Dear Mom

by W.F. Price on May 13, 2012

I’ve never written anything here for Mother’s Day before, because I didn’t think it was all that relevant to the site. But we all have mothers, and for the most part we love them, and they love us.

So, in the spirit of Mother’s Day, I’ll write a few things I’m thankful for. Not too much, because mostly we appreciate our mothers privately, as the relationship between parent and child is intimate and deeply personal. But I do have to admit I got lucky. I’ve got a pretty good mom. Not all of my friends were so fortunate, but I sincerely hope more kids can say the same at some point in the future, despite how bleak it looks today.

So here goes…

Dear Mom,

Thanks for being an honorable woman. There’s little I appreciate about you more than your adherence to moral standards and your inherent sense of what’s right and wrong.

Thanks for being such a hard worker, and pulling us through some hard times. I know it wasn’t easy, and you deserve a lot of quality time in the garden and with the grandkids when you retire.

Thanks for staying healthy and setting a good example for me and my sister. We haven’t followed it perfectly, but it’s always been on our mind, and I’m convinced it’s helped prevent our habits from getting out of control.

Thank you for always being a great conversation partner. All those hours we’ve spent talking have enriched my life a great deal, and have given me the confidence and ability to stand up and speak my mind.

Thanks for never getting between me and my dad and his family. We all know he wasn’t perfect, but you let me love him and get to know him on my own terms, and you always treated him with humanity and decency, and I’ll be eternally grateful for that.

Finally, thanks for being an all-around decent person. Moms like you are a real treasure.

With gratitude

Your Son

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Rod May 13, 2012 at 17:28

Thanks for sharing that with us.

I think I lucked out too as far as mothers go. My mother, who just turned 91, belongs to a generation of hard-working and dedicated women. She supported my father in every way, and always put the interests of her family ahead of her personal satisfaction. I survey the entitlement princesses in the classes I teach for any glimmer of the same qualities in the upcoming generation, and see hints of it in only rarely.

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LastCrucible May 13, 2012 at 17:34

Dear Mom,

I’ve come to hate women. You’re a woman and therefore exhibit the same qualities and behavior patterns of your sisters. On some level, I’ve come to hate you. My new insights about the true nature of women may have all but ruined my capacity (or desire) to ever attempt to establish a meaningful bond with a woman in the future. I am profoundly wounded and likely in a permanent state of shock as a result of the truth about women’s nature being unveiled to me.

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e3 May 13, 2012 at 17:37

Lol at the above post…HERE’s a link as to why your mom shouldn’t dump your dad for a new man.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-girl-killed-20120505,0,3088155.story

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DevilDog May 13, 2012 at 17:41

Mother’s Day is stupid, just like Father’s Day. Hallmark holiday bullshit.

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LastCrucible May 13, 2012 at 17:46

Knowing that women are literally just parasites without the capacity to truly bond with or care about men is something I’m still trying to get my head around. I’ve asked myself, “If women haven’t the capacity to appreciate ethics/principles/morals, then are they actually worthy of moral consideration themselves?” Since women have no genuine, abstract/spiritual sense of right and wrong, of moral behavior, how can women be worthy of moral consideration? We all know women have no qualms about destroying their own children, let alone men/fathers, if it means her ‘feelings’ remain intact. How can that creature have any real claim to moral consideration?

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Suz May 13, 2012 at 18:00

I think I would like your mom. The world needs more like her.

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Suz May 13, 2012 at 18:01

LastCrucible,
Keep asking. There’s more, and you might find it.

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CubanGuy May 13, 2012 at 18:46

My mother says – and I agree- that Mother’s Day is every day.

As I get older- it dawns on me how decent both of my parents have been.

(She can’t stand Amerikunts, LOL.)

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Jennifer May 13, 2012 at 18:46

I think your mom will be thankful today too, Price :) Thanks for honoring a good mother.

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Jennifer May 13, 2012 at 18:49

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CubanGuy May 13, 2012 at 18:52

.
I think hate is misplaced. One can only hate fully that which is on one’s own level.

Keep your enemies closer, I say (and learn from their bag of trixxx.)

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HurleyHacker May 13, 2012 at 18:59

Fuck My bio “Mother” and the horse you rode in on. You fucked over 4 children. You are a fucking waste of human debris. 8 years since I communicated with you worthless pieces of shit. Life is good without pieces of shit like you.

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Boxer May 13, 2012 at 19:04

Dear HurleyHacker:

My mother was the typical hypergamous North American skank, a cunt completely devoid of any redeeming qualities whatever. I haven’t seen her since I was 18.

Life is good without pieces of shit like you.

Yessir. I know those sentiments firsthand and respect them. Sometimes all you can do is rejoice in the fact that you got away from that numbskull.

I do have a lot of respect for women like Rod’s mother, Bill’s mother and others. They’re in short supply these days.

Regards, Boxer

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Eric May 13, 2012 at 19:15

I remember a few months ago I was in a cafe having lunch and overheard two elderly women talking. They were talking about how worthless today’s women are. ‘I really feel sorry for men.’ one said ‘I don’t blame my gransons for not wanting to get married.’ The other mentioned that one of her sons married an Asian woman and that was the only happy marriage in her family.

One would be surprised at how many ‘Golden Years’ women would agree with a lot of what’s said here.

I remember both my grandmothers and one of my great-grandmothers. Today’s women couldn’t hold a candle to any of them, or my aunts, either.

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Eric May 13, 2012 at 19:20

Last Crucible, Hurley, & Boxer:

I don’t know how old any of you three are, but I’m willing to bet that you’re all under 40. Your descriptions are, unfortunately, typical of how men raised under the first generation of feminized mothers describe their experiences.

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Attila May 13, 2012 at 19:26

It’s good that posters are able to express what they rrrreally think about their mothers on this site without paranoid gynbot censorship.

I’d been posting a few zingers on the Washington Post today- but most got deleted without even showing the deletion notice.

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Einhard May 13, 2012 at 19:37

My mother just wanted me to be a nice guy, which meant that a lot of women screwed me over before I finally wised up.

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Anonymous age 70 May 13, 2012 at 19:50

My mother was essentially nuts. So was her mother, and I have always theorized so was her grandmother.

Until I was maybe 40 I thought she was normal, but I figured it out. I stopped visiting her. I felt her ancestral hatred and hostility had been passed through enough generations, and my kids were not going to be exposed to it.

My life got better from then on.

Some months before she died, I asked a sister if she thought after Mom died, I could park by the river, and wearing camo make it up into the cemetery, dig her up, drive the wooden stake in her heart, and have her covered up again before dawn. My sister must have laughed non-stop for five minutes.

The day of the burial, we were crowded under the canvas thing they put up over the grave for the family. I looked at the coffin, and said in a low voice. “Damn! There is a lock on that coffin. How can I get the wooden stake in her heart?”

You could hear her laughing a hundred yards away.

Mom’s family could not possibly have thought any worse of us, with the deliberate lies mom told them about us.

I do envy those like Welmer who had such good moms. A good mom is priceless.

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Andy May 13, 2012 at 20:16

Dear mom:

Thanks for your bipolar illness and for helping drive your husband into alcoholism, and for helping your daughter develop narcissistic personality disorder.

The lessons you provided me were neither direct, nor easy. Thanks to you, I learned from an early age who I did — and didn’t — want to be.

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Ted May 13, 2012 at 20:21
Anonymous This Time May 13, 2012 at 21:08

I will start with my Dad.. he was an asshole. He got into an arranged marriage (non-feminist India here) with her when she was 15, and bailed out after having a couple of kids, never to be concerned for us again. So we grew up in maternal home.
My mom overcame that pretty well, thanks to her parents and her older brother, and didnt look back. As she grew older, she typically got men to do things for her. And from what I could tell, she’s been pretty severe to the few men in her life, and devastating to one for sure.
Although she’s greatly concerned for my well being, she doesnt know shit about how well-being is achieved. She stays in India 6 months of the year, and I send her money..which she spends faster than you can count. Been doing this for 10 years.
Thanks to her pea-brain, she cant think 2-3 steps into the future and gets into all kinds of financial disasters that I have to bail her out of, again and again. She learns no lessons.. ever. “Independent” women my ass.

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Lysander Spooner May 13, 2012 at 21:19

My so-called “Mother” is a raging man hating feminist.

I do not have a relationship with her.

I may one day hear she died, I don’t care.

She beat me with a metal ladel as a young boy, I was defenseless. She chose that weapon after breaking a wooden hairbrush on my body.

After my ex-wife divorced me, kidnapped my children, stole my car, raped me in Family Court putting me in debt of over $300,000, and I got through living in my car, my “Mom” hugged her.

She degraded and derided my Dad after their divorce, so he and I moved 1500 miles away to get away from her, I was sixteen.

When I was 13 she started f*cking my sixth grade teacher who would sit at the kitchen table in his underwear drinking coffee on sunday morning acting as if this was ‘normal’.

I don’t hate her, I just can’t be around people like her, evil, self centered, self-rightous, and criminal, it is just not healthy, so I stay away.

I am an MRA.

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Geography Bee Finalist himself May 13, 2012 at 21:58

Dear my mother,

Thank you for putting up with me while I was embedded within your womb from about November 1980 until August 21, 1981. I realize that you could have aborted my ass. You also could have put me up for adoption to a less self-absorbed adoptive mother and father (I do not know what adoption laws were like in New York state circa August 1981).

Too bad for me (and my older sister and younger brother) that you only do things for your children if there is something in it for you because you view your children as investments.

I realize today that I succumb to peer pressure just like you do. However, I also disagree with you when you say that parents do, in fact, help their children because a childhood friend of mine’s grandparents lived ten time zones away from his parents and the friend’s grandparents would have needed visas, vaccinations, enough money to cover their travel expenses, and a lot of humility and patience to come to the eastern time zone of the United States in order to help out my friend’s parents.

As far as my father/your husband, I do not consider it laudable (I consider it laughable) that today (it is now May 14 in the eastern time zone of the US) is his sixty-third birthday and yet he still receives assistance from my paternal grandfather. As far as I am concerned, my father will always be a guido (as am I for the time being) solely because he refused to build his career far enough away from where he was raised that he could not be extricated from problems by his parents. I do not care what his three sisters (also biological and adoptive mothers) and the two brothers-in-law he has who are married to the second-born sister and the third-born sister (out of five siblings) or what his two former brothers-in-law do (within reason), but when I care enormously about the choices my father and mother make, I don’t fuck around.

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Anonymous May 13, 2012 at 22:05

My mother wasn’t too bad. A bit erratic and prone to occasional outbursts of violence. I remember when she burst a blood vessel in her hand hitting my brother. Her hand swelled up like a boxing glove which was kinda funny.

My dad was also not too bad – until I was about eleven. Then his personality seemed to change. He became emotionally and sometimes physically abusive towards me. As I grew older when he occasionally punched me I would suppress an overwhelming impulse to kill him. After leaving home at eighteen my relationship with my dad was quite distant.

Long after my dad died my sister got a little drunk and accidentally spilled the beans. My mother had cheated on my Dad. When I was about eleven. She had known for many years but of course, Team Vag always comes first.

My mom really wasn’t that bad. Quite good actually.

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Eric May 13, 2012 at 22:19

Before the feminists break in here with their shaming language about MRAs having ‘issues with their mothers’; I should point out that the stories being related here are not at all unique to MRM men. If I started added anecdotes, I could easily stretch this thread out to 100+ posts.

American women suck as mothers, and they hate children as much as they hate men.

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W.F. Price May 13, 2012 at 22:31

Before the feminists break in here with their shaming language about MRAs having ‘issues with their mothers’; I should point out that the stories being related here are not at all unique to MRM men. If I started added anecdotes, I could easily stretch this thread out to 100+ posts.

American women suck as mothers, and they hate children as much as they hate men.

-Eric

For sure. When I was driving up to Bellingham to pick up the kids on Friday, KISW’s “Men’s Room” had a feature asking “what’s the best and worst advice you got from mom?” and I was appalled by some of the stories, mostly from 20-somethings. The number of lousy mothers out there is staggering, yet we rarely hear a word about it. In fact, that’s one of the reasons I wrote this little post. I feel very fortunate that my mom wasn’t like that.

The reverence for women in American culture is OVER for people under 30. It really sucks for kids how utterly awful so many American women have become. Children know better than anyone the failings of their parents, so it makes me wonder what the consequences of all this will be as younger people come of age.

Joe May 13, 2012 at 22:52

The good thing about having a sane, truly traditional mother, is that you know how women are supposed to behave in a sane traditional society. Things weren’t always insanely dysfunctional the way they are today.

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Pirran May 13, 2012 at 22:57

On a related note (via fullofgraceseasonedwithsalt), how the church just loves yer, man….and yet it’s still somehow our fault.

http://fullofgraceseasonedwithsalt.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/mothers-day-third-highest-in-church.html

http://www.christianpost.com/news/mothers-day-church-attendance-third-highest-after-easter-christmas-fathers-day-last-74832/

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Eric May 13, 2012 at 23:12

Price,
You should see my own e-mail box. I get letters from my aunts, all 70+ years, who are struggling trying to raise their grandchildren. One my aunts has NINE kids in her house.

‘The consequences as younger people come of age’ are going to be bad enough; but it’s going to be even worse when the older generations die off and the current one is left to its own resources.

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Lysander Spooner May 13, 2012 at 23:12

Dear Dad:

Thank you for being my Father. Thank you for allowing me to escape a violent, abusive, cruel, man hating woman whose vagina I had no choice in passing though to enter this world. Thanks Dad for believing in me, I really did believe it when you would say, ‘Danny, you can do anything you want to do if you put your mind to it’. Thanks Dad for all the times you made it to my high school soccer games, you never missed. Dad, thanks for coaching me in the summers on youth soccer teams, even though your sports were tennis and basketball. Dad thanks for encouraging me to apply to

college and tryout for a DI program, thanks to you I got a scholarship. Thanks Dad for taking me out after every home game in college for a steak and a beer. Mommy dearest never sgepped foot on campus the entire time I was there. Thanks Dad, for disagreeing with me and making me defend my beliefs, you helped me to be able go think critically. Thanks Dad, for encouraging me
to apply to Medical school, I would not be the only Doctor in the
family today. And Dad, although you have passed, thanks for
being here in spirit through my struggles, with your words of
wisdom and something I may never experience again, your love.

Thanks Dad,
Your Son

wisdom and especially your love,
would not be the Doctor I am today without your

s

soccer games, in fact I can’t recall even one game that you were not

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Pirran May 13, 2012 at 23:21

My mother was reasonably sane, but my grandmother was, genuinely, certifiable. She responded to visitors by running upstairs and hiding under the bed and made my grandfather’s life (and her children’s) a living hell.

Ironically, he only agreed to look after her as a promise to his best buddy during the war if anything should happen to him (and who subsequently died). God, talk about no good deed goes unpunished. He was a brilliant man who had his life destroyed by a vengeful, bitter, shrewish and soul-crushingly cynical and selfish woman. Sadly, this in turn made my father (a fundamentally extremely good man) emotionally distant and unable to effectively relate to his sons. He plunged himself into his work in order to avoid having to deal with basic family interaction or conflict. All of this a leftover from the horrors of dealing with his mother.

It’s extraordinary how one woman can cause generations of conflict and disorder.

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VKH May 13, 2012 at 23:31

Lots of stories of mental illness in families here and I’m sorry to read this.

Two items:

First, there’s a quick summary on Wiki about the roles children can adopt when in dysfunctional households. It’s not set in cement, but it’s interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysfunctional_family#The_six_basic_roles

Second, a new survey of 1000 people in Australia has been published. It finds that the caregivers of mentally ill are often starting as early as adolescence and are really burned out by adulthood. Of course, to make matters worse at that age, teens feel stigmatized by mentally ill parents.

http://caregiveup.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/article-caregiving-for-the-mentally-ill-starts-in-adolescence/

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Eric May 13, 2012 at 23:50

VKH,
One of the things that ought to be addressed, too, are the numbers of women who bear kids with males whom they KNOW to be abusive and dysfunctional thugs. I actually know of one guy who had five kids with his wife. She put up with his abuse of her and the kids until he choked one to death and got sent to the pen for 7 years for manslaughter.

No sooner was he out of the slammer than he shacked up with a single mom (a successful career-woman, BTW) and she’s knocked out another kid with him.

And these bitches wonder why decent men want nothing to do with them?

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Leif May 13, 2012 at 23:58

Dear Mom,

Thank you for being the most supportive person in my life, starting from when I was a little boy to the young adult male I am today. I am also blessed your marriage of 35 years is strong, my father is still active in my life, and that I can count on the 4 siblings of mine you raised very well.

I look around today at my young female peers and feel nothing but disgust and revulsion. Whether it be their entitlement, selfishness, or high levels of cheating and promiscuity, I feel as though finding a needle in a haystack is easier than finding a good woman today.

Sometimes I wished I lived in an earlier age, when woman were brought up like you and were loyal, caring, compassionate, and put the needs of their family above themselves. I’m at a stage of my life where I feel why work, why be responsible, why not drink and smoke, why get married. There are very few good women left here that would provide me an incentive to be a more productive member of society.

I’m not sugar-coating it…Mom I am blessed 1000 times over to have had you as my mother. I only wish later in life I can meet the rare American girl who can have a son that will one day say the same to you.

Love, Leif

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Annonymous May 14, 2012 at 00:07

Mothers would certainly not live like dogs nor infantile parasites, if the socio-economic structures did not permit it nor could afford it. No person nor group has any right, that others do not also have as well.

Todays modern societies boasting advanced civilisation asserts that female excess and mother-omnipotence, is a human right entitlement, and is therefore unquestionable and unchallengeable. But this interminably poisons the well, since you can’t civilise society by attacking males alone.

It begets a society where conflict, violence, vengefullness, bastardy, unsympathy, callousity, cynicism, apathy and hosts of other evils are burgeoning instead of receding. Do these growing consequential ills not impact females as mothers themselves alongside unpersons by definition ?

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j24601 May 14, 2012 at 02:31

“Mother”

Thank you for persecuting me; an innocent child, your innocent child. Thank you for emotionally crippling my bother, sisters and me; you can be proud of your work; we have failed spectacularly in our lives, thanks to you. Why the hell did you bother having children?

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Opus May 14, 2012 at 03:46

This is all very sentimental. Every one has a mother – well not neccesarily, for what is a mother – not the biological mother, I mean, – but the person who mothers, and having been packed off to boarding-school at a young age, I fail to see the difference between that and being an Orphan – it certainly felt like it, indeed even as a child I had come to believe that I had been acquired from Dr Barnardo’s – but there hangs a tale.

Mother however is a political term. What really disgusted me, yesterday, was a cartoon I observed where a child wrote (above a drawing of two women each holding a child’s hand) Happy Mothers’ Day – note carefully the precise position of the apostrophe. This cartoon was being retweeted by a Pussy-begging Lesbian-affirming Mangina – no wonder his wife left him for Harley McBadBoy. The subtext of course being ‘men are unneccesary’. I did not see yesterday that Cameron or Obama tweeted about feckless single Mums. Only Dads are to be pillaged and women even if total sluts and otherwise unfit etc pedestalled.

As for my own mother, well, ‘If you were any good you too would be worth £13,000,000′ was what she said. Nuts or nasty?

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meistergedanken May 14, 2012 at 04:36

Man, to be honest I feel somewhat conflicted about “upvoting” some of these comments – it reminds me of people on FB who comment about how much they miss some deceased relative, and I wonder: should I “like” the comment? [am I saying, in effect "I like the fact you are still in mourning!"?]

Hopefully there will be a corresponding number of positive stories about dads on Fathers Day.

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Andie May 14, 2012 at 05:03

My mom and dad ran a small business together and had the four of us kids and had a reasonably happy, decent life. And then my mother discovered feminism. She learned that the “personal was political” and took her personal grievances with my dad (which could have been settled with some adult conversation and compromise) and destroyed our lives.

She threw my dad out and kept him from seeing us. She told us that our father had abandoned us and paid no child support. She told us he left us to starve. Of course we believed her and of course we hated him.

Years later, when an uncle died, my dad contacted me and I asked him “why? how could you do that to us?”.

And then the story came out. He showed me his income tax returns, with every penny of child support paid. He had a box filled with birthday and Christmas and Halloween and Easter cards, all returned by my mother. He wasn’t allowed to contact us because my mother told the courts he beat her and had a restraining order enforced.

I am the only girl. My three brothers were devastated by the story they had been forced to live. They grew up without a father and were taught to hate men, and thus themselves.

In a way, I’m grateful. You talk about taking a pill that allows you to suddenly see. Well, that happens to women too. I suddenly could “see” my mother and her generation of feminists and what they gave us: total destruction.

I have not spoken to my mother for over ten years. She will never see my children, she will certainly never ever be allowed within a hundred miles of my lovely young son.

I was just about to swallow her version of feminist reality and reject men and children and family and marriage in pursuit of her version of “happiness” when my dad came back into my life. He saved me. He gave me the tools I needed to see the future for what it would be if I followed the path my mother and her generation laid out: he gave me truth.

I have been happily married for more than 10 years, I am a stay at home mom with three lovely children and I am NOT a feminist.

On Mother’s Day, I am thankful to be a mother. And I am thankful to my father for his faith, for pursuing me, for never giving up that one day I might know the truth.

Fuck you, mom.

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walking in hell May 14, 2012 at 06:13

Happy Mother’s Day to all victims of Misandry, Bad Mothers, and Feminism!

Happy Mother’s Day to all good mothers.

An Ode to the Modern Mother
by walking in hell 5/14/2012

Though I look lovely.
And I smell sweet.
Though my voice is like music.
I am deceit.

My soul is empty.
I have no core.
I am amoral.
I am a whore.

My body says.
“Though you have been with many men,”
“Where is the baby?”
“Where is the husband?”
So I go hunting…

I find a husband.
I have a baby.
I get a job.
Yet I am unhappy.

Why am I unhappy.
It couldn’t be me.
Is it my children?
I think it is he.
Yes, he is the one who did this to me…

So I dream of vengeance, and plot away.
Sometimes for years, then make my play.
All the while, wearing a smile.
That hides my seething, boiling, rage.

I am a coward.
So I use my tears.
To manipulate my armies.
And to create false fears.

When I strike, it is cold and cruel.
With my castrated army,
I take his child.
And crush his soul.

His reason for living now gone.
I grind my teeth in sweet satisfaction.
As my spit drips through my sadistic smile.

My husband is a slave.
My child is a bastard.
Yet I am still unhappy.
So I create an object of sympathy,
The single mother, me.

But the sympathy does not satisfy me.
So I hunt for another man to break.
And other children to bastardize.
To fill my empty, hungry soul.
With no regard to the lives I have and will destroy.

Because I can do no wrong.
The end of me is never admission.
Never repentance.
Never submission.

Only time stops the crimes.
My wrinkled face and forlorn body.
No longer attract victims to my sick and selfish lair.

For all you rotten mothers who ruined your husband and brainwashed the children, you will burn in hell for your sins.

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LysanderSpooner May 14, 2012 at 07:09

One of my sons went to a Churchian meeting on Mother’s Day with his mother and her new Churchian husband, it was non-denominational Churchian. My other son, I have twins, refused to go. When he got back he was fuming, apparently they did a skit at the beginning of the so-called “service”, which essentially was a commentary on how great Mothers are and are to be worshiped, while men are lazy, good for nothing dogs who need to be constantly corrected, derided and reminded how great women were. The man in the skit was a pencil neck skinny geek, the woman was an obese domineering type, and of course wearing pants.

I don’t think he will be going back. It won’t hurt my feelings. But it is interesting that the younger men, and boys are starting to recognize the misandry in everyday life, and it angers them, things they are a changing.

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LabMan May 14, 2012 at 07:32

There are some good mothers and also bad ones,many bad ones,the media using it’s ties to feminisim tries to indoctrinate us into believeing that “all” of them are good,major league baseball yesterday “forced” players into wearing pink spikes,using pink bats,batting helmets had pink panels inserted in them,pink wrist bands were worn,catchers chest protectors were rimmed with pink,Nike swoosh labels on fielders gloves were pink,outfield walls in some parks were painted a light shade of pink,energy necklaces around players necks were pink,when I say forced on players,I mean,what would be the reaction toward a player that refused to go along with the feminist/communist totalitarian crap shoved down their throats,”oh,you must be against mothers”,surely he would be labeled as a sexist,much the same as a player refusing to wear the number “42″on the day the baseball world came to a standstill to honor Jackie Robinson would be labeled as a racist,you are in the crosshairs Western European White Male,imagine what will be demanded of you when they declare a holiday for “Sir”Elton John!

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walking in hell May 14, 2012 at 08:13

“I don’t think he will be going back. It won’t hurt my feelings. But it is interesting that the younger men, and boys are starting to recognize the misandry in everyday life, and it angers them, things they are a changing.”

Yep, the churches are hotbeds for this “mother worship” cult bullshit. The American Christian Churches are the worst. No matter what happens in the family, it is always the man’s fault. Men are constantly berated and blamed for the breakdown of the family. If the woman cheats, the husband “drove” her to it.

Real Christianity is similar to Islam in that women should be seen and not heard. The early Christians were smart about letting a bad woman infect the church. For example, if a woman is divorced; she should not be allowed to enter the church. If she is preaching any type of feminism, she should be promptly excommunicated.

What I do love about the bible is that the true evil nature of the bad women is so accurately depicted. From the lying and philandering pharaoh’s wife who got Joseph thrown into prison by using a false accusation of rape; to the cruel and manipulative Herodias who wanted John the Baptist’s head as a gift.

The American Christian churches do nothing but pander to the vagina; and in so doing perpetuate the trouble. Truly, the West is gone.

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keyster May 14, 2012 at 08:36

@Last Crucible
I am profoundly wounded and likely in a permanent state of shock as a result of the truth about women’s nature being unveiled to me.

There was a time, pre-1970′s when men clearly understood women’s nature and freely discussed it among themselves. Once feminism took over academia and the media it took over the culture with it’s propaganda, eventually to the point today men don’t dare consider THINKING about criticizing thy holy woman.

You bought into the propaganda and now you’re being de-programmed. You’re angry because you feel betrayed by women, when it’s really feminist propaganda that led you astray. Women’s nature is the same.

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Charles Martel May 14, 2012 at 08:43

Opus
As for my own mother, well, ‘If you were any good you too would be worth £13,000,000′ was what she said. Nuts or nasty?

I guess you’ll see when she dies and find out if she leaves any of that to you.

Women really do believe they earn the wealth they acquire on their backs. I had an English girlfriend once whose mother had married up and done very well. The mother hated her husband and made no secret of it. After her last child was born she announced the old vaj was permanently closed for business. I suppose under those circumstances – marrying purely for money – a woman might feel that she’d worked for it.

I’m sorry you had such an awful upper crust English childhood.

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Charles Martel May 14, 2012 at 09:02

Keyster
There was a time, pre-1970′s when men clearly understood women’s nature and freely discussed it among themselves. Once feminism took over academia and the media it took over the culture with it’s propaganda, eventually to the point today men don’t dare consider THINKING about criticizing thy holy woman.

You think? I’d say it’s the other way around. Pre-1970s women’s nature was largely concealed as their behavior was restrained by the prevailing cultural norms. Most men knew next to nothing about women and women were universally pedestalized. Female hypergamy was largely hidden and so women were characterized as mysterious, inscrutable. Check out this guy , whose experience with women was frozen in the 1960s. Some brain, eh?

Thanks to the manosphere we now know that women are as logical as men. It’s just that their logic is narcissistic, self-centered. There’s no objective reality for women, only “what’s in it for me?” If it doesn’t affect her, it doesn’t exist. No mystery there.

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greyghost May 14, 2012 at 09:12

Welmer
“The reverence for women in American culture is OVER for people under 30. It really sucks for kids how utterly awful so many American women have become. Children know better than anyone the failings of their parents, so it makes me wonder what the consequences of all this will be as younger people come of age.”
one of the things spoken about before are the number of really young men starting mens blogs. Also with fewer men growing up with loving mothers it is hard to push the NAWALT meme on guys that have no base line of love to stand on. Before now that NAW was mom or a false romantic hope for love , that is gone now. The a young man today is most likely self medicated on the red pill without a full understanding. Any discussion at all with these guys and you have an MRA in the form of a PUA,or grass eater type, we call them peter pans,manchilds in the US. That youthful powerful and natural sex drive something we in the manosphere have been talking about with all of our survival techniques.Expat,MGTOW,never marry, find a christian woman,(ha ha ha see Dalrock) don’t live together, etc etc. still does exist. That is why I like the idea of the PUA and have no desire to shame a “manchild,grass eater type. It took fifty years but we are at a cross over point where more men than not don’t have a bases for NAWALT.

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greyghost May 14, 2012 at 09:23

Charles Martel
I think with those checks in place females hid their nature but it was still there. What is more selfish and childlike than jealously supporting and loyally standing by the man that said he loved you and married your wicked ass. I am not in the slightest concerned with the motivation. Good productive and sustainable behavior is good. No need for nonexistant female virtue in a healthy society.

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Opus May 14, 2012 at 09:38

@Charles Martel

It is always nice when someone (in this case yourself) offers empathy. Somehow a trouble shared is indeed halved. What I had never previously grasped – consciously – (although I knew it) was that the money was indeed inherited and not worked for – I, of course, was supposed to earn that and more, as of course a salary usually goes on ordinary living expenses.

I owe you one.

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keyster May 14, 2012 at 10:13

You think? I’d say it’s the other way around. Pre-1970s women’s nature was largely concealed as their behavior was restrained by the prevailing cultural norms.

You may have been indocrinated yourself at one time.
I clearly remember when men openly talked about women, including hypergamy, selfishness, etc. As time went on there were less and less men who would allow you to speak (male Thought Police). Now it’s 100% verbotten and we’re left to a few blogs.

Men have always pedestalized women, but as women, not as wholly superior human beings like is done now. You can still find some wise old geezers that’ll tell you all about it, but they’re dying off.

Believe there was a GRAND SHIFT in male to male dialogue within the 1980′s. Now it’s within his conscience to keep his very thoughts check, lest he be detected.

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Charles Martel May 14, 2012 at 10:23

Keyster
You may have been indocrinated yourself at one time.

I wouldn’t say I was indoctrinated. More that there was just no information available to me as a young man. In my parents’ generation men married young with low (generally very low) partner counts. Sex came with restrictive and broadly enforced social rules. Only the aristocracy and the dregs of the working class were freely promiscuous. I really don’t think there was much informed male discussion about women.

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Towgunner May 14, 2012 at 10:25

My mother never took the feminist pill, neither did my grandmother. Both of them are stronger that any fem0-facist shill that thinks slut walking or nursing a boy is “strength”.

As controversial at Lastcrucible’s comments were, he’s right. Now, don’t expect me to apply that to my mother or grandmother. But, let’s get real, he’s right.

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keyster May 14, 2012 at 11:01

I really don’t think there was much informed male discussion about women.

Informed or formal, right.
But there was definitely a “guy code”.
The nuanced language of patriarchy as the feminists would say.
The alpha male guys knew it and exploited it.
Little mangina betas tried to curry favour by being sweet and nice.
This was long before something called “Game”.

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Andie May 14, 2012 at 11:11

@ Former – Motherhood is undervalued in the West. What is valued much more in a woman, is her sex appeal. Plus, women no longer have the right to be a mother. They only have the right to be a “working mother”.

This is bullshit. Motherhood is not undervalued (well, except by other women, perhaps) but it requires SACRIFICE from both men and women. Raising children well means a mom at home full time period. So women need men, but they have fucked themselves over by doing two things:

1. Entering the workforce and thereby reducing a man’s ability to earn a family wage

2. Acting like whores and therefore reducing the incentive for men to stick around

Add to that the fact that most women think being a cunt (especially towards men) is a delightful personality trait. You go grrrrl.

And since when is sex appeal incompatible with motherhood? My science may be off here, but I believe my sex appeal actually resulted in motherhood. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your pity-party.

It’s not motherhood that is devalued. It’s the obligation and responsibility that comes with motherhood that is devalued. Try saying this around a group of women: “my husband and children come first. Their needs take precedence over mine.”

Cue the sneering contempt and cries of “dumb bitch”!

Women think they should be able to do whatever the fuck they want, always, at all times, with no responsibility or obligations. The consequences they can either abort or abandon in a daycare center.

“Hey,” the feminists say, “men get away with it!”

Really? My husband supports three children and a wife on his paycheck. How is that NOT responsibility? How is that NOT obligation? You know what my obligations are? Run the house. Raise the children.

Oh, and BE FUCKING NICE.

I think I have the better part of the deal.

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Eric May 14, 2012 at 11:54

WalkinginHell;
That’s a good analysis. American Churchianity is really more of a hybrid between Anglo-Puritanism and Ancient Gnosticism than anything else. The early and mediaeval Christians recognized a gender polarity (in a spirtual sense); but if somebody had put on a skit like Spooner described back then, they would have been run out of town.

It’s not a widely advertised historical fact, but one reason that Mohammed founded Islam was out of revulsion for the goddess-worshipping Gnostic-christian cults that were floating around Arabia in his time.

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Eric May 14, 2012 at 12:03

Opus,
LOL, I was a boarding-school orphan too. Mostly the women I indentified as ‘mothers’ were my grandmothers and great-grandmothers. The bad-boy my biological mom was living with soaked up whatever inheritance I would have gotten, so I was spared that disappointment! LOL

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Eric May 14, 2012 at 12:09

Greyghost:
The young men whom you and Welmer are describing are the silver lining in the clouds. Men have an inherently strong sense of justice and that’s especially strong in small boys. The story that Spooner told about his son’s reaction to the skit is a good example. A lot of younger guys, who’ve been brought up by man-hating single moms and sadistic female schoolteachers are showing signs of rebelling against these bully-bitches.

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greyghost May 14, 2012 at 12:21

Andie
“It’s not motherhood that is devalued. It’s the obligation and responsibility that comes with motherhood that is devalued. Try saying this around a group of women: “my husband and children come first. Their needs take precedence over mine.”

I am 47 years old and I have never ever heard a women speak of marriage and family as you have. You are not a SAH mom for the status of motherhood you have discibe the reasoning and purpose and the understanding of the role your husband has.
Most women as you have noted behave the way they do for the status it entails in relation to other women.

This comment shows you have your eyes open
“Women think they should be able to do whatever the fuck they want, always, at all times, with no responsibility or obligations. The consequences they can either abort or abandon in a daycare center. ”

Keyster I have never heard this from any conservative woman ever. This is what you need to spend your time with.

Andie what you are doing and reason and attitude used to be what the definition of a woman was.

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ahamkara May 14, 2012 at 12:31

My mother stuck by my father through some difficult times in his life, which seemed like a selfless sacrifice to me as a child. As an adult, I realize that this was certainly part of her motivation; but also, there would have been consequences for her if she left, both financial and social.

My wife was not faced with such consequences, so when times got tough, she bailed. For this courageous act of self-liberation, the courts gave me a royal ass-whupping on her behalf, and everyone gave her a pat on the back for being so brave.

My conclusion, and part of the reason I am drawn to the men’s rights movement, is because I think that women cannot be a necessary and productive part of society if we insist on bringing the worst out of them. My mother had reasonable limits placed on her behavior by society and she has lived a happy and fruitful life. My ex-wife will spend the rest of her life seeking something that will always elude her.

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greyghost May 14, 2012 at 12:39

ahamkara
That is why the laws of misandry are in place. It is the lie of the empowered woman. An unhealthy society does this by sacrificing fathers and children in pursuit of a lie.

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Andie May 14, 2012 at 12:43

@greyghost

Thank you. It’s nice to hear that. What concerns me now is what can we do about it? How can this mess ever be straightened out?

I like the fact that I have rights. I respectfully disagree with posters who say women must be guarded like children. Personally, I think that will only makes things worse. Women need MORE responsibility, not less.

Here is an idea I am working through in my mind: two policies that would force women to accept the responsibilities that come with rights.

1. Make abortion absolutely legal and totally accessible. Give women to right to life and death, absolutely.

2. Eliminate all child-support laws.

Women want the right to determine whether children live. Okay, fine. But along with it comes the total responsibility for that child’s well-being.

Want to be in a partnership with the father of the child? Perfectly understandable. In order to ensure his continued support you are going to have to do a few things:

Remain attractive
Nurture a pleasant personality
Present whatever grievances you may have respectfully and rationally
Demonstrate gratitude
Make care, love and kindness your general orientation to the world

In return, you are almost certain to get:

Loyalty
Devotion
Love
Respect
Kindness

This has nothing to do with working or not working. Some families struggle. They need two incomes. Fair enough. That does not remove the responsibility the woman has for deciding to bring a life in the world.

You want the right to kill? Then accept the responsibility to care.

I accept this in my life. And rather than making me some downtrodden dupe of the patriarchy, it has given me a solid, happy, strong marriage that I am grateful for every day. And my husband is a really cool guy. And after nearly 12 years of marriage I still love him, and he loves me.

Thoughts?

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Eric May 14, 2012 at 13:27

Andie:
I agree with you’re saying except for the part about legalizing abortion. I think you might have a good case, except that you’re making the mistake a lot of normal women do: assuming that other women think like you do. Specifically, you chose a good man for a husband and the father of your children. As a single guy, I can assure you that that is precisely what the majority of American females DO NOT do. They typically choose as sex partners and fathers the lowest and most dysfunctional males they can find.

In a way, that also cancels out the second point, since there’s no possibility of collecting child-support from criminal and chronically unemployed males anyway. But I do agree that the child-support laws should be repealed for the sake of responsible men who suffer under them. I would also add to that that the party who sues for divorce automatically forfeits custody rights, except in provable cases of abandonment or abuse.

If women had a greater sense of responsibility in our culture, legalized abortion would an irrelevant issue. For example, in most of Europe, abortion is legal but their abortion rates are far lower than ours.

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greyghost May 14, 2012 at 13:29

Andie
You are right that the fix is more responsibility. Your first idea number one undermines this. Giving a women the right to kill a human life simple becausethe life is dependent on her is the ultimate in brushing off responsibility.
Point 2 is a good incentive to keeping point one off the table in the first place.
I do understand your point and keep in mind “I the father do indeed love my child because the child is mine don’t kill the child. I will love and raise the child.” Also women vote and will never give up cash awards at government gun point.
The things you mentioned a women should bring to the table are a byproduct of the removal of the laws of misandry. Those things will happen on their own when the cash and status incentive is gone from divorce and cockolding.
Things being the way they are to get there I am for a male birth control pill. It comeplete removes women from the decision on any choice they have. My thoughts were a huge swath of women carousel riding and shitting on men in empowered laws of misandry enforced arrogance passing into there years of infertility childless.
Slowly you will be envied and not laughed at. That will be when you are listened to and when you will be in a position to change the herd to value the things you have listed for women to bring to the table. A woman will happily behave that way in their own selfish interest. With the vote they voted a system of laws that removes all reason to behave with compassion to any thing but themselves. That is why it is now legal for a woman to kill a child.

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greyghost May 14, 2012 at 13:44

Here is what we are up against and why things are so bad

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/why-are-feminists-against-the-male-pill/

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greyghost May 14, 2012 at 13:47

http://malecontraceptives.org/methods/gossypol.php
Some ideas

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Andie May 14, 2012 at 14:39

@greyghost, @ Eric,

Just to be clear, I find abortion to be morally repugnant, but I am not optimistic enough to think that the laws will ever be repealed, nor do I have high hopes for how the women forced to bear children will respond. I’m thinking it won’t be very pleasant for the babies.

But a male birth control pill? Just so.

Women would have to demonstrate a few admirable qualities a priori before they ever had the opportunity to mother a child. Being an epic slut would have no advantage whatsoever. Well, other than the pleasure women get from fucking a hundred different guys. Whatever. Go to it, ladies.

Imagine women being forced to make a case for sperm. “Honey please stop taking your pill because (fill in the blanks).”

Ha! Male birth control. I think that IS the solution.

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Suz May 14, 2012 at 15:58

Yes, Andie,
Male birth control would solve a lot of problems. My personal favorite abortion policy is: Legal but not subsidized. If a woman needs one to save her life, she can get government help. If she wants it as an elective procedure, she can pay for it herself. Abortion has consequences, besides the killing, Women should be forced to reckon with those consequences.

I also think pregnancy PREVENTION “birth control” should be cheap or free (to both sexes) and readily available. Promiscuity is never going away, but the rampant promiscuity of the last few decades is finally beginning to cost those who engaged in it. Let them learn their lessons, or not, but don’t visit such stupidity on innocent children.

You sound like a woman with your head on straight, rare at any age, but utterly amazing in someone so young. I never “got” grrrlz even when I was young, but I was not very curious about why – just figured I was an oddball. It took me years to understand it was the entitlement mindset. My marriage has been good, but I mostly credit my husband for that. It could have been spectacular, for both of us. I was never a bitch-feminist, I just had no direction. It simply never occurred to me that “traditional wife” was an option. I was told I was supposed to be “more.” You are the REAL “more.” Don’t ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

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Andie May 14, 2012 at 16:06

@ Suz

Very, very rarely do I ever hear from another woman that I have made smart choices.

Thank you.

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Attila May 14, 2012 at 16:32

All good mothers are alike —-all bad mothers are different (and not in the best way).

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Andie May 14, 2012 at 16:57

I am not sure if it is appropriate for me to post this here, and I will not have a hysterical tantrum if told that as an invited guest it wouldn’t hurt to sit down and shut the fuck up. I am aware that there are few safe spaces for men to talk on the internet, and the last thing I want to do is hijack one of those spaces.

If I had to present the case to my husband for why he should stop taking his birth control and we should have children, here is what I would say:

We dated for a year (and had a lot of sex, I admit, but damn, he is so cute!!).

We were engaged for a year to make certain we were both committed and understood what the other wanted

We have been married for a year, and I feel like we know each other’s strengths and weaknesses and we negotiate in a way that is fair and sustainable over the long term

I am willing to dedicate all our family”s resources into your career and advanced training. There will be no bitterness, no recrimination, no wailing what about meeeeeeeee…….

I have the skills and the knowledge to run our household efficiently. I know how to cook, how to clean, how to budget, how to make fucking do. I do not require manicures, this season’s clothes or more than one pair of comfortable shoes. One car. No vacations. No dinners out.

I am prepared for all of that….

…because I fully intend to be at home to raise the children you CONSENT to, and to do the best goddamn job that I can. You will come home every night to a welcoming home, a hot meal and children who are loving and respectful and just plain old fun to be around.

I will raise your children with the full force of my intelligence and education. They will NOT be parked in front of the TV, they will NOT eat shit food, they will NOT be obese, they will NOT languish comatose in a stroller while I shop at the mall.

Your sons will be allowed to be boys. They will have guns and battleships and wrestle on the rug. Your daughters will be allowed to be girls. They will have dolls and tea sets and lots of pretty dresses. And if your son wants to put on a pretty dress and ambush the tea set while the girls defend their doilies with cap guns, that is all good, too.

They will be children. And I will protect them.

You will never cook a meal. You will never wash a floor. You will never do a load of laundry.

You will take out the garbage, though, because ewww, gross.

When the time comes that our children are in school, I will go back to work. I will chose a job that works with our family and with our mutual goals. My “career goals” will be to provide our children with an education and maybe have some left over for a comfortable retirement for the two of us.

We will sit hand in hand, watching our grandchildren play in the sand. We will die within hours of one another.

And I will love you until my last moment.

So. What do you say? Children or not?

(Yeah, I know that the law supports me fucking my wonderful guy over, but my heart does not. And this really is what I would say. What I did say. What I DO say. How I live. I pray my daughters will do the same and my son will pick a wife who feels this way.)

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W.F. Price May 14, 2012 at 17:17

So. What do you say? Children or not?

-Andie

Well, it’s up to you two. Personally, I love kids. Some guys don’t. Some women don’t. My sister will probably never be a mother, and although I’d be happy to be an uncle, I entirely respect her choice. She’s made her decision, and I don’t think any man has any right to force the issue, so why should a woman do the same to a guy?

If children are sorely wanted by one party and the other will not budge, it’s grounds for parting ways, IMO. A guy who never wanted kids is better off separating before he gives in, has kids, and ends up miserable. It’s much, much easier to divorce without kids — it’s little more than a breakup unless there’s significant property involved (however, this can be dealt with via prenup). On the other side, a man or woman who really wants kids is better off separating from a partner who doesn’t before it’s too late.

The emotional and practical complexity introduced by children should not be underestimated. Personally, I wouldn’t recommend marriage at all for people who don’t want children. What’s the point?

I’ve already got kids, so I suppose it makes it easier for me, but I certainly wouldn’t go into a marriage without being totally clear about my intentions as far as kids are concerned. It’s neglectful not to address that issue prior to marriage, I think. Really, a woman who goes into marriage thinking she’ll change a guy’s mind is not doing anyone – including potential children – any favors. You really need to know what the plan is in that regard before saying “I do.”

greyghost May 14, 2012 at 17:55

Well by law so what. You can make that agreement and have that understanding but it is not legally,or socially enforcable. At any time the woman can unilaterally just have the guy removed.
Better way would be to show him a copy of family law that shows men getting custody or women filing false calaims of abuse going to prison for a couple of years. A women being in contempt of court and losing custody and spending 30 days in jail for repeated violations of visitation order. Another would be a cuckolded man being refunded by the state with the same interest an arrears dad would have for non payment of all child support paid under false pretenses. As soon as that becomes the norm more men will have children in the world of the male pill.
I always wanted kids and have three. That was before I became aware. As a red pill guy a women in this day and age that I was with for two to three years and actually lived day to day as spoken well maybe will give it a shot. Otherwise I would be red pill single and over in India hiring a surrogate, they are cheaper than wives.

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Anonymous age 70 May 14, 2012 at 18:44

Andie is right. Give women total control over the existence of kids. The no child support deal will change women totally, their promiscuity, their sluttiness, all gone instantly or close to it. So, there will be few abortions.

I know, because of what I see here in Mexico. Almost all the feminist laws are in place, but women pay them no attention because they need a man to help them support their kids. Marital rape charges? Nope, not often. DV charges? Likewise not often.

As I have written over the years feminism only has power where women are guaranteed money even when they screw up. The laws don’t do it.

And, if a woman knows she has to keep her knees together to get a man who will support her kids, she will do just that, and no abortions.

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Anonymous age 70 May 14, 2012 at 18:46

About twenty years ago, I talked to my son’s baby-sitter. She told me the local Day Care Association agreed at its monthly meeting that providers could tell what went on in the homes the kids came from.

She said about half (yes, I mean 50% ) of her moms would show up about an hour or two late, all pissed off, jerking the kids around, and showing every sign of wishing they had had an abortion.

Half the dads came so early you could tell they ran from their workplace to the car, and drove as fast as safety allowed.

And, they would hug the kids, and gently get them ready to go, with lots of kisses.

Their opinion was half the kids of divorce belong with the fathers.

Well, I think it’s up to 15% now &*#@! judges!

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sam May 14, 2012 at 21:56

thanks mother for all you have given me including harsh beatings with belt, locking me in a dark room while i cried ,for verbally abusing me and taking out all your frustations on me, thanks for telling me that it had been better had you aborted me,, thanks you my sister for divorcing your nice hubby only because you wanted fun all the time ,thank you my girl friend for complaining to cops that I forced myself on her many times in out 3 yeat relationship, thank u judge for acquitting me because she cannot come with proof as i paid her mother 40k for not to press charges, now i am 28 year old and have life ahead to enjoy

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Eric May 14, 2012 at 22:15

I’m not sure that male birth-control would be effective. It would be dependent on the thuggish bums whom women seem to prefer for sex partners actually being responsible enough to use it. I know that a lot of those louts pride themselves on how many illegitimate kids they produce.

What really needs to change is our government’s attitudes towards both bums and sluts, from outright enabling to an outright crackdown.

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Suz May 14, 2012 at 23:15

A crackdown would doubtless punish the innocent. They always do. But by all means, let’s cut the enabling.

(I’m assuming that by “thuggish louts,” you’re referring to guys with no assets, no futures, and nothing to lose, who think it’s a game to produce children they have no intention of raising?)

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walking in hell May 14, 2012 at 23:19

I am not sure if it is appropriate for me to post this here, and I will not have a hysterical tantrum if told that as an invited guest it wouldn’t hurt to sit down and shut the fuck up. I am aware that there are few safe spaces for men to talk on the internet, and the last thing I want to do is hijack one of those spaces.

If I had to present the case to my husband for why he should stop taking his birth control and we should have children, here is what I would say:

We dated for a year (and had a lot of sex, I admit, but damn, he is so cute!!).

We were engaged for a year to make certain we were both committed and understood what the other wanted……”

Nice try Andie. You are using this forum as a test marketing environment to figure out how to sneak kids out of your husband. Or maybe you don’t really even have a husband, but you are using your script for a future man yet to be found?

Your logic is this: if I can convince the guys on the spearhead, I can convince my husband or any man for that matter.

Your “tear jerker” pitch reminds me of what my wife used to say to me.

Then she abducted my son, moved him 500 miles away; got a $1500 judgement against me; then brainwashed my son. I have not seen nor spoken with my son in seven years.

Just to be fair, bring your husband to the forum and introduce him to me. I guarantee I can have him leave you divorced and childless; that is if you have a husband.

Your deception makes me cringe.

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JFP May 14, 2012 at 23:35

Depressing thread. I managed to avoid much of the ballyhoo of mother’s day this year.

A few weeks before my mother suddenly died last year, she out of the blue mentioned to me she understood why I didn’t trust modern women. Something I think I’d finally mentioned to her about a year earlier. She proceeded to tell me about a young co worker who had it all in a good husband and two kids who due to her controlling personality was getting a divorce.

Mom had her faults but I miss her. RIP.

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Eric May 15, 2012 at 02:42

JFP;
My grandmother (whose family was from Prussia) told me the same thing when she passed away a few years ago. I don’t know what the girls are like in Germany today, but they couldn’t be worse than they are here.

You’re right about this being a depressing thread. Could you imagine men writing things like these about their mothers 10 or 20 years ago? Most guys who are under 35 don’t even know what it was like when there were still normal women in America.

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Eric May 15, 2012 at 03:00

Suz,
That’s a good definition of the thuggish louts I’m referring to. Some of them impregnate women for sport; some others are just opportunistic and have sex without thinking of the consequences. Either way, males like this wouldn’t be around if women weren’t pursuing them.

I agree about cutting the enabling. Unlike a lot of libertarians, though, I think that the government should be proactively encouraging families and penalizing chronically antisocial behavior. For example, I would end subsidies to abortionists, but subsidize adoption agencies. I’d cut funding for women who have serial-children-by-unknown fathers and give AFDC to intact, two-parent families with five or more children. I’d abolish no-fault divorce.

There are a lot of reforms and repeals that could be beneficial, but given the clods who make our laws, they have little chance of being enacted, so the point is probably moot, anyway. LOL

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Andie May 15, 2012 at 03:46

Nice try Andie. You are using this forum as a test marketing environment to figure out how to sneak kids out of your husband.

We already have three kids, walking, and we don’t want any more, so my husband had a vasectomy (his choice).

Then she abducted my son, moved him 500 miles away; got a $1500 judgement against me; then brainwashed my son. I have not seen nor spoken with my son in seven years.

That is horrible. And I know that it happens, because I WAS the child in this situation. My mother did the same to us (I have three brothers).

I DO have a husband (his name is Tim, if that helps). I also have brothers, uncles, cousins, nephews, friends and a son, and I care very deeply about the child custody issue.

I am sorry for the loss of your son, walker. I am here not for approval but to learn what I can do to help change the laws, and to protect the men I love and care about so that they do not have to go through what you are going through, and what my brothers and I went through as children.

My mother and your wife would get along.

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beta_plus May 15, 2012 at 11:00

I always knew that I was lucky to have my Mom, who has been absolutely devoted to her children and her husband. My parents celebrated their 40th aniversary a couple of years ago.

Until I read the posts here, I didn’t realize quite how lucky.

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Art Vandelay May 16, 2012 at 05:18

Male birth control would solve a lot of problems. My personal favorite abortion policy is: Legal but not subsidized. If a woman needs one to save her life, she can get government help. If she wants it as an elective procedure, she can pay for it herself. Abortion has consequences, besides the killing, Women should be forced to reckon with those consequences.

I think in general, abortion is good for society. The people likely to get an abortion are usually those least likely to be equipped for properly raising children (single teenage moms). Thus, it should be free. But after the second one the woman should be permanently sterilized.

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Eincrou May 16, 2012 at 07:18

Art Vandelay “I think in general, abortion is good for society.”
“Thus, it should be free.”

If something is good for society, therefore it should be free? On a planet with scarce resources, this logic is incomplete. Whether or not it is discovered that a thing should be free, it is not free.

How are you going to pay for it? Are those of you who have determined that “it should be free” capable of working hard enough resources to provide it at no cost to the abortionette? People “should not” come up with social policies that require putting other people’s resources toward purposes they believe “should not” happen.

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Eincrou May 16, 2012 at 07:20

Eincrou: “Are those of you who have determined that “it should be free” capable of working hard enough resources to provide it at no cost to the abortionette?”

“Resources” shouldn’t be there.

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Art Vandelay May 17, 2012 at 16:31

If something is good for society, therefore it should be free? On a planet with scarce resources, this logic is incomplete. Whether or not it is discovered that a thing should be free, it is not free.

Well I think the common saying is “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”. Of course, it’s not free to the people providing it, just more cost effective in the long run.

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DruidV May 19, 2012 at 08:35

Better late than never…

Dearest Incubator,

Thank you for the forty plus years of incessant textbook histrionics on behalf of both myself and my now deceased father. A father whose crimes included but were certainly not limited to; loving and providing for you, loving and providing for his children and of course, being male. You made him pay for that in every way, every day that he was chained to you, so thank you for that.

Thank you also, for all of the psychological damage and abuse you inflicted upon me as a child, each and every time I heard you state in a drunken stupor; “I wish he (dad) would just fucking DIE already!” Your wish has been granted, he is now dead, right on time and at your hands. Again, thank you!

Thank you for always placing me squarely at the back of the line, behind my sisters, while at the same time reminding me that while I should strive to, I would and could never be anything like them. I would only always just be second best.
Thank you as well for companion messages like; “Suck it up and be a man!!!” “Big boys don’t cry!!!” and my personal favorite “You’re not really planning on music as a career, are you? You need to find something to fall back on…”

Thank you for dragging me to church as a defenseless child and filling my head with all kinds of ludicrous garbage about an invisible man in the sky who loves me, but should I question or disagree with, will be sending me straight to Hell. You should be proud that you have learned your master’s way so well. Again, thank you.

And last but not least, thank you for showing me the self-evident true nature of all women, but especially the incubator types, which has been confirmed and cemented by every encounter I have with these creatures now.

I could have grown into the selfless, woman-serving mangina you wanted me to be, ready to place my own son at the back of the queue and fill his head with a never endinglist chivalristic nonsense, and femalian demands to be met, but your example way has shown me a better way and for that, I can never thank you enough for your incubational services.

Happy Incubator’s day everyone!!!

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