Douthat Takes on Fornication

by W.F. Price on May 4, 2012

Ross Douthat has entered the debate on the new HBO show “Girls,” which, in a hint of things to come in the Democratic Party’s rainbow coalition, has attracted some controversy because it portrays white girls’ lives. However, Douthat isn’t concerned with race so much as he is with the prevalent loose sexual mores.

Douthat is quite young; in fact, at just a couple years over 30, he is the youngest editorialist ever hired by the NY Times. He probably has a fairly good idea of how young women of his generation behave, but I’m not entirely sure he understands what’s behind it.

Douthat on “Girls:”

I’m not suggesting that Dunham is secretly channeling the show’s profits to the Family Research Council. But it’s still interesting to watch how effectively “Girls” weaves together elements from various recent critiques of modern sexual arrangements. The pseudo-relationship that Dunham’s character, Hannah Horvath, is pursuing with a shirtless hipster layabout is a case study in the unearned sexual advantages that a culture that assumes a certain amount of promiscuity affords to underachieving and unworthy men. Her best friend’s exhaustion with her nice-guy boyfriend suggests how easily long-term “starter marriage”-type relationships can become smothering traps for the people involved. The babbling “Sex and the City” acolyte who treats her own virginity as a dreadful stigma illustrates the point that the sociologists Mark Regnerus and Jeremy Uecker make in their excellent book, “Premarital Sex in America” – that contemporary teens and twentysomethings consistently overestimate how much sex their peers are having, which in turn puts pressure on them to have more sexual partners than their own preferences would otherwise incline them toward.

Douthat seems to feel that promiscuity is a reward to be earned, which suggests that he has limited perspective. “Underachieving and unworthy” have always gone hand-in-hand with promiscuity, according to traditional morality. This goes all the way back to the ancient Romans, Greeks, Hebrews, Chinese, etc.

What Douthat is doing is making the mistake that too many social conservatives are prone to (and, incidentally, which repels many females): he assumes that access to females and sexual gratification are rewards for following the rules. Only someone who grew up in the eminently functional fraction of our society could come to such a far-off conclusion. Most of the rest of us know what promiscuity is really all about: broken families, unwanted pregnancies, wrecked childhoods, jealousy, betrayal, despair, etc. And, of course, despite all these things, it remains an extraordinarily common vice.

For morally-minded people, promiscuity should no more be seen as a reward to be “earned” than drunkenness, sloth or gluttony.

I’m starting to wonder whether a lot of the social conservatives’ angst about the sexual status quo isn’t a result of them feeling left out. All the hotsex these “shirtless hipster layabout” losers are getting from the naughty little skank in the next apartment must really gnaw at an eminently well-behaved young man like Douthat (magnacumlaudephibetakappa Harvard grad). However, I don’t want to beat up on Douthat, because I think he’s an earnest, bright young man. I like him quite a bit. But I think he’s got to take a walk out of the urban enclaves of the East and get a breath of fresh air around some ordinary people for a change. He ought to do this so he can see that there’s little difference no matter where you are on the scale — it’s a systemic problem that has nothing to do with what people deserve.

The hipster layabout in Manhattan is the ghetto thug in a black neighborhood, the badboy biker in the downrent suburbs, the narco cholo in SoCal, and the rogue cowboy in ranch country. Does society “afford” sex to these men? Nah, the women do. We aren’t giving these badboys a break — we’re giving females a break. Maybe Douthat understands that, and can’t put it in writing because he’d get canned. If that’s the case, all I can say is that a nation has really fallen very low when it can’t even chide its young women for their misbehavior, and has to resort to blaming every and anyone else for the problem.

If we’re going to deal with this problem, we have to recognize that young women prefer the status quo. Women who post on this site are very explicit about it. They want the shirtless hipsters to have sex with them and the Ross Douthats to support them, and that’s exactly what they’ve got. It’s female nirvana.

As men, we have only two adaptive responses at our disposal:

1) Just leave it, i.e. MGTOW

2) Take advantage of it, i.e. Game

As for the non-adaptive option, it’s one of sacrifice; standing up to the beast and speaking truth to its face. I wouldn’t recommend it for those who care about their personal well-being, but it’s the one slim hope we have to rectify the situation. It’s too bad we can’t count on our respectable molders of public opinion to take on the job, but that’s probably how it’s always been.

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Uncle Elmer May 4, 2012 at 09:01

“…rogue cowboy in ranch country….”

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Interesting, interesting….

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Uncle Elmer May 4, 2012 at 09:07

The Hard-to-Get Cowboy by Crystal Green

What Seriously Single Cowboy Is Getting Serious About Thunder Canyon’s Most Eligible Bachelorette?

The marriage proposals are flying—and Laila Cates is saying “I won’t” to every eligible cowboy from Montana to Texas! The independent beauty has sworn off romance. But we hear she’s been changing her tune ever since the new man in town set his sights on her….

Settling down is the last thing on Jackson Traub’s mind. The oilman-turned-rancher is here to take care of family business, but the minute he sees Laila, he knows she’s got to be his. And soon, the sparks between them have the whole town ablaze! Maybe the good-time cowboy and Thunder Canyon’s most eligible bachelorette are having second thoughts about this whole happily-ever-after business. Stay tuned, devoted readers, to see if love can change these two willful hearts!

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DCM May 4, 2012 at 09:13

We see why females need to be more strictly controlled and brought up with more restraints.

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LastCrucible May 4, 2012 at 09:19

Men provide the order, correction and direction (among other things) that stabilizes and ensures a prosperous society. This includes practicing good ‘woman husbandry’. The current state of things in the Western world is indicative of the moral and spiritual bankruptcy of men. Plain and simple. Women and children are mere sheep. The waywardness begins with the shepherds: MEN.

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Pops May 4, 2012 at 09:22

“Douthat seems to feel that promiscuity is a reward to be earned, which suggests that he has limited perspective. “Underachieving and unworthy” have always gone hand-in-hand with promiscuity, according to traditional morality. This goes all the way back to the ancient Romans, Greeks, Hebrews, Chinese, etc.”

I’m not sure that he is stating anything contradicting this. He seems to point this out as an example of how “underachieving and unworthy” men tend to have higher access to the promiscuous sex afforded to desirable men. Access to promiscuous sex is a bi-product of being desirable to women. A man who is desirable to women does not have to partake in promiscous sex, but the fact that he is desirable to women will overwhelmingly be viewed as a reward for his particular character traits. Thus, it is not so much the promiscuity that is the reward, but rather the desirability which could but would not necessarily lead to promiscuity that is the reward.

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keyster May 4, 2012 at 09:28

This is another one of Judd Apatow’s (male) feminist propaganda projects. The young men are hapless, adolescent dolts, and the young women are strong, wise and mature. He’s portraying young men and women exactly how he believes women want them to be. It’s extending the “Friends” narrative. Whiny emasculated men and “empowered” careerist women that control them through sexual access.

http://www.elle.com/Pop-Culture/Celebrity-Spotlight/Judd-Apatow

It’s what The Good Men Project is in a fictional form.

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greyghost May 4, 2012 at 09:32

LastCrucible Thats what we are here for we are working on it one man at a time.
Glad to see you back. I am very interested in how things went with your quest to be involved in your childs life.

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Uncle Elmer May 4, 2012 at 09:40

Cowboy Cravings by Morgan Ashbury

Annie Rutherford came west seeking a new life, never dreaming love would be part of the mix. The cravings that cowboys Jessie Conrad and Grant Douglas incite in her are fierce. The two men prove they are more than up to the task of satisfying Annie’s hunger. Jessie and Grant know Annie thinks their relationship is only temporary. They’re willing to give her plenty of loving and plenty of time to heal from the past and get used to their unique brand of happy-ever-after. But the past in the form of Annie’s ex-con brother-in-law comes back to haunt her, and she’s thrown into a deadly game of cat and mouse. She didn’t know about the jewel heist, or that her deceased husband had a second, secret partner, or that her brother-in-law is out of prison and on his way to find her. He intends to claim more than just the stolen gems, but not if Jessie and Grant have anything to say about it.

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King May 4, 2012 at 09:43

OT: Check out this piece written about Gina Seau, the ex-wife of Junior Seau. Junior Seau is an american football player who recently committed suicide.

http://www.rightentertainment.com/?p=2973

“Gina is still single today, but anyone who has been through divorce knows that dating with kids can be challenging. On the other hand, he (Junior) had a girlfriend, Mary Nolan. Gina’s Facebook page is over here but we cannot locate a Twitter page.”

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Uncle Elmer May 4, 2012 at 09:44

Cowboy Sandwich by Reece Butler

Determined to take charge of her life, Candy abandons her inhibitions and heads West. Adam and Bryan, co-owners of a remote Montana cattle ranch, are eager for luscious female heat after three cold months in the saddle. Candy’s first step toward freedom is one glorious night of wild sex. The men prove what four hands, two mouths and hard driving muscles can do in a few determined hours.

But meeting her deep, dark fantasies requires more time. They invite her back to the Double R, promising games of Virgin and Pirates, Harem Girl and Sheiks. With hard working days and deliciously wicked nights, the last few weeks of the winter pass quickly.

Ranch life, and her men, are everything Candy wants. But she can’t live a fantasy forever, hoping they’ll ask her to stay. Unless they return her love, she must claim her independence and escape before her heart breaks.

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Okrahead May 4, 2012 at 09:51

Perhaps Douthat (hope I spelled that correctly) is saying that sexuality, rather than promiscuity, is something to be earned. If so, then he is on the right track. The shirtless layabout has sex, as does the urban thug, bad boy biker, etc. with attractive young women (let us assume so, anyway, for sake of the argument). This removes said young women from the pool of women eligible for a young man like Douthat, who is “following the rules” to establish a “real” (marriage?) sexual relationship. Although the various players enjoy the sexual pleasure Douthat apparently misses out on, Douthot still pays the price (tax transfers to unwed mothers and their little bastards). Hence, by “playing by the rules” Douthat misses out on the pleasure but still pays for the kids, while the players get the pleasure and pay no price…. And yes, life is unfair. Since Douthat writes for the NYT, however, I doubt he will embrace libertarianism and make the sluts responsible for paying their own way rather than garnishing his paycheck. Just a thought.

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LastCrucible May 4, 2012 at 09:51

@greyghost

Thx. I’ve always been in my son’s life–since conception. I have an essay in the works detailing my experiences with my son and his mother as it regards my struggle to maintain a meaningful (to say the least) presence in our son’s life while enduring hostility, condescension, dismissal, antagonism, passive aggression, etc., from his mother. There’s is much going on with the situation at this time, so I’m waiting to see how it’s gonna play out so that I can include it in my essay.

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meistergedanken May 4, 2012 at 09:56

@ LC -
Good – I like these updates. I was wondering about the proposed essay…I thought maybe you were in my situation – I sent an article to Price two weeks ago and it is still in limbo.

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LastCrucible May 4, 2012 at 10:05

@greyghost

I feel compelled to emphasize our “shepherd status” as men. If we acknowledge that women are profoundly deficient in the logic/rational thinking department, then we must accept that they have a profoundly limited capacity to rectify their poor behavior. Accountability is born of rational thought. Rational thought is largely the province of men. We are responsible. We are shepherds. We must stop appealing to a capacity in women that is nonexistent: accountability. The issue we “little guys” face is an issue of power; specifically, a lack of it. We lack the power of reward and punishment over our women. We needn’t appeal to the conscience of women. We should pursue the power to enforce the morals we wish to see exhibited in our women and children. Presently, that power is being held my a nefarious state apparatus. That, my friend, is our target.

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W.F. Price May 4, 2012 at 10:06

I sent an article to Price two weeks ago and it is still in limbo.

-meistergedanken

Yeah, I shut myself out of the email for security reasons after the hack attack. But I’ll be back home soon, and then I’ll be back in action as before.

J May 4, 2012 at 10:07

Hmmmmmmm, another liberal journalist from “high society” who does not get it? Ho hum.

<—————-yawns, goes back to work!

Love what you are doing Price. However, most of the types in the media can get the problems, but never get to the source. Hopefully, the change that we are seeing continues.

Time will tell?!

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LastCrucible May 4, 2012 at 10:08

@Okrahead

excellent comment…

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LastCrucible May 4, 2012 at 10:15

@greyghost

That should read “There is much going on…”

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greyghost May 4, 2012 at 10:20

Last Crucible Your last on the lack of rational ability of women is dead on. If you had a chance to read Wemers last article and comments it is there in plain site. If we can get a large enough majority of MRA’s to understand that we will have a solid foundation for effective action and activism. Victory ,progress,or change in general will be defined by what men see and not what is parroted by “good women”
Hang in there with your son in todays world and law fathers involvement is tied to what the mother thinks and does. Not supposed to be that way but is my number one motivation for being here.

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dragnet May 4, 2012 at 10:21

“I’m starting to wonder whether a lot of the social conservatives’ angst about the sexual status quo isn’t a result of them feeling left out.”

Nailed it.

The truth is that Douthat and responsible beta males like him bought the lies. They were told that the core civilizational pact was still in place: men exchanging their productivity for sexual access. Guys like him were raised to believe that if they worked hard and played by the rules, they would get access to a reasonably attractive woman to wife and that losers/layabouts/cads would be scorned and bereft. Posts like this are evidence that Douthat is beginning to realize that something has gone horribly awry, but his mind is still as yet unable to make sense of what has really happened and how badly he has been suckered.

Which is part of the reason why, like most socons/feminists/manginas/other-modern-gynocentrists, he cannot hold women responsible for the men they select. There are plenty of productive, reliable guys around who these women could be banging, but they aren’t because they don’t want them.

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LastCrucible May 4, 2012 at 10:28

@greyghost

Absolutely.

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Uncle Elmer May 4, 2012 at 10:33

Five-Star Cowboy by Charlene Sands

Texan Trent Tyler had never met a deal he couldn’t conquer or a woman, for that matter. Now the success of his Arizona hotel project required him to do what he did best: seduce a lady into submission. The irony? What Trent needed most from Julia Lowell was her brains.

With memories of their torrid weekend affair still fresh in their minds, Trent easily convinced Julia to become an employee… with benefits. But when she discovered the truth behind her hire, who would come out on top?

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Rmaxd May 4, 2012 at 10:35

Brilliant essay by Price which portrays the modern woman in her true plight & disparity, as she pursues a route of modern substandards & degenerate literacy…

Do anything but be a biological mother of a mans child

Promiscuity as a reward, is the diatribe feminists use to get women into feminism

You too can have all the orgasms & alpha’s, if you become a man hating liberated feminist

Fantasy Bullshit

This is the truth …

Women today live a life of biochemistry induced biology, instead of a nature as nature intended biology

Their lives a bleach of birth control biochemistry, a cocktail of hormone & biotherapy, a pharmacratic chemical social engineering

Their lives are feats of pharmacratic chemical engineering & caustic bio-engineered biologies

& we all pay the price, instead of natural fertile cycles & natural well adjusted women, in tune with the cycles & seasons of nature

Our women are chemically castrated at birth, & seperated at birth from their natural instinct & god given natural ability …

You can call it birth control all you want, but chemically castrating women is anything but control …

Birth control yea right…

What we have is a nation of women, their biology engineered & destroyed by chemical castration

& women que up in droves to be chemically castrated …

The legalisation & mandatory chemical neutering of women, has destroyed the rite of passage of adolescent women

Instead of innocently coming to terms with their adolescence, they take chemicals to consummate & castrate themselves in their adolescence

Imagine MILLIONS of teen girls & PRE-PUBESCENT children chemically castrating themselves & you begin to get a picture of the true horror of social engineering in todays so called modern freakishly cult-like acculturation to liberal & disgusting feminist theology …

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Gilgamesh May 4, 2012 at 11:20

If we’re the ones who always need something new then why do women initiate the majority of divorces?

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Jimbo May 4, 2012 at 11:25

Douthat’s doing okay, his wife (Abigail Tucker) is better looking than he is:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/fashion/weddings/30tucker.html

they’re both harvard grads who became journalists…

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MKP May 4, 2012 at 11:46

This probably puts me in the minority here, but honestly I don’t really give a shit about female promiscuity in and of itself. I only object to being asked to pay for it.

You want to go out and fuck an endless string of HAWT guys? Knock yourself out. Doesn’t bother me what you do behind your bedroom door. Just don’t ask me to pay for your kids’ food and housing, don’t ask me to pay for your HIV and herpes drugs, and don’t come around crying and wailing when you’re 34 years old and washed up and suddenly angry that you can’t find an intelligent, reliable, gainfully employed man to treat you right.

Now, many intelligent men hear a statement like ^ this and say “but you see, we’re ALWAYS going to have to pay for her kids. There’s no way to avoid paying for her HIV drugs. So the only solution is to ‘crack down’ (somehow defined) on female promiscuity, because otherwise we end up paying for it.” That’s bullshit. It’s like saying “we’ll never be able to trust people with guns, so they should be outlawed” or “we’ll always have car accidents, so we should eliminate cars.” No, the hell with that. Cut off TANF, Medicaid, Section 8 housing, SNAP, free school breakfast programs, and every other government giveaway program. If women want to be fun-time party sluts and they aren’t asking me to suffer for it, I got no problem with them.

Sure, they’ll complain when they’re no longer the hot girl at the party, and there’s a younger, fresher generation of hot girls below them. So what? Are we going to base our decisions on women’s complaints?

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King May 4, 2012 at 12:07

“This probably puts me in the minority here, but honestly I don’t really give a shit about female promiscuity in and of itself. I only object to being asked to pay for it.” … “Cut off TANF, Medicaid, Section 8 housing, SNAP, free school breakfast programs, and every other government giveaway program” …”Are we going to base our decisions on women’s complaints?” – MKP

Of course we base our decisions on women’s complaints … that why we have all of the above programs. Feminism is the composed of the complaints (I’m sorry the “interests”) of women.

Women are herd animals. Section 8, medicaid, “healthcare as a right”, etc help the herd. What they dont understand is that it is theft. Penn Jillette said it best:

“…. It’s amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness.
People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed, and sheltered, and if we’re compassionate we’ll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gunpoint….”. ~Penn Jillette

How much of Feminism could be described as ” immoral self-righteous bullying laziness”? I would argue most of it.

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King May 4, 2012 at 12:08

PS …. MKP for the WIN!!!! You are not the only one who thinks the way you do

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Ronin May 4, 2012 at 12:12

@ Okrahead

“Douthot still pays the price (tax transfers to unwed mothers and their little bastards). Hence, by “playing by the rules” Douthat misses out on the pleasure but still pays for the kids, while the players get the pleasure and pay no price….”

Alpha fucks, beta bucks.

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Opus May 4, 2012 at 12:42

I agree with MKP who is not concerned with female promiscuity ‘in and of itself’ – though whether a society can function properly with high levels of female promiscuity is perhaps a different matter – but regrettably female promiscuity is usually, in my experience, accompanied by two other things that I do not find very acceptable:

1. Denial that they are promiscuous, in other words an attempt to persuade and frequently would-be Beta providers that they are essentially chaste.

2. Attempts to smear any man who shows ordinary- and encouraged – heterosexual interest, as a stalker, or harrasser, thus not merely raising their SMV/MMV but lowering the unfortuate man’s in the process.

In short I object to the double standard or rather dishonesty, and it reveals that behind the you-go-girl sexually permissive attitude, women wish to have their cake and eat it, that is to say want sexual freedom but also demand to be treated as chaste. They cannot have both.

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Peter South May 4, 2012 at 13:16

@Lara “I don’t like this idea that they always need something new.”

Sorry but that’s how it is.

The only reason a man would stay with the same woman is to raise a family of his own and know that that family will not be taken from him.

That incentive is obviously gone so there is no reason for a man to sacrifice his natural desire to bang everything that moves.

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Peter South May 4, 2012 at 13:19

@Lara “I know guys like that, and they aren’t getting nearly as much sex as you think. Most of them seem pretty happy to have one decent girlfriend.”

Wrong guys.

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Reality May 4, 2012 at 13:21

@Opus “women wish to have their cake and eat it”

I came up with a new version of this line.. “wants their cake and everyone else’s too.” It seems to make a lot more sense, especially in regards to American women in 2012.

You might find this interesting- I have a daughter well into her twenties- very attractive, etc. One time she called and was very upset that there was a girl she worked with that was getting married to some rich guy that owned a business and was going to get to quit her job and just stay home and have babies.

She said, “why can’t I just have a man come sweep me off my feet and take care of me?” She was crying- very upset.

I asked her.. “so.. this guy – the wealthy business owner, he’s prob a pretty condervative type I would guess.. right?” She said, “yes, how did you know?” (The town she’s in made it a dead give away).

I said, “well, here’s the deal.. if you want to attract a guy like that then you’re going to have to make some pretty radical changes. First off, no more lunatic ‘partying’ going to nightclubs every night, stop smoking weed and cigarettes, and you’re going to have to learn to respect men a lot more and just generally become much more conservative. And you might have to.. get ready for it… oh my GOD, you might even need to wear a … DRESS!!!”

She freaked out, and immediately said, “Fuck THAT” the tears instantly dried up – “NOBODY is going to tell me what to do!!! Especially not a man!”

Sigh* I know what you’re thinking – doesn’t reflect welll on me, but I only got to be a part time father when she was young.

So there you have it in a nutshell- the whole festering sore of a situation in one true story. Women want men to play the traditional role while they simply do anything they want, not bound to any rules or accountability at all. So no one is happy- well, I guess except for lucky lady at her work- who is a rarity to be sure.

So my daughter wants her cake and everyone else’s too.

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Art Vandelay May 4, 2012 at 13:22

Far be it from me to try and control anyone’s sexuality. To MKPs suggestions I would also add that we should abolish legal marriage and automatic child support. This means you gotta earn your right to sleep around.

I know guys like that, and they aren’t getting nearly as much sex as you think. Most of them seem pretty happy to have one decent girlfriend.

How would you know how much sex anyone gets? I wouldn’t trust a man self-reporting those numbers. But we also have some studies.

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Hf May 4, 2012 at 13:39

LOL @Lara

Its awfully convenient that you always seem to “know” the type of person that is being talked about, yet the person you know “isn’t like that”.

And please, dont tell us what “men should be content” with, eh?

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Atlas May 4, 2012 at 13:46

@Reality May 4, 2012 at 13:21

Chivalry or Equality – PICK ONE!

Sigh, I feel for you man…

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American May 4, 2012 at 14:03

The White gender-feminist Establishment feed heavily off the labor of the broken, helpless, un-educated matriarchal underclass that they are manufacturing. Rarely does one see a person from the broken matriarchal underclass complain about patriarchy, its usually the gender-feminist establishment that are breaking others patriarchies, then harvesting their labors.

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American May 4, 2012 at 14:09

American Femi-Nazi are not just women, as their are some males also that feed off the matriarchal underclass of broken, fractured, helpless, un-educated laborers.

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Uncle Elmer May 4, 2012 at 15:12

When the Cowboy Said I Do by Crystal Green

Thunder Canyon golden-girl Holly Pritchett had come home—abandoned, alone…and pregnant! The last thing the mother-to-be wanted was for her condition to be broadcast all over town. That’s when sexy rancher Beauregard Clifton made her an offer she should have refused….

Now that he was running for mayor, Bo needed a wife. And Holly needed a husband and daddy for her baby. But from the moment he said “I do,” Bo was finding Holly—and her impending motherhood—absolutely irresistible! Stay tuned, loyal readers, and find out whether Thunder Canyon’s former playboy will turn a temporary arrangement into a permanent union—and an instant family!

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TFH May 4, 2012 at 15:32

As I often say…

80% 0f men (and 99% of women) just cannot ever, ever, ever comprehend Game. Or in this case, that sucking up to women will never get them what they want.

This is also why manginas/whiteknights are doubling down on their pedestalization. They just don’t know any other way.

Pretty soon, a pedestalizer spending $300 for a first date with a 6, only to get nothing, will be common.

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joeb May 4, 2012 at 15:36

Have not seen it yet , But iv seen the Mc ds commercial ware the Girl Actor 1 says”you deserve More , To actor 2 .witch goes into a psycho episode and screams out : Yes I should dump him ,I deserve Better , The end shows her eating a Large Meal with some other Guy (unknown actor ) .
Even Mc ds is playing on the Move up and get Better band wagon .

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TFH May 4, 2012 at 15:40

WF Price,

I’m starting to wonder whether a lot of the social conservatives’ angst about the sexual status quo isn’t a result of them feeling left out.

….Starting to wonder?

Your own 2009 essay, pre-Spearhead, had a similar conclusion about SoCons way back then.

“They justify their sadism by portraying themselves as defenders of virtuous, defenseless young maidens who, not coincidentally, are the objects of their lust. ”

“They are the Pharisees of today; the kinds of people who mask their avarice and lust with legal constructs and false piety. “

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Avenger May 4, 2012 at 15:55

Nothing is new or different with females. They are the same today as they were in the 80′so r 60′s. And the same Omega boys are still crying about not getting any pussy and about how nasty females are to them as today.Theonly real difference is one of degree. The benefits for females are a little better and it’s easier due to DNA testing to pin a paternity rap on men and also the means to get them to pay it. When the bebefits run out you’ll still have the same females around and they’ll figure out how to get money some other way.

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W.F. Price May 4, 2012 at 15:59

….Starting to wonder?

-TFH

Tongue in cheek.

TFH May 4, 2012 at 16:20

Tongue in cheek.

ah…Yes.

You were actually one of the very first to open my eyes with how deep the denial was among SoCons, with that 2009 article. Ferdinand wrote some things around the same time, but not as cleanly as you did.

I used to be a Republican. Now I have no party…..since there is no credible small-government party (nor is that even possible in any society where women have 90+ years of voting rights behind them).

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Jabberwocky May 4, 2012 at 17:01

I’m bored with all this well articulated logic and sophisticated analysis of cultural and moral decay.

I SUMMON UP! from the deepest, darkest bowels of matriarchal hell itself, from the most insane and asinine depths of the vast feminine collective, the most feared natural force ever seen rampaging across the torturous planes of feminine delusion…. BRITTANY THE SHE-BEAST!!! ARISE!! ARISE I SAY!! Come forth and blow thy furious winds of wrath and fury! I have a ‘Pedantic Penis of Bitch Slaying +2′ that I am waiting to cognitively cram into the crevices of your corpus collosum of convenient unaCUNTability! (I think big words make her gina tingle. Let’s see if I used the right ones to conjure up such a foul demon.)

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Ted May 4, 2012 at 17:43

Good grief,man. Make sure there are no gaps in the pentagram. You *do* have a pentagram, don’t you?

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LastCrucible May 4, 2012 at 18:23

@American

“The White gender-feminist Establishment feed heavily off the labor of the broken, helpless, un-educated matriarchal underclass that they are manufacturing. Rarely does one see a person from the broken matriarchal underclass complain about patriarchy, its usually the gender-feminist establishment that are breaking others patriarchies, then harvesting their labors.”

You speak the truth. Wrong forum, though.

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Avenger May 4, 2012 at 19:48

80% 0f men (and 99% of women) just cannot ever, ever, ever comprehend Game. Or in this case, that sucking up to women will never get them what they want.

Hmm I wonder what men did before this 17yo pipsqueak came along to enlighten them? lol

‘Pretty soon, a pedestalizer spending $300 for a first date with a 6, only to get nothing, will be common’

Stop projecting .

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Eric May 4, 2012 at 20:41

American;
The reason that you don’t hear the Underclass complaining about ‘patriarchy’ is because the don’t know what it means;
except that they’ve been taught in the public schools and mass media that, whatever it is, it must be bad. That’s about the limit of the Undercless’ reasoning powers.

The matriarchial Establsihment and the Underclass have always been linked. There’s never been a ‘rich vs. poor’ paradigm like the Marxists claim. It’s always been the top and bottom triangulating on the productive middle and leeching off them.

The Underclass always looks to the Upper as it’s protectors and dispensers of handouts and is taught to envy the working-class Middle. They depend on the Upper to take taxes from the Middle and redistribute the wealth.

The Upper always looks to the Underclass as dependable cannon-fodder to keep the Middle in check: either through the threat of withdrawing their protection and turning a crime wave loose on the Middle; or the threat of recruiting the Underclass into the police and military if the Middle becomes a little too insistant on its rights.

The Underclass is just as feminocentric as the Upper, although moreso in practice than in articulated ideology. The Underclass is largely made up of single-mother households; both males and females are utterly dependent on the Nanny State. What little education they have is funnelled to them through feminised social workers, public schools, and mass media. Even the thuggish, ghetto-culture ‘bad-boys’ who appeal to American women so much typically are dependent on such female enablers for what little they have.

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Anonymous Reader May 4, 2012 at 23:11

Douthat is just a whiner who probably got popped with towels in gym class on a regular basis. There’s a whole lot of the world he does not understand – most of it, in fact.

Stupid, ignorant, preppy.

As for the show in question, Keyster already nailed that.

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MarcusAurelius May 5, 2012 at 02:03

You forgot or ignored option three in this otherwise excellent article; that is:

3. Date and/or marry foreign women from countries that still adhere to traditional values.

The problem that I have with option 2 the game theory, is that many men, even if they are successful with it will begin to feel a sense of emptiness and futility about the whole thing. You can only have so many notches on your belt before it starts to all seem the same, and it hardly seems worth the pursuit anymore. You begin to wish some type of emotional connection like your parents or grandparents had was possible, but you know all too well from your experience in game that it is not. I know, I’ve been there. Some of us are forced to ride the carousel when that’s not what we really want. Loneliness will become an issue because when you know that no real or lasting emotional connection is possible, and you just have a warm body lying in your bed, you will begin to feel even more alone than if you were ghosting….that is….if you’re a thinking man. Some men truly are well suited for a life of game. But for the aforementioned reasons, I think my option 3 is a better choice for many of us.

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continent May 5, 2012 at 04:49

Result of generation change,
April/May 2012 issue of AARP magazine has a lengthy article
http://www.aarp.org/relationships/friends-family/info-03-2012/the-stranger-in-your-family.html
Quote ” Today people are free to abandon unfulfilling relationships says one therapist, but “what are we sacrificing for that freedom?”
The children of divorce are having suicidal thought about 10 times the annual average according to CDCP

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Avenger May 5, 2012 at 07:52

Marcus writes ‘You can only have so many notches on your belt before it starts to all seem the same, and it hardly seems worth the pursuit anymore’

I doubt very much if any of these gamer dweebs have that problem :)

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Old Guy May 5, 2012 at 11:34

The changes came after we changed the rules for voting. The US & UK became the richest most prosperous and most family friendly cultures ever when the only people who could vote were property owners, and only men could own property. Wives and children were the property of their men, which gave the men good reason to care for them and invest in their well being and future.

Basically, those doing the work and paying the bills got to decide who was elected to pass laws and they created a set of laws that created a society for the benefit of the workers and bill payers and their families.

Single moms, layabout cads, shirtless hipsters, and drunken brawlers didn’t have the vote so politicians couldn’t get their votes by offering them a free lunch at the expense of the working and bill paying class.

It was also common for gentlemen to go about armed, first with swords, and later with pistols, and they could and would use them on ruffians without any worry that they’d get in trouble for defending themselves or a damsel in distress.

If we went back to a standard that limited voting to males who owned property or paid income tax and allowed franchised males to carry and use arms for their own protection and the defense of the innocent and not be prosecuted for chivalrous behavior or self defense it would be a whole new world in a generation.

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Eric May 5, 2012 at 13:05

Avenger:
They do. The Gamecocks never advertise the number of false accusations, STDs, or other problems incurred among their ranks by pursuing American women.

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DelTaco May 5, 2012 at 15:36

“The pseudo-relationship that Dunham’s character, Hannah Horvath, is pursuing with a shirtless hipster layabout is a case study in the unearned sexual advantages that a culture that assumes a certain amount of promiscuity affords to underachieving and unworthy men. ”

Douthat is sort of concern trolling here. It’s a free country. These women are free to fuck whoever they want, so what’s it to him?

Notice it’s the men who are unworthy. Unworthy of who? These narcissistic, kind of dumpy, smug New York women? And who is he to say these men are unworthy? Who is he to decide when someone has *earned* sexual access?

Hey Harvard, here’s a tip, if being a certified nice guy isn’t getting you laid, don’t blame that on other guys who know what they want and go get it.

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Troll King May 5, 2012 at 15:38

@ Continent

That is a amazing link. The comments are telling too. It is all “ME ME ME Meeee” from those divorced baby boomers and they are projecting it onto their children and wondering how their children could be so mean.

I have actually known quite a few young men who have “divorced” their parents.

Feminist boomer women tried to take away fatherhood by turning men into walking wallets and spermdonors and they tried to become men in the pursuit of career and allowing daycare to raise their children and in the process they turned themselves into womb donors and deformed men instead of mothers.

Lolz.

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Paul Murray May 6, 2012 at 03:33

“If we went back to a standard that limited voting to males who owned property or paid income tax and allowed franchised males to carry and use arms for their own protection and the defense of the innocent and not be prosecuted for chivalrous behavior or self defense it would be a whole new world in a generation.”

I see this same problem with people who read Rand an Nietzsche. They always imagine that they personally are ubermenschen. None of them entertain the idea that in such a society, they would wind up as one of the poor, caddish louts who get the death penalty for laying eyes on a woman they don’t deserve at the hands of whichever rich fuck decides that he’s been offended.

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Eric May 6, 2012 at 13:47

Paul Murray:
This is exactly the position where most of libertarian-oriented thought collapses. They universally make the assumption that, in the absence of authority, the collective mind will automatically default to enlightened self-interest and rational choices. The French and Russian Revolutions are good examples of what really happens when that it is actually put into practice. So too with the liberal idea of universal sufferage. The Weimar Republic lived and died with that philosophy.

In effect, ‘Old Guy’ is right in that what he describes was better. But the social infrastructure for returning to it doesn’t exist any longer, so your prediction about trying to reinstate today would be the more likely outcome.

Probably the best way to change the system is the same approach we’ve been taking towards feminism—speak out against it, stop enabling it, and look for alternatives.

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Old Guy May 6, 2012 at 21:05

@Paul Murray:
“I see this same problem with people who read Rand an Nietzsche. They always imagine that they personally are ubermenschen. None of them entertain the idea that in such a society, they would wind up as one of the poor, caddish louts who get the death penalty for laying eyes on a woman they don’t deserve at the hands of whichever rich fuck decides that he’s been offended.”

I don’t believe such and event is likely unless you have a society where the Aristocracy has run wild, and is operating without restraint. An unlikely occurrence in a society where laws are written by a legislature elected by all those who own property or pay taxes. The center of gravity such a legislature would be the sensible middle class. Such a response would violate the standards of proportionality that are almost always written into self defense laws.

That very event can happen to any of us today. People are regularly attacked by common thugs for unfortunate glances, or because their cell phone can be sold for enough cash to finance an evening of drink and drugs, or simply because the thugs are bored, and the chances they will face prison time for their crime is quite low. The police and courts do little to protect the respectable folk because these low lifes are members of a class that is politically courted by one of the political parties and to hold them accountable for their behavior would be discrimination.

You make the assumption that only the extremes are possible. That to stop allowing one class of people to vote to have the government give them another class’ wealth, and to rein in bad behavior in public means a return to the Feudal System. There is an in between, and it existed until a century ago in both the UK and the US. Among the characteristics of this culture was franchising property owning males only, an armed citizenry, strong social pressure to be a respectable citizen, and no palatable choice for women other than to be a respectable wife.

I know we cannot return to Victorian times, but we could shift back to some behavioral standards and legal concepts that have been proven to work better than the current ones. We could make it less profitable for women to divorce, we could make street crime more risky, we could reduce the number of people living on the dole and increase the hardships if you chose not to work.

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Eric May 7, 2012 at 00:00

Lara:
‘I know guys like that and they aren’t get as much sex as you think.’

That’s probably half-true. I’ve always doubted that these clods were good at sex when they aren’t good at anything else. Besides, how much sex could they be having when they spend so much time, stoned, in hospitals, or in jails?

The reason that most of these bums have women at all is because you women throw yourselves at them. Those jackasses you see on the streets making catcalls at any passing female aren’t doing it because women are rejecting them, LOL.

‘Most of them would be happy to have one decent girlfriend.’

Sure, and because these louts have such a massive entitlement mentality, that ‘decent girlfriend’ they all want is way beyond anything they actually deserve. I know these kinds of dolts too. They complain that the Section 8 apartment that they get for free from the government doesn’t have a jacuzzi. They complain that the Food Stamp Program doesn’t allow them to buy $8/bottle micro-brewed beer. The world owes them, not only a living, but better than anyone else who works for it has.

I know a lot of women who are supporting idiots just like these. These rats are still never satisified, and always on the make for ‘a bigger, better deal.’

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Abides May 7, 2012 at 04:55

They complain that the Section 8 apartment that they get for free from the government doesn’t have a jacuzzi. They complain that the Food Stamp Program doesn’t allow them to buy $8/bottle micro-brewed beer. The world owes them, not only a living, but better than anyone else who works for it has.

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That’s just (REAGAN! REAGAN! REAGAN!) malicious imagination spewing paranoid lies about strapping young bucks wolfing down t-bone steaks and welfare queens cruising in their Cadillacs.

Unless you are talking about the trillions of free dollars that the Fed and Treasury have given to the financial and managerial superior beings who truly believe that “The world owes them, not only a living, but better than anyone else who works for it has.”

The poor who get some form of income/health insurance aree overwhelmingly down-and-out and hard working, and try really hard to make do with very little. There are several studies of welfare recipients that show that they try hard to make the most of every dollar, as this old book illustrates anedoctally: http://www.amazon.com/Dear-Self-Year-Welfare-Mother/dp/0979228107
As to the working poor, this book illustrates their hard scrabble lives:
http://www.amazon.com/Nickel-Dimed-Not-Getting-America/dp/0312626681/

At least the malicious lies you write have a long if dishonorable history, they were being said with nearly identical words by the English about the Irish during the Great Potato Famine:

http://irishstereotype.blogspot.com/2010/01/racism-anti-irish-cartoons.html

What’s outrageous is not that income/health insurance exists and a tiny percentage (around 0.5% in most first-world countries) abuse it, but that it is so heavily skewed against men.

Men down on their luck, especially divorced men, are treated so much worse than women down on their luck. And this is largely the result of SoCon elitists pedestalization of women and infinite spite again other men, especially darkskinned ones.

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Strong Man May 8, 2012 at 11:17

Above: Douthat is married to a good-looking woman. She’s probably conservative, committed, and has a zero or very low partner count. She’ll probably be keeping him happy for a long time. Don’t ignore this.

@ Reality–love your story. Well-put. Equality OR Chivalry.

Believe it or not, I have personally met conservative women who are virgins at age 25. Those women have managed to control their natural urges, make decent decisions, and are discriminating among men. They are attracted to men who have similar qualities. They want stability and see an ability to provide long-term as an attractive trait. Perhaps, to them, being a “beta provider” can even be an alpha trait.

I’ve met them. A few are even attractive. Most are married by the time they’re 25 or so.

Yes, they’re rare. Very rare. But they do exist. Douthat probably found one. Conservative, successful men like @Reality’s daughter’s friend’s husband are on the lookout for these women, snatch them up quickly, and manage to keep them married. They don’t tend to be on the single scene very long, and they don’t tend to divorce quickly.

Perhaps Douthat’s dream world of rewards for men who keep their pants on still exists for a small fractional subset of the conservative population? Maybe this subset is even growing and will continue to grow as people realize the tragedies of promiscuity?

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Eric May 8, 2012 at 13:09

Strongman:
‘They’re very rare, but they do exist”

Few of us argue that they do exist, the problem is that the numbers are too small to make searching for/pursuing them worthwhile.

‘They don’t tend to be on the single scene very long.’

Exactly. These types of women are in such demand among men that it’s almost like trying to buy some limited-edition item: sold out before you get to the store! Again, very little purpose in a man’s looking for one.

‘Maybe this subset is growing’
Highly unlikely. The subset will grow as more daughters born to foreign women in the US start coming of age. Feminism, like Communism, is going to have to fall under its own weight.

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Paul Murray May 8, 2012 at 20:55

“I’m starting to wonder whether a lot of the social conservatives’ angst about the sexual status quo isn’t a result of them feeling left out.”

Hell yeah. It’s also why they oppose contraception, abortion of even a couple of cells, and decent sex education. They *want* the young people to destroy their lives with pregnancies.

Why?

Spite.

There’s no other word quite so apt. Spiteful old people, who resent the youth of the young. That’s what it’s about.

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Matt May 9, 2012 at 15:20

Paul, You are WRONG WRONG WRONG! I have been a so con for many years, from when I was young till now. I am 50, the reasons for the morality I believe in has nothing to do with spite.

What you may find hard to believe, is that the Saving of Souls is what motivates a lot of SocCons. Yes some of us may come off as spiteful, but maybe that is due to us being ridiculed ie Dan Savage, and forced to pay for the schools that work overtime to undermine the we try to teach our kids.

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Matt May 9, 2012 at 15:27

Yes, some of us may come off as spiteful, but maybe that one symptom by having our values being ridiculed in public by the likes of Dan Savage, et al; forced to pay for the schools that work overtime to undermine the VALUES and TRADITIONS we try to teach our kids.

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American May 9, 2012 at 18:51

Matt, dan savage is one nasty dude.

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Anonymous age 70 May 11, 2012 at 14:41

And, I am 70, and envy has nothing to do with it.

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Auntie Pheminizm May 13, 2012 at 14:35

> “our ‘shepherd status’ as men.”

Dunno. Sounds like “Promise Keepers” shite to me. You know, that group formed by a failed man who wanted other men to atone for his sins by gathering (for a price, of course) in football stadiums. They wailed and wept and promised to be saints despite having penises. Pathetic.

Talk about mass hysteria: PK was mass masochism!

> “women are profoundly deficient in the logic/rational thinking”

Oh really? So-called “logical/rational” males pick woman to bear their children who later turn out to be misandric nutters. How rational is that?

> “we must accept that they have a profoundly limited capacity to rectify their poor behavior.”

C’mon! Ever try to get men to unite in a MRM? They will either fight the idea tooth-and-nail or talk everyone to death. Meanwhile “irrational” women commandeer catbird seats. So which gender has a problem rectifying its poor behavior?

I suspect a lot of men pedestalized women, then got the wake-up-call after hearing females fart…and/or snore in bed. That is, they failed to see women as humans until it was too late.

Later, alerted by scouts that a feminist army was approaching, the same men who’d been clueless about their wives were clueless about the women’s movement. They felt personally immune (being “good guys”) and “knew” THEIR mates were trustworthy (after all, they’d picked them from all the women in the world). So they were easy pickin’s in divorce courts. Now they want to blame all women.

Talk about being irrational!

What kind of “leaders” walk into Family Court like sheep to slaughter?

> “Accountability is born of rational thought.”

Try “experience.”

Feminism is not “rational.” Yet it prevails because millions of men underestimated its impact.

> “Rational thought is largely the province of men.”

So what? It’s a liability, too.

Living mostly in their “rational” left-brains, guys miss millions of cues that their right-brain should pickup. You know, like when “cool-headed” CIA agents lose their jobs because they tried to stiff a “mere” female hooker. Like the professor in BLUE ANGEL.

Douthat seems smart. Is he any fun?

If women want “rationality” they’ll read books. If they want well-rounded men, where do they go? Ever hear socon men talk about how to orally pleasure women?

The passivity of men that let feminism metastasize. Guys who CLAIMED to love their kids did nothing to stop them being taken away.

Such bravery!

Had their favorite sports team threatened to move, they would have marched in the streets. But threaten to take their kids and money and cars and assets and they’ll do nothing, save grouse online about how “irrational” women are (you know, the sex that always wins in court).

Like I’ve said many times, “rational” men act like Martians came down one night and changed cultures. Even today, 40-50 years after feminism first slapped their collective face, men still don’t have a national group.

And still talk about “things taking time.”

Anything to keep from actually acting. Easier, after all, to blame women.

> “We must stop appealing to a capacity in women that is nonexistent: accountability.”

Right. And just how “accountable” have men been per gender issues these last 4-5 decades? A fair “accounting” would say savvy women won while self-proclaimed “rational” men whined.

And I HATE the word “whining.” But my goddess, how deluded can men be to think rationality is the key when feminists just skirt (!) around it?

> “The issue we ‘little guys’ face is an issue of power; specifically, a lack of it.”

Because they refused to garner it!

> “We lack the power of reward and punishment over our women.”

Then marry 12 year old girls!

I’d have thought, though, that adult men would seek out adult women, not creatures to have “power” over.

Sorry, but men are in the boat they are in because they built that boat. At any time they could have countered feminism. Men, after all, created advertising and mass media and the arts of suasion. But they chose not to. So women’s groups won by default.

Men did it to themselves.

> “We should pursue the power to enforce the morals we wish to see exhibited in our women and children.”

Keerist! Men did jackshit to stop feminist from taking their progeny and property and now dare to huff-and-puff about “morals”?

> “Presently, that power is being held my a nefarious state apparatus.”

Puhleez. Why not blame Bigfoot, too?

The “state apparatus” has the power men gave it by their passivity and inaction. To now blame Big Mother for taking the power men gave it is like a guy blaming a casino for robbing him when he threw all his money in a toilet.

Now, do you think the “backward” Taliban would ever let women or governments take THEIR kids away?

HINT: Feminism is the Taliban in the West.

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Auntie Pheminizm May 13, 2012 at 15:05

Two problems with promiscuity: numbers and motivation. If a woman sleeps with 100 guys, what makes you think she will stop/settle with you?

And if she does, will that be mostly due to her having lost her youth and looks?

And what if the root-cause of her compulsive sex is not addressed?

Compound that with her dating a man who didn’t score much but wanted to…and problems arise.

Feminism is a self-cleaning oven. By driving men away, government monies from males that fund “women’s issues” will dry up. By stressing careers over kids, many women will lose out to biological clocks and/or have less kids. Ergo, demographics will ensure that immigrant groups that value large families will eventually take over.

Feminists are like Shakers: doomed to die out.

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