Women’s Crime OK if it Encourages Women to Report Crime

by W.F. Price on April 2, 2012

A prosecutor in Longview, Washington, has declined prosecution in a case where a woman named Cassandra Kennedy admitted that she lied about her father raping her when she was 11 years old, sending him to prison for nine years. Evidently, she was upset that her father and mother divorced, and made up the story to punish him.

The prosecutor, Sue Blair, said charging Ms. Kennedy might discourage other girls from reporting rape. Thomas Edward Kennedy, her father, who was serving a fifteen year sentence, was released last week. All charges were dismissed. It has not been reported whether he now owes years of child support arrears due to imprisonment.

Although it’s possible that there may be some problems with prosecuting someone who was eleven when they committed a crime, she left her father in prison for long after that. As for the prosecutor, her excuse would be laughed away in all but sexual assault cases where females are involved. There is no other crime for which people receive a break for making a false accusation. For example, it would be in the public interest to encourage reporting embezzlement by public officials, so should those who make false accusations be exempt from prosecution if they falsely accuse, say, a county prosecutor of stealing from public funds? Why not? If making false rape accusations is OK because it creates a climate in which women feel comfortable accusing men of rape whenever they want, then all false accusations in matters of crime should be protected.

Or, maybe it’s simply that when it comes to crimes against women, women are more equal than others. Not only are crimes committed against them more serious, but when they commit crimes themselves it is not such a serious matter. Of course, this violates the equal protection clause, but since when did feminist prosecutors care about the Bill of Rights? I’m sure Ms. Blair learned in school that anything written by “dead white males” is invalid, but that doesn’t mean we have to agree with her.

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silent April 2, 2012 at 13:49

Mr. Price, are you fucking with my blood pressure on purpose? This story, with a video someone linked to earlier about jail for child support/alimony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYb5xSd4PRs is setting me close to the edge today

Curious, is being put in prison for something like this a sufficient red pill? Or do some people coming out of circumstances like this still put pussy on a pedestal?

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Annonymous April 2, 2012 at 13:58

Gendertopia like all dystopias, doesn’t care about legality. It doesn’t even care about constitutionality nor morality either.

But gendertopia should care about costs… Because it costs billions and trillions of wasted dollars and wasted man hours, to do what it is doing pursuant to sexual ideology.

Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles don’t seem to have made an impression on the powers that be yet, when they warn that: “The sexual grieviance industrial complex has to be scaled back, to preserve the other industrial complexes that matter more to the nation.”

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Aservant April 2, 2012 at 14:02

Damn…..right now I have the opportunity to have my daughter come and live with me……she is 10 and Dominican and has never left her country. She will come for her first trip abroad to spend the summer with me this year. I am going to see how she behaves, and depending on that it will be determined if I want her to stay.

My daughter hasn’t been infected with feminist ideas. She has been raised in a conservative christian environment, and she is a good girl. But still, there is no telling that when she is exposed to other influences here how she could react once she is no longer in such a controled environment. Stories like this concern me greatly. If something like this were to happen to me, it would be on, and there would be no way I would be going to prison, any other option would be on the table.

When I see stories like this there are moments when I consider that I am crazy to even think of letting her come to live here……

I still have time to reconsider…….at least the option is completely mine, I am under no obligation. Really, the only reason I would do this is for her benefit, as life is extremely limited where she lives. It would be much easier just to keep sending the money every month and leave her where she is with my regular visits, which are fantastic. Although life is limited where she lives, she is a happy girl with a humble lifestyle, her mother is good to her, and she doesn’t lack for her basic necessities.

Should I really complicate the matter soley for her benefit considering the environment us men live under in this country?

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piercedhead April 2, 2012 at 14:07

The interesting thing about women becoming increasingly exempt from consequences is that it is precisely this that keeps them so far behind men in terms of achievement and contributing to civilization. Men’s greatness isn’t derived from being leaders, board directors, scientists etc – it comes from them being held accountable for their actions. Without this, nothing great is possible. Yet women, especially feminists, shrink from this almost violently. It’s very easy to come to the conclusion that women’s advocates haven’t really been interested in rising to become men’s equals, but have instead only formulated ways of securing status and wealth for themselves.

Since women have never needed to prove themselves in any way other than to bear children, it’s arguable that it will be forever thus. They may well have hitched a ride out of the jungle on the backs of men’s ingenuity – there was never any evolutionary necessity for them to rise above their primal state. If this is the cold reality of it, then by admitting them into all ranks of life, our future is very bleak indeed.

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Ryu April 2, 2012 at 14:09

Ah. No comment section there. Sometimes yahoo pulls that trick as well, when too much “hate” is in the air.

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qx11984 April 2, 2012 at 14:13

This case really pisses me off. I rarely comment but I have to here and now.

False accusers belong in prison because:

1. If there is no punishment for false accusations it guarantees that there will be more of them in the future.

2. There will be more resources available for true victims as well as for defending innocent persons who’ve been accused.

3. False accusations create an environment where true victims could eventually become ignored (although we’re a long way from that presently).

On a personal note- this sort of behavior from a child is disgusting. I still have faith in humanity but its difficult when I hear of things like this.

My heart goes out to the man who was falsely imprisoned and I hope that he will recieve some sort of compensation for his pain and suffering.

I don’t understand why in these cases many show very little if any compassion for men like him.

Thanks Mr. Price for creating this website and letting folks like myself post.

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Rebel April 2, 2012 at 14:19

What bugs me the most is how is it possible, in a suppoedly civilized country, to condemn an innocent father in such a barbaric way?

And… Aservant, I would suggest you become very cautious and perhaps even purchase a small camera that you can wear on you, without telling your daughter.

I find it totally disgusting that a father has to take such precautions to protect himself against his own blood.

This is barbaric to the nth degree.

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Opus April 2, 2012 at 14:19

I’m afraid it is always this way, even without Lesbian Feminist Prosecutors.

Reminds me of the guy I represented. He, was an Alpha male who shagged everything that moved, and that included one young lady who went uninvited to his appartment for that purpose, jealous that she was the only one of her friends who hadn’t so far had the pleasure. Post-coitus she recognised herself for the slut she was and unable to face the realisation of her own promiscuity and that she was just one of many, went to the Police. Her false allegation (easily disprovable) was that she was only fifteen, and thus a minor at the time. Alphas don’t usually insist on seeing birth certificates before coitus, I suppose.

Predictably, the Police took no action.

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maxsnafu April 2, 2012 at 14:21

Since this site eschews exhortations to violence I will refrain from saying what I like to see done to that prosecutor–and the daughter for letting that outrage go on for so long.

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Bizzman662 April 2, 2012 at 14:25

Most States allow compensation for an individual being incarcerated and released after being found not guilty…..

The really fucked up thing is that should he receive the compensation, he will be forced to spend it on court costs, mental evaluations……blah, blah, blah, blah…………and then ordered to give most of it to his bitch ass ex baby mama………………who I can ONE MILLION PERCENT say with ONE MILLION PERCENT CONFIDENCE……….put the 11 year old up to this shit.

Par for the course gentlemen.

DON’T EVER GET MARRIED…………..EVER…..and if you get divorced GHOST THE FUCK OUT of everyone’s lives.

Shit like this pisses me off to no end.

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Richard April 2, 2012 at 14:44

I’m sure Spike Lee will be tweeting Cassandra Kennedy’s address and phone so people can “reach out” to her.

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Reality April 2, 2012 at 14:53

I went to the newspaper article and wrote this in the comments section:

“Well, well, well.. welcome to the party! Men’s Rights Activists have been pointing out all of this insanity for at least the last TEN YEARS. Go to ‘False Rape Society’ and you will see at least one false rape charge per day- just taken from various news soursces all over the U.S. Of course for the last ten years if you bring any of this up to anyone, you are told you ‘HATE WOMEN.’ Just wanted to remind you of that. Let’s get you all up to speed – at least to 2002 since none of you have been paying attention for the last decade. The five biggest reasons women lie about rape are: 1) Revenge 2) Profit 3) To get out of trouble (usually for adultry) 4) Regret 5) Attention Yep, that’s right .. ATTENTION. And the most psychotically sick part of all is the way women falsely accuse men of rape so casually- “la ti da, I’m thinking of claiming rape- I’ll put that in my daily planner.” And the fact that so many women are capable of this. About 50% of all rapes are false accusations.”

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Lovekraft April 2, 2012 at 14:55

Sue Blair should be investigated for gross negligence of duty.

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Aservant April 2, 2012 at 15:06

That’s not bad advice Rebel………but probably, if I really feel the necessity to do something like that, I will just leave her where she is…..

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Bizzman662 April 2, 2012 at 15:11

Great post Reality.

The really messed up thing is that courts, cops, ‘therapy workers’, Victim Rights Advocates, Feminists, Prosecutors, State Budgets, Shelters….(err, only for women), did I say………STATE BUDGETS………..

All rely on Rayyyyyyyype accusations and false claims of Domestic Violence in divorce proceedings………

All of the above line up like a bunch of greedy bitches to feed off the ‘teet’ of Feminist entitlement.

So let’s look at society since the passage of the VAWA……………

Broken Homes at an all time high
Single “Baby Mama’s” at an all time high
Male suicide at an all time high
Crime from children of single ‘Baby Mama’s” at an all time high
Divorce at an all time high
Feminist Federal ‘entitlement’ money at an all time high
State budgets that FEEDING off of DV and “chalimony” money at an all time high
Male incarceration at an all time high
Abortion at an all time high
Welfare recipients at an all time high……….

Shit,

I could go on and on all day.

Look at this “utopia” that has been created in the past 25 years.

See what happens when you give hairy legged feminist bitches what they want?

Fuck me running.

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keyster April 2, 2012 at 15:13

Puberty Before Age 10: A New ‘Normal’?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/magazine/puberty-before-age-10-a-new-normal.html?_r=1

“Family stress can disrupt puberty timing as well. Girls who from an early age grow up in homes without their biological fathers are twice as likely to go into puberty younger as girls who grow up with both parents. Some studies show that the presence of a stepfather in the house also correlates with early puberty.”

“Bruce Ellis, a professor of Family Studies and Human Development at the University of Arizona, discovered along with his colleagues a pattern of early puberty in girls whose parents divorced when those girls were between 3 and 8 years old and whose fathers were considered socially deviant (meaning they abused drugs or alcohol, were violent, attempted suicide or did prison time).”

(Don’t worry about studying boys, they’re just five times more likely to be born autistic is all.)

Suffice to say something is happening, and it’s not the fault of feminism or women’s behavior in general. It’s chemical or environmental or something men are doing. Why is puberty/adulthood accelerating in girls, while our society seeks to delay motherhood (through social engineering)? Is Nature trying to tell us something?

Whatever the reason, it’s a bizarre and alarming phenomenon.

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Paradoxotaur April 2, 2012 at 15:29

I read the article, but didn’t see any peer-reviewed published data supporting Prosecutor Sue Baur’s contention that prosecution of false rape accusers, such as Cassandra Kennedy, “might discourage other girls from reporting rape.” Since Prosecutor Sue Baur gives no citation for her remarkable position*, I must unfortunately conclude that she just pulled her contention out of thin air or some orifice. False accuser Cassandra Kennedy, who is now 23, was continuously committing a crime every day the man she falsely accused was imprisoned (i.e., her crime didn’t start and end when she was 11).

*Compare: false insurance claims, false working compensation claims, false fire alarms, etc., all of which are prosecuted.

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greyghost April 2, 2012 at 15:29

“I don’t understand why in these cases many show very little if any compassion for men like him.”

Fear, helpless fear

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Brian April 2, 2012 at 15:35

A la Animal Farm, the unwritten commandment in the U.S. today is “All people are equal, but some people (all females) are more equal than others (all males).”

George Orwell was such a great author. I wonder what he’d forecast if he were still here.

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greyghost April 2, 2012 at 15:39

OT
Mien Fuhrer has spoken. Looks like the patriot act is going to be used on a supreme court justice and or their family.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/president-obamacare-191235956.html

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Aservant April 2, 2012 at 15:39

@ Keyster,

This phenomenon could be linked to the massive amounts of estrogen found in formual as opposed to breast milk. I don’t know much about this, but I have read many or most baby formulas are made with soy, which is very high in estrogen. Some scientist believe this could be effeminizing boys and contributing to rapid, unnatural early development of girls. It is known that in our feminist paradigm, young working mothers just “don’t have time to breast feed” and therefore use formula much more frequently than traditional, SAH mothers. Furthermore, I believe that there are economic programs for low income demographics where formula is either free or greatly discounted, which of course if true, would greatly increase its use as well.

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Nico April 2, 2012 at 15:43

There is probably another reason that explains why she is not prosecuted:

it’s better for the falsely accused man if the accuser has remorse and recant, allowing him to walk free instead of spending several more years in jail.

The law should make a distinction between two situations:
1. The accuser recanted (she should be prosecuted, but with some leniency in order to leave a window open for other potential “recanter”

2. The false accusers got exposed somehow: then prosecute harshly

However, the real problem here is that the man was condemned without material proof

The second problem women know that they will only get a slap on the wrist if the accuse someone falsely.

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Lyn87 April 2, 2012 at 15:58

Keyster,

There has been some research on early menarche, and there seems to be a correlation between it and absent fathers. Of course correlation does not prove causation, but it may be indicative of it. One theory is that there is something going on at the hormonal level that delays the onset of menarche for girls whose fathers are everyday presences in the home (like the tendency of women in close proximity to experience some synchronization of their menstrual cycles).

The thing is: early onset of menarche is linked to higher rates of all sorts of bad medical outcomes, including:

Endometriosis – Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences Volume 955.

Breast cancer – Journal of Mammary Gland Biology and Neoplasia
Volume 7, Number 1.

Cardiovascular disease – Early Age at Menarche Associated with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality.

Higher BMI and fasting insulin levels – International Journal of Obesity (2003) 27.

Comorbid depression and substance abuse – Developmental Psychology, Vol 37(5), Sep 2001.

And for whatever that leaves uncovered:

All-cause mortality – Association of Low Age at Menarche with Increased All-Cause Mortality: A 37-Year Follow-up of 61,319 Norwegian Women.

We all know that widespread fatherlessness greatly increases risk for all sorts of social pathologies – just take a stroll through one of our inner-city matriarchies at night. It appears to have a link to physical pathologies for daughters as well. Considering the increased health risks associated with early menarche, and the likely link between fathers in the home and later onset of menarche, one would think feminists would encourage women to NOT eject fathers from the lives of their daughters.

The fact that they do the opposite suggests that feminists would rather bash fathers then look out for the health and well-being of their own daughters.

Is anyonesurprised by that anymore?

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Mr. J April 2, 2012 at 16:03

When men become more interested in justice than in passtimes then things will change but I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

Men have been far more into passtimes than justice for many decades now.

Innocent people tragically reap what has been sown.

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Nico April 2, 2012 at 16:19

@ Silent

I watched the video you linked to. Unbelievable…

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Rmaxd April 2, 2012 at 16:31

Let me put it this way ….

You guys still arent angry enough

This is pure & utter tyranny, the actions of a complete & pure dictatorship

This is pure & utter evil

You guys need to learn how to hit them politically where it hurts …

Organise, organise & target the correct corrupt politicians to send letters to

& direct your outrage at the media & courts & judges who enable all this despotic hate towards you

You guys need to learn how to hit them politically where it hurts …

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Rmaxd April 2, 2012 at 16:34

Stop wasting your anger & frustration on each other & ppl like American

Everyone contributes in their own way, I say let them

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Mr. J April 2, 2012 at 16:37

Rmaxd,

That is all 100% true but most men seem to be immobilized with an addiction to watching other grown men play “games” at the expense of doing any of the things you cite.

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American April 2, 2012 at 16:44

I say, If American law enforcement has decayed to the degree they are taking federal pork bloating dollars to enable womens violence in order to manufacture lucrative statistics, then the very least we can do is challenge the Gender-Raunch community who are “Empowering” themselves from these perverted and or manufactured statistics.

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keyster April 2, 2012 at 16:52

“Mien Fuhrer has spoken. Looks like the patriot act is going to be used on a supreme court justice and or their family.”

Obama couldn’t get anything done because of a Republican Congress.
Now he can’t get anything done because of an “activist” SCOTUS.
That Constitution and those pesky other branches of government just keep getting in his way. It’s as if our founding fathers had a President like him in mind when they designed this government.

I hope we can move past this big fat executive affirmative action moment in November. He’s a disaster. Be aware if he’s re-elected, it’ll be women that made the difference, as the majority of them are liberal/democrat.

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Charles Martel April 2, 2012 at 16:55

Lyn87
There has been some research on early menarche, and there seems to be a correlation between it and absent fathers……

It’s a pleasure to see you commenting regularly again.

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Eric April 2, 2012 at 17:16

Price:
I agree with not prosecuting 11 y/olds when they invent such stories; however, I think what should happen here is to bring charges against the prosecutor who locked up an innocent man on the testimony of a distraught 11 y/old and apparently didn’t bother to seek corroborating evidence (such as DNA evidence) first.

The current Longview prosecutor (maybe the same who sent this guy to the Bastille in the first place), should be investigated and impeached for aiding and abetting false accusations and obstruction of justice.

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Eric April 2, 2012 at 17:33

This whole case brings up another important issue, often overlooked by the MRM, which is the effect that our feminized, divorce-ridden culture has on little girls. We speak a lot about the effects on boys, but in a lot of ways, girls get hit just as hard. What this girl was motivated to do is obviously something that she didn’t just sit around in her room thinking up by herself. She got this idea SOMEWHERE (maybe Mommy Dearest or the Sadistic Schoolteacher planted it in her mind?) Or maybe a media culture that sensationalizes sex crimes?

Her reaction at 11 is really not much different than the retaliations women wreak on men later as they grow up. As all (except feminist) child psychologists know, girls have more difficulty maturing than boys, although—under normal circumstances—they mature earlier and more stable. Divorce and feminist-instigated propaganda aimed at immature girls can break that cycle in ways from which they never recover. Cases in point: what is the competative, man-hating Danica Patrick type other than a girl who never grew out of the ‘I hate Boys’ tomboy stage? Or the spoiled, Katie Perry-type entitlement princess, a girl who never grew out her center-of-attention stage? There are endless examples of these; all held up as ‘models of femine empowerment’ LOL!

The thing that feminazis like this prosecutor really fear is that women will grow up emotionally and start thinking for themselves. That can’t be encouraged; because feminism, like the Marxist fountainhead from which it sprang, needs a unthinking, dependent, and immature horde of subjects who’ll swallow its absurdities and follow its commands while the State behaves like a substitute parent.

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Crank April 2, 2012 at 17:43

I’m not sure I’d be up for prosecuting her for something she did when she was 11, given that she seemed to have come clean pretty soon after becoming an adult (if a couple years can be considered soon). But it seems unlikely to that she conjured all this up on her own without some input and encouragement from dear old mom. She should have been threatened with prosecution so as to put the screws to her to give up mom.

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Brick April 2, 2012 at 17:51

Holy shit. Almost 10 years? Your laws regarding this are truly draconian, no evidence except word. If the same happened here (scandinavia), and I was found guilty, I wouldn’t sit in prison even a year.

The conviction would mess up my life job- and otherwise, sure, but if it was a false accusation I would make sure to mess up the accusators life too when I shortly got out.

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CyclotronMajesty April 2, 2012 at 17:56

This is the power of weakness. This is what happens when a person of incapability is put in the position of responsibility. Everyone else and everything is sacrificed for it.

http://tinyurl.com/6a5bfuz

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Neil April 2, 2012 at 18:20

“I agree with not prosecuting 11 y/olds when they invent such stories”

Really, do ordinary 11 year old’s make false rape accusations against their dads?

Also remember that she let him languish in prison for years after she turned 18, what about prosecution at least for that?

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Rebel April 2, 2012 at 18:23

@Bizzman662

You can see everything is at an all time high. This is not the end of it, though. Things will continue to be high and higher.

There is no way out of this fecking mess, other than men doing what they must do: get a vasectomy! Make sure no reproduction is possible.

It’s the only way to get out of hell.

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Andrew S. April 2, 2012 at 18:24

I would have loved to have taken the woman who falsely accused me of rape to court. We went out on a date, she gave me head, I never called back. A couple weeks later a white female and black male detective show up at my house saying they they had been trying to get in touch with me about a false “sexual assault report,” that had been made against me. They had tried to reach me on the phone, but I tend to not answer my phone most of the time, so they had come to my house to see if I would give a statement. Well, not being a total idiot I didn’t let them in and told them I would be getting in touch with a lawyer.

So you might ask yourself, how in the world did I not get my ass hauled down to the station. A female and black detective showed up at my house, a week-and-a-half after the report was made, and after numerous attempts to reach me on the phone had failed. I told them I would not be making any statements when they showed up to my house, and after their 45 minute drive they didn’t bat an eye.

First of all there would have been no physical evidence an attack happened, and secondly my lawyer found out that when she made the false claim about what had happened that night, it was so full of shit and so full of holes they knew they would have had a hard time putting me in prison.

After I hired a lawyer they made a few more attempts to get me to come down and make a statement, saying that they just wanted me to come down and “talk,” and that it wasn’t any big deal. It would just be really “informal.” Yes, my lawyer said that’s what they said. Just a pleasant, “informal meeting” about whether I had raped this lying bitch or not. I wonder if they would have served cookies??

They knew their only option was to hope that I was a total fucking idiot, and if they came to my house they might be able to get something. I’m surprised they continued to pursue the case after they got nothing by coming to my home, but hey, theirs our tax dollars at work.

I imagine feminists love my story, not because I didn’t go to prison, which they would have loved, but because there was no trial, so the false rape claim against me isn’t registered as a false rape report. Feminists live to spout lies and falsehoods, but when they talk about the “stats” regarding false rape, this may where they are at their lying conniving best.

Anyways, had I pursued her in court nothing would have happened and I would have had to prove malice, and all sorts of other shit I suppose. I would have had to have gotten that 1 in a million judge and jury that thinks women should be held accountable for their actions.

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James April 2, 2012 at 18:39

If men cannot get a lawful path to justice, then they have no choice but to take justice into their own hands.

If the father cannot prosecute his evil daughter for her CRIME of falsely accusing him and sending him to jail for 15 years, then he has no choice but to take justice into his own hands…

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The First Joe April 2, 2012 at 18:42

Strong contributor to hormonal upset including far-too-early puberty in girls, feminization in boys, plus much other ill health is a chemical called BPA, found in plastics. Oh, look the FDA just blocked an attempt to ban it.

http://www.infowars.com/fda-rejects-monumental-bpa-ban/

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piercedhead April 2, 2012 at 18:45

“If the father cannot prosecute his evil daughter for her CRIME of falsely accusing him and sending him to jail for 15 years, then he has no choice but to take justice into his own hands…”

Now now James, we cannot encourage, or be seen to encourage, violence or justice in any way. The state has a monopoly on both.

As far as I know though, if someone has done something truly lamentable, there is still no law preventing us from privately cheering.

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7man April 2, 2012 at 19:00

Men are righteously angry, Women are controlling and Christians are oblivious

For those that need another boost to their blood pressure.

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Lyn87 April 2, 2012 at 19:09

@ Charles Martel,

Thank you, Sir. I dropped off the Spear-net for a while for a couple of reasons, but I started lurking again a while ago when I had more time and interest and, since Welmer has successfully reduced the worst excesses in the commentary, I thought I’d jump back in.

@ Eric,

You took the words right off my keyboard. You’re correct – I also understand the desire to destroy women who recant false rape claims, but we need to be careful not to cut off our noses to spite out faces. We should WANT women who make false claims to recant them, and there’s little enough of that even with no penalty at all. If we come down hard on them (even though they deserve it), we’ll never see another retraction – which means NO innocent man will ever go free again. As much as I hate to see a lying bitch go free, I hate to see an innocent man rotting in prison even more. (Maybe we have this backwards – maybe we should reward women who recant their stories…) But there HAS to be a penalty for this: and since the state holds the cards, it is the state that must pay. Any prosecutor who gets a rape conviction that is subsequently overturned should face EXTREMELY serious consequences – and by serious consequences I mean things like tarred & feathered, horsewhipped, dipped in acid, and set adrift on an ice floe. If prosecutors were held FULLY accountable for imprisoning innocent men on bogus sex charges, fewer weak cases would come to the bar.

Of course the state should make full restitution to the guy. If I hurt someone, even if by accident, I am morally responsible for making the victim “whole,” which means “just as he was before,” or at least as close as possible. The guy in the story, and all the guys like him, can never get those years back. They can never be made truly whole, but there should be no doubt about this: a guy who spends years in prison for a crime he didn’t commit should get MILLIONS of dollars from the polity that put him there. Short of cash? No problem: they can divert funds away from subsidies that benefit only one sex (almost always women) – they’re all unconstitutional anyway. Still short? Still no problem: there’s plenty of money going into “Women’s Studies” programs that can be used to better effect. (For that matter, setting the money on fire is a better use for it than spending it on “Women’s Studies” programs.) The list is, sadly, endless.

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Rebel April 2, 2012 at 19:26

@ Lyn87

I go along with that and I will take it one step further: If the govmin does not have the money, they can print it until it comes out of their ears, but men who have been sentenced injustly must be compensated one way or another.

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GT66 April 2, 2012 at 19:55

Mr. Kennedy needs to sue the county or whatever magisterial district his kangaroo trial was held in. He also needs to look into suing his daughter in civil court.

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Jim April 2, 2012 at 20:21

A few comments.

First off to anyone seeing this article it should prove that all you need is someone’s WORD that you did something to spend your life in prison. No crime needs to ever be committed.

You need no evidence just accusations….remember that the next time you hear about a “sex offender” on the news.

Second, as far as her only being 11 at the time so she should not be charged with a crime(even thought she let him rot in a 8×8 cell long after she was 18 years old) Well in our country we do not seem to have that feeling when it’s an 11 year old Boy that ALLEGEDLY committed a crime….in fact life in prison is a possibility.

http://www.allgov.com/Controversies/ViewNews/Pennsylvania_Considers_Life_in_Prison_for_11_Year_Old_Accused_of_Murder_110127

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David Collard April 2, 2012 at 20:33

“Men’s greatness isn’t derived from being leaders, board directors, scientists etc – it comes from them being held accountable for their actions. Without this, nothing great is possible.”

Feminism is a cargo cult. Feminists think that if they sit in offices and stand in laboratories like men, dress more like men, and talk like men, the magical cargo of ideas and wealth creation will come to them too.

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Lyn87 April 2, 2012 at 20:54

David Collard April 2, 2012 at 20:33
Feminism is a cargo cult.

Priceless. There’s probably an article in there somewhere on the parallels. If I could vote I’d give you a thumb’s-up.

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Attila April 2, 2012 at 20:57

Sharia wouldn’t even allow this to happen in the first place (no female judges).

May a colony of scorpions make a nest in their shrivelled pussies!

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Anonymous Reader April 2, 2012 at 21:07

Don’t see anything in the “news” story about his life in prison. The hierarchy inside is pretty standard: violent types, such as murderers, are at the top of the heap. Rapists and kiddie-diddlers are near the bottom, or at the bottom. Rape in prison is one of the big unreported topics even today. Guess who’s most likely to be a target for that?

Depending on a lot of variables, such as how good he is at fighting, what groups he may have joined, it’s not impossible this man was anally raped. How much should the state of Washington pay for that, if it happened?

What’s nine (9) years of a man’s life worth? Seems to me the prosecutor should serve out the rest of his sentence, at a minimum.

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Anonymous age 69 April 2, 2012 at 21:16

>>Aservant April 2, 2012 at 14:02

If your girl stays, DO NOT PUT HER IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS!!! That is what messes up kids. Find some sort of religious school, but do be careful. Better to be indoctrinated by religious folk than by feminist man-haters.

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James April 2, 2012 at 21:23

“Sharia wouldn’t even allow this to happen in the first place (no female judges).”

I am also beginning to strongly feel that the only real solution to the mess of feminism is a society governed by Islamic law.

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Paul Murray April 2, 2012 at 21:29

In the ancient world, a child that did this would be executed. As Jonathan Swift put it: a person that is ungrateful to their benefactor is – obviously – an enemy of all humanity. To do this to the person that gave you life (not to mention a roof over your head) is unthinkable. The ancients took with utmost seriousness a child striking its parents, or even being grossly disrespectful.

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Rob April 2, 2012 at 21:34

Pierced Head,

I am so impressed at the kind of patient , knowledgeable MRA you have become.

I wish I could absorb your patient, polite discourse.

How do you do it, man?

In a lot of ways, I wish the MRM would focus somewhat more on “inner peace” in order to help its adherents better deal with life.

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Raj April 2, 2012 at 22:04

A society is matriarchy because men want it and patriarchy because women want it. Power of one gender over another is always given, never taken. Ancient civilizations were patriarchies because they had already seen matriarchies and its consequences. Of course over time this brings prosperity and thus those lessons are forgotten and the pendulum swings back again.

When things get bad enough women like chameleons will turn into submissive housewives and men will forgive and start rebuilding.

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Ted April 2, 2012 at 22:07

The eleven-year old is too young to have a proper appreciation of the consequences of her lie. By herself, she has no power. Others with real power make the choice to take her at her word, without any corroboration, and act on it. They have the power to choose, so only they can be held to account for the consequences.

The consequences in this case were evil.

Responsible citizens should press for reform in this area.

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piercedhead April 2, 2012 at 22:50

“Pierced Head,

I am so impressed at the kind of patient , knowledgeable MRA you have become.

I wish I could absorb your patient, polite discourse.

How do you do it, man?

In a lot of ways, I wish the MRM would focus somewhat more on “inner peace” in order to help its adherents better deal with life.”

Thank you Rob. It is kind observations like this that make the going so much easier, and enjoyable.

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Charles Martel April 2, 2012 at 23:36

David Collard
Feminism is a cargo cult. Feminists think that if they sit in offices and stand in laboratories like men, dress more like men, and talk like men, the magical cargo of ideas and wealth creation will come to them too.

Brilliant. And so obvious now you’ve made the connection.

In the interest of fairness I have known successful men who have little to offer beyond looking good in an expensive suit. Our civilization is built on the creativity and insight of a small percentage of men, almost all of whom go unrewarded for their efforts. The few contribute much while many contribute a little.

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ecnayonnA April 2, 2012 at 23:39

another case of yet another innocent man being forced to suffer at the mere words of a woman. he will not be compensated enough in any way for the 9 years of his life he lost. its all ruined now. its the same for those poor fathers dragged off to prison because they can not afford child support. they may get their lives back on track some day. but it will never be the same.

and the truly sad thing is, so many more men will have to suffer this before enough other men (mangina’s and white knights) to realize they are the subservient ones to women. their only rights are gifted to them and can be removed at any time. they might at that point stop being pussies and actually stand up with the real men about the great injustices imposed upon us.

Every person deserves to be free. but due to our genitals we have less and less freedoms. i dont wish to fall on my sword for someone who doesnt care if i die. i want to be free.

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Ron April 3, 2012 at 00:07

You have it backwards. The prosecuter absolutely did the right thing not to prosecute, not because it would encourage young girls to imprison their fathers, but it would encourage young girls who HAVE ALREADY imprisoned their fathers to confess.

I do not blame this girl, she was a child. And when she was a teenager she was confused and frightened. I expect children to do mad things like this, which is why WE SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTING CHILDRENS TESTIMONY AT FACE VALUE.

The lesson from this, is find out what evidence was used to convict that man, and assume from now on that such evidence in any future case proves nothing.

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ActaNonVerbaNow April 3, 2012 at 00:26

I find it impossible to believe that one of the following 2 things did not happen: 1) Her mother knew the allegation was false (maybe even coaxed her to do it) at the time it occured or 2) The girl, at some point within the first couple years of the man going to prison, disclosed the fact that the allegation was false to her mother. Any prosecutor not completely biased against men who cared anything about justice would find this out. I know it won’t happen because who the prosecutor is but I absolutely believe mom owes the state (and justice) some jail time.

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Andrew S. April 3, 2012 at 01:10

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Oddsock April 3, 2012 at 02:55

Here you go Keyster, thought this might interest you?

Indiana Governor Signs Bill Allowing Citizens To Use Deadly Force Against Police Officers Into Law

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/23/indiana-governor-signs-bill-allowing-citizens-to-use-deadly-force-against-police-officers-into-law/

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Bufface April 3, 2012 at 04:55

I have to add. The comments on this article are filled with too much rage, and too little careful thought. As men, we have the sbility and obligation to move past emotionalism, that is we retain our emotions but we master them and think the matter through.

I can’t disagree more. Its this “cooler head prevail” mindset that has tolerated and enabled the gradual societal disintegration.

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td9red April 3, 2012 at 05:28

I think the Prosecutor and the investigating officers in the father’s rape case are the ones to blame. The story doesn’t say what evidence there was that lead to his conviction. I would presume there would have been a medical examination that would have shown nothing and some coached test with one of those child psychiatrists who brings out latent memories or actually makes the child believe something happened to them. The Prosecutor and investigating officers are to blame for a poor investigation and bringing a case to trial on no evidence. She sure did let him stay in there for a long time, though.

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American April 3, 2012 at 05:29

Keyster, women are liberal democrats because thats who is buying their votes.Most women don’t understand responsibility or accounteability, and will sell their vote to the highest “Pork Bloater”.
If republicans were to spend massive amounts of state and federal taxpayer dollars on reckless and irresponsible “womens issues”, then they too would get the “Womens Vote”.

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Neil April 3, 2012 at 05:48

By the way I have seen people talk about how child rapists/pedophiles should be castrated or executed, usually from “tough on crime” type conservatives or guys with young kids.

Imagine that happened in this case?

These people act like no mistakes ever happen in the justice system even though it is flawed just like everything else that is man made.

I am just glad he wasn’t killed or seriously maimed in the prison by some other inmate, everyone knows the position of convicted pedophiles/child rapists in there.

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Jim April 3, 2012 at 06:18

Neil I agree.

When I read about a case like this it proves to me how little you need to put a Man in prison….you need nothing more than an accusation.

And also I would bet that out of all the cases of guys put in prison on fake rape charges that the liars that put them there VERY rarely ever recant.

I say that because if you are heartless enough to let a Man suffer for years awaiting a trial then are an evil enough person to sit there and lie in front of a jury and watch him go to prison.

Well I doubt you have any conscience at all and will never recant.

In the united states we have about 2.5 million people incarcerated.

93% + of the prison population are male.

How many other guys are sitting in a 8×8 cell on nothing more than someone’s word?…..I bet a LOT.

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Andrew S. April 3, 2012 at 07:19

The blonde who played the sister on “That 70′s show” was arrested for spousal abuse. Whether she is guilty or not, she’s hit the wall hard. Thought she was pretty stunning on the show. looking at that mug shot, I don’t think that anymore.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/31/that-70s-show-arrested-lisa-robin-kelly/#.T3si8Mxj4Zx

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keyster April 3, 2012 at 08:16

@Oddsock
“Indiana Governor Signs Bill Allowing Citizens To Use Deadly Force Against Police Officers Into Law.”

Thanks.
Mitch Daniels is the shite!
In other words, the individual’s home is his sovereign domain.
It’s not for the State to enter on a whim.
If some cops don’t like this, then don’t be a cop.

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Poester99 April 3, 2012 at 08:50

Child rapists get raped in prison, there is no forgive and forget, there is only a destroyed human being.

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Towgunner April 3, 2012 at 10:13

@ Eric:

“The thing that feminazis like this prosecutor really fear is that women will grow up emotionally and start thinking for themselves. That can’t be encouraged; because feminism, like the Marxist fountainhead from which it sprang, needs a unthinking, dependent, and immature horde of subjects who’ll swallow its absurdities and follow its commands while the State behaves like a substitute parent.”

Great point, and one that I try to make all the time. It’s really not a huge surprise why we’re dealing with feminism. The system wants mildly lucid and obedient automatons. This is in line with the late and great George Carlin who said “they”, the real rulers of the system, want obedient workers. The optimal outcome being a population that’s just smart enough to work but dumb enough to not realize how badly they’re getting F’d. On that note, I point to the consistent multi-decade trend of people making less money on a real, inflation adjusted, basis. Point and case: I saw an advert yesterday with, oddly, an intact soon-to-be nuclear family. Dad, man, and mom, woman…are supposed to be having triplets. Of course, the ad is for a credit card, reinforcing the fact that more and more people depend on credit even for basic essentials. Credit is another great scam, largely kept alive by willing and addicted female consumers.

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Poester99 April 3, 2012 at 10:14

This is not a monster folks, this is a foolish tormented girl, and she is obviously in great torment fear and guilt over what she has done.

She is not that, she is another budding Jasmine Richardson work a like. Or she was. Lots of ego and little to no empathy. The only difference is she recanted (for whatever reason, late is better than never, and at least he’s not dead).

The reality is that there are rapists, there are fathers who rape. Such men must be punished when we find them.

Her life is ruined. This is not a monster folks, this is a foolish tormented girl, and she is obviously in great torment fear and guilt over what she has done.

That’s was physical evidence is for, if the punishment is very harsh then the due process should be a close to above reproach as possible. In emotional rape cases it never seems to be.
Her life is ruined?!? What is the value of this man? To you he’s worthless, most of his life life being lost is trivial compared to the “great torment fear and guilt” that his daughter felt, during that time while free to live her life. Oh the poor thing… the agony and guilt pfft!!
You sir are a quintessential white knight.

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MRA April 3, 2012 at 10:33

Then people wonder why s many men commit suicide, I bet 1000 the mother set this up.

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Anonymous age 69 April 3, 2012 at 10:44

Look at the mug shot of Lisa Robbin Kelly. Sure looks like a cold sore, also known as herpes, on her lower lip.

As far as the Indiana law, good for them. The Constitution never expected no-knock entry, warrant or not, except in dire cases. And, imaginary or real pot searches are not a dire case.

Cops are cowards and lazy. An MRA in the 80′s, a NYC journalist, predicted this. He said reducing weight and size requirements for cops so dearies can be cops would result in a number of small, male cops who are physical cowards, and who will shoot to kill when it is not needed, out of physical fear.

The no-knock entry is a coward’s entry.

If they want to arrest a dangerous man, wait in the street, and nab him when he comes out. Busting down doors at 2 am is a coward’s action. And, there was no constitutional allowance for that.

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P Gibson April 3, 2012 at 11:05

This and other actions like it will only serve to galvanize men against the parasitic female persona that claims feminism as their clarion call.

When enough of this takes place, men will not suffer in silence, they’ll do what they’re good at – getting fed-up – and using their innate, God-given STRENGTHS to overcome this childishness.

No, God didn’t really give women much strength, but they’ve developed the mouth muscles to an impressive degree.

My advice is to aim for the mouth- that’s what men do.

It’s called “peace through strength”.

Who among us has forgotten this time-honored tradition ?

Well then, let them be the first to get pissed-off to the point of no return.

There will be fewer parasitic women getting their way literally given to them on a silver platter, I would suggest.

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American April 3, 2012 at 11:18

@ Ted, I know alot of folks around here pick on ya about yer spelling, yer grammer and shit like that, but you have some substance every once and a while that goes beyond yer impeceable grammer.
For instance..
“By herself, she has no power. Others with real power make the choice to take her at her word, without any corroboration, and act on it.”
This is what Ive been saying for a while here, the real perversion of justice was believing her 10 years ago. We may need a “justice council” specifically designated for accusations of doemstic violence and rape accusations, to go around to different police stations to make sure perversions in that specific police force does not put an innocent man in jail for ten years.

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Migu April 3, 2012 at 11:18

Where are they all coming from?

Damn, ever since that stupid SPLC thing. These folks are experts, and I really don’t feel like explaining it in detail. Too many fucking times.

“peace through strength”

Someone responds and you direct the entire conversation to a new reality where beating women at whim is completely justified. Then you leave and do what you do with the data.

Here is another little piece of bait.

“My advice is to aim for the mouth.”

Seriously, you people aren’t even good at this.

Go away already.

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Mickey T April 3, 2012 at 11:48

Since district attorneys are usually elected officials I called the subject individual. Tel# 360-577-3080

Firstly, I found that the name of the DA is Sue Baur, which is the County of Cowlitz jurisdiction. They knew nothing about a Sue Blair. I inquired about the status of her election cycle, and found she was elected last year and the term is for four years . Of course, she was not available to speak with, so I left a call back message on her voice mail not specifying the case that I was calling about. I just want to get the facts from her, then possibly proceed accordingly.

I’ll post any further info I might get.

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Crank April 3, 2012 at 11:49

From a more detailed article in the local paper in the town where this was originally alleged:

“Cassandra’s family members recalled to police this year that, during a 2002 trip to the beach, Cassandra told her mother she’d lied about the rape allegations, according to reports. However, Cassandra took back the statement a day later and insisted she’d been telling the truth all along, family members told police.”

So, mom and other family members were at least on notice of the possibility.

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Ray April 3, 2012 at 12:15

The behavior of this prosecutor clearly fits the scenario for “Witch-Hunting Males” as shown on Youtube. http://tinyurl.com/65dpzwu

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MaMu1977 April 3, 2012 at 12:46

1. Re: earlier age of menarche in modern girls

All stereotypes have a basis in truth, however tenuous.
When Europeans became urbanised (1600′s and onward), scientists and politicians soon noticed that city girls didn’t develop as quickly or as fully as country girls. IIRC, the first in-depth studies on the difference were undertaken in Germany, in which it was noted that rural females began their periods a full three years earlier than their urban counterparts (13 rural, 16 urban, on average.) When their diets were compared, it was noted that all but the poorest of farmers’ daughters ate “healthier” (more meat, more dairy, etc.) than all but the most well-off or “nutritionally connected” (as in, bakers, cooks, pub owners, etc.) urbanites. The higher fat diets of those country girls (to include steaks, organ meats, all the milk that they could drink) had no parallel among most city girls (who, prior to refrigeration, had diets that revolved around longer lasting foods, such as milled flour.)

Regardless of racial background, the results are the same. Desert African/Arabian women tended to be late bloomers (to the point that “bride fattening” for 18 year olds was a legitimate job in those areas prior to European intervention), whereas central African women in cattle raising cultures and Fertile Crescent Arabian women would be marriageable at ages 12-14. Ocean-based Native American and Asian/Pacific Island women (who ate or at least had access to large amounts of fatty fish and sea mammals) would develop earlier than their inland counterparts (Alaskan,Greenlander, coastal Asian and favorably placed island women were developed at an earlier age than inland or badly situated island women.) When you hear a joke about a farmer’s daughter or read an old book that details the “pneumatic” attributes of a country girl, they’re talking about physiological availability for sex (an act that even the most superstitious yokel knew couldn’t be done until the girl was “ripe”.)

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Thomas Tell-Truth April 3, 2012 at 12:52

Its Ball’s Maxim folks..When A man does wrong there are no excuses. When A woman does wrong, there is nothing but excuses.

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MaMu1977 April 3, 2012 at 13:52

Back on topic.

Lying is wrong. As with theft, violence, murder, etc., the sole mitigating factor to culpability for the offense should be an immediate and unavoidable threat to the life of the perpetrator.

If you’re starving to death and you steal bread, then stealing is understandable.
If a drunken stranger in a bar starts to harass you and no one is coming to your plight, then defending yourself is understandable.
If someone is wielding a knife, or a visible gun, or a bat or any type of unambiguous weapon and you have a weapon, then lethal force is understandable.
If you’re put in a situation in which a lie on your hand will leave you and your family safer than the truth *and you aren’t in a position of public trust*, then lying is understandable (not preferred, mind you, but given a choice between “protecting” a drug dealer and having your house riddled with bullets or set on fire…)

The child in question, she doesn’t have that type of excuse. She had a human being *thrown in jail* out of spite. Her age isn’t an excuse, even the most leery of helicopter parents will trust their double-digit aged children to make *some* decisions. Outside of the Amish/Mennonite/FLDS sections of American life, all American children know that jail is *bad* (and not “didn’t eat your vegetables” bad, but “that’s where all the killers are” bad.) The fact that she didn’t even receive probation is a joke.

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Boxer April 3, 2012 at 13:55

Dear Migu:

Where are they all coming from?

There are a lot of angry nutters with time to spare, who use the internet to vent their frustrations. Look at all the people on Manboobz, Stormfront and related sites, for example.

None of the regulars here (that I know of, anyway) cares enough about women to beat them up. Many of the older generation have been burned, but they just share their stories to enlighten those of us who haven’t and don’t wanna be. The rest of us get on fine with women in the real world, and generally just discuss broad social issues, while not letting individual women close enough to take easy advantage of us.

Most of us enjoy it this way, and those who don’t haven’t really been familiarized with history. A couple of generations ago, men were miserable mules who slaved every day to support a wife. Who is sorry that this isn’t mandatory today? (It’s still an option, just get married and find out).

In short, life is great. We interact with women, exchanging with them for what we need, and otherwise enjoy ourselves. No reason to strike out in anger at anyone, male or female.

Regards, Boxer

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Rob April 3, 2012 at 15:07

There’s a fairly strong case to be made that Boxer himself is here to purposefully disinform.

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Attila April 3, 2012 at 16:05

Luckily – I have no TelAviVision at my place of residence- no cable bill, no PC-software colonizing my brain every night. Get to work out- listen to music of my choice- look at the beautiful sunset. No cellphone either!

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keyster April 3, 2012 at 16:49

@Rob
“There’s a fairly strong case to be made that Boxer himself is here to purposefully disinform.”

As we say down here in Texas, “All cowboy and no hat.”
Hates the USA.
Hates Conservatives.
Loves Communist History and Communism.

I agree with the underlying point, but this is a faulty historical example. Soviet citizens were actually free to start businesses in the USSR in the 1920s, provided they were sole proprietorships or partnerships. Independent businesses were actually paid premiums to compete with state-run collectives just to get the drop on consumer want fluctuations. See Davies; From Tsarism to The New Economic Policy: Continuity and Change in the Economy of the USSR. (Cornell U. Press, 1991). In context, it was much simpler to start a business there than it is in the USA today. That says something about our society here, but I’ll leave it to the astute to figure out the meaning in the subtext.

The elitist urban hipster idealogue lives in his own little academic bubble, that can’t be burst. “…it was much simpler to start a business there than it is in the USA today.” Ahh, such an entrepreneur’s paradise post-revolution Russia must have been. Many Babushkas are still nostalgic for it to this day.

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P Gibson April 3, 2012 at 16:58

well then, I guess it’s just dandy that women are allowed to do this.

Sheesh.

won’t be returning to the mealy-mouth fest.

enjoy your community complainfest.

sorry that I may have offended – just a lot further along than those that cannot seem to go their own way.
You’re still looking for that next piece of smelly ass, I suppose.
enjoy the trap you make for yourselves.

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Boxer April 3, 2012 at 17:12

Dear P Gibson:

well then, I guess it’s just dandy that women are allowed to do this.

You’re fallaciously affirming your own consequent. The fact that the men here are averse to wanton dispensary of violence doesn’t mean that they accept violence from other quarters. They’re being consistent. That’s a masculine trait.

The fact is that no society can long survive with violent nutters running loose in it. Men generally have a better ability to judge consequences abstractly, though; so I suppose we can forgive a female plant of failing to drag-up as a dude and endorse what she thinks that men might say. In reality, you’re living up to your own caricature, aside from proving that you’re most likely a female.

Regards, Boxer

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Eric April 3, 2012 at 17:17

Lyn87:
I think what would really put a stop to false accusations rapidly is to start bringing to account the people who profit off them. For example, a prosecutor who trumps up a charge against a man can be held liable themselves. I’ve heard some MRAs suggest that a false accuser get the same sentence the man would have gotten—I think it would be even better to see a few prosecutors locked up.

Also, how about extending the so-called ‘Rape Shield Laws’ to the accused? Prohibit the media from covering the trial until and unless a conviction is actually returned; and put sensationalist reporters who violate on trial themselves for obstruction of justice and jury-tampering.

One more I’d throw in: Police departments, social-work agencies and public schools/universities be stripped of civil liability protections that prohibit the falsely accused from seeking financial redress for damages against these bullies.

True, the false accuser herself shouldn’t get let off the hook either; but the accusers personally are usually the lowest rung on the totem-pole in these cases. I’m sure that a number of them are known to be mentally disturbed and used as cat’s-paws by interested parties (e.g. the Kobe Bryant Case; the Wenatchee Sex Ring; probably the Duke Lacrosse Case and others).

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Eric April 3, 2012 at 17:28

Gibson;
LOL, I would suggest if you feel like fighting with your fists, that beating up on girls isn’t the answer. Better still, go pound on a couple of street-thugs instead. Not only would you do society a favor by putting them in the hospital and getting them off the streets; you could have your revenge on women too, by watching the thugs’ harems of girlfriends wailing their bereavement! Not to mention that the hordes of illegitimate offspring these thugs fathered would be deprived of a horrid parental example (well, at least one); and might actually have a chance of growing up straight!

(belated April Fools, LOL)

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Rob April 3, 2012 at 17:29

@ Keyster,

What I find kind of glaring, is that he shrieks like a little girl whenever someone mentions Cultural Marxism – claiming that we are seeing Bolshevism under every bed, and then goes on to inform us that we have it ALL WRONG because it is Trotskyism and it comes from America itself.

Well, whaddya know!

And what, pray tell, was Trotsky if not a Marxist? Oh wait, that’s right, he was a Capitalist Libertarian, wasn’t he?

Even if Boxer was right (and he isn’t), we would still be dealing with Marxism – but he somehow declares that because of Trotsky’s involvement in some obscure way that only he can see, it is now free from Marxism.

Well gee, how do you argue with that?

From Wikipedia – Disinformation: is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.

Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole.

Anyone who claims to know Marxism as well as Boxer does – especially bragging so profusely that he has read everything (it’s like reading 3,000 KJ Bibles to read everything.) – ought to know that Marx starts mentioning feminism in the Communist Manifesto, and Engels expanding upon it in The Origins of Family, Private Property and the State.

A few weeks back, when he was shrieking about this to someone else, I posted anonymously Lenin’s 1921 speech on International Working Women’s Day to illustrate how similar feminist goals are with Leninism, and he outright dismissed Lenin’s own words as a “crazy conspiracy theory.”

How can you argue with such logic?

But on the other hand, he does know some information that makes him sound smart – and intimidating, because it’s mixed with anger and insults – but he can’t debate any issues on the subject.

It very much does seem like he is spreading disinformation propaganda.

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Boxer April 3, 2012 at 17:31

Dear Rob:

I think you and Keyster should write fifty more irrelevant-to-the-topic responses, pages and pages long, full of your psychotic wordsalad, all bolded and italicized, all about little old me.

I expect good work from you two dolts, now on with the show! :)

Regards, Boxer

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Nico April 3, 2012 at 18:53

OT:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/us-usa-france-descoings-idUSBRE83215P20120403

Richard Descoings, a French prominent academic, was also a prominent feminist advocate, who introduced Gender studies at Science Po (most of French politicians and a very big proportion of French elite studied there at least a few years).

He made it compulsory for every student to pass Gender studies 101 and he has always advocated affirmative actions for women and non-white minorities.

He was involved in a scandal two months ago when it was revealed he was paid big amounts of money every month (27 000 euros) plus big bonuses (six figures amounts), although he worked for the state.

Now he died in suspicious conditions in New York. It would be funny if this feminist hypocrite was having some good time with a prostitute.

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Al Thompson April 3, 2012 at 20:49

The only way I know of to stop false accusations is to give the false accuser the same punishment of the person who was falsely accused. That would include any death penalty if the person was executed. That would stop a lot of the bull shit immediately. That’s actually in the Old Testament.

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piercedhead April 3, 2012 at 21:00

Rob,

I must say I have taken a long time to come around to your view that Marxism and Feminism are one and the same. I thought you may be interested in learning what it was that obstructed me from reaching this conclusion earlier, and what finally bridged the gap.

Firstly, why did I resist the “Marxism = Feminism” proposition?

In spite of your arguments, and the direct quotations from Feminists and Marxists alike in support of your claim, it was what I imagined to be the implications of it that struck me. If Marx had adapted Hegel’s dialectic into a tool of political manipulation, and along with a few other key players duped the entire world into following his aims, then his achievement was extraordinary, both in terms of his ingenuity, and the gullibility of everyone else. This alone was enough to temper whatever argument you made, no matter how well researched.

Admittedly, this is a counter-argument of my own making, and I don’t recall you ever claiming that Marx outwitted a naive world and imposed his will upon it.

I did however consider that since the world has readily adopted Marx’s methods and ideas, perhaps this said a great deal about how we all think, and that maybe Marx didn’t so much outwit the world, but identify how the world already is, and played upon this innate tendency (ironic, I know, considering Marx’s belief in no absolutes). This much I was prepared to concede. And that is where I stayed for the past year or two.

It is only now that I think I understand what it is you are saying, and probably you have said it directly yourself, but I don’t claim to be the most attentive of students.

As soon as I began to grasp the enormity of the difference in psychology between the sexes (anyone who has noticed the make-up of a Justin Bieber concert as opposed to who is sitting watching a rugby match would be aware that it is right before our eyes), it followed that there would most likely be two “natural” politics – one that mirrored the basic feminine, the other the basic masculine. The first -feminism – as you have stated elsewhere, would be totalitarian and reflect the instinctive mother urges, ie security above all abstract ideas, safety in numbers, group ownership of everything, the viewing of consensus as a resource and the derivation of reality from consensus, and finally the belief in the group over the individual (including the quick disposal of aberrant individuals since the feminine is in the business of replacing all of us).

The other, masculine, politics is that of the individual. It reflects the male necessity to mature away from the mother and cope alone in the world. There is no longer the luxury of the herd numbers to hide behind, and hope ill-fortune takes the hindmost and leaves you to live another day. Men deal directly with the real world as soon as they grow old enough to leave their feminine protector and her sisters – they have a more immediate relationship with absolute reality. They suffer the consequences of their own actions, or enjoy the benefits thereof. All our laws, reasoning and civilization arise from men’s immediacy to the real world that women are sheltered from by virtue of their herd instinct.

All this I had already internalized, but what I only recently connected was that this is may well have been what Marx understood, or perhaps he had a stripe of the women in him wide enough that he also “thought like a woman” (pardon my abuse of Mencken’s phrasing). So rather than Marx inventing clever political philosophies that have become the bane of men everywhere, it may simply be that he articulated the most natural politics that corresponded easily with the psychology of women the world over. He didn’t need to invent anything – all he did (and this is his masculine side at work) was reflect and define what it was to think like a woman. He got it right. Women instinctively agree with nearly everything he has ever set forth as a social principal (his predictions being not so noteworthy). I recognize this congruence in my own mother’s beliefs, along with nearly every other female teacher.

What really stands out to me though is that this realization is absolutely dependent on allowing oneself to think that there really are two political philosophies corresponding to the two different sexes, and that in academia today, absolutely everything is done to try and prevent anyone thinking this way at all. If manipulation of mind were my stock in trade, I suspect my priority would also be to ensure no-one looks my direction.

While all this may be interesting enough in itself, I think it may be useful in pointing the way in which our re-assertion of male thinking may take form in the future – ie a political philosophy directly reflecting “how men think”, but with the added dimension of our own awareness of it.

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Rob April 3, 2012 at 21:34

“Anyone who knows anything of history knows that great social changes are impossible without feminine upheaval. Social progress can be measured exactly by the social position of the fair sex, the ugly ones included.” — Karl Marx

Piercedhead, you’ve nailed it.

Also, keep in mind how Otto Weininger thinks.

There is a “male principle” and a “female principle.” The male principle is the “ultimate male” and the female principle is his opposite. However, that is only philosophically speaking. There is no such thing as a “pure male.”

See the Yin and Yang, there is a “dot” of the “other” within each half. In other words, no man is purely male (he has some female in him) and the same is true of women. (And I could go into this deeper, but let’s not for now).

So, Weininger does not really talk about “men and women” but rather, “the male principle” and “the female principle.” A man, like you and I, is ruled mostly by the male principle – but we have some female principle in us as well – however, it is the male principle that dominates us. (He claims it is variable in individuals later in his book to explain bisexuality – males with too large a female principle become bisexuals etc.)

The “principle” idea is what needs to be focused on. I am already 2 links in, so I won’t make more links, but Auguste Comte, in the 1700′s, was the forefather of “social science.” He also identified the “male and female principle.” He designed a system of totalitarianism based on putting the female principle ahead of the male principle, so that society could be more easily manipulated.

Going back to the male principle is truly the “way out.”

1+1=2 Dammit!

It should be what MGTOW is about, not the marriage strike.

Maybe we can’t do it politically – yet. But we can certainly do it personally, and that is where all things political begin.

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Rob April 3, 2012 at 21:42

Also, Piercedhead,

Don’t forget that Marx uses philosophy to change the world. Everyone thinks Marxism is Russian tanks and the Iron Curtain. It just simply is not.

And who was it, throughout the ages, that defined the differences between men and women?

It was philosophers. Plato, Kant, Schopenhauer, etc. etc.

It’s a head game. Marx took what the philosophers before him had already identified, and then devised ways to bring about his goals.

Philosophy is also where it will end.

If we can restore an absolute truth to hang onto (male principle), then the female principle (relative truth) withers away.

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Rob April 3, 2012 at 21:45

re: Auguste Comte and the female principle leading.

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Rob April 3, 2012 at 21:59

Further, is the Original Sin the story of the Relative Truth over-riding Absolute Truth, or not?

Also related:

Rising Up From Being Beasts of the Field

Sorry, those aren’t the best written articles. They are posts that I made here on the Spearhead long ago that I saved to my blog, but haven’t “cleaned up” yet.

(I got 12 new articles in the hopper from arguing with Boxer).

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piercedhead April 3, 2012 at 22:04

“See the Yin and Yang, there is a “dot” of the “other” within each half.

We are clearly drawing on the same mental constructs. As I was typing “perhaps he(Marx) had a stripe of the women in him” I visualized the Yin and Yang symbol. Menckel also seems to allude to it in his praise of bachelors.

What strikes me most is that nothing could seem so natural as two ways of looking at the world corresponding to the two sexes. The evidence is absolutely everywhere. Yet to say as much is almost considered heresy. History begins to make sense.

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Nico April 3, 2012 at 22:22

An addition to my previous comment: Descoings was gay.

Which may explain his commitment to feminism.

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piercedhead April 3, 2012 at 22:44

Don’t forget that Marx uses philosophy to change the world.

In agreeing with this, I would add one proviso. It wasn’t a philosophical idea that he dreamed up out of nowhere, but a philosophy that corresponded with something that already existed – something real: female psychology.

It makes me laugh that the king of relativism still relied on something as absolute and everlasting as feminine behaviour!

The answer to him will have the same quality, but won’t need to deny its foundation.

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migu April 3, 2012 at 23:10

Yeah well, ill just stick with “if it ain’t right…”

And boxer, you probably should respond. He spanked ya back when he was Jeb. Frankfurt school conversation?

Just saying you have perfect opportunity.

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migu April 4, 2012 at 01:15

So let me see if I’m getting the idea.

We step out of the circle and walk a tangent. Why? Because the tangent leads somewhere new, while the circle simply recycles the same mistakes.

Basically western civilization went on the tangent with christianity’s concept of linear time. Then at some point western civilization found a NASCAR track and started turning left over and over again.

Linear time is important. It is true for everyone of us. We are born, we live, and we die. If we follow everything is circular, then

So, head into the pit and off the track.

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migu April 4, 2012 at 01:17

Sorry about that. This site doesn’t always work well with my phone.

I’ll just keep following along, and finish that thought when I have keyboard.

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Ode April 4, 2012 at 01:19

If the legal system can toss a man into jail because of a false accusation from his own flesh and blood, Imagine a false accusation from a single mother’s daughter. The wheels of injustice would spin very quickly no doubt. This is another good reason to stay away from single mothers.

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jso April 4, 2012 at 04:24

women are the worst rapists of all

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silent April 4, 2012 at 06:39

Has anyone else seen this birth control for men article yet?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/03/male-birth-control-reversible_n_1400708.html

I know it’s off topic, but we’re already 100+ comments deep

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Troll King April 4, 2012 at 07:19

OT.

I wonder how this woman comes to conclusions about educated, college educated that is, women not becoming single mothers when the under 30 set of college educated women are becoming single mothers by choice in over fifty percent of the births under 30?

Oh wait, she is a divorced woman who uses solipsism, her own situation in life, and projects it onto everyone else.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/03/must_women_civilize_men/singleton/

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American April 4, 2012 at 07:54

The bottom line here folks is that Americans need to remove the financial incenstives for American law enforcement to persecute the innocent. Right now as we stand, Its very lucrative for American law enforcement to use protocol perversions and semantics games to persecute innocent people (men are people); of which the exact opposite should be true..IT SHOULD BE VERY FINANCIALLY UN-REWARDING for American law enforcement to put innocent people in jail.

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American April 4, 2012 at 07:57

Maybe American lawyers are doing their part to expand the legal code, and getting federal pork bloating grants to “fuel” the arrest innocent people??
Does not all this conflict mean American lawyers can charge by the hour to clean it up??

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Boxer April 4, 2012 at 08:06

Dear Migu:

And boxer, you probably should respond. He spanked ya back when he was Jeb. Frankfurt school conversation?

So, how many sockpuppets does this kook need to post under? Why does he need them?

In the end, I’m the one who is getting paid to publish articles in peer-reviewed journals, and he’s the one who is angry because I didn’t play games with him on this obscure weblog that few people read and fewer care about.

Maybe he can take whatever pill turns him back into Jeb, and we’ll try again? LOL!

Regards, Boxer

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American April 4, 2012 at 08:16

Boxer, jab, jab with the left, then a right.
Dance around, and jab with the left, and you got this.

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keyster April 4, 2012 at 08:16

@Rob and piercedhead

You guys get it implicitly.
Our friend Boxer lives in a cloistered academic bubble.
He’s not used to being “deconstructed” himself.
If he was better at Critical Theory he might respond with more than personal insults and invective. It’s simply no contest, but you Rob have more energy than I.

In agreeing with this, I would add one proviso. It wasn’t a philosophical idea that he dreamed up out of nowhere, but a philosophy that corresponded with something that already existed – something real: female psychology.

It seems what informed Marx was Plato’s “Republic”, Thomas More’s “Utopia” and Thomas Hobbe’s “Leviathan”, which he manifested into a “class struggle” narrative.

Marx himself considered both work and the worker to be beneath him. He lived nearly his entire adult life off of handouts from Engels, the co-author of The Communist Manifesto. While he was living off of Engels’ capital, Marx kept a peasant woman around the house and refused to pay her for her services. Later, he fathered an illegitimate child by her and refused to provide financial support or even to acknowledge that he was the father. In other words, he exploited her labor and then abandoned her after she went into labor.

Marx was not a great man worthy of admiration, as Boxer would want some to believe. He should study John Locke and Alexis de Tocqueville for some perspective; man’s nature and the democratic concept.

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freebird April 4, 2012 at 08:20

American said:
“We may need a “justice council” specifically designated for accusations of domestic violence and rape accusations, to go around to different police stations to make sure perversions in that specific police force does not put an innocent man in jail for ten years.”

I will go you one more:
It’s past time for the REGULATORS TO RIDE AGAIN.

Whiskey for my men,beer for my horses.
“I’m coming,and I’m bringing hell with me.”

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richard April 4, 2012 at 08:22

This would be less of an outrage if rape punishment were more moderate. 1-3 years is probably a good range, not 20-life.

Given the propensity of the modern Ameroskank to cock-hop, getting a wrong dose of dong is really not a lot worse than getting the beef when you ordered the chicken.

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keyster April 4, 2012 at 08:28

“In the end, I’m the one who is getting paid to publish articles in peer-reviewed journals,…”

Getting articles published that tout Socialist concepts in peer reviewed journals in the Academic environment of today,…

…is like getting articles published by Sociology professors “proving” gender is a social construct. Your “peers” are bound to be sympathetic to your “researched” material. Try to disagree with them and see what happens. You can kiss that PhD and any chance of professorship goodbye.

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Rob April 4, 2012 at 08:38

Stop feeding Boxer, the disinformation troll.

Every argument with him ends the same – nowhere. Then tomorrow he insists you do it again.

Talk about him, while pointing out what he is doing. Make him useful as an example. He’s not good for much else.

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Boxer April 4, 2012 at 08:40

Keyster, why are you and the other omega male of the spearhead slacking this way? I expected at least twenty-five long, irrelevant-to-the-topic, and insane followups. Here you are only one or two in?

…is like getting articles published by Sociology professors “proving” gender is a social construct. Your “peers” are bound to be sympathetic to your “researched” material. Try to disagree with them and see what happens. You can kiss that PhD and any chance of professorship goodbye.

On the other hand, this one’s about as funny as that “MBA in History” quip you came up with. I was laughing at that during the entire spring vacation.

The reality is that you two are a little like Pol Pot and whatever idiot assistant he had write his long, rambling, paranoid, incoherent speeches. You hate anyone who is more intelligent, more accomplished, or just better than you. That’d be everyone, of course, but I’m proud to poke you with my pointy stick and get you to dancing around these parts…

Regards, Boxer

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Rob April 4, 2012 at 08:41

It seems what informed Marx was Plato’s “Republic”, Thomas More’s “Utopia” and Thomas Hobbe’s “Leviathan”, which he manifested into a “class struggle” narrative. — Keyster

It’s too bad Togakure School isn’t around anymore, nor his blog. He once spent several months going over Plato’s Republic and relating it to MRM issues. It was really good. It’s too bad everyone deletes their blog when they decide to hang up their hat and Go Their Own Way.

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Boxer April 4, 2012 at 08:43

Rob rants:

Talk about him, while pointing out what he is doing. Make him useful as an example. He’s not good for much else.

That’s right kook. You owe me several more psychotic followups. I’ll be on later to see how you’re progressing.

Change your phony name, yet again, if you think it’ll help.

Regards, Boxer

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Troll King April 4, 2012 at 08:47

OT.

I chuckled at this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanholiday/2012/04/03/why-wont-planned-parenthood-take-500000/

Tucker Max decided to donate 500k to planned parenthood as a tax write off and they were going to name a clinic after him. The the big dogs found out and cancelled it.

Here is the feminist response:
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2012/04/03/planned-parenthood-and-tucker-max/

lol

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Boxer April 4, 2012 at 08:50

IT SHOULD BE VERY FINANCIALLY UN-REWARDING for American law enforcement to put innocent people in jail.

The Chinese are getting sick of loaning the US government money to stay afloat. Check yesterday’s Wall Street Journal about the Reminbi (sp?) going global, and for export.

The bottom line is that all this gender-raunch perversion stuff is paid for by Chinese labour, and they’re pulling the plug. We’re going to see a lot of interesting stuff ahead as the bigshots run out of money, and you’ll probably get your wish.

Regards, Boxer

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Rob April 4, 2012 at 08:54

Boxer has already been responded to.

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Szebran April 4, 2012 at 09:27

This is a late comment but I only want to say prosecutor Sue Blair should be prosecuted for encouraging criminal activity. Additionally I hope the father – if he’s still alive – sues Longview, Wash.

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Migu April 4, 2012 at 09:39

So, how many sockpuppets does this kook need to post under? Why does he need them?

Though I can’t read minds. Most of us who’ve been around awhile already knew it was him.

And I can’t read his mind, but I would guess it was so he didn’t have to deal with opposing sappers.

And to be frank. As soon as you go after someone who is not pulling firepower maneuvers I know that it is time to listen to that person.

Keyster I listen to. Rob I listen to. I disagree with keyster on a ton of things, but the discussion is usually productive.

I’ve read Rob’s contributions for the last seven years. I’ve also read his primary and secondary sources. He’s got a handle on it.

Now whatever you are, you are not stupid, but you have an ulterior motive somewhere. I don’t know what it is, and I don’t care. I just see it.

Pointing out your inconsistencies is pointless. You will just misdirect, or launch very clever insulting tirades. And you are good at that. So good in fact, that most people forget you were ever called to task in the first place.

Secondly, as soon as someone agrees with you, you become the perfect sycophant. When your newly acquired supporter questions you again, you use that same exceptional talent for clever insults flip it on its head and it becomes insincere flattery.

Like I said you are smart, but you are insincere. My talent is photographic memory. I only forget what I want to. Oh and I have actually been trained in the art of undermining. It was a life and death occupation for me in my early twenties.

My credentials, as if it matters. Blood and Sweat professor. Blood and Sweat.

Now, since Rob is back I have question.

I just read all of your new stuff. Are you coming to the point I described above about the circle, or did I go off somewhere?

I’ve got Hegel and the Marxian inversion. What I understand is that this is basically just a revival of ancient polytheistic cultures. And the way out of it is to recognize the absolute?

I personally base my decisions on God and the concept of linear time. We are born, we live, and we die. I was raised catholic and am considered apostate due to the fact I do not recognize the official sabbath. I take my day of rest on Thursdays. I’m just telling you that, so you know where I’m coming from.

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Rob April 4, 2012 at 10:34

Good comment, Migu.

And, I’ll get back to your points – but as usual, I’d like a bit of time to reflect on it. I really like these kinds of discussions, because it helps all of us get smarter.

As per my name. Yeah, I haven’t posted as Rob for almost 18 months. As Rob, the underminers come out of the woodwork. That’s not always their fault, because sometimes I get so focused on this stuff, I become quite pissed off at the little dipshits who simply want to undermine me and I run off my mouth in ways I shouldn’t. eg. I know a lot of people here like TFH, but he’s run around on several sites over the past year where I see him declare (like at Dalrock’s etc) that I am not an MRA and I am worse than Manboobz. I haven’t even been around, for crying out loud! The reason I quit posting here in the first place was because of that guy doing the same thing here. You know, I am fucking sick to death of it. I don’t get paid for this, and Rob/Rob Fedders/Fedrz is not my real name, so I am not looking for any tangible credit for what I am doing either. If I achieve my philosophical goal, I just want to leave it to the world and go home. But I have, literally, spent thousands of hours doing this now. I’ve brought far more to the table than I’ve taken away – so everyone will just have to take the good with the bad. I’m not here to make friends. I’m here because I Believe! I also believe we can find a way out of this mess without holding onto the hand of the government – which is why you will often see me oppose the general position of the larger MRM.

Jeb, btw, is my real name – or rather, a nickname many of my closest friends call me. Much like Welmer is Bill’s nickname. I’ve tried to forget this mess and just move on with life, because it is not healthy for me to always get so worked up about it all. But, even so, I find myself drawn back to at least check what’s going on and when I see someone say, asking where they can find Book of Bonecrker or something, I’d just rather contribute it than piss around with all the other bullshit.

But, I just can’t seem to let go of the over-riding theme in my head, whether I am here or not. I’m still working on it. Check the sidebar of my blog. In the past 18 months, I have added the following “books”: The Book of Bonecrcker, the Philalethes Essays, The Wisdom of Zenpriest, Eye of the Mind, (Still working on The Book of Pook). They are now all individually separated into linkable posts, so we can discuss each concept separately. There are now pictures added into them to make them more fun to read, there are quotes to support views, and research has been added to back up their points where applicable. AND, they are all interlinked to eachother, so if Bonecrcker, Zed & Philalethes all discuss the same issue, they are all interlinked to eachother. It is a freakin’ arsenal of information for anyone who wants to learn. They are all there to be pinched and used for whatever purpose men may need.

Also, there is another “book” on my sidebar called “A Wrinkle in Time” where I have taken most of what The Men’s Tribune had as scanned material, and again I broke it all down into linkable posts so we can use them directly. There is stuff in there from Buddha to Aristotle to Jefferson to Schopenhauer to Tolstoy, as well as several “books” of their own inside, such as Procopius of Caesarea, the Lamentations of Matheolus, Montesquieu’s Spirit of Laws, Man Superior to Woman, GK Chesterton’ What’s Wrong With The World etc. etc. – When I get a round tuit, Belfort Bax’s stuff will be entered too.

That is what I have been doing for the last year or so. Even when I leave, I still can’t get away. I want to win. Badly.

I know we need to have a book written called “The Philosophy of Men Going Their Own Way,” and as we used to say in MGTOW, “to suggest is to volunteer.” Maybe it won’t be perfect, but if I build the foundation, hopefully other men can build upon it and perfect it.

I know some of what I will say in it will piss off some MRA’s, so be it, it comes with the territory of speaking Truth. I don’t want to run to the government – I want us to run from the government. And, if the MRM wants to keep running towards the Totalitarian State and completing another staircase in the Dialectic, I’m not gonna keep my mouth shut about it anymore. Let the chips fall where they may. I insist on living by 1+1=2. We all should.

I’ve raised the MGTOW flags on my blog again, after taking them off in disgust that it now only means marriage strike. But, I am one of the earliest MGTOW bloggers, so, dammit, I’m going to pick this concept up from the floor, dust it off, and run with it again. It was the right concept. And what the hell, I might as well start going by Rob again while I’m at it. Lots of people aren’t going to like me either way. But I’m going to speak the Truth.

If It’s Not Right, Go Your Own Way!

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Rob April 4, 2012 at 10:35

Lol, oops, the footprints don’t work well on this site.

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American April 4, 2012 at 11:45

Boxer, my wish is simple,… Not only take away the financial incentives for American law enforcement to persecute innocent people (men are people); but in fact do the exact opposite…Make it very exspensive to persecute the innocent.

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keyster April 4, 2012 at 11:51

“You hate anyone who is more intelligent, more accomplished, or just better than you.”

Incorrect.
I hate anyone who THINKS they’re smarter than and holds themselves above everyone else, just because they’re professional academics.

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Migu April 4, 2012 at 12:27

That is what I have been doing for the last year or so. Even when I leave, I still can’t get away. I want to win. Badly.

So do I, and thank you.

I don’t have the technical expertise so I spread it in the workplace, and in the comments. “Shovel the Gravel” is a slogan in my department. Literally.

When it comes to females, they aren’t difficult. I just remember Briffault. All the laws of the state are powerless against the law of Briffault.

I get frustrated, and angry too. It’s all in the cache somewhere.

Anyway, I’m glad you guys were and are there. I knew because of what happened to my dad, but I didn’t think it could happen to me and found it in 2004 that I was wrong.

Held on to the dream for another year, found angry harry, left the bitch and wel,l I first posted in the “sphere” in 2007. I was then banned from AWS after my first post and found mancoat. That was a pretty cool day.

Since then, yeah I’ve been through a few of those phases you talk about.

Thanks again.

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Rob April 4, 2012 at 12:34

I’ve got Hegel and the Marxian inversion. What I understand is that this is basically just a revival of ancient polytheistic cultures. And the way out of it is to recognize the absolute?
I personally base my decisions on God and the concept of linear time. We are born, we live, and we die. I was raised catholic and am considered apostate due to the fact I do not recognize the official sabbath. I take my day of rest on Thursdays. I’m just telling you that, so you know where I’m coming from. — Migu
I can’t get my head clearly around the linear versus circular. Unless what you mean is that we don’t get anywhere in the circle. Do you mean that linear is about mankind moving forward? Because then yes, grabbing onto the truth that is real moves us forward as a species. Well, perhaps it is more accurate to say that if we hold onto the Absolute Truth (1+1=2) we don’t kill ourselves by using (1+1=3) which is the female principle, and which keeps us living in grass huts like animals. What kind of math would you prefer builds the airplane you are going to fly in?

If we were animals, we would live by the female principle. All animals live by the female principle. In fact, it ought to show how stupid so many academics are when you see a feminist biologist readily declare what is known to be fact for every living thing that exists (the male exists to serve the female) and then she next will spout off that in humans, somehow, this is not the case, and women are oppressed by men.

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. — Robert Briffault, The Mothers, I, 191

Zed goes into this even further.

The great “invention” of mankind is to put the male principle before the female principle. This happened with the founding of patriarchy, which is why humans have existed for many hundreds of thousands of years on earth before we started building civilizations a few millennia ago. We started putting 1+1=2 in front of 1+1=3, and we’ve been moving forward ever since – although, the Relative Truth keeps rising up, overruling the Absolute, and resetting us backwards, like with the collapse of Rome etc. It is the Garden of Eden over and over and over again.

The Founding Fathers structured their truths in this way, so that one contains the other.

1 – God’s Law (Absolute)
2 – Natural Law (Objective)
3 – Civil Law (Subjective)

Subjective Laws that contradict Natural Law are false, and Natural Laws that contradict God’s Laws are false.

There is Relative Truth, and it is real. In fact, it is man’s ability to manipulate the Relative Truth that is what gives us all of our great inventions.

Think about it this way. It is quite Objectively True to say that man cannot fly, or if he jumps off a cliff he will die. However, I can counter that with saying it is only Relatively True, because now man has invented airplanes which enable him to fly, and he has invented parachutes which help him jump off cliffs without dying. It is our ability to bend the truth that makes us go forward. But, that only works by making sure we follow the above ordering of Truths. It’s only relatively true that man can’t fly – why? Because by adhering to the Natural/Objective Laws of Physics, humans have the ability to build upon truths that change the truth. Even though the Subjective has changed (man can now fly, sort of), the Objective did not change. (The Laws of Physics).

Why do we need the Absolute Truth at the top? For two reasons.

1). We are not perfect as humans, and even our concepts of Objective Truths are not always correct. We once believed, Objectively, that the Earth was flat. That was never really true, even though it Objectively appeared to be. The Absolute still ruled over the Objective in this case. It didn’t really matter what we thought was real – the Earth was always round, whether we believed it or not. The Laws of Physics have always existed, even when we didn’t understand them. Sometimes our perceptions of the Objective Truth must necessarily change. It is Absolute Truth that the Earth is round, not flat, and so the Absolute Truth must rise up and over-rule the Objective Truth when they contradict eachother.

2). The Absolute Truth is out of man’s reach. He can’t monkey with it. This concept of Absolute Truth is very important to humans – even if this Absolute Truth doesn’t exist – because Mankind has an annoying tendency to wish away that which he doesn’t like to acknowledge. (The Relative Truth is very real within ourselves – we can justify almost anything that we wish to, our brains are so flexible). It is for this reason that the Founding Fathers declare that our rights are given to us by our Creator, because what God gives, only God can take away. They took our rights, and put them out of reach from anyone on Earth, where they are safely protected from our grubby little fingers. It doesn’t matter whether God actually exists in this case – the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus would work just as well. If the Government gives me my rights (as Totalitarian States structure their constitutions), then the Government has the right to take those rights away. Meh, I’d rather the Easter Bunny gives me my rights, so only the Easter Bunny can take them away. Atheists should actually support this concept heavily rather than complain about it. (If you don’t believe in God, your rights are even safer than the rights of those who do believe in God).

If you don’t order the Truth properly, how could we have done anything in our history? We would still be living like animals.

Further, think about this. If we were still following the Bible, none of this shit would ever have happened. The Bible was the Absolute Truth, and none could over-ride it. Society was firmly based upon this. Even in Academia, Harvard’s original mandate was to be “protectors of the Truth,” and that Truth had, as its basis, the Absoluteness of the Bible. They certainly aren’t doing this anymore, are they? The Bible has over-ridden corruption all over the place. Not even the King himself was higher than God, and no matter what he said to the contrary, you could always pick up the Bible and simply say, “Nuh, uh. You are wrong!”

The Absoluteness of the Bible, or at least the concept of it, stops the Dialectical Staircase that grows our government. If we still believed in it the way we once used to, the feminists would have come screeching up to us, we would open up the Bible, look back at them and say “Nope.” End of discussion.

Marx wants to create a new kind of human, free from its worst trappings, and figures that the current civilization and social order must be torn down first. So… putting us back to the female principle leading the male principle is the way to crumble our society from within. Also, since the female principal is Relative Truth, it is easier to move society to believe this concept or that concept, or whatever new concept you need them to believe in tomorrow, and what Totalitarian Regime wouldn’t want that?

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Migu April 4, 2012 at 12:41

I’ve raised the MGTOW flags on my blog again, after taking them off in disgust that it now only means marriage strike.

Okay,

I’ll stand behind you. Which means I’m gonna do what the hell I want. But I’m down.

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Boxer April 4, 2012 at 12:59

Dear Migu:

Though I can’t read minds. Most of us who’ve been around awhile already knew it was him. And I can’t read his mind, but I would guess it was so he didn’t have to deal with opposing sappers.

In other words, his bad behaviour has made him a ton of online enemies who laugh at him. Gotcha. It was still dishonest and cowardly, and I’m glad you pointed it out.

And to be frank. As soon as you go after someone who is not pulling firepower maneuvers I know that it is time to listen to that person. Keyster I listen to. Rob I listen to. I disagree with keyster on a ton of things, but the discussion is usually productive.

Personally, I have a favourite here too. Jack Donovan doesn’t post many articles any longer. I’m hoping he is just taking a break and not moving on to something else. I tend to like that guy because he doesn’t sit around whining about what kooky feminists say and do. He explores masculinity in new and revealing ways.

I’ve read Rob’s contributions for the last seven years. I’ve also read his primary and secondary sources. He’s got a handle on it. Now whatever you are, you are not stupid, but you have an ulterior motive somewhere. I don’t know what it is, and I don’t care. I just see it.

It’s not really a secret. I take the comments here as a rather priceless form of entertainment. The person behind the Rob/Jed/other sockpuppet persona apparently hasn’t got the memo that Communism failed. He thinks that Marx and Lenin won, and that the red army is right around the corner. It’s amusing and entertaining, and I suppose I’m one to stoop to poking the wild beasties with a sharp stick, and laugh as they rage in their cages.

What you’re talking about with him here is pilfered from Deleuze and Guattari’s ideas on canalization (or whoever they pilfered it from – I wouldn’t know). You oughta read up on it. Sockboy doesn’t understand it, and it’ll never make any perceptible impact on world events, but it’s fun headcandy.

Regards, Boxer

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Migu April 4, 2012 at 13:02

There is Relative Truth, and it is real. In fact, it is man’s ability to manipulate the Relative Truth that is what gives us all of our great inventions.

This is where I get caught up, I run into a brainblock. What I mean by that is I don’t know how to explain to anyone else why this is true.

I’ve got to think about your post in it’s entirety to properly respond. It’s friday night for me, and I may throw a few more one liners, but I need sleep, and I still can’t afford a maid.

Side note: I’m always approaching things from a praxelogical viewpoint.

Praxeology is the deductive study of human action based on the action-axiom.

Thanks again Rob

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Rob April 4, 2012 at 13:05
Migu April 4, 2012 at 13:10

Thanks boxer,

That was a great performance.

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Boxer April 4, 2012 at 13:12

Not a problem, Migu. Happy to help. ;)

Regards, Boxer

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Rob April 4, 2012 at 13:20

Now, since Rob is back..

I wouldn’t expect me to hang around too much. It’s just not worth the aggravation. The MRM can go to hell for all I care. All of the visible leaders are determined to grow government power over people’s personal lives – even though I realize it is unintentional. Nothing has made me more of a misanthrope than my involvement in the MRM. I’m really not impressed with the way it affects my personal life and my outlook on the world.

I am MGTOW, always was, always will be.

I’m mostly just going to hang out on my own blog and write what I want to write. I’ve got quite a bit of traffic to that site, and I reach a far larger audience there than I do writing in the comments here. There are no comments open there, but if you look on the side bar and find “Gary’s Shoes,” that’s where I do all my writing and putting things together, and when I have something finished, I post it on the main blog. The comments are open at Gary’s Shoes, and if someone wants to discuss, that is the best place to reach me. I wouldn’t tolerate disruptive asshats like Boxer there, and he’d be banned for saying hello.

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Migu April 4, 2012 at 14:28

I wouldn’t expect me to hang around too much. It’s just not worth the aggravation.

I understand that. Always down to talk about this stuff.

I’m not building a blog, and I can’t post to yours without a URL.

I’ll just read it though, being able to move the information into conscious minds is enough. It is appreciated. By me anyway.

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Migu April 4, 2012 at 14:34

Boxer,

I think you’re a shill. You are a tar baby, and now I will do the prudent thing and disengage.

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Boxer April 4, 2012 at 14:54

I think you’re a shill. You are a tar baby

Of course I am, silly. Just ask your old pal Keyster. I’m the secret head of the Communist Party, which is actually the most powerful political force in the universe, despite what appears to be the reality (a dozen or so members I’d imagine).

and now I will do the prudent thing and disengage.

You’ve said that at least 4 times now (and I haven’t been keeping track, so I’d estimate that you’ve said it a dozen more when I wasn’t paying attention). Like Keyster, Firepower, Jed/Rob/etc. and the rest, you’re a masochist who delights in hostile banter. As such you’ll be back soon enough.

In any event, I’ve enjoyed our exchange; and I look forward to the next one.

Regards, Boxer

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Rob April 4, 2012 at 15:28

You know, what Welmer wrote here is really good. In a lot of ways, he has been wise to not call this an MRA site, and simply call it a magazine about men’s issues.

It is this kind of BS that I cannot stand, and on many levels, it profoundly bothers me that one of my earlier predictions has come true – that being that all of us plebes would do all of the shoveling to create awareness of the issues, and then some famous Baby-Boomers will move in and “lead” us down the dialectical stairway to hell.

Lots of these guys identify the problems men face correctly, but if you look a little closer, they almost universally are stuck on “Run to the Government” mode.

Farrell would recommend to androgynize us more. Strauss recommends more funding and more government to deal with DV. Baskerville states to F. Roger Devlin that while Father Custody might be the only True solution, since he doesn’t believe it is possible, begging for Shared-Parenting from the government is better.

Ad Nauseum.

You know, for so many frickin’ Ph D’s saying how bloody smart they are, to date, I have still not seen a one of them offer a different solution than “more funding” and “government has to address this.” I mean, with all that education, none of them can think of anyhing else?

Hey! Let’s start up a White House Council.

Hey! Could you donate $20,000 to this NGO we are trying to start up?

And we may as well be perfectly clear about. Usher, who I linked to above, I remember over at MND had an article where he began declared “the one issue we can all agree upon.” (Shared-Parenting). Well, we must be frank then. When the feminidiots used to run up to us and declare “Not all feminists are like that, some of us are Equity-Feminists or Eco-Feminists…” and we responded by, “Who cares? Any movement is defined by its most visible and most vocal leaders, which are Radical Feminists. If the most identifiable don’t define the movement, then who does?”

Well, we ought to at least hold ourselves to a similar standard. The fact is, almost all of the visible leaders in the MRM/FRA can only think of things which grow the government. Simply even running to the government to beg for permission strengthens the power of the State.

I’ve made my views on this clear before – sometimes in not very nice ways. I’ve even had phone call conversations with someone who is directly in face to face contact with many of these “leaders.” Here is the excuse I nearly always get in return:

“We can’t outright say all of these things (ie. Truth) or we won’t get funding. But once we have our organization running with adequate funding, then we can start to do the “right things.”‘

Or, in other words, once we have become a firmly entrenched, un-elected bureaucratic organization that is very difficult to remove, THEN we will do whatever the hell we want. But don’t worry, we will have your best interests at heart.

No thanks. I’ll Go My Own Way!

I think there is a lot of “Baby Boomer Disease” going on in the MRM as well. I notice a distinct difference in the way that the Boomers view the world compared to the generations that have suffered because of the world the Boomers shoved upon them.

Boomers have their head in Utopia. They were told all along that they were special, and the best, and they were going to “change the world.” Now that they are getting old, you see them even pat themselves on their backs for “changing the world.” The ones that are in the MRM very often are still holding onto the same notions, but now just from an MRM point of view. But, somehow, somewhere, Utopia is still possible – they’ve been told that their whole lives.

After aborting 1/3 of their children, tossing them into daycare, and giving them the latchkey and an apron to cook their own dinners, they turned around and slapped us across the face once more and called us Generation X – “The Lost People. The Nothing Generation. The Underachievers.” (Look at what is going on in Canuckistan – yup, in 15 or 20 years the government is saying, the retirement age will have to be raised to 67, or possibly 70 – but don’t worry Boomers, it will be 15 or 20 years down the road, so don’t worry about it. Gen X and the ones behind them will continue to pay for your filthy ways even after you are gone – and hey, there’s even far less of them to pay for it, because so many were killed in the womb and discarded into a bucket).

None of the younger generations identify with their own generation the way that the Boomers do. It is part of their identity. Being Gen-X though (The Nothing People), I never see this generations people identifying in that way, nor the younger generations coming up behind.

Boomers identify with each-other and all still hold onto Utopia.

But the younger generations… well, it’s easy to see, that while the Boomers reject concepts like “game,” (if Game is real, Utopia is impossible, and so is any notion of equality), but the younger generations, they are not buying into Utopia. They know women can be skanky bitches. Many people were raised by emotionally abusive and manipulative mothers and they are under no illusions about the sanctity of motherhood – when the mother doesn’t even “mother.”

While the Boomers lived in their Utopia, we paid for it by getting slapped up the head with The Truth of their actions. Now, this happens with all generations of course, but rarely can you find a single generation in history that has torn up our social mores as much as the Boomers have. We can’t even outvote them, because they are so much larger than us.

I suspect the younger generations will be able to see the Truth much easier than the Boomers. And that gives me some hope. But what really scares me is having them “fix things” in the special way that they have “fixed” everything else in society – with their eye on Utopia rather than Truth. We certainly don’t need them to “fix” it so that we can’t “unfix” the bullshit of more government.

Awareness is the key. Not more government.

Turn your back on it all, accept the Truth, and Go Your Own Way.

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Rob April 4, 2012 at 15:30

I’m not building a blog, and I can’t post to yours without a URL.

Oops. Fixed.

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Mickey T April 4, 2012 at 16:34

UPDATE!!!!

Ms District Attorney (Sue Baur) returned my call.

She said, basically, the situation was reported wrongly. The daughter (Cassandra Kennedy) went before judge to confess the lie. The judge, who “sort of” believed the girl, ordered a retrial. The DA felt that it would be impossible to prove the girl was lying and/or telling the truth, so she ordered Mr Kennedy be released. Some massive gray areas there!

She went on and on with legal technicalities ad protocols which I obviously could not argue. She gave me the name and address of the man who allegedly misreported the article, and who is supposed to rewrite a more accurate account of the situation. She also gave me info on a local defense atty who has some knowledge of the matter.

She returned my call promptly, she was willing to discuss the matter at length (I ended the 30 minute conversation) she knew why I was calling and still returned the call, she said that she received a lot of emails on the matter. she almost sounded concerned. Probably to cover her own ass. She may have been caught in some legal snafu where she had to do what would hurt her the least ……………………..

Some or all of what she said may have some truth to it, but the whole thing still sounds fishy, and she is a woman and a lawyer.

I’ll look into it further, and post any new info I might get.

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Mickey T April 4, 2012 at 16:43

BTW-Although Buar was DA when Kennedy was convicted she did not handle the prosecution. She told me that she went over the transcripts etc of the trial and found that there was “physical/medical “evidence pointing to his guilt. The conviction was not only based on the daughter’s testimony.

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Eric April 4, 2012 at 16:54

Keyster;
Besides Locke and de Tocqueville, here’s another ‘dead white male’ (i.e. someone who makes too much sense to be studied anymore) reflecting on how republics degenerate into socialist totalitarianism. He points out that the trend always starts when ‘majority rule’ is held up as the ideal over the rule of established law:

“Liberal democracy is a doctrine nourished by a thousand springs, and varying greatly with the social status of its adherents. Only in one respect is it consistent, namely in the insatiability of its demand for state control of the individual. Thus it blurs the boundaries between State and Society and looks to the State for the things that Society most likely will refuse to do, while maintaining a permanent condition of argument and change and ultimately vindicating the right to work and subsistance for certain castes…The State is thus, on one hand, the realization and expression of the cultural ideas of every party; on the other, merely the visible vestures of civic life, and is powerful on a temporary basis only. It should be able to do everything, yet allowed to do nothing. In particular, it must not defend its existing form in any crisis—what men want more than anything else is to participate in the exercise of its power. The State’s form thus becomes increasingly questionable and its radius of power ever broader.”

See why feminists and their Marxist/mangina allies in academia don’t want this stuff read anymore?

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Mickey T April 4, 2012 at 16:56

Should have said: SHE MAINTAINS the conviction was not only based on the daughter’s testimony.

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Eric April 4, 2012 at 17:03

Mickey T:
This whole thing does sound fishy. If it ‘would be impossible to tell whether the girl was lying or telling the truth’ now; why was it MORE believable when she was a distraught 11 year-old?

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Boxer April 4, 2012 at 17:18

Ms District Attorney (Sue Baur) returned my call.

Huh. No shit? Hat’s off to you for this one.

Some or all of what she said may have some truth to it, but the whole thing still sounds fishy, and she is a woman and a lawyer.

It’s still cool that you managed to let her know that *someone* was interested in this case. Of course she’s a liar. She works for the government, but it is cool that you called her.

Regards, Boxer

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piercedhead April 4, 2012 at 17:22

Turn your back on it all, accept the Truth, and Go Your Own Way.

I’m convinced this is the only way to effectively counter the nonsense. It is leading by example.

The real value to me in following MRA/MGTOW sites is that they are the only places where I get to read intelligent men talking about things that matter without the media/academic gag firmly in its usual place. For that alone I value it highly, even if one has to read through a lot of dross to find a few pearls – at least those pearls are there to be found.

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Mickey T April 4, 2012 at 17:32

@ Eric

“..why was it More believable when she was a distraught 11 year old?”

She made it a point to tell me that the conviction of Kennedy was also based on physical and medical evidence.

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Rob April 5, 2012 at 07:50

I’m convinced this is the only way to effectively counter the nonsense. It is leading by example. — Piercedhead

The thing is, if men leave the building, women will follow. And if men keep walking, women will figure out a way to make some sort of association with men again that is agreeable.

Women are as independent as a tropical fern in a greenhouse in Iceland.

It doesn’t even have to get to the level of physical performance. Women’s mental character does not seek independence itself.

You can see this when women get divorced. I can, on many levels, understand why women would seek independence from marriage – from a male point of view, we understand it – but that’s not what they are doing. They divorce their current husband, and in 99% of cases, already have another waiting in the wings. Usually, in a year or so, the woman is back into a long-term relationship again where she is once again following the dominant lead of a male. Independence never existed.

Schopenhauer points this out too: ” That woman is by nature intended to obey is shown by the fact that every woman who is placed in the unnatural position of absolute independence at once attaches herself to some kind of man, by whom she is controlled and governed; this is because she requires a master. If she is young, the man is a lover; if she is old, a priest.”

I can’t recall anymore which philosopher said it as well, but slightly differently. There are three phases women go through in life, and in each she attaches herself to a man – in the sense that the man is her “tool” for her own purposes in society – the first is her father when she is young, then her husband during most of her life, and finally to her sons when she is old. And I can certainly attest to the last since my father died. It is now me who she comes to for authority since she is without husband.

Furthermore, one also has to realize that women were complicit in creating “Patriarchy.” As we’ve often pointed out, “patriarchy” is merely another form of matriarchy, because even Patriarchy is ultimately for the benefit of women, not men. Women “are” society. Men are on the outside of society. “The herd” is what society is, not the males on the outside trying to seek approval to get back in (which they will never be allowed). Men might have controlled the laws in the past, but women have always controlled society’s social mores. If women don’t approve, society doesn’t approve, because women are society. Men are on the outside looking in.

If men walk away, women will follow. And if we keep walking, they will keep trying to entice us back. And if we still keep walking, they will try even harder until eventually women themselves will make it so that “it” works. Patriarchy only existed because women endorsed it themselves and were complicit in creating the social mores that made it work.

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piercedhead April 5, 2012 at 13:24

Women “are” society. Men are on the outside of society.-Rob

And it is man’s place at the periphery that is our natural home.

While we concern ourselves with laws, government and social mores, we are intruding upon women’s space and women’s affairs – we are auditioning for their approval as – nominally at least – their masters (though it is clear on closer examination that all men in such positions are actually women’s servants, be they politicians, priests or husbands).

On the other hand, when a man realizes he is alone in the world, and dependent on nothing but his reason, his physical strength and his resolve, his attitude changes. His immediacy to the Absolute could not be clearer. The thing the free man most craves – his own sovereignty – is at its closest to being realized (you may recall the title of my blog when I kept one – it was to this state that it referred).

When I say that I am convinced going my own way is the most effective way to counter the nonsense, it is not because I believe it will have any material effect on ‘society’ – it is the effect it has on the man himself that is undeniable. It is like turning off the television and no longer reading the newspapers (which are portals into society, or women’s influence). The calming effect is near immediate. The more one works at it, dealing almost solely with Nature, one’s own material needs and whatever other problems that concern only the individual – and disengaging from ‘society’ in as many ways as possible – it is surprising how readily, and how happily, the submerged male psyche rises to the challenge.

Also surprising is how one develops a keener appreciation of company when one gets the chance, even though it can easily be lived without.

At the end of the day, society will always be there and always be unconcerned with the welfare of men. Like women who cannot embrace true independence, many men also shy away from it, exhausting themselves knocking on the door of women’s world trying to gain admission, never stopping to look about them and say “it’s actually not so bad out here by myself”.

The world would of course change if a lot of men started doing this, but I have no interest in something as abstract as ‘the world’. I am far more interested in the small world I live in, and how I can adapt to it, and prosper in it. But I am alone in it always. Not being a woman, that actually makes me feel more alive.

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Rob April 5, 2012 at 15:00

@ Piercedhead,

Do you mind if I pinch that last post and try to work it into my “personal” part of philosophy?

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Rob April 5, 2012 at 15:04

It would fit nicely with this.

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piercedhead April 5, 2012 at 15:37

Do you mind if I pinch that last post and try to work it into my “personal” part of philosophy?

Be my guest Rob – do with it what you will.

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piercedhead April 5, 2012 at 16:15

It’s interesting to me that men such as yourself and I, and ZenPriest, and the others in this sphere who speak their thinking candidly, tend to tie our thinking back to philosophical models outside of ourselves. We refer to the absolute – or at least objective approximations to it – instinctively.

After having written the last post, it occurred to me that the ‘women=society/men=individual’ paradigm can withstand some fairly heavy testing as a conceptual model. For example, in the past, society offered men some fairly attractive incentives to leave their beautiful solitude and form a working association with women. It is only natural that as those incentives have been withdrawn over the last 100 or so years, men’s innate nature would reassert itself and reappraise the value of the relationship. Most able men can now see quite readily that they are better off on their own now – and their departure from society is gathering apace. As women have abandoned individual men and wedded themselves to their collective resources as appropriated by the state, men are now divorcing the collective representation of women – society.

What’s also obvious is that the first men to realize that their personal interests are no longer being well-served would also be the more perceptive – and it can escape no casual reader of MRM writings that that is indeed the case.

Yet another feature of the model is the certainty that men, by virtue of being alone, would develop by necessity the means to provide for themselves, since no-one else will do it for them. They would define themselves as “providers” – and it would be precisely this quality that historically would have made them attractive to women. It is no accident that women seek out providers for marriage material, and not those men whose company they might prefer. From the definition of what is male, the game nomenclature is inverted: the “alpha” male – or quintessential male, is the provider. Men who live in herds, living off others, and developing strong social skills are closer to the female – it is they who are “beta male”. It seems natural that women would find them more fun to be with – and why they will never find a man who is both. Of course, the game people have the “alpha”/”beta” nomenclature correct if it isn’t maleness, but attractiveness to women that is being measured.

It is also entirely natural that we men, because we must fend for ourselves, would strive to keep our minds keen and sharp, forever formulating models of reality to assist us in that purpose. If nothing else, that is what I am doing right now.

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Rob April 5, 2012 at 16:32

re: “Alpha/Beta/Provider” – I have an article which I’ve never published on the front page which challenges the whole concept, and it kind of hits on some of your points in regards to providers etc. I’m not sure about this article, I think it would start a shit storm with the game guys. I wrote it once after getting pissed off at Vox Day, for trying to discuss it with him. Lol! That guy, he just dismisses everyone outright, “you’re just a gamma who doesn’t understand game.” Whatever, Vox. What the hell is a gamma, anyway? This game stuff has gone a bit off the rails, me thinks.

Yeah, no, I know that article would start a shit-storm, lol. Don’t know if it’s really worth it. Maybe it’s best to just leave it quietly in my article list.

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I, Enemy Combatant April 5, 2012 at 18:24

I wonder how Islamic countries would deal with this.

I heard it involves rocks…

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Migu April 6, 2012 at 07:56

I can’t get my head clearly around the linear versus circular. Unless what you mean is that we don’t get anywhere in the circle. Do you mean that linear is about mankind moving forward? Because then yes, grabbing onto the truth that is real moves us forward as a species.

I mean that we don’t get anywhere in the circle. This lead me to try and discover why, and how we break off onto the tangent in order to escape.

Monotheism is the most definitive development that moves cultural thinking from circles to lines, or more appropriately line segments. This is an important development. It takes human culture from arrogance in knowing it all, (A circle is a circle, a line is infinite), to we will never know everything. All polytheistic/animistic cultures view time as circular, and truth as relative.

Time is circular?

What does this mean? In simple terms it means that your individual soul is born at some point on the circle of time, and you are doomed to follow it round and round forever.

Long story short, the truth deduced from this concept is that the answer is to determine at what point you are in the circle and adjust your personal decisions to fit with the part of the circle you have born into.

The only time you see this concept assert itself is under polytheistic cultures. Every ancient culture has their zodiac. Every ancient culture traces the path of the sun through the various constellations. The cycle repeats every 26,000 odd years. (precession) It is this cycle that represents the circle of time. If you know where you are at in the cycle you can go with flow as it relates to said cycle. i.e. you can’t discover anything because it has already been discovered exactly 360 degrees ago when life was previously at this point in the circle.

Judaism, in the west, rejected this concept after Abram went his own way. (God promised Noah after the flood no more circles, and Abram finally convinced his people God had it right) The whole point of the Pentateuch is tell the of the struggle between these two concepts, as well as provide an algorithm, that if followed, will break people out of the circle, and put them on a tangent where they are no longer restricted with the notion of It’s all been done before, don’t waste your time innovating.

Anyway, I can’t do it justice at the ass end of this thread, and forthwith I will just post this kind of stuff at your blog when the fancy strikes me.

Love this stuff, especially when you don’t have contend with (You Dolt) every other paragraph. It’s great practice and even better, it provides me with tools to use outside of cyberspace. Thanks.

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Migu April 6, 2012 at 08:01

Forgot to add.

It seems that the DM is just trying to bring us back to the circle. “Dustbin of History” “History cannot be stopped” History is just the new zodiacal age for the modern vernacular.

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Rob April 6, 2012 at 12:13

Hmmm, this is interesting Migu.

I should look into this concept deeper, because perhaps it will help me explain/describe the ideas we are talking about in clearer terms – with a clear concept like linear vs. circular, I can perhaps create diagrams to break up my articles a bit and visually reinforce it – something that is far more effective for men than a long, unbroken article.

This is a little off-topic, but one of the first things I read about religion that really re-ordered the way I viewed religion was a site about, believe it or not,
Atlantis. There is not a lick of things in there about men & women & the concepts we are discussing, but rather is about the author’s thesis (free articles at the top) that Atlantis = The Garden of Eden = Egypt’s Punt = Jason & the Argonauts = etc. etc. It’s all one big story, but simply deciphered in different ways and retold by various cultures in their own way. His over-all thesis is that Atlantis is the story – “the twinkling of reminder of ancient times past” – when the great deluge happened at the end of the Pleistoscene, the ice melted, and for a thousand or so years, the waters kept rising – an up to 400 ft. rise in the oceans – and it would have indeed kept flooding. Most people then, as now, probably lived close to the oceans. If the oceans rose a couple of feet every few decades – people would be aware of it. My city of Vancouver would disappear pretty quick under those conditions. Also, the changing pressures upon the earth’s crust from the weight of the water moving off of the continents and onto the ocean floor, would have probably meant a large amount of earthquakes and volcanoes – Krakatoa type of volcanoes – causing untold destruction. It would have been a very difficult time to survive in.

His overall thesis was that Indonesia used to be Atlantis, and if you lowered the current ocean lavels by 400ft, it would indeed be a “continent,” and it matches Plato’s descriptions, as well as Garden of Eden descriptions, and well, dozens and dozens of religions’ very similar descriptions of “Paradise.” All myths and religions are a twinkling reminder of this ancient time, he claims.

He used to have quite a big forum and I used to go there to discuss things once in a while. He worked on that research for about 20 years, but sadly died of a heart attack a few years ago. His son tried to keep his forum going, but his son’s heart wasn’t into the subject the way his father’s was, and eventually it was shut down. Too bad. It was a fascinating place.

It began to strike me as I read through his evidence, of something completely different – that since all these religions seemed to be talking of the same story – it could also be a big story about the battle between male vs. female. Or in other words, it could also be related into a great big story about mankind’s struggle with The Truth, and the struggle to Rise up From Being Beasts of the Field.

There’s nothing in there that talks about this, but, like I said, his evidence of it all being “the same story” struck me that this could have much deeper, philosophical meaning – to what it means to “be human.”

Or maybe I just had some top quality purple haze that weekend I first found it and couldn’t stop reading it, lol. (As soon as I read it, I was so struck, I started at the beginning almost immediately and read it again – must have been 8 or 9 years ago now).

It’s a shame he linked all of that research to Atlantis, rather than simply calling it what it really is – because as soon as you mention “Atlantis” people think you are a nutter, like when people yap on about the Illuminati as the cause of everything. Lol, btw, on a further side-note – the “Illuminati” and the Freemason BS also goes back to the ancients. The story of the Freemasons comes from, ultimately, the builders of the Tower of Babel, which is also a story found in Ancient Sumeria (they acknowledge the “confounding of the tongues” too), and since the Tower of Babel was a rebellion against God, this is where the Illooominaughty talkers manage to relate it to Lucifer and the Occult. Further, it is the source of where Icke gets his “lizard people” – the gods of the ancient Sumerians were reptilian etc. etc.

Lol, just because I don’t talk about the Illooominaughty doesn’t mean I don’t get the story – I get it – and I also get it how far out into speculation land these people go to claim there is a conspiracy, because even if they don’t know it themselves when they talk of the Illooominaughty, they are utlimately claiming there has been a secret cabal that has existed for 12,000 years – since the Great Deluge. Alright fellas, got it. You know what? You could also simply say, as the Bible points out, that Satan and his followers manipulate the Truth in a rebellion against God, rather than link it back to the Lizard gods of ancient Sumeria. Lol. Sorry, I’ve just broken my vow to never talk or write about the Illooominaughty. That subject irritates me so much, because it undermines everything I’m trying to make people aware of, in a completely unneccessary fashion.

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Mickey T April 7, 2012 at 06:56

I know there is little or no interest in the practical (God forbid remedial) side of the topic of this discussion, but the female DA returned my call because I inquired about her reelection.

I’m showing “poor” men how to get the attention of the people who are making their lives a living hell, and what happens?? What I say gets mocked by idiots and agreed to by those few who are even paying attention.

I get basically ignored, so I won’t bother posting updates.

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Highwasp April 8, 2012 at 13:33

Mickey T – don’t take it personally – you might be surprised how many eyes are reading and appreciating your comments. While most may never comment – I will – your technique of appealing to the self interest of the DA (inquiring about her reelection) is a great piece of advice on how to engage a conversation with the other. Thank you for the work and please post the follow ups. You are not being ignored.

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