Good Sex, Bad Sex

by W.F. Price on May 2, 2012

There’s been a major shift in the public attitude concerning what is proper sex since the sexual revolution of the 1960s. When I was a kid in the 1980s, it was already taken for granted that sexual mores from earlier times were outdated, and only backwards dinosaurs adhered to them. For example, the idea that there’s anything wrong with extramarital sex has been laughed at for decades now. Additionally, old taboos concerning other sexual activities, despite clear evidence of their danger in the form of AIDS, divorce, etc., were portrayed as out of date and oppressive. Pornography was deemed legitimate political speech and therefore a right, and obscenity laws repealed.

To listen to the supporters of the sexual revolution, you’d think this would have led us to some sexual utopia where everyone’s sexual needs are met with no problem, but the human impulse to control sexuality returned in fairly short order, only in a different form. The result is that today, we still face a great – perhaps even greater – amount of control where sex is concerned, and a lot more people are locked up for sex crimes than in the bad old days of “oppression.” What compounds this problem is that it’s possible that even more men are sexually repressed now than a hundred years ago.

Today, there are essentially two kinds of bad sex: “nonconsensual” sex and sex with underage people. The bad actors in this regime are overwhelmingly male for a couple reasons. First, forcible rape is far more likely to be committed by males than females, for obvious reasons. Secondly, men generally prefer younger partners and women older. One could argue that prostitution remains in the “bad sex” category, but prostitution is increasingly held to be an example of male sexual exploitation. Examples from Superbowl sex hysteria and the Secret Service scandal highlight this. Essentially, prostitution has begun to fall under the nonconsensual or rape category. Pioneering Swedish legislation that only punishes johns for prostitution transactions will probably be introduced in the US soon, and then the process will be complete.

While only a few fringe characters have ever argued that rape or pedophilia is justifiable, what’s wrong with all this is that practically no female sexual behavior is currently seen as negative, whereas men are responsible for almost all of what’s deemed bad sex. Not all that long ago, this was far from the case. While rape has always been seen as the most serious sex crime, neither fornication nor adultery were held to be innocent activities, and women were seen as equal participants in these acts. In fact, in the majority of cases, a woman was just as responsible for “bad sex” as a man. Where prostitution was concerned, females were held to be more responsible than their clients, just as drug dealers are held to higher level of accountability than drug buyers, because they profit from the transaction.

However, lest we try to draw parallels, it should be recognized that most of what society considered bad sex was not criminalized until relatively recently. Fornication, sodomy, prostitution and adultery were definitely frowned upon, but they were not typically formally punished until the Victorian era. In the US, it wasn’t until the mid-20th century that these laws were widespread and regularly enforced. Nevertheless, people were a lot more careful about engaging in these activities, because social consequences could be severe.

Since then, aside from a brief period from the late 60s to early 70s when there was a sort of sexual free-for-all in the West, we’ve seen a steady crackdown on male sexuality combined with a loosening of restrictions on female sexuality. What has happened is that the entire burden of sexual control has been increasingly foist upon men, while women’s load has been lightened.

Probably the most important and liberating change for women has been the relaxation of the social prohibition on fornication. In the old days, fornication was definitely seen as bad sex. A loose woman was considered socially irresponsible and wicked for a number of reasons. She could lure a husband from his wife, seduce a young, naive man and capture him in a marriage against his interests, and have illegitimate children who became a burden on the community. Such a woman was not seen as marriage material. In general, men preferred virgin brides. Today, of course, the virgin bride is as rare as the horse and buggy.

A lot of men might say we have it a lot better than in those times, because “sex is easy and available” now whereas it used to be more difficult to obtain. I’m not sure I agree. Fornication is as much a risk for men as ever, and probably more so, because now only men are held responsible for the consequences. Get a woman pregnant and it’s on you. Sleep with a couple women, make one angry and jealous, and you risk a rape accusation. Sleeping with a married woman is another good way to get accused of rape if she changes her mind and decides to stay with her husband. Sleep with a woman who said she was 19, she turns out to be 17, and you’re in trouble. Visit a prostitute and you could be arrested or, if she tells the press, lose your career. There isn’t much of a difference from the old days, and you’re more likely to face jail time for slipping up. For men, fornication is clearly still bad sex. Possibly even more so than it was when it was generally recognized as such.

For women, on the other hand, the benefits are clear. Fornication has virtually no social consequences and the most minimal of risks. Pregnancies can be easily avoided, and if wanted the man will be forced to pay child support whether he committed or not. Male lovers can be easily controlled and kept in line, and as many taken as any woman pleases. Women even go so far as to proudly march in slutwalks to further demand rights to behave sexually in any manner they please. The slutwalk was actually very clear in demanding more of the status quo, i.e. less control of female sexuality and more control of male. For women, particularly young and attractive ones, this has been a real bonanza. But what has it done for society?

Let’s see…

Marriage rates dropping precipitously, men taking path of least resistance and dropping out, illegitimacy skyrocketing, class divisions hardening, children growing up fatherless and with fewer options. For most of us, it’s been quite negative.

I wish I could say there was a solution to the problem, but it looks pretty hopeless. The alternative to what used to be seen as bad sex – marriage – has been all but destroyed by the liberation of female sexuality and the redefinition of marriage as little more than a federal tax status; a sort of very risky corporation with arbitrary rules. The result is that for men, there is really no such thing as “good sex,” that is, socially-approved sex — it’s a risk no matter what. Furthermore, a society in which the overwhelming majority of women are fornicators gives men no choice; you just aren’t getting a wife in the traditional sense of the word, so why bother with marriage?

I think men ought to realize that we got suckered in this deal, and perhaps we should have listened to the old sages who have warned us over the centuries. We overreached in our naivete, thinking we’d get more of what we desire if we only tossed out the old attitudes, but all we ended up with was more responsibility and fewer rewards.

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OhioStater May 2, 2012 at 06:20

You missed one…women consider it bad sex if another woman has sex with an inferior partner (not alpha enough, etc).

In the old days, it was understood that a woman might have an inferior partner because she was forced by her family, church, or social circle to pick from a small set of men, near her in circumstances.

Now, there is no such restriction and choosing poorly merely reflects negatively on the woman, hence the disapproval.

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J May 2, 2012 at 06:23

Well written Price. I wholeheartedly agree. You left out all the violence that has been going on though from fatherless “youth.” Most of their mothers cry they need more libraries, parks, and better schools. However, the “sex revolution” has shown the dark underbelly of modern liberalism, and the media are all but loathe to hide it. I’m not sure I should be without a gun in the next year or so as I do have a family. If we buy more public institutions for them, they are more apt to just burn them to the ground.

Civilizations have learned over thousands of years why sexuality needed to be maintained between a man and a woman whose families had kept them “pure.” I myself wish I had done that, would have saved myself a whole lot of grief, and been even more succesful then what I have been. However, this just means I have seen from personal experience what it can do, and my consequences have been relatively light! I am blessed to be fortunate, and forgiven. I know I don’t deserve it. Traditional customs were kept for a reason, one need only look at the news to see what they were afraid of. It had nothing to do with oppression, but freedom by maintaining boundaries!

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freebird May 2, 2012 at 07:00

It used to be: ” A chicken in very pot, and a car in every garage.”
Now it’s: “A policeman in every bedroom.”

Just say “NO” to wicked law enforcement.
(Power is the ultimate drug!)

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Eric Wolf May 2, 2012 at 07:01

The situation is certainly completely fucked if you’re an average guy looking for a wife and family.
Fortunately for me, I’m not interested in either.
So, with a few key precautions taken, anyone like myself can thoroughly enjoy the long, slow decline of civilization with plenty of no-strings-attached sex with disposable sluts. I think of them as cheap used cars. No point in making much effort at upkeep. Just run them into the ground and drop them in the junkyard when the wheels fall off.

As far as the potential pitfalls of FRAs or unintended kids; never give them your real name or let them know where you live. Also, if you don’t live in a large city or travel a lot, make sure to pick out a hunting ground a good hour away from where you live. A nomadic existence is the ideal for this lifestyle.
If you don’t actually live a nomadic lifestyle, make up a fake persona that you don whenever you go out hunting for a piece of strange. The process of creating one can even be fun in and of itself.

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Buckwheater May 2, 2012 at 07:04

Weren’t there laws in the US criminalizing heterosexual oral and anal sex up until very recently? No one probably got persecuted for that, but oral sex certainly wasn’t as common as it is now and it WAS criminalized. Many more males than today were virgins upon entering marriage. Most males had sex with one female all their life. Males would suffer more if you disincentivized women from engaging in prostitution. There is already a lack of eligible women in the prostitution business and it is the pimps / brothels who seek women out (demand is higher than women’s availability for prostitution).

“For women, particularly young and attractive ones, this has been a real bonanza.”

Young and attractive women constitute a very small part of the overall female population.

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Jacko May 2, 2012 at 07:09

Anyone interested in what Welmer has to say in this post would be well advised to read F. Roger Devlin’s magnum opus, “Sexual Utopia in Power”. For those of you who don’t know, I don’t think I’m exaggerating by saying that Dr. Devlin is the intellectual father of the manosphere:

http://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/sexualutopia.pdf

Welmer despairs that nothing can be done to reverse the trends of the last 40 years and he’s probably right. But this doesn’t mean that we should do nothing. Men can produce positive change as long as we act in unison by doing the following:

1. Shun promiscuous women. Ask women their “number” [not their phone number!]. If the number is more than zero or she refuses to answer, don’t waste any time with her. Shun her. Women hate being made to feel dirty or undervalued. Shunning promiscuous women now should encourage the younger generation of women to be less promiscuous.

2. Bring back slut shaming. Slutwalks should be illegal and their organizers arrested. Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Beyonce and the like should be banned from radio and video airplay and denounced as the sluts or slut enablers that they are.

3. Repeal no fault divorce laws. Courts need to determine who is at fault for causing marital breakup. If a woman cheated on a good husband because she was bored, she has to pay the price for that – no child custody, no equalization of net family property and no spousal support.

4. Benefits for single mothers need to be cut. A woman should not be able to ditch her husband and should not choose an unreliable “bad boy” to have kids with and then expect the government to foot the bill for her fatherless children.

5. A new Hollywood Code should be introduced similar to the Hays Code in the 1930s. The Code would compel film producers to portray sluts, skanks, bad boys and players in a negative light and portray modest, traditional, dutiful men and women in a positive light. You might say that censorship will produce bad films. I don’t agree. The vast majority of the greatest Hollywood films were made from the 1930s to the early 1960s under the Hays Code.

6. Shame players. Although I love Roissy as much as anyone, no civilized society can function properly if it allows players to do as they please. We in the manosphere put most of the blame for the present circumstances on women, but the fact is that a lot of young women don’t know much about life and just aren’t very smart. We need to take steps to protect these naive lasses from predators. Players should be shamed and, if necessary, physically restrained.

There are a number of other measures that I could mention, but I think these are the main ones. Just because the odds are against us, that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t speak the truth about what should be done. The power is in our hands. The hard part is acting in unison.

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Poiuyt May 2, 2012 at 07:14

There is a broader context encompassing the third category of “bad sex” for which men are putatively cast as characteristically bad actors: I.e Sex with any and all women.

In this society, sex by men with any and all women has become contructively “bad sex” and tantamountly punishable, punished or exploited for all the reasons stated in this article … but there are more contextual reasons for this abberation.

Over here at least, natural resourses to be dug up from the earth and more higher up the value-chain products, to be synthesised and sold for money have peaked, are plateauing out or even dwindling. This society, now desperate to address this resource-depletion must redefine or recreate new and further exploitable free resourses.

Unfortunately for us males, we are the only legally, because culturally viable, target class-group, to satisfy this socio-economic category of aggregate demand. What’s being done to us cannot ever be acceptably done to anyone else collectively or individually in this society … least of all to women.

Dependant on the kind of society foundations in question, males stand at serious existential risk of structurally becomming very, very,very valuable tools, implements, utensils, objects and resources devoid of humanity. And for these purposes, it is most convenient to ignore, to dimminish, or to totally deny the obvious realities of masculinity and in particular, the real biologic value of masculine sexuality.

In this society, males always having been wrongly defined and mal-identified as sex buyers from female sex sellers, were always going to end up underneath the increasingly bankrupt social structure. A social economic and cultural structure, that sees especially men, not as fully human sex-sellers on par with women, but merely beasts of burden, not having any collective or individual interest in their own sexual power and bargaining position.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 07:26

Inflatable sheep work for me.

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W.F. Price May 2, 2012 at 07:57

Sexual freedom, and all freedoms, are a good thing.

-Brittney

How so?

Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 07:58

OooooH ! Some used up old bint called Britney has really spit her dummy out. I bet she is fat has small tits false teeth and grey hair and had enough cock up her to build a hand rail around the statue of liberty.

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 08:04

Brittney, we certainly do understand women. You women have spoken for men for over 45 years. Now, we are going to speak for you.

I am reminded of a little boy I once knew. He would take a towel and put it over his head, and then say, “Find me!” Since he couldn’t see anyone, he assumed he was invisible.

So it is with the highly complex American woman hood. Totally narcissistic and selfish, they imagine no mere male could every understand their complex personalities. Hohoho hahaha heeheehee.

This board is intended for men. So, why are you here? Oh, yes, you want to speak for us.

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Buckwheater May 2, 2012 at 08:05

Oddsock, why would you care so much about her looks? Weren’t you exclusively into sheep? :) Inflatable ones, that is.

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 08:11

>>You say that men are punished for rape and sex with minors… um, do you think this is a bad thing? These acts were illegal before women’s lib in any case so I fail to see your point.

Not exactly. Before around 1970′s, if a 21 year old man had sex with a 15 year old girl, he often was given the choice to marry her and support her, instead of automatic prison.

A girl younger than the law states can have sex with any man of any age, and there is no penalty. In fact, the first sex average for girls is 16, which means almst half have sex younger than that. At no age is there any penalty for a girl having sex with older boys, even if she is 10 years old. 14; 16; it matters not.

As Mr. Price so eloquently stated, the ‘under age’ female is never prosecuted, though clearly to participate in felony sex means she is an accomplice.

Also, before the late 70′s, sexually active girls were sent to reform school. It was a crime to be a sexually active female minor. No more. The only thing that is a crime for a woman today is to be an adult who has sex with one of her underage students.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 08:12

Brittney

Oddsock,

Considering your wit and creativity I have absolutely no idea why you must resort to inflatable sheep.

Well, seeing as you ask, they are much tighter cleaner disease free and far less expensive than a modern woman and with a much better personality.

And thats just for starters my little lotus blossom.

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W.F. Price May 2, 2012 at 08:14

Price,

I am a champion of personal freedoms. I think all adults should be free to engage in whichever activities they so choose as long as they aren’t impinging upon others’ freedoms.

-Brittney

So should men be free to marry ten wives? Should men be free to contract for sex with any willing adult woman?

Hmm, how about tell women at work they want to have sex with them? How about become a street busker when they have a child support order? I mean, that isn’t impinging on anyone’s freedom…

Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 08:16

Some years ago, there was a protest against fluoride in the drinking water. It allegedly caused a variety of illnesses. Watching American women in action it became apparent to me that the real harm of fluoride in the water was that it mixes with estrogen and destroys brain tissue. Brittney clearly drinks a lot of water.

Thank you for participating, Brittney. Over the years I have found when women enter the debate, it helps the MRA side. Your words do more to convince men to expat than anything I could ever say.

As far as Oddsock, he clearly finds inflatable sheep to be better in the sack than American women like you.

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 08:24

>>I don’t know why you think women have spoken for 45 years, and even if they have, why it would then make it correct for you to speak for women. For someone who is supposedly 70, you sound like a 12 year-old.

Thanks again. Please carry on. It is so much easier to let a woman make a total fool of herself than to type that she is a fool.

As far as women speaking for men for 45 years, that is simple history. Way back around 1970, who wrote articles telling what men think; and feel?

Her name was Dr. Joyce Brothers. Others came after her. Any man who tried to speak for himself immediately had his career terminated, ala Larry Summers. If that didn’t work, they then filed false charges against him.

You clearly know nothing about what men think of women like you. It is always a big shock for an AW to come to a man’s board and find the anger and hostility here. From years of experience, you assume all you have to do is use some shaming language, and men will whine and beg forgiveness.

Many years ago, a man, I think named Toffler, wrote a book, called FUTURE SHOCK. When change comes too fast, some people cannot keep up.

In the 60′s, when feminism first started taking away any accountability from women, and all rights from men, men suffered from Future Shock.

After 45 years of feminism, men have finally had enough. Now it is women like you who suffer from future shock. Men are no longer rolling over after a few childish insults from an obnoxious woman. And, it scares the bejabbers out of ‘women’ like you.

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 08:25

>>I would think a clever man with a personality like yours would have his choice of women.

Cousin zero. He does have his choice of women, and he prefer inflatable sheep. How simple does it get?

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 08:25

>>Again I must express my surprise at your inability to attract tight, clean, disease-free women.

The problem is, there aren’t any.

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Ted May 2, 2012 at 08:26

“to attract tight, clean, disease-free women.”

You don’t get it, Brittney. It’s a *sheep*. And it’s *inflatable*.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 08:28

Brittney

Correct, I did, and that is why I moved to inflatable sheep. It’s not easy being a stud muffin and having to deal with the badly damaged and deluded modern female. Keep posting though, you bring back memories.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 08:29

Anonymous aged 70

Interesting comments on Fluoride. Have you seen this documentary ?
Scary stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aTfyo0Xz_c&feature=player_embedded

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 08:30

>>Marriage is a legal contract that is recognized by the state. Given that it was created to give certain rights, privileges and responsibilities (legal and financial in nature) to two parties,

Back in 1984, I challenged men to tell me any legal benefit men get from marriage, even including sex, and 28 years later, I am still waiting for an answer.

Just because women get many benefits from marriage does not mean men do. The only benefits men get are at the whim of Cupcake, and whimsical marriages are not too desirable.

As far as contract, there is no marriage contract. Contracts have penalties for being broken. Women file almost all divorces, and studies (by feminists at that) show most divorces do not involve any real problems.

My own ten years of counseling divorced men showed that almost always women file for divorce after their own adultery.

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Glenn May 2, 2012 at 08:30

Hey Brittney! I would advise you to be more shrill, emotionally reactionary, nagging, and perfect your obvious cognitive dissonance.

But, to your post:

ASSERTION
“most young men love having access to casual sex without having to do much in return.”
RESPONSE
So, most men have access to unlimited amounts of casual sex? False assumption, for the win!

ASSERTIONS
“You are incredibly myopic if you really think women have nothing to fear from sex.”
RESPONSE
No more so than men? Unless you are ready to proclaim that all sex is rape, which I would not doubt at this point.

ASSERTION
“Women bear most of the burden for unplanned pregnancies.”
RESPONSE
So, no child support, no welfare, no WIC, no “heroic single mom” paradigm? And for men, no child support garnishments? No passport revoked or jail time for men that fail to pay child support, even if they simply can not find a job?

ASSERTION
“And why should the guy’s commitment to the woman impact whether he has to pay child support? It’s child support, not mom support.”
RESPONSE
Absolute, unadulterated bullshit. The mans initial choice was the have *sex*, not a *baby*. Extortion by any other name. And your claim that child support payments actually go to the upkeep of the child as opposed to the typical mothers weekend drinking binges is laughable, at best.

ASSERTION
“The ways in which you try to excuse men from all responsibility for their behavior while demonizing women is just laughable.”
RESPONSE
Ah yes, so women do not engage in “accidental” pregnancies? Likewise, if women do not wish to be demonized, perhaps they should refrain from behaving like demons?

ASSERTION
“You say that men have fewer sexual freedoms and men more, but you haven’t listed any real ways in which men are more sexually restricted, so you seem primarily unhappy that women have more sexual freedom than they did in the past.”
RESPONSE
Lets see, male teacher has sex with 14 year old female student. The male teachers life is destroyed, jail is likely, and he will then be hounded, harassed, and slandered by the vagina mafia for the remainder of his days, provided he is not driven to suicide. ..intentionally.
Conversely, female teacher has sex with a 14 year old male student. She is immediately declared a victim, hoards of feminists swoop in to defend her, unsupervised probation instead of jail time, she makes a mint on a juicy book deal with Oprah, then as icing on the cake she sues the male student for child support when he turns 18.

VERDICT:
Obvious troll is obvious. Case dismissed, with prejudice.

P.S. As a result of Brittney stomach-turning diatribe, I have decided to give my hot, young foreign wife a nice foot massage when she gets home from work tonight. Keep up the good work, feminazis!

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freebird May 2, 2012 at 08:31

She’s not concerned with internet truth when in real life she has an army of blue knights ready to do her proxy violence for her.
She is truly “empowered.”
Well she’s said- ” You can’t get laid.”
And “you dummy head you.”
Now should come “small penis” and finally
“I’m afraid of you, I’m calling the authoritah.”

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 08:31

>>Interesting comments on Fluoride. Have you seen this documentary ?
Scary stuff.

No, but I have watched as AW have had their brains eaten away.

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 08:05
” Price,
I am a champion of my personal freedoms. I think I should be free to engage in whichever activities I so choose as long as I can plausibly deny impinging upon others’ freedoms. ”

Fixed

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 08:39

Hey, Brittney. I realize that like most AW you hate older men, right?

Not so here in Mexico. About 6 years ago, I discovered a 14 year old girl was head over in love with me. Scared me half to death, but a friend said that is common here, and to just treat her the same and she would outgrow it, but would never forget me. And, so it is.

A year later, a 20 something had a friend ask me if I wanted her as a mistress.

About once a year a young woman, around 22 average, hits on me. And, for over 2 years now, a hot 22 year old, married with 2 kids, has been hitting on me a lot.

I realize you know so much more about everything on the planet than any stupid old man.

I do not agree a man is obliged to support his children. If the woman wants a man to support her children, she maintains her virginity until he marries her, then, she does not leave him for the first alpha who wants her.

Here, let me show you what women like you have done for yourselves:

Number of Marriages per 1,000
Unmarried Women Age 15 and
Older, by Year, United States:

1922 99 (found on Web)
1960 73.5
1961 72.2
1962 71.2
1963 73.4
1964 74.6
1965 75.0
1966 75.6
1967 76.4
1968 79.1
1969 80.0
1970 76.5
1972 77.9
1975 66.9
1977 63.6
1980 61.4
1983 59.9
1985 56.2
1987 55.7
1990 54.5
1991 54.2
1992 53.3
1993 52.3
1995 50.8
2000 46.5
2004 39.9
2007 39.2 (Rutgers 2009)
2008 37.4 (Rutgers 2009)
2009 36 (UVA 2010; project moved from Rutgers)
2010 34.2 Unverified estimate from Pew

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freebird May 2, 2012 at 08:41

Brit:
All you’ve done is recite the list of male shaming techniques.
That no longer works-here.
Your attempts at logic=fail.
We know your agenda,and it’s anti-male.

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 08:43

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J May 2, 2012 at 08:43

WOW! I come back after an hour, and this flae from the mouth throwing harpy comes calling.

The only reason I am maybe going to regret this Britt is that having you here, and continuing to make these comments is great “education” for our younger, less experienced men.

Anyways, though I am obviously going to fail, I will point some things out to attempt to enlighten you!

1. You stated that men should have to pay child support. Are you saying that women never should?

More then likely it is because 5 to 1 women get the kids and everything, if there is any.

2. You seem to think that access to a bunch of fire breathing, hydra-pussy, man-shaming harpies is something men should look forward to because of “committment free sex.”

It is because of the “free” sex that most of us are pissed off in the first place. You get free sex, we get stuck holding the bag for child support of kids that you won’t let us see. Awfully inconvenient of us to try to still be around when you are getting “free” sex from another man, chain of men, while our kids are watching. I’m sure it is especially debilitating when we try to get custody back too. Do you feel you should pay while we raise the kids? Especially if we bring a whole lot of “free” sex with tit-waving, harpy heaven coming via a chain through our door? Since you have no problem, and you don’t like “infringing” on others, who are any of us to infringe on our kids watching us grown adults debase ourselves via said “chain” of lovers walking in and out of their lives?

3. Disease, broken marriages, swinger marriages, gay marriage, marriage to animals, marriage to multiple people.

Where does it end? You tell me! Oh yeah, it is inconvenient for a polygamist to have to find the right tax form. You’re an idiot!

I can go nn if you want, but please feel free to explain the above.

I can’t wait for you to “educate me” with your glorius feminist ideals. Oh hold on, let me get some coffee and popcorn! Okay, I’m back.

Proceed………..

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Georice81 May 2, 2012 at 08:44

Brittney,

You are missing the entire point of this article and the subsequent comments. You are proving the exact point of what the author is making: that most women nowdays are shallow and clueless!

Perhaps on a micro-level all of this so-called freedom may be good for you but on a macro-level it has destroyed society. You can not disagree with the statitistics concerning divorce, rise of STD’s, loneliness, broken families, messed up kids, etc. etc. You don’t seem to understand that the decisions of ALL of us, male or female, is what creates societies blessings or ilss. By taking an immature attitude whereby you only care what happens to you, you are showing everyone in this forum how selfish you truly are.

Feminism is really a latter 20-th century American phenomena. No where in the world is it taken to the extreme that we have here. For millenia the traditional system with its mores worked very well. Instead of blasting the author and the commentators on this board you should applaud them for their insight and their morality which would ultimately benefit even you.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 08:44

Brittney

Shush please, adults are talking. You have had far more attention than you deserve, now go away or I shall taunt you some more!

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 08:46

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keyster May 2, 2012 at 08:50

I am a champion of personal freedoms. I think all adults should be free to engage in whichever activities they so choose as long as they aren’t impinging upon others’ freedoms.

I agree 100%.
However, when you give women unfetterred sexual and reproductive control – – along with a biased government and legal system – – you’re not giving ADULTS freedom. You’re giving children the keys to the candy store, where they’ll stuff themselves sick and expect others to clean up the mess. Men and women are NOT EQUAL, because women have sexual power over men…and women know it and use it.

The point of the article is that women are NOT handling the ADULT responsibility of sexual and reproductive power very well. (The SlutWalk phenomenon is one example of this.) A society that doesn’t control women’s sexuality through social pressure will degrade and fail. It’s happening right now.

We propose men take back control through disregarding whatever women as a group or individually want. We’re taking our balls back. We don’t care what you think anymore. Men are not naturally attracted to surly, recalcitrant, obstinate, self-centered women. Vaginal access is simply not worth it anymore. It took a couple of generations, but the line has finally been crossed.

The male of the species has awoken.
Within a decade it will be too palpable for even the MSM to ignore.

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Ted May 2, 2012 at 08:51

“Married persons receive tax benefits. They get to make medical decisions on behalf of their partner. They are protected from being forced to incriminate one another in court. I mean, I’m sure you can google the benefits of marriage. ”

You’ve missed out the fundamental reason for marriage.

Why is that?

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 08:53

>>I’m sorry if this hurts your feelings, but most (I would say all but who knows) women my age would never see a man in his 70s in a sexual manner.

You are lying. You know nothing about life in Mexico. I have learned that in a normal society, at least 5% of young women are attracted to older men. You lie when you say it is only for a green card.

A 50 something cousin here a few years ago was asked by an 18 year old girl if she could have his baby. He asked her why she would be interested in a man that old when she could have a man her own age.

She said:

1. Older men are more responsible.
2. They treat their women better.
3. They are more affectionate.

And, he certainly was not going to give her a green card. By the way, the so-called green card is pink now.

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 08:54

>>I’m sorry if this hurts your feelings, but most (I would say all but who knows) women my age would never see a man in his 70s in a sexual manner.

Why would the opinion of someone like you possibly hurt my feelings?

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freebird May 2, 2012 at 08:54

You’re still reciting right from the catalog.
Up your game or GTFO.
Here’s some in return:
We men have had enough of you hairy legged cop calling harpies from hell, with your constant nagging,invasion of male spaces and shaming language!
You deluded fake liberal with your woopie education on how to hate men.
Hope that liberal arts degree is printed on good kindling paper.

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Anonymous May 2, 2012 at 08:55

“You say that men have fewer sexual freedoms and men more, but you haven’t listed any real ways in which men are more sexually restricted, so you seem primarily unhappy that women have more sexual freedom than they did in the past. Why? Sexual freedom, and all freedoms, are a good thing.” -Brittney

I’ve no problem with freedoms. I love freedoms, however with great freedom comes great responsibility. I will not deny that men bear responsibility for their actions. In this case, a man can greatly reduce the odds of unwanted pregnancy with condom use. Woe be to those who rawdog it, and/or take the woman’s word as truth that she is on the pill.

The problem I have is after the act. A woman can:

1) level a false rape accusation. The man is immediately taken into custody, publicly shamed, and be guilty until proven innocent. The woman, of course, would remain anonymous and oftentimes not even be punished if/when the claim is found to be false.

2) Opt to or not to have an abortion. I will admit this is a hairy subject, but the fact remains the father has no choice in the matter whether he wants to have the child or not.

3) If the woman chooses to have the child. The man of course will be forced to pay child support in amounts often exceeding those required for childcare. Sometimes in amounts leaving him less than enough to support himself. If he is unable to pay these amounts (regardless of income changes or job loss) he will be imprisoned. The woman will not have to account for how that child support money is spent.

4) The newly single mother will have access to government programs to subsidize her single mother status. The father has access to (see above).

I am not saying being a mother (single or not) is easy. I am a father, it is work. Still the system is rigged to place far more risk, legal and financial responsibility, and limit the choices of men to the benefit of women.

I like getting laid as much as the next guy, and NAWALT, but it only takes one to land you in prison or take you to the cleaners.

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Jim May 2, 2012 at 08:58

Actually prostitution was legal in the U.S. until I think roughly 1920.

It WAS feminists who got it banned.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Woman%27s_Christian_Temperance_Union

Child rape is a horrific crime….but only if it’s committed by a male.

When women do it they are usually celebrated for it.

Here is a story about a woman who raped a 13 year old boy repeatedly and had two kids with him….how much jail time did she get…..well you know the answer…not one day.

Check out the other videos this guy has up. It will show you loud and clear that child rape is no big deal when women do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz3YjDGXdjQ&feature=plcp

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keyster May 2, 2012 at 08:59

I’m sorry if this hurts your feelings, but most (I would say all but who knows) women my age would never see a man in his 70s in a sexual manner.

You’ve obviously never heard of Hugh Hefner, Donald Trump or been to Florida. Young women are VERY sexually interested (in old men of power and wealth). Yet young men will never be interested in old hags regardless. MMmmmm….I wonder why? Could it be that men and women have different mating agendas/strategies? I think so.

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 08:59

>>omeone (I forget who) inquired as to the legal benefits that men receive from marriage. What would you say is the most important LEGAL benefit?

There is no benefit in marriage for men that is enforced by the law. You are projecting your own right to child support; property settlement; and spousal support for benefits for men.

A man has no right to sex in marriage.

A man has no right for his wife to cook; clean; sew; wash clothes; or even live with him.

A man has no right to children. Even if his wife has them, she can take them and wander off any time she feels. He will still have to support them, but has no right to so much as see them.

He has no guaranteed right to property he had when he married. I am not a lawyer, but I did legal research for years, and that is so.

He has no right to his own income, once he marries.

Many of these rights are actually in the law, but there is no guaranteed enforcement of any of them. If Cupcake wants, she can ignore all her “obligations” and nothing happens to her.

She can even hold a shotgun to his back while he sleeps, and gets custody of the kids after the trial. Mary Winkler.

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J May 2, 2012 at 09:04

<————still eating imaginary popcorn, and drinking coffee.

Britt, you should go on line back to your womynns forums, compare our quotes with all of yours. Based on percentage, and I take this advice myself all the time, I have noticed that men's sites are far more provacative intellectually then the trype on over 85% of womynns sites. The womynn's sites are largely about collecting child support, and shaming thier exes, who they often brag about denying visitation access. Largely because they feel he should pay his whole paycheck.

I can honestly say that you have no clue as to what you are talking about.

When you see your future kids start to follow advice like ours, and you are living alone in your old age, possibly childless, watching your older men who you have shamed with younger more attractive and intelligent foreign women…..I suspect you may be wishing you had listened. At one time, most of us here really wanted an American for a wife, after dealing with insane, assinine feminazis like you, we left for greener pastures. We have been grazing ever since.

Hopefully, when you get through all of this, you take our advice, and listen. It will bring you a whole lot more happiness then the path you are following.

I know, I use to be one of the young men who strung knuckleheaded harpies like you along, and shook your soon to form into cellulite hides all over hotel, motel, your boyfriends apartments, my car, your car, the ocean, the closet, the bathroom, and various other places.

You don't intimidate with your words, you educate. thanks for playing, now just go………I ran out of popcorn!

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freebird May 2, 2012 at 09:05

Brit:
You would look less stupid posting on jezibel were the wymyns will agree with your bullshit.
You paranoid loser,you.You sexless creep.

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Travis May 2, 2012 at 09:05

@Brittney,
“Wow. Your opinions on the sexual marketplace are much different from most men’s. I don’t know how old you are, but most young men love having access to casual sex without having to do much in return.”

“…why does posting on a male board mean I am trying to speak FOR you?”

Now why would anyone think you’re trying to speak FOR us? Hmmm. I happen to be one of those young guys who supposedly loves having access to casual sex. And no, I’ve never had a problem attracting women. I was homecoming king in high school and started both Varsity football and basketball. Hate to break it to you Brittney, but I’d trade a dozen worn out skanks like yourself for one decent girl who hasn’t been ridden like the village bicycle. See, most guys want to get married and raise a family someday. And like a wise man once said “You can’t make a ho a housewife…”
Men don’t want to marry and raise kids with sluts. It’s not politically correct, but it’s true. Which is why you’ve seen the marriage rate declining so dramatically along with the “sexual liberation” of women. I also am a firm believer in freedom. And I think you should have the freedom to sleep with whoever you want. But I’m ALSO a firm believer in responsibility. As in, people need to take responsibility for their actions and accept the consequences of those actions. And the consequences of acting like a slut are that a good number of men are not going to seriously consider marriage or long term relationships with you. And I’m not just talking about the guys on this site. I’ve had three conversations with guys I work with in the last week that I can think of off the top of my head about women’s slutty behavior. I’m willing to bet NONE of those guys have ever visited an MRM site. And all are young, good looking guys.
The first guy started by talking about how he had asked a girl at work out. Then he’d heard that she’d slept with FIVE different guys in the past two weeks. If he’d gone out with her, it was pretty much a sure thing that he would be getting laid. Instead, he cancelled the date. His comment was something along the lines of “What the hell is wrong with girls nowadays?”
The next guy was talking about Miley Cyrus. Then the conversation turned to a bunch of the other girls from shows he’d grown up watching on the Disney Channel. Just about every one of them has made the news since they turned 18 for their promiscuous, party girl behavior. He said “What’s the deal with Disney turning girls into whores? They’re hot, but I wouldn’t fuck those bitches with someone ELSE’S dick…”
The final conversation was with a group of five or six guys. We were discussing the girls we work with, and who we found most attractive. Two of them, if you were to show them in a lineup would CLEARLY be the most physically attractive. But ALL BUT ONE of the guys said they liked this other girl more. She’s cute, but not nearly as cute as the other two. Just about all of them said the reason they prefered the third girl more was that she “didn’t seem as slutty…” as the other two. One guy said “I’m afraid if I slept with Tabi, I’d catch something and my dick would fall off…”
So to summarize, like I said before, I think you SHOULD have the freedom to sleep around. Just be prepared to deal with men’s reactions when you choose to exercise that right…

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LJ May 2, 2012 at 09:08

Brittney,

“Wow. Your opinions on the sexual marketplace are much different from most men’s. I don’t know how old you are, but most young men love having access to casual sex without having to do much in return.”

Men say a lot of things to save face. Those men would not be happy should any of those women force a child on him. There is a large growing body of men that want more than just “free” casual sex. You have spoken like a true slut-walker.

“Women bear most of the burden for unplanned pregnancies. It is she who has to “take care of it” or carry the child to term, sacrificing her healt and beauty in the process. Sure, the dad is supposed to pay child support… if he can be found and if he has a job.”

It is the woman’s poor choices that leed them to that place. With every concievable out, women really need to own there shit. In todays society, there is no such thing as an unplanned pregnancy. It is a woman’s body, a woman’s choice, and a man’s financial responsibility. When dad can’t be found, it’s the tax payer whom is burdened, and a woman shouldn’t be sleeping with someone she can’t find.

“You are incredibly naive if you don’t realize that there are tons of women out there (most of them young and poor) who don’t receive any support from the father of their kids).”

You are increadibly naive if you don’t realize women chose those situations.

“And why should the guy’s commitment to the woman impact whether he has to pay child support? It’s child support, not mom support.”

The old “best interest of the child” line. Ever so conveiniently coincides with benifiting the woman. You should do some more poking around the man-o-sphere for this one.

Why should a woman’s commitment to a man change whether she has to inform him of abortion. Oh wait, it doesn’t. A wife can unilaterally abort her husbands child. So men have to pay regardless of commitment, but women get off Scott free. Hypocrisy much?

“And you conveniently note that women can “easily” prevent pregnancies, but that a guy is on the hook if he gets a girl pregnant. Hm, men can easily prevent pregnancy too. It’s called wearing a condom. The ways in which you try to excuse men from all responsibility for their behavior while demonizing women is just laughable.”

Women have:
1. 12 different forms of birth control.
2. abortion
3. adoption
4. no fault abandonment
All a product of woman’s lib.

Men have:
1. a condom
The same options we had pre-woman’s lib.
If woman can say “I don’t want to parent” or “I’m not ready to parent” then why shouldn’t men get the same freedom?
What have woman done for men?
He is not trying to excuse men from responsibility; he is trying to hold women responsible for theirs or, to make men as unaccountable as women.

“You say that men have fewer sexual freedoms and men more, but you haven’t listed any real ways in which men are more sexually restricted, so you seem primarily unhappy that women have more sexual freedom than they did in the past. Why? Sexual freedom, and all freedoms, are a good thing.”

Spoiler alert, men like women whom are fresh and not used up. These men you claim love the free ride women hand out now. Every single one of them would prefer a pure woman to these women who have been riding the cock carousel for the last 5 years. Plus all the fatherless children. The drain on society. I could go on… And, see my list above.

“You say that men are punished for rape and sex with minors… um, do you think this is a bad thing? These acts were illegal before women’s lib in any case so I fail to see your point.”

The problem is that women are not unished for the same cimes.

“I’m not sure how you manage to turn something good (increasing sexual freedom for all – male, female, gay, bi-sexual, straight, transgendered, etc.) into a male v. female thing. At the end of the day, as I said above, you just seem angry that women are free to have sex as they see fit. That’s weird because most men (who are able to convince women to have sex with them that is!) love this!”

Exactly how has freedom for men increased? and as for the “men love sluts” bit, read above. Your axiom is inaccurate.

“The guys who hate “sluts” can’t get laid and hate the women who have sex with everyone else but them; they wish these women didn’t have the right to do this.”

We forgot to mention, we live in our mothers basment too.

“I am a champion of personal freedoms. I think all adults should be free to engage in whichever activities they so choose as long as they aren’t impinging upon others’ freedoms.”

What about men’s freedom to make a choice in which child to parent and/or support? You do not seem to care much about those freedoms.

“I don’t know why you think women have spoken for 45 years”

It’s called feminism, how could you miss it?

Just as an angry man, an angry woman also makes mistakes.

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Ted May 2, 2012 at 09:08

“the LEGAL benefits that men receive from marriage”

None that I would consider worthwhile.

The terms of the LEGAL marriage has been subject to unilateral involuntary retroactive change. It’s worthless.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 09:11

Brittney

Good grief. Are you really that feckin stupid ? Can’t you see you are simply getting a taste of the same medicine that has been dished out to men over the last fifty years. We are taking the piss out of you, you dense bint. Do you need it tattooing on your feckin head you muppet.

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freebird May 2, 2012 at 09:13

1.Shaming language-check.
2.Recital of feminist dogma-check
3.Selfish refusal to acknowledge legitimate logical arguments-check
4. Long series of strawmen-check
5.Attention whoring-check
6.Hit and run-check

Oh she’s flippant alrigty, and why wouldn’t she be, with with johnny law waiting to do her bidding with baited breath?
Another one goes through life crotch first!
Heavy sigh,what is to be done?

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Travis May 2, 2012 at 09:14

“It is because of the “free” sex that most of us are pissed off in the first place. You get free sex, we get stuck holding the bag for child support of kids that you won’t let us see. Awfully inconvenient of us to try to still be around when you are getting “free” sex from another man, chain of men, while our kids are watching. I’m sure it is especially debilitating when we try to get custody back too. Do you feel you should pay while we raise the kids? Especially if we bring a whole lot of “free” sex with tit-waving, harpy heaven coming via a chain through our door? Since you have no problem, and you don’t like “infringing” on others, who are any of us to infringe on our kids watching us grown adults debase ourselves via said “chain” of lovers walking in and out of their lives?”

This ^

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J May 2, 2012 at 09:15

LOL, fellas, it is obvious that she thinks she is making us angry. However, she is reading everything we post!

This is key, as it will plant our seed in her head(yes britt, I said put our “seed” in your head, let that rattle around up there for a while).
And also, we have all seen every single one of her arguments before, so we know she is a troll

May I suggest that we show something to her………don’t respond anymore! This will do what it does to every womAn. Piss her off. We will probably be able to find her favorite site then, as she won’t be able to help herself from “venting” at her favorite feminie watering hole on the web. Should be fun.

@Britt, I have two questions

1. Why is it that in the “Pride” of a lion, it is the Males who protect, the females who hunt, and all of them sleep with the alpha males????

2. For all of the “free” sex you are getting, does it bother you, that it really is with men like us? You know, when you are “enjoying” yourself, it is a guy like one of us who is tooling you? For his own enjoyment!

Oh yeah..

3. When he is done tooling you, and perceives that you are not worth a “serious” relationship, he will throw you away. You know, doing what he wants? Does it bother you, or do you see this as ok, since he will just be “fulfilling” his own wnats and needs?

Please enlighten me of “cellulite buddha” I have more popcrn now:)

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 09:17

@Keyster: You’ve obviously never heard of Hugh Hefner, Donald Trump or been to Florida. Young women are VERY sexually interested (in old men of power and wealth).

You got it, Keyster. I owe Brittney no explanation, but I am going to explain for the men here.

I have had three waves of women interested in me in the 10+ years I have been here. The First Wave were the opportunists, the “green card” seekers, the gold diggers, Brittney types. There were many, and I paid no attention to them.

The Second Wave did not count. During construction work, we put the lavadero out under the trees, and every morning as the women walked by, they saw me washing our clothes by hand. A man who would wash the clothes for his wife is to Mexican women, what a woman would be for men if she walked around the house naked in case he got in the mood. I thought it was more opportunism, but my best friend, an educated woman, told me, no, the whole town of women was talking about that man who washed the clothes for his wife.

The Third Wave is women who are interested in me as a person, and, yes, they want to find out what I am like in bed.

Women here are treated like American women claim they are treated, though it is a lie. The men are macho, and if a man slaps his wife, she can have him arrested, but there is no one to feed her and the kids, so smart women take a punch.

But, they are mostly simply not treated with respect as a person.

I do treat women and girls with respect as persons. I have learned they are really attracted to that.

Yes, my money is a part of it, but only part of it.

The 14 year old fell in love with me because of how I treated her.

The 20 something who wanted to be my mistress. My best friend told me, when I asked why an attractive young woman like that would be interested in a man my age, said the girl knew I was an educated man, and I also talked to her with personal respect. Best friend said many country girls have never been anywhere, even to the cities 2 hours away. She knew when I left here, I would drive all over the USA, and to her that made me seem very sophisticated.

There is a thing called hypergamy. One face of it the gold-diggers. They want money, money, money.

Another face of it is hypergamy makes men with assets so much more attractive to women. I am better looking than Donald Trump, and that is not bragging at all. Look at him once. Those women really do find him physically attractive. So it is for the young women here. Yes, they do find me sexually attractive. Not many of them but some of them, and Brittney can’t understand that.

Not to beat a dead horse, but Brittney is the typical ignorant woman from the Anglosphere who imagines her cultural biases are the only correct ones.

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J May 2, 2012 at 09:22

Ah, she is a med student.

I have had a few of those. Also, I notice they tend to have nmerous failed marriages. Good thing they know health care, they will need it for all the one time sex they will get. Cause rarely are they ever a married. Too busy finding themselvs, and looking for someone who is their “equal.” I have to laugh! Because while she is finding herself, and dating all these “losers(like us supposedly)” she is avoiding the guys who would take her off the market. After “guys” like me hve worn out her “plumbing,” she is of no interest at that age to men who might impregnate her, and make a woman out of her. In other words, she is like used salt, dashed once, then chucked out with the trash. LOL, I have to laugh!

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 09:22

>>Another one goes through life crotch first!
Heavy sigh,what is to be done?

Love that crotch first. Good one! Hee, hee.

What is to be done? I thought you’d never ask! GTHO.

In Mexico, if you are cool, you can have women in their early 20′s, who will cook; clean; scrub; wash clothes; take care of the kids; and give you sex when you ask for it.

Ditto for many other countries.

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Druk May 2, 2012 at 09:24

Brit, you seem to be unaware of the differences between sex laws’ gender-neutral text, and the way they are used almost exclusively against men.

And no, you don’t get to call the choice of whether to take morning-after pill/abort/adopt out/bear a child a “burden”. Men don’t get a choice, but still can be on the hook for 2 decades of unrealistic payments that may land them in debtor’s prison (no, I’m not exaggerating; this actually happens in the US). Having a choice is in the matter is clearly better.

Anyway, I don’t think Brittney is a troll, I think she’s just extremely uninformed. To Brittney: I would suggest lurking more, and responding to insults less. Read what Welmer has to say in previous posts. He (and other guys) didn’t come to these conclusions overnight.

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Georice81 May 2, 2012 at 09:25

@ Brittney,

You came to this forum simply because there is something here that attracts you. This is logical. So what is it?

I’d say is that you are looking for real men and once you found them you don’t know what to do with them. You knew the responses that were going to go your way? So why engage anyone here unless you get some pleasure out of this.

If you think open sex is a good thing, then go for it! But you will not find anyone here that will agree with you or want to be with you. Some may actually be willing to as a “pump and dump” proposition which I suppose you don’t have a problem with.

I personally find a woman like you too simple and too used up. I prefer someone more moral …. to me that is appealing.

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Little John May 2, 2012 at 09:28

Britt: Don’t knock old men so much. Someday you’ll be an old woman. And at that point your pleasant personality will be the only appeal you’ll have.

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 09:29

Let me tell you about female medical students.

Nearly 50% of female doctors are out of full-time practice within ten years of receiving their license to practice. In many cases, they marry men doctor idiots, who pay off their school debts for them.

Since women work so fewer hours, the more females given seats in school, the greater the shortage of doctors. So, the more frantically the schools increase female admission, the harder it is to find a doctor.

I am told that is why Canada is so short on doctors now, and we are following in their footsteps.

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Travis May 2, 2012 at 09:29

@Britney,
By the way, you might want to take a trip over to Chateau Heartiste if you’re curious about what the young guys are saying about all the girls handing out “free, causal sex”. That’s the other side of the coin. Those guys DO love it. But they don’t have any more respect for any of you than the guys on here. In fact, they probably have a lot less…

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 09:31

>>Little John May 2, 2012 at 09:28

>> Britt: Don’t knock old men so much. Someday you’ll be an old woman. And at that point your pleasant personality will be the only appeal you’ll have.

A fine definition of zero.

Most medical students are fat butt, which is why I called her LMFAO a major project.

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W.F. Price May 2, 2012 at 09:32

Price,

Marriage is a legal contract that is recognized by the state. Given that it was created to give certain rights, privileges and responsibilities (legal and financial in nature) to two parties, no I don’t think a man should be able to have 10 wives. It’s simply impractical and not the way the system was set up. For instance, how would you file an 11-way marital tax form? How would ten women make end of life medical decisions for one man? Of course I have no problem with a man living with ten women and doing whatever he wants with them.

I think prostitution should be legal, yes. It has been illegal since the founding of our country though, so you can’t cite that as an example of a right that men lost at the hand of feminism.

I don’t think men (or women, why do you see everything in terms of gender?) should be able to harass others at their place of business, no. I think this is infringing upon their “victim’s” rights.

And no I think men should be required to make good-faith efforts to pay their child support. Children have a right to be supported and as a tax payer, I should not have to pay for your kid, you should.

-Brittney

Then you really don’t believe all personal or sexual freedoms are good. None of your arguments makes the case that anyone’s freedom is being impinged upon by the examples I gave, but you only supported one out of four freedoms.

BTW, your first argument, against polygamy, is especially lousy. Why, it would be simple to structure taxes to accommodate polygamy. It wouldn’t be much – if any – different from any other large family for tax purposes. Not to say I support polygamy (I don’t), but the arguments against it these days are especially feeble, especially since they’ve started allowing gay marriage.

As for prostitution’s legality, prostitution was not generally a crime in the US until the 20th century, and even then it took decades for the laws to proliferate across the country. Read up on your history.

As for children being supported, sadly that is no right. It could only be a right if their parents had the right to a living wage, and neither mothers nor fathers have that right. That American women demand betrayed men provide more than their rights can guarantee is only another example of the ugliness in their souls. It might be fair to demand unconditional support from men if men were prioritized in hiring and had a “right” to work at fair pay, but since they have neither advantage it is sheer, unadulterated abuse for women to demand the current child support guidelines, especially from men who were unwillingly placed in the position of having to pay it.

And the sexual harassment issue is absolute garbage. If a man says he’s attracted to a woman at work, where is the victim? Women will never complain if he is a desirable man, and will often seek to sleep with superiors at work, but they want to have the power to sue when an unattractive man expresses interest… How self-serving. As though a man’s natural interest in a woman victimizes her. If women are such wilting violets why should men hire them in the first place? What possible benefit could an employer gain from having such an ultrasensitive liability on staff?

Admit it, Brittney, you don’t really support freedom at all, but rather license; your license to sleep with various men without judgment. It is the same for most American women. Since you’re in your 20s (as you say — I would have guessed early-mid-30s given your name), I can only advise that you start thinking about when you’ll have to swallow your pride. That time will come sooner than you think, and you ought to prepare for it.

The balance does change profoundly in the 30s, so you might want to think about toning it down and being a bit more humble before it’s too late.

Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 09:39

Brittney, I tell the people here in Mexico if they want to be healthy, listen to their doctors. ask questions so you understand everything, memorize everything they say, THEN DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

Part of the reason I am attractive to them has to do with my diet. LOW CARB; HIGH FAT. The exact opposite of what the stupid doctors tell you.

I am down 45 pounds, nearly what I weighted in 1966 when I left the Army. I bounce around and jump the stairs up and down. I do not look nor act as if I am 70.

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J May 2, 2012 at 09:39

@georice81

Good point, she is like a pack of stray dogs I saw while living in Europe. Once she gets a hold of the car, she just barks at it. I imagine she has a plethora of diseases like the mangy mutts too, who knows, maye she looks like them too? LOL

@britt

It is obvious you get their points, I love the bit of humour about the false rape claims not posting themselves But don’t worry, you have a year, more in some states, for filing, so no rush!

Also, I imagine you are in great shape, you know, walking around the hospitals, drinking overpriced lattes, shacking it in the syrum rooms(whatever you call it), staying up long hours. It reminds me of some of the med students and doctors from my past. Ah this sailor here was somewhat of a wild one. I think you would have liked me in twenties before I got married to a hot foreign woman! Come on now, lets be honest! You would not have known that I was a father’s rights advocate, you would have been too busy………hehehehehehehehhehehehe

then I would have left and bought myself dinner alone! How it should be. However, I married foreign, all the money you will make cannot save you in my eyes, you being a med student does not make you worth it! You will work long hours, cannot get pregnat till maybe 35. Will have been pumped and dumped more times then I will want to hear. And by the time you are done with med schools, you will be past the prime of life. Oh yeah, you will have a mountain of cash, and being a woman,it will be hard to fire you, even if your negligence is a factor! But have no fear, you are an empowered woman, I am sure you will figure something out. Cheers.

PS: You should have some respect, many of these men would not have done what I did, they wuld have found one woman, and kept her, or died trying. Thank yourself, because now they no longer want you! Even if you make a huge surgeons salary, they will not view you as worth the risk. Our younger men, are taking note of their choices, and the “why’s.”

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Water_Ostrich May 2, 2012 at 09:42

Brittney said:
“Oh, and…I’m in my 20s, so trust me when I say you don’t belong to the group of men who’s opinions I am concerned with.”

To this assertion I must respond. I have lurked long enough. This due mostly to the fact that I could not add anything to the conversation. It is true that I humbly defer to the elders of this community the honor that their age bestows upon them.
That being said. Brittney, I am your age. I know of many men around me who are beginning to wake up to the reality of Feminazism. I am on a major college campus in America. I have found the college educated men around me to be astute and studied in the problem presented by the modern American woman. It is fortunate for us that women from all over the world arrive at our doorstep. They are called international students. I have already married one, so I am probably not one of the men you should concern yourself with, either.

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keyster May 2, 2012 at 09:46

Wow, considering how clearly right you guys are it surely is confusing to me why you’re so opposed to dissenting opinions.

If we were opposed to dissenting opinions your IP address would be banned from commenting. We’re disagreeing with you. Or can you even tell the difference?

Arguing with a women is just like arguing with a woman.
Now you know why male feminists believe they’re necessary.

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freebird May 2, 2012 at 09:47

If she’s working for a non-profit medical outfit while going to school,the Feds will forgive her student loan altogether.
Also, if she’s paid %10/yr for 10 yrs, then the balance will also be forgiven.

So you see, we will have more women in health care,but the intelligence will have gone out of it, simple pill dispensers and runny nose-wipers.

Why are the best/most gynecologists men?
Because it takes intelligence.
This Britt is nurse materiel at best.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 09:55

freebird

Why are the best/most gynecologists men?

I once knew a gynecologist that could wallpaper his hallway via the letterbox,,, honest !

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Norm May 2, 2012 at 10:04

Feminists like to say “Hear me roar” and liken themselves unto a lion. Men who swallowed the red pill hear the roar as a brey and liken the feminists unto a (jack)ass.

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Rmaxd May 2, 2012 at 10:05

@Raj
” Price,
I am a champion of my personal freedoms. I think I should be free to engage in whichever activities I so choose as long as I can plausibly deny impinging upon others’ freedoms. ”

Fixed”

Well said, Britney is all about denying women impinging on mens rights, without acknowledging men have rights, OUTSIDE of her corrupt feminist brainwashed ideology

What women like Britney cant understand, men have a massive amount of rights VASTLY outside the feminist male hating movement she’s brainwashed in

Women like Britney have to realise, men REFUSE to be dictated by feminist or conservative or mainstream male hating traditions or male hating social norms

She also has to realise our rights & male sexuality, far exceeds her corrupt feminist sensibilities & her male hating american skank social norms

As long as women like Britney scribe to feminist american skank & pro sex, & pro radical feminism, she will NEVER be able to realise the TRUE EXTENT mens rights & sexuality are violated by male hating feminists, & women like herself

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keyster May 2, 2012 at 10:10

Not to beat a dead horse, but Brittney is the typical ignorant woman from the Anglosphere who imagines her cultural biases are the only correct ones. – Anon 70

I know I’m young and attractive so there’s little reason to respond to criticism from people who know nothing about me… – Brittney

She “KNOWS” she’s young and attractive!
She’s empowered by everything she says and does.
You go grrl!

This conceit is the quintessential young American woman today, that men are choosing to purposefully ignore. She’s the perfect example of women we’re trying to educate other young men about. She’s not cool. She’s not OK. She’s not your partner, she’s your competitor. She’ll make for a shitty wife and a shitty life.

Run Forrest Run!
Let her die a barren Old Maid.

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Anonymous Reader May 2, 2012 at 10:12

C’mon, Welmer, you know the definition of “good sex” as well as anyone.

Good sex is: sex that one or more women desire, at the moment they desire it. And as Roissy & others have shown, women desire sex with men they perceive to be Alphas. Of course, the next morning, or even later that night, if a woman perceives that the man wasn’t Alpha enough, then that becomes “bad sex”, and she may do anything from trashing his name to all her empowered girrrlfriends, to calling the police in order to falsely accuse him of rape.

Furthermore, since women’s hypergamous nature demands the most Alpha man around, married sex with a man who is too Beta is by definition “bad sex” and when she decides she is not haaaapy anymore, then it’s time to dump him. This can involve false charges of domestic violence, false charges of rape, obtaining restraining orders by lying in court in order to push him out of the house, and of course commiting divorce theft by siezing half of all assets & garnishing 70% of his future income. A pretty high price to pay for “bad sex”, a rational person would note.

So “good sex” is what ever women want, when they want it. “Bad sex” is whatever they don’t want. The former is rewarded with more sex, the latter is punished with increasingly severe means (prison is pretty severe, for example). In order to make women haaapy, the average man has to be crammed into a crummy, sexless, life in which he’s pretty much a beast of burden.

Brittaney can’t see any of this, because at 22 she’s at her peak in the Sexual Market Place (SMP) and because she simply does not notice 80% or so of the men around her, she can make absurd claims such as “the sexual revolution benefited men” when men know otherwise. She can also afford to be arrogant, because at this time in her life there is always another man to fetch & carry for her.

When Brittaney hits the wall in about 7 or 8 years, I predict she’ll become a bitter woman whose hatred of men will be quite obvious to all around her. But until then, she can enjoy riding on the cock carousel…

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dragnet May 2, 2012 at 10:14

@ Brittney

Hard to know if you’re a troll or not, but whatever you are way off base. Especially on the polygamy piece:

“Marriage is a legal contract that is recognized by the state. Given that it was created to give certain rights, privileges and responsibilities (legal and financial in nature) to two parties, no I don’t think a man should be able to have 10 wives. It’s simply impractical and not the way the system was set up. For instance, how would you file an 11-way marital tax form? How would ten women make end of life medical decisions for one man? Of course I have no problem with a man living with ten women and doing whatever he wants with them.”

It would obviously be much easier to make end of life decisions for two or three wives instead of ten—but I doubt you would support legalizing those arrangements either. And the strain on the legal system argument is complete bullshit. If polygamy were legalized, we would simply develop a legal appartus & case law to handle polygamous marriages, the same way we developed new case law for lots of shit that didn’t previously exist (ie, space exploration, Internet litigation, etc).

Assuming you’re not trolling and are genuinely curious, I think you need to come up better arguments.

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Towgunner May 2, 2012 at 10:17

I think we’re long overdue for a new paradigm on sex. The inequities of sex between women and men are but one glaring inconsistency of the whole sexual revolution. Point and fact that the sexual revolution said one thing and the 60′s meme of absolute equality said something else. No one has ever had the courage to point out that these two contradict each other diametrically. Interestingly, you don’t need a religious argument and you can even use some of the ideals of the 60′s to disprove the sexual revolution outright. Contrary to popular belief, sex is not free, in fact it exacts a hefty cost…we’re overly aware of the health costs but oddly ignore are psychological costs. Free love is one of the most abominable examples of blatant human discrimination ever conceived and it’s made all the more cutting when put in the hands of women. Never mind the left’s obsession of destroying hierarchical constructs…free love does the opposite it reinforces hierarchical constructs, in fact, it reinforces the mother of all hierarchical constructs – sexual hierarchy. Of course, sexual hierarchy always existed, but I’d argue that chastity was really a sign of compassion for those on the left side of the sexual appeal curve. To see this more clearly, try proposing the free love concept to a deformed person. All things equal, no woman or man would extend the same sexuality to a deformed person as they would to a non deformed person, if any. What do we do or say to those people when “all” are supposedly welcome in all aspects of life? It can’t be reconciled. So for the last 40 years the very same people that drove the sexual revolution and who also drove the egalitarian revolution, really just created a sick joke. Because they tell all people to fulfill all their sexual desires and at the same time say we’re all the same when we’re not. Worse, I think they know that this dynamic is inherently based in all the things the left says they hate the most – prejudice, discrimination, stereotyping etc. After all, we do all those things when choosing a mate; it is the natural order of things. The left hates nature, so where is their solution for sex? I don’t argue against that mechanism, I argue against the people who abuse it. Their abuse is selfish and ignorant…the impulse of sex has a definitive end-point – a momentary 5-10 second spasm. After a brief sense of satiation, I can only guarantee that the impulse will be back, as such, it’s impossible to be “fulfilled”. So free love is also the ultimate act of futility akin to a dog chasing its tail ad infinitum. I digress – you have to be a very selfish person or submissive (weak) person to succumb to this closed circuit impulse. And you have to be incredibly ignorant to believe that we’re all equal on a sexual basis. Here in the MRA’s we get frustrated with women preferring assh*le men or the nice guys finish last phenomenon and rightly so. While feminists split hairs making mountains out of ant hills declaring, demanding or claiming “equality” they either ignore or are just too stupid not see that they’ve become the thing they hate and the best example of this is their ideals on sex.

In place of the “anything goes” ideology, I suggest one that incorporates everyone i.e. the left out people…the main ingredient required is compassion. But compassion for the truly unfortunate, which necessarily challenges all the other ingrained notions of societal advantage and disadvantage. For instance to claim a rich women is oppressed is absurd, just take her standard of living vs. a poor person of any sex. Consider that by today’s standards paris hiton is disadvantaged? It will also require a responsible and objective view on sex, which we haven’t seen since the start of the sexual revolution – odd. Indeed, we now know less about sex then we did before. Will it result in a new era of chastity? Well, did we really ever live in an era of chastity? Are we not products of previous generations who by evidence of our very existence must have had sex? Mind you we’re up to 7B people. Believe it or not, I think we’ll all live better, richer and more fulfilled lives if we keep sex a private matter. Ask yourself how “compassionate” the cast from sex in the city appears to you as they justify their narcissism and discriminatory practices with the advanced philosophical concept of “if you got it flaunt it”.

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Bill Brasky May 2, 2012 at 10:24

Anonymous Reader at 10:12 handled this perfectly.

Nothing but a spoiled child with zero understanding of herself or the world around her. In a sane world, no man would feel compelled to try to “argue” with children.

It is useful for rhetorical purposes, though.

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J May 2, 2012 at 10:31

@anonymous

I don’t see her around anymore?

Is that carousel music at the “amusement park” I here?

Hope for those males sake she is having the time of her empowered life? Or at the very least, they are having the time of their life, because it will turn into a nightmare soon enough….the “cock carousel” has to stop sometime!

Or maybe the next naval vessel/soliders/marines just arrived at the pier, and she needs to give some sailors their “meds?”

I’m sure she’ll back! LOL

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Opus May 2, 2012 at 10:40

Amongst the delights provided for us this afternoon by the freedom loving Brittney, I could not but fail to observe the following at 8.43 (and in response to Anonymous aged 70):

“I am not a lawyer… ”
….

“Yeah you’re definitely not a lawyer. All contracts can be voided”

Maybe the Law of Contract is different in whichever State is home to Brittney, as mercifully for the legal profession, Brittney is – as she informs us – hoping to join the ranks of the Medical Profession.

You go girl.

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Rmaxd May 2, 2012 at 10:43

A likely scenario for women like Britney in the future …

So will elasticated sheep & blow up dolls, be hailed as pre-cursors to VR sex by MRA’s in the future ?

Will they be labelled as liberators from feminist indoctrinated skanks like Britney?

Used by men in response to std infested & modern womens aversion to potty training & faeces leaking into their vaginas, turning their vaginas into bacteria infested cesspits …

In the future womens vagina’s walk around with yellow hazard signs & traffic cones, to ward off beta’s & horny adolescents

& everytime a man has sex with a woman, hazard suits as well as condoms, & hazard back up lights, as well as a valid commercial license are required

Having sex with women, will become a hazardous construction site

Men will have to construct scaffolding with poor health regulations & hazardous pay, just to have sex with women …

With many mens penises falling off on the job …

In the future construction workers will no longer work on construction sites, they’ll work on womens vagina’s, navigating their hazardous but deadly terrain

Men will stop mining for gold, & start mining womens vagina’s for the sake of mining for non-toxic, non std infested ovaries

Not much different to what men have to endure today … minus the trendy traffic cones & heavy machinery ….

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Tom936 May 2, 2012 at 10:48

Brittney May 2, 2012 at 08:55
LOL

You guys have made my posts disappear by disliking them.

What’s to like about someone who posts old lies and tired shaming tactics, and then writes “LOL” and “ROFL” in giddy appreciation of her own cleverness?

I have never posted on a site where you could hide dissenting opinions simply by disliking them.

I call BS. Everyone here is aware of the violent censorship practiced by Feminist sites.

Furthermore, your posts are available here to anyone who chooses to click “Click here to see”. I clicked on the first one, which was enough to convince me that you have nothing intelligent to say, regardless your own opinion of your own cleverness.

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Mr. J May 2, 2012 at 10:59

quote:
“men got suckered in this deal”

I disagree.

Men made the bed of future men through 50 years of their own laziness, stupidity, and neglect.

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Towgunner May 2, 2012 at 10:59

@ brittnay:

So what if you’re a medical student, why do you feel compelled to tell us that? Is it because of your innate lack of self esteem that requires constant affirmation from outside sources? You’re pathetic.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 11:01

Rmaxd

Made me think of yet another half a day lost in “working in confined space ” training but one could hardly class modern womans vagina as a “confined space”. I would suggest most of todays women need a warning sign of “deep excavation” or ” toxic waste”.

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Mr. J May 2, 2012 at 11:06

…..Further, no one can disagree that new laws will continue to be made, as has always been the case.

When one demographic chooses to bury their collective heads in passtimes instead of paying attention to what’s important, WHO DO YOU THINK THOSE LAWS WILL NEGATIVELY AFFECT???

There ……………………….50 years of it.

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Ethical May 2, 2012 at 11:14

“This conceit is the quintessential young American woman today, that men are choosing to purposefully ignore. She’s the perfect example of women we’re trying to educate other young men about. She’s not cool. She’s not OK. She’s not your partner, she’s your competitor. She’ll make for a shitty wife and a shitty life”.

@keyster
So true. A successful but DEEPLY white knight friend of mine dated a series of women like this till he finally married one. He contributes by making a great salary. She stays at home doing nothing but can’t stop complaining if she has to cook even a single meal. Somehow he got his head so twisted he came to believe a “strong woman” is someone who’s mean and not supportive.

Lord help the young and not so young men who marry these “Britney’s” of this world. For argument’s sake I’ll take her at her word that she’s attractive (I have my doubts if she has to make 30 posts on a hostile forum to get attention from men); but a worthwhile wife is one who takes the time to understand what’s on a man’s mind. Even if she doesn’t understand it she still respects it. Britney on the other hand has been conversing with this forum for over 100 posts and hasn’t understood the first point being made here. If a young man must get married today she’s EXACTLY the type he needs to avoid in order to be happy.

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Laura Grace Robins May 2, 2012 at 11:27

Nuts…I missed all the fun….bring it on Brit, for every woman like you at least one more man goes his own way and wipes his hands clean of women. You think you are lucky cause men in their 20s fall for you…it won’t be that way much longer. I have noticed a surge of MRA blogs by men in their 20s.

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Atlas May 2, 2012 at 11:31

Reading through this thread, got me thinking a bit. Brittany kept talking about marriage being a legal contract, or to put it more plainly, she was talking about the form of marriage that was most beneficial to herself (and other women.) I think of it (and a considerable number of my male friends) as a covenant. A covenant means (to me) that ’til death do us part’ and ‘for richer for poorer’ and ‘in sickness and in health’ mean exactly what they say.
She talked about any contract can be voided, this is true, if you look for a person who is corrupt enough and blind enough to believe your BS.
At 30, I hope she will come back here and tell us how her ‘Wile E. Coyote Moment’ is going.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 11:39

Laura Grace Robins

I wish you was an inflatable sheep.

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Mr. J May 2, 2012 at 11:39

quote:

“thinking we’d get more of what we desire”

???

Who is “we”?

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Opus May 2, 2012 at 11:52

Before this thread became derailed by the latest female narcissist to grace this blog, I had been trying to find some words to respond to Mr Price’s ideas about Bad Sex, specifically as to Pedophilia and Rape, – which he mentions as the two forms of it – though he does not mention Homosexuality – which I will thus not deal with.

With regard to the former, I am going to argue that both from interest therein and opportunity, Pedophilia is very rare; indeed I would go further and say that the concentration on Pedophilia hides its true but almost equally rare cousin, Incest. Frankly, unless you are a Teacher or Parent you will have virtually no access to infants and children (which I would define as persons under the age of fourteen). As I understand it, in any event, Incest is even rarer before the child is eleven or twelve and intercourse, if it happens at all, happens later than that (I rely for this on Judith Herman M.D.’s book – which does not in all respects convince me).

With regard to the Rape, it is simply, rare. Men like to score, not force. No man gains any cudos from his friends for Rape any more than he does from using a Prostitute. I would also argue that Rape is a crime against men: Fathers, Husbands; not against women, per se, and that it is simply not that serious beyond that. Rape is a removal of chastity, but as these days most women are really- by any historical standard, sluts, being as it were between parents and husband, they have little to lose from yet one more Dick. (In Roman Law one could not rape a Prostitute, as the Prostitute had no reputation to lose). An assault of a sexual nature, certainly, but as the Suicide rate for Rape victims is no higher than for women generally (and a lot lower than for divorced men), I believe that Rape should be decriminalised. Rape, after all, is women’s favourite and only sexual fantasy, which is doubtless why we have the present epidemic of False Rape and Harrassement cases.

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Anonymous Reader May 2, 2012 at 12:09

Towgunner
So what if you’re a medical student, why do you feel compelled to tell us that?

That’s pretty easy to understand: she is projecting her own female status-hunger onto us. Women are attracted to Alpha qualities such as leadership, status and control of resources. This is basic evo-bio: women want good sperm to make babies with and plenty of resources to raise babies with. The status cues in the modern world are “lawyer”, “doctor”, “banker”, and so forth. Therefore, she is telling us how attractive she is by claiming to be a medical student.

This is typical of the ignorance of modern women. They do not know, or refuse to admit, that what attracts men is not the same as what attracts women. That is because if they had to admit it, they would have to admit that men and women are different, not at all the same. Women are not just “men who can have babies”.

Projecting her own status hunger onto us, plus an utter contempt for men as human being (if she even considers us human, which is questionable) Brittaney reveals that the only thing she brings to a relationship that a man cannot provide is her vagina. Status? We don’t care. Money? Money is good, but money can’t buy some things – like a pleasant disposition worth coming home to.

So that’s why she dropped her status onto the floor – it is supposed to impress us, and make us all cry that we can’t be with her. Instead, Brittaney’s status-whoring and her obnoxious demeanor leaves me feeling sorry for her “awesome boyfriend”. Maybe we could send him a clip of “The Bitch Came Back”?

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criolle johnny May 2, 2012 at 12:25

OhioStater: Bad-Sex-After-the-Fact has been redefined as “rape”.
I’m not sure if it’s “rape-rape”, or “retroactive non-consensual-sex”, but the MAN is supposed to know the rules after the fact.

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Rmaxd May 2, 2012 at 12:53

Laura Grace Robins, one of the few real women who understand mens rights & the manosphere as a whole …

What most women dont understand, todays society is so emasculated & effiminised

In order to understand & criticise women, you HAVE to be willing to hate women

There is no getting round this basic fact, we have accepted all the very real evils of women, & accepted them all as socially normal acceptable norms, for women

We as a society have accepted the evil that women do, as normal

Not only that, but we have allowed women to do evil for centuries

Expecting men to pay for every biological miscarriage & social injustice by women for centuries now

Instead of holding women responsible financially & economically, our society has constructed a COMPLETE SOCIAL STRUCTURE of paying for womens INABILITY & SHAMEFUL irresponsibility to be responsible for THEIR children & THEIR inability & REFUSAL to do REAL WORK

All the while using terms such as calling themselves ladies & virgins, to cover up their utter refusal to WORK & be financially & intellectually responsible

In short what we call a monogamous society, what we call MARRIAGE, what we call a family

IS IN FACT a social structure, a socially acceptable form of parasites who refer to themselves as stayathome moms & wives & feminists

Whats even worse, we now include bastardised single mothers & sluts & whores as a social structure

We now call single mothers with bastards as children, a family

& we call women who refuse to work & use children as shields stayathome moms …

Since when have women had the right to call themselves mothers when all they do is breed bastard children

& wives who use marriage as an excuse to leech off men

Our society has accepted ridiculous levels of evil by women & their hate for men, the only way to truly see women as they truly are is to hate them …

This is the state of women today & the social structure which accepts the evil they do …

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 12:57

Rmaxd

Superb post, hear hear, well said.

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 13:06

>>Arguing with a women is just like arguing with a woman.

Hee, hee. Good one!

But, it is true. There is no point in ever arguing with an insane American women (but I repeat myself, sorry) because they are so messed up in the head they cannot even imagine they are wrong about anything.

Of course, I am wrong when I say there is no point in ever arguing with a woman. On this URL at this time it is ever so much fun, watching her make a damned fool out of herself, imagining she is winning a debate.

>>If she’s working for a non-profit medical outfit while going to school,the Feds will forgive her student loan altogether.
Also, if she’s paid %10/yr for 10 yrs, then the balance will also be forgiven.

There are many ways to get that loan paid, but they all involve work.

In Kansas, a few months ago, one country offered any licensed doctor who comes there, $300,000 a year, including paying off their debt over 5 years. There are similar offers all the time.

But, she cannot practice medicine until she gets a license. I don’t know about M.D.’s but D.O.’s can get their license as a GP after one year, even in a three year Internal Medicine residency, then can moonlight, often making three thousand dollars a weekend, filling for doctors who want a rest.

>>simple pill dispensers and runny nose-wipers.

I call them sniffles and fevers doctors. Actually, we need those, lots of them.

>>She’ll make for a shitty wife and a shitty life.

Worse yet, a shitty doctor.

>>I don’t see her around anymore?

She had to go to class in med school. She will be back. We turn her on…

>>All contracts can be voided

As I said, not unilaterally, nor without penalty. In fact, on other contracts, you can in some cases force the delinquent party to fulfill it. For example you order a supply of diesel fuel for your truck company, and the other party acts like a wife and simply says, “Yawn! I changed my mind.” You can go to court and if that person doesn’t supply the fuel, she will be paying all the lost business and penalties you incur because of her delinquency. Only a married woman can summarily walk away with half the business and a lifetime paycheck from the business after unilaterally canceling her contract.

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 13:08

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DCM May 2, 2012 at 13:10

Sexual repression is nearly always the result of female action.

To solve this problem we have to begin by taking the vote away from females.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 13:15

Judas priest

Brittney must have changed the batteries in her vibrator and back for more gina tingles. Feck, I bet her vibrator is an orbital sander, mains and battery, sand paper optional.

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 13:18

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AndrewV May 2, 2012 at 13:20

I really suspect Brittney is not going to like what Susan Walsh has to say on the subject either:

http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2012/05/02/relationshipstrategies/emotional-prudery-and-promiscuity/

We should start sending women like Brittney over to Susan who will tear her a new one (albeit nicely), over the self-harm so many women appear to be bent on doing, never mind what is happening to men in general.

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American May 2, 2012 at 13:24

Gender-feminists have “Empowered” themselves by saying patriarchy objectifies females. I say neo Gender, Gender-Raunch feminism objectifies women to a degree that would make the old 50′s patriarchs blush.

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 13:25

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American May 2, 2012 at 13:26

As Ariel levy pointed out in her book “female chauvanist pigs” women are making Raunch queens out of themselves and high shcool girls are fallowing their raunchy lead!! Feminist Gender, Gender-Raunch culture is what happens when a patriarchy is broken.

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 13:32

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Bill Brasky May 2, 2012 at 13:38

Brittany,

Your attempt at painting anyone who sees the validity of these messages as unattractive – aside from revealing your inability to argue logically sans ad hominem attacks – doesn’t hold much water these days.

Listen to guys like Daniel Tosh, Jeremy Piven, Joe Rogan, etc: these guys get more ass than a toilet seat (due to fame), yet hold the very attitudes you attempt to deride as exclusive havens of the male loser.

Get it? Didnt think so.

Anyway, why would a halfway attractive young woman spend hours attempting to make arguments on an internet forum…? I have never met an attractive young woman that had any intellectual curiosity, and I doubt youre the first, doll.

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J May 2, 2012 at 13:38

Oh and to the dude who insinuated something about having sex with me… before I throw up let me just say – not a chance in hell. None of the guys I have ever had anything to do with IRL would ever since himself in a place like this… I date real men

I bet that was me! Hehehehehehe

I also hinted at what I do! If you want to say that serving in the military is un-manly….Hahahahahahaha, go ahead.

About the guys you date, there needs to be a correction.

The guys you date are not here YET! But they will be, when they are left holding the bag of child support, or whatever other messed up “freedom” crap you pull.

Also, that language, do you speak like that at your work? Oh my, my ears deceive me! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, did I mention I’m a sailor?

Another correction, I had sex with women like you!

You act like it is hard? So you saw a few posts with pics at another site. AND? I have “HAD” women like you, and others, and I am not going to say it is worth bragging about all that much!

So I guess that means I’m ugly, pathetic, incapable of getting a girl, or having success in life……..Oh boo hoo! I have had a lot of success in life, in sports, in academics, in work life, in adventure, and in treating the opposite sex with dignity! Also, I have dated really hot women from all over the world! So what would I need you for? Don’t you have some studying to do?

I have also endured, and overcome the reverse. The opposite sex being one of the most difficult. I think I speak for a lot of men here!

Many of us have lived overseas, I have twice. There is required a certain element of success in one’s life to do this. I specifically chose to dump American women in general, so saying that you would never sleep with me……….amazingly, allows me great comfort when I sleep! And I sleep next to my foreign hottie really, really well. She also feeds me besides being able to do what you want to do, have it all! We are both successful;)

About your so called “REAL MEN.” Hahahahahahahahahha, those poor, poor bastards! Probably raised by single mom harpie versions of yourself, only to fall victim to the young, and dumb version of their own mother…………YOU;)

If any of this makes you throw up, man it is a great thing you are a med student, that will better help you take care of it yourself(you go girrrrlll), just do it away from us since you claim to not like it here?!

Or maybe, you suspect you are around real men, and want to see what it is like? Cause your “real men” don’t add up, and you don’t waste your time pissing and moaning on your feminist sites all that much.

I think you are on the wrong side of the tracks again!

You should just go.

You probably just lay on your back not doing much anyways!

You certainly don’t brag much about studying anything but the male anatomy anyways, you are a great reason not to have a female doctor!

Cheers ;)

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 13:40

Brittney

So you have a living boyfriend ? Begs the question, why then do you come here for attention to get you wet? You clearly crave it.

For you younger guys. Observe female denial in realtime. She knows full well what I said above is true and yet will go into full hamster rationalization mode rather than having to admit to her own base sexual drives and needs. Brittney is a classic case and of little difference to what most of you will find with the majority of females.

Observe.

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J May 2, 2012 at 13:43

Hey Odd, she likes freedom, I guess she does not mind when her “BF” gets it on at the local swingers clb, since she is a free spirit.

You know, he is only getting his “freedom” on!

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 13:47

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J May 2, 2012 at 13:47

Man, this chica is a glutton for punishment, amongst other things! She went to stormfront? What the hell is she doing there? Open-minded she says?

So she goes around picking fights with people she automatically knows she will never agree with……at the same time, she is better then all of “them.”

So why does she waste her time, if we are not worth it? And she has soo much studying to do?

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Donkey May 2, 2012 at 13:49

@Brittney,

Marriage was around before the House of Burgesses was founded for Virginia in 1619. Marriage will be around after the state of Virginia falls.

Marriage is NOT just a legal agreement.

Marriage is a covenant. It was around before any state. It will be around after any state.

Just because some people do not revere marriage with the terrible awe it demands doesn’t mean you can claim people get married for tax reasons. To do so is just setting up a strawman, limiting marriage to a legal contract, like so many other tedious and dull things, so as to compare it to other legal contracts, like legal contracts involving the exchange of oxen or asses, or the boring EULA when installing software.

I guarantee you most starry-eyed newlyweds are not thinking about taxes and medical power-of-attorney when they tie-knot.

If you are getting married in order to not testify against your fiance in a court of law I highly recommend you reconsider your marriage proposal.

On a personal note, engaging in combox arguments in hostile websites are often unproductive. More substance and logic are usually in the article text than commenter’s bile. Take a breath.

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 13:50

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J May 2, 2012 at 13:54

Why are you reasoning with me lady?

You seem to know better?

Speaking of which, how do I know you are in the medical field? How do we know I am in the military? Either way, does not matter. The fact of the matter is, you are still here…….which leads me to ask why?

I really could care less about who you are dating. I am also not the one who is throwing around “real men/women.”

And for someone who has such a great sense of humour in the face of adversity, you sure are taking offense alot!

For someone who thought she was so BAMF, you seem to be pedaling your feminist “bicycle” back a little bit. Why don’t you do like Gloria Steinem, and go where all the other “cold fish” are. Wht is a strong girl like you doing with all these bicycles anyways?

Oh don’t worry sweet heart, us myopic-hairy-woman-repelling beasts will be just fine without your pleasant wit! Really, we will! Just go!

Oddsock has his inflatable goat even, see, Odd is happy!

*Pinches IG in sweet a$$!*

Hahahahaahahahaha, see, my patheiticness and I are just fine here, release me wise one, and again………just go!

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Georice81 May 2, 2012 at 13:55

@ Brittney

I don’t recall reading anyone’s comment expressing a want to having sex with you. Au contraire! If anything my comment was exactly the opposite. You see, you may not understand it, but we are not just carnal beings but see people as a total package; soul, spirit and body. Loveless sex is not a turn on and most guys in this forum are not looking for that. Instead of attacking us, why don’t you try to understand what we are trying to say and you might learn something and become a better human being in the process.

You think of yourself as hot but that is a matter of opinion. I personally wouldn’t touch you regardless of how attractive you are. I know many very beautiful young women who are also very nice human beings. Your arrogance blinds you to the fact that you only attract selfish guys for their pleasure. Good luck getting old and alone.

Another reason why I wouldn’t touch you is that chances are that you already have several STD’s. If you don’t, you will for sure.

Your arrogance also impedes you from ascertaining that many of the men in this forum are also quite attractive, intelligent and wealthy. You have a lot of growing up to do. I myself have several patents to my name and have graduated from prestigious top 20 universities for both my undergraduate and graduate degrees.

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 13:58

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J May 2, 2012 at 13:58

Try to understand why you guys would look like creepy losers to any unbiased observer

Ahh, there is that sardonic wit again!

I don’t think anyone is really interested here about your life really. Just observing the needs/wants of a person who would so easily throw herself out there like that? Why, do you need to talk to someone?

<———-throws on his pshychologist hat(maybe I am a pshychologist who pretends I am in the military?)

So, what do you want to talk about?

Oh yeah, your relationship life with "real men."

So how is that going Brittney? Really, I care……..hahahahahaha

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J May 2, 2012 at 14:02

…Like I said, I’m not a feminist.

I could not care less if you don’t believe I’m in medical school. I never asked you for your profession and I could not care less whether you’re in the military or not (with the proviso that if you are I hope you are not entrusted with any important matters of national security).

Why do you want to get rid of me so badly? Why do you all dislike my posts? If your position is so obviously right you should be dying to get out there and demolish me with your arguments. Instead you are attacking me, making predictions about my life and basically just talking bullshit.

@britt

I don’t want to get rid of you. I like having you here. I am sure we all do. Lord have mercy on our souls if we make you feel unloved here.

So, talk, tell us how you really feel?

By the way, how is your studying going? LOL

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J May 2, 2012 at 14:03

If I did handle secure matters, and told you I would have to……….oh wiat, Eureka……….YOU REALLY ARE MORE INTELLIGENT.

Be right back(grabbing something)!

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J May 2, 2012 at 14:04

Well, I would love to say its been fun Britt, well, for me it has been. We should do this again sometime.

(call me)* LOL

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 14:04

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J May 2, 2012 at 14:11

Hey britt,
It seems very important to you, so being the gentlemen I am, I will let you go ahead my darling,

get the LAST WORD!

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A completely different J May 2, 2012 at 14:12

Brittney, you realize by continuing to try to make your points in what you clearly consider a concise and logical fashion (it’s neither) you are just amusing us, right? We don’t CARE what you think of us. We KNOW you think we’re a bunch of fat, unwashed neckbeards in our mother’s basements. We cannot possibly say anything that will change that opinion of us. We’re okay with that. See, we actually like who we are. We’re getting enough sex (porn/masturbation/inflatable goats) that WE are happy. Why do you care? If guys on this blog aren’t getting any, they go over to Roissy’s place and brush up on their game. Of course, that means that all they get are drunken bar skanks. Well, personally, I’d rather nail a tight 19 year old skank with a rubber, than I would an entitled thirty something without. You keep prattling on about freedom. Try actually acting on the words that come out of your mouth.

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Eric May 2, 2012 at 14:16

Laura Grace Robbins:
“I’ve noticed an upsurge in MRA blogs by men in their 20s.”

So have I. Not only that, but compared to a decade or so ago, a lot more school-age men are turning to foreign women. I’ve met a lot of men in their late ‘teens-early twenties who tell me they never date American women, but are saving their money for taking semester and summer breaks out of the country and meeting women in some other place. I see a lot more younger guys at the University with foreign girlfriends than I used to see.

A statistic from the recent census backs some of this up. Of married Asian women in America, nearly 1 in 4 has an American husband! The numbers are growing for Latinas too.

LOL—ironically, it seems like the leftist dream of ‘multiculturalism’ is coming true; but not in the way these people hoped! The straight, white, American male whom they hoped to vanquish is coming on top (in more ways than one LOL)!

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 14:17

Brittney May 2, 2012 at 13:50
Oddsock,

“This is the second attempt that you’ve made to turn this into a conversation about my sex life. Notice that J did the same thing. Try to understand why you guys would look like creepy losers to any unbiased observer. Are you that desperate for female attention that you have to try to turn this into a conversation about me using vibrators and getting “wet?” Yuck please find another target for your attentions. As I said, I am not opposed to prostitution so you might want to look into that.”

Young skywalkers

See, Uncle oddsock was correct. Female denial about her base sexuality and needs and in real time. Attention and being treated badly is obviously making her wet and she will continue to visit to get another hit while remaining in constant denial using every twist and turn she can to deflect our observation rather than just admit to it.

Guys, although I am older and perhaps far more disillusioned with modern woman than yourselves, I have to admit, I find women like Brittney that attend sites like the Spearhead quite creepy.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 14:22

Has she gone yet ?

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Eric May 2, 2012 at 14:23

J;
I think that Britney hasn’t figured out that American women have actually managed to become less appealing for a lot of men than virtual sex. But, remember, in her world, it’s always the man’s fault:

‘Christ what’s wrong with you guys!’

We’ve spent about the last two weeks on the Spearhead talking about the virtues of real women in other countries. Maybe that should be a clue that isn’t American men who have the problem…

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 14:24

Whhhooo hooo!

I think I can claim that one with J a close second.

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Huck Finn May 2, 2012 at 14:25

‘Sexual freedom, and all freedoms, are a good thing.’

What about when that freedom is unethically irresponsible to others? Is freedom good when a mother is free to abandon her children because she has a craving to jump back to her youth and join a circus or move far away and hook-up as a cougar with a lover half her age to satisfy her freedom itch?

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Rmaxd May 2, 2012 at 14:27

@Oddsock

Thnx oddsock …

Women like Brittney really dont realise how truly evil they are …

The state of our society does NOT breed maternal mothers

It does NOT breed feminine pure virginal women fit for marriage to men

The state of our society does NOT create decent women fit for society

The state of our society creates evil women, unfit for even the most basic biology

Women like Brittney are so perverse & barbaric they cant even grasp basic logic, or basic civilised social normal behaviour

This is what women simply dont understand

Women are bred to be evil & corrupt & barbaric

Imagine if men were taught by women, to screw over women, steal their homes, wages & children

& then imprison women for not allowing men to steal their homes & everything they work for … all enforced by women with a taser & a court order to keep the slaved men in line

& what if women told men, it was a right to murder their children without the consent of the woman & a rape women legally in court order, if they refused to murder their children

Btw they STILL count 8.5 month old babies as a foetus …

What really pisses me off isnt the manginas OR the feminists …

But its the refusal to hate women, & call them for the evil monsterosities they really are

Women are on the whole biological barbarians, with very little social or technological progress, compared to the massive strides men have made in civilisation & culture

The ONLY reason we have a corrupt & massive repressive society, FILLED with self-censorship ruled by dictators & corrupt scum-like cops

It’s Because men are FORCED to mate with evil barbaric women, who refuse to over-come their biological primitive biology

Men are FORCED to accomodate women who have contributed ZERO social or technological progress to civilisation as a whole

In short we’ve constructed a social structure to accomodate technologically & socially backward primitive women

It’s PRECISELY because women are so technologically & socially primitive & backward, we now have a social structure designed to cater to parasites

Heres the REAL POINT GENTS …

IF WOMEN were anywhere near as technologically & socially literate in advancing society as men, they wouldnt be voting for welfare, stealing from men & robbing & murdering children as a whole

The fact is The vast majority of men WANT progress, women dont

Women want a social construct of progress, they dont want to benefit from progress, they the education or literacy of progress

This is THE REAL PROBLEM WITH WOMEN, they dont want to be educated or literacy, they want social constructs of progress, not real progress you have to work for & die in the millions for …

As a result when we fight & draw blood, what we’re fighting for is literal & technological progress versus, a womens social & cultural biology

Which is still backward & primitive for centuries now, as men’ve sheltered & refused to force women to work

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J May 2, 2012 at 14:31

Hey, how is that I interacted with the only female affection of any kind this year the most in making her go away(even though she loves and hates me), but I come close second to Odd?

Like her love life, it is so unfair!

Muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

This means war, after I pick my kid up, I am going gonzo on Odd’s inflatable sheep!

Since ol’girl seems to think I have blue balls anyways! muahahahahaha

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 14:34

Rmaxd

No need to thank me mate, you made a superb comment with a refreshingly new take with explanation on the condition of todays women. I trust you will continue and perhaps expand on what you have written ? Perhaps and article on here ?

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Eric May 2, 2012 at 14:43

J,
‘how is it that I interacted with the only female affection of the entire year and made her go away?’

Man up and look on the bright side: you only spent a morning and part of the afternoon on this relationship. Imagine going back into the US dating scene and putting up with it for months or years. And you got out of it without a false accusation, a custody battle, child-support, or a divorce settlement.

I’ll have to remind you, too, that it’s all your fault: ‘you didn’t see the warning signs’ and ‘your standards are too high’. Even though Britney was perfect, ‘you weren’t man enough to keep her happy.’ Now she’s doubtless chasing down her bad-boy ex and promising to drop the Restraining Order against him and post his bail, if he’ll promise to move back in with her.

Oh, well…just remember that ‘it’s all about luck’ and there are ‘plenty of good ones out there.’ You’ll just have to try harder and not be so negative next time…

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Tom Smith May 2, 2012 at 14:43

Brittany,:
Thank you for making the conversation interesting.

However, since I am a lawyer (and occasionally do family work), I will tell you that your so-called “arguments” with regard to child support and custody are false completely without merit.

There are two standards in custody court- one for men and one for women. And the standard that applies to women- particularly when the children are small- is that women can do no wrong.

For instance, I have watched as judges (they’re called manginas on this site) return children to mothers when mother is using meth around the kids. If this was a father doing the same- particularly with a male judge- the children would be in foster care (assuming mother was not available).

Second, with regard to the issue of child support, women can be ordered to pay, but they are rarely jailed or FORCED to pay. Men are most always forced to pay by either: 1) being jailed or 2) having their professional licenses taken away and/or 3) having their ability to get a passport suspended.

Case in point: a colleague represents a father who has sole physical and legal custody of the parties’ children. Mother owes 20,000, and the kids receive government benefits. Has mother been required to produce a job diary??- NO. Has she been jailed?- NO. And has she been arrested??-NO. Has her driver’s license been suspended??- NO.

Let me tell you, if that was me (a father), my law suspended, my driver’s license would be suspended, and I would be in jail. The court would have held me in contempt for filing multiple motions regarding diability status (mother has done this, and the court found these to be untrue).

If you are truly a 20-something, you have a lot to learn. And your positions cannot be supported with FACTS, and your rhetoric is nothing but AIR. As someone who knows people like Mr. Price- who has seen how unfair the divorce court situation is- you should do a little more research before you open your (young) mouth, and post on this site.

And yes, I agree with Mr. Price about sex and the state of the American woman. When I woman is married, she is EXPECTED to have sex with her husband, and refusal to do so- on the grounds of headache, not being in the mood, etc.- should be grounds for fault divorce (and hence the woman’s fault ought to be considered in any asset division).

It is high time the principle of “equal justice under law” applied to fathers who come into family (or child protection) court.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 14:44

J

I will rent you one of my old inflatable sheep if you like? A few patches and repairs here and their but still fully functional. Oh, and a few bite marks but you could paint them or something.

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Laura Grace Robins May 2, 2012 at 14:45

“OK you have succeeded in running the one woman you will interact with this year off…congrats?”

They interact with me just fine.

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American May 2, 2012 at 14:49

I would have to agree with brittany, when a couple of you guys here rant on, and on, and on about her vibrates, and such shit, it does make us look Raunchy.

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random reader May 2, 2012 at 14:50

“Brittney” is giving y’all a tutorial in Trolling 101. Notice how it didn’t respond to Price’s lengthy, thoughtful comment, only the angrier responses? Notice how it has effectively derailed the discussion here? Hell, there’s a good chance “Brittney” isn’t even female. Just someone who enjoys riling up those who are easily riled.

IOW, don’t feed it.

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American May 2, 2012 at 14:53

A sound father would teach his son sexual restraint, while Gender, Gender-Raunch want him jerking off with dildoes, vibrators, and free lube.

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woggy May 2, 2012 at 15:00

Brittany wrote:

“Wow just wow. I never thought I’d inspire so much anger in men I’ve never even slept with!”

Is she admitting that the guys she HAS slept with have reason to be angry?
Sounds like it to me.

She sounds like nothing more than a booksmart kid whose entire argument that men have more low risk sex than ever before hinges around the idea that written law bears a semblance of “equality”.

What if someone said that, in the United States (and the colonies before), it was never considered lawful or ethical for a man to beat his wife, and therefore it never happens.
Bet she’d hop right to it and point out that written law isn’t always heeded or properly enforced.

Modern laws relating to sexual behavior may be written with a smack of equality – otherwise even the brain dead politicians would balk at their passage – but enforcement is often placed in the hands of crusading feminist social workers and white knighting cops who imagine themselves deep in the pants of every female plaintiff.

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American May 2, 2012 at 15:08

The American Gender, Gender-Raunch community “Empower” themselves by perverting American Law enforcement into manufacturing perverted statistics for them.
Gender-Raunch (now at the federal level), then take these perverted and or “Manufactured statistics” and Inflame the public (mostly colleges) in order for their own Empowerment.
This is a perverse stain on American law enforcement.

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American May 2, 2012 at 15:12

The perverted and or manufactured statistics that American law enforcement are getting federal pork bloating dollars to create, are not only a perverse stain on the institution of law enforcement, its unconstitutional.

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keyster May 2, 2012 at 15:16

Christ what’s wrong with you guys! – Britanny

We’re tired of the over-inflated egos of today’s American women. Sassy is not the new cute. It’s tedious, if not repugnant.
A little humility and modesty is a positive attribute.

We like women.
We don’t like women who’re inherently defective men – – that still thinks sexual power even matters anymore.

A man wants a wife, not a co-worker; a partner, not a competitor.
If you had any intellectual depth at all, you’d understand.
Pretending you’re smart doesn’t count.

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Rmaxd May 2, 2012 at 15:22

@Oddsock

Yes, I’m definitely going to post some articles on here, I know Price appreciates new writers

Im working on my blog atm, as soon as its up I’ll submit some articles, mainly as thanks for the incredible work W.F Price puts out

I also want to thank you oddsock, & boxer, tfh & the rest of the excellent commentators, your insights & comments make The-Spearhead easily one of the most influential sites in the manosphere …

You guys dont realise it but you’re all making history, years from now the ideas & rights discussed on sites like this, will become accepted wisdom

Notice how larger sites like Roissy, Roosh, IMF, etc disseminate & spread MRA issues

The excellent & meticulous work of the spearhead, AVFM etc., form the hub for groundbreaking comments & articles on the rights for men

What I love is the idea of the outcry if this site & AVFM ever got published in a mainstream rag …

What cracks me up, if you want to see how hysterical & repressive women really are …

Post an inconvenient truth

Or an uncomfortable truth

Or post something which goes against a society based on women remaining parasites & backward feminist illiterate throwbacks

Nothing pisses women off more, then forcing them to see past their society as some social facebook to attention whore in …

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MaMu1977 May 2, 2012 at 15:31

@Brittney

Paediatrician, dermatologist or plastic surgeon?
After a decade in the health industry, I noticed that more than 65% of all female physicians ended up either working weekends, entering into one of those three specialties or outright retiring by the ten-year mark (in comparison, male physicians have a 10% retirement rate and 25% re-training rate at the ten year mark, and their retraining often involves entering into the internal medicine/cardiology/neurology/gaetroentaerology fields, not puff piece or glamour/convenience fields.) Either way, women who brag about becoming physicians have ceased to impress me. I’ve met too many of your ilk to grant any type of “street cred” to you.

P.S- if your actual career path is in psychology, GFY.

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Poester99 May 2, 2012 at 15:38

@Oddsock

Guys, although I am older and perhaps far more disillusioned with modern woman than yourselves, I have to admit, I find women like Brittney that attend sites like the Spearhead quite creepy.

ftw

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 15:39

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AndrewV May 2, 2012 at 15:41

@Tom Smith May 2, 2012 at 14:43

Perhaps this video would help Brittany understand something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYb5xSd4PRs

Mind, I do recall that when I was seventeen, immortal, invulnerable, and invincible, not to mention that I knew everything there was worth knowing, arguing with me was pointless.

So I would not actually hold my breath based on that.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 15:44

“Guatemalan mail order brides”

Anyone know if they have any sheep in Guatemala ?

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 15:46

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Mahhrat May 2, 2012 at 15:46

Just as a thought: How many people here consider that the freedom to not have sex is a valid expression of sexual freedom?

I’ve never seen it submitted that abstinence is an effective counter to the sexual revolution (which is not to say it hasn’t been said). We all somehow expect sex, presumably because the ‘hero gets the girl’.

If we men, who apparently have so much control, ever actually started exercising it, what do you think would happen to the “sexual revolution”? What do you suppose happens to all the “sluts” who suddenly are not rewarded with the sex they so crave?

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 15:48

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Poester99 May 2, 2012 at 15:48

HAHAHAHAHA

. Society profits from keeping as many men as possible from knowing that they are being used as beasts of burden and that are only valued for what they can do, instead intrinsically like women.

Sad but true, the reasoned paradigm shift that is being discussed here and all over the place (frequently without people knowing where the meme came from) can be summarized for young women such as Brittney, that insist on being intentionally obtuse :

“the “creeps” are taking over the world!”

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Opus May 2, 2012 at 15:50

O/T

I thought this worth mentioning:

I observed today on the BBC web-site, a link to an article entitled: “The Masculinists – Just what’s behind the men’s movement” – accompanied by a nice pic of some Father’s4 Justice guys in T shirts. I haven’t read the article but that is not the sort of headline or picture you get from the Marxist Beeb when they are attacking any of their favourite targets. It seems the MRM is crossing over into the MSM. From little acorns…

Some say there is no MRM, others say that blogs like this one achieve nothing. Last week it was the Sydney Morning Herald quoting Dalrock, now the Beeb are actually noticing Men. Things are happening.

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Poester99 May 2, 2012 at 15:52

yet you guys disliked EVERY post of mine into disappearing. Posts which are not at all offensive, mean, angry or aggressive.

You seem to still exist

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 15:52

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Jabberwocky May 2, 2012 at 15:55

Random reader is right. The only appropriate replies to Brit would be a blitzkrieg of smart ass ones followed by ignoring her. Do I need to come around more often to show some of you rookies how to tear down a person’s comments? Kick the soap box out from fucking under there feet and walk away. Wait, I’ll just show you. Let me grab one of her posts:

“Wow. Your opinions on the sexual marketplace are much different from most men’s.”

-Yeah, what could a large group of men who dedicate much of their intellectual time engaging in gender and culture issues possibly know about men opinions on the sexual market place?! The nerve we have. We must be stupid to have been so wrong. You win. Tell us all about men and their opinions, from your superior perspective of being a women.

“I don’t know how old you are, but most young men love having access to casual sex without having to do much in return.”

-Are you a slut. We know you’re attractive. You must be a slut. See, as a women, you don’t get it. All you sluts sleep with a small group of men we label alphas, having a jolly ole’ time swapping body fluids and stories of hedonism throughout your prime years, cuz yes lil’ lady, women expire eventually, and when you’re all washed up, coming running for a “nice-guy” to help raise your bastard spawn, or you just suckle off the teet of big-daddy govenment, ie. hard working men’s taxes.

“You are incredibly myopic if you really think women have nothing to fear from sex.”

-Baby hater.

“Women bear most of the burden for unplanned pregnancies.”

-That’s why you shouldn’t be sluts. So men and taxpayers don’t subsidize your bad choices.

“It is she who has to “take care of it” or carry the child to term, sacrificing her healt and beauty in the process.”

-Yeah, cuz that beauty sure is powerful. You wouldn’t want to lose that ace up your sleeve. And health? Have you seen the stats of work related fatalities, suicides, and life expectancy. It’s men who should be worrying about their health, not you and your baby making parts.

“Sure, the dad is supposed to pay child support… if he can be found and if he has a job.”

-Women shouldn’t be sleeping with scum bag criminals, but they do, don’t they. More taxes us responsible men have to kick in for sluts bad choices.

“You are incredibly naive if you don’t realize that there are tons of women out there (most of them young and poor) who don’t receive any support from the father of their kids). And why should the guy’s commitment to the woman impact whether he has to pay child support? It’s child support, not mom support.”

-Tomato potato. Money is fungible. I’ll give you a second to look that up since I had to look up myopic you pretentious bitch.

“And you conveniently note that women can “easily” prevent pregnancies, but that a guy is on the hook if he gets a girl pregnant. Hm, men can easily prevent pregnancy too. It’s called wearing a condom.”

-Wearing a condom is like eating candy with the wrapper still on. You wouldn’t understand. You’re incapable of seeing things through another genders perspective due to either your lack of empathy or imagination…. quite possibly both. You are a women.

“The ways in which you try to excuse men from all responsibility for their behavior while demonizing women is just laughable.”

-LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Hardly. Straw man on fire.

“You say that men have fewer sexual freedoms and men more, but you haven’t listed any real ways in which men are more sexually restricted, so you seem primarily unhappy that women have more sexual freedom than they did in the past.”

-Most men don’t get a wife who is pure and virtuous. That bothers many men. Just ask your father and grandfather.

“Why? Sexual freedom, and all freedoms, are a good thing.”

-No. Are you an idiot. Never say such an absolute thing. All laws and customs essentially restrict our freedoms. Are you saying getting rid of laws and customs is then always good? No, I didn’t think so. You know, I’m stopping here, I’m just ashamed the acolytes or old dogs didn’t push your face down in the poo poo you made all over our man cave earlier. Run along now.

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Jim May 2, 2012 at 16:03

AndrewV

I liked the video you posted.

This is what our country has become. We have far and away the most people incarcerated per capita in any country in the world.

I hope that guy’s wife ends up in prison for life.

Do women go to jail for paternity fraud…no never.

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AndrewV May 2, 2012 at 16:03

@Brittney May 2, 2012 at 15:39,

*sigh*.

I know I am being trolled but you are not the only one who has had their comments downvoted.

The solution is simple though, just click on them and all will be revealed.

I have been downvoted on the odd occasion myself (I believe people did not appreciate my comment about Obama being Bush in blackface) but that is way better than what happenes at Jezebel and Feministing where my comments never get posted.

Being downvoted never stops me from reading what Laura writes for example, and it did not stop me from reading your comments.

My suggestion at this point is go to Susan Walsh and hang out there, she will not let the men abuse you there, but she will bitch-slap you herself.

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Renee May 2, 2012 at 16:04

Hey Brittney,
May I suggest that if you want to have a generally insightful discussion about sex, the sexes, the Sexual Market Place today, etc without insults hurled at you lol, Susan Walsh’s “Hooking Up Smart” is a pretty awesome site.

Nothing against Welmer (he posts some pretty eyeopening and interesting stuff here), but this isn’t really the place to go to if you new to what’s going on between the sexes or if you have a differing opinion.

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Georice81 May 2, 2012 at 16:06

@Brittney,

Just the mere fact that you are still here and communicating with us demonstrates that we are indeed respectful of what you have to say. We disagree but we do answer your posts.

So, does this constitute an answer to your challenge?

By the way, some of us are at work and don’t have time to proofread what we write. We only have a minute or so to answer your postings, so proper syntax, grammar and spelling goes out the window.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 16:09

Poester99

Exactly, what many do not realize is we are in the process of creating a new masculine meme. I suggest mens rights are simply the platform or catylist. Men are just sick to the back teeth of being dumped on and used as cannon fodder wage slave pack horses.

There is much evidence of men dropping out of society in many countries throughout the Anglosphere, Australia is a perfect example. Here in the UK there was a report quite a few years back about the disappearance of at least a million young men, referred to as NEETS. Not in education employment or training, basically off the social radar. Also a reason why we have so many young single mothers in the UK. It is a career choice. Older men are also dropping out or choosing under employment or part time work. I also suspect both groups have had little contact with any MRA group or website, it just seems to be happening and probably because of all the reasons we discuss on here and other male friendly websites. Interesting times indeed.

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J May 2, 2012 at 16:15

@Oddsock and Eric,

You guys made me laugh man. I promise to take great care of her Odd, and if we have offspring you can get them 10 of her visitation time!

Eric, brother you are sooo right, my wife(britt) is a mena one, and she makes a mean imaginary frozen pissa. But with all her med studies, philosophy, sociology and stuff, whats a modern girl to do. Maybe I should slap her around so I can get her to leave her ex by having her get ME more RO’s?

Ah, no thanks Hopefully her ex is huge, can you guess where I think he has it stuck?

LOL, my point exactly, why she is always here. SHE LOVES US! Yeah!

OHHHHHHHHHHHH BRITTNEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! Hi honey, I’m home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Muahahahahaha

Did you miss your daddy sweet thang? LOL

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J May 2, 2012 at 16:17

I see it was as good for you as it was for me. Or maybe I just live here because I have no life, and no sexy med student to love me in my spare time I am not wacking off! But I digress……LOL

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J May 2, 2012 at 16:19

So Renee,

You’re basically saying that differing opinions just aren’t accepted here and that if you disagree you’re going to be insulted, regardless of how well-reasoned your arguments are and how polite you are? If so I will give up and stop frustrating myself. I

Yup, that bout sums it up. You disagree, with well made up……….Hmmmmph, I don’t see any arguments, just cacckling?

I guess your arguments are really “made up?” I get it, you are a comedian too! Why I love you soo little! Since its our anniversary I’ll buy you a packet of syrup at IHOP!

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 16:19

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J May 2, 2012 at 16:23

Sure are a lot of people talking about your sex life, according t you hon?!

But have no fear………(goes to closet to get not so shiny white armor)

I know what to do!

<———wearing armor, goes to local water tower with a can of red paint and a brush to defend Britts chast…honor.

LOL

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J May 2, 2012 at 16:25

But Im a man, since according to you a I am a lonely man who is neither married, nor worthy of female companionship, I must agree with.

So I act my son’s age……….or he is acting my age?

Or………Maybe the wise female med student can enlighten this morose, haggard, stupid, *silly:P :( ) :D * (sic) male back to health.

I got just one thing to say to you……………HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOO NURSE! LOL

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Jacko May 2, 2012 at 16:30

Britt,

I must admit I admire your tenacity. I want to try to address some of your complaints about lack of stats, data, etc. I won’t be able to do a full job of it, but, I’m a lawyer and I just don’t have the time. I wish I was a student again!

1. Declining marriage rates. Look at the data from the U.S. Census:

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1336.pdf

The data is clear. Fewer people are getting married. More children are being born to unmarried parents. More children are being raised by single mothers.

Why worry about this you ask? Answer: children raised by intact households by both biological parents do better [much better] than those who are not raised in said environment.

Researchers have found that academic achievement is markedly lower for kids raised in single parent households:

http://www.eui.eu/Personal/Dronkers/articles/Journalmarriagefamily2003.pdf

This Finnish study found that males raised by single mothers are eight [8] times more likely to engage in violent criminal and to reoffend:

http://herkules.oulu.fi/isbn9514259416/isbn9514259416

2. Most divorce filers are women:

http://aler.oxfordjournals.org/content/2/1/126.abstract

3. It’s a bad idea for men to marry a woman with a promiscuous past. One indication of this is the extremely high divorce rate for second and subsequent marriages. Anybody marrying a divorcée is taking a huge risk – there’s a two [2] out of three [3] chance that the marriage will end in divorce. For third marriages it’s even higher:

http://www.divorcerate.org/

There is a genetic link between promiscuous behaviour and marital infidelity:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0014162

I could like to other studies on a number of other manosphere topics, but I just don’t have time right now. Enjoy!

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J May 2, 2012 at 16:32

You, stop? I doubt it.

What challenge? You have not issued any challenge toots.

Unless you mean your incessant cackling like a fattnened hen is a challenge?

The only two challenges I can see so far are as follows:

1. You’re still here! Either you have a really morbid curiosity in your fascination of us “real men.” Or you are an hypocritically lame idiot, or both? Can you guess where I am going et sherlock?

2. Somewhere in all your constant ramblings, there was a coherent statement that any one of us can refute by either A Personal experience, or B a mountain f statistical evidence.

I can personally do both.

SO I figure that you are here because you actually think you are a female bad A$$, when I just think your another moron.

You make me feel bad for the American women left here who find it impossible to get anywhere in life with American men because everytime we walk by them or you, we suspect they are one of you! So we walk right by.

I know your slow, for an intelligent person. Probably the stupidest smart person I have come across in awhile. So let me spell it out for you!

S T O P !

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 16:35

Damn I failed. Over to you J

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greyghost May 2, 2012 at 16:35

This turned out to be pretty good Welmer. You all here look like you were having fun with Brittney. As you all have shown me and anybody else reading along and learning there is no point in argueing in debate with a woman. She is very arrogant and secure fully aware of the laws of misandry written and enforced to her benefit.
This is the basis for MGTOW, and the grass eaters of Japan. Also she thrived on the attention. It will be short lived she will age out in a few. Women like her are also why I love the practicers of “game” and the PUA. TFH and I and it seems more and more red pill men see those guys as doing the lords work for they use up and waste these skanks on the cock carousel. Thus sparing beta men from having to pay for a divorce from these women.
Her behavior and attitude is normal for a woman but the society that lets it stand with out consequence is abnormal. Indifference is her greatest fear you can see it in her writing. Never speak to her directly but answer her arguements and comments in conversation with another. Also she is an an excellent example of the meme that women do not have the capacity to love. (text book)
The MRM should spend less time argueing with women it only makes them feel stronger and demand more power. Nothing makes a woman more empowered in her selfish being than stomping down on something helpless. Trust me on that, abortion and how women proudly speak of it has a right that no one has a say in unless you are saying you want to pay for it. She enjoyed hearing of the pain caused to men from misandry and showed it by insulting us as losers because we were not out supplicating to some cunt. This woman needs to be Gamed by PUA thru her thirties and as she ages off the cock carousel red pill betas will pass on it and then MGTOW will get her to mother natures wall. Mid forties in fertility and then we will hopefully have a childless spinster making a good living for ever never being more than something to put a penis in. She will never change but then again throw a disabled man in jail after taking his license to practice his discipline is not to actually collect money from him but for the rest of us to see. Guys like Dalrock will privide guidance to women that desire more than childless spinsterhood. I don’t care one bit about the cunts I just don’t want misandry by law.
Number one goal for all MRA and the MRM should be a nonhormonal male birth control pill.

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keyster May 2, 2012 at 16:40

You’re basically saying that differing opinions just aren’t accepted here and that if you disagree you’re going to be insulted, regardless of how well-reasoned your arguments are and how polite you are? If so I will give up and stop frustrating myself.

Let me reiterate in case you missed it the first time; differing opinions ARE accepted here, you simply are not used to men openly disagreeing with you on such issues.

You’re being insulted exactly because your arguments are NOT well-reasoned, but rather classic feminist rhetoric – – we’ve heard it ALL before…it’s boring. You’re boring.

You have to earn a man’s respect if you want “equality”. If you think men respect you, it’s only because they want to get into your pants. They don’t give a shit about who you really are. This is a new concept for you I know. Men here are about gender equality, and you’re little narratives have as much depth as a 17 year old could muster.

It’s not personal and its not because your a woman, it’s because you simply don’t measure up. Feminists are losing the debate sweetums, one blog post at a time. Low and behold women are not that fantastic and special after all!

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Boxer May 2, 2012 at 16:42

Brittney sez…

Yap Yap Yap! Answer my challenge! Man up! Look at me! Love me! Pay attention to me!

Shut up, whore. Nobody gave you permission to speak.

Regards, Boxer

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A completely different J May 2, 2012 at 16:43

I wish we could discuss things rationally, Brittney. There really are reasons (other than being bitter about women not having sex with us) that guys are angry. The problem is, every time a man opens his mouth to criticize a woman, all that he gets in response is contempt. So let’s start over. I, for one, will answer any question you have, to the best of my ability, taking you completely seriously, and eschewing any insult. However, the moment anything that calls my personal character, or my personal success or abilities, or indeed the particular characters, successes, or abilities of any man posting here, comes up, I will consider you to have forfeited your right to claim the name of scientist. Scientists look at facts, and draw their conclusions from them. I offer you the opportunity to have your questions answered, but I demand that the discussion remain on adult terms.

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J May 2, 2012 at 16:47

Ahhhhhh, finally.

My reply to your “challenge.”

“Andrew,

It’s not the “disliking” itself that bothers me; I realize that you can unhide votes. It’s the hive mentality. Why are people disliking a post of mine that just asks for clarification on a point, for example? Clearly some people just went through and “disliked” everything I posted. This strikes me as incredibly stupid, childish and sheeplike.

I did not go through the comments “disliking” every post other than mine, and believe it or not, I even “liked” some posts. I don’t understand how people who are so convinced on the infallibility of their position can be so reluctant to being challenged on it. I would love to go back and forth in debate on these topics; only one or two people even RESPONDED to me substantively, and those who did wrote off any response of mine before I could make it, claiming I was too young to get it in one case, and distorting my words and arguing that since I had a different conception of “rights” than he did, that must mean I don’t care about liberty at all and just want freedom for myself (Price).

I have posted on many many sites and blogs (I admit to being something of a nerd) and I have never encountered people so defensive and close-minded; even stormfront posters were willing to defend their positions in a logical manner! My looks were never insulted and I wasn’t accused of being an angry minority or something. I consider those people whackos of the highest order so it’s sad that their behavior was more mature and sensible than that which I have found here. ”

You see, this is what you should have started with way up at the top.

I can do ay more then riducule. However, I have been nailed in three states all the same way, I barely get to see my kid.

I don’t care how old you are. I don’t need to hear someone complain about how she is treated here when she comes out “swinging” from the start! Also, your approach from the begining was to “belittle” the men here.

Case in point, as I do have a family with me to take care of.

In medieval Japan there use to be a famous swordsman. I don’t remember his name exactly, but I do know he was feared above all others!

His short temper was well known. “Conventions” back then were held in buddhist temples. He was attending one this day to improve his swordsmanship. As he walked in, two other men,swordsman in their own right, stood up to challenge him. Immediately, they charged! He killed both of them with two swipes with his wooden baken(wooden practice sword). After it was done, and his “honor” secure, a priest pulled him aside and asked him if he understood why this happened.

No, he replied, so the priest proceeded to instruct him. “you must control your presence.” What the priest meant was that as he walked in, his presence held an air of superiority that offended the other two men. Even though he won, he killed two men needlesly because he repsected no one, nor gave any!

Unlike this ancient swordsman, you are not the baddest person here. I have no reason to give you respect when you talk about me, or the others here in such a way that is disdainful. We don’t care who or what you are. You did not come correct, and when others here “did” answer your so called “challenge,” you were severly dismissive. This is our turf, if you don’t like it, you can always leave!

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Epoche* May 2, 2012 at 16:57

@Britney
Some of us dont even like talking to women anymore, so can you please bring up a point or go away?

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J May 2, 2012 at 16:59

Gutter trype, this chick is up to something! No one would do this much without leaving before this, so she has an agenda. Probably posting hrself on a feminist website, showing her spinsters how she is taking it to guys over here? LOL, the sad thing is(for them), they will of course think she is right! The only thing that you can do with someone like this who si so unreasonable, is to let life itself beat them up.

She will always act like she knows better, and even though she feigns reason, she is anything but. The more we drop insults on her, the more she thinks she is right. The more we agree, the more she thinks she is right. The more “silliness” as she calls it, I drop on her head, the more she thinkks she is right.

However, LOL, the greatest thing about this, is that she is her own worst nightmare, the monster in her own closet if you will!

If we cannot win her over, she can not win over herself. She is too foolish to be reasoned with, leave her to her own devices, that is the worst punishment she can get. I now it does not fit her “crime.” However, her punishment is worse then her crime. She thinks because she can get a boyfriend that she is not “alone” However, like a father that is present physically, but absent emotionally, so too is her own conscience. She will whither under her own sun, and it willl never get unbearable for her! Like a frog that is boiled in warm water that slowly gets hot, she is cooking herself, and does not know it.

Sad, for her.

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J May 2, 2012 at 17:01

Sure britt, I can’t answer your challenge, no one can. So just leave. TY.

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Crank May 2, 2012 at 17:05

@brittany
you keep pointing the inappropriateness of speculation on your sex life, but it was you who first wrote this:

“As you noted, most men who are attractive to women love the availability of casual sex and most would never want to shame women out of having sex. The guys who hate “sluts” can’t get laid and hate the women who have sex with everyone else but them; they wish these women didn’t have the right to do this.”

The implication is that Welmer and those who agree with him just can’t get laid. So, I would suggest you start by treating others as you wish to be treated.

Anyway, you still haven’t disputed Welmer’s overall point – which is that the risks of sex (even in marriage) have been wildly shifted so that men bear much more legal risk, either by being accused of wrong doing or high financial penalty. This has been done with the intention of absolving women of risk in their lives as much as humanly possibly (mostly, of course, “for the good of the children”).

As to telling men to use a condom if they don’t like the risk, do you and boyfriend always use a condom? Or does he rely on you to take the pill, as would be the case in most normal long term couples? See, the thing is, neither partner likes the condom, and women control all the reasonably acceptable means of contraception and/or pregnancy termination.

And as to this comment:

“Yeah, you’re definitely not a lawyer. All contracts can be voided. ”

Well, I am one, and a pretty successful one at that. And you’re comment is silly. Not all contracts can be “voided” at the will of either party. Nor, really, can a marriage contract. The problem is that the current marriage “contract” is really just a contract as to how to split assets and child custody in the event of dissolution – and in most cases it heavily favors women in it’s application and incents them to divorce (or, more accurately, shifts nearly all of the costs of that decision onto the male wage earner).

There was a time when when men were favored in divorce – and divorce rates were very low. Now women are heavily favored, and divorce rates are very high. The feminists would say that’s “because women no longer have to put up with mens’ shit”, as if there was never any shit from women that men put up with on a daily basis.

Before you characterize me as “bitter”, I’m married, with two kids, with a wife who will sex me up as much as I can muster. But that doesn’t mean I can’t look around and see what is happening to a lot of other men (and, for that matter, what could happen to me if my “status”, as seen by her primal attraction centers, suddenly drops precipitously).

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J May 2, 2012 at 17:09

“I asked you to show me an instance of ANOTHER person disagreeing on this site and being met with courtesy and respect.

You say this has happened:

“differing opinions ARE accepted here,”; thus I repeat my challenge… again. Show me. Just one. ”

Ahhh, here it is. She finally comes out with her challenge. Alright boys, this is a erfect reprsentitive sample of feminist’s hought processes.

When a man or womn starts out, they are usually open minded, but as a prejudice takes over, they start to ask circular questions. Case in point, this psychopath Britt.

“I asked you to show me an instance of ANOTHER person disagreeing on this site and being met with courtesy and respect.”

Obviously, you can’t win this, because she has framed it so you can’t.

For exmple: On women’s sites, I never get respected. Show me just one instance!”

“but you called us 8itches J.”

See, you are complete and total GUTTER TRAMPS, you are too stupid because you are women! Just answer my “challenge..” TY.

As you see, she thinks she is smart because she is wasting our time, so she thinks. However, this presents us a perfect opportunity to demonstrate why women like her are worthless.

Ok everyone, all together now, THANKS BRITT!

Your shining example will be used to show all our up and coming members what we are talking about!

Don’t marry, you are likely to pull this(read: Britt) black marble out the bag. Deth would be better.

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Anti Idiocy May 2, 2012 at 17:10

“you are all going to get Guatemalan mail order brides”

I can get a mail order Guatemalan bride?

How? Where?

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J May 2, 2012 at 17:11

Your welcome, and thanks for coming, although you think you are wasting my time, you are really wasting your own. For a med student who is studying so much, you sure have a lot of time on your hands.

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greyghost May 2, 2012 at 17:16

These last two from Brittney here are waht I was talking about. Nice try J but you are peeing in to the wind. Men are not seen by this woman as on an equal plain. So this discussion needs to progress to how does the MRA direct the MRM to correct this type of behavior in the long term. This behavior and attitude is enforced by law and she knows it. From a woman’s mind (solipsism) by law men are second class to women. And as she has given example after example we are never to forget that. I’m not. Rather than convince this woman or any other women that men are human, dumb move due to lack of capacity for women to love. The MRM needs to undrstand this feral behavior and make the connection that well behaved women that show empathy for others are just as childishly self centered as Brittney here.

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Rmaxd May 2, 2012 at 17:16

Brittney …

What exactly are the points you want us to respond to?

State a bulletpoint list with some basic rational logic & we’ll be more then happy to bitchslap your points into shape …

ATM you’re coming off as a typical skanky vacuous ditzy blond …

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Uncle Elmer May 2, 2012 at 17:16

My wife has returned from her travels, and made me drag all this crap through through the airport.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/vietfood.jpg

I would post a comment on topic but am a little busy right now.

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J May 2, 2012 at 17:17

Wow,

“J.,

Wouldn’t it just be easier to respond to my points or admit that you cannot rather than writing these long-winded responses that respond to everything BUT my point and try to fool people who are less adept at debate than I am into getting into discussions about my boyfriend, my future and all sorts of other things that have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion?

I don’t know what your educational background is, but I don’t understand how you can have such little pride in your ability to communicate. This site is open to everyone in the world to read; don’t you realize that simply repeating things like “She won’t get it so she’s going to end up alone” while making absolutely no argument just makes you look really unintelligent? I would be embarrassed, I think. ”

Read this, she must really be flushed in the face. So supreme is her confidence in her debate abilities. But there has been no debate?

I think she should have become a lawyer, then senator, gutter tramps like her are why we are in this mess in the first place. I think she missed her calling.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 17:19

Is Guatemala an American state I have never heard of before ? Sounds Welsh to me.

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Rmaxd May 2, 2012 at 17:19

@Greyghost

Awesome post greyghost … as always

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 17:21

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J May 2, 2012 at 17:21

I almost agree greyghost, I honestly think we should do away with them. However, I fear we are becoming them. If men, in our great strengths thought like her, we would have rampant violence in the streets. Callig her tramp makes no sense, she views it as a compliment, and her personal charter as a woman. Her trials as a woman if you will.

Honestly, her behavior here must be feminism’s new mormon thing, where they send them to our houses as they “come of age.” Too bad, all that intelligence wasted on a moron. I know it is very little intelligence for the most part, but it is such a waste! LOL

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Rmaxd May 2, 2012 at 17:23

@Brittney

Actually you’re projecting your hatred & delusions of men …

Typical clueless american skank …

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Epoche* May 2, 2012 at 17:27

What is your challenge?

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Rmaxd May 2, 2012 at 17:32

@Brittney

In your case, yes they do …

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greyghost May 2, 2012 at 17:36

Now fellas ,you see that last reply I wasn’t even talking to her I was talking to you guys. She did the classic you are scaring me type shaming thing. The good thing is I won’t ever pay her child support or make payments on her shit. That is all that matters and also any new men here can see how this behavior looks in practice. That is the most important thing. As an MRA that has chosen to publicly comment on Welmers blog I have by default of my actions have taken a leadership position. And as such my priorities lie in doing the best I can for beta men to have a realistic red pill understanding of western society.

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Uncle Elmer May 2, 2012 at 17:37

The quality of someone’s comments is inversely proportional to the number of question marks in their text.

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Rmaxd May 2, 2012 at 17:40

@Brittney

What exactly are you sighing at?

You’ve pretty much stated everyone here hates women, as such …

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 17:46

Feck me , it’s 1.45 am here. Off to me pit. I think I will have the deluxe black sheep tonight. Now where’s me foot pump?

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J May 2, 2012 at 17:47

LOL, she did this for hours on stormfront??!

This makes her intellectually superior?

She does this for giggles, and anything we say is a personal attack.

Why I left American Women. She reminds me of my ex. Notice how she never actually responds, only obfuscates the underlying issues of the comments. This is what even low level women do. She thinks she has won, but what has she won? However, it mainly because she has nothing of value to say, her feminist training manual she reads from does not have ay answers.

When she goes to bed at night, whatever a low level harpie does when she sleeps, what will she think of? I will sleep soundly tonight, and not think of this one. I have too much to take up my time. But this sucker here, she will go to bed thinking of all the insults we have leveled at her and think to herself(or maybe themselves, as I doubt one person would do this much), that she won an argument. When she looks at her boyfriend, she will remeber what we said. When she passes down a street, and a man pays herno intention, she will think he might read of us.

This is what I had to leave, you have to put up with a midless Amercan woman and her useless backtalk, like Britt, and leave for someone more important. Everything you bring to the marriage table she keeps, and in the end, you are not even left with her worthless attitude. Why I left my ex standing at the altar. LOL I love my first son, but he deserves better then the worthless mother I had bring him. This one deserves nothing, unless she finally gets it. But I don’t feel for her. She calls it hatred, I call it indifference! For all of you younger unmarried men out there…………You see this(Britt)?

Fricking Run! She will think she has won! You cannot win an argument with a woman like this. You vote her out with your feet, in other words, let her mindless babbling be silenced by the view of your back as you leave her. This is what torments my ex to this day. Even with the legal system behind her, even with this kind of nonsense, she is alone.

I am done with you, as I am with my ex. There will come a time when you will remember this conversation, and realize what a piece of trash you actually are. I hope your satisfaction, if you can call it that, is enough for you. Everyone has tried to break through your shell, and if we can’t, you are in trouble. Whatever little woman is behind your claptrap bunker you call a skull, I hope this seed will grow. Only a little, not so much fruitful, but a tree that will cloud all view. You need an intervention, and you are too brainwashed to be helped.

Sad, for you.

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Attila May 2, 2012 at 17:50

The only strategy that works to silence a fembot is to ignore her or him (if a mangina).

SCHOPENHAUER said — Marriage halves a man’s rights – and doubles his obligations.

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Attila May 2, 2012 at 17:54

Ignore Brittany or whatever its name is — any energy directed at said entity would be wasted.

(Just got back from the market — got some braised lamb, white rice with bits of onion and garlic-stuffed olives waiting– along with a nice 32 ounce can of Japanese beer).

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greyghost May 2, 2012 at 17:55

The next reply is that I am uneducated. I went from being frightening and dangerous like those mass killing shooters to being uneducated.
She argues that she doesn’t see men on an equal plain and look how she replies to me. And then tries to us the play dumb technique. It is a way to dismiss someone seen as a piss ant. (a mean diumb guy that hates women,like me for instance)
It still stands, what do we know about women that we have taught ourslves through experience, observation and converstion that will change this attitude (hint nothing) Once again the best we can do is to make sure this woman and other western women like her receive nothing more than penis time and a well paying fulfilling career of her choosing. Get the beta males on the red pill and keep them from being the settled for chumps she says we are.

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Attila May 2, 2012 at 17:56

Hey guys- just updated my collection of cookbooks — Hungarian, Catalan, Persian and Moroccan —- that’s the way aha i like it — that’s the way i like it (tra la la). Got and Ethiopian one somewhere — hope I can find it.

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Oddsock May 2, 2012 at 17:57

How Buddhist texts portray women as temptresses:

Why can’t women embark in business/court? Buddha said: Women folk are Uncontrolled, envious, greedy, weak in wisdom, Ananda. (Anguttar Nikaya II.81)

Monks, a woman’s heart is obsessed by form, sound, scent, savor and touch of a Man…Womenfolk end their life unsated and unreplete with two things: sexual Intercourse and childbirth. (AN II.2)

Monks, I see no other single form so enticing, so desirable, so intoxicating, so binding, so distracting, such a hindrance to winning the unsurpassed peace from effort, that is to say, monks, as a woman’s form…Whoever clings to a woman’s form-inflated, greedy, fetter, enslave, enthralled-for many a long day shall he grieve, snared by the chains of a woman’s form. (AN II.67)

Monks, if ever one would rightly say: it is wholly a snare of Mara-verily, Speaking rightly, one may say of womanhood: it is wholly a snare of Mara. (AN III.67)

What to do when faced with the snare of woman?
-As if not seeing them, Ananda.
-But if we should see them, what are we to do?
-No talking, Ananda.
-But, if they should talk to us, Lord, what are we to do?
-Keep wide awake, Ananda. (Mahaparinibbanna Sutra D II. 141)

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J May 2, 2012 at 18:04

Goodnight gentleman! I have a family to tend too! The love, shelter, and warmth that makes me forget people like her.

I pray that one day, each of you can have what I have! The warm touch of someone who actually cares for you, without the very real threat of divorce, or the inane bickering of a lonely wench. The love and affection of your children, even if they have been moved far away, against your will, as one of mine have.

These “freedoms” are worth dying for, and they will survive people such as this. I had to go abroad to find it, and I found one who was better then the so-called educated ones here. If you choose not to risk like I did, I understand. I pray you find adventures that help you heal your pain.

As for the chica, I go to the warm embrace of my wife and child. Quite possibly the likes of which you may sadly never enjoy. As I go, let this parting shot be the idea that keeps you warm in your medical studies.

That as I lay in the safety of what God has for me, you obviously know no peace. As you stare into the cold faces of all the men you embrace, you are alone.

I will answer your challenge! I don’t hate you, I pity you. Your view is clouded by your lack of judgement, I know, I have been where you are. Possibly, unlike you, I have succeded where you have yet to tread. Let this be your warm embrace tonight as you sleep, I will be in safety, warmth, and shelter of someone who loves me unconditionally. A fate you may never know. A child who sees me as his hero, and a wife who longs for my embrace.

I am the knight you dream of in your feministic visions, to take you away. Tall, strong, vibrant, powerful, able to fight……….and when I see you in your worst times, I will have walked away. Because I am indifferent to you. I feel neither pity, nor pain. As you type your next column, and the electrical impulses travel down your spinal cord to write, may this cold shiver travel up to meet it.

Goodbye to my brothers, and goodbye to you as well!

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Attila May 2, 2012 at 18:05

A Spanish proverb says “Los niños hablan cuando las gallinas mean.” –which means, loosely translated — “Children may speak as soon as the chickens start pissing.”.

FEMBOTS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED WHEN CHICKEN GROW TEETH/OR BOOBS.

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Attila May 2, 2012 at 18:08

There’s nothing like some good traditional wisdom (thanks to Oddsock) to help put things back into perspective. Gautama Buddha always urged disciples to ignore the “demon of dialectics” because wisdom/nibbana was too pure to be qualified by language.

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Rmaxd May 2, 2012 at 18:11

Brilliantly said J

Im not sure if I can make up for what you went through, because of sluts & whores like Brittney …

If I had a son, I would tell him to demand respect, this is key to dealing with women like his mother

When men start demanding respect instead of expecting respect, things change dramatically

Women not only fear men who demand respect, but also look up to men who demand zero tolerance behaviour

Men are told to expect respect when they become successful

The truth is regardless of success, unless you demand respect you will not get respect

This is the first thing I would teach my son

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Jabberwocky May 2, 2012 at 18:12

‘Random Reader’ is right. The only appropriate replies to Brit would be a blitzkrieg of smart ass ones followed by ignoring her. Kick the soap box out from under her feet and walk away. She was a smart ass first.

“Wow. Your opinions on the sexual marketplace are much different from most men’s.”

-Yeah, what could a large group of men who dedicate much of their intellectual time engaging in gender and culture issues possibly know about men opinions on the sexual market place?! The nerve we have. We must be stupid to have been so wrong. You win. Tell us all about men and their opinions, from your superior perspective of being a women.

“I don’t know how old you are, but most young men love having access to casual sex without having to do much in return.”

-Are you a slut. We know you’re attractive. You must be a slut. See, as a women, you don’t get it. All you sluts sleep with a small group of men we label alphas, having a jolly ole’ time swapping body fluids and stories of hedonism throughout your prime years, cuz yes lil’ lady, women expire eventually, and when you’re all washed up, coming running for a “nice-guy” to help raise your bastard spawn, or you just suckle off the teet of big-daddy govenment, ie. hard working men’s taxes.

“You are incredibly myopic if you really think women have nothing to fear from sex.”

-Baby hater.

“Women bear most of the burden for unplanned pregnancies.”

-That’s why you shouldn’t be sluts. So men and taxpayers don’t subsidize your bad choices.

“It is she who has to “take care of it” or carry the child to term, sacrificing her healt and beauty in the process.”

-Yeah, cuz that beauty sure is powerful. You wouldn’t want to lose that ace up your sleeve. And health? Have you seen the stats of work related fatalities, suicides, and life expectancy. It’s men who should be worrying about their health, not you and your baby making parts.

“Sure, the dad is supposed to pay child support… if he can be found and if he has a job.”

-Women shouldn’t be sleeping with scum bag criminals, but they do, don’t they. More taxes us responsible men have to kick in for sluts bad choices.

“You are incredibly naive if you don’t realize that there are tons of women out there (most of them young and poor) who don’t receive any support from the father of their kids). And why should the guy’s commitment to the woman impact whether he has to pay child support? It’s child support, not mom support.”

-Tomato potato. Money is fungible. I’ll give you a second to look that up since I had to look up myopic you pretentious bitch.

“And you conveniently note that women can “easily” prevent pregnancies, but that a guy is on the hook if he gets a girl pregnant. Hm, men can easily prevent pregnancy too. It’s called wearing a condom.”

-Wearing a condom is like eating candy with the wrapper still on. You wouldn’t understand. You’re incapable of seeing things through another genders perspective due to either your lack of empathy or imagination…. quite possibly both. You are a women.

“The ways in which you try to excuse men from all responsibility for their behavior while demonizing women is just laughable.”

-LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Hardly. Straw man on fire.

“You say that men have fewer sexual freedoms and men more, but you haven’t listed any real ways in which men are more sexually restricted, so you seem primarily unhappy that women have more sexual freedom than they did in the past.”

-Most men don’t get a wife who is pure and virtuous. That bothers many men. Just ask your father and grandfather.

“Why? Sexual freedom, and all freedoms, are a good thing.”

-No. Are you an idiot. Never say such an absolute thing. All laws and customs essentially restrict our freedoms. Are you saying getting rid of laws and customs is then always good? No, I didn’t think so. You know, I’m stopping here, I’m just ashamed the acolytes or old dogs didn’t push your face down in the poo poo you made all over our man cave earlier. Run along now.

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 18:14

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Jabberwocky May 2, 2012 at 18:17

“Oh god Jabberwocky,

ANOTHER loser who can’t get laid and wants to insult me and rant about sluts? I’m sorry, you should have caught me earlier in the day, the others of your ilk have exhausted me too much.”

-A likely story.

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Boxer May 2, 2012 at 18:19

Thanks Oddsock. There is wisdom in the writing of the ancients, no?

Britney is just another masochistic attention whore who desperately seeks out abuse. She is the dog that craves being kicked. The pinnacle of her foetid desire is to be spat upon, incessantly, eternally. It’s likely motivated by some sick sexual fetish (as is the case with a few men who behave the same way on this blog, lol).

Best thing you healthy brothers can do is to deny her what she wants. Give her nothing, and may her cries of torment waft up as sweet incense to your ears.

Regards, Boxer

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Lord Valtrex May 2, 2012 at 18:24

Brittney,

Here’s an Rx for you. Laudanum. Useful for treating the following condition.

Female Hysterics:
“The exact cause of hysteria is not clearly defined, it has either to do with pent-up fluids in the female body, stress of modern-day life, or the ‘wanderings of the womb.’”

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Jabberwocky May 2, 2012 at 18:24

We will. We always do.

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Jabberwocky May 2, 2012 at 18:25

She’ll be back. I think she likes us.

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universe May 2, 2012 at 18:26

Brittney
(Gads, now I’m getting into this).
You’re new to the concept (of men’s issues), right?

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Ellie May 2, 2012 at 18:30

Brittany, I’m a young female who found the MGTOW movement because of their views on the the current state of father’s rights/male divorcee laws. My father, who raised me as a single dad, was almost raked over the coals by the court system when my mother was STILL encouraged to pursue child support/alimony by the judges, even after cheating on my dad and walking out. I came here interested in reading the many stories that are unfortunately very similar to my Dad’s (except they got screwed over with alimony/child support due to the blatantly sexist system), but honestly, I learned quickly that because I’m a woman, I am always in the wrong in their eyes. You must have a lot of patience to have been here for so long debating with them, but you must have realized by now that it isn’t worth it. Their views that they apply to ALL women are astounding.

I’m engaged to the only man I have ever even KISSED, for Christ’s sake, my high school boyfriend. We split EVERYTHING (when we’re not splitting the bill on dates, we take turns ‘taking each other out’), I take care of household responsibilities but we both work and are finishing our graduate degrees, neither of us are interested in children so I don’t predict any custody battles in the future, and my fiance isn’t an alpha jocked-out neanderthal (was considered bullying material in our school high school for being intelligent, academically successful and a genuinely good person) so this should make me a respectable woman, right?

Wrong. I’m still called a skank, a tease, prude, ice-cold wench, and other slurs by men like the ones you’ve encountered here. It’s also assumed that I must be ugly or fat for having only one partner in my life. Somehow, women are simultaneously supposed to be pure, virginal housewife material, while also being hot, slutty and submissive to any man who wants to bang them. They create all of these imaginary “inherent” characteristics in females (alpha-desiring, wallet-stealing, narcissistic shrews) that they attribute to EVERY woman, and fail to see how maybe holding these gross assumptions compared to what they want in women fail to produce optimal results in their love lives. You see, these men will create long lists of qualifying factors that they think women should have and then slam women with those qualities in their next breath. “Women belong in the home, but they’re good for nothing leeches who contribute nothing to society!!1!!” “Women should casually sleep with me, that’s all they’re good for anyway, but OMG what happened to all the pure virginal females in this country?!?!11!”

And we’re called the inherently illogical ones.

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Lord Valtrex May 2, 2012 at 18:35

Here is the Wikipedia entry:

Female hysteria
Female hysteria was a once-common medical diagnosis, made exclusively in women, which is today no longer recognized by modern medical authorities as a medical disorder. Instead, today female hysteria is recognized as the wider social phenomenon of feminism. Its diagnosis and treatment were routine for many hundreds of years in Western Europe. Hysteria was widely discussed in the medical literature of the 19th century. Women considered to be suffering from it exhibited a wide array of symptoms including faintness, nervousness, sexual desire, insomnia, fluid retention, heaviness in abdomen, muscle spasm, shortness of breath, irritability, loss of appetite for food or sex, and “a tendency to cause trouble“.

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Joe May 2, 2012 at 18:40

[quote]1. Older men are more responsible.
2. They treat their women better.
3. They are more affectionate.[/quote]

Pearl Buck wrote about just such a scenario in “The Good Earth.”

Yes, there have always been some very macho old men who’ve attracted very young women. As for the idea that many, maybe even most young women (around 20) don’t like men in their 30s and even older that’s simply delusional. That they tell themselves they don’t want such men as a mate doesn’t mean they aren’t attracted to them or don’t often go with them. I might tell myself I prefer a white girl, that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t go with a girl part asian or part indian, or middle eastern.

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Avenger May 2, 2012 at 18:41

Why are you giving this “Brittany” any attention? She/he/it is a Boobette from David FATtrele’s site of boobs, lesbians,crazy spinsters, obese females who can’t getout the door of their house and stay in all the time, psychotic losers who can’t figure out if they’re male or female, and other assorted freaks and frauds.
This “Brittany” thing will now go back to the Boobsite and tell them that “she” was attacked simply because “she” is a female.
IGNORE all Boobettes and never give them even a second of your time. Completely ignore them and relegate them to the lunatic fringe as you would with lesbians and homeless wacky old females.

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Jabberwocky May 2, 2012 at 18:50

Remember that Brittany girl? She was a whore.

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Anonymous age 69 May 2, 2012 at 19:10

Um, let me see. So far, part way down the page Queen Brittney has called me a loser and a liar. Did I really say young women were throwing themselves at me? If I cared, I’d go back and look, but I do not believe I ever used those words.

But, in any case, this is typical of the Ugly American. Since she hates old men, despite her claim of loving her father and grandfather, she simply cannot imagine a woman in any culture finding an old man attractive.

The American culture raises kids without respect for old people. If a kid called an old man in Mexico an old fart or a geezer, he would probably be beaten thoroughly. They just do not allow such disrespect. The 14 year old who 6 years ago fell in love with me, once called me by my personal name. Her mom cussed her out good, and told her she was to call me Don (name).

Historically, people were not considered educated until they had lived in a dramatically different culture for at least 2 years so they understood their own culture. Brittney is totally uneducated. She imagines her cultural beliefs are international norms.

>>And you have certainly never been with anyone like me.

I do not believe anyone here cares to be with you. In my case, I prefer not to even be in the same country if I can avoid it. Note I never suggested I wanted to be. It is these Freudian slips which cause men here to accuse you of wanting us.

>>Why do you want to get rid of me so badly?

Because you come on here, start the insults and shaming language, call a senior citizen you do not know, a liar and a loser, and a lot more. You must hang around some real low testosterone ‘men’ if they tolerate that sort of s**t.

>>I don’t want to discuss my sex life, or vibrators, or STDs anymore christ.

You came on a blog which was talking about sex, shoot off your stupid mouth, then wonder why we are talking about your sex life. Do you have a Thinking Brain Dog which follows you around all day? How on earth can anyone that stupid get into med school? If we were talking about cooking and recipes then talked about your sex life, I could see your confusion. This page is about sex, stupid.

>>I didn’t come here to be harassed by old lecherous pervs.

I think she just called me an old lecherous perv. Yet, says she does not hate old men.

>>Here in the UK there was a report quite a few years back about the disappearance of at least a million young men

Actually, they lied. Two million were ‘missing’ but they simply wrote they believed one million were actually there.

>>Why are people disliking a post of mine that just asks for clarification on a point, for example?

You came on here, called us losers, called one of the old-timers of the Men’s movement, a loser, a liar, a lecherous perv, and a lot of names against other members here. Yet, you try to twist it around that the only problem is we don’t follow your orders as Real Men are supposed to do.

>>God Renee I guess you’re right… 100 men and the one woman on the site is the only one who can be honest? Sigh…

Hey, moron, Laura Grace Robbins is on here. Do you mean she is the only woman here? The men here respect her. She does not call men here losers and worse.

As far as your repeated challenges, your name-calling and insults have caused the men here to choose not to follow your orders.

>>I think products of foreign education systems are unlikely to become adults

Forgive me, Welmer, but this must be said. She is a racist bitch.

>>Why are men so unwilling to just admit when they are outclassed intellectual? So egotistical your gender is. Sigh

You do not outclass us intellectually. Note the conjugation of intellectual, the one you screwed up.

You obviously believe we are obliged to respond to your challenge. By this time, even an idiot would understand with your personal insults, shaming language, name calling, and racist remarks, you do not deserve any response.

By the way, Brittney, I have been married to a Mexican woman for 36 years, faithful 36 years, when those young women hit on me, I turn them down. Former editor of Mensa local; graduated summa cum laude 1980. First college graduate of my direct line. All my kids have college degrees, one with Ph.d.; one with Master’s degree. One with bachelor’s degree. One graduated from med school. Yep, of course I am a loser because I tell you to go pound sand. And, a liar, and a perv. And, you think we are obliged to respond to your stupid challenges. Like you are in charge because you are a dearie???

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WB May 2, 2012 at 19:12

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Anonymous age 70 May 2, 2012 at 19:23

Forgive me again, Welmer, but WB is a liar and must be called on it. There are indeed married men in the MRM. Dalrock is a perfect example. Also, Laura Grace Robbins is here, and she is not even a man. As I just said, I have been married and faithful 36 years. WB, stop making stuff up. Also, stop the shaming language. Men here simply do not care those potty mouth insults.

Google Shaming language Bingo.

The problem, Brittney and WB, is times are changing. Stupid people assume 45 years is forever. Men as inferior citizens while doing almost all the actual productive work while being told to keep their mouths shut has been going on at least 45 years, so when you encounter men who are no longer going to keep their mouths shut while they are being mistreated, you think there is something wrong with them.

I compare it to the automatic door at the supermarket. if you walk up to the door and it doesn’t open, you probably bang your nose on the door. When men on a board do not respond with obeisance as you expect, you assume there is something wrong with them.

The automatic name thing may have been putting my age at 69. Sorry, I just caught it.

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Avenger May 2, 2012 at 19:32

WB is another Boobette from FATrelles site.

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Ermp May 2, 2012 at 19:34

Well Brittney. I’have a confession. I hate alphas. Because I’am not one of them.

But, there is something that I hate more than that: being a beta provider for a woman like you. Not even for “company”. Not even for a pity fuck every two weeks.

Anyway. Marriage is not for everybody. And, in current times, is not for 80% or more of men. And the 20% that can handle it, they don’t have to do it. They have options. And you talk too much and suck too little to be their top option.

Anyway. Do with your life what you can. Like everybody. The fact that we don’t talk about this issues in public don’t mean that we don’t think about them and, more important, ACT according to our thinking. Yes. You are right. We keep silence to not appear as “creeps”. So, we lie to women like you without any remorse.
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And sorry for my poor english.

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Ermp May 2, 2012 at 19:47

Brittney

For example. Divorced fathers rights. Across the western world the same shit. And, soon, in a global scale (except in Arab World, of course).

In MRA, meetings to discuss the theme have nearly zero audience. Feminist think that this fact prove that MRA is a marginal movement of a minority of men.

NO. We act. But no in public, in meetings, in our version of “slut walks”, shouting slogans. No. We act shunning marriage and children altogether. We are voting with our feet. And running away of a non wanted children if a condom broke. Is our version of “abortion”, you know.

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Travis May 2, 2012 at 19:53

@Brittney,
Okay. I’m gonna’ try something different. You say you came here for a rational debate. Prove it. Debate the points of the article with me. I promise I won’t insult you and I’ll listen to your point of view, as long as you do the same for me.
I AM going to ask for a summary of the points you disagree with, simply because this has turned into an extremely long thread, and I don’t really want to wade back through all the comments.
No hostility. No name calling. Just two people who happen to disagree having a rational discussion. You said that’s what you came here for. I’m open to it. You start. Tell me one more time what it is about the article that you take issue with…

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Ermp May 2, 2012 at 20:03

And, of course, Brittney. If our life’s path crosses, and …. well…. we have a “relationship” and we discuss the children thing, I not going to tell you that I read MRA blogs and I think that is a game that I cannot win: I going to tell you in a polite way that “I’m not ready for that level of commitment”.

You know. Some stupid shit like that. You understand now?

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Trapped May 2, 2012 at 20:05

@Brittney:

I only stumbled onto this conversation just now, but it’s obvious that your comments have been downvoted largely because you have nothing substantive to say, you use shaming language which doesn’t work here, and you keep repeating the same whiny complaints and demands in “holier-than-thou” form.

People who advance rational arguments here get much more traction. There is diversity of opinion, although I would agree that there is a fair amount of “consensus” among the regular posters. One could also call it shared life experience.

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Travis May 2, 2012 at 20:08

@WB,
“Only a man who has been unsuccessful with women (divorced, rejected, etc) would be attracted to the MRM in the first place”

With a divorce rate up around sixty percent, and just about EVERY GUY in existence having been rejected by a woman at some point or another in his life, you’ve successfully just described every guy in America. No wonder the feminists are getting worried…

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YB May 2, 2012 at 20:11

@Glenn

ASSERTION
“The ways in which you try to excuse men from all responsibility for their behavior while demonizing women is just laughable.”
RESPONSE
Ah yes, so women do not engage in “accidental” pregnancies? Likewise, if women do not wish to be demonized, perhaps they should refrain from behaving like demons?
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Whoo, am I late to the party on this one! At any rate, I feel like contributing to this one.

I know a 23-something single mother who has a child. She smokes, drinks, and parties like fury. She also confessed to me that she miscarried 4(!) times before having her child. They were not all to the same man, either.

This is obviously not some idle whim – it was very definitely planned. A number of times. As to the “heroic single mom” paradigm: she is currently having genetic testing to prove the father of her baby, so that she can then force him through the courts to pay extra child-support.

Not the slightest interest in marrying him. It’s all about the money, honey!

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Poochmule May 2, 2012 at 20:53

I only date intelligent men.

That is funny shit.

Britney, everyone gets divorced in our western culture. That is the way your mommy taught you, its daddys fault. You should come back after your first one. How many people in your family have been divorced over stupid shit? Going to medical school makes you inteligent? Thats funny shit too. Most of the doctors I know and I have a few cousins that married doctors and they are the dumbest asshole I know. They know what new drugs are available but are unable to build a shed or change the oil in there car.

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Anonymous Reader May 2, 2012 at 20:53

The careful reader will note who the Brittaney chose to respond to, and whom to ignore. There are two sets. First, she totally ignored Welmer’s well thought out and carefully written response to her, posted shortly after she “left for lunch”. Second, those men who actually are lawyers, who set down the facts regarding the marriage “contract”. Note well that Brit did not respond to those comments – those fact filled, carefully thought out, comments. Therefore, her claim to be interested in actual discussion is obviously false.

And so what we have is yet another drive by poster, trolling for flames. Possibly one of Manbooby’s trolls, possibly a freelance. It doesn’t matter. She wasn’t here for any kind of adult discussion. She’s here to provide some form of entertainment to herself, and possibly a set of comments that can be taken out of context & waved around as “proof” of what “bad men” say.

It is worthwhile to have trolls like this from time to time, both to keep argumentation skills up and to bear in mind what far too many modern American women are like.

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Eric May 2, 2012 at 20:54

WB;
‘These men hate women.’

Is that why we’ve been here for the last two weeks talking about where the best places to meet foreign women are?

‘Only a man who has been unsuccessful with women would be attracted to the MRM in the first place.’

For example, ‘Uncle Elmer’ who has a Vietnamese wife or ‘Marcus Aurelius’ who’s engaged to a Filipina…

‘They get off on shocking women like you.’

I suppose the shocks of false accusations, sudden divorces, brutal treatment at the hands of American women, and the constant misandry of culture doesn’t get feminists off…but, oh well.

“It makes them feel powerful, while in their real lives they are powerless failures”

Quick show of hands: how many guys here have their own businesses, are steadily employed, property owners, or have achievements they can claim? (I see a lot of hands going up).

And, while we’re on that subject, you should ask yourself: why do powerless losers like criminals, thugs, bums, and other losers seem to be so attractive to American women?

“Go out and meet a good man and treat him well. Make love to him.”

If American women were actually capable of doing any of that, then there wouldn’t be a need for a men’s movement, now would there?
But then again, I suppose that the divorce, abortion, substance abuse, obesity rate, out-of-wedlock birth rate rampant in American women is all men’s fault somehow.

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Poochmule May 2, 2012 at 21:06

Good one Eric,

Rosebrides.com is a good site for S East Asia and other women that are in search of the most sought after human on the face of the earth except in America, the American Man.

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Eric May 2, 2012 at 21:06

Anonymous Reader:
Good points. It’s also noteworthy that ‘Britney’ was going at this for several hours without a break (another symptom of trolldom, sometimes multiple trolls work in shifts using the same name). I was working late last night, and she was posting on some of the previous ‘Spearhead’ threads at like 2 & 3 in the morning; and was well at it on this thread when I logged in about noon. I don’t know too many med students who have so much free time on their hands!

One positive note out of this whole thing: I noticed that, while MRAs argue a lot amongst themselves (over things like Game and activism, female inclusion, MGTOW, politics, religion, &c.) we really show some impressive unity when the real foe appears.

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Eric May 2, 2012 at 21:12

Poochmule:
Thanks for the link, I’ll check it out. I’ve haven’t been to SE Asia myself (I have done a lot of dating in Latin America). One thing I’ve noticed, though, is that guys who like Asian girls never seem interested in women from anywhere else, so they must have something going for them! I have occasionally dated Asian girls here in the US, but like most immigrant women, they don’t seem to stay single very long!

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Ted May 2, 2012 at 21:16

Welmer’s article says:

“I think men ought to realize that we got suckered in this deal”

We did. I think “bad sex/good sex” could also be written “male sex bad/female sex good”.

How can a clearly sexist, unequal sentiment like that get any traction? Is there any justification, however small? (Only two question marks there, Uncle Elmer).

A possible justification lies in coupling two ideas: that your responsibility for an act is in proportion to your power to choose it: and that the male sexual approach is basically aggressive, that he is the instigator.

I don’t believe that these two principles can properly lead to “male sex bad/female sex good”, but proper reasoning isn’t getting that much exposure. Instead we are deluged with verbiage like Brittney’s rhetoric above. As reasoning goes, it goes nowhere; but as a lesson in the woman’s arts, it is a true education.

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Ted May 2, 2012 at 21:22

” It’s also noteworthy that ‘Britney’ was going at this for several hours without a break (another symptom of trolldom, sometimes multiple trolls work in shifts using the same name). ”

I see that there were at least two different avatars in use for Brittney.

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Poochmule May 2, 2012 at 21:32

@Eric

I have been to Indonesia and Singapore and I am attracted to mostly Asian women for damn good reason. I want to go to the PI and see what my friends in Asia are telling me. There is no such thing as divorce there, I have 3 friend that are married to a PI girls which are beautiful and loving by nature and treat thier man like a king and in return most men would treat them like a queen. They will never get a frivolous divorce. It does not take much to make a man happy and in return an American man would go to the end of the earth to protect and make thier queen happy for very little in return. They seem to know this by nature and that is attractive and worth considering. I have great respect for U Elmer for his new found love. I love Vietnamese woman too. They also now how to cook on occasion. Not to mention are interesting and loving. Most of the American women that I have had and so entitled and now the rules of law when it comes to thier unhappiness. they can bail out of a marriage any moment and they can steal you DNA and suck you dry financial and emotionally for any reason. I have met quite a few nice women on Rosebrides.com in person and on line that are what I would consider for the rest of my life. I just need to DO IT.

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Ted May 2, 2012 at 21:42

One of Brittney’s early comments was in on the “Different World” article:

“Brittney May 2, 2012 at 04:53

” Have you checked out this site lately? You call feminists “hate-filled” but this site is devoted almost entirely to complaining about women. I can’t imagine why someone would put so much time and effort into this.

” More men in this country are obese than women. When I said that these guys should “improve” themselves, I meant that they should get into shape if they desire slim women, because few slim women want an obese guy.”

And, admit it guys, we have been focusing on obesity quite a bit. Of course, there’s quite a bit of it around. It would be difficult to avoid overlooking it, even if we wanted to.

In one of my occasional forays into the ManBoobz comments, I read one saying how pleased she was at the sound her fat made while having sex. I had to stop reading ManBoobz comments at that point. Maybe that wasn’t Brittney, but it could have been. Maybe the responses here are explicable in the circumstances.

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fakeemail May 2, 2012 at 21:45

“What compounds this problem is that it’s possible that even more men are sexually repressed now than a hundred years ago.”

Indeed! I’m convinced that if women were this impossible to deal with and get in the past, the human race would have died out. It’s seems that the white race will.

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Ted May 2, 2012 at 22:35

“I don’t know what ManBoobz is,”

There is still hope for you then.

“I don’t know what gross comments you’re referring to ”

Glad to know that, although there are some similarities to yours.

“and I would never discuss my sex life”

You seem to have got close though

“for the gratification of these pervs. Yuck!”

I don’t think “gratification ” is quite the right word. But “Yuck” is better.

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Ted May 2, 2012 at 22:46

“call me a slut/whore numerous times, accuse me of having STDs”

Let’s take the personal out of it then. I think you said at one point that there was more sex being offered from women in general. Whether or not you choose to call those women “sluts”, I think the statement about more sex is true. Also, more sex going around means more STDs in general. It’s karma for diseases; what goes around comes around.

I’ve heard alarming figures for chlamydia. Of course, what with being in the trade and all, you would know them better than me.

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Renee May 2, 2012 at 22:52

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Ted May 2, 2012 at 22:58

“It is sad how easy men are too fool.”

It’s the way we’re made.

“They desire men who they think have money ”

That’s the way you’re made.

” too insecure to admit that American men share all of them, including obesity.”

On the contrary; Welmer points out the American man in one of his photos.

“Did you ever stop to wonder why the women who “desire” you so much are from poorer countries?”

We discuss it all the time.

“Do you think it’s a coincidence that women from wealthier countries (Western Europe, Australia, Japan) aren’t the ones displaying interest in you?”

Of course it’s not a coincidence. Those women are comparably rich, if not richer, than us.

“these women want your money.”

That’s how it works…

“I think you deserve what you get.”

We get what we can afford.

” Good for those women for extracting what they can from you.”

The last word from the Ladies Trade Union…

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jaego May 2, 2012 at 23:02

Absolute Freedom, divorced from any question of right or wrong, is the philosophy of Lucifer. It cannot be lived in this world, but it sure can destroy Individuals, Cultures, and Countries. Why not understand freedom as the power to do good? Why always the focus on the forbidden? Maybe it’s forbidden for a good reason….Again Lucifer.

“Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth and wipeth her mouth and saith, I have done no wickedness.”

Proverbs 30:20

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Ted May 2, 2012 at 23:07

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” In my last comment, when I said Welmer I was thinking of Price, but both are pretty good posters.”

They’re both the same poster.

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Napoleon May 2, 2012 at 23:09

Okay, I don’t think that brittney is who she says she is. I don’t see how a medical student is spending all day trolling online on a week day. Shouldn’t she have been in class or doing her rotations at some point today? This whole thread is littered with her posts right from the beginning.
I think that brittney is an undercover agent for some feminist website or organization and has an agenda. She might not even be female. Maybe she is that douchebag futrelle in online drag.

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andybob May 2, 2012 at 23:16

Another female interloper reveals that she never did have any genuine concern for men’s rights. The serious issues which confront men in our increasingly misandric societies are sneered at in a manner that is so predictable that any of us could have writen her script for her.

What Brittney (notice she spells it like the former Disney moppet turned “Do It to Me” slag) cannot seem to fathom, is that the men of the Spearhead have heard it all before. She has come across men who are too wise to be shamed or manipulated into participating in a feminist-controlled narrative. Her increasingly shrill demands indicate the underlying panic that this realisation provokes in women like her.

Brittney doesn’t get to call the shots here. She danced for our amusement – nothing more. Not having to care what loud-mouthed, egomaniacal morons like her have to say is the hard-won privilege of the red-pill man.

BTW, I find it difficult to believe that she is a grown woman, much less a medical student. I mean, like…Wow. Perhaps she really is the vapid Ms Spears.

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evilwhitemalempire May 2, 2012 at 23:18

I’m not a lawyer but I will try to educate you some. Married persons receive tax benefits.
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well guys, there’s your bachelor tax right there

has always existed

snuck in the form of paying higher taxes without marriage (same difference)

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Ted May 2, 2012 at 23:21

“Are you really citing a *picture* as evidence that my nationwide stats are wrong? ”

No, Brittney. I’m saying that Welmer’s pointing out a fat American man in one of his photos falsifies your statement to Poochmule: “You … are too insecure to admit that American men share all of them, including obesity.”

“Again, I’m a scientist.”

More careful attention to observation is called for in that case.

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To be honest, I really don’t get this whole beta/alpha thing. Women are easy, and I am constantly amazed at the sorts of choices that women make in men. Or maybe it’s just that I don’t consider myself beta to their kind of alpha. Whatever. I digress. The main point being that women’s choices in men are almost without exception, in this era of sexual “liberation”, gut-wrenchingly ordinary. For example, women confusing stunted adolescent immaturity for some kind of hot alpha. Or maybe it’s the PUAs that also make that mistake. But I digress. Again. Basically, Travis makes some good points. The dudes that women finish up going for are not only gut-wrenchingly ordinary (by my estimation), but as Travis points out, they don’t even respect their “conquests”.

Getting back to Brit. Here’s the key to overcoming the sort of predictable shaming language that she rehashes… and this is why pua game works… you’ve got to genuinely not care what women think. PUA game works because it creates the illusion of not caring, while at the same time employing a strategy to bag a catch… which is, of course, a contradiction in terms. How can you bag something that you don’t care for? Hence the wizardry employed by the magicians of game. Essential to PUA game is an immaturity that in previous eras would have been confined to adolescents. Why should this be relevant to Brit’s position in this discussion? Men that don’t care about what women think of them fall into two broad camps:
1) They genuinely don’t care, and so they will always miss out, at least in terms of the “hotties” that are throwing themselves at “alphas”. It’s not that they’re not attractive… far from it… but rather that women are being removed from the market in favor of Joe Average;
2) They pretend to not care, but in leaping through the PUA hoops while begging for fish, like performing seals, they always get the gal. Maybe even Brit’s kind of gal.

Bottom line? As far as authentically interesting men are concerned (I think we’ll increasingly see more of them among the younger MRAs), in the era of permissive sex, women finish up with… Joe Ordinary… while the best dudes, by comparison, finish up following rather more conservative trajectories. So as far as Brit’s assertion that “attractive men benefit from the status quo and… are out living life”, no, that’s not quite right. While women are out there fornicating with every adolescent average with a bag of magician’s tricks, the best men are choosing very different options compared to what men had 50-plus years ago.

Brit asserts that she is “a champion of personal freedoms.” Within the context of free-for-all sex, there’s no such thing. Sex is for making babies… (or aborting them if they are inconvenient, depending on one’s preference), and these things impact on culture in very big ways. The evidence for this is in the very things that we are witnessing in our zeitgeist. Our zeitgeist is our laboratory, so we should open your eyes and take note of the results. I’ve seen good girls make bad choices, bad girls choose – hence validate – bad men, and so on, and all these things have repurcussions that impact on culture. For example, consider some of the “good-girls” that become prostitutes (I’ve seen this happen)… 50 years ago they and their mothers would have been horrified. Bottom line? Insofar as culture is concerned, there is no such thing as personal freedom. Every choice has repurcussions that effect everyone, including the gullible and the innocent.

Let’s take a closer look at some of Brit’s other claims:

“I have always had great sexual/romantic relationships with men.”
I say bullshit. This is what she would say. This is what they all say. But the reality is that, with the exception of the adolescent PUA crowd, both men and women are missing out and making compromises.

“I thank God that most men are unlike you, or else I’d be deprived of my wonderful, amazing, non-bitter/dejected boyfriend, who I love dearly.”
Again, this is what she would say. This is what they all say. Irrespective of whether their bf is a supplicating beta schleb provider, or a brain-dead thug. In this modern day and age, you can count on one thing with respect to women’s choices. Average.

“I know I’m young and attractive”
And yet again, this is what she would say. This is what they all say. Attractive my arse. Whether it’s their annoying biz haircuts, or their rotund fatarse figures, they are universally about as attractive as a hatful of bricks. And on the odd occasion you might come across someone that looks good, you only need to speak to her for one minute to allay any doubt. Let’s be clear about one thing… the most attractive women, in this culture of sex obsession, are hit on all the time, and they become repulively shallow. The most physically attractive woman, whose only obligation is to “turn up”, is destined to become a used dishrag, courtesy of our sick times. There is virtually no woman alive in our current zeitgeist in whom you can find that rare combination of brains and beauty. And affirmative action renders null and void any “achievements” to which women think that they might lay claim.

“I’m a medical student.”
If she’s anything like my sister, she’s going to pair up with a “financially secure” medical practitioner, after which she’ll spend the rest of her life being provided for and making sandwiches in the kitchen. It’s important to understand that university courses for women meet two needs: 1)they provide a purpose for the ugly and unmarriagable and 2) they are principally proxy marriage agencies where women can locate the best providers – and if they fail at this objective at university, then a brief stint in said career will provide a fallback option that they can rely on to ultimately close the deal.

Conclusion? I personally think that the sexual revolution is, historically, a horror story. Neither the sexual revolution nor feminism would ever have occured without the contraception technologies. In other words, said “personal freedoms” depend on unnatural and unhealthy interventions, whether by way of the contraceptive pill, or butchering of foetuses, or absurd cultural attitudes. I suppose every age has its horror. Nazism, stalinism, communism, feminism. We need to recognize ours for what it is.

Amidst all of this, I can lay claim to one positive… I’ve begun to understand what hell looks like.

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Travis May 2, 2012 at 23:29

@Brittney,
Before I started visiting this website and others like it regularly, I tried to post on Feministing. Can’t remember what I said, exactly. But I wasn’t looking for a fight. I had some issues with the feminist movement and stated that I was looking for someone to have a rational discussion with about those issues. I recieved a response much like the one you’ve recieved here today. The only difference is that, after my initial post (in which I was polite and repectful) I was completely banned for not “towing the party line”.
Which is why I extended the offer to have a rational, intelligent coversation, without name calling and the like, over any issues or viwepoints expressed on this blog which you happen to disagree with.
But I noticed that you’ve ignored that offer, as well as any of the other posters who tried to enter into a rational conversation with you. This leads me to believe that you are, in fact, a troll.
My offer still stands. If you want to discuss the issues, please let me know. But if you don’t, please stop complaining about how no one will offer you respect and debate with you rationally. I, and others, have tried. And all you do is ignore us while hurling insults and generalizations at the very same people you accuse of having nothing more intelligent to say than to hurl insults and generalizations….

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AndrewV May 2, 2012 at 23:30

@Brittney,

While Travis May 2, 2012 at 19:53 has indicated that he is willing to debate you, I am really a bit surprised that you apparently still do not get why the rest of the guys here have responded to you the way they have.

The answer to that will become obvious once you check your privilege.

As a young woman in today’s matriarchy, you are currently giving every appearance of really not understanding, that women in general now have the state sanctioned power to oppress the average man in practically every sphere of life.

The video I linked for example, I get the impression you really think that this is just one isolated incident.

I am not going to argue with you, because I really do not think you are going to believe anything you get told here for one, and two you already poisoned the well so as to speak with your assumptions.

Many of the guys here have had to put up with a lot of crap from women every day of their life for a long time now, and if they are young enough, it started with their exposure to the casual misandry of their women teachers, like one of my nephews (now 30+) who become a misogynist in high school.

Of course NAWALT (not all women are like that), but if a man is constantly exposed to maltreatment by women in general, we really can not be surprised at the way he reacts when he is exposed to someone who expresses herself like you have done here.

A misogynist is not born that way, but over the course of his life is made, and you are really not helping here, unlike say Laura Grace Robins who is known here, and is treated with the kind of respect I surmise you will not see here any time soon.

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Travis May 2, 2012 at 23:30

@Brittney,
Sorry. I was posting my last messsage at the same time you were posting yours. Have at it. What would you like to discuss?

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Highwasp May 2, 2012 at 23:56

Brit – I get what you are asking and I have seen a few women who have been treated fairly and with respect on this blog. I don’t care to go back through the blog and copy / paste to you. I have seen women posters get treated disrespectfully as well – as you know – But the thing is – Price responded to you, as you requested of him, yet you haven’t responded to him. I have copied and pasted that for you below…

Mr. Price wrote to you at 09:32 – where he copied your post if you want to re-read what you wrote here’s his response – care to respond to this?

“you really don’t believe all personal or sexual freedoms are good. None of your arguments makes the case that anyone’s freedom is being impinged upon by the examples I gave, but you only supported one out of four freedoms.

BTW, your first argument, against polygamy, is especially lousy. Why, it would be simple to structure taxes to accommodate polygamy. It wouldn’t be much – if any – different from any other large family for tax purposes. Not to say I support polygamy (I don’t), but the arguments against it these days are especially feeble, especially since they’ve started allowing gay marriage.

As for prostitution’s legality, prostitution was not generally a crime in the US until the 20th century, and even then it took decades for the laws to proliferate across the country. Read up on your history.

As for children being supported, sadly that is not right. It could only be a right if their parents had the right to a living wage, and neither mothers nor fathers have that right. That American women demand betrayed men provide more than their rights can guarantee is only another example of the ugliness in their souls. It might be fair to demand unconditional support from men if men were prioritized in hiring and had a “right” to work at fair pay, but since they have neither advantage it is sheer, unadulterated abuse for women to demand the current child support guidelines, especially from men who were unwillingly placed in the position of having to pay it.

And the sexual harassment issue is absolute garbage. If a man says he’s attracted to a woman at work, where is the victim? Women will never complain if he is a desirable man, and will often seek to sleep with superiors at work, but they want to have the power to sue when an unattractive man expresses interest… How self-serving. As though a man’s natural interest in a woman victimizes her. If women are such wilting violets why should men hire them in the first place? What possible benefit could an employer gain from having such an ultrasensitive liability on staff?

Admit it, Brittney, you don’t really support freedom at all, but rather license; your license to sleep with various men without judgment. It is the same for most American women. Since you’re in your 20s (as you say — I would have guessed early-mid-30s given your name), I can only advise that you start thinking about when you’ll have to swallow your pride. That time will come sooner than you think, and you ought to prepare for it.

The balance does change profoundly in the 30s, so you might want to think about toning it down and being a bit more humble before it’s too late.”

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Ted May 3, 2012 at 00:04

“EVERY guy whines…”

Ding!

“… about “shaming” (I don’t even know exactly what they mean by this or why they’re so obsessed with it, ”

It’s a rhetorical reflex and adds no meaning to the discussion. It is so trite, so prevalent, and so tiresome. There are lists…

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Travis May 3, 2012 at 00:08

@Brittney,
By the way, if we ever DO get around to having a discussion, I feel that I should give a bit of a disclaimer. While I agree with most of the viewpoints expressed on this site, I wouldn’t call myself a regular poster. I spend a great deal more time lurking, for the simple fact that I try not to join in the coversation unless I have something constructive to add. And these guys (in my opinion) usually cover most of the bases quite well without me getting involved, so I try to keep my mouth shut most of the time.
The point I’m trying to make is that I don’t speak for everyone else. “The viewpoints expressed in my posts do not nescessarily reflect the viewpoints of The Spearhead or it’s subsidiaries…” There are other guys on here who are way more informed and well spoken than I could ever hope to be. And if you could talk any of them into it, I’m sure you’d probably get a lot more out of the conversation. I’m not a doctor, or a lawyer, or a men’s rights “activist” in the truest sense of the word. I’m just a blue collar guy who looks around and sees my society crumbling around me. But having said that, I’m willing to give it a shot…

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Ted May 3, 2012 at 00:09

“These women in Mexico are not attracted to you sexually, they want your money. ”

Those women in Mexico want your money – and status generally – and that is why they are attracted to you sexually.

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Ted May 3, 2012 at 00:12

“I have literally been attacked for “shaming” at least 100 times today. ”

That’s because your writing is loaded with it. Trust us.

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Ted May 3, 2012 at 00:20

“they’re not attracted to you sexually, they just want your money. You guys love to tell me how men feel; as a woman let me tell you that there’s definitely a difference.”

So everything we’ve heard about women being money-grubbing whores is… true? Say it’s not so!

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Ted May 3, 2012 at 00:25

“I know that you guys don’t like women to post things that hurt your feelings. Who does?”

Oh, you can hurt my feeelings. Just don’t bore the arse off me.

“I don’t know why you think I should care that I’m hurting your feelings though.”

Don’t you care about the effects of your communications? That way lies autism.

” I’m not going to cower in fear because some crybaby who just called me a whore and said I have STDs can’t take my opinion.”

Just where did this “cowering in fear” come from? Could it be yet another piece of feminine rhetoric?

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Ted May 3, 2012 at 00:27

Oops; I forgot:

“because some crybaby”

Ding!

“who just called me a whore and said I have STDs can’t take”

Ding!

“my opinion.”

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Andrew S. May 3, 2012 at 00:30

There is no turning back. Best just to sit back and enjoy the comedy act America has become. I would guess more than 50% are false accusations. Some of the comments are pretty hilarious. “OMG 80 RAPES IN 3 YEARS!!!!!! SOMEONE PROTECT THE WOMINZZZZZZZZ!!!!!” One “lady” told a guy who made a comment that a lot of the women are just scorned former lovers or one night stands, that he is probably a rapist and the DOJ should look into his background and former lovers.

It’s a circus act/freak show folks, just sit back and try and enjoy it. There is nothing you can do about it.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/02/11496765-80-rapes-in-3-years-montana-campus-assaults-prompt-department-of-justice-probe

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Andrew S. May 3, 2012 at 00:33

Even if Libertarianism is unsustainable it would be a welcome change from our so-called democracy.

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Eric May 3, 2012 at 00:57

Britney:
For somebody who complains about hatred all the time, you certainly aren’t shy about expressing your bigotry against foreign-born women. Reading your screeds, one can see that you consider foreign women as poor, uneducated, gold-diggers and whores who can only attract predatory men (which apparently is ALL men by your feminist logic).

This is another thing I can’t stand about American women. You not only believe yourselves superior to men; you think you’re superior to women in other cultures as well.

I’ll try to explain this as simply as possible, because your hatred of men has blinded you to everything but stereotypes:

I own a lot of expensive, European-made tools. Why? Because the tools sold in America today are garbage and it’s worth paying extra for something that will actually function. I’m looking into getting a European-made truck for my business. Why? Because American-made vehicles are junk. I get ‘shamed’ for this kind of thing by knee-jerk reactionaries who think I should ‘buy American’ regardless of the quality.

Now, it’s the same in relationships. Our feminist-dominated culture has produced women of no tangible value to normal men in America. Just as is the case with the shoddy equiptment sold in American box-stores, we actually lose more than we gain by being involved with any of you. So we look for quality elsewhere.

And we get shamed for that too, with stupid statements like: ‘why would we ever date or marry hateful, angry men like you!’ If that’s how you feel about it, why should you care at all whether an ‘undesirable’ guy like myself goes abroad and marries an ‘inferior’ foreigner? We all know that you American women think of yourselves as too good for any man; so why should it bother you if us ‘creeps’ leave you alone?

Besides, like you pointed out, I have a lot of qualities that don’t appeal to American women: for example, I know how to read, bathe daily, have a job, stay out of jail, and have no addictions—all these are deal-breakers with American women anyway. So, why should you care if we pursue women who value things like work and literacy?

Obviously, the problem that you have with foreign women is the fact that they value men at all; and you can’t stand the fact they don’t hate us as deeply as you do.

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Oddsock May 3, 2012 at 01:21

Eric

Interesting comment.

What do you think about snap on tools? IMHO the quality has gone down over the last few years. A cheaper and high quality manufacturer is king dick.

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codebuster May 3, 2012 at 01:35

That sure is a long post just to complain about women choosing men other than you. How convenient to paint all of the men that actually get women as “average” while the “special” men are being neglected. LOL please do you expect me to buy this? Seriously, now.

lol See what we mean? Classic shaming language. Without knowing a thing about me and without properly having read my post. Now I appreciate that the post is lengthy, so I respect that you may not have had time to read closely. tl;dr? Fine. But don’t make things up and talk garbage. As a point of clarification, I reject pua game and think it’s stupid, both on the part of the practitioners and the chumpettes spreading their legs for them.

I speak on behalf of all women when I say that we don’t want socially awkward, insecure dudes who think that memorizing advice in a book is going to make them popular with women.

Women don’t understand men. And while it is true that contemporary men generally also don’t understand women, this is because they are projecting their intelligence onto women without understanding that women don’t define the world the same way. Who are you, who lives with the option of being a provided-for entitlement princess for the entirety of her life, should she so choose, to define men as socially awkward and insecure? It is awkardness and insecurity that defines female sexuality and makes women such easy targets for PUAs. From this comment, we might infer that the dudes that are having their way with you are immature, adolescent practitioners of pua game, and you are defining men according to their terms. It is you that is the awkward chump.

Bottom line? What makes you think that only women do the rejecting? When men start to hold women accountable and require moral agency also of women that’s when men will be rejecting you en masse. Men are starting to wake up.

Look, to be honest, from the brief scan I did of your posts, I thought that you might be a worthy, feisty adversary. ha was I wrong!

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evilwhitemalempire May 3, 2012 at 01:48

Oh and yes I really am a medical student. I was accepted by a group of academic physicians for more intelligent than you, so don’t sweat it.
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Who were these physicians that were for more intelligent than you?

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evilwhitemalempire May 3, 2012 at 02:09

These women in Mexico are not attracted to you sexually, they want your money
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who cares?

makes not a damn bit of difference whether females like sex or not. either way WE still pay (one way or another)

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Ted May 3, 2012 at 02:13

“I’m not going to stop speaking my mind because it hurts insecure”

Ding!

” guys’ feelings. Clearly you have no idea what autism is”

Well, you got that right. Into everyones life, a little bullshit must ooze. Sorry about that.

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evilwhitemalempire May 3, 2012 at 02:14

seriously folks

the very idea that we must pay THEM to sexually satisfy THEM?

why isn’t this brought up more in the manosphere?

only the shadow knows

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evilwhitemalempire May 3, 2012 at 02:22

Clearly you have no idea what autism is
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i do

but i kinda have a little trouble with um, like, language so like, i gotta draw a picture, so like, i gotta go recite the phonebook

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Eric May 3, 2012 at 02:27

Oddsock:
I’ve never really cared for Strap-on all that much. Irwin tools have really gone downhill.
I have some Kingdick jacks, but they’re older models. They seem pretty reliable. Starrett is about the best US tool company. They’re expensive, but if you need precision equiptment or do machine work, they are actually worth looking into.
I actually have two separate businesses; one is designing gardens and the other is custom woodworking (LOL, I do some freelance writing and research too, but that doesn’t count since I never make money at it!) This Winter I’ve been upgrading and reorganizing, so I’m going to be putting some new websites in a couple of months.
What kind of work are you doing?

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Eric May 3, 2012 at 02:31

Poochmule:
I checked out your link. You weren’t kidding about the quality! LOL, after listening to all the feminist garbage today it was like a breath of fresh air!

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Oddsock May 3, 2012 at 02:34

evilwhitemalempire

*These women in Mexico are not attracted to you sexually, they want your money
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who cares?

makes not a damn bit of difference whether females like sex or not. either way WE still pay (one way or another)*

Ha ha ha, I have posted this before. Your comment reminds of my early days as an apprentice. One day a group of us were discussing the social scene girlfriends etc. I can’t remember what actually prompted this response from a jouneyman ( Craftsman ) I think it was something to do with one of the young guys saying he would never pay for sex with a prostitute as he had a girlfriend. The Journeyman gathered us around him and delivered one of many gems of wisdom. He said, listen lads, one way or another you will always pay for your hole. How true !

Also reminds me of the story about a brother & sister conversation. The brother asked his sister how come she always had money while he was always short. She replied, that’s easy to explain, you have a girlfriend and I have a boyfriend.

Old Italian saying; All women are whores except my mother who is a saint.

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Eric May 3, 2012 at 02:34

Britney:
LOL—you’re a stupid bitch. If you’d read my posts yourself you’d see that I’m anti-PUA.
Go down to the homeless shelter now and find yourself a ‘real man’ LOL; I’m going to bed now, I have work to do tomorrow.

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Oddsock May 3, 2012 at 02:47

Eric

I am a former Lecturer, even a trained consellor but I eventually went back on the tools, much more money and far less grief. At the moment I do short term contracts usually outages at the smaller gas turbine power stations. Usually on replacement installation of the filter system support structures but I get asked to do other stuff around the plant. Must admit, its a young mans game and I am getting too old for swinging big feck off hammers and the like. I am just about to book myself on a rather expensive training programme for inspection and NDT with a view to getting into magnetic particle ultra sonics and maybe radiography or at least graph interpretation. All very expensive.

Interesting you mention woodwork. Do you do any wood turning? hard woods etc. Just waiting delivery of a set of small pipes ( Bellows blown ) made from African Blackwood, had to wait 10 months. Big waiting list.

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evilwhitemalempire May 3, 2012 at 02:51

And keyster, I’m a medical student. I don’t need an evolutionary bio lecture.
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in that case remember you must get the vein to bulge before attempting to insert the catheter

otherwise you’ll tear up a dudes vein and we don’t want that

good girl

seriously what would we do without nurses? whenever i need to go use expensive med equipment i can’t afford to buy y’all operate the controls for me

and only at a rate of about say around 35$/hour

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evilwhitemalempire May 3, 2012 at 02:55

As I said, I have a bf. He’s tall, has broad shoulders and he has the most gorgeous blue eyes. He’s smart too!

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not too sure about that last part

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evilwhitemalempire May 3, 2012 at 02:58

i’m keyster?

well, what do ya know keyster!

pleased to meet you

i’m pleased to meet me too

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evilwhitemalempire May 3, 2012 at 03:03

Now now there’s no need to be jealous.
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not quite what i was getting at

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Epoche* May 3, 2012 at 03:45

Britney, its not sexual freedom we have a problem with – its a lack of sexual responsibility. In a welfare state women are not responsible for anything except spreading their legs open. Before feminist agitators got involved there were shotgun weddings. Imagine a world without the income tax or affirmative action and I doubt this much carelessness would exist.

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Travis May 3, 2012 at 04:00

For some reason, after I spent a good thirty minutes or so typing out a response to you, Clearwire automatically re-directed me to their homepage and wouldn’t let me access the spearhead for over an hour. Not sure if the site was down or it was my own shitty internet connection, but for anyone reading this AVOID CLEARWIRE. THEY SUCK ASS!
Okay, now that I’ve gotten that out of my system I’ll get back to re-typing my response….

“I don’t know how old you are, but most young men love having access to casual sex without having to do much in return.”

Okay. As I’ve stated before, I disagree with this. You’re somewhat correct, but only somewhat. Basically, it’s like being fed an exclusive diet of candy. Candy tastes good in the immediate short term, but eventually get a stomach ache, your teeth start to rot, and you begin to long for something with more nutritional value. It’s great for immediate gratification. But when you start looking around for something a little more healthy (namely a serious, committed relationship with a woman you can value and respect) all you see is more candy. I think a lot of guys think it’s great in their early twenties. But when they start to get to the age where they’d like to settle down and raise a family all they see is a bunch of worn out girls with some other dude’s kids nipping at their heels. Personally, this is where I’m at. I’m not looking to marry a girl that every other guy in town has had a turn with. And I want to raise MY kids. Not somebody else’s. I’m sorry if this sounds insensitive, but it IS how I, and almost all of the guys I know think. I hear it all the time.

“Women bear most of the burden for unplanned pregnancies. It is she who has to “take care of it” or carry the child to term, sacrificing her healt and beauty in the process.”

I’m willing to concede that an unplanned pregnancy is a huge burden for a woman if you’re willing to concede that being forced to send a huge portion of your paycheck to someone else for close to twenty years is also a huge burden. But there are two major differences. First, A woman has the option of getting an abortion is she feels that she’s not up to the burden of having a child. As a man, I don’t have that choice. If I accidentally get a girl pregnant, it’s completely in her hands as to whether or not I’m going to spend the next twenty years of my life as an indentured servant. Second, in return for dealing with the burden of having a child, a woman gets to enjoy the right to be a mother. I can’t tell you how many guys I know who only get to see their kids every other weekend and on holidays. I know literally NO women in the same situation. Your burdens comes with rights. Ours come with little to none…

“It’s child support, not mom support.”

I realize this is antecdotal evidence, but I just had a conversation not too long ago with a girl I work with. She was talking about the new house she just bought. Brand new. Two stories. Right on the river. She then asked me if I was still living in the same apartment. (We’ve known each other for a long time…) I said yes. She asked why I don’t buy a house. I replied that I can’t afford it. I then asked her how she could afford a brand new place on the river when we both work at the same place and make the same amount. She hesitated a second, blushed, grinned sheepishly, and then replied “I get child support”.

“Sexual freedom, and all freedoms, are a good thing.”

Again, I have to disagree. Freedom is good, but only when people exercise that freedom responsibly. For example, free speech is a good thing. But there are limits as to how far you should take it. Shouting “Fire!” in a crowded theatre, for instance…
Another example would be the freedom to drink alcohol. I think every adult should have that freedom. But I also think every adult has a responsibility to exercise that right responsibly. If you take it too far, it can be unhealthy for you, your family, and if enough people are irresponsible with that right it becomes unhealthy for society as a whole. Which is where I feel that we are with the “sexual revolution”. The dissolution of marriage and the neuclear family. The divorce rate. Single mothers. STD’s. And large numbers of disaffected males completely dropping out and retreating to video games and porn. If you’re curious as to how this can affect a socitey, an economy, and even women, then Google “Japan” and “grass eaters” or “herbivores”.

“That’s weird because most men (who are able to convince women to have sex with them that is!) love this!”

Again, I disagree with your premise. There’s no way for me to prove it, so you can either choose to believe it or not, but I actually do very well with women. I’m not bragging. I’ll be the first to admit that I did nothing to deserve it. I just happend to kind of luck out in the genetic lottery. But my point is, I am one of those guys who is able to convince women to have sex with me. And most of the guys I run with are also able to convince quite a few women to have sex with them. But I hear it over, and over, and over. Guys are desperate to find a woman they can love and respect. And they have a hard time loving and respecting easy women. I realize you’re going to say “It’s not my fault that those guys aren’t secure enough to love and respect a woman whose had a large number of sexual partners.” But you need to try to understand that men and women ARE wired differently. And political correctness doesn’t come into play when we’re talking about who we fall in love with. Why don’t men fight over the right to date high priced call girls, strippers, and/or pornstars? Many of them are extremely physically attractive. And it’s a safe bet that most of them know how to sexually please a man better than the average woman. And yet, those women are at the very bottom of the list of the type of girls a man wants to have a long term relationship with or marry. It’s got nothing to do with the fact that those women charge for it. It’s got everything to do with the number of partners they’ve had.
It’s one of those “Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus” things. Women seem to actually be MORE attracted to a man whose had a lot of sexual partners. I’ve heard it said that if a woman asks a man his “number” she should divide by three, and if a man asks a woman her “number” he should multiply by three. There’s a reason men exaggerate their number and women minimize theirs. We think differently, and we’re attracted to different things. There’s a reason those guys who flew the planes into the towers were looking foreward to 47 virgins, instead of 47 porn stars. Do you think 47 virgins would be a prize for any woman? More like a nightmare…
Consider the way things were when men WERE in charge of female sexuality. If men really do have it better now that women are “sexually liberated” wouldn’t the reverse have been true? Wouldn’t men have encouraged promiscuous behavior in women? Why didn’t they? Because they knew that it wouldn’t be conducive to a healthy, productive society. Men need something of vlaue to work for if you want them to take part in society and be productive citizens. That used to be a chaste woman and a family of their own. If you remove that carrot, they have no incentive.
The fact of the matter is that the more sexual partners a woman has had, the lower her value in the eyes of men as far as her prospects for being a wife or a long term girlfriend. As your number goes up, men see sex with you less as an something special, an “intimate bonding experience”, and more as an enjoyable stand in for his hand. It might not be fair, and it might not be right. But unfortunately it’s the truth. And we can’t change it any more than you ladies can change the fact that you’re more sexually attracted to the dominant, bad boy, alpha types, as opposed to the nice, sweet, easy going beta types…

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Avenger May 3, 2012 at 04:26

This Brittney has been posting for 19 hrs straight so apparently is in the manic stage of bipolar or there’s a girl gang here annoying good men.

So let’s ask the student a few basic questions here and yes I realise that anything can be found on the net these days but the answers may not be found to these questions. She should be able to answer off the top of her head but let’s see how long she takes. I’ll word them in a manner that will make it more difficult to look up but which a real student would know.

So, if you had patient with a benign brain tumour, say about the size of a pea, in the brainstem, should a general surgeon or neurosurgeon remove it? And would the patient be given general anesthesia or just be sedated and given local.

And since you are a femininst and a med student this question should interest you. When was it first discovered why a female menstruates? And how was it discovered and by whom?

If you had a patient who has taken an overdose of cocaine but otherwise wasn’t suffering any real adverse effects like chest pains or a problem breathing etc. what drug would you administer?

If you suspected that a patient has appendicitis what would be the first test to confirm this and what is it called?

If you had to draw some blood from me for a lab test and accidently hit a major nerve what would you do?

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W.F. Price May 3, 2012 at 04:30

“Personally, this is where I’m at. I’m not looking to marry a girl that every other guy in town has had a turn with. ”

YOU were that guy at one point. YOU destroyed your future wife.

-FFP

Nah, she ruined herself. In a sane society (like most in the world), women are considered more responsible for sexual restraint, because they are better at it. It’s the same reason men are considered more responsible for fighting, carrying heavy things, etc.

codebuster May 3, 2012 at 04:31

Brit provides an excellent case study on how the female rationalization hamster works. Let’s take a look:

Again all you’re trying to do is demonize women for choosing men other than you. First women overlooked men like you in favor of “average” guys.

It is her rationalization hamster at work, trotting into full spin, personalizing comments and reading into them “other than you” and then tacking it in onto the end of the sentence. Pure projection. Just because Brit’s solipsistic world view is about me, me, me, I, me, I want, I need, I hurt, does not mean that men think from the same narcissistic perspective.

Who are you to tell anyone that their choices are stupid or average? You guys would be the first to attack a woman for claiming that men don’t want her because their standards are wrong. Listen, people are attracted to what they are attracted to. They’re not right or wrong, or stupid or smart, they just are.

Cultural relativism at work. In Brit-world, even a fat tub of lard is entitled to proclaim her bountiful “beauty” and men should be honored for the privilege of dumping their seed in between the folds of flab.

You don’t know anything about me and your assertion that I’m an entitled princess is so off the mark you have no idea.

No, I didn’t assert any such thing. Reread the sentence. More projection and personalization.

BTW, the PUA stuff doesn’t work.

It is more likely to work on those women who deny that it works. It just does.

I think it’s two-fold: One, the men who resort to that nonsense are already less attractive, less confident around women and socially awkward in general. Two, you can’t teach someone how to be attractive. So it’s just a failure. I understand that the guys who live by this desperately want to believe it works, for obvious reasons.

I always laugh when women like this pass judgement on men’s attractiveness. They haven’t a fucking clue.

As someone who’s had it done on her many times, it’s so freaking obvious though.

When people notice something and think that it’s obvious, they are often projecting. How do you know that it’s not you that is reading into other people’s intentions motives that aren’t there? Sometimes you might be right. But be careful if you ever get to the stage where you’re seeing the same intentions in every man.

Like I said I have a science background so I attack arguments very critically and I really just can’t deal with logical leaps, unfounded conclusions, strange assumptions and the like. It drives me crazy… I guess it’s because we’re trained to think like this.

hahaha – just sayin’ :)

protip: read my comments carefully before replying to avoid silly projections that say more about you than whomsoever it is you wish to criticize.

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American May 3, 2012 at 04:49

The American Gender, Gender-Raunch community are a nasty, vulgar lot who empower themselves by persecuting hetero-males and fathers. The strong arm of Gender-Raunch manifests itself in their perverse misinformation and “manufactured statistics Alliances” with american law enforcement.
Gender-Raunch control many aspects of the modern American paradigm, so our fight for equal protection under the law, against a juggernaut of perverts may be long. But at least we are showing the rest of the world what happens when you let yer law enforcement get into the “Manufacturing statistics” business.

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Avenger May 3, 2012 at 05:04

Looks like bipolar Brittney ran away.

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Travis May 3, 2012 at 05:09

@former female poster,
Sorry, but I think you misunderstood my point. I NEVER said I was a player or that I had slept with tons of women. I said that I’ve never had problems ATTRACTING women. And while there’s a whole LOT of quantity out there to be had, there’s NOT a whole lot in the way of quality. That’s not to say that I haven’t slept with some of those women that “every guy in town has had a turn with”. It’s gotten to the point where most men don’t have a choice. They can either sleep with those women, or remain completely celibate. Since I don’t particularly want to BE completely celibate for the rest of my life, I DO end up sleeping with some of those women. But while it’s still possible to find those women sexually attractive, it’s NOT possible for me, (or most of the men I know) to find those women attractive on any other level. Which is why I’m against the “sexual liberation” that Brittney and yourself seem to think is such a wonderful thing. Because I realize that it makes it easy to get laid, but I also realize that getting laid ISN’T what it’s all about. And I have a feeling that once Brittney gets a little older she’s gonna’ realize that, maybe those days when men and women fell in love and got married, (And STAYED married) when they were young weren’t so bad after all. Neither one of us had “sexual freedom” back then. But we did have a partner to grow old with, to share life’s ups and downs with, to raise children with, and eventually to sit on the back porch, hold hands with, and to watch our grandchildren play together with. Just like I watched my grandparents doing while my brother and I played in the yard. Do you really see that in the future for most of today’s couples? Do you understand that it’s incredibly hard for a man to form that kind of bond with a woman whose given herself to dozens and dozens of guys before him? With a divorce rate hovering at close to sixty percent? With the marriage rate declining every year? With the (VERY) multiple partners, single mom’s, and child support, and third or fourth spouses? We’ve traded short term gratification for our long term happiness. And to me, that’s sad…
And THAT’S why I’m here. THAT’S why I’m opposed to the “sexual liberation”.

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Opus May 3, 2012 at 05:11

Jeeeeez (I just got up)

The last thread was sabotaged by Rob. This one by Brittney. At least in the days when Peter Nolan contrinbuted he was sometimes funny (and at least occasionally went to bed), but this twenty-four hour deluge from you-know-who is (at least for me) painful to watch – but like a train-wreck in slow motion, it is hard to look away.

…and it is not just becasue she is female, there are plenty of inciteful contributors on certain male-dominated blogs who are always worth reading; even Lara (dear Lara) is always somehow amusingly unexpected, but this… It is rude, I know to criticise others for merely contributing, but to take over a blog, ignore the head-essay, not withstanding (as she can see from the fact that every one of her efforts becomes hidden) that she is getting nowhere in persuading people to accept her views, seems to me to be a cross between stupidity and vanity.

Not that she is the first, and she won’t be the last.

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Oddsock May 3, 2012 at 05:15

Here you go Keyster, thought this may interest you ?

“Ron Paul Won Minnesota & Washington State!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQMtlah4Iec&feature=player_embedded#!

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Avenger May 3, 2012 at 05:15

Opus- it’s intent was to disrupt and Welmer should have blocked it immediately.

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greyghost May 3, 2012 at 06:01

I’m Glad to see these women posting up this stuff. There attitude is just the stuff the young men need to see it is in family court,crimminal court,pop culture and every thing else. I hope Keyster got a good look at it too. Women will not end misandry because they think it is not in their interest to do so. And my god why do men continue to project human compassion on to women. A woman does not behave in a kind manor because she is kind she does so because it makes her be seen as a kind person. And then she gets the priviledge and assumed benefits of being seen as such. As AA70 has said a mexican women will call the cops on her man real quick but whats keeps it in check is that the country doesn’t have the resources to carry her so she is polite. No wifely virtue there just your typical woman taking care of herself. The female commenters here on this article are what they are The women today behave the way they do because they can and I hold them blame less Even I think her name was Ellie is completely clueless about why we are here. These are normal western women and the proud arrogance is just part of the normal.

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Emma the Emo May 3, 2012 at 06:02

Brittney,
Dissenters are often treated with respect here, unless the disagreement is the typical old feminist brainwashing (no you don’t have to think you are feminist to be one). Might get downvoted, but people will respond to you logically. If you’re a woman, you might get downvoted just for that for some time even. Not saying it’s right, but it doesn’t really matter and shouldn’t stop debate. It’s just that you came on strong, and in the 3rd part of your comment said that men are just angry they can’t get laid and hate sluts because sluts are fucking everyone but them and wish they couldn’t do it. Around here, “you just can’t get laid” is recognized as a shaming tactic, which I think it is… Because, what’s the reason to tell men they are angry when they have a reason to be so?
As for your points. Pregnancy is a one-sided burden. Because of that, women also receive more choice, as they should. The man can’t stop you from aborting the baby you got from him and can’t make you abort it either, if he decided he doesn’t want to be a father. One-sided burdens go together with one-sided freedoms. Women have a lot more options as to how to avoid pregnancy than men do. Condoms have less safety rates than the pill btw- this is the men’s one-sided burden. As long as they have it, they should get some extra freedom too in that matter, or else it’s unfair. There is A LOT you can do to avoid pregnancy. And if you’re afraid your bf will disappear the moment you give birth to a child, don’t get pregnant without marriage. It’s your body, your choice, your responsibility.
As for sex with minors… A lot of my girlfriends had sex with older men before 18, they are fine. A 16 year old is not a child. Also, remember that each country chooses its own legal age, it’s a bit arbitrary.
Also, Price asked if it should be ok to admit to women at work you want to have sex with them, and you equated it with harassment. Why is it harassment, exactly? If they are not threatening you, you can just say no. Don’t you think that arresting people for expressing sexual interest is tyrannical? Imagine if i happened to you and your intentions were nothing but positive.
Also, there is the rape accusations. I’m not sure how they are in USA, but in Norway (which is together with Sweden is a feminist role model for rape laws around the world), you can go to jail literally for sex that’s regretted. We have a negligent rape law, where the perpetrator “should have known” the “victim” didn’t want it to happen, but didn’t bother resisting. It doesn’t look any different from consentual sex from the onlookers POV, so it can’t be proven to be rape. Yet men go to jail for it. We have this, in the western world… And we also criminalize buying of sex, but not selling. Yes, the laws are gender neutral, but there is no doubt of who really gets the damage they inflict.
With all those dangers, men’s ability to get laid is more restricted that necessary, They are too scared to ask you out at work, casual sex is like gambling with your freedom, and you can’t do it for money. And if some slut out there makes a bad decision and has a baby from a guy who can’t be found or hasn’t got a job, your tax money might go to her through welfare, even though you get nothing for it in return. No sex. Or babies.
You also admitted women often like men for their money. Unfortunately, this method of obtaining sex is also restricted for men in many countries, through affirmative action of women into the top jobs.
Do you now see why men might be angry about their restricted chances of getting laid while sluts have thei fun, sometimes at their cost?

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J May 3, 2012 at 06:11

@Emma the Emo,

I am a happily married man! After reading your comments, if I wasn’t, I think I would fly to Norway to take you off the market almost immediately, I think I am in love again. I’d tell you I want you so badly right now, but A. I love my wife, and B. Britt would be jealous, and have me thrown in prison!

Glad your here gorgeous! I don’t care what you look like, you are gorgeous to me!

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Oddsock May 3, 2012 at 06:16

J

Oh you feckin two timing slapper. Thats the last time I lend you one of me inflatable sheep.

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Opus May 3, 2012 at 06:16

@Avenger

I would never dream of criticising our host – it is his blog after all. I am sure Welmer knows exactly what he is doing. I may find this thread frustrating,- because the head-essay, even though I do not entirely agree with all Welmer writes, has much food for thought – and the link to Devlin’s excellent essay (thanks Jacko) has been more than worth the nonsense, but clearly many others have enjoyed themselves enormously.

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Charles Martel May 3, 2012 at 06:21

Let’s say Brittney is exactly who she says she is. An attractive, intelligent medical student.

Who’s the equal in narcissism and general all around unpleasantness to any typical dumb bitch. Just one more ordinary uncurious solipsistic female brain.

Capable of almost 24 hours of “Look at meeeeee, I’m so smaaart, and attractive, and you all aren’t.”

The product of an enabling, fantasizing, you go girrrrl feminized education system. Stickin’ it to da boyz.

But deep down, like all women, Brittney knows she’s intellectually inferior.

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J May 3, 2012 at 06:28

then sheep > inflatable sheep > britt!

Kinda a no brainer!

LOLOLOL

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Rmaxd May 3, 2012 at 06:28

@J

Emma’s a typical western woman who still doesnt understand why mens rights should always supercede & will always be superior to womens rights …

For example

“Pregnancy is a one-sided burden. Because of that, women also receive more choice, as they should.”

She really doesnt understand women should have more RESPONSIBILITY not choice

For the record Emma Welfare & abortion are NOT choices, theyre THEFT OF MENS PROPERTY & Murder

Also a woman getting pregnant WITHOUT a mans consent is THEFT OF A MANS DNA

ONLY a feminist skank like Emma would consider stealing a mans property & aborting children in cold blood a one sided burden …

This is one of the MAJOR problems with women in the MRA, they never truly understand how sickening & fucked up their feminist brainwashed ideas really are …

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J May 3, 2012 at 06:30

then sheep > inflatable sheep > blow up dol > britt!

Kinda a no brainer!

LOLOLOL

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W.F. Price May 3, 2012 at 06:30

I would never dream of criticising our host

-Opus