Wrapping Up Europe

by W.F. Price on May 7, 2012

It’s been a nice three weeks overseas, and as I prepare to return home, I find myself hoping I can pull it off again in a few years’ time. Europe’s a great place to visit, and I’d definitely recommend it to Americans who want to get away from the insanity of American life for a while. If you’re on a budget, it definitely helps to have friends overseas; without this advantage I wouldn’t have even thought about making the trip.

Life is a bit easier and slower in Europe. Work is not all-consuming, and people have a more relaxed attitude toward life. As an American, I have to admit I found that very frustrating at first, but then I just decided there’s no point in fighting it and went along with it.

The US is a great place with a lot of opportunity, but from the outside there’s a lot about it that doesn’t look so great. The pressure on ordinary people is enormous, the racial and sexual tension is oppressive, and the rat race exhausting. Furthermore, the amount of bureaucratic control over people’s lives is a lot higher than in Europe, as far as I can tell. We often point to Europe as an example of a bureaucratic socialist purgatory, but somehow the stakes don’t seem quite so high as in the US, and the coercion is not nearly as severe.

I suppose one could point to the US as a place where there’s both more risk and more reward. The day to day lives of ordinary Americans may not be much if any better, but the greater opportunities give Americans high hopes and aspirations. Unfortunately, I’m afraid that the steady erosion of personal freedoms is slowly eliminating the clear advantage we once had. There’s also an undercurrent of hostility and a certain inhumanity inherent in our political atmosphere. For example, the idea of jailing fathers for poverty is considered absurd and inhumane here. Incarceration is far less common, yet violent crime is a shadow of what it is in the US. There is no overarching police state here, yet relations between people on the street seem more relaxed and less contentious.

Looking back on my home before I return, I feel a bit of apprehension about the future. I don’t know what direction we’ll take in the US, but where we’re headed is not promising. Over my lifetime, I’ve only seen our society grow harsher and more totalitarian as well as ideologically more strident and divided. This has not let up for my entire life, and if it continues I can’t see the US being a very pleasant place to live. Although I really don’t want to do this, I’m getting closer to the point of recommending that people who can do so – young men in particular – leave.

It saddens me to say it, but for young American men with some skill and talent, there are probably greener pastures elsewhere, and far fewer risks. If you want a family, the US is probably one of the most dangerous places in the world for a man to get married and have children. Additionally, you will not face affirmative action discrimination outside of the US as a white male, and your chances of arrest and imprisonment (or becoming a victim of violent crime) are lower if you are black or Hispanic. While it might not be as easy to become a billionaire in another country, it’s much much harder to have your life destroyed by a woman, and that’s a far likelier scenario. As great and glorious a place as the US is, the truth is that it treats its young men like absolute garbage, and in many cases they’d be far safer, and ultimately healthier, spending their young, productive years in places where they can’t be so easily robbed and dispossessed. As an added bonus, English is becoming the lingua franca of the developed world, and American men are considered desirable partners around the world.

Sometimes you can get a clearer view from the outside looking in, and this trip has given me a depressing perspective on my homeland. I’m going to be stuck in the US for some time, as my children need a home there for some years to come, but it looks more like a sacrifice than a privilege at this point. How sad to see what’s happened to my country.

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Opus May 7, 2012 at 05:49

Would you care to reveal exactly which Countries (or Cities) in Europe you have visited?

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W.F. Price May 7, 2012 at 05:54

Netherlands and Latvia (Amsterdam and Riga mainly, with some time in the country/suburbs)

Brigadon May 7, 2012 at 05:56

Ironically, even as bad as things have gotten in the US, and the amount of abuse other countries try to heap on america and americans, male american expats still have a positive reputation, especially in eastern european countries, for a number of DHV’s
1. Leaders. If you are clean-cut and healthy, your chances of landing a management position in a local firm is absurdly high.
2. Workers. American males have a reputation for working… not harder, but smarter, and longer hours than locals, especially in places like italy and poland.
3. Devoted Spouses. While this is also an implication that American men are pussywhipped jackpots, it also tends to attract a large number of women, many of whom are of higher social and ethical value than american gold diggers.

Frankly, if it weren’t for my 40+ age, I would be trying to beg, borrow, or steal enough to hop a plane to poland and try to lose myself there.

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 06:00

Brigadon

“Ironically, even as bad as things have gotten in the US, and the amount of abuse other countries try to heap on america and americans, ”

What ?

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Traveller May 7, 2012 at 06:02

Welcome back. In the forum I mean. You will find a couple of unpleasant fights over the comments, but as they say when the cat is away the rats dance. :)

As you write this, here in Europe the things get worse, the French voted a communist, along the Greeks, it is easy believe you can vote away the crisis.

It is not we have less bureucratic control, or probably yes if compared with the latest USA. The fact is, we have it since longer and we are habitued.

We are habitued to fight our national IRSs, we treat them like a cancer, it can happen and get it with philosophy.

Probably the communist derive for you Americans was so fast and unexpected that you do not know how to realize it. Like an happy person who gets diagnosed an incurable illness, your world crumbled in two decades.

We have stricter gun control – except Switzerland that is not in the political Europe – we have had a personal and corporate tax as high as recent yours for generations. Public servants are so parasitic and highly paid for doing nothing since forever, here.

True we have few blacks, so fewer crimes, but we have gypsies, albeit less violent but more hidden and vicious. More violent are the slavs immigrants.

You can find slutty women here too. Here too, nice guys finish last.

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Ethical May 7, 2012 at 06:06

Very powerful post. Goes to show how important personal freedom is to an individual’s sense of well being. Like you I’m thankful for my kids, but kids are also the best leverage against us in divorce. They chain us down in our yard like a frustrated pitbull while the misandrist court throws rocks at us just out of reach. Another way we’re held hostage is by having to go to court to get our equity out of the marital home. Possession is nine tenths of the law and most times she has it. If I had to do things all over again, I’d rent (rather than buy a home) since I live in the city. She’d have to spend money taking me to court to get anything. I’d be free to cut my losses rather than her taking the lion’s share and me having to appeal to the non-existent sympathies of an anti-male court to get some back.

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Uncle Elmer May 7, 2012 at 06:09

“Frankly, if it weren’t for my 40+ age, I would be trying to beg, borrow, or steal enough to hop a plane to poland and try to lose myself there.”

Don’t let age stop you, you’re just getting started. I picked up ballroom dance when I was 40, traveled throughout SE Asia, went to grad school in late 40s, married a virgin bride when I was 50, after that posted innumerable comments on Spearhead complaining about the damn bishes ruining everything. The last three guys I have worked for also had foreign brides.

Seriously, have seen many post-middle-age western men living large overseas. Dress well, mind your manners, and you will be treated with a respect you may not have experienced in the west. You are the most interesting man in the world.

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Opus May 7, 2012 at 06:13

This is my view of the Netherlands and Amsterdam (never been to Latvia, indeed, I purposely choose not to know exactly where it is other than behind a rusting curtain).

The Netherlands are flat. The weather is the same as England (but a few hours later). The language is the same as English but badly spelt and pronounced back-to-front. It used to be very relaxed but the last time I was there it seemed less so. Drugs are readily available (as are Bicycles and Tulips). The women have large bones and are fair. Opus has some Dutch blood on his Mother’s side (De Witt) and my Father visited Arnhem in 1944.

So tell us (as we all need to know): Did you enjoy the Red-Light District? ;)

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J May 7, 2012 at 06:20

My experience living there for a year has some similiarities to yours, but I think you ma find that some places, especially Greece, have a work “ethic” that will rob them of their future. Times get tight over here, and I know you have a very valid point and I mainly agree with you, however people who work hard despite their problems tend to ultimately wera them t, and flurish. I hope that is the case here. It kind of reminds me of all the people who flock here legally and illegally. They want a better life we are told. However, in my opinion, just because things get bad I am not sure I will run to another shore. I have thought about, for your exact reasons. I just feel, for me, that doing so would provide a lack of leadership here when most of us “marriageable men” here go overseas never to return. If I was in a bad disaster, and my home destroyed, I might think of leaving. I am pretty sure though that I would send my family to family someplace safe, and report to someone who could use my help and skill.

I feel that not just feminism, but our leaders politics and greed, have caused a Katrina on our emotional landscape. I guess myself personally, I feel like I would be abandoning those around me. Maybe I’m crazy. I don’t judge someone for leaving, each person has their issues. But like you, I am getting my own blog started, and my own business, trying to create jobs over here. I know men’s lives here face hardship, but we can still make our own opportunities. I know some men here may still feel that it is more lucrative for them overseas, it would be a double standard for me to say otherwie since I married foreign. I just hope that like me, they come back. Our younger men, sons, daughters, will need our “leadership” in informing them of our experience, so they can better follow what civilization has learned over thousands of years that ur leaders can’t seem to get.

I pray every man gets what we lament that we are losing, good prospects for marriage, I encourage them to look overseas, many women here are like cancer for us long term. BUT COME BACK, we still need you here! LOL

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 06:21

Uncle Elmer

Correct.

Just to add one snippet to that. If you do decide to travel or go and visit the EU. Try not to march in and anounce to everyone within earshot and beyond “I am an American.” Tone it right down and most will give you much time hospitality and probably friendship.

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J May 7, 2012 at 06:21

Times get tight over here, and I know you have a very valid point and I mainly agree with you, however people who work hard despite their problems tend to ultimately wera them t, and flurish. *
wear them down and flourish*

I need to get a new keyboard, this one has several keys broken. LOL sorry, but I can spell! LOL

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W.F. Price May 7, 2012 at 06:23

This is my view of the Netherlands and Amsterdam (never been to Latvia, indeed, I purposely choose not to know exactly where it is other than behind a rusting curtain).

The Netherlands are flat. The weather is the same as England (but a few hours later). The language is the same as English but badly spelt and pronounced back-to-front. It used to be very relaxed but the last time I was there it seemed less so. Drugs are readily available (as are Bicycles and Tulips). The women have large bones and are fair. Opus has some Dutch blood on his Mother’s side (De Witt) and my Father visited Arnhem in 1944.

-Opus

Yes, Dutch women are quite fair. And not too large boned (from an American POV). It seemed ultra relaxed to me. And pleasant. Other than the boring weather and scenery, it’s a really nice place. I’ve got a little Dutch blood on my mother’s side, too (Van Sickle).

So tell us (as we all need to know): Did you enjoy the Red-Light District?

You’ll have to ask me in a couple days. I’ll be back in Amsterdam tomorrow before the flight home, and maybe I’ll take a stroll through it.

Okrahead May 7, 2012 at 06:34

I hear the Czech Republic is nice…. Not nearly as P.C. as many countries further west in Europe, and you can own and carry a firearm. Okay, I know I’m showing my redneck side here, but there’s no way I’m moving to a European country where my natural right to self defense is not recognized.

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Kyubi May 7, 2012 at 06:35

Seriously, don’t believe that Europe is better than US, we have the same problem as you in US: Feminism law, cultural Marxism, political correctness…
Our women are slut they usually start sex at 15… So if you want to get a correct women you should goes foreign women, In Europe women are AWALT…
Here in France we have just voted for a commie, I wouldn’t be surprised that our country will goes like Greece in the next 2 years if not before…
Beware !!!

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 06:58

J

“I need to get a new keyboard, this one has several keys broken. LOL sorry, but I can spell! LOL”

That reminds me, I must get the little finger put back on my watch.

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J May 7, 2012 at 07:07

LOL, hey odd, can you do me a favor?

Go here, and be as brutally honest as possible.

http://www.gloriusbastard.com/wordpress

It is an older version, does not have all of the new material. But I am working it. If I seem totally crazy, tell me, if it seems good, but could be better thats fine too.

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meistergedanken May 7, 2012 at 07:22

Opus wrote: “…my Father visited Arnhem in 1944.”

Was this part of Montgomery’s disastrous Operation Market Garden?
[Check out that episode of the HBO miniseries "Band of Brothers" - good stuff]

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 07:28

J

First glance, interesting stuff, not sure about the colours though, a bit too drab for my taste.

Something that you may wish to consider? I am a big fan of Chapins Inferno ( Bernard Chapin) I remember him saying that he noticed a few years back that many visitors/subscribers to his site would not read most of what he had spent many hours putting together, articles were far too long to hold interest, people get bored etc. It seems only the fanatical or academic type would spend the time to read it all.

Basically it boiled down to people being increasingly lazy. It seems most would much prefer to listen to a youtube or podcast on a particular topic rather than read. Must admit, I am getting that way myself. A lengthy article on a given topic would have to be of a very special interest to me to make me want to read further. You see mate, the contents are never really a problem, its the holding the attention and/or interest of the subscriber thats key. Simply put, people are lazy gits and want the info delivered as easy as possible, 10 minutes youtube seem to be just about right. Just means you have to keep adding further parts to get your point across.

Hope that was of some help?

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Joe May 7, 2012 at 07:33

I don’t think the cowboys knew how good they had it…..
I’m still envious of their free roaming ways…..
Still daydreamin’ about headin’ up to the Yukon….
Go wherever you must, Young Man, just get out of Dodge ’cause the sheriff is one hell of a son-of-a-b*tch and is on the payroll of the Women’s League of Extortionists.
Wherever you go, try to avoid California the best you can.

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Hf May 7, 2012 at 07:35

Though a lot of Europe can seem more pleasant, and less bureaucratically oppressive, Id have to agree with the above posters. Much of Europe has had far-reaching bureaucracy for quite some time, and I believe it is likely that the zeitgeist has simply just shifted to be more accepting and/or familiar with it. Europe, and more precisely, many of its cultures, have been around for a very long time. When a culture has existed for long enough, its people can then have a cultural identity. An identity that the people have had a hand in hashing and ironing out for 100s and 100s of years. One in which they can accept and relate to. Here in the US, we are a very young country by typical western standards, and are a mixture of numerous cultures, with none being a solely “American” identity. Yet. We are still hashing this out and in time, this could change.

Alas, that all being said, the pull of a pleasant and peaceful life is strong. Anyone ever hear the song by Jimmy Buffet, “Margaritaville”? Anyway, found a nice little gem for anyone considering Expatriation:
(http://www.)internations.org/localcommunities/countries/more

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Hf May 7, 2012 at 07:37

Hmm, guess Ill have to work on getting those links in there without them actually linking. My apologies, Mr Price

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Opus May 7, 2012 at 07:47

@meistergedanken

there were no other flights to the Netherlands that year.

It was a Bridge too Far.

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AfOR May 7, 2012 at 07:47

“Anyone can work and make it big in the states” (paraphrased, not quoted)

ah yes, the apex fallacy still sucking em in, P T Barnum would be proud.

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 07:51

Opus

Ooh very subtle. Obviously not a fan of the Chubby Brown style.

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J May 7, 2012 at 07:55

@Odd

Thanks mate. You hit exactly what I was thinking right on the spot. I love the colors, but was maybe thinking it was too dark. My wife said it was “scary.” LOL

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 08:12

J

No problem mate, anytime. Keep in mind I am simply sharing what I have heard and my personal preference. Its your site your work. It all depends I suppose on what you want to achieve with it ?

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J May 7, 2012 at 08:24

Hey Welmer, what do you think? http://www.gloriusbastard.com/wordpress

Odd says

J

First glance, interesting stuff, not sure about the colours though, a bit too drab for my taste.

Something that you may wish to consider? I am a big fan of Chapins Inferno ( Bernard Chapin) I remember him saying that he noticed a few years back that many visitors/subscribers to his site would not read most of what he had spent many hours putting together, articles were far too long to hold interest, people get bored etc. It seems only the fanatical or academic type would spend the time to read it all.

Basically it boiled down to people being increasingly lazy. It seems most would much prefer to listen to a youtube or podcast on a particular topic rather than read. Must admit, I am getting that way myself. A lengthy article on a given topic would have to be of a very special interest to me to make me want to read further. You see mate, the contents are never really a problem, its the holding the attention and/or interest of the subscriber thats key. Simply put, people are lazy gits and want the info delivered as easy as possible, 10 minutes youtube seem to be just about right. Just means you have to keep adding further parts to get your point across.

Hope that was of some help?

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Troll King May 7, 2012 at 08:26

Aaaahh, Amsterdam and the Red Light District.

So many memories.

I had a few layovers there when flying from Egypt back to the states as a teen in MS and HS.

Weed and booze….and losing my virginity…lolz.

There are definate upsides to being a international latchkey kid being interchanged between parents in different countries.

OT.

In the 800+ comment thread I posted a long comment with many links that was ontopic, or so I thought, to the actual article, “good sex, bad sex” and it completely disapeared after it said it was awaiting moderation.

I intentionally put so many links in the comment because I was hoping you would respond to it and I wanted it to get noticed.

Did you see it, Price?

Recently I have been reading up on the poly “scene” and how it is feminist sexual desire manifest. That is what my comment was about.

It would be really interesting to apply many things we talk about in the manosphere to the poly “scene”.

Things like:

Alpha/beta/omega
the macro effects
paternity
feminine desire
alpha harems
and so on.

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J May 7, 2012 at 08:26

@Welmer,

Last post on the topic, promise. I have way more work to do on it. I will be covering a lot of material. Mainly Men’s rights, but a lot of other stuff as well.

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keyster May 7, 2012 at 08:40

To be fair, you’re comparing a few weeks in a couple of areas in Europe to the Seattle area in Washington state. Had you been in Athens or Paris, perhaps even Madrid, you would have been able to cut the political tension with a knife.

The new French president is raising the highest tax rate to 75% for “social justice”. (If you make more than 1 million euros you get to keep 250, not including property and sales taxes.) He also promises to better “integrate” the Muslim population there (AA). Imagine Obama not having two other branches of government to keep him in check. How much tax is enough? What’s “fair”?

Life isn’t fair. Not everyone is beautiful, talented and lucky.
The only path to emancipation of men is laissez faire capitalism. It’s harsh for those that are lazy and incompetent, but it’s the only hope for innovation and continued prosperity…or we can become more like France…a life of leisure on the govt dole and economic stagnation, kinda like now.

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 08:48

Keyster

“Not everyone is beautiful, talented and lucky.”

Speak for yourself matey !

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J May 7, 2012 at 08:50

<——agrees with Keyster, an feels there is something else. Not sure what it is, but there is most definitely something going on in Europe. I fear that their fear of instability is going to make them go crazy again, like they have several times in the past 2000 years. Hitler being the worst. When times get tough, some get going, others beg and plead for a "leader." I am not saying the Anti-Christ, not necessarily, but they do have a burdening economic disaster waiting to happen. They have been well documented throughout history of going to war when they hit economic hardship.

Not quite sure, but I sense that their growing muslim population is going to demand more and more "rights" as they are already "integrating" into government. They already have Sharia courts established there. Makes me wonder what is next?

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AfOR May 7, 2012 at 08:53

@ Keyster
“Life isn’t fair. Not everyone is beautiful, talented and lucky.
The only path to emancipation of men is laissez faire capitalism. It’s harsh for those that are lazy and incompetent, but it’s the only hope for innovation and continued prosperity…or we can become more like France…a life of leisure on the govt dole and economic stagnation, kinda like now.”

I really haven’t read such an ignorant and just plain bullshit description of France since the cheese eating surrender monkeys.

France can and does fucking feed itself, you know how rare that is?

France, gov’t subsidies or not, actually has a national car industry still, you know how rare that is? And no, don’t tell me the fucking USA does, it doesn’t.

France is hope to SHIT loads of cutting edge tech, and spending shitloads on R&R

France is now de-facto world leader, by a long fucking way, in nuke civil power plants, unlike you backwater bitches in the states burning lignite for fucks sake.

France also the only EU country with the balls to ban the burka

I could go on and on…

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 09:03

J

As a few of us tin foil hat nutters have been desperatley trying to get through to people.

It is simply history repeating itself. You say as much in your post above. WW3 is the next stage. It is already underway. Financial weapons of mass destruction are being used by all sides as we speak.
Greece is just small potatoes. Wait until Spain France Italy start to go. Most Americans have not got the faintest idea that they are on the hook for many millions of Euros or that the FED has been secretly proping up the Euro for the last few years. Look it up. Its a race to the bottom and it matters not one jot to us plebs which currency goes first.

Course, many people will still want to laugh and deny what is happening right before their eyes. WW1 WW2 had the exact same scenario prior to the onset of both wars. Look it up. Maybe you think no one is mad enough to start a WW3 ? The same people said that after WW1. The great war, the war to end all wars.

Simple, history repeats.

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keyster May 7, 2012 at 09:39

France, gov’t subsidies or not, actually has a national car industry still, you know how rare that is? And no, don’t tell me the fucking USA does, it doesn’t.

Your defense of France is heart warming.
Who could forget the Peugeot or the Renault?

Let’s see how things work out for M. Hollande in a few years.
Eventually he’s going to run out of other people’s money.
They might have to bring back the guillotine.

Europe teeters on the brink and austerity is now off the table.
Just be glad you’re seperated by water and not in the Eurozone.

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 09:47

Keyster

Good grief man. How can you be so damned clueless? Its not about america or americans being attacked. This is about reality and trying to awaken you and as many other americans as possible. The USA is fucked bankrupt many times over just the same as most other western countries including the UK and the EU it has fuck all to do with socialism or cultural marxism or fucking communists.

WAKE UP !

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Anonymous Reader May 7, 2012 at 10:03

@ Keyster
“Life isn’t fair. Not everyone is beautiful, talented and lucky.
The only path to emancipation of men is laissez faire capitalism. It’s harsh for those that are lazy and incompetent, but it’s the only hope for innovation and continued prosperity…or we can become more like France…a life of leisure on the govt dole and economic stagnation, kinda like now.”

AfOR

I really haven’t read such an ignorant and just plain bullshit description of France since the cheese eating surrender monkeys.
France can and does fucking feed itself, you know how rare that is?

I dunno. How rare is that?
The recent election of the weekend seems to me to be a vote against arithmetic. One of Sarko’s major achievements to ‘save’ the French pension system involved increasing the retirement age from 60 all the way up to 62. The Socialists have pledged to reverse that. The 35 hour working week remains sacrosanct. France’s debt-to-GDP ratio is approaching 100%, and in almost every case in the past that has led to varying forms of financial collapse (the US is heading that way as well). France is a very bureaucratic state (the word “bureaucrat” is French…) and it’s no place to start a business, although if one goes the right college & gets the right government job, it’s great.

The long term demographics for France are not much better than any other European country.

France, gov’t subsidies or not, actually has a national car industry still, you know how rare that is? And no, don’t tell me the fucking USA does, it doesn’t.

So does Italy, if I recall correctly. So what?

France is hope to SHIT loads of cutting edge tech, and spending shitloads on R&R

Any numbers?

France is now de-facto world leader, by a long fucking way, in nuke civil power plants, unlike you backwater bitches in the states burning lignite for fucks sake.

Hm. France has 58 standardized nuclear reactors (a Westinghouse design IIRC) that generated 431 billion KWH, about 78% of the total national electrical output.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf40.html

By the way, the Socialist party candidate pledged, if I recall correctly, to shut down older nuclear plants (possibly up to 24). We’ll see if that really happens or not.

The US’s 104 nuclear reactors generated 807 billion KWH, about 20% of total national electrical output, and about 30% of the total world nuclear power generation. A small number of new reactors are in the planning or development stage. US energy policy is heavily hampered by various groups that don’t understand the laws of thermodynamics.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf41.html

The French government made a good decision in 1974 to go with nuclear for baseload electrical generation. Since France has been a very centralized, top-down state going back to the 17th century, it works for them to have a single, standard reactor design and a single government agency in charge. France exports a lot of electricity, in part because baseload nuclear plants are not just turned on and off like an electric tea kettle. They also take longer to bring up and shut down than natural gas fired plants – most of the new generation in the US is natgas fired, and more flexible. But for France, a country roughly the size of Texas, it is a good solution.

However, I don’t see how any of that makes France the leader in nuclear power, and I’m not aware of any coal fired power plant in the US running on lignite. There used to be some years ago, but to the best of my knowledge they were shut down or changed over to harder coal in the 1970′s – 80′s. The biggest lignite fired plant in the world was in Poland, and I believe it was shut down in the late 90′s.

France also the only EU country with the balls to ban the burka

For now. After a few more years of “integration” of North Africans into French culture, that ban may become moot. Please note that the majority of births in France are to immigrants of various sorts, and a whole lot of them are named “Mohammed”. The demographics do not support the current bureaucratic state in the long run.

I could go on and on…

No doubt about that.
Maybe you and Brittany could get together for some quality time…

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Opus May 7, 2012 at 10:12

Yes, but is Monsieur Hollande, Dutch?

I’ll miss that Carla Bruni (a solid 9 I’d say).

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Anonymous Reader May 7, 2012 at 10:14

Welmer, one problem with US men expating is US tax law. The US reserves the right to tax its citizens anywhere on the planet, although if one is out of country long enough and stays away, the tax rate gets lower. Some people I know who have worked on various out of country contracts were / are very careful about how long they visit the US, in order to avoid getting chopped at the knees with a big tax bill.

Banking secrecy isn’t what it used to be, either. The Austrian and Swiss banks have been pried open by Uncle Sam – so much so that some Swiss banks don’t want Americans as depositor anymore, too much hassle. Maybe a Hong Kong bank, or something in Dubai, or Singapore would offer privacy. I dunno. But holding funds overseas with any privacy is a lot harder than it used to be, for the ordinary Joe.

Actual immigration – giving up US citizenship – can be expensive. A number of laws were quietly passed in the last 10 years or so that levy some nifty special taxes on those folks. Easier to keep the US passport.

Watching the election in Greece and France, I’m struck by the return of nationalism. For now it’s being played down, because the transnational elite don’t believe in it. However, if groups like Le Pen’s in France, the Golden Dawn (sic?) in Greece, etc. keep on getting votes, then either they’ll have to be taken into account, or basically elections suspended.

As the demographic and debt problems continue to roll across Europe, it may become more difficult to be an expat in those countries, unless one’s working off the books.

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Anonymous Reader May 7, 2012 at 10:16

Opus
Yes, but is Monsieur Hollande, Dutch?

Well, he’s going to be the latest guy with his thumb in the dike…

I’ll miss that Carla Bruni (a solid 9 I’d say).

Rumor has it that Madame Hollande’s nickname is “the Rottweiler”.
No idea why…

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meistergedanken May 7, 2012 at 10:18

Not to worry Opus – Hollande’s mistress is pretty hot, too:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139237/Francois-Hollandes-wife-Valerie-Trierweiler-wants-Frances-new-First-Lady.html

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AfOR May 7, 2012 at 10:51

@ oddsock

pimping myself

and in other news the French and the Greeks are laying places at the table for the arrival of the Archduke Ferdinand, and the main course is the Euro, as toast.

“Balkanisation” is a word that has entered our lexicons (or those of us old enough to go to school back when schools actually provided an education, as opposed to turning out mindless sheeple) and yet it is also a historical word that came from fragmentation leading to war, and yet we are seeing the balkanisation of various regions, including, err, the balkans, and Turkey (the Evil Penis should comment on this) is feeling its oats.

http://wimminz.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/where-have-all-the-flowers-good-men-leaders-gone/

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AfOR May 7, 2012 at 10:54

@ keyster

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/two-charts-exposing-americas-record-shadow-welfare-state

There was a little mentioned tangent to last Friday’s very disappointing NFP print of +115,000 (driven by a surge in temp jobs offsetting a collapse in full time positions): as David Rosenberg notes, the jobs number was about half of another far more important number – that of Americans applying for disability, which in April was +225,000. He continues: “this is the new stealth stimulus program – so far in 2011, nearly one million Americans have applied for disability and year-to-date, 333k have actually enrolled (covering 539k family members). In total, more than five million people have been added to disability coverage since President Obama took over three years ago.” The punchline will make all those who adore (insolvent) welfare states shake with giddy delight: “So look – either safety standards at work have eroded dramatically or the “99%” have found a creative way to milk the system and turn the economy into a quasi welfare state”…. Yup. What he said. Because remember: the BLS assumes that any amount up to the total 53 million people, is not in the labor force as they have other “wefare” based forms of government handouts and see no need at all to look for a job. Is there any wonder why US unemployment is realistically 20% if not much higher? As for the other chart, food stamps, we know that story all too well.

etc

still. at least it aint SOCIALIST eh…

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Opus May 7, 2012 at 11:27

I know little of economics, so in the endless Spearhead battles on that topic I have no idea who is talking sense and who merde. What I do know, however, is that when it comes to fighting the French are so useless that I cannot think of a single French victory anywhere, ever, except when they beat themselves in 1789.

No, the people you have to worry about are the Germans. Any country that can defeat three Roman Legions (A.D.9) deserved respect – and got it. Then they took over the Roman Empire and even to this day are installed as Principes at Rome. Arguably the best Army in WW2, fighting the Russians in the East and the British/Americans in the West they were – in football parlance – robbed.

I am merely a stout yeoman of olde England and any impression that I may give of an anti-French bias is entirely coincidental and genetically based. This is just a personal view and the facts may differ.

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keyster May 7, 2012 at 11:46

The USA is fucked bankrupt many times over just the same as most other western countries including the UK and the EU it has fuck all to do with socialism or cultural marxism or fucking communists.

It’s easy to collect taxes for yet more entitlements and government programs when the economy is good. But when the bubble bursts, you ALSO need to able to cut these entitlements back; which is why they probably should have never existed to begin with. Politicians NEVER repeal bills, they just pass them.

The USA is being propped up by lenders…for now. When the feces hits the fan we’ll either print more money, creating hyper-inflation or just go into default and lay off several million government workers, who’ll take to the streets – – ala Greece. The states will follow, one at a time and the Union will be more tenuous than the Civil War era.

Republicans seem to have a sense of urgency about the debt. The Democrats aren’t worried at all; they think we should spend even more and raise taxes to cover it! Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman says, $1 Trillion more in government spending is needed ASAP. See what we’re up against?

Fact is, even if Republicans got all the spending cuts they wanted and Democrats got all the “revenue” increases they wanted – – we’re still feckin’ fecked. The most booming, robust economy in the history of the world can’t make up for $20 Trillion in debt in time to save it.

I’m not asleep.

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 11:50

Opus

Can’t say much about the French and war etc but there are many things I admire about them, I suppose I admire most the people and their ability to stand up to their government. I am talking post guillotine here. Asfor the Germans, also much to be admired but also much to be feared. Many historians and various other scholars warned that it would be a major mistake if the world ever let East and West Germany re-unite. Many now fear that what they failed to do via warfare in WW1 & 2 they have now almost completed through finance. They have , yet again Europe under its control and power without hardly a shot being fired.

As I said previously, history always repeats itself.

P.s. Don’t forget our Royal family are also German

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 11:56

German roots still a royal embarrassment

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/01/Royal_Nazis.html

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 12:02

Keyster

I will say this, reading quite a few of your recent posts I would say you are certainly on the way to grasping the enormity of the problem. Hopefuly you will eventually see, a republican or demorcrat president matters not one jot. It is just smoke and mirrors.

On a far more serious note. My greatest fear is that the PTB will be successful with their overall plan and their method of achieving it.

Feminism will be the very least of all our problems.

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Anonymous Reader May 7, 2012 at 12:19

Speaking of France reminds me of a song…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM_lXwJpZCg

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Anonymous Reader May 7, 2012 at 12:22

AofR, I believe it was L. Neil Smith who coined the term “Rotarian Socialism” back in the late 70′s or early 80′s. Nothing new…

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Anonymous Reader May 7, 2012 at 12:30

Opus, at the current birth rate in Germany, the native born population is already in decline & the percentage of population under 30 will continue to be dwarfed by the growth in pensioners over 60.

The demographic collapse of Europe is something not seen since the Black Death. At least in the 14th century, political leaders in Europe had the good sense not to invite the Ottomans in for tea.

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Anonymous Reader May 7, 2012 at 12:42

Opus, who is dominating whom? Go to, oh, Frankfurt and have some walkies ’round the town, ask the average Fritz how valuable the “economic domination” of Greece and Portugal is to him. The relationship of Germany to the southern half of the EU is a lot like the modern male/female relationship. Germany has a lot of responsibility, but no authority. Germany has to pay the credit card bill, while Greece, Italy, Portugal “go shopping” and there’s no way to cut off the credit line that is practical.

I think the best solution to the Greek debt would be for the Germans to get their pick of the nicer Greek islands, and Greece would cede them in exchange for wiping out the debt. The islands would then get some kind of Commonwealth status – so the water works and the sewer plant and the ports would all be run by Germans. The cops would be German, the roads would be fixed by Germans, etc.
Things would work, reliably, and with minimal corruption.

Do that and watch the property values on those islands take off, especially retirees buying property. Heck, I bet there would be a lot of vacation travel from Turkey and other countries as well.

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 12:48

Anonymous Reader

An even better idea would be for the Greek people to do an “Iceland” and tell the IMF the Germans bankers & the ECB to go feck themselves.

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alpha May 7, 2012 at 12:59

speaking of ze french,
rumour has it their new leader wishes to join the BRIC group and help create an alternative to the dollar as world currency, and an alternative to the IMF/World Bank

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Anonymous Reader May 7, 2012 at 13:03

Opus, I don’t think the Greeks have it in them to do what Iceland did.
Not at this time, anyway.

alpha, that would be perfect in a way, because the wheels are coming off of the bus in Brazil. Again.

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 13:16

AfOR

http://wimminz.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/where-have-all-the-flowers-good-men-leaders-gone/

Excellent !

J

Go and have a read. I am not saying that is the style to adopt, just a good example of holding the attention/interest of the reader.

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keyster May 7, 2012 at 13:32

I will say this, reading quite a few of your recent posts I would say you are certainly on the way to grasping the enormity of the problem. Hopefuly you will eventually see, a republican or demorcrat president matters not one jot.

@Sock
I’m not an idealogue, I’m a pragmatist.
I’m not out to save the world “one vote at at time”.
I destroy Leftist dogma because I enjoy doing so.
It’s especially fun to do within a feminist context.
I’m a registered Libertarian, for what that’s worth!
I only think Republicans are marginally better in the grand scheme, at the surface level; at least better for not giving women free stuff.

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 13:47

Keyster

Fair comment. I am often just a little confused as to why you need to bang on about cultural marxism being the problem. Ok, on the surface there may well be some truth in what you say however I am still of the opinion that regardless of the political label, they are only smoke and mirrors for a much bigger agenda.

Meanwhile and oddly enough I just came across this article that may go some way in explaining what is actually happening in Europe to yourself and fellow Americans. Enjoy.

Lets talk about Germany:

Germany wants to do with banks what it couldn’t do with tanks

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2012/05/07/lets-talk-about-germany?utm_source=Website+Subscribers&utm_campaign=a3676e3099-07052012&utm_medium=email

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Opus May 7, 2012 at 14:01

‘If this is Monday, it must be Latvia’. I remember that film or something like it. So my question to Welmer, is; Do you recognise that Europe (whatever its extent maybe) – from Icleand in the arctic circle to Las Canarias way down off the African coast (adjacent to Western Sahara) from Ireland (wet and green) and The Azores (in the west) to Greece and beyond (in the east) and with as many and probably more languages than countries and many ancient religious and secular rivalries is considerably more diverse and with a larger population than the U.S.A. where the difference between Los Angeles and D.C. is not really that great in comparison?

Personally, I doubt that Europe can ever truly unite and really (apart from turncoats like the Belgiques) doesn’t want to. We made our bid fort freedom in 1536 and have not been in any real sense part of Europe since than and for that I am eternally grateful to Henry Tudor.

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Hf May 7, 2012 at 14:27

Anonymous Reader:
“Welmer, one problem with US men expating is US tax law. The US reserves the right to tax its citizens anywhere on the planet, although if one is out of country long enough and stays away, the tax rate gets lower. Some people I know who have worked on various out of country contracts were / are very careful about how long they visit the US, in order to avoid getting chopped at the knees with a big tax bill.”

This is true, and on top of that, some countries that have a higher expat population are started to pass laws that target those expats or rather, future expats. Costa Rica for instance, in 2010, passed a new sets of laws changing what is needed for an expat to become a legal citizen. Laws that centered around the amount of money an expat needed to put into the local government (investments, business ownership, savings etc). Furthermore, CR changed its laws to be more beneficial to local squatters while at the same time making it more difficult for an expat to own property. All centering around the greenback, of course. I do believe existing expats in CR, in this case, were grandfathered in and not required to adhere to the new expat laws.

However, an expat can usually bypass the US and expat-targeted tax laws though, generally by marrying a local national or becoming the father of a local national.

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ahamkara May 7, 2012 at 14:39

Leaving the US is starting to look better and better. I’m trapped here for the next 12 years because of family law, but I have visions of moving abroad when my kids reach 18 – and hopefully convincing them to come with me. The world could be a very different place in 12 years. I believe people’s comments about WW3 approaching. But I’m nothing more than an indentured servant in this country, and unless things change drastically in the next 12 years I’d have to have a serious emotional disorder to devote my work and productivity to a country that has betrayed me so badly. And I certainly couldn’t recommend in good conscience that my children remain here as adults.

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RMM May 7, 2012 at 14:45

@Price:

“Furthermore, the amount of bureaucratic control over people’s lives is a lot higher than in Europe, as far as I can tell.”

That’s because you were just visiting (and truth to be told, it varies by country). I made the same mistake with Germany, but it was an entirely different kettle of fish when I moved there on a permanent basis.

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Eric May 7, 2012 at 14:46

Opus:
LOL-When did the British army last win war without help? Some vets I knew from both World Wars when I was a kid used to say: ‘The British will always fight to the last drop of somebody else’s blood.’

The highest British casuality rates in both wars were among the Canadians and Australians.

After our War of Independence, American leaders like Franklin, Jefferson and Jackson saw threat of Anglo-Puritan culture rotting out America from within in the future and tried to encourage French and other cultural influences to flourish here. They turned out to be right, since our both our neo-Puritan social conservatism and radical feminism were direct imports from England. So was our getting involved militarily in WW1, WW2, and the current quagmires in the Middle East.

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Eric May 7, 2012 at 14:55

Keyster:
‘The only path open to the liberation of men is laissez-faire capitalism.’

Ummm, Keyster…we HAD laissez-faire capitalism and the corporatists brought us female ‘workplace inclusion’ to drive wages down and reduce male bargaining-power in the workforce. It was the unions (excluding government unions like the teachers’ unions) who fought AGAINST feminism.

It was corporatists like George Bush Sr. and Clarence Thomas who, in the early 1990s, made ‘reverse discrimination’ into national policy. Thomas headed the EEOC in 1991, and authored the directive that puts the burden of proof in discrimination cases on the employer when a woman or minority made the accusation.

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Eric May 7, 2012 at 15:02

Keyster;

‘…more like France, a life of leisure on the government dole.’

Unlike Wall Street, whose sole claim to productivity is outsourcing US manufacturing and trading slips of paper around; then getting subsidies from the government…

In France, the French workers hardly lead a ‘life of leisure on the government dole’ especially in the agricultural districts. It’s just that their government is wise enough to value French industry and workers instead of turning them all into corporate-run, service-industry, wage-slaves like here; so they have some protections and a safety-net in place.

And BTW, how do France’s public schools measure up against ours?

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Harry May 7, 2012 at 15:11

Intervention needed:

For the love of god, comment on this dumb-ass article written by a land whale.

http://living.msn.com/love-relationships/everyday-champions/article?cp-documentid=31062071&ocid=todlf11

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shiva1008 May 7, 2012 at 15:20

Arizona bans funding to Planned Parenthood in abortion fight

http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-bans-funding-planned-parenthood-abortion-fight-032512974.html

Some interesting things happening in Arizona, what with this and their stance on immigration. Maybe the cracks are starting to appear in the dam?

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Opus May 7, 2012 at 15:26

@Eric

Well that is a novel take on military history- Americans as Victims of the British! We are responsible for your involvement in WW1, WW2, Iraq, and apparently for your feminist troubles too and although the slaughter of WW1 turned many english women into cat-herding spinsters and widows the Canadians and Australians were the main victims in the Empire. Spoken like a true patriot however, and I would have expected nothing less. Naturally I am bound to see things somewhat differently. By the way can we have the tax you owe us (plus interest) that remains outstanding form 1776.

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AfOR May 7, 2012 at 15:30

as a matter of fact, more yanks (troops) died in europe in WW2 than english, by a large margin

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J May 7, 2012 at 15:32

Thanks for the link Odd, but that is too drab for me. LOL, I think I will stick with my color scheme for right now, maybe tweak it a little later. Hopefully I can get a ton of stuff packed in it before I really gt going. My goal is say 10 days. I should have a really great start for articles, and have the finished product. I plan on covering a lot, so I will be very busy. LOL

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 15:41

Funny how some posters always seem to get around to boasting or arguing over how many MEN were killed in the wars. Always seems to follow a troll attack for some strange reason.

Wouldn’t it be great if one day we could argue over how few men were being killed because of our awarenes raising on such sites as the spearhead.

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Opus May 7, 2012 at 15:49

I see I have failed to answer Eric’s question which is ‘When did the British Army last win a war without help’?

I might, of course, reverse the question and ask when did the Americans last win a war without British help. As far as I can recall we have helped America win every war it ever entered into (except of course Grenada when you had the audacity to invade the Empire) and the only time you lost (Vietnam) is when we were not there to assist. When however we are left to our own devices (Falklands, Malaya, El Alamein) we win.

Good God man, next you’ll be claiming Waterloo as a Prussian victory.

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 15:55

Opus

Come on mate don’t bite. This is a classic thread and flame war destroyer tactic. Its old hat.

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piercedhead May 7, 2012 at 15:56

The South Pacific presents another perspective.

Most of these island nations are too small to offer much in the way of reward, and even if you did strike it rich, the local government would quickly relieve you of anything more than ordinary. The average joe has long ago learned to live just like everyone else, and forego the prospect of ever being a billionaire.

On the other side of that coin though, everyone’s well fed, adequately schooled and lives in a pleasant place with a pleasing climate. There is very little violent crime, the police do not go around shooting people and innocent people do not get executed (even the guilty escape it). You may not like their gun laws, but then again, you’re not going to need that gun so much anyhow.

In small scale economies with self-sustaining land and climate, it becomes fairly obvious that it doesn’t actually take all that much to provide materially for a person.

Obviously, there will always be one or two countries dominating the Earth, and the price these countries pay for that particular prize is always borne by its citizens, but so long as you are still free to leave, that doesn’t have to be you.

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Art Vandelay May 7, 2012 at 16:03

I’m glad you enjoyed it here. But keep in mind, you visited the Netherlands and Latvia, you weren’t in Europe as a whole. We are a very diverse continent, much like America. Also keep in mind you got your holiday glasses on. If you choose to be in a country and you don’t have bad experiences there you tend to view it in a lighter light than the natives. I enjoyed the USA as well. But I wasn’t dragged through family court there, and the only unpleasant thing was a kind of weird interview with the TSA. Now, what can we learn from each other? Did you have time to connect with any mens rights people over here?

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keyster May 7, 2012 at 16:34

Fair comment. I am often just a little confused as to why you need to bang on about cultural marxism being the problem.

Modern feminist dogma has it’s roots in cultural marxism.
Read Marcuse and Fromm.

Ummm, Keyster…we HAD laissez-faire capitalism and the corporatists brought us female ‘workplace inclusion’ to drive wages down and reduce male bargaining-power in the workforce. It was the unions (excluding government unions like the teachers’ unions) who fought AGAINST feminism.

Laissez-faire capitalism has no “bargaining power” with workers. You go and you work and you get paid, and if its not enough money you go somewhere else or start your own business.

Government MANDATED quotas and “women’s liberation chic” brought women into the workplace. I don’t recall Unions fighting feminism. Perhaps they should have fought automation.

The SEIU (service workers) is majority female.

The teachers unions (NEA and NFT) are by far the biggest unions (and most powerful) in the country; also majority female. Much like the quality of our cars had declined, so has our educational system.

It was corporatists like George Bush Sr. and Clarence Thomas who, in the early 1990s, made ‘reverse discrimination’ into national policy. Thomas headed the EEOC in 1991, and authored the directive that puts the burden of proof in discrimination cases on the employer when a woman or minority made the accusation.

There is no reverse discrimination policy in place anywhere, (but there should be.) There have been some legal precedents set by the Supremes, but no actual policy or legislation at the federal or state levels.

The burden of proof against discrimination should be on the employer.

It’s just that their government is wise enough to value French industry and workers instead of turning them all into corporate-run, service-industry, wage-slaves like here; so they have some protections and a safety-net in place.

You make it sound like a workers paradise.
Have you ever worked there?
Protections and safety nets all add to the cost of product or service.
Which why shit in Europe always costs more.

BTW, how do France’s public schools measure up against ours?

I have no idea.

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keyster May 7, 2012 at 16:48

By the way can we have the tax you owe us (plus interest) that remains outstanding form 1776.

We’re still pretty bitter about you guys doing that. I mean let us enjoy our tea without King George taking a cut.

And don’t even get me started on that whole 1812 fiasco!

Take Ricky Gervais and Russell Brand back and all will be forgiven.

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codebuster May 7, 2012 at 17:37

Europe’s all well and good, and I would depart to live in Europe tomorrow if I could. Been there and tried that before. The immigration bullshit, the hoops you have to jump through just to get a job. RMM, if it was other than marriage, how might you have managed to land Germany?

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Eric May 7, 2012 at 18:44

Oddsock/Opus;
‘Wouldn’t it be great if one day we could boast of how few men were being killed because of awareness raising…’

Wait a couple of so years. I’m going to go on record and predict that, as the MRM gathers steam, we’ll start a correspondingly sharp decline in things like male suicide rates.

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Eric May 7, 2012 at 18:52

Oddsock:
‘It always seems to follow a troll attack.’

You’re probably right. It think it has something to do with everyone getting their fighting spirits up, and it takes some down-time for the adreneline to wear off. I remember commenting during the recent troll attack how it was amazing to watch all of us who argue here on a regular basis uniting against the Futrelle-bots.

BTW, I’ve also talked to Russians who insist they won both world wars without any help from the British, Americans, or French.

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Eric May 7, 2012 at 19:06

Price:
After reading all the recent posts from you, Uncle Elmer, and Anon@70; I’m really stuck on deciding where my next vacation ought to be.

Latin America: I have an advantage here of speaking Spanish, knowing some people, and having lived/visited there previously, and also being Catholic. And the women are awesome!

Asia: Again the women are awesome! I haven’t been there before, but have been exposed to considerable Asian culture here on the Pacific Coast. There’s a certain exotic attraction to the region.

Europe: The women are awesome, also a seemingly a lot more diverse than the other two cultures. I have cultural connections to Europe (a German maternal grandmother and a French paternal great-grandmother), and speak some the languages over there.

What are your recommendations?

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TiredGuy May 7, 2012 at 19:16

@ piercedhead – As a half white, half islander I can definitely confirm what you say. I live in the islands, but often travel to the west for business. In fact, I’m in Australia at the moment.

Before I married, I used to have a lot of fun in Australia and New Zealand. Most of the islander immigrants would shame any daughters that slept around, but the white women would put out more often than a prostitute.

But thats the upside – taxes are fairly high here (about one third of income and profit), and yes, guns are restricted to hunting firearms (I only own two rimfire rifles for my farm). But then again, most people are unarmed, so it’s not a big deal.

The pacific is really only an option _if_ you don’t mind living a simple country lifestyle, and if you can put up with the racism that you _will_ endure. Not from the locals, but from white women who don’t take too kindly to “evil foreigners” stealing “their” men. Even to this day my white father still gets evil glares from feminists for “betraying his race”. Even when the feminists are on holiday, they find time to spread their hate.

Perhaps we should pay you to keep them over there…

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Glenn May 7, 2012 at 19:40

I recently read a post on one of the more popular men’s rights forums, a “nice” webpage, so to speak. One of the sock-puppets there equated American men going overseas as “pandering to foreign women”, in as many words.

I will assert again, and as often as required, that the secret terror of all queers, lesbos, and two-bit saboteurs is the concept of men actually getting on a plane and unplugging from the matrix. As far as I know, this is the only mens site of any significance that discuses travel as a means to establish some much needed equilibrium.

Please keep up the good work!

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RMM May 7, 2012 at 20:40

@codebuster

As it’s always the case, it’s a matter of who you kn0w. The job was a good (read: important enough) with a large company, at their Frankfurt HQ. Essentially their lawyers handled immigration BS.

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Anonymous Reader May 7, 2012 at 20:45

Eric, I think you should consider listing countries in those areas that aren’t in the news. Then work that list down smaller.

For example, Argentina has been an interesting place off and on, not too many years ago rich North Americans would fly down there to go dove shooting in Patagonia. Now, it’s in the news constantly as the Eva Peron wannabe keeps taking over everything in sight – last year the pension system, then the central bank, now she’s after the Spanish oil investments. A place that’s in the news may be exciting, but not necessarily pleasant. The same goes for Bolivia (nationalization of the electric grid run by a Spanish company is a possibility) Venezuela (Hugo Chavez), and so forth.

Costa Rica? Not in the news at all. Panama? Ditto, although a lot of US Expats have moved there in recent years, maybe that’s a factor for you. Belize? Not in the news. Nicaragua was in the news a bunch years ago, but lately seems pretty calm. Ecuador? Peru? Also not in the news.

Uruguay, where the Argentinos used to park their money, could be very pleasant given its latitude & coastline. And…it’s very rarely in the news.

Just a thought.

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Brian May 7, 2012 at 21:43

The U.S. won’t be a great place with liberty and opportunity for long (at least what’s left of them) if feminism, along with the Left in general, utterly destroy the family unit and moral infrastructure of the country. You can change the laws however you want, but what is more important in practice is people’s values, what they commonly agree upon. The general populace will not obey or protect laws that they find strongly disagreeable. They will do what they want to do. A classic example is Prohibition. A more trivial one is jaywalking. Ultimately, laws are just words on paper. They mean next to nothing if people stop valuing them. Even the Constitution means nothing if people will not stand up and protect it. Just look at all the retarded, insane, unconstitutional things that the Obama Administration does and gets away with. General values matter.

The family unit is the basic building block of civilization and has been for thousands of years. Even in the U.S. where we tend to think of individual freedoms, it’s really not that extreme. It’s a family society. What remains without the family unit? Only the state, the government (or anarchy that just kills and kills indiscriminately). We’d end up with completely centralization, probably a form of fascism. I can’t imagine what the U.S. would be like in that event. Maybe it would be very similar to what ordinary people went through in the Soviet Union or Communist China (technically still is, but I mean in the early days under Mao) or in North Korea today. Abject poverty led by government thugs. Whatever the outcome, I’m certain it would be a _very_ dark time to live through.

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Eric May 7, 2012 at 23:19

Anonymous Reader:
Thanks for the suggestions! I haven’t been to Costa Rica yet. I went to Nicaragua a few years ago; also to Honduras. The Honduran girls really had a certain chic and elegance about them, despite that country’s poverty. However, there was a coup there recently and I’m not sure about the situation. Mexico is probably the country I’m most familiar with.

I’ve also heard a lot of good things about the Dominican Republic as well.

A client of mine who married an Italian suggested Spain or Portugal. The women there aren’t too bad, though it’s tougher to find a single one than in Eastern Europe. But they do have the advantage of not needing a Visa to come to the US. (The same is true of the Netherlands, BTW).

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Eric May 7, 2012 at 23:23

Glenn:

Here’s a link to an interesting article which appeared today on another blog. He touches on some of the same points you mentioned:

http://www.kshatriya-anglobitch.blogspot.com/2012/05/angry-harrys-big-conundrum-socon.html

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W.F. Price May 8, 2012 at 01:33

What are your recommendations?

-Eric

I can only speak for Europe and Asia, but I guess that’s a lot of the world. Personally, I prefer Europe, northern Europe in particular, as I don’t stand out so much and can blend in (I can easily pass for Dutch by appearance, and in Riga people tended to assume I was either local or Norwegian). Asia’s great fun, but it gets old after a while, and it’s harder to figure out which locals really want to be your friend and which just want some advantage. I’d recommend going to a place where you aren’t too different in culture or appearance from the locals, unless you have exotic tastes. If you’re a typical white American Anglo, whether Catholic or Protestant background, NW to North Central Europe is pretty good. Of course, Britain and Scandinavia have the same problems we do in the US to varying degrees, but Finland is OK. The Baltic states are a good bet, as they are generally a mix of Lutheran and Catholic, and their culture is heavily influenced by Germans, so it isn’t all that foreign. Poland is good, too, as is the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

If you’re of Mediterranean descent, Italy, Spain, southern France and such are good choices for not only vacationing but getting friendly with the locals. Jewish guys always have Israel, which is great fun and way more laid back than the US from what I hear. Turkey’s a nice trip and far more relaxed than typical Muslim countries. The Adriatic is a nice place, too, and the women in the Balkans are tall and attractive as well as very diverse in appearance, from stunning blondes to well-tanned brunettes.

As for Asia, Catholics might find the Philippines more familiar. Japan is eminently modern and advanced, but it’s a tough nut to crack culturally, and takes some serious investment. For those who really appreciate Japanese culture it’s worth it, but a lot of people might feel kind of alienated there. China is a lot more cosmopolitan, and has excellent cultural depth and an insane amount of opportunities for adventure, but it takes a discerning traveler to get a lot out of it and avoid serious hassles. SE Asia is beautiful and tropical (people and nature), but I can’t say much about it, never having been further down the coast than HK.

bruno May 8, 2012 at 04:21

Oh yes, it’s very nice in Europe, and it will even get better:

Belgian Justice Department has announced it’s National Security Plan for 2012 – 2015, and guess what is now “THE ABSOLUTE TOP PRIORITY” …?

Yes, you guessed it right: the absolute top priority now is…… “violence against women”.

http://www.gva.be/nieuws/experts/johndewit/aid1128492/het-nationaal-veiligheidsplan-2012-2015.aspx

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bruno May 8, 2012 at 04:28

We have a lot to thank to our Justice Minister, Annemie Turtelboom, and our “Equal Opportunities” Minister, Joelle Milquet, who are proud and fanatic feminists.

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Opus May 8, 2012 at 04:48

‘Oddsock

I was laughing as I replied to Eric, but, it just doesn’t come across like that without a ;)

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Oddsock May 8, 2012 at 06:45

Opus

Yes, I bet you was. We need to keep in mind we are Englishmen and therefore vastly superior. Americans can sometimes be a little touchy over this and often throw their apple pie out of the pram.

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Opus May 8, 2012 at 06:55

@Oddsock

You know, oddsock, you are probably right, which is why Eric is so put out that we have ruined the last two centuries for all things American. Don’t approve of american women – blame the English. Too many American deaths in war – blame the English; even though we are fighting on the same side; and then to add insult to injury he praises the cheese-eating surrender-monkeys aka The French, but as I was saying the French never won anything. If the Americans are so wonderful, then, why didn’t they help out at Agincourt or Crecy. Simply, an unreliable shower who are never there when you might need them!

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Oddsock May 8, 2012 at 07:02

Opus

Exactly. Not only did we civilize them we also gave them Benny Hill and the Goodies. Ungrateful peasants. Pfttt!

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Opus May 8, 2012 at 09:03

@Oddsock

…and Welmer is no better. As you can see, from the heading, he proposes to wrap up Europe and presumably take it home as a gift for his children.Typical American.

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J May 8, 2012 at 10:07

Hey, whats up with this Odd? American sericeman at your service here. Got no problem with you limey’s actually, and it is cool that your warships actually let you guys drink alcohol. However, I think part of the reason you guys are beating us to the punch on feminism, like you did in getting rid of slavery40-50 years before us, is because you are smaller. We are a significantly larger size numerically.

Also, I agree that every war since 1812 we have won with you, I don’t agree that your assistance would have changed the outcome of Vietnam, there was much more going on at home. No offense, I am pretty sure we could have laid waste Saddam, Afghanistan, and several other wars we fought without your help. I think the reason we needed you was for the UN, also, most of us in the service that I served with actually had great respect for the Britts we met, and had fun watching you guys head butt eachother at “expats” pubs. I think most of the assitance we needed was moral, like in the UN rather then physical. As of right now, as long as our populace supports us, there really are not too many situatuions the American military can’t handle We are a fraction of the size of China, but our mission encompasses the whole World. When crap goes down anywhere, people are wondering if we are going to head to the fight. I mean no disrespect, but I am very sure that without us, and our fathers, and grandfathers, and great grandfathers before us, that alot of people in the past 100 years would be all speaking German! LOL, actually, I think you guys had them in WW1, but after that especially, people needed our strength, the Atlantic, and Pacific were our “English Channel” though I doubt it will be as big of a defense in future wars.

Right now I would put our boys against anyone. In fact, I don’t feel over-cnfident in saying that we could handle several forces simulataneously, and maybe still win?! Not bragging, nor being insulting. Our nations forces have been doing what your were doing for the longest time before WW2.

Personally, I agree with you about my country propping up the Euro, and other currencies, and I feel that our leaders and economists are committing deep treason against their intellectual integrity. At the very least they are delusional, at the worst, we may have several people in our leadership who need to be taken before a congressional investigation. But we all know that will never happen. Your banks in Brittain are still pushing things, and I suspect they had a large hand in the involvement in Libya. We should all assume that the problem is far biggeer, and far more complex then any of us “plebes” actually relaize!

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J May 8, 2012 at 10:10

God, I need to spell check, and get a new keyboard. It took me a minute to make sure this one was right. I must be wearing it out with all the typing I am doing? LOL Sorry fellas

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Oddsock May 8, 2012 at 10:37

Opus

Well, it is tiny by U S of A standards.

You know when you went on holiday,, sorry , vacation. Did you ever play guess the nationality on the beach airport or bars ? The Brit was always easy to spot on the beach. Skin as white as the driven snow knotted hankie on his head union jack swim shorts clutching a bottle of San Mig. The Americans always spoiled it. You could hear them long before you spotted the back pack coverd with the stars and stripes badges, statue of liberty T shirt and stars and stripes bandana. Pfttt, no class.

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Brian May 8, 2012 at 10:49

Price, I enjoyed your recent articles about your observations in Europe. While we’re on Europe, have you ever been to Germany or otherwise know what the people and values there are really like?

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Opus May 8, 2012 at 10:53

@oddsock

It’s true oddsock, americans are noisier, but then we are noisy compared to the swedes – ’tis all relative. The germans (fat with thongs and moustaches) get to the beach first and hog all the Lilos; the russians look like hookers and pimps; american women are easy to spot as they are the ones too modest to wear bikinis.

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Oddsock May 8, 2012 at 11:03

Opus

Scousers visit the beach (Brits)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIhFwLjsQug

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Lara May 8, 2012 at 11:17

How did this thread end up being about two Brits and their superiority/inferiority complexes?

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keyster May 8, 2012 at 11:34

While we’re on Europe, have you ever been to Germany or otherwise know what the people and values there are really like?

Germany and Germans felt more like the USA to me.
The UK and France seemed like foreign lands; especially the UK, even though I spoke the language and I’m of British/Scot heritage. The customs held over from WWII, train spotters, pubs and bad native food…at least the French had good food, although Parisians are assholes.

Limies are still our number one ally though when global strife erupts somewhere. The British military is top-notch. We typically have each others backs when the going gets rough.

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Lara May 8, 2012 at 11:42

I was on a military workout website once. There was a discussion with Navy Seals who had trained with some of the elite British forces. They were impressed by how tough and fit they were.

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Alonso Quijano May 8, 2012 at 12:21

This site has many readers in Europe, too. If Welmer wishes so, all he has to do is ask and I’m sure many readers will help in analysing the real Europe for American readers, since I perceive lots of mainstream media induced paranoia in the comments…

Quick tips for wannabe-expats: Grab a backpack, take some months, and not just a few days and travel across countries attractive to you. This is not as expensive as it sounds, much cheaper if you make contacts in places you want to go beforehand. If some place just feels right, try to overcome your superiority complex (if applicable), find you could learn a thing or two from those cultures and study the bloody language (here’s where 90% of Americans fail), get connected, find a job, a much more feminine girl, whatever your plans are. Starting over is a pain at first, but then it becomes a rush of new energy.

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Abides May 8, 2012 at 12:23

«I don’t know what direction we’ll take in the US, but where we’re headed is not promising. Over my lifetime, I’ve only seen our society grow harsher and more totalitarian as well as ideologically more strident and divided.»

The direction is pretty easy to tell: current american voters (the top 50% of the population) have been sold and bought into the Dixie model, the plantation economy, the politics dominated by vested interests and old families, thinking they would end up as masters of plantations, with everybody else a serf. The Dixie model is what happening to the USA.

In other words Texas/Lousiana/Alabama made large, with a few rich families with baronies, owning everything and everybody else, and the everybody else better be careful of keeping their head down and keep scrambling to get some odd job here and there, if they don’t get blacklisted. With in between a thin layer of lawyers and fixers and and enforcers working for the barons.

As to the UK, and other anglo countries, the middle aged middle classes have largely bought into the same model, thinking they would all end up as lords of the manor, while immigrants did all the work to pay rent. The property bubble in the UK and Australia, and even Ireland, New Zealand and parts of Canada, has been even bigger than in the USA.

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Lara May 8, 2012 at 12:45

I think Abides made a valid point about the United States and England.

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Lara May 8, 2012 at 12:49

Alonso,
What country are you from? Also, how easy is it for an American to get a job in Europe?

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Opus May 8, 2012 at 13:03

@oddsock

Loved the scouser video.

Do you think any of it was comprehensible to the americans? There are plenty of English from up north who might as well be speaking a foreign language for the all sense I can make of them.

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Alonso Quijano May 8, 2012 at 13:06

@Brian

I’m of superior Germanic stock (nudge nudge Opus ;) and I’d like to help, yet if you could ask a bit more specific questions like “I’m an engineer from Wisconsin, do you think I’d do well in Germany” or something along those lines it’d make it easier…

All I can say right now is I recommend you take a trip to Berlin this summer and just see for yourself.

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Lara May 8, 2012 at 13:09

Europe has more natural beauty and culture than the United States. The United States once had more freedom, open space and opportunity for adventure. It doesn’t anymore. The lifestyle isn’t enjoyable.

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Opus May 8, 2012 at 13:14

@Alonso Quijano

If you are German how come your English is so idiomatic, and
Why do you have a name borrowed from Cervantes? and

Not being from Wisconsin (although I have been there) nor an Engineer nor with any particular desire or plan to return to Deutchland (much as I like the place) I have not particular question for you. You’ll have to ask oddsock.

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Eric May 8, 2012 at 13:17

Lara:
‘How did this thread end up with two Brits talking about their superiority complexes?’

Superiority complexes are built into British culture too. That’s despite the fact that they live on an overpopulated, polluted island headed by a comic-book monarchy and propped up by international bankers.

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Lara May 8, 2012 at 13:18

Alonso sounds like he’s from New York.

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Eric May 8, 2012 at 13:22

Keyster:
“Limies are our number one ally”

LOL! Our government has been England’s obedient slave since Woodrow Wilson. We might as well join the Commonwealth and bow to a queen (like good manginas).

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Lara May 8, 2012 at 13:23

A German man would not make that comment about finding a much more feminine girl in Europe. Only an American man would say something like that.

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Oddsock May 8, 2012 at 13:25

Opus

Yeah, perhaps I should have translated a few of the words. The guys I work with are mostly scousers, the crack ( sense of humour) is outstanding, never a dull moment, always up to some mischief. No matter where we work in the UK the local girls seem to love them, probably because they think they are all scallies ( semi bad boys).

Birds = Women Bevies = Beers Breky= Breakfast Mancunians = People from Manchester (Intense football rivalry)

Here’s another vid for you. I don’t like the guy or find him funny but he does give a good impression of some of the more well known accents found in the UK.

I think the big mistake most tourists make is by just visiting London and then believing that is how it is in the rest of the UK. I always found London and most of the people quite cold rude and arrogant. Probably the same in most major cities around the world.

Scots Geordies and Scousers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX98LGnvc1E&feature=related

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Uncle Elmer May 8, 2012 at 13:31

While in Cambodia you may enjoy fried insects, lightly salted :

http://www.the-spearhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/yummy.jpg

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Lara May 8, 2012 at 13:33

I’ve never considered the British Europeans.
Eric,
I don’t think England was ever a wealthy country, but it was always a very civilized one. They have let in way too many immigrants and have changed the character of their country.

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Oddsock May 8, 2012 at 13:52

Actually, the thread has taken an interesting turn. You see, I am all for options choices alternatives etc etc for men. I mean men of all race colour nationality religion sexual orientation and therefore, I think its good that we at least share what info we can. Every little helps, even if its only an idea.

Not so long back I was chatting with an American guy and suggested to him that seeing as his ancestors were European he could possibly look into obtaining an EU passport giving him a considerable choice of other countries he could live and work in should he so wish. I am not sure but I think that if you marry a person from an EU country the spouse is also entitled to the same EU passport. This is nothing to do with who or where is better than somewhere else, its about options.

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Eric May 8, 2012 at 13:56

Opus/Oddsock;

Where do you guys assume the terms ‘Anglo-Feminism’ and ‘Anglo-Puritanism’ came from?

Many of America’s Founding Fathers and earliest immigrants were Scottish. They came here to escape Anglo culture.

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Alonso Quijano May 8, 2012 at 13:58

@Lara

Finding a job in Europe shouldn’t be a problem as long as you bring along the willingness to learn the local language. This is really crucial.

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Alonso Quijano May 8, 2012 at 14:12

@Lara and Opus

Cheers about my English. That’s what Swiss boarding schools do to you. No, I’m not from New York. And yes, Germany is a great place to have a career, but it’s chock-a-block filled with feminist women, the higher you go in society, the more feminist – and less feminine – they are.

Lara, you’re totally wrong. Americans are not alone in their desire for a feminine woman, it’s pretty universal, actually.

@Opus

Dir ist schon klar, dass Du hier der einzige bist, der sich fuer unglaublich kultiviert und humorvoll haelt, oder? Typisch Inselaffe.

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Eric May 8, 2012 at 14:15

Keyster:
‘Government mandated quotas and women’s liberation’

Yes, under the very-conservative administrations of Richard Nixon and George Bush Sr.

‘The burden of proof in discrimination cases should be on the employer.’

That policy, brought in by Clarence Thomas, opened the floodgates to false accusations.

‘Protections and safety nets all add to the costs of services.’

French products cost more because their products are of better quality. Do you think we have some advantage by letting the Chinese dump their low-quality garbage on our shores?

‘French public schools…’

A study showed that the entire bureaucracy of the French national public educational system has less administrative personnel and operates at a fraction of the cost than any US State and several of our major cities. And their students have much higher educational achievement than ours.

IOW, France is an example of a government that actually functions. Ours is only an extension of Corporate America/

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Oddsock May 8, 2012 at 14:26

Eric

I think you will find most immigrants from the UK were doing so to escape extreme poverty much the same as most of the Irish. Many also went to Oz and NZ. Don’t get upset, myself and Opus are only teasing, its the British sense of humour you see.

An interesting take on the above and something very rarely mentioned. If you keep in mind the Industrial Revolution started in England and spread Global, I believe it was recorded somewhere and uncovered by a historian that there was also plans made by the PTB of the time to spread the use of the English language globally as a further method to claim power and influence via emigration.

My point being. Sometimes we don’t see or even told the “big picture plan”. And lets be honest, if all this was not planned then it is a remarkably successful coincidence.

Just to add something perhaps of interest. You would be amazed at the amount of British public that still believe the British Empire was built on hard work industrial might and technology combined with good manners and civility. Most would flat out deny the truth that it was built on coruption drug running ( Opium trade) war rape pillage plunder and exploytation of nations unable to defend themselves.

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Opus May 8, 2012 at 14:36

@Alonso

I deduce you must be a Swiss German!

@Eric

Oddsock is right. We are only teasing.

@oddsock

I always assumed you were a Londoner like myself. Obviously not, now that you have insulted me as cold and unfriendly.

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Oddsock May 8, 2012 at 14:38

Opus

Ha ha. I did say most mate not all. I am from upt north lad. Rugby League country.

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info May 8, 2012 at 14:42

Countries that have a visa waiver with the US, meaning, nationals of these countries can enter without a visa and stay up to 3 months (without working):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program

Includes the following EE countries: Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia.

Also, there is visa free travel for these countries to Canada.

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CyclotronMajesty May 8, 2012 at 14:48

im planning to leave the USA soon…the thought of it gives me butterflies. I can’t wait!

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codebuster May 8, 2012 at 14:56

Oddsock and Opus should feel right at home in Oz. We had the white australia policy in place until as recently as 1973. I did a count of federal parliamentary members who had ethnic (non-Engish) names back during John Howard’s rule, and found TWO ethnic names among about 50 of them. 2 in 50 bears no resemblance whatsoever to the much more diverse mix out there in the real world. They may have officially dismantled the white australia policy, but the prejudices continue to thrive in this secret culture where things happen behind the scenes, without accountability and without opposition.

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Lara May 8, 2012 at 14:56

It’s fun to tease the British. They are pretty witty, though, so you have to be good at it. I only tease the true Anglo Saxon ones, since they are the ones who get sensitive about it.

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Oddsock May 8, 2012 at 15:07

Oooh oooh. Just a thought. I have met some major bunny boilers in my time, mostly British women. Now you could say I am being unfair here seeing as I have only ever met two white South African women but I can tell you guys this. They scared the crap out of me. Really really very strange women, incredibly stuck up their own arse. I shudder to think what it must have been like to be married to one.

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Opus May 8, 2012 at 15:07

@oddsock

I have no idea where up-north is, or for that matter where Rugby League is situate, but I know it is outside the M25 and as I have never been further north than Watford – at least not intentionally – I can only regard you as an honourary Brummie, or Scouser, or Geordie or Mancunian or something else I have never heard of. I know you’re not a Porridge Wog because if you were Jockanese you’d want to fight me all the time. Tell me, is it really, as they say, grim up there; all those smoking factory-mills and over-made up bints, and flat caps? – or is it only like that for the telly. Three hundred miles is a long way in England and I reckon you must be about that from me.

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Oddsock May 8, 2012 at 15:20

Opus

Nah its all gone now mate but there are pockets of flat caps and whippets still. I am right on the border of scouse land. Your about 190 miles away depending on what motorway I use. I seldom travel to or work in ” the smoke ” but I do often work nearby. The last places down south I worked are Erith near the Dartford crossing then Margate Kent then Southampton then some one horse town in Bedfordshire. Everyone sounds like a cockney past Watford.

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Lara May 8, 2012 at 15:39

I don’t really travel to places for the food, so much as the people. My mother traveled Europe in the early 1970′s. She said the British had the attitude, we like our country and we hope you do too, but we won’t change. The Italians, on the other hand, would change their country to please you. They had all these Italian men willing to be their personal tour guides.

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Ted May 8, 2012 at 16:51

[Londoners are cold and unfriendly]

Not quite how I remember it. This is the essential London (from 3.10 to 3.44)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzZnZfOzyps

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Ode May 8, 2012 at 16:53

America is still a place of opportunity.
Here are the numbers.
If you have enough common sense to:
1 show up to work on time
2 use standard English instead of Ebonics
3 not scare the customers away
that will get you a $40,000 job. Yes I know those 3 standards alone would probably disqualify 1 out of every 3 people within the general population. That’s how degenerate our society has become. However the American way promises equal opportunity, NOT equal life results.

With an effective tax rate of 16% for such an income and minus the usual deductions like health insurance you’ll take home $30,000 a year or $2500 a month.
Rent, groceries, electricity, gasoline, and car payments can cost $1500 a month (if you drive a cheap car). 2500-1500=1000

A thousand dollars a month of disposable income or “fun money” as what some Americans like to call it is not bad. The average western European does not enjoy the same level of disposable income.

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Eric May 8, 2012 at 16:57

Opus/Oddsock:
As somebody who watches a lot of Monty Python, Fawltey Towers, Benny Hill and the Goodies, I guess I should have seen the teasing involved. One other downside to American culture is that it totally lacks any sense of humor, so I was probably reacting as I would to Americans. For example Keyster’s anti-French xenophobia reflects the same stereotypes that spew out of the Fox News Channel over here on a daily basis and those are meant to be taken seriously.

If it wasn’t for the BBC, I wouldn’t pay attention to the media at all.

Overall, I don’t think that the British Empire was a negative historical phenomenon, it filled a much-needed power vaccuum at time when a lot of the underdeveloped world was in danger of being taken over by mercenary adventurers and tribal warlords. Actually that’s happened in a lot of those areas since they left (e.g. Sudan).

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Eric May 8, 2012 at 17:08

Price:
Thanks for the tips, too. I’ve heard a lot of good things about the Mediterranean countries too. People have been mentioning Germany here, from what I’ve heard the southern Germans tend to be more traditional, whereas feminism is stronger in the north.

I’ve never understood why Western Europe wasn’t advertised more as a good spot for American men to meet foreign women. Granted, their numbers, in terms of availability, aren’t as good as Eastern Europe, but most of those countries don’t have the immigration/visa problems that lot of women elsewhere have. In Asia, I think it’s the same with Japan and Singapore.

There’s certainly nothing wrong with Balkan women, either, but after Clinton’s miltary adventures in the region, I doubt their attitudes towards Americans are all that high.

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Ted May 8, 2012 at 17:12

“the Industrial Revolution started in England and spread Global”

Industrialization started in *Europe* and spread global, along with the Europeans. It’s not just that the English went west; so did the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Dutch, the Belgians. On the eastern side of the continent, the Russians spread over Asia. The French went south to Algeria, amongst other places. All down to having the overwhelming military that technology brings.

“if all this was not planned then it is a remarkably successful coincidence”

No, it wasn’t planned. It’s a consequence of technological development. No conspiracy needed, Oddsock!

“it was built on coruption drug running ( Opium trade) war rape pillage plunder and exploytation of nations unable to defend themselves.”

Exactly.

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Ted May 8, 2012 at 17:18

“I don’t think that the British Empire was a negative historical phenomenon, it filled a much-needed power vaccuum…”

The people living in that “vacuum” might have had a different impression.

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Oddsock May 8, 2012 at 17:28

Ted

No sorry mate, The Industrial Revolution started in England and spread globally. I agree it was no conspiracy. Its fact. ( if thats what you are refering too ? )

http://history-world.org/Industrial%20Intro.htm

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Ted May 8, 2012 at 17:55

“The Industrial Revolution started in England and spread globally.”

It was the best, the most advanced, in Europe, yes.

It was based on the already existing relatively high level of European technology though. For example, your link says

“Southern planters in the United States were able to meet the increased demand for raw cotton because they were using the cotton gin…”

So, well before the time that English industry was able to process cotton so well, the English had *already* swept over North America and marginalized the natives. As had the Spanish in South America, etc.

“I agree it was no conspiracy”

Conspiracies certainly exist, but before going to that explanation, the simple mechanistic explanations should be tried. Occam’s razor.

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codebuster May 8, 2012 at 18:39

We had the white australia policy in place until as recently as 1973.

Just a point of clarification for those Europeans who might be excited at the joy of coming to a nation that aspires to be all-white… The white Australia policy was implicity reserved for the Brits. The 10-quid tourist program (bringing people out to settle in Australia) was targetted at the Brits. Italians, Germans, Swedes, Dutch, etc, apparently, were not regarded as white enough.

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dbhk May 8, 2012 at 21:07

heres an interesting article that might be off topic but this is the only way i can share it here:

http://www.theleafchronicle.com/article/20120507/NEWS01/305070020/Mom-fights-to-bring-toddler-home-from-Dubai?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|FRONTPAGE

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qx11984 May 8, 2012 at 21:11

America is still a place of opportunity.
Here are the numbers.
If you have enough common sense to:
1 show up to work on time
2 use standard English instead of Ebonics
3 not scare the customers away
that will get you a $40,000 job. Yes I know those 3 standards alone would probably disqualify 1 out of every 3 people within the general population. That’s how degenerate our society has become. However the American way promises equal opportunity, NOT equal life results.

I’ve been unemployed and looking for work for over a year! The best that I was able to manage (just got hired today) was a job making 7.25 an hour.

I live in an extremely expensive city and am planning to boost my credentials and educational status. However, I must confess that I’m intrigued by your bold statements and will be grabbing a job making 40k per year any day now. After all, whatever one hears on the internet must be true…….

Wait a minute! I’m only making 7.25 an hour because I sometimes say axe instead of ask. I’ll be sure to correct that in the future.

Thanks Ode! You da man!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welmer I rarely comment here but when I do I usually leave you a message thanking you for this website and or the ability to comment here and today won’t be any different. I think that your advice concerning possibly leaving America is extremely sound. Thank You.

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T and A Man May 8, 2012 at 22:44

“Just a point of clarification for those Europeans who might be excited at the joy of coming to a nation that aspires to be all-white… The white Australia policy was implicity reserved for the Brits. The 10-quid tourist program (bringing people out to settle in Australia) was targetted at the Brits. Italians, Germans, Swedes, Dutch, etc, apparently, were not regarded as white enough.”

Well that’s not quite correct. The official policy was all immigrants had to pass a European language test at the discretion of the immigration official. How this manifested itself was for Australia to bar entry to even educated Indian’s, they’d request they perform a language test in Italian for example.

The post WWII program for 10 pounds was extended to virtually every European nationality. So much so Australias population has tripled since WWII. Only Israel has had a higher per capita immigration intake, and their situation is unique.

As far as singling out Australia, it was diluted in 1958 to be near meaningless. Now compare that to the Johnson-Reed Act of 1924 or the Asian Exclusion Act of the U.S (dismantled in the 1950′s) or discretionary head taxes in Canada and New Zeland targeting Asians, and you’ll find excluding non-white immigration was common amongst the Anglo-Sphere.

I probably don’t need to mention South Africa

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Oddsock May 9, 2012 at 00:49

Ted

Ok Ted. Calm down, I am simply pointing out that the Industrial revolution started in England around the 16 Century with developments in agriculture the 18 century was when Britain “helped significantly” the industrial revolution with the invention and further development of steam power such as steam engines railways and steam boats etc etc

In case you are not aware ? Variations of the cotten gin you mention had been around long before it was developed further in America.

Ha ha I can hear you singing the star spangled banner in time with you stamping your feet.

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jaego May 9, 2012 at 01:41

The Luddites were traditional weavers and begged to be given or rented the new machines so as to continue their way of life. Nothing doing. So they rebelled and were cut down. Their sons became slaves in the mills of Manchester and Liverpool.

The British flooded Europe with cheap goods. No one else could even get started until Napoleon blockaded the Continental Ports and enabled Europe to catch up. Same thing in Argentina: the British rolled up and said you don’t have to trade with us – but we’ll blow Buenos Aries out of the water. So Argentina was “opened” and their nascent Industrial Revolution put on hold for a hundred years.

Remember when China was “opened”? It’s actually America that was….

The Tariff is a sign and a guarantor of National Sovereignty. It is the means par excellance of Nation Building. That’s why it’s hated. That’s why it’s off the Table and not even discussed by the Talking Heads dancing for their dinner.

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jaego May 9, 2012 at 01:43

As Charles Fort said, “It’s Steam Engines when it’s Steam Engine Time.” The Romans knew about mechanical power via water wheels – they just weren’t interested. They had the slaves to do that.

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Ted May 9, 2012 at 02:28

“Steam Engine Time.”

There’s something about steam engines.

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Technology leads to affluence. Affluence leads to feminism. Feminism leads to below-replacement birth rates. Below-replacement birth rates lead to immigration. Then what, I’m not sure…

—————-
Oddsock.

Just saying, it’s not all the fault of the British Empire. There were, and are, other empires too. As for leading-the-world technology, once the ideas are out there, they get all around the world and there’s no going back. You can’t go back.

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Oddsock May 9, 2012 at 02:52

Ted

Yes, I agree. I do love steam engines though.

Not sure if you watch youtube vids by girlwriteswhat ? She has just posted her latest. Nothing to do with steam engines as such but she has done an excellent job of starting to break down the reason as to why society is in such a state and why men and women think the way they do. A lengthy vid but well worth listening to.

Rationalization Hamster, anyone ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Uh3wowSU0

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Opus May 9, 2012 at 06:45

@Eric

I thought it was 0bviously (mercifully oddsock explained) that we were joking, but what had not occured to me was that you were serious – had I realised otherwise…

Funny that I can tell oddsock is not serious, but mistake you. How can this be?

As my girlfriend was saying to me only on Sunday, (concerning my relating a pub conversation from last Friday) it is typically for males to insult each other. I said, I thought all men were like that but she said, (she’s not english) that she did not think so.

Maybe Americans are too driven to have humour, generally? – and the same goes for Germans.

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Opus May 9, 2012 at 07:14

@oddsock

I checked, and you know, you are right, it is only about two hundred miles to the North of England from London. (It certainly seems more). What I think Americans sometimes have difficulty grasping is how different accents and behaviour can be in that (for them) short distance and of course the scenery is very different. Whether outside of the written word I would understand your accent must remain moot.

I was making light of never going further north than Watford, but actually apart from two holidays I took in the lake district, and one weekend visit to a friend in Birmingham I have never been north of Watford save for appearing in some courts in places like Coventry, Northampton and Leicester. ‘He who is tired of London is tired of life’. You might as well be a foreigner.

I suppose I better add a ;)

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Dirt Man May 9, 2012 at 07:25

These were my conclusions as well after spending time in Europe.

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Boxer May 9, 2012 at 07:34

I really haven’t read such an ignorant and just plain bullshit description of France

Keyster is (once again) writing long, boring articles full of untruths, about things he’s not familiar with? He’s certainly never done that before.

Regards, Boxer

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joeb May 9, 2012 at 07:46

I always thought The industrial rev. started in Chicago with the invention of the harvester .My opinion is revise History to fit your country’s needs .
That would be the McCormick Co. I think .

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Charles Martel May 9, 2012 at 11:22

AfOR
that of Americans applying for disability, which in April was +225,000. He continues: “this is the new stealth stimulus program – so far in 2011, nearly one million Americans have applied for disability and year-to-date, 333k have actually enrolled (covering 539k family members). In total, more than five million people have been added to disability coverage since President Obama took over three years ago.”

Staggering. The USA has changed out of all recognition in the thirty years I’ve lived here. It’s more or less just one more European socialist dystopia now, plus out of control police brutality and extrajudicial killing.

There’s a man who works for me whose ex-girlfriend recently qualified for 100% disability. Her family held a disability party for her, sort of like a coming out party or Bat Mitvah, I guess, as she was the last member of her family not on disability. As far as I can tell she has a tax-free income in the range of US$5,000 to $6,000 per month consisting of disability, various child subsidy payments and child support for her one child. Her child is also 100% disabled, which adds more to the pot and so, surprise, is her boyfriend! Maybe $10,000 a month tax-free income between the three of them. And they say America is no longer the land of opportunity!

On a related note, on my 2011 Federal tax return the IRS just denied that my 13 years old younger child exists and increased my tax liability accordingly.

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Oddsock May 9, 2012 at 12:22

Anyone else having trouble with the spearhead site ? Access etc ?

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Alonso Quijano May 9, 2012 at 12:41

” It’s more or less just one more European socialist dystopia now”

Wow. Listen to Charles. He really knows. *Chuckle*

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Towgunner May 9, 2012 at 13:06

Wrapping up Europe is one way to put it. Recent events say exactly that. With the European debt crisis flaring up…again, and France electing a far left government, well, the EU is in the early stages of being wrapped up and put away forever. Why is this important? You’ve heard me and others talk about the West’s irresponsible monetary policy that has resulted in decades of malinvestment fueled by cheap credit and money. This dynamic has enabled an overstepping government that has paid for countless female-only programs that effectively accelerated women into their so-called prominent positions today. However, the scheme is now unraveling and what we see in the EU will happen here. Among other things, the US Dollar will likely lose its status as the global reserve currency. When that occurs, bond yields will soar as will interest rates and whatever pet social projects that have been paid for with borrowed money will die a quick and painful death. As it stands, we see droves of unemployed people with masters, phd’s mostly in peripheral degrees i.e. “blank” studies, expect this to only continue. The good news is that it will crush the femotocracy. Frankly, as MRAs we should ready ourselves to shape the future narrative to ensure the proper blame of this disaster is placed squarely on feminism. We do indeed owe it to posterity and history to reveal this truth.

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Eric May 9, 2012 at 13:08

Boxer:
France has been at the top of the American media’s ‘Hate List’ for years (with Russia, Israel, Mexico, and Iran rounding out the top five). They never like to talk about places like Dubai or China, though, where their owners on Wall Street have vested interests.

It’s interesting that in France, they still have institutions like the ‘family farm’ and ‘mom-and-pop businesses’—many of which have been in the same families for generations.

The French military, whom everybody laughs at (in spite of producing generals like Napoleon and DeGaulle) doesn’t import Chinese-made military technology from the US. It has its own armaments industry and its Dassault fighter-planes are among the world’s best and exported to countries who don’t want our clumsy, over-priced F-16s. It was the French Navy who pretty much cleared the Red Sea of Somali pirates while our Navy was busy arguing about gays in the military.

France’s supposed unemployment problems are no worse than ours, except that their government tells the truth about the situation and doesn’t hide behind fake statistics like ours. Part of the reason is that France considers a ‘living wage’ as a realistic number and, unlike our sinecured millionaire media pundits who preach about ‘lifting themselves by their own bootstraps’, understand that productivity and reward are related concepts.

I’ve already mentioned that their public schools turn out better-educated people at a fraction of the cost and with less bureaucratic oversight than our dysfunctional system that simultaneously scores highest in ‘self-esteem’ and lowest in basic skills like literacy and mathematics.

As for civil liberties, France is not even nearly the politically-correct police state that we are. The have far greater media independence and government transparency as well.

When a lot of American Conservatives talk about ‘American excellence’ examine their examples more closely and you’ll see that what they’re really describing is America as it existed a generation or two ago.

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Eric May 9, 2012 at 13:24

Opus:
Well, it’s like I mentioned to Price in another article; defensiveness and distrust are like survival mechanicisms over here. You can actually get into serious trouble here by laughing at ‘the wrong people.’

I think it has a lot to do both with the divisiveness and narcissism that media and academia funnels into our culture. The pharmaceutical cartels pushing psychoactive drugs onto the populace hasn’t helped either.

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Boxer May 9, 2012 at 13:29

Dear Eric:

I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying, except perhaps with the last part.

As an aside, most people here just ignore Keyster. He writes long, tedious batches of nonsense, constantly appeals to some golden age which never existed, and his one boring argument with anyone he disagrees with is to call them a “communist” … despite the fact that he doesn’t seem to have a definition for what communism is.

When a lot of American Conservatives talk about ‘American excellence’ examine their examples more closely and you’ll see that what they’re really describing is America as it existed a generation or two ago.

A basic exploration of history will suggest to any rational person that the America they describe never existed, at any time. It’s more of a nebulous “ideal”. It’s always couched in religious terms. This is appropriate, because the exceptional America these types appeal to resembles nothing so much as heaven in the Jewish/Christian bible. In that example, there’s never a definition of heaven, except to say that it’s “good” or “like a mustard seed” or some other lunacy.

America is the place feminism was born, brought to maturity, and exported. That makes it exceptional to feminists, and not many others.

Regards, Boxer

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Opus May 9, 2012 at 13:43

What was I reading the other day: that George Washington was the greatest general the English ever had to face. Wow, I had no idea that Colonel Washington was so impressive, I mean when you are up against competition such as Napoleon Bonaparte, Erwin Rommel, Saladin and The Mahdi (we’ve been fighting for rather a long time you see) then your man must be good, very very good, so it is surprising to me that I know absolutely nothing about his achievements. I suppose I ought to apologise for our burning his house down. I assume he was out at the time (or was that in 1812?) As your man Schwarzeneger would say ‘we’ll be back’.

@Eric

You may be right and yet I found americans to be exceptionally open and welcoming.

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Boxer May 9, 2012 at 13:54

Opus sez:

I suppose I ought to apologise for our burning his house down.

That wasn’t y’all. That was us. We burned the White House down, and the Americans ran away like cowards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ety2FEHQgwM

If we had any sympathy we’d do it again. The vast majority of Americans would consider us liberators.

Regards, Boxer

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Charles Martel May 9, 2012 at 14:05

Alonso Quijano
Wow. Listen to Charles. He really knows. *Chuckle*

I’m a transplanted Brit so have a little insight into European socialist dystopias. To your point, I’ll exclude Germany from the list.

Of course one man’s socialist dystopia is another man’s egalitarian utopia. I’m a striver and so have always been on the “wealth transferred from” side of the equation. Perhaps you’re on the “wealth transferred to” side, which would explain your attitude.

The US has recently passed the point of no return as more than 50% of the population are now net beneficiaries of government largesse. There’s no turning back.

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Lara May 9, 2012 at 15:05

I think Americans could learn a lot from the French about protecting and cherishing their own culture.

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Boxer May 9, 2012 at 15:52

The US has recently passed the point of no return as more than 50% of the population are now net beneficiaries of government largesse. There’s no turning back.

The USA is very (for lack of a better term) balkanized. The parasitism is concentrated in certain areas and nearly nonexistent in others.

Best case scenario is for WA OR and ID to secede, and use nuclear or other technology to liberate BC and Alberta from Ottawa. This is an old idea (google Cascadia). There’s lots of power here, lots of water, lots of productive, still decent people. Other places (Texas, Alaska) have secessionist plans brewing under the surface as well.

You’re right that as a whole, the USA is toast, but there are different chunks of it full of people who still know how to work, and these places would make much more pleasant and peaceful independent nations if they were allowed to go their own ways.

Canada needs to break up too.

Boxer

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Oddsock May 9, 2012 at 16:21

However! Nigel Farange of UKIP has different ideas about Europe
Speaking 9th May 2102 EU Parliament.

We face the prospect of mass civil unrest, even revolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ6_Ey_MJV4&feature=player_embedded

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Ted May 9, 2012 at 16:40

Who’s the guy at 2.35, seat 34? He seems to have attracted the cameraman’s attention.

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Atilla May 9, 2012 at 17:49

If you’re obsessed with “superiority”- you probably aren’t.

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Eric May 9, 2012 at 19:31

Opus:
Well, note that the other commanders you mentioned were defeated by the British and Washington wasn’t. And Washington had to do it against some extremely formidable odds, although it could be argued that Washington was also a British-trained general—also specifically trained for fighting in North America, where as Lords Howe and Cornwallis weren’t.

I’d say probably in an actual British vs. American case, you’d have to go the War of 1812. I’d nominate General William Henry Harrison as your most formidable opponent.

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Eric May 9, 2012 at 19:39

Boxer:
Although in fairness I have heard liberals make the same kinds of arguments. When they talk about all the great programs and initiatives the government’s done, they can never come with an example later than Lyndon Johnson’s time.

But you’re right about the socons. They always compare themselves to Eisenhower and Reagan; neither one of whom would be a ‘conservative’ by today’s standards. If they were alive today, they’d both be thrown out of the Republican Party as ‘Rinos’.

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Eric May 9, 2012 at 19:48

Martel;
You understand what a lot of Americans don’t: our culture is not sick or dying; it is in fact clinically DEAD. The Balkanization Boxer mentions is no different than what always happens when an individual is pronounced clinically dead—people scramble for possession of the estate.

I’m not sure that I agree with Boxer, though, about breaking up into separate nations, but I definately see signs of breaking up into zones and districts defined by economic/educational status. These zones will probably, in future, have greater degrees of autonomy though. We’ll probably look not so much like the Balkans as the Mediaeval city-states of central Europe.

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Rob May 9, 2012 at 20:06

@ Boxer,

Could you explain the Trotsky connection to how feminism was born in the USA again?

Seriously, it has slipped my mind.

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Boxer May 9, 2012 at 20:45

Dear Eric:

Thanks for the interesting discussion.

I’m not sure that I agree with Boxer, though, about breaking up into separate nations, but I definately see signs of breaking up into zones and districts defined by economic/educational status. These zones will probably, in future, have greater degrees of autonomy though. We’ll probably look not so much like the Balkans as the Mediaeval city-states of central Europe.

There might be a sort of British Commonwealth or CIS thing floating around for a while after the dust settles. Really though, what does a Japanese-American in Seattle, a German-American in Iowa and an African-American in Atlanta have in common? The lumping of all these people under some giant political umbrella doesn’t make much practical sense. Smaller is going to be better as oil prices rise and communication/transportation becomes more costly.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0929408179

This is an old book that paints a very bleak picture which I don’t totally support, but in many ways the author has been proven correct since publication. I see the USA and Canada easily becoming 10-15 new nations, all of which will likely be more peaceful, prosperous and realistic. It probably won’t happen tomorrow, but I’d wager in 50 years the USA will be only a memory.

Best, Boxer

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Avenger May 9, 2012 at 20:49

@Opus
I had no idea that Colonel Washington was so impressive

Washington was a Colonel in the British Army. He never lived in the White House because the capital of the US was New York. I think that Jefferson was living in the White House as it was being built in this swampland that was roughly 1/2 way between the north and south at that time.
I have no idea whether he was a good general since most of the time he was evading battles or trying to keep people loyal to the revolutionaries. He lost New York which was held by the British for the duration of the war but I doubt if the New Yorker’s even wanted to be independent from England. They “surrendered” to the British in the 1600′s just to get rid of the stupid Dutch governor, Peter Stuyvesant. The British fired a few cannon shots for show and Stuyvesant retired to his estate. There were a few casualties when some Dutchman got drunk on gin celebrating the new English government fell into the Haarlem river:)

Burning the White House during the War of 1812 was a bad idea because even after the war ended the Americans were still driving the British right into the Gulf of Mexico in New Orleans. Here’s a song to commemorate it. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxB42cjHTGg

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Rob May 9, 2012 at 21:49

Boxer, come on now,

You claim America was subvertied by Trotsky, translating into the Neo Cons..

No come on, Ph D, explain how the Capitalist Trotsky was behind all of this.

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Rob May 9, 2012 at 21:51

I’m insance, according to you.

You should be able to smack my logic around lickety split.

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Rob May 9, 2012 at 21:58

Boxer has an agenda within the MRM, and it is not an MRM friendly one.

Something is wrong with him.

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Hf May 9, 2012 at 22:27

As much as I would like to see some sort of social collapse that leads to some serious restructuring, unfortunately the US isnt going to fragment any time soon. Social/internal strife, economic strife, certainly, but nothing severe enough to cause any sort of secession. The US will inevitably begin to tariff imports, giving it the money it needs to satiate internal strife, allowing for another 50 years of the same silly shit we are seeing now.

Beginning circa 1400, Europe (rather, nations in Europe) controlled the North Atlantic, controlling world trade. We’ve seen in history, those nations that controlled world trade were (known world) world powers.

So on and so it went, with nations from Europe as the dominating political force, for 500 years until the mid 1900′s, when the US took command of not only the Atlantic, but the Pacific and all oceans in between. Relinquishing Britain of its naval ports was indeed a premeditated geopolitical maneuver that allowed the US to have control of world trade, and thus, making it the world power. No other nation threatens the US’s stranglehold of world trade. All trade of any significance between nations is allowed, in a sense, by the US.

Definition of GEOPOLITICS
1: a study of the influence of such factors as geography, economics, and demography on the politics and especially the foreign policy of a state
2: a governmental policy guided by geopolitics
3: a combination of political and geographic factors relating to something (as a state or particular resources)

Early American forefathers said it was our Manifest Destiny to span the continent, from coast to coast. They knew then, that Old Europe’s might stemmed from its control of the ocean, and subsequently, world trade.

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Oddsock May 9, 2012 at 22:38

Fret ye not guys, Oddsock still loves you even if you are American.

Give us a kiss Rob.

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Eric May 9, 2012 at 22:42

Avenger;
Just as a side note, Madison was president when the White House was burned. He was nearly captured; in fact, the British soldiers ate his dinner before burning the place down.

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jaego May 9, 2012 at 23:03

We deserved it – the war of 1812 was naked American Imperialism. And thus the boast that America never lost a war was always a lie. The invasion force was badly beaten by combined British and Canadian forces.

The Battle of New Orleans restored our dignity a bit. Interesting point: Andrew Jackson bristled to the end of his days when people said it was unecessary since fought after the Treaty had been signed. He always replied that Britain did not get to world dominance by sticking to treaties not in her favor. And that if the British had won they would have controled the whole river and would have quickly established a system of forts on the western side – and that would have been the boundary of the United States.

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jaego May 9, 2012 at 23:07

America would have been a great Country even if we hadn’t rebelled against Britain. Far more fundamental was our defeat of the Indians, thus claiming America for the Western Civilization and the White Race. We are the Native Americans – they were just living here until we moved them out of the way.

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codebuster May 9, 2012 at 23:17

@T and A Man

I’m not talking about the post WWII intakes. I should know about that, given that my family was a part of that. Instead, I’m talking about the “ten pound pom” program that was directed at bringing out the large numbers of Brits over the post-war years to the early 1970s. Trusty old wikipedia lays the ambiguities to rest – neither of us was 100% correct, as the 10-quid program included British colonies, like Malta and Cyprus. And I’m well aware of Melbourne as containing a huge Greek influence, or the early German settlements in South Australia as the only state foreseeing problems with convict settlements. And it is true that the US and other countries have tried to limit intakes from nations from where numbers seemed to be disproportional. No country is perfect. But whichever way you want to debate it, however you want to support your argument, the bottom line is that Australian culture is quite unique among western countries in the breadth and depth of its racism. Google “Australia” and “racism”. Whether it’s aboriginals, Asians, Indians, or even the 10-quid poms themselves and the Germans that migrated to the Barossa valley, and the list goes on. I’m not talking about the official stuff, the warm-and-fuzzy garbage they publish in the msm and that they want the rest of the world to believe. More importantly, it’s the unspoken stuff, the exclusion of tall-poppies, people who stand out as being somehow different. Whether you call it racism, or whatever. I prefer to call it “differentism”, but that’s a bit obscure for most people. Too tall, too short, too friendly, not friendly enough… a pigeon-hole is required for every occasion, every anomaly. It’s the unspoken weight of conformity, the miasma of mediocrity, the molasses for the mind that stunts individualism and freedom of expression. It’s the denial and the secrecy, and it’s the impact that all this has on Nannystate Central. I’m alluding to the tendency of Australians to group bonding, and to gather among clones of themselves (like one workplace I encountered that won’t employ you unless you played cricket and joined their cricket team… seriously lol)… hence the 10-quid pom program, as an attempt to dilute differences.

If you were to take seriously everything that Australia says officially and publicly, you would believe that there was a mining boom employing people for their skills, you would believe that Australians are too relaxed and easy-going to be racists, and you would believe that the current unemployment rate stands at 5%.

Who’s singling out Australia? Check out the previous commentary and threads critical of America and Britain. From the absence of commentary on Australia, in any of those threads, you would think that Australia was an exemplar for all the world to follow, shining a beacon of light in the darkness and providing warmth for the huddled masses.

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Oddsock May 9, 2012 at 23:41

Gun parts found inside stuffed animals at US airport ( A domestic dispute)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/240388.html

Cause NAWALT Pfttt !

Still want to get married son ?

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Opus May 10, 2012 at 03:50

@Eric

I am not a military man, so I wouldn’t know.

What does that turncoat Charles Martel who now seems to be regretting leaving us (but you can’t come back) think as to the merits of Harrington.
I am sure he must have learned about these things at Sandhurst. ;)

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Avenger May 10, 2012 at 04:36

Fret ye not guys, Oddsock still loves you even if you are American

Oldsock isn’t even English. He’s a Scouseman. Entirely different race. Doesn’t even speak English that any civilised person can understand :)

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Avenger May 10, 2012 at 05:14

Best case scenario is for WA OR and ID to secede

hahaha

New England will join NY, NJ and Penn and form their own country. There’s nothing they don’t have including nuclear power and hydroelectricc power. They can grow almost any crop without worrying about droughts, have plenty of hardwood timber and oil off the coast. They can graze any animal and have a multitude of wild animals and the oceans, rivers and lakes are full of fish. The ocean and the best natural harbour on both sides of the Atlantic is right there for oil tankers and other shipping. All of those old factory towns can be started up again and start producing, the factories are still thereincluding the GM one north of NYC and they have the people capable of running them. All of the best Universities and brains are there too. It’s too far from Mexico to be invaded by Mestizos and the negroes that are therr will be sent back to their homelands in the south although 1/2 those States are already 98% White. and mostly empty (Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire) And unlike the rocky and useless mountains out west in Idaho the mountains in the East are more like the green Lake Country or Highlands.The Hudson is like the Rhine river.
There are casinos in places in places to attract tourists and make money and there’s a long shoreline from colder Maine to warm S Jersey for Summer tourists.

No Boxer, I wouldn’t bet on Idaho or Oregon as the centre of the new empire. And I don’t know what those flyover States will do since they’ll have to ship their grain through the Great Lakes and NY owned St Lawrence seaway to the ocean for export and they’ll have to pay a tariff to do it. In fact, NY should join Quebec for some French flavour and include them in the new empire :)

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Boxer May 10, 2012 at 05:21

Still want to get married son ?

Yeah, marriage is such a blessed institution. Pure paradise for everyone involved.
give us a kiss Rob

Glad to see I still live in poor Rob’s imagination… lol! I suppose we should start the magic countdown before he begins his hundred post spree, in which I am (once again) fingered, with the help of Keyster and Migu, as the controller of the world and supreme grand-poobah of the communist party (which these kooks think is actually in control of everything from the metric system to the queen of england). The nonsense ends with a final posts about Rob collapsing from an overdose of his psychiatric medication.

Boxer and his comrades were exposed long ago, as everyone knows…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_aEalijE

Regards, Boxer

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Rmaxd May 10, 2012 at 05:54

Waits for the commencement of the votebot invasion …

Hold onto your seats gents, your comments are about to be disliked by 20+ substandard left right paradigm believing idiots … lol

Wheres Rob & the rest of his merry Jerry Springer red neck extra’s the fate of yet another comments section on a blog’s at stake …

Onward Rob’s jerry springer extra’s, your gallant votebot awaits …

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Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 06:12

Boxer Rmaxd Avenger

Yes avenger I even love you my little plant pot. But remember, I am daddy you are mummy.

Interesting, you see guys I enjoy reading some posts by Rob Keyster Migue hell even avenger talks sense sometimes. It doesn’t mean I agree with them, just enjoy and gives me an alternative view.

Ok, from my position, what I can’t grasp is the constant finger pointing at socialism cultural marxism et al as the cause of all ills. It always reminds me of the paranoid red under every bed era in America. I suspect many have not got past that stage even now.

I do my best to try and coax them, get them to listen, the left right paradigm is just smoke and mirrors and despite the overwhelming evidence they still go back to the same old same old, just vote for this party or that party and all will be well for us men or at least slightly better than the last crowd. That is what I find most stunningly ignorant misleading and very dangerous, especially for the younger guys.

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Boxer May 10, 2012 at 06:17

Wheres Rob & the rest of his merry Jerry Springer red neck extra’s the fate of yet another comments section on a blog’s at stake …

Rob threatened to create and host a web page in my honor, exposing me. The only thing that’s happened since is Manboobz featuring my blog on his page. I doubt this is a coincidence.

As another interesting aside, I wonder where all the comments come from on Manboobz page. Having me on the front page as the scary monster of the day only generated 20something pageviews. I get orders of magnitude more when I talk to Dalrock or Chuck Rudd and backlink.

In any event, someone has an agenda here. I’ll leave it to the casual observers to figure out who. And a note to Price: Rob, Migu, Avenger and Keyster can make my next donation for me. I’m not going to send any more money to the-spearhead while this sort of vote rigging and conversation destroying stuff goes on. I don’t really care that they follow me around, licking at my asshole and begging for my attention. It’s the principle of the thing. These halfwits are not even entertaining.

Regards, Boxer

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Rob May 10, 2012 at 07:12

Rob threatened to create and host a web page in my honor, exposing me. — Boxer

Just amazing the lies you throw out. We’ve already gone through this before – nobody offered you a web page.

All we’ve done is figured out that you have spent fourteen years in school, and still don’t have a Ph D. – yet, we are all supposed to bow to your mighty knowledge which you refuse to share in a productive way.

We know you live in Surrey and attend Simon Fraser University. You claim you have “students” so you are likely a Teacher’s Assistant – probably at the Master’s level. You are paid by a “panel” and it is likely that what is going on is you are being paid to do research for SFU which you will then use for your thesis or dissertation.

But nobody EVER promised you a web-page.

You are a disinformation troll, and claim we see communists under every bed (actually, Marxists would be a more accurate description than Communism as Communism is the end political goal of Marxism). You claim we are all full of shit and don’t know what we are talking about, because it is America that is diseased because of Trotsky infiltrating the Neo-cons… thus, America should be destroyed.

And you still refuse to answer the simple question of whether Trotsky was a Marxist or not. Because if you say yes, you can no longer claim that Marxism is not involved, can you?

But a web page – never promised nor threatened, nor even mentioned by anyone but you.

You also continually lie about my medical condition and claim I am mentally ill. You are just out to be an asshole to people, and as soon as any real conversation develops, you pop out of the woodwork and do your utmost to undermine it with lies and bullshit.

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Matt May 10, 2012 at 07:52

Trotsky was a marxist. How pure he was, I don’t know, but Stalin had him exiled and killed. I think he was a Marxist-Leninist, he was the intellect, or brains as you will behind the revolution,

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keyster May 10, 2012 at 08:21

You are just out to be an asshole to people, and as soon as any real conversation develops, you pop out of the woodwork and do your utmost to undermine it with lies and bullshit.

That’s why I lost all respect for him.
He makes shit up about other commenters and uses personal insults to obfuscate from his “historical” claims. If he thinks communism is a tenable solution for men and men’s rights, fine. But when you ask him to expand upon these beliefs he deflects and distracts with lies about anyone who disgrees with him. It’s not honorable behavior conducive to a man, and certianly not an MRA.

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Migu May 10, 2012 at 08:39

[i]the left right paradigm is just smoke and mirrors[/i]

Been saying this since 2005.

If you actually know what cultural marxism is, it’s pretty evident that is the methodology used by the PTB, Illuminaughty or whatever you want to call the controlling bureaucrats.

It has nothing to do with left/right, red scare or anything else. Have you even read anything by Mises yet? Bastiat? Rothbard? I think you should, they were espousing your ideas before you were.

Come on oddsock. I was the first guy around here telling people voting is an illusion of control. I was the first asshole to shit on the Sacred Cow of American exceptionalism.

And the assault on Rob just blows my mind. You guys wouldn’t do this to zed, oh wait you all have, you just didn’t know it was him. You’ve done it to irlandes. You’ve done it to just about every single big name in the game. You guys are so wet behind the ears when the owner of backlash.com showed up, you slammed him too. Genius I tell you.

Pay attention to the content, not the posts. And I still wonder when you will all figure out, after every pass the hat plea a three week vacation to Europe or Vancouver or wherever else follows.

It’s a pretty easy pattern to see. A few personal struggles with wifey posts. Then another for the court, then maybe one or two making fun of the new man, followed by “Give me some money please”

I think you oddsock, see the word marxist, democrat, or republican, and then shutdown and quit reading. Read Rob’s blog. It is not what Boxer or anyone else paints it to be. See Rob’s post “Boxer has already been responded too.”I don’t know about keyster, but he apparently keeps reading because the last thing I see him hanging onto is we have to get women on board. Notice it’s not republican women or get republicans in the white house anymore either

As for me, I’ll call bullshit when I see it, and if I can help the giants do so, I’ll do that as well.

Understand when I say you I’m using the word Ihr. Unfortunately English does not decline it’s nouns, and grammatical cases have all but vanished (pronouns excepted) it re-orders prepositions, so speaking of you in the infinitive is almost impossible.

I can’t believe you oddsock just bought into someone else’s caricature of me. Oh well. It’s all worth it if just one man opens his eys

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Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 08:55

Migu

This is only a simple thread on the spearhead. I often post in generalities to make a point. Unfortunately, sometimes innocent bystanders get tarred with the same brush. I do understand exactly what you mean about cultural marxism being used by the PTB and elite to further their cause. My point is and always has been, then why not fecking say just that ? Instead of hiding it behind pointless dick waving contests about who knows the most about Trotsky and co ?

Thats what gets right up my wazoo mate. I understand a little as to why you defend Robs position, he does make some good points but for fecks sake, over and over and over again. Who feckin cares ? Men are getting the shaft and as long as a few guys on here and elsewere are more interested in swinging their feckin handbags at each other talking academic shite, men will not wake up, especially the younger guys.

Hope that clairifies a few things?

P.s

Migu. If you fly with the crows you get shot with the crows.

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Migu May 10, 2012 at 09:38

oddsock

Point taken on the crows. I just don’t think these guys are feasting on a corpse.

Who feckin cares? Men are getting the shaft and as long as a few guys on here and elsewere are more interested in swinging their feckin handbags at each other talking academic shite, men will not wake up, especially the younger guys.

This is what I don’t understand. Those guys are saying the same thing as you above. They are the ones getting attacked, not the other way around. I get attacked every time I say voting is a waste of time. If you vote you agree to let the winner of the contest do as he will with you. Then people come out of nowhere and proceed to challenge my mental capacity, education, genetic lineage etc…

Then the original point about voting is lost, and we get to throw shit at eachother. So I agree, but when someone is attacked in that way, I’ll defend them and try and get the conversation back to……Do you understand now why voting is a joke?

Wait till someone praises president lincoln and I throw in historical facts that prove he was nothing more than a bloodthirsty tyrant, and he just used the blacks to further his version of Utopia. He cared not one bit about the injustices and moral reprehensibility of slavery.

By simply stating that, there are at least five people who are ready to denounce me as a KKK member, or a white nationalist, or whatever these shitheads go by these days.

Same thing just happened to Rob. I mean yeah, who feckin cares? Except How can you get anyone to go their own way when they are afraid of denouncing liars?

Whether or not those liars are malicious actors or true believers matters not.

In answer to the question. Yeah, it clears things up. I just wondered why in the hell you would ascribe to me the behaviors of D/R L/T activists shilling for a system that’s only goal is to divide the spoils of those whom they would destroy.

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Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 09:58

Migu

“This is what I don’t understand. Those guys are saying the same thing as you above.”

With respect, they are saying very little to nothing the same as myself. They are arguing endlessly about who said what who called who a liar who said trotsky did this or marxists done that. It often takes up and unrails a complete thread and for what exactly ? Some guy that likes to think he is an adult but cant resists having a hissy fit for weeks on end becuase someone called him a liar ? How about Sorry mate I am not a liar and here is why but lets not spend to much time on it lets try and figure out or come up with some ideas that we can share and discuss.

We will get nowhere until this happens. Simple as that.

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Rob May 10, 2012 at 10:05

You know, Oddsock, it’s not just “Marxism.”

What you need to realize is that Marxism/Hegel’s Relative Truth is actually the feminine itself. This goes right back to the Garden of Eden where Eve’s relative truths over-ride the absolute truth of God’s word.

There was only one rule in the Garden – only one Truth they had to follow. Eve over-rode that Truth with the use of Relative Truth… she saw that it was pleasing to the eye, good for food, and useful for gaining knowledge… so she took it and ate it.

However, the difference between Adam and Eve was that while the serpent decieved Eve, Adam was not decieved, rather, he sinned willingly – because Eve asked him to. He followed his animal instincts rather than using his brain.

It is the nature of the feminine perogative, always based in Relative Truth, to over-ride the Absolute Truth. For women 1+1=3 or 1+1=4 – especially via consensus of the herd (ie. democracy is truth, thus women change fashions more than men and also social proof “sexy” men by what other females think is sexy – female truth is “relative”), but for men 1+1=2 – the truth, no matter what – thus man is in God’s image. He has the ability to see the truth better than women.

Thus, the beginning of God’s curse to Adam is, “Because you listened to your wife…”

Marxism is Feminine-ism. “Feminism” and the behaviour of women has been around since the beginning of time. Marxism is the same thing as feminine-ism. It is placing the Relative Truth over the Absolute Truth – all truth is ever changing – that is the female brain translated into politics.

When the male principle started leading the female principle, rather than the other way around, we stopped living like animals and rose up from living like beasts in the field, and started having a civilization.

Since Marx wanted to destroy civilization, he wants the female principle to lead the male principle – because it will lead us to destruction.

All of the powers that be, whoever they are, also want us to be led by the female principle – the Relative Truth – because they can manipulate society and the human condition by having it set up this way. What dictatorship wouldn’t want to be able to change the truth to suit whichever goal suits them?

By the way, Marx discussed “voting” too:

“Democracy is the road to socialism.” — Karl Marx

“The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.” — Karl Marx

The “real government” is the unelected bureaucracy beneath those that get voted in. Do you really think it matters, down at the Social Services Office in your town, whether Obama gets re-elected or Romney gets voted in? The policies at those bureaucracies stay the same, as do the bureaucrats that run them. Whether Republican or Democrat in office, does it change the position of the Divorce Court Judge and the way he rules? Nope, not at all. Do the police change their policies with a changing elected government? Nope. The real government is one level below those that are voted in.

This is why you see guys like me opposed to starting up more “organisms” to add to the system. We don’t need unelected bureaucracies representing men. It wasn’t good for women, but actually hurt them. The social services system actually brings more harm to the overall state of the family than helps it. That men think an unelected bureaucracy representing men’s issues will help them is simply more Utopianist thinking.

Men are 1+1=2

Even if it is unpleasant, men seek the truth – the real truth.

Marxism is Feminine-ism – it is about placing the Relative Truth above the Absolute Truth, bringing us back to living like the rest of the animals on earth, which follow the feminine rather than the masculine.

And, btw, we don’t always have to talk about Marxism… I have lots of subjects I can talk about – if some dumb fuckers stopped undermining me, I could show you.

Do you want to talk about game? Sexuality? Schopenhauer? Weininger? Name it, I’ve studied it.

But ultimately it all comes back to Relative Truth vs. Absolute Truth, or in political terms, Marxism.

But really, answer me this, Oddsock, how does yapping about fucking inflatable sheep help anyone understand anything? I don’t see, nor ever have seen, how you teach anyone anything.

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Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 10:14

Rob

You don’t understand for two possibly three reasons 1 You clearly do not try and follow the teachings of the Buddha 2 You have little or no sense of humour and 3 you have way too much ego. See 1

I am also sure this will now send you into yet another pointless dick waving post. I try not to let my ego react and argue with yours.

Hey at least you may now understand more as to why you was so far of the mark about me trying to get you and others singing kumbiya.

I was trying to get you to talk as adult men and not teenage girls in the playground ( sorry a little bit of my ego slipped out there )

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Rob May 10, 2012 at 10:35

You can further see how women’s “truth” never really exists by the way they relate to men sexually.

Women are “empty vessels” – they conform themselves to whatever man they are currently with, and take on his truths, that is, until her rotating polyandry shifts her to her next man, then she takes on the new guy’s truths.

For example, I’ve known one woman for many years now. When I first met her, it was through snowmobiling. I was an avid snowmobiler and so was her boyfriend. She was really into snowmobiling – just loved it… until after four years, she broke up with her boyfriend. She never went sledding again.

The next guy she was with though, was really into drag-racing. She ended up marrying that guy, and really got into drag-racing. In fact, she ended up becoming the President of the Drag Racing Association of the town she lived in… until she divorced the guy. Now she couldn’t give a shit about drag-racing.

The guy she is with now is a sheep farmer and breeds border collies on the side. Now she has a government job which monitors foliage for sheep farmers, and she is a member of the Border Collie Breeding Association or something – they travel all around to dog shows etc. and she is really into it.

That woman is by nature intended to obey is shown by the fact that every woman who is placed in the unnatural position of absolute independence at once attaches herself to some kind of man, by whom she is controlled and governed; this is because she requires a master. If she, is young, the man is a lover; if she is old, a priest.Arthur Schopenhauer

Now, does such a woman actually have a personality of her own? No. She finds her personality through her man. She has no “truth” of her own – it is always relative, and is always subject to change.

This is why women give men fitness tests/shit tests. They test him for the strength of his character, and if they find him suitable, they will conform themselves around him. Thus, it is important for men to know themselves, and take a position and staunchly never budge.

XV. Maintain your state control

You are an oak tree. You will not be manipulated by crying, yelling, lying, head games, sexual withdrawal, jealousy ploys, pity plays, shit tests, hot/cold/hot/cold, disappearing acts, or guilt trips. She will rain and thunder all around you and you will shelter her until her storm passes. She will not drag you into her chaos or uproot you. When you have mastery over yourself, you will have mastery over her.Roissy’s Sixteen Commandments of Poon

The problem comes in when we falsely believe that men and women are equal, and thus let women “lead us.” They can’t, for they are full of relative truth – their truth doesn’t exist, not for long anyway. It is why women resent men so much who don’t take the lead. It may satisfy a woman’s ego to have her husband grovel before her, but what she needs is for a man to be strong so she can conform herself around him. She needs his “truth.”

What’s going on in society, that as a culture we have been failing feminism’s shit tests, and have become weak men.

You should also never be afraid to lose a woman – once you are in that position, she is the leader, and he is the follower.

As a culture, we are failing feminisms’ cultural shit tests. The solution is to become Men Going Their Own Way. See ya toots!

Women are as independent as a tropical fern in a greenhouse in Iceland.

If the men “leave” the women will follow, because female “independence” is an illusion.

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Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 10:50

Rob

Yes, excellent post and I agree 99% and that is the sort of stuff that we need to hammer into the young guys. However, as always, there is more than one way to skin a cat. What about the guys that no longer wish to have any relationships with modern woman? What about that guys that wish they could abstain but can’t ? I am sure there are many other groups that your post does not cover. (But hey no problem)

Perhaps we could also consider how Buddhist texts portray women as temptresses:

(Ananda was the Buddhas favourite Monk)

Why can’t women embark in business/court? Buddha said: Women folk are Uncontrolled, envious, greedy, weak in wisdom, Ananda. (Anguttar Nikaya II.81)

Monks, a woman’s heart is obsessed by form, sound, scent, savor and touch of a Man…Womenfolk end their life unsated and unreplete with two things: sexual Intercourse and childbirth. (AN II.2)

Monks, I see no other single form so enticing, so desirable, so intoxicating, so binding, so distracting, such a hindrance to winning the unsurpassed peace from effort, that is to say, monks, as a woman’s form…Whoever clings to a woman’s form-inflated, greedy, fetter, enslave, enthralled-for many a long day shall he grieve, snared by the chains of a woman’s form. (AN II.67)

Monks, if ever one would rightly say: it is wholly a snare of Mara-verily, Speaking rightly, one may say of womanhood: it is wholly a snare of Mara. (AN III.67)

What to do when faced with the snare of woman?
-As if not seeing them, Ananda.
-But if we should see them, what are we to do?
-No talking, Ananda.
-But, if they should talk to us, Lord, what are we to do?
-Keep wide awake, Ananda. (Mahaparinibbanna Sutra D II. 141)

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Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 10:57

Rob

While we are on the subject. I am sure this now also applies to many men. What about these shit tests maid by women? What about the guy that is now of the mind that he does not want to have to deal with and manage such things ? What if he, like myself, thinks its way too high a price to pay for a long term relationship ? I mean, who the feck wants to deal with an angry adult child everyday and also manage them ? Life can be difficult enough without that shite.

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Rob May 10, 2012 at 11:01

“Ultimate Extinction of the Dharma Sutra”

“When the Dharma is about to disappear, women will become vigorous and will at all times do deeds of virtue. Men will grow lax and will no longer speak the Dharma.”

“When my Dharma disappears it will be just like an oil lamp which flares brightly for an instant just before it goes out. After this time it is difficult to speak with certainty of what will follow.”

“Good persons will be hard to find; at most there will be one or two. Men will die younger, and women will live longer.”

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Buddha – From “The Sutra of the Past Vows of Earth Store Bodhisattva” (Commentary by Tripitaka Master Hsuan Hua – in America)

Sutra:

Buddha: “If there are women who detest the body of a woman, and who full-heartedly make offerings to Earth Store Bodhisattva’s image, whether the image be a painting or made of earth, stone, lacquerware, brass, iron, or some other material, and if they do so day after day without fail, using flowers, incense, food, drink, clothing, colored silks, banners, money, jewels, and other items as offerings, when the female retribution body of those good women is exhausted, for hundreds of thousands of aeons they will never again be born in the worlds where there are women, much less be one, unless it be through the strength of their compassionate vows to liberate living beings. From the power of the meritorious virtues resulting from these offerings to Earth Store Bodhisattva, they will not receive the bodies of women throughout hundreds of thousands of tens of thousands of aeons.

Commentary:

Do not think that being a woman is a good thing, for being a woman involves a great deal of trouble. There are women who do not like it and always wonder why they have to be women; they want to learn what they can do about it. Through worship of Earth Store Bodhisattva these questions can be resolved.

What is the trouble involved in being a woman? Because there are people who might like to investigate this further, I will go into a bit more detail. You should not think of this as an attempt to cause women to dislike their state and leave home. If that occurred then there might be even more problems for me to deal with.

There are Five Obstructions and Ten Evils encountered by women. First we will discuss the Five Obstructions. The first is that women are not able to become the Great Brahma Lord because that position is accomplished through purity, and the body of a woman has a great many impurities. Second, women cannot become Sakra. An astute student may object that earlier we discussed the thirty-three women who became lords of the heavens. This objection is a valid one, but it should be realized that upon reaching the heavens their bodies became male, because only males can be lords of the heavens. Although Sakra has some desire remaining, that desire is quite light; women, on the other hand, are extremely libidinous and consequently cannot become Sakra.

Third, women cannot become demon kings. This is not too bad. They cannot attain this position because demons are extremely hard, solid, and firm, while women are extremely soft and weak. As soon as anything unusual comes up they are at a loss and have to seek help. Fourth, beings cannot be wise wheel-turning kings – the gold, silver, copper, and iron wheel-turning kings – as long as they have female bodies. Wise kings have hearts of great compassion and kindness; they teach people to maintain the Five Precepts and the Ten Good Deeds. Whenever women see something good occur to others, they become jealous, and this keeps them from having great compassion. Because of this basic problem, they cannot become Buddhas. Buddhas have ten thousand virtues; women have many evils. They are jealous and obstructive, and their hearts are about the size of a sesame seed.

If, however, women are able to rid themselves of jealousy, desire, weakness, defilement, and of all evils, they may become men, and so theirs is not a hopeless plight. There is, for example, the case of the dragon king’s daughter. When Sariputra said that she could not become a Buddha, she took a precious gem, her most valuable and cherished possession, and offered it to the Buddha, who accepted it. She then asked Sariputra if the Buddha’s acceptance of her offering was fast, and he replied that, indeed, it had been quick. “I shall become a Buddha that quickly,” she said and then she became a Buddha. This is proof that women’s lot is not hopeless. All they must do is resolve to cultivate courageously and they too can become Buddhas.

There are also Ten Evils that pertain to women. First, at their birth their parents are displeased. Although it is not always the case that parents are displeased at the birth of a daughter, in most societies this is the case, and a daughter starts out life by making a bad impression on her parents.

The second evil is that raising daughters is not a very interesting task. The third is that women are always afraid of people. Boys are not usually afraid, but girls almost always are. The fourth evil connected with women is that their parents undergo a great deal of worry about their daughters’ marriage. In America this is not a major matter, but in most other countries parents have to give a great deal of consideration to finding good husbands for their daughters.

Once girls grow up, the fifth of the Ten Evils occurs, when they have to leave their parents alone. The sixth comes after they have been married and are in constant fear of their husbands. When a husband likes something, they are pleased, and when he is angry, they cower in terror. The seventh evil of women is the difficulty and fear of giving birth.

The eighth difficulty is that no matter what they do or say, the report gets back to their parents that they are not good. Although the good remains, it is a goodness that does not influence their parents. The ninth is that they are always controlled by their husbands and are subject to many restrictions, which, if broken, can lead to divorce.

The above nine evils apply to women in their youth. They are old when the tenth arrives and their own children and grandchildren slight them. As the proverb says, “To be old and not yet dead is to be a thief.” These are only a few of the many problems involved with being a woman. To explain all of them in detail would be an unending task.

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Buddha – from “Selected Writings of Nichiren”

– Women are messengers from hell. They cut off the seeds of Buddhahood. They have the faces of bodhisattvas, but their hearts are like demons. Women can no more attain Buddhahood than can a dried up seed sprout.

- The course of a river and a woman’s mind both wander. Water is malleable, it turns here and there when rocks and mountains block its path. Women are like this. They are inconstant as water. Although they know what is right, when they run into the strong will of a man, they are checked and turn in bad directions. The right fades like a line drawn on the water. Women’s nature is unsteady: though they see what they should be, they soon become what they should not be. Buddhahood is founded on integrity. Therefore, women, who are easily swayed, cannot become Buddhas. Women have the “five obstacles” (inability to become anything great) and the “three followings” (follows first the father, then the husband, then the son). Thus in one sutra it is written: “Even should the eyes of all the buddhas of the three worlds fall to the earth, women cannot become Buddha.” Another text says: “Even if you can capture the clear wind, you can never capture the mind of a woman.”

- The passions of all the men of the three thousand worlds and the hindrances to the salvation of one woman are comparably immeasurable.

- Among the three pleasures of Yung Ch’i-ch’i (in “Tales of Chuang Tzu”) was the pleasure of not being born as a woman. He also named the pleasure of not being reborn in heaven as a woman.

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Anonymous May 10, 2012 at 11:08

@Rob: “Boxer has an agenda within the MRM, and it is not an MRM friendly one.”

That’s only one of the reasons I ignore him.

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Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 11:15

Rob

Yes, as I and a couple of others have said previously, the warnings about women or female form are written in almost every main stream religious text and yet we ignored them. Still do.

OK, now consider this. If some young guy arrives at the spearhead, lets say he just discoverd his long term girlfriend cheating on him and his kid is not actually his. Quite a common scenario I would say. His head is absolutely cabbaged and he may want answers explanation vent rage a bit etc. He lands here and find endless arguments about trotsky marxism cultural or not and who may or may not be a liar. What do you think he will do ? Really ? Are we not to consider such a guy, there is and will continue to be hundreds of thousands of them. At least if he sees my post about inflatable sheep it might just make him smile, first time in ages too. Options choiced discussions meaningful explanations is what we are all feckin looking for. Not who has a PHD in origami or some other crap subject.

You still havent given me a kiss. Go on, crack your face, smile, laugh a bit. Its infectious.

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Rob May 10, 2012 at 11:20

While we are on the subject. I am sure this now also applies to many men. What about these shit tests maid by women? What about the guy that is now of the mind that he does not want to have to deal with and manage such things ? What if he, like myself, thinks its way too high a price to pay for a long term relationship ? I mean, who the feck wants to deal with an angry adult child everyday and also manage them ? Life can be difficult enough without that shite. — Oddsock

Then don’t do it. Most men, as they age, lose interest in women. It is unreasonable to expect young men to deny their sexuality though, as it is THE prime directive of all living things (after survival) to reproduce. Guys have to be aware of the risks, for sure. This is why I put out things like The Book of Bonecrcker – it is a form of game that lays down the rules of engagement quite clearly, that is MRM friendly, and practices a modicum of moral values. Young guys are gonna have sex. Nothing can be done about that… but they have to have their eyes wide open and know the risks when they do it. They also have to realize that the more you expose yourself sexually, the more you expose yourself to totalitarianism. It’s not that they have to be celibate, but they must accept that the more sexual you are, the more are the odds that the government can fuck you over – choose your risks accordingly.

I used to fly – I knew it was a riskier job than most. I still did it, but I was under no illusions that it was as safe as an office job. Young men have to understand the same things about engaging in sexual liasons with women.

As for “older guys,” they lose their sex-goggles and begin to see women as they really are:

I cannot conceal from myself that for a dozen years or more I have ceased to be under the spell of sex; I know too well the defects and weaknesses of the idol. I had set it too high, to the detriment of the virile man; I have liked women and sought their company too much. At last impartiality has come. It is never too late to be wise. If I continue to feel a slight preference for the more loving sex, I am less naive, less blind, less credulous, less admiring than before. The veil of Maya has worn thin, and illusion is less necessary to me. My camaraderie has enabled to see truly. I can look at them as they look at one another, as their mothers, fathers and brothers look at them, as the doctor sees them, that is, in all the ways other than the amorous and illusioned way. I am sensitive to their charm, without overrating them; I am touched, moved, grateful, attracted, without being deceived. This is the state I prefer.The Intimate Journal of Henri Amiel: Sept. 17, 1880

One of the problems that has to be addressed about older guys though, is “without a horse in the race” (children), what will take these men into old age? It is a problem I contemplate often. Usually, men work themselves like dogs until old age to further benefit their offspring.

Without children/family however, I often fear that a lot of men will become victims of suicide. Our sexuality fuels us as young men – we think it will never end, but it does. What we have to figure out for the older guys is something to replace that which will be missing by not having a family to watch grow and achieve as he ages. If all it is is just to get up and keep going to work… why would you want to live into old age? Life becomes a drag. This is something that has to be addressed. I keep thinking about priests, monks and the knights of old – they too age without families, yet, they seem to accomplish quite a bit – what is it that fuels them? I don’t know the answer to that yet, but there must be something there, and if we can identify those principles, we can perhaps create something for men to hold onto and live satisfactory lives as they age.

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Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 11:30

Rob

“Without children/family however, I often fear that a lot of men will become victims of suicide. Our sexuality fuels us as young men – we think it will never end, but it does. What we have to figure out for the older guys is something to replace that which will be missing by not having a family to watch grow and achieve as he ages. If all it is is just to get up and keep going to work… why would you want to live into old age? Life becomes a drag. This is something that has to be addressed. I keep thinking about priests, monks and the knights of old – they too age without families, yet, they seem to accomplish quite a bit – what is it that fuels them? I don’t know the answer to that yet, but there must be something there, and if we can identify those principles, we can perhaps create something for men to hold onto and live satisfactory lives as they age.”

Yes, I suspect this may also have a lot to do with mans faulty programming. Most see themselves as nothing more than a pack horse wage slave and even get some satisfaction from said position. Viz sexploytation The slaves happiness. I believe the happy bachelor website is still going? Perhaps one day we could have a mass interlink website to cover all avenues. Further, it was once said that feminism would cause the great spiritual awakening of men. Perhaps also a route to consider ?

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Rob May 10, 2012 at 11:35

OK, now consider this. If some young guy arrives at the spearhead, lets say he just discoverd his long term girlfriend cheating on him and his kid is not actually his. Quite a common scenario I would say. His head is absolutely cabbaged and he may want answers explanation vent rage a bit etc. He lands here and find endless arguments about trotsky marxism cultural or not and who may or may not be a liar. What do you think he will do ? Really ? Are we not to consider such a guy, there is and will continue to be hundreds of thousands of them. — Oddsock

Yes, I know, and you won’t ever see me chase such men away.

But also consider this, if we don’t recognize the nature of what we are dealing with is Marxism, and that if we keep building its dialectical staircase to hell, these men will keep coming and coming and coming.

Think of it like this – We can be sympathetic to a war vet – perhaps he lost a leg, or he lost all of his friends… certainly we must be sympathetic.

But overall we would be doing men a better service by stopping the war so that there is not an endless stream of such damaged men showing up for all eternity.

This is why I feel so opposed to such things as Shared-Parenting – it furthers the Marxist Dialectic, and will invite government further into our lives. It will also increase the amount of false accusations of abuse (it will be the only way women will be able to get onto the divorce gravy train they currently have)… so, we have a choice. We can invite the government further into our lives, and create and endless stream of damaged and broken men for all eternity, or we can spend our efforts to do things like “move the fringe” so that Father Custody is restored… it really isn’t so ridiculous to do such a thing – look at what homosexuals did to be taken seriously about Gay Marriage. We have to recognize the truth, and try to restore it, that will be the best thing overall for everyone – including “the children” who will inherit the system we build – either one with more government, or less government. It is up to us.

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Migu May 10, 2012 at 11:37

So my apologies then oddsock, aside from when someone defends himself when attacked you guys are saying the same thing.

That is what I was getting at, but then the dissimulation is so great that the one percent you just disagreed with becomes a 100% “To the hells with you” conversation.

Make more sense?

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Boxer May 10, 2012 at 12:49

Dear Oddsock:

Rob/Migu/Keyster/Avenger already have driven people away from this board, due to Rob’s kooky and neverending quest to silence people with whom he disagrees.

We know you live in Surrey and attend Simon Fraser University.

A few weeks ago, Rob attempted to get people here to call SFU (which he holds as my employer) and harass the dean about my posting on a men’s rights site. Keyster made this threat before Rob ever did, though he was too stupid/cowardly/sane to follow through.

This was simply for disagreeing with him. Rob, Migu, et. al have a “political correctness” mentality which holds that disagreement is communism, or some such.

lets not spend to much time on it lets try and figure out or come up with some ideas that we can share and discuss.

I’m all for that, but I think it’s fair to throw it out that the-spearhead will not see another dollar in donations from me, for as long as this “let’s go real life and start stalking/harassing whoever disagrees with us” mentality continues. It’s sick.

Regards, Boxer

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Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 12:49

Rob Migu

Yes I can see and understand what you are both saying however I still think going on and on about Marxism is barking up the wrong tree. Ok, it may well be technically true but I doubt very much your average guy recently shafted in the divorce courts is (a) going to understand (b) even want to listen and (c) will not have the slightest desire to make the connection and/or do anything ( if at all possible) about it. Voting doesn’t work in the USA or the UK.

In a nutshell, yes we agree on core issues, our approach differs significantly. I believe it would be much more prudent, beneficial to try and put a stop to endless arguments about cultural marxism when we could be far more productive/helpful to men in general by giving options choices and meaningful discussion without us all spitting the dummy out when someone disagrees with our POV. MGTOW appears to be the only viable solution.

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Rob May 10, 2012 at 13:19

Well, Oddsock,

I have to disagree with you. There is plenty of room for both to co-exist, and in fact, it always has co-existed in the MRM, at least since MGTOW showed up on the scene.

The way the MRM was when I first found it was all a bunch of sissies holding hands and singing Kumbaya. There was no theory, there was no intelligence, there were no answers. We have a problem that everyone is in a one-room school on the internet. K-12 all in one place. It seems to me that your suggestion is that we all remain at the lowest common denominator – in kindergarten. Most men already know something is wrong… they just don’t know what “it” is yet. Most men that show up in the MRM don’t show up by accident – most are already looking for answers.

And certainly, we must be sympathetic to men who’ve been raked over the coals… however, to be a bit blunt, there is only so much sympathy and bending ourselves around to accomodate them that is reasonable. If any man here has not heard that 50% of marriages end in divorce, he must have been living in a cave 1,000 miles north of Timbuktu. Any man who hasn’t figured out yet that they will lose access to their children after a divorce must have been transported here via time machine from the 18th Century…

What has happened to most men is that they convinced themselves that Not All Women Are Like That and figured they had found the last special snowflake that existed on earth, so those above rules and statistics didn’t apply in his special circumstance.

They figure it out pretty soon, and quite painfully, that they were dead wrong. But then, they want to find out WHY these things are happening.

The MRM can post another Trillion articles about unfair divorce laws, and show another Billion examples of a female teacher sleeping with her male students and not recieving punishment for it… what good does it do? WE KNOW ALREADY! What we/they don’t know is WHY things are things like this, and how to work through the rabbit hole.

You seem to be requesting for the MRM to stay at the lowest common denominator – to stay as dense as possible so as to not hurt someone’s feelings.

We might as well start playing soccer without keeping score so nobody’s feelings get hurt.

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Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 13:37

Rob

Can’t you see even in your answer to my post you seem to have a problem with any alternative view. You are already poo pooing the idea as ” The lowest common denominator” and even suggesting that I wish to keep the MRM at the lowest common denominator.

Rob. This is obviously where we differ. There is no MRM never has been never will be. We are a collection of individuals one man armies if you like. It is immpossible to try and come up with a one size fits all approach. Its like trying to herd cats. Now that is my honest opinion. if you think there is another way or can somehow develop a MRM by continually going on about cultural marxism Please share. I am intrigued.

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Avenger May 10, 2012 at 13:40

Boxer writes

‘And a note to Price: Rob, Migu, Avenger and Keyster can make my next donation for me’

Let me check my piggy bank

‘ and I’m taking my ball and going home because you guys are mean.’
Bwa bwa bwa

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Art Vandelay May 10, 2012 at 13:46

This pissing contest is really getting annoying. Makes reading the comments a hassle.

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Rob May 10, 2012 at 13:52

Can’t you see even in your answer to my post you seem to have a problem with any alternative view. You are already poo pooing the idea as ” The lowest common denominator” and even suggesting that I wish to keep the MRM at the lowest common denominator.

Rob. This is obviously where we differ. There is no MRM never has been never will be. We are a collection of individuals one man armies if you like. It is immpossible to try and come up with a one size fits all approach. Its like trying to herd cats. Now that is my honest opinion. if you think there is another way or can somehow develop a MRM by continually going on about cultural marxism Please share. I am intrigued. — Oddsock

Come on now, you are stomping your feet demanding we stop talking frankly about what is going on in society. It is very important to understand the nature of Marxism so that we don’t make things worse – Marxism is naturally set up as a trap – its goal is to cause so much confusion that people run to the government and request the government to take control of their lives – like what Shared-Parenting is doing.

But, you seem to be demanding that we no longer speak of the real cause of the problem, and how it affects our lives.

How did the Spearhead go from a place that used to regularly discuss this:

The Baby Bomb – How the Boomers Were Used to Demolish a Culture – by Zed

To the handwringing about stopping all discussion of such things? (You’ll notice the references to Marxism in there too – there’s a reason for that – it’s a LARGE part of what’s going on).

Read all of Zed’s Articles The reason the man is so highly regarded in the MRM is because he tries to explain WHAT is going on and WHY it happened along with HOW we can deal with it.

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Rob May 10, 2012 at 13:56

I notice the Book of Zed is no longer at the top corner of the Spearhead’s main page.

You can find Zed’s Eye of the Mind here and The Wisdom of Zenpriest here.

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W.F. Price May 10, 2012 at 13:57

@Art

Yep. It’s why I’m setting up a new system.

W.F. Price May 10, 2012 at 13:59

I notice the Book of Zed is no longer at the top corner of the Spearhead’s main page.

-Rob

There was some code in that particular widget that sometimes crashed the site. I could put it back up but haven’t fixed it yet.

Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 15:01

No Rob

I am simply saying there is more than one approach. You seem stuck with an all or nothing POV and focused on this feckin obsession with cultural Marxism. Yes it may well be beneficial for a few to discuss highlight etc but it is not helping your average man decide whats best for him. I can only repeat again what I said earlier. I am all for options choices alternatives ideas etc to improve mans lot. Information and awareness raising is what seems to work, its what we have been doing for years and it is reaching ever increasing numbers of men.

What exactly are you suggesting? I am genuinely interested. A MRM politcal party ? a MRM based on anti marxism ? What ? Will it be international or just for the USA ?

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Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 15:06

Art

I am trying not to get into such a thing as a pissing contest. Just trying to clear the communication channel. Looks like I am failing though.

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keyster May 10, 2012 at 16:10

A few weeks ago, Rob attempted to get people here to call SFU (which he holds as my employer) and harass the dean about my posting on a men’s rights site. Keyster made this threat before Rob ever did, though he was too stupid/cowardly/sane to follow through.

You make shit up man.
It’s not cool.
Grow up.
I’ve never had or expressed any such inclinations, and by you claiming it doesn’t make it true. Who’s the REAL “kook” here Boxer?

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keyster May 10, 2012 at 16:19

Rob, et al -

I recommend Mark Levin’s “Ameritopia” which traces the origins of the left/right paradigm from Plato’s “Republic” to Marx and John Locke. It’s not a pop culture, anti-statist screed like his previos book. It’s an academic analysis of the origins of these ideological concepts.

Rob – You are a learned soul. Lessor men should put their egos in their pockets and learn. Our little friend Boxer is a small child by comparison.

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Migu May 10, 2012 at 16:28

What exactly are you suggesting? I am genuinely interested. A MRM politcal party ? a MRM based on anti marxism ? What ? Will it be international or just for the USA ?

No, this is the problem. How many times does the suggestion need to be repeated? When it is already there, why rewrite it over and over again?

It is annoying as hell. It bugs the hell out of me. You still seem think we are shilling for something, damn no. We are telling everyone the same god damned thing. Then we nitpick, WTF for?

I’m a die hard catholic. Oops now here comes more nitpicking. WTF ever.

And yeah welmer set your system up. A separate site for your benefactors. Just let them know their donations are for your vacation.

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Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 16:34

Ok I give up.

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Eric May 10, 2012 at 17:47

Oddsock/Migu:
Part of the problem is that both Marxism and Libertarianism are premised on economic determinism, which is in itself a false premise. That’s behind a lot of the strident argument—both think they have they ‘magic bullet’ to a utopia, and each is standing in the other’s way of getting there.

Marxism tells us that the economic system should be completely under government control; and that government control should be in the hands of the proliteriat. IOW, they believe that the masses of people, who know nothing about economics, would manage economies better than economists can; and that they would automatically manage it for ‘the good of the whole’—assuming, it’s supposed, that the common good is something everyone agrees upon.

Libertarianism tells us that the economic system should be free of government, but controlled by the people who have an interest in it. Again, they assume automatically that these interested parties will always think long-term and never build unfair advantages into the system. For some reason, while they complain about the corruption in government, they somehow think that the absence of government will translate into less corruption in Big Business. Their economic determinism blinds them to the reality that some people crave power more than money—and the same types will gravitate to powerful institutions like corporations if their opportunism in government is frustrated.

Stable and viable nations are not dependent on their economic systems. Governments, like economies, are only as good as the quality of the people supporting them. Sensible government policy leaves is its economic policies to economists, the State itself otherwise stays out of the economy unless national interest necessitates its interference. Otherwise, you end up with corporations more powerful than the government (e.g., the US) or goverments so stifling that economies can’t develop (e.g. North Korea).

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Rob May 10, 2012 at 18:36

No Rob

I am simply saying there is more than one approach. You seem stuck with an all or nothing POV and focused on this feckin obsession with cultural Marxism. Yes it may well be beneficial for a few to discuss highlight etc but it is not helping your average man decide whats best for him. I can only repeat again what I said earlier. I am all for options choices alternatives ideas etc to improve mans lot. Information and awareness raising is what seems to work, its what we have been doing for years and it is reaching ever increasing numbers of men.

What exactly are you suggesting? I am genuinely interested. A MRM politcal party ? a MRM based on anti marxism ? What ? Will it be international or just for the USA ? — Oddsock

I am suggesting no such thing. Precisely the opposite. What I am saying however, is that once you realize that we are dealing with Marxism, and precisely because it because it based upon the right-left paradigm, you must realize that Marxism is a trap. The more you fight against it, the more entangled within it you become – it is like quicksand, you must stop struggling, and extract yourself slowly and deliberately or you will become more trapped. A “grass-roots” movement fighting against Marxism is precisely what makes one more trapped. For example, shared-parenting is a grass-roots movement that is the result of the problems caused previously by Marxist changes to marriage – are the Shared-Parenting people trying to restore that which was before (Father Custody) or are they running to the government to beg them to create something totally new which has never existed before in human history? There is so much damage and confusion in the state of marriage, that the opponents to the current system feel the need to run to the government and request more government to solve the present problems. This is exactly the wrong approach, because it is a trap.

The “solution” is to “step out of it” – in other words, Go Your Own Way.

I have written about this extensively, so I will leave a few links to some articles, but will split it up into a few different posts so that it doesn’t get held up in moderation.

Marxism, Red Herrings, and the Totalitarian Trap This explains the basics of Marxism/Critical Theory and how it is used to create the Totalitarian Trap, where people

The Dialectic, Useful Idiots and Consolidating the Gains to the Left
This explains how the dialectical staircase works, and how “useful idiots” are used not only for leftward movement, but also “the backlash to the right” also further draws one into the totalitarian trap. (ie. Shared Parenting is a rightward backlash movement, but it is not one that asks for less government and a restoration of the old, but rather more government and the creation of something new).

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Rob May 10, 2012 at 18:46

The next article The Misandry Bubble Burst a Decade Ago explains how we are already charging back in the right-left paradigm… the MRM is gaining steam, but is it asking for more, or less government?

This article, The Marxist Dialectic of the Family – Part One is the first of a four part series I am writing – I only have the first part written so far, as I’ve had some medical problems lately (it’s hypoglycemia, finally found out today) and it’s gotten in the way of my writing… but it shows what is going on, and what will continue to happen.

In the end, the solution is not a political party, nor a lobby group, nor ANYTHING, but walking away – stepping out of the Dialectical Argument and returning to the Truth. As a Buddhist, I know you acknowledge the Absolute Truth, and in fact, seek it. THAT is the answer – stop fighting back, and return to the truth. MGTOW.

But to NOT acknowledge what is going on, and to flail wildly about, is what will screw us more than anything else – because that is what they want. It is all built on lies. What did people in the Soviet Union say was the worst part of living under Marxism? It was not the gulag, it was not the breadlines… but it was the lies. Everything was a lie – they had no Absolute Truth, and the truth constantly changed.

The only way to defeat Marxism is to “step out of it” and return to the Truth.

Men Going Their Own Way

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Eric May 10, 2012 at 19:18

Rob;
I don’t disagree at all that Feminism has its roots in Marxism, but I think that has evolved into a separate and distinct movement independent of Marxism. This is an example of what I alluded to earlier about economic determinism. I don’t think feminists care what the economy looks like, as long men are excluded from it and they hold all the purse-strings.

Cultural Marxism is not viable, but wherever it was tried in 1910s and 1920s Europe, it was quickly followed by a right-wing reaction in the 1930s and 1940s. I see a lot of those trends here too as both the Left and Right increasingly polarised and more doctrinaire. But notice that Socon women are just as misndryist as radical feminists. As far as men are concerned, changing forms of government won’t change things at all. I think that a cultural version of MGTOW is not a bad plan.

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Rob May 10, 2012 at 19:33

I think that a cultural version of MGTOW is not a bad plan. — Eric

This is my goal.

I want to take back the meaning of MGTOW from merely swearing off women & marriage, which was never mentioned in the MGTOW Manifesto

MGTOW is the personal solution already, but also, it is the philosophical defeat of the Dialectical Manipulations we are dealing with, which translates into the political solution for men to follow. I want to bring MGTOW to “Level Two.”

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Eric May 10, 2012 at 21:10

Rob:
Even though I advocate marriage with foreign women, I have a lot of respect for MGTOWs. I don’t think they will be a majority movement, but in the future they will be a significant and respected subculture.

One thing I like about them is that MGTOW is essentially a positive movement. Unlike Game, it actually offers constructive solutions for men. Some MGTOWs are even turning to technology for viable alternatives for women. Also, unlike the Gamecocks, the MGTOWs don’t treat their philosophy like some kind of ‘convert-or-die’ religious crusade. I can talk about foreign marriage on a MGTOW blog, and sometimes have discussions—talk about it on Gamer blog, though, and the attacks come from all sides.

I agree that MGTOW has larger potential social ramifications. That aspect of it will probably appeal to more men than the gender-relations aspect in the long run.

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Ted May 10, 2012 at 22:44

“are the Shared-Parenting people trying to restore that which was before (Father Custody) or are they running to the government to beg them to create something totally new which has never existed before in human history? ”

Father Custody, traditionally, means the father pays all the costs and the mother pays nothing. This might have worked in the days when the father, traditionally, earned all the money and the mother worked in the home and earned no money; but that’s not what we have now. Mothers can earn almost as much as fathers now. This is what has never existed before, and it needs a solution.

Some sort of sharing is needed.

Sharing parenting by time is the usual proposal, but you can imagine others, for example splitting custody by age; the mother has custody of infants; the father takes on the custody later. Or by sex; the mother has the girls, the father has the boys (I started to dislike that one even as I typed it). Or institutions created for the purpose of bringing up kids – Marxists can imagine the state running them, and anti-Marxists can imagine them as dynamic private enterprises. Parents could visit, of course. New situations invite new solutions.

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Oddsock May 10, 2012 at 23:36

Thanks Eric You are a smart and talented guy and explain what I am trying to say much better than I ever could in a thousand posts.

Rob

This is the weird thing. I actually agree with most of what you say it is the constant reference to cultural marxism that gets up my wazoo as I am sure it does with many others. Who feckin cares what political label you give it ? Misandry is misandry is misandry. If you want to try and develop MGTOW to level II then go for it, I am all for it, my point it that we still need to get most men to level I. There is not just a set amount of men that joined the cause and now wander about the net looking for answers it is an ever increasing number and as the societies continue to implode we will see greater and greater amount of newbies, some will arrive in a state of shellshock. They do not want or need to walk into political debates and mini empire builders, their heads have been cabbaged enough.

Anyway. I have said all I can on the matter. Leave you to it. I am returning to lurk position. Its been like having a long discussion with that Britteny bint.

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Rob May 11, 2012 at 00:30

Well, Oddsock,

I have done all I can to explain it to you. This is the result of eight years of being an MRA and searching for solutions.

I have no desire to argue with you about it anymore. I have done all I can.

But please, don’t stick up for those that purposefully undermine me.

I can be as miserable of a mother-fucker, if not more, as the next guy… it’s why I’m still here.

Guys like Boxer can cry me a river. People claiming I am banned from MRM sites all over the place, and posting as MRAwesome sock-puppets can similarly kiss my ass.

I do this for free. I don’t have my hat out asking for money. I do it because I BELIEVE.

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expat May 11, 2012 at 05:29

SE Asia is the place to live. Been living in Vietnam and it is great if you are adventurous.

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keyster May 11, 2012 at 08:10

Otherwise, you end up with corporations more powerful than the government (e.g., the US) or goverments so stifling that economies can’t develop (e.g. North Korea).

Those are probably bad examples when trying to equivocate a free market capitalist democracy and a communist style dictatorship, as BOTH being somehow bad for the respective populace.

North Koreans are starving.
Americans have an obsesity problem.
I could go on…

The thing that’s cool about corporations is that they provide products and services, make money from doing so and employ people. A radical concept I know.

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Migu May 13, 2012 at 08:47

Eric,

Libertarians never claim utopia. They claim only that trying to impose utopia will bring dystopia.

That is it period. The main premise is “Allow people to ruin themselves, and make them pay for it themselves.” They do not say that liberty will be utopia, they say only that the individual will not have to contend with another’s utopia.

Also the Libertarian Party i.e. Cato is anything but liberty. It is just another scheme to grab hold of the reins of power.

The libertarian as another utopist is but a strawman. The libertarian claim is that is more effecient to let an individual work his problems out, than it is to have a central authority work those problems out for him. Nothing more, Nothing less.

You may be interested in the Great Calculation Debate. It boils down to this, no single person or entity can ever have enough information to accurately calculate a political or economic decision for somebody else. Only each individual can make this calculation with any reasonable degree of accuracy.

http://www.la-articles.org.uk/ec.htm

This is fairly accurate summary of the problem. It doesn’t delve too far into the a priori roots, but you can obviously think, so you should be able to trace it back. And you have google.

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Migu May 13, 2012 at 08:48

Forgot to add, the information relaying mechanism in economic calculation is the unadulterated price. i.e. a price absent subsidy or control.

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Auntie Pheminizm May 13, 2012 at 18:01

> “Right now I would put our boys against anyone.”

Er, howzabout the Taliban?

Read former Marine Fred Reed about America’s “fighting capacity.” This, for starters:

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Graham.shtml

We routinely get beaten by “slopes” and “ragheads” and others we mess with and underestimate. Since the draft ended, the services are filled with females and other folks just looking for “jobs.”

As for “cheese -eating surrender monkey,” America would still be a British colony had not the French navy assisted us.

Too many modern military dudes are white-knight chuckleheads, stomping around the world like drunken feminists thinking their missions “pure.” And they are often the first, when home, to want to string up anyone holding differing views…while claiming, of course, to be fighting for America’s freedoms.

Why the hell are we at war with anyone today? We ruined Iraq for what? Because some Saudis attacked us! That’s like China destroying Ireland because some Basque goons blew up a hotel in Beijing.

And Libya? Oh, yeah: we had to bomb that oil-rich country to shitereens because Moammar was not nice. As if the goons that dictate in other countries we support are any better!

We pick on countries that can’t match our technology. Yet Vietnam won after losing some million people. It carried on despite that heavy loss whereas America couldn’t absorb a hit of 3,000 without going bonkers.

Oh, and Russia DID win WWII. Had not it lost 20 million in stopping the Germans, Hitler would have won. Certainly he could have sued for peace. In fact, he didn’t even have to fight the U.S. since Japan sneak-attacked and thereby negated its treaty with Germany.

Lee was the better Civil War general, too. He just lacked the manpower and manufacturing of the North. Had he not used Pickett’s charge he, too, could have sued for peace.

(And why should the Southern states have had to stay in a union against their will when the colonies had dissolved THEIR union with England on similar grounds?)

American’s military jingoism borders on bloviation. Enough of the stomping around the world fighting phantoms when feminists are attacking our core!

There is much that needs tending to internally. Military spending and adventures prevents it from being done. Besides, soon enough India, Russia, and China will rise and surpass us. Do we really want to bully THEM, too?

Oooh-raah!

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