Meet Julia

by W.F. Price on May 4, 2012

As the campaign gains steam, the fight over the female vote has intensified. The Obama campaign has come out with a new infographic designed to gain more female support. It documents the life of a fictional American woman, from childhood to old age, and purports to show how Obama will help her throughout each stage.

Julia is a college grad, businesswoman and mother of one. Apparently, she is a single mother, because she has a son, but at no point is any man in the picture. However, this is not a problem, because so long as Obama is there, she don’t need no stinking husband.

BTW, in one of the slides it is mentioned that “…health care reform [...] lets her stay on her parents’ coverage until she turns 26.” Divorced men should pay close attention. What this means is that child support now extends to the age of 26, and as usual non-custodial parents (fathers) have no choice in the matter. Yes, you’ll be paying a premium until your kids are 26, and the custodial parent (mother) gets to dictate the terms.

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dragnet May 4, 2012 at 16:08

“Divorced men should pay close attention. What this means is that child support now extends to the age of 26, and as usual non-custodial parents (fathers) have no choice in the matter.”

Link?

I’m skeptical…

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TFH May 4, 2012 at 16:11

Dr. Helen’s takedown of how men are destroyed in the process of creating government sluts, is great :

The Men in Julia’s Life :

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/05/04/the-men-in-julias-life/

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TFH May 4, 2012 at 16:13

Divorced men should pay close attention. What this means is that child support now extends to the age of 26

The one indirect positive in this is that it now extends until the ‘child’ is older, which means the child will demand ALL of the money, with none for the mother to use on herself.

A lot of 24-25 year old children will be suing their mothers for the support to go to them directly.

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TFH May 4, 2012 at 16:18

Sadly, if anyone had any doubt about Obama’s re-election, this ‘Life of Julia’ campaign just clinched it for him.

Republicans have no idea how to fight against this, and either go into full grovel/apologize mode, or will respond with something of their own.

A Republican’s politics can best be described as ‘the path of least shaming language’, and there is no way the GOP can oppose this ‘Life of Julia’ meme without a barrage of shaming language from women.

Most women *want* to be government sluts. Republicans underestimate that this is actually female nature.

Ah well…… countries come and go.

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Justinian May 4, 2012 at 16:21

Zachary at 37 doesn’t want to end up like his dad and, after years of facing his own discrimination for the crime of being born male in Obama’s regime, he starts a movement to get revenge on the system that has oppressed him and his father. Civilization is never the same.

“Revenge” is the key word here.

The system is so rigged against men that nonviolent reform is all but impossible.

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Justinian May 4, 2012 at 16:24

Republicans have no idea how to fight against this, and either go into full grovel/apologize mode, or will respond with something of their own.

If they respond at all….if…. its usually in the form of:

“Wouldn’t lower taxes for Julia be better so she can start her own business.”

There will never be any mention about the injustices against men who exiled from family life and forced to subsidize the slut.

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Johnycomelatley May 4, 2012 at 16:24

So a 35 year old man has a child and he’ll be on the hook for a 26 year old when he is 61?

Something definitely wrong with that.

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Carnivore May 4, 2012 at 16:32

Another reason women shouldn’t have the vote.

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John David Galt May 4, 2012 at 16:35

Does that make Julia one of Obama’s “composite girlfriends”?

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Beltain May 4, 2012 at 17:02

I wonder how they will turn this one around so only men have to pay for the insurance. I mean they could add some more to my Ex’s arrears of some 32K she owes me but will never pay.

Of course since she owes that money to a man (me) they don’t go after her but if I owed her they would be dragging me out in cuffs.

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Poochmule May 4, 2012 at 17:05

That would be absurd, child support to the mother till kid is 26 yrs old. All the more incentive for a girl to get some DNA and collect a check.

All the more reason to get a vasectomy and not tell anyone about it.
Man stavery. Fucking disgusting….

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David F. May 4, 2012 at 17:15

I agree that it isn’t clear that a parent could be forced to keep a child on their health care plan–doesn’t this law simply force insurers to offer the option of coverage?

I found the infographic very blunt in its portrayal of the ideal “citizen.” “Julia” has no parents, no relatives, and no husband (she evidently reproduces asexually). The State takes the place of all real, mutually dependent human relationships.

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TFH May 4, 2012 at 17:18

The State takes the place of all real, mutually dependent human relationships.

Yes, and the state can be the most oppressive master of all.

Once the state makes women fully dependent on government and unable to envision anything else, the state can proceed to quietly and incrementally trim back benefits without risking the loss of female votes.

Government sluts could see the state slowly pare back benefits by 80% without women even figuring out that they are the frog being boiled… and that is what they deserve.

As Mark Steyn says, large government creates small citizens.

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TFH May 4, 2012 at 17:24

Time magazine says that the freebies given to Julia by the state are not enough :

http://swampland.time.com/2012/05/03/voters-beware-what-the-obama-campaign-doesnt-tell-julia/

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AfOR May 4, 2012 at 17:26

I warned every yank I knew prior to the elections in question that Obama was quite obviously nothing more than a black Tony Blair, and as such the worst possible candidate for prez.

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piercedhead May 4, 2012 at 17:31

When a man marries without caring what sort of wife he gets, and tries to meet her every demand, she will likely destroy him eventually.

When a man goes out of his way to marry all women who will have him, on the promise he will give them everything, he will definitely be destroyed by all of them, and quickly. That is Obama’s fate.

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Raj May 4, 2012 at 17:34

Actually this is nothing.

Even if a new law was passed that made having sex with a woman just once punishable by life long chattel slavery, overwhelming majority of men would still be engage in it and others would be happy to enforce it. Such is reality.

TFH May 4, 2012 at 17:18
Yes, and the state can be the most oppressive master of all.

The state is just other people. Nothing exotic. People love oppressing and getting oppressed.

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keyster May 4, 2012 at 17:34

Republicans have no idea how to fight against this, and either go into full grovel/apologize mode, or will respond with something of their own.

They had some great replies to it, but if you get your news from mainstream media sources you would have never known. Without talk radio or FNC, conservative voices would not be heard.

Whoever is calling the shots on Obama’s campaign strategy so far is an idiot. It’s almost as if they want him to lose. He keeps pandering to his whithering base when he should be making at least gratutious shifts to the center to appease independents. Just goes to show how much ideological hubris he’s made of.

When he looks at America, he sees Scandinavia.

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Paradoxotaur May 4, 2012 at 17:37

@TFH: “Republicans have no idea how to fight against this, and either go into full grovel/apologize mode, or will respond with something of their own.”

Well, Dr. Helen seems to have some idea, as does Michelle Malkin in her recent column, and I will be very surprised if Ann Coulter doesn’t rip into Julia, too. But as far as republican men go- you are correct. They are clueless on how to fight this, and too chicken-**** to speak the truth, so they double-down on supplication.

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Paradoxotaur May 4, 2012 at 17:42

@AfOR: “I warned every yank I knew prior to the elections in question that Obama was quite obviously nothing more than a black Tony Blair.”

Well, since the media labeled Zimmerman a “white Hispanic”, I suppose that would make Obama nothing more than a white African Tony Blair, since they both Zimmerman and Obama had white mothers and Hispanic/African fathers, respectively.

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Jabberwocky May 4, 2012 at 18:15

http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2011/08/10/men-living-longer-women-and-minorities-hardest-hit/

Hat tip to TFH for his article link which had this one embedded. Great stuff.

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TFH May 4, 2012 at 18:30

Jabberwocky,

Oh, that article is also a crucial piece in my own article about Boomer women wanting Boomer men to die early.

They will say this more and more openly now – for SS and Medicare to survive, women have to go from using 70-80% of the benefits to 100%, meaning men need to die early without using up the benefits (even if they paid into it more than women).

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Craig Himself May 4, 2012 at 18:34

“What this means is that child support now extends to the age of 26.”

Woo! Excellent catch! Thanks!

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keyster May 4, 2012 at 19:00

“..since they both Zimmerman and Obama had white mothers and Hispanic/African fathers, respectively.”

Zimmerman’s father is jewish, hence the name “Zimmerman”.

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Anonymous May 4, 2012 at 19:14

about the suing mom for child support paid by dad, i think this is a waste because the money will then be funneled to lawyers and the gov. Adding another 8 years to more legal bills. Big waste of dads money

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Jim May 4, 2012 at 19:28

Thanks for covering this julia thing by obama. I heard about this today for the first time….and I of course was disgusted.

It’s just unreal how badly Men are treated and totally neglected by the media and our government.

Birth to death females already have a huge advantage over males to begin with.

And obama has 90%+ of the mainstream media in his pocket.

Here is a video you might like of oprah telling all of her brain dead viewers that they don’t “need a man” and that the government should take care of everything a woman needs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRXIUSWSjvU

Watch at about 40 seconds in to see the “don’t need a man” part.

I have noticed on this site and on other MRA sites that more and more women seem to be popping up and some are there because they see the damage that has been done to their sons and husbands.

The issues the MRA movement focuses on are all real and have facts to back them up. This isn’t some scam with inflated bogus numbers or claims that can not be verified.

I grew up having to rely on the media to misinform me about nearly everything. And when I finally got on-line and got to read about some Men’s issues it was such a huge eye opener for me. I have learned so much.

Everyone needs to see the info posted on here and other sites and channels. No rational thinking person could not see how bad things are for Men and that they need to change…NOW.

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Avenger May 4, 2012 at 19:37

Oh, that article is also a crucial piece in my own article about Boomer women wanting Boomer men to die early.

All that means is that you won’t be inheriting anything haha

And btw, the Boomers had a greater life expectancy than the Gen X or Y’s who will have a shorter life expectancy. It seems that life expectancy AND IQ have gone down in the past generation.

http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/mar2005/nia-16.htm

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Uncle Elmer May 4, 2012 at 19:58

Lighten up people. The prediction of a successful career as a “web designer” is totally credible. It’s not something people can just do themselves by getting some kind of “web hosting”. It’s complicated stuff.

However, I expected a slide regarding her long-time female companion and co-equal partner, so when a child suddenly appeared in her life it was a little confusing.

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MZT May 4, 2012 at 20:30

That’s a darn fine piece of propaganda….the Republicans are really going to struggle to get the female vote this election…and if they attempt to over compensate, it may alienate their male vote base….tough situation.

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Gilgamesh May 4, 2012 at 21:21

Republicans would be struggling to get the female vote regardless.

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Eric May 4, 2012 at 21:25

Price:
‘A father will be on the hook for child support until his kids are 26′

This brings up an important point. Concomitant with the rise in Feminism has been this movement to push the so-called ‘age of majority’ further and further back. I’ve heard more than one socon pundit advocate that ‘Age of Consent’ be raised as high as 25.

Younger friends of mine don’t believe me when I tell them that, when I graduated from high school (1987), three of the girls in my class were already married. I could go to bars, buy cigarettes, get a job; and nobody dared ask for things like Identification Papers. The recent memory of Naziism and Communism were still too strong in people’s minds then.

Like a silent coup, this has changed since the 90s, when Feminism was in the ascendant. Feminism and the idea of ridiculously extended childhoods has always gone together hand-in-hand. This is not surprising, since both spring from Marxism which encourages child-like dependence on the surrogate parenthood of the State. Feminists, too, don’t want competition from younger women, so it’s likewise in their interests to keep them socially classified as ‘children’ for as long as possible.

The Socons have bought into the same line of reasoning, except they color it with their pedestalisation of women and their idolatry of romanticized ‘family values’. Witness some of their attempts to ban things like pornography and alcohol from the military, for example. They preach things like personal responsibility but want to repress any possibility of expressing it—all in the name of ‘protecting childhood innocence’; a childhood which, by their definition, extends to after college or military service is completed.

There are actual scientific definitions of when childhood ends—it’s called puberty. Granted there is a brief transitional stage of adolescence when a person’s biological and psychological states seek equilibrium. But adolescence is a transitional period to adulthood—certainly not decade or more in length in any normal society—and certainly is not a mere ‘extension of childhood’. To see it in those terms retards, prevents, or regresses the progress to maturation.

But a society perpetually frozen at a mental age of 12-14 years is exactly what the elites in both parties (and their Corporate wire-pullers) really desire. Economically dependent, morally uncertain, easily manipulated, egocentric—who could ask for a more manageable populace?

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Huck Finn May 4, 2012 at 21:29

Today, in a coffee shop, the woman owner was chatting with two friends who stopped in; a woman and her boyfriend. Notice I refer to them as adult and boy since the woman was dynamic and the guy a dead bump on a log. The owner commented that all the men in the city must have vaginas since they are too scared to ask women out. I called out that is because women have grown dicks. Her cordial reply was that women had too grow dicks. Most women are brainwashed and just don’t get it. I didn’t have the time, energy, or motivation to try and educate her so I let it go.

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Al Thompson May 4, 2012 at 21:44

I honestly don’t see what all of you are worried about, since both Democraps and Republishits are socialists. Mitt the Magic Underwear has no chance of “winning” assuming the Spanish company screws up the counting of the “ballots.” The whole process is basically socialist and it is a complete failure. I see no reason to worry about a solution using a political system that is completely dysfunctional. Really, what’s the difference between one socialist to the other? Both are losers because they are socialists.
http://verydumbgovernment.blogspot.com/2012/05/money-talks.html

It’s time people learn to stop feeding the beast.

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Hf May 4, 2012 at 22:24

@Al

I agree. The problem is, the beast is, in this case, a parasite. And, it is so far engorged that to merely stop feeding it will have little or no effect. In fact, Im of the opinion that to stop feeding it will only prolong its existence. There needs to be a new tact i think. One in which we keep stuffing it, bloat it so much that it cant sustain its own weight and implodes under the strain.

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bruno May 5, 2012 at 01:41

Assuming that voting will ever change anything, men should learn to stop voting with the common good in mind, and start voting with only their own interests in mind, just like women do.

The problem is: not any candidate in any election is supporter of men’s rights, while ALL of them are openly supporters of women’s privileges.

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bruno May 5, 2012 at 01:54

“It’s time people learn to stop feeding the beast.”

The only way to stop feeding the beast is to stop being a man, and BE LIKE A WOMAN:

- never do any heavy work: let somebody else do it
- get married only when it will make you a big financial profit (so that means: never)
- regain control over your reproduction: get a vasectomy
- never stick your neck out for anything: just stay quiet, calculating for your own profit, and let others take the risks

If men learn to act like women, it will be a catastrophe for society, but there’s no other rational choice for men in this Femi-dictatorship

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greyghost May 5, 2012 at 03:49

sounds like MGTOW to me bruno. Looks like those guys had this covered

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Ode May 5, 2012 at 03:59

Bruno says
- regain control over your reproduction: get a vasectomy

There are easier ways. I recommend putting hot sauce in a used condom after sex. That way if the sneaky female tries to impregnate herself with the semen she’s going to get a hot and spicey surprise in the cooch!

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greyghost May 5, 2012 at 04:01

Some of the stories here are amazing and show how to live low but well and not add to the system.
http://cheaprvliving.com
An article like this shows anoyjer reason fo a male birth control pill. I think we are at the piont of dicussing actions to take moving beyong discussing what the problem is. If you think they call of whiners and losers now wait until we start discussing real action to end this. With CS to 26 BTW a man that marries at 30 to 35 and has his last child past 40 will never have the ability to retire. He has nothing to lose. I see 100% garnishmen of disability and SS to child support coming to 60 plus year old men.

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Jimbo May 5, 2012 at 04:51

Up above Carnivore made note that women shouldn’t have the vote. Recently another poster stated that “If you repealed the 19th Amendment tomorrow, everything would self-correct in forty years.”
It’s time to stand up and say that the 19th has been akin to the opening of Pandora’s box of evils. First, it sanctifies the belief that the sexes are equal instead of different. Attempting to build a society or relationships on a delusion is one definition of insanity and is a reason insanity is the result. Second, the 19th sanctifies the belief that authority must be equally shared between the sexes. There is no such thing as equally shared authority. What the goal actually brings is anarchy and a destructive fight fight by women for authority over men because she sure as hell isn’t going to let “him” have it over her. And, as women’s input increases into every avenue of life, their cumulative illogic has ever higher costs. What you get are very dysgenic trends, as women become knowitall sluts and bitches, and men who tire of knowitall sluts and bitches become dropouts of society or bastards and sons of bitches. The 19th… The the belief in the hypotheses that the sexes are equal… That is the beginning of a spiral that leads to misery, degeneration and death.

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Flybynight May 5, 2012 at 05:06

Republicans can not fight this. Look the average voter does not want to spend the time or have the inclination to look behind the curtain and under the bushes for the truth. Nor do they want the truth.. easier to just to live in your comfy hamster world. Half the population can barely read anyway so whats the point.

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Rod May 5, 2012 at 05:47

There’s a good point-by-point refutation of the Obama ad at:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/03/Obama-Campaign-Women-Are-Helpless

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Oddsock May 5, 2012 at 06:25

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Brigadon May 5, 2012 at 06:44

Actually I agree with Max Kaiser. There’s going to be violence. a lot of it. I am ready, And a lot more people are ready. I have been saying for years that things had to keep getting worse before people finally recognize what is going on. I think it’s just about been nudged far enough into ‘worse’ for men to start taking their masculine perogatives of violence.

But, unlike all wars in the past, This time being female is unlikely to protect you.

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Hisoj May 5, 2012 at 07:47

has obama ever met a spending program he didn’t approve of?

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Avenger May 5, 2012 at 08:07

They will say this more and more openly now – for SS and Medicare to survive, women have to go from using 70-80% of the benefits to 100%, meaning men need to die early without using up the benefits

blah blah blah who cares? Do you think that wealthy boomer men care about that $12k or so a year from SS?Or are living on such a tiny sum? I hope that SS does go bankrupt. You Gen Y geeks had better be saving your money for your old age. You may want to start by getting a job and stop bullshitting on the Net all day.

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Avenger May 5, 2012 at 08:12

P.S. And I suggest that you start planning now and stop relying on the government for some paltry sum or you’ll end up like Don Doofus living in some crappy backwater Mexican village with a 60 something “hot” wife. :)

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keyster May 5, 2012 at 08:39

I honestly don’t see what all of you are worried about, since both Democraps and Republishits are socialists.

It wasn’t always like that.
Democrats have been pulling Republicans to the left for decades. How do you contend with an ideology that owns academia and the mass media – and eventually the culture? The Populist/Class Warfare Narrative is….popular among the indocrinated, uneducated and ill-informed.

The “compassionate conservative” was a shift to the left to demonstrate that Republicans were not heartless and uncaring – – to pull left independents into the voting booth for them. The teed up Obama’s further shift to the left perfectly.

The Democrat scheme is to divide the country into identifiable groups and promise each group favors particular to that group. It’s a mass conglomeration of “poor”, women, minorities, unions, gays and the guilty whites that fantasize about an egalitarian utopia of “fairness” for all.

The Republican’s target base, other than evangelicals, is a mass of individuals who refuse to identify with any victim class. It’s a base that still likes America the way it is (or was) as the founding fathers intended.

Progressives want to “progress” past pesky things like the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They believe government is the solution to everything, and the bigger the better. Conservatives have to keep fighting this (the party of “NO”) every step of the way.

This is the battle for two different visions of America we’re in right now.
Democrats/Liberals have been chipping away at liberty and freedom, the concept of individual responsibility and self-reliance, to be replaced by government enforced “social justice”, “fairness” and equality.

That the most important election in our history is going to come down to several counties in a few states is what’s truly fightening.

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Uncle Elmer May 5, 2012 at 08:58

Men are wise to avoid workplace females for the simple reason that they are competition bristling with a fluid set of rules and contrivances to grant them advantage no matter the context, and furthermore simply cannot provide men with any tangible opportunities. While fellow men will shank and kneecap their comrades with impunity, a small percentage of them, through the manly art of teaming and pecking orders, establish the critical mass through which opportunity arises. The numbers of females who can do this are noise in the sample and thus better off ignored.

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The First Joe May 5, 2012 at 09:04

Julia was the name of the woman in “1984″ that Winston Smith had a love affair with – which led to his, and her destruction by The Party / Big Brother.

Apparently the Obama campaign is assuming the majority in the US are illiterate fools.

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MRA May 5, 2012 at 09:08

One of the slideshow says Julia is a web designer, lol, of course they didn’t say gender study because you don’t get a job outside the feminism field, no she is a web designer, you know STEM, where women are so darn superior and are the…..hoo wait, Does Obama know he wont be president in the entire Julia’ live I mean, from childhood to 67 that is 70 years, Obama cant run the next election, Mitt does or whoever republican can get.

Obama’s Facebook was full of comments pointing out how women can live solely on the gov.

Now they want to extend Title IX into STEM too, so force STEM to accept some % of women over men.

Search on Google “stem male dominated” and look who are the first links

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greyghost May 5, 2012 at 09:14

You know keyster maybe we should just do something a little different. If the So called consevatives are being pulled left why not pull them MRA. Red pill them. Find a 100 or so christian sites,same thing with conservative sites and leave lots of comments and links to mens sites. I been really active at times on Yahoo news articles and commenting from our point of view and have gotten a few replies and thumbs up. I also have the holy grail of having a skank refer to me as a “bitter loser” (I am most proud of that)
The thing is to get it viral and have some big name large audience type do a story and at least seriously discuss the ideas. Limbaugh, Mark Levin or maybe the biggest white knighting mangina of all Sean Hannity. A lot of men are thinking it but are just isolated from talking about it and hearing it from other men or just publicly.

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keyster May 5, 2012 at 10:03

@greyghost

Most conservative pundits, especially El Rushbo regularily skewers feminsts and feminism. Rush calls the women of NOW “the NAGS”. He absolutely rules the ratings of talk radio with about 6 million listeners per day. No one else is even close. (O’Reilly is the highest rated TV show on all cable news and gets about 3 million viewers per night.)

Laura Ingraham is also brutal against feminism. She just had an equal pay debate on her radio show among two women and the “SoCon” woman (from the Manhattan Insitute), tore the feminist to shreds with data. Her follow up was pitch perfect AGAINST the feminist victim class.

Assuming conservatives are a bunch of stuffy white-knight evangelicals is buying into the liberal characterization of the right wing. If you don’t bother to listen to what they’re saying you’d never know this.

Find out where Rush Limbaugh is in your area or listen on the internet. I guarantee you an earful of feminist counter theory — not vis a vis men mind you, but as a part of the entire liberal spectrum.

Here’s Rush regarding “Life of Julia”:

http://nation.foxnews.com/julia/2012/05/03/rush-tears-apart-obamas-life-julia

Listen, learn.

Neither side will accept “men’s rights”.
Individual rights is the only viable path.

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joeb May 5, 2012 at 11:12

Step 7- Julia Marries a soldier Has one kid
Step 8 -Julia files with courts ,while Male fight for freedom.
step 9 – American veteran commits Crimes after Corrupt Courts Double his support .
Step 10 -We all lose .
True Story !

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pb May 5, 2012 at 11:23

“Laura Ingraham is also brutal against feminism.”

Didn’t she adopt a kid and become a single mom? Some conservative.

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keyster May 5, 2012 at 12:00

“Laura Ingraham is also brutal against feminism.”
Didn’t she adopt a kid and become a single mom? Some conservative.

Ahhh yes, the ad hominem diversion tactic.
She adopted a kid so she must not be a conservative…right.
Her personal life is irrelevant, unless of course you find yourself losing the debate.

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alpha May 5, 2012 at 12:05

Off Topic,
but I wonder if anyone has visited the fb pages/groups related to MRM/MGTOW/Anti-feminism?
are they any good?

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pb May 5, 2012 at 12:32

“Ahhh yes, the ad hominem diversion tactic.
She adopted a kid so she must not be a conservative…right.
Her personal life is irrelevant, unless of course you find yourself losing the debate.”

It’s completely relevant when it comes to where she stands on moral/family/marriage/child-raising issues, and notice it wasn’t a direct critique of her position but her credentials as a “conservative” so it’s not an example of the ad hom fallacy.

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Eric May 5, 2012 at 12:49

Keyster:
‘It wasn’t always like that…the Democrats have been pulling the Republicans steadily to the Left.’

The real struggle has been waged on an ideological level at the top. The shift has been whether or not the Government is an associated trust that governs for the good of the nation and is itself bound by Constitutional limits; or whether it exists to serve the needs of interest groups powerful enough to dictate its course for their own benefit.

Both parties are totally subservient to interest groups—these interest groups are also wholly-owned by more powerful interest groups. It doesn’t make any difference to these groups whether liberals or conservatives are nominally in power, since the real power is on Wall Street, and the candidates are nothing more than corporate franchises.

People have grown to distrust the parties, so Wall Street is now seeing them both as expendable; so they’ve financed fake ‘opposition’ groups like the Tea Party (right) and the Occupiers (left) to keep everyone’s attention diverted. Both these ‘movements’ will probably replace both parties in the future, just like the ‘Citizens United’ decision was a cost-cutting measure on account of the growing expense of lobbyists.

Most voters believe themselves educated, but their education comes from the mass media (corporate-owned); academia (corporate subsidized); and think-tanks (corporate-owned). Elections are really only held to give the people some illusion of actually having power.

What our culture needs worse than anything is ‘de-politicalization’. Our Founding Fathers wanted limited government because they understood that the more the State and Society became intertwined, the less liberty either the State or Society would have. Right now, the State has no freedom of action without the permission of interest groups, and the Citizen has no freedom of action unless it’s within the confines of ‘political correctness’.

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Eric May 5, 2012 at 12:53

Keyster:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t Limbaugh often said that ‘women have all the power in relationships?’

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Andrew S. May 5, 2012 at 13:30

Keyster, good point about how “neither side will ever accept men’s rights.”

I identify with a lot of what MRA’s stand for, and believe a lot of them are fighting the good fight. But most of it is basically pointless. And as you seem to be saying, the majority of people will never give a shit about men, or at least no way close to the way women are cared and loved for .

Agreed that the best men can hope for is that one day the government will have a reduced role in our society.

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Anonymous age 70 May 5, 2012 at 13:47

>>Avenger May 5, 2012 at 08:12

>> P.S. And I suggest that you start planning now and stop relying on the government for some paltry sum or you’ll end up like Don Doofus living in some crappy backwater Mexican village with a 60 something “hot” wife. :)

There are extreme advantages of living in a crappy backwater Mexican village, idiot. One of the big ones is you are not there.

Like most racist, ignorant people, you have no idea life can be good in a crappy backwater village.

It is also neat to contemplate the fact that you will be 60 someday and it is unlikely you will be as attractive as my old wife is..

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Miserman (formally MWPeak) May 5, 2012 at 13:53

Republicans will have a hard time responding to this because their message to liberated women is the same to men: “Have faith (for the religious man), work hard, manage your affairs wisely, take risks, minimize debt and avoid if all possible dependency on handouts. Take responsibility for your choices and boldly handle whatever consequences come your way. Life is uncertain and filled with dangers, but freedom is the reward.”

Under Obama’s Julia plan, the message is: “Live free and explore life however you want and we’ll take care of any risks, uncertainties and consequences you may encounter. We’ll keep you safe.”

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Norm May 5, 2012 at 14:15

“Julia” is probably getting her birth control pills paid for by the US taxpayers and there is a good chance she has an STD and taxpayers will be on the hook for that. Not to mention the crimes her little Damien will commit and possible incarceration.

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joeb May 5, 2012 at 14:49

Julia starts smoking government crack and the Child and up with the Grandparents . The only winner Uncle Sam .

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Jim May 5, 2012 at 14:53

TFH

Thanks for posting the Dr. Helen article.

I was laughing so hard at that…the sad part is is so true!

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Avenger May 5, 2012 at 15:33

There are extreme advantages of living in a crappy backwater Mexican village, idiot. One of the big ones is you are not there.

Sure.Losers can survive there on their US SS cheques. The reason that these places are so cheap is because no one wants to live there. You could have retired to Spain but apparently you couldn’t afford that and besides a dopey unsophisticated geezer like you wouldn’t fit in. You’re fine where you are and it’s where you belong in the hierarchy and where you can be Don Doofus. They were short a village idiot anyway.It’s so nice living there that you spend most of your time bullshitting on the internet and crying about how you were not appreciated 30 years when you tried to sell your snake oil to other losers like yourself.

Like most racist, ignorant people, you have no idea life can be good in a crappy backwater village.

I have no idea what you could possibly do there that you couldn’t do in a more sophisticated place.
The Romans used to punish men by making them live isolated in some peasant village.

It is also neat to contemplate the fact that you will be 60 someday and it is unlikely you will be as attractive as my old wife is..

Sure, I bet she’s hawt lol

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Avenger May 5, 2012 at 15:38

So THC, how’s that toilet bowl poster campaign going?

How that “game” working for you? Did you learn that game from that hairy little monkey, Rosie? And just remember that you’re a pipqueak who was too afaid to accept an expense free pua challange.

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Avenger May 5, 2012 at 15:44

Avenger is already around 65 years old! That is the damning part. He lives alone too, according to Charles Martel (I believe it).

You must be stoopid to believe everything you read. But then you’re a young punk who can’t get laid and spends his time playing video games, bitching about how females reject him and how he’s going to expat like Don Doofus and find himself a hot foreign babe who will do his bidding. Kid, those foreign are looking for real men of substance not some poor, uneducated little boys. If you’re a blue collar loser in the US you’ll be an even bigger loser in Europe.

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Avenger May 5, 2012 at 16:00

The pipsqueak THC writes, ‘In reality, I own my own firm, and am quite wealthy’

Then you should have paid your own way like a gentleman when I challanged you. But all you did was start counting up the pennies like a little peasant and demanding how much I should pay you. You’re blue collar kid.
And then you were too scared to even give me your name so I could buy the plane ticket.
You’re a low class litle wimp ho wets his pants every time he puts up a toilet poster for fear than someone may know it’s him. LOSER!

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Avenger May 5, 2012 at 16:06

Yawn…… it wasn’t a PUA challenge, it was a pathetic attempt to get me to reveal my identity, so that you could report me to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

This proves that THC is deluded. Hey kid, no one gives a rat’s arse about a nobody like you. Having delusion of grandeur again? lol
Then you should have paid you own way as a gentleman would. I even offered to put you up for 2 days.
And btw, take a look at Don Doofus because that is your future.

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Avenger May 5, 2012 at 16:15

Projecting his own life failure onto others…..He really doesn’t like anyone pointing out that Boomers are in fiscal trouble (even though boomer women are in much worse trouble than boomer men). In reality, he is extremely worried.

Apparently this 17 yo punk never learned to read properly and like his old buddy dyslexic Don Doofus reverses words and ideas.
The Boomers have all of the money kid and will be able to live well until they die. Don’t use Don Doofus living in some peasant village as an example. His sort of loser was always around.

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keyster May 5, 2012 at 16:17

Keyster:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t Limbaugh often said that ‘women have all the power in relationships?’

I’m not sure he said that, but if he did he’d be right. Not literally all the power, but the majority of it.

And I agree we need less and less and less government. It’s a constant struggle in a democracy, or at least this one. When the insurrection hits; (no one will loan the USA money anymore and millions of unemployed government workers are out on the street rioting, and government services are downsized to bare necessities) – – we’ll see a major attitude adjustment take place regarding the female’s approach to men.

It will be palpable. As Welmer once alluded there are already some women prophetically sensing the coming decline of the country and thus the Age of Woman.

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Avenger May 5, 2012 at 16:20

Hey stoopid, this is a minor nothing thing that only a loser like yourself blew out of proportion.

Your ‘challenge’ was so full of logical holes, and required me to give up my anonymity to a hostile party. In fact, you should describe it again so people can see what mental illness looks like.

Go find the thread dummy. And unless you can explain how you can board a plane with a ticket in my name perhaps you should just shutup because you look like a fool who has never gone anywhere.

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Avenger May 5, 2012 at 16:28

THC

Yeah…. I am going to entire into a binding financial agreement with a hostile party that cannot even get a three-letter name right.

Hey stoopid, you’re not going into any agreement. You’re getting stuff FREE. When you lose the pua challange you won’t owe me anything so it is I paying the costs and taking the chance that you’ll even show up. A loser like you is liable to cash in the ticket which means that I lose but you too afraid to even accept a free ticket.

Now buzz offf snotnose because I’m finished with you. Talk to the other losers on here because my experiment is finished.

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fmz May 5, 2012 at 16:30

Its not for men to fight da wimminz. They made their mess, they can clean it up and hack away at each other doing so. l made a nice space for my self. Keeping it clean starts with not letting them in to have their shiat fights.

GYOW.

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Eric May 5, 2012 at 16:45

Keyster:
I agree with a lot of what you say, except about the insurrection part. If we have an insurrection, it will probably be an orchestrated one, where some appartchik of Corporatoria will pose as a ‘populist leader’, get a lot of support from media and academia (so that the people will think ‘it’s OK to listen to him’). Then he’ll sweep into power with his proletarian army, set himself up as a strong-man (to restore order, of course).

Afterwards, he’ll shoot off all the true believers and useful idiots; reward the proles with free bread and circuses, nationalise the economy (for economic security, of course)—which naturally will be headed by the smart boys and wise guys on Wall Street. IOW, it will play out just like a hostile takover on the stock exchange, except it will be a government instead of a rival corporation that’s taken out.

The game-plan is already being tried experimentally in Egypt and Libya.

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Gilgamesh May 5, 2012 at 16:51

Look at a-denture’s “Loser! Loser! LOOOOSER!” rhetoric. Sounds like a bitter lesbian with nothing to say doesn’t he?

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Gilgamesh May 5, 2012 at 16:53

Eric: So what does that leave us with?

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Jabberwocky May 5, 2012 at 17:58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBgcjtE0xrE&feature=g-all-lik

There is a lot of good MRA stuff on Youtube now and days. This women looks like a angry feminist, but she argues in a nuanced way for our side.

Check out all the new Warren Farrell videos as well.

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Jabberwocky May 5, 2012 at 18:03

At 14 minutes in, she’s getting really good. She knows her evo-psych.

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Eric May 5, 2012 at 18:25

Jabberwocky:
Feminists make the best argument for the MRM just by opening their pie-holes! LOL

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Gilgamesh May 5, 2012 at 21:46

@Eric: “Feminists make the best argument for the MRM just by opening their pie-holes! LOL” You’d think so, but there seems to be a neverending supply of manginas who will believe (or pretend to believe) and upside-down fiction that comes out of a woman’s mouth.

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Eric May 5, 2012 at 23:34

pb:
The only other female radio commentator who brags about adopting a kid and being a single mother is the very-feminist ‘progressive’ Nicole Sandler.

I used to be on another blog that was packed with ‘socon’ women. The only difference between them and the liberal feminists is that socons wear dresses and use makeup. Their attitudes towards men was just as demeaning and their opinions of themselves just as highly inflated as their more politically liberal sisters. Socons hate men in a condescending, patronizing way while liberal feminists don’t disguise their hatred.

I’m sure if you asked Laura Ingraham whether she thought that she needed a man or not—you know what the answer would be. The fact that’s well into her 40s, unmarried, and chose to be a single mom is self-explanatory. I’ve also read that she’s quite a roaring drunk as well with a lot of gay friends.

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Oddsock May 6, 2012 at 04:38

For all the new trolls. Welcome to the Spearhead.

The end of suffering meditation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMab_lYY5lE

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Rmaxd May 6, 2012 at 04:44

So who’s the genius with the vote bot …

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Oddsock May 6, 2012 at 04:59

Rmaxd

Fret ye not, tis but standard for all male friendly websites. Its but one of the many tactics they use to try and cause upset on a given website. They have been doing it for years. Sometimes it can be one or two people creating sock puppets to cast votes or to try and cause flame wars with posts containing bizarre insults directed at all or one of the members. Especially strange as one or two of these trolls can appear very supportive of men and then something will trigger an outburst. They usually can’t contain their anger for any length of time. A perfect example is avenger.

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Rmaxd May 6, 2012 at 06:57

Somebody shld tell these trolls, they shld at least be entertaining …

A bit like Firepower moms twirling moustache of doom … I hear she ties men to rail tracks & runs around cackling maniacly in black & white on fox news …

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Anonymous May 6, 2012 at 08:17

@Rmaxd

“So who’s the genius with the vote bot …”

My money is on Avenger. Strangely (or, not strangely), his comments have high enough up-votes to keep them from being hidden, when we all none of us have up-voted him (her?).

But, I dont think its truly a “vote bot” though. Clearing cookies, utilizing different browsers and different devices are all ways to add new votes.

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Hf May 6, 2012 at 08:18

@Rmaxd

“So who’s the genius with the vote bot …”

My money is on Avenger. Strangely (or, not strangely), his comments have high enough up-votes to keep them from being hidden, when we all none of us have up-voted him (her?).

But, I dont think its truly a “vote bot” though. Clearing cookies, utilizing different browsers and different devices are all ways to add new votes.

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keyster May 6, 2012 at 09:47

The game-plan is already being tried experimentally in Egypt and Libya.

Those are theocratic in nature, not even a close comparison.
And what you’re talking about is AFTER the insurrection, when a popular charismatic leader with a strong military backing steps in to fill the vaccum and tries to hold the union together.

Encorpera has less influence than you think, as they’re global interests, not as much national anymore. Note the disconnect between the US economy and the DOW.

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Boxer May 6, 2012 at 09:59

Dear Boxer, Next, A-denture will say that you and I are the same person. This will be the second example of such a person we have seen this week.

Right. Rob/Jeb/Fedrz is at least ill in the head. Avenger has no excuse for being such a wanton *loser*.

So who’s the genius with the vote bot …

Rob/Jeb/Fedrz and Avenger both hack the voting system here. They think it means something. LOL!

Regards, Boxer

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keyster May 6, 2012 at 10:20

I’m sure if you asked Laura Ingraham whether she thought that she needed a man or not—you know what the answer would be. The fact that’s well into her 40s, unmarried, and chose to be a single mom is self-explanatory. I’ve also read that she’s quite a roaring drunk as well with a lot of gay friends.

I couldn’t care less about how she conducts her private life. All I know is she regularily criticizes and ridicules feminists. That’s all that should matter. Read “Of Thee I Zing”.

This is why the MRM has always had a “failure to launch” problem IMHO. Participants are always seeking to find something wrong with somebody; especially if they’re right-wing and/or female. It’s as if they almost WANT to undermine the slightest hint of progress, and remain right where they are…trading barbs on blogs.

ALL social movements seek to change cultural perceptions that eventually become political. As long as the MRM remains staunchly apolitical, it will stay right where it’s at – on the fringe.

The Party of Women wants hard working men to keep feeding the beast. The party of individual responsibility and self-reliance doesn’t.

You cannot be a big government/social justice/class warfare/anti-free market/captitalism person,….expect for the feminist part. You can’t compartmentalize liberalism from Marxist/Feminism – – ObamaCare, govt paid abortion/contraceptives/daycare, VAWA, equal pay legislation, affirmative action, dear collegue letter, the Whitehouse Council on Women and Girls, etc. and so on. But fear not, some erstwhile “SoCon” hating MRA will find something obscure somewhere that a conservative did (especially if its personal) to justify their overall worldview vis a vis feminism.

Side note: Did you know there are less males participating the the work force today than ever in the hisotry of the US, since they began keeping labor statistics in 1948? Something is happeing and no one can figure out what it is? WE KNOW here…….if they’d only listen.

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Gilgamesh May 6, 2012 at 12:39

The kind of faggots who would only take a group seriously if it had a large number of women are the ones who would ignore our message even if it come from a woman’s mouth. Keep reaching out to men instead.

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Eric May 6, 2012 at 13:50

The First Joe,
‘Julia was the name of the woman in Orwell’s 1984′

LOL—I can’t help but notice the similarity in the names ‘Obama’ and ‘O’Brien’.

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Eric May 6, 2012 at 13:55

Keyster:
‘Note the disconnect between the US economy and the Dow.’

Like the TARP? Or the fact that numerous Wall Street firms are government contractors? Or that commodity and currency speculation can cause inflation or deflation in the US economy at will? Or that hedge funds are taking over state pension programs?

That’s the problem: the US economy is TOO dependent on the Dow. If I had been in Obama’s place in 2008, I would have closed down the Dow as a criminal enterprise.

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JeremiahMRA May 6, 2012 at 14:06

Leftists and women are enemies to men’s rights. The only people who can solve these problems are men, and by men I mean MEN not manginas, white knights, Leftists, or women.

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Eric May 6, 2012 at 14:06

Keyster:
‘…after the insurrection where a popular charismatic leader with military backing steps in and tries to hold the union together.’

That’s exactly what happened in Egypt and Libya. Mubarak and Qaddafi needed to be removed so those globalist economic interests could move in with their own people. The Egyptian military leaders are totally owned by Wall Street—they even recently banned four candidates whom their masters in NY didn’t approve of. Same with Libya. The so-called ‘opposition leader’ there has been on the CIA payroll since the 1980s. Even then, he couldn’t muster enough internal opposition against Qaddafi without the help of NATO, Blackwater, and ex-AlQaeda mercenaries.

IOW, these Corporatist interests own the military, just like they own the courts, media, schools, police, &c. They overthrow entire governments who stand in their way, and ours won’t be any different once they consider it expendable.

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Eric May 6, 2012 at 14:26

Rmaxd.
‘That’s what they said about the Game and PUA movements…without a single female leader.”

Why do they need female leaders when they both are about accepting feminism, rewarding women with sex, and lowering men to feminised women’s levels to get what men want?

Women are taking the MRM seriously, note all their whining about how good men are abandoning them; the recent troll attack on this forum; and the skyrocketing male pursuit of foreign women, for examples. The more that they’re avoided and marginalized, the more they’ll be taught that feminism doesn’t work and have some incentive for change. If they don’t change, we don’t need them. But nothing will change if men keep enabling them with things like Game and PUA.

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TFH May 6, 2012 at 14:41

Boxer,

Rob/Jeb/Fedrz and Avenger both hack the voting system here.

A-denture has hacked the voting system twice. If that is not an offense warranting a permanent ban from a blog, I don’t know what is.

Rob Fedders, for all his lunacy, would still not do something like that.

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keyster May 6, 2012 at 17:30

IOW, these Corporatist interests own the military, just like they own the courts, media, schools, police, &c. They overthrow entire governments who stand in their way, and ours won’t be any different once they consider it expendable.

Go Occupy Wall Street!
Tear down the existing system and let government run EVERYTHING, so it’ll be more fair. Kinda like communism or something.

Conservative’s like Keyster need to go back to his, only women can make ppl take the MRM seriously cave … & find a rock to crawl under …
Clueless doesnt even begin to describe conservative morons like keyster ..

Brilliant and astute rebuttle from a Liberal/Anti-Feminist!
If women can’t make ppl take the MRM seriously, then what are you waiting for? Have had it! I’ve got your back.

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Gilgamesh May 6, 2012 at 17:42

We don’t need women in the MRM. We just need more men.

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Eric May 6, 2012 at 18:25

TFH,
I noticed something anomolous about the comment-rating system lately too. I wonder, though, if it isn’t the handiwork of Futrelle’s trolls from the earlier thread? Just blot out the ones they don’t like…

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Eric May 6, 2012 at 18:50

Keyster,
I think that the Corporatists are manipulating the Occupy Movement too.

‘Tear down the existing system and let the government run everything.’

On the contrary, I think that we should root out the special interests so that our government can function at all. The only reason that they want to run everything is because competing interests are pushing the government into activities where it has no legitimate purpose.

‘Kinda like Communism’

Communism wants the complete abolition of the State and its replacement with Society. It’s the logical conclusion of social intrusion into government or vice-verse.

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American May 6, 2012 at 19:01

Eric, I would agree, the basic structure / framework of hetero-relations is broken. Men and boys will feel it first, and instead of risking false accusations of rape or domestic violence by getting into a relationship with women, they will just turn to living in their mothers basements and playing video games at 35 years old. (and who can blame them??).
Men and boys will be the first to feel the consequences of the perversions that have been incorporated into American law enforcement, but women will feel the effects soon, as we are just starting to witness.
The bottom line is that the perversions that Gender-Raunch have pushed American law enforcement into, have made relationships with women a “LEGAL LIABILITY” for men, and many are just walking away from them out of a basic survival instinct.

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American May 6, 2012 at 19:07

What America will witness over the next 20 years will show the rest of the world what happens to a nation that lets its law enforcement get so perverse that hetero-relationships are a legal liability for men.
What America will witness over the next 20 years will show the rest of the world what happens to a nation that lets its law enforcement get into the misinformation and “manufactured statistics” business.

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Like a G-6 May 6, 2012 at 19:54

Schiff nails it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxKE5–iB4U

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Like a G-6 May 6, 2012 at 20:11

@keyster May 5, 2012 at 10:03

Alex Jones of infowars.com comes in close with more than 3 million listeners per day.

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greyghost May 6, 2012 at 20:37

But nothing will change if men keep enabling them with things like Game and PUA.
Eric these guys are great. This guys are the consequences for bad behavior. They are also great for occupying the 80% of females that only see 20% of the men. That is at a minimum 80% of the female population of no real value other than cum puckets for the players. Fine with me. my goal as an MRA is to get as high a percentage of the female population into and out of their child bearing years childless an unentitled as possible. I want hysteria about the shortage of men.
As said before just as talking a mans drivers licence and or professional licence when he can nolonger pay 110% of his net income in CS and alimony is not to colect money from that man but an example for the rest of you, a bunch of old childless slut spinsters will not change those women (and who would give a shit BTW) It does set a good example for the young women and girls.
Remember any action or behavior a women takes reguardless of how it effects those around them is an act of selfishness, even good behavior.

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Rob May 6, 2012 at 20:57

Maybe all the downvoting of TFH, Boxer, Oddsock & Rmax’d is simply because other men are starting to see what a bunch of lying, low-down weasels they are, willing to shaft other men just for their own ego gratification.

You know, it’s not like people have to automatically agree with you just because you guys declare you are the greatest thing since Socrates.

The proof is in the pudding, as they say.

Well, that’s my lunatic position.

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Rob May 6, 2012 at 21:34

@ Keyster,

I have a proposal for you, would you please e-mail me at robfedders (at) yahoo.ca?

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Eric May 6, 2012 at 22:35

American;
That’s pretty much I think the future will shape up, except that the Middle Class will become stronger. The re-emerging Middle Class is going to be shaped much more by social than political currents. The Upper and Underclasses are dependent on political policy, but economically dependent upon the Middle Class.

The productive and better-educated men will form the nucleus of the Middle Class; and they are increasingly entreprenuerial economically, less politically-engaged, and hostile to feminism and political correctness generally. As more men turn their attentions to building businesses, and building their futures either with foreign women or as MGTOWs, they will become more socially distinct from the Underclass, who are going to cling to the chaotic paradigms of feminism and political correctness, like you described.

The American Underclass is already rapidly sinking into all but the most primitive barbarism and, in few years, will probably degenerate even further into complete savagery. In some gang-ridden cities, that’s already happening.

That’s why I don’t think it improbable that a future America might actually look like Mediaeval Europe (geographically) with walled cities and enclosed communities, like castles and forts once were. With the technology we have today, it’s actually possible to make these types of communities more self-sustaining than they were during the Middle Ages.

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Eric May 6, 2012 at 22:42

Rob,
Could be. I know two of those whom you mentioned are notorious gadflies. But it still wouldn’t hurt to keep an eye out for whatever the White Knights’ next move might be LOL

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Rob May 6, 2012 at 22:47

Zed once told me that you will find that almost all men in the MRM will use whatever power they gain to undermine other men, rather than promote “the cause.”

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Eric May 6, 2012 at 23:07

Greyghost;
I understand the motivation behind Game/PUA but it’s entirely the wrong path for men to follow. Women in our culture imagine themselves ‘the owners of sex’ and don’t feel any shame about being sluts. To ‘get’ sex from them and treat them like sluts doesn’t really effect them since they’re immune from shame and aren’t capable of emotionally bonding with men anyway. All ‘pumping and dumping’ will do is reinforce their belief that ‘all men are pigs’.

Besides that, their belief in themselves as ‘owners of sex’ doesn’t change. On the other hand, if men withhold sex from them, or pursue better women from other cultures; these entitlement princesses are going to be faced with the fact that they can’t compete with real women, or earn a real man, and that they’re good for nothing but sex with thugs. That’s another problem with Game/PUA; it ultimately rewards women with sex for preferring thuggish males. Take away their vaunted ‘sexual power’ and they have nothing to offer any real man.

More, too, a man puts himself at serious risk with Game/PUA. He might buy into the Roissyite propaganda that he’s ‘beating women at their own game’ but if that game translates into the legal system, he’s really going to have his ass in a wringer. There aren’t many clipped-haired, hatchet-faced female judges who are going to be impressed by his being an ‘Alpha’.

It might look enviable that the so-called ‘bad boys’ are ‘getting’ a lot of sex with hot women; but I can assure you that most of them are no strangers to threats of child-support enforcement, restraining orders, false accusations, anti-stalking orders, &c. It’s just that those types of males typically spend so much time in the County Jail anyway, it doesn’t bother them so much.

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Eric May 6, 2012 at 23:16

Rob;

I’m not sure about ‘almost all men’, but any mass-movement is going to attract a fair share of opportunists. Power and money are the only ’causes’ those types really believe in; and they’re drawn to crowds like magnets.

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 02:32

Rob

You did say on another thread that you try and listen to music and/or use visualization to relax.

Try this. Works for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMab_lYY5lE

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 02:39

“I See You In Me, And Me In You.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azOZ8d0UvVs&feature=related

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greyghost May 7, 2012 at 02:42

Eric
That was just what I had in mind. I would love for more women to experience what you have just described. The women you have described are on the cock carousel that is what it looks like. remember 80F to 20M thing. That leaves 20% to the betas Let the rest ride the carousel and get as many into too old and infertal spinsterhood as possible. Never deny a slut the dick do deny a slut a beta. The slut walks were not to make sure guys always wanted to fuck a slut. The slut walk was to remove the stigma of the slut to convince a beta she was worthy of what betas have to offer.
Sluts and cock carousel riding liberated women (same thing) are omly worthy of the dick and they are welcome to all of the dick they want. 80 percent of women chasing after the gina tingle 20% of men. The PUA/player/thug,MGTOW,grass eaters/peter pans all have a role to play. We just need to make sure no betas get taken in by that slut 80% to be divorved and destroyed by the laws of misandry. There are MRA’s hat have chosen their place of battle to be in the 20% and they are a dumb lot fully indoctrinated in feminism. (Dalrock is one) And Welmer had an article about a masculin church before he got hacked.
The reason MRA’s infight so much is that they fall in love with where they are standing and all others are fucked up.
Think about this, 45 to 57 year old women childless college educated working to support themselves without entitlement from any man. To you and I big deal. Think of the articles in Slate,Salon, or any female centric genre. Get half of the 80 percenters as childless spinsters the rest due to manginas and blue pillers pretty much what we have now and the 20% taking care of business kept in check by the experience of the 80 percenters. That wicked self interest thing rears it’s ugly head again. Since it is normal it is incorperated into a healthy society.
Think big my friend be strategic

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Oddsock May 7, 2012 at 02:56

On the edge with Dr Paul Craig Roberts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64K8tTVuook&feature=player_embedded#!

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Eric May 7, 2012 at 04:18

Greyghost:
Put that way, it’s kind of hard to argue against. We’ll just have to keep making logical cases against PUA, to deter all the men smart enough not to fall for it, while the rest can get the sluts they deserve and end up sabotaging each other…

In a morbid kind of way, that’s actually an appealling scenario.

“There are MRAs that have chosen their place of battle to be in the 20% and they are a dumb lot fully indoctrinated in feminism(Dalrock is one)”

LOL—I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed that! That guy could be the poster-boy for deluded ‘empowered’ men bowing to the Pedestal Princesses.

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Water_Ostrich May 7, 2012 at 04:38

Read 1984. If big brother would have controlled Julia’s sexuality, they would not have had a problem with controlling Winston. I am amazed that the Statists are using the same name as Orwell chose: “Julia”. But, then again, Lucifer is proud. Sex was the one thing that Big Brother had a problem controlling. Control Julia and you own the men. Julia takes the pill. She will ovulate on Tuesdays (the pill). Tuesdays are bad days for men to go out. Suppress sex. Control men.

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Abides May 7, 2012 at 05:10

Guys, as to voting etc. the story as hined by some comments previous is going to get worse: in the next years the male boomers will die, but the female boomers will outlast them by 5-15 years.

This means that there will be a very significant edge to the female vote, and old boomer female will be the most fought over voting group, and they tend to be entitled narcissists, plus with the damage of old age and the extra spite and meanness it often drives in women (and many men).

Expect politicians to pander ever more shamelessly to retired boomer widows and spinters, with drastic laws against any sort of “unnice” behavior by men.

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Red0660 May 7, 2012 at 05:40

Wow, either feminists are voting down certain arbitrary posts en mass or women commissioned a mangina to build them something utilizing male technology to create a bot. Interesting…… Welmer, I propose we utilize our male minds to counter the intrusion. We certainly have them out gunned with male capability.

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Abides May 7, 2012 at 05:40

Julia is a college grad, businesswoman and mother of one. Apparently, she is a single mother, because she has a son, but at no point is any man in the picture. However, this is not a problem, because so long as Obama is there, she don’t need no stinking husband.

As to this, there is a reason, and it is that men are perceived are malignant, vicious predators, and what happens to them is irrelevant. Let the bastards rot…

A stereotype that you have pushed forward yourself, with this amazingly female supremacist statement:

Today, there are essentially two kinds of bad sex: “nonconsensual” sex and sex with underage people. The bad actors in this regime are overwhelmingly male for a couple reasons. First, forcible rape is far more likely to be committed by males than females, for obvious reasons. Secondly, men generally prefer younger partners and women older.

The statements you make are just factually false. Women rape people and molest children nearly as much or more than men, just not violently. For every priest who molested boys there is at least one nun who molested girls (and boys); hot men are routinely assaulted sexually by women, who often take advantage of those men’s drunkenness to fuck them, and never mind blackmail.

Usually (but not always) women don’t use violence, but sexual crimes don’t arise solely from violence, but also from positions of power or use of intoxicants; and while many women prefer older men, there are enough women for which having power over a girl or a boy is in itself a turn on for sex. Esepcially now that essentially all people who work in positions of care for children are female, because males are automatically presumed guilty, virtually all sexual and nonsexual abuse of children is done by women, entirely unchecked because pedestalizers cannot imagine what really happens.

Women are not innocent victims, they are full-on sexual beings, many with predatory instincts, and many have no qualms about using their power over men or more simply using drink and substances to impose their way, from Putiphar’s wife vs. Joseph onwards. Just as realistic statistics show that women’s domestic violence against men (or other women) is at least as common as the vicecersa.

The difference here is that as in fictional Julia’s case males (men or boys) are invisible and when women abuse them (or other females) there is a strong case of inability to see or to speak about it.

And so many men take that lying down, because they are pedestalizers too.

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greyghost May 7, 2012 at 06:22

“There are MRAs that have chosen their place of battle to be in the 20% and they are a dumb lot fully indoctrinated in feminism(Dalrock is one)”

LOL—I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed that! That guy could be the poster-boy for deluded ‘empowered’ men bowing to the Pedestal Princesses
That was meant to come off as the 20% of woman not chasing alpha dick on the carousel. Those woman are still feminised but are more reseptive of other ways of selfishness.

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keyster May 7, 2012 at 09:02

On the contrary, I think that we should root out the special interests so that our government can function at all.

I think we should root out the government so that the special interests can function at all. Minimal goverernment, minimal intervention, minimal rules and regulations. Special interests exist because government warrants it. The more government, the more special interests. It’s what slowly killed Rome.

Communism wants the complete abolition of the State and its replacement with Society.

Yes it does, but funny thing is that those who bring on the revolutions never secede power to Society. Power does that to people. 50 years on and Castro is still hanging on to the “Presidency” in Cuba. Marx would say he’s “doing it wrong”. So did Lenin, Stalin and Mao. “There’s always work to do”…as the feminists like to say. The People are never quiet ready to govern themselves I suppose. It’s a sweet ideology, but not practical. The kids of OWS are sweet too.

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keyster May 7, 2012 at 09:15

Zed once told me that you will find that almost all men in the MRM will use whatever power they gain to undermine other men, rather than promote “the cause.”

Right, especially when that power starts to attract money and pussy.
This, and the fact society listens to women, is why it’ll take a woman or women. I wish it weren’t true, but it is.

The Tea Party movement here is led predominantly by women, by about 90% across the country. The men were too busy shitting on each others egos to get organized.

Same with the MRM over the decades.

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SixStringsForever May 7, 2012 at 13:02

Unfortunately the only way to change this basis system is to change the laws which is easier said than done.
The other way is not to play the game on their terms and every man needs to realize that every single action they take which involves interaction with a female has consequences-either positive or negitive for themselves-you must weigh potential dangers up carefully.
Detailed analysis and much thought must be at the forefront of every decision made in this regard……..your wealth and wellbeing depends on it.

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American May 7, 2012 at 13:58

Abides, contrary to Gender-Raunch media programs…young women are in fact turning away from feminism faster that Gender-Raunch feminists can recruit desperate middle aged men to replace them.
I would not pay much attention to the American media reports about gender-Raunch culture feminism getting stronger with the children and youth. I know many young women that look at these desperate Raunchy lonely single lesbians, and are saying f#$k you bitches.

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Andrew S. May 7, 2012 at 14:13

Eric,
As far as a PUA’s and bad boys getting better sex, and higher quality women, well, it might be true in some parts of the country, but from what I’ve noticed in the Midwest most these guys are only getting women who aren’t clinically obese.

To be honest though I can see where being a PUA could be fun and would make some sense, but in Flyover country the majority of PUA’s should never brag, or be all that proud of their “latest conquest.”

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Eric May 7, 2012 at 14:24

Keyster:
‘Root out government so the special interests can function.’

They wouldn’t be trying to impose their will through force of law if they had good intentions. In the absence of a functional government, they would become even more oppressive:
‘A domination of men by pure economics must remain a terrible deception if, by remaining nonpolitical, it thereby evades political responsibilty and visibility. Exchange by no means precludes the possibility that one of the contractors experiences a disadvantage and that a system of mutual contracts finally deteriorates into a system of the worst exploitation and repression. When the exploited and repressed attempt to defend themselves in such a situation, they cannot do so by economic means. Evidently, the possessor of economic power would consider every attempt to increase its power-position by extra-economic means such as violence and crime, and will seek methods to hinder this. That ideal construction of a society based on exchange and mutual contracts, in itself as peaceful and just, is thereby eliminated…no matter how large the financial bribe may be, there is no monetary equivalent for political freedom and political independence.’—J. Burckhardt

‘Those who bring Communist revolutions never cede their power to society.’
LOL, as someone who’s worked in Marxist-dominated Academia before, I can attest to the truth of that!

‘Like the feminists who say there’s more work to be done.’
From what I’ve seen, when they come into power, the first work they set out to do is purging their own ranks of those insufficiently ideologically pure, that ‘purity’ according to each Marxist’s definition of it. ‘There are 10,000 Socialist parties, one for each Socialist’.—Mark Twain

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Attila May 7, 2012 at 18:37

Woman at the workplace and a snake in the grass are the same thing.

I urge you guys to read this short but juicy book:

All About Women: An Introduction to Procedural Analysis with an Anthology of Other Writing

The author is an astute observer of the XXer subspecies — unmasked their congenital narcissism for all to see — me, me, me, me, me.

You will never look at a woman again as anything but a mass of self-servicing APPARENT contradictions — the ultimate swallowers of male transcendent spirit.

There is nothing in this book which runs counter to Islam – the wane of all fembots, manginas, transgynas, feminazis and gynocrats.

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Jabberwocky May 8, 2012 at 15:32

Stop the infighting and power mongering please team. It’s one thing to have ‘cliques’ or strains of ‘philosophical tribalism’, but no one here is going to achieve any type of consensus by trying to enforce it autocratically through ridicule, bullying, or rigging the votes (and yes, the up/down vote patterns are clearly being manipulated some how on this thread). These are some of the same unfair and dishonorable strategies used historically by our Feminist enemies against us, and most everyone here is inured to such tactics, and trained by our very own philosophies and practices to spot and ignore them. In other words, they are a bit pointless around here. Let’s just all agree to disagree and not try to tear each other down to accommodate our own ambitions.

“Vote for Jabberwocky as the Supreme Leader of the MRA, so that no one else can become a really bad dictator first. He’s too lazy to abuse his power and too silly to do it right even if he wanted to.”

I’m trying to parse that down to fit on a bumper sticker, but it’s hard.

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universe May 8, 2012 at 17:13

So much for feminism’s age old claim of not wanting woman to be possessed or kept by a man.

And the president (or any other aspiring female appeasing leader) said to the woman, Julia, (creating much unrest) you shall surely not die (wink, weev gots yez cuvered toots).
(Then you’ll be mine, all mi-i-ine
moo-hoo-ho0-huh-huh-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-uhhh-ahhh [wheeze, gasp]).

And so, the age old saga continues. Unless…

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universe May 8, 2012 at 17:30

Ya…well, it’s sort of up to us, isn’t it, to state the otherwise case to Julia and company.

For all those writers who lament that nothing can be done to reverse or stem the feminist tide.
Much respectfully, I disagree.

A community standard is being formulated in pages such as this. Judges, and juries, to a point, rule on law plus public expectation and intervention. The informed will of ‘the people’, eventually filters upward and is influenced moreso by the better writers (we know who you guys are) yet also involves the general consensus (that’s you, us).

And those, awaiting a population supported safe moment to intervene, employ their so inclined yet honed civic craft and move in. With some carefully maneuvered and deft backroom strokes these types change the complexion of the socio-political landscape. (But we have to keep a rightful eye on them, too).

If the pen is acknowledged as the only tool in the social war chest then keep writing guys. Your ideas and links to knowledge are inspiring the once silent to write alongside you.

(…OK, where was I…uh..oh ya…surfaced for air from the basement of dad and mom’s house. There’s got to be some game on the tube…go Jets, uh, Mets? ..whatever…it’s all the same right?…got my beer..popcorn…hot water bottle…what else do you need)

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Paul Murray May 8, 2012 at 21:25

“A lot of 24-25 year old children will be suing their mothers for the support to go to them directly.”

If that’s true, if an adult child has a right to be supported by their parent until they are 25, then that applies even if there is no father paying child support. That is – kids suing single mothers who got a kid from a sperm bank.

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Stefano Castellanos May 9, 2012 at 17:30

to me it sounds awful! that Julia and what about Julio? what about all that jazz about equality between sexes. Men will have to stop to ask for hand in marriage and have the women ask them! and if the women ask they get a no. Observing that cartoon about Julia I kept thinking it is a China on revert. Have a girl and not a boy! and in the future women can purchase vibrators with sperm in it! like ice cream of all flavors. Men are wallets only. And the only man on top is Obama. Maybe he wants a heaven on Earth where he gets all the 11.000 virgins and he can pay for all the kids. What about little Julio what is he going to grow up to think of himself?

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ThoughtCriminal May 11, 2012 at 18:18

Revolting new development,Julia groupies.

http://news.yahoo.com/will-obama-s-julia-celebrate-a-gay-marriage-.html

Read it and puke.

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fmz May 14, 2012 at 00:08

Meet Julia…

l dont think so.

Pass.

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