Vatican to Purge Feminists from US Convents

by W.F. Price on April 19, 2012

Although it remains to be seen what will come of it, the Vatican has finally formalized and announced its plan to purge feminism from Catholic institutions in the US. This will be a very large-scale, painful undertaking, as many convents in the United States began adopting feminism and goddess worship as their de facto faith some forty years ago. Despite Catholic tolerance for their heterodox positions, attacks on the Catholic church from feminist quarters never let up, but rather increased in fequency and volume.

One of the organizations facing inquisition, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, represents 80% of the nuns in the US. This will truly be a time of reckoning for the sisters, who have been growing increasingly bold in recent years. As an example of what they’ve been up to, here are some words of wisdom from Barbara Marx Hubbard, the woman they chose as their keynote speaker at their big conference last year:

Marx Hubbard: This is the new Adam and the new Eve—whole being with whole being at the Tree of Life. In the story of Genesis, Eve was not only going for the Tree of Knowledge, she was heading for the Tree of Life, which is the tree of the gods. And it seems to me that the human species is heading for the Tree of Life. We have the power to destroy worlds and build worlds, to change our own bodies, and perhaps, eventually, to have ever-evolving life. Now, when the woman has become whole, so that her own masculine and feminine are joined, and the man too has become whole, they can come together beyond domination and submission in such a way that will bring forth the greater potential of each. So we see the couple as a very powerful arena of self-evolution. And when you add sexuality—from procreation to recreation to regeneration—you begin to see the New Man and the New Woman gaining the wisdom to guide the new powers of humanity forward.

Seems she is not only endorsing Eve’s choice, but supporting some kind of spiritual transsexualism in the temporal world. Kind of odd from a Catholic perspective, one would think…

Although there is a great deal of opposition to Catholicism – and Christianity in general – throughout the Western world, there is no doubt that the Catholic church itself is a very influential institution. For example, Karol Wojtyla’s (Pope John Paul II) firm stance against Communism gave the Anglo-American alliance enough moral support in continental Europe to tip the political balance and eventually send the Bolsheviks scurrying back to Moscow in disgrace, where they were overthrown by the good Russian people.

Today, however, it is not the despotic, Tartar tyranny of Bolshevism, but rather a sort of rot in the Western body politic itself that is being challenged, which may complicate the issue. Nevertheless, we can hope that the purge the Catholic church has decided to undertake to clear feminists out of convents will begin to embolden other religions and institutions to take similar measures.

What is remarkable is how long it took for the fight against feminsim to finally get started. It remained unchallenged for decades, destroying countless families and fomenting war between the sexes before people finally began to stand up to it. If anything, this should be a source of great shame to Western men and institutions, including Catholic Church leaders, who let the situation go from bad to worse without having either the will or compassion to do anything about it.

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meistergedanken April 19, 2012 at 06:55

I’m surprised she didn’t start talking about Lilith as well. Actually, I’m not even sure what the hell she was getting at; it sounds like some gunk from a New Age book like the Celestine Prophecy.

This will be some “spring cleaning” job – the Augean Stables come to mind.

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Opus April 19, 2012 at 07:00

I met one of those feminist Nuns when I was State-side. She did not feel it appropriate to wear her customary uniform – no submission there – so, naturally, I attempted to chat her up, as she was only in her late twenties (if you look like a slut I will treat you as one, is my motto) but she was just a bad tempered Feminist and probably Lesbian – so I passed on her.

I regret however that I must take issue with your – to my mind- very fanciful explanation for the demise of the Soviet Union. Don’t take my word for it, but, my Soviet friend, a History graduate as it happens, accounts for it entirely on economic grounds – I really do not think the words of an Imam from Rome really have much effect in the land of Orthodox Catholicism – let us see if Ratzinger has more effect in Puritan America.

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Jay April 19, 2012 at 07:03

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Erik April 19, 2012 at 07:14

Not sure if Jay is a troll or just ignorant. Mockery seems called for either way:

“What a shame the commenter didn’t put one-tenth of a percent of this energy into exposing the centuries-old systematic rape of children by members of the public school system.

Hey, priorities… it’s them educators that are dangerous. Not the priests.”

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Matt April 19, 2012 at 07:21

Re Jay:
keep on parroting the line that anti Catholic bigots use.
The problem was Homosexuals in the Priesthood, who were attracted to post pubescent boys, not pre pubsecent kids. They were Pederasts, not kiddie fiddlers. and it is not tied to one faith, It is just the Catholic church is an easy target.
BTW do you think the fact that the rise of feminist nuns and gay priests in the church at roughly the same time are merely a coincedence?

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Dave April 19, 2012 at 07:22

Well Jay,

It seems to me that they have woken up and are taking care of business.

Task #1 Get rid of homosexuals in the priesthood. You did not think that it was hetero’s absusing the young boys did you? Funny how the media glosses this over.

Task #2 Get rid of those in the Church that promote homosexuality and feminism.

I am not Catholic, but I thank God that they are awakened and entering the battle arena.

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Brosephus April 19, 2012 at 07:26

That’s a silly comment Jay, you do realize that there is a higher chance of being molested by a public school teacher than a Catholic priest right? Second of all this is a much needed housecleaning, the Catholic church is one of those strange institutions that are pretty well defined by both canon and tradition, yet contains a broad element of individuals that abhor and actively seek to undermine its moral authority and historical force. America needs to its cue from the Catholics and begin to expose and remove the feminists wise enough to hide and publicly ridicule the man hating, child killing feminists that are arrogantly ensconced in positions of power. Feminism is dead because feminists killed the generation that would have supported them, long live the revolution.

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Jay April 19, 2012 at 07:27

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Matt April 19, 2012 at 07:32

Take your own advice Jay… Socioeconomic status has nothing to do with the issue at hand. The issues I raised however, does. ” Petty insulting coments are not being honest, just juvenile. ”
“The best part of this website is prot0-masculine honesty. Take a big whiff. . .

I suggest you do the same.

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Huck Finn April 19, 2012 at 07:36

Anyways, good luck to the Vatican in cracking down on feminism.

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Huck Finn April 19, 2012 at 07:36

Good luck to the Vatican in cracking down on feminism.

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Ollie April 19, 2012 at 07:43

I believe this clip is extremely relevant to the discussion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ve1vQzuAo0

I’m glad to see that the church is taking a long overdue course of action.
Perhaps there is hope for Catholicism after all.

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meistergedanken April 19, 2012 at 07:49

Jay wrote: “Oh, it’s the ‘gays’ in the church. . .dem kweers. Right.”

In the US, 81% of victims in the over 10,600 reported cases were male. If we could only know the details of all the UNreported cases, that percentage would undoubtedly be higher, due to the resulting shame over homosexual contact felt by the boys. So to say there is no correlation between being gay and the crimes mentioned here seems rather obtuse. Additionally, it is interesting to note that the 2004 Jay Report says that about 4% of priests serving from 1950 – 2002 (4,392) were involved in these allegations, which nicely matches the suspected percentage of gays in the population at large (coincidence?). I will cite these facts not for Jay’s benefit, since he has proven to be one of these progressive haters that don’t much care for inconvenient truths, but for the rest of the readership.

Matt wrote: ” They were Pederasts, not kiddie fiddlers. and it is not tied to one faith.”

And 78% of the cases involved the ages of 11-17, confirming Matt’s assertion. Jay is one of those people slavishly adhering to a well-worn narrative trotted out by the MSM, etc. He’s the guy saying “hey – why are you putting out that house fire when the driveway pavement is in such bad shape!”

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Teckel April 19, 2012 at 07:49

Goodbye, Good Men by Michael Rose is an excellent book on the child-sex scandals and other problems within the modern US Catholic church. He states that the problem began in the late 1950s/early 1960s, when attempts at keeping homosexual men from the seminaries and then the priesthood were quietly abandoned by liberal/radical theologian ‘gate keepers’. Why were homosexual men actively sought out for admission to seminaries? Because it was believed by those avant garde theologian/seminary ‘gate keepers’ that homosexual men would be more sympathetic to feminism and to women in general-that the Catholic church was too male-oriented. The rise of “radical” nuns like the Maryknoll sisters and Third World “Liberation Theology” probably ties in with the taking over of seminaries by liberal theologians, but the problem of sexual abuse stems from the deliberate effort to recruit gay men for the priesthood, if Rose’s experiences and research are to be believed (and THAT was done for the benefit of women in general and feminist women in particular). The book is available for cheap used on amazon, if anyone would like to read it for himself.

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Ollie April 19, 2012 at 07:51

I’ve noticed that the Seattle Times article’s comment section is rife with (upvoted) comments on how this is going to doom the Catholic church to irrelevancy by alienating its female base of support.

As someone who has become familiar with the psychological dynamics that underpin the fields of both Game and persuasion in general, I have to laugh at their assertions. It’s almost like hearing the old “be a nice guy and you will get dates” trope being trotted out again by the same deluded double-talkers.

As absurd as it sounds, I think the Catholic church is adopting its own form of Game, or at the very least taking a few red pills.

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J April 19, 2012 at 08:00

Oooh boy, Matt, I got your back on this one

@Jay

NAMBLA=North America/Man-Boy Love association

These pederasts wanted to make it legal for them to “talk” with young boys. They lost a landmark case in Mass. for trying to get the ability to influence young boys. Homsexuals in general love to talk about ancient Rome, Greece, and other socities(whatever those other societies are/or where). I lived in Greece, and I speak it. The term the Greeks used was Kynathos. Transcribed, it means “same in the community” or they are attracted to the same.

In modern times, as early as the fifties, there was a huge movement to label homosexuality a pathology. These psychologists warned that homosexuals had mild to severely traumatic upbringing that led to them having an attraction to the same sex. Sort of replacing the father role with another man which was sexual in nature. Contrary to popular belief, homosexuals have had a lobby in D.C. for decades. As they do now, back then they targeted this movement through the media, and “friends” in politics. Their main success was prohibiting the label of pathology from entering the DSM, or the bible for psychologists. Fast forwward to 1993, where a proclaimed homosexual “scientist” claims that he found the “Gay Gene.” Almost twenty years later, one heterosexual scientist, and one gay, conduct the exact same experiment. They called the evidence “inconclusive.” In other words, due to the politics(LGBT lobby) the did not call the study in 93 what it is, “bogus.”

My point Jay, is that homosexuals are abnormal, most respectable studies I have read, claim that most homosexuals had some sort of enviornmental conditions that led to their behavior. Lets face it, the human rectum is full of bacteria, methane gas, crap(not it’s technical term). Also, more often then not, when someone penetrates another, man or female, they can rip the rectum, and put said material inside the body where it causes massive damage. If it was natural, that is very unlikely to happen.

Lastly, but most important. If I am right, and homosexuality is a pathology, then who in their right mind would allow these pederasts near children, boy scout troops, girl scouts, altar boys, elementary schools, high schools….ETC. I’ll tell you, feminists, politicians, LGBT(pederasts themselves), and ignorant people like you. A simple Google search on any of these topics with an open mind will lead most people to see that calling it for what it is is not hatred, but sanity! The other, well, I am afraid we are going to discover more dark secrets about that real soon!

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Anon April 19, 2012 at 08:01

This will be a difficult undertaking. Women in America have been using the church (Protestant as well as Catholic) for social activism since the first fights with alcohol sellers in the 1820′s. These early years were the first organized effort to portray men as drunken, violent louts who must be controlled with laws set by women.

I’m reminded of a young woman I know who finished her doctorate of divinity, and finally found a church that would accept her as a pastor. I attended the ceremony that formally invested her as pastor. During the ceremony, she was repeatedly reminded by the church officials who knew her that being a pastor is a religious position, not just a position from which she can launch her activist ambitions.

Like I say, the Catholic church has its work cut out for it on this issue.

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Anonymous Reader April 19, 2012 at 08:02

Indeed, good luck to the Catholic leaders in reducing feminist influence in their various organizations. It’s been clear to anyone who would look for decades that the RC hierarchy is shot through with various flavors of Marxist. Not just the overt, “Liberation Theology” ones, nope. Read any comment by the US bishops on anything to do with economics, and there you’ll find some flavor of socialism.

The RC church heads, like so many traditional, conservative, types has been confused for a very long time: “anti abortion” is not the same as being opposed to feminism. Heck, there are feminists who are opposed to abortion. The RC hierarchy has strutted about making big statements against abortion while remaining totally silent about VAWA, about Bradley, about the drugging of boys in schools, about all the myriad preferences for women in work and college, about false rape accusations…again, opposing feminism is much more than opposing abortion.

The so called unity of the RC church is an illusion. There are as many different churches inside the RC as there are in the Protestant world – goddess worship, new-age stuff like Welmer cited, nature worship, etc. etc. etc.The feminist rot runs very deep, and I bet it runs right into the Vatican itself – you can’t let Marxists into an organization for 40, 50, or more years and not wind up with some at the top of the pyramid.

So as Huck Finn says, good luck guys. You’re gonna need it.

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Matt April 19, 2012 at 08:28

Re Anon 08:02
Ditto everything you said.

There are some faithful though, they are not called “the remnant” for nothing. J @ 8:00 thanks for your comment

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keyster April 19, 2012 at 08:39

OT:
Semper Fi…to Feminists…

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/19/report-women-to-attend-marines-infantry-school/?hpt=hp_t2

Much like our college campuses and places of work, our military is now being infiltrated with Feminism. There is no escaping it. There is no where left for young men to go and be men.

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Anonymous April 19, 2012 at 08:45

“Hey, priorities. . .it’s dem femineests that are dangerous. Not the kiddie-fiddlers. . .”

The education system is a more dangerous place, what with all the sexually, oops, love frustrated women teaching horny boys.

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Ryu April 19, 2012 at 09:04

Good for the pope. Religion is not going to be popular if you piss on men all the time. You can’t have a religion made of feminist and white knight enablers. I wish him luck.

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J April 19, 2012 at 09:23

Okay, now I can comment on the article. Catholics are going to have a hard time with this one. If anyone remembers when the DaVinci Code came out, next to it at the library were tons of stupid books by wanna-be-goddess-”sacred Femme”-lesbo professors touting their bogus theological viewpoints!

Garbage is garbage! Period! So why is it I see people collecting so much of it for themselves? I feel, it is because we have been so dumbed down in our society, education, government, everything that we can’t think for ourselves anymore I hate to admit all of the crap I have had to deprogram myself from. I know that I have more to do then I care to admit! The question is, am I ahead of the curve, or not?

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Neil April 19, 2012 at 09:31

OT:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9185277/Schoolboy-arrested-after-porn-video-of-him-and-14-year-old-girl-posted-on-Facebook.html

If they are both of the same age then why did they only arrest him?

Or was he arrested because he posted the video online without letting her know?

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Eximio April 19, 2012 at 10:00

I wonder if some of the recent attacks on religious freedom in the US finally woke up the RC church? It takes some time for people not familiar with the tactics, antics, and ideology of gender feminism to connect the dots. But the attempt by the feminist regime of the Obama administration to force the RC church to pay for abortions was obviously the ultimate dream of gender feminism. They showed their cards a little to obviously.

Now that the RC church was woken up to reality, I think there is a good chance they can be a formidable force. It takes a while for that institution’s machinery to get into gear and begin to move, but once it does, it is an unstoppable force that continues in motions for generations.

As for the topic of gays, I once posed a paradoxical question in a gay-sympathetic forum that of course lead to a lot of screaming, but none of it reasoned. I knew I had touched a nerve.

The simple question is this: If homosexuality is not a mental illness of some form, and it also is never a choice of “lifestyle” that gay people opt for, then it must therefor be genetic in origin. Homosexuals are happy to be considered genetically homosexual, after all. If it’s genetic, then it is “natural,” in their view any way.

Assuming homosexuality is a result of a genetic pre-disposition, how does that mix with abortion? Parents can now test the fetus for all sorts of genetic abnormalities and defects. And, if they don’t like the results, they can opt for an abortion.

So, if homosexuality is genetic in origin, will it not be the case that parents can check for that genetic trait in a fetus? And, like it or not, isn’t it reasonable to assume that most parents would prefer to not have a gay child? And, as a result, choose to abort the fetus with the gay genetic marker?

After a few generations of that, will there be any gay people left?

Now, as gay people, do you still support abortion?

Ask this question of gay activists. It twists them into a knot. As with most things GBLT and feminist, they want to have it both ways. They want to be genetically homosexual, and also not genetically homosexual. The want to believe that parents will welcome having gay children, while fighting against the supposed inequality they face.

I personally think homosexuality is a pathology. A mental illness of sorts, though one in which people that suffer it can adopt and live relatively happy lives within our society. But it’s still an abnormality that most likely has a cause. I suspect there might also be one or more genetic traits that lead people to be susceptible to becoming gay, sort of like there is a genetic marker that makes one susceptible to being an alcoholic. Not all will become gay, but they are simply more likely to become gay. It takes something to tip them in that direction.

Among lesbians, for the most part, I suspect eventually science will find that in the vast majority of cases, it is a choice. A choice that is based on anger.

So, lesbians will be lesbians and always among us. But I predict a declining percentage of men who are gay. Thanks to abortion.

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Yevaud April 19, 2012 at 10:04

Right. Gay = pedophile.

Whatever.

I’m a gay MRA, but when I read this shit it makes it easy for me to write off this particular wing of the movement.

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Thomas Tell-Truth April 19, 2012 at 10:20

Its about time the church chucked the feminist doxies and started promoting orthodoxy.

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Towgunner April 19, 2012 at 10:24

@ J

Very good points, I’ve always stressed to the MRA that the power of media is crucial to feminism. They’ve certainly exploited it. However, I think that their dominance of entertainment and media explains why things have become so femo-centric. Going forward, it’s a different story. Consider that of the top 15 grossing movies last year, only 1 was an “original” (not a sequel, remake, adaptation). Additionally, viewership of traditional media, particularly abc, cbs, nbc is steadily declining as well. What’s that tell you? Well per the movie stats, the key component to good entertainment, originality/creativity, is on a sharp decline. I suspect that the suffocating nature of PC has much to do with that; so, they’re doing it to themselves. For example the recent remake of Alice in Wonderland with Johnny Depp is quite revealing of how politically driven hollywood is…in this adaptation alice becomes a fearsome warrior. Not surprising the people behind this movie are feminists. On the declining box office and viewership stats, I think the internet and putting content control firmly in the hands of the consumer has introduced a powerful disruptive technology. Many people, myself included, have cancelled their TV cable subscriptions…hundreds of channels but nothing is on, go figure? A common thread I observe with many folks is that they’re not being entertained anymore but sermonized to and, for many, flat out insulted. That should come as no surprise to MRAs, I don’t even need to see the show, I can hear the misandry…it’s getting to the point that it’s unbearable to even be in bars or taxis. But the key here is that it’s becoming so ridiculous even the dumb down drones see right through it. The real driver, though, is the number of disruptive technologies in place that have already made old-media a zombie dinosaur.

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Per Diem April 19, 2012 at 10:40

This is Great News – The feminist influence on the Catholic Church is a cancer that is destroying the church from within. By removing these feminist the church can heel and prosper once again. The Catholic Church is the foundation (The Rock) of Christianity; and the feminist have had their eyes on that prize for some time. It is important to remember that there wouldn’t be any Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans or any Protestants if not for the Catholic Church.

If the Church is successful it will be a devastating blow to feminism and may very well alter the current trajectory of feminism. This is very big if they can succeed, but it won’t be easy.

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Matt April 19, 2012 at 11:13

Yevaud, Your logic is not sound, are you saying that most priest pederasts are not gay? Note, I said pederast, not pedophile. There is a big difference. 100 % of the priests are men, and 100% of the molesters were men, does that mean that 100 % of men are molesters? Sounds like feminist logic to me.

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 11:13

“Today, however, it is not the despotic, Tartar tyranny of Bolshevism, but rather a sort of rot in the Western body politic itself that is being challenged, which may complicate the issue.”

Well, it’s still communism that’s being challenged, in truth. It’s just taken a more subtle form in the US.

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American April 19, 2012 at 11:18

There seems to have developed a “Culture of sexual deviance” in many American catholic priests. To root out this cancer from the catholic church, when there are now so many sexual deviants taking refuge there, will be dangerous for overall world Catholic body, but it must be done.

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 11:19

@keyster

Yes, keyster, clearly the answer to men’s issues is to cater more to women. That’s worked so well thus far. Oh yeah, and patriarchy was oppressive to women, and we should never go back to it, even though giving women power has proven over and over to result in the destruction of civilization because they are selfish, fickle creatures.

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 11:25

Homosexuals are not “born that way” and the encouragement of homosexuality in youth is a serious problem. There is a significant correlation between homosexuality and effeminacy, and most males would be far happier growing up to be MEN rather than faggots. As Ferdinand Bardamu stated, “Faggotry doesn’t refer specifically to homosexuality, though a lot of homos happen to be fags. Faggot, gay, girly-man, fairy, fruit — these are all terms to describe men who fail at being men.” Most men are happier being masculine, not a weak, effeminate, gossipy and immature fairy boy. And many boys these days grow up with gender identity issues because feminism took away their fathers and the media constantly promotes homosexuality and effeminacy as superior to heterosexuality and masculinity.

http://narth.com/docs/hom101.html

“a common contributor to same-sex attractions is a disruption in the development of gender identity. Gender identity refers to a person’s view of his or her own gender; that is, his or her sense of masculinity or femininity. Gender identity is formed through the relationships that a child has with the same-sex parent and same-sex peers.”

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Lovekraft April 19, 2012 at 11:30

re: so-called MRAs who threaten to leave this corner of the MRM, please do so if you are unable to handle dissenting opinions.

Frankly, men have had to endure decades of sustained new age, morally-relative and progressive views with nary a concession from the other side that our views are valid.

So to come here and demand respect is disrespectful itself.

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Yevaud April 19, 2012 at 11:35

@Matt,

My objection is to the conflation of gay with either pedophile or pederast. For example: “NAMBLA=North America/Man-Boy Love association; These pederasts wanted to make it legal for them to ‘talk’ with young boys. They lost a landmark case in Mass. for trying to get the ability to influence young boys. Homsexuals in general love to talk about ancient Rome, Greece, and other socities(whatever those other societies are/or where).” and “Additionally, it is interesting to note that the 2004 Jay Report says that about 4% of priests serving from 1950 – 2002 (4,392) were involved in these allegations, which nicely matches the suspected percentage of gays in the population at large (coincidence?).”

It may surprise you to know that the vast majority of homosexuals are not in fact pederasts or pedophiles, and that the gay male community claims no ownership of NAMBLA and wishes it would go away. Speaking for myself – but I think I’m fairly representative of gay men my age bracket, 35-45 – I have no interest in men who are 10 or more years younger than I, and would typically prefer men about 5-10 years older than myself. The adult (>30 y.o.) gay male community has far more in common with MGTOW than pederast/pedophile priests.

So, while it might be true that pederast priests are gay (though the gay community in general claims no affinity with them), it is not follow, and remains untrue, that all, or even most, gays are pederasts.

That’s pretty standard logic, I’m afraid.

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Yevaud April 19, 2012 at 11:39

“re: so-called MRAs who threaten to leave this corner of the MRM, please do so if you are unable to handle dissenting opinions.”

I’m perfectly fine with dissenting opinions, otherwise I wouldn’t be here. I may be a masochist but I’m no fool. But I’m not going to leave your bullshit statements unchallenged.

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Towgunner April 19, 2012 at 11:42

@ JeremiahMRA

That’s a dam good post, thank you. I mean, what are we here for? It’s irrefutable that the effeminizing of men and the masculinizing of women is a feminist tactic. There have been claims of gays hating women and vice versa, I think the argument was something like “they compete for men”, come on…how can this not be more obvious – men who like men tend to be effeminate, stands to reason they’d like to see more men being effeminate. Meanwhile feminist want women to be like men and men to be like women. ??? Is it just me or is there common ground here? It matters not, just look at our culture, this message is right there.

What a crook “gender identity” is, take away politics feminism and gayism, and just think about how ridiculous this concept is? I can prove at the most basic level of human parts that there are distinct differences between men and women…the fact that women can make kids, have periods etc and men don’t should be proof enough for any sane person to understand…it’s almost like saying that water isn’t wet.

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Matt April 19, 2012 at 11:53

Yevaud, you stated “It may surprise you to know that the vast majority of homosexuals are not in fact pederasts or pedophiles” Actually it does not surprise me. I don’t have a bone to pick with gays, but they are not exempt from criticism either. Pedophile’s are both gay and straight, but pederasty is 100 male on male.

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Zorro April 19, 2012 at 11:56

When Sandra Fluke is swinging from piano wire, I’ll take them seriously.

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Yevaud April 19, 2012 at 12:24

Matt, I’m fine with that. But as much as a straight man is (or should be) against pedophilia, I firmly stand against any kind of pedophilia or pederasty. I know of no-one currently in my circles of friends and acquaintances who thinks differently on this subject.

One more thought on priests. The percentage of gay male priests is very high, much higher than the general population. Most of these guys are not pedophiles or pederasts, but I will say that many of them are not exactly celibate. It is not necessarily uncommon to find some of them at gay bars. You may or may not find it honorable to break ones vows of celibacy, but illustrates a larger point about the relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia (i.e. there is none). But think about it: 30 or 40 years ago, where else would you go if you want to remain accepted in your community but not get married?

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Tom936 April 19, 2012 at 12:28

It’s about time they did! Speaking as a non-Catholic, it has puzzled me that the Catholic church let Feminists kick it around for so long. They had Feminist nuns illegally ordaining other women as priests, to take one example. I would have shown them the door a long time before now.

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Matt April 19, 2012 at 12:29

Good comment Yevaud.. you are an honorable man. I agree with your last comment, as I believe you are correct. I think we have to follow the evidence where ever it leads us. Truth is oftentimes unpleasant. Not all Priests take their vow of celibacy seriously, and that is a problem for gay and straight clergy.

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 12:31

I have a lot of gay friends, Yevaud, and homosexuality runs in my mother’s side of the family, so I have a lot of gay relatives too, and a gay uncle who died of AIDS. But that doesn’t change the FACT that many homosexuals are effeminate, nihilistic, and unhappy, and that if they didn’t have gender identity issues because Leftism destroyed the role of the father, they could have turned out much happier in their lives. There’s a difference between faggots and homosexuals.

And here’s what Jack Donovan, a homosexual man who’s an expert on masculinity, had to say: “I’m interested in the future of men, because I respect the past. I have observed the ‘bonobo masturbation society’ that the gay world promotes, and I’d rather see straight men tear the world apart than turn into hedonistic mamma’s boys without honor.”

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 12:40

If you need an example of a fag, see Kurt from the hit Leftist propaganda TV show, Glee: http://revoltagainst.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/glee-the-pinnacle-of-cultural-marxism-part-two/

One thing I can tell you for sure is, this is not a man: http://img2-2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/101006/Kurt-Glee-church-hat_400.jpg

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Yevaud April 19, 2012 at 12:47

“But that doesn’t change the FACT that many homosexuals are effeminate, nihilistic, and unhappy, and that if they didn’t have gender identity issues because Leftism destroyed the role of the father, they could have turned out much happier in their lives. There’s a difference between faggots and homosexuals.”

I won’t exactly argue against this. It’s demonstrably true, but does not represent the entire truth. One of the reasons I am in the MRA camp is that I believe the institution of fatherhood is under attack, and fatherhood is central to the development of a positive masculine identity, and (this is the potentially controversial part in this neck of the woods) a positive masculine identity is central to the development of a positive gay male identity.

I also won’t directly criticize effeminate gay men (or effeminate straight men for that matter), as I am fundamentally libertarian, and if you want to be queeny, that’s your prerogative. But the cultural currents in this day and age erode and disparage masculinity, and that is indeed a bad thing.

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 12:57

And here’s Jack Donovan again, in an article from The Spearhead:

“For the record, my application of the term ‘faggot’ is inclusively pansexual, and that usage seems to be increasingly common among men. Homosexuality and effeminacy correlate on average but effeminacy is not the exclusive domain of homosexual males. Not by a longshot. I don’t care who a man says he’s having sex with. If he’s wearing something f—ing bedazzled and prancing around like a tart, he’s a fag to me. Fruitcakes are fruitcakes. Likewise men who act like men should be regarded as men and treated like men.”

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/02/25/delusions-of-masculinity-2/

If you want to see an example of a “fag” who’s straight, you can just look to your TV. Emasculated men are the “in” thing in Hollywood because they are conformists. They’ll do whatever it takes to please the (mostly female and gay) consumer whores who buy their records and their fashion lines. Watch an episode of American Idol sometime and see how few of those men can be called anything but emasculated faggots.

Try Colton Dixon, who poofs up a fruity mohawk of various colors and giggles like a little girl whenever he’s interviewed. He isn’t a man, he’s a little immature girl in a young man’s body who will do whatever it takes to sell himself to women and fags who don’t give a shit about his singing but think he’s “cute”. It’s sickening. A man doesn’t debase himself in that way, and so he’s not a man. Men cringe when they see another man act this way.

It’s about masculinity, and the war on it, which Leftist feminists are clearly winning. If they get their way, in 100 years we’ll be little more than conforming, consumer whore slaves living in that bonobo masturbation society of debauchery that Jack Donovan spoke of.

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 13:05

@Yevaud

I have libertarian leanings but the problem is that the masses are morons who are easily manipulated by the “elite”. The end result of your philosophy is a society of slaves. It is absolutely necessary to be proactive in restoring masculinity and patriarchy, and that means not letting anyone do “whatever the fuck they want”. We must shame effeminate men so that they are motivated to better themselves, which is for their own good. We must shame promiscuous women so that they are motivated to better themselves, which is for their own good. Shame, at least, is not government force, so it adheres to a libertarian philosophy.

There are two paths ahead of us. One is slavery and debauchery, fueled by cultural Marxism, the other is collapse and subsequent restoration of patriarchy and sanity.

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Avenger April 19, 2012 at 13:09

As I said, feminism is dead and we’re just mopping up now. After an army wins they still have to go in and kill what’s left over as they did in Germany for a couple of years with the werewolves. after the Nazies were defeated . They just found them and killed them.
Ever the News, the tabloid for idiot New Yorker’s has the story about the feminist nuns.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/vatican-orders-crackdown-u-s-nun-association-article-1.1064031

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 13:12

Let people do whatever they want, give up traditional social pressures, and we see what happens. Skyrocketing divorce rates, children with gender identity issues, children growing up in poverty and becoming criminals because they don’t have fathers – because society told their mothers to “do whatever the fuck you want”. We can’t just say “oh, I won’t criticize that person, I don’t want to hurt their feelings”. We must exert pressure to get what we want. It’s not going to happen magically, it’s not going to happen through the courts if we beg on our knees enough. If we want to restore fatherhood, it’s going to take a revolution of ideas. Hoping and dreaming things will change just because we want them to, that’s not an answer.

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 13:13

@Avenger

Feminism isn’t dead until Leftist cultural Marxism is dead. And good luck with that. Feminism is alive and well in the hearts of the western world’s people. Look around you.

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DCM April 19, 2012 at 13:14

I hope they clean out that mess.

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 13:15

The western world still suffers under the delusion that everyone is equal, that men and women are basically the same. They’re feminists, Marxists, Leftists. Are you really celebrating the feminist nun things as a victory?

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Avenger April 19, 2012 at 13:39

Feminism isn’t dead until Leftist cultural Marxism is dead

MRA-the problem with guys like you is that you call everything Marxism. Although I’m more of a libertarian I’m not 100% opposed to all social programmes or spreading the risk around. What do you think insurance is? The problem with benefits is that they are out of control. All a female has to do is get knocked up and have a kid and she’ll likely receive benefits that would be more than what she’d be able to earn on her own, without having to work 40 hrs a week for it. Most of these unwed mothers couldn’tearn $10 an hr which after paying tax and SS tax may only be $300 a week. The tax free benefits they get are a lot more+ they can get child support.And btw, that kid will cost $15k a year just for school for 12 years.
We need to promote abortion and birth control for these losers.

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Avenger April 19, 2012 at 13:42

Are you really celebrating the feminist nun things as a victory?

It’s a step in the right direction. Feminism wasn’t built in a day but done incrementally and that’showit will be dismantled.

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Gx1080 April 19, 2012 at 14:05

Heh. The Dems are already poping a vessel about it.

Because God knows that opposing to anything that middle, upper class liberal women want is heresy *eyerolls*.

Good luck. They will need it.

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Towgunner April 19, 2012 at 14:13

@ Yevaud

I’m open to gays in the MRA, but, this is a men’s movement not a gay movement. Unfortunately, gays have demonstrated that they take over movements. Masculine virtues are what matters here, so long as that’s maintained it’s okay. I still side with Jeremiah, and see the rise in gayism as a function of statism, cultural marxism and social engineering. All of these things have created a F’d up culture…sorry but I firmly believe the forced acceptance of homosexuality is a huge indication that we’re headed down the wrong path. As said, I’m alright with gays here, we need all the support we can get, but the slightest hint that this movement is being usurped to serve the gay agenda you can expect rapid and unforgiving responses from me…and others too. There is more than enough evidence that gays and feminists are in cahoots. I’m here because I’m sick of this artificial bull crap world that was forcibly created to appease the fringes of society, namely, radical feminism and, sorry, gays too. This is a frightening world that is unfolding in front of us. I’m here to stop it and at the very least promote sanity. Men in the West are second class citizens, straight men might as well be third. This is just wrong. The positions that both radical feminist and gays espouse are unsupportable and irrational, the MRA, I hope exists to finally shed light on the contradictions. If we do, we’ll bring this house of cards down fast…know up front that includes the gay agenda too.

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Lovekraft April 19, 2012 at 14:24

@ Tom936 it has puzzled me that the Catholic church let Feminists kick it around for so long.

There is a theory bandied about that posits that, in order to subtly erode the Catholic Church’s influence, they used legal and social pressure to force homosexuals into the clergy. This tactic is standard for Marxists.

Then, a campaign of undermining the Church from within took hold.

The fact that, when the ‘scandal’ erupted, so many forces aligned and mass opinion towed the line supports this theory.

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Jean Valjean April 19, 2012 at 14:32

Pity we don’t burn witches and heretics anymore.

j/k

maybe.

Either way, the Catholic Church has bit off more than it can chew. However, one thing is certain. If the CC begins to empower men then eventually the women will fall back in line. Why? Because all the feminist man-hate in the world won’t keep women from seeking high status males.

Hypergamy is the female god. As women start to see lots of strong financially secure males who are Catholic they will come back to the Church or convert in droves.

Equality is just a way of gaining privilege. But nothing privileges a woman more than a man who pays all her bills. They know it and we know it.

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Navian April 19, 2012 at 14:32

I should read up on Ratzinger , I remember the Islamic reaction to his Faith and Reason lecture and taking note that he was taking a strong stand
regarding a pillar of our culture despite the certain widespread anger and criticism that would occur. Taking on modern feminism in the church is surprising to me, (although I am essentially ignorant regarding the feminist/church dynamic). it seems that Ratzinger sure has a set of…………… I mean, Pope Benedict XVI appears to be determined to slow down the decay and rot of the Western culture. The MSM will call this a continuation of the patriarchal War on Women.

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Jabberwocky April 19, 2012 at 14:53

I like what the nun was saying about evolution, although she misses the broader moral implication; ie. if men and women are going to evolve into a gender-hybrid, spiritually or such, it is men who deserve fairer and kinder treatment, and women whom need to put in more effort towards being an equal in all terms. In our current culture/society, women are more often catered and pandered too while men more often sacrifice and toil to please the women. For us to be equals, the scales need to be tipped in male favor. No sane women really wants that.

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IronLowrider April 19, 2012 at 15:04

@keyster

… Which is why to think CRM can succeed as a disparate and diverse but vocal “million armys of one” WITHOUT white involvement is foolhardy. A social movement for black people cannot and will not be led by black people, because not only do white people do it better, they’re advantaged by their socio-racial appeal.

WAIT, WHAT?!

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Zorro April 19, 2012 at 15:08

@JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 13:13

Good insight. Women, being creatures that form social networks and love money from whatever source it comes (a husband, parents, the lottery or Daddy Guv’t), are a Marxist’s perfect Useful Idiot. The fembot movement is the single most powerful driving force behind the march of Marxism (gov’t as sole social arbiter).

It kills me when I read “End of Men” and “The Richer Sex” bullshit. Eighty years ago, a woman who wanted a family looked no further than a good man to make a husband. Now they are all but gone, and who is going to pay for the Socialist monster that will be needed to provide for their needs? A gov’t budet that will make the Defense budget look like shopping funds for the weekend. Who will pay for this financial Godzilla.

The grrrrrrls! Welcome to financial slavery, bitches. This was a race where coming in second determined the winner!

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AfOR April 19, 2012 at 15:17
keyster April 19, 2012 at 15:26

“Yes, keyster, clearly the answer to men’s issues is to cater more to women. That’s worked so well thus far.”

Clearly the answer to men’s issues is not men either, because they can’t do it and they won’t do it. I didn’t say “cater more to women”. I said it will take women to defeat feminism, to organize and take charge against it. Aside from some internet agitators and provocateurs, Men will NEVER do this. This should be acknowledged and accepted.

Women started the fire and it will be women who start the back-fire and see it through. When these two fires meet, there will be no fuel for either of them, and so they will have no where to go, effectively stopping Feminism in it’s tracks.

An MRA is an MRA regardless of sex, race, nationality or sexual preference. But it’s female MRA’s that should and will be at the battle front. It’s the only was it’ll ever happen.

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 15:33

@Avenger

When women were granted the right to vote the welfare state ensued. You won’t do away with no-fault divorce or forced “child” support without eliminating women’s right to vote, and you won’t eliminate that without a revolution. Feminism will not die until women’s suffrage dies, and that won’t happen unless civilization collapses. We can’t paddle backwards one step at a time and count these as victories, because it’s too late. We’ve come too far. Only a collapse will allow for traditional SENSIBLE social structures to return. I hope that happens because the alternative is a world of slaves.

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 15:34

If I wasn’t clear, the only way you stop women who shouldn’t be having kids from having kids is to eliminate the incentives for them to do it. That means eliminating all welfare and all child support forced by government men with guns. That is the ONLY solution, and it cannot happen unless you eliminate women’s right to vote, since women always vote for their selfish desire to be taken care of.

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 15:37

“Hypergamy is the female god. As women start to see lots of strong financially secure males who are Catholic they will come back to the Church or convert in droves.”

No, they’ll either convert for long enough to get pregnant and steal the man’s fortune and children, raising them without a father to instill his faith on them, or they’ll just suck on the government teet which women continue to vote for. The one and only way that women will stop is if the system can no longer support them through men’s tax dollars and forced labor through no fault divorce and child support law. And that will only occur when a severe economic collapse occurs. Even then, as long as women have the vote they will continue to vote only in their own interests, as women care only about themselves, not their children or their fathers.

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Anonymous Reader April 19, 2012 at 15:38

Navian, do not read too much into Ratzinger’s comments about Islam. The Vatican has been backpedaling away from any truth about Islam ever since then. All it took was some threats.

We’ll see if the RC church can follow through on this plan. On the one hand, the only way feminists can kill lots of people is via abortion – unlike the Moslems, who have in the last few years bombed or burned churches from Nigeria to Indonesia. On the other hand, feminism is firmly entrenched in government hierarchies, in media hierarchies, in educational hierarchies and yep, in the RC church hierarchy as well. The Maryknolls are but one example. Clean out the Marxists and feminists, there might not be but a few dozen left. What then?

This plan will generate a lot of opposition, especially from the married Catholic churchladies, many of whom are as feminist as any other American woman.

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Boxer April 19, 2012 at 15:42

The adult (>30 y.o.) gay male community has far more in common with MGTOW than pederast/pedophile priests.

I’ve written about this before. The only people I can completely get “out of the closet” with as far as never wanting to get married, are some older gay dudes. Everyone else, from my father down to the most mild-mannered co-worker, looks askance at a fella who doesn’t want to marry and have the requisite 2.4 children, then get taken to the cleaners in divorce court.

Gay dudes are generally O.K. by me. Of course the usual screechers will get on and flamboyantly (LOL) demonize anyone who says as much, but that’s life.

Good on the Vatican, not only for purging their ranks, but on going public with their plans. The next step will be to purge the ranks of the priesthood of the mangina/white knight/manboobs type idiots, who are also prevalent, but these things happen in steps. If they ever manage to complete the task, I’d probably convert to Christianity, just to have a place to go and hang out with brothers.

Regards, Boxer

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justvisiting April 19, 2012 at 15:48

“Homosexuals are not “born that way” and the encouragement of homosexuality in youth is a serious problem. There is a significant correlation between homosexuality and effeminacy, and most males would be far happier growing up to be MEN rather than faggots. As Ferdinand Bardamu stated, “Faggotry doesn’t refer specifically to homosexuality, though a lot of homos happen to be fags. Faggot, gay, girly-man, fairy, fruit — these are all terms to describe men who fail at being men.” Most men are happier being masculine, not a weak, effeminate, gossipy and immature fairy boy. And many boys these days grow up with gender identity issues because feminism took away their fathers and the media constantly promotes homosexuality and effeminacy as superior to heterosexuality and masculinity.

You’re the part of the reason that the country is full of homosexuals. Just because a boy is feminine doesn’t mean he’s going to be gay. I always found it funny that people think that childhood effeminacy is going to make them gay. Have you have thought that maybe it’s a self-filling prophecy. Treat the boy like a boy and believe the guy will grow up fine.

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 16:05

“I said it will take women to defeat feminism, to organize and take charge against it. Aside from some internet agitators and provocateurs, Men will NEVER do this. This should be acknowledged and accepted.”

Oh no, women won’t stop feminism. As Alcuin said so well, “Feminism is woman’s personality writ large, put into political context. It reflects what women truly are like.” Feminism is just one strategy women enjoy for transferring wealth from men to themselves, which is women’s reproductive strategy, and always will be. Most women in the men’s movement are just feminist-light. They think that feminism went too far, that women really can be moral agents on the same level as men. Ha! History says otherwise. When women are granted the vote they build the welfare state to suit themselves. It has always been thus because women have not changed, they are still selfish because it has suited them so well throughout the ages.

Will women stop feminism? Never. Will men stop feminism? Maybe. But not all men. Not the ones who think women are the same as men. Not the ones who think masculinity means nothing.

Oh sure, there are plenty of different types of people who call themselves MRAs, who claim they want “equality” for men but refuse to acknowledge that women will always have fewer responsibilities and more privilege than men due to the fact that they give birth, and that giving equal legal rights to women necessarily results in inequality against men. But these people will accomplish nothing. They haven’t correctly identified the issue, and their solutions are not solutions at all.

The only people who will put a dent in feminism are those men who realize that feminism is but a subset of cultural Marxism, of Leftism. Call them patriarchs. And they’ll only be given the opportunity if civilization collapses. If so, they may restore patriarchy, restore masculinity, and do away with the disease that is cultural Marxism, which makes men as fickle and feckless as women. Their women will follow, but they certainly will not lead. Women lead nothing.

“An MRA is an MRA regardless of sex, race, nationality or sexual preference. ”

Sex matters because women are followers who care only about themselves. Women will never lead, they will only follow men. Race matters because, for example, blacks, just like women, are very prone in the US at least to demand welfare handouts, because just like women, they have been taught to be perpetual victims. Nationality matters, in fact white nationalists have a much better chance of accomplishing something than MRAs who prattle on about equality and actually think they can change women’s nature. And sexual preference matters to some degree as well, as homosexuality correlates with gender identity issues. Effeminacy in men is disastrous, and very unhealthy, and therefore it is a serious issue for men that homosexuality is praised in the media, that heterosexuality is demonized, and that fathers are taken from their children, confusing their gender identity. Fags (using the previous definitions from Bardamu and Donovan) are not the friends of men. They are not even men. They are just another victim class that wants special privileges and cares not one wit about the future of humanity.

There is a solution to our problems, but it certainly won’t come in the form of men’s rights activism. MRAs refuse to understand the bigger picture. Like Leftists, they live in a fantasy land where their actions will have an effect. It just isn’t true. MRAs ought to wake up and smell the roses, understand the true causes of all our problems, and understand the solutions. But I think that’s about as likely as women giving up their privilege. These people do not want to find solutions that frighten them. They don’t like the truth if it doesn’t *feel* good. There’s a reason they care confined to the Internet and the legal system, where they will make no real long term gains: because they don’t want to solve the problem, they just want to feel like they’re working on it.

The wider manosphere, the alternative right, they have more respect for the truth. They recognize the problems of the modern world, and that men’s issues are the result of much larger problems. You will never solve men’s issues by ignoring the big picture and catering to women, which is the path AVfM has taken.

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 16:14

Here’s a spectrum for ya:

TRUTH
Inmalafide & other alt-right blogs, Heartiste, etc.
The Spearhead
AVfM
Reddit/MR
Feminists & other Leftist sites
FALSEHOOD

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JeremiahMRA April 19, 2012 at 16:18

Some relevant quotes from here: http://www.amerika.org/books/interview-with-jack-donovan/

Jack Donovan:

The MRM is a feminist movement. The poor bastards just don’t know it yet. Equality between the sexes is the stated goal of the feminist majority. However, feminists are humans, and because they are human they will ultimately protect and further their own interests, and that will lead to inequality. The MRM recognizes that feminism is creating inequality, but refuses to deal with the reality that equality is an impossible goal. It dooms itself by following behind feminism, shouting the same slogans and carrying the same signs.

“Equality! Equality! Equality!”

Further, the MRM seems to take the female view on happiness, meaning that happiness the result of security, plenty, and health. The MRM seems to accept a bizarre fiction — that men were the true victims of patriarchy. They base this on the idea that men had a lot of responsibility, and that they were forced to fight wars and sacrifice themselves for the greater good. It seems absurd to me that men would have lived like that for all of human history if they didn’t want it.

Men had more power throughout history because they had the ability to take it, and I think they made the world in their own image.

Women today are remaking the world in their own image.

My question to men is: “Do you want to live in that world? And if not, what are you going to do about it.”

A. Realist, in the comments:

Means versus ends is one way to see the conservative/liberal dichotomy.

Conservatives care about end results, and making sure those turn out OK. Liberals care about means, or the way they are treated, and they put the consequences of their actions secondary to those means.

This is one of the many reasons liberals are out of touch with reality: how you’re treated doesn’t matter at all if you don’t reach your goal. If we are on a spaceship heading to a new planet, and we divide up the food equally so we all are weak and the captain is thus too weak to steer the ship, we all die. But we were all treated equally.

Liberalism is vapid.

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American April 19, 2012 at 16:24

Jeremiah, I believe that upper white middle class gender-feminists want marxist equality (federally bloat funded) for them only, and want a broken matriarchal underclass of un-educated laborers beneath them.
Rember folks, Nazi’s also started out as socialists.

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American April 19, 2012 at 16:26

Educated gender-feminists should not complain about patriarchy with their mouths full of federal pork bloating.

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Anonxcf April 19, 2012 at 16:31

You all voted keyster down in his above quote, but I think he has two things correct:

1)- The “apparent misogyny” that results from the summation of comments holds back the MRM.

I’m not sure this is true, but it DOES seem likely. If there’s a post about some horrible divorce law, terrible court ruling (esp. family court), horrible gender inequality (woman attacks man with knife, man disarms her, man -> jail, woman -> destroys home), or other awful thing, there are plenty of comments that attempt to offer a solution (“change the law by doing X”), mitigate (“go to place Y, where the law is not broken”), and avoid (“if you don’t let yourself get involved, then you should be ok”)… but there’s also a bunch of anecdotes, stories, and general bunches of stuff that will be read as hatred of women. The important stuff gets lost in that bunch of stuff. And yes, some of it CAN be actually woman-hating- don’t pretend that everyone who posts on an MRA site is going to pick their battles and phrases as careful as JTO. Hell, some of the “misogynists” might be folks trying to discredit the movement- I don’t know or care, but I do think that setups like this place and avfm, as potent as they are, have some limits as to what space they can break into- and as a civil rights movement, having even a minority of folks shouting “down wit da wimmin” will destroy a lot of credibility, even if it actually feminists trolls doing 100% of the shouting (and I doubt it is).

2- You actually DO need women in the movement.

As is obvious to anyone who is out and about amongst their friends, women offer social proof- both as PUAs use it, and as it is used outside of those circles. The concept seems to be (and yes this is sexist), that men can be talked into any amount of crazy bullshit, because they “aren’t really people”, but WOMEN really matter- so if your group attracts women, then it must be cool / legit / real / normal. I assume that most readers will agree that, say Naziism, is probably a bad idea. I think you’ll also likely find that almost all of the few proponents of such an idea are male. In fact, you’ll find males as the best protagonists of EVERY movement, beneficial or malevolent, and I doubt there is an accident there, so there could BE something to the sexist idea that if your group doesn’t have women in it, then something is “abnormal” with it- and of course, anything that is radical is scary to the masses, and scary is bad. MRAs who are also women serve the same purpose for the MRM as the “straight white guy” has for gays and blacks, and even the early “women’s lib”, when it was all about getting legal equality for women- the presence of a person who has no “tie in” to the group in question shows people that the idea isn’t simply “good stuff for group X” and is instead a valid effort, a push for equality and fairness. You can BE insulted that people need women on board to be willing to listen to “hey, maybe we shouldn’t presume men are guilty in court, burn them on the fires of war and industry, vilify their biological sexual needs, mock them for trying to fulfill the role that women desire them in, deride them if they step out of line, force them to earn their “masculinity” while femininity comes from hitting puberty, and call them stupid and dumb in all manner of mass media with no backlash”. Fine, be upset that we need women to MENTION this and not have it be laughed at- but don’t vote down your brother when he tries to point you at this ugly fucking truth.

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jaego April 19, 2012 at 16:54

Homosexuals are far more unhappy than straights as per their levels of drug abuse and suicide – even in cultures that accept them completely as in the Netherlands. In line with this, they are far more narcicistic than the average heterosexual man – and they abuse children at 3 times the heterosexual rate. They have always been attracted to all male environments – but the Priesthood more than the army. Vestments, rituals, easy life, access to boys….

Wisely in view of all this, the Traditional Church didn’t want them as Priests. That they have weakened on this is tragic. One writer, the Father X of Chronicles Magazine suggests putting the seminaries in rural monastaries. Most Gays want an easy life and would hate the dirt and the hard labor. It’s a begining.

This issue helped radicalize me. I was beyond disgusted when Nancy Pelosi tried to deny accesss to public lands from the Boy Scouts just because they tried to keep gays from being Scout Masters.

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Jason Sutherland April 19, 2012 at 17:00

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the ratio of pedophile victims from the church match the ratio men to women murdered? Isn’t it possible that 4 times more boys are sodomised purely because of the widespread perception that hurting males isn’t as serious as hurting females?

It’s been awhile since I looked into this issue, but the issue of pedophile priests goes back to the 12th century when catholic priets were forced into celibacy and one of Martin Luther’s criticisms of the church was that enforced celibacy breeds sexual perversion. Also, the ancient Greeks had a society divided sharply on gender lines, it was far more like modern day Afghanistan with “dancing boys” forced into prostitution because women were sexually unaccessible.

Don’t forget prisons are full of heterosexual men fucking/raping each other. The problem is that we as human beings desperately want sex and if there are no women available and life is unbearable otherwise, desperate circumstances require desperate actions. Male Monkeys incarcerated start fucking each other too. I’m afraid this one is biologically driven too.

While I am suspicious of some homosexuals’ loyalty to the MRA, I don’t think they’re more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexual men.

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JL April 19, 2012 at 17:35

Pirce. First. Sorry for my English. I can read it, but writing it is… different. And, before desecrating the beautiful English language with my horrific prose, i prefer a laconic style.

Your site es marked by google as dangerous because a “badware” infection. Perhaps our lovely Wicked Witch of the West have cast a spell on you?

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crella April 19, 2012 at 17:36

OT. Two men were kept in prison for a year AFTER their rape accuser recanted. If you’d like to follow the link, it’s a chance to comment on the whole false accusation situation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/18/brooklyn-das-office-woman-rape-accusation-jawara-brockett-darrell-dula_n_1434981.html?ref=new-york

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crella April 19, 2012 at 17:43

Sorry, posted too soon. The comments are veering off into white vs. black, which isn’t the issue, as well as ‘that poor girl’ garbage, when she was 22 when she made the accusation. The fact that she hasn’t been charged is the problem!

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W.F. Price April 19, 2012 at 17:52

Your site es marked by google as dangerous because a “badware” infection. Perhaps our lovely Wicked Witch of the West have cast a spell on you?

-JL

Well, I’ll check into it. Security breaches are always possible.

However, I checked Google webmaster and there are no site health alerts, so it’s possible that you are simply seeing a spoofed message designed to get you to click on some link or the other. Often these things are simply some clever scamster trying to scare people into following a link or downloading real malware.

Canadian April 19, 2012 at 17:55

I was blocked from accessing the site, some Google warning of the Spearhead being a hate site. It was unnerving, and something you should look into Price.

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Eric April 19, 2012 at 18:00

Price:
MSN news reported today that the Bishop of Peoria issued a scathing denunciation of Obama’s social policies. This, and Pope Benedict’s counterattack show that there is definately a crackdown out of Rome on the orchestrated anti-Catholicism promoted by both the political Left and Right. The media, of course, is infuriated—which ought to be proof in itself that Benedict is on the right track.

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greyghost April 19, 2012 at 18:02

I love this article. Maybe the pope has some of his boys monitoring the manosphere. Or maybe the feminist have just plain gone and are continueing to go too far. Maybe that church did learn something from the experiment of being pleasing to man with the gay priest thing. Now for redemption they double down on being pleasing to man with the feminism thing. Lets see how they handle it.

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Eric April 19, 2012 at 18:05

Jay:
‘Systematic child-rape denied for decades’

More like ‘unproven allegations promoted by special-interest groups and high-powered lawyers who extorted out-of-court settlements in exchange for calling off media witch-hunts’.

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Eric April 19, 2012 at 18:20

Lovekraft:
It was largely by the anti-Catholic American media, but a few years ago, Pope John Paul II commissioned a study into anti-Catholicism in the United States. If I remember correctly, this was around the time he died, and it was completed under Pope Bendict.

The report concluded that there was in the US an endemic anti-Catholicism promoted by both the secular Left and the so-called Religious Right. They even stated that the Church should prepare for the potential of having to go underground, persecution of Catholics, &c.

I think what you’re seeing here is the Vatican throwing down the gauntlet and going war-to-the-knife with American culture. It’s about time, too. Go, Benedict!

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Salvatore April 19, 2012 at 18:31

The Catholic church needs to purge itself of homosexuals, and allow the heterosexual priests to marry. Alot of good Catholic men turn away from the preisthood because of the celibacy requirement. I did.How many men can remain celibate their whole lives ? Hardly any. Priests having sex has been going on since the Church implemented celibacy in the 10th century. It never really worked. Europe always had an abundance of orphans because of it.
In the same vein, maybe the Church should allow nuns to marry ( men, not women– lol) as it purges the lesbians/radicals from it’s ranks.
I don’t think the Church can be in any way viable as long her priesthood has been taken over by homosexuals. I stopped going to church 20 years ago because of the sex scandals ( and other vat 2 issues),but mostly because of the sex scandals.
Celibacy was introduced as a means to keep the system of primogeniture from being undermined. There were alot of legal issues concerning primogeniture in the 9th and 10th century. Celibacy was introduced so the sons of priests couldn’t put a claim on the Church. Celibacy has nothing to with spirituality. It was introduced for legal/financial reasons. It had a big effect on European history– and not for the better.

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Eric April 19, 2012 at 18:34

JeremiahMRA:
‘I have libertarian leanings but the masses are morons who are easily manipulated by the elites. The end result of your philosophy is a society of slaves, &c’.

Well put. I would argue that under so-called patriarchy the ‘State’ was seen as an entity above ‘Society’; i.e., not concerned with social issues as a matter of law. As Jacob Burckhardt pointed out, combining the two envitably makes the State an extension of Society and liable to control of any interest group, ultimately degenerating into tyranny.

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Uncle Elmer April 19, 2012 at 18:43

Canadian April 19, 2012 at 17:55

I was blocked from accessing the site, some Google warning of the Spearhead being a hate site. It was unnerving, and something you should look into Price.

——

Me too, here it is :

http://www.the-spearhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/attack-page1.jpg

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W.F. Price April 19, 2012 at 18:48

I got hacked. I stupidly used a compromised computer (that belongs to a nice older lady who has no idea about keeping it clean) to access the admin panel. This will be painful, but short.

continent April 19, 2012 at 19:19
evilwhitemalempire April 23, 2012 at 22:49

J

“Lets face it, the human rectum is full of bacteria, methane gas, crap(not it’s technical term). Also, more often then not, when someone penetrates another, man or female, they can rip the rectum, and put said material inside the body where it causes massive damage. If it was natural, that is very unlikely to happen.”
**************
yes, it is seldom mentioned that rectums aren’t really ‘designed’ for intercourse (and by a lot of knowledgeable people who most surely know better but don’t say so for obvious political reasons)

“Fast forwward to 1993, where a proclaimed homosexual “scientist” claims that he found the “Gay Gene.” Almost twenty years later, one heterosexual scientist, and one gay, conduct the exact same experiment. They called the evidence “inconclusive.” In other words, due to the politics(LGBT lobby) the did not call the study in 93 what it is, “bogus.””
**************
now on the issue of homosexuality not being genetic you guys definitely have it all wrong
if homo was a choice then there would be no hetero men. they would all simply ‘will’ their minds from chicks to dicks and save loads of time and money otherwise spent on women
NO man chooses heterosexuality I can assure you
so what makes you think we can choose homo?

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migu April 24, 2012 at 03:15

Yes, we tell our priests why we eschew marriage. Then we send them to these places. Dalrock is the first stop, then they find the rest.

The Pope and his men are watching.

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migu April 24, 2012 at 03:28

Yes, we tell the priests why we wont marry. We direct them to these sites.

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greyghost April 24, 2012 at 05:54

“Clearly the answer to men’s issues is not men either, because they can’t do it and they won’t do it. I didn’t say “cater more to women”. I said it will take women to defeat feminism, to organize and take charge against it. Aside from some internet agitators and provocateurs, Men will NEVER do this. This should be acknowledged and accepted.”

We are doing it now. This article shows the Catholic Church is kicking out Feminism. Read the comments on NonMRA site articles. Things and attitudes are changing.

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American April 24, 2012 at 07:34

“Masturbatory homosexuality” is an interesting term i read about here. Many churches (and fathers) teach their sons that masturbating alot weakens the body, mind, and soul and is not good for you. So it naturally fallows that the church (and many fathers) would discourage “masturbation with buddies” (homosexuality).
Maybe this is why Gender-Raunch insist on bringing in dildoes, condoms, and free lube into schools, because encouraging masturbation is a step closer to “Masterbating with buddies”.
Now Im no prude, and skin one out myself at times, but don’t feel like it should be promoted in public schools with condoms, dildos, and free lube.

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Anonymous April 24, 2012 at 09:39

The reason you are told not to masturbate is because it lessens your desire for women. The theological reason is because it defies God’s mandate to be fruitful and multiply.

What is never mentioned is the duality of the mandate. A woman has her choice of man, but once she chooses her choice is permanent.

Implied in her choice is that she will always give herself to the man she has chosen rather than let him masturbate.

Ahh but what the hell does God know right?

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Wulf April 24, 2012 at 11:08

Hallelujah! It’s about damn time!!

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JeremiahMRA April 24, 2012 at 12:25

Ferdinand Bardamu believes masturbation kills a man’s drive and makes him more lethargic. I think there’s something to it. http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/01/20/why-ive-resolved-to-stop-masturbating/

He’s also written some books about it: http://www.inmalafide.com/buy-the-books/

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Jacko April 24, 2012 at 14:43

@ Eximio April 19, 2012 at 10:00:

“Now that the RC church was woken up to reality, I think there is a good chance they can be a formidable force. It takes a while for that institution’s machinery to get into gear and begin to move, but once it does, it is an unstoppable force that continues in motions for generations.”

This is a brilliant observation, Eximio. The Church sometimes allows theological debates to go on for centuries before finally making a decision. But once the decision has been made, there’s usually no turning back [e.g. the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception].

@ Salvatore April 19, 2012 at 18:31:

Your ideas about the origins of Catholic celibacy are off. Catholic celibacy from the beginning has always been a form of spiritual MGTOW.

While, obviously, the Church recognizes that the position of the Shakers [that ALL sexual intercourse, even within marriage, is bad and is to be avoided] is too extreme and, in fact, suicidal, the position of the Church has always been that the celibate single life is preferable to the married life. This is clear, for example, in the writings of Saint Jerome, one of the most hardline and “in your face” of the Church Fathers. Saint Paul himself said [I'm paraphrasing]: “the married man is anxious for the things of this world – how to please his wife; the single man is anxious for the things of heaven – how to please God”.

In other words, the position of the Church is that celibacy is a good thing because you can’t serve two masters: God and woman. Makes sense to me.

@ migu April 24, 2012 at 03:15:

“The Pope and his men are watching.”

It would be nice if some mandarins in the Vatican are watching the manosphere with a sympathetic eye. The Church has never been fully on board with feminism anyway. There are, after all, no women priests and there never will be.

The position of the Church has always been that the sexes are complementary, not equal and that men must lead and women must follow, in accordance with the natural law ordained by God. Unfortunately, the Church hasn’t reasserted these principles too forcefully in the last fifty years thanks to the touchy-feely, effeminate “spirit of Vatican II”.

Today, the spirit of Vatican II is thankfully dying off, along with the elder stateswomen of 2nd wave feminism. A new generation of clergy is emerging that is proud of the long tradition and history of the Church. Hopefully, this new generation of clergy will be willing to call a spade a spade even if it’s not politically correct. We may be witnessing the beginning of a revival of the Church Militant and, eventually, the Church Triumphant.

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Demir April 24, 2012 at 21:15

Life is too short to wait for things to turn around — Islam has always been there!

It’s hard to find a Muslim with a feminine/effete voice—this fellow is from Bosnia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Me11_mro8&feature=relmfu

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Prof. Woland April 24, 2012 at 22:09

Catholics have a special problem regarding “pedophilia” that other denominations don’t have namely because their priests can’t marry. This meant that the priesthood was the one sure fire way homosexuals could hide in the closet. As others have pointed out on this post, the sexual assualt that has been committed by Catholic priests has all been on post pubescent boys. When you combine gays sexual attraction to young men, including ones under 18, and having the perfect cover for their sexual orientation it should be no surprise what happened.

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evilwhitemalempire April 24, 2012 at 22:25

The reason you are told not to masturbate is because it lessens your desire for women.
Ferdinand Bardamu believes masturbation kills a man’s drive and makes him more lethargic. I think there’s something to it.
***********

oh, that’s right. tell all those beta men to stop all that jerking off

because nothing protects men from becoming grist for the misandry mill more than being undersexed, desperate fools

beginning to see what the mgtowers have against the pua types

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migu April 25, 2012 at 05:05

You dipshit.

I simply answered where the admonition comes from.

I’m responsible for what I say, not for what you understand, put the hypothalamus pause button to use.

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"The One" April 25, 2012 at 13:05

Zorro, fix your attitude, or else do not participate. Your comment was so abhorrent, it makes me suspect you’re fighting for the other team, trying to make Spearhead look bad. It should be deleted and the IP address belonging to “Zorro” should be banned.

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"The One" April 25, 2012 at 13:26

Jay wrote “Oh, it’s the ‘gays’ in the church. . .dem kweers. Right.”

It doesn’t matter much whether men are gay or bisexual, they’re fags in any case. That is why we must continue to say “fag” because it’s a term which encompasses both gay men and bisexual men.

Hypothetically, if a fag in the clergy keeps his vows of celibacy, and keeps his mind on religion, none of this becomes an issue.

Secret fags are defacto members of a secret society. Straight men can never know the true extent of it.

Martin Luther made a valid point on how the requirement of celibacy makes the clergy less appealing to straight men, generally. Thus, the clergy becomes a sanctuary for fags.

As long as they are austere, religious, not resentful of heterosexuals, and not left unsupervised with male children, it doesn’t matter much.

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"The One" April 25, 2012 at 13:37

Jason Sutherland wrote: “Don’t forget prisons are full of heterosexual men fucking/raping each other.”

Heterosexual? That word does not mean what you think it means.

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"The One" April 25, 2012 at 13:55

The struggle against the social agenda of the LGBT political faction is part of the struggle against Feminism.

The reason for opposing the social agenda shared by Feminists and the LGBT political faction is not to save fags and dykes from their lifestyle choices or their innate proclivities. The primary reason they must be opposed is so that they cannot restrict the liberties of heterosexual society.

There is a distribution of people ranging from masculine to feminine. Some men are effeminate and some women appear somewhat masculine.

Some fags may appear fully masculine, and some dykes may appear fully feminine. Some men who appear effeminate are fully heterosexual, and some women who appear lacking in femininity are not dykes.

With men, the critical distinction is not whether they are gay or bisexual, but rather whether they are straight or not straight, i.e. fags.

With women, the critical distinction is whether they are gay or bisexual. Even if a woman is bisexual, she is effectively straight for all intents and purposes.

If an individual happens to be a fag or a dyke, they should not be despised for this. The problem is not with the sexual orientation of fags and dykes, but rather with the lack of respect for traditional social values, and the political agenda of the LGBT faction, which is a political entity.

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Kourosh April 25, 2012 at 18:10

If I may – as a middle-aged guy – I would find it hard to believe that many many men have NOT ever fantasized or daydreamed about what it would be like to open up to another man completely, including erotically. To go on and act it out is another matter—but fantasizing or “wondering” — I just don’t believe it.

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Zorro April 26, 2012 at 19:37

@”The One”

Go fuck your mother. The Navy’s done with her.

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joeb April 28, 2012 at 05:01

The catholic Church in the 60 and 70 had large amounts of Money to fund programs , This Money was a targeted by these feminist organizations . It was hard at that time to identify these groups for what they where . These Women have some skills in grant writing .
During the 80s and 90 these Organizations grew .
They targeted from the Beginning Programs like Female health and V.A.W with the intent to change the constitution . They have succeeded in much more then they ever planed on , The original group was high jacked by the more militant fems . This was a great embarrassment to the Catholic Nuns that put hard work and care into these Bills .
Ohio works is one of the programs that came out of this Feminist takeover , It started off as the 1990 V.A.W Bill after the Murder of Karen gerrant in Elyria Ohio . .The forth person Mentioned in the Murder outlines, was a vary good friend and a brilliant writer vary close to Karen gurrant . Ill leave the Name out because shy is well respected and loved .
I have a lot of insight to this event .I was close . The point being the link between Feminist and the Catholic Church has been frayed and Broken for year . A lot of Government programs are just a distortion of the original writing . After the High jacking . The Nuns are as sorry and shameful as a nun would be being deceived by what they thought was a sisterhood of Professional and moral women .
We do the markup in are heads about the relationship and draw party lines but , I can assure you all the original intent was to assist the Hurt and needy . The only Crime was to trust . But isn’t that always the way it Goes .

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jb May 3, 2012 at 10:41

Wouldn’t it be nice to see feminists (family court judges, activists, educators, and others) burned at the stake as in times past for promoting the heresy of feminism and practicing the abomination of destruction of the sacred and holy family?

Let’s hope the Catholic Church does a thorough job with the purge. In fact wouldn’t it be nice to see a more theocratic style government in the West. We already see pockets of Islam growing in the West. These are the islands of men’s rights in the cesspool sea of feminism and they are miniature theocracies.

It takes a theocratic government to guarantee the rights of men. There is no chance for men’s rights to be defended within any democracy. This is because women are around 50% of the population and most men can be expected to vote according to the way their girlfriend, wife, or mother wants them to vote; of course girlfriends, wives, and mothers vote for women’s rights. That means 50% women plus x% captured men vote for women’s rights.

This article brings up another interesting point. Namely this: Let none of the men trapped in the West ever say a degrading word about Muslims or Catholics. Let’s be especially supportive of the Muslims. The Muslims are perhaps holding the line against feminism better than any other group in the world. I am confident that without the Muslims, the entire world would be under the heavy yoke of feminism.

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Brigadon May 5, 2012 at 03:38

JB- while I agree that Muslims are holding the line against feminism, That doesn’t not excuse the retarded cesspool of prurient violence that is the Koran and it’s adherents.

The ‘Muslims’ you are talking about wouldn’t understand civilized human behavior if it bit them on the ass. In most respects, the middle east is nothing but hatfield and McCoy writ large, and the men of muslim regions are every bit as selfish and stupid-minded as women. They think that their ‘clan’ is more important than anything else, including the survival of the human race.

Desert Tribesmen were an evolutionary branch designed for a hostile environment where every man’s hand was turned against each other. They literally are incapable of considering the welfare of others before their own. This is not noble, this is not heroic, and if the world follows their philosophy, we will never again see any progress or cooperation.

This is not about religion, this is about culture, and the future of the human race. Leave those fuckers alone and let them kill each other. Heck, give them nukes, That way they can do the job with proper thoroughness.

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