Curvy Women in Perspective

by W.F. Price on April 27, 2012

One more thing that becomes apparent in Europe is that the American idea of “BBW” or “curvy” women is really out there — nowhere near the norm. Being around tons of very skinny (by American standards) women in Europe, sometimes you might come across a woman with a little more in the hips and chest department than usual, and she catches your eye. This is natural, as men tend to like these feminine features. However, in the US “curvy” denotes an obese woman whose hips are rendered insignificant by an enormous belly. So-called BBWs in the US are not really curvy — they are rotund.

I really can’t stress enough the extent to which obesity has ruined American women’s attractiveness. Feminists blather on and on about how women should be “comfortable” with their bodies, but the truth is that many American women would be viewed as abominations in most of the world. Curvy women should have every right to feel sexy and proud of their physiques, but without a waist women are not actually curvy, but rather round.

If you were to try to come up with a parallel for men, I suppose it would be something like having toothless, homeless alcoholic men say that they should be proud of themselves and feel attractive. Feminists are really that far out there. They are literally delusional by global standards. No normal man in the rest of the world finds obese American women attractive. Sure, they may be able to find some skinny guy from a third world country who will pretend to love them to get a green card, but any self-respecting man will give them a very wide berth.

However, if you’re an American man in a foreign country, it’s entirely normal when a woman who is a bit “more” than average catches your eye, because all the other women are so thin — sometimes a little too thin for a mature man’s taste. This is really the Marilyn Monroe effect, and puts her appeal in perspective. Marilyn Monroe was not fat, but had hips and a waist when most American women were more linear in shape. Today, Marilyn Monroe would be considered petite next to the monstrosities that waddle along our streets.

{ 105 comments… read them below or add one }

Hf April 27, 2012 at 09:19

“American women would be viewed as abominations in most of the world.”

Lol, and this is before American women even open their mouth!

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 125 Thumb down 7
AntZ April 27, 2012 at 09:29

“Today, Marilyn Monroe would be considered petite next to the monstrosities that waddle along our streets.”

Classic.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 90 Thumb down 8
AfOR April 27, 2012 at 09:32

This is a bit like the other post Bill, shades of the grass is always greener next door….

Never had a problem finding and shagging yank women, but they were all yank women away from the US… eg ex pats

Did always notice women from wherever you weren’t were more purty, but that’s just DNA working its magic innit.

Re the rest and obesity, yeah, like my dad always said, there were no fat bastards in Belsen, and one fat kid in our entire school.. do a google image search for school photos from the 60′s and 70′s… >;&)

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 23
AfOR April 27, 2012 at 09:33

ps re your other “yank” abroad post

we could always spot the yank backpackers at a distance because their canadian flags were a lot bigger than the ones sews on to the canadians backpacks…..

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 17 Thumb down 5
W.F. Price April 27, 2012 at 10:01

ps re your other “yank” abroad post

we could always spot the yank backpackers at a distance because their canadian flags were a lot bigger than the ones sews on to the canadians backpacks…..

-AfOR

Hey, for better or worse, I’m proud to be American. No way I’d stoop to hiding my nationality. I’ll leave that to the ashamed “progressive” types who truly hate their homeland.

I have caught a little flak for being an American (always from Western Euros), but I can more than hold my own, and they usually end up getting along with me fine at the end of the exchange.

Anonymous Reader April 27, 2012 at 10:16

There was a public display of some of Monroe’s dresses recently, and the size & measurements were not at all what the hippo-positive types claim. She was rather petite, just nicely stacked. I’ll try to find the URL and post it.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 28 Thumb down 0
Art Vandelay April 27, 2012 at 10:37

Isn’t this “she must feel comfortable in her body” schtick a giant neg anyways? It’s like telling a fat chick she has a nice face.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 32 Thumb down 3
Anonymous April 27, 2012 at 10:39

It seems that neither the articles nor comments RSS feeds are functioning. They both stopped updating on Wednesday.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0
American April 27, 2012 at 10:42

American Gender-Raunch, through 30-40 years of anti-hetero agitation propaganda (Much of which is now being manufactured by American law enforcement with yer tax dollars), have gained Empowerment in high places in America.
The only way to temper the dis-proportionate amount of Empowerment that American gender-Raunch now enjoy (at the expense of others) is to challenge the inflammatory rhetoric (much that is now being manufactured by American law enforcement), that they are using to inflame their way to empowerment.
De-construct the propaganda machine!!

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 27
American April 27, 2012 at 10:50

A cornerstone of the re-construction of the gender-feminist Empowerment paradigm, would be to reclaim the terms patriarchy and matriarchy.
The real definitions of patriarchy and matriarchy are as fallows.
Patriarchy = order , education, accountability, civilization, responsibility.
Matriarchy = chaos, dis-order, ignorance, hysteria (mass hysteria), irresponsibility.

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 26 Thumb down 20
TFH April 27, 2012 at 11:10

That is why Roosh is going good work with his ‘Fat Girl Jihad’, and this needs to be given exposure often.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 33 Thumb down 15
TFH April 27, 2012 at 11:12

But the real reason for US obesity is processed food, and Europe does in fact have all the same chains (McDonald’s, etc.). So why are they not fat?

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 15 Thumb down 13
TFH April 27, 2012 at 11:13

I want the words ‘Fatocalypse’ and ‘Fatastrophe’ to become mainstream.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 40 Thumb down 12
W.F. Price April 27, 2012 at 11:22

It seems that neither the articles nor comments RSS feeds are functioning. They both stopped updating on Wednesday.

-Anonymous

Yeah, I noticed that today. I’m working on it.

crjc April 27, 2012 at 11:24

I’m wondering if its something in the water or food supply. I know that in the US they use a lot of high fructose corn syrop, and that US milk can’t be sold in Canada because of bovine growth hormones used to spur milk production. And yet….

Right now I’m in the province of Nova Scotia, near a town called Liverpool. I’ve never seen so many morbidly obese people in one place before. And I’ve been through all 48 lower states. I’m hearing an alarming number of people complaining of and dying from cancers in their reproductive organs, and an alarming number of women complaining of constant bleeding and other problems. These all appear to be symptoms of estrogen poisoning, either from Volatile Organic Chemicals like dioxin, unfermented soy products, food and water packaged in plastics, and synthetic hormones from the pill or hormone replacement therapy getting into the water supply. I sure hope its not the water — everyone here has wells, not city water. If it is the water its the whole water table.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 24 Thumb down 1
keyster April 27, 2012 at 11:26

Muffin tops are all the rage.
She’s making a statement that know matter how much her belly hangs over her designer jeans, men will still think she’s hot – – ’cause she’s irresistibly cute, and you know you want her. And if YOU don’t, somebody else will.

Being attractive to viable men is not as much a concern as defiantly signaling her independence and empowerment. If women would unite and all adopt this “attitude”, men will have nothing better to choose from. It’s market control through solitarity; cultural collusion, legal anti-trust.

Women who still care about their attractiveness to men have pride, modesty and dignity, and are slaves to Patriarchy.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 47 Thumb down 4
crjc April 27, 2012 at 11:26

PS. I am a Canadian. When travelling I don’t typically wear any flags, just a large silver belt-buckle with an eagle on it. Got it in New Mexico.

Not all Canadians are “progressives”.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 29 Thumb down 0
Norm April 27, 2012 at 11:34

BBW? It can also be an abreviation of Big Blue Whale. On western women, their health matches their personality.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 28 Thumb down 4
Traveller April 27, 2012 at 11:40

After reading your last couple of post, now I am curious.

You posted two photos of European people for contrast with American people.

Where we Europeans could find some photos of American people in the streets?

I mean, not the classic pictures of people posing because they know they are being photographed; but casual photos of streets – like those you got – so we can taste a bit of that “horrid” experience of obesity you Americans always tell about your country.

****

When I was a microscopic child I grow up with American telefilms of the 80s. There were no obesity in Magnum PI, or those sitcoms with Michael J Fox or Kirk Cameron. I loved the 80s school comedies like Weird Science (with Kelly LeBrock). No obesity and no rudeness, but true dream land.

It seems like remembering the Eden before the Apple (not Steve Jobs’ :-) ).

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 19 Thumb down 0
The First Joe April 27, 2012 at 11:48

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 21 Thumb down 43
The First Joe April 27, 2012 at 11:59

Re: Just how many men really do dig BBWs – BBW is apparently the second biggest category of porn on the web (presumably after “Big Boobs”). That’s the voice of a significant minority of the market speaking loud and clear, in $$$.

Oh, you’re right that Marilyn Monroe, while very shapely was actually pretty slim. I believe her dress were exhibited recently and she had like a 24″ or 26″ waist or something? As far as I recall.

Also, whoeveritwas, was bang on about HFCS, aspartame, soy and “crypto” estrogens in the food / water supply.

If it wasn’t food 100 years ago, don’t let them con you into thinking it’s food now. Also, men shouldn’t eat soy, due to it’s high estrogen content which can fuck up your testosterone, which is vital for men’s health (another reason not to be a vegetarian).

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 24 Thumb down 18
W.F. Price April 27, 2012 at 12:00

I mean, not the classic pictures of people posing because they know they are being photographed; but casual photos of streets – like those you got – so we can taste a bit of that “horrid” experience of obesity you Americans always tell about your country.

-Traveller

Check out “People of WalMart

Anonymous April 27, 2012 at 12:03

Traveller
Where we Europeans could find some photos of American people in the streets?

Where else but People of Walmart ? It’s not pretty. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 15 Thumb down 0
Anonymous April 27, 2012 at 12:13

American woman , stay away from me;
American woman , mama let me be;
Don’t come hangin’ around my door;
I don’t wanna see your face no more.

LOL

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 31 Thumb down 1
beta_plus April 27, 2012 at 12:15

@TFH – because in certain European countries women still cook and haven’t been brain washed by feminism to think that it is beneath them.

In EE and FSU, they simply do not have the wealth necessary to eat at McDonald’s all of the time. For countries like France and Italy, it’s because it’s part of the culture – if you don’t cook, you’re not French or Italian. It’s like being a Colombian or Venezuelan who can’t dance.
Madelleine can’t scream “SEXISM!” when being forced to learn how to cook at 12 because Pierre is being forced too. That Madellleine will use her cooking skills to have healthy children while Pierre will use it to seduce Madelleine’s BFF exchange student friend Jennifer from Chicago is not relevant.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 1
Art Vandelay April 27, 2012 at 12:20

Just how many men really do dig BBWs – BBW is apparently the second biggest category of porn on the web (presumably after “Big Boobs”). That’s the voice of a significant minority of the market speaking loud and clear, in $$$.

Got a source on that? I find that hard to believe. Also if you like fat women you probably don’t need porn ;)

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 24 Thumb down 1
Traveller April 27, 2012 at 12:35

Thanks for the suggestion.

I already knew People of Walmart, or Poorly Dressed in Failblog, but my doubt was: are they statistically significant?

It is funny pick strange people on purpose, but I am curious for evidence of this fact I read so many times, ie the roads are crowded of almost naked obese people, and every where you turn eyes, you see lard slowly bouncing (not that I doubt).

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 2
LordDabber April 27, 2012 at 12:54

“…will give them a very wide berth.” LOL! You’d have too because they are so large!

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 2
Eximio April 27, 2012 at 13:19

Go here and give a thumbs down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUnPsjZ6YvM

Try commenting too. Sen. Patty Murray’s staff will screen comments that are not pro-VAWA, but let’s try to overwhelm them.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1
van Rooinek April 27, 2012 at 13:20

Excellent observation.

To Europeans, and to American man, curvy means curvaceous.. the insanely attractive hourglass figure.

To American women, it’s a euphemism for, “I’m hideously obese!”

The divergence of meaning is the occasion for much misunderstanding on dating website profiles.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1
Georice81 April 27, 2012 at 13:33

I am not sure if anyone remembers an episode from “The Firing Line”, around 1999 where the topic of the discussion was “Is Feminism Dead?”. On one side you had the likes of Betty Friedan and on the other (conservative) side were ladies such as Arriana Huffington. The differences between the feminists and the non-feminists was striking. The feminists were unkempt, angry, tough looking and looked like retreads from some sort of circus. The conservatives were well dressed, well mannered, happy, and looked like they had a bath that morning. Genetically, there was no real difference between the two. It was a difference in lifestyles that made them appear so different.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 25 Thumb down 1
keyster April 27, 2012 at 13:48

“…but my doubt was: are they statistically significant?”

While “People of Walmart” might seem like an acedotal/comedic extreme — it’s a fair representation of the people that shop there, and a fair representation of how obese Americans have become in general.

I hate hyperbole, truthiness and exaggeration for affect.
It’s really gotten that bad here; especially evident in women and children. No lie.

It’s part dining out, excessive carbs and sugar, and sloth.
Be aware most Walmarts have McDonalds within them and they’re usually very busy; a heavenly combination.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1
dragnet April 27, 2012 at 13:49

“Curvy women should have every right to feel sexy and proud of their physiques, but without a waist women are not actually curvy, but rather round.”

Yes. Even in most cultures where heavier women are considered desirable, obesity is still considered highly unattractive.

American blacks definitely have a higher tolerance for heft than whites. But for us that means Beyonce or Serena Williams rather than Mo’Nique or Star from The View. Jennifer Hudson lost weight for a reason. Personally, I don’t mind women who are little heavier. She just has to have a more-or-less flat stomach and a cute face. And breasts—there is nothin worse than a flat-chested heavy chick (thankfully rare, in my experience).

The abomination that is the average American woman in flyover country constitutes nothing less than a full-scale loathing of male sexuality. Roosh’s jihad against fatness has my full-throated support.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 25 Thumb down 6
Szebran April 27, 2012 at 13:58

BBW – a propaganda term if ever there was one.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 16 Thumb down 3
MRA April 27, 2012 at 14:03
Brian April 27, 2012 at 14:17

If a BBW doesn’t call herself a “BBW,” then what does she call herself?

Answer: athletic.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 15 Thumb down 0
Ryu April 27, 2012 at 14:33

I also would not criticize the US so much.

I like Europe as it is full of whites. But their holycost laws are outrageous. Freedom of speech is limited. 10 years for the Roman salute. Of course, those restrictions don’t come from Europeans themselves, but the other who continues to draw their bribes even today.

There is much to commend about the US. We are the most violent and barbaric people on Earth – a great virtue. We grow up with violence on TV. Our nation is full of criminals of all sorts. Any man may purchase a gun. It’s strength and power that matter.

I feel that Europe has lost much of it’s warrior spirit. Perhaps if Welmer passes through Paris or London, he may report upon their “demographic” issues.

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 41 Thumb down 35
Eric April 27, 2012 at 14:38

Price:
“having toothless, homeless alcoholic men say they should feel proud of themselves and consider themselves attractive.’

LOL, I can see from that statement, you HAVE been away from Seattle too long! Remember, those types of men actually DO feel proud of themselves; and it doesn’t look like they have too much trouble picking up women either.

There really is no corresponding type to the BBW among American males. We’re hated and shamed just because we exist.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 17 Thumb down 1
Eric April 27, 2012 at 14:42

Afor;
‘The grass is always greener…”

I think what Price is pointing out is that the pastures outside the US are green and waiting for harvest. Inside the US, the pastures are being grazed down by a bunch of fat cows!

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 12 Thumb down 2
Eric April 27, 2012 at 14:48

First Joe:
‘BBW is probably the second biggest category of internet porn’

If that’s true, it more likely has to do with the fact that even pornographers within the Anglosphere are having problems finding enough attractive women to keep their businesses going. They’re pushing ‘BBW’s because this is the highest quality they can come up with.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 15 Thumb down 3
Diane April 27, 2012 at 14:49

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 10 Thumb down 36
crella April 27, 2012 at 15:00

I’m so sick of this ‘I’m curvy’ business. I purchase most of my clothes from the US. I can wear Japanese clothing, but with a good bit of it, the sleeves are too short, and pants can be a bit on the short side. It’s just less of a hassle to have things shipped over.

The company I use had always had thumbnails of just the clothes themselves on a white background. About a year ago they started using models in the target age range, late 30s to mid 50s. The models weren’t young, but they were all fit and attractive. Not leggy busty 6′ tall supermodels, but nicely proportioned 40-ish women (but fit). Oh, the screeching on the company’s Facebook page! The page exploded. A couple hundred comments on every ‘New Arrivals’ post, bleating on and on about how ‘real women have curves’, ‘they don’t represent ME’ and how using the models was ‘a dig’ at their regular customers….after two or three months of this, they reverted back to thumbnails. The comments were vicious, the amount of jealousy and spite directed at the models was just insane. These are the same customers leaving comments on how the new blouse just doesn’t hang right in a 3X (size 24).

American portion sizes are huge, compared to an average restaurant meal in Europe or Japan. I think you can become accustomed to eating more food than you need, Super-sizing and monster muffins at Costco (840 calories per for many of them) and such things becoming the new ‘normal’ portion size. Another big factor is a couple of generations of women being told to ignore their own biological instincts (or that there are no differences between men and women), and that making an effort to look good is pandering to the Patriarchy. Being 100 pounds overweight can’t be easy nor feel good, it must screw up one’s head to feel bad, but be told that you’re ‘beautiful the way you are’. The vicious lashing out at a normal-looking woman on a clothing website just shows the self-loathing that exists, while on the other hand also displays the delusion that they’re trying to get themselves to believe.

Anyone who looks at Marilyn Monroe’s final photo shoot will see that she was far, far from being as fat as women lately claim she is.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 25 Thumb down 7
Georice81 April 27, 2012 at 15:01

I prefer skinny gals but as women age they don’t look too bad with a little bit of fat. I have met a few women in their 40′s who like to think that they have the same body as when they were in high school. To some degree that is true but they look sick and their faces are like dried out prunes. Nonetheless, hey, they have the same body as when they were 17!

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 2
Nemo April 27, 2012 at 15:24

I have a Body Mass Index (BMI) of just over 24, at the high end of the “normal” range of 18-24. A BMI of 25-30 is “overweight”, 30+ is “obese”.

I’ve had female family members accuse me of being “anorexic” because I don’t like to eat calories that I don’t need or want, such as fat on a steak or the skin on chicken breasts.

Those people are definitely in the 30+ BMI category, but the fact that they think that way is a bit scary.

About 68% of Americans are overweight/obese (with a BMI of 25+). The “normal” and underweight (very few of those!) are just 32% of the population, and many of them are young adults or teenagers. IOW, “fat” is the statistical norm for the 5oth percentile. The medically “normal” (BMI<25) cohort constitutes the bottom third (32%) of the population.

The simple fact that I'm not obese makes most people assume that I'm at least ten years younger than my real age. THAT'S how bad it is -"normal" middle-aged adults are confused with teenagers/young adults simply because everyone assumes that "old" and "fat" are the same thing in the USA.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1
Diane April 27, 2012 at 15:26

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 30
Davd April 27, 2012 at 15:29

I spent a sabbatical in Helsinki quite a few years ago, when i was in my 40s, and never had a car. Bicycled most places; that city has a really good bicycle commuting network. I was in better shape than i’ve otherwise been, when living in a city.

So were the women of Helsinki, whether they walked or cycled, in better shape, even then, than women on this side of the ocean who drove.

Not to deny fast junk food its share of the blame, the cult of the automobile should have some too.

btw, Brian, did you mean to spell “assletic”?

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0
Avenger April 27, 2012 at 15:47

Marilyn Monroe-Her measurements were recorded by her dressmaker as 36-23-37 and sometimes fluctuated between that and 36-24-37.
She was 5′ 5 1/2″and weighed 118- to perhaps a max of 135 lbs. That was considered “full figured” and a lot of these girls had a little padding in their arse to make it look bigger as well as the way female clothes were cut to give a bigger arse look.
Full figured is the type that pose in Playboy (at least years ago) which means that they just have naturally big boobs with a slim body. A female’s distribution of body fat is all genetic. Of course, a fat girl should lose weight but this doesn’t mean she’ll have a good well proportioned figure that appeals to men. She may still be pear shaped just lighter in weight. No diet, exercise or surgery can change this. And no amount of plastic surgery will even make an ordinary looking girl beautiful. Plastic surgery is only good if you have a completely ugly girl and use it to take away some negative effects and then make her so that she is passable. But she will never be good looking only less hideous.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 3
Avenger April 27, 2012 at 16:01

It’s really funny that every ad you see today is about losing weight while 50 years ago it was all about gaining weight lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Atlas#.22The_Insult_that_Made_a_Man_out_of_Mac.22

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 13 Thumb down 0
Steve_85 April 27, 2012 at 16:25

It’s a simple equation. Energy in must be less than energy out and you’ll lose weight. Good food, bad food, doesn’t matter. If you want to lose weight, eat less.

Fat chicks are fat entirely through their own lack of discipline and I have no sympathy for them. It’s self inflicted. Lose some weight fatty.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 25 Thumb down 10
Ted April 27, 2012 at 16:39

@Traveller April 27, 2012 at 12:35
“I already knew People of Walmart, or Poorly Dressed in Failblog, but my doubt was: are they statistically significant?”

Try searching for street scenes on Youtube. For example, a search for “Seattle street” came up with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FS4XAx2ufk

They don’t look universally obese to me. Granted, it was cold and there were bulky overcoats everywhere.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0
Avenger April 27, 2012 at 16:40

AfOR April 27, 2012 at 09:32

This is a bit like the other post Bill, shades of the grass is always greener next door….

Never had a problem finding and shagging yank women, but they were all yank women away from the US… eg ex pats

Has it ever occured to you that those were the wealthier Americans? In the US people are fatter, fuglier looking and dumber as you go down in class.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 14 Thumb down 2
Attila April 27, 2012 at 17:28

I’ve met many Afro-women who can flirt and stay lady-like—can’t say the same about the typical urban, professional Officebotskitute.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 9
Eric April 27, 2012 at 19:08

Crella:
That is really a galling story, but unfortunately very typical of modern women’s attitudes. I wonder seriously when a line gets crossed between simple illogic/bad education and outright psychosis. These women whom you mentioned seem be following a line of reasoning something like: ‘men shouldn’t care about looks’ followed probably by ‘why aren’t real men interested in us?’

Women who actually are attractive seem to follow the same line in reverse: ‘All men are pigs who only care about my looks’ followed by ‘I know the men I date are the dregs of humanity, but they know their place.’

Their claims about Marilyn Monroe being fat are in the same category. These lard-buckets want to believe that they compare favorably with Marilyn Monroe. Most of them compare a lot more closely with Rosie O’Donnell.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 17 Thumb down 1
dragnet April 27, 2012 at 19:45

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 17 Thumb down 33
crella April 27, 2012 at 20:11

“Most of them compare a lot more closely with Rosie O’Donnell.”

Jabba the Hut…

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 13 Thumb down 3
Ryu April 27, 2012 at 21:00

Not true. At least half the men in the world are white knights. By Dragnet’s definition, every MRA is delusional because their views are not popular.

I can think of several million feminists and men who would “rally to humiliate PUAs and MRAs, affirm their love for the pedistalization of women.” It’s about popularity, Dragon. If you want popularity, sit down, turn on the TV, and watch some basketball and “Girls.”

It’s quality of quantity. Always. An MRA ought to understand this easily.

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 28 Thumb down 15
Jim April 27, 2012 at 21:17

I would LOVE to see some more photos of the people of Europe like you posted before!!!!!!!

I’m thin. I eat very healthy food and I exercise. So from my perspective there are a lot of people that are overweight.

But also I have to say that as far as women go I don’t think a lot of them like thin guys…..I think it makes them feel fat.

So if you are an overweight guy I don’t think that would be a big issue as far as getting girls goes.

I live in the U.S. and to me I would say 8 out of ten women or maybe more over the age of 25 are overweight.

If you are looking for a female that is maybe 5-4 to 5-11 and weighs under 135….well I would say past age 25 it’s maybe a 1 in 10 shot if that.

I looked through the walmart site and I picked out a few women that to ME look average weight…what you could expect to see where I live at least. And yes I know there are LOADS of ones heavier.

For people outside of the U.S. this is what IMO an average woman between the ages of maybe 25-60 looks like here.

Both women on #234

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/top-rated/page/78/

#318

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/top-rated/page/106/

#325

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/top-rated/page/109/

Lady in blue #360

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/top-rated/page/120/

#389…the bounty hunter

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/top-rated/page/130/

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1
Andrew S. April 27, 2012 at 21:38

Girls with curves are nice. What happens to most of these curvy american girls is that they look good for a while, but once they they hit their mid/late 20′s they let themselves go. Of course there is no reason for them to get in shape or try and control their weight as the dating scene in America is so shitty for men that they can get pretty much as fat as they want and will still be able to find a man.

Plenty of men are lining up to date former curvy gals who have let themselves go.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 12 Thumb down 1
Jim April 27, 2012 at 21:43

I would LOVE to see some more photos of the people of Europe like you posted before!!!!!!!

I’m thin. I eat very healthy food and I exercise. So from my perspective there are a lot of people that are overweight.

But also I have to say that as far as women go I don’t think a lot of them like thin guys…..I think it makes them feel fat.

So if you are an overweight guy I don’t think that would be a big issue as far as getting girls goes.

I live in the U.S. and to me I would say 8 out of ten women or maybe more over the age of 25 are overweight.

If you are looking for a female that is maybe 5-4 to 5-11 and weighs under 135….well I would say past age 25 it’s maybe a 1 in 10 shot if that.

I looked through the walmart site and I picked out a few women that to ME look average weight…what you could expect to see where I live at least. And yes I know there are LOADS of ones heavier.

For people outside of the U.S. this is what IMO an average woman between the ages of maybe 25-60 looks like here.

Both women on #234

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/top-rated/page/78/

#318

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/top-rated/page/106/

#325

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/top-rated/page/109/

Lady in blue #360

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/top-rated/page/120/

#389…the bounty hunter

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/top-rated/page/130/

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0
Andrew S. April 27, 2012 at 21:48

I always had a thing for cute heavy girls. Being in the midwest they are a dime a dozen. But since there aren’t a lot of attractive in shape or thin women in this part of the country, and most of the decent looking women have some meat on there bones, well, it was hard to stomach how women who pretty much anywhere else in the world would have been ignored acted like such perfect bitches.

I’m not angry about it anymore, as it was all just about supply and demand, but for a long time it was hard to understand and could drive a guy crazy.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 2
American April 27, 2012 at 22:52

Many young mothers are feeding their children cookies, cakes, and doughnuts because they themselves are fat asses, and they want to make themselves feel better if their children are also as fat as they are.
The truth is being censored by the Gender-Raunch controlled media machine!!

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 15 Thumb down 21
Notbuyingit April 27, 2012 at 23:03

@W.F.price

Aha that explains way we see so many Cows on the streets, oh & by the way price one of these feminist extra large women asked me to give you a message bud, she said & I quote: MOOOOOOH. :) :)

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 2
Notbuyingit April 27, 2012 at 23:08

She might had been a huffer by the way they all fat, with children or not :) :)

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1
Anon April 27, 2012 at 23:24

dragnet,

You’re even more delusional than normal, apparently.

Remember, Ryu is the person who says he admires Stalin for keeping colored people out.

Remember that Stalin killed more white people than anyone else ever, and inflicted a holocaust onto Ukraine (a place that many men consider to have among the world’s prettiest women). Again, a white nationalist who admires the man who killed more whites than anyone else.

Sometimes, I think Ryu is actually a shill to make WNs look really bad. If so, well played, sir.

Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 17 Thumb down 7
W.F. Price April 28, 2012 at 01:08

American blacks definitely have a higher tolerance for heft than whites. But for us that means Beyonce or Serena Williams rather than Mo’Nique or Star from The View.

-Dragnet

Like the whites, the black people I’ve seen in Europe have been much thinner than American blacks. Of course, there are hardly any in Riga (I’ve seen two), but there were plenty in Amsterdam, and they were lean. I think UK blacks are thinner than Americans, too. Americans of all colors are just huge.

Fubsy April 28, 2012 at 01:16

Sofia Vergara is curvy
Oprah Winfrey is FAT…
I remember years ago a local radio host remarks about watching a fat policewoman (in Philadelphia, formerly the “fattest city” in America) getting into her car. He said it looked like the docking of the Queen Mary, lol!

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 1
Zorro April 28, 2012 at 05:40

Shock: Marylin Monroe was, in fact, petite.

Do your research.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0
woggy April 28, 2012 at 05:43

‘Feminists blather on and on about how women should be “comfortable” with their bodies, but the truth is that many American women would be viewed as abominations in most of the world. Curvy women should have every right to feel sexy and proud of their physiques, but without a waist women are not actually curvy, but rather round. ‘

Ever see the “Go Red for Women” logo?
For those who have not, it is simply a red dress silhouette of an hourglass, attractive feminine shape; it’s not the silhouette of the typical woman who has heart problems. Men wouldn’t drop five bucks to get a pin shaped like a tree stump in a red dress; now would they?

So yes, ladies, you can encourage the empowerment that accompanies ill health, just be smart enough to point to real attractiveness when you’re panhandling for a womens’ charity.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 5
woggy April 28, 2012 at 05:52

“Feminists blather on and on about how women should be “comfortable” with their bodies, but the truth is that many American women would be viewed as abominations in most of the world. Curvy women should have every right to feel sexy and proud of their physiques, but without a waist women are not actually curvy, but rather round.”

Have you ever seen the logo for “Go Red for Women”? For those who have not, it features a red dress silhouette of an attractive feminine shape, rather than the “empowered” body shape of the typical woman afflicted with heart disease.
After all, men aren’t likely to drop five bucks for a pin with the likeness of a tree stump in a red dress; are they?

So women can be “empowered” to eat themselves to the point of ill health; they just need to be smart enough to package it in an attractive, hourglass shape when panhandling for a womens’ charity.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 5
deti April 28, 2012 at 08:02

Curvy:

Marilyn Monroe
Rita hayworth
Jane Russell
Christina Hendricks
Sofia Vergara

Fat:
Rosie O’Donnell
Oprah Winfrey
Camryn Manheim
Conchata Ferrell
Dawn French

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 16 Thumb down 3
Manlyman April 28, 2012 at 08:03

@ Diane.

Maybe if you commented on the topic instead of baiting you might get an answer.

Now shut up and make me a sandwich.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 15 Thumb down 4
American April 28, 2012 at 08:24

The protocol perversions and semantics games that American law enforcement are currently engaged in that serve to manufacture Empowerment rhetoric for Gender-Raunch, is not only perverse, but is un-constitutional.
Truth needs to be returned as a fundamental principle in law enforcement. The pork bloating that is funding all the lies / perversions/ and manufactured statistics currently embraced by American law enforcement needs to be removed.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 11
Geography Bee Finalist himself April 28, 2012 at 09:02

BBW= Bloated Beached Whale

As for disgust with obesity in females, even in Africa there is evidence that Africans find it sufficiently disgusting that Agbani Darego of Nigeria did not win the Miss World 2001 Pageant with a weight of 181.41 kg or 400 lbs. at 5’11.5″ or 1.8161 m. She was probably about half that weight or less at the time.

Beginning with London 2012, there will be women competing in all five Summer Olympic sports where there is a requirement to remain within a certain weight class (boxing, judo, taekwondo, weightlifting and wrestling) and I would be surprised if the women in all five sports thought that BBWs (Bloated Beached Whales) were setting a good example. Last I checked, gluttony was considered a sinful behavior. Competing in any of these five sports as long as clean urine samples are provided is not.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 7
woggy April 28, 2012 at 09:13

Manlyman said to Diane:

“Now shut up and make me a sandwich.”

Better be there ready to eat when she’s done making that sammich or she’ll eat it herself.

BTW guys, sorry for (what amounts to) the double post above. I forgot that comments might be in moderation in the aftermath of the hack.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 4
Matt Strictland April 28, 2012 at 10:44

On topic, curvy as in “looks like a lady with natural child bearing hips and more than ample breasts” like Christina Henderson can be sexy.

Fat women? Never as much. I’ve seen and hung out with (no dated zero chemistry) a lady who was several hundred lbs over weight . Its not just gross but sad as had she been within normal realms , she’d have been a fox . Its a waste.

The thing is though its hard to stay healthy in this society for a lot of people. It requires real effort and with a poison food supply, lack of exercise and all the adds, most people who follow more than run themselves are vulnerable.

This kind of ties into what Ryu was saying. While I enjoy Ryu’s commentaries but his “power is truth” “might makes right” “vanguard 2.0″ politics rankles at times. And admiring Stalin? Ah hell no. That guys was actually worse than Hitler if thats possible.

Humans are social animals for the most part and to a greater or lesser degree popularity is often power. People want to be liked by people they care about and live well and for most people going all Anders Brehvik is not the path to get there. If society was like that with modern arms, I doubt we’d live long enough to breed.

Also an awful lot of my countrymen don’t get the horrifying cost Europe paid for both world wars. I can’t blame them for wanting to avoid another fight like that and live well even if it leaves them do foolish things like extend communitarian values to people they shouldn’t and have fewer kids than might be best.

As for my own country, we aren’t yet nearly as ferocious as Ryu thinks. I haven’t seen any banker or CEO skins on the walls or bags of heads being passed out to kids, We are pretty violent for a rich country with social democratic leanings but we aren’t (minus Blacks and Hispanics) much more violent than Europe.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 1
freebird April 28, 2012 at 11:08

Law enforcement loves to play the female victimology angle as it allows more leeway to project unjust power.

Not only that,but the Federal dollars and the military training comes rolling in,everyone except another cop (or female) must be a criminal.

The ex-parte laws are some of the most abused,un-constitutional laws ever written.

I am very pleased to find more guys in the manosphere using the term “Police State.”

We need to recognize this encroachment and seek to recind it,and pursue true equity/equality under the law for all,along with the non lost ability to seek redress for grievances committed by VAWA trained prosecutors and judges.

As it stand there is no redress against these injustices.

The founding fathers would be fighting mad!

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0
bob April 28, 2012 at 12:21

In the days when women were thin, curves referred to breasts, hips, and buttocks which flared out from the waist. As is so often the case, the lefties and nutcases have redefined a word to match their ideology or physical condition.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 10 Thumb down 1
Lavazza April 28, 2012 at 12:45

Double posting. Fits better here.

Bulgaria (8) has the lowest rate of obese and/or overweight young women (18-24) and Italy (21) wins in the 25-44 category.

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php?title=File:Overweight_%2B_obesity_-_women,_by_age.png&filetimestamp=20111123162830

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0
MaMu1977 April 28, 2012 at 12:59

It’s all about the proportions.
My standard for dating is this:(chest+hip)-waist>40 inches.
Eg. Little Lana has a 34″ chest, a 26″ waist and 34″ hips. 34+34=68, 68-26=42, which is *Quagmire voice* “Awwwright!”
Big and Beautiful Wendy has a 42″ chest, a 30″ waist and 42″ hips with thick thighs. 42+42=84, 84-30=54, “Awwwright!”
Average German woman (rural farmgirl size) was 38″ chest, 26 to 28″ waist, 33 to 38″ hips. 38+38=76, 76-28=48, “Awwwright!”
And yes, they’re still overweight by BMI, but the hourglass is in full effect.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0
crella April 28, 2012 at 14:20

‘As is so often the case, the lefties and nutcases have redefined a word to match their ideology or physical condition.’

‘Curves’ sounds so much better than ‘rolls’…

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1
Eric April 28, 2012 at 17:05

Crella:

That’s another example of feminist insanity and illogic. On the one hand, they go around mooing about how ‘men shouldn’t care about their looks’ and ‘feeling comfortable in their own bodies’—then, instead of being ‘fat and proud’, they change it to ‘curvy’ and ‘big and beautiful’ because it sounds sexier!

If this discussion keeps up, I’m going to go to Europe, even if I have to swim there! LOL

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 1
ecnayonnA April 28, 2012 at 19:59

i dont like the BMI since it doesnt take into account muscle mass or anything. i am 6″3′ with a waist of 41 inches and i weigh 253 lbs yet the BMI says i am obese at 31 on its scale. i prefer the old body fat pinch test, but sadly after a point it cant work any more.

as for fat women? well most would be that way due to lack of exercise and poor diet, then they like to try to counter that by saying “big women are beautiful”. well the curvy ones are, but when they are 5 foot 5 and pushing 198 lbs then they really have dodged the curvy aspect and jumping into the fat bandwagon.

as for porn and the BBW? gah. i would hesitate to call most of those women fat. fat women can be attractive still, morbidly obese women just look horrible.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1
Andie April 29, 2012 at 10:16

I’m a fit, attractive woman and it’s not “genetics” – it’s discipline. I get exercise every day and I am careful about what I eat.

This may sound a little weird, but I consider my body to be something I bring to my relationship with my husband. It’s not as if I think he owns me or has some sort of right over me, but he married me at a certain size and it’s important to me that even though I am now in my forties and have had three children, I still fit in my wedding dress. My husband would still like me as a person if I were fat, but he wouldn’t find me as physically desirable.

My best friend is from Serbia and she feels the same way. We work at being pretty for our guys, not because we “owe” it to them, but because we love them!!!

That’s not a conversation you can even have with a North American woman. The idea of fitting into the jeans you wore on your first date as something nice you do for your husband completely baffles them. And earns those of us who CAN still wear those jeans nothing but contempt.

I guess I’m saying it’s not just lifestyle that is different. It’s the idea that as women, we really care about remaining attractive and desirable to our partners. North American women just don’t seem to give a fuck and try to make those of us who DO feel like shit.

I think Europeans still have the idea that it’s okay for a woman to please a man. And it’s okay for a man to please a woman! That comes across as radical here. You’re only supposed to please yourself and fuck everyone else. Kinda sad.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 25 Thumb down 7
Eric April 29, 2012 at 12:13

Andie:
It is sad but true.

‘….not because we owe it to them, but because we love them.’

I think that most American women are so deeply narcissistic and egocentric that they are incapable of loving anyone but themselves. They even conceive of a relationship like you just described.

‘My best friend is from Serbia and she agrees with me.’

I have also noticed that American women typically shun foreign women as friends and think of them as inferiors. I think they feel threatened by the obviously higher quality and attractiveness to males these women have. American women, for some reason, think they need to ‘re-educate’ men rather than do anything about their own attitudes.

BTW, when I first started dating foreign women, one of the first was a Serbian. Thinking of that makes me TWICE as eager to go to Europe now!

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 12 Thumb down 3
Avenger April 29, 2012 at 15:01

‘I’m a fit, attractive woman and it’s not “genetics” – it’s discipline. I get exercise every day and I am careful about what I eat. ‘

Stay away from females who are not genetically slim or who have to diet to stay the correct weight. They can blow up at any time as many men have learned.

And btw, no one is the same size at 40 as they were at 20 even if they weigh the same at 20 and 40. Your bones are simply more developed and larger. A man who wore a neck size 15″ at 20 will wear a 16″ at 40 even if he’s the same weight. It’s not fat but just larger bones in the neck.Anyone who claims to be the same size is wearing vanity sized clothes that have been around for the past 10 years., figure a 2-3″ difference.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 11 Thumb down 3
Caitlin April 29, 2012 at 18:03

I wish this could be plastered everywhere in America.

Many feminists I’ve seen are usually overweight and look very sloppy. I understand that it’s not easy to lose weight but you can still dress decent and groom yourself. They rant and rave over models or any one under the average size of 16.

I eat right and exercise almost every day, so that way I don’t become like that. May not be a super model but I won’t look like a hippo in a bikini either.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 6
Binxton April 30, 2012 at 01:17

American women lack self-discipline and modesty. Their intelligence is such that they do not understand the virtue of beauty, and its importance to Man and society.

Yet another reason why American women need to be controlled and watched over like children.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 12 Thumb down 6
Attila April 30, 2012 at 16:13

On the way home today – there were FIVE huge middle-aged women sitting in the front part of the bus. One kept coughing, another heafer kept giving a dirty look to the first heafer every time she coughed- while two BBWs yakked on their cellphones. A third BBW was sitting next to me — one cheek on whatever space was left (seats pretty small)- the other cheek hanging in mid-air! At least I didn’t get any staring at my book cover (it was a book on Islamic funeral customs).

Just another day in an express bus going to an upper-middle-class ghetto in AMERIKWA.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 2
anexpat April 30, 2012 at 19:26

You’re only supposed to please yourself and fuck everyone else. Kinda sad.

After years trying to understand American culture, I think this is the best summary I have found so far.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 2
Attila April 30, 2012 at 19:36

Me me me — that’s AmeriKwa for you—where the “small self” and its desires is the only thing that matters.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1
Not an MRA May 1, 2012 at 07:14

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 19
Eric May 1, 2012 at 13:07

Not an MRA:

“I would however side with them (the Feminists) over you because time and again you prove how hateful you are”

Right…and the Amerobitches whom you pedestalize don’t hate men, huh? LOL.
If you’d read what’s being said here more closely: we’re talking about rejecting women who don’t care about either their appearance, or about men, and encouraging men to pursue women who do. If fat, mean-spirited American women can’t measure up to what real men want, that’s their problem—but it’s hardly ‘hate’ for men to look for a more favorable object of love.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0
woggy May 1, 2012 at 16:12

@Not an MRA:

“What about all the Fat Men, are they obese because of some inner need to scorn women? How is America’s fatness a feminist issue by the way?”

I think fat men, skinny men, quiet men and loudmouth men are routinely ridiculed and marginalized; or didn’t you notice?

Women are encouraged to use their sexuality to get whatever they want while at the same time being encouraged to get as fat as they want once they get what they want.
In the end, after all, society will be cajoled into spending money and shedding tears when Miss All-U- Can Eat finally realizes she’s got a fair amount of living yet to do – more stuff she wants – and the men have exercised one of the few freedoms they have left and simply ignored her or expressed revulsion at her wideness.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 4
Eximio May 3, 2012 at 21:04

This is yet another reason to shop for women outside the US!

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0
warriorchick May 3, 2012 at 23:37

Lol its funny how you say “most women”. I like how you talk about women being obese as if there are no obese men in America lol. For as many obese women there are in America there are as many men if not more. Not only that but how many men out there are as physycally fit as we women would like a man to be. Maybe if American men want a more attractive body type in women they should also become a more attractive body type because lets face it man boobs are not cute. Either are protruding bones lol

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 8
Eric May 4, 2012 at 21:31

Warriorchick:
Then what are you worried about? There are plenty of fat guys for you fat girls. Don’t blame guys who aren’t fat for looking elsewhere.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0
Anonylady May 4, 2012 at 22:39

At least if you’re not attracted to a fat woman, you can move on quickly because it’s really easy to see that at face value. Human beings with poisonous personalities, on the other hand, can be notoriously difficult to weed out.

In this case, I have to say, can’t we live and let live? I think that guys with nasty greasy ponytails are unattractive but that doesn’t mean I want to ban them from public or deny them basic common courtesy.

This post is seriously skirting the “I don’t want to have to see people I don’t like in public” territory, in which one person makes designations for who should and should not be “allowed” to exist within their line of sight. I was unaware that it was the unalienable right of every American male to only have sexy ladies within viewing range or else the world will end….or something. Typical entitled-American perspective- it also bugs me to no end that this very same perspective is incredibly hypocritical because the people who tend to say these things aren’t perfect looking themselves.

How about this- you’re not forced to fuck, date, marry, or buy drinks for anyone you find unattractive, and neither am I? In fact, how about instead of whining that old ladies and fat ladies and ladies you generally find fugly exist in this world, you go out there, find someone you are attracted to, and make your feelings known and see how it goes? The rest of us imperfect folks will be over here, chilling out and respecting your right NOT to be an insufferable whiny jerk about your lack of interest in boning us.

In short, if you don’t want to fuck someone, DON’T FUCK THEM, but also don’t come across as a fucking douchebag by giving them a bullet-point explanation about why they’re an unfuckable monster.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 6
Anonylady May 4, 2012 at 22:51

Also, for what it’s worth, I love my hunky-chunky, bit of manboob, bit of gut guy. I love how interesting his body is, how fun it is to run my hands over his skin. Men of all sizes, shapes and appearance factors are sexy, but my guy is the absolute best for me. He’s got that je ne se quois that I just adore- from his natural pheremonal scent to his permanently warm hands to his knack for humorous facial expressions when explaining various situations that have happened to him, to the simple way that hearing his voice puts me at ease.

There is no one way to be a woman. There is no one way to be a man. There is someone out there who will love you for who you are, toxic hypermasculinity, PUA BS and misogyny not required.

And yes, you can be fat and still enjoy a wonderful relationship.

The only thing I keep hearing in all of this is fear- fear of not being good enough, of losing status and power and being at the mercy of someone else, of being made into less of a human being, of humiliation, of an all-encompassing deeply rooted anger because you’re forced to be someone you’re not because GODDAMN IT you did all the right dance moves and said all the right lines but YOU STILL DID NOT GET THE PRIZE.

The prize is an illusion. True satisfaction and happiness cannot be created from a formula or, indeed, from any stereotypical moray of how one should become to “win” at life.

Figure out what sustains you, what fills you with a deep satisfaction in your life. Zero sum games and adherence to cardboard cutout masculine tropes do nothing but destroy the person you truly are.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 4
woggy May 5, 2012 at 05:00

@Anonylady:

I’ll stick my neck out here and just say that while I may not agree with the way you’ve expressed yourself here, I (think I) agree with your sentiments.

However, we cannot ignore the FACT that feminists have been talking out of both sides of their mouths where female body issues are concerned.
On the one hand, they seek to empower the masses of women by encouraging an unhealthy attitude against the preservation/restoration of one’s physique – you know, a slimmer physique and the improved well being that goes with it.

On the other hand, they encourage women blessed with hourglass figures to be as nasty and manipulative as their sexiness will allow.

At the same time, they encourage ALL women to use whatever sexual capital they possess to use it for the purpose of rubbing men’s noses in the dirt. Last year’s SlutWalk demonstrations are an example of this on a massive, very public scale.

When one wanders to other cultures and sees women not (yet) infected with this horrible attitude, AND maintaining physiques that would allow them to be nasty and manipulative in the North America/the UK?Australia, it’s noteworthy.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0
Anonylady May 5, 2012 at 12:55

@woggy- slimmer is not always healthier. Regular exercise, regardless of weight loss can build muscle, shrink fat, but leave a person a similar weight (as muscle weight more than fat). We should focus more on measurements and weight distribution than pounds.

For example, I have really weird body proportions. I work out every day (cardio, weight training, etc). I weigh a bit over 200 lbs, but my waist is about 10-15 inches smaller than around my bust (I have natural K-M cup breasts on a smallish frame). My hips have been pushed out wider than they were as a teenager because I have had one child with my spouse, but they still stick out less than my bust. Every woman and man has a different frame- and while there are people who are big blobs, they really only make up the minority (but they are VERY visible because of their crazy hugeness). And as I’ve said before, it’s not a commentary on YOU when someone is unattractive to you. It is silly to think that out there, there are millions of people who wake up and look in the movie with an evil look in their eyes and go “MUAHAHAHAHA, I’m going to be HORRIFICALLY UNATTRACTIVE to woggy! WAHAHAHAHA! He will be SO miserable when he has to LOOK AT ME.” I actually say, they’re doing you a favor. You don’t have to worry about that person “letting themselves go” later on in life, you don’t have to worry about them pretending to be hot because they are obviously not. Which means you can waste less energy on those people.

And let’s face it, personal responsibility is key. Some feminists (they’re not monolithic, nor are masculinists) can “encourage” women to behave badly as much as they want, but it is THAT INDIVIDUAL WOMAN who must decide how she should behave. I mean, think about it- are you honestly saying that ALL women are acting badly because someone told them that they COULD? I literally spent YEARS petrified to ask a guy out because I didn’t want to be seen as one of those “evil pushy bitches.” It never served me well. Apparently, asking guys out that I actually LIKE in a respectful manner actually CAN work, even if it means putting myself at risk for rejection. And as far as women behaving badly, there’s a simple solution for that- DO NOT DATE THEM. Sure, you’ll fuck less people, but the current “flirt/fuck/dump” treatment of women who are stereotypically attractive but have poisonous horrible personalities teaches them that they are still desired and can therefore use that to their advantage with certain guys. So how about this- REFUSE TO INITIATE OR CONTINUE ANY SEXUAL OR FLIRTY CONTACT WITH PEOPLE WHO ACT LIKE THIS.

IT is VERY easy to teach people when behavior is not acceptable- to constantly and consistently shun that behavior. But it has to be done by EVERYONE, and the second someone gives that person a sense of inflated ego, you’re back to square one.

So how about this- become more picky- only go for people who behave and appear the way that is attractive to YOU? I would guess that a lot of the “bitchy” and “horrible” and “entitled” behaviors are largely due NOT to feminists- they are more likely due to dominant social morays about entitlement and wealth (I grew up in the 90′s- most of the horrible “princess” behavior has nothing to do with feminism- it has to do with kids who grew up from day 1 being given everything they ever wanted from their parents and who still live at home on their parents dime. These are leeches- people who may look like adults but still act like petulant 5 year olds- and surprise, surprise, a lot of them are male too. This is not just an epidemic of hot women with poor personalities. It’s an epidemic of young people who don’t know the value of hard work, sacrifice, and good character (and surprise, surprise, a lot of these people aren’t physically attractive either).

The main reason why people in other countries look more attractive to many of you is because:

A) they did not grow up with that entitlement as no other first, second, or third world countries generally have the proliferation of wealth and obsession with “keeping up with the Joneses” as Americans. Unless you meet very rich people in those countries, this sort of behavior is generally not very common.

B) most other countries have multiple cultural and language barriers that you will not understand, so many “entitled” behaviors will go right over your head. My suggestion is that if you think that people are so much better overseas, you should go live in the culture, absorb the language, and understand the cultural nuances. A lot of what is considered submissive or acquiescing in American culture is exactly the opposite in other cultures.

There *are* good, decent people out there, but there are also a lot of damaged, overly-entitled, manipulative and abusive people. Unfortunately, you can’t just spot them at a glance, and they fall into all racial groups, sexes, sexualities and body types. There’s also the problem of WHERE you look for potential partners. Are you looking to get casual sex (which I have always found a fruitless prospect because the idea of having that sort of sex seems even less fun than using sex toys because of the dangers of STDs), or are you looking for a person who is compatible with you specifically? It’s even worse if you look in clubs or other places where horrible jerks tend to hang out. I met my husband in a junior college sports class- and he is awesome.

I have learned long ago that a good number of people are shitty and horrible. But that doesn’t mean that I should waste my precious time raging on about it. There are specific things that I have control of in my own life, and those are:

1) How I allow people to treat me.
2) Who I allow to get close to me in my life on a regular basis.
3) How I treat others.
4) My motivations and goals for interactions with others.

I think that all rational, intelligent people should do their best to set boundaries and to have a clear idea of those four things because they are incredibly empowering (and no, I don’t mean it in that shitty 90′s “you’re BETTER than everyone else” kind of way). Empowerment is power from within- it is true power that shapes your decisions, that drives away insecurity, that helps you direct your own path.

Remember, no one out there owes you happiness, and no one out there deserves to make you feel like shit. It is up to you to make sure that no one decides your happiness but you. Every moment you waste on lamenting that every woman in the universe sucks is a moment of your life that you could be enjoying doing something that fulfills you.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 2
Eric May 5, 2012 at 13:26

Anonlady:
I tend to agree with what you’re saying about ‘entitlement mentalities’ and narcicissism; it’s unfortunately a characteristic of Americans in general these days.

But what you’re missing is that a lot of us here are fed up with that, too. I like foreign women, because they don’t have that type of mentality. I also don’t like thuggish American males who think that sex is some entitlement—but I also criticise American women for their proviclivity for enabling such males.

‘Are you saying that ALL women act badly because someone has told them that they could?’

This is where I disagree. Feminist culture is so pervasive here that women are steeped in it—including a lot of ‘socially conservative’ women who deny that they’re feminists.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0
woggy May 5, 2012 at 14:55

Anonylady:

I’ll join Eric in simply saying there was alot I liked about that last post, and there’s something I’d like to point out if I might.

Quoting one paragraph of yours:

“And let’s face it, personal responsibility is key. Some feminists (they’re not monolithic, nor are masculinists) can “encourage” women to behave badly as much as they want, but it is THAT INDIVIDUAL WOMAN who must decide how she should behave. I mean, think about it- are you honestly saying that ALL women are acting badly because someone told them that they COULD? I literally spent YEARS petrified to ask a guy out because I didn’t want to be seen as one of those “evil pushy bitches.” It never served me well. Apparently, asking guys out that I actually LIKE in a respectful manner actually CAN work, even if it means putting myself at risk for rejection. And as far as women behaving badly, there’s a simple solution for that- DO NOT DATE THEM. Sure, you’ll fuck less people, but the current “flirt/fuck/dump” treatment of women who are stereotypically attractive but have poisonous horrible personalities teaches them that they are still desired and can therefore use that to their advantage with certain guys. So how about this- REFUSE TO INITIATE OR CONTINUE ANY SEXUAL OR FLIRTY CONTACT WITH PEOPLE WHO ACT LIKE THIS. ”

Feminists (or the bulk of those in any “ism”) are not monolithic, but they (you too?) have allowed those who’ll encourage bad behavior and abuse of gained privilege to speak for them, and far more importantly, they are the ones who’ve been molding public policy and societal attitudes for the last two generations.
They wield this power because they think (and so far they’ve been right) that large groups of individual (women) will never de-throne them; they’ll never shout them down.

I’ll re-iterate the part that really rung a bell:
“REFUSE TO INITIATE OR CONTINUE ANY SEXUAL OR FLIRTY CONTACT WITH PEOPLE WHO ACT LIKE THIS. ”

That simple initiative, as far as I see it, is the driving force behind MGTOW or marrying foreign.
It’s one of – I’d say – four or five central themes on The Spearhead.
Trouble is, getting that word out is often called hateful or misogynistic, as if feminism is shaken to its core when bad behavior is dragged into the light of day for exposure.
Very telling.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0
Anonylady May 5, 2012 at 18:00

@woggy & Eric- If feminism in general actually thinks that dating assholes of any gender or sex should be encouraged or accepted, it’s wrong as hell. I’ve often read feminist articles who say that no man is entitled to date a woman if she doesn’t want to date him, so ignoring it when it’s the other way around is just stupid.

If a woman or a man is acting like an entitled dolt, then perhaps we as a culture ought to basically deny that person any and all access to affection or sexual acceptance unless they alter that behavior. I mean, seriously, take a look at any culture with hugely internal shame (such as the incident in Korea where a girl was massively shamed for allowing her dog to shit on the subway):

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dog%20poop%20girl

While this is extreme in how it manifested, it does show that in other cultures, there is a good amount of “what will others think” that goes into interacting with other people- and the reaction for not adhering to basic rules of conduct is very swift and unpleasant.

This is obviously not the only way to encourage good citizenship, but it is a good way to make examples of egregious violators of common courtesy as well as those who are outright assholes and do not respect the space and rights of others (of either gender).

I’m not sure what else I can say, but this is bigger than just women being stupid jerks. It’s a symptom of larger issues in society that are destroying everyone. It doesn’t mean we need to go back to a stupid stinted backwards sense of gender roles to fix things. But it certainly does mean that we need to figure out some way for people to live in society without having to put up with so much bullshit.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0
woggy May 6, 2012 at 05:21

“It doesn’t mean we need to go back to a stupid stinted backwards sense of gender roles to fix things.”

I’m all for that. It was those attitudes that had men drowning while women paddled away in half empty lifeboats.
It was the same attitudes that had British women handing British men white feathers during WWI, if the woman judged the man (not in military dress) was of military eligibility.
It was a classic and colossal shaming tactic, which alluded to a feigned sexual attraction (on the part of the woman) that would be withdrawn should he not enlist.
It is said that the “White Feather Campaign” did more to damage the trust between men and women than it did to win the war.

Sadly, similar things carry on to this day, though not as conspicuous.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0
Richard October 9, 2013 at 12:48

I’ve Been Saying This For Years! American Women Are Spoiled Self Absorbed Arrogant Foul Mouth Feminist Loving Anti Male Broads. (The ‘Secret’ Majority) The Supreme Leeches And Cleaners Of The Hardworking American Male’s Money. As Long As You Entertain Them..$$..They Are Loving.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

Leave a Comment

Previous post:

Next post: