Members of Russian Feminist Punk Band “Pussy Riot” Jailed for Desecrating Church

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by W.F. Price on March 16, 2012

After desecrating the altar of Moscow’s Church of Christ the Savior Orthodox church in an attempt to stage an impromptu protest concert, members of “Pussy Riot” were promptly seized by guards, and then later arrested for hooliganism. They remain in jail while debates continue over what punishment would be appropriate. They began a hunger strike, but after getting very hungry gave in and ate some food.

Pussy Riot is an anti-Putin opposition band in which the singers wear brightly colored balaclavas while singing punk rock music denouncing the Putin regime.

Although it may seem incredible in the West, where Christian churches can be desecrated with impunity, the majority of the Russian people are calling for the women’s heads, and it’s likely that they remain in jail as much for their own protection as anything else. Some of the group’s supporters are condemning society rather than Putin for the reaction to the ill-advised protest:

“I’m here because I’m against the hate that society is expressing against these women. I’m against those who are calling us to stone them,” said Maria Sevastyanova.

The women, who acted irresponsibly and could well have put themselves and others in danger, did deserve to be arrested for disorderly conduct and possibly incitement, but I’d argue that the punishment should not be severe so much as it should be embarrassing.

Perhaps, then, they should be sentenced to community service of some sort, such as shoveling manure in the Moscow police stables. They could even wear their brightly colored clothing and balaclavas — that would be quite a sight to behold. Might even make a nice cover for their next album.

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Geography Bee Finalist himself March 16, 2012 at 14:07

“the majority of the Russian people are calling for the women’s heads”

Let’s go with the majority of the Russian people on this one.

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Nico March 16, 2012 at 14:22

They are now pulling the “we-have-little-children” card apparently.

Military men singing against Putin (with more dignity):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCrjfQjB5GU

OT: Sexually Rejected Male Fruit Flies Turn to Booze

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/03/sexually-rejected-flies-turn-to-.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/health/male-fruit-flies-spurned-by-females-turn-to-alcohol.html

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Rebel March 16, 2012 at 14:24

Pussy riots?

ROTFL!

I could see them shoveling manure in Eve’s attire.

That would be a riot!

That would be a great reality Teevee.

LOL!!!

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C.A. George March 16, 2012 at 14:30

“They began a hunger strike, but after getting very hungry gave in and ate some food. ”

Haha! Wonder how long the hunger strike actually lasted? Either way, I’m glad to see these “ladies” being held accountable; wish we would do more of that in the States.

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Traveller March 16, 2012 at 14:35

“I’d argue that the punishment should not be severe so much as it should be embarrassing”

Well I would find difficult imagine what could embarrass those creatures…

Congratulations to Russia for having the strength to give them what they deserved – ie jail, and probably an unbiased process.

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wobbegong March 16, 2012 at 14:42

I googled thier images and noticed that there’s not one really un photogenic one among them. Skanky as though.

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jaego March 16, 2012 at 14:53

God bless the Russian People and Vladimir Putin – their greatest Champion in Centuries. When Madonna was booked to perform, the Priests and Faithful came out shaking their fists and holding up icons of Warrior Saints. She didn’t perform.

Every year the Gays try to march and every year they are shut down. The Police don’t arrest the Protestors, they arrest the Gays. This is how a real Culture works. Why, the Gays cry? Because it’s against public morality and allowing it would cause the demoralization of the people, the Police tell them as they haul them in. You and everyone you know is alienated and demoralized compared to these lucky people who have a Goverment that supports them.

When a Priest did manage to sneak a marriage between Gays, he was defrocked immediately upon discovery and all three excommunicated. The Chapel where it happend was burned.

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Eric Wolf March 16, 2012 at 15:11

They should be sentenced to an appropriate number of hours scrubbing the church’s floors, toilets, etc.

And I’m no christian. I think the fundies are as much of a source for today’s societal degradation as the radical feminists and corporate oligarchs; but I do believe in manners. Walking into another person’s space and insulting them is just rude and crude.

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Keyster March 16, 2012 at 15:28

The only protests American women have the ovaries to pull off are SlutWalks and hiding behind angry unemployed white guys at OWS encampments. Our women have no moxy, unless accompanied by male protectors that “empower” them to be bold and sassy.

They lack the character for direct activism, unless it’s behind a mic in front of a Senate committe.

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Carnivore March 16, 2012 at 15:39

In case anyone doesn’t know the significance of this church building – it was considered the mother church building of Russian Orthodoxy and was the largest/tallest Orthodox church in the world, was built by the Czar in thanksgiving for the defeat of Napoleon’s invasion of Russia and was completely demolished, with dynamite, under the supervision of Lazar Kaganovich, who was also responsible for the famine in the Ukraine that killed millions, among other atrocities. The church was rebuilt after the breakup of the Soviet Union. That this particular church was selected by this “band” was no accident.

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Bufface March 16, 2012 at 15:40

Weak, decadent Christianity fails the shit test, while Islam passes.

This littlen stunt would not be tried at a mosque.

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jso March 16, 2012 at 15:42

it’s surprising there are so many members of their band, if the law actually punishes women for being spoiled brats in their country

unfortunately this will just give them more punk credibility

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mananon March 16, 2012 at 15:55

As far as punishment for these women is concerned, maybe a “spend a day in his shoes” theme would be appropriate. A heavy, uncomfortable day shovelling sand or gravel, wearing heavy uncomfrtable workwear should do the trick. No extended lunchbreak spent shopping online, no gossiping about “male failings”, just a hard miserable day.

That might remind them how comfortable their lives are.

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maxsnafu March 16, 2012 at 16:47

Let them out of jail NOW–and give the police the night off.

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Jerry March 16, 2012 at 16:53

What they did was horrible.
But I love the band’s name!

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Myrmecodon March 16, 2012 at 16:54

Pussy riot? Judging by the photos, it’s because they have neither assets nor titties to offer, which would make the riot much more photogenic(those balaklavas are probably there for a reason.)

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American March 16, 2012 at 16:54

The thing to watch for in Russia is when the “_______ _______” community seek to “Empower” themselves by creating perversion and manufactured statistics with Russian law enforcement.

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Opus March 16, 2012 at 17:06

When I was a child I was told that the Russians were all atheists and that all religion was outlawed. It is now clear to me for various reasons that that was complete nonsense.

I must ask my Russian friend, his view of Putin – but being a Russian all one gets out of him is disinformation – but you have to love their outrage over these sluts.

Over here, if I recall correctly, there are specific punishments for desecrating places of worship. Didn’t the Greeks sentance Socrates friend Alcibiades to death for doing something similar.

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Tom936 March 16, 2012 at 17:08

They began a hunger strike, but after getting very hungry gave in and ate some food.

Guess they didn’t see that coming. You can’t make stuff like this up!

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Uncle Elmer March 16, 2012 at 17:16

“They began a hunger strike, but after getting very hungry gave in and ate some food. ”

Haha! Wonder how long the hunger strike actually lasted?

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5 minutes after their cell phones were taken away.

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Boxer March 16, 2012 at 17:34

Dear Opus:

When I was a child I was told that the Russians were all atheists and that all religion was outlawed. It is now clear to me for various reasons that that was complete nonsense.

Stalin destroyed a few churches and mosques, but religion was intricately bound up with national identity, which was protected in theory. Bear in mind that there is an ethnic identity which goes along with many religions in the west (though it’s an anomaly in a secular place like America). Mormons, for example, have widely differing beliefs (contrast the ideals of Warren Jeffs (a polygamist fundamentalist) with Mitt Romney (the liberal Republican from Massachusetts who claims to believe in god) with Mo Udall (a secular Mormon who openly confessed to being an absolute atheist several times). All are Mormons, and the various churches (or not) that these men belonged to sprang out of a common historical narrative. Mormonism, like Russian Orthodoxy, is the folk religion of a group of people, rather than a totalizing critique of modernity as are most western churches, which have members of all sorts of backgrounds.

In Russia you are born into your religion, whether it’s Islam or Orthodoxy or Judaism or whatever, and it’s a part of the identity of your people. Belief in supernatural spooks are secondary. This makes the Russian view on desecrating an altar very different from our view in the totally secular America, where religion is merely seen as a set of supernatural conventions.

Best, Boxer

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Boxer March 16, 2012 at 17:38

Pussy Riot is an anti-Putin opposition band in which the singers wear brightly colored balaclavas while singing punk rock music denouncing the Putin regime.

It would not surprise me to learn, now or later, that “Pussy Riot” was being funded by the American or British secret police (CIA, MI6, or whatever). This may sound far out, but remember that Gloria Steinem has openly admitted she was a CIA asset. Herbert Marcuse (an early feminist theorist) also worked for the CIA, and before that the OSS (it’s nominal precursor). Pussy Riot is likely a group of naïve young hellraisers who have a handler that gives them their marching orders and tips on causing trouble.

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crowley March 16, 2012 at 17:41

I’d like to see them draw 5 years.

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W.F. Price March 16, 2012 at 17:51

It would not surprise me to learn, now or later, that “Pussy Riot” was being funded by the American or British secret police (CIA, MI6, or whatever). This may sound far out, but remember that Gloria Steinem has openly admitted she was a CIA asset. Herbert Marcuse (an early feminist theorist) also worked for the CIA, and before that the OSS (it’s nominal precursor). Pussy Riot is likely a group of naïve young hellraisers who have a handler that gives them their marching orders and tips on causing trouble.

-Boxer

Nah, not CIA — more like George Soros (he’s got a thing for Eastern European ladies… can you blame him?).

But that brings up an interesting issue. We could just as easily fund a Russian girl-band with a few thousand bucks. That would be pretty funny. Have them sing songs about making men dinner, fetching beer and giving backrubs. I bet they’d be a big hit, and they’d drive the feminists absolutely bonkers.

Johnycomelately March 16, 2012 at 17:56

I wonder what would happen in Saudi Arabia if the chicks there tried to desecrate a mosque? But of course they’re our allies…..

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bruno March 16, 2012 at 17:58

Off topic:

The soldier that shot a bunch of Afghan civillians seems to have gone nuts after trouble with the wife at home.

But the lawyer sais that that’s all nonsense, and blames it all on stress from the war. Just preparing his case, of course.

And everybody else will go along with that, because nobody wants to open that can of worms: the behavior of the sodier’s wives.

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Jim March 16, 2012 at 17:59

I bet they get a “pussy” pass.

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W.F. Price March 16, 2012 at 18:03

The soldier that shot a bunch of Afghan civillians seems to have gone nuts after trouble with the wife at home.

-bruno

Got some links on that? I suspected the same, but we’ll see.

Boxer March 16, 2012 at 18:04

We could just as easily fund a Russian girl-band with a few thousand bucks. That would be pretty funny. Have them sing songs about making men dinner, fetching beer and giving backrubs. I bet they’d be a big hit, and they’d drive the feminists absolutely bonkers.

I tried to find a link, maybe someone could help me. There’s a Putin funded youth group called Naschi, which has a couple of different subsidized rock bands. They’re a little more subtle, but they’re doing that now: injecting femininity into pop-culture.

Naschi summer camps feature marriages, and stress the importance of family life as a communicative cultural process. I saw a documentary in which two teenagers were married and then urged to start having sex immediately (no, I’m not kidding). In many ways Naschi is a strange phenomenon which resembles the Pioneers (in the USSR) or the Hitler Youth of yesteryear, motivated by falling birthrates and unchecked immigration in the far east by Chinese and Koreans.

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Davd March 16, 2012 at 18:14

Seems to me the Russians are practicing gender equality in this case: If a group of young men had gone into the same church and done the same things, and been arrested and held in jail, methinks the outcry in Russia would have been far less even than it was, and vanishingly few Euros and Americans would be complaining.

No pussy pass for wearing riotously colored headmasks. No pussy pass at all: They can feel lucky they didn’t do the analogous in an equally strongly Muslim country. They can feel foolish for having desecrated what most of their fellow Russians hold holy, and learn some respect for faith whether or not they share it. If they get any concession to their sex, it might be to do scut-work for which the female anatomy is more suited–maybe, darning socks for Orthodox monks and nuns while they pray… or cleaning as E. Wolf suggested.

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W.F. Price March 16, 2012 at 18:23

Naschi summer camps feature marriages, and stress the importance of family life as a communicative cultural process. I saw a documentary in which two teenagers were married and then urged to start having sex immediately (no, I’m not kidding). In many ways Naschi is a strange phenomenon which resembles the Pioneers (in the USSR) or the Hitler Youth of yesteryear, motivated by falling birthrates and unchecked immigration in the far east by Chinese and Koreans.

-Boxer

Well, it isn’t too hard to get teens to start having sex immediately :)

However, simply increasing pregnancies isn’t the answer. The Nazis, Communists and other utopian movements of the 20th century tended to focus on simplistic, misguided solutions to problems that had already been solved. For example, each major religion (e.g. Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, etc.) already had a method in place that was superior to what either of these modernist movements proposed. And even primitive societies dealt with it better. The problem was really the displacement that resulted from industrialization (such as removing fathers from homes).

We’re going through a sort of cultural readjustment due to technological shifts, but I think ultimately we’ll get a handle on it. Part of dealing with it will involve reaching back to old wisdom, and another part will involve adapting roles to suit modern realities. We humans are an incredibly flexible species, and I have faith we’ll work it out for the best. Ultimately, fathers will once again have an indispensable role in the family, and that will make all the difference.

PeterTheGreat March 16, 2012 at 18:45

Carnivore@
“was the largest/tallest Orthodox church in the world, was built by the Czar in thanksgiving for the defeat of Napoleon’s invasion of Russia ”

Actually the Cathedral was built by donation, with millions of Russians sending in their kopeks (100 kopeks = 1 ruble) until enough was collected to pay for its construction.

The Communists destroyed it to build a Soviet Congress building, but the ground was too soggy, and so a swimming pool was built instead. It lasted until 1990 and the Fall of Communism, when mayor Yurk Lazhkov rebuilt it. It was paid for from Moscow city funds – some $10 million, even though the ruble had collapsed and Russians were in deep poverty.

I might add that Luzhkov was the one who forbade homosexual parades, stating that homosexuality was satanic – and he would never allow them to parade.

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bruno March 16, 2012 at 18:47

“The soldier that shot a bunch of Afghan civillians seems to have gone nuts after trouble with the wife at home.”

I read it on Drudge Report just a few hours ago, but the link seems to have disappeared already.

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Ollie March 16, 2012 at 18:48

Putin just earned my vote..figuratively speaking.

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PeterTheGreat March 16, 2012 at 18:51

Boxer@
“Stalin destroyed a few churches and mosques”

Actually Lenin and Stalin killed thousands of priests and religious, and desecrated or destroyed numerous Churches. The only thing that stopped this was Hitler’s invasion of the Soviet Union.

Everywhere the German armies went they reopened the Churches and allowed the secret Russian priests to function, or provided priests for them.

To stop the fall of the Soviet, Stalin made a deal with the Russian Orthodox Church to proclaim a “great patriotic war”, released numbers of priests from the gulag, and restored a number of church buildings to the RO Church.

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Avenger March 16, 2012 at 18:54

Carnivore, it’s not only that but when church propertities were returned during the Gorbachev era they had to be restored by the people who paid for it, not the government. It’s not just the significance of it’s being a historical church but the fact that many are sort of like museums of Russian history and people are not going to tolerate any damage to them.
The Hermitage was really destroyed by the Nazies (the art work was removed to a safe place) and had to be reconstructed stone by stone to what you see today. Do you think people are going to tolerate any damage or desecration after going through all of that?
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Of course there are homosexuals in Russia but these demonstrations are all foreign organised to stir up trouble which is why they are prohibited. Their intent and the intent of most of these demonstrations is to weaken Russia from within and the usual culprits, International Jewry, are behind it(they already control most key points in banking and media in the US)
During the Yeltsin era when property was being privitised the average Russian who may have been well educated was still naive about how normal financial markets operated since they had never had an experience of them during the past 70 years. The top Jews though knew what they were doing because although they may be in Moscow for example they are international in nature and certainly knew how things worked in NY or London under the capitalistic system. They managed to get control over most of Russia’s natural resources for kopeks on the ruble during the corrupt Yeltsin regime. Khodokovsky and his comrades got control of Yukos and other resources. He was prosecuted under Putin but you’ll remember how he was portrayed as some sort of martyr in the NY press (Jewish) when in fact he was a pimp and murderer before he pulled off the Yukos etc swindle. People in the US find it hard to believe that an educated civilised looking man can really be such a thug because in the US these types of thugs are all from the uneducated lower classes.
But in Russia even their top heavyweight boxer has a PhD while in the US boxers are all from the ‘hood and the lower ignorant classes.

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Avenger March 16, 2012 at 19:08

W.F. Price March 16, 2012 at 18:23

Naschi summer camps feature marriages, and stress the importance of family life as a communicative ……………….

Not only that but couples who produced children were given I believe about $10k or so. I don’t know if this was in cash or benefits but I guess it was intended to offset the cost of taking care of a child in a country where lack of moeny prevents people from having kids. The tiny State benefits some people receive are not adequate. Everything in Russia is also a lot more expensive than in the US or UK.
Females who go on maternity leave don’t get paid as in the US or UK. I believe they may receive like 1/3 pay while they’re away.

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Avenger March 16, 2012 at 19:15

Although it may seem incredible in the West, where Christian churches can be desecrated with impunity, the

I’m not sure of that. Go into Westminster Abbey or St. Patrick’s in NY and do this and the cops will be there to arrest you.

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Rebel March 16, 2012 at 21:02

What I find most remarkable is this:

In the ex-USSR, the gov. did all it could to eradicate religion and… failed totally
In the U.S.A. the gov. did all it could to preserve Christianity and… failed totally.

This is probably one more proof that whatever the gov does, anywhere in the world is doomed to fail.

Doesn’t it look that way?

Then why do we have to have a gov. to begin with?

Do we really need a governemmemement?

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Aharon March 16, 2012 at 22:07

“I’d argue that the punishment should not be severe so much as it should be embarrassing”

We must be “culturally sensitive” and respect the values and beliefs of other cultures even when we cannot understand them since we are naturally biased and limited by our own life experiences. Therefore, if the people in a foreign culture in a sovereign foreign land wants the heads cut-off of the feminists well then it just wouldn’t be PC of me to interject my Western bias and say otherwise.

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JFinn March 16, 2012 at 22:47

“They began a hunger strike, but after getting very hungry gave in and ate some food.”

LOL!

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Phil March 17, 2012 at 00:03

“these demonstrations are foreign organized”—

100% correct. Good to see someone point this out. The anti-Putin groups are led and paid for by people from a small, wealthy, hyper ethnic group. I wonder who…….

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Avenger March 17, 2012 at 03:29

It’s funny that I should just have mentioned a few things because I had just noticed this video on youtube. he goesinto a bit more detail about what I had been saying for years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJO3la_ZHw8&feature=related

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Avenger March 17, 2012 at 03:54

“The problem was really the displacement that resulted from industrialization (such as removing fathers from homes). ”

That began 200 years ago so why has there been a major problem only in the last 20 years? Yes, maybe some of it began 40 years ago the bulk of it is recent an don a large scale.

“We’re going through a sort of cultural readjustment due to technological shifts, but I think ultimately we’ll get a handle on it. Part of dealing with it will involve reaching back to old wisdom, and another part will involve adapting roles to suit modern realities. We humans are an incredibly flexible species, and I have faith we’ll work it out for the best. Ultimately, ”
fathers will once again have an indispensable role in the family, and that will make all the difference.”

Yes, the world is always changing and people are flexible and must adapt but this change especially of the last generation or two is somehow qualitatively different and against nature. It is not simply being driven by technological advances in society as in the industrial revolution but by some sinister forces.
And btw, every generation believes they are modern and I’m not sure that any of this “old wisdom” is any better than new methods and probably wasn’t even too great in its own time. It’s a common delusion to believe that our ancestors knew things or were wiser about certain things than we are today. Besides, our knowledge of history and societies are very sketchy at best. How many people were really married say in Shakespeare day? It would have only been in a church since the clergy handled them and they would issue a license and post the banns. Or did most people just live together under common law as people do today? You have any statistics on that? Church marriages were for the nobility and people with property and were public with witnesses so they’d be no doubt they were married and their property was under the head of the household. Shakespeare was married in a church but his father was an alderman and his wife Hathaway had property of her own.

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MRAish March 17, 2012 at 06:25

The Russians have a boatload of problems but they have not yet succumbed to the PC mafia, despite the efforts of Pussy Riot, et al, and a lot of your tax dollars which support USG programs promoting “alternative lifestyles” in Russia and around the world.

The strong majority of Russians view “sexual minorities” as deviants and treat them accordingly. We have Putin to thank in no small part for this, since his support of the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) has helped it regain its status as a core institution in Russian public life, which obviously it had lost during decades of Communist persecution. And the ROC ain’t nothing like Churchianity in the US of A.

Even Russia’s Muslims are appalled by Pussy Riot, and say so. Can you improve on the title “Muslim Board offers to punish Pussy Riot with years of forced labor”?

http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=9153

Russian attitudes on PC insanity can be judged by the 2003 incident where a corrupt priest had been bribed to secretly perform a same-sex “wedding” between two men, which was illegal in Russia, civilly and canonically. The ROC determined that the church had been permanently defiled by this awful sin, and bulldozed the building:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/1443705/Same-sex-marriage-chapel-demolished.html

So it’s not so suprising US-backed “gay pride” parades don’t go well in Moscow.

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Master V March 17, 2012 at 07:22

This is Soros-funded garbage aimed at social destabilization.

But the Russians can see through it.

Now if only the North Americans could see through Slut Walk and the like.

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Anonymous age 69 March 17, 2012 at 07:41

>>We humans are an incredibly flexible species, and I have faith we’ll work it out for the best.

Very nice thought, and I’d like to believe it. But, history consistently shows when the order of society which provides for motivation and care of both men and women is broken, the civilization ceases to be a civilization. So, I have no reason to believe we will do any better than the ancient civilizations did with the same mess.

>>It’s a common delusion to believe that our ancestors knew things or were wiser about certain things than we are today.

Oh, yes, they did. They were not considered educated unless they studied the classics, which included the history and mistakes of previous generations. They were well aware of the different types of human personalities, and the nonsense different people would try to get away with.

The false belief that we can learn nothing from the study of history is part of the modern lack of education which destroys our society.

It is in a way akin to the men’s movement. MRA’s seldom study what has been done in the last 45 years, thus each generation of MRA’s makes the same mistakes with no knowledge that those things have been done before and failed, nor why.

Of course, it depends upon exactly which part of history. Every civilization eventually gives women the right to vote, and their incessant demands for protection for themselves at the expense of human justice and men will eventually tear the society apart. But, for example the founders of the US well knew history, and thus the Bill of Rights to protect the people against the always evil government officials.

>>How many people were really married say in Shakespeare day?

Darned good question. I’d like to know the answer, too. I can tell you here in Mexico in the 1600′s, a high percentage of couples were married in the church. But, it may have been a quick marriage in the office, not a full fledged expensive wedding the poor folks could not afford. I have access to those records via Internet y Latter Day Saints data base. I suspect the young couple walked into the church with a witness and asked to be married, and wham bam, it was done, and a note made in the marriage records of the church.

Around our Civil War, President Benito Juarez got in a quarrel with the Church, and they more than deserved it. So, he took marriages away from them. This made marriage too expensive for really poor people. So, still today, at least half of all couples simply “marry themselves” by moving in and setting up housekeeping. Everyone accepts them as truly married, except of course the church and government officials, aka known as control freaks.

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NWOslave March 17, 2012 at 07:43

Communism and feminism being one in the same have the same stated goals. Destroy the family, destroy christianity and transfer all wealth and power from individual men to the State with women recieving state benefits above men for their efforts.

Have you ever heard of feminsts attacking any other faith?
Have you ever heard of feminists promoting the family?
Have you ever heard of feminists promoting mens wealth/power?

These are the stated goals of feminism/communism, and they work remarkably well at destroying any given society.

Feminism is the purest form of communism. No matter how homegenous a society is, there are men and women. The perfect divide to exploit and indoctrinate men as an oppressor class and women as a victim class.

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American March 17, 2012 at 08:00

Is the “Gender-Feminist” communities missinformation and “Manufactured statistics Alliance” with Russian law enforcement even a possibility??
Would the Russian media allow this perversion Alliance to take form???

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Nico March 17, 2012 at 08:06

OT: An interesting paper in Le Figaro :

A new type of home services is developing fast in France (and Europe): repairmen fixing things for single ladies.

Several companies were set up during the last five years and they keep opening new shops in the major cities of France.

The idea: there are many single ladies out there who are clueless about DIY or are simply not interested in fixing things in their home. These working women have the money to hire a man who will come with his tool box and fix the problem.

The name of these companies says it all: “Daddy to fix things”, “The Boyfriends”, “Husband to rent ».

Feminists are outraged by these names because “it suggests that women are helpless without a man or that they can’t fix things like a man”.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/conso/2012/03/07/05007-20120307ARTFIG00715-des-hommes-a-tout-faire-courtisent-les-femmes.php

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W.F. Price March 17, 2012 at 08:21

Feminists are outraged by these names because “it suggests that women are helpless without a man or that they can’t fix things like a man”.

-Nico

I wonder how many feminist websites would remain without men fixing their code, keeping their servers running, and designing/customizing their content management systems.

This is the one major advantage I have here at The Spearhead over Feministing and the like — I can handle most of that work myself and thereby keep costs down.

keyster March 17, 2012 at 09:08

“Do we really need a governemmemement?”

Stalin had a scorched earth policy on religion of any kind. The State was meant to be the “church”.

The First Amendment of the US Constitution made separation of church and state abuntantly clear, but the Left here seeks to destroy any notion of this, because they want the State to be the church as well. You can’t affectively control a citizenry that reports to a “higher power” than government, (for moral guidance if anything else).

The original intent was a minimal federal government that defends our borders and interests abroad, while managing the money supply and adjudicating constitutional matters. The states should have more power and authority then they’re permitted by this administration.

The growth of federal goverment started philosophically with Theodore Roosevelt and continued with Wilson; then FDR implemented it and Johnson piled on later…now we have the latest “wave” of Statists – -Obama and the old Chicago Radical Elites behind his views and ascension…Horkiemer/Marcuse or cultural Marxism strategically and Alinski tactically, the Weather Underground (Ayers) and Black Liberation Theology (Wright). Our President is their man in the White House!

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Blabla March 17, 2012 at 09:19

If this band is against Putin, then they cant be evil. Putin himself is ex-KGB agent. And so are 90% of high ranking goverment officials. Russia has now something like a ruling class, tsekists. Thats from USSR first secret police tseka. They have their own little clans, marrages between clans. Whole goverment is basically russian mafia in bed with ex KGB guys. Since i live pretty close to russia, and i get to see their television, and i speak russian too, i kinda see what mentality this goverment is trying to seed.
Its all THEM vs. US. And total submission to power. Obey your higher-ups and so on. Typical hero, actually all heros in russian tv-shows and soap operas are either undercover policemen or mafia.
Youth organisation NAZI (our people in english) fights against fashism and what not. But they are very close to Hitler-Jugend, mentalty is the same.
So while you all celebrate that family values are promoted in russia. Its alot worse there than in your dreaded feminist utopia. Family values mean shit, cos half of the men are alcoholics, its worse in rural areas. Reason why you hear that russian women are beautiful its cos its really hard to attract a good man, when there arent any simply left.

So go go little russian punk-band. Even if they are feminists, its a right cause.
Oh and the reason why i feel so. My country, Estonia, is right next to russia. If that mentality us vs. them grows bigger. Then we will be conqured again by russia. And rule under Russia is bad, its really fucking bad.

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Uncle Elmer March 17, 2012 at 09:31

The name of these companies says it all: “Daddy to fix things”, “The Boyfriends”, “Husband to rent ».

Feminists are outraged by these names because “it suggests that women are helpless without a man or that they can’t fix things like a man”.

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The “feminist” should stop vexing about the naming schemes and pay attention the the fact that “handymen” are notorious grifters and scammers.

Here in the SouthWest, Purple Saguaro Home Repair might be a good moniker.

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Lovekraft March 17, 2012 at 09:33

Although the number bandied around about how many MRAs there are is in the low thousands, I think stories like this demonstrate that the extent of counter-feminists are much more widespread.

With Western countries drowning in debt and unfunded liabilities, their attempts to export their PC ideology will be scorned by other countries. The West is morally and financially on the brink of bankruptcy and the world knows this (except the progressives, of course).

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Boxer March 17, 2012 at 09:38

Dear NWO Slave:

Feminism is the purest form of communism.

Meat is the purest form of potatoes. Red is the purest form of white. Such statements make no sense.

“Communism” seems to be defined by the uneducated on this site as a catch-all for “things I don’t like”. The Amish and Hutterites in North America practice communism, for example.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987460/posts
Are these people feminists?

The first chapter of the book of Acts in the Judaeo-Christian “New Testament” goes: All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (Acts 2:44-45)

I guess by the-spearhead’s definition all Christians are feminists too, or at least the early Christian apostles were, according to Rabbi Saul of Tarsus, who wrote the book, since they were practicing communism too. Karl Marx cited both those examples when he was theorizing his political movement, mind you (read vol 1 of Capital).

Try to figure out the real definitions of the things you want to criticize. Otherwise you sound like a half-baked kook like Keyster, who makes up new definitions for political movements and thinks he’s s00per d00per kewl, man.

For those who want the real history, here’s the scoop. The place feminism took off was 1950s USA, the same place Joseph McCarthy lived, and both were the fruit of the same underlying society. No communist or socialist country is part of “the anglosphere”, where feminism is strongest today. Feminism is an American creation, birthed by the USA Constitution, with roots in English literary romanticism (those lake poets started worshipping women) and a puritan social ethic.

Regards, Boxer

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Boxer March 17, 2012 at 09:43

Feminists are outraged by these names because “it suggests that women are helpless without a man or that they can’t fix things like a man”.

Start dating moderately successful (by feminist standards) women, and take careful note of what their houses look like.

I’ve had several short-term/sexual relationships with university professors, attorneys, accountants and physicians in the last couple of years. These weren’t 10s, but they were 7-8 class women with high powered careers. You know, the women who “don’t need a man”.

Their houses were, on average, disaster zones. Forget fixing the sink, most of these women didn’t seem to have time to do laundry (in the case of the physician, she had filthy clothes in piles around her basement, the stench mingling with uncleaned cat litter boxes). The attorney I’m thinking of would clean the front part of her big apartment, but her bedroom had papers and clothes strewn about the floor so haphazardly that a fella couldn’t even walk in there.

Women are pigs, on average, much worse than men are.

Regards, Boxer

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Uncle Elmer March 17, 2012 at 09:48

Why You Remain Stuck in a Career You Hate

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kathycaprino/2012/03/17/why-you-remain-stuck-in-a-career-you-hate/

Elmer distills his timeless wisdom for their consumption :

elmer 1 minute ago

Work sucks. Get used to it.

Have you finished those TPS reports yet?

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Pops March 17, 2012 at 10:56

Got some links on that? I suspected the same, but we’ll see.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/17/world/asia/afghan-shooting-suspect-identified-as-army-staff-sgt-robert-bales.html

But one senior government official said Thursday that Sergeant Bales had been drinking alcohol before the killings and that he might have had marital problems.

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Poester99 March 17, 2012 at 11:00

I wonder if their music is any good? One thing I’ve learned about celebrities and bands is to treat their politics and music separate, because usually they’re usually just so goddam stupid about everything else…

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NWOslave March 17, 2012 at 11:25

@Boxer

Normally I agree with most of what you say, however, in this case I disagree.

Communism is total state control with a defined oppressor class, the bourgeois, and a defined victim class, the peasants.

Feminism is total state control with a defined oppressor class, men, and a defined victim class, women.

I see no difference between the two other than the definition of who falls into which class.

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Boxer March 17, 2012 at 11:35

Dear NWO Slave:

Communism is total state control with a defined oppressor class, the bourgeois, and a defined victim class, the peasants.

The word communism has a much broader definition than this one. It’s an economic model based upon community rather than individuality. The ethical underpinnings of it go back probably to Kant’s categorical imperative (universalizability, in the simplest possible way).

In any case, the feminists were chased out of the USSR by Krushchev who, at least in hindsight, suspected they were western inspired troublemakers.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16340470/The-Ukrainian-Weekly-198031
Scroll down to the second page and you’ll see one of dozens of examples, this one from 1980. The USSR wasn’t friendly to feminists. Note that this old dissident newspaper was published for an American audience, and 30 years ago they conflate the phenomenon with “persecution of women” (the adjoining article is not an accident) rather than what it was, namely the arrest and deportation of troublemakers by a healthier society. It’s a shame that the USA didn’t nip its feminist movement in the bud back then too, but then it started here, not there.

In any event, communism is not feminism, and they’re not even related to each other. The nations which export the feminist ideology have been the anti-communist nations: USA, Sweden, UK. You can call feminism communism, but educated people will know you’re either deceptive or utterly misinformed.

Regards, Boxer

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Omti March 17, 2012 at 11:38

I can’t say I like the situation. They should have done their protest in front of the church and not in the church, so a punishment is certainly deserved, but on the other hand it’s only that harsh because they critizized Putin.

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keyster March 17, 2012 at 12:24

“Feminism is an American creation, birthed by the USA Constitution, with roots in English literary romanticism (those lake poets started worshipping women) and a puritan social ethic.”

In case you don’t know this already, any criticism of Communism touches a nerve with Mr. Boxer.

The origins of Feminism 2.0, trace back to the Frankfurt School of the 1930′s where Boxer’s heroes Adorno, Gramsci, Horkheimer, Fromm and Henry Marcuse (using Critical Theory) figured out how to destroy Capitalism.

Marcuse and Fromm were the first to posit gender roles were a “social construct”, (everything was a “social construct” to these manipulative assholes) and that women needed to be “liberated from patriarchy”. His book “Eros and Civilization” is the Leftist/Feminist bible in academia to this day. Yes, the founders of the modern Feminist narrative were actually men, who sought to exploit women as “useful idiots” to further the Hegel/Marxist cause in America.

Communism is to “commune” all citizens, their work and resources “for the greater good” of the society, as an egalitarian utopia enforced by a central government. This is the only way feminists see women ever achieving TRUE “equality” with men, socially and economically, or being directly “independent” of them individually.

Trying to convince Mr. Boxer that Communism kinda sorta failed over 20 years ago, (except for the Cuban and North Korean “utopias”), is a hopeless endeavor. He’s an indocrinated academic idealogue.

For those that are interested Google around some of these names and concepts. Understanding the root reveals the tree.

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Boxer March 17, 2012 at 12:28

The kook Keyster yammers:

In case you don’t know this already, any criticism of Communism touches a nerve with Mr. Boxer.

This is an excellent example of the femininity of Keyster, who has no legitimate arguments and thus, like the woman she is, has to stoop to personal insults.

Knowing what one is talking about before he speaks is a distinctly masculine value. Keyster doesn’t know my politics, nor does she know anything about politics in general. She lumps feminism in with communism, touts the feminist USA and its feminist republican party (LOL!) and just flames anyone who disagrees with her.

She also has boasted of “dating” children as young as fourteen, while in her twenties. No doubt she got the pussy pass when confronted in real life with that.

http://8oxer.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/not-surprising-2/

All the better, so she can sit on the internet 24/7 and disrupt men who theorize about their own liberation.

Regards, Boxer

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Joe March 17, 2012 at 12:50

“In any event, communism is not feminism, and they’re not even related to each other.”

That’s nonsense. Do you think it’s a coincidence that The Communist Manifesto was published the same year as the Seneca Fall’s Convention?

The same Communist manifesto that claims marriage will be abolished?

Do you think it’s a coincidence Women’s Suffrage and Communist revolutions occurred at the same time?

The high rate of abortions in Russia, the change of the divorce laws, the introduction of women into male careers, all these came with the Bolshevik revolution.

Anyone who says feminism and Communism are unrelated is the one who seems uneducated. Uneducated in the only way that really matters – about the truth. Plenty of “educated” people like to sneer at anyone who resists the leftist agenda.

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Neil March 17, 2012 at 13:11

“Feminism is the purest form of communism.”

Funny, suggest you read:

“Adam Smith and David Ricardo expressed cautious optimism that an unhindered market in labor would provide the ordinary working man a large enough wage to marry and raise a few children; but neither claimed to have demonstrated the necessity of this. Radicals such as Marx and Engels soon challenged the idea, maintaining that capitalism transformed labor into an ordinary commodity which women and even children could sell to capitalists at a fraction of the cost for adult men. The traditional autonomy and solidarity of the family would thereby fall prey to industrial efficiency and the Faustian quest for profits. Later liberal economists such as J. S. Mill and Alfred Marshall came to agree with the Marxists that the capitalist market economy makes no natural accommodation to the family.

The Marxists also appear to be correct that the loss of family autonomy through wage competition is a development specific to capitalism…

As early as 1825, an editorial in a British newspaper declared:

The labouring men of this country should return to the good old plan of subsisting their wives and children on the wages of their own labour, and they should demand wages high enough for this purpose. By doing this, the capitalist will be obliged to give the same wages to men alone which they now give to men, women, and children. [Labourers must] prevent their wives and children from competing with them in the market and beating down the price of labour. (p. 38)

No “law of economics” prevents such insulation of women and children from the labor market. All societies treat certain things they especially value as extra commerciam—outside the scope of market exchange. There need be no market for beef, for example, in a country where cows are considered sacred. Or again, as long as a market in slaves existed they were subject to the same law of supply and demand as any other commodity; but this market could be abolished, and was. Similarly, there need be no market for women’s labor in a country which values home life and family solidarity more than maximal industrial efficiency. Except under rare conditions involving extreme destitution—e.g., where women’s or children’s wage work might be necessary to allow everyone in a family to eat adequately—any society can enjoy as much family autonomy as it is willing to pay for in such efficiency. Proponents of family-centered “third ways” believe such a tradeoff worthwhile; some may disagree, but there is no economic absurdity involved in the idea…

As early as 1866, delegates to the First Socialist International “approved a resolution calling for bans on the employment of women. The measure’s sponsors reasoned that working women pressed down overall wage levels and displaced men; in their view, working women were the equivalent of strikebreakers” (p. 113). Sweden’s Social Democratic Party adopted this view, and for many years it remained normative for Swedish “progressives.”

The author draws our attention, for instance, to Ellen Karolina Sofia Key: socialist, feminist, eugenics advocate, disciple of Darwin and Nietzsche. None of these commitments prevented her from laying heavy emphasis on the maternal role and its importance to individual women, their children, and the society of the future. Woman was “most free,” she wrote, “in the physical and psychic exercise of the function of maternity.” The mother was an “artist in education” who understood “the enormous significance of the first years.” What she most requires to fulfill this role properly is time, time, and again time.” She believed the State should place as high a priority upon proper mothering as upon military service. For many years a popular women’s magazine, Morning Breeze, propagated Key’s ideal of the socialist housewife, carrying illustrations of athletic-looking Nietzschean Übermütter surrounded by swarms of healthy children (pp. 114–17)…

http://www.counter-currents.com/2010/11/the-family-way/

Simplistic analysis of blaming Communism is convenient but doesn’t tell all the facts.

When you make “profit” and “freedom” peddled by people like Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard (who wrote about “flourishing child markets” in a “free” society), and Mises your buzzwords then society heads towards disaster just as under unfettered Communism.

Was John Stuart Mill a “seekrit commie” when he wrote “The Subjection of Women”?

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keyster March 17, 2012 at 13:33

Oh sorry, forgot to mention whenever anyone dares call Mr. Boxer out on any of his bullshit high-brow proclamations in defense of the former USSR and it’s oppressive “party leaders”, he can only respond with personal ridicule and invective…which is much easier than something as obtuse as reason and rationality.

Right out of Saul Alinsky’s playbook.

Regards, Keyster

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Neil March 17, 2012 at 13:39

Furthermore the biggest proponents and exporters of feminism and slut culture are not Cuba, North Korea, or the former USSR but the so called “free” America, UK etc.

Madonna is American NOT a Soviet citizen.

When you let the market run loose with no restrictions you may get more efficiency but you also lose many things that you can’t put a price on like a sense of community, and family.

Everything is about “profit”, you see the same thing with illegals who come to America for a better life but who is hiring them?

American businesses who think making an extra buck is the important thing, the illegals wouldn’t be there if they weren’t hired.

Let me end it with a speech by LKY, a man with actual experience in the real world instead of spinning out theories from his armchair:

“Let me first explain our fundamental policy: home ownership for every family. In 1959 when I took office, I noted that fast-growing cities in Asia lacked housing. Homes in these cities were small rooms at high rentals. Therefore, they decorated their cars as if they were their homes. But these additions have no lasting value. I decided that we must be different.

We wanted Singapore to be a home-owning society. By the 1980s, we had housed 85% of the population. It is a short time. If we had not helped our citizens to own their homes, Singapore would be very different. Society would not be so stable. Our lives would have been worse off…

Our families own their homes and are rooted to Singapore. Owning their homes gives everybody a sense of ownership. Moreover, with NS, every family must have a stake in a property to defend.

http://www.news.gov.sg/public/sgpc/en/media_releases/agencies/istana/speech/S-20110322-1.html

Very abhorrent I am sure to “free” Americans (who don’t seem to mind pointless trillion dollar wars using taxpayer money).

And here is some downright kooky stuff from your “capitalist” heroes:

More specifically I have to wonder if they are socially retarded. I have suggested that an attraction to libertarianism is in part a function of your personality. Normal people rarely become libertarians, rather, it’s a ideology driven by young non-alpha males with Roark/Galt fantasies. There are many more Justin Raimondo & Eric Garris types than Mark Cubans in hard-core libertarianism. Any survey of the biographies of von Mises or Murray Rothbard emphasizes their stubborn heterodox tendencies; but at this point I just wonder if they were social retards to whom their a priori logic was plausible because they really weren’t as complicated as most humans, who engage in habitual and casual hypocrisy and contradiction. I recall reading Rothbard once explaining how one might buy and sell children in “flourishing child markets” in an anarcho-capitalist order. Even then I remember thinking, “Dude is weird….”

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/01/so-why-isnt-austrian-school-of.php

“flourishing child markets”, yay for the free market and liberty!

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ben March 17, 2012 at 14:41

neil, boxer, etc. why not just ignore keyster the troll? he seems devoted to insulting everyone and ruining the blog.

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Art Vandelay March 17, 2012 at 14:41

Hey guys, I’m going to create a set of BINGO cards to make Americans comments more fun. So far I got this words:

Gender-Raunch
Protocol Perversions
Pork bloating
Gender Feminist
Semantics Games
Law enforcement
Manufactured Statistics

Got any more?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMRo5XCKddQ

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Peace Debts March 17, 2012 at 15:31

American right-wingers’ obsession with Putin and his regime is constant source of lulz for many Russians. Come on, if you love and support Putin so much, why not support Obama? Or Cameron? Or Sarkozy? It’s the same shit. Putin ain’t nothing but a puppet. He decides nothing, he determines nothing. He plays his role prescribed by the masters. He just talks chauvinistic bullshit which is liked by the masses while “the elites” are busy doing their business. Everything about that plutocratic regime is fake, bogus and pathetic. It’s basically a slightly modified USSR, just at a later stage of degeneration and decline.

“the majority of the Russian people are calling for the women’s heads” – the majority of Russian people don’t give a damn. The majority of Russian people ain’t religious at all. The majority of young Russian people in so called “Russian” “Federation” want to emigrate to Europe, North America or Australia. After another 12 years of Putin there won’t be no Russia no more, just a dozen of new khanates, sultanates, emirates and caliphates…

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Ted March 17, 2012 at 15:48

“Got any more?”

Yer

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bruno March 17, 2012 at 17:33

So it seems that the Soldier who went nuts and killed some Afghan civilians, just heard that his wife put their house on the market, to sell it for 50.000 dollars less than what they payed for it 7 years ago. A lower sum than what they still owed to the bank.

3 days later he goes bezerk and randomly kills some Afghans.

But that’s probably just coincidence.

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Uncle Elmer March 17, 2012 at 19:07

Got any more?

—————

“rogure”

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keyster March 17, 2012 at 19:13

“Any survey of the biographies of von Mises or Murray Rothbard emphasizes their stubborn heterodox tendencies; but at this point I just wonder if they were social retards to whom their a priori logic was plausible because they really weren’t as complicated as most humans, who engage in habitual and casual hypocrisy and contradiction.”

The Frankfurt School’s pretzel logic babbling, cloaked in philosophical relevance and critical theory are alive and well in the 21st century. If you’d prefer a government that tells you what to do and when to do it in the interest of an egalitarian utopia, go live there and leave America out of it.

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Boxer March 17, 2012 at 19:51

The Frankfurt School’s pretzel logic babbling, cloaked in philosophical relevance and critical theory are alive and well in the 21st century.

Really? Do expound, Keyster kook. I’ll pop some popcorn and eagerly await your expert analysis of the Frankfurters. LOL!

Regards, Boxer

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Boxer March 17, 2012 at 20:04

Dear Neil:

Furthermore the biggest proponents and exporters of feminism and slut culture are not Cuba, North Korea, or the former USSR but the so called “free” America, UK etc.

That’s correct. Feminists were arrested, jailed and deported in the USSR, beginning in the Krushchev era up until the present day. The anti-communist axis was the center of Feminist theory and praxis, always has been. UK, USA, Sweden, etc.

While your efforts to school Keyster are admirable, you’ll find that she is simply here to provide entertainment, much like that retarded kid who ate his own snot in the second grade. He doesn’t know anything about political or social trends, and really isn’t good for much.

More specifically I have to wonder if they are socially retarded. I have suggested that an attraction to libertarianism is in part a function of your personality. Normal people rarely become libertarians, rather, it’s a ideology driven by young non-alpha males with Roark/Galt fantasies.

I don’t think I’m with you on this.

Libertarianism is much like Marxism-Leninism in that it’s an *all or nothing* socio-historical structure. The reason the Wehrmacht swept into the USSR in the 1930s is due to the individualistic ideal of the whole experiment. If you have a bunch of independent communards who are expected to defend their towns with the rifles that are hanging over the mantles, then you’d better set up such an experiment in a country which doesn’t have an aggressive, fascist dictatorship next door.

Consider the fate of, say, Wyoming, if the people there declared their independence and inaugurated a Libertarian government. They’d be squashed by the American Marines in a weekend, for all the same reasons the Russians and Ukrainians fell to the Germans in the 20th century. The USSR had the space to evacuate people to, and had a remnant of the old red army to build upon in the mean time. A libertarian society probably wouldn’t have those advantages.

That doesn’t mean that Libertarianism is useless. It just hasn’t ever been tried, and can’t be tried in a militarized world. Decentralizing political power leaves people at the mercy of their neighbors, and as such it’s more of an ideal than a practical idea, now as then.

Regards, Boxer

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Rmaxd March 17, 2012 at 20:30

Excellent post by Neil …

Btw Boxers right, its pointless trying to educate keyster, you cant educate people who refuse to educate themselves …

Keysters basically a mainstreamer, who cant think outside his social indoctrinated ideals

He mistakes popular social concepts as absolute ideology & has a very biased opinion against anything none-mainstream

In short not enough clues, & a high gloss of verbiage, entertaining yes, but ultimately not sophisticated enough to be useful …

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Rmaxd March 17, 2012 at 20:35

@Vanderlay

Lay off American, he’s been posting here longer then most of us

Show some respect

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PBL March 17, 2012 at 20:51

The growth of federal goverment started philosophically with Theodore Roosevelt and continued with Wilson;

wrong friend. it started with Lincoln

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Fabron March 17, 2012 at 22:27

Here’s a translation of Pussy Riot’s lyrics — by a Canadian professor who speaks Russian and is familiar with Russian politics and pop culture.

http://www.jehsmith.com/1/2012/03/pussies-vs-dicks-in-russia.html

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Aharon March 18, 2012 at 00:02

“If this band is against Putin, then they cant be evil.”

Sure they can be evil or some other extreme negative word. Putin might be evil, and for now I’ll say he is evil. A group opposed to him politically does not make the group automatically good especially if the group has ‘evil’, immoral, biased, selfish, female-supremacist, misandrist, etc values of its own.

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American March 18, 2012 at 02:26

Art, hey at least i have something original to say, which is more than many who crtique me can say. If i just regurgitated the nonsense that others say, maybe i would be more liked around here??

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American March 18, 2012 at 02:32

It must be hard on some mens rights activists that post here, ( ones that have nothing original to add to the discussion), to see others crafting, and forging ideas.

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American March 18, 2012 at 02:36

Hey art u missed one
“Eunech Revolt”.

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Ted March 18, 2012 at 03:08

“It must be hard on some mens rights activists that post here, ( ones that have nothing original to add to the discussion), to see others crafting, and forging ideas.”

And crafting and forging new spellings, too.

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American March 18, 2012 at 06:16

Ted, you have been a knat about my spelling for a while now. I have realised that folks that have limited creative capacity ( their brains are stagnant, or “stunted” if you will), get defensive when they see others with creative capacities to forge new ideas, and new spellings.
One of their “getting defensive” tactics is to attack their more creative brethren, is with the old anal “You spelled it wrong…You spelled it wrong!!!”

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Neil March 18, 2012 at 06:35

Keyster why don’t you respond to specifics instead of giving me retarded libertarian buzz words?

Was John Stuart Mill a “commie”?

If feminism = communism then why is it that most world famous feminist icons come from the so called “free” world?

Why is your “free” US bombing goat herds saying they want to “improve” the lives of Afghan women?

You are dumb enough to think that feminism began with the Frankfurt school lol.

Gov’t will always tell you what to do in many things you socially retarded moron (they have been violating “liberty” that from the very beginning in US whether it be with the slaves or when Jefferson went ahead with the Louisiana purchase even though he knew that it was unconstitutional), you won’t get to sell children in “flourishing markets” the way heroic libertarian Murray Rothbard thought you could.

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Anonymous March 18, 2012 at 07:27

“If feminism = communism then why is it that most world famous feminist icons come from the so called “free” world?”

Well, communism must be of the West as well, since the founder of Marxism spent most of his life living in London, as well as it being his burial place.

Marxism has no nationality, just like Christianity has no nationality.

“Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.” – Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p.10

I guess she’s just another mookedie-mook who doesn’t know what she means as well. Maybe Boxer can set her straight.

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Avenger March 18, 2012 at 07:47

But, it may have been a quick marriage in the office

Yes, sort of like the Friar who was going to marry Romeo and Juliet with perhaps Juliet’s maid as a witness and they were both from prominent families in Verona. I’m sure that there were marriage customs but they probably varied with class. Perhaps all a peasant fathe rhad to do was deliver his daughter after making an agreement to a man’s house and that was a marriage.
Only the very important were married in what would be considered just an ordinary wedding today and it probably had t be very public so that no party could claim that they were never married.

>>It’s a common delusion to believe that our ancestors knew things or were wiser about certain things than we are today.

Oh, yes, they did. They were not considered educated unless they studied the classics

I didn’t mean that people shouldn’t study the past or the classics and assumed that an educated person has done so.I meant that we should not be ruled by the past and not just assume that people in the past were somehow more intelligent.

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Avenger March 18, 2012 at 08:36

Ted, you have been a knat about my spelling for a while now

Don’t you mean gnat? :)

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Boxer March 18, 2012 at 09:37

Dear “Anonymous”:

Well, communism must be of the West as well, since the founder of Marxism spent most of his life living in London, as well as it being his burial place.

So, you mean, that before there was any sort of communist or socialist government anywhere on earth, Karl Marx lived in a capitalist country, therefore feminism and communism are the same thing, despite the fact that feminism 2.0 was bankrolled by the anti-communist CIA (Steinem) and feminists were regularly imprisoned and expelled from communist and socialist countries.

Wow, what a logician our “anon” is. This all makes such perfect sense! Freedom is slavery! Communism is the purest form of feminism! War is peace!

Now I shall quit my day job, and join Keyster-kook in trying to disrupt the spearhead 24/7, on behalf of the feminist Republican party of the USA, reminding all you men that you’re just wasting your time. You need to just vote for the GOP and thereby the feminists will disappear “real soon now”. Maybe Keyster can show me some of the pick up lines he uses on kids at the junior high playground while he’s at it. LOL!

Regards, Boxer

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namae nanka March 18, 2012 at 10:37

“despite the fact that feminism 2.0 was bankrolled by the anti-communist CIA (Steinem) ”

2.0?

“In May 1975, Redstockings, a radical feminist group, raised the question of whether Steinem had continuing ties with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).[19][20] Though she admitted to having worked for a CIA-financed foundation in the late 1950s and early 1960s, Steinem denied any continuing involvement.[21] Steinem was also a member of Democratic Socialists of America.[22]”

or that Betty Friedan was a commie?

“and feminists were regularly imprisoned and expelled from communist and socialist countries”

So since mensheviks and bolsheviks struggled against each other, that proves that they had nothing to do with each other? Or since Stalin expelled Trotsky, Trotsky must have been a paragon of anti-communism.

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Anonymous March 18, 2012 at 11:01

Dear Boxer,

Perhaps you should spend a little time reading articles such as these, as they make clear what people are arguing about when they claim that feminism is Marxism:

The Marxist Prescription for Women’s Liberation

“In the 1840′s, Marx concocted this bizarre theory: Since working men were oppressed by capitalist economies, then women were doubly-victimized by the effects of capitalism and patriarchy.

This is how Karl Marx and Frederick Engels explained it in their 1848 Communist Manifesto: “What is the present family based on? On capitalism, the acquisition of private property… The bourgeois sees in his wife nothing but production.”

In his 1884 book, The Origin of the Family, Engels elaborated on the theme of patriarchal oppression: “The overthrow of mother was the world historical defeat of the female sex. The man took control in the home also; the woman was degraded and reduced to servitude; she became the slave of his lust and a mere instrument for the production of children.””

(Here are a few more quotes that follow with this Marxist-feminist theme):

“The first class opposition that appears in history coincides with the development of the antagonism between man and woman in monogamous marriage, and the first class oppression coincides with that of the female sex by the male.” — Frederick Engels, The Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State (New York, International Publishers, 1942), p.58

“The first condition of the liberation of the wife is to bring the whole female sex back into public industry, and this in turn demands the abolition of the monogamous family as the economic unit of society.” [Engels, p.67]

“Women are the creatures of an organized tyranny of men, as the workers are the creatures of an organized tyranny of idlers.” — Eleanor Marx (Daughter of Karl), The Woman Question

From When Family Dissolution becomes the Law of the Land

“So in 1918, Lenin introduced a new marriage code that outlawed church ceremonies. Lenin opened state-run nurseries, dining halls, laundries and sewing centers. Abortion was legalized in 1920, and divorce was simplified.

In a few short years, most of the functions of the family had been expropriated by the state. By 1921, Lenin could brag that “in Soviet Russia, no trace is left of any inequality between men and women under law.”

But Lenin’s dream of gender emancipation soon disolved into a cruel nightmare of social chaos.

First, the decline of marriage gave rise to rampant sexual debauchery. Party loyalists complained that comrades were spending too much time in love affairs, so they could not fulfill their revolutionary duties.

Not suprisingly, women who were sent out to labor in the fields and factories stopped having babies. In 1917, the average Russian woman had borne six children. By 1991, that number had fallen to two. This fertility free-fall is unprecedented in modern history.

But it was the children who were the greatest victims. As a result of the break-up of families, combined with civil war and famine, countless numbers of Russian children found themselves without family or home. Many ended up as common theives or prostitutes.

In his recent book, “Perestroika,” Mikhail Gorbachev reflected on 70 years of Russian turmoil: “We have discovered that many of our problems — in children’s and young people’s behaviour, in our morals, culture and in production — are partially caused by the weakening of family ties.””

From V.I. Lenin’s 1921 speach on International Working Women’s Day

“But you cannot draw the masses into politics without drawing in the women as well. For under capitalism the female half of the human race is doubly oppressed. The working woman and the peasant woman are oppressed by capital, but over and above that, even in the most democratic of the bourgeois republics, they remain, firstly, deprived of some rights because the law does not give them equality with men; and secondly—and this is the main thing—they remain in household bondage”, they continue to be “household slaves”, for they are overburdened with the drudgery of the most squalid, backbreaking and stultifying toil in the kitchen and the family household.

No party or revolution in the world has ever dreamed of striking so deep at the roots of the oppression and inequality of women as the Soviet, Bolshevik revolution is doing. Over here, in Soviet Russia, no trace is left of any inequality between men and women under the law. The Soviet power has eliminated all there was of the especially disgusting, base and hypocritical inequality in the laws on marriage and the family and inequality in respect of children.

This is only the first step in the liberation of woman. But none of the bourgeois republics, including the most democratic, has dared to take oven this first step. The reason is awe of “sacrosanct private property.

The second and most important step is the abolition of the private ownership of land and the factories. This and this alone opens up the way towards a complete and actual emancipation of woman, her liberation from “household bondage” through transition from petty individual housekeeping to large-scale socialised domestic services.”

Roots of American Culture and Community in Disarray

“FAMILY LAW, CHILD SUPPORT, AND WELFARE FROM MARXISM?

Many people would be shocked to learn that much of the current “family law” system we have today, which is at the heart of so much of our modern social upheaval and America’s “welfare state,” was born in the Soviet Union. Still more shocking would be the revelation that when the Soviet Union discovered its system was a disastrous failure, it instituted serious reforms in the early 1940’s to try to restore the family and the country. The Soviets made these changes when fatherlessness (which included children from divorced fathers) reached around 7 million children and their social welfare structure (day cares, kindergartens, state children’s facilities, etc.) was overburdened. Yet in America, some studies suggest that we are approaching 11 or 12 million such children. All the while, the social and financial costs of welfare and fatherlessness are just now gaining more widespread attention. America’s fatherlessness crisis is primarily by judicial making with the cooperation of the legions of lawyers and bureaucrats who profit from family destruction which rips America apart.

Unfortunately, the Soviet reforms came too late and never brought about the extent of social reconstruction that would have allowed recovery from its self-inflicted social destruction. It was unable to stave off its widely celebrated collapse when the Berlin wall came down. Even though the Soviets tried in vain to restore the social values they had worked so hard to eradicate…”

Small wonder so many people insist that Marxism and feminism are joined at the hip.

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Boxer March 18, 2012 at 11:06

Trotsky must have been a paragon of anti-communism

Trotsky was a strident anti-Stalinist communist. He had a student named Irving Kristol, who was the godfather of American neo-Conservatism.

http://www.pbs.org/arguing/nyintellectuals_krystol_2.html

His book *Memoirs of a Trotskyist* is quite revealing. Donald Rumsfeld, Vice President Dick Cheney, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz are all students of this movement, built on the legacy of the Bolshevik revolution and the first commissar of the Red Army, Leon Trotsky. They were the ideological catalyst for the destruction of the USSR.

Regards, Boxer

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JeremiahMRA March 18, 2012 at 11:15

“They began a hunger strike, but after getting very hungry gave in and ate some food.”

Pathetic.

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keyster March 18, 2012 at 11:15

We are right in our opinions of Communism, which makes you by default wrong. We can boldy proclaim something like: “..”.the feminists were chased out of the USSR by Krushchev who, at least in hindsight, suspected they were western inspired troublemakers.”

And then point to a link from an obscure Ukranian newpaper from 1980, where on its 2nd page is an article about 3 women being expelled for “urging Soviet women to convince their husbands to go to prison, rather than fight in Afghanistan”. Some feminists they were!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16340470/The-Ukrainian-Weekly-198031

And Khrushchev was in office from 1953 to 1964 and there is no record of his views on feminism or taking action against it. He died in 1971.

If one is compelled to go such extremes to prove that the USSR was somehow a bunch radically anti-feminist “good guys” – they’re desperate, and they have an ideological agenda to promote Communism on a Men’s Rights forum based in the USA (of all places!).

In 1958, Steinem was recruited by CIA´s Cord Meyers to direct an “informal group of activists” called the “Independent Research Service.” This was part of Meyer´s “Congress for Cultural Freedom,” which created magazines like “Encounter” and “Partisan Review” to promote a left-liberal chic to oppose Marxism. Steinem, attended Communist-sponsored youth festivals in Europe, published a newspaper, reported on other participants, and helped to provoke riots. Her media connections formed there helped her create Ms. Magazine. She was, and always has been a liberal first and a feminist second. The CIA is also a Leftist leaning organization.

There was never any CIA plot to use feminists to divide America. There didn’t need to be as long academia and mass media were on their side.

See how responded to your comments without using personal insults and derision, you know like an adult might do? Try it.

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Boxer March 18, 2012 at 11:16

Dear Anon:

Perhaps you should spend a little time reading articles such as these, as they make clear what people are arguing about when they claim that feminism is Marxism:

I actually read Marx in the original when I was an undergrad and have spent a decade so far, in school, studying this movement. I can criticize communism and Marx much more effectively than Keyster can, as a result.

Kooky conspiracy articles from non peer-reviewed sources written by emotional people with axes to grind don’t really cut it. They might impress uneducated nutters like Keyster, but they never sum to a coherent historical totality and are chock full of holes. Saying that feminism is communism is as silly as saying seawater is cow’s milk. They are only related in the most cursory fashion (both liquids) and nobody with any background is going to be impressed by such comparisons.

Regards, Boxer

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Anonymous March 18, 2012 at 11:37

“I actually read Marx in the original when I was an undergrad and have spent a decade so far, in school, studying this movement. I can criticize communism and Marx much more effectively than Keyster can, as a result.

Kooky conspiracy articles from non peer-reviewed sources written by emotional people with axes to grind don’t really cut it. — Boxer

Q: … but has any researcher made a serious longitudinal study on this?

A: Maybe you should do a longitudinal study on the overall effectiveness of always depending on longitudinal studies.

Cigarettes may be useful for distance runners?!? (or, How to prove anything with a review article)

I’ll leave you to it, professor. Who could argue with an acade-wucha-ma-dilly-tition? By default, you think you are so smart that it is beneath you to consider anyone’s views who has lesser education than you. Certainly, if Leonardo da Vinci could be transported into the present day with a time machine, he would appear to be less educated than even a mere college grad with a B.A., and whatever he says would only be foolish compared to someone with master’s or Ph D.

I don’t need a Ph D to know that the definition of Ph D is not “I am always correct, because I say so.”

“At the time of writing, the normal person who has no axe to grind in maintaining the contrary, declares the sun to be shining brightly, but should it answer the purpose of anyone to deny this obvious fact, and declare that the day is gloomy and overcast, there is no power of argument by which I can prove that I am right and he is wrong. I may point to the sun, but if he chooses to affirm that he doesn’t see it I can’t prove that he does. This is, of course, an extreme case, scarcely likely to occur in actual life. But it is in essence similar to those cases of persons (and they are not seldom met with) who, when they find facts hopelessly destructive of a certain theoretical position adopted by them, do not hesitate to cut the knot of controversy in their own favour by boldly denying the inconvenient facts.” — Belfort Bax

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Ted March 18, 2012 at 13:46

@American March 18, 2012 at 06:16

“folks that have limited creative capacity ( their brains are stagnant, or “stunted” if you will), get defensive when they see others with creative capacities to forge new ideas, and new spellings.”

True. We should boldly stride forward into unexplored territories. No doubt many strange new spellings wait to be found.

By the way, what’s a “knat”?

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keyster March 18, 2012 at 14:41

“I actually read Marx in the original when I was an undergrad and have spent a decade so far, in school, studying this movement. I can criticize communism and Marx much more effectively than Keyster can, as a result.”

Thank you for wasting the best years of your life getting degrees in Communist history, so I didn’t have to. And by the way it’s not a “movement”, it’s a theoretical philosophy. To say its a movement is acknowledging it exists at all. No decent Critical Theorist would ever be so foolish in mixed company.

“…but they never sum to a coherent historical totality…”

I’d post my trilogy of works from the rise and fall of the Bolsheviks to
Hollywood’s cultural propagandism, but Welmer has a 10,000 word limit. I’ll leave it to the cloistered Academic Elites among us to properly summarize what the REAL truth is.

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Boxer March 18, 2012 at 15:09

Dear Keyster-kook:

Of course it’s a movement, in the historical sense, you dullard. LOL! Still waiting for your s00per-k00l analysis of the Frankfurt School, by the way.

Regards, Boxer

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Anonymous March 18, 2012 at 17:17

The thing that pisses me off so much about academics is that they insist that their degrees makes them above reproach.

However, that is not the case. In fact, it ought to make them more able than anyone else to take on a challenge. I mean, fellas like Boxer are bragging that he has a 5th Degree Black Belt in Intellect, but yet, he doesn’t use it to display his viewpoints, which he ought to easily be able to do after fourteen years of education (and still doesn’t have his Ph D in a humanities subject).

I have an older sibling, who like Boxer, has spent almost 15 years “achieving” a Ph D in Psychology (full-time, too!). She too, simply dismisses people without even examining their arguments or abilities. After all, she has a Black Belt in Intellect.

At least real Black Belts in Martial Arts have to demonstrate their skills when someone attacks them. They don’t just tell muggers on the street, “leave me alone, I have a black belt!” and watch the muggers run away.

In the world of intellectual Martial Arts, all you have to do is go, “pfft! I have an education that took me 14 or 15 years (nearly double the amount of time normally alotted for such things), and although I could have been a freakin’ surgeon in this amount of time, I’m not, but I’m still so fucking smart that I don’t even have to acknowledge your arguments.”

I mean, let me get this straight, Boxer.

I have provided you with a factual leads which you can either disprove or acknowledge are truth, such as, Lenin set up state-run daycares, sewing centers, and community kitchens to allieviate women from their biological duties as mothers. There has been provided a factual lead for you that Lenin instituted No-Fault-Divorce, abortion and a family law system similar to what we are experiencing today. There has been provided a factual lead that Stalin reversed these policies in the early 1940′s, thereby explaining how things changed in the Soviet Union from its inception to its collapse.

You call my articles out as being Mookedie Mook stuff, yet anyone who has been around the MRM for more than a scant few months knows that Carey Roberts is not a wild conspiracy theorist. But even if that is what you believe, you have also been provided with direct quotes from Marx and Engels which back up my claim. Further, I linked and then quoted 3/4 of a speach directly from Lenin’s mouth which illustrate quite clearly his pro-feminist policies.

And you simply dismiss it as kook-theories, apparently hardly worth your highness’s examination. Really, Lenin’s own words are not sufficient to judge his own views? Indeed, perhaps a psychologist with a Ph D ought to be consulted as to what he REALLY meant. Lol! When a person’s own words are unnacceptable without being first Peer-Reviewed, you can tell what a fucked up place academia is.

If you had such a black-belt in intellect, as you claim, you ought to be able to refute these assertations clearly, leaving no doubt to the facts.

And yet, you don’t, because you can’t.

Small wonder why slackademia is becoming such a joke.

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namae nanka March 18, 2012 at 18:09

Quotes from an article discussing about matriarchy in USSR, which curiously states feminism as being equality between the sexes:

In the process of divorce women obtain children in 90% of cases. Former husband practically never is able to obtain children, his will is ignored in courts. This situation discovers existence of benefit in the right for children in matriarchal society.

Did it exist in USSR? Yes!

Women constitute more than 50% of employees, most of them are employed at light and well-paid office work. Men are employed at heavy industry, transport etc.

Did it exist in USSR? Yes

Nobody spoke about rights of men, about their problems, but rights of women and their problems were always a matter of great concern. “Men rights” were forbidden words. They stay so now.

http://www.mgtowforums.com/forums/mens-general-discussion/2675-matriarchy-ussr.html

Another documentary from Switzerland where women weren’t allowed to vote till 1971, in russian, and the host makes the point that their changes appear more sudden unlike those in russia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOkCR4KS9PU

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Boxer March 18, 2012 at 19:09

Dear Anon/Keyster:

All the things you claim Lenin did, many capitalist countries also did. Does this mean that “feminism is the purest form of capitalism”?

I haven’t boasted about anything. My background is only an issue to yourself (Keyster) and related anti-intellectual idiots like Charles Martel and Firepower, who feel threatened by real-world achievement. None of it has anything to do with the issue at hand, either, namely the looney assertion that “communism is feminism” (LOL!). No one with more than two brain cells to rub together would take such a blanket statement seriously, except perhaps as humor.

Regards, Boxer

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Anonymous March 18, 2012 at 19:13

I am not Keyster nor Charles Martel.

And you still haven’t refuted my arguments. which you have, by your own admission, a Black Belt in Intellect about.

If it is so easy to refute me, Sensei…

DO IT!

I believe the challenge is:

Put Up, or Shut Up!

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Aservant March 18, 2012 at 19:26

@ Boxer…….

Damn, you got schooled on this thread Boxer…..once again that is……

But as Keyster said, as an “indocrinated academic idealogue” you won’t even realize it. You’ll just keep spouting, parrot-like, the communist, Canadian, progressive, socially engineered party line of “I’m right because I say so.” This is proven by your following statement, “I actually read Marx in the original when I was an undergrad and have spent a decade so far, in school, studying this movement. I can criticize communism and Marx much more effectively than Keyster can, as a result.”

What a pleasant world you must live in Mr. Boxer…..professional fucking student, riding on the tax payer’s backs…….but all is not lost…..as it was already said as well, you spent the best years of your life bullshitting about and reading Marxist crap, so now, of course, you can analyise and understand “so much deeper than anybody else”………

And of course, as you have already contributed on many threads, there are the constant sluts you bang, the trips to Europe (you did say you were going this summer, right?), and the high-brow conversations with your queer friends around the water fountain at the gym……while the rest of us work for a living and learn how things work in reality…….But I will give you this….you are one smart motherfucker, cause judging your age by your level of maturity, as I just outlined by your adolscent pursuits here, all self-admitted by you in various threads, you can’t be over 17……you sure fit in a lot of studies at such a young age!! That is impressive I must admit…..

I’m one of those kooks that believes in the guy that never lived (thanks for clearing that up for me earlier in the thread, I think Dalrock is going to really appreciate it as well), and as such, lucky for you, we were taught by “he that never lived” to love our enemies and do good unto those that scorn us………so I must do so with you as well and make you a sweet offer…….when you grow-up and wish to enter manhood, let me know, and I will give a competent trade’s training for free at a very high level so you can actually be useful to society and contribute like the rest of us kooks…..(Anonymous 69 come to mind, Art V, Charles Martel, Keyster, just to name a few……). There will be one draw back though…..you will have to work….sorry…….well, it won’t be nearly as hard as analyzing Marx of course………

Oh, I’ve seen you a few times over at AVfM…….I just read a thread over there today…..Paul must be a kook too………for he said, “I love Keyster, he get’s it”……..You should check that kook’s site out to read it for yourself……..it’s fuckin crazy man……….there’s kooks everywhere!!!!!

If you can tear yourself away from the sluts, queers, pleasure trips and Marxist self-indoctrination for just a moment, let me know on the offer……

Regards,
Aservant

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Boxer March 18, 2012 at 19:31

Damn, you got schooled on this thread Boxer…..once again that is……

Another seemingly endless kook-rant, with nothing in the way of substance. It was humorous though, thanks again for spewing.

Regards, Boxer

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Anonymous March 18, 2012 at 19:36

Put up or shut up.

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Anonymous March 18, 2012 at 19:53

“All the things you claim Lenin did, many capitalist countries also did. Does this mean that “feminism is the purest form of capitalism”?

Why the HELL should I defend against this strawman?

Did I ever claim as such?

NO!

Put up or shut up,

You should have so many arguments against this, if you are who you claim, that you could blow this out of the water in a heartbeat, from memory, rather than even having to look it up. What else does Ph D studies and FOURTEEN years of education on “this movement” mean?

Liar.

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Anonymous March 18, 2012 at 20:03

“All the things you claim Lenin did, many capitalist countries also did. Does this mean that “feminism is the purest form of capitalism”? – Boxer

Please, oh please, list for us the countries around the world that have instituted state run daycares, sewing centers, and community kitchens so that women could 100% participate in the workforce.

MANY countries?

Name five that aren’t communist.

Liar, liar, pants on fire!

Maybe you should start by simply scanning your highschool diploma

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Boxer March 18, 2012 at 20:21

You should have so many arguments against this, if you are who you claim, that you could blow this out of the water in a heartbeat, from memory, rather than even having to look it up. What else does Ph D studies and FOURTEEN years of education on “this movement” mean?

Wow, what a funny explosion of angst. LOLOLOL!

Sucks to have nothing to back your looney “feminism is communism” statement up, doesn’t it?

Aservant slurping your ass (and Paul Elam’s ass) didn’t help you, and you didn’t cite any peer reviewed sources. There’s not even the promised expert analysis of the Frankfurt School.

Keep dancing, little spankard,

Boxer

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Aservant March 18, 2012 at 20:21

@ Boxer….

You’re welcome……

Anything for a fellow Canadian Mr. Boxer, the material you supply will never leave me dry ……

Yes, that was a kook-rant no doubt soley for entertainment……mine in particular………”the one who never lived” also teaches to be merciful, so considering you have had yours torn so wide today that you won’t defecate for weeks, I wasn’t going to do the same, the gentlemen here worked you over good enough……

Fabulous rebuttals BTW to the countless factual points they used to crush you……looks like all that time in the Canadian indoctrination center wasn’t a waste of time after all…….

Enjoy the queers at the gym, the sluts at school, and whatever it is you will be doing in Europe this summer…….. If you need anything, me and the guys will be ensuring that society doesn’t collapse by working for a living…….

Regards,
Aservant

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Boxer March 18, 2012 at 20:26

the one who never lived” also teaches to be merciful, so considering you have had yours torn so wide today that you won’t defecate for weeks

So, you can’t show a causal link from 2nd wave feminism to communism, and you’ve succeeded in sexualizing the conversation, focusing on my genitals, some gay dudes you met at the gym, and other such stuff.

If you need anything, me and the guys will be ensuring that society doesn’t collapse by working for a living…….

Keep punching the time clock, and I’ll keep having a good time.

Regards,
Aservant

Regards, Boxer

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Anonymous March 18, 2012 at 20:27

What a brilliant rebuttal with fact and logic.

I am in awe at what 14 years of education can produce.

Yawn.

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Boxer March 18, 2012 at 20:44

Dear “Anonymous” (LOL!)

I am in awe at what 14 years of education can produce.

Umm, 14 years of education produces a high school graduate. Incidentally, I thought you were gonna write me a super cool deconstruction of the Frankfurt School. I’m still waiting. Maybe you can have your brilliant fellows Aservant, Paul Elam and Firepower help you out with that tonight, and come up with something entertaining in the morning no?

Hell, I might even allow Keyster to suck my cock if it has a funny enough conspiracy theory.

Regards, Boxer

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Aservant March 18, 2012 at 20:58

Boxer, I know they don’t teach this in Marxist studies, but in the real world of adults, in our part of the world, where one doesn’t just have fun but works and contributes something to society, you can become a professional with a capacity and then you no longer punch a clock by the hour…..you will be management and teach and supervise others, and you earn something called a salary……or you get into private enterprise as an owner operator and generate your own income from the market through production…….

You’re welcome…….

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Anonymous March 18, 2012 at 21:00

Really, have I mentioned the Frankfurt School in this thread?

Show me where. So far, I believe I have only mentioned the names Marx, Engles, and Lenin. (Maybe Stalin, but I don’t think so).

I do know about the Frankfurt School, but you are again lying and deflecting from the main issues, because I don’t think I’ve been arguing that viewpoint at all.

In fact, I have been arguing that feminism IS Marxism solely from the viewpoint of probably the three MOST influential people in regard to Marsixm that have ever existed. I mean, who is more instrumental to the ideology of Marxism than the two jokers who thought it up, and the first idiot to implement it?

You still won’t refute my arguments.

It therefore is logical to conclude that you are a liar.

Good day, sir.

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Boxer March 18, 2012 at 21:25

Dear Keyster/Anonymous/Aservant:”

You still won’t refute my arguments.

You have yet to make an argument. True, you’ve screamed and squealed and held your breath. You’ve stamped your feet. You’ve used feminist shaming language, implied that I’m a homosexual, etc. You’ve posted link after lunatic fringe link to non-peer reviewed kook rants elsewhere, which don’t back up the original point you made: that “feminism is the purest form of communism”. No one with half a brain would take that seriously, but it is your prerogative to back it up.

You can’t back it up, because it’s a nonsensical conspiracy theory, authored by people (like yourselves) that don’t know anything about either feminism or communism, or politics in general, or anything really. Even so, I’ve had hours upon hours of priceless entertainment at your expense, and I’m looking forward to keeping this nonsense going. So, by all means, keep kooking out.

Regards, Boxer

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Anonymous March 18, 2012 at 21:35

implied that I’m a homosexual, — Boxer

Liar liar, pants on fire.

You’ve posted link after lunatic fringe link to non-peer reviewed kook rants elsewhere, — Boxer

Lenin’s own words are kook rants about Lenin’s own ideas? Just because a university didn’t peer review them, and approve of what we are “supposed” to think about what plain words mean?

which don’t back up the original point you made: that “feminism is the purest form of communism”. — Boxer

Is that my original point? Prove it! I’ve never said that. However, I don’t entirely disagree with it either. Ever looked at a herd of cows, city slicker? They are all females and they all kinda live communally and think the same. They all get banged by one alpha male bull too! Gee, who woulda thunk it? Humans, being mammals, having the same notions as other mammals!

Again Boxer, with your VAST intellect, you seem to purposefully evade the subject – the very subject you have spent FOURTEEN YEARS becoming the world’s foremost expert on.

Put ‘em up, Pugilist!

This should be such a snap for you, I can’t believe you are wimping out. My God! Over 14 years, you must have spent over $200,000 for just this moment.

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Boxer March 18, 2012 at 21:47

Again Boxer, with your VAST intellect

It actually doesn’t take a vast (or VAST) intellect to understand that the person who makes the assertion is responsible to back it up. For example, when you contend that “feminism is the purest form of communism”, it’s your responsibility to provide evidence for that contention.

This is pretty simple stuff. I learned this in primary school as a little kid. It’s not my job to disprove a loony, idiotic statement that some anonymous halfwit makes on the internet, it’s his job to prove it, since he said it. It’s that simple.

So, again, we’ve got Steinem admitting that she worked for the U.S. Government, and we’ve got tons of her friends whining and crying for 4 decades that feminism doesn’t have a foothold in the USSR, that the soviets are persecuting them and locking them up, and we’ve got a few halfwits on a web page saying that “feminism is the purest form of communism”. We are supposed to take the anon kook’s word for this, rather than historical facts, right kooky?

Sorry, you don’t have many takers on this thread. It is hilarious to see you wind yourselves up into ever higher degrees of spitting kookdom though. Keep going!

Regards, Boxer

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Anonymous March 18, 2012 at 22:07

“feminism is the purest form of communism”,

Three times in a row you have asserted this as my claim, and three times in a row I have told you to prove it, because I’ve never claimed it… but by your own words, pugilist, in your very last post, the onus is on you to back it up.

It is pretty easy to think you are winning when in each comment you change the goalposts or just completely make shit up that never even occured, eh?

I’ve never mentioned Steinem. Even though I know about her, but I’ve never brought her up in argument, so why should I defend against this nonsense? I have just asserted in my last post that I am talking about Marx, Engels, and Lenin.

Why should I defend against a comment about Steinem that I never even made?

You are a liar in almost every post now.

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Boxer March 18, 2012 at 23:28

Dear Anon:

Then we agree, feminism and communism have different roots, and are unrelated. What is it that you are postulating here, exactly? I ask because at this point I’m pretty sure you don’t even know.

Not that it matters. One “Anonymous” can claim he didn’t make the statements the second, third, or twelfth “Anonymous” made.

I have just asserted in my last post that I am talking about Marx, Engels, and Lenin.

Yes, you feel that somehow Marx, Engels and Lenin founded the second wave of feminism, despite the fact that it all happened on a different continent, on the other side of the world, after Marx, Engels and Lenin were all dead.

You may now continue to dance, looney tunes.

Regards, Boxer

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Aservant March 18, 2012 at 23:39

This Boxer can’t even read……..I never even made an argument in the debate, I just rubbed his face in the arugments that countless people had already made with links and quotes to prove their points….and here he is telling me to site a reference to make my point…anyone can review the posts to see if I made an argument……It has been him in several threads in the past talking about his gay friends at the gym that are great guys and on the side of MRAs….I mention it here and he says that I mentioned something about queers that I go to the gym with….this guy is delusional………..seriously……

Anonymous and others made countless points and then I believe he made up the matter of deconstructing the Frankfurt school because Keyster mentioned it…..then he goes on to say that he was promised a deconstruction of the Frankfurt school…….nobody promised him shit……I’m not exactly sure if that is the exact way it went cause I really don’t even give a fuck anymore, I’m not reviewing the posts to see, cause frankly, seriously, it is confirmed and completely obvious that this Boxer is literally fucking insane. He can’t even follow who said what but is an expert on the most detailed political theories ….according to him….

Completely soberly, this is a perfect example of how state brainwashing can completely turn a human into less than an animal…….pre-ocuppied with whores, materialism, and defending PC agendas like homofascism and Marxism way worse than a religious zealot……just babbling…..with no ability to even work….just hides in school his whole life…… as he said….I’ll be working and he’ll be having fun……like a child……and then lecture everyone else on their moral inferiority.

No exaggeration at all, dead serious here…….he is the exact reason I left Canada for the last time and for good almost 10 years ago and swore never to return….the country has turned into an asylum for the cronically perverted, sick and demented and it is celebrated and normalized…… it is a sick fuckin place. I know that there are still some cool Canadians trapped up there…..I read some of your posts here, you know who you are and what I am talking about…..but for fucks sake, get the fuck out……..if you need a hand, let me know……you don’t need a visa to get into the states…..if millions of mexicans can stay here illegally so can you………

You guys want to know how it is useless women are able to run over men’s society and ruin it so easily……….today it is comprised of millions of Boxers, that’s how……..

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American March 19, 2012 at 00:49

Man you spell checkers are like my buddies dog, every time i go over there he tries to hump my leg.

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American March 19, 2012 at 00:56

Art..Theres serious business to discuss here, and these leg humping spell checkers are distracting me.
Here in the US, the Gender, Gender-Raunch community has “Empowered” themselves by creating a perversion and “Manufactured statistics Alliance” with American law enforcement. Do you feel this same “Perverted Alliance” is a possibility in Russia??

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American March 19, 2012 at 01:02

You leg humping spell checkers are gonna have to sit quietly and wait yer turn, as the men have important business to discuss here.

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Boxer March 19, 2012 at 09:02

Do you feel this same “Perverted Alliance” is a possibility in Russia??

Let’s hope not, yo. It’d mean all those hot, slim, Russian chicks would stay home and exploit the homegrown men, rather than venturing abroad. They make up a very large minority of the females that are any more worth looking at in America.

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Anonymous age 69 March 19, 2012 at 10:33

>>I didn’t mean that people shouldn’t study the past or the classics and assumed that an educated person has done so.I meant that we should not be ruled by the past and not just assume that people in the past were somehow more intelligent.

I do mean we should be looking at the past, as recorded in the classics to help us deal with the present. Historically affluent parents did not consider their children educated until they had lived in another culture for a couple of years.

This is in part because you cannot understand your own society until you began to understand another society and why they have different views. I learned more about the U.S. living in Mexico than living most of my life in the US.

Also, one learns that the basic human types of personalities exist in all cultures at all times. Government officials in all societies at all times will happily use the government forces to kill anyone who does not obey their rules, which is why the educated founders of the US implemented the Second Amendment to allow the people to defend themselves from the government.

In the days of Socrates and Plato, they had the liberal and they had the conservative. The liberals, as today, believed there is no truth, only subjective feelings. The conservatives believe there is truth if you are intelligent enough to find it.

Further, a society actually needs a balanced truce between the two types. Either alone will began to kill dissidents, though the left is much more efficient.

All societies have faithless men and faithless women. The difference is what happens to them.

The quickest way to destroy a society is to convince the members that history can teach us nothing, which allows the destroyers to do pretty much what they want while no one has a clue what is about to happen when they do.

People educated about history do not need to see what will happen with socialized medicine, and no-fault divorce. They will know ahead of time.

It is not that people in the past were more intelligent. It is they knew from studying history what works and what did not work. We are making the same exact mistakes that have been made in the past, with the same results.

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keyster March 19, 2012 at 11:15

A “deconstruction of the the Frankfurt School”, their philosphies and Cultural Marxist propaganda techniques, such as the use of Critical Theory, (along with Saul Alinsky’s refinement of the methodologies) would reveal Boxer to be a strident student and follower of the movement. It’s in his reactions to criticism of anything Marxist.

He’s an idealogue that suffers from a severe case of cognative dissonance if he believes Communists were anti-feminist, feminism 2.0 originated in the US around 1950 and the Marxist pricks at the Frankfurt School had nothing to do with it, “Republicans are the party of feminists”, etc.

All I had to do was simply Google “Marxism and Feminism” and there’s enough “deconstruction” to keep Boxer busy trying to reconstruct for days. One of his favorite Frankfurters:

http://platypus1917.home.comcast.net/~platypus1917/marcuse_marxismfeminism.pdf

“You’ll just keep spouting, parrot-like, the communist, Canadian, progressive, socially engineered party line of “I’m right because I say so.” ” Spot on! Hopelessly trying to indocrinate the “brothers” in the Manosphere. Anyone who calls him out is derided, ridiculed and labled a “kook” or “kooky”.

In essence Boxer has a real hard-on for Communism and it’s leaders; from Marx to Lenin to Stalin to Khruschev to Che Guevera. It’s bizarre, but then what passes for academia today is bizarre.

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Boxer March 19, 2012 at 11:20

Keyster, the builder of straw men, yaps…

He’s an idealogue that suffers from a severe case of cognative dissonance if he believes Communists were anti-feminist

Some communists were anti-feminist. This guy was profiled by Bill Price some time ago.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/bax/index.htm

Aside from the fact that you take pride in being a pedophile, you’re a rather bad liar, Keyster, and an utterly unmasculine specimen who slinks around making personal attacks rather than debating the issues you pretend to bring up.

Of course I knew you were clueless about the Frankfurters, but you do seem to be growing more reticent to show your abject ignorance here, which is a good thing for you, and a sorry trend for those of us who enjoy laughing at your psychotic rants about the communists who you feel are behind everything.

Regards, Boxer

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Ted March 19, 2012 at 13:36

@American March 19, 2012 at 00:49

“my buddies dog, every time i go over there he tries to hump my leg.”

This Canine-Raunch may explain some of yer terminology. What is the “Gender” of the “dog”?

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American March 19, 2012 at 13:57

“Canine -Raunch” very interesting Ted. He is an only dog, maybe he gets so lonelly he’s lookin for love in all the wrong places.

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keyster March 19, 2012 at 16:26

“Aside from the fact that you take pride in being a pedophile, you’re a rather bad liar, Keyster, and an utterly unmasculine specimen who slinks around making personal attacks rather than debating the issues you pretend to bring up.”

Even your cognative dissonance has cognative dissonance.

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Boxer March 19, 2012 at 16:31

Dear Keyster:

I guess your promised critique of the Frankfurters has gone the way of the promise, a few weeks ago, of a donation to the-spearhead, eh?

Even your cognative dissonance has cognative dissonance.

I don’t think so, pedo-boy.

http://8oxer.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/not-surprising-2/

The very definition of confident manhood: Keyster on the junior high school playground at 25 years old, looking for a girlfriend. LOLOLOLOL!

Regards, Boxer

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Avenger March 19, 2012 at 17:44

I guess by the-spearhead’s definition all Christians are feminists too, or at least the early Christian apostles were, according to Rabbi Saul of Tarsus, who wrote the book, since they were practicing communism too. Karl Marx cited both those examples when he was theorizing his political movement, mind you (read vol 1 of Capital).

That’s right, and that jew Saul was just trying to get his hands on other people’s money. Jesus was the same so stop believing that BS in the NT. Jesus wasn’t poor anymore than Lincoln with that ‘born in a log cabin” BS was poor. Even in the Talmud the rabbis describe Mary as from a noble family. They just view her as a whore and Jesus as a madman.Acturally Jesus just wanted to take over from them and make himself King of the Jews and even the Romans called him that. Jesus had wealthy patrons too so he also lived in mansions, wore the best clothes and drank the best wine.(and btw, didn’t the Roman soldiers want his robe which means it was not some Walmart type garment lol) He had a number of mistresses and was well educated in Alexandria and other places and was well traveled. Remember that uncle of his who gave a tomb for his burial? (he wasn’t just wrapped up and put in the ground like a common Jew) This man was a commodity broker and travelled in his business and took Jesus along as a boy (that’s where Jesus was as a youth not sawing wood in some carpenter’s shop) Jesus was in Britain as a boy on one of his uncle’s tin buying trips to Cornwall (90% of tin in the Roman Empire came from here) and the oral traditions from this area always describe Jesus as a boy. Apparently there was something special about him for people to remember rather than just another kid.
Marx was the same he just used different bullshit to get the money from the dumb goyim. Marx lived a very bourgeois life in London and had 2 mistresses and was buried in Highgate cemetery which was a new cemetery at that time favoured by the upper middle classes. Marx didn’t live like a prole. He drank Ch. Margaux not beer and gin like the proles. (btw, Margaux comes on the market these days at $800 a bottle when a few yers old)
Communism is just a scheme so that a handful of Oligarchs can live like kings as they did in the USSR.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need .

Just more bs and doubletalk because under communism the “people” had a hard time even getting toilet paper lol

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Boxer March 19, 2012 at 18:35

Dear Avenger:

I don’t know whether you’re serious, but this has been one of the funniest rants I’ve read here in a long time.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

That was replaced in the so-called workers state by “We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us.” LOL!

Regards, Boxer

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Howie G March 19, 2012 at 23:20

Appropriate punishment should include the feminists publicly apologizing and stating that “we admit we, as women, can be and are frequently as violent as the men we usually put blame on for all violence.” And then they should be forced to do community service such as cleaning men’s urinals and attending anger management classes. And donating all the profits from their next album to the church and men’s rights organizations.

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Reality March 20, 2012 at 08:40

Alright, doing what they are doing in RUSSIA… IS in fact extremely courageous even if they are hiding their faces. If they were to do what they do here in the U.S. they would have a tough time even getting noticed amongst all the ‘Occupy’ freaks in the news.

But in Russia, the powers that be there will just suicide you if speak out against the government and blow up your whole family & then blame it on someone else and of course there is no investigation. So they’re brave & yes, the whole ranting about “down with Putin and an extremely oppressive & corrupt government” is a no-brainer.

But to throw FEMINISM in there with that? As we all know Feminism is nothing more than a U-turn right back into Communism & then next step totalitarianism as we are all now seeing here in the U.S.!! The Feminists now ARE in control (along with the civil rights freaks) and we see they are THE most intolerant tyrants of ALL.

So sad they are risking their very lives while promoting a proven failure of an idea. All I can figure out is that from looking at the U.S. from the outside, these women can’t see all of this. From their perspective (I’m guessing here) they prob saw everything was going great in the U.S. thanks to Feminism and approaching Utopia for everyone and then all the sudden evil MEN just popped up out of nowhere Obama/Holder/Biden and just ruined it all – with zero connection to Feminism at all. They can’t see the stripping away of one half of the population’s most basic human rights, leads to, well, the stripping away of EVERYONE’S most basic rights.

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American March 20, 2012 at 09:32

A small number of savy burocrats have “Bloated” themselves, and their friends, on massive amounts of American federal Pork, and they have their senators just put it on the tab with China.

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Masculist Man March 20, 2012 at 22:24

The soldier that shot a bunch of Afghan civillians seems to have gone nuts after trouble with the wife at home.

But the lawyer sais that that’s all nonsense, and blames it all on stress from the war. Just preparing his case, of course.

Let’s not minimize what these men have been going through serving in a war zone and experiencing the horrors of war.

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Ano Nymous March 21, 2012 at 20:27

“Differences [between men and women], including the products of social inequality, MAKE UNEQUAL TREATMENT NOT UNEQUAL AT ALL.” — Catharine MacKinnon, “Reflections on Sex Equality Under Law,” Yale Law Journal, 1991

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Ano Nymous March 21, 2012 at 20:43

Saying that “Russia” is Communist, and therefore contains all Communist dogma is simply assanine.

One might as well say that Great Britan is Christian, and therefore, anything Christian must coincide 100% with British Policy.

It is quite evident that Boxer is a clown on this subject and is trying to impress people with a degree he obviously doesn’t even have. (And if he doesn’t have it after FOURTEEN YEARS, then you shouldn’t consider him an observable expert – he’s obviously lying, or he would simply refute the facts presented to him with the ease of an entitled woman sitting poolside with a flyswatter).

Just like Christianity knows no borders, nor does Marxism. Just because Britain was Christian in the past, does not mean in any observable way, that Britain is generally practicing Christianity today.

Same goes for Marxism.

Sure it was first implemented in Russia… it was also first theorized about in Britain. Just because Russia moved away from it, is not evidence the free world moved away from it also.

Has the world become more, or less, socialist since the Berlin Wall came down over 2 decades ago?

Remember how the Marxist dialectic works. The dialectic is where Marxism resideds. Not in the gobbledey gook asshats like Boxer keep spewing. He’s quite obviously bullshitting people to get attention. Nobody could study for fourteen year about Marxism and dismiss as many subjects as this asshole has, willy nilly.

If he is who he says, this should be very simple to refute.

And if he refuses, because it is “beneath him” to answer to the less educated… well, then what the fuck is this disruptive turd doing here, wasting his time talking to dumb morons like us on a host of other subjects?

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Johan April 17, 2012 at 20:26

Hi Im Eastern Orthodox. I think these “women” should be forced into a nunnery and made to do religious obligations (to work the fields, to pray, to take care of orphans and help and feed the poor) for two years each. Believe me they will learn humility or they will lose their minds and judging from their behavior that could not be worse then they are now.

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