Who is More Responsible for Sex?

by W.F. Price on February 25, 2012

One of the reasons I brought up the naughty teacher in LA and the contradictions in the law is that something that’s been on my mind is this idea that there is equal responsibility for sex. It’s something feminists will never fail to bring up when one suggests that it isn’t fair that a guy is on the hook for 18 years when he slept with a woman without intending to have a child. What they consider a rock-solid, ironclad justification for demanding the support is “he didn’t have to sleep with her.” Well, no, he didn’t. But take a 17-year-old boy and a mature woman of, say, 29, and who has more control over the sex act? Who is the gatekeeper? If the woman isn’t in any position of authority over the boy, it’s a legal sex act in most states, so she is free to sleep with him if she wants. However, realistically speaking, the woman has far more control over whether sex will actually happen. A boy of 17 has very little self-control over sex.

So why is it that the law puts the burden of child support on the boy when the responsibility for pregnancy lies overwhelmingly with the woman? It’s another one of those contradictions that characterizes feminist thinking.

Another thing that highlights this is the feminist claims of mass rape throughout society. If as many rapes happen as they claim, chances are someone on your street has been raped recently. There must be multiple simultaneous rapes occurring at any given time within your zip code. Can you hear the silence screaming around you? (this is probably what goes through the minds of feminists). Anyway, the point is that if men are so irrepressibly prone to rape and so sexually voracious, and women so prone to being unwilling, then who really is most responsible when consensual sex does happen?

One of the most sacred and cherished rights of feminists is the right to say “no” — that is, the right to deny sex. Do men value the ability to deny sex as much as women? Perhaps when it comes to forced sodomy, but that isn’t a common issue. One rarely sees men marching down the street with placards declaring that “NO MEANS NO,” and when they do, they are generally just holding signs for women. So, if women actually like denying sex, and are more likely to exercise that power, who has more choice when it comes to whether or not a given sex act will occur?

When a woman gets pregnant as a result of consensual sex, who bears the bulk of the responsibility?

Let’s break it down:

  • Men have a higher sex drive than women
  • Men have less control over their sexual impulses
  • Women value the ability to deny sex
  • Women are far more likely and able to deny sex than men

If the above are true, then barring outright rape, surely women are more to blame for pregnancy than men. So why does the law treat males and females as equal participants in the sex act, and why does policy hold the man to be more responsible? Clearly, the female has more control.

Additionally, it creates a double standard where statutory rape is concerned. If women have more control over whether a sex act will occur, then older women who sleep with with adolescent boys are guilty of a more serious crime than older men who sleep with adolescent females. The adolescent female has more control over whether she will have sex than the adolescent male, who is hopelessly overwhelmed by surging hormones. However, men who sleep with underage females are generally punished more severely than women who do so with boys.

There’s been a lot of hand-wringing over the disintegration of the American family and marriage, but few people dare to point out the obvious reason America is fast becoming a nation of bastards. It’s actually fairly clear: women are not being held to the appropriate level of responsibility where their sexual choices are concerned. In the old days, it was understood that, barring rape, women were more responsible for who they slept with than men, and if they screwed up they had to deal with it. This is why the rate of illegitimacy was so low for so long. However, today, women can get pregnant and receive guaranteed support from not only the government, but whatever random man they permitted to have sex with them.

Holding men more responsible than women for sex has been an abysmal failure, yet the policy remains in place despite thousands of years of received wisdom that lets us know it is a bad idea. Holding men and women equally responsible would be inappropriate as well, but we’ve gone past even that. Without some change in policy soon, the majority of all births in the United States will be illegitimate in a decade or so. The current system, which absolves women of responsibility for a choice that is largely in their hands, and for which they have even more options and tools at their disposal to deal with the consequences than ever, is unsustainable.

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Geography Bee Finalist himself February 25, 2012 at 07:26

Who is More Responsible for Sex?

Females.

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AfOR February 25, 2012 at 07:28

The law fucks men over because they can be made to bleed more than a wimminz, they make better hosts for the parasites of society than wimminz.

End of.

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hf February 25, 2012 at 07:33

Women typically struggle with knowing what exactly it is that they want. The “No Means No” movement is just as much trying to convince themselves and each other as it is trying to convince men. Deception is very much a part of a woman’s autonomy.

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hf February 25, 2012 at 07:38

To elaborate a little on what I said above- Men dont need a national movement backing our “NO”. Men typically are of a much firmer conviction, and when we say no, we are perfectly capable of getting that point across without the help of the herd.

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Opus February 25, 2012 at 07:42

You raise a number of interesting points, which perhaps enable me to add something which happily I refrained from adding on the previous thread.

Picking up my own story again: The idea that I fancied the woman I slept with at Sixteen is laughable – do me a favour! The woman wasn’t gross, but I had Testosterone. It is always easy for any average woman (i.e. not fat not geriatric and not exceptionally ugly) to have sex when and wherever she wants. The same is not true of men: Women are the gatekeepers of sex and no woman has to become pregnant unless she wants to. There is however a reason why the State traditionally enforces maintainance payments against men; simply, women need to nurture the child: Men worked and thus earned money. That was the reason. The State did not want to be burdened with the expense of bringing up the child. That remains the case although with creches, kindergartens and the likelihood that it is more probable that the woman rather than the man has the well-paying occupation, the justification for forcing the man to pay falls away. I cannot think of any present justification for it, given the availability of Contraception, Abortion, and Adoption. To force a man to pay is simply extortion backed with menaces. If men gave birth rather than women that is what the feminazis would surely argue.

The other interesting question is whether it is worse for a man to sleep with an adolescent or for a woman to do likewise. AngryHarry who acknowledges his double-standard thinks it worse for the man to sleep with the adolescent. I suspect that attitude has more than a little to do with the fact that Fathers are possessive towards their daughters and do not like the idea that some man is enjoying the daughter sexually. Be that as it may, I take the opposite view, and for this reason: Women are fickle and women are programmed to marry older men (that is until they become voracious Cougars), but Men are programmed to be protective towards women and bond easily and lastingly with those they sleep with. Adolsecents can therefore easily be persuaded by their hormones to stick around their seducer even though she is old enough to be his mother. There is nothing more ridiculous than a young man permanently attached to an older woman – very Beta. This is not good, and society until recently castigated and shamed women who slept with young men, wisely I think.

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Nehalem February 25, 2012 at 07:52

To get the point across more easily I suggest we modify a common liberal slogan and say:

Her body, her choice, her responsibility.

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namae nanka February 25, 2012 at 07:56

——————————–Men————Women-
Forced sex: almost 3.0% 2.3%
-forced oral/anal sex: 2.4% 1.6%
-forced vaginal sex: 2.1% 1.6%

Verbal Coercion: 22.0% almost 25.0%

http://feck-blog.blogspot.in/2011/05/predictors-of-sexual-coercion-against.html

“than the adolescent male, who is hopelessly overwhelmed by surging hormones.”

post-partum depression and infanticide is about hormones, boys will be boys is mansplaining.

Belfort Bax, whose works “The Legal Subjection of Men” and “The Fraud of Feminism” showed how power-hungry and flawed feminism was waaaay back at the start of the 20th century, wrote about how the feminists of his time were concerned that only the prostitute and not the john got punishment.

He framed the issue as of a man losing his hard-earned money under sexual impulse and the prostitute justly getting the law’s stick. Today in feminist hellholes like Sweden the situation is complete 180, the john gets the jail, prostitutes are free.

For all the talk feminism does about men being allowed to be weak and not the strong evil monsters that patriarchy forces them to be, its own end-result is demand of a stricter moral character of men only, one that can survive the onslaught of everyday skin-show that women do and at the same time agree with the feminists who demand “we want to be topless too, in the name of equality!!”.

The Taliban guys demanded it too, they were gender equalists with norms of public apparel, or even when it came to education; but they weren’t that loony that they would go the other way, let everybody run half-naked and then demand that men should repress their urges or desegregate school education, i.e. not only teachers but also students, so that hormonal adolescents are half thinking of the other sex.

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Mobile PT February 25, 2012 at 08:06

“The adolescent female has more control over whether she will have sex than the adolescent male”

Another thing we often hear about from women is how much more mature female teenagers are compared to boys. Thus, even if both are 16, for example, one would expect that the female be much more mature, and hence responsible, than the boy.

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doclove February 25, 2012 at 08:10

You have been reading my comments on previous articles on this website and maybe other websites, haven’t you? I agree that except for genuine rape, most sex is the responsibility of women especially if it is outside the confines of marriage. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again below.

A woman never needs to tell a man she is pregnant and he is possibly the father either legally or even if she must legally tell him it is unenforced and lightly punished if at all. A man has no say as to whether or not she gets an abortion. He can beg her to get an abortion or he can beg her not to get an abortion, and his words are meaningless at best in our society. If a man has sex with a woman who is not his wife, he has not promised in any way to support any resulting children. He has only agreed to sex. The children of any such sex will remain with her and bastard children have always been considered her children and not the biological father’s children. What is new and never existed before is child support enforced by the state under it’s government and under our ruling elite against the proles for the biological father to monetarily(and otherwise) pay her child support for children that do not live with him ever except for maybe weekends if he’s lucky. The only way he can get custody of the children is if she dies or is deemed by the state to be so inept, criminal or otherwise flawed which is extremely rare. The government is making it more difficult to declare the mother a poor parent no matter how much better the father as a parent is in the USA and elsewhere.

As you, W.F Price, have said before, there is little difference between how a married man with children going through a divorce is treated and how a biological father with bastard children is treated by the government. It’s all a set up for her. I beg to differ. A man is more likely to be punished with alimony and higher child support payments than if he is the biological father of bastard offspring. I’m not saying it will be worse, but the potential is always there for the married man with children. DNA testing is irrellevant in most states if you are married. Before 1965, there was fault divorce which one had to prove fault in order to divorce which was not always granted and was only granted under the most extreme circumstances. Before 1865, the husband and father got the children and house in most circumstances unless he was truly too flawed and the wife got shown the door to leave , and she almost never had to pay alimony or child support. After the American Civil War(1861-65), divorce rates started to rise from 1% or less to 10% just after the Spanish-American War(1898-1900). The wife usually got the house, children, alimony and child support payments after the American Civil War. As the Vietnam War(the USA’s portion of it) started the divorce rate shyrocketed to approximately 50% with no fault divorce being implemented. Approximately 70% of divorces are filed by women. The percentage of American women filing for divorce first has always been above 50% since the American Civil War.

Do you want marriage or bastard children or legitimate children under such a regime? Are you insane? Do you love humilation, pain and danger? Do you enjoy being treated as less than human by being treated as a sperm donor who must pay for it? do you enjoys being socially harmed? Do you enjoy being criminally harmed? Do you enjoy being financially harmed? Do you enjoy being psychologically, emotionally and spiritually being harmed? Go ahead and get married or cohabitate with a woman or produce children, and all of this and possibly worse could happen to you. You’ve been warned. Pass the word on to your fellow men and boys please.

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dragnet February 25, 2012 at 08:18

Women are the gatekeepers of sex. But they are not only gatekeepers when it comes to sex, (ie, they enjoy it just as much as men do). But it still doesn’t change the fact they are the gatekeepers.

This is a nuance that feminists can’t seem to wrap their heads around.

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WGMOW February 25, 2012 at 08:37

I don’t even see anthing debatable here. It is entirely the females who make the decision when and where to get knocked up, and then get child support from a man with the means to provide her with a bank account and credit cards seemingly for life. It there is no such man available she gets handouts from Big Daddy Government in the form of welfare, Sec 8 housing, free utilities, food stamps, free health care, free college education, and in some states, even a car.

These are the females that feminists say are “strong, powerful, and smart.” Bullshit. They are just as dependant as the females of the Victorian age. Then, they went from the care of their fathers into the care of their husbands. Now, they go from the care of their welfare mothers into the care of the government. All courtesy of our tax dollars.

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 08:40

First off.

Where have feminists claimed that men have higher sex drives?

I troll through and read many feminist sites and I don’t remember them ever outright claiming men have higher sex drives. Sometimes I have seen them claim the opposite.

I think I understand how you came to this conclusion, it follows from many of their arguments, but I would like to see some more info on this.

I just figure we need to be as fair and honest considering how much they lie we wouldn’t want to be accused of the same.

Second.

I have seen feminists and women in general talk on and on about their abusive relationships, which seem to range from character attacks based out of scorn from exes to what may have actually been abusive relationships.

Awhile back I had a epiphany of sorts.

It is obvious to most people which men are abusive or thugs and which aren’t. There may be some exceptions but having been a delinquent myself I know that many guys wear it like a badge of honor. Whether it’s leather jackets, motorcycles, piercings, tats, etc. they aren’t that hard to notice.

Now, you could say the same about women but unlike women men are told not to judge women based on things like clothes and appearance. It is drilled into us. I think most guys get burned by a crazy chick or two and then realize how to spot them, I will never date another woman with a tattoo on her tit for example.

Anyways, everytime some woman talks about what a deadbeat or asshole her ex was I am always tempted to ask one question.

Why did you CHOOSE to sleep with him or date him or have his kids etc..

Males compete against each other for the attention of women. Women choose which males are worthy of sex. This is basic evolution. It can be observed from peacocks to football.

Third.

It you look at the feminist arguments you will see that they basically claim they have a right to have sex. Think about that for a second.

Even if we divorce sex from reproduction that says quite a lot about how women view the world. If you add in reproduction then it says even more.

Much of the reproductive rights talk that feminists harp on about revolves around having the RIGHT to have children, with whom to have children by, and to choose the spacing and timing of having children.

Whether we look at sex for pleasure alone or sex for pleasure+reproduction, I have never seen a feminist comment about male consent, whether as individuals or a collective, with regards to their supposed human right to have intercourse.

Do they see men as all in a state of implied consent? Do many even think women view men as capable of giving consent? Or capable of withdrawing consent? Capable of being raped?

When I look at their arguments I rarely see them being non-solipsist and they rarely consider the male viewpoint. Not only do their arguments usually revolve around the concept of men’s bodies being public property available for the consumption of women whenever they want, but they also usually view the potential male sex partners as being inherently unworthy and therefore they ought to so gratitude for bestowing access to their bodies to the men.

So lets take a quick look at how they view reproductive/sexual rights.

First. Think about what the word right means in this context compared to other contexts the word is used in.

Now, in arguments where men talk about child support and/or how men don’t have in sway or ability to consent to fatherhood you will see the same argument all the time.

Basically it doesn’t matter to them. They will explain in circles about how child support is for the children and how men have a responsibility to be treated as ATM machines and utility devices and sperm donors. Basically they uphold the idea that, and advance the argument, that men should have absolutely no say in whether or not a child was brought into this world.

Now, look at the other side of the issue. Wanna guess what happens when you extend the same argument to women? Go talk to a feminist about how women should be forced to give birth, whether you want to talk about it in relation to making abortion illegal or not doesn’t matter.

You will see the same two or three arguments used.

Now, this shows me that women/feminists are not about equality, no matter how you want to define it, but are instead about power and control.

IMO, CONSENT TO SEX IS NOT CONSENT TO FATHERHOOD!!!!

HER BODY, HER CHOICE, HER RESPONSIBILITY!!!

Now, let’s look at some ways we could look at male reproductive/sexual rights. If we simply reversed the argument and claimed that men have a right to have sex or have children or even determine the spacing and timing of when to have their children, well, then….

We would probably be called rapists.

Think about that for a moment. We would be said to be trying to enslave women and use them as breeding machines/sex toys.

So, what does that really say about how women as a class view men, especially those women who advance the argument that they have a RIGHT to have sex and children???

Considering that they control the legal system, along with social and cultural and even biological, around this issue can it be said that men have the ability to withdraw consent? Can it be said that men as a class are not viewed as property to be used by women and girls? Sperm Donors and Walking Wallets?

How much agency do men actually have in the sexual arena?

I could go on and on but I think you guys get the point and this comment is long enough.

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 08:53

“Without some change in policy soon, the majority of all births in the United States will be illegitimate in a decade or so.”

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From my understanding we have already gone past the 50% mark as far as illegitimate children go.

I saw a article just the other day that said it was over 50 percent now, but I am not sure where I saw it or how the number was calculated.

It may have included divorced families in the single mother count.

I know that one of the last studies I looked at in depth was based on numbers from 2007 and it said that slightly more than 40% of educated while women in their 20s/30s had gone the single mother by choice route. With the rates in the black community you probably easily get over 50% when comparing all American women.

I would like to see a study that also included women who cuckold their husbands and commit paternity fraud. I have seen lower estimates that are around 10% and the highest number I saw was around 60% with most people setting somewhere in the middle around 20-33%.

Add all this together I am would bet money we have a rate above 50%.

I saw a breakdown in a reddit post the other day, wish I remembered where I saw it cause I would link it, that broke down the percentages of various things committed by people raised in single mother homes.

I do remember that one stat said that boys raised in fatherless homes are something like 33 times more likely to commit a VIOLENT crime than the ordinary person.

They even broke down the percentage in aggregate. I don’t remember the numbers but it was fucking scary when you bring it to the logical conclusion of what you will see in a few decades. It broke down how something like 90% of all crime was being committed by less than 10% or something(not actual numbers) of the people in or society.

The person making the comment even admitted that they were using numbers that were several decades too old.

Give it a decade, 2007 40% single mother by choice rate and those kids are now abou 5, and we are going to see a huge spike in crime. In two or three decades it is going to be astronomical.

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keyster February 25, 2012 at 09:49

Women are the victims, and men their victimizers.
She permitted vaginal access only because he verbally coerced her into doing it. She is sometimes helpless to this coercion and gives in only because he threatens her. He uses Patriarchal mind-manipulation to convince her to give in. She’s powerless over these techniques.

This is also how pimps control vulnerable young girls and coerce them to be “sex trafficked”. The USA is the “sex slave capital of the world”. According to Feminist Advocacy groups (that rely on government and corporate funding) it’s an epidemic. Innocent young girls are being plucked from our streets and chained to motel room beds to perform sex for money everyday.

Since we can’t seem to educate young girls about how stupid they are for falling for these “patriarchal mind tricks”, we need to incriminate the evil men that exploit their stupidity. They didn’t get the memo that women are now officially independent and empowered.

The latest “loop hole” is that if the state you’re busted in enforces “Safe Harbor”, you can claim you were coerced into prostitution by a pimp and you cannot be charged. We need to save these stupid young girls from wily evil men!

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 10:08

Another classic, Troll King.
(Decidedly, you are proficient in those…lol!!).

As far as crime is concerned, I still maintain some doubts. If you look at the primitive Mosuo tribe in South West China, the crime rate there is rather small or normal.

Since America is quickly becoming a matriarchy, much like the Indians of North and South America, I would expect the general population to act in a way that corresponds to primitive nations.

In my humble opinion, our desendants will pretty much live a primitive life, either in grass huts or skin tents.
Say good-bye America.

It’s not all that bad: Cherokee indians and Apaches were having much fun chasing buffalos. It’s a return to the wild West.
I think I wouldn’t mind too much a return to something more primitive and much less stress.

Things never are as bad as they seem. What’s is so enjoyable about working our asses off just to pay the taxes, the rent and the cars?
I think I would rather go fishing and hunting. Don’t you?

Hey, let’s face it: if women don’t want civilization anymore, why on earth should we complain??

And instead of ranting about how bad things are becoming, shouldn’t we rather flip the coin over and see the many advantages afforded by the end of men’s many responsibilities and “duties”?

Just wondering..

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 10:09

OT I guess.

Woman marries building. She even claims the building is a woman and that it is a gay marriage. Lololololololozzzzzzzzz.

Damn, women are getting crazier by the month.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/2012/01/30/seattle-woman-marries-warehouse-the-world-makes-jokes/

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W.F. Price February 25, 2012 at 10:39

From my understanding we have already gone past the 50% mark as far as illegitimate children go.

I saw a article just the other day that said it was over 50 percent now, but I am not sure where I saw it or how the number was calculated.

-Troll King

The majority of births to women under 30 (which is the majority of all births) are now illegitimate.

First off.

Where have feminists claimed that men have higher sex drives?

You’re right — they like to claim that the sex drives are “equal” (they aren’t), but they immediately turn around and say that men are more likely to cheat, more promiscuous, are demanding about sex, are desperate, etc., which is the same thing as saying they have a higher sex drive. They also like to insult guys by saying “you can’t get laid,” which is another clear indication that they know the score (e.g. “haha, I know you want it but you can’t get it”).

I removed the line attributing that to feminists, but the fact remains that feminists know full well that men have higher sex drives, and admit it all the time when they accuse men of the above behaviors and engage in shaming/mockery about men’s inability to get laid.

Troll King February 25, 2012 at 10:39

Rebel said:

“As far as crime is concerned, I still maintain some doubts. If you look at the primitive Mosuo tribe in South West China, the crime rate there is rather small or normal.”

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Yeah, they are a interesting group to look at.

They seem to be so far outside of the norm in so many ways that I am not convinced we can really extrapolate anything from them onto humanity at large.

All cultures find ways to place constraints on men and women, they just do so with regards to different things.

With women they place constraints and channel female sexuality into productive ways for the particular culture. This is marriage(almost always patrilineal and patrifocal) and other times prostitution to various degrees but not always. Patrilineal based reproduction is necessary for many reasons, one of the major reasons is to tame the men and channel them into productive activities.

With men they place constraints and channel emotions into productive outlets for the culture. This includes everything from sports to tame aggression due to male-male sexual competition for mates to stoicism needed for protection and so on. Another big area of this is in the formation of a fatherhood social construct.

This is basically all the root of patriarchy and more often than not it arises as a equalizing force between the sexes. It means fewer alphas having harems and also means that men are given the same social status as women since fatherhood is held to be as valuable or more valuable as motherhood.

The Mosuo seem to have bypassed the patriarchal element and the resulting fallout. From what I have read of them this is due to several things. There is heavy social forces placed on the men by the women. Also there is still a segregation of he men and women, so the element of brotherhood combined with a strong maternal or mother like conditioning probably plays a huge role.

You see similiar things in the matriarchal ghettos. How many black men or white for that matter hold their mothers in almost goddess like esteem? There are plenty of examples of poor men from single parent families making it big and buying their mothers houses and cars and whatnot.

Then there is also the brotherhood element in much of western matriarchal ghettoism. It just takes a more violent form in gangs.

I wonder if the Chinese government became more lenient and less totalitarian would we see the mosuo men become more territorial and violent?

While the Mosuo don’t have any concept of fatherhood, they do have some male roles. I remember reading a article talking about how a Mosuo woman said that men were handy and better at certain things, like selling livestock and doing heavy work and trading with the outside world.

That probably gives the men a bit of a identity and purpose in the community while in western matriarchal ghettoism men are seen as useless or deadbeats or worse.

Also, we are comparing rural non-industrialize (Mosuo) to a industrializzed nation. There are probably hundreds of things that can be said about that.

I gotta say, I am not optimistic about the future.

Anytime you have lots of pissed of or marginalize or even dead men things get really bad for everyone.

Many like to use the false premise that if 90% of men died we could repopulate but if 90% of women died we couldn’t. This isn’t even technically true. You need a lot more men due to the need for genetic diversity because without genetic diversity we would repopulate and then within a few generations die out due to a lack of diversity of genes and birth defects.

That’s not even to mention the breakdown in social and technical services and all the other things that men do to make the world go round.

Considering how much more likely men and women from single mother by choice and divorced families are to commit crimes and disfunction and the rate we have increased these families lately then I simply wonder where we will get the money to even jail people or support social systems like WIC or foodstamps or government housing.

We are already broke and when I think about it, it seems to me that we will bring in less tax dollars because we will have a more costly and larger pool of people that don’t produce but instead cost society. This will drain everything, especially the middle class if it even exists then to begin with.

The real question to me isn”t if, it is what percentage of America is going to look like a typical trailer park or urban ghetto?

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MRA February 25, 2012 at 10:46

This is very related to the sexual power women have over men, boys that age 11-12-13-14-15-16-17 have their hormones pumping like a V8 engine, is almost impossible for them to deny sex biologically speaking and women know this to take advantage, society almost see it like a “lucky boy” situation the porn industry sell it the theme “young boy old women” because is has less problem that barely legal girls, just Google “boy seduced by mature”.

Let me give you a example of sexual power of women, in Spain there are now some porn web sites dedicate to women who call for a service plumbing into the “amateur” category, electricity, pizza boy, then they start harassing the man/men/boy and they always fall for it and have sex, what they don’t know is they are being recorded, the site has a video of a adult women having sex with a 14 years old boy who is a friend’s son of the woman, there are some videos of women who fall for it but they fall using money, just one is fucked for free, take in consideration these women can accuse these men of rape, after all they are into the women’s house.

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 10:54

WF PRICE said:

“You’re right — they like to claim that the sex drives are “equal” (they aren’t), but they immediately turn around and say that men are more likely to cheat, more promiscuous, are demanding about sex, are desperate, etc., which is the same thing as saying they have a higher sex drive. They also like to insult guys by saying “you can’t get laid,” which is another clear indication that they know the score (e.g. “haha, I know you want it but you can’t get it”).

I removed the line attributing that to feminists, but the fact remains that feminists know full well that men have higher sex drives, and admit it all the time when they accuse men of the above behaviors and engage in shaming/mockery about men’s inability to get laid.”

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I wouldn’t have removed it, just added a addendum.

I actually thought you might get the idea from their talk about how 99% of rapists are men and how patriarchy encourages men to sexually assault/rape women and how men need to be socially re-engineered to express their violent and misogynistic sexuality in a healthy feminist way.

Or how they talk about objectification of women or street harassment and so on.

When you break it down there really isn’t much difference in how feminist women talk about male sexuality or masculinity v. how socon/tradcon women talk about it.

Just to look at masculinity, and all the ails and evils that accompany it, sexuality included, feminists seem to see it as a pathology in need of a cure. Tradcon women seem to see it as inherently uncivilized, while they see the only civilizing element being marriage and women.

As far as the sex drive issue, I don’t know what to think.

I tend to flip flop a lot.

If you look at various studies it becomes clear that testosterone increases sex drive. Even female to male transexuals have admitted that testosterone has had enormous impacts on their libido.

On the other hand, women do a shit ton of projecting on a sexual basis.

When I stand back and look at it, it almost becomes comical when you compare how much women talk about sex compared to men. My entire life I have heard women talk about “male lockerroom behavior” in relation to how men supposedly talk about sex behind womens back (how do thesse women know what happens in male lockeroom?). I have also heard them talk about men thinking with their small head, or about sex every seven seconds and so on.

But just stand back and take a honest look at who talks about sex more?

Is there a single female magazine or blog or even newspaper section that doesn’t have a sex and relationship section? Even with feminists sexuality probably encompasses 30% or more of their content.

If you look at the whole of female writing and media and female-oriented and produced content then it looks to me that the vast majority of it revolves around sex. Some may be couched in terms of romance or relationship advice, but it still revolves around sex.

Compare that to male-oriented and produced media and what do we have? Some porn here and there, but that isn’t quite in the same ballpark as what is considered mainstream and is probabaly about equal compared to female porn or written erotica (which btw, I understand is the hottest selling thing from amazon for the kindle).

So, we have playboy and a few PUAs here or there, a few poems and a couple of rock or rap songs. This still isn’t probably even 10 percent of male-oriented and produced media.

Can we really say that men are more sexual?

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 10:56

@ Troll King

“Woman marries building. She even claims the building is a woman and that it is a gay marriage. Lololololololozzzzzzzzz.”

And all that time, I thought that marriage was dead!

Silly me!

LOL!!!

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W.F. Price February 25, 2012 at 11:01

The other interesting question is whether it is worse for a man to sleep with an adolescent or for a woman to do likewise. AngryHarry who acknowledges his double-standard thinks it worse for the man to sleep with the adolescent. I suspect that attitude has more than a little to do with the fact that Fathers are possessive towards their daughters and do not like the idea that some man is enjoying the daughter sexually. Be that as it may, I take the opposite view, and for this reason: Women are fickle and women are programmed to marry older men (that is until they become voracious Cougars), but Men are programmed to be protective towards women and bond easily and lastingly with those they sleep with.

-Opus

Well, it gets back to who’s responsible, IMO. It used to be fairly well-accepted that teenage girls could be held responsible for their sexual behavior. A girl who made herself available to men was not looked upon as an innocent little angel, but rather a shameless hussy. Amongst themselves, women still agree with this assessment. Who really believes that a married woman wouldn’t be angry at a teenage girl who slept with her husband?

It’s really that men are being dopey about this. If you have a daughter, one of your jobs is to tell her that she’s responsible for her own sexual choices. Too many fathers give their daughters a pass and go after the guy. What good could that possibly do? The girl knows that she’ll never have to face any discomfort for being a slut because daddy will always blame the guy, so she’ll keep fooling around to her heart’s content, and maybe you’ll end up with a baby grandkid on your hands.

Say you had a son who was a real fatass, and every time he got some money he’d go to a store and buy ding-dongs. Would it do any good to go into the store and beat some shopkeeper’s ass every time you caught the kid with crumbs on his shirt? Of course not — he’d just find another store. But this is how guys who give their slutty daughters a pass are behaving.

Troll King February 25, 2012 at 11:03

@ rebel.

Its hilarious isn’t it.

Go and watch some of the video of her talking, she sounds dumb as a rock.

If she wasn’t such a attention whore then I might have some sympathy or atleast look at her message.

She did it as some sort of protest against gentrification. I don’t have much of a opinion on the issue, I can kinda see both sides.

But whatever argument she was trying to make got lost in all the stupidity.

I suspect we will see a lot more of this in the future as the marriage strike wages on. We have already seen women marry themselves.

One of the more interesting things to me on the gay marriage issue is that it is overwhelmingly lesbians who marry. Wonder why?/s

I am just waiting for a woman to marry her cat…lol…or a harem of cats…lolololz.

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 11:06

To end the argument once and for all:

The real reason women are never responsible for sex is simply that they are unable to do so.

Likewise, my dog is not responsible if I don’t pay my income taxes.

Same reason.

Don’t try to argue with a stone: the stone is unable to argue. Same thing with women. Same thing is lacking…

Capice?

What a silly question this was to begin with…

HO HO HO!!

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 11:11

“I am just waiting for a woman to marry her cat…lol…or a harem of cats…lolololz.”

Three or four years ago, a woman in Britain married a (male) dolphin.
I don’t know how the mating ceremony ended, though.

And this Dutch painter who married herself?

But this one here beats them all..

Hey, can’t stop progress, can you?
LOL!

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Opus February 25, 2012 at 11:21

@W.F.

So which is right: Do women have as high a sex-drive as men? I am going to suggest that if they do, then they deal with it in a rather different way . If you are a good looking girl, then you are going to get a lot of attention, which means that firstly you can pick and choose and secondly you can bask in the power that that gives you. I know one girl, not my cup-of-tea, but probably a 9 who even had a Roman Catholic Priest chasing her. She led a friend of mine a dance for a number of years and then, passing up a New York Banker decided in her mid-thirties to settle for a Doctor, which for a peasant village-girl (she was Spanish) was definitley a step up.

Compare that with a more average looking girl, who is less able to attract the kind of male attention she craves. She has to forgo the power, or rather obtain such power as she can from puting out. All she gets however, usually is the sex, (being pump and dump material) and does not, as her MMV plummets, get to marry the Doctor.

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Somehow Somewhat February 25, 2012 at 11:21

@Keyster,

“She is sometimes helpless to this coercion and gives in only because he threatens her. He uses Patriarchal mind-manipulation to convince her to give in. She’s powerless over these techniques…”

Your satirical comment is a masterstroke! It was as if you wrote the following Canadian story! “Man arrested after luring woman into prostitution”
http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120224/CGY_prostitution_broecker_120224/20120224?hub=CalgaryHome

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 11:28

Oh shit. I posted before googling.

It isn’t a cat but still.

Woman Marries Dog:

http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/07/08/woman-marries-her-dog-seriously/?icid=main|main|dl5|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemondrop.com%2F2009%2F07%2F08%2Fwoman-marries-her-dog-seriously%2F

To quote:

“Uh, what? Yeah, this actually happened. Says the blushing bride (ew) Emily Mabou, 29: “For so long I’ve been praying for a life with a partner who has all the qualities of my dad. My dad was kind, faithful and loyal to my mum, and he never let her down.”

Don’t see how this translates into marrying your dog? Read on! Mabou claims that her relationships have all been with “skirt-chasers and cheaters.”
[...]
When asked about her plans for babies, Maribou responded, “We’ll adopt.” Fantastic! Next story: Woman and Golden Retriever Adopt Twins. Gross. Weird. Disturbing. Any more adjectives we forgot?”

Bwahahahahahahahah…lololozzz….

So, she was basically pumped and dumped by players during her prime years to the point that she decided she would rather marry her dog….ahahahahahaha…I can’t stop laughing… One of the top comments:

To quote:

“Wednesday 08 July
By steveHighest RankReportPositiveNegative
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big deal….i was married to a bitch for 10 years”

Ahahahaha…wow.

There’s more too.

This site is sarcastic but still.
http://marrymycat.com/home

Gawd it gets better…

Woman Marries Dolphin.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/woman-marries-dolphin/2006/01/01/1136050339590.html

To quote:

“Sharon Tendler met Cindy 15 years ago. She said it was love at first sight. This week she finally took the plunge and proposed. The lucky “guy” plunged right back.

In a modest ceremony at Dolphin Reef in the southern Israeli port of Eilat, Tendler, a 41-year-old British citizen, apparently became the world’s first person to “marry” a dolphin.

Dressed in a white dress, a veil and pink flowers in her hair, Tendler got down on one knee on the dock and gave Cindy a kiss. And a piece of herring.

“It’s not a perverted thing. I do love this dolphin. He’s the love of my life,” she said Saturday, upon her return to London.

[...]

When asked in the past if she had a boyfriend, she would always reply, “No. I’m going to end up with Cindy.” On Wednesday, she made it official, sort of. While she acknowledged the “wedding” had no legal bearing she did say it reflected her deep feelings toward the bottlenosed, 35-year-old object of her affection.

“It’s not a bad thing. It just something that we did because I love him, but not in the way that you love a man. It’s just a pure love that I have for this animal,” she said.

While she still kept open the option of “marrying human” at some stage, she said for now she was strictly a “one-dolphin woman”.

She’s hardly the jealous type, though.

“He will still play with all the other girls there,” she said, of their prenuptial agreement. “I hope he has a lot of baby dolphins with the other dolphins. The more dolphins the better.””

Oh wow. She even admits that women can’t have pure love for men, cause we are basically marks for them, utility devices and walking wallets and sperm donors etc..

God, the woman is well past her prime at 41 and the best she can do is flipper…lolz..

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 11:29

Oh yeah….this is only a forum post but it does claim a woman married one of her cats and even had her husband give her away at the wedding….WTF?

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=746931

Damn…lolololozzzzzz

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 11:36

@Rebel, I just posted a few links and included the woman who married the dolphin. It is in moderation now but will probably be out soon.

crazy stuff bro. I am still laughing my ass off after googling that stuff. Just what I needed for a cold overcast afternoon.

I had heard a few stories of men being forced to marry animals but there’s a big difference between those stories and the ones I linked to in my post. First, they all took place in developing countries and in rural areas and even more in areas with very strict rules regarding sex and marriage. One or two that I had heard about were guys who got caught with a neighbors goat or farm animal and then were forced to pay a dowry while a “cleansing” ceremony was performing….basically by killing or drowning the animal.

Maybe men really do have a higher sex drive. When they can’t get women and don’t have access to porn a few guys will turn to sheep or goats for a sexual release.

But compare that to women living in the most sexually open areas in the western world and some women will marry dogs, or dolphins or buildings…I mean, WTF?

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Somehow Somewhat February 25, 2012 at 11:40

Back to the original post: “Who is More Responsible for Sex?”

Refer to Briffault’s Law and its collolaries at “The Rosetta Stone of Women’s Behavior”
http://www.stickmanweekly.com/ReadersSubmissions2009/reader5546.htm

“The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.” — Briffault’s Law.

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keyster February 25, 2012 at 11:42

“Since America is quickly becoming a matriarchy, much like the Indians of North and South America, I would expect the general population to act in a way that corresponds to primitive nations.”

America is a “soft” matriarchy where government defers to women and their concerns, as an “indentifiable special interest group” and single largest voting bloc, are met first and foremost.

Indian tribes of recent history were never matriarchal. (They often traded their wives and daughters to settlers.) There was never any Female Indian Leadership. The Squaw had her place.

Today, as a distinctly segregated group, they’re completely dysfunctional due mostly to the ravishes of alcohol. Out of “white guilt” our government keeps them dependent and subsisting on barren reservations. Certian elite groups of them control and profit from their Indian Casinos; these are all “tribal leaders” (aka-Men).

What happening is that we’re becoming a society with two classes; the tax payer and the tax consumer. For the first time in our history, half our citizenry pays no income tax. It can’t last. The noble fantasy of a glorious melting pot of cultures co-existing in harmony is coming to an end. There will be a Balkanization of states or groups of states, as the federal government collapses under it’s own weight of debt and loses its power.

It won’t be a primative life style, but consideribly less affluent.

It’s starting to happen right now. In some states gas is $5.00 a gallon in others $3.00 right now. That’s because the liberal-enviro-nuts on the east and west coasts have banned drilling and are depending on the foreign markets for supply. In midwest states its cheaper because we’re buying and refining the oil locally and from Canada.

Globalization assumed no one could do anything better or cheaper than the USA; but as the other boats rise, the SS America sinks down.

Re-electing Obama will hasten our demise as we’re looking at a $20 Trillion debt by 2014, and the interest alone on that debt will be more than we currently put into Medicare/Medicaid. Unsustainable as our GDP is $24 Trillion. Once debt exceeds GDP, who’d keep loaning us money?

Electing Romney will only slow it down slightly more. Instead of collapsing around 2020, it might be 2024 or so. Suffice to say its coming, and very few citizens here seem to be concerned about it.

Meanwhile do you know who they’re wearing on the red carpet at this year’s Academy Awards? I heard Gwyneth Paltrow will be in a gold sequined Vera Wang, but that’s just a rumor.

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W.F. Price February 25, 2012 at 11:54

@W.F.

So which is right: Do women have as high a sex-drive as men? I am going to suggest that if they do, then they deal with it in a rather different way . If you are a good looking girl, then you are going to get a lot of attention, which means that firstly you can pick and choose and secondly you can bask in the power that that gives you.

-Opus

No, their sex-drive is not as high as men’s, or you could say that it’s of an entirely different kind. Men are wired to pursue sex in a way that women are not. Women are turned on by being desired/desirable. They are not compelled to “go out and get it” to anywhere near the degree men are. I don’t think they even understand the feeling. However, they certainly enjoy the amorous attention from men — the more the better. It is really their pleasure to discern, which is why they love to be the center of men’s attention (incidentally, I suspect it’s also why they like shopping so much). They demand this “right” constantly, yet they shed all responsibility once they’ve made their choice if you give them the opportunity.

GT66 February 25, 2012 at 11:56

W.F. Price: “They also like to insult guys by saying “you can’t get laid,” which is another clear indication that they know the score (e.g. “haha, I know you want it but you can’t get it”). ”

The female shaming tactic of claiming a man is desperate and can’t get laid only really works on the younger guys who by virtue of being young, have not yet experienced the desperation of a woman whose biological clock is ticking or who is rapidly aging out of her SMV. Once a man reaches a maturity level to have witnessed true female sexual desperation, any idea of male desperation becomes insignificant in the shadow of that particular mountain.

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Opus February 25, 2012 at 12:10

@W.F.

I do not think , although we have expressed it differently that there is any disagreement between us. The following seems to me to be typical of men: We are turned on by images of females, which sexually excite us, and which we deal with without resorting to Rape; although we mean to be faithful we are capable of having more than one woman in tow at any time without thinking the worse of number one woman; we spend vast amounts of money on Pornography and Prostitution and generally trying to ingratiate ourselves with females; we will happily have sex with a stranger who we have only just met – and we have the onerous task of getting wood. Women by comparrison do not generally view porn, rent time with gigolos, spend money on men, have more than one man, or sleep with strangers, especially if they think their reputation will suffer. Further: They do not have to do much when it comes to sex, which is why a female prostitute can happily service twenty or forty clients a day – I even came across, the other day, a porno actress yawning in the middle of a porno gang-bang! So much for female sexual desire.

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 12:31

As far as sex drive goes, I agree with WF Price that they are simply different.

First look at the physiological components. Women are born with all the eggs they will ever have. Men create sperm by the millions every day.

This probably explains, or is atleast one explanation, to why men masturbate more and need sexual release more than women.

I remember several years ago Hugh Hefner got into a argument with some feminists. They said something or other about female objectification and he responded that ofcourse were were sex objects.

He went into detail about how women are sexual creatures and sex objects because their entire physiology is based around reproduction. This didn’t sit well with feminists to say the least.

This was right around when I became interested in these issues, I wish I remembered where I saw it or read it cause I would post it.

In my opinion women constantly have sex on the mind to one degree or another. Whether it is dressing sexily to attract the attention of all men or just one man or to make other women jealous to up her spot in the female herds hierarchy, they flaunt it.

Then there is all the sizing up of men they do and the gossiping and flirting. They are constantly sizing men up as potential fathers and providers, or for opportunities to trade up. I think this behavior is due to being reproductive machines.

They may not be going out and chasing after guy after guy like many men do, but from everything I have seen of women around me they are definately sexual creatures….in some ways more than men.

Hell, there is a reason that so many pregnancies are unplanned. It is around 40-60% from what I have seen. If women really truly didn’t want to get pregnant they simply wouldn’t. They have dozens of options to prevent pregnancy.

One of the biggest differences between male and female sexuality is that female sexuality is covert. I gotta post this study:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3936-fake-liedetector-reveals-womens-sex-lies.html

To quote:

“Women are more likely than men to lie about their sex lives, reveals a new study. Women’s coyness about their sexual behaviour was unveiled by a US study involving a fake lie detector test.

In surveys since the 1960s, men typically report having more sexual partners and than do women – a statistically impossible feat. For example, British men boast an average of 13 partners over a lifetime compared with an average of nine partners for women.

Scientists previously explained this anomaly by suggesting men were exaggerating their tally, while women were understating their total. But now Terri Fisher at Ohio State University and Michele Alexander at the University of Maine suggest that men are in fact more truthful in such surveys.

Women change their answers depending on whether or not they believe they will be caught out not telling the truth, the researchers found. The number of sexual partners a woman reported nearly doubled when women thought they were hooked up to a lie detector machine.

“Women are more sensitive to social expectations for their sexual behaviour and may be less than honest when asked about their behaviour in some survey conditions,” says Fisher, a psychologist. She says women appeared to feel under pressure to meet expectations of being more relationship-orientated and not promiscuous.

Completely anonymous
Fisher and Alexander surveyed over 200 unmarried, heterosexual college students aged 18 to 25.

One group filled in questionnaires having been told the researcher might view their responses. A second group filled in the survey completely anonymously, alone in a room.

A third group had electrodes placed on their hand, forearms and neck and were told they were being attached to a polygraph or lie detector machine – although there was in fact no working machine.

Women who thought their responses might be read said they had had an average of 2.6 sexual partners, compared with 3.4 partners for those who thought their answers were anonymous. But those who thought they would be caught out by the polygraph reported an average of 4.4 partners.

In contrast, men’s answers did not vary significantly. Those attached to the lie-detector reported an average of 4.0 partners compared with 3.7 for men who thought their answers would be read”

Now, I think male and female sexuality is inherently different but if we do go on the premise that we are more alike than different, as feminists claim, then how can we determine the average libido of men v. women when women are fuckin liars?

They can blame it on social factors all they want, but there are other more convincing explanations found in biology and they all revolve around cuckoldry.

When women lived in communities that were tightly knit they couldn’t very well lie about their number because the suitor woulf find out…especially back when we had male spaces. I suspect there are quite a few reasons women as a group don’t want male-only spaces where men can talk absent of female monitoring.

These days you can’t trust the number she might give you cause we are so spread out. This is especially true if you live in any city or metropolitan areas.

These lie detector based tests are really interesting, but there is one major flaw. They still COULD HAVE LIED!!! The lie detector was a fake! It’s not like women have ever doubled down on lies when pressed/s. We see it all the time in false rape claims.

To me the fact that women as a group lie about their sex and present their sexual nature in covert ways just reinforces the fact that they control sex. They know that men are squeamish about female promiscuousness so they lie about it to further manipulate and control men.

If they are going to control and use sex like that then they morally have a responsibility towards men to do so in a ethical and moral fashion…aka, no fucking lying. No paternity fraud, etc.

This article is great in that it asks who is responsible but lets take it to another step and talk about ethical and moral responsibilities that go along with controlling sex. There are so many issues linked to this, from stds to pregnancy to sexually harassing men by dressing like sluts(women know what they are doing when they stick their cleavage in your face hoping for a tip or a raise or favor or etc.).

I personally wish that they would do some follow up studies with the lie detectors. Maybe recreate it as is and then add two more categories. Place them in a real lie detector and then place them in a fMRI machine and look at the parts of the brain that deal with lying and truth.

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Mickey T February 25, 2012 at 12:32

Women get the pay.
Men get to pay.

And they’ll make damn sure it stays that way.

Your 4 point breakdown, WF, is not much more than a partial illustration of how the female manipulates the male. Even the best of skeptics believe it.

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 12:37

Women by comparrison do not generally view porn, rent time with gigolos, spend money on men, have more than one man, or sleep with strangers, especially if they think their reputation will suffer

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Really opus?

If anything women cheat more than men do, they are just more covert about it. Take a look at the cuckold rates. I do agree with the reputation aspect but this is becoming something of the past, especially with women of my generation.

Over a decade ago in HS I had a female friend who would boast about fucking two different guys in one night, neither knew of the other, as hook ups. I have known girls in HS and college and out that boast about stringing two or more guys along just in case their primary guy dumps them. Then they complain and wonder why their “bf” dumped them after seeing them flirt with other guys infront of him…dumb bitches can’t connect the dots.

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 12:39

@ WF Price.

Your comment about desire made me remember something a friend said to me once, and I have seen similiar things said in the MRM.

For men sex is a physical need.

For women sex is a emotional desire.

While I don’t think it is exactly true, I do think it sums up the way that men and women view sex. If men don’t find a release our body will do it for us in the form of a nocturnal emission. Women don’t have anything similiar.

For them it is about narcissism.

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Mickey T February 25, 2012 at 12:41

“For women sex is an emotional desire.”

Amazing what a $20 vibrator will do.

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 12:56

@Mickey T

“Amazing what a $20 vibrator will do.”

One more thing they have usurped:

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/06-02-2012/120425-vibrator-0/

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Mickey T February 25, 2012 at 12:57

A while back I used to see a woman who came to my place of business on a regular basis. She used to get off from work earlier than I did and we spent about an hour or so in the back room together

After about 3 orgasms (her)I lost track of them. She also achieved orgasms through manipulation of her breasts. Yes, it’s true.

One day, as she was leaving after a good session, I said: You don’t need your vibrator anymore, do you? She paused, gave me a good hard look and said: “That got me through some pretty difficult times”

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 13:02

@Troll King:

If you like to have a good laugh, then by all means, you’re a bro.

Here’s something that will make you split a gut…:

http://www.marryyourpet.com/

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Ted February 25, 2012 at 13:05

“Who is More Responsible?”

To be responsible, you have to do something, of your own volition. There is a built-in difference here between the sexes, because men do, and women are.

A girl, a child, does not have to do anything of her own volition to have a sexual effect; she just has to grow into maturity. Nature does the rest. She need not even be aware of it. Of course, she soon does becomes aware and then has to learn to handle her stuff effectively. Before this happens, though, she can’t be held responsible for sex, because she doesn’t *do* anything. You can’t hold her responsible for being attractive; there’s not much she can do about it.

Men, on the other hand, when faced with an attractive woman, need to go get her. Or not. So they have to decide to do something, or they may choose not to do anything. The fact that this choice exists means that responsibility can be attributed. This is where to societal perception of men’s general responsibility comes from.

An older woman who has learned to handle her assets properly can choose to act in ways that she knows will play on men’s sensibilities. She can, if so inclined, exploit the relative ignorance of young men. She can be held responsible for this, and sometimes is, usually by other women who are well aware of what’s going on, even if the men aren’t.

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 13:11

Rebel said:

“One more thing they have usurped:”

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Bitches. Men worked themselves to the point their muscles were tired, so a man created a massage device to help overworked men.

Then women get ahold of it and use it for sexual release.

About women going to doctors to be “cured of hysteria”, (something that was thought to affect men too, and is defined by E. Belford Bax and uncontrollable emotions and irrationality), isn’t it interesting how feminists never point out the obvious. Even early suffragettes and first wavers talked of men being cheaters to their wives but women in mass were systematically cheating on their husbands.

Figures.

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 13:24

@Opus

“So which is right: Do women have as high a sex-drive as men? I am going to suggest that if they do, then they deal with it in a rather different way .”

The answer is easy. Just look around. Observe animals in their habitual habitat:

Let’s take one animal: say, a polar bear.

A female is in heat. Her genitals exude a smell that attracts males.
A male happens to be around and runs to the female. The female, being in heat, will mate dozens of times until she is pregnant.
Then her genitals stop producing those sweet perfumes that intaxicated the male: he splits.
End of story.

Human females are barely different. Or are they?

Want to take another animal? A dog? A monkey?
All the same, just the same.

So easy.

Sex is the most basic instinct, the most animalistic.

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Oddsock February 25, 2012 at 13:31

Rebel

Er,,, and what about sheep ?

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 13:37

@ rebel.

Did you look at the gallery page? 2 of 9 photos show men, all the rest are women and one married twin cats…lolz.

http://www.marryyourpet.com/

Click on wedding calender. Four of the women, out of 7 women, married cats. lololololololololol

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 13:41

@Oddsock
Rebel
Er,,, and what about sheep ?

Much the same as sheeple, I would say.

But I know somewhat less about sheeps than about polar bears. It’s a question of geography: for instance, in North Africa, they know more about camels. In Australia, it’s the giant grass hoppers. In Tasmania… OMG!!

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 13:44

@Troll King :

There are two sides to feminism. Polar opposites.
I love the hilarious part. The other part I use when constipated.

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td9red February 25, 2012 at 13:47

I agree that women have more responsibility for sex than men. However, I don’t agree that women are solely responsible for sex and men have no responsibility.

Women absolutely have more control over preventing pregnancy than men. Nearly, all the available birth control options are for women. I agree fully with the idea of the so-called male abortion. I think that within 30 days of learning about a pregnancy the women should have to advise the man, if he is known. He than has 30 days to decide if he wants to be a part of the kids life. If he does not, he signs something terminating his parental rights. This termination is final. If he does want to be a part of the kids life. He will share custody 50/50 and pay child support according to what he can pay.

Once a male birth control pill is on the market than the pendulum shifts back to equilibrium and men would be equally responsible for unwanted pergnancy. I still think the male abortion option would be appropriate.

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Oddsock February 25, 2012 at 13:59

Rebel

“A female is in heat. Her genitals exude a smell that attracts males ”

Yes, I have noticed that smell with Angry Izzy, a sort of burning plastic odour !

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Buh February 25, 2012 at 14:09

Mr. Price, this article is a concise, powerful piece of social theory. It’s a shame that our culture would treat it as hate literature.

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namae nanka February 25, 2012 at 14:10

“First look at the physiological components. Women are born with all the eggs they will ever have. Men create sperm by the millions every day.

This probably explains, or is atleast one explanation, to why men masturbate more and need sexual release more than women.”

Women can’t control release of their eggs, men can be either Don Juan or monk if they so please, to paraphrase from Weininger.

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Anonymouse February 25, 2012 at 14:11

This society revolves around entrenching the bigots point of view into the social model, that masculine beauty, masculine sexuality and masculine identity are not to be valued as much as the female’s. Cowards, liars, misfits and theives are given time, space, encouragement and nourishment by dint of this false idea.

Elsewhere, wholesome masculinity and fully rounded masculine identity are much more highly valued and highly sort after. Therefor in such lands, the women are much more modest about whatever little boasts they can make of theirs, knowing full well that their men are just as well endowed by nature too.

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 14:16

namae nanka said:

“Women can’t control release of their eggs, men can be either Don Juan or monk if they so please, to paraphrase from Weininger.”

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Yep. Even more they become hornier during their period and the type of men they select for changes during the month based on the release of hormones.

Some studies point to how womens sexuality is much more fluid than men’s while men’s tends to be static and almost singular. ex/ If a man is attracted only to blondes then he doesn’t find himself attracted to brunettes one week out of the month…same with boobs or ass guys or whatever.

So, I guess, in some ways you could say that women are sexual but doen’t have much of a sexual identity while men have a rigid sexual identity but are less sexual…IDK? Whadda ya think?

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 14:28

“Yes, I have noticed that smell with Angry Izzy, a sort of burning plastic odour !”

There’s a slight problem:
In an “ad lib” sort of way, I would say:”Add lube”.

And I’m not being lubric.

(Bordel de merde!)

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 14:29

This is offtopic but Fuckin fuckity man…wtf?

Man arrested at hsi daughters school after he shows up to pick her up, detained and strip searched….why you might ask?

His daughter drew a picture of a gun?? WTF????????

http://www.therecord.com/news/local/article/676150–man-shocked-by-arrest-after-daughter-draws-picture-of-gun-at-school

I mean, WtF? This is all kinds of crazy…I don’t even know.

Some quotes:

” A Kitchener father is upset that police arrested him at his children’s’ school Wednesday, hauled him down to the station and strip-searched him, all because his four-year-old daughter drew a picture of a gun at school.

“I’m picking up my kids and then, next thing you know, I’m locked up,” Jessie Sansone, 26, said Thursday.

“I was in shock. This is completely insane. My daughter drew a gun on a piece of paper at school.”

The school principal, police and child welfare officials, however, all stand by their actions. They said they had to investigate to determine whether there was a gun in Sansone’s house that children had access to.

“From a public safety point of view, any child drawing a picture of guns and saying there’s guns in a home would warrant some further conversation with the parents and child,” said Alison Scott, executive director of Family and Children’s Services.

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Sansone thinks police overreacted. He didn’t find out until hours after his arrest what had actually sparked the incident.

He said he went to the school Wednesday afternoon to pick up his three children. He was summoned to the principal’s office where three police officers were waiting. They said he was being charged with possession of a firearm.

He was escorted from the school, handcuffed and put in the back of a cruiser.

At the same time, other police officers went to his home, where his wife and 15-month-old child were waiting for his return.

They made his wife come to the police station while the other three children were taken to Family and Children’s Services to be interviewed.

“Nobody was given any explanation,” said his wife, Stephanie Squires. “I didn’t know why he was being arrested.

“He had absolutely no idea what this was even about. I just kept telling them. ‘You’re making a mistake.’ ”

At the police station, Sansone talked to a lawyer who said only that he was being charged with possession of a firearm, Sansone said.

He kept asking questions. He was given a blanket and told he would appear before a judge in the morning to post bail.

“I was getting pretty scared at that point,” Sansone said. “It seemed like I was actually being charged at this point.”

He was forced to remove his clothes for a full strip search.

Several hours later, a detective apologized and said he was being released with no charges, Sansone said.

The detective told him that his four-year-old daughter had drawn a picture of a man holding a gun. When a teacher asked her who the man was, the girl replied, “That’s my daddy’s. He uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters.”

“To be honest with you, I broke down,” Sansone said. “My character got put down so much. I was actually really hurt, like it could happen that easy.

“How do you recognize a criminal from a father?’’

He said he thought he had good relations with the principal who offered him a job last year counselling students at the school.

“We’re educated,’’ he said. “I’m a certified PSW (personal support worker) and a life issues counsellor. I go into schools to try to make a difference.’’

After he was released, Sansone was asked to sign a paper authorizing a search of his home. He signed, even though he didn’t have to, he said.

“I just think they blew it out of proportion,’’ Squires said. “It was for absolutely nothing. They searched our house upside down and found nothing. They had the assumption he owned a firearm.

“The way everything happened was completely unnecessary, especially since we know the school very well. I don’t understand how they came to that conclusion from a four-year-old’s drawing.’’

Scott, of Family and Children’s Services, said the agency was obligated to investigate after getting a report from the school.

“Our community would have an expectation if comments are made about a gun in a house, we’d be obligated to investigate that to ensure everything is safe.”

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As for the strip search, Thaler said it was done “for officer safety, because it’s a firearms-related incident.

“At the point in the investigation when it was determined it was not a real firearm, the individual was released unconditionally,” he said.”

WTF is the guy gonna do, shove a AR-15 up his asshole? Maybe he’ll position it in his colon right next the the grenades, C-4, and Bazookas.

What the fuck. His daughter uses her imagination to see her father as a protector of her and some bitch of a teacher in a feminized education system and misandric and corrupt police and family services people use a fuckin picture to have the guy arrested, strip searched, humiliated infront of his wife and childre and the community and the illegally searched while he waits in jail…

All over a fucking drawing by a four year old???? I don’t even know.

I don’t want to live on this planet anymore. This is just FUBAR.

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Oddsock February 25, 2012 at 14:32

Rebel

Bordel de merde!

Stop being a clever dicky and speak properer englander !

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fmz February 25, 2012 at 14:39

“he didn’t have to sleep with her.”

Nor she with him.

They can trap men or rape male minors and then send them a bill, but they cant do too much of it, else they’ll be necking the golden geese before they start laying. Puting more people on the bread line, burning rome from both ends.

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Oddsock February 25, 2012 at 14:43

Troll King.

The atricle has already been posted mate but, just for the record, this is a perfect example of why, despite Mr Price’s good intentions in a recent topic about giving advice to young fathers. When you see the scale ( as shown in the article ) of the weaponry ( no pun intended) easily brought to bear on a father even just for a very very slight suspicion. Just imagine what an ex wife/girlfriend could unleash ? Especially on some poor unsuspecting shmuck that still thinks he has rights and people will treat him with respect and fairness if he just displays good fathering skills.

Course NAWALT. The question you have to ask yourself is ; Do you feel lucky ? Keeping in mind, not all landmines detonate,,, immediately.

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Anon February 25, 2012 at 14:44

Men have a higher sex drive than women
Men have less control over their sexual impulses

I disagree with those who believe this…

That serial killers get love letters from thousands of women is indicative of how women have less self-control in this area than men. Even the horniest teenage boy does not stoop to conduct this shocking.

Men are the only humans who ever left the animal kingdom.

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Mickey T February 25, 2012 at 14:46

“…..they deal with it in a different way.”

Of all the primates, I believe, the human female is the only one who gives no obvious indication that she is ready. That’s an unfair advantage right off the bat (blame nature). They not only emit smells, but the genital area might swell up and/or turn bright red etc.

Other than their behavior, which is unreliable, I can tell of a indication (some cases) that a human woman is “ready”. Some here already know about it and some may considerate as unusable information and/or disgusting. It pertains to women who have a pretty severe yeast infection. When a woman is sexually aroused her vagina secrets a lubricant. This lubricant, along with some infected material works it’s way out to the surface. She “gets wet”. The odor is very unpleasant and has a fishy smell. You must be pretty close to her to smell it, but I’ve known some girls who could clear out a room.

I believe most woman have a yeast infection to some degree. So, take it for what it’s worth.

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Troll King February 25, 2012 at 14:48

@oddsock.

Hmm…I didnt see it in any comment sections. I saw it posted a few times on reddit/mensrights but hadn’t read it until just a few moments ago.

It is absolutely crazy. I would like to see a article written on it. I might try to put one together but I honestly don’t know where to start.

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Oddsock February 25, 2012 at 15:04

Troll King

With respect mate. This is why I made comment a while back regarding a pattern or cycle that guys seem to go through when they become involved with MRA people and websites. Usually it starts off with disbelief then shock and horror than anger fire and brimstone then disilusionment then back to anger. Eventually a calm is reached and a choice is made, often it is to withdraw and go ghost or GTOW. A confusing time really seeing as while a guy is going through this he is being bombarded by insults petty arguments and many others telling him what he should have done and what they would have done etc etc. Everyone is at a different stage, hence why I say, we are all recovering manginas.

Things like you witnessed in this particular article have been going on for a very long time, you can no doubt find much worse things have happened and to quite a few guys on here and other MRA websites.

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woggy February 25, 2012 at 15:19

Probably going to get lampooned for saying this, but the idea of women being the gatekeepers of sex got left in the ditch when they declared their own sexual liberation.
That “gatekeeper” stuff goes back to when a suitor had to impress her Dad and no one spoke openly of sex until marriage.

A gatekeeper is one who safeguards, and while our great grandmothers were guarding their chastity, they were also guarding much more : the honorability of a long abandoned, unspoken social contract where once she committed to great grandpa, she would NOT relish the idea of saying “NO”, just to gain control over him or simply to be a ball busting bitch.

I, for one, will NEVER bestow honor on a modern woman by referring to her as a “gatekeeper”.
“Toll collector”?
Now we’re getting warm.

Who’s responsible for sex?
Legally it should be both.
I’m not sure what the legal attitude might be, but it seems that society still believes it’s the woman – with every single man drooling while attempting to storm the Castle Vajajay.
I’m certain that is why many, if not most, in society feel that a woman can’t possibly rape a man.

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dejour February 25, 2012 at 15:20

I’ll agree that in general it’s harder for a man to say “no” to sex than for a woman, so in a sense women are more responsible for sex having occurred.

But I would be happiest if men and women were held to be equally responsible for sex. So if two people have consensual sex while intoxicated – neither party would be viewed as a rapist or a victim. (There is definitely an idea out there that in such a case the man is a borderline rapist and the woman is a borderline victim).

IMO, the law works best when everyone is presumed to be equally capable of restraint. To go the other way would open the door up to all sorts of silliness.

eg. Poor men commit more murders than women or rich men – therefore poor male murderers are less responsible, and should be punished less severely.

eg 2. Men have been taught not to hit girls from an early age, while women have not been taught the reverse. Therefore, men find it easier to refrain from hitting women than the reverse. Therefore, men who hit women should be punished more severely than women who hit men.

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W.F. Price February 25, 2012 at 16:01

IMO, the law works best when everyone is presumed to be equally capable of restraint. To go the other way would open the door up to all sorts of silliness.

eg. Poor men commit more murders than women or rich men – therefore poor male murderers are less responsible, and should be punished less severely.

-dejour

That’s a very good point, and it brings up another issue regarding the inherent limitations of law.

Rebel February 25, 2012 at 16:12

“Men are the only humans who ever left the animal kingdom.”

A gem.

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greyghost February 25, 2012 at 16:16

@Jennifer
“Pretty strong argument, Troll King, I may save it. Sex indeed is not consent to fatherhood. However, if an accident happens and the woman gets pregnant and has to take care of the kid whether she likes it or not, it makes sense that she wants the father to help too. In other words, he didn’t ask for it, but neither did she.”
What is this neither did she stuff? i ‘m going to assume you are a woman and Im going to tell you something mommy and /or daddy should have told you when you first started bleeding. on a regular basis. A woman has 100% positive control over when she gets pregnant. she has full knowledge and control over any and all birth control including the man. ( if the guy got his balls clipped it wouldn’t matter anyway for what we are talking about) So what that means is the only way a waomen can get pregnant by accident is if she is fucking stupid or irresponsible. Up until 1554 you were a stupid woman or a piece of shit trying to suck up the air on welmers comment. But greyghost in a fit of whiteknighting has come come to rescue. You are now educated cultured and will no longer post stupid shit about women getting pregnant. BTW if you manage to get knocked by accident after today you did so on purpose and any claims to accident will show you are a devious lying slut or an irresponsible whore either way you are now too well educated for that stupid bitch stuff.
You have now been sexually empowered by an MRA of all people. So get on that cock carousel and ride with confidence. Tell your parents you’re welcome for me ,and I don’t mind because I just hate stupid irresponsible women almost as much as i hate women that do stupid and irresponsible shit on purpose.

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Shark February 25, 2012 at 16:25

@ Jennicunt

“However, if an accident happens and the woman gets pregnant and has to take care of the kid whether she likes it or not, it makes sense that she wants the father to help too. In other words, he didn’t ask for it, but neither did she.”

And she can get rid of it.

And he can’t.

The decision is entirely in her hands, thus the responsibility is 100% hers.

Now get off this MEN’S website, lol

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keyster February 25, 2012 at 16:28

“…because it actually implies that there might not be a big line between a normal guy and one who rapes.”

That’s the intention, or that there’s actually no difference at all.
If you can’t make women feel threatened by men, you haven’t succeeded in driving a wedge between men and women.

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 16:33

@Troll King:

From your reaction to the father being arrested and jailed, I can see that you haven’t yet been subjected to the worst yet.

I know about that hurt.

It will pass. With time, you will come to integrate it in your life.
It’s like death: nobody agrees with dying, but in the end, we accept even the idea.

I am of the opinion, that the human species is regressing. We are headed for destruction. And women lead the way.
I really don’t give a shit anymore: I found peace.

You can still have a decent life but you must let go of your illusions. Specially when it comes to women.

Eventually, you might find solace in philosophy. That’s where I find my peace of mind.

And then there’s humor. I never miss a chance at humor, even during my chemo treatments.

Just let go. Take all that life can give you. Expect nothing. Don’t worry about things you can’t control.

P.S. I have a mantra. When things go wrong, I stop for a few seconds, then say out loud: “Ah, fuck it!”
Works well for me…lol!!

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W.F. Price February 25, 2012 at 16:41

What is this neither did she stuff? i ‘m going to assume you are a woman and Im going to tell you something mommy and /or daddy should have told you when you first started bleeding. on a regular basis. A woman has 100% positive control over when she gets pregnant. she has full knowledge and control over any and all birth control including the man.

-greyghost

Yeah, that’s what’s funny about her comment. Feminists have done their darndest to ensure that any “accident” is classified as rape (e.g. drunk sex, “not sure” sex, “he isn’t as rich as I thought” sex, etc.) and women have all the choice in the world as far as whether to be fertile or carry the child to term, so if a woman gets pregnant it’s no accident at all: it’s totally her choice, ergo her responsibility. But for some reason, and maybe I’m kind of dull about it, they just don’t want to give up this whole child support thing. I mean, women are so morally pure that they’d never do something like put a guy on the hook on purpose, would they?

lol

GT66 February 25, 2012 at 16:51

Jennifer “However, if an accident happens and the woman gets pregnant and has to take care of the kid whether she likes it or not, it makes sense that she wants the father to help too.”

That was a excellent argument right up until women switched to the “her body, her choice” paradigm. After that, a man lost any say in whether he could make the woman keep or abort the fetus and a woman SHOULD HAVE lost any say in whether she could make a man leave or pay.

Now at that point, it would have been bad enough but, women, never satisfied that they have gotten enough of the best part of the deal went further. They pushed to have laws passed that allow them to drop off a kid at a police station or fire department if they choose after the birth that they can’t hack it. Women pushed to make it as difficult as possible for fathers to even assert their right to a child if the mother chooses to give the child up for adoption. Women fight against mandatory paternity testing, against fathers rights, against even being required to list a father on the frigging birth certificate. Then, as soon as sweety remembers there might be some dollars at stake, she howls about it being the father’s baby too, it being his responsibility, it being his duty to man up.

And with all that, with even the well known case of the struggles of the very owner of this site to stay in his kids’ lives despite the mother’s interference, women actually wonder where the attitude comes from? Should we just all simply resort to going to Youtube and recording ourselves laughing in women’s faces?

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 17:22

@MRA’s:

I fail to see the point in arguing with women who post here.
Or anywhere else for that matter. Haven’t you yet lost your illusions?

I fail to see why some of you, respected brothers, bother to answer their posts. Why not chose to argue with a dead animal instead?

Do you truly not see the futility?
Or are you keeping hopes against all odds?

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Jimbo February 25, 2012 at 17:41

Women differ more than men when it comes to sex. Almost all men like sex and want it most of the time. Some women are like most men in that sense, but many women are not and in fact rarely want sex, no matter who they might be able to fuck.
As for the discussion of men hurting the feelings of women… I remember I would be tortured and tortured and tortured some more by my wife in a variety of ways. I tolerated it because I didn’t want to divorce because of my two young sons. Anyway, after month of being tortured, I would eventually say something to hurt her back or occasionally explode, and you know who the bad guy was. Whatever hurtful thing I said was going to be in her memory banks for a lifetime. So, when you here women discuss the terrible things there husbands have said to them, think of all the man may have tolerated before he attacked back.

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greyghost February 25, 2012 at 17:45

Rebel
Sometimes you speak out loud at a woman knowing full well you are actually speakng to others in the room. I personally was tlking to the the guy next to you and those three young guys that just got here. Can’t speak for the rest of the fellas.

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Ted February 25, 2012 at 18:32

“Man arrested at hsi daughters school after he shows up to pick her up, detained and strip searched….why you might ask?

“His daughter drew a picture of a gun?? ”

Sets a precedent and opens up a vast vista of possibilities.

I wonder what would happen if she drew a picture of the police with a nuke, say. Dispatch a predator drone immediately, soldier. We can always apologize afterwards.

Or maybe you could pay your child support with a picture of some dollars. It’s an ill wind that blows nobody any good.

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Jimbo February 25, 2012 at 18:33

Since a woman can chose to fuck if she wants and since a woman can chose birth control if she wants and since a woman can chose abort her pregnancy if she wants there shouldn’t be such a thing as child support unless the father takes the child, that is the only time he should have to support it. Along with removal of the 19th amendment and equal rights, this would help men to get some control over women and to get women moving back in the direction of being virtuous wives and mothers instead of the nightmare psychos they’ve become. If a house is built on sand, all sorts of problems are going to come about because of it. Men and women believing they should share authority together is a poor foundation to attempt to build or maintain society on and is analogous to the house built on sand.

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Ted February 25, 2012 at 18:58

“Since a woman can chose to fuck if she wants and since a woman can chose birth control if she wants and since a woman can chose abort her pregnancy if she wants there shouldn’t be such a thing as child support”

Yep. I used to think that both parents should contribute – fairly – but we’ve seen how that works out. I was wrong. Now I think that whoever has the child should pay all the costs of the child for as long as the child is with them. The parents should be left to negotiate without interference how the child’s time should be divided. Economics and market forces rule OK.

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BeijaFlor February 25, 2012 at 18:58

Okay, I’m a dullard and a mommy-trained mangina, I know it and I hang my head in shame about it. But I’m trying to learn, and to recover.

Feminism … it’s a fact of life. Well-meaning white knights have ceded everything over to Team Womyn, or at least everything they wanted. Equality and privilege, all mixed into their one goal of supremacy. And they are Equal, Equal, Equal – save in one respect:

Equality of responsibility.

“Responsibility” used to mean “I did it, I decide, I made it happen.” Nowadays all it means is “someone to blame.” And Team Womyn steadfastly refuse to take the blame for butt-feck anything. No, no, no, no, no – It’s Always The Guy’s Fault ™.

Gentlemen, our only possible defense against this is to do NOTHING with womyn that might have any possible consequences.

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Ted February 25, 2012 at 19:01

greyghost February 25, 2012 at 17:45

” Rebel
” Sometimes you speak out loud at a woman knowing full well you are actually speakng to others in the room. ”

Yes… also, in a conversation continued long enough, you can get her to reveal what she’s really about.

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Ted February 25, 2012 at 19:05

“Gentlemen, our only possible defense against this is to do NOTHING with womyn that might have any possible consequences.”

That helps, but is it enough?

An analogy is Original Sin. Haven’t done anything? You’re still guilty…

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Aharon February 25, 2012 at 19:21

Nice piece of writing with some good logical insights that are too non-pc for common social discussion. “thousands of years of received wisdom that lets us know it is a bad idea”, we are certainly living in a mad arrogant age. I’m not a religious man yet I have the highest of regards for the wisdom in the stories and proverbs that can be learned from the Judeo-Christian Biblical teachings. There are modern day lessons for us in the Garden of Eden story (true or metaphorical) with the serpent persuading Eve to eat the forbidden fruit that she in turn seduces Adam to eat. The result is that they were condemned to leave Paradise.

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 20:37

Bros,

After this endless tirade, are you beginning to see what I meant?

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Jimbo February 25, 2012 at 20:47

@Jennifer

For me, the discussion isn’t about just what is fair for men and women, or the children for that matter. The matter is more regarding whether or not we will have hell on earth for children and adults of both sexes or whether or not my race and civilization will survive in order for my progeny to have a happy future, or no future at all. In this debate, exceptions to rules aren’t as important as collective and relevant truths. Sure, some short basketball players are better than some tall players, just as some modern day women are no doubt good wives and mothers… But the relevant truth is that modern day women have gone to hell and they are dragging men down with them. Show me a bitch and I’ll show you a son of a bitch. Either her son, or she will turn her husband into one. Show me a slut and I will show you a bastard. Show me equality for women in society at large and I will show you a society with a lot of promiscuity, illegitimacy, bastard-ism, fatherless-ness resultant of divorce as well, know it all women, compounded illogic of women making women insane etc. There is a reason there was never a substantiated recorded matriarchy. Once the power of women crossed a certain threshold, that society died before full matriarchy could be realized. Our own society is akin to an individual with cancer. Some patients know they have cancer and no they are going to die. Other patients don’t know they have cancer yet. Our civilization has lost the will to survive in part because of pessimism about our future that has largely been brought about by feminism. Who wants to bring children into a world with such misery? I’ve got young sons and old aunts and uncles and an elderly mother. All of my seniors are very concerned about what the future holds for their children and grandchildren. But, I am probably wasting my breath on you because history has already shown that you can’t tell a woman anything in this generation because they already know everything. The whole of societies feel good advice system for the past forty years has been directed at them. And they are right in their perceptions that they have a lot of info in their heads because they do. To bad most of the info is misinformation or information used as a tool to develop erroneous hypotheses about life and human relationships. Things will go back though. They will go back when the shit hits the fan. When the backs of men are up against the wall. When men have neither the time, the patience to listen to the illogic of women. In the mean time, show that you have at least a little compassion and quit commenting on this site.

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Ted February 25, 2012 at 20:49

“After this endless tirade, are you beginning to see what I meant?”

It’s an education, all right.

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Ted February 25, 2012 at 21:01

““A woman has 100% positive control over when she gets pregnant.”

“And a man has complete control over when he has sex, ”

But we’re talking about pregnancy.

“and whether he knows anything about the woman.”

A very dubious statement.

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Rebel February 25, 2012 at 21:06

@Ted February
“It’s an education, all right.”

I am sure you caught the ever patronizing tone and the deeply anchored condescension. Those two traits are common to most women, if you care to observe.

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Ted February 25, 2012 at 21:12

“Wow Shark, what an impressive way of talking you have, just blows away opposition! Pathetic.”

Merely a stylistic device, Jennifer. Don’t let it bother you.

““And she can get rid of it.

“And he can’t””

“Do you like it that way, or not? ”

Shark’s point was that responsibility was being attributed, but without the corresponding control. Always the sure sign of a scam.

“Because if you think fathers should have some say, that would mean responsibility too.”

*Some* responsibility, Jennifer. Equivalent to the amount of say he has.

” By law, while it’s still inside her body, the final decision will probably always be hers. ”

So the final responsibility is hers then.

“But once it’s out, it’s a full-fledged human with two parents.”

That’s true, but one of those parents had all the control about whether it’s out or not. Therefore all the responsibility.

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Ted February 25, 2012 at 21:17

“Ann Coulter has a simple solution: if they’re not married, the man neither owes the woman money, nor does she owe him any time with his child. Sounds practical, …”

In other words, total mother control, total mother responsibility.

There is another possibility: total father control, total father responsibility. I think that’s how it used to work in the past. A proven track record.

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Jennifer February 25, 2012 at 21:19

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Ted February 25, 2012 at 21:20

“I am sure you caught the ever patronizing tone …”

Or matronizing, maybe.

It’s the standard femo argument though. Hasn’t changed in thirty years.

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Jennifer February 25, 2012 at 21:21

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Ethical February 25, 2012 at 21:28

@W.F. Price
Really novel and interesting point. Holding daughters accountable for behaving responsibly would seem like every father’s duty, however having read through a number of child custody judgements it seems that fathers who are strict in that way are often successfully accused (by mothers, social workers, … etc.) of being “controlling and abusive” because of that very same strictness. I read one ruling in which a man told the judge he found out his foreign wife used to be a prostitute. The man thought this would help him get custody as it reflected poorly on her character and fitness as a mother. However the judge accused the man of being abusive and controlling for bringing it up.
Once you get labelled as abusive and controlling the next step is that the judge takes your children away. Seeing your daughters once every other week … you may be strict but you’ve lost any practical say in their upbringing whatsoever.
The system is geared in every way possible to turn men into manginas dedicated to rearing slutty, immoral feminists. Perhaps clever arguments such as the one you made will eventually lead to a presumption of shared custody, which is the only practical way to change any of these issues. When we have REAL rights as a parent THEN we can talk about how we want to raise our daughters.

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Jennifer February 25, 2012 at 21:41

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crella February 25, 2012 at 21:42

‘They said they had to investigate to determine whether there was a gun in Sansone’s house that children had access to.

“From a public safety point of view, any child drawing a picture of guns and saying there’s guns in a home would warrant some further conversation with the parents and child,” said Alison Scott, executive director of Family and Children’s Services.’

All you have to do to see if there is a gun in the house is ask, and if there is, ask to be showed how it’s stored. What part of arrest and a strip search is “conversation with the parents and child’??? We have the right to posses firearms in this c0untry, don’t these bozos know that!?

That’s just awful, it’s insane.

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crella February 25, 2012 at 21:46

‘The odor is very unpleasant and has a fishy smell. You must be pretty close to her to smell it, but I’ve known some girls who could clear out a room.

I believe most woman have a yeast infection to some degree. So, take it for what it’s worth.’

No, not if you’re clean. No way. Between this and an advice column I saw about some women not washing their bras for two weeks, I am beginning to think there are a lot of unhygienic women out there. Yuk.

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evilwhitemalempire February 25, 2012 at 22:00

the point is that if men are so irrepressibly prone to rape and so sexually voracious, and women so prone to being unwilling, then who really is most responsible when consensual sex does happen?

**********

they get around all this by simply defining all normal hetero male sexuality as rape.
and then saying that rape has NOTHING (nada, zip, zero) to do with sex.
(so you see they’re not trying to control your sexuality at all!)

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Dubcik February 25, 2012 at 22:03

Jennifer says “I’m sure you know perfectly well that many women don’t choose to get pregnant. Periods can be irregular, pills can be expensive, condoms can be forgotten. But if they’re both careless, they both need to realize the consequences;”

I call BS on this. As a woman, it is your responsibility not to have sex without protection if your periods are irregular, or any time for that matter if you don’t want to get pregnant. If you can’t afford pills, either don’t have sex or use condoms. If you use a condom, you can make sure it is on correctly. If it breaks (very rarely when done right) go get a morning after pill. You, as a female are 100% responsible for your body.

This whole ‘accident thing” is a red herring for women who are careless. Every women knows full well the consequences of having unprotected sex, because she is only one that can get pregnant. Women know they bare 100% of the responsibility of what they do, or what they allow to happen to their bodies (baring true rape) but most women will never admit this (even to themselves).

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keyster February 25, 2012 at 22:08

“But liberalism is the killer; anything that divides the sexes, kills unborn children, relieves people of their responsibilities and promotes loose sex breaks down families and weakens individuals.”

Your sanctamonious lectures about traditionalism will fall on deaf ears around these parts Missy. Most MRA’s have not only transcended the evils of feminism, they’ve also made a conscious decision to eschew Marriage and/or cohabitation altogether. They view marriage, (wage slave to a wife and kids), as a raw deal all along; even long before feminism took hold.

The Manipulated Man has awoken, thanks to feminists exposing it as such. In other words he has found, “liberation”, “independence” and “empowerment”, from oppressive “gender roles” works both ways. Feminists said “Too bad, men will just have to adapt!” And that’s what many are starting to do, but not like women expected. First you lose chivalry…and then they ignore you completely.

Pussy power lasted only so long, lost its allure, because they pushed it too far. Finally men are collectively saying, “A little pussy every now and then is not worth the hassle anymore. Go ahead and shame me, ridicule me, mock me, call me a loser – – I just don’t give a fuck anymore, and I’ve got other things to do with my life.”

Men’s growing apathy towards women is a problem. I mean honestly, can you blame them?

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Steve_85 February 25, 2012 at 22:52

Arguing with a feminist is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It can’t be done, it annoys the pig, and even if you succeed, no one wants to hear a pig song anyways!

Just leave the pigs… Err feminists alone.

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Jiu Jitsu Maniac February 25, 2012 at 23:00

The average child support payment is $350 ($280 is the median) * 12 months * 18 years = $75,600.

Thats a lot of money for a one night stand!

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E February 26, 2012 at 00:45

Jennifer says

I’m sure you know perfectly well that many women don’t choose to get pregnant. Periods can be irregular, pills can be expensive, condoms can be forgotten. But if they’re both careless, they both need to realize the consequences;

Jennifer you are a liar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqH8rW0YHms

Remember gentlemen there is NO such thing as an “unplanned” pregnancy. It was all planned by the woman.

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codebuster February 26, 2012 at 01:57

From a universal, biological perspective women do not have a lower sex drive than men. Far from it – being desired is central to female sexuality, but men “needing” sex is not the sort of desire that arouses women. The contemporary zeitgeist of sexually indifferent women arises because our contraceptive technologies have turned sex into a leisure activity. Because the consequences of sex can be kept in check with our contraceptive technologies, we’ve created a market with laws of supply and demand (women control supply, men provide demand) that are very different to what existed before the contraceptive technologies became widely available. Thus every modern woman is an ovum that finds herself immersed in a sea of sperm masquerading as men. Men, on the other hand, are immersed in a sea of pornography that is constantly reminding them of needs that they must get met. A sexually indifferent woman is easily removed from this market because she is content to be provided-for by a sperm-as-man-as-utility-device who has needs that must be met. And it is the ease with which women are removed from the market that shifts the female supply curve to the left to create shortage, thus creating the illusion that women are choosy and in control. But the reality is quite the opposite. In our zeitgeist, women are fundamentally incapable of judging men on their merits, and wouldn’t know an authentic alpha if they fell over one. They rely on the dynamics of group-think (social proof, dumb conformity, arbitrary proximity) to choose the beta-providers, paper-alphas, troglodytes, thugs and losers that they move in with to have their babies.

Bottom line? There are several concepts in my thinking that require unpacking, but lets keep things simple. While the existing situation can definitely be improved upon by making women more accountable (as already discussed above), ultimately though, there is no solution. There can never be a solution while our contraceptive technologies, in conjunction with feminism and the porn/sex industries, are responsible for having turned sex into a leisure industry.

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Shark February 26, 2012 at 02:46

“Bros,

After this endless tirade, are you beginning to see what I meant?”

I see a wimmin where she does not belong, and who needs to be run out of town

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Gilgamesh February 26, 2012 at 07:54

@Crella

That story happened in Canada, where apparently they don’t have the right to possess firearms with the approval of the state.

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Eric26 February 26, 2012 at 09:43

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Rmaxd February 26, 2012 at 10:00

Jennifers a clueless wreck … her views are so screwed, she cant tell the difference between liberalism, or feminism or socialism, thnx to her parasitic stayathome lifestyle

Liberalism … right …

Who voted for Liberalism Jennifer?

You the women, get a freaking clue, women always vote for repressive regimes, women voted in liberalism, along with the civil rights movement, along with welfare, affirmative action

Give idiotic women like Jennifer the vote & you will always get Liberalism, as they cry their women & children first, & what about the children, victim status

Women always portray ANY benefit to them as women as victims,

Women get protection by men, they cry women first

Women get shelter by men, they cry welfare

Women get protection by men, they cry independence, & girl power, as the power of a million white knights drives them into an entitlement frenzy …

Men create a technologically advanced society, by men for men, to fulfill mens needs, & women turn into hypergamy hordes of promiscuity & sluts

Make no doubt, women like Jennifer are feral barbaric, void of any real integrity or morale, their idiocy & inability to understand mens views blazing a trail for not seeing mens rights in their entirety, ie none

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Boxer February 26, 2012 at 11:28

Dear E:

Remember gentlemen there is NO such thing as an “unplanned” pregnancy. It was all planned by the woman.

Women are (speaking generally) incapable of long-term planning. Their horizons tend to stretch out in terms of weeks, rather than decades (which is relevant when planning to have a kid — they tend to live longer than this spring’s fashions), and there’s the rub. The only “planned” pregnancies are generally planned by males, because they’re the ones who (again, generally, many feminised men have lost this ability) possess the ability to indulge in long-term planning.

Regards, Boxer

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William February 26, 2012 at 11:32

Hi, joining late fromthe UK. What does being a gatekeeper to sex mean?

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Jimbo February 26, 2012 at 11:33

@eric26
If you had a daughter, would you rather have her grow up and find a man who loved her, desired to protect her, worked hard to protect her and respected her? Or, would you rather have her grow up in a land where few such men existed? By taking the feminist side in the argument, you are unwittingly promoting the second reality. This is because feminism not only destroys the character of women, it also destroys the character of men. This isn’t because I want it to be that way, it is because that is the way it is. Despite all of the talk on this site, (including myself) most of us guys would love to have a truly feminine virtuous woman in our lives. But the reality is that most of us simply believe that almost all women in our society in our generation have been affected with something very akin to a disease that makes them anything but feminine or virtuous. In fact, it makes them downright dangerous. Guys here talk about the difference between certain Asian women as compared to “our” women here in the western world.. The differences? Like night and day. To put it another way. If I kept impugning your character day after day, calling you a homosexual, calling you worthless, calling you a punk, calling you a moron etc. would there being anything wrong with you getting tired of it? Getting pissed off about it? Perhaps even punching me out because of it? I would say no, and you would say no also. But, you want to say it is ok for women to do this to men, and for women to take our money and our retirement, and our children. I say your confused and need to try to figure it out. Actually listening to the men here on spearhead would be a good beginning.

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Arpagus February 26, 2012 at 11:56

If women have more control over whether a sex act will occur, then older women who sleep with with adolescent boys are guilty of a more serious crime than older men who sleep with adolescent females.

Only if sex were as harmful to boys as to girls. Boys so readily say yes to sex because sex is vastly more beneficial to boys than to girls in the first place. So your analysis is flawed. It’s not like boys want sex more because there is anything wrong with them, you know. On the contrary, evolution designed males to be sexual opportunists because it is in our own genetic best interest. You simply cannot leave the value of sex out of it, and it isn’t symmetric. Girls hold back because their sexuality is an asset that gets depleted by slutty behavior. Boys take what they can get because they have everything to gain and nothing to lose (except child support) by having sex.

I certainly don’t agree that sex with adolescent girls should be criminalized either, but everything else being equal, it does in fact make sense to hold males more responsible for sex because males benefit the most from sex. Indeed it is preposterous to hold women criminally responsible for sex at all.

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Ted February 26, 2012 at 12:15

@Eric26 February 26, 2012 at 09:43

” It’s so hard to keep up with MRA rhetoric.”

Try harder, Eric26. More reading is recommended.

” One day it’s, “We are not cavemen! We are intelligent and in control!”
The next day it’s, “Durr hurr my penis told me to do it so I did it””

It is? What on earth have you been reading? Supply some quotes please.

” And since when are men “more responsible”?”

Since forever, Eric26.

” Sure, some fathers have to pay child support”

There’s a lot more to paternal responsibility than paying a sum of money determined by someone else, to someone else again, with no requirement that the money actually be used to support the child.

Wouldn’t you agree, Eric26?

” but that’s because raising a child is horribly expensive. ”

Your assertion doesn’t function properly as a reason. Why not give complete custody to the father, on the understanding that he pay all those horribly expensive child costs? That would really sock it to the bastard, eh, Eric26?

“If the mother is raising the child by herself she’s going to require additional income,”

So give custody to the father. She won’t require any additional income then. Simple, eh?

” so she gets money from the father, ”

With father custody, she wouldn’t need it, and shouldn’t get it.

“much like how a married couple pools resources.
” But keep up the rabid, venomous doublethink that you’re all so good at.”

No, no, Eric26. We’re constructive, helpful, and forward looking.

“I’m sure that’s why the only people that take MRAs seriously are MRAs, and”

Not that many have heard the MRA message.

But that’s changing.

” thank God for that.”

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Oddsock February 26, 2012 at 12:31

Ted

Actually Ted, the MRA message is perhaps getting out much further than we realize ?

Take a look at the Alex Jones channel today. Ok, some love the guy some hate him, regardless, he has just posted a video on the arrest of a father over his 4 year old daughter drawing a picture of a gun.

Fair enough, no mention of MRA or Fathers rights and maybe that was intentional ? Obviously he wants to keep all the female supporters he can but, his audience is in the millions and the video will certainly be viewed by many fathers/men.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel

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Boxer February 26, 2012 at 13:34

Jimbo:

“eric26″ is a female, biologically speaking of course.

It’s all in the grammar and syntax…

Boxer

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Ted February 26, 2012 at 13:47

“the MRA message is perhaps getting out much further than we realize ?”

Maybe. I’ve noticed that comments in general places like YouTube have been getting more and more MRA-like lately.

Alex Jones really had his blood up in that video.

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greyghost February 26, 2012 at 14:37

The comments all over are getting more MRA like.

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Wilson February 26, 2012 at 14:48

Arpagus, I tend to agree that you are right about the relative harmfulness being less when a woman has sex with a boy compared to a man with a girl, but the depravity is still greater. She is deciding the break the law, while the man can only break the law when a girl decides to let him.

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Oddsock February 26, 2012 at 14:50

Greyghost

What I find interesting and encouraging is there appears to be many men and increasing numbers, especially the younger guys, expressing openly their distrust and dislike for women/girls. Most of these guys are probably not even aware of MRA websites. IMHO they are expressing these views simply from observation of modern women. Plus, there is now a vast army of pump and dump type females that nobody wants for any other than emptying of bags. Most with kids and from different fathers. Plus the horror divorce and child contact stories will certainly be spreading like wild fire.

We are having an effect, we are creating a masculine meme perhaps the MGTOW meme ? The feck this for a game of cricket meme?

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greyghost February 26, 2012 at 15:28

I personally make it a point to comment on yahoo articles and any other with a subtle or out right MRA point of view. Never give a pass on misandry or play the emporer’s new clothes game. I think it has the effect of the flyers campaign in someways.

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crella February 26, 2012 at 16:10

‘I’m sure you know perfectly well that many women don’t choose to get pregnant. Periods can be irregular, pills can be expensive,’

You can get birth control from Planned Parenthood if you can’t afford it. For a generation that’s supposedly so in touch with themselves, women sure don’t understand their own bodies. If your period is irregular, you can keep a temperature chart, from the day your temp jumps in the morning to almost 98, you’re ovulating! Don’t have sex for the next 5-6 days and you should be fine. There are other signs of ovulation but I’m not posting them here, the guys don’t need to read them. Is it that women are so used to relying on the Pill that they don’t know how the whole cycle works? You should look on women’s forums as well, and see how many times women talk about accidently-on-purpose forgetting of the Pill. Oh yes, women can and do choose to be pregnant.

‘However, if an accident happens and the woman gets pregnant and has to take care of the kid whether she likes it or not, it makes sense that she wants the father to help too. ‘

You’re 99% guaranteed not to have an ‘accident’ on the Pill….’it’s expensive’…well, were I single, in school or starting a career, I would think that fewer nights out, fewer drinks, and fewer new clothes would be worth the protection I would get from a 99% effective birth control method. If getting pregnant or having a child is going to be a hardship surely it’s worth the investment??

‘It’s so hard to keep up with MRA rhetoric. One day it’s, “We are not cavemen! We are intelligent and in control!”
The next day it’s, “Durr hurr my penis told me to do it so I did it”’

And, it’s another day at Hyperbolic Outbursts R Us. All snark no substance. You do realize that people can hold more than one point of view at a time, and all members of a group don’t always feel exactly the same about every issue?

‘If the mother is raising the child by herself she’s going to require additional income, so she gets money from the father, much like how a married couple pools resources.’

Well, how about not treating sex like just another work out, taking precautions, and not having children out of wedlock or a committed relationship? Sounds a sh*tload easier than what y’all are going through…the kids sure would be a helluva lot happier.

‘raising a child is horribly expensive’

Don’t have one till you can afford it, financially and emotionally, until you can raise that child with joy and be happy he was conceived.

‘That story happened in Canada, where apparently they don’t have the right to possess firearms with the approval of the state.’

Thank you Gilgamesh, I missed the fact that it was Canada…when I read ‘arrested and strip searched’ I assumed it was the US.

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Rmaxd February 26, 2012 at 19:45

It’s always hilarious seeing Jennifer get bitchslapped by a woman …

But seeing her getting bitchslapped in the comments section by men is equally hilarious …

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migu February 27, 2012 at 02:34

Whatever you want to call the message it’s all over the Christian forums I frequent. Whenever marriage comes up you’d think you were at the happy bachelors refuge.

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Rmaxd February 27, 2012 at 03:35

@migu

Which christian forums? Links …

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Doug1 February 27, 2012 at 08:07

It’s not just the factors you break down in detail, which can be summarized as Heartiste/Roissy does by saying women are the gatekeepers of sex, there are a number of other factors which make women are more responsible for out of wedlock births than men. First and foremost is than any pregnant American woman can get an abortion within the first 24 weeks of pregnancy. Before than she could have elected to take Plan B if she’d forgotten to take her BC pills a few times that month, or had unprotected sex with a condom. And finally she can give the baby up for adoption. The guy has NONE of those three options.

In addition all but one of the reversible methods of birth control are within her sole knowledge and control. The one that’s within their joint knowledge and control is the one that greatly diminishes the pleasure of the sex act, and further is one of the least reliable methods.

I really think that any man who clearly communicates he doesn’t want to have the rights and also responsibilities of parenthood in time for her to have an abortion (presuming she told him right away that he’s the father), should be released from them. That would quite quickly vastly cut down on the percentage of illegitimate births not wanted by both bio parents.

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Doug1 February 27, 2012 at 08:23

The matrilineal Musuo with no fixed marriages are peasants in a feudal society for a ruling nobility which is very different and fully patriarchal. There’s evidence that that Chinese nobility manipulated the Musuo into being matrilineal and matrilocal as a way of keeping their sons from upward mobility into the ruling elite by marrying up. Tha Musuo are a far leftists and feminist favorite. They’re a real outlier. Feminists never tell you any of this.

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Buckwheater February 27, 2012 at 08:45

The man has a choice to put a condom on or not to have sex with a woman. Once you have sex, man or woman, you are responsible for the consequences of your actions. Of course, if the boy/girl is below 18 or 21, they should be given more slack, but not the adults. It seems too many people have abandoned the sense of responsibility, including in sexual affairs.

Insisting that men aren’t capable of controlling their sexual impulses, means to imply that they are no more rational than animals (incapable of self mastery and self discipline). It is to say that they are seriously flawed when it comes to decision making. By this logic, it is a tremendous risk to put men in positions of power or in positions to decide things, as their sexual impulses will prevail (which would be dangerous for society as a whole). Poor impulse control is considered a negative trait in so called civilized society.

Women’s sexuality is more tied to infatuation and emotional commitment. Women do have feral drives (and kinky fantasies), but they are much less likely to act on them and they don’t need heterosexual intercourse to be satisfied physically. Most of them have clitoral orgasms, that don’t require to be penetrated by a man’s penis. Also, women do not derive their ego validation from a sex act (or “scoring”). Keeping a quality man’s attention for a long time and his commitment is what validates a woman (if she is not self-sufficient). Love, relationships, infatuation, romance and such are more important for women. The pure sexual act itself, while pleasant and often fulfilling, is not the end goal, as it is for men.

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van Rooinek February 27, 2012 at 09:29

CONSENT TO SEX IS NOT CONSENT TO FATHERHOOD

In light of the facts that -
(1) sex is biologically designed to create children,
(2) no form of contraception is 100% effective, and
(3) abortion is self-evidently the coldblooded murder of a helpless innnocent,

– we are FORCED to conclude that, yes, indeed, sex absolutely IS consent to fatherhood. “Alternative” activies aren’t a safe path either (one word: leakage). You just have to face the fact that any and all sexual encounters can make you a father.

The only real answer is to save it til marriage (Heb. 13:4) — or, MGTOW (1st Cor. 7:1) if you can accept it (Matt 19:10-12).

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Mikediver February 27, 2012 at 09:49

The most recent newspaper article I read that stated the illegitimacy rate was, over 50% of births for women under 30 (which is the majority of births.)

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Mikediver February 27, 2012 at 09:50

The same article stated that if you only look at the Black community over 70% of births are illegitamate.

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Art Vandelay February 28, 2012 at 04:55

Is it that time of the month again, sweetheart?

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rorschach February 28, 2012 at 05:15

Looks like this article really touched a nerve with “dickhead”.

It’s interesting – the different ways women view sex, and their ability to exploit it as a method of reward/control manipulation, plus their inability to consider that they have all the rights regarding whether she gets pregnant, stays pregnant, informs the father or not … combined with the outrage and denial when you challenge them on this.

With the long term relationships I’ve had I’ve experienced the switch from regular fun sex – to sex only when she decides. There have also been a few rare occasions where I was the one rejecting sex and the responses I got were appalling. One bitch even sank her teeth into my shoulder because I had dared to turn her down.

Can’t wait to see both the male pill and compulsory paternity testing as part of our daily lives … and men get to say “my body, my wallet, my choice”.

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migu February 28, 2012 at 05:18

Rmxed,

Garynorth.com

You have to pay for acces to the forums. Man is a Protestant I’m Catholic.

The fee is worth it. Been a member since 2007. I am able to pull a Johnny paycheck because of that community.

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crella February 28, 2012 at 05:20

Guys, don’t the lovely young lady’s posts just convince you to give American women a second chance? No? Geez, why not!?

Congrats, Eve/Dickhead (so refined…) honey, you’ve proved them right, again. A theme song for you-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauLgZISozs&ob=av3n

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migu February 28, 2012 at 05:28

Just make sure you don’t pull a rant. If you join, you have three days to post or you are refunded and canceled.

Think your post through.

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universe February 28, 2012 at 07:16

rorschach February 28, 2012 at 05:15

– Your whole post…more than worth the time to write it. Real life trumps feminist fantasy once again.
Managed to silence dick-less. (Whoops. Uh-oh, not after this, though. It will have to prove its self-importance by doing what it does best. However, Go To Your Room – NOW).

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GT66 March 1, 2012 at 20:22

Wow! Someone’s tampon must have had gone in sideways. Gotta hang on to that applicator sweetie!

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Kris W March 8, 2012 at 03:28

@Ted

The reason why it seems the MRM is on the upswing is because it is. Well not really, but it does give voice to many things that are. Sure a lot of guy’s may hesitate from signing up as MRA’s, but that doesn’t mean they don’t get that feminism is a hate movement and all the discrimination guy’s endure.

It is kind of like how most people(male and female) don’t even understand their own emotions. So change happens beneath the surface. So much change has happened beneath the surface these last few years that the surface now has to shift, and fall in line with that which is below.

You see that with the big media and the pro-male articles that are becoming more frequent. But the thing is, I think they are conscious of this all. And they know if they mess-up now they are done(as their pro feminist/anti male approach has driven most papers into bankruptcy). So with the MSM, they are going to continue to slowly lurch further away from feminism, while at the same time turn a blind eye to it.

That way they plan to be able to seem like the good guy’s for stating the obvious(breaking the news on the feminist hate movements iron clad dominance in Academia), while hoping to put distance between them and their past bigoted antics.

This whole Santorum thing is only going to accelerate the feminist bubble popping. Because right now leftist women are trapped in a “Traditionalist Noose”(Traditionalist’s kept traditionalism alive by forcing traditionalist roles on men, women fell for it, and the sheer unfairness of it all would cause men to not give a SH&^ when the Traditionalists make their moves[see Santorum]) and the more they fight it the tighter it will get. They will start to see soon that no one cares, and they will ask why.

And in the space of time between them getting over their cognitive dissonance in regards to the MRM/ feminism own anti-male bigotry, the media will go all out on feminism and it will simply be too late for them.

They had time, but once a cultural/social shift happens it is almost unstoppable. As the more the shift is resisted, the more it drags you in.

Now the trick is to make sure the traditionalist’s metaphorically impale themselves(fall on their own swords),or we could be in for an equally more annoying, and dangerous adversary.

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Fire April 11, 2012 at 04:49

male FBI agent is suing for gender discrmantion on the job!… becuase female testing standerds are lower then men to preform the same job.

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Fire April 11, 2012 at 04:49

male FBI agent is suing for gender discrmantion on the job!… becuase female testing standerds are lower then men to preform the same job.

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Fire April 11, 2012 at 04:50

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