Land of the Lean

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by W.F. Price on April 25, 2012

It’s been a very long time since I’ve been to continental Europe — over 20 years. And, although many things remain the same, one thing is noticeably different: me.

I lived in France for most of a year when I was a boy, and although I stood out a little as a somewhat tall, blond (at the time) boy in a country of mostly darker, smaller people, I didn’t look obviously American. Actually, back in the 1980s, Americans and Europeans didn’t differ as much from each other as they do now. If you ignored the language and culture and dressed an American up as a European he or she wouldn’t stand out too much. Today, however, there is one thing that really sets Americans apart. That is our size. Your typical American is an order of magnitude larger than your typical European. Not taller (at least not in Northern Europe), but BIGGER. People I saw walking around Amsterdam were tall and lean — very lean by American standards. Heavy people are as much of a minority in continental Europe as they are in Asia, which leaves me feeling, well… kinda like a fatass.

Back home, at 6’1″ and 210 lbs. with a fairly large frame, I don’t feel all that big. I’ll sometimes think I ought to lose ten pounds or so, but there’s little pressure, as I look around and see people much fatter than I am all over the place. However, after a few days walking around in a couple cities in Europe, I feel like ten pounds would be entirely insufficient. In fact, twenty would be more like it, and maybe even more.

It would be hard to overemphasize how much this affects the average level of attractiveness in America and Europe respectively. Although Dutch people seem to be naturally pretty good-looking, I somehow doubt they’d be all that attractive with an extra twenty pounds or more of lard. In the Baltic region, where I am currently staying, people are at least as thin as the Dutch, although perhaps not quite as tall. While there are certainly some beauties around town, the people don’t strike me as naturally more attractive than Americans, but they are so much thinner that it really isn’t any contest at all. And this is not only the women, but the men as well. I have seen precisely one obese person so far, and he was probably one of those people who really does have an endocrine problem. In the states, on the other hand, one sees enormities shuffling about in every public space.

Now that I think of it, I did see a couple other obese people here, but they don’t count, because they were an American couple!

I took a couple pictures of some random people on the street just to give examples of what’s normal here. First is a guy, and next a couple women. I deliberately chose to photograph ordinary-looking people so as to give readers an idea of the average schlub rather than feature standouts. Neither the man nor the women are particularly attractive, but nor are they an offense to the eyes.

Ordinary guy:

This guy is nothing special, and kind of scruffy by the area’s standards, but his slim physique is the norm. Young men are overwhelmingly slender, and many of them quite good looking. I chose this guy because he’s passable in his current state, but if he had a gut – as he probably would in the US – he’d be pretty unsavory.

Ordinary women:

The woman on the right is middle-aged and no beauty queen, but she’s got a trim, slender physique that suits her build. In the states, her equivalent couldn’t wear that coat and show as much leg without being an embarrassment. This woman is pretty much average for Northern Europe, believe it or not. In the states, she’d be downright skinny. The woman to the left is older, in her 50s, but still maintains a passable physique.

Something about the American lifestyle, starting around 1990, has really done a number on our people. We are, objectively speaking, a lot less attractive than we were a generation ago. If there’s any silver lining, it is that a lot of older American men do seem to have the discipline to stay in shape longer than men in other parts of the world. Back in Seattle, there are lots of gray-headed guys in great shape, cycling, jogging, etc. They aren’t the majority, but older guys in Europe do seem to let themselves go a bit more than in the states. Perhaps, however, this is because older men in Europe, surrounded as they are by attractive women, don’t feel as much pressure, whereas an older American guy really has to work at it to get the attention of the vanishingly few attractive women.

I’ll have more observations later, but in the meanwhile I’ll be out walking – not driving – around town, and eating reasonable portions of healthy food.

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Ryu April 25, 2012 at 04:55

Fess up! What are you doing in the Baltic states? Looking for a new wife?

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Tired Guy April 25, 2012 at 05:02

The funny thing I found when I went on a tour of Europe was the eastern-european women.

W “Are you single?”
M “Yes.”
W “Are you an alcoholic?”
M “No.”
W “Are you a wife beater?”
M “No.”
W “Marry Me. Please. Now!”

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Pirran April 25, 2012 at 05:03

France has been getting fatter fast (particularly the young) as the adopt an American diet. They still have a ways to go as they started out thin, though.

Generally, it’s the Anglo-sphere and Middle Europe (Germany, Austria, Belarus etc.) that are the leading lard-butts.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/07/worlds-fattest-countries-forbeslife-cx_ls_0208worldfat_2.html

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Rod April 25, 2012 at 05:27

Whenever I return home from a stay in the Far East, part of my reverse culture shock is seeing all of the adipose flesh on display here (that, along with the crusty manners of American service personnel). American girth is the butt of a lot of humor abroad. We’re too much in love with our sugar and grease.

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W.F. Price April 25, 2012 at 05:33

Fess up! What are you doing in the Baltic states? Looking for a new wife?

-Ryu

Nah, my gf is a journalist up here, so I’ve got a place to stay. Planned to go last year, but had to go back to court over my kids’ relocation.

Not sure I’d recommend wife-shopping here. The people are extraordinarily reserved, and there are some real problems between the sexes as well, although they are very different from our problems.

R April 25, 2012 at 05:48
J April 25, 2012 at 06:07

lol, only a GF? Hehehehehe, have fun bro. I lived there(mediteranean) for a while. Food was spectacular, and the women were a tad skinny for my tastes, but the people were warm, the drinks plentiful. However, I would not marry one, marriages are way overpriced(my big, fat, Greek wedding), and women brag about the approval of up to “SIX” divorces! Three from government, three from the church. Family courts are as bad, if not worse there! C ya around, have fun eating healthy for a change.

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nugganu April 25, 2012 at 06:12

Whenever I’m in Niagara Falls, I can always tell who are the yank tourists, they’re the big fat couples with fat kids and dreadful accents.

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beta_plus April 25, 2012 at 06:20

Americans, especially women, stopped cooking for themselves at about that time. This is the overwhelming driver of obesity in the United States. Many European countries, that have government healthcare, expensive driving, and a relative lack of junk food are starting to see serious spikes in their obesity rates despite not having the 3 primary blamed cuplrits for American obesity. Roosh was stunned by the obesity in Latvia, Iceland, and Denmark.

Our obesity is simply another symptom of the poisonous effects of feminism.

I don’t care if you cook for me since I’m one of the best cooks that I know, but if you consider it beneath you to cook for your children, I don’t want to marry you.

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Mikediver April 25, 2012 at 06:54

I travel in Asia because my wife’s family lives there (she is asian). Last time we went there I lost 5 pounds in two weeks without any attempt on my part to do so. We ate out most of the time as we were in a hotel when not with her family. The big difference was that we walked almost everywhere we went and the portion sizes were much smaller. A large soft drink would not even measure up to a kids size in the USA.

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Carnivore April 25, 2012 at 07:09

When my European relatives came over for their first visit in the late 80′s, they had fun sport counting the number of grossly obese Americans. I suspect if they came over now, they’d count the number of slim people – more of a challenge to find any.

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rgoltn April 25, 2012 at 07:11

Probably a high correlation between WalMarts and Super-sized grocery stores with isles of cheap, processed food and American Fatasses. I am sure you do not see them in France, Italy etc. People shop at the Butcher, Grocery Shop, Cheese Store etc. for fresh food every day.

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Lara April 25, 2012 at 07:20

I am really starting to be ashamed of being an American. Our country is turing into a worldwide joke.

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Geography Bee Finalist himself April 25, 2012 at 07:24

@ Lara

Then leave America. Nobody wants you here anyway.

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W.F. Price April 25, 2012 at 07:28

The man in the second picture is really cute. He looks better than 95% of the American men I see. It doesn’t apply to me anymore, but I wonder if they like American women.

-Lara

It’s a good question, Lara. Actually, I think they’d be open to an American girlfriend — if American girls weren’t so enormous.

I’ll try to interview some locals this evening to get their opinions on these matters.

Matt April 25, 2012 at 07:29

I am 5’4 but of German and Croation stock, unfortunatly i didnt get the tall german part . When I was in the army, I couldnt keep my weight under 150 but I was not fat. having been out for 25 years, I am about 180-190 lbs. I am 50.

Please do not judge me too harshly. I dress appropately for my weight, I do get excercise and work out. but yes, I am a product of my eating habits, sugar and starches, However, as a previous caller alluded to, my wife is asian, and when I spent over a month in the Philippines, I lost almost 30 lbs.

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HeligKo April 25, 2012 at 07:56

I have started buying no more food than I need for the next couple of days. Guess what, I have lost weight. There aren’t ton’s of snackable(sic) parts of meals to come to grab and eat when I don’t need to. I have cheese, fruit, and salad around all the time, but no more than a couple of dinners. This was a lot like what I saw the summer I spent in Russia, and there were no fatties there. I did it because I was frustrated as my wife moved out with the amount of spoiled and stale food I was throwing out. I decided that there was more wasted money there, than I could imagine. Its a nice side effect to lose weight. Legit 3 inches off the waist, and 20 pounds gone. Now all that money I saved is having to buy new clothes. Nice problem to have.

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Anon April 25, 2012 at 08:26

I worked at Ford in Dearborn, MI for a number of years, which is where the company was founded. In building lobbies, they often have large copies of historical photographs for decoration. For example, you might see a dozen different pictures of an assembly line from the 1920′s.

I was waiting for a colleague one day, and was idly examining these pictures, when it suddenly hit me: there were no overweight people in these pictures. I mean NONE. And most of these pictures had 50 or more people in them (car-making used to be incredibly labor-intensive).

Quite a change in the last several generations.

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Big Un's April 25, 2012 at 08:29

I am tall with a huge frame and somewhat overweight, though not overboard. When I was in Germany, I saw all kinds of men who were my size or larger, though I was taller than most of them.

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HeligKo April 25, 2012 at 08:29

@beta_plus, I never attached that to feminism. Good catch. Without a doubt it is the less real cooking. Eating out and boxed dinners are fattening up the US. Its true that for no other reason than women aren’t in the home, even when they are stay at home moms, they aren’t at home most of the time taking care of the home. There are fewer home cooked meals. That is something I have tried to do when my kids are with me. I cook for them more, and I also fix dinner earlier. An evening snack is OK for active kids, but having time to digest a meal is important.

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Ethical April 25, 2012 at 08:41

The European cities I’ve been to seemed made like they were built before the age of the car. The streets tend to be smaller and narrower, making walking or even riding a moped a less bothersome activity than driving in many cases. More often than not neighborhoods have everything within walking distance. As a consequence people shop daily for bread and other staples in their own neighborhoods.

Most of America was built not only during the time of the auto but also during times when oil was ridiculously cheap. I don’t now if the statistic still applies but at least in the recent past most of the American population lived outside of cities. To stock up most people have to jump into the minivan and drive 40 minutes away to huge stores where they load up on groceries for a week.

The European lifestyle gets you walking and interacting with local businesses every day. The north american lifestyle only gets you exercise during the 35 minutes a day that you go to the gym.

But there’s a simple solution to the “fat” problem that takes no effort at all and actually saves money. It’s heavily increasing the variety and proportion of fresh vegetables and fruit and decreasing the proportion of meat and carbohydrates like rice, pasta, potatoes and others that need to be cooked.

Turns out that doing so decreases the calorie density of meals. A person can still eat till stuffed, even eat more meals in the day, but if the proportion of raw fruits and vegetables in the diet increases, the calories in the diet will go way down and over time make the person slimmer and healthier.

The even more bizarre thing is that by reducing the amount of meat in one’s diet, by foregoing any processed foods and cooking from whole ingredients, a grocery bill can be reduced to a fraction. Once during a “project” I was able to eat comfortably on $30.00 of food per month. I was going to write a book on the topic. I ate a more well rounded diet and had more energy than times when I spent $600.00 per month or more on food.

Mind you I worked as a cook before university, can cook anything from any ingredients, and have a passion for learning about diet and nutrition. As always knowledge and expertise can substitute for money. This brings up a point about cooking and other homemaking skills that used to be taught in “home economics” classes. Young women who foresee themselves having children one day need to consider the likelihood they’ll want to enjoy time at home with their new child. Feminism teaches girls to reject home making as “demeaning”, but if they’re at home with small children these home making skills truly benefit the health and financial well being of their families more than just about anything else they could learn. And a clean home, a home cooked meal, and a little sex makes your husband happy one VERY happy camper.

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keyster April 25, 2012 at 08:42

The other thing that sticks out about Americans in Europe is that they’re LOUD, with kind of a raucous/animated energy. It’s easy to see where the term “ugly American” comes from when you tour Europe and see them in action. For those that can’t get to Europe, just imagine Disney World in Orlando.

To best gauge the obsesity problem just go to any school. Half the children are fatties. It’s cable TV, video games, internet, snack foods and high fructose corn syrup – – and the parents are no better. “Working moms” bring home buckets of fried chicken and pizza because they’re “too tired to cook”.

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Georice81 April 25, 2012 at 08:43

It is interesting to see how many fast food commercials cater to the working moms. She comes home with a bucket of chicken and the kids love it not to mention her husband as well. She is a great Mom!!!!

I have had the opportunity to spend many weeks in Europe and yes the people are quite lean. I especially looked forward to spending 3 weeks in Rome at a time. I knew that I could pig out and still lose about 5-7 pounds in those 3 weeks. I was told that their wheat is different than ours and contains less glutten which is healthier. Also their plates contain more vegetables and the portions are less than here. When one combines that with walking everywhere rather than driving it is no surprise that weight loss would come rather easy. The exception was the gelato. I had to stay away from that.

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Lara April 25, 2012 at 08:48

Do most Europeans live in cities? It seemed like in France, it went from city to country rather quickly. I didn’t notice a lot of suburban sprawl. If it is more convenient to walk rather than drive, people will walk more.

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Towgunner April 25, 2012 at 08:49

The feminist utopia…obesity rates skyrocket in the US. I’ve said before that the claim that this is now a “women’s world”…well, unusually high obesity rates on top of all the other social ills wrought by the “empowered” womyn…if this is the way the world is today…it sucks and woman you can have it.

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Hf April 25, 2012 at 09:00

My experience was that Europeans also tend to commute on foot a lot more than Americans. Furthermore, they typically still abide by a continental sized breakfast, and havent taken to the bacon-and-eggs massive breakfast-the-most-important meal schtick.

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Thos April 25, 2012 at 09:40

I’m in my low 40s and trim, thank goodness (read Gary Taubes, people) and I’ve noticed that it’s a great big magic wand filtering out quite a lot dating wise, not that I’m any Casanova.

Thin professional women I’ve noticed, are really aware of the dating dynamic. They’re more desirable than their land whale peers and, at least those working in medicine, know that this is fragile. You’re one illness away from being on drugs that’ll bloat you as well as save you.

(On the other hand, thin women who don’t understand by middle age that health is fragile can merely be vain and entitled. A little humility goes a long way, people.)

There are more middle-aged women than men because men do the more dangerous jobs, engage in more risk-taking behaviours including dumb stunts (hey, we were young once) and other foolishness like alcoholism. This whittles down the number of available middle aged men.

The land whales who assume that the dating scripts they learned in adolescence apply when they’re undesirable sellers in a buyer’s market are in for a mighty shock.

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Norm April 25, 2012 at 09:53

Read the labels and avoid GMO and anything with MSG(sometimes disguised as yeast extract or hydrolized) and hydrogenated oils.They also do not put toxic fluoride in the water over there. They UK is quite overweight also.

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LordDabber April 25, 2012 at 09:55

My pal and I went to Michigan State University (MSU) in East Lansing, MI in the late 1980′s— and there were MANY attractive (and un-fat) women all over the place. He has a job there now — and he is stunned by the all college-aged “shoggoths” that inhabit our once sacred college. The only fit women are the extremely rare athletic ones — or the Asians.

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MRA April 25, 2012 at 10:09

When my school sister had a dozen of students from Europe traveling to USA due to the “Student exchange program” I notice exactly that.

There were two groups, first group came from Prague, the girls and boys are all very slim, educated and a moral standard very high, When I searched the girl’s Facebook who was staying here with my sister I was surprise to see pictures of girls around 16 and 19 dressing like ladies, I mean they were even wearing gloves, dresses not very short not even up on the knees and modest cleavages, compared to American standard for that age who wear the sluttiest way possible, and have at least 1 child at that age, searching the albums of these girls from Prague I couldn’t get any picture you typical get in Americans’s girls facebook, alcohol, smoking, duckface the typical “look at my ass picture” , it gives you the impulse to go oversea and get some lady far away from American.

The second group came from Amsterdam, the girls were more short dressing but like Prague there weren’t any fat.

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Anonymous age 70 April 25, 2012 at 10:59

I have had an article nearly written for some time on health issues. Health depends for most folks on dietary concepts. Poster above correctly suggested reading Taubes, but he is only one choice.

The reason I haven’t submitted the article is the stupid doctors with their insane low fat; high carb diet not only have destroyed the health of a nation. But, have also totally confused the population. If you ask 5 people you will get 10 diets, and none of them work for you.

So, it is almost a waste of time to tell the truth. That low carb, moderate to high fat, is the correct dietary approach for almost all people of European ancestry. Yes, Taubes; also New Atkins (old Atkins is too hard); Paleo; probably Omega; as long as it’s low carb, moderate fat and protein, with mineral and vitamin supplements as needed; your health completely changes.

Trying to tell people this is like Bible thumpers pushing their religion. A waste of time.

I am down from 220 to 175, no hunger; b.p. 110/69, at age 70, need no stinkin’ Viagra. Son also down from 220 in med school to 160, has run 7 miles in UAE at 125 degrees. Cousin here in Mexico cured of unstable angina, 3 or 4 attacks a day, IN 72 HOURS. Doctor friend who in November was suffering from intermittent claudication (leg muscles are so under fed by circulation he got pains, life expectancy very short) now back on the treadmill every day, feels much stronger. He tries to tell patients about low carb, but it is a tough battle after years of hearing the opposite.

So, I have hesitated to post this article, because two things will happen. First, most people will say, “Humph, another stupid diet that won’t work.” And not even read it.

And, second, there will be all sorts of postings from people who managed to temporarily lose 20 pounds on a diet that doesn’t work except with an extreme exercise program, when they probably need to love 50 pounds on a diet that works 95% of the time with or without exercise and with no hunger at all.

I feel sad every time I hear a person has died of heart attacks or diabetes Type II, because it is totally unnecessary. Ditto for fat people who need walkers or wheel chairs, or joint surgery from excess weight.

I am going to say in case there is even one person here who will get Taubes’ GOOD CALORIES BAD CALORIES and read it, to find out exactly how and why the medicos totally screwed up something simple and contrary to the evidence. My son says at least half the need for doctors would disappear if people went low carb, moderate fat and protein.

Diets are like dances. Merely a series of rules to memorize and practice. Any of the popular low carb diets will work, if you find one that pleases you with ease of following, and food choices involved.

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van Rooinek April 25, 2012 at 11:15

But there’s a simple solution to the “fat” problem that takes no effort at all and actually saves money. It’s heavily increasing the variety and proportion of fresh vegetables and fruit and decreasing the proportion of meat and carbohydrates like rice, pasta, potatoes and others that need to be cooked

Wrong Fruit and meat should be reversed. It’s really hard for people to accept but fruit is a weight-gain food for a lot of people, due to its sugar content. And meat, contrary to medical myth, is NOT.

Corrected version is: It’s heavily increasing the variety and proportion of fresh vegetables and MEAT and decreasing the proportion of FRUIT and carbohydrates like rice, pasta, potatoes and others that need to be cooked…

And even this won’t help much if you are sitting in a cubicle all day. Half an hour in the gym or track, doesn’t compensate for 10 hours sitting…

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keyster April 25, 2012 at 11:29

“— and he is stunned by the all college-aged “shoggoths” that inhabit our once sacred college.”

A key part of the growing trend of FAT GRRLS has to do with “empowerment chic”. IOW, they should be able to eat as much as the guys and not have to worry about weight gain. Alcohol cuntsumption is also motivated by this. (Witness the typical lesbian, who behaves like a man innately.)

It’s “not fair” that they can’t do things guys can do without the same outcomes. Ironically as the self-perception of their sexual power rises, their REAL sexual power is diminishing.

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Highwasp April 25, 2012 at 11:41

OT – but I have to post this link to a documentary I watched last night called ‘Kindergarten.’

http://www.linktv.org/programs/kindergarten

“Enter the world of tiny children as they experience their first week of boarding school – where their parents drop them off on Monday and return to pick them up for the weekend. The children’s story unfolds without narration, through exquisite cinematography that brings the camera to their eye level.”

If anyone wants to have a look at this and get back with your impressions or if you have already viewed please let me know. As I watched it I started to notice how roughly 85% of the documentary focuses on the boys. Then I couldn’t help but compare America’s encouragement of heroic single moms, professional working women and state sponsored day care – have a look at ‘Kindergarten’ to see the possible future of American working ‘families.’

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The First Joe April 25, 2012 at 11:59

Get this for irony. I’m 6’2″, about 175lbs, in good shape, in the UK.

And I’m only into cute fat chicks. Not because it’s PC or whatever, that’s just who I’m attracted to naturally (there’s a lot of guys like me).
There’s quite a few big girls in the UK, but they’re almost all, to a woman, hell-bent on starving down to thin. Well, the pretty ones are anyway. Which of course doesn’t work – see metabolic reaction to starvation. WLS is getting popular over hear now too, and that really fucks you up, as in rickets / scurvy, dying-of-complications fucked up.
So they’re mostly miserable.

Almost all the big girls who are happy about it… are in the US & Canada… which, knowing what I do about the crazy levels of male imprisonment in the US and the horrendous winters in Canada… not to mention the whole misandrist gov’t / family courts etc… I have no intention of moving to…

Suckage.

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The First Joe April 25, 2012 at 12:07

Oh, no-one has mentioned that pretty much everyone in France and Spain smokes like a chimney. Which helps keep you thin, but y’know tends to kill you.

I was in Barcelona, went into a restaurant and ordered Pizza at the bar. A bloke comes in and sits next to me just as I’m about to eat – he sticks a cig in his gob and says “Tienes fuego?” (have you got a light?)

When they banned smoking inside bars & restaurants in Spain, there was a fuckin’ OUTCRY! Some dude refused to comply, had a campaign going and eventually lost his bar over it. Nearly as bad as when they banned drink-driving in Mexico.

Nice.

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Mr. J April 25, 2012 at 12:13

Hf- Oh, yes, that thing about “breakfast” being “the most important” bla blah blah……
….It takes a real, genuine DOOFUS to believe that.

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Eric April 25, 2012 at 12:17

Lara:
‘The guy in the picture is really cute’

Of course. He’s dressed like a circus clown; looks like he hasn’t been near a bathtub in six weeks; has a stupid and belligerent expression on his face; and is cruising a park in the middle of the day, meaning he doesn’t have a job. Exactly the kind of man American women want.

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Eric April 25, 2012 at 12:24

First Joe:
‘…in the UK and into cute fat chicks.’

LOL, in Britain there isn’t much else other than fat-pig females.

http://www.kshatriya-anglobitch.blogspot.com/2009/05/fat-camp-anglo-american-women-and.html

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Brian April 25, 2012 at 12:26

Nice post, Price. I’ve never been to Europe, but if a time comes when I can go, I’d love to visit the Dutch.

Question: Is stuff expensive there? Compare, say, the price of coffee and a cookie over there and in the U.S. from the ordinary cafe or coffeehouse.

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Eric April 25, 2012 at 12:26

Keyster:
I know what you mean. The boorish American tourists in these countries give us all a bad name. I know that when I’ve been in Latin America, I’ve had to pass for a German on a couple of occasions.

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Survivorman April 25, 2012 at 12:31

I’m in agreement w/ the Keyster on the High-Fructose Corn Syrup.
The USA is the only country in which HFCS in an ingredient in almost ALL foods.

I avoid it (as much as possible) and at 55 y.o., I’m 6′ 0″ and 175 lbs., and fit into the same pants I wore in high school.

Alas — patched bell-bottom jeans are no longer in style..

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Eric April 25, 2012 at 12:35

Price:
I have a client who married a woman from Italy; after meeting her and seeing pictures of her friends, I’m planning a trip to Rome before long! LOL

Which also brings up an interesting point since we were talking about foreign women—most of Southern and Western Europe is overlooked by guys looking for foreign relationships. Most of those countries don’t require visas to come to the US, either. Of course, avoiding Britain and Scandanavia would be a good plan.

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Towgunner April 25, 2012 at 12:46

Meanwhile in the US, we introduce “awareness campaigns” featuring plus-sized models. ?? I’ve been into big girls, sparingly at times, but how typical of feminists to ignore the root problem and force all of us to deal with the consequences.

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American April 25, 2012 at 13:02

My sister ( a matriarch in her own mind) was making her son fat by feeding him cookies, and cakes, chips and soda all the time.
I got the feeling she was unconsciously trying to make her son fat with all the cookies and shit, so she would feel better about herself being overweight.

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W.F. Price April 25, 2012 at 13:12

Which also brings up an interesting point since we were talking about foreign women—most of Southern and Western Europe is overlooked by guys looking for foreign relationships. Most of those countries don’t require visas to come to the US, either. Of course, avoiding Britain and Scandanavia would be a good plan.

-Eric

Yeah, continental Europeans are a lot more sane than Americans in many respects. It’s pretty much taken for granted that men and women are different, and affirmative action (of any kind) is pretty rare. I’m starting to wonder why Americans think Europeans are so much more liberal than we are. It sure doesn’t look like it on the street, or even the TV screen. In fact, from over here the US looks like some kind of PC fascist lunatic asylum.

The only local channel that freaks out every day over race and gender is CNN International, and of course watching Law and Order is even more surreal here than back home in the states.

However, although continental Euros are really not bad, there are some cultural issues an American would have to deal with. For example, your typically aggressive, competitive American attitude – which has its uses – is viewed with anything from consternation to outright fear by many Europeans. Normal American behavior could easily be construed as bullying by your typical European.

So if you’re an American man and want to have a European woman, it’s best to learn to tone it down, relax and speak in measured tones. It’s worth it if you can pull it off; good for your blood pressure if nothing else.

Eric April 25, 2012 at 13:13

Lara:
Right…..you didn’t even notice that he looks like he just posted bail and was on his way to meet his meth dealer, I suppose?

I hear this out of women all the time. There are plenty of thin guys who aren’t bums, but somehow they never get any attention.

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Eric April 25, 2012 at 13:21

Price:
Yes, I’ve seen the same thing in Latin America. But in the US, men have to be aggressive to survive—like you said, it’s like being in a PC fascist lunatic asylum—but one thing I always liked about being in other countries (and especially around foreign women) is that it’s possible to let down your defensiveness and be yourself.

Also, too, when you’re around friendly, attractive women, that tends to lower your blood pressure and mellow you quite a bit by itself! LOL But in the US, that’s impossible because there aren’t women like that here.

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Hf April 25, 2012 at 13:30

Europe is more liberal in the true sense of the word, I think. There is a lot less sensorship, for one. And, people can drink BEFORE they can vote, and even drive. In Germany, the general rule of thumb was- if you are tall enough to order over the bar, then u can drink. Though legally, the drinking age is sixteen.

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wobbegong April 25, 2012 at 13:31

I eat bacon and lard and lose weight. I eat sugar and starch, I gain it. Flying off to Thailand today, will lose weight there too.

It’s the western diet and the amount you shovel into your gob.

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NMH April 25, 2012 at 13:39

Mr Price: If you are 6′ 1″ and 210 lbs and less than average strength, there is a good chance you are above 25% body fat and clinically obese. Probably want to get a DEXA scan. I know: I am 6″ 4″, 210 lbs, look slender, and have 30% body fat. Im lifting heavy weights to solve the problem.

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W.F. Price April 25, 2012 at 13:41

Nice post, Price. I’ve never been to Europe, but if a time comes when I can go, I’d love to visit the Dutch.

Question: Is stuff expensive there? Compare, say, the price of coffee and a cookie over there and in the U.S. from the ordinary cafe or coffeehouse.

-Brian

Gas is a lot more expensive. Otherwise it’s all pretty similar. Coffee may be a bit pricier. Beer is about the same. Wine is definitely more expensive in N. Europe, especially compared to the US West Coast. I’ve found that you can actually get by with little here, because you really don’t need a car, and you can eat pretty well without too much expense or effort.

What’s kind of ironic is that the healthy food is actually cheaper here than in the US, whereas the sugary stuff is pricier. For example, the rye bread here is cheap and better than the stuff that costs $4 plus per loaf in the US. For breakfast, I can have a couple slices of rye topped with a bit of cheese and sardines, and drink a glass of kefir, which is a kind of unsweetened, liquid yogurt (it’s pretty much the same stuff I had in Mongolia years ago — Chinese call it “suannai”). Rye bread is lower carb, higher fiber and higher protein than the white stuff that’s commonly consumed in the US.

Meat is not consumed in anywhere near the same quantity as back home. Beef is far less common; pork about the same, but not in large quantities. Fish and chicken, however, are ubiquitous. We Americans have a cornucopia of food, but it seems we have a problem figuring out what to do with it. Here in Europe they don’t really have a neurosis about it, and they seem to do a better job with less.

However, just to warn you, customer service sucks. That’s one thing that consistently annoys me.

Opus April 25, 2012 at 14:00

I am impressed that Welmer – who I had always imagined lived in his Mother’s basement; but now I know better ;) – describes his present location as Continental Europe. That is the only Europe I am aware of. Is he planning to come to Airstrip 1 aka The 52nd State?

It is very interesting to hear of the differences that he observes from the States, as sometimes, what I read on the Man-o-Sphere seems to bear little resemblance to my own experiences, but not always.

I would say, Welmer, that you are overweight by up to four stone as we would say. Aged twenty, at half an inch under 6′, I weighed 137 pounds. Somewhat more now – but drapers assistants in search of a Manequin look enviously at me.

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Gator April 25, 2012 at 14:04

Let’s be fair, everyone loves to talk about Americans vs. Europeans, but go to Mexico or the Pacific Islands and you’ll be singing a different song.

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W.F. Price April 25, 2012 at 14:05

Mr Price: If you are 6′ 1″ and 210 lbs and less than average strength, there is a good chance you are above 25% body fat and clinically obese. Probably want to get a DEXA scan. I know: I am 6″ 4″, 210 lbs, look slender, and have 30% body fat. Im lifting heavy weights to solve the problem.

-NMH

I’m physically strong, but I’m getting a belly and I don’t lift weights any longer, so 210 is definitely too much. At 190 I’m thin, so that’s what I ought to shoot for. I think some weight training would be a good idea, but I don’t want to go overboard. It’s actually quite easy for me to put on muscle, and that’s partly why I’m as big as I am — I used to lift and just got used to being bigger, topping out at around 225 lbs in my late 20s while working out 4-5 times per week. As guys age they look better lean, so as I go into middle age I think I should try to move in that direction rather than get beefy again.

Ethical April 25, 2012 at 14:16

“Wrong Fruit and meat should be reversed. It’s really hard for people to accept but fruit is a weight-gain food for a lot of people, due to its sugar content. And meat, contrary to medical myth, is NOT”.

@van Rooinek:
What do you mean ‘reversed”? Please explain.

I agree that too much fruit in proportion to fresh vegetables can be a weight gain food. Putting more “fresh” in the vegetables is also important because veggies you can eat raw tend not to be the extremely carbohydrate dense ones.

I disagree that meat is not a weight gain food and that it’s easier to get fat from eating lots of fresh fruit than it is from eating lots of meat. It takes effort to get up and chew and eat a fruit. For that effort you get fewer calories. You tend to eat fruit when you’re hungrier. Eating a salt laden steak well warbled with fat is no problem even when you’re quite full. Furthermore no one eats 100% lean meat alone. In my cooking style at least, higher meat diets are also higher salt, higher fat, and overall higher calorie diets. Cut that steak in half and replace the missing half with salad. Do you think you’ll gain weight or lose it?

Everybody’s body chemistry differs. I find eating fresh fruit reduces my caloric intake in addition to filling my stomach with a lot of healthy roughage. This is especially true when eating the edible skins with whole fruits (like those of apples) as opposed to downing a smoothie full of peeled, chopped, and puréed ones. Even better, vitamins and minerals appear to be easier for your body to absorb through fresh fruit than added as supplements to processed foods.

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Napoleon April 25, 2012 at 15:06

Anonymous age 70:

What you said is absolutely right. I’ve actually just read a book about that. It is thought that a low fat, high carb diet is the best, I guess because if their diet is low in fat people think that they will not get fat, but the metabolic pathways in the body are all interconnected and just because something doesn’t come in as fat doesn’t mean that it cannot end up as fat.

Moreover, eating a high carb diet causes your blood glucose level to spike which then signals for your pancreas to release insulin, which signals for cells in the body to take up glucose and also to increase flux through glycolysis and increase fatty acid synthesis while reducing fatty acid oxidation. So basically it primes your body for energy storage.

However, fat does not cause insulin to be released and as a result the blood glucose levels are stabilized and you do not get hungry as quickly as with a high carb diet becuase low blood glucose is what signals hunger. Also, you actually end up consuming fewer calories total than you would with a high carb diet, and some unsaturated fatty acids can stimulate fatty acid oxidation.

You may already know all of this so I don’t want to insult your intelligence, but I thought that I would share it for other readers to gain from.

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Boxer April 25, 2012 at 15:24

Whenever I’m in Niagara Falls, I can always tell who are the yank tourists, they’re the big fat couples with fat kids and dreadful accents.

Canadians are bloating into lardasses *very* quickly. Only a few years ago it was common to make fun of Americanos for their robust girth. In BC, there ain’t much difference any longer.

Canadian women are also just as trashy and bitchy as American chicks. Remember that Boxer warned you when your Canuckistani chick drains your bank account and runs away with the guitarist in the local metal band.

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six foot one April 25, 2012 at 15:26

i am six foot one you should be 175. I am 185 and it is a part time job keeping it that way. Don’t eat much for two months losing the first 20 is easy. Male models can be 170. Review male model sites to get an idea. My cousin is a male model and he is about 175 (he eats salad). You need to lose 35 to get the look that model quality 18-22 women want.

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Beltain April 25, 2012 at 15:28

I would have to disagree with your assessment of Europeans and Americans looking alike even back in the 80′s. Having spent pretty much the entire 80′s in Europe spotting an American out of the crowd back then was easy. They were almost always a bit taller and much darker ie: tan than a European. The only Europeans that would sometimes trick you were the skiers who usually had a good facial tan going on but they were usually given away by their round faces and blonde hair.

Europeans have always been slimmer than Americans but back int he 80′s it wasn’t as noticeable because American’s were pretty proportional.

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Georice81 April 25, 2012 at 15:43

Boxer wrote:

“Canadian women are also just as trashy and bitchy as American chicks. Remember that Boxer warned you when your Canuckistani chick drains your bank account and runs away with the guitarist in the local metal band.”

But they are soooo beautiful! Yes, the lack of morals is astounding. Maybe it is because I live in the Bible Belt, but Canadian women are far more sensual than what I see around here in Texas.

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Matt K April 25, 2012 at 15:45

@ WF Price
“Not sure I’d recommend wife-shopping here. …there are some real problems between the sexes …although they are very different from our problems.”

Please elaborate, Bill. What problems with what trends in which countries?

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Art Vandelay April 25, 2012 at 16:03

Europe is more liberal in the true sense of the word, I think. There is a lot less sensorship, for one. And, people can drink BEFORE they can vote, and even drive. In Germany, the general rule of thumb was- if you are tall enough to order over the bar, then u can drink. Though legally, the drinking age is sixteen.

Speaking of Germany, that’s not true. There is no Freedom of Speech as it is in the US, there are many laws restricting it, mostly laid out to “protect the youth”. While you may see tits on TV in the afternoon blood is frowned upon and a government agency can basically ban movies, blogs and videogames as it sees fit.

In Germany, legally you may purchase wine or beer at age 16, everything else starting at age 18. Nobody is going to risk his business by allowing minors to drink though. It may happen in private, I was basically drunk most weekends starting at age 14 – but I was living in a more rural area with blue collar parents, most kids did that. Contrast that to say France or Italy where you might see children have a glass of wine with dinner but not get drunk. Getting piss ass drunk seems to be something that mostly applies to the Germanic peoples of Europe (meaning Britain, Scandinavia, Germany, Austria etc.).

What always strikes me as interesting with Americans (the kind from the United States) is how they seem to view Europe as if it was one country. You see people being different in the US as well but generally when someone from Europe talks about Americans they are only talking about the United States, not the US + Canada + Mexico as if it were all the same. There are vast differences between Germany and Greece or Portugal and Poland for example.

I also think as a visitor (or immigrant, meaning you made a choice to be there) you tend to view most countries in a better light.

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Survivor April 25, 2012 at 16:29

As a Canadian living in the States who has spent some time in several European countries, I can vouch for the fact that Europeans were visibly slimmer than Americans in the Eighties and Nineties.

In my experience, Americans tend to be slimmer in some cities and regions than others. You seem to see heavier Americans in the Midwest than Manhattan, for example. Manhattan is a city where driving can be inconvenient.

Similarly, Toronto is not a place to be driving if you can avoid it. Too few parking spots, too much enforcement of parking laws, and too much traffic…to say nothing of higher gas prices.

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Hf April 25, 2012 at 16:56

@Art Vandelay

I was indeed referring to Europe as a whole, including Germany. You bring up a good point though, each of those countries are very different from one another. That being said, there is less censorship than in America. Not a week went by, for the nearly 6 years, that i didn’t experienced some sort of culture shock. The somewhat explicit nature (and, of course, only considered explicit here, as locals paid all of it no mind) of things heard on the radio, seen in advertisements, seen from the road, seen at the squares and platzes. The overall general (what ive come to consider general, anyway) freedoms that have been censored away here in the US. But it is indeed hard to understand when on the inside looking out.

As for the drinking, I played semi-pro baseball for the Darmstadt Dragons, and we traveled all over and to numerous other countries, and nowhere did I drink as much or witness as much drinking as I did in Germany, kids too.

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Hf April 25, 2012 at 17:05

To clarify- those kids were often with their parents, or atleast, adults whom I presume were their parents.

For the record, I had the most consistent fun while in Germany, with the women being the most gorgeous in Spain!

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Antifeminist One April 25, 2012 at 17:06

France has been getting fatter fast (particularly the young) as the adopt an American diet. They still have a ways to go as they started out thin, though.

It’s not the American diet that fattens a society, it’s American values.

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Antifeminist One April 25, 2012 at 17:09

Also, somewhat ontopic:

http://www.news.com.au/money/bikini-buying-can-lead-to-the-blues/story-e6frfmci-1226338476308

Bikini shopping makes modern women unhaaaaaappy, seemingly because it’s getting increasingly rare to find girls lean enough to look good in them.

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Eric April 25, 2012 at 18:09

Towgunner;
I’ve seen that in some women’s magazines. They actually call these bloated models ‘curvy’. LOL

The mental gymnastics that American women go through to convince themselves that they actually appeal to normal men is pathetic.

If it isn’t bad enough that they advertise themselves as ‘big and beautiful’ (i.e., how she might look if she lost 80-140 lbs.); Hollywood and the rest of the Anglosphere media trots out 40 and 50-something slags and promotes them as ‘sex symbols’ (i.e., how she might have looked 25 or 30 years ago). Then, to add insult to injury, they shame men and say that we’re the ‘shallow’ ones since how a woman looks shouldn’t be important to us.

Ugh—-the more I think about it, the better my next vacation out of the country sounds!

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Uncle Elmer April 25, 2012 at 18:29

Despite my wife’s cooking , I have managed not to balloon to Brobdignagian proportions, though I confess her cookies, pastries, home-made ice cream, and yes, the erotic delights, have pushed this Cracker’s 6’3″ frame towards 190 lbs.

What I want to know is, what’s with those Euro dudes and their funny, “high-water” pants? If this trend laps upon our shores our culture is finished.

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Attila April 25, 2012 at 19:44

Americans are physically fat- and mentally lazy- on average.

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Attila April 25, 2012 at 19:48

A typical French bookstore is FULL of interesting and unusual books about the most obscure subjects. Most often privately owned- the staff knows EVERYTHING there is to know about their authors.

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Attila April 25, 2012 at 19:54

Americans are usually offensively LOUD — just as loud as lower-class Italians – but the Italians at least know how to eat sanely. Italians are also unabashedly pre-PC – so they will say the most extreme things without any guilt complex.

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Avenger April 25, 2012 at 19:56

@nugganu

“How does Canadian sound? I don’t think I’ve ever heard that language before.” :)

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Voland April 25, 2012 at 20:07

One thing about Europeans is that they are more likely to smoke, especially the Frogs. It definately keeps the weight off.

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Voland April 25, 2012 at 20:20

Another thing, European women don’t have many children or marry. That is another way to get a big ass. I noticed that there are a lot of 40 something women in Europe who are on the make. They should be married and taking care of the children but they are still single and playing the field. Being such they also tend to dress for the opposite sex. But a thin well dressed 40 something, no matter how good looking, ain’t worth a second look.

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Clovis Martel April 25, 2012 at 20:37

When I need to loose weight, I find that by cutting out snacks or replacing them is a way to lighten up. I am still only 17, so I am not too conserned. (6’2, 220, by the way).

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keyster April 25, 2012 at 21:27

“Normal American behavior could easily be construed as bullying by your typical European.”

We’re assholes, it’s true.
Sometimes we’re reckless and stupid, but we get shit done.
We saved Europe and the Pacific Rim in WWII.
We’d do it again if we had to.
That’s why it’s so pleasant and free there.
We spend half a Trillion a year on military might, that we could be spending on healthcare for our citizens, so European governments can.
We got the Free World’s back.
You’re welcome.

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keyster April 25, 2012 at 21:47

“Americans are physically fat- and mentally lazy- on average.”

Yes, but we’re also the most generous nation in the world.
If people are dying or starving or surviving a natural disaster somewhere in the world, the USA is usually taking the lead to help; most of this through Private donation.

We’re noble and galant and care more about the rest of the world than any other nation, even if it seems we’re just protecting our own interests at times.

I wish we were more isolationist, but we get dragged into world affairs because we’re the most able and willing. We’re not Switzerland and never can be. Somebody has to be the benovolent asshole in a world of nuts with nukes.

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TFH April 25, 2012 at 22:25

The point about cooking is the truth. Most people will never get fat as long as they cook everything they eat themselves from scratch. No matter what you eat – cook it for yourself from scratch and you won’t get fat.

America is to nutrition what North Korea and Zimbabwe are to economics.

That said, the 60% or so of Americans who are still not fat, will never become fat. Despite how easy it is to become obese, if they managed to not become fat, they passed the test.

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TFH April 25, 2012 at 22:27

and affirmative action (of any kind) is pretty rare.

There is a major push in France to copy Norway with the law to make 40% of all corporate boards female.

Swedish rape laws are in some ways worse than the US.

Spain passed laws to outlaw ‘masculine displays’ or so I had heard.

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Pirran April 26, 2012 at 01:34

@WFP
“I’m starting to wonder why Americans think Europeans are so much more liberal than we are. It sure doesn’t look like it on the street, or even the TV screen. In fact, from over here the US looks like some kind of PC fascist lunatic asylum.”

This is an excellent point and one that the Anglo-sphere (even the UK) ignores. Continental Europe is socially MUCH more conservative than us. If you progress into the small-town Netherlands, for example, you will find social attitudes that seem from a different century. The Anglo-sphere conflates the liberality of Foreign movies, plays and art with the social attitudes of those cultures in general. In reality, those artists were reacting AGAINST the social mores of those cultures, not reflecting them.

There’s a price to be paid for throwing out the mores of the past; one that Continental Europe has (in general) been wise is ignoring. Never confuse Paris with village life in Normandy.

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JB April 26, 2012 at 02:44

@NMH

I recommend a simple change in your diet – stick to whole grain (as opposed to refined) carbs as much as possible.

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interested April 26, 2012 at 03:52

I just got back from Europe and every one of the Americans I was with commented on how thin the people were. The men in the group had tired necks from jerking their head side to side looking at the women.

Some of the “larger” ladies in our group tried to shame the men by commenting on how shallow it was to view the weight of a woman as a factor in determining attractiveness.

But they eventually gave up because it was clear the men were not listening. They were busy staring.

For me it wasn’t that the women were more beautiful overall. It was the seeing the much greater numbers of average looking women who were more attractive because they were thin. It put a smile on your face just walking down the street.

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Travis April 26, 2012 at 07:43

@Keyster,
“We saved Europe and the Pacific Rim in WWII.
We’d do it again if we had to.”

You really think so? I’ve often wondered about that. If my generation was called upon to do the kind of things my grandfather’s generation did, I have serious doubts that we could pull it off. Personally, IMO one of the most damaging effects of feminism has been the feminization of boys. Our natural aggressiveness and masculine nature has been systematically destroyed. Competition is practically outlawed in today’s schools. Boys are raised to act like girls. And if they don’t comply, they’re drugged, as if there’s something wrong with them. Fathers, and subsequently most masculine influences have been removed from our lives. You used to see boys outside playing all the time. Riding bikes, building forts, playing football or baseball. Nowadays, the streets are empty of children. They’re all inside playing video games. Not to mention the very obesity mentioned in this article. We’ve gotten extremely soft (and doughy). When I look around at today’s young men, with their skin tight jeans and emo music, I can’t imagine them having the balls to run headlong into a hail of bullets like the guys at Normandy. Could be wrong. I just don’t see it…

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keyster April 26, 2012 at 08:00

“I can’t imagine them having the balls to run headlong into a hail of bullets like the guys at Normandy. Could be wrong. I just don’t see it…”

Modern warfare is not running “headlong into a hail of bullets”; those days are long gone. It’s precision strikes by elite teams and munitions from the sea and air. We’ve got technology that no one else has.

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Travis April 26, 2012 at 09:59

@Keyster,
I don’t know about that. It’s still not possible to win a war simply by sitting in front of a computer and pushing buttons. You still need ground forces in order to pacify a country. The death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan proves that. And those are pretty weak countries, comparatively.
To me, “we’d do it again, if we had to” would imply that we’d be willing to make the same sacrifices that the “greatest generation” did. Hypothetically… And I somehow doubt that would be the case if we were forced to fight a country like China, for instance.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not attacking you. And I’m not talking about ALL American guys. There are some tough SOB’s in the military today. Just trying to make the point that feminism (as well as technology, helicopter parents, fast food, etc) has created a generation of boys on a whole, MUCH weaker and more feminine than previous generations…

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Travis April 26, 2012 at 10:10

@Keyster,
By the way, I admire your view of American exceptionalism. If you would have made those statements a couple of generations ago, I would have agreed completely. I just think all the qualities that MADE us exceptional are slowly being eroded away. Hard work, responsibility, nuclear families, religion (even though I consider myself an atheist, I recognize it’s importance and value), and freedom are all masculine ideals. And in our increasingly feminine society, all masculine ideals seem to be wrong by default. We’re steadily rejecting all the things that made us great…

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Eximio April 26, 2012 at 13:06

Good post Mr. Price, and a lot of interesting comments.

Brought some anecdotes to mind:

Especially interesting to read because I was at an event last night in a country in Latin America, and one of the local Latino guys (with a Polish girlfriend, interestingly enough) asked me what American women are like. I just said it would take me too long to describe all the problems with American women, but that fat and angry summed it up pretty well. And, I suggested he avoid them. Whatever mystique American women might have had at one time (if ever) is totally in the past.

I’ve spend a lot of time in different parts of the world. I do appreciate European women for the fact that they are generally thin, at least when they are young to middle aged. But, French women often stink. England has more than their fair share of ugly women. It’s easy to get laid in Denmark, but don’t fall in love.

I do business with a Swedish company. Meet with their business development guy a couple of times a year. Once while meeting with him, he got a call and started speaking Spanish (which I also speak) and was saying a long of cariñosos. Turned out, it was his wife. Who is from Argentina. And who he obviously just adored. I’ve spent time in Argentina and I can say definitively that it is a great country to search for a woman. Loads of beautiful, thin, women, that like being women and expect men to be men.

I jokingly asked this guy what a Swede was doing married to a woman from Argentina (of course, I could totally understand why!). In a very matter of fact way, he said, “There are no women in Sveden.” I said, “What? There are lots of tall, beautiful, blondes there. I had some great sex there when I was younger.” He said, “Yes, sometimes good for sex, but they are not women.”

I guess I’d say the same about American women. Except too many of them are too fat to even be good for sex.

Once last observation, I spend a lot of time in Seattle also. I always find it hilarious how Seattle fashions itself to be sort of Europe-ish. Seattle women love to talk about how much they just LOVE Europe, there last vacation there, their planned vacation there. I agree Mr. Price, compared to most of Europe, Seattle especially is an insane, fascist, triple censured, PC hell-hole. But, even worse, if Seattle women want to at least fool themselves into thinking they have some sort of European style, they should at least loose some weight!

The rain 9 months out of the year is bad enough. But to see all those fat, angry women in Seattle – it’s enough to drive you to suicide. Wait, Seattle has one of the highest suicide rates in the country, doesn’t it?

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Survivor April 26, 2012 at 15:59

@ Avenger

How does Canadian sound?

There is no one Canadian language. However, English-speaking Canadians have a significant accent and we usually sound nothing like Yanks.
You’d know it if you heard it, eh?

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freebird April 26, 2012 at 16:57

Hey survivor,give the “yanks” a break will ya?
If we weren’t buffering between you and Mexico you would be in dire straights.

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Attila April 26, 2012 at 17:00

Land of the Loud and Fat:

The thing that really irks me is the lack of elevator manners- people will get on the elevators and continue their conversations at ear-splitting levels INSIDE the fkng elevator – with no consideration of anyone but their interlocutors. I’ve learned to get close to the door so that I can make an exit when four or five ENORMOUS Ameriskanks get on (sometimes BBWs).

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Eric April 26, 2012 at 20:35

Interested:
Men who’ve never travelled abroad can’t imagine the electrifying feeling that comes from being near real women again. I’ve mentioned before that the social situation for men in the Anglosphere is parallel to famine conditions. You can well-imagine how famished men are going to react to nutrious and well-cooked dinners all around them. LOL, it’s no different in foreign countries.

I know that when I’ve been in Latin America, you can’t help checking out the girls—you’re surrounded by young, friendly, slim, attractive females all day long. Of course, American feel threatened by foreign women. I remember being on a date once in Mexico City when my g/f pointed out that a group of Americans were staring and pointing at us. Luckily my g/f didn’t speak English well. I could lip-read that my fellow-countrymen (and women) were quite offended at seeing an American openly courting the local girls. I told my g/f ( in English so the jealous Amerobitches could hear) ‘there, now you see why I don’t date American women.’

Then we left with the Amerobitches choking red with rage! LOLLL!

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Eric April 26, 2012 at 20:50

Eximio:
I live in Seattle too. The only problem I find with your description is that you understate how bad the women really are!

Suicide, rampant homosexuality, the nation’s leading consumer of both psychiatric drugs and internet pornography—quite a far cry from media propaganda and films like ‘Sleepless in Seattle’ isn’t it?

Aside from being the unqualified slime-pit of American womanhood (which is saying a lot considering the low quality of American women generally), the women here have the most exaggerated opinions of themselves imaginable. These fat, predatory, bitter, bully-bitches actually imagine themselves earthly goddesses. They’re among the fastest (statistically speaking) to file false accusations, sexual harassment claims, &c.

And, yes, Seattle is an angry, uptight, hyper-PC, fascist police-state, to make things worse.

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Avenger April 26, 2012 at 22:37

However, English-speaking Canadians have a significant accent

Yeah, like being in Buffalo just across the border. :)

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Glenn April 27, 2012 at 04:08

Good Lord, make sure you never go to any other Men’s Rights webpages and admit you are in currently in Europe.

To do so would invite all the angry lesbians and skulking homosexuals that are posing (poorly, I might add) as “mixed martial arts experts” and “rock musicians” to start hurling the tried and true “PUSSY CHASER!” epithet around.

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W.F. Price April 27, 2012 at 04:29

Good Lord, make sure you never go to any other Men’s Rights webpages and admit you are in currently in Europe.

To do so would invite all the angry lesbians and skulking homosexuals that are posing (poorly, I might add) as “mixed martial arts experts” and “rock musicians” to start hurling the tried and true “PUSSY CHASER!” epithet around.

-Glenn

Well, I can’t really afford to do that, to be honest. When you’re a father it kind of puts an end to that lifestyle, unless you don’t give a damn. But if I were a young, single guy with no kids I would probably be out and around here. It’s really amazing how much more favorable it is here for men than back in the states.

American April 27, 2012 at 05:47

Eric, Wow, all that talk about Seattle being anti-male, have you ever been to the Gender-Raunch dominated North East??? Mary Kellet and her man hating crowd are the loudest voices in the legal community here.
In the North Eastern states its “Bow to Gender-Raunch” or else they are going to send in there perverts in law enforcement to make you bow.

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thehermit April 27, 2012 at 07:30

Why not visit Eastern Europe? Prague, budapest or Croatia, Poland would be another different experience i’m sure.

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MaMu1977 April 28, 2012 at 12:20

When I lived in rural Germany, I measured a grand total of 12% “bigger” people (by weight in fat/height proportion- 9% of them were between 20-50 pounds overweight, 3% of them were over 50 pounds overweight. This was in a town of over 50,000 people.) Them again, I was living in a farm/military town, so a “large” percent of the obese were military wives and the majority of the overweight Germans could pick up and carry bales of hay. This includes the women. And, if I may say so, I’d gladly live in an America in which our BBWs looked like their German counterparts. 6’1″, 90-100kg/190-215 lb, 42F-30-38, thighs that ripple with muscle and pin you to their waists delicious… In comparison, real life American BBWs are usually 5’3″, 110kg/230lb, 34C-44-50, yuck!)

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Phidrus May 1, 2012 at 16:41

@Eximio

Excellent comment. “There are no women in Sveden.” Exactly!

This is what people have to understand! Being “male” or “female” is a biological fact. Being a “man” or a “woman” is MORE than that. It is a conscious effort to embody certain sex-specific “virtues”. In the case of masculinity, things like courage, reliability, generosity, strength. In the case of femininity, things like gentleness, sympathy, elegance, caring for the home and children.

Males who make no effort to develop masculine virtue, or a females who makes no effort to develop feminine virtues are DEFECTIVE. They are DEFECTIVE BY DESIGN of the corporate/New World Order who want to reduce fertility and redirect human instincts for their own profit.

The rich countries, Sweden, Norway, America, Britain, etc, have all been TARGETTED by propaganda NOT to be men and women, but merely males and females.

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Brittney May 2, 2012 at 04:42

Wow I can’t believe some of you guys are trying to blame your being overweight on feminism. If you’re a grown-up, you’re responsible for your own health and well-being. Period. You should know how to cook. You aren’t owed a female to cook for you; don’t blame women because you choose to stuff your face with fast food rather than cook something healthy for yourself. Wow and this guy’s other article says that American WOMEN are entitled…

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Eric May 2, 2012 at 13:38

Brittney:
Amerobitch anger is the barometer of truth.

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