The Few, The Proud

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by W.F. Price on February 27, 2012

Sometimes, when you see how things have changed, you’ve just got to have a good laugh. What I wonder is how the recruiters are going to get around this one.

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dragnet February 27, 2012 at 13:44

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Andrew February 27, 2012 at 13:53

Are you talking about this?:

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Gay_Marine_homecoming_picture.html

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Days of Broken Arrows February 27, 2012 at 14:02

Around what? There is no link and no pic. What are you talking about?

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Kevin February 27, 2012 at 14:11

He’s talking about the Marine Corps. incase you couldn’t figure it out yourselves, and he’s making a pun about how it isn’t possible to give something to men when society itself doesn’t have any. One of their ethos is honor, courage, commitment.

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W.F. Price February 27, 2012 at 14:16

Around what? There is no link and no pic. What are you talking about?

-DoBA

Fixed. link typo.

W.F. Price February 27, 2012 at 14:17

He’s talking about the Marine Corps. incase you couldn’t figure it out yourselves, and he’s making a pun about how it isn’t possible to give something to men when society itself doesn’t have any. One of their ethos is honor, courage, commitment.

-Kevin

That would be a good one, but actually I just didn’t copy the full link.

Art Vandelay February 27, 2012 at 14:25

Yeah, that’s pretty gay.

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Oddsock February 27, 2012 at 14:29

Good grief!!!

Hopefully the photo and story is a set up, a fake !

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greyghost February 27, 2012 at 14:33

Fuck!
That shit is embaressing,but I knew them homosexuals were going to start doing that shit as soon as they got the law changed. There was a couple of women pulling that shit coming off a navy ship.

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Boxer February 27, 2012 at 14:48

I’m sure I’ll take a bunch of shit for pointing this out, but I’d far rather have two gay dudes on my side than a chick.

While I don’t swing this way myself, I see absolutely nothing wrong with gay MEN serving in the armed forces, and there’s plenty of historical precedent for gay male heroism and soldiery … A contributor to the spearhead (Jack Donovan) wrote a book called Androphilia which referenced this, IIRC.

With this in mind, I don’t see the problem. If I were looking for someone to fight alongside, I’d choose the gay dude over the woman, every time.

Regards, Boxer

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Oddsock February 27, 2012 at 14:53

We are doomed I tell yer doomed !

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W.F. Price February 27, 2012 at 14:57

I’m sure I’ll take a bunch of shit for pointing this out, but I’d far rather have two gay dudes on my side than a chick.

While I don’t swing this way myself, I see absolutely nothing wrong with gay MEN serving in the armed forces, and there’s plenty of historical precedent for gay male heroism and soldiery … A contributor to the spearhead (Jack Donovan) wrote a book called Androphilia which referenced this, IIRC.

With this in mind, I don’t see the problem. If I were looking for someone to fight alongside, I’d choose the gay dude over the woman, every time.

Regards, Boxer

-Boxer

Yeah, homosexuals in the military is nothing new. I’ve got no problem with it. BUT, impressions matter — a lot. We can’t pretend that this kind of display won’t have consequences for the USMC, which draws recruits from a particular segment of society that doesn’t have the highest regard for this sort of behavior. Or, perhaps the urbane SWPLs who support an “out-and-proud” military want to join up themselves and rush into heavy combat? Yeah, sure they do…

Boxer February 27, 2012 at 14:58

Dear Oddsock:

You’re never afraid to say what you think, so I gotta ask:

We are doomed I tell yer doomed !

How so?

I’ve written about this on other sites, but the fellas I work out with at the gym (mostly gay dudes) are the only people I can come fully “out of the MGTOW closet” around. They’re the only men I know, besides people here on the internet (who I don’t really know) who don’t buy (at least partially) female nonsense, who don’t judge me when I say I won’t marry some bitch and serve her for the rest of my life, and who accept me for a dude that goes his own way.

Sure, I’d find what they do after hours distasteful, as I’m sure they’d find my exploits with chicks similarly not to their particular standards, but that really isn’t an issue.

Gay dudes tend not to be enraptured by the possibility of sex with women, and I’ve learned much in the ways of masculinity from their examples, as I’ve learned a lot here.

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Jiu Jitsu Maniac February 27, 2012 at 15:06

I’m fine with gays serving, cause I sure as hell don’t want to be in the military so someone has to protect our ass.

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Boxer February 27, 2012 at 15:13

Dear Bill:

Thanks for the response. You wrote:

We can’t pretend that this kind of display won’t have consequences for the USMC, which draws recruits from a particular segment of society that doesn’t have the highest regard for this sort of behavior. Or, perhaps the urbane SWPLs who support an “out-and-proud” military want to join up themselves and rush into heavy combat? Yeah, sure they do…

With respect, I think the people you imagine the USMC ought to appeal to, i.e. people who waste time worrying about gay men, really don’t matter that much. Most of the homophobes I know consist of white trash and black trash men who are the children of single moms, the classic woman-worshiping mangina type males who think that it is their duty to please women.

On a broader level, I find the gay-straight pseudo-conflict to be another tactic used by the enemies of men to weaken male solidarity. The only people who have ever accused me of being gay or implied that I was gay were women who wanted me to do something, and used the possibility of gayness to “shame” me into being their servants. Women seem to instinctively know that a man who does not fall down in worship to a vagina must be a homosexual.

Incidentally, it took me far too long to see through this sham. I used to have the appropriate reaction. Now I don’t really care if a woman uses the “you must be gay cuz you don’t do what I say” card. When I finally put this together I realized how threatening it must actually be for women to have this population of people around — men who think for themselves and don’t give a shit what women think about them.

Regards, Boxer

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Rocco February 27, 2012 at 15:18

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Oddsock February 27, 2012 at 15:26

Boxer

My point is simply based on knowing the power of perception. Forget the military, just look at the incredible influence of advertising, globally. You’re a smart guy, I am sure you don’t need me to explain the comparison and effect.

Not that I want to get into a dick waving contest but I suggest you watch the video below. It may help you understand my point?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Cjl81QIlo

Now watch this one and ask yourself who would put the fear of god in you should you have to face them in battle or on a sports field ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC_sCkDOE4Q

My apologies to you Americans. No offence intended, just tuning in Boxer.

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Charles Martel February 27, 2012 at 15:33

It’s the fact that he’s off the ground with his legs wrapped around “Daddy” that’s so repulsive. This image is the polar opposite of the masculine martial ideal; has probably cost the Marine Corps a thousand recruits.

“Decadence is a moral and spiritual disease, resulting from too long a period of wealth and power, producing cynicism, decline of religion, pessimism and frivolity. The citizens of such a nation will no longer make an effort to save themselves, because they are not convinced that anything in life is worth saving.”…….Sir John Bagot Glubb

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poochmule February 27, 2012 at 15:34

Obviously, I am partial to football players, but both Rugby and Football have Superb Athletes. The games are different and the games are similar, but neither can say they are superior… IF I HAVE to pick ONE…
I go FOOTBALL!

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Boxer February 27, 2012 at 15:35

Dear Oddsock:

I hate to make any arguments that glorify the current wars the US, UK, Canada, etc. are participating in. I don’t think any of our boys (gay, straight or celibate) should be put in harms way. All that aside…

The gay US Marine in the photo above is a highly trained naval infantryman. This means he could beat my ass, your ass and probably 95% of the rest of the readers on this forum in any fair fight, anywhere, any time. I doubt he acts like anyone on the cast of Glee when he’s in his private or professional life. That photo was taken after he’d spent time getting shot at, abused and nearly killed, so he’s glad to see his partner and I’m inclined to forgive the PDA (as I’d be inclined to forgive a straight brother for the same thing). I haven’t ever been to war, don’t know what it’s like, don’t want to know, and when the shit hits the fan right here in North America I’ll hope that that fellow is on my side in the hostilities and not the other side, regardless of whatever he indulges in off hours.

Incidentally, one of my best friends in the USA is a rugby player. They have teams here (in Canada we don’t have anything like it). There’s also an openly androphilic (gay) all-black.
http://nz.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100601223653AAWG5T9

Gay dudes are dudes, and really that’s my standard for people I want on my side. I don’t care if a dude likes chicks (provided he puts them in context) or dudes, or likes Italian or Chinese food. I’m on the side of men. Subdividing ourselves into a zillion tiny camps which fight among ourselves is what got us into this mess. End of.

Regards, Boxer

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Boxer February 27, 2012 at 15:42

Dear Oddsock:

I just typed out a long post and hit submit, and it appears to have vanished.

Anyway, I doubt this fellow is acting like a Glee cast member. He’s a naval infantryman, and can kick the ass of me and I’d wager 95 percent of anyone else on this site in any fair fight. He just got back from getting shot at, and is excited to see his partner. I’ve never been to war, don’t know what it’s like, and am inclined to forgive him his PDA (much the same as I’d forgive it from a straight brother in the same situation).

Being gay does not equate to being a woman, and dividing ourselves into a bunch of small camps for infighting purposes is silly, much like the white power crowd who wants to excuse white women and blame black men for all society’s ills, and who only obfuscates when they’re called out here.

Incidentally: One of the all-blacks is openly gay. I doubt he acts like he’s on Glee in his private and professional life too.
http://nz.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100601223653AAWG5T9

Regards, Boxer

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dragnet February 27, 2012 at 15:52

Agree wholeheartedly with Boxer on this. I weighed in on the gay issue over at Roissy’s awhile back:

“What 12-year old boy would choose to be bullied, ridiculed and called a faggot? It’s just absurd on its face. Besides, homosexual mating behaviors have been observed in nearly 1500 species, many of them vertebrate mammals so I really don’t see why it’s all that weird that a small percentage of humans would also be born gay.

The truth is that women view ALL men in utilitarian terms. We are ALL expendable (except the alphas) for all they care. As far as I’m concerned, when it comes to gender relations gay & straight men would be on the same team if the homos hadn’t formed a (somewhat understandable but nonetheless disastrous) cultural alliance with institutional feminism.”

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/a-fathers-question/#comment-256317

Regarding the military, I really see no reason gays shouldn’t be allowed to serve openly. Gay men have served alongside straight men going back as far as ancient Greece. I definitely think our military is going to have a tougher time recruiting people because of stuff like this—not only because gays are serving openly but because pictures like this are the kind of ridiculous exhibitionism that runs counter to the masculine values that are supposed suffuse a fighting force. And, yeah, it does gross me out to see two guys kissing—even as I favor allowing gays to form civil marriages.

Aside from all this, gay men have a lot to teach us about how to deal with women, if we’re willing to watch and learn. They are completely outcome independent with regards to women and tend to neg them in a very playfully dominant way. There are lessons there if we are willing to learn them.

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bruno February 27, 2012 at 16:22

Gays have no idea how happy they were.
I say “were”, because now they can be married too.

It’s paradise lost for them now, and they have only themselves to blame.

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Anti Idiocy February 27, 2012 at 16:23

@dragnet
“when it comes to gender relations gay & straight men would be on the same team if the homos hadn’t formed a (somewhat understandable but nonetheless disastrous) cultural alliance with institutional feminism.”

Arguably the slickest and most effective move of feminists half a century ago was allying themselves with the legitimate civil rights movements of blacks and gays. To this day, that remains the biggest obstacle to the general uniting of men.

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greyghost February 27, 2012 at 16:28

like you said dragnet gay men can and haved served as men. That display was pure political fuck you. It is stuff like that that causes the ban on homosexuality. As a blue pill guy to condone this kind of thing goes against sustainable civilization. (everyone can’t be gay) But a strong civil society can carry. As a red pill bring it on trash the military, trash marriage (as if it wasn’t already gone) I think we need more gay leader ship in our christian churches. (they aren’t really christian but houses of feminist whoreship) yeah I said whore. Welmer is not being anti gay he is just showing reality. To dismiss that photo and it’s negative over tones towards the marines has homophobia is no different than the feminist claim of any male sexuality as rape culture. All PC bullshit.

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bruno February 27, 2012 at 16:29

Now that they can be married, the one with the lowest income will start to pressure the other one into marriage.

Soon the name “gay” will sound like a cruel joke.

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Ryu February 27, 2012 at 16:35

The military will get no pity from me.

They wanted diversity. Begged for it. Well, now you’ve got it. Affirmative action, feminism and homosexuality. Let’s see what the butt boys, dykes and gangster thugs can do.

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Oddsock February 27, 2012 at 16:42

Greyghost

Wow, that’s quite an interesting view/idea. I mean, I agree with you on the purpose of the photo and its intended effect. The part I find interesting is how it could be encouraged to bring about the demise of the military. Actually, your thoughts are similar to the idea that we need more feminism not less. Fighting feminism is just dragging out the death spiral of society much longer than needed.

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keyster February 27, 2012 at 16:43

The military is no place for lust, whether it’s with a woman or another man. It creates distractions and affects morale. This is why male and female quarters are seperate. Now with gays out and proud, how do you seperate them? You can’t put them with women and you can’t put them with each other!

This is our government cow-towing to the vociferous Gay Rights gang. If you’re a gay white male in America, you’re a member of a “protected class”. If you’re just a white male, you’re an oppressor, a member of the “privilaged class”.

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Oddsock February 27, 2012 at 16:50

Ahh feck it, we are all doomed anyway. I am gonna get one of those sex change ops become lesbian and marry Angry Izzy me inflatable sheep in one of those same sex civil ceremony weddings.

That will confuse the shit out of them at the census records office.

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Anon February 27, 2012 at 17:03

As said above, the problem is how he jumped up and wrapped his arms around his big daddy – not very marine-like. It would seem every bit as weird if a straight marine did that with his wife. Now, if the marine was the big guy standing there and his boyfriend waiting at home was the little guy who jumped up on him, I’d be cool with it.

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Cynical Youth February 27, 2012 at 17:07

The entire issue of gays in the military really is ultimately much deeper than issues of morality or the law and isn’t something to really be reduced to some sort of national spectacle. Its really about the ability of homosexuals to integrate effectively in the military. Its an issue regarding whether or not the regular soldiers can put their trust in and the ability of homosexual soldiers to adhere to the overall standards of conduct and effectiveness all sodiers in the group and the broader orginization are expected to adhere to.

Let’s remember, trust and group cohesion are paramount in the military in a way that many of us civilians can’t truly understand. If this picture were to somehow bring a LOT of public attention to the unit or even the Military as a whole or if the Marine’s actions were to cause serious trust problems among his unit, I in all good conscious couldn’t defend the actions of the homosexual soldier, even if I do support homosexual men in the military in principle.

Some issues are ultimately a lot deeper than legal rights and morality. I realize that I’M not the one putting his life on the line and that I am not in a place to seriously discuss the effects of his conduct. I’m thankfull I have enough self-inspection and humility to understand this. Too bad most of the general public doesn’t.

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Suz February 27, 2012 at 17:18
V10 February 27, 2012 at 17:26

I can only speculate and infer based on conversations I’ve had with my own friends who have served. But the impression I get is that most troops don’t have a major issue with gays serving, either openly or DADT, so long as they pull their weight.

It’s when a gay (or for that matter, a woman or some other politically protected class) wants to shove it in everyone’s face and be a drama queen about it, that the squad starts taking genuine offense at their presence.

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Bizzman662 February 27, 2012 at 17:47

Can you imagine that fella in battle?

Those “Code Pink” ladies should be proud.

BTW…..I think the Marine is the Bottom and the big Fella is the top.

Just a guess.

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continent February 27, 2012 at 17:55

How is plan to cut healthcare going to help recruiting (Drudge)
http://freebeacon.com/trashing-tricare/

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Rebel February 27, 2012 at 18:15

It is hard to imagine more masculine men than the Spartans of old.

Who hasn’t seen the movie “the 300″? The Spartans beat the shit out of the Persians. Actually, they beat the shit out of everybody until they were killed to the last one. They called their society: “The perfect society”.

Nevertheless, in Sparta, ALL MEN were homosexuals.
I mean : every single one of them.

And the women were mostly lesbians. (Lesbos, being a Greek island, it shouldn’t come as a surprise..)

They were forced to marry before they reached the age of 26 or shamed by all the women in the city.

Some of those warriors had had so little to no relationships with women that, during their wedding night, they had to be “pumped into vigor” by their fellow men.

In anciant Greece, homosexuality was seen as absolutely normal and sane, same as paedophilia (boys had to be at least 12 years old, though, while in Sparta, it was 7).

And yet, the Greeks invented democracy.

I am neither in favor nor against this: quite on the contrary… (lol!!)

Just keep in mind that gays nowadays are the ONLY group of men who enjoy some kind of protection: heteros have NONE: heteros have a target painted on their chest, just where the heart is. You can shoot and kill a hetero. Speak badly about a gay and go to jail…
Is there something we haven’t learned?

Food for thoughts…

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WayWest February 27, 2012 at 18:15

I don’t see what the big deal is. Divide and conquer: that is what the government and feminist want for men. It’s working. Leave the guy alone.

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Jean Valjean February 27, 2012 at 18:30

Good for them. If I could be in love with a man life would be a lot simpler.

I’m just not wired that way. But more power to them.

We need more man love in world of all kinds.

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greyghost February 27, 2012 at 18:38

what the hell is DADT

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Charles Martel February 27, 2012 at 19:11

Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.

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MRA February 27, 2012 at 19:28

For these talking about the lesbian kiss, what a coincidence the lottery the NAVY runs was won by a attractive lesbian couple hot enough to get a lot of attention, 2 women and we all know lesbianism always has been more accepted in society that gay men.

I mean just imagine the first kiss by these 2 couples, of course they won’t gain the same attention…
http://expectationsreality.com/post/3809107361/lesbians

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3DShooter February 27, 2012 at 19:37

I have to admit my first impression was WTF! But I agree with the sentiment of some of the others – if I had my butt in a sling I’d rather have to rely on the gay dude than a woman.

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Charles Martel February 27, 2012 at 19:38

Rebel
Nevertheless, in Sparta, ALL MEN were homosexuals.
I mean : every single one of them.

This does seem to be the conventional view. I don’t really buy it. Sexual behavior is more biologically driven than cultural and human biology has not changed. I’m no historian but if you Google around you can find references to the origins of the Spartan homosexuality myth. It appears to originate with a number of 19th century homosexual English academics who promoted the idea that pederasty was widespread in Greek classical culture.

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American February 27, 2012 at 20:17

The problem lies with military Gender-Raunch making hetero-sexual men in the military, second class citizens, or better yet “Un-protected”.
Its the US military “Gender-Raunch community” that enable girls in the military who were late for drill because they were out drinking, to claim “Rape”, and ruin a hetero-males military career.

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American February 27, 2012 at 20:20

Will America be the first Nation in a thousand years to “Break Hetero-dominance”, and what will this look like??

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American February 27, 2012 at 20:32

Hetero-males are allready being purged from fat state and federal jobs, and from academia. As hetero-dominance is further broken, will there then be quotas for the hiring of hetero-males who have children to feed???

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Charles Martel February 27, 2012 at 20:34

American
The problem lies with military Gender-Raunch making hetero-sexual men in the military, second class citizens, or better yet “Un-protected”.

That’s what I find so troubling about the image above. In addition to it being a disgusting and inappropriate public display, Sgt. Brandon Morgan is a farking celebrity for doing something that a thousand heterosexual servicemen do every day with zero attention. You can’t run an effective military where the chain of command is subverted by multiple protected classes.

It’s just as well there are no actual wars to fight.

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American February 27, 2012 at 20:35

Or will the coming US “hetero-underclass” have to steal to feed their children??

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American February 27, 2012 at 20:50

Because of the perversions to American law enforcement, being hetero-sexual in America, and being in a relationship with a women, has become a serious legal liability for men in the US.
How long before men find its such a legal liability to be “hetero” that they join the “Break hetero-dominance” campaign??

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Rebel February 27, 2012 at 20:55

@Charles Martel:

I’m no historian either: only an amateur.

Here is where I took my references:

http://www.fulvuedrive-in.com/review/1486/Spartans+PBS+

This one is part of my (large) collection of history DVD’s.

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Ron February 27, 2012 at 21:07

Homosexuality in the military is not bad because it degrades their martial ability but because homosexuals cannot be trusted with that level of power. An a pro-gay military will have no real moral restraints as would any group of men who do not have the constraints of family. Consider: a man is in the field, it would be illegal but extremely convenient for him to drop phosperous on the children of the village in front of him. A man knows other men are likely to forgive him if the matter comes to light, but he does not want his women and children, and more importantly, the female friends of his woman to know of this. That social pressure can give hin a moment of pause.

The greeks and romans fielded armies that were very pro homosexuality, they also butchereed their way through Europe and the mediteranean and enslaved millions of people. The Germans were the first modern army ti adopt that policy, and they adopted it for precisely the above reason with the same resukts. While normal grunts were punished for homosexuality, the officer corps expected it, especially in SS if one wished to advance.

I would never willingly join an army that encouraged gay troops as I know that army would be extremely brutal and vicious regardless of what face they put on.

This pro-gay army has honorable proponents but it also has proponents who are pushing it because they wish to create an incredibly brutal and viscious tool of State. I know most of you will not accept what I am writing, but at least you will be able to recognize and understand the truth later, when it becomes obvious.

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Boxer February 27, 2012 at 21:10

Dear Rebel:

Thanks for the PBS video reference. It’s on my short list. Not to bore you, but this is my favourite reference for the widespread existence of homosexuals in all aspects of Greek society.

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/symposium.html

Anyone who doubts that there were significant numbers of gay males in old Attica (and Sparta too) and that they were accepted seamlessly into Greek society, well, simply hasn’t read very much.

Someone here (I’d give credit if I could remember who it was) equated feminists with Victorian era prudishness and hatred of sexuality, and I thought that was an accurate and insightful analogy. Of course feminists like sex, but only the type of sex they want: as a commodified act with a woman as the material beneficiary. Too many gay men equates to not as many women getting the money and attention from men that they feel they deserve. Far from being allied with gay men, feminists have been their foremost enemies since the earliest days up to the present.

Most healthy men don’t care about what other men do, they care about what they do. When I see a man who is endlessly screeching about homosexuality, I wonder why he cares enough to waste time worrying about what some other brother is doing in private. Either he’s obsessed with the act because it’s some sort of repressed desire, or he is making a show of allegiance to the vagina cartel, those who he feels should have the final say in regulating every sex act, passing their insolent judgment upon it.

It’s true that gay bros indulge in things I find off-putting, but then lots of straight dudes have fetishes for fat chicks, feet, dressing up in costumes, and BSDM type stuff that I find off putting too. To each his own…

Boxer

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American February 27, 2012 at 21:14

Quack-ademics who dominate American universities have become campus superpowers by saying “Violence is patriarchy”, when in fact statistics show violence is the absense of patriarchy.

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piercedhead February 27, 2012 at 21:17

@Gender-Raunch/Pork-Bloat Guy

Most of us here have more serious interests than your personal crusade to use thie site to promote your favorite buzz-words.

If you must engage in this undignified egotism, why not try your luck on feminist websites?

At least if you did that, we wouldn’t suspect you of trying to subvert MRM messaging to your personal agenda. Please give us enough credit to be able to detect your egotistical motives.

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Rebel February 27, 2012 at 21:19

@Charles Martel:

In the end, it matters not at all wether the Spartans were gay or not.

The point I really wanted to make is that gays have been able to pull something that us heteros don’t seem to be capable of: to be respected and… feared.

In fact, hetero males have become a shooting gallery: shoot a hetero male and get… the medal of honor…

What on earth was it that gays did and we didn’t do?

Someone’s mistreating you? Just say you are gay and threaten to sue, then see everyone fall on their knees.

Say you are hetero and expect a bullet.

I’m exaggerating?

Hardly.

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American February 27, 2012 at 21:24

@ piercedhead, ???subvert mens rights???, i believe im just going right to the root of the perversion that is taking mens rights away.

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anonxcf February 27, 2012 at 21:25

I see two men happily sharing a moment, one of whom defends my country.

Maybe I’m too liberal for this site or something, or maybe I didn’t realize that gay men weren’t men.

Fuck, at least the male soldier there won’t be like the 90% of veterans that lose access to their kids because he has a penis and his wife/gf doesn’t. If and when these two adopt, custody will be much more likely to be dealt with in a fair and reasonable fashion.

As for recruitment… Is homophobia really a big sell for marines and other armed forces? Maybe there’s a study that shows that men don’t feel the need to protect a society with gays in it, or join armed forces and serve alongside queers, but if there is, I’ve never fucking heard of it.

Anyway, if this picture is supposed to speak for itself, it does, but it doesn’t say to me any of the negative things it says to you. Dude in uniform is hero, dude on left makes him happy, story over.

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Charles Martel February 27, 2012 at 21:29

@ Rebel

I don’t know enough about this topic to argue from historical sources, so I won’t. For me it just doesn’t pass the smell test. A highly militarized society of heterosexual men who all engage in frequent homosexual activity. Culture is just not that powerful.

Maybe we should take a poll here of all those who have served as infantrymen and see how much sodomy and fellatio they observed among their straight buddies. I’ll start. Zero.

Now, a 19th century clique of homosexual English academics who wish to wrap their deviant sexual behavior in the cultured veneer of classical Greek culture. That I can believe.

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Rebel February 27, 2012 at 21:37

@ Boxer

You are a man of reflection. Your thoughts are clear.

That usually comes with age.

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Charles Martel February 27, 2012 at 21:37

piercedhead
@Gender-Raunch/Pork-Bloat Guy
Most of us here have more serious interests than your personal crusade to use thie site to promote your favorite buzz-words.

Come on, that’s a pretty unkind way to address Brother Boxer. Surely there’s room in the MRM for propaganda-spewing, pork-bloating big-government leftie academics?

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Rebel February 27, 2012 at 21:39

@Charles Martel

With your permission, I would rather drop the subject.
Just forget what I said: not worth the trouble.
I think enough has been said.

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Charles Martel February 27, 2012 at 21:49

Good idea. Though I have to tell you this little gem in particular really rubbed me the wrong way. ;-)

Rebel
Some of those warriors had had so little to no relationships with women that, during their wedding night, they had to be “pumped into vigor” by their fellow men.

I mean, come on, you’re a Spartan Hoplite, feared throughout the ancient world, and you can’t get it up on your wedding night? Tell me that isn’t swishy historical revisionism. Sheesh.

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Seamus the Classicist February 27, 2012 at 22:09

The misconception that the Ancient Greeks were all gay is not quite correct. Man on man relations were more readily accepted, depending on the place and era. There are though a couple of counter indicators to the idea that the men were somehow gay. A couple I can think of off the top of my head, Greek Gymnasiums had a prohibition against adult men participating and observing the youths engaged in physical training, in Athens if a man had prostituted himself out he was ineligable to vote or hold office, and Aristophanes’ Play Lysistrata would indicate that most Greek men were hetrosexual.

A note on Sparta, because of their lack of a family life (the men living in the barracks until middle age, and the woman running the day to day affair,) the Spartans had a rather rapid decline. The Battle of Thermopylae (480 B.C.) could be considered their high point, after that they barely won the Peloponnesian War (431-404 B.C.) and even then lost some significant battles, by the time of Alexander the Great (336 B.C.) the Spartans were not even a military force worth the name, and by the Roman Era of the first century B.C. they were for all intents and purposes extinct. Many Historians attribute their failure to the Battle of Leuctra, subsequent earthquakes, etc. But at the heart was the lack of breeding among the Spartan Citizen Class, that was so bad that by the time of Phillip of Macedon’s invasion they had to recruit Helots and Perioiki to fight in the army.

Here’s an ironic aside: my former fiancee is an officer on the ship famous for the Lesbian first kiss.

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Bizzman662 February 27, 2012 at 22:34

What I find the most disturbing is the little boy in the backround of the picture.

Oh,

Never mind. The Feminists want our young boys to be “metro-sexual” and have the view that “Adam and Steve” not “Adam and Eve” is what they should shoot for in the future……….since it’s “cool” to have two Dads or two Moms……..

Yet another notch in those hairy legged bitches belt.

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Oddsock February 27, 2012 at 23:20

Boxer

Interesting POV and perhaps you are quite correct. However, you seem to be answering your own opinion and not mine. I never questioned the fighting ability of homosexuals.

Like I said, I am simply pointing out the power of perception not the ability of the said Marine to fight. Deception propaganda and projection of power and strength are a major part of warfare and most contact sports. Not forgetting troop/player morale.

I hope that explains my POV better?

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andybob February 28, 2012 at 00:18

“Far from being allied with gay men, feminists have been their foremost enemies since the earliest days up to the present.” Mr Boxer

Radical feminists sorta-kinda ‘like’ straight men – ‘like’ may be a poor choice of word. Oh, they totally hate you alright…but they have what I can only think of as a resistant attraction for you too. If you don’t know this, then I can only assume that you don’t actually have much face time with radical feminists. When I engage a radical feminist in conversation, she will always assume I am straight. As long as I don’t call her a feminazi cunt, then I can see her relishing the ‘playful’ combat that passes for communication with these types. A kind of club-footed flirting takes place – like Brooke’s monster “Puttin’ On the Ritz”. She gets tingly and giddy in spite of herself. Especially when being challenged.

When I reveal that I’m gay, her entire manner does a complete volte face. It’s like telling a rabbi that I’m Hitler’s grandson. I don’t hate women, but I have absolutely no use for them whatsoever – and they know it. Radical feminists despise gay men with a visceral rage that would startle bronze horses. That’s the reason they use gay slurs to humiliate straight men. It really is the very worst insult they can actually think of to throw at a man.

I get the sense that radical feminists regard gay men the way con artists regard potential marks who know every scam in the book. Nothing to be gained here – time to move along.

Revulsion for what gay men do is a normal human reaction for all straight people. It has nothing to do with homophobia. Straight people cannot control this any more than I can control my revulsion for bleeding lady parts. Sensible gay men understand and respect this fact. I would never stick my tongue down my partner’s throat in front of my twin brother because, he has always been my staunchest ally through life, and I owe him more respect than to make him feel uncomfortable. It’s just basic consideration.

Still, how would I react upon seeing my partner for the first time in months after surviving daily threats to my life – in a huge space where no-one seems to be looking (except for the family member who probably took the photo)? I’d probably decide, just for once, not to give a fuck about the comfort levels of others, and express my happiness just like everyone else is allowed to do.

It’s being plastered over the MSM in order to shit-stir. Riling people up getting them to shaking their fists in impotent rage – you know the sort of thing. Upsetting people sells. They don’t give a fuck about the participants and their rights and freedoms any more than they care about men anywhere.

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greyghost February 28, 2012 at 02:27

Based on the voting here and the comments. It seems the nonanti gay crowd are project hetero men as claiming homosexuals are in capable. That is typical protected class bullying.
And this greece thing i will say I have never sat down and read anything on it just heard bits and pieces. A society that is based on homosexuality just using common sense logic can not last. Manpower was all a country had. They didn’t have diesel engines back them.
I think the reason for don’t ask don’t tell was to allow gay people to serve and to keep the big social political problems of in your face gender rauch in check. I think it worked out pretty well. Now we have a new protected class roaming around in the military. Think how Boxer is posting up on us here now. Totally unneccesary for as an MRA I personaly always felt gay men mistakenly took misandry as gay bashing.

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greyghost February 28, 2012 at 02:32

thank you andybob

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AntZ February 28, 2012 at 03:35

There is NOTHING wrong with that picture.

Those two men are COMPLETELY safe from bigoted, sexist, feminist family courts, criminal courts, institutions, law enforcement, and government agencies. How many of YOU can say the same thing?

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Opus February 28, 2012 at 03:39

In the matter of food there are two things that I cannot stomach, Mince and Goosebury Fool, (much, as a child, to my Mother’s puzzlement) and looking at that photo, a number of times, each time I look at it I feel literally sick, as if I were attempting to eat Mince or Goosebury Fool. A revulsion towards Homo-sexuality is one of the two things (the other being Incest) that we are hard-wired against. Not that I care what they do in private, but ‘out of sight, out of mind’.

I deprecate the Canute-Like attempts – particularily of Her Majesty’s Government – to proscribe Homophobia as Normal. (Lipstick Lesbians are merely a Fitness Test).

I am hardly a classical scholar but given that it is the Atheians who are castigating the Spartans as Homosexuals, one has to wonder as to its accuracy.

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dragnet February 28, 2012 at 03:56

@ greyghost

I realize Welmer isn’t being “anti-gay”—I was just clarifying my whole position on the issues of gays in society.

Once again, the main problem with the photo isn’t that gays are now serving openly. The problem with the photo is attention whoring like that spits in the face of the martial values that should govern any military establishment—principles like emotional reticence, discipline, etc. The point of the military isn’t to make a political statement…it’s to kill people.

That’s what I was trying to say.

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Art Vandelay February 28, 2012 at 06:11

The point of the military isn’t to make a political statement…it’s to kill people.

It’s about making a political statement by killing people.

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Renee February 28, 2012 at 06:58

Once again, the main problem with the photo isn’t that gays are now serving openly. The problem with the photo is attention whoring like that spits in the face of the martial values that should govern any military establishment—principles like emotional reticence, discipline, etc.

If a heterosexual couple replaced the above couple in the photo, or displayed any outright signs of affection, would that spit in the face of the values that govern military establishment?

I would understand the discomfort and disagreement with homosexuality from a Christian, but from a non-Christian, someone who has no belief in God – what would their reasoning be?

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American February 28, 2012 at 07:20

What will America look like when “hetero-dominance” is finally broken??? There may be a reason that most modern societies around the world are “Hetero-dominant”

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beta_plus February 28, 2012 at 07:22

I doubt most gay men any more keen than straight men to have their tax dollars spend on children they did not father.

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Jay February 28, 2012 at 07:32

Ogling over a picture of adults kissing. . .

. . .we have other things to do.

And ‘hurting recuiting’? You’ve got to be kidding me. . .

New rules, folks. Follow them or don’t join.

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Charles Martel February 28, 2012 at 07:55

Renee
If a heterosexual couple replaced the above couple in the photo, or displayed any outright signs of affection, would that spit in the face of the values that govern military establishment?

Yes, it would – if the returning male marine jumped into the arms of his wife and wrapped his legs around her manly thighs.

I don’t have a problem with gays in the military. I don’t even have much of a problem with same sex public face sucking. My reaction to this image is more about the fact that my cultural values are being marginalized. I can feel the approaching tyranny of the minority, to paraphrase de Toqueville.

To digress a little – I have been an infantryman in an elite unit and I can tell you it’s not possible to tell who’s going to crack when the pressure is on. It was always a surprise when someone (occasionally) refused to jump during parachute training. Also, in my experience the most resilient, toughest soldiers were the unimposing wiry, medium height guys, not the big muscular guys.

What’s the point of this? Making blanket statements about preferring to soldier with gays rather than women is silly. It’s the fighting spirit of the individual that counts and that comes from the person’s character, self-confidence and training. At the risk of violating NAWALT, what about Mary Hays at the Battle of Monmouth? “As her husband was carried off the battlefield, Mary Hays took his place at the cannon. For the rest of the day, in the heat of battle, Mary continued to “swab and load” the cannon using her husband’s rammer. At one point, a British musket ball or cannon ball flew between her legs and tore off the bottom of her skirt. Mary supposedly said, “Well, that could have been worse,” and went back to loading the cannon.”

And yes, this story has probably been exaggerated in the telling, but Mary Hays was at the Battle of Monmouth and her deeds were recognized by George Washington.

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Boxer February 28, 2012 at 07:57

Like I said, I am simply pointing out the power of perception not the ability of the said Marine to fight. Deception propaganda and projection of power and strength are a major part of warfare and most contact sports. Not forgetting troop/player morale. I hope that explains my POV better?

I guess I just don’t get it. Perhaps my tender generation lots its capacity for revulsion. Maybe it’s my surroundings. I honestly fail to see a single thing that’s revolting in the photo. The PDA would be in poor taste in any other context.

I’m a lot younger than many here. I’ve also been desensitised by shopping at Wal-Mart and walking through the mall and such. Here in North America you can see dudes slobbering over huge 200 kilo (400 pound) single moms. I try not to look at such things, but even that doesn’t phase me much. The weird thing is that most of the dudes are often in passable shape and not fat themselves. Brothers can make out with other dudes, or huge fat chicks, or inflatable sheep if they want. Just don’t do it in the street where it’ll scare the horses. ;p

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Charles Martel February 28, 2012 at 08:03

Jay
And ‘hurting recuiting’? You’ve got to be kidding me. . .
New rules, folks. Follow them or don’t join.

Nice going, Jay. See what you did? You made a strong statement and then contradicted yourself in the very next sentence.

I’ll choose “don’t join” thank you. After all, we know there are hordes of gay urban liberals clamoring to fill the ranks of the Marine Corps.

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Boxer February 28, 2012 at 08:06

Those two men are COMPLETELY safe from bigoted, sexist, feminist family courts, criminal courts, institutions, law enforcement, and government agencies. How many of YOU can say the same thing?

I dunno about that. In Canada and some American States these two fellas can get married and then divorced. It wouldn’t surprise me to find a whole new facet of the divorce industry opening up in the next few years to exploit them, pit one against the other, and force one to pay all the other’s bills. Gay dudes tend to have a lot of disposable income, and I’m sure the divorce attorneys and asshole judges are salivating at the prospect of exploiting them.

A blanket apology to all gay brothers who were silly enough to get married. Those still single: Don’t get married. Not even to another dude. It just ain’t worth it.

Boxer

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dragnet February 28, 2012 at 08:21

@ Renee

It’s not the homosexuality that bothers me, it’s the exhibitionism and attention whoring—how much clearer can I make that?

And, yes, I would feel somewhat uncomfortable if a returning Marine and his wife were photographed in the same liplocked embrace. But between two men it troubles me more because in waritime those two men are more likely to be comardes in battle than any man and woman. Liaisons between men have a potential to disrupt battlefield cohesion and comarderie than those between men and women. And, no, allowing women in combat doesn’t change this calculus because everyone knows they won’t be fighting in actual combat in any significant numbers.

How is this not self-explanatory?

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Pops February 28, 2012 at 08:22

“Let’s see what the butt boys, dykes and gangster thugs can do.”

True enough. Lax recruiting practices have resulted in thugs from these gangs spreading their graffiti in Baghdad.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=060707174439.0zkqbh7p

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dragnet February 28, 2012 at 08:29

@ Renee

“I would understand the discomfort and disagreement with homosexuality from a Christian, but from a non-Christian, someone who has no belief in God – what would their reasoning be?”

Are you serious? Just because someone is a “non-Christian” doesn’t mean they have “no belief in God”.

Yeesh.

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silent February 28, 2012 at 08:31

In linguist school out in CA, there were plenty of gays. MOST of them were in the marines and army. Even our USAF chaplain was gay.
There were plenty of reasons given, but it really doesn’t matter – they were great students, many of whom graduated with me.
Repealing DADT probably will reduce the amount of enlistees, but we already spend more money than any other nation on ‘defense’, so no big deal.
With our new drone army, ‘boots on the ground’ doesn’t mean as much anymore.

Bottom line, they’re all tools for the bankers anyway. If they want to die in the sandbox, let ‘em have at it.

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Charles Martel February 28, 2012 at 08:52

Pops
True enough. Lax recruiting practices have resulted in thugs from these gangs spreading their graffiti in Baghdad.

Nice. The Southern Poverty Law Center has an agenda and once again it’s whites only who are under attack as that article focuses solely on white supremacist gangs in the military and for good measure references Timothy McVeigh.

Tim McVeigh is the go-to guy for demonizing white nationalists. The report on the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was prepared by Brigadier General Benton K. Partin and is in the Congressional Record. Congress ignored General Partin’s report . Here’s what General Partin says about the Oklahoma City bombing.

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Pops February 28, 2012 at 09:51

Nice. The Southern Poverty Law Center has an agenda and once again it’s whites only who are under attack as that article focuses solely on white supremacist gangs in the military and for good measure references Timothy McVeigh.

And of course, the SPLC refuses to designate the New Black Panthers as well as the Nation of Islam as hate groups. /sarcasm

The article focuses solely on white supremacist gangs in the military because that is what it was solely writen for as indicated by its title. Articles about general gang activity in the military either totally or predominantly focus on racial minority gangs.

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Brian Aizen February 28, 2012 at 10:54

The young marine in the picture just returned from his THIRD deployment to a combat zone overseas. He hasn’t done anything wrong, nor has he harmed the marines. With DADT over, every branch of the services will have servicemen who are out of the closet. This picture means little in that context. He deserves an emotional homecoming moment (even with kissing) after his service. We should be thanking him, not whining about seeing him kiss his partner.

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Renee February 28, 2012 at 11:05

Dragnet,
Are you serious? Just because someone is a “non-Christian” doesn’t mean they have “no belief in God”.

I was actually about to put an “or” to replace that comma, but personally I find it hard to believe in God and not be a Christian. To me the two seem synonymous. I guess if you believe that God exists and nothing more, then what you say makes sense. Usually when someone believes in God, it’s insinuated that not only you believe in him, but you believe in his teachings, the Bible being the Word of God, Jesus died for the sins of the world and was resurrected, etc., etc. A Christian.

But that’s just me and how I see things.

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Renee February 28, 2012 at 11:10

Charles and dragnet,
Thanks for clearing that up ;-)

Dragnet,
It’s not the homosexuality that bothers me, it’s the exhibitionism and attention whoring….And, yes, I would feel somewhat uncomfortable if a returning Marine and his wife were photographed in the same liplocked embrace.

OK, that’s what I was wondering about.

But between two men it troubles me more because in waritime those two men are more likely to be comardes in battle than any man and woman. Liaisons between men have a potential to disrupt battlefield cohesion and comarderie than those between men and women. And, no, allowing women in combat doesn’t change this calculus because everyone knows they won’t be fighting in actual combat in any significant numbers.

Yeah that makes sense.

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dragnet February 28, 2012 at 11:15

@ Renee

I have to say I’m pretty gobsmacked by what you’re saying. Are you saying that non-Christians like Jews and Muslims don’t believe in God?

Are you seriously saying that in a public forum? Why aren’t you embarrased to be that ignorant??

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gilgamesh February 28, 2012 at 12:32

Day 1: “We just want you to keep your nose out of our sex lives!”

Day 2: “Watch me make out with my boyfriend in public you homophobe!”

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Rusty February 28, 2012 at 13:04

So, this is what all the bitching in the new-improved MRM is about? Promoting homosexuality? That’s really queer. Hatred for women and tolerance for perversion has reached its limit for me.

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bobsutan February 28, 2012 at 13:16

The main problem with this picture and the acceptance of gays in the military is that it emboldens our enemies and gives them something to point to and laugh at when rallying their troops.

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Rusty February 28, 2012 at 13:30

“The main problem with this picture and the acceptance of gays in the military is that it emboldens our enemies and gives them something to point to and laugh at when rallying their troops.”

The problem is much bigger than that. Tolerance, much less promotion, of perversion is a key indicator of total societal collapse, not of open-mindedness or any of that Marxist B.S. It is only those in the dark who think we are progressing.

Is this how we promote the end of feminism and heal the healthy, natural relationship between men and women, by allowing this? I am even more suspicious of the MRM now, seeing as how lesbianism was promoted by the feminazis.

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Joe February 28, 2012 at 16:10

Think about this –
That Marine’s boyfriend waited for him to return.
That Marine didn’t get an “Sorry, you’re dumped, I’ve shacked up with Jodie” letter from his wife/gf.
That Marine didn’t come home to find his wife gone, house empty and his kids had been taken away from him.
So, that Marine was spared two debilitating distractions / betrayals that plague (straight) men serving in the armed forces.
(With women in the military now, lust is just as much a distraction for straight men serving, as gay men)

Also, fuck all this noise about him jumping on his bf. He just did a tour of duty, probably got shot at, risked roadside bombs, pretty sure he deserves some R&R.

I’m not a warmonger, I don’t believe the West should be invading other countries (vote Ron Paul!), but I think those who risk their lives, limbs and sanity to serve at least deserve to get a welcome home from their loved one(s) regardless of any agenda.

I for one am glad that Marine got back home safe, and I’m glad that someone who loves him gave a flying fuck and was there to show him some love when he returned.

Because there are plenty of men who come home from war to this, instead:
“The Reason for Veteran Suicides”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVUHalR8P0I

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Boxer February 28, 2012 at 16:10

Is this how we promote the end of feminism and heal the healthy, natural relationship between men and women, by allowing this?

You’re assuming that some historical era boasted a “healthy, natural relationship between men and women”. In fact, a couple of generations ago, men were forced to get married young and spend their entire lives supporting some worthless bitch who was free to ride around on his hardworking back, fuck other dudes on the side, and make his life hell.

These days we don’t need to go back to that. I have a vacuum cleaner and a dishwasher. I have fucked over a dozen hot young chicks since the first of the month. I’m saving my money for a month in Europe this summer. What the fuck do I need a live-in woman for?

What does any man need a wife for? The answer, of course, is nothing. Marriage is hell. I don’t want to go back and there are plenty more where I come from.

Regards, Boxer

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a_guy February 28, 2012 at 16:42

Hey everyone, I’ve been lurking here for a while, but I had to comment on this piece after seeing the comments here. I see a lot of “ho hum, I see nothing wrong with gay men in the military, homosexuality is cool, what’s the big deal” comments and I suspect that most of them are from guys who have never been in the military. You guys have no idea what this kind of thing will do to unit cohesion and morale, and I guarantee it WILL result in a recruitment problem for the Marines and for the combat MOSs in general in all services.

I was a grunt in the US Army, and I will say that gay men have always served. Sometimes you might know they were gay, through subtle clues here and there, most times you probably didn’t because they kept it to themselves. Most of the hetero guys wouldn’t make a big deal about it unless they saw overt signs of homosexuality, and kissing another guy in front of people would have been in that category, but there was a general uneasiness around them, and always the occasional horror story of a guy getting raped or otherwise molested by a homosexual (this DOES happen – it’s not just some myth).

There are a couple of things about the military you civilian types don’t understand. One is the extremely intimate nature of the lifestyle, even when back on base. It is not like the civilian world, where you punch in at 8:00am and punch out at 5:00pm and go your separate ways. You eat, sleep, shower, shit, and train together 24×7. The military tries very hard to lock down any issues that might cause tension between troops, such as racial animosity, because in that lifestyle and under that kind of stress, even minor disagreements can blow up 100 times their normal size, and then you have men that hate each other armed to the teeth out in some ass end of the world more focused on fighting each other than fighting the enemy.

The second thing is the nature of men that join combat units. These are generally the more masculine men, the ones who are willing to put themselves at risk for society at large. The job they do is hard and the life they lead is hard. The new politically correct military has been bringing women in left and right because the feminist-types in government are both using the military as a modified welfare program and as a social engineering experiment, both of which have already degraded military competence severely. When I was in the middle east, for example, they were constantly flying out pregnant women from support units from the combat zone. Support guys that I talked to, such as truck drivers, had nothing but horror stories about the drag their women were on the mission. In the combat MOSs, it was all men, so you generally didn’t have to deal with that kind of drama, but more importantly, these were the kind of men who would refuse to deal with that kind of drama, shape up or get your ass kicked. That is the mentality you need in a combat troop, bu it is also a mentality that is not conducive to all of this feminist pro-gay, anti-masculine BS that is being pushed down everyone’s throats. So, you push this pro-gay stuff into combat troops, and either there will be huge problems with troop cohesion, or the kind of guys you want as combat troops will stop joining.

I recognize that the younger generation, people in their teens and twenties, are all pro-gay now, but that is only because pro-gay propaganda has been pushed in every facet of society. The younger generation has been brainwashed from birth through movies, TV, left-wing teachers, professors, etc., to where, even if they felt revulsion toward two gay men kissing, they would never admit it openly because they’ve been conditioned to be ashamed of their own natural responses.

The gay population is 1-2% of the general population, and yet, our elements of our society are pushing very hard to re-define every single institution and cultural norm to see homosexuality as not only normal, but as preferable to heterosexuality, at least in men. I see this as nothing less than an attack on masculinity and men in general. Those of you who say you are men’s right’s activists but support this type of cultural destruction are supporting two opposing forces at the same time, but you can’t see that because you’ve been so conditioned to accept homosexuality as normal and healthy that you are unable to consider the negative implications.

And this is not about hating homosexuals. That is a lie used to stop debate. I personally believe that most gay men do not choose to be gay. However, there are plenty of human conditions and behaviors that are not chosen, but also are not healthy. We didn’t generally reorder our society to accommodate these other conditions, so why are we doing it to accommodate homosexuality? I believe that it is being done to tear down the existing (formerly) healthy societies to replace them with new ones, more conducive to totalitarianism, and the homosexual question is just one element being used to accomplish this.

Apologies for the long-windedness.

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andybob February 28, 2012 at 18:25

@ a_guy,

I have heard very similar concerns from servicemen before. They make a lot of sense. I worked with a few ex-marines (veterans from Kuwait) in Japan who explained why the realities of military life could make proximity to gays problematic. These guys were not homophobic – we got on well – just realistic and honest.

I don’t have any answers except to say that these concerns cannot be ignored or glossed over – least of all for political expedience or PC BS. There is too much at stake. I do not respect men who cannot exchange their views without checking their emotions and stupidity at the door. So, I appreciate you writing about your experience and the manner in which you wtote it

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American February 28, 2012 at 18:50

Boxer
‘I have fucked over a dozen hot young chicks since the first of the month’.
American say “Bullshit”, you aint getting that much tail bro.

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Boxer February 28, 2012 at 19:21

‘I have fucked over a dozen hot young chicks since the first of the month’.
American say “Bullshit”, you aint getting that much tail bro.

It’s the 28th now. two are regulars, there have been a few one-nighters in there. A dozen seems about right. About a year ago I honestly quit keeping track. There have been 9-15 in the last four weeks. How’s that?

Hot is, admittedly, relative. Hot to me is different than the hot to the fellas smooching each other in the photo, or dudes who are into fatties and foot porn.

None of this is anything to brag about. Follow AfOR’s advice and use the internet dating sites if you don’t like scraping tail off the vodka stained floor of the nightclub. You’ll be banging when you want as well.

Four weeks in Europe is definitely not an exaggeration, though. Would I be able to do that if I had a naggy woman who was spending my, er, “our” money? I don’t make enough to do both, and I know which experience I’d rather have.

Regards, Boxer

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Art Vandelay February 28, 2012 at 19:38

When I was in the middle east, for example, they were constantly flying out pregnant women from support units from the combat zone. Support guys that I talked to, such as truck drivers, had nothing but horror stories about the drag their women were on the mission.

Would there be repercussions if these men shared there stories after they get discharged from the service (doing it anonymously)? I think it would make pretty interesting read and probably get a lot of media attention.

It’s also great that the women get a free ride out of the combat zone after basically deserting their posts…

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DirkJohanson February 28, 2012 at 19:44

The problem will be when the front lines of our military resemble a prison shower. Its not the stereotypical gay guys that fresh-faced 18 year-olds are going to have to deal with when their mind should be on the war – its the undersexed “straight” guys doing gay shit that will be the problem.

Why do straight guys “turn gay” in prison? Answer: cuz there’s no one else to fuck. Think about it.

PS The number of military personnel most affected by the prohibition was overwhelmingly female, even in a majority male military. In other words, chicks doling out pears at safe stateside bases are the overwhelming beneficiaries of a policy which will result in the fresh-faced 18 year-old just trying to fight for his country end up pressured into getting his ass reamed with cum and cock when he should be preparing for battle or trying to stay safe.

Prison guards can’t stop it – who’s gonna stop it out there?

In Muslim countries, no less.

Not good.

And does this healthy young lad get a shot at being with a woman while all this is going on? No, because they sleep in separate barracks – he gets to sleep in close quarters with people that want to have sex with him, but not vice versa – and since women these days do each other at the drop of a hat, he’ll get to hear all about the lesbian action – while, unlike the chicks, he is exposed to the most dangerous combat conditions, and gets to hear about the contributions women are making to the cause even though their body count is less than 1%.

And when he returns home having been repeatedly ass-raped, what is waiting for him? A country that will throw him in prison if he dare offer money for heterosexual sex.

Ah, the rewards of risking one’s life for a country that couldn’t care less about him.

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Avenger February 28, 2012 at 22:53

@Dirk
“And does this healthy young lad get a shot at being with a woman while all this is going on?”

I think that all those 18yo girls who don’t have to register for the draft should serve as “comfort girls” to the troops. They’d probably like it too :) Just be sure to give them norplant first and check them for disease.

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Rick Derris February 29, 2012 at 06:16

I hope this USMC fellow stays safe, and hopefully is not injured by the radical Islamic jerk-off f*ckers who want to kill him just for being gay.

I’d hold my breath waiting for the lame-stream media to point out that while some religious people in the USA might not approve of his homosexuality, that they certainly do NOT want to push a brick wall onto him like the camel-f*cking Tal-EEE-ban in Afghanistan, but I don’t want to pass out this morning.

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Wilson February 29, 2012 at 10:02

Would be more awkward if he were doing that to a woman, but still… Should maintain a certain composure while in uniform.

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Auntie Pheminizm February 29, 2012 at 18:39

Comparing the All Blacks ruggers to a highschool football team is like comparing GI Jane to a Cub Scout. Pit the best rugby team against the Super Bowl winner and see what happens.

Also, why is the issue of gays in “male” military showers never raised? Women have separate showers because straight men and women see each other as sex objects. Since gay men view other men sexually, why don’t they, too have their own facilities?

Or are straight men, once again, to just put up with “change”?

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Auntie Pheminizm February 29, 2012 at 18:51

How will folks react when, during a presidential inaugural, men not only dance and kiss in public, but wear dresses?

If a general is gay and married and brings his wife to a televised ball in a gown, are we cool with that?

The other issue: how do our enemies perceive us? The Taliban probably laughs itself silly at night seeing photos of gay Marines, female soldierettes, and so on.

What next: a diverse army of the lame, blind, and halt?

Why not charge the enemy in wheelchairs?

Why not allow a cavalry trooper to marry his warhorse?

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Auntie Pheminizm February 29, 2012 at 19:05

Spartans gay?

Dunno.

“It started in modern times by wrongly understanding or translating the word ‘lover’,’ the name for the mentor of the young Spartan which was just that, a personal mentor, and the Greek term has nothing to do with love in our modern English sense….Even Plutarch in life of Lycourgos wrote that the relationship between boy and mentor was chaste….Of couse homosexuals and paedophiles did exist. Yet the practice was frowned upon.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_the_Spartans_gay

So…difficult to know what’s true and what’s latter-day propaganda. Just like the idea that every 10th person you meet is gay. Most likely BS. More like 2-3% of the population.

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Auntie Pheminizm February 29, 2012 at 19:14

> “A man knows other men are likely to forgive him if the matter comes to light, but he does not want his women and children, and more importantly, the female friends of his woman to know of this.”

Then he’s a cowardly mangina.

Having integrity is doing the right thing when no one else is around to notice.

A male who runs all he does past Big Mommy for approval is not, IMHO, a man.

Saying gays would run amok because they don’t supplicate to women for sex is beyond insulting to both them and straight men. It’s like men have no souls and must consult the Oracle of Pooni to know how to act.

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Auntie Pheminizm February 29, 2012 at 19:24

> “The greeks and romans fielded armies that were very pro homosexuality…”

Evidence?

> “The Germans were the first modern army ti adopt that policy, and they adopted it for precisely the above reason with the same resukts. While normal grunts were punished for homosexuality, the officer corps expected it, especially in SS if one wished to advance.”

Nonsense. Hitler not only purged gay men (especially in upper ranks), the few he allowed to live knew Adolf had them by the shorties.

> “I would never willingly join an army that encouraged gay troops as I know that army would be extremely brutal and vicious regardless of what face they put on.”

Really? Americans firebombed German civilians, butchered Filipinos (including decapitations), slew a million Vietnamese, etc.

EVERY country has committed war crimes. Yet only 2-3% of the world is gay. So it’s gotta hets who’ve done the most hideous, hellacious things.

> “This pro-gay army…an incredibly brutal and viscious tool of State.”

Balderdash and fear-mongering. Like saying enemies eat babies.

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Auntie Pheminizm February 29, 2012 at 19:51

> “At the risk of violating NAWALT, what about Mary Hays at the Battle of Monmouth?”

Proves the point: women are worth more than men.

Nearly 60,000 American males died during the Vietnam War. Only one woman did (8 others died from non-war reasons). Yet they erected a monument for military women.

So where’s the monument for K-9 dogs who actually served in combat?

Or for cows who lost their lives to feed men in-field?

Women get credit for being “near” action men are routinely expected, at their peril, to be in the thick of.

It’s like calling men “mothers” for standing outside maternity wards smoking cigars.

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Auntie Pheminizm February 29, 2012 at 20:06

> “I honestly fail to see a single thing that’s revolting in the photo.”

Fine. What if it kills recruitment?

What if it kills recruitment so much the draft is revived?

> “Here in North America you can see dudes slobbering over huge 200 kilo (400 pound) single moms.”

“Slobbering”? Sounds sorta judgmental, no?

What happens when gays become more numerous and “open” in the military and start cruising showers?

Suppose a hot female is in a combat unit and is the “girlfriend” of one of the guys. If she gets wounded, will he take risks to save her that he might not otherwise? What if she dumps him and chooses another guy in the same unit? How will the resulting emotions affect the mission?

Now what, if instead of a female, two gays serve in the same unit and one gets wounded?

I’m not saying what WILL happen, just what could. All units try to maximize cohesion, treating fellow unit members as a “band of brothers.” That can both motivate soldiers and jeopardize effectiveness (like seeing a favorite blown to shitereens).

Few talk about the real-life, in-theater, in-field dynamics that gays/women could change…for better or worse.

Also, why is the Marine a “hero”? Sounds like he just did his job, one he chose. Do we call the dude who makes pizza “brave” for doing HIS job?

That is, I know little about what the soldier DID other than follow orders.

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ennio March 1, 2012 at 05:21

This guy is willing to give his life, if necessary, for your country’s interests and a lot of you commenters have nothing better to do than blaming him for publicly showing his affection for the man he loves after a long separation? For shame!
Gays are really the only ones who genuinely love other men!

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djc March 1, 2012 at 09:01

I’m with a_guy. Call me what you will. I don’t care. That picture is disgusting. Homosexuality is not acceptable behavior IMHO. And no matter how much someone wants me to believe it is, I never will.

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Gilgamesh March 2, 2012 at 12:37

I don’t know what that marine’s job was, but he doesn’t look like he’d make a good trigger-puller.

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Towgunner March 2, 2012 at 12:47

As a Marine, this is disgusting. Homophobe? What the hell does that mean? You mean that on my own i.e. exercising my own free will and consistent with my rights as outlined by the Constitution and Bill of Rights I have concluded that being gay is wrong? So, we can’t speak our minds anymore is that it…and were fighting for freedom did you say? Let me paint a picture for you guys sympathetic to this stuff. I was on a pick nick bench in Kuwait, I couldn’t sleep, it must have been 2 or 3 at night. I had already run 4-5 miles around 11 pm just to tire myself out, it didn’t work. I was close to finishing off another pack of cigarettes. I had recently got back from Iraq. Exactly on my mind – was this for something noble like my family or for two perverts to be married so we can eventually have scenes like this taken as normal. So, you’ll excuse me if I take issue that fighting a war so people can feel good when they sodomize each other isn’t a worthwhile venture. I don’t find homosexuality normal. I am not gay, not in the least; the whole notion of repressed gay feelings is bull crap and used to squelch real debate. I think we should note that the rise of gay is a part of the rise of feminism. Like feminism, gays rely on the government…I mean it can’t be any more obvious take both MA and CA popular votes to deny gay marriage and judges legislating from the bench. gayism has led us to an ignorant understanding of human sexuality. It is very obvious to me that sexuality is fungible…that’s right. But we can’t say that because it negates a key part in the gay religion. There is no gay gene, it is not born-in. The causes, I’ll admit, I don’t know for sure, but prior history of molestation is quite common among homosexuals. Regardless, if sexuality is fungible, then being gay is a choice. Who the hell would choose to be gay? And before, someone says well that’s just it, they don’t choose because why would they bring scorn on themselves?? Okay, why do some people tattoo their whole bodies, file their teeth down to fangs, dress like punks, put huge tinker toys in their ears and nose – that doesn’t ostracize them from others to include family? People do odd things. Like it or not, if you take away the government and the propaganda i.e. modern family etc, people on aggregate once they are comfortable knowing that it is safe to think again will look at homosexuality as unnatural. Of course, since our wars are really to ensure the petro dollar and thus wars of aggression, we need unethical and immoral people to be in the military. When I was in the Marines, it wasn’t for the money, life was tough, and payback was minimal from a material point of view. Serving was not easy. We did it for honor. My pain was my pay in many ways – Parris Island, OCS, Infantry School, the Fleet, Iraq etc. My pay was a bond that I had with other Marines… non-Marines will never understand it and believe me we earned it and it’s rightfully ours. Is it too much to ask to just keep our Marine culture in tact…is it? That thousands of us died in past and current wars..can’t we just keep our warrior ethos? Well, they took that from us too. Whether its pregnant coeds, empathy bellies or prancing dandies turning tricks in the barracks…its gone. Thanks!

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solarlord March 2, 2012 at 15:14

Wow.

I’ve been following the manosphere , despise the feminist movement, but if the natural allies of the MGTOW movement are homosexual men, and even respect men like Jack Donovan, then it is absolutely logical that, just as Lesbianism is the logical outgrowth of feminism to serve the interests of the Elite that want to conquer humanity, that MGTOW for certain interests just another strategy to divide and conquer human civilization by faggotizing the men of the
West.

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solarlord March 2, 2012 at 15:18

Correction of the above post:

I mistyped the palce of my reference to mr. Donovan:

I’ve been following the manosphere , despise the feminist movement, *and even respect men like Jack Donovan*, but if the natural allies of the MGTOW movement are homosexual men, , then it is absolutely logical that, just as Lesbianism is the logical outgrowth of feminism to serve the interests of the Elite that want to conquer humanity, that MGTOW for certain interests just another strategy to divide and conquer human civilization by faggotizing the men of the West.

I respect Mr. Donovan’s thought’s on many issues, even though I find his orientation repugnant.

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ennio March 2, 2012 at 21:52

A lot of the comments above are one more evidence of how extremely difficult it is to be gay a n d a MRA. Sad!

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F Bowdich March 3, 2012 at 08:51

Let’s dispense with the term homophobia since a phobia is an irrational fear. There is nothing irrational about finding the practice of homosexuality contemptible, repulsive, and deviant. The pathetic aspect of the photograph is the effeminate nature of the jumper. As Machiavelli pointed out effeminate behaviour will lead to the prince being despised and nothing has changed since.

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roger March 3, 2012 at 22:12

I don’t mind gay men. Real, fully aware men know that gay men should be respected if not envied because they don’t have to deal with women, and that they can be useful allies. Sure I don’t understand what they do, or why they do it, but I’m sure they enjoy it. And half the guys that say gay sex is six are secretly watching anal porn.

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ennio March 3, 2012 at 23:07

“The pathetic aspect of the photograph is the effeminate nature of the jumper.”
You’ve obviously never watched how soccer players behave on the ground when the game is over. So feminine, yet so chaste!

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Human-Stupidity.com March 17, 2012 at 06:01

As a positive point: at least the gays don’t have a tradition of suing for harassment, quotas, and don’t get pregnant.

They probably don’t object to male gossip about women and rough language. They probably don’t as for quotas either, nor for lighter standards in physical testing. Nor do they want to be saved preferentially when boats sink, or when they get caught in action by the enemy.

Seems women are much more of a problem.

But I understand there are some serious problems.

What is the average beta soldier to do? In the army, gays have sex, women have sex. Men can’t even find the brothels that were ubiquitous 30 years ago, near the bases.

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I Am The Beast Sssotlohiefmjn April 30, 2012 at 05:49

I think it is sick . I do not advocate violence against such person male or female who are sick but I certainly think such behavior should be disciplined to prevent it from happening again.
It causes the children to have mental problems and it degenerates society. Homosexuality is a condition of immature normal sexual development common in apes and man and other animals. It surfaces in about 5% of any populace and can be much higher but overall heterosexual maturity is reached by 80% or more.
I think society has a duty to shield children from before birth and their parents and the society they live in from exposure of them to more evil versus less evil. I think that today, they are overstimulated by the behavior and information projected at them by society and adults who are sick themselves.
I believe they should not be allowed to promote an illness of society upon society and should be regulated in this behavior.
I was in the Navy and Marines and gay men in them days were not open by any means or they were expelled. I thought that latter harsh and unwise, they should have be disciplined with mast and losses by CO orders and made to control their behaviors. I had no power to change rules.
Many men have latent homosexual desires and it is offensive to God that these be tempted who otherwise do not think or manifest these activities , for them and others I do think the traditional conservative straight heterosexual married Godly family orientated society is the very best and cleanest before my God. It will survive while the other will fall and fail.

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lovethenut November 17, 2013 at 13:54

Our soldiers are Real Men and deserve to be worshipped like one. I don’t mind.

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