Comment of the Week — A Life Not Worth Living

by W.F. Price on April 5, 2012

[Editor: The following comment, posted by walking in hell, is an example of what can happen in a "no-fault" divorce. It isn't the most likely outcome, but a considerable number of divorces do end this way, so whether the story is real or not it is accurate depiction of many men's lives.]

A life not worth living

It has been seven years since my wife move 500 miles away with my almost three year old son one day when I was at work; and my 500 mile trips to try to reconcile our family eventually proved futile.

Our marriage lasted almost ten years. We waited seven years to have our first child. Our son was completely planned and welcomed. I was a doting and loving father and I spent every day and weekend with my son.

After the divorce, the courts allowed me to see my son two weekends per month from 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM. I was allowed one phone call per week. The courts allowed his mother to keep him 500 miles away; I had to travel 500 miles to see him. I was ordered to pay his mother $1500 per month. No consideration was taken for my travel expenses.

Most importantly, no consideration was given for my son’s rights to have his father in his life the same amount of time as before. Not three weekends per month, but every day and night and weekend. I was a very affectionate, loving and responsible father and absolutely doted over my son. I was stripped of my fathership and made a visitor in his life.

Within four months my son behaved like a stranger to me. Within six months he was actively hostile towards me. After traveling 500 miles to see him, his mother would not show up with him. His mother was alienating him from me. Within seven months I lost my job. After being a victim of a terrible wife and a corrupt court system, I realized the situation was hopeless; I walked away.

Even though she destroyed 70 percent of the relationship between my son and I, I am the one being blamed for abandonment.

I thought I could begin a new life; but seven years later the pain remains. My pain over missing my son; the pain over how my son must feel; the pain over the disadvantages that my son has. Pain over a career that has been trashed. Pain over huge child support debts that can never be repaid. Pain over a life where I will never be able to have any sort of financial security or retirement. Pain over the fact that I will never know my grandchildren. Pain over excruciating loneliness.

The worst times are weekends and holidays. Weekends and holidays were mine and my son’s best times together. When I see fathers with sons I feel an overwhelming sadness: a sadness of what has been lost; what is not; and what could have been.

Also I am permanently changed. No amount of therapy, psychotropic drugs, or a new woman and child can remove the hollowness inside me. I notice the effect when I am around people. I used to be happy and fulfilled; now I am empty and depressed, and people notice it and they don’t want to be around me. It is impossible for me to smile and I get no pleasure from anything; not even eating. I have no present and no future.

Am I a loser? I was an example of someone who raised themselves from nothing to something though hard work. I put myself through college; earned a scholarship, and worked many crappy jobs before I finally landed a good one. Through thrift, I managed to save a tidy nest egg. I never had any problems with the law. But because my wife became unhappily married, I am made to be a criminal, even though I tried to keep the marriage together.

Now I don’t have a car, I don’t have a drivers license, I don’t have a girl friend, and I live in a small and shitty room. I earn a fifth of what I earned before. I have a very difficult time holding a job because of depression.

I am a Christian; so I am afraid of committing suicide. Nevertheless, I often research suicide to see if there is some justification for it; some way to do it, without going to hell. I want out of my life; I would not want to wish my life on my worst enemy. It is a life that is not worth living.

I pray every day for some guidance and purpose of what I am supposed to do; I don’t get any answers.

Where did I go wrong? Was it the wrong choice of a woman? My wife was very religious and a virgin when we met. She never smoked a cigarette or drank alcohol in her life. She was the most family-oriented person I had ever met. I would never have thought she would have chosen divorce. And if she chose divorce, I would have thought she would have wanted a father in her son’s life. But she changed. Why did she change? I don’t know, but I think because of cultural influences.

Why do I write this? For pity? No. I write this to give young men an idea of what they are facing when they father children in the USA or any other country that imitates the USA court system. When the divorce happens, and it is more likely to happen then not, you will be destroyed emotionally and financially. Your children will suffer. The more responsible, the more loving, the more family-oriented you are, the more you will be destroyed.

Marriage and family is sacred and the greatest gift a man can have. Unfortunately, in the USA, marriage and family have been perverted beyond repair.

For young men, the worst thing you could do is to have children in the USA. For parents of boys, the worst thing you could do is to pressure your sons into having children in the USA. Don’t think it cannot happen to you or your sons.

Is there a solution? Yes. Emigration. Make your money in the states and emigrate out when you are financially able. Then marry and have children in a family-friendly nation and a nation with fairer divorce laws. This is a solution that won’t completely remove the risk of divorce; but will reduce it.

As a man in the USA you have nothing to look forward to. Only the ignorant or the masochistic would think of fathering children there. In the USA fathers are like tightrope walkers without netting. Don’t do it.
You have been warned by someone wandering in hell who lives a life not worth living.

Information and statistics:

States get matching funds from the federal government for every support order they issue; therefore there is an built-in economic incentive against family reconciliation and against shared custody and an economic incentive for sole physical custody.

Presumption of guilt is on the man. If the woman makes any type of emotional or physical abuse claim, the man will be removed from his home and children.

Nine out of ten times the children are given to the woman, no matter how good the man is.

If you fall behind in child support $2500, your passport is denied.

If you fall behind in child support $2500, you drivers license is revoked.

If you are behind and miss payments, you can go to jail for contempt of court.

If you have a history of falling behind on payments, you can be placed in prison.

Because you are in jail does not mean child support payments stop; on the contrary, child support payments continue and arrears continue to build.

In many states, interest is added to arrears at the rate of 10 percent per year.

If you lose your job and get a lesser paying job, the child support agencies will do their best to try to keep the payments the same.

Employers frown on wage garnishment; it is more work for them and they are less likely to hire a divorced man and more likely to exploit one because they know he is desperate.

As your children are stripped away from you and the relationship severed, you will be accused of abandoning your children.

If you have arrears, a child support lien will be placed on your credit report which comes up on background checks rendering you much less employable.

Any type of depression or despondency is used against the man to further remove him from his children, causing yet more depression and despondency.

Non-custodial parents (men) are around three times as likely to commit suicide then the rest of the population.

Men are not entitled to a lawyer in a failure to pay child support court hearing.

50,000 men are in jail or prison every day for child support arrears.

Ever wonder why there are so many homeless men? Do your own street interviews. Ask random homeless men if they ever went through a divorce or the child support system.

A man with children in the USA is like a tightrope walker without netting: the risk-reward profile is life or death.

Woman exposes child support system

Professor Stephen Baskerville exposes child support system

No lawyer guaranteed for child support offenders

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44376665/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/unable-pay-child-support-poor-parents-land-behind-bars/

50,000 imprisoned for child support

http://purplemotes.net/2011/03/22/persons-in-jail-for-child-support-debt/

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nate w April 5, 2012 at 09:38

Just like my story to a T. My kids are now 500 miles away. I was ordered to send the mother $2250/month. Welcome to marriage in America.

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DivorcedDad April 5, 2012 at 09:48

I can relate to most of this sad tale. Sounds terribly familiar.

My wife, a formerly “devout Christian,” up and left with my two sons when they were basically 3 and 1. She wasn’t haaaappy anymore and all my efforts to save the marriage – on any terms she named – were to no avail. She went to war against me because, well, she can under US laws.

My relationship with my sons was ruined. They are over 600 miles away, I see them when I can. Every dime I have goes to their support or spending time with them.

Don’t think it can’t happen to you. I have a “good” job (six figures, plenty of time off) and I was still ruined by the divorce. I was left with HER ample debts in the settlement and my child support payments are barely manageable. My credit rating will probably never recover. I was wise, indeed frugal, my whole life, and this is what I get. I make good money but my car is crap, my clothes are worn, I spend almost nothing on myself. Life is pretty much hell.

All American men — read this and make yourself NOT weep in the future. You don’t really know ANY woman. And how much she “loves” you now is no guide to her future behavior. Women ruin men casually … because they can.

My beautiful sons? They’re almost strangers to me. Another man is now their “dad”.

The only woman you should marry is one with serious cash, so that in any divorce SHE will be the loser, not you.

Don’t base it on their “values” because women have no permanent values – only interests, namely theirs (not the kids’ and never yours). They are NOT like men, they will jump at a better deal, at any moment. And the ones who “love God” are the worst, the least trustworthy.

Under ANY other circumstances, ie she’s rich (and I mean she is an heiress with many millions, not “she has a good job”) and has lots to lose, don’t marry. It really is that simple.

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American April 5, 2012 at 10:08

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Raj April 5, 2012 at 10:29

DivorcedDad wrote:
Don’t base it on their “values” because women have no permanent values – only interests, namely theirs (not the kids’ and never yours). They are NOT like men, they will jump at a better deal, at any moment.

This is true. While man may be hindered by his values and principles, a woman will say anything and do anything to get what they want. Women are amoral. As long as it feels good, they will do it and victimhood feels great and is an important goal in their lives.

I used to think women are cold and calculating but i’ve come to realize that the correct terms are hedonist, stupid and naive. For them truth is what feels good, instead of the other way around.

The powers that the west has given its women is suicidal.

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nigeles175d April 5, 2012 at 10:46

Thankyou for posting this. It exposes the damage that cannot be undone. I have also been abandoned and alone, walking in Hell for almost fifteen years now. I have tried to find a purpose in volunteering in homeless centres and drug rehabilitation centres and I can confirm that they are occupied entirely by men who have been divorced and had their children, homes and careers taken from them. Society continues to punish the best men, and nobody cares, because they are men.

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ScottA April 5, 2012 at 10:48

If you have kids and are still married and haven’t read this piece by Keoni Galt, you’re doing yourself a disservice

http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2011/10/mutually-assured-destruction.html

My advice to the poor guy. She’s the soviet union and she’s already launched her missiles. Launch yours and make her life miserable.

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van Rooinek April 5, 2012 at 10:55

My wife, a formerly “devout Christian,” up and left…

If it’s any consolation to you, she’s going to hell.

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Georice81 April 5, 2012 at 11:20

I feel sad for what happened to you brother.

What is scary is that even so called Christian women appear to be quite vulnerable to the ways of the world. The church no longer believes in discipline within its ranks as Paul said it should. Instead churches are paralyzed by fear from offending the women especially those that are divorced. Instead of standing for what is right, churches are doing the practical and pragmatic thing of letting anyone be what they want to be without any consequences.

I believe in Grace but there has to be repentance. Sadly enough churches allow cruel divorced or about to be divorced women into its ranks without questioning what they did. If churches were truly committed to the Word of God, they would be making sure that Paul’s admonition that a divorce woman can not marry another man be heeded. A lot of hurt would be avoided in our families, churches and communities if this was the case.

I am still a romantic at heart and would like to be married. Yet, how can one tell if that nice lady at the church will stick with one through sickness and in health? Will she leave at the slightest problem?

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Craig Himself April 5, 2012 at 11:21

Thank you for this. You might have just saved my life.

The part that I’m ready to cry over is the fact they can take my passport for $2500. That’s it. I’ve had it. No more.

I mean look, I DEFINITELY have my own personal damage. You can bet your butt on that. But. The fact that the USA turns into East Germany the very instant when the mother of your children decides it will… that’s just too fucking much.

If women are attracted to power, autonomy and capability, and are naturally compelled to punish the opposite of those things… then signing marriage papers looks like a death sentence because you’re instantly making yourself dog meat in her eyes.

I know there’s more to the story than this. I know that love is a real thing. But dammit, there’s also such a thing as being fucking responsible — for yourself and your bride and your kids — and taking pains to not set yourself for failure. We can’t beat the system, but we can try not to act like idiots.

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Jack April 5, 2012 at 11:42

“Then marry and have children in a family-friendly nation and a nation with fairer divorce laws.”

Many men believe that South America nations satisfy those requirements. They don’t seem to be aware that those nations are undergoing transformations of their laws and culture for the worse. Those nations are not the idyllic places men wish them to be because they have been heavily influenced by American culture and Western laws. In fact, from Mexico to Brazil, feminist legislators have been passing laws that satisfy the vagaries of women, to the detriment of men and their families. Moreover, some of these nations have become feminazi paradises: divorce rates of over 40%, rising incarcerations of men (as a proportion of the total population), unpenalized adultery by women, polarized behaviour of young men (thuggish or feeble), among others. If you’re looking for a long-term relationship in South America, be aware of the current environment.

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keyster April 5, 2012 at 12:01

“Employers frown on wage garnishment; it is more work for them and they are less likely to hire a divorced man and more likely to exploit one because they know he is desperate.”

I can verify this is true.
When I was a small business owner I asked every interviewee if they had any wage garnishments I could expect to have to manage. If they said said “yes”, I wouldn’t hire them. I didn’t have the time and wherewithall to deal every month with yet one more task.

What happens is that the county government sends the employer a payment booklet that he has to use to mail the employees payment for him every month, like a bill. This is after re-directing some of his income into a separate account, paying it as an expense, etc. and so forth…just a major accounting hassle.

I had a mexican guy working for me who told me he didn’t have garnishments and 2 months later the county tracked ME down and told ME I would have to make HIS child support payemts for HIM or risk going to jail MYSELF for contempt. I kid you not!

I later fired him, (he was late almost everyday).
He told me his kids (2nd brood from another marriage) were impossible to get up in the morning, and that I wouldn’t understand because I never had any kids….(shaming the lowly MGTOW). His first wife took his kids back to Mexico, but the county was still collecting for her and sending her the money there. Amazing!

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Ryu April 5, 2012 at 12:02

Not bad.

But again, not good in the long run. Feminism is going international. Brazil is seeing it, South America, Eastern Europe. Even Southeast Asia. Give him another 20 years wherever he goes and it’s be like the US today.

He can cut and run if he likes. Some people run from the sound of battle. This is the front lines. We will solve the problems of feminism here first. This is the belly of the beast and I will be here.

Men are supposed to be problem solvers. That is the rumor. Fuck the system. If you don’t like it, then come up with something better and build it.

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W.F. Price April 5, 2012 at 12:05

His first wife took his kids back to Mexico, but the county was still collecting for her and sending her the money there. Amazing!

-Keyster

That’s pretty much my situation.

jake April 5, 2012 at 12:06

I teared up when I read this:( Ive been thru the same thing, my kids mom would move 4x a year and every county would garnish my paycheck, while she lived like a gypsy with no accountability to herself.
My kid is almost 15, and she hates me, even though my CS money and the health insurance I pay for her goes completelp unnoticed by her, she and her mom and grandma all live in the same house, nobody works and they think Im rich. Ive tried to bridge the gap, I get yelled at, screamed at, threatened when I ask to use my child as a tax write off once every 5 years, even though they have no real income. I just keep telling myself…3 years left…3years left

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Rumour April 5, 2012 at 12:13

when i was 5 my mom left my dad and all family on both sides to move 300 miles away with her new man (who then ditched her ass). she remarried, dad lost his job and fell behind in child support. mom remarried and put the screws to dad to get him to let her new man adopt us. i stayed until 17 and then moved back home. my dad and i have had a good relationship ever since. mom will wind up alone and in poverty. sad, but she did it to herself.

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LysanderSpooner April 5, 2012 at 12:13

DON’T EVER GIVE UP.

I am 16 years out from D-Day, my twin sons are now 22 and live 1200 miles away now.
My experience was similar in the alienation, but not the distance at the time, I will explain.
My “Evil Wimmin” kidnapped the children when they were 7 from the family home and refused to tell me her location. I hired a private eye who found them hidden at her parents house about a half hour from the family home. For the next few years the “EW” , including the mother in-law, and various friends, helped her in the alienation effort, hiding the kids, not showing up for things like the pinewood derby, she actually got an order that I was not allowed on my kids school premises, etc. etc. I was raped in court financially, ending up with about $250,000.00 in credit card debt, not to mention the alimony and child support liability, lost 45 pounds, I am now 6′ , 175 lb, I was not well, I looked like I just got out of a prison camp. She got full custody although she was a flight attendant and was out of town 2-3 nights a week. She did eventually find a home away from her parents about a mile away. I sold my home, as ordered by the court, and found a new one smack dab in the middle of them both. They literally had to drive by my house every time they went to see each other, and of course the boys knew it too. For some time, perhaps 2-3 years, the boys turned against me. If it is possible to believe my EX got the boys to steal money out of my wallet because she claimed I wasn’t giving her money, it was bad, real bad.
Well, believe it or not, the kids do eventually figure things out. When they were 11 they started asking to come over more, started coming over on their own on their bikes, and eventually moved in against her and the courts will, and eventually I did get custody, without the help of liars, whoops, I meant lawyers, I went Pro Se and WON.
After that the boys relationship with her deteriorated, the boys realized that their holier than thou good Christian wimmin was a kidnapper, an adulterer, a thief, a liar, a back stabber, so yeah your basic criminal.
The EX got re-married to some dumb ass fag white knighter christian freak who the boys despise and moved about an hour away. They saw her less.
For the past two years they have worked in the mountains of Colorado for Vail resorts. She sees them once a year, and they hate it, one son who was particularly abused by her can hardly be in a car with her for literally a few minutes before he wants to either punch her in the face or get the hell out of the vehicle.
In the summers they have come home, stayed with Dad, but pretty much avoid the EX except for an hour or two of ‘torture, their words.
The boys have over the past year encouraged me to move to Colorado to be closer to them, and I am seriously considering it, the EX can’t move because of jobs and re-marrying.
So, to all those whose situation seems hopeless, mine did, I had 10 attorneys, fired them all, dirty crooks, one even robbed me of $10,000, it was all I could do to not put a bullet in my head, if it were not for my sons I would not be here, hang in there, if necessary insert yourself in the child’s world, I moved in between the EX and the EX Mother In-Law, talk about a hostile environment, but in the end the kids figure it out, they figure out who the real asshole is, and it is mostly the Grrrrrrrrlllllllls in today’s world.

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greyghost April 5, 2012 at 12:16

The church is no place to find a woman in the west. Dalrock has for the last year or so has been engaged with christian bloggers and church leaders and there is nothing there for a good blue pill man. Women haven’t changed they were always like that. The only thing different is that this behavior is now part of western law. Fully enforced at gun point. Until we get the law changed i would suggest young men live as PUA to survive their natural and normal sexual needs and desires and as they become jaded assume a MGTOW lifestyle to survive. Expat to have children,adopt or use surrogacy to become a father and at all times teach other men about the laws of misandry.
I wish I had more to offer and do to stop these stories from becoming the day to day reality of western men.

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Anonymous age 69 April 5, 2012 at 12:32

Mexico is not in South America.

Also, those who do not understand from where comes the power of feminism, tend to come to totally false conclusions about the universality of feminism, based on a few impotent laws.

You can pass millions of feminist laws and still not have a misandrist society. There is one thing missing which essentially nullifies feminist laws.

For women to have total power in a society, they must have a substitute husband, period. Women must know for many years as they grow up that the government will give them a check if they are a cheap slut with no husband.

Only then do they start acting out openly and brazenly against men.

Mexico does have some feminist laws. No fault divorce but only in Mexico City, which is controlled by the Marxist party. Mexico City also has abortion on demand until three months, and they do examine women very closely to make sure they are within the three months.

They also have DV laws.

But, in the end, if a women screws over her man, there is a good chance she and her kids will soon be on the street begging. Or knocking on her father’s door begging to be taken in. No welfare, at least not enough to be recognizable as welfare. The only program I have heard of gives a woman $50 a month, that is fifty dollars USD a month, period. Elderly people get the same $50 a month.

All the social expenses in Mexico come from the gross sales of petroleum by Pemex, and they are running out of money for social purposes. There is no money to support women who deliberately dump good husbands, nor is there any cultural support for such a thing. There is no welfare program. There is not going to be any welfare program. And, thus feminist laws have no real power to convince women to treat men like crap, as they do in the US.

My best friend tells me she knows women who called the cops when their husbands slapped them. The cops take him off to jail. About three days later, she runs out of food and there is no food bank, no welfare check on tap. So, she runs down to the cops and begs them to let him out so he can work and support them. Then, she hides under the bed because she knows what his first order of business will be. And, never again does she call the cops when he slaps her.

Unlike you, I prefer not to write about things I know nothing about. However, I suspect a number of countries in Central America (a strange place a bit north of South America, sarcasm intended) which are so poor they will have no feminist power. Nicaragua; Honduras; Guatemala; El Salvador, and any other poor countries in that region. (Avoid Belize like the plague, it is part of the Anglosphere, and they do speak English there.)

I am not writing this just to prove you are wrong, though that is easy enough. The suicide rate among men explodes among divorced men. The last thing they need to hear is, “There is no escape. It is the same everywhere.” When you write that Bravo Sierra, you are taking away any hope they might have.

PLEASE! STOP! IT!

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Anonymous age 69 April 5, 2012 at 12:36

>>I just keep telling myself…3 years left…3years left

Better talk to a local FRA group or an attorney. If she goes to college, it can go on much longer.

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Oddsock April 5, 2012 at 12:37
Anonymous age 69 April 5, 2012 at 12:48

One of my favorite stories which demonstrates how male friendly Mexico is, was printed in the NYT some time ago. A dearie journalist really tried to dump on Mexico as an anti-women nation. Which it probably is, heh, heh.

A married couple in Mexico City some years ago went their separate ways. The man had a successful business, and he agreed to pay her $1500 USD a month, if she would go away and live away from him. I am confident his lifestyle included lots of young poon. That money is substantial for a woman alone in Mexico City.

The Marxist party passed a no-fault divorce law. (Just so you know where no-fault comes from.)Feminists urged her to file for divorce, now that he couldn’t stop her.

He quickly transferred the business to his brother. The judge ordered him to pay, not $1500 a month, nor more than $1500 a month, but $300 a month. No, she cannot live on that amount. Back to work, stupid.

The dearie journalist was very angry. What she did not understand was that couple had an agreement. She would not divorce him, and he would pay her well to go away. She broke the agreement. Yeah, the feminists who encouraged her to screw him in divorce court assumed Mexican judges are wimps like American judges. This one was not.

This is just one perfect example of how Mexican women who try to destroy their husbands get messed up. In the US, men happily destroy each other, and women stick together. In Mexico, men stick together, and women destroy each other.

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Rob April 5, 2012 at 12:56

Several years ago now, in my local area near Vancouver, BC, I was stopped by a divorced-dad out on the street in front of the courthouse. It was a Saturday – his day off work. He asked me if I would be willing to sign his petition, which of course I did.

His story went along these lines.

He was divorced several years ago already, and had a son with his ex-wife. He had been granted visitation rights during the divorce, of course, and as is the case in many instances, made his child support payments to the Office of Family Maintenance or whatever they call it, even though he was never a “dead-beat” dad to begin with.

At any rate, his ex just picked up and moved. No word, no forwarding address, no nothing. Just gone, along with his son.

Of course, he still wanted his visitation which he was granted from the divorce decision – but what was going on (what his petition was for) was that there is nothing enforceable in Canadian law in regard to visitation. It was only a technicality that he was granted visitation rights – it was not attached to a “policeable” action. Or, in other words, even though the woman was in direct violation of the court and was breaking the law, because it was not attached to a policeable action, there is absolutely nothing that could be done to enforce it. By law. Wow!

At any rate, it gets even worse.

The Office of Family Maintenance, whom he had to send his checks to as per the divorce proceedings, was still taking his money, and sending it to her – at her new address! When he tried to get the new address from Family Maintenance, they refused him – even though no DV or TRO’s were involved and she was violating her court ordered agreements, it was policy to never give out the contact info of a mother.

And of course, because denying visitation was not a “policeable action,” there was nothing anyone from the courts or the police could do about it, either. (Hello unelected bureaucracy – the real government).

So, for three years this man spent every Saturday standing in front of the courthouse, asking people to sign his petition to make it an enforceable action, so the police and courts could at least force the Family Maintenance Office to at the very least, divulge her whereabouts.

He had a website on the go for a few years and I followed him along (and signed his petition a few times more over the years). I wish I could remember his name – I think his son’s name was Joey or Joel. At any rate, I’m not sure if he succeeded in attaching it to a policeable action or not, (I suspect not – I am not the most knowledgeable about divorce law – it changes too fast) but the last I had seen, a private investigator wound up getting involved and tracked her down. So he did get re-united with son after three years. Sadly, he kind of abandoned the website and the campaign after that (and who could blame him after three years).

What a gong show.

Father-custody must be restored.

Why?

Because no matter what, the courts will still favour women over men. This kind of stuff was going on 100 years ago in Belfort Bax’s time already, where he too talks of women interfering with the father’s visitation with children, and further using parental alienation syndrome to poison the father-child relationship. The courts wouldn’t enforce anything back then either.

In fact, we never even really needed No-Fault Divorce either. I’m not sure if it was Belfort Bax or if it was Daniel Amneus in “The Case for Father Custody” that discussed the real reason for No-Fault Divorce was merely to remove the pretense for judges, so it didn’t seem so hypocritical. What was going on back then, was that even if no “fault” could be found, and a woman was determined to get divorced, all of the case of “fault” would be directed towards the highly subjective fault of “cruelty.” In other words, in similar fashion to the loose definitions of abuse today, “cruelty” could be construed as almost anything – an argument that made her cry, or whatever else that could be subjectively shown as “cruelty.”

Calling it “No Fault Divorce” was quite a bit about just removing the pretense of going around finding things to call “cruel” and just giving her the divorce already. (I think this comes from The Case for Father Custody – obviously – but Bax mentions too about women getting granted divorces under “cruelty” which can mean the most trivial of things).

Men were getting screwed by divorce courts long before No-Fault Divorce came about. They have been getting screwed by divorce courts ever since presumed father-custody shifted to presumed mother-custody with the Tender Years Doctrine, at the hands of the Suffragettes.

No matter what solution people come up with, women will still be hosing men in the courts because they will always get preference, and never recieve punishment. Bax says the only time justice is served to a woman is if she has harmed another woman. It’s just the way the world works. With presumed father custody, coupled with men’s general sense of fair play due to principles, this never used to happen, and women knew that if they married and had children, they had to put in effort to maintain a good relationship with the father in order to maintain a relationship with their children.

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TFH April 5, 2012 at 13:04

There is, of course, this Canadian man, who saw the risks, skipped the woman altogether, and hired a surrogate :

http://www.parentcentral.ca/parent/newsfeatures/article/1038283–single-man-wanted-a-child-hired-a-surrogate-had-a-baby

He is only 28 too. Perhaps more men will copy him.

Perhaps we can reach out to him and encourage him, given how much hate he must be receiving.

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greyghost April 5, 2012 at 13:20

TFH
That story needs to be more common and something men need to learn to do to become fathers. The guy didn’t spend any more than I have “happily ” married to have children. And he is not walking the tightrope either. I do envy the man. I chose the path I did to fatherhood out of ignorance. More men need to get the red pill.

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Ronin April 5, 2012 at 13:24

If there’s one word that exemplify the red pill, hypergamy is it. Every boy and man alive must become familiar with this word. Once part of ones lexicon, it utterly eradicate the mystery of women’s behavior.

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Towgunner April 5, 2012 at 13:32

This just makes me sick. Time to take the MRM mainstream.

Look you all know where I stand on homosexuality, so, brace yourself. After listening to the great woman speak out against the abuses of the system because of money, what do we have? We have our own supposedly government of the people destroying nuclear families. But wait, it doesn’t stop there. So long as you are gay, you’ll get the full support and blessing of the government. As a child of a divorced family it is abundantly clear – two parents, mom and dad, husband and wife, man and women…anything else is an affront against the child!

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Annonymous April 5, 2012 at 13:44

Men who talk a good game against this system and against females, must first assess and screen themselves, their own jobs and their own careers for any patent services to misandry.

Government and State employnent in the public sectors of this society are definitively services to misandry.

Task-force, prisons, probations, military and police works or employment in the internal security apparatus of this society are definitively services to misandry.

Political and public offices at the county, state or federal level expressive of the popular consensus in this society are definitively services to misandry.

Men, as well as their alienated sons and daughters will continue to suffer the effects and the consequences of institutional misandry, if they themselves continue to blindly accept work and employment in the service or even fear of misandry.

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Georice81 April 5, 2012 at 13:52

Canada is an extremely liberal place. Consequently men have widened up and in places like Quebec no longer marry. How can a society survive like that?

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Ronin April 5, 2012 at 13:56

“DivorcedDad wrote:
Don’t base it on their “values” because women have no permanent values – only interests, namely theirs (not the kids’ and never yours). They are NOT like men, they will jump at a better deal, at any moment”

Hypergamy magnificently defined.

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Rebel April 5, 2012 at 14:04

This is utter and complete slavery. There is no other word for it. The land of the free has now officially become the land of the slaves.

I don’t know how long the U.S. can continue to exist that way, but it sure looks pretty certain to me that your country is going to collapse in a much worse way than the USSR collapsed.

I see only ONE alternative to this crazy state of affairs: EXPATRIATE Get the hell out!
Unless you want to stay single, childless and utterly alone for the rest of your lives, for God’s sake, do not stay in that damned country.

You will live much better in ANY other country, icluding China and even in Muslim countries.

There are other places in the world where the sun still shines for men.
You do not have to live there and sacrifice yoursleves or commit suicide. THIS IS INHUMAN!

For God’s sake, leave!!!

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Rebel April 5, 2012 at 14:08

@Georice81 April 5, 2012 at 13:52
Canada is an extremely liberal place. Consequently men have widened up and in places like Quebec no longer marry. How can a society survive like that?

We will probably not survive any more than the U.S.
BUT men are a lot freer. We don’t get all the punishment that American males get. I am horrified, totally horrified at what is being done to men in the United States. It’s inhuman. Repeat: inhuman.

If we go down the drain, and I am sure that we will, we will still keep much more sweet freedom than our poor American neighbours and friends. I pity American men with all my heart. I truly do.

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Oddsock April 5, 2012 at 14:18

Rebel

“Canada is an extremely liberal place.”

Many sheep out their ?

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James April 5, 2012 at 14:58

Once again, WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING YOUR CRIMINAL EX WIFE TO EXTORT MONEY FROM YOU KNOWN AS CHILD SUPPORT?

You can lawfully deny paying this.

And if you don’t want to do that? Well then just fucking leave the country and go to Asia and then the government can’t fuck with you.

Really, I am so amazed at how pathetic men are, they will ALLOW themselves to be criminally abused like this.

NO MAN WITH BALLS WOULD GIVE HIS EVIL EX WIFE EVEN A SINGLE PENNY.

Better to live as a permanent ex-pat in Asia than to allow evil women to commit CRIMES against you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Boxer April 5, 2012 at 15:00

I am horrified, totally horrified at what is being done to men in the United States. It’s inhuman. Repeat: inhuman.

You have no idea, mate.

One of my students got back from a harrowing tour in Iraq, and was met at the airport by the sheriff who took him to jail for child support.

He was employed with a great salary, on reserve status in his military unit. When he got called up to go serve he did not hesitate, but had to take a much lower military stipend. Naturally, the arrears piled up for the year he was over there, and the mangina judges would not lower it. When he got back with his unit he lost his good job because he had to do the jail time. Last I talked to him, he told me that at least it wasn’t a felony charge, but he has umpteen thousands of dollars to pay off to his ex-wife.

People have asked me why I like to tweak the tails of Keyster, Rob/Jeb/etc., Mikey T, and the other conservative/republican shills that infest this place. That scenario up there is the reason. Fuck the USA. It has declared war on my brothers and is giving no quarter. I am pleased to see it imploding and will cheer when it doesn’t exist any longer. My job is to do my part to help to destroy America, not to keep it alive by waving the feminist American flag, or touting the constitution that empowers women.

America is the deadliest enemy of men, and needs to be liquidated and replaced with something saner, as soon as possible.

Regards, Boxer

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Anonymous April 5, 2012 at 15:05

ScottA
My advice to the poor guy. She’s the soviet union and she’s already launched her missiles. Launch yours and make her life miserable.

God, what an awful story. Men need to understand that your wife will leave you if she can get a significantly better deal. I’ve told my wife that if she wants a divorce she can have one and then I’ll disappear. Different country, different continent. No child support, no alimony. She’ll be on her own. I’ve also told her that if she ever hits me I will respond in kind. MAD is the way to go. As a married man you have no other option.

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American April 5, 2012 at 15:08

Boxer i feel America would return to normal if these perverse missinformation and manufactured statistics Alliances for federal pork bloating, were to be called on the carpet.

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sharp April 5, 2012 at 15:10

After the divorce, the courts allowed me to see my son…

Never ceases to amaze that men helped set-up and tolerate a system where you have to beg the State to see your own children. That women are almost completely silent on these obvious injustices is a poor reflection of the female character. Just about all of them.

In the past few years I have adjusted my beliefs about the nature of women based on things like this (their almost total silence on injustices against men). When raised in a feminized society it takes time and effort to undo the brainwashing about females, and I’m glad it wasn’t extra arduous for me by having to align my beliefs with something like Christianity.

I don’t know how and if things will change, there are men and women who will fight to the death to uphold and defend the feminine imperative. Well, men will fight to the death, women will stand by and watch the male fighting and the death.

But the “manosphere” itself is at least something. It helped me and many other guys. I’m glad you had a place like The Spearhead to share you story.

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American April 5, 2012 at 15:11

This is America, different groups are always going to try and “Empower” themselves by standing on the heads of others. But When Law enforcement gets into the business of manufacturing Empowerment rhetoric for one group over the other in exchange for lucrative federal pork bloating…THAT IS A PERVERSE STAIN ON THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT.

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Suz April 5, 2012 at 15:15

Yet another one to print and send to my son…

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keyster April 5, 2012 at 15:24

“America is the deadliest enemy of men, and needs to be liquidated and replaced with something saner, as soon as possible.”

Yeah. like the Canadian system.
Much more sane there.

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Johnno April 5, 2012 at 15:29

This is the saddest thing I’ve read in a while. I can’t believe this kind of things can happen to a devoted father whose son is his everything. This man is suffering, it is real human pain. I feel deeply sorry for him.

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Attia April 5, 2012 at 15:33

lifestyle-wise — let’s face it….there aren’t that many choices left.

You either renounce women altogether, become celibate/gay, or a Muslim/Orthodox Jew.

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Boxer April 5, 2012 at 15:39

Boxer i feel America would return to normal if these perverse missinformation and manufactured statistics Alliances for federal pork bloating, were to be called on the carpet.

Maybe. Either way the status quo needs to end. America is in its last stages of decay now anyway, and dying as we speak… None of us need to do anything but disengage as much as possible, while enjoying life as much as we can in the interim.

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The Mad Jewess April 5, 2012 at 15:57

James is right.
Listen to him, why do you MEN put up with these evil witches from hell!!!
I cannot believe how many men allow these beasts rule their lives.

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Neil April 5, 2012 at 16:12

I agree with Anonymous Age 69 regarding his observations. I have never been to Mexico but have spent significant time in other developing countries and what he describes tends to be the norm.

You can have a 1000 anti male laws but to enforce them you need a competent and tyrannical state with enough money to throw around at welfare programs, in developing countries such governments don’t exist. There simply isn’t enough money to keep half the female population on dole as single moms etc. If a woman runs off then she would have to work to support herself. Unlike Anglo culture there is also less pedestalization of women in many of these countries. Even the woman’s own family including her mom will disown her if she brings enough shame to the family.

Ironically the material success of the “West” has played a big role in screwing over Western men. We are so proud that we have fully developed first world nations where everyone is taken care of, but that also means your gov’t will have enough money to burn to support feminazi policies. When developing countries finally catch up with the US or EU in per capita GDP (e.g. Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, HK etc) they then encounter the same problems we are encountering like high divorce, low birth rates (all the countries mentioned above now have birth rates well below replacement levels) and increasingly anti male laws which are NOW actually implemented because the gov’t has enough money to burn through taxes.

Its not just feminazi laws, there are many other laws on paper in developing countries that are never actually implemented because the gov’t simply isn’t competent enough and doesn’t have the money. Look at for example compulsory education laws, most of these countries have the laws on paper but if you go to rural areas you still see many kids working on the farm or only going to school intermittently, this is technically illegal because they are supposed to be in school but no one will implement the law. Imagine what would happen in the US, the kids will be taken away by the state and placed in foster care, this requires money on the part of the gov’t to feed and clothe the kids it takes away for a while, well even if it wanted to the gov’t of Indonesia simply doesn’t have enough money for such antics.

So when you are diligently paying your taxes or working 70 hours a week and “saving” in the West you are actually busting your back to maintain the current system because a lot of that money will be taxed and taken away. You need the current system to collapse and life to become more hard before things change.

“Another grave crime here is horse abuse. Often you see a Mexican father clopping through town on an unregistered horse—yes: the horror—with his kid of five seated behind him. A large list of crimes leaps instantly to the North American mind. The kid is not in a governmentally sanctioned horse seat. He is not wearing a helmet. The father is not wearing a helmet. The horse is not wearing a helmet. The horse is not wearing a diaper. The horse does not have a parade permit. The horse doesn’t have turn signals. The father does not have a document showing that he went to a governmentally approved school and therefore knows how to operate a horse, which he has been doing since he was six years old.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Crime.shtml

“Mexico is said, horribly correctly, to have a very low average level of education. It’s just a fact. From my bedroom window in the morning, I can see kids riding bareback into the mountains to care for goats. They don’t go to school.. This isn’t governmental policy, but it’s how things are.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/PhysBook.shtml

I am sure by Mexican law these kids are supposed to be in school but no one implements it just like many feminazi laws are also not implemented though they exist on paper.

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Ben Willard April 5, 2012 at 16:16

Not much different in the U.K. Not only did I have to buy my ex-wife a house clear and free (while I’m now mortgaged to the hilt once more), but I also get whacked by the CSA every month. And she complains that the children “only have old clothes”. I’d love to know what she spends her money on.

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Johnycomelately April 5, 2012 at 16:40

Neil, +1 pure gold
“The kid is not in a governmentally sanctioned horse seat. He is not wearing a helmet. The father is not wearing a helmet. The horse is not wearing a helmet. The horse is not wearing a diaper. The horse does not have a parade permit. The horse doesn’t have turn signals. The father does not have a document showing that he went to a governmentally approved school and therefore knows how to operate a horse, which he has been doing since he was six years old.”

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sharp April 5, 2012 at 16:47

James is right.
Listen to him, why do you MEN put up with these evil witches from hell!!!
I cannot believe how many men allow these beasts rule their lives.

I will say that on an individual level it was ultimately his responsibility for not understanding the depth of depravity the average woman is capable of sinking to. He probably had women on a pedestal like many men, etc etc. Perhaps aspects of his Christian beliefs didn’t help.

But it definitely isn’t his fault individually that we live in a Police State that treats men as less than human, and steals his children, money, freedom and dignity. There’s very little he can do with a gun pointed at his head by the corrupt State. And it isn’t his fault that women on the whole are almost universally silent as these injustices happen against men.

(BTW, I have a comment above still in moderation. Sometimes I clean up my cookies and end up in moderation purgatory. My brilliant comments need to see the light of day. I’m kidding. No I’m not.)

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James April 5, 2012 at 17:16

Ben wrote:
“Not much different in the U.K. Not only did I have to buy my ex-wife a house clear and free (while I’m now mortgaged to the hilt once more), but I also get whacked by the CSA every month. And she complains that the children “only have old clothes”. I’d love to know what she spends her money on.”

Ben, if you had any self dignity, you would REFUSE to give your bitch ex wife even a single penny.

And if that means that you have to LEAVE the UK to do so, then why not? If you go to Asia, the government can’t touch you over there. And also, with all of the money you save from these bullshit support payments, you could live nicely in Asia on.

Really, you western men are pathetic for putting up with this shit.

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Neil April 5, 2012 at 17:19

I wanted to add, people think America is the “land of the free”, yes in some aspects it is like in economic freedom (though HK and Singapore are probably better now) or firearms laws but in many other cases it is a repressive place.

In many of these developing countries you won’t have people suspecting you to be a pedo just because you stand near a kids playground or play around with them, you won’t have people living in constant paranoia about crime behind locked doors at least in most Asian countries, you will see kids playing around on the streets and such without the boogeyman of evil male pedophile out to get them.

Life is hard especially if you are the underclass but at least you can still be a man in your own house instead of a castrated poodle being ordered around by your wife.

In one of these countries I was in, I heard of some guy who slapped his wife and kicked her out after she kept nagging him while punching him on the chest. They have draconian DV laws there ON PAPER but do you think she went to the cops?

No she ran off to her parents home who told took her in but told her that after marriage a woman belongs with her husband not her previous birth family, they also had her unmarried sisters still at home and this might have damaged their own marriage prospects. I am guessing the parents, especially the mom shamed her for what she did. So a day later she calls up her husband and begs him to come pick her up after admitting that she was also in the wrong and apologized. He went and picked her up, last I heard of them they were still married 6 years later with 2 kids and getting along better. This guy was a laborer in a third world country so life for him was very hard but at least he could come home and still be a man.

You want to know why she didn’t go to the cops?

She knew that without him she would starve on the streets. The laws on paper may say what they like but she wasn’t gonna be getting any gov’t funded DV shelters where she could live etc.

So that’s the basic difference, here feminazi laws are implemented, in many cases there they are just there on paper for show.

Culture/religion too makes a difference, after all the Amish and the Orthodox Jews live under most of the same laws as the rest of American society but their feminazi problems are way less.

So expating can be a viable solution if you want it, if not look into joining one of these really conservative groups if you are religious (check the divorce stats for the said group first).

I saw this movie the other day called “Arranged” about the friendship between an Orthodox Jewish woman and a Muslim woman in NY over their shared experience of their upcoming arranged marriages. What a world of difference from your average Ameriskank, here is the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBNe9rJMczg

I am not religious but if you are then there is an option for you among such communities if you are still into marriage and such. I am not talking about mainstream religious groups but groups that live apart from our general toxic society like the Orthodox Jews, Amish, or Mennonites or conservative Muslim groups.

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Mr. J April 5, 2012 at 17:39

Here, AGAIN, I read of these things and cannot ever, EVER fathom how men could be at all interested in something as inane and worthless and time-wasting as watching other GROWN MEN play “games” while innocent people have their livelihoods stolen.

So much interest in MILLIONAIRES, no less, for doing nothing but playing a damn GAME while innocent people are bankrupted and have their livelihoods stolen.

I will never, ever, EVER figure that out.

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Raj April 5, 2012 at 17:51

Neil April 5, 2012 at 16:12
You can have a 1000 anti male laws but to enforce them you need a competent and tyrannical state with enough money to throw around at welfare programs

Even then it will only work if other men are willing to enforce it. “The State” is just other people. Laws don’t mean anything if people disagree.

To Walkinginhell , on the bright side your son is alive and in good health. Maybe one day he will see the truth and come to you.

I know this sounds crazy but I wonder if you having kids with another woman who does not work will reduce your child support payments.

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Ethical April 5, 2012 at 18:29

Marriage is one of the heart-in-your-mouth dangers society tells young men to walk into bravely because it’s worth the risk. After all, if it does go horribly wrong “what doesn’t kill you will make you stronger”. If only an estimated 15,000 to 18,000 men committing suicide every year due to divorce didn’t wind up on the wrong side of this game of Russian roulette.

Hindsight is too late to discover that divorce does in fact kill quite nicely. Courts are a forced game of chance where the odds are stacked heavily against Men. Those who’d like to think they’d can count on the sysem’s fairness, or at least count on their ability to fight unfair judgements are unprepared for how supernaturally powerful and ruthless a bully the government can be in enforcing those unfair judgments. It’s in their interest to do so. Having seen first hand how courts actively thwart just reform, and in fact promote the most blood curdling injustice in favour of keeping their corrupt meal ticket of a legal system in place, it wouldn’t at all be an exaggeration to say that if Satan exists, he’s at the height of his might and influence in the family courts.

I would like to have grandchildren. I would like my son to know the joys of fatherhood. But I’ll be damned if I let him wander anywhere near the same ambush without being ARMED TO THE TEETH with knowledge. I second Mr. Price’s comment that whether or not some details of accounts like this one are fact or fiction is immaterial. The story still reflects stone cold truth for the countless many who live it every day.

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greyghost April 5, 2012 at 18:40

Mr J.
The reason why men whatch sports and are compassionate about it is it is all they have. You are a red pill man. Most men are blue pill beta men they know the world is feminized and they do hate it. But there is no where to go to escape it. So they just love their football team. That is all they know.
A good thing to do is go to sports blogs and mildly red pill the comments. Don’t insult the guys for enjoying their favorite hobby, but add a little MRA here and there and some will light up and respond.

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Mr. J April 5, 2012 at 19:43

greyghost,

I respectfully disagree.

There is and always has been many things either far more interesting or important or both than semi-retarded millionaires playing ‘games”.

I will never, ever understand the draw of that shit.

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Mr. J April 5, 2012 at 19:48

…and how the hell do you “love” a football team???

Thats just massively retarded.

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Rebel April 5, 2012 at 19:50

Oddsock April 5, 2012 at 14:18
Rebel

“Canada is an extremely liberal place.”

Many sheep out their ?

Sheep? Not so many. But lots of sheep is consumed. It comes mainly from New Zealand.
Myself I’m a beef man.

Presently looking for a country with many beefs: Argentina looks delicious to me.
Sorry but I ate almost all Albertan beef (after having eaten all Belgian horses, which forced me to migrate to a more “meaty” country).

Argentina, I am told, is a country with lots and lots of delicious red meat. I love beef. Beef is my favorite vegetable. (vegetarian?)

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Rebel April 5, 2012 at 19:54

@Anonymous age 69 April 5, 2012 at 12:32
Mexico is not in South America.

Mexico is North of South America or South of North America.

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Craig Himself April 5, 2012 at 20:03

I also want to say to walkinginhell:

Jesus takes our pain and infuses it with purpose. His love may not get us OUT of shit, but it gets us THROUGH shit.

There are many many men in exactly your position. They need the friendship of another man who UNDERSTANDS. That man is you.

Jesus was betrayed, sold out for money. Judas got his, and if you can’t let God be the judge over your ex, you’ll die.

In more-mundane matters, one thing you can do with some fellow men in your situation is put your heads together and find a way to abscond. Alaska, Mexico, Honduras, whatever. Fuck it. You’re a fugitive already. Why not get some outlaw BENEFITS too, you dig?

Jesus said to obey the law and render unto Caesar, but he also said “Slave, free thyself.”. As for someone not providing for the needs of his children, what the hell, FedEx the bitch the occasional silver eagle.

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TFH April 5, 2012 at 21:12

You can lawfully deny paying this.

How?

Unless you mean not having a kid at all.

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Norm April 5, 2012 at 21:41

I wonder how many of these “Christian” women were coercde into getting a divorce from their jealous single co-workers or friends, who were secretly trying to break her marriage apart. I pray for single fathers who were destroyed and damaged by the system. As Michael Savage says, “Liberalism is a mental disorder”

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a_guy April 5, 2012 at 22:06

@Boxer and any other Left-wingers

I’ll agree that the USA has become corrupt and is now in a period of transition where it is in danger of becoming, fully, a huge threat to liberty everywhere, starting at home. However, where indoctrinated left-wingers fail in their reasoning is with regard to “cause-and-effect”.

Let’s start with history: the USA, was indeed one of the freest countries on Earth, slavery aside (I’m not going to get bogged down in a slavery discussion. What I am going to do is point out something that reflexive America-bashers choose to ignore: that at the USA’s beginning, it was European governments that brought slavery to the New World – most Americans were against slavery, wanted it abolished and fought and died to make that happen only 80 years after the country was born). That the USA has become less and less free over the past century is undeniable. However, the point of contention is why.

Indoctrination is strong in the Left – it is the only way that the Left can maintain its followers despite the massive flaws in their belief system and the inherent tendency toward absolute tyranny (see USSR, China, Southeast Asia, North Korea, etc.) Therefore, the Left has promoted the idea that, despite the fact that the USA remained the freest country in the civilized world for the first 150 years or so of its existence AND became the most powerful and prosperous, the initial ideals and principles under which it functioned were actually the cause of its later demise. So, for example, leftists blame the recent financial disasters (bank bailouts, real estate market collapse, etc.) on traditional American values and practices, despite the fact that those values and practices have been trashed by the Left for the last 100 years and haven’t been followed for the last 60 or so. When our country was free and strong, it had limited government and only MEN with property voted. As our government and economy became more socialized, largely due to the advent of women’s suffrage, leftists blamed the inevitable failure on the principles in place BEFORE the socialization occurred, because they refuse to believe that their beloved Marxism is the cause (or perhaps they don’t care). The less of the traditional American principles that there are, the more leftists blame those traditional principles for the current failures.

So, to put it more simply, leftists have driven out traditional American ideas and replaced them with socialism, then blamed the inevitable failure of socialism on those traditional American principles. When you own the media as the Left does in all English-speaking countries, you can even get away with this big lie.

The horrible situation between men and women, with divorce laws, child custody laws, “domestic violence” laws and alimony laws in the USA is not due to traditional American ways, it is due to the replacement of those ways with Marxist thinking. Any man who wishes to see the end of the cultural bias against men must FIRST wish to see the end of Marxism in the country, because the two go hand-in-hand. It amazes me completely that we’ll have men posting here who hate feminism with a passion but still embrace the greater ideology of Marxism that spawned and enabled feminism to occur.

As others have pointed out, even in countries where feministic laws exist, those laws are toothless unless they are backed up by a powerful socialist government. The example was given of Mexico, where domestic violence-type laws may be on the books, but without the Marxist welfare state in place those laws mean nothing. That is the key of Marxism – it must gain control of the central elements of the society in order to control the people. In the USA as in the rest of the Anglosphere, governments have gotten their fingers into family, marriage and relationships, so now they have us, quite literally, by the balls.

Supporting ever-reaching leftist principles, but decrying feminism and anti-male bias at the same time is the pinnacle of cognitive dissonance. You want to be free? You’ve to understand just how thick the chains are and who are the ones building those chains.

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Rob April 5, 2012 at 22:13

The Case for Father Custody – by Daniel Amneus

The Garbage Generation – by Daniel Amneus

(He apparently wrote Garbage Generation first, it is shorter, but The Case For Father Custody really has the poop).

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Rob April 5, 2012 at 22:17

The Legal Subjection of Men – by E. Belfort Bax (1908)

The Fraud of Feminism – by E. Belfort Bax (1913)

Again, the Legal Subjection of Men is good, and you should read it if you really want to learn, but if you’re only going to read one, The Fraud of Feminism is better.

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Rob April 5, 2012 at 22:45

There is, of course, this Canadian man, who saw the risks, skipped the woman altogether, and hired a surrogate :

http://www.parentcentral.ca/parent/newsfeatures/article/1038283–single-man-wanted-a-child-hired-a-surrogate-had-a-baby

He is only 28 too. Perhaps more men will copy him.

Perhaps we can reach out to him and encourage him, given how much hate he must be receiving. — TFH

(I don’t want to fight, TFH)

I deeply support this idea. Fundamentally, it is what it is all about – Examine the TRUTH, take what you can from it, remove the government as much as you can, and go your own way!

The idea of surrogacy personifies this by action.

I support it 125%

The only problem is, men’s “parenting instinct” doesn’t seem to kick in until children are actually born, whereas with women, it is something they yearn for and “make happen.”

I love the concept, and support it often. But there is a fundamental problem there that needs to be addressed – at least on a political level.

There are other concerns I have – such as the encroaching totalitarian government trying to do to the parent-child relationship what they did with the male-female relationship (ie – give the follower more rights than the leader).

But as a basis for men to look at, I would choose this 500% quicker than marriage.

In fact, if men time their lives right, this can work out so beautifully.

Spend the first 20 years of your adulthood swashbuckling around the earth, adventuring and creating your fortune, and then when Mid-life Crisis hits in middle age, find that “meaning in life” by using your fortune to have a child or two.

The scary thing is, if government keeps encroaching upon us, even this option will be void in 20 years or so – the same way that marriage is void today.

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Ted April 5, 2012 at 23:10

“find a way to abscond. Alaska, Mexico, Honduras, whatever. ”

Alaska?

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James April 6, 2012 at 00:24

Sharp wrote:
“There’s very little he can do with a gun pointed at his head by the corrupt State.”

That is why you must LEAVE the fascist police state.

Get the fuck out of America and go to Asia. After you leave the country, the government cannot fuck with you over child support payments.

All the money you waste giving to your whore ex wife in the form of support payments, you can simply use that same money to live in Asia and keep the money for yourself.

Is it really so hard to understand? Why do you men tolerate this bullshit from women? It’s really fucking pathetic, actually.

You may say “Well, I don’t want to leave America”. Well, enjoy getting ass fucked then by the fascist feminist system.

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Höllenhund April 6, 2012 at 01:20

@Anonymous age 69 at 12:32

The big problem with your argument, dear Anon age 69, is that even so-called developing nations (or whatever we may call them) like Mexico are experiencing social phenomena that constitute a power shift from men to women. Our fellow commenter Brendan has explained it in detail here:

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/will-the-real-sheila-gregoire-please-stand-up/#comment-29952

Even though they indeed lack the funds necessary to run a female-oriented welfare system, the fact remains that the male-to-female societal power shift is taking place and Marriage 2.0 will slowly and surely become the norm everywhere unless some sort of massive worldwide economic collapse takes place.

I’m afraid we aren’t doing these divorced men in terrible situations any favor by giving them the illusion that there are (or will be, or remain to be) so-called male-friendly countries anywhere. If you’re a dedicated Western bachelor or a divorced man who was no intention to remarry, then indeed it’s not a bad idea to expatriate. But if you want to marry, be respected as a husband and a father with inalienable rights, you’re screwed no matter where you go.

I’d be willing to give advice to walkinginhell, but since I don’t want to advocate illegal actions I’ll stay silent.

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Höllenhund April 6, 2012 at 01:27

@TFH April 5 at 13:04

I agree. We shouldn’t be too timid to assert that men, on average, are much more competent as single parents as women. In fact we can go further and say that Western women are on average so obnoxious, so incompetent at raising children (especially boys), so morally bankrupt, so willing to manipulate their children, that a single father household is in fact MORE likely to be a good environment for children than a so-called traditional two-parent household.

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Ted April 6, 2012 at 01:56

@James April 6, 2012 at 00:24

” Get the fuck out … the government cannot fuck with you … your whore ex wife … really fucking pathetic … fucked then by the fascist feminist system.”

Oh dear, James. You’re overdoing it a bit.

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James April 6, 2012 at 02:11

No Ted, the problem is you pathetic western men allow the government and women to ASS RAPE you. It’s fucking pathetic, and men from other countries and cultures look at you like you are a bunch of pussies, and guess what, they are right.

Anyway, if you don’t mind getting ass raped by feminists, then feel free to stay in America and tolerate their abuse.

But no real man with any dignity would allow himself to be put in that position. In fact, no real man can even live in America anymore, the man hatred has become so bad. Men are treated like total shit in America. No self respecting man can tolerate this.

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greyghost April 6, 2012 at 02:51

Mr J
I think you are intentionally playing dumb. You’ve been posting that “I just don’t get the watching millionares ” thing for months it seems and never seem to “get it”.
Me personally I enjoy football season. It is something to look forward to. There is not much in this world like that for a man.(I do hate all of that pink shit they wear for a month or so) Maybe you have never played sports,but what can be greater than cussing at Toni Romo and the cowboys defence praising Jerry Jones as an owner and hating is guts as an idiot as a general manager every sunday and having the conversation with other men on the subject.

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Remos April 6, 2012 at 03:17

Stories like this are legion. Personally I took my chances and left the U.S. under cover of darkness, contempt citation in hand. Seriously I dropped off my children for the last time at the airport and she had a process server waiting there, I left the U.S. 5 years ago with contempt order in hand for missing payments after she got me fired.

I’ll never see my children again and of course they’ll be raised to think I am the scum of the Earth for not picking enough cotton for massa and leaving the plantation without permission. Have new citizenship and so I never plan on returning home but this is NOT easy…. If you can possibly take care of this BEFORE you leave DO SO. Do you have a grandma who left say East Germany in 1940? Run with that. How about any of the little Baltic countries? Get it and go!!!

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Eighteen April 6, 2012 at 05:21

“No Ted, the problem is you pathetic western men allow the government and women to ASS RAPE you. It’s fucking pathetic, and men from other countries and cultures look at you like you are a bunch of pussies, and guess what, they are right.”

I can’t afford to leave the country,I barely make enough to eat each week. That’s EAT each week, not the amount of money I make each week.I can’t afford to eat every day.I guess I’m just a pathetic pussy in your eyes,but if I were standing in front of you, I’d teach you the error of lashing out at everyone here so indiscriminately. Hunger and desperation only sharpens resolve,test mine and see what happens.

You make the mistake of assuming everyone in America was born with a silver spoon in their mouths,probably like you were. You’re the pathetic one, you haven’t got a clue.Without a consumer culture to tell you what to think,you couldn’t even wipe your fucking ass.

Why don’t you shut the fuck up and listen for a while,or at least take the time to evaluate who you’re actually addressing before you go making statements like “You’re all pussies,just leave the country. Why don’t you dumb pathetic sons of bitches just take a gold-plated rocket to a country club on the moon,like me? Hell, I’m so damned smart, I’d just up and go to Asia on my generous trust fund or stocks earnings!”

I’ve read about 5 of your comments so far and every one of them is more judgmental and myopic than the one preceding it.

Fuck you,pal.

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DelTaco April 6, 2012 at 06:33

1. Incredible post. My sympathies.

2. “If you lose your job and get a lesser paying job, the child support agencies will do their best to try to keep the payments the same.” I remember hearing Dave Foley (of News Radio) on the WTF podcast. He was talking about his divorce, which he got at kind of a high point in his earning powers. The courts then obliged him to keep the payments at that level going forward. No more lucrative gigs? Too bad. Pay up!

This is what is hanging over you even in the best of marriages. This threat. And in a bad marriage? It’s like a gun pointed to your head at all times. “You want to be free? Your wife makes your life hell and you can’t take it anymore? Think hard. You’ll never escape the court system.”

3. Someone should tell William Bennett to read this stuff before he goes off on his *man up* rants.

4. This is just a bad deal. It’s amazing anyone would get married under these circumstances. Lifelong financial obligation is quite a gamble.

5. Keep your chin up. You are an articulate, thoughtful guy and things are bound to improve somehow. Hang in there.

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James April 6, 2012 at 08:12

Eighteen,

It is every man’s duty to do as he sees fit. If you can’t afford to leave America, maybe you should try to really cut down your expenses more?

Hell, even move back in with your parents or with some friend for 3 months and work and save up every last penny. That should be enough to buy you a one way ticket out.

Regardless, you DID NOT READ MY COMMENT CLEARLY.

I said “If you are ALREADY paying a shitload of money in support, then WHY THE FUCK NOT JUST STOP PAYING THAT MONEY TO THE BITCH AND SAVE IT UP INSTEAD AND USE THAT SAME MONEY TO LEAVE AMERICA?”

That is quite a logical proposal. But you MRA guys are such pussies that you whine all day about feminism, but you won’t even do the slightest thing in real life to help fight it.

I created the Boycott American Women blog and it reached millions of people.

What have YOU done? If you have done something similar to the level of what I have done? THEN you have a right to judge me. If not, then shut the fuck up and quit being jealous of those who have done far more than you.

Fact is, I have done far more than all of you pathetic MRA faggots combined in just ONE YEAR. I reached millions of men, got of a few nationanl radio shows, got featured on many top news sites.

Has ANYONE here done anything remotely similar? I highly doubt it.

You MRA people are a disgrace to the male gender. You know the truth about feminism and yet you refuse to do anything to spread that truth.

As for your threats, “if you were right here in front of me”, guess what asshole? You won’t be fucking with me, because I have taken 5 years of hand to hand combat training. So if you think you are going to be able to defeat me in a physical confrontation, you got another thing coming, asshole.

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James April 6, 2012 at 10:37

Eighteen,
Peter Nolan is a man who is actually DOING something. He got himself a world passport more than TWO YEARS AGO. He has presented it in London, Stanstead, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Dublin and Sydney and demanded to be allowed to pass using it.

In each case he was denied. So THEN he presented his Australian Passport and was allowed to pass. He has THEN written to Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Angela Merkel and Ban ki-Moon to challenge the lawfulness of not being allowed to pass on the WP.

They ignored him so he THEN issued affidavits to David Cameron and Angela Merkel to invite them to prove they or their agents could stop him. No answer. So he THEN issued default judgments.

He THEN went into Stuttgart and created an incident so as to be asked to discuss this in private. He spent THREE HOURS with the border patrol guys outlining the criminality of the Australian government. They found his video of his court meeting and he explained to them how David Dunkley committed the crime of impersonating a magistrate. He told them the entire parliament has been informed of this crime and have refused to act. He told them that Julia Gillard is the new Adolph Hitler and that Australia is sliding into a police state. He told them they are the new Nazis. He told them that concentration camps are being built and offered to show them videos of this.

He was told that he would have a court meeting organised inside a month where he could “tell it to the judge”. Peter then served his MOUNTAIN of documents onto the head of Stuttgart border patrol that shows Angela Merkel in lawful dishonour and said “PLEASE, I WANT TO TELL IT TO THE JUDGE”.

They went quiet for MONTHs…and finally a notice has arrived proposing a court meeting 8 months later!! I guess they figured that he would be somewhere else and could not make it, eh?

So now he has the opportunity to video record a court meeting in Germany and demand to see the evidence that the world passport is not acceptable and that his claim of right has been rebutted.

The World Service Authority has issued a letter to Angela Merkel pointing out the specific legislation that REQUIRES German border patrol accept the passport and this has been presented to Angela Merkel.

If Peter is successful then he will be able to provide the service of issuing world passports along with the Law Services to back that up if the traveller is stopped.

This is a dedicated effort over TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

He has called for men in this place to help him over and over again. Just write letters. Make noise about the world passport.

And what have you pussies done? All you have done is say “that will never work”. I have been watching it from here.

THAT is how you HELP a man who has done more for MRA/MRM than ANY other man because HE GAVE YOU THE REMEDY. It is not HIS RESPONSIBITY if men IGNORE THE REMEDY.

Because men have HATED ON HIM rather than helping him he has decided to put access to his skills on a commercial basis because men WILL NOT HELP EACH OTHER.

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E.J. April 6, 2012 at 11:40

Have you guys seen barbrossa’s video featuring the divorced man locked up for child support? Must-see for any MGHOW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYb5xSd4PRs

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Misogynist April 6, 2012 at 12:04

There is a reason for my name. This is the reason. Don’t you dare to say NAWALT. It’s possible but not worth it.

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Like a G-6 April 6, 2012 at 15:24

@Raj

This is why most social revolutionaries try to target women with their propaganda. Hitler and Mussolini depended on the support of the women.

Do you wonder why the New Deal, Social Security, and other nanny-state programs got created after the women got the vote? This pattern repeats in other societies throughout history: women get the vote, the State balloons.

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anonymous April 6, 2012 at 17:24

You told my story almost to a tee.

I once had a second job which I took so I could make my child support payments and still manage to live on my primary income. After a few months they got a notice from the state that they were to garnish my check. They didn’t want to be bothered with the paperwork and laid me off.

It turned out, that was only the beginning of my present sorrows.

A month later, I had a recurrence of a chronic illness, and missed two weeks of work. That plus my medical expenses equalled the loss of a month’s pay. Two weeks later, the company put everyone on part time status.

I was left with no alternative but to stop paying child support. I could: stop paying rent and have no place to live; stop paying for my car and have no way to get to work; or stop eating and starve(or worse – I’m a diabetic on medication.)

It took 8 months to get another full time job. Then after two months my health collapsed.

I haven’t been able to work for two years. I’ve had surgery 3 times. I’ve been in the hospital umpteen months now. I lost my home. I’ve lost everything – for the second time. First time was the year after my divorce was final.

My prognosis isn’t good. At least I can apply for SSDI.

When I finally get out, I’m fairly certain I’ll be facing an arrest warrant for back child support.

All I can hope for now is to write the judge a letter explaining my plight and beg for mercy. Maybe it’ll work.

Like walk in hell, I’ve considered suicide too, but the possible consequences are terrifying.

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EpimetheusHighway April 6, 2012 at 18:51

But no real man with any dignity would allow himself to be put in that position. In fact, no real man can even live in America anymore, the man hatred has become so bad. Men are treated like total shit in America. No self respecting man can tolerate this.

Does a man with dignity and self-respect abandon his children when their need is greatest? If you don’t understand the pull that children have on a man, you shouldn’t surprised to find this all incomprehensible. For those who do understand, your comments are simplistic and short-sighted. Which isn’t to say you’re wrong about whether men ought to expatriate; merely that a man who submits to de facto slavery for the sake of his children is not for all that necessarily pathetic. Stupid, perhaps, but one cannot point to a man’s love for his children and call it moral failure.

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James April 6, 2012 at 19:04

Even assuming for a moment that Jesus was real (even though there is not one single piece of historical evidence to prove that Jesus ever even existed in the first place), he was a HUGE mangina.

“Turn the other cheek”

What kind of faggot, mangina kind of thing to say is that?

JESUS IS A MANGINA!

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Boxer April 6, 2012 at 22:37

Dear James:

As we both agree that no historical evidence for the Jesus character exists, I’m sure we can appreciate him as a literary figure, for which there are multiple interpretations.

For you, he is a mangina, faggot, etc. For other men, he might be an inspirational protagonist leading the way to personal liberation and real world achievement. We have to expect that symbolic literature and myth can be interpreted in different ways.

I find the evangelical atheists to be a little bit silly, and they often emulate the very worst qualities they criticize in others. I’m a skeptic myself, so it’s a little bit painful to see people do this. I don’t think it’s very persuasive, though I’m sure that the simpletons will dance all day for your amusement (I agree that this can be entertaining) in return for a few more of these messages.

Regards, Boxer

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Boxer April 6, 2012 at 22:42

E.J.:

Thanks for posting the barbarossaaaa video. His stuff is particularly hard-hitting and cogent.

Regards, Boxer

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Eighteen April 6, 2012 at 23:24

“That is quite a logical proposal. But you MRA guys are such pussies that you whine all day about feminism, but you won’t even do the slightest thing in real life to help fight it.I created the Boycott American Women blog and it reached millions of people.

What have YOU done? If you have done something similar to the level of what I have done? THEN you have a right to judge me. If not, then shut the fuck up and quit being jealous of those who have done far more than you.”

“As for your threats, “if you were right here in front of me”, guess what asshole? You won’t be fucking with me, because I have taken 5 years of hand to hand combat training. So if you think you are going to be able to defeat me in a physical confrontation, you got another thing coming, asshole.”

Blah,blah,blah. All I hear is some “My dick is bigger than yours,look how awesome I am” chest-thumping yard bird bullshit.I grew up with guys like you, I am not impressed or intimidated. Your self-aggrandizing crap is a front for deep-seated insecurities and a need to be recognized by others in order for YOU to value YOURSELF. It’s the most pathetic and weak mental disposition there is. I got a news flash for you,bud, five years of hand-to hand combat training doesn’t negate the fact that it only takes five pounds of pressure to completely cave someone’s head in.

You’re a little bitch that doesn’t have the courage of his convictions and I don’t give a flying fuck if you’ve got a blog that’s read by everyone in the goddamn world,you’re a self-important douche and you don’t have a fucking clue what the circumstances all of the people who you are calling pathetic actually are.

I don’t need a blog with millions of viewers in order to have self-esteem or before I feel big enough to call another man out. All I need is an honest estimation of my own abilities. I don’t give a fuck if you’re Bruce Lee,your body is still subject to the same frailties mine is-all of your vital organs are constantly exposed and most of them are protected by nothing more than fat and skin. Combat training or no, you will bleed to death from a severed artery in about 5 minutes,no matter which artery is severed,and all it takes is a letter opener to do it.

You have no idea what I have or haven’t done,and I don’t give a shit what you have or haven’t done, so that pretty much puts us at checkmate,doesn’t it?

Besides,this guy the article is about is contemplating suicide and you think the size of your dick is more important than his LIFE?What the fuck are you doing for HIM by “proving” to all of us you “aren’t a pussy like all those MRA’s”. How much,really, is your ridiculous showboating actually helping people?

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Eighteen April 6, 2012 at 23:35

“How much,really, is your ridiculous showboating actually helping people?”

In other words, if you’re one of the “good guys”, I think I could get more done for men by joining the feminists. I think the reason why all the “MRA faggots” aren’t doing enough to satisfy Mr. Big Hugecock here is that they can’t see the feminists around his cyclopean mostly-empty cranium.

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LBK April 7, 2012 at 03:32

Getting married is the worst mistake a man can make.

Marriage is just plain stupid.

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gateman April 7, 2012 at 18:33

If there’s one good thing that comes from this man-hating world is that it is slowly bringing men together. Whether it’s on sites like this, on the street, in the media, in bars or workplaces, or anywhere else we men must support each other every way we can. Lets be brothers and comrades in our battle against a common enemy.
I’d like to see the development of groups of financially battered men get together, pool their resources and knowledge, rent a large house, get a few dogs, go on fishing trips, enjoy the football together, and live in peace. 5 men living together with a vegetable garden and part-time work could live quite comfortably. Men landed on the moon, surely we can organize ourselves to get our lives in some sort of order.
It’s very hard to do it all alone. Talk is good but we need real pragmatic solutions.

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Pm Siesta April 8, 2012 at 17:28

Great comments in this thread… On the topic of expatriation, just wondering off-hand if Rebel, Remos, or anyone wizened can elaborate on practical tips for American citizens who are thinking about staying the hell out of dodge. I’ve resided in Western Europe for awhile, although laws are not much different than in the U.S.A. But I’m curious about avenues to obtain residence or dual citizenship in Eastern European and southeast Asian countries in particular. I just had a great trip to the Philippines, and it’s a paradise for American guys. Would love to option on moving to a country like that permanently. Thanx

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Highwasp April 8, 2012 at 21:08

me too – 500 miles from CA to OR and ‘my’ child was gone, gone, gone…

after years of abuse, helplessness, feelings of worthlessness and being treated like a criminal, basically my eventual reaction was to become the criminal ‘they’ defined me as. Self fulfilling prophecy – I was treated like a criminal for so long that after a while I believed it. I fought long and hard but no matter what I was considered and treated like a criminal, so I became one. That was my survival method. Unwed and Divorced Father = criminal. After all the alternative was devastation, complete and total emotional break downs, sometime in public places with no apparent reason… with no control over my own ability to function… ‘crazy.’

I was forced into parenthood and given the options of living in a cage or paying money to Child Support. A slave is given these same options with one exception, the slave is also offered death for disobedience. And jail / prison can very easily turn into a death sentence – not much difference between fatherhood and slavery. I managed to not get caught in a cage.
This slave walks free.

The depression, isolation, hatred, fear, rage and all that has to be dealt with on an individual basis. But once a man goes through such devaluation based on his basic human right to procreation, if he survives these insults and attacks on his very existence he’ll never be the same again. Red Pill.

Considering how the US has treated it’s men and fathers for the past 50 years I don’t mind that this country collapses. I strongly suggest to any man who is placed under the tyranny of the state to simply go your own way – stay out of the cage – live to fight another day.

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Masculist Man April 11, 2012 at 12:07

Rebel,if you think Canada is any better take into consideration that Canada has anti-male human rights commissions,the U.S. doesn’t. Women’s groups tried to censor Canadian MRA’s,in fact a Canadian MRA was arrested by Canadian police and that Canadian society is more resistant to the MRA message than their American counterparts.

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Masculist Man April 11, 2012 at 16:16

He probably had women on a pedestal like many men, etc etc. Perhaps aspects of his Christian beliefs didn’t help.

But it definitely isn’t his fault individually that we live in a Police State that treats men as less than human, and steals his children, money, freedom and dignity. There’s very little he can do with a gun pointed at his head by the corrupt State.

Actually the Christian guy is one of those that handed the matriarchy the gun to put to his head because he thought he was helping women. The so-called “saintly women” that he fantasizes about and how they must be protected from those “evil ghastly men”. He believes only “evil” men lose their marriages,families and home. He has given his blessing to the matriarchal nightmare and believe it to be just.

But then the matriarchy goes after him as its next meal. Then it hits him that the MRA’s,whom his kind like to spit on and lecture,were trying to warn him about his impending fate. Now he is without a family and a male friendly church to go to,considering the whore now runs the church. He is just one more cog that go chewed up and spit out by the matriarchal beast. He will want to talk to his pastor,reverend,priest but they will tell him to come back,for they have a wedding to perform. As they feed the beast a future victim.

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noway April 13, 2012 at 16:58

When I finally get out, I’m fairly certain I’ll be facing an arrest warrant for back child support.

All I can hope for now is to write the judge a letter explaining my plight and beg for mercy. Maybe it’ll work.

What follows is my opinion, IIRC… I am not a lawyer and what follows is not legal advice.

In the USA no discount is possible on child support arrears. If your income goes down, you have to apply for a revision of what you owe immediately, as there can be no retroactive changes for any reason. Even if you were out of the country at the time and in a wild area and you could not work because you were injured after a disaster. No exceptions allowed. Also it is quite expensive in fees to get a change in the monthly support you owe.

The idea is a conservative one: child support is owed not to the child, but to the state, as the state has an obligation to give welfare to the child if you don’t support it. Deadbeat fathers are essentially welfare frauds in the eyes of conservatives; the assumption being that deadbeat fathers are typically shiftless negro predators who just knock up welfare queens and then skip town leaving taxpayers to foot the bill. For this reason child support laws are ferocious: to save as much taxpayers money as possible; somebody has got to pay for child support, and it is either the taxpayer, or someone that can be grabbed and shaken down. It is a tea party/racist obsession, not a feminist one, about the nightmarish possibility that some negro somewhere is spawning children at taxpayers expense. And all men are now considered honorary negros, and subject to lynching just-in-case.

Child support recovery agencies often boast of how much money they save taxpayers and help keep taxes down by shaking down every last cent they can from child support debtors. Who are also described as monsters who use any made up stupid excuse they can, like grave accidents, near fatal illness, long unemployment, to steal money from the state and leave their children to suffer.

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W.F. Price April 13, 2012 at 21:32

For this reason child support laws are ferocious: to save as much taxpayers money as possible; somebody has got to pay for child support, and it is either the taxpayer, or someone that can be grabbed and shaken down. It is a tea party/racist obsession, not a feminist one, about the nightmarish possibility that some negro somewhere is spawning children at taxpayers expense. And all men are now considered honorary negros, and subject to lynching just-in-case.

-noway

Yeah, this is where I really get nervous where the WNs and tea party folks are concerned. They WILL throw “inferior” (in their opinion) guys under the bus — including white ones. As a white man, I really didn’t know what “nigger” meant until I went through a divorce and had cops show up at my house with AR-15s pointed at me and a so-called “mediator” scream that he was going to have me thrown in jail for being broke.

noway April 14, 2012 at 04:22

«My best friend tells me she knows women who called the cops when their husbands slapped them. The cops take him off to jail. About three days later, she runs out of food and there is no food bank, no welfare check on tap. So, she runs down to the cops and begs them to let him out so he can work and support them. Then, she hides under the bed because she knows what his first order of business will be. And, never again does she call the cops when he slaps her.»

That’s a truly awful and vile situation and I hope that nobody here would want anything like a license to beat up people because they depend on you, in the workplace or in the family.

The MRA is about equal rights and proportional duties, to roll back the female supremacist laws. It is about justice.

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noway April 14, 2012 at 05:13

They WILL throw “inferior” (in their opinion) guys under the bus

Also conservative politicians are extremely keen to get the votes of middle aged/middle class women, and they will pass any legislation they can to pander to them, as long as it is “free”, that is it does not require more taxes, and a man can be found to pay for it, like criminal and family laws grossly in favor of women and giving women much more enforceable rights than men (payment vs. visitation rights). The key here is “disproportionate impact”. Remember this guys.

People here who think conservative politics are better than liberal ones as to Men’s Rights issues seem rather deluded to me. Conservative politicians are paid (very, very well) to represent business interests, so they look for votes from people whose interests or values are aligned with business interests or don’t cost businesspeople anything. One of the best examples the initiatives to forbid the application of Islamic law in the USA: cost free to business and property owners, and some suckers might feel pleased by them and vote to elect politicians that than pass TARP and fraud friendly laws.

Conservative politicians in general are not anti-government at all: they hate government intervention and spending when it costs money to businesses and property owners, or risks putting them in trouble for small things like fraud and theft, they regard it as sacrosanct when it makes money for businesses and property owners or buys support for votes to elect business-friendly or property-friendly politicians. That’s one reason why a MRA site like InMalaFide often talks about CONservatives and LIEbertarians. It is not just Femocrats being the problem.

For example the NRA constituency: pandering to them and passing laws letting people buy and carry guns costs nothing to business and property owners, and helps sales and profits of a few business lobbies, so it is fine by them. And the NRA help elect business-friendly politicians, so double fine.

The same for female supremacist laws: as long as some random darkskinned or lightskinned [negro] males pay for those laws, they get them votes from middle aged, middle class conservative ladies. The same goes for pandering to religious voters described by a previous commenter:

The so-called “saintly women” that he fantasizes about and how they must be protected from those “evil ghastly men”. He believes only “evil” men lose their marriages, families and home.

Every time it looks to you that conservative or libertarian politics are better than the Femocrats for rolling back female supremacist laws, always consider whether that makes or saves money for their sponsors in the business community, because that’s what being a conservative or libertarian politician is all about.

If you want to make real progress, donate money to associations and politicians that specifically support equal right for men against female supremacist laws and culture, because conservative politicians have a fundamentally different agenda, and their priority is to represent those who give them the big money.

Female supremacists (mostly women but also some men) donate generously to associations and politicians that support their agenda for discrimination against men (especially against darkskinned men, but lightskinned as well of course) by any means, overt or subtle, and they have gotten big results.

The middle aged middle class conservative voters (especially female ones) are those who donate generously and ask and endorse for female supremacist laws, and most believe in the “saintly women” and “evil [negro] men”, the “women are always victims, men are always predators” fantasy. Since women vote on female supremacist issues as a swing block, and they outlive men by many years, they are both a critical constituency for conservative (and liberal) politicians and an ever bigger percentage of voters.

Try to imagine the voting situation in a few years when most boomer males have died, especially working class one who die sooner than middle class ones, but most boomer female voters are still alive for an extra 5-15 years, 50% of them divorced and many of them bitterly malignant resentful against men, voting more often than men, and with perhaps 55-60% female voters ready to elect anybody who will teach a sharper lesson to those evil predator [negro] males.

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Anonymous April 14, 2012 at 19:22

You can’t really blame women.
They’re human beings like us, and humans in general are greedy assholes.
If men had that kind of power we would abuse it for all it’s worth just like women do.

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Abides April 15, 2012 at 06:38

But a lot of men are altruistic assholes and support female supremacists because they really think that “all” women are saintly victims and “all” men are evil predators. That unbalances the struggle even more.

The Chinese politicians talk (a bit hypocritically) about the “harmonious society”. Some degree of harmony in society is in the interest of everybody, because some balance works well even for dominant interests.

When men had a bit more power, women were still protected by culture, society and law, not targeted with “better safe than sorry” lynchings, except perhaps for temporary witch hunts, in which a lot more men perished too.

In the past the people who were periodically lynched or exterminated by dominant interests were negros and indians, not women.

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James K May 9, 2012 at 13:36

I am surprised that the legal sanctions used against divorced men in the USA are not considered to be unconstitutional. In breach of the 13th Amendment, at least. How can it be legal to require a man to pay money he doesn’t have (e.g. if he loses his job), and then put him in debtors’ jail?

Not all civil liberties activists are brain-dead liberals. Surely there are lawyers who will pick a suitable case, and take it all the way to the Supreme Court, either on a pro bono basis, or with the help of a wealthy benefactor.

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JOE December 24, 2012 at 12:48

Best piece I have ever seen on this subject. I experienced a milder version of all this but I still came to the same conclusions. If your are a responsible man involved in a divorce with children the courts will use that against you. If you marry and father a child, you very likely will end up with a life sentence. Only death will free you from the life long obligations courts now impose on men of divorce. Young men, the joys of fatherhood are fleeting, court orders are permanent and punishing.

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bbbetty November 4, 2013 at 06:06

WOW! Well, let me just say I was married 25 years and never cheated on my husband. I was a decent, faithful wife and mother. When his midlife crisis hit it took out everything that was sacred to me and my family. It wiped out years of a life I thought we had forged together. I had to sell our house, leave my part-time job that I loved, move away (because I could not afford the area we lived in since I had no job and had been the one to stay at home to raise our child) in other words start from scratch. It completely messed up our kid. She was 17 at the time and was no baby to the fact that dad wasn’t acting appropriately. He didn’t bother to hide his “activities” very well if at all. What could I say? She was old enough to know. There were times I thought she might not make it through the breakup. There were times, and still are times, I think I might not make it through as I watch her struggle. But I was there for her every step of the way while dad took great care in hiring a vicious lawyer. I fought tooth and nail for every single thing I have, not just for me, but for my daughter, who ended up living with me by choice. She had tried it with her dad. He completely missed her deep depression. She needed to feel her dad was protecting her. He never did. The courts were kind enough to allow me some support. But, when I think that a partner can go ahead and cheat, heck, even live with someone else while they are still married and end up living the good life while a mother and her child scratch by. Well, don’t tell me women are bad or evil. This has been devastating and I did everything I could to keep our family together. But, I realize now, he had set up a life apart from us long before he ask for the divorce. Now, do I think all men are like this? No. Although where are these wonderful guys everyone is talking about? Because I’ve seen more than my share of women struggling to make ends meet with children in tow while dad is taking trips and going to nice restaurants and entertaining friends. Yet, these same guys don’t show up for their kids, skip out on important events, disrespect their child’s mother. Courts lean towards moms because for so very long, mothers and children ended up in poverty after a divorce. And, it still happens. Especially if dad has a lot of cash to keep taking her to court.

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