Fighting for Women’s Freedom

by Featured Guest on March 9, 2012

By Ethical

When US led western military forces needed to drum up ongoing support for the war in Afghanistan, one of the issues that really galvanized public sympathy was the deplorable status of women there.

Council on Foreign Relations

Following the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, Afghan women emerged as a high-profile focus of U.S. policy. Women’s progress was promoted as a powerful, positive product of the international presence in the war-scarred country.

Women, it was said, had very few rights and were treated virtually as property. To western sensibilities this imbalance of power was immoral, repugnant, and objectionable. Something had to be done.

Feminist.org

Upon seizing power, the Taliban regime instituted a system of gender apartheid effectively thrusting the women of Afghanistan into a state of virtual house arrest. Under Taliban rule women were stripped of all human rights – their work, visibility, opportunity for education, voice, healthcare, and mobility.

Afghanistan Online

The repression of women is still prevalent in rural areas where many families still restrict their own mothers, daughters, wives and sisters from participation in public life. They are still forced into marriages and denied a basic education. Numerous school for girls have been burned down and little girls have even been poisoned to death for daring to go to school.

By contrast in the west women enjoy far greater rights and privileges. Popular wisdom is that western society as a whole has benefitted as a result. In fact many western economist’s insist that the freedom enjoyed by women in the west enables their greater economic participation, which in turn may be largely responsible for the greater productivity and greater wealth of economies here.

Ricardo Hausman, Laura D. Tyson and Saadia Zahidi, The Global Gender Gap Report, 2007, World Economic Forum 2007

“Numerous studies indicate that sustainable development is dependent on improving the economic and political status of women and that reducing gender inequality enhances productivity and economic growth”

Being practical we judge ourselves by tangible things like our economic success; as western societies the strength of our economies is inevitably proof that our way of life is also in some real sense superior.

So it’s from a very lofty moral high ground that western men come to Muslim countries to fight for women to enjoy the same rights and privileges there as they do in the west; the freedom to walk the streets without the veil, the freedom to work outside the home, the freedom to independently determine their own course in life. We know these rights lead to more just and prosperous societies.

Not to say servicemen ever have a reason not to be proud. They are not politicians. Whatever their country’s mission, in this case taking on the responsibility of enforcing women’s rights in other parts of the world, there is honor in having served their country. And they can be proud of their country too. Whatever evils western forces are unjustly accused of perpetrating in foreign lands, young men in the military can at least rest in the proud and unassailable truth that we practice what we preach. Women in the west have not been denied those rights.

Not that taking the moral high ground has been easy. Especially when the wife has been unfaithful at home, men can have a difficult time putting their tour of duty sacrifices in perspective. And that’s before they return to find their spouses gone along their children and all they ever owned.

Richard Crouch, Attorney at Law, Crouch & Crouch

It has been suggested that when our mobilized and deployed National Guard and Reserves return from doing their duty Over There and have saved us and our civilization from destruction, many of them will return, not to ticker-tape parades, but to handcuffs and a jail cell. Now why would this be? Because, of course, they owe child support.

…  some of Our Boys are in totally inaccessible places thousands of miles away. If they didn’t do something about this problem before they left, it’s kind of all over by this time. And just how many do you think managed to “do something,” when under orders, with 100 other things on their minds and hardly any time to do anything? So what will happen when Our Boy is obligated to pay monthly child support and/or alimony determined according to his nice civilian salary, and he is now in some godforsaken hole in some freezing Antipodean desert, getting dogface pay? Obviously, there is one hell of an arrearage building up to greet him upon the hero’s return.

 
Unfortunately more men will face the handcuffs instead of the ticker tape parade; the military divorce rate is rising:
 

David R. Usher, NewsWithViews.com

Divorce rates in America are still over 50%. For the military it is even higher — albeit nobody knows exactly what the real number is since the Pentagon doesn’t report home-front casualty rates.

 
For any military man, returning to face jail after your spouse ran off leaving you with a support debt you don’t earn enough to pay is a bitter pill to swallow. Fact is it doesn’t sound fair to anyone. But instead of hearing about change for the better, we hear even worse:
 

Antimisandry.com

Taron James of Torrance, Calif., a decorated Navy veteran, carried out hazardous reconnaissance missions behind Iraqi lines in the aftermath of the first Persian Gulf War. While overseas, James was notified that a woman he knew back home was demanding that he pay child support for her newborn son. Los Angeles County entered a default paternity judgment against James, in part because James’ military commitments made it difficult for him to defend himself.

Despite DNA evidence that James was not the father, the county garnisheed James’ wages for a decade and employed numerous punitive measures against him, costing him a management position and forcing him to drop out of college. James eventually got the judgment set aside, but last week a California Court of Appeal refused to order that James be reimbursed for the wages the county garnisheed.

Thankfully our brave servicemen who face potential beheadings at the hands of the Taliban probably don’t bother with these worries they don’t know to be definite likelihoods. They’re brash and confident, everything young men need to be to face death without flinching. Being young men with loving wives, they likely wouldn’t concern themselves about what hasn’t happened yet, and assume that if any of the horror stories they hear about does actually befall them, they’ll just state their case really clearly (those other guys must have mumbled) and the powers that be will straighten things out. Few of them would likely pay attention to the increasing feminization of divorce laws that free woman of any duty to be a good wife and mother, while stripping fathers of their parental role and putting an ever increasing burden of financial responsibility on men. Many won’t truly learn how precarious the legal position of fathers truly is, and how onerous the financial burden on divorced men, until they return home. That’s when despite best efforts, they may find themselves stuck in an ever deepening injustice they just can’t set straight. Even if they weren’t mumbling.

It’s a terrible irony that sees them crushed under the very same feminist system they were fighting to put in place in a foreign country half way across the world. But it’s this very same irony that may come with the blessing of opening all our eyes to consider a different perspective.

Violence Against Men

Environments where there is more violence against women are also environments where there is more violence against men. In dangerous or lawless states, the only rights that exist are those that can be enforced, purchased, or traded through influence.

Rights then are actually a luxury, and there is nowhere on earth where they are inalienable. The only real rights anyone has are those that the society can reasonably enforce at any given time. In remote places where the only enforcement of law to protect women are her father, brother, or eventually her husband, any decision to enforce the law is not to be taken lightly. Enforcing a woman’s right to be free from sexual violence for example may protect the woman from the humiliation of rape, but can potentially involve an even greater threat to the safety of a woman’s own family who are tasked with defending her honor. In a place where there are no police limiting conflict, any conflict can escalate uncontrollably. Any decision to defend her honor can mean those men laying down their very lives.

Conflict is then to be avoided even if it restricts the rights of the potential victim. Feminists call this “blaming the victim”.

Feminist.com

Friends or family may blame the victim in order to feel safe themselves: “She got raped because she walked alone after midnight. I’d never do that, so rape won’t happen to me.”

I say it’s asking the victim to share in the responsibility. If a village in some war torn region of the world is going to have to send its men to fight another village and possibly die because someone in that other village raped one of its women, there are probably going to be a few of the woman’s male family members who would rather she just stay indoors, wear a veil, and make the men some sandwiches. Watching the game on TV with your dad and brothers over some afghan tea while munching sandwiches is a lot less stressful if your sister (who’s stacked and looks like a supermodel) hasn’t been prancing around in her miniskirt near another village you don’t want to end up being in a blood feud with, or if you’re in Somalia … near where the local warlords are dividing their profits from piracy.

In short some environments are just more dangerous than others. Many places are made so by the presence of commodities that generate a great imbalance of wealth and power such as oil, precious gems, or in the case of Afghanistan drugs. This imbalance combined with weak or corrupt government mean that rights are in short supply for BOTH genders. Perhaps in light of this it’s time to give different cultures a little latitude to come up with their own solutions as to what they’re willing to compromise in terms of the rights of some in order to assure greater degree of freedom from violence for all. Perhaps before passing judgment on others it’s time to re-examine the anti-male laws we are currently reaping and the underlying feminism they came from, and re-evaluate whether we really want to sell what we’ve sown.

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Zorro March 9, 2012 at 05:47

Superb!

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Anonymous age 69 March 9, 2012 at 05:49

>>Women, it was said, had very few rights and were treated virtually as property.

And, men in the US are NOT treated, not virtually, but literally, as property? Let us not be stupid here.

When a man is ordered to work until he dies for another person, with no benefits at all, he is literally her property.

So, it looks like women force the issue, and we must either treat them as property, or they start slutting out and treat men very badly? Perhaps women should give us another choice? Just saying. But, history seems to show that is the choice, them and destruction, or us, and peace and order.

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Alcuin March 9, 2012 at 06:16

The irony in the West is that, as women’s rights, grievances and entitlements all go through the roof, Islamic Sharia law looks more and more just.

Rather than bringing the West’s “freedom” and “w0men’s rights” to Islam, disillusioned returning servicemen might be bringing Islam’s view of things to the West.

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AntiFeminist March 9, 2012 at 06:43

International Agents of Misandry like US soldiers deserve all the bad fate that awaits them in foreign land and back in their homeland at the hands of women. Afghan men are the product of their culture, which is the product of a long history that, unlike many “USA patriots” would like to think, is not always linear and “clean”. They are just unlucky to have been born in a country who have been repeatedly invaded through history. As for Iraq: thanks to the US “noble boys” now Iraqi women (those left alive and that don’t give birth to freak children like in the radioactive city Falluja) can not even dream of the rights they have under secular dictator Saddam Hussein.

So blaming Afghan/Foreign men in the vain hope that US/Western trashy women will then look at Western men as “noble” is stupidity at best. Remember that milions of western men died in WW2, and when the war ended, women didnt look upon veterans with admiration: they instead started the ultra-man-hating 2nd Wave Feminism.

Im sure after this bogus “war on terror” will end, in the US there will be an even more man-hating feminist wave, which I’ll enjoy with very great pleasure from a distance, since I have no sorrow for stupid males who tries to look “good and noble” while trashing other men of foreign cultures of which they don’t understand anything.

A suckers…err.. soldiers sacrifice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQozTjEsc_Y

Refuse to serve in wars for misandry,
men must boycott the american/western military
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMQquZp2EEM

ps. the chance for an american soldier to be “beheaded by a Taliban” is very slim, since the Noble and Pure “American Warrior” (read: cuckold males) have the weapons to fight from a safe distance, to call air support and so on and on:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/commentary/commentary-taliban-a-hated-enemy-a-formidable-and-2188622.html

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 07:01

@ Alcuin
I am a returned U.S. Soldier who is out of the Army as well as being a veteran of the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War. Most returning veterans I knew wouldn’t want to live in Iraq nor Afghanistan because of how much of a mess both countries are. This even includes their laws and customs concerning women. Afghanistan is a much tougher place to live for both men and women. Consequently, Afghanistan laws and customs restricting women are much more severe than Iraq. If any Afghan moves to Iraq he will improve his standard of living by as much as any Iraqi moving to the USA. Most enlisted American and NATO male military personnell I knew returned not caring as much about how the Iraqi women and Afghan women as when they first went to those countries. Divorce is rampant in the military and much worse than the civilian world especially since these wars began. I was told divorce was 75% of all new marriages in the U.S. Army and 70% in the U.S. Marine Corps. 3 years ago. If you think civilian marriages, divorces, alimony, child support and anything else are hell in the civilian world, you would be correct, but it is by far more hellish on average in the military world especially for the Army with the Marine Corps. following a very close second.

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criolle johnny March 9, 2012 at 07:03

No. Men are NOT treated as property.
You have to maintain your property.
You have to pay taxes on your property.
If men were property, women would be responsible for them.

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J March 9, 2012 at 07:08

Fella, if I could give you twenty thumbs up I would. Exactly how I would put it! Maybe better, well done!

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 07:12

This is off topic. In Mala Fide has reported that the Southern Poverty Law Center has listed this site, The Spearhead, as well as Roosh’s site and In Mala Fide as well as others as mysogyny or hate sites on the internet. This article and more here on this web site report more truth than whatever lies the SPLC are up to. The often unpopular blogger here called Ryu, a White Nationalist, and others like him said this would happen. He was right, and plan on this getting worse.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 07:50

@ criolle johnny
Correction. The only thing you demonstrated is that men on average know how to take care of their human property(slaves) better under similar circumstances than women do. Since misandry and out of control feminism which certainly the ruling ideology in the USA, other Western nations and developed East Asia regards men as disposable, men are treated poorly in the USA , other Western nations and developed East Asia. Let me remind you that for as bad as devolped East Asia can be for men, it is considerably better on average than the USA. Other Western countries vary as to how bad they are in comparison to the USA. Germany sounds better but Sweden sounds worse than the USA on average for men for example. One of the reasons for this is that prostitution is legal in Germany, but not in Sweden or the USA. However, Sweden seems to be more vigorous about pursuing arrests for prostitution than the USA, and is more likely to only arrest and prosecute the johns not the whores wheras the USA arrests and prosecutes both which although I regard prostitution prohibition as wrong is at least fair in its enforcement unlike Sweden. Developed nation’s women on average are better at caring for animals such as pets than men and children( Developed East Asian nation’s women are better with their own men being mediocre or ok on average and much better even very good or excellent with their own children on average.) in certainly the USA and even other Western nations when it comes to expending their own money and labor.

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Ryu March 9, 2012 at 07:51

The goal of the MRM is not to defeat the feminists. It is to educate the white knights and the enablers.

We can blame the women for taking what is given. I believe the men lead and the women will follow. Who are these men who sign up to liberate women from the veil? That should be your target.

There’s no need to face down the feminists or fight in the streets. When the enablers are gone, feminism is over with. And only the male enablers matter.

I like the military in principle. Instead of the platitude “thank you for your service”, hold them accountable for results. They are serving international feminism. They are making themselves the enemy of men as are the police and legal systems.

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Charles Martel March 9, 2012 at 08:00

doclove
This is off topic. In Mala Fide has reported that the Southern Poverty Law Center has listed this site, The Spearhead, as well as Roosh’s site and In Mala Fide as well as others as mysogyny or hate sites on the internet.

We should thank the SPLC for putting up a nice little marketing piece for the manosphere. I’d imagine a good number of the men who read the SPLC’s item will find something to agree with.

Here’s what they say about The Spearhead:
The Spearhead is an online magazine that features a range of “voices in defense of ourselves, our families and our fellow men.” One post calls the recently released American version of the movie thriller “The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo” “hate porn for feminists” and describes its strong female lead as “like a kind of dyke junkie.” Another post includes this fairly typical summation: “I have said it before, and I will say it again; I don’t hate women. I just hate what they do to men.”

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 08:11

Iraq has a lot more technology, infrastructure to support the technology and educated people who know how to maintain both than Afghanistan does. Seventy percent of the Iraqis can read and write at least in their own language wheras only thirty percent of the Afghans can read and write in their own language. Consequently the social norms in Iraq are much easier for women than they are for Afghanistan. Iraq’s technology and infrastructure were smashed when the USA invaded Iraq, but at least there was something to rebuild. Afghanistan never had it to begin with, and as a result labor is more likely to be accomplished with brute human force. Any feminism is not possible without the technology to support it. This is why Iraq has more feminism and is an easier place for women to live on average than Afghanistan.

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Charles Martel March 9, 2012 at 08:12

It’s interesting that The Spearhead is now on the SPLC’s radar screen. As awareness of the MRM grows, it’s important to avoid making it easy for the SPLC and organizations like it to paint the MRM as a hate movement and not a civil rights movement.

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Rebel March 9, 2012 at 08:19

If the purpose of the war in Afghanistan is to free women, why don’t we send exclusively women soldiers there?

Why sacrifice young men who have already been sacrificed here?

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Art Vandelay March 9, 2012 at 08:28

Yay, we are famous ;)

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Charles Martel March 9, 2012 at 08:30

Ryu
The goal of the MRM is not to defeat the feminists. It is to educate the white knights and the enablers.

True, but I see providing information to young men as a more important goal. The MRM will get no help from government or the mainstream media, so the battle must be fought literally one man at a time.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 08:36

@ Charles Martel
Thanks for the information. I’m sure all of us here are being monitored for expressing sacrilegious thoughts.

I want to add to what I said in my last post. Feminism is a big joke without working washing machines and working refridgeration. That’s why there is more of it in Iraq than Afghanistan and why there is more here in the USA than Iraq. However, life is more brutally hard for Iraqi men than American men on average, and Afghanistan men have it the most brutally hard lives by comparison.

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Eric J Schlegel March 9, 2012 at 08:37

Charles, no matter what we say or do, the MRM’s words will be re-framed, as in Rush Limbaugh’s case, to be something Mysoginistic. We do not care what the fembots and manginas say or think; we only want to reach other men trapped in the Matrix. They will only whine and cry we are woman haters and draw attention to our ideology and that is a good thing.

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Thomas Tell-Truth March 9, 2012 at 08:48

“No. Men are NOT treated as property.”

That’s correct. They are not property..you must care for property. Men are fungible goods..to be used up, discarded and replaced.

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Ethical March 9, 2012 at 09:04

“The Spearhead is now on the SPLC’s radar screen.”
@Charles Martel: Do you expect that by appearing “reasonable” to them you’ll convert them to your cause?
I wonder how many Jews went into the gas chamber waiting for “reasonable”. Perhaps if they’d waited a little longer Hitler would have finally just said “yeah you’re right … I wasn’t being very nice, you can all go home from the concentration camp now”.
All over the south, I wonder how many young black boys went into the noose doused in gasoline waiting for “reasonable”. Perhaps if they’d argued their innocence a little more clearly the Grand Wizard would have untied the noose, put down the lighter and sent everyone home from the Klan rally.
Reading the link you posted from the Southern Poverty Law Center’s website I was amazed how most of the posts they called “hateful misogyny” were clearly advocating for the rights of men rather than encouraging hate against women. The SPLC forever lost all credibility for me right then and there. As a consequence reading that page didn’t convince me to change my writing, but it DID convince me that trying to be “reasonable” in the eyes of the SPLC is probably going to be as successful as appealing to the better nature of Hitler or the Klan in the scenarios above.
Our brothers are suffering and dying under the weight of injustice. Not all men will choose to fight this injustice, but those of us who do don’t expect to escape without paying some price. The resistance against misandry will continue. Not the SPLC’s black listing, nor even a million more black listings, will deter us.

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Golden Scepter March 9, 2012 at 09:18

Ryu, keep in mind, the military serves whether the cause is just or unjust. It’s much wiser to respect the neutrality of the institution than to take an attitude opposing the military, or the choice to serve in the military.

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Golden Scepter March 9, 2012 at 09:21

This article makes some very good points.

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keyster March 9, 2012 at 09:46

Other than some horrifying anecdotal press accounts, has anyone put the effort into statistically significant scientific research on how the Afghan population feels about “women’s rights”?

Because if they did, they’d probably find that most women actually like and want it that way. They’d also find that most men are held very strictly accountable to their wives and families, by tribal and religious decree. You WILL take this woman as your wife and you WILL have children and feed them! It’s no bed of roses for men either.

If the Quran says it’s to be so, and they find honor in abiding by it; who are we to object to the freedom to practice their religion and cultural traditions? (Wasn’t that the original purpose of the American “experiment”?) This is exactly why they see this as a “Christian Crusade” against Islam, rather than nation building or national security for their people. This is why they think we’re there, to destroy Islam and their culture. This is why the Taliban supported Al Qaeda, as sort of a pre-emptive international strike force against the “Great Satan” in the west. Of course the Taliban are as tyrannical and patriarchal as a Mexican drug cartel, but then the alternative is a corrupt central government that only pretends to be benevolent.

We want the world to embrace Freedom and Democracy, while preserving their cultures and practicing their religions, as long as its under OUR social and moral TERMS. All one needs to do is research the rise and fall of Rome to see this is deja vu all over again.

A bankrupt federal government with resources strewn across the “Empire”, and so many special interest groups to placate domestically that governance has all but come to a halt.

Meanwhile, a Feminist Activist is upset about not getting free birth control at one of the most upscale, exclusive Universtities in the country, a radio host calls her a name — and the Nation is transfixed because a woman somewhere was offended.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 09:46

I’ll be dropping real stories about what I saw and heard about what happened to the American Soldiers I served with in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is what the wives of these male Soldiers did to them. Gird yourselves because they are real horror stories.

When I was in Afghanistan, there was a male Sergeant who was divorced from his wife whom he had a 2 year old girl who was about to turn 3 years old. The former wife cohabitated with a man I’ll call Mr. Thug Life for reasons you’ll soon see. Mr. Thug Life was known to physically abuse the 2 year old daughter of the Sergeant. The Sergeant was supposed to return home for his daughter’s 3rd birthday. He returned home a week early on emergency leave(vacation or holiday for civilians) because Mr. Thug Life killed the girl. The Sergeant was told by his company commander, an officer and a Captain, and top non-commisioned officer of the company, a First Sergeant, that he did not have to return to Afghanistan and they would cover for him. He returned to Afghanistan after his daughter’s wake, funeral and burial because he did not want to dwell so much on his daughter’s death and told his 1st Sergeant and company commander this after he returned. They were initially aghast of why he would return to fixing helicopters among the daily indirest fire of mortar rounds and rocket attacks, but later understood when he gave his response. I was a friendly acquaitance to the Sergeant’s soldier under him and we had a mutual Army friend. I was in Afghanistan for 12 months from November 2009 to November 2010, and learned of this while guarding the Afghan prisoners of war from our mutual friend.

When I was in Iraq, I while on guard duty at Baghdad International Airport on the Airfield had to console with a fellow upset sorrowful tearful soldier whose friend commited suicide by putting an M-16 rifle to his head in a portapotty and shooting himself. The friend had been on his 3rd deployment to a war zone fixing helicopters and had only went to war in Iraq. He married a woman who had a child with another man and was not a widow but a bastard producer when he had no children of his own(I personally find this to be the worst bad bet ever to make by marrying a woman with children who is not a widow but divorced mother or on average worse bet a bastard producing single mother. Divorced mothers and especially bastard producing single mothers allowed this situation to occur in almost all circumstances, but widowed mothers did not in virtually all circumstances. The only way for a widowed mother could be found guilty of forcing the man out is if she killed or had someone else kill her husband.) and, she explicitly promised to have the second child only with the dead soldier. Needless to say that didn’t happen. The wife commited adultry with a neighbor male(not real man) whom the male Soldier(real man) and husband thought was one of his closest friends. While the Soldier was crying and talking to the wife over the phone about why she did this and why she was impregnated with the neighbor male’s bastard spawn(Note: I don’t blame bastards for their illigitimate birth as it’s not their fault and have sympathy for bastard’s plight, but I do blame their parents as it is their fault. There should be negative words for the biological parents who make the bastards especially the mothers because it is mostly if not entirely their fault this happened. The only exception is genuine rape, not he took advantage of me after I agreed to go home with him while intoxicated nonsense rape for example. I wish the word bastard had a kinder connotation, but it doesn’t for the bastards parents especially the mothers deserve the negative connotations and words applied to them. ), the wife told her husband to kill himself which he did immediately after walking away from the phone. Almost everyone in this dead soldier’s company was upset over his death as he was one of those very few men who was popular and well liked for bringing joy to his fellow Soldiers’ lives in a dreary place like the war in Iraq. After the portapotty had been investigated by the U.S. Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, CID( If you’ve seen the TV show “NCIS” which stands for Naval Criminal Investigation Service which is the same thing for the U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps. you get the idea, and OSI, Office of Special Investigations, is for the U.S. Air Force), and cleaned up and replaced by local workers, fellow Soldiers of the dead Soldier would become upset if any Soldier used thr replacement portapotty. Needless to say, it was the most unused portapotty in a row of a dozen portapotties. Most of figured that the deceased soldier’s wife recieved the Soldier’s Government Life Insurance, SGLI, of 800,000 U.S. dollars for dead Soldiers killed in a war zone and with families at the time even though there is supposed to be no pay out for suicides just to keep the wife quiet, but I really don’t know if she was paid or not. I was in Iraq from May 2007 to august 2008 for 15 months.

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Ryu March 9, 2012 at 10:01

Doclove,

I’d like to read about your military stories. Why not appeal to Welmer to write a real article? It is not that scary and every blog needs content.

He is sure to approve. It takes too much effort to write to have your work buried in the comments.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 10:11

When I was in Iraq, there was a fellow Soldier in my company who was 6 feet and 4 inches tall and 250 pounds in weight. He married a woman, mother, who had 2 bastard children( a worse bet than marrying a mother with no children except for virtually all widows, and also a worse bet than marrying a divorced mother with children which is almost as bad as bastard producing mothers) and, he impregnated her before leaving for Iraq. After she gave birth to his son, she proceeded to commit adultry with several men. She sent video streams and pictures(Think of the scene in the movie, “Jarhead”, concerning U.S. Marines in the Persian Gulf War of 1990-91 in which the wife sent a video of her adultry for the VHS video recorder.)over the internet of her adultry to her husband, my fellow company Soldier. Fortuneately for her, a virus destroyed this and crashed his personal computer he brought which seems to have been sent by her too. She also took(legally stole) his 16,000 U.S. dollar bonus money for re-enlisting too. He divorced her when he returned, and has to pay child support for his son birthed by her.

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Rocco March 9, 2012 at 10:19

If I were a low rent girl and wanted to target a group that would do their duty and pay their child support, I would target young soldeirs.

Condoms young men, don’t believe women, they’re not your mom and they seem hot for you, but their hot for your guarenteed govenment $$.

As you can see above, your worth more dead to them than alive. Dead they get hundreds of thousands of dollars and the freedom to ride the nearest thug.

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tspoon March 9, 2012 at 10:27

females are a demand side wet dream for economists. that is their primary, not to mention only, contribution to modern economic activity. as can be readily seen by the current economic situation, this is only a short term situation.

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Rocco March 9, 2012 at 10:38

And while American male soldiers die for oil the world feminist machine moves forward.

The New York Times announces, at least admitting in the headline the sexism present, but the article is more of the same about how men need to be excluded from families from India to England to Saudi Arabia.

Title: “Are Men Useless (Government says yes)”

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/09/are-men-useless-government-says-yes/?hp

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keyster March 9, 2012 at 10:49

The SPLC and it’s sister organization the ACLU are leftist Thought Police organizations, indirectly associated with the Obama administration’s Homeland Security Dept.

A few years ago Janet Napolitano made a commitment to monitor “right-wing extremist hate groups” in the USA, as part of the “war on domestic terror” campaign. Soldiers returing from Iraq were deemed a particular threat to “watch for”.

Anyone who criticizes leftist policies (feminism or “women’s rights” in this case) is being very closely monitored for the least little threat of violence. Anywhere men are gathering as an organized group (without the auspicies of women and/or a leftist agenda (OWS)) is considered a potential danger to national security.

The idea is that we’ll incite some unstable individual to do something harmful to the “group” we allegedly “hate”, or that we’re creating secret lone wolf sleeper cells throughout the country. A LaPine or Sodini incident might ensue to “send a message”. The intention is to “freeze” the group by creating public hysteria through hyperbolic rhetoric in a sympathetic media.

The SPLC, ACLU and the plethora of victim grievance groups serve as the front lines for monitoring “free speech” for potential actions and the FBI is in lock-step with their efforts, you can rest assure. An agent might be reading this write now.

If you’re for Men and Boys, you hate women by default. This is the characterization of Men’s Rights they’re trying to promote. (Much like if you say you’re “for white people”, you’re racist by default). It’s Alinski-esque/ Critical Theory technique at play. Initiate the criticism and “keep the pressure on”, so they can’t defend themselves.

Be aware how “the war against women” narrative is strengthening as the election nears. Without women, Obama loses and his campaign leaders know it. (Former whitehouse staffer Anita Dunn’s PR agency has taken on Sandra Fluke as a client…yeah, it’s like that)

Stay tuned for yet more Gender War battles.
The watershed moment for the MRM in the common discourse is approaching.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 11:07

There was also a fellow soldier of mine who worked in the same office or right next door while I was in Iraq. He was married to a woman who was an Army brat and her father was a Sergeant Major. My fellow soldier was also an Army brat and the son of a Sergeant Major. The two families knew eachother and were at least friendly acqauinatances if not friends off and on for decades. Military families move a lot and get posted in different installations. My fellow soldier’s father was in Iraq at the same time, and he got to visit him for an afternoon. The father and son were in two different posts or installations or bases in Iraq, and the son caught helicopter rides to and from where his father was. His father retired after this deployment, his only deployment and war. Her father retired too, and I don’t know if he ever served in a war as he was in a mostly peace time Army like my fellow Soldier’s father. She knew what military life was like. My fellow soldier went on an unaccompanied tour of Korea for a year and she did not commit adultry. He came home and had to deploy to Iraq for 15 months after 2 years and 6 months dwell time home at 2 different U.S. Army installations. While we were in Iraq, his wife invited her female friend and her children with her boyfriend to live in the home the Army was paying for off installation. The military will provide housing on installation or pay for housing off installation for all married military personell if they are either married or have children with rare exceptions. The home was trashed which he was responsible for according to the U.S. Army. She also (legally stole) took all of the savings they had amassed which amounted to 20,000 U.S, dollars and he was only left with $2,000 in savings when he returned. He tried to patch things up with her after he returned, but she legally abandoned him and he filed for divorce which was eventually granted. She went running off with what he thought was his best friend, a civilian, from his childhood. She never admitted to the adultry, but her soldier husband eventually figured it out when she was last heard of in another state over a thousand miles away living with his childhood friend. She did admit to co-habitating with her former husband soldier’s male childhood friend to him over the phone when she called to confirm that she had recieved the papers finalizing the divorce. Her family blamed him for causing the marriage to break up for his infidelities which I can personally attest was false. He never commited adultry. Her familt went silent but never apologized to my fellow soldier after she ran off with someone else. We think they knew she was the one commiting adultry and not my fellow soldier. He did clean up the home they were renting after the deployment and before she left almost single handedly because he hates living in filth and because he wanted to avoid trouble with the Army which would blame and punish him for a trashed house even though it was 100% her fault. He also straitened out the finanaces which she ruined, and he would be blamed for if both their names were on the accounts because the Army would blame and punish him for this too if they found out despite it being completely her fault.

Any American Soldier is held responsible for his spouse’s and children’s actions according to the U.S. Army despite him not being there and despite giving him no authority to physically punish said family members and even more restrictive authority to physically restrain family members from causing harm to themselves or others or even physically defend himself than the civilian world. Domestic violence will get him chaptered(fired or sacked or terminated) from the military. It’s virtually certain he will not recieve a honorable discharge and is unlikely to recieve a general discharge which is worse than an honorable discharge but still somewhat ok. He is more likely to recieve(from bad to worst) an other than honorable, bad conduct or dishonorable discharge. I even knew another fellow soldier whose wife blocked the door when he tried to exit a volatile situation. She attacked him and he shoved her aside. She called the police and he was automaticly arrested by the civilian police. Fortuneately for him, she dropped the charges and he got to remain in the Army. He filed for divorce and was granted it.

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universe March 9, 2012 at 11:18

Article puts much into identifiable perspective. MRA or not will absorb it well.

So politicians of N.America, without the consent of their electorate, wish to export and impose its unproven sex oriented (gender issues) Mcvalues, the same ones slowly strangling this culture, upon other nations who function quite well without state sponsored safety nets, unfettered commerce, shopping malls and mass communication.
And these same politicians think nothing about breaking the resolve of foreign peoples by using the mere convenient bodies of those already afflicted with this Mcsocial disease to inflict deadly attrition upon those who function quite well without our fate.
Due to discriminative female favouring affirmative action many young men face some limiting employment options. Some find a haven in the military with the opportunities found there. And due to their sworn allegiance and legal responsibility to the mores of their respective nation these common soldiers end up fighting other people somewhere else for the very things that shackle their own freedom at home.

Thomas Jefferson, dead set against private bank charters, thought it sinful and tyrannical that citizens be compelled to contribute portions of their taxed earnings to finance opinions for which he disbelieves. We see a little in what Jefferson railed against in regarding the little room military men have when following orders beyond their tolerance for what is wrong.

Thanks military guys for your sacrifice. You do by choice what others simply couldn’t do.
It would be something of great magnitude if non-military men would engage the foreign enemy at home so the enlisted wouldn’t have to fight for the values of those who have sold themselves and others out to tower of Babel politics.

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Charles Martel March 9, 2012 at 11:22

Ethical
Do you expect that by appearing “reasonable” to them you’ll convert them to your cause?

I understand your point but the Holocaust analogy is overblown. Free speech is protected by the First Amendment but hate speech and incitement to violence is not. Right now the opposition gets to define hate speech and I have no intention of standing in some future Star Chamber attempting to defend something that I wrote. It will also do none of us any good if the authorities find an excuse to shut down this web site and others like it.

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W.F. Price March 9, 2012 at 11:30

It’s interesting that The Spearhead is now on the SPLC’s radar screen. As awareness of the MRM grows, it’s important to avoid making it easy for the SPLC and organizations like it to paint the MRM as a hate movement and not a civil rights movement.

-Charles Martel

Don’t let it bother you, Charles. You should see what they say about any group that wants to limit immigration. They have their agenda, and it was bound to bump against ours at some point, so this was unavoidable.

Anyway, I’m not going to concern myself with it, although I think if they were being fair and really cared about injustices against the poor and unfortunate, they’d use some of their millions to defend poor fathers from abuses at the hands of courts and local governments. However, I’m not going to hold my breath. I checked their homepage after this little writeup, and it seems the last two lawsuits they were involved with were on behalf of lesbians, against a Minnesota school district and the Virginia commonwealth. Kinda lets you know where their priorities are.

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AAvictim March 9, 2012 at 11:31

These are some frightening stories that I was not aware of. It really makes me rethink the motives of the women I knew who would only date younger guys that were in the military. If women are aware of how the laws treat them they can basically hold men hostage by blackmail of false DV or rape and the law treating this way encourages it.

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Charles Martel March 9, 2012 at 11:36

W. F. Price
Kinda lets you know where their priorities are.

Their priorities are a moving target but defending white northern European culture is not on the SPLC’s list.

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Anna March 9, 2012 at 11:36

All over the south, I wonder how many young black boys went into the noose doused in gasoline waiting for “reasonable”.

Not very many. Lynchings were pretty rare in the 20th century. By the mid-1930s incidents of lynching were in the single digits. This is another area in which PC propaganda lies by omission. Always be skeptical of PC opinions, and always check your facts.

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Bill March 9, 2012 at 12:06

“The irony in the West is that, as women’s rights, grievances and entitlements all go through the roof, Islamic Sharia law looks more and more just.
Rather than bringing the West’s “freedom” and “w0men’s rights” to Islam, disillusioned returning servicemen might be bringing Islam’s view of things to the West.” – Alcuin (above)

This was true before they left. The conservative Christian fundamentalist movement in the US has been working towards this status for women for the last generation.

The long-term intent, as far as I can tell, is to reverse the trend of women’s control over reproductive rights, and to return them to the men who pay for homes and families (the Patriarchal system).

Seen from the Patriarchal standpoint, both women and men benefit.

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Black Rebel March 9, 2012 at 12:10

Give any group enough rights, and they will eventually abuse them.

Why is it that the individual can learn from the past, but society can’t?

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AAvictim March 9, 2012 at 12:20

To put things into perspective there are both bad men and bad women but encouraging bad behavior through sexism is horrible. What if things were reversed and when a man rapes (actual rape) a woman and the man feels “emotionally distressed” or something during it that he calls the cops and has her arrested afterwards. If I hear of this I will take feminists seriously.

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James March 9, 2012 at 12:22

Yep, America’ soldiers are “fighting for women’s rights” to be a whore, to treat men like shit, to destroy men’s lives financially through divorce and support/alimony payments, to destroy men’s lives emotionally through the kidnapping of their children and no contact order making it illegal for a man to even see his own children.

How ANGRY these veterans must be? They risked their life to “protect American women’s freedoms” (i.e., to commit CRIMES against men with impunity) and THIS is how these UNGRATEFUL MONSTER WOMEN treat them?

I am surprised that we don’t see more veterans snapping and murdering huge numbers of American women. I couldn’t blame them if they did.

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Rocco March 9, 2012 at 12:26

But what’s worse than the low rent girls raping our young soldiers financially and emotionally, the high rent girls, the ones with advanced degrees drop out work not because of kids…..because they can.

It seems that once hubby makes 80K per year, women with expensive advanced degrees drop out of the work force.

Don’t expect that woman with the MBA your seeing will contribute once you marry her.

And all these empowered women, the only power they have is to use the state to enslave their husbands who, of course, should the women get bored, have to pay hefty alimony….after all she was a big executive….

“Educated women quit work as husbands earn more”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/08/us-economy-women-idUSBRE8270AC20120308

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Troll King March 9, 2012 at 12:30

Man, I wish I could find a report or article actually that I found about 8 months ago. I remember posting it to reddit.

It dealt with the history of female scammers during WWI and WWII. There were entire gangs of women that would marry multiple soldiers to collect their benefits and so on. One woman, I don’t remember the actual number, was arrested after marrying a huge number of soldiers and enlisted men. Something like 60.

I will see if I can dig it up again.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 12:34

Another fellow Soldier who worked in the same office as me in Afghanistan also got screwed. He was a Marine brat who married a woman who was also a Marine brat. He joined the U.S. Air Force, got married and produced a son with her. She was raped by a stranger while he was on duty one night. She went crazy and did strange things afterwards. She turned off his alarm clock so he would be late for work. Her father was a retired Marine Corps. Sergeant Major, and his father was a retired Marine Corps. Sergeant Major. She filed for divorce as he was getting a General Discharge from the Air Force. She cohabitated with a man who unjustly beat his biological son until he hit this transgressor and threatened to kill him. The former wife left her child abusing boyfriend shortly thereafter. She got the son and exhorbitant child support. I’ll return to his 1st wife later.

He got married to the second woman, a divorcee with 3 children, after working a construction job. The second wife also had a brother who was killed in a training accident while as a passenger in a helicopter as a U.S. Soldier in the 1990s. He joined the U.S. Army National Guard after the construction job wasn’t paying all the bills. He left the Army after he saw the burn victims returning from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars during their early years in an Army hospital as the construction job was paying better as this upset him deeply. He had never been to war in either the regular Air Force nor the Army National Guard. While he was in the Army National Guard the second wife ran off with another man, and the new boyfriend unjustly beat her children. The Soldier contacted his 2nd mother-in-law and eventually took back the 2nd wife despite her adultry, abandonment and her 3 children not being biologically his. He never formally adopted them, and no state government would force him to pay for her children. The regular Army would force him to pay for her 3 children while he was married to her and for his biological son when he enlisted for the regular Army at a later date. I don’t know how things work for the Federal Reserve or National Guard military, but do have some knowledge of the regular active duty military as I’ve only been a member of the regular active duty Army. Her former husband paid child support. Most soldiers worst memories are not those getting killed, maimed or mutilated next to them but watching fellow soldiers burn alive to either survive or die before them or to see the burn victims in a hospital. They say the sight and even the smell is the worst experience. He returned to the military when floods eliminated the need for construction jobs in his area to provide for 2 families even though this was difficult for him to do. He enlisted in the regular Army, and came to my unit.

His 1st wife filed for an increase in child support and got a feminist man hating female judge to agree with the 1st wife a month before he was supposed to deploy to Afghanistan, his 1st war zone deployment. It was my 2nd war zone deployment and my 2nd war. The judge even took stipend money which she wasn’t supposed to take. The judge was only supposed to take income money legally speaking, and knew he would be in Afghanistan within the month. He and his lawyer showed the military documentation proving he had to pay a certain amount of support for his 2nd wife’s children. The judge didn’t care, and told him to pay more child support for his biological son which he did because he had not formally adopted his 2nd wife’s children through any state government agency. He also had to travel hundreds of miles and through a few states as in from the Savannah, Georgia area to the Virginia suburbs of Washington D.C. on his own expense as former 1st wife lived another state at least twice within 3 months before the Afghanistan War deployment which was announced 6 months to all the Soldiers in my brigade(the brigade leadership knew before this of course but were ordered by higher ranking to remain silent until given permission to open their mouths) before it happened. We had extensive training exercises the first 3 months and extensive packing up and shipping the last 3 months before deploying with all the attndant long hours and time away from our home military installation for living, working and sleeping away from our homes. The former 1st wife married a man who made over 100,000 U.S. dollars a year. The former 1st wife of the Soldier had a 2nd husband who got custody of the daughter because his 1st wife was a narcotics addict. His lawyers said they would appeal and try to sort out this mess after he returned from the year long deployment to the war in Afghanistan.

The children from his 2nd wife viewed my fellow soldier as their real father and sent e-mails and talked to him over the phone as to why a strange man was always spending time in thier house with their biological mother. The Soldier had been a real father in an emotional sense ever since he married the 2nd wife in most ways that their biological father either wouldn’t or worse couldn’t be, and I’m not placing any blame on the 3 children’s biological father in any way as he was in a different state hundreds of miles away. The Soldier suspected infidelity and refused to tell his wife when he was going on rest and recreation leave. He returned home on leave from Afghanistan to find the 2nd wife’s lover boyfriend sitting on the parlor couch watching tv. When the soldier was asked who he was, he responded tht he was husband of the crazy girl the couch sitter was having sex with. The Soldier, average size, told the much larger couch man to leave. The couch man knew he was commiting adultry but didn’t care and verbally threatened him. The Soldier threatened to kill the couch man with any hidden waepons he could find in his house. the Couch man left. The 2nd wife returned home to be chastized by the Soldier. The Soldier filed for divorce the next day. The divorce was finalized after we as a unit returned from Afghanistan. He was even willing to take her back for her 2nd adultry if she went to counseling. she refused. He had bonded with his 2nd wife’s 3 children which were biologically not his and had some difficulty having them taken from him just as he did with his own biological son. All four of his children suffered after the divorces. The 2nd wife moved in with the couch man at the end of the divorce. His child support issues with the former 1st wife in Virginia weren’t resolved when he got posted to an installation in Texas, but at least he didn’t have to pay child support according to the state of Georgia and according to the military when his divorce from the 2nd wife was finished.

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Troll King March 9, 2012 at 12:37

Well, I haven’t been able to find the original link but here is a blog that talks about some of it:

http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2011/09/marriage-scams-against-servicemen-in-ww.html

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Höllenhund March 9, 2012 at 12:37

@Charles Martel 11:22

“Free speech is protected by the First Amendment but hate speech and incitement to violence is not.”

No. Both are protected, as long as they’re directed against men.

The idea that you can avoid being targeted by your ideological enemies by presenting yourself as more moderate is utterly absurd and nobody should even give it a thought.

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James March 9, 2012 at 12:40

HOLY FUCKIN GSHIT, Southern Poverty Law Center listed my Boycott American Women blog as a HATE site on their website (link above)

Wow, we are really getting some attention now.

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James March 9, 2012 at 12:41

Here is what they said about my blog:

Boycott American Women
This site’s mission statement describes American women as “generally immature, selfish, extremely arrogant and self-centered, mentally unstable, irresponsible and highly unchaste. The behavior of most American women is utterly disgusting.” Plus, they supposedly pose a higher risk of divorce than women from such countries as Russia, Thailand and the Philippines, where the blog suggests men find their mates. The site is rife with posts from outsiders, like the recent one that said: “I think we should export all american [sic] bitches to other countries and take in women from other places. … Have you noticed how fat these sluts get AT AN EARLY AGE… . [I]f you were allowed to beat your wife we wouldn’t be dealing with this crap.”

LMFAO!

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keyster March 9, 2012 at 12:44

“As awareness of the MRM grows, it’s important to avoid making it easy for the SPLC and organizations like it to paint the MRM as a hate movement and not a civil rights movement.”

Dear Charles:
I understand your point, but that ship has already sailed. They aren’t literally about Civil Rights. They are about promoting and defending a leftist/statist/anti-white male socio-political agenda, cloaked in a “human rights” banner; because how can you possibly be against “human rights”? (Or the “Affordable Healthcare Act”, etc. and so on?)

Disagreeing with them, or any tactics they employ is by definition “HATE”. We’re objecting to feminist governance and its affect on boys and men here, while subjectively criticizing female nature. This will not be permitted. And FYI the woman who oversees their hate “Intelligence Reports” (Ms. Heidi Bierich), is no doubt a fairly strident lesbian/feminist bully.

http://www.splcenter.org/who-we-are/staff/heidi-beirich-phd

So know matter how nice you play, it’s not a level playing field…just like most matters when living within the Gynocracy.

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Charles Martel March 9, 2012 at 12:48

Hollenhund
The idea that you can avoid being targeted by your ideological enemies by presenting yourself as more moderate is utterly absurd and nobody should even give it a thought.

That’s just internet tough guy talk. We still have the rule of law in the US, despite the hyperbolic claims sometimes made here. Free speech is protected, incitement to violence is not.

This is a battle of words, a propaganda war. Anyone who takes it beyond that or encourages someone else to go beyond that is an idiot.

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Charles Martel March 9, 2012 at 12:53

Keyster
Disagreeing with them, or any tactics they employ is by definition “HATE”. We’re objecting to feminist governance and its affect on boys and men here, while subjectively criticizing female nature. This will not be permitted. And FYI the woman who oversees their hate “Intelligence Reports” (Ms. Heidi Bierich), is no doubt a fairly strident lesbian/feminist bully.

You’re spending too much time in the internet echo chamber. There’s nothing Ms. Heidi can do to you for your objections to feminist governance or criticisms of female nature. Those sentiments are protected free speech.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 13:25

I should say the soldier listed in the above post didn’t have to pay child support to the former 2nd wife according to the state of Georgia and the military when the divorce was finalized. He did when they were still married. No civilian man would be required to do this if he didn’t formerly adopt the children through a government approved agency.

I even knew 2 female Soldiers whose civilian husbands had commited adultry, took all their money from the joint bank accounts, screwed up the finanaces, trashed the houses, and created other problems. This was a much more common occurance among male Soldiers and their female civilian spouses. I have many more stories about male soldiers getting screwed over by their civilian spouses than female soldiers getting screwed over by their male civilian spouses. The worst the civilian male husband fathers did was commit adultry, but they never allowed their homes to be trashed, nor did they ruin the family finances and nor did they bring their girlfriend’s over; and, the female civilian mothers routinely did. I never heard of male civilians harming their own biological children in any way, but have heard about females harming their own biological children while I was in the military. Fox News on the internet had an article in the Fall of 2009 saying that fathers are less likely to harm or neglect the children when the mothers deployed to a war zone than mothers are to harm or neglect children when the fathers deployed to a war zone.

I also knew a devout Protestant Christian soldier in my battalion whose wife was causing problems and spending all the money they had in their joint bank account. I’m still a Catholic Christian. A mutual acquaintance told me he suspected that the devout Protestant Christian Soldier’s wife was commiting adultry.He thought the wife was a good devout Christian woman because he met her in his church before they married. I believe he found out differently when he was in Afghanistan with me. I told him all the horroe stories between military spouses and their civilian spouses. I told him all I said above. At the begining of the deployment he was very pro-marriage and for his wife. He asked me to forgive him at the end of the deployment for he silently thinking I was a fool. He never said anything to me or anyone else about these negative thoughts about me. i told him there was nothing to forgive as far as I was concerened, but I would forgive him if he needed to assuage his conscience. I forgave him, but told him it wasn’t necessary as we all have bad thoughts from time to time about everyone and felt that as long as we didn’t dwell on these thoughts there was no sin. I told him few people need to be forgiven for their negative or sinful thoughts alone especially if they never express them in any way which he never did. He never told me the reasons why he thought I was foolish as he said this was a private matter, but silently I knew and continued to say nothing out of respect to him. I said nothing to anyone until now except for the mutual acquaintance who confided in me. Even now as in all my stories, I’ve maintained their confidentiality out of respect to them and their plight. This Protestant Christian Soldier recognized that I gained wisdom from living 42 years on this Earth(I’m 44 now), having experience from the Iraq deployment which was applicable to our then Afghan deployment, being well read on this subject, and having anecdottal experience in both my life and also the stories told to me by others about their lives. He acknowledged that I was one of the wisest men he knew at the end of our conversation, and wished he would have listened to me long before at the end of the deployment to Afghanistan before we went home.

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James March 9, 2012 at 13:41

Thanks to doclove for posting his soldier stories, I have saved them and may use them in the future to show how evil American women are.

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Anna March 9, 2012 at 13:44

You’re spending too much time in the internet echo chamber. There’s nothing Ms. Heidi can do to you for your objections to feminist governance or criticisms of female nature. Those sentiments are protected free speech.

They don’t encourage violence (thankfully), but they do pretty much everything within the law to shut people down, including trying to get people or organizations on their shit list thrown out of hotels and conference centers or make it more difficult for them to find employment.

They don’t just meet speech with more speech. They are actively pro-censorship.

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Szebran March 9, 2012 at 13:56

Well written, and BTW the California Court of Appeals should be arrested!

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Little John March 9, 2012 at 13:59

Wear the hatred of the Southern Poverty Lie Center as a Badge of honor. Something truly hilarious about the Lie Center upholding women’s rights is the history of Morris Dees, its founder. Go to google and type in “Morris Dees divorce,” and read about his abusive antics toward women as recounted by one of his ex-wives.

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AAvictim March 9, 2012 at 14:10

@Keyster

I have to disagree there are people that are against human rights. Well they are against the rights of certain groups that do not fall under their race or sex.

The rest of your post is spot on.

@ Anna

If a group tries to push that a certain sex or a member of a certain group cannot be the perpetrator or be violent they are de facto advocating an increase in violence. Calling a group that wants sexual equality a hate group in a backwards way does advocate violence. These “human rights” groups tactfully get their objectives of supremacy and an increase in violence from the results, not just from what they say.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 14:36

There was yet another soldier who had been to both Iraq and Afghanistan with. He married a woman and had 2 daughters with her. He had gone to Iraq and recieved no major over the top horrifying problems from his wife. He returned home and everything was fine until he deployed to Afghanistan. When he returned home on Rest and Recuperation leave, he found his wife naked and intoxicated on narcotics next to her naked and intoxicated boyfriend. He found a 12 year old boy intoxicated on narcotics under his daughter’s bed. His daughters were in day care or school. The house was trashed and she tried to ruin the family finances. He did the sensible thing by calling the police. the wife, her boyfriend and the 12 year old boy were arrested. His daughters were placed with Child Protective Services, CPS, at the end of his leave because he had to return to Afghanistan. He filed for divorce that day. He got the divorce finalized and recieved his children back from CPS with a restraining order against the wife from seeing the children and a court order to pay child support to her husband shortly after returning home on the Afghanistan deployment. He justly and perfectly played the divorce, child support, police and CPS game. Few men are provided that opportunity, and even fewer play it well even when offered. His former wife both provided and offered him that opportunity and she lost big time unlike most American women.

I knew an immigrant Soldier who was brought into the USA as a very young child, enlisted in the U.S. Army at the age of 18, recieved his U.S. citizenship 3 years later and then married a woman almost a decade older than him. He spent some time in the USA before being posted to Germany. He was in a brigade posted to Germany for 2 years in an unaccompanied tour which deployed to Iraq 3 months after he came to Germany. He spent 6 months in Germany after his 15 month tour in Iraq. He came home for a 9 month dwell time to an installation in the state of Georgia, then deployed with a seperate brigade, our brigade, to Afghanistan. He had a son with her and had been in the Army for 7 years before deploying to Afghanistan. He had no problems with her as far as he knew while in Germany or Iraq. His problems started while he was in Afghanistan. She took all of his money out of his joint bank account, spent it on motels to have sex with her boyfriend, spent money on her boyfriend, trashed the family finances, and of course commited adultry while he was in Afghanistan. He knew this because his family(parents, uncles, aunts and cousins) gave him barely enough money to hire a private investigator. He presented this evidence to his chain of command in the Army while we were in Afghanistan. He was in a different company, but the same batallion as me, and we guarded the Afghan Prisoners of War, POWs, in a detail for a long time together. His chain of command didn’t care in my humble opinion. He failed at the running portion of the physical training tests, PT test, while we were in Afghanistan on an installation or Forward Operating Base which was 7000 feet above sea level in a valley which was surrounded by mountain peaks which stood at 10,000 feet. He was overall improving every month on his PT tests. We were set to return home in November 2010. they sent him home early in October 2010, a month early. If he didn’t pass a PT test by 01 November 2010 or maybe a few days later, it didn’t matter because his contract ended on 31 January 2011. At that time a Soldier had to re-enlist 90 days before his contract ended, and if he wasn’t passing PT he couldn’t re-emlist. His chain of command had administratively reduced nearly everyone in rank who couldn’t pass the PT test after 2 attempts while we were in Afghanistan. Wash rinse and repeat for every 2 failed attempts until he was an E-1 paygrade Private, the lowest rank. We were a helicopter batallion, and not even the infantry, cavalry scouts and combat engineer batallions on installation administratively reduced the rank and pay grade of Soldiers who failed the PT test in Afghanistan. They simply started the chaptering out process as soon as they returned home. Anyone who was E-7 and above paygrade was exempt from this because the batallion commander, a lieutenant colonel and the officers under him couldn’t do anything to someone with the pay grade and rank E-7 and above without permission from higher ranks of officers. It is extremely difficult to do anything to an enlisted military person who is ranked and pay grade E-7 and above according to military regulation. It is easy to do something(punish) to E-5 and E-6 pay grades and ranks, and extremely easy to do something to ranks and pay grades E-1 through E-4. This immigrant Soldier was chaptered out a month earlier than his contract was supposed to end. He recieved a General Discharge instead of an Honorable Discharge which is much better because it entitles the Soldier to better and benefits from the Veterans Administration when he leaves the military. He was so broke that he had to live in a home of a fellow American born and reared Soldier with his wife and children in our batallion. This immigrant Soldier couldn’t even collect unemployment. I had known Soldiers who were chaptered out of the Army for failing PT tests before but never being administratively reduced in rank for failing them. Few ever failed the push up part or sit up part of the PT test my entire time in the Army. Of all PT failures, at least 80% or more failed the run. More Soldiers were failing the run in Afghanistan at 7000 feet above sea level than any other place I’ve been in the Army including Iraq.

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Jennifer March 9, 2012 at 14:41

It’s definitely time to bring our boys back. I feel for those people, any under a dictator’s reign, but we’ve killed what, three tyrants now? We can only do so much, and it’s not our country. Time to come home.

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Lovekraft March 9, 2012 at 15:07

Academia, the military, Christianity, politics.

Anywhere there seems to be a hint of male dominance or, at the very least, contribution, you can bet that Marxists/progressives will be doing their best to undermine and eventually corrupt.

To the point where there is an Orwellian 1984-type society, with upside-down morality, legal jurisprudence being a distant memory, and scapegoats aplenty.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 15:21

While I was in Iraq, we finally had a briefing about Soldier Suicide because a Soldier within the brigade commited suicide by shooting himself in the head with an M-16 rifle in a portapotty which I recounted above. We learned that the overwhelming majority of Soldiers who commit suicide do so because their wives or girlfriend back home are threatening to leave them by sending Dear John letters, Dear John E-mails and Dear John telephone calls. The Soldiers learn that if there are any of said Soldier’s progeny, the mother is taking them and demanding child support. These women whether they are mothers or not have often taken most if not all of the money from the joint bank accounts, screwed up the Soldier’s finances at hom, screwed up their credit rating and are often cheating or commiting adultry. Soldiers are either told this by their romantic love interest women or by a third party from home. The military almost always considers it the Soldier’s problem and won’t let him return home on emergency leave to alleviate or fix the problems. Many if not most of the higher chain of command than the particualar soldier in question will blame the Soldier for his problems and possibly punish him for it from what I’ve percieved in my humble opinion. We were told that threats of suicide and actual suicide set off other Soldiers to threaten or commit suicide.

After the potapotty suicide, at least six soldiers threatened to commit suicide within the brigade. One Soldier within my batallion while we were in Iraq beged to go home after he realized she was commiting adultry, destroying his credit and finances. He was refused emergency leave. Finally, he pulled out an M-9 handgun, put it to his head in front of the batallion commander, BC(My Iraqi BC was much better than my Afghan BC in my humble opinion), as well as other witnesses, and threaten to commit suicide immediately in front of my Iraqi BC unless he was allowed to return home ASAP. The BC promised to let him go home and beged the soldier to put the weapon down. the Soldier complied. The Soldier was put on suicide watch for as week while arrangements were made to send him home. He was sent home and medically chaptered out with an Honorable Discharge for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. He was lucky in a sense because at least he will recieve help. Other Soldiers have been known to be punished for threatening to commit suicide, then chaptered out with a General Discharge at best for much more limited VA benefits than an Honorable Discharge. Still other soldiers have recieved an Other than Honorable, Bad conduct or Dishonorable Dicharge for threatening suicide at worst and recieve no VA benefits and limited job prospects because of this in the civilian world if their suicide threats are deemed false.

Some Soldiers threaten to kill or actually kill other innocent Soldiers because of what their girlfriends or wives do to them. While I was in Afghanistan, one Soldier’s girfriend was cheating on him yet again, and he became upset. He upset a Sergeant over him by acting stupidly and mocking the Sergeant while seeming to comply with the Sergeant’s orders. Finally an arguement erupted. the soldier ran to the gun rack an threatened to kill his platoon. Fortuneately, this Soldier was tackled before he could reach the loaded weapons by 3 Sergeants. He was arrested, prosecuted under the Uniform code of Military Justice or UCMJ, convicted and sentenced to a month in jail with an Other than Honorable Discharge. He had a great Military Defense Attorney who got him to plead out for what should have been a harsher sentence.

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keyster March 9, 2012 at 15:48

“They (SPLC) don’t just meet speech with more speech. They are actively pro-censorship.”

They’ve purposefully positioned themselves as the righteous arbiters of what you can and cannot say, that disagrees with the Liberal/Statist narrative. Note how, like Mr. Boobz does, they disengenuously pluck little out of context snippets from MRA sites, in order to punctuate their findings.

They’re an organization hell bent on owning and redefining the word “HATE” to suit their secular-progressive political agenda; to shut down opposition or dissent to it. There can be no public discourse or debate, because they’re reclaiming the language; much like the Slutz, the Rape culture, etc.

“We (SPLC) launch innovative lawsuits that seek to destroy networks of radical extremists.”

“Innovative lawsuits”?
In other words they attack people they identify as “haters” or “bigots” by grinding them down financially with legal fees and court costs if they refuse to cease and desist their “hate” activities.

In October 2010 the SPLC reported its endowment at $216.2 million.

Any lawyers here willing to work for Welmer pro-bono?
When he needs money to defend the Spearhead do you think we can collectively muster up around $100K between us? Surely there’s some spare change among the lint!

Don’t brush this off that easy fellow new media activists and commentors. If these groups have to invent shit to thrive, they will.

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Boxer March 9, 2012 at 15:48

Doclove:

These stories you relate, horrifying as they may be, fit perfectly with the stories I hear from my students who have returned from deployment and enrolled in my classes.

There is a real sense of shame in these young men who feel (usually without any merit whatever) that they have somehow failed due to the loathsome behaviour of their whore wives and babymamas. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth, but it seems to be a meme for American men that if they get the usual Ameriskank whore for a wife that somehow it is their fault, or that they did something wrong. This is a great hindrance, because these young men are often reticent to tell other men what happened to them. It’s for us to talk about it when they can’t. Heaven knows they’ve suffered plenty, and I understand if most of them want to just forget their misadventures in marriage and family with a skanky American whore and move on with their lives.

Regards, Boxer

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Rebel March 9, 2012 at 15:49

I was wondering: will the Taliban raise an army and come here to fight for men’s freedom???

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American March 9, 2012 at 16:26

Perverse Alliances between Gender-Raunch and American law enforcement has made persecuting innocent people in the US on false accusations of rape and domestic violence, a routine phenomena.
Future historians will note that the main reason that American Gender-Raunch became so powerfull in US academia in this time period, was because of the “missinformation and manufactured statistics Alliance ” they had been engaged in with American law enforcement to “Inflame” their way to power.

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saw March 9, 2012 at 16:26

Why does everybody assume that every GI Joe and Jane is some kind of hero?

Most service members risk little more than hangovers and car accidents. About like college students.

And for those in mixed units (the vast majority) there’s plenty of pussy to go around.

As for the guys that actually do risk life and limb, they have a tendency to enjoy the risk. I know I did.

In short, I don’t give a shit about the guys and gals in uniform. They’re not doing me any favors. And, just like so many other aspects of our society, the military is hyped beyond any semblance of reality.

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American March 9, 2012 at 16:30

Boxer, as an educator, you have an interesting opportunity to challenge (In a subtle way so Gender-Raunch can’t attack you), alot of the missinformation that is passed around campuses as truth.

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American March 9, 2012 at 16:33

Like for instance the agitation propaganda that ” violence is patriarchy”, when 85 percent of repeat violent offenders currently in Americas prisons come from the segment of society with no fathers or adult males around at all; which would make it more of a “Matriarchy” that a “Patriarchy”.

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Ethical March 9, 2012 at 16:44

I stumbled on a site that raises some great comments about feminism being a hate group. http://www.womenagainstmen.com/media/feminism-is-a-hate-group.html
It identifies quite a few comments inciting violence against men that are absolutely and unequivocally hate speech. I’m all in favour of a letter being written to the SPLC demanding for these feminist groups to be added to an “anti-misandry” list.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 16:56

All of my above stories are true to the best of my recollection. All of them happened within my brigade. Most happened within my batallion and many happened within my company. A brigade is a bigger more populous unit than a batallion which is in turn bigger than a comapany which in turn is bigger than a platoon. All of these stories came from 1st hand accounts by the soldiers directly telling me or through a 2nd hand account with an intermediary soldier, the second party, telling me, the first party, about another soldier, the third party. I believe all of these stories are credible and would not tell them if I didn’t. I could tell a few more stories, but have chosen to stop. I’ve only told the most horrific ones, not all of them. To be honest, I’ve forgotten many of the more mundane ones and have only told the most interesting horror stories that I could remember off hand. Girlfriends and wives screwing over their boyfriend Soldiers and husband Soldiers while he is deployed to a war zone is common place. Sometimes it’s boyfriends and husbands doing the same to female soldiers. I’ve known 2 female Soldiers who were screwed over by their civilian husbands and none by their civilian boyfriends. I’ve known dozens of male Soldiers screwed over by their civilian girfriends and much more commonly screwed over by their Civilian wives. The military can do a lot stop military spouses from being too abusive and usually do, but they can hardly do a thing to stop abusive civilian spouses and so don’t stop them. The Soldier is all too often blamed and/or punished(They usually call it corrective training instead of punishment, but it sure feels like punishment.) for what his spouse or children do even if he wasn’t there.

There was a 75 % divorce rate in the Army and a 70 % Divorce rate in the Marine Corps. with Navy and Air force divorce rates being lower than the civilian national Average in the Fall of 2009. The divorce rate in the USA is near 50% across the nation on average.The Navy and Air Force personnell don’t deploy as much as the Army and Marines. Army deployments were typically for one year and Marine deployments were typically for 6 months back then to a war zone. the suicide rates have gone up dramatically for the Army and Marines since 11 September 2001 and are at their highest levels in history. The Army suicide rate finally surpassed the Marine suicide rate for the first time in history around the year 2006. The military blames the number of deployments and the duration of deployments. Most male Soldiers do not commit suicide nor threaten to do so for their war time even combat duties. Most male Soldiers commit suicide or threaten to do so because their family and romantic lives are going poorly usually because their girfriends and wives are causing trouble and threatening to leave, and almost certainly threatening to take his children away if he has any and demanding child support. Often these women have depleted joint bank accounts, destroyed the Soldier’s finances and credit rating as well as often cheated or commited adultry. Female Soldiers are much more likely to commit suicide or threaten to commit suicide for being in a war zone than male Soldiers are. Men get Post Traumatic Stress from being in a war zone too, but percentage wise less often and in a less severe form on average than women do. Everthing I’ve stated in this paragraph was true in 2009 according to what I read and remember. I got out with an Honorable discharge in April 2011 after being in the U.S. Army since February 2003 after a little over 8 years in the military. After Basic and Advanced Individual Training, AIT, I spent 3 years in South Korea. Then I chose a different military occupational specialty, MOS, returned to AIT(school) and was in the USA, Iraq or Afghanistan for my permanent(work) duty station.

Everyone is free to reprint and use this as long as they reprint it word for word and I keep my anonymity. Many People including my parents and sisters don’t understand why I think marriage and having children is a raw deal for men in today’s USA, and sometimes get angry at me for saying so. I tell them its bad for civilians but much worse for miltary. Oddly, one female Irish immigrant bartender from the same Irish county as my deceased grandparents understood and told me about her cousin who is in the U.S. Army and Infantry had horror stories about Soldiers girlfriends and wives. He doesn’t want to marry and said the military was a poor place to have wives and children. I agreed with her cousin whom I never met. she told me that military personell who deploy to a war zone are never one of the normals(civilians) but are the abnormals(military personell who went to war). I laughed and agreed. I won’t say I’m insane because I’m clearly not, but my perspective on this and many other things not discussed here is very different from civilians because I am a war veteran. I believe myself more realistic than most civilians. It’s odd because in many ways I share not only more in common with my fellow Iraq War and Afgahnstan War veterans than civilians the same age as me or other civilians of differant ages than me, but I share many things in common with World War 2, Korean War, Vietnam War and even Persian Gulf or Panamanian War Veterans than I do with civilians. War veterans are truly in a war apart from the civilians even if they saw and did little over there like I did. I saw the wounded come in covered in blankets after being shot off installation and indirect fire of mortars and rockets explode in front of me, but i never killed, maimed, mutilated or shot anyone nor did I see anyone get wounded in front of me in live action. I was lucky in many ways as believe it or not many soldiers are who didn’t do hardcore comat duty because it takes a lot of Combat Support Soldiers to support combat Soldiers. I have been noted to have deployed to a Combat Zone according to my Department of Defense Certificate of Release or Discharge, DD 214 form, but I do not have a Combat Action Badge(CAB), Combat Infantry Badge(CIB) nor a Combat Medic Badge, but I have a Combat Patch of the unit I deployed with on the right shoulder of my Army Combat Uniform(ACUs) and Class A(Dress Green) uniform as well as yellow combat stripes on my lower sleeves of the class As . Unit patches are worn on the left sleeves of the ACUs and Class As. I could have done without the political screw job games many Soldiers in my helicopter batallion’s and my ground support company’s for the helicopters in my opinion. I also saw more political screwjob games in my chain of command while in this same helicopter batallion and ground support company which deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan decided to play for no good reason. I never saw that level of political screw job games in Korea nor from as many Soldiers playing screwjob games in my opinion of all ranks, and other soldiers who arrived from other war time units of all kinds of units including helicopter batallions didn’t see it either. Noone can completely get away from political screwjob games in any line of work both civilian and military. It is really appalling to have political screwjob games in the military because at any moment you could require someone you don’t like and he doesn’t like to to save you or you save him from grave harm. My units’ chain of command in Korea were much better at reducing the political screwjob games because they played it less ardently and less often than my chain of command in both Iraq and Afghanistan. They also tolerated it less from the Soldiers under them which helped. I can honestly say that there was more esprit de corps. and less political screw job games in Korea. There should have been more esprit de corps. and less political screw job games in both Iraq and Afghanistan, but there wasn’t. Other Soldiers from the same Brigade but from from other batallions who had been transfered to my batallion said the same that there was less political screw job games and more esprit de corps; and, other Soldiers from different brigades entirely said the same things. I got out under good terms with an Honorable Discharge from the military, and even though I’m out of work nowand looking for work, I will say I’m glad to be out. i will keep my units’ anonymity and my own as much as I can for good valid reasons as I don’t need any trouble, and it would really upset me if I got it because it would be completely vindictive and unnecessary.

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Opus March 9, 2012 at 17:16

I have been looking at the briefing on the SPLC site and these people are true believers. They really need to get out more. They claim that 90% of women have been physically attacked by men and nearly 20% raped. Their figures are almost up with the parody figures that Man Factor uses.

One of the more bizarre things about American law that has always struck me is that people can institute what are called class actions. All you need is a group and some money and off you go. You can’t do that here, where you need some locus or vested interest – although of course we don’t have a second amendment so the Governemnt can ban whatever it wants. I looked at their map and they hate at least 18 groups in Washington State alone (for having different views to them).

Maybe it really is that bad in The States, but I can tell you that the headline and full page spread in my local paper this week (pop 100,000) is that a 70 year old Grandmother of Nine and Salvation Army collector who does all the pubs on a Friday night was turned away from one. Clearly my local police are sleeping on the job and need to go out and find some of those rapists and violent men – though there was a flasher a month or so ago. They took that very seriously – as did I, as I went to see if I could spot him, without success. (English women are really scared of a flacid penis).

The SPLC are also very gullible as they quote British Home Office figures (which every one knows are cooked and no one believes any more than Russians used to believe Grain Harvest figures) and certainly do not tie in with either my experience or the stuff in the local rag. I suggest they read AngryHarry (though it is not a hate site but usually very funny) and read Steve Moxon’s book. That is my pro-bono advice to them.

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Ethical March 9, 2012 at 17:16

@doclove: Thanks for sharing. The vulnerable position that military men are put in with regards to domestic violence charges, alimony, and child support as a result of divorce or separation really has to be exposed. To a young man the military seems like a good deal because it pays for your education. It may not seem like so much of a good idea when it’s invasive and draconian garnishment and domestic violence policies have unfairly victimized him at the behest of the wife or girlfriend back at home. He may end up losing far more financially and losing more in terms of his sense of well being than he ever gained.

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greyghost March 9, 2012 at 17:17

Doclove your stories are very interesting and familiar. I left the marine corps in 96 and it was bad then. I see no way a man can be married today. Your stories should be a part of the recruits training in boot camp. family law and it’s enforcement should be a military correspondence course ( we called MCI Courses) It should also be a part of any NCO school,Staff acadomy, officer training or any other leadership school.
I think these stories are known by the DHS because the head of that government agency declared the veterans as powder kegs waiting to go off. Mabybe i can go to the navytimes web site and start leaving urls to mens blogs in the comment section.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 17:20

@ Boxer
Thanks. I agree that these veteran soldiers should feel no sense of shame. They did the best they could under very trying circumstances. I really hated when our leadership stated that the family suffered more staying at home than we did deploying because they were worrying while we were doing our work over there in a war zone. I could understand the children who were overwhelmed by being anxious for their deployed parents because they were children and that is to be expected. I could never understand any adults remaining at home in the USA being overwhelmed because they were adults and it’s their obligation to act like adults. I especially found the mothers, wives and girlfriendsin this order from top to bottom anxiety and poor behavior to be particularly bad. They are adults and it’s time for them to act like adults. The fathers, husbands and boyfriends who remained at home performed better on average because they truly realized and accepted the fact that they were adults and it was time to act like sane mature good adults. We had all of their anxities that they had at home and more. This was even more true if the Soldiers were family men being fahters and/or husbands unlike me. I feel that my stories’ veracity is confirmed by the similar stories my comrade veterans say. Thankyou for your confirmation and support.

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Avenger March 9, 2012 at 17:29
Ethical March 9, 2012 at 17:34

A must read article along the same lines as mine: Media focus on rapes and other female miseries while ignoring male executions, worked-to-death laborers, tortured prisoners, and nine-year-old boy soldiers trained to kill and be killed.

http://ncfm.org/2011/10/news/conscription/media-focus-on-rapes-and-other-female-miseries-while-ignoring-male-executions-worked-to-death-laborers-tortured-prisoners-and-nine-year-old-boy-soldiers-trained-to-kill-and-be-killed/

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 17:46

@ greyghost
Hello, brother. We are brothers for serving in the military. I agree with you that marriage and/or children is usually a bad idea in the military. The early Roman Empire banned to everyone who was not at the very least ranked Centurion for very good reasons. Even Centurions had to get permission to marry which may not have been granted. The truth is about every military especially for the lower ranked you are is that you are someone’s bitch to use, abuse and discard or even get maimed mutilated or killed as long as it’s done in a legal manner. (E=enlisted, W=warrant officer and O=Officer) This is hearbreakingly true if you are lower enlisted, E-1 through E-4 rank and paygrade. It is slightly less true if you are pay grade and rank E-5 and E-6. It is better to be an officer who is pay grade W-1 O-1 and O-2. It’s still even better to be E-7 through E-9, W-2 and W-3 and O-3. It’s even better than that if you are W-4 and W-5 and O-4 through O-6. It’s best to be E-10(There’s only one in each branch of military service e.g. Sergeant Major of the Army) and O-7 through O-10. Even the O-10′s, four star Generals and Admirals, can be unjustly subjected to unjust degradation and humiliation with no recourse from the President or any member of Congress. It is even true of the few 5 star Generals and Admirals which haven’t been around since World War 2. Only in the American Civil War, World War 1 and World War 2 have we had 5 star Generals and Admirals raised from their 4 star rank. Remember Senator Barbara Boxer demanding General David Petraeus calling her Senator instead of Madam in shrill tones despite he calling male Senators Sir with no negative reaction from the male Senators.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 17:55

@ greyghost
I noted that marriage and legitimately recognized children(the only way a child could be legitimate was through marriage) was strictly banned in the early Roman Empire unless the Soldier was ranked Centurion or above. Even the Centurion had to get special permission, and this was not always granted. I have a theory. If you aren’t ranked at least at E-5 or above it is an extremely bad idea. It get’s better if you are ranked E-7 or above in the enlisted world. I don’t think a warrant officer should get married unless he is W-2 or above nor an officer get married unless he is at least O-3 and above. The reason is female hypergamy. Sooner or later the women find out you’re someone’s bitch and too low ranked of a bitch if you aren’t high ranked enough for their personal tastes and then you’re in trouble. Few see this in the military and even fewer say it.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 18:03

@ Ethical
I agree. Many people don’t see the danger. Many don’t know that too much of it comes from political screwjob games which can ruin a Soldier’s life prospects. In some ways the military is easier than the civilian world, and in other ways is harder. Choose wisely and be careful of what you do when it comes to joining the miltary. Be careful if you’re in the military. It can be a good experience or a bad one depending on a whole host of circumstances and depending upon each individual person. Having to be in a war zone can make the bad extremely worse.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 18:06

@ James
You have my permission to use my material printed in posts under this article as long as you reprint it word for word, and I remain anonymous.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 18:17

@ Ryu
I wrote this while the iron was hot so to speak. It may a very rough draft that I may never get around to making a good clean copy. Feel free to read my comments and use them. I really liked your article named ” The New Tet Offensive” and hope you link the article. The only quibble I have is for you not feeling some sympathy for those you join the military. Most enlisted now and in the past men join because it’s either that or being a homeless hungry man. It’s often true for the young officers who graduate from university these days too. I’m proud of my decision to join the military, but I’m happy thus far to be out of the military too, and this makes sense to those most of us who have been in the miltary. If they knew or had better choices they would choose them. you are right about how screwed cops and the military are if they are American. you say better that better than i ever have or could. Feel free to use what I’ve written as posts in this article as long as you reprint anything I’ve written word for word, and above all that I remain anonymous.

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doclove March 9, 2012 at 18:24

@ WF Price
Feel free to reprint anything I’ve written under this article as long as it is an accurate reprinting and I remain anonymous. I think I’m done now. I have written what I have written. Wow, I just quoted the early Roman Empire Soldier and Governor of Judea, Pontius Pilatus as written in the Latin language(or Pontius Pilate in the English version of his name), of the Bible specifically of the New Testament 4 Gospel’s fame.

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freebird March 9, 2012 at 18:34

Thanks for the tales of woe from the front doclove.
The first couple brought a tear to the eye, then just a knot in the stomach.

Very moving.How sad the good parts of these men are legally exploited by evil women and the evil system that supports them.Part of that evil system is the enforcers such as SPLC.

Dees and Hitler are cut out of the same cloth.

Angry Harry is specifically mentioned, if you look hard enough.
Try typing non-existent words such as “misandry” into SPLC’s search bar.

MeanWhile the Supreme One is fixn to get WW III rollin, first by sucking off the Zionists.

Israel first!At any cost!Sig Heil!

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piercedhead March 9, 2012 at 18:40

Gender Raunch Guy,

I see you are not to be discouraged by a little unpopularity amongst what I assume to be your fellow men. The mission to make “Gender-Raunch” a global new term in the language, no matter the cost to your own credibility, and everyone else’s patience, goes on unabated. Good for you. The difference between lunacy and genius only becomes clear with hindsight. I hope you live to be worshipped.

Have you considered how very unproductive the moniker “American” is in your quest for fame, notoriety or, dare I say it, immortality? After all, a full majority of readers qualify to call themselves by the very same epithet. Why not differentiate yourself, and adopt a nom-de-plume exposing yet more of the world to your genius for new terminology (something I’m sure you will agree we all need more of)?

Why not choose a name already well chosen for you? After all, as all marketeers would advise, swim with the tide whenever you can. Why not rebrand yourself “Gender-Raunch Guy”?

I have no doubt readers here will suggest excellent outside-underpants, cape and color scheme to match. Perhaps you may even star as an inflatable doll. All publicity is good publicity no?

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Avenger March 9, 2012 at 18:54

Kinda lets you know where their priorities are.

Not only their priorities but their motives just like the ACLU their sister organisation. Ever notice that the ACLU will take cases like a Nazi’s right to hold a rally or something like that? Of course there are no real Nazis around and this is just some wacko and one or two of his wacko friends or people pretending to be nazis. If you just ignored them people would not even notice a couple of people handing out some junk pamphlets and they’d go home after a while. But the ACLU makes a big deal over these things and gets publicity so when the day of the “rally” comes the two wackos with their pamphlets show up along with 2000 Jews with baseball bats screaming “antisemitism”
There’s an agenda here so don’t be so naive.

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durandal March 9, 2012 at 19:31

Exporting feminism via NGOs and state sponsored policies is simply another means to consolidate control over a foreign (or domestic) nation by disenfranchising husbands and fathers. What better way of employing the divide-and-conquer strategy than in the patriarchal family unit itself? Sadly, American men are coming back from Pyrrhic victory in the war zone to realize that they’ve already defeated on the home front.

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Rocco March 9, 2012 at 19:38

Maybe this is why the feminist Kafkaesuqe civil rights groups are hate groups as long as their male diatribe and I think legal threat is more likely to be the success SAVE and the MRM is having eroding funding them, the VAWA.

Also from the National Coalition of Free Men:

http://ncfm.org/2012/03/news/domestic-abuse-violence/from-its-inception-to-its-essence-vawa-is-the-fraud-of-the-millennia-and-must-be-repealed/

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Rocco March 9, 2012 at 19:42

@ Pierce

That’s a great idea, Gender-Raunch Guy can quel the slut walk hordes invading our cities!

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MRA March 9, 2012 at 20:04

Ok, answer this please:

-If women in these places are so oppressed and slaved HOW do they live longer than men?

-If they are so ignored by the state and government HOW do they are more healthy than OUR liberated, empowered and independent women?
(Breast cancer is rare in Middle East women)

-If family is so enslave for women WHY do they keep doing the same thing when they live in western countries where nobody is gonna call her attention for doing something no traditional for them?

-If women are the greatest victim in war WHY MEN are the ones on the streets lying dead by dozen?

These and other questions have a very MRA answers and we all know them.

Femisformation

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Uncle Elmer March 9, 2012 at 20:35

The SPLC Award may be the best thing to hit the The-Spearhead.

I’ll bet Price is crafting his acceptance speech right now.

This will propel The-Spearhead into high prominence over the next few weeks as “serious” writers from put their spin on it and “MRA Hate Sites” becomes the new concern meme. All the TV Model/Spokepeople will have special segments to educate the public on this threat : “That’s right Jen, it’s a shadowy, loose-knit coalition of internet hate groups masquerading as men’s civic booster clubs…operating right in our midst…targeting lonely and vulnerable women and girls…so we went undercover to find out how they operate…and were shocked to find out the size of this extensive network…dozens of cities across the U.S…and Canada and Europe too…possible white supremecist ties…some near elementary schools…as this hidden camera footage clearly shows…attempting to indoctrinate young men to avoid marriage..racist overtones…and shocking membership rituals code-named “Game”….all while operating under the guise of free speech…some are saying it’s only a matter of time before some mentally disturbed person…”

Perhaps it will get mention in the eagerly anticipated Obiden-Romtorum debates. Question “Do you think the government should shut down The MRA Hate Sites?”. Or maybe there will be congressional hearings.

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AAvictim March 9, 2012 at 21:35

Just like Paul MSM will ignore MRM and then redicule when it is popular enough.

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American March 9, 2012 at 21:58

It seems a few guys here have a hard on about me using the term “Gender-Raunch”
To me, it seems there is nothing more accurate in describing the Neo gender-feminist movement, and its people.
Gender, comes from the distiction that Modern feminists give themselves, they call themselves “gender-feminists” as opposed to the “Equality feminists” of 30 years ago.
Raunch, comes from the book that ariel Levy describes as “Raunch culture feminism”.
Quite simple and quite accurate.

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American March 9, 2012 at 22:07

The term “Gender-Raunch” fits like a glove, and its a simple way to describe that modern Gender; Gender-Raunch feminism…Isn’t yer mothers feminism of 30 years ago.

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American March 9, 2012 at 22:33

Hey piercedhead and Rocco, maybe i will put together a Gender-Raunch guy costume and do a you tube video for ya.

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evilwhitemalempire March 9, 2012 at 22:35

It’s a terrible irony that sees them crushed under the very same feminist system they were fighting to put in place in a foreign country half way across the world.
**************

tell this to every married servicemen you see:

why are you fighting for the right for females in 3rd world countries to leave their men?

why are you (ultimately) fighting for the rights of females to do to their men what your wife may well do to you while you’re gone?

you use night vision, drones, etc. to kill men who have a whole lot more in common with you than you think

the western military is no place for real men these days

do not think for one second that it’s a coincidence that we fight countries that fight feminism

also do not think for a second that ‘rights’ for females is merely a pretense to go to war for profit, oil, etc
it may well even be the other way around. greed the pretense for feminism

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Höllenhund March 9, 2012 at 22:36

@Charles Martel 12:48

It’s just common sense, not ’tough guy talk’ (whatever that is supposed to mean). You don’t try to appease people who believe that your point of view is unjustifiable, that you’re their ideological enemy. It makes no sense whatsoever. Do you actually believe the reason the $PLC targeted these websites for persecution – after all, that’s their ultimate aim – is because of the TONE of their writings? BS. It’s their MESSAGE – namely the opposition to feminism. The only way Alcuin, Ferdinand, Roosh etc could ’redeem’ themselves and become acceptable to the $PLC is by issuing an apology for opposing feminism and deleting their blogs.

And all claims of ’free speech’ being protected while ’incitement to violence’ not being protected are BS. Radical feminists have been promoting persecution and violence against men for decades and nobody lifted a finger to ban them, whereas opponents of the multiculturalist feminist status quo are routinely punished with job loss, censorship etc for simply voicing their opposition.

And no, this isn’t a propaganda war. It’s a war of actions – preventing feminist women and their male lackeys from taking out their man-hatred on others, educating men so that they’re capable of self-preservation and going their own way, avoiding Marriage 2.0.

In short, you’re unfortunately dead wrong.

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evilwhitemalempire March 9, 2012 at 23:00

doclove
Any feminism is not possible without the technology to support it.
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yes, and technology has done a much better job of outbiding male provider/protectorship than it has at replacing female reproductive value

that’s partly the reason the balance of power between the sexes is as it is

this is a crucial thing. the males make the machines but the females (by no credit of their minds) make the highly advanced machines (us) that make the machines

until a way is made that will allow those advanced machines to be made without the females then the cycle is dependent on the females.

other mammals could be conscripted as surrogates in lieu of fully artificial wombs

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piercedhead March 9, 2012 at 23:21

“Hey piercedhead and Rocco, maybe i will put together a Gender-Raunch guy costume and do a you tube video for ya.”

By all means.

But don’t favor just us. Share your creation with all here.

p.s. a word of advice. Steer clear of black and yellow, flying night mammal imagery, pointy ears and a side-kick named Robin. The batman identity is already spoken for – best not start a needless turf war.

pps. best not develop too deeply the “Sheepman” identity either.

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American March 9, 2012 at 23:30

Piercedhead, somehow you maintain the belief that Im the only one in the mens rights sphere that uses the Term “gender-Raunch”.
I admit, i do like the term, and use it quite often because of its effective descriptive capacity, but I’m by no means the only one that uses the term. (if you believe Im the only one that uses the term, yer just not paying attention, or are simply willfully ignorant and seeing what you want to see. In fact, I picked up the term by reading mens rights websites, and happen to use it frequently because its quite accurate in its descriptive capacity.
When you go on about fame seeking, inmmortality, ect, ect, i do find it somewhat bizzare, but whatever you know, i just roll with it.

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migu March 9, 2012 at 23:45

What doclove relates is accurate.

Sounds exactly like the stories coming out of the 47th FSB.

The 40th EN BN, my unit, Had a few as well. Not quite as many, as we were mostly bachelors, and the married men were on 20 years.

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American March 9, 2012 at 23:57

piercedhead, Im trying to think who i picked up the term “gender-Raunch” from, to help you in yer crusade to trackdown who coined the term, and try and shame them into not using the term anymore.
Maybe it was Uncle Bern??? Or was it Keyster???

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evilwhitemalempire March 10, 2012 at 00:06

Jennifer March 9, 2012 at 14:19
Peace and order, Anon 69? Like the Middle East, where many men in fact have out of control sexuality? Not so much.

************

oh, so rape is all about sex again?

about a year ago man tits enlightened me that rape and sex didn’t have anything to do with one another. (that it was all about power)

perhaps it alternates.
every odd year rape is all about power.
even year sex

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evilwhitemalempire March 10, 2012 at 00:11

This issue just shows that absolute power corrupts absolutely, over here or over there.

************

well, that’s just like, WAY over our heads here. better watch out, she’s been watching star trek

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evilwhitemalempire March 10, 2012 at 00:21

oh, and keyster. about that splc link

are you trying to turn us all to stone?

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Ted March 10, 2012 at 00:53

@American March 9, 2012 at 23:57

“Im trying to think who i picked up the term “gender-Raunch” from, to help you in yer crusade to trackdown who coined the term, ”

What interests me is: from whom did you pick up yer spelling of “your” ?

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American March 10, 2012 at 03:47

OK, OK, Ive had enough, you guys have shamed me into never, ever using the term “Gender-Raunch” to charecterise Modern Gender-Raunch feminism again.
Seeing down vote, after downvote, after downvote, after downvote is enough to break even the strongest on mens wills.

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Avenger March 10, 2012 at 05:16

‘I really hated when our leadership stated that the family suffered more staying at home than we did deploying because they were worrying while we were doing our work’

Nothing new about that. Ever see the film “The Best Years Of Our Lives”? Yu probably know the story but remember the pilot’s wife? The pilot (Dana Andrews) wasn’t much in civilian life, a typical omega type working as a soda jerk in a drugstore but in the army air force he rose in rank and was a pilot or gunner But after he was discharged he was back to being a soda jerk and again not very important as he was in the air force. Anyway when he gets home his wife isn’t there to meet him so he goes over to see his father who isn’t saying very much. He goes back to his place and the wife eventually shows up but you can see she’s not very happy to stay home with him. Apparently she had been going to nightclubs and whoring around while he was risking his life in burning planes etc and was having flashbacks and nightmares. She still wanted to go out and in fact some guy comes by t take her out. Later they have a fight and she says to Andrews,”I gave you the best years of my life” hahaha

The Man In The Grey Flannel Suit- Gregory Peck was a captain the army and after he returns home he marries his girlfriend. I think he was a professor or something like that but the wife is always pushing him to make more money in advertising and hold out for $10k salary(like about $120k or so in today’s money) He gets the job but one day as he’s leaving he meets his sargeant working as the elevator operator and they meet after work. The sargeant tells him he married Gina a girl he met in Italy and that her cousin who Peck had been shagging has a kid and asks Peck if he could send her something because it was a bit hard after the war. He shows Peck a pic of her and the kid and Peck could see it was his son so decides to send her some money. Well, he has to tell his wife about it and she goes berserk. Was she better loking than me, did she have a better figure, I was worryiing while you were gone blah blah blah(she was only a gf when his was away and her “worrying “was done playing bridge at the country club while Peck didn’t know if he’d be alive from one day to another)Peck would get flashbacks to the war too sometimes like where he was trying to get a friend to the field hospital(the guy was dead) and he wouldn’t put him down until a medic along the way got him to put the body down and siad he’ll take careof him.
Anyway, it really shows how females think and what they consider important.

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Hf March 10, 2012 at 08:46

@doclove

Well said, sir. And thank you very much for your service.

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Still March 10, 2012 at 15:02

Ignore the world-view of Islam at your own peril. It’s the closest you can get to a radical detox — individually and societally.

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Guest March 10, 2012 at 16:10

Since we are talking about 1) Afghanistan 2) women’s rights in afghanistan 3) men’s rights. I want to know this, please answer:

Is it true that in afghanistan they marry little girls?

This is against all male virtues and values correct? No real man would marry a little girl. It is pro-feminist to do so. It is manly to wipe them and that practice out. Correct?

I need the answer..

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Boxer March 11, 2012 at 13:08

Dear Guest:

This is against all male virtues and values correct? No real man would marry a little girl. It is pro-feminist to do so. It is manly to wipe them and that practice out. Correct? I need the answer..

There is a regular contributor to the-spearhead named “Keyster” who has boasted of “dating” a 14-year old little child, when he himself was 25. He got several dozen upvotes. In the past, “Firepower” and “Charles Martel” have gone to great lengths to support this degenerate.

So, you see, asking your question (cogent though it is) here is complicated. A great variety of men come to this blog with all sorts of motivations. Some, like the three listed above, are life’s failures, looking for some outward excuse to blame their own sorry circumstances upon. These are not properly designated “men”, except insofar as psychological cripples can wear that designation: perhaps as what they would become, were their pitiful circumstances different.

I don’t think any healthy man would look at girls down at the junior high school as sexual conquests, as Keyster has boasted of doing, but many sick men would. The phenomenon of “dating” or “marrying” undeveloped children reveals a deeply broken psyche and a whole helluvalot of problems, be they expressed in an individual, or writ large upon a society in the collective values of the same.

Regards, Boxer

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DevilDog March 11, 2012 at 21:14

Just in case you guys didn’t know, it’s gotten worse in Afghanistan. The Taliban died out for awhile, now is making a HUGE resurgence. America is NOT going to conquer the land.

Mark my words, America will leave Afghanistan and the land will be the same as it was before. It’s a land that’s been ravaged by war for a long, long time now.

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Boxer March 11, 2012 at 21:53

Hey Devil Dog:

Mark my words, America will leave Afghanistan and the land will be the same as it was before. It’s a land that’s been ravaged by war for a long, long time now.

I talk to a lot of front line veterans who have served there. There’s a strange conspiracy theory that gets passed around sometimes. Many feel that the conservatives in the USA were deliberately trying to kill, maim and psychologically cripple this generation of young boys and men, so that they would not be able to function coherently as a rival to the bankers who are currently strip-mining the economy.

Basically, the wealthy in the USA, UK, Canada, etc. were trying to selectively cull the best and strongest men who may have challenged them militarily, by sending them through the meatgrinder in central Asia. I don’t know if I buy that myself (I don’t think the super rich are smart enough to warrant that kind of credit, for one thing), but it’s interesting to hear it coming from the boys who have returned from the fighting.

In any event, it’s a shame that any of the boys and men from North America or the UK ever went over there, to serve the load of traitors and do-nothings who ostensibly call the shots in our bankrupt societies.

Regards, Boxer

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SMC March 12, 2012 at 03:44

>i>
Being practical we judge ourselves by tangible things like our [western] economic success; as western societies the strength of our economies is inevitably proof that our way of life is also in some real sense superior.

The above is important to understand.

It is akin to “most men –especially conservatives– are conformists”: they conform to the “common wisdom” (which is the liberal agenda of a generation ago).

Focus on female bad behavior as inevitable (for bio deterministic reasons) in our western system. Ie promiscuity, cheating, bad child-rearing & “fetal _x_ syndromes”, emboldened physical violence.

Though, most males won’t understand UNTIL it happens to them. Ie most don’t do abstraction (that’s why democracy must be prevented).

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SMC March 12, 2012 at 03:44


Being practical we judge ourselves by tangible things like our [western] economic success; as western societies the strength of our economies is inevitably proof that our way of life is also in some real sense superior.

The above is important to understand.

It is akin to “most men –especially conservatives– are conformists”: they conform to the “common wisdom” (which is the liberal agenda of a generation ago).

Focus on female bad behavior as inevitable (for bio deterministic reasons) in our western system. Ie promiscuity, cheating, bad child-rearing & “fetal _x_ syndromes”, emboldened physical violence.

Though, most males won’t understand UNTIL it happens to them. Ie most don’t do abstraction (that’s why democracy must be prevented).

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SMC March 12, 2012 at 03:53

“This is a battle of words, a propaganda war. Anyone who takes it beyond that or encourages someone else to go beyond that is an idiot.”

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For now…

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bruno March 13, 2012 at 16:40

“the deceased soldier’s wife received the Soldier’s Government Life Insurance, SGLI, of 800,000 U.S. dollars for dead Soldiers killed in a war zone”

and that’s why those wives are sitting on their knees every night praying: “Ooh God, let him get killed, please let him get killed”

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Bryan March 22, 2012 at 23:16

Keyster-

Shit man! You posted that link without a warning!

It should have had a warning!

http://www.splcenter.org/who-we-are/staff/heidi-beirich-phd

I’m going to have nightmares now!

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