure you if you have never tried it, for as soon as you embark ona sentence you are stuck with it even if half way through you think better of it – unlike an actor you do not have a script – which is why the court day is limited to about four hours); some aren’t feeling well; or are worrying about their personal problems and the Judge frequently loses interest and falls asleep, and the Jury want to go home too. All that is apart from any tricks and scams that the lawyers get up to – ‘stealing’ their opponents robes, deliberately producing fake documents; attempting to distract opposing Counsel as he addresses the Judge and so on.

It’s not like that on Telly, I know.

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slwerner May 29, 2012 at 07:12

Eric – ”I’d add to that too that if the media were found to have been deliberately concealing facts they too could be held liable.”

Eric,

I appreciate your zeal, but I’m afraid you might have gotten misdirected. There is no affirmative duty upon the press/media to report anything. The only constraint they are under is to not knowingly report false information (which is why they are so fond of quoting third parties to get across lies and half-truths – they are covered because all they are doing is factually reporting what someone else has said). The hacking scandal has elements of the deliberate invasion of personal privacy and of lying under oath. It’s not about what they reported, or chose not to report, but about how they got the information.

The thing about trying to “wrap” other parties into the guilt of a lying false accuser is that it is only very seldom that anyone but that accuser knows the truth (absolutely and for certain) about their lie and their reason for making that lie.

Most of those who will “side” with here are simply acting as useful idiots rather than malicious conspirators. They just believe her BS, be they the police investigators, the prosecutors, the judge, the press, the public, or even the jury. They acted “incorrectly”, but not “illegally”.

Nifong knew that the DNA results obtained from Crystal Gail Mangum revealed that she had had the semen of multiple other men in her – but not the DNA of any member of the entire Lacrosse Team (you might recall that save for the one black player, they all got tested), and he had already interviewed her boyfriend/pimp so it was known that he had driven her around to several hotels in order to have sex with paying clients in the time prior to her going to the house party. And, as has been revealed, Nifong conspired with the lab director to keep the DNA evidence concealed from the defense and the public. He didn’t just blindly believe her and push the prosecution forward without due regard – he deliberately pushed forward a case where he knew the evidence would lead to an exoneration.

In contrast the typical prosecutor who takes a case to trial doesn’t have any way of knowing if the alleging victim is telling the truth or not, and they cannot act simply on their judgment that they “might” be lying. They can only decline to prosecute based on an articuable and defensible position that they are unlikely to be able to win a case. [In the rare event that an alleging victim should actually inform a prosecutor that they have lied, then the prosecutor does have an affirmative duty to report this to both the court and to the defense. My wife’s first encounter with an FRA happened that way, with the liar revealing that she had fooled everyone all throughout the process in the days just before the trial was to have begun.]

The same applies to police investigators, who (if you read the accounts documented at the FRS/CotWA) often don’t believe a woman’s claims, yet who must be able to disprove the claim before they can drop it (which is why they so often confront accusers with any inconsistencies in either statements or evidence in order to gain a recantation).

Thus, that the police will often forward a dubious case on to the prosecutors is not an indication that they absolutely believed the accuser nor that they had it in for a man, but may simply be that they were unable to obtain irrefutable proof that the claim was a lie.

There are, of course, still way too many cases where some cops, some prosecutors, and some judges do “have it in” for some poor innocent man; but for the most part their personal risk (to career, future employment, and even incarceration) is far to great relative to the minor personal reward of winning a given case. Obviously, it does happen, but it’s just not going got be that common. Outside of a few truly man-hating lesbian legal activists (like Mary Kellet), few are going to feel personally invested in a routine alleged rape case enough to take on the great personal risks.

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Doc May 29, 2012 at 08:58

When I was in grad-school had a friend on the gymnastics team accused of rape. Everyone who was there gave the same story – the woman was pissed her boyfriend blew her off and was looking to get laid. She disappeared with the guy, about an hour later they were back, she was all over him. Fortunately being a party there were pictures to show how the accuser was interacting with the accused afterwards – her hand down his pants, tongue down his throat. The girl found her BF blew her off because his mother died – so she needed an excuse for slutting around. So she chose the tried and true, for women, “I was raped” cliche’.

Now you would think it would have been thrown out. Nope, he was thrown in jail – lost his scholarship, couldn’t make bail since he was being made an “example of”, so flunked out that semester. Well, it finally came to trial and was thrown out – the Judge stopped it. Now the prosecutor had all of the photos showing her before and after, didn’t matter. So what happens? His life is ruined – her’s nothing, not a frickin thing. Having seen that in person, I have to say that if a woman is crying rape, she better be beaten to a pulp and even then I’d be very wary since I know how women like to be smacked around, so unless someone saw it, I have reasonable doubt.

I can’t do anything about the lame-a** laws but I can use jury-nullification and it only takes one man who’s seen it in person to say, “Not Guilty” and stick to it.

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MaMu1977 May 29, 2012 at 11:16

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/thugs-nabbed-eight-year-rape-saga-brooklyn-woman-article-1.132223

For all of its flaws, the Banks case did have a plausible set-up.
This case,OTOH, screamed “She’s lying!”, at the outset. Unless, of course, you’re the type of person who believes that *4* men would be willing to split the earnings of *1* “forced” prostitute.

“Obnoxious, privileged asshole rapes innocent girl” is a trope that can be found as far back as the bible.
“Four men from two different age groups, raping and prostituting one girl for eight years, without her parents or friends or the local law-enforcement members of her.incredibly insular and racist ethnic group noticing anything”, is absurd to the point of impossibility. It’s like Lewis Carroll tried his hand at crime fiction.

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Art Vandelay May 29, 2012 at 12:28

“Four men from two different age groups, raping and prostituting one girl for eight years, without her parents or friends or the local law-enforcement members of her.incredibly insular and racist ethnic group noticing anything”, is absurd to the point of impossibility.

Yeah I thought that kind of story was the crock of shit that was used back in the day when people went around lynching black guys. Have you checked the comments? People seem to get fed up with womens nonesense, I’ve noticed that a lot lately.

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Andrew May 29, 2012 at 16:09

Yes, chuckle you may at Islamic Nations under Sharia Law requiring a woman to bring forth 4 male witnesses of her rape before any prosecution can commence against an alleged rapist.

Yahweh said it best… No person shall be convicted of ANY crime unless 2 or more witnesses attest to the crime. Furthermore any false accuser shall get the same punishment that the “framed” party would have received.

You realise that the crime of “Date Rape’ was not recognised by the Police prior to the 1960s… if an unmarried woman was calling upon a (horny) Gentlemen at his place after a date late in the evening … and some blouse button poppin’ occured she was an unchaste foolish woman really askin’ for it… and defacto No means Yes…. just the same as walking around Ghetto alleyways in a thong bikini at 2AM would be.

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Jim May 29, 2012 at 17:58

Come guys quit whining and complaining and actually do something…we have all been through, to varying degrees the very corrupt feminist controlled court systems…I have found the politicians who keep this corrupt system going, do not like being taught the actual laws of the land, and being shown how they are “obstructing justice” and therefore subject to charges under the criminal code..so guys..get yourself a pocket criminal code book costs about 50 bucks, and study it..most copies have the Charter/Constitution act in there..Did you know the preamble first line is “Canada is a nation founded under the princples that recognize the supremacy of God, and the rule of law”…this means EVERYONE IS EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW..supposedly…but until we point out to the corrupt potiticians and court officials..whining and complaining will do nothing..zero..get proactive by studying, learning your rights under law, and then start pointing them out to the corrupt ones in charge!

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Ted May 29, 2012 at 18:59

“Come guys quit whining and complaining ”

Nope.

We should whine and complain like a buzz saw cutting into corrugated iron.

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Zorro May 30, 2012 at 03:25

@Walking in Hell: Shariah Law regards the testimony of a female at one-quarter that of a man, not one half. It takes four women’s testimony to equal that of one man.

I lived in Saudi Arabia for four years. That’s 16 in girl years.

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Rebel May 30, 2012 at 17:05

I wonder who invented the myth that real men don’t cry. A misandrist, for sure. What better way to say that men are insensitive bastards?

I can think of a legion of reasons why even the toughest man would cry.

I had to give up my little dog for adoption: my health situation prevented me from taking good care of it. And guess what I did after my little dog was taken away…

That’sright: I burst into tears. And every time I think about my wonderful little animal, I feel that familiar lump in my throat.

Men will cry when suffering, just the same way women do. There is no shame in recognizing pain and in expressing it.

The myth that real men don’t cry is just that: a myth.

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Attila May 30, 2012 at 19:07

Women SEEM to change their mind constantly – but at the bottom of all that is the impersonal, ancient, mineral-like logic of reproduction and resource-gathering (attention and otherwise).

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Attila May 30, 2012 at 19:11

Regarding pain — the thing that gets to me personally is to see someone get hurt in the process of trying to help someone else who isn’t necessarily related to them (9-11 firemen, buddies-at-war, and such).

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Bleh June 2, 2012 at 13:20

@ Anonymous age 70

Because those questions are bull. Being in someone’s room at 2AM, even with the intent to have sex, does not give a man the right to do anything and everything he might want to do to her. Consent for one sexual act is not consent for ALL sexual acts. If a woman wants to have vaginal sex, and the man then forces her to have anal sex, THAT IS RAPE.

Also, just because she had consensual sex with him before, doesn’t mean he can’t rape her. Having sex with someone willingly doesn’t mean you ALWAYS want sex from them 24/7 at any time your partner might want it. Having sex does not invalidate your rights as a human being. That’s why past sexual history is not relevant. Everyone has the right to decide who has sex with them, and when and where and how, regardless of anything else. Women’s bodies are not public property.

Only 2% of rape allegations are false, 60% of rapes are not reported at all, and no more than 2% of rapists spend any time in jail. Sorry guys the statistics just aren’t on your side. Not actual reliable ones anyway.

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Bleh June 2, 2012 at 13:25

Do I think women never falsely accuse someone of rape? Of course it happens sometimes, but it’s not nearly as widespread a problem as you think. You’re just taking single isolated cases where you believe the woman lied, but if you look at the statistics around rape it paints a completely different picture than what most people believe.

It’s also important to keep in mind that, lack of evidence that the rape occurred does not automatically mean the accuser lied. It just means lack of evidence.

It’s also VERY common for women to go back to their abusers and even defend them, and sometimes even say they lied about being raped just because the trial is proving to be too traumatic. I’m not saying that’s the case here, but the media doesn’t know everything that the jury knows and I think it’s unfair to judge the situation.

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Opus June 5, 2012 at 04:20

@Bleh

I see that you are the latest False Rape supporter on this blog: welcome.

By the way, forced Anal sex is NOT rape. Rape is, per vaginum. You women do NOT get to make up law, as suits you, as it goes along.

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Opus June 5, 2012 at 07:23

ps

If I were ever in a room with a woman at 2 am I can assure Bleh that I would not at any time make any move on whatesoever, indeed I would not even offer a cup of coffee (for fear she would interpret that as a form of unsolicited sexual advance). I would in fact leave her where she is (probably sitting on the floor – which is what girls tend to do – as thewy regress to childhood behaviour) and go to bed alone, informing her that if she chooses to leave she must make her own way out. I can also guarantee that she will be jumping into bed with me unsolicited within five minutes.

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Bleh June 10, 2012 at 19:16

Forced sex of any kind is rape according to the law. Anal penetration and vaginal penetration alike are persecuted. You don’t get to rape people just because you don’t agree with the law against it.

Even if it wasn’t the law, do you think it’s morally correct to force a woman to have anal sex after she only consented to vaginal sex? Do you believe that once a person offers a blow job, they’ve given up ALL their rights to bodily autonomy and you now own them and can do whatever you want to them?

Sorry but equal rights doesn’t work that way.

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Bleh June 10, 2012 at 19:18

Somehow I doubt a girl is going to be jumping into your bed willingly. At least not ones that know you think it’s okay to rape them anally.

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