Hugo Schwyzer: Under the Bus or a Warning to All Male Allies of Mainstream Feminism

by Demosthenes XXI on February 17, 2012

I can’t make this stuff up.

The Atlantic has just published an article regarding the exile of Hugo Schwyzer from the feminist camp. America’s most vocal male feminist ally has just been kicked to the curb by the feminists who he so worshiped. Schwyzer has made a career of writing articles that have promoted a self-emasculating viewpoint in favor of promoting feminist ideas. Until recently, he wrote a series of articles on the Good Men Project, politely telling men how horrible they were and particularly telling the world that “the answer to men’s rights was more feminism.”

According to the article, Schwyzer’s excommunication came about partially from his admission of past indiscretions with female college students and a recounting of his attempted murder/suicide that led to his eventually becoming a born again feminist. He discussed that part of his past during an interview of him by sex-positive columnist, Clarisse Thorn. The gang at Feministe took special exception to him and his past during the interview and it went south from there, with Thorn having to eventually close commenting on the article.

What I wonder is why Schwyzer’s past indiscretions are an issue now? Schwyzer has never lied or covered up this facet of his past. Countless critics of his work (including myself) have always called him out on this fact. When other men/MRM advocates voiced observations concerning Schwyzer’s past, they were simply scoffed at and ignored, but now that feminists are presenting these issues, there is suddenly a major problem with him being a feminist ally. Schwyzer’s hubris, which he shares with other noted male feminist allies like Jackson Katz, Tony Porter, Byron Hurt, and David Futrelle is that they were victims of individually “tragic” pasts and they present those personal problems, tragic pasts and the subsequent issues they presented the women in their lives as being endemic of all men.

After some research, the other factor behind the “hate Hugo campaign” is being driven by a response/smear article written by Flavia Dzodan of Tigerbeatdown in reply to his Jezebel article about facials. The “jizz” article is some of the most inane shit I have ever read (even for Hugo), but it is not truly offensive to feminism as he is trying to (in his own deluded and twisted manner) describe the reasoning behind something that only some (not many) guys do so women can understand it.

But before the Tigerbeatdown article, we have one article criticizing his approach to feminism calling him a “paternalistic feminist” and calling attention to his particular spin on feminism (especially his language when he was quoted as saying that he was “herding sluts” while working at a Slutwalk). With this new movement to exile Hugo from femdom, we now see Schwyzer being declared a “male abuser,” we see a facebook page devoted to a feminist condemnation of Schwyzer as a voice for feminism, and other feminist blogs (like this one here) in full support of silencing poor Hugo and other men in general from being voices for feminism.

By the way; does anyone remember the smackdown that Good Men Project CEO Tom Matlack received at the end of last year at the hands of Amanda Marcotte, Kate Harding, Jenn Ponzer, Hugo, and others? When Matlack began asking questions about being male and feminine condemnation of those male traits, certain feminists (including good old Hugo) felt that he was out of line for asking those questions openly. Because of this and his having a subsequent  article for the GMP (criticizing Matlack and the chirpstory about that whole discussion) called into question by editor, Lisa Hickey; Hugo resigned from the website as a contributing writer. In fact, he was the first of the GMP feminist cadre to do so (openly and publicly).

In short; Schwyzer has been everything that a good male feminist ally should be; self-emasculating, willing to openly admit to  his overtly male flaws, humble toward his female overseers, and stalwartly supportive of everything feminist. Hugo did everything that feminism told him to do as a male ally and then even preached the gospel of feminism to the rafters and tried to get as many men to convert to his new-found faith as possible.

And like a used tampon, he has now been thrown into the trash as the disgusting thing that many feminists feel that most men are.

Thus my message to all male feminist allies who are reading this.

My lambasting aside, Schwyzer’s actual crime was trying (and mostly failing IMHO) to bring a male context (mostly his own) to feminine and feminist issues. According to Flavia from Tigerbeatdown as related in the source article from the Atlantic:

[Schwyzer] “systematically presents feminist issues, but his proposed ‘solutions’ to the problems he posits almost always involve the feelings, status, and outcomes for men.”

If good old Hugo Schwyzer isn’t safe from being condemned for his maleness by feminists, then who is? Schwyzer didn’t actually do anything wrong other than try to explain to his feminists why some men get off on facials, but he’s now being trotted out as evidence that most feminist male allies should just sit back and shut up. Perhaps, you all should review why you feel a need to so valiantly defend a movement that does not value you for what you are and is so ready to discard you.

And if you feel that you are a special little snowflake of a male feminist ally and that your female feminist allies wouldn’t do it to you; step outside your door, look under that feminist campaign bus and talk to good old uncle Hugo about his feelings on the subject. He might still be there, clinging to the undercarriage; hoping for forgiveness and redemption….

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turtlelamp February 17, 2012 at 09:41

Nobody trusts a traitor, Hugo.

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Umslopogaas February 17, 2012 at 09:55

Heh, I’m starting to believe that karma really does exist.

I mean…is this not a perfect, a fitting end to a mangina past usefulness?

When you lie with snakes you *will* get bitten.

Res ipsa locquitor.

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Scipio Africanus February 17, 2012 at 10:02

It reminds me of how high-ups in Communist regimes get suddenly sacked/strung-up or trotted out for show-trials once the dictator or cabal of leaders no longer has use for them, is offended by them, or sees them as a threat.

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Just1X February 17, 2012 at 10:02

hugo under the bus?

couldn’t happen to a more deserving ‘man’.

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Dicipres February 17, 2012 at 10:02

You can never please feminists because their anger is unrelated to the issues they talk about.

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Zorro February 17, 2012 at 10:06

Feminists: Black-hearted, moronic women who believe only one thing: that men are the scum of the earth, and who will spend their lives waiting for any idiotic excuse to go “See?! See?! I told you!!!

Castrating yourself in public on a weekly basis, Hugo, will never impress the psychos who talked you into doing it. They will only laugh and scorn you, just like the rest of us will.

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Craig Himself February 17, 2012 at 10:14

“[Schwyzer] ‘systematically presents feminist issues, but his proposed ‘solutions’ to the problems he posits almost always involve the feelings, status, and outcomes for men.’”

Duh! Because the feelings and outcomes of men matter AS WELL, you horrible horrible harpies.

And there you have it.

Thank you for this.

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Rebel February 17, 2012 at 10:25

If this guy ever comes knocking at the MRA door, (which I suspect he may do) please shoot him.
After all, they kill horses, don’t they?

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Clarence February 17, 2012 at 10:31

I recently got banned from No Seriously What About the Men apparently for a SINGLE COMMENT (about Rosie O, comparing her to a whale) that I made in the comments section in response to comments by women about how unattractive a certain feminist was (and I actually said that particular feminist -not Rosie O – was ok looking) and..get this..ON A WHOLLY DIFFERENT BLOG.

Now, while I used to consider myself a male feminist -way back in the early 1990′s when I was in my early twenties and I’ve been leaning far more MRA over the past 15 years (though I’d probably call myself an equalist, I’d still stand with Glenn Sacks or Paul Elam and be proud of doing so), I helped in a small way to found the blog in question and hardly ever got the slightest warnings or chastisings there ( I had like one warning for a totally unrelated thing about 4 to 6 months ago) -well, boom! There I am.

It doesn’t take much to get “excommunicated” from feminism or a feminist blog if you are a man.

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Rebel February 17, 2012 at 10:44

“It doesn’t take much to get “excommunicated” from feminism or a feminist blog if you are a man.”

If you are like me, you must love to experiment. No?

Next time you comment on a feminazi site, pretend you are a female and make the same comments that got you banned as a man.
Then you can experiment some more and see how far you can go “as a woman”.
You could complete the circus by saying you are a transgender. You can get the fun of your life while laughing loudly at their face, them not even not realizing you are treating them like shit.

(and being treated as the excrement that they are is something they wildly deserve. No?)

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Art Vandelay February 17, 2012 at 10:54

It doesn’t take much to get “excommunicated” from feminism or a feminist blog if you are a man.

That’s like a black guy complaining that the white supremacists don’t let him post comments on their blogs…

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dragnet February 17, 2012 at 10:56

Heh.

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

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AlphA February 17, 2012 at 11:16

…And Now, He Will Come Knocking At The Door Of The MRM…

…Where We Will Be Waiting With 12-Gauge Shotguns…

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Quartermain February 17, 2012 at 11:17

Swim with sharks and you’re bound to be devoured.

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David K. Meller February 17, 2012 at 11:25

HAPPY DAYS!!

One more down, some more to go. Not only does this tell men what treacherous “allies” women can be, but it also tells us how much that we anti-feminists (masculinists? virists? male advocates?) are correct, and how important our work is.

Is this one more example of female “hypergamy”? Women here are, as everywhere else, simply trying to deal themselves a better hand!

Upon seeing that the antimale divigations of one Hugo Schweitzer no longer being anything else but an embarassment to their hive, they promptly proceed unanimously to bid him farewell; they all realize that they could do better without him.

There is a message here for other renegade men but I don’t know how long it will take them to understand it!

Meanwhile, let us real men continue the good work and continue to develop workable theories of counterfeminism so when the s**t really hits the fan, at least embryonic alternatives exist to the wreckage that feminists–and their allies in government, media, and other corporations–did so much to bring about.

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!

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Clarence February 17, 2012 at 11:37

Rebel:

That’s actually a good idea. I think I’ll do it and get back to you guys. I’ll tip you guys off when I start (don’t want any feminist trolls reading this and putting people on alert)sometime in the next month or two, and I’ll write up the results. Understand though, that except in lying about my sex and maybe also running a “transgendered” character, I’ll give them my honest opinions about things. That being said, I will indeed try to throw in a few lookist or other insults about celebrities or women in general and see what happens. I haven’t decided which blogs to attempt this on yet, part of me was thinking feministe as they tend to have some of the most hilarious comment policies in terms of shooting each other in the head due to small slights.

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rorschach February 17, 2012 at 11:46

Hi-fucking-larious. I guess Hugo never bothered to think how the frog and scorpion story might apply to his situation. Carry feminists…get stabbed in the back.
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

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Epoche* February 17, 2012 at 11:56

Anyone who preaches the personal is the political will find the dagger stabbed in their neck quickly. Jean Paul Sartre and his lover the femcunt Simone Beauvoire molested children. Naomi Wolf was recently on TV debating another liberated women about Assange the meaning of rape http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nvcIbvEt3w
In this interview their was no discussion about how a man could obtain consent. So my conclusion is that Schwyzer is a dickhead who deserves everything that they throw at him.

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Ryu February 17, 2012 at 11:57

It’s a good realization. But how far is the MRM going to extend this? Alone it’s not worth much, this should have been realized long ago.

Females are not the only group playing the victim card. Do you think any “protected” male group will hesitate to hang a white MRA out to dry? Many white MRAs are just as delusional as your man here Schwayer.

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keyster February 17, 2012 at 12:10

Correspondingly, there are several vociferous MRA’s that feel the same exact way about women who sympathize with men and men’s rights. They can never say anything good enough or right enough without being dismissed and ridiculed because they happen to be a “she”. And the site administrators that dare allow them to speak are called “manginas”.

The militant, radical, bigoted, gender-seperatist idealogue is not limited to the Feminists. Pots that call Kettles black should tread lightly.

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J February 17, 2012 at 12:27

Ahhhhh, the cracks are starting, the pressure is building, the magmma is pushing, and an earthquake is soon to follow.

The sad thing for those not “us” will be that we won’t go down with the ship for them, because we are not even on it. We don’t even care! They made their bed, they can sleep in it….let their ocean of lies be their blanket.

I wonder if good’ol Hugo will let one of those fine ladies have his seat so he can swim to shore now?

LOL

Good riddance to the whole lot of them.

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Oddsock February 17, 2012 at 12:37

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Rebel February 17, 2012 at 13:01

@Clarence:

With proper manipulation, you could make them spit their venom.

And then, once you have picked up enough of it, you could rub their faces in their own spittle by revealing your true identity (i.e. being a man) and thanking them for showing the world what vile creatures they are. You could also mention that their venom will be published on every MRA site.

That would make them blue in the face.

If you are creative, you can make it even worse. Think Macchiavel…
There are things I cannot mention here. You understand?

And then, when you will tell us about the dirty tricks, we can all split a gut laughing…

What beautiful word begins with a V?

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W.F. Price February 17, 2012 at 13:07

Females are not the only group playing the victim card. Do you think any “protected” male group will hesitate to hang a white MRA out to dry?

-Ryu

Probably, if someone presumes to speak for them. The key to avoiding it is to speak for oneself. Speaking in defense of people and speaking for them are not quite the same — one is advocacy and the other usurpation. Hugo’s mistake was confusing the two.

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Just1X February 17, 2012 at 13:11

@Oddsock

“Keyster – Are you trying to tell us you’re really Hugo Whatshisface ?”

Wasn’t that a story line on Scooby-do?

He’d probably have got away with it too, if it wasn’t for those pesky, meddlesome kids

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Just1X February 17, 2012 at 13:14

@Clarence

you go ‘gyrrrrl’

I’m looking forward to your report because, entre-nous, I think that they might have double standards over which sex is allowed to say what…shocking I tell you, shocking

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Oddsock February 17, 2012 at 13:18

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Art Vandelay February 17, 2012 at 13:19

And then, once you have picked up enough of it, you could rub their faces in their own spittle by revealing your true identity (i.e. being a man) and thanking them for showing the world what vile creatures they are. You could also mention that their venom will be published on every MRA site.

Even better, you’ll be sowing the seeds of distrust, so they’ll accuse each other of being double agents and things like that. Always fun to watch. Best when you are able to hijack an account (although to be fair anyone could post as Art Vandelay here). Not that I pretty much care about taking the war to them.

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Geography Bee Finalist himself February 17, 2012 at 13:23

America’s most vocal male feminist ally has just been kicked to the curb by the feminists who he so worshiped.

I can’t wait for this to happen to Manginaboobz.

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Tom936 February 17, 2012 at 13:48

Correspondingly, there are several vociferous MRA s that feel the same exact way about women who sympathize with men and men s rights. They can never say anything good enough or right enough without being dismissed and ridiculed because they happen to be a she .

If you’re talking about just a few who call obscenities at harmless women posting here, then there have been times when I agree with you. It doesn’t reach Dzodan-esque proportions, though.

On the other hand, there’s a long history of women who post on our boards but in their hearts, are solidly on Team Woman. They are not our friends. There are women who are our allies, bless them, but I could count them on the fingers of one hand.

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Gunn February 17, 2012 at 14:47

Keyster wrote:

“Correspondingly, there are several vociferous MRA’s that feel the same exact way about women who sympathize with men and men’s rights. They can never say anything good enough or right enough without being dismissed and ridiculed because they happen to be a “she”. And the site administrators that dare allow them to speak are called “manginas”.”

This is a somewhat fair point, but nuanced. In general I think sites like this one get it about right, where comments made by (any) poster are dissected on their own merits rather than prejudice, but there are bound to be some posters who are less tolerant of womens’ views (often driven by their own experiences of course).

There are/were some obvious feminist trolls that never added to the debate here, and they don’t seem to be very vocal these days; I’m not sure if they lost interest, or if their inane comments fall foul of the current moderation policy.

However, theres a difference between a well thought out, sourced, and articulated point being posted that engages discussion (even if you might disagree with it) vs. someone’s ‘feeeeeeling’ about the way the world should be. 99.9% of times on feminst sites male opinion of the former type will be censored whilst the femiwhales have a feeding frenzy on the special unique feeeeeelings each of them has (which ironically look exactly the same to an unbiased observer at any distance greater than arm’s length).

One other thing – mens’ discussions are fact based, and grounded in reality; therefore, differences of opinion, even when expressed in hostile or sarcastic ways, are entirely valid and accepted by participants. If a woman (or man) can’t deal with this, its not up to the site to change to accommodate them. Sometimes women who claim to ‘feel’ alienated by mens’ sites simply don’t have the mental fortitude and robustness to discuss matters in such an environment. It doesn’t mean that the other participants are hostile to them, its simply nothing personal.

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Andrew S. February 17, 2012 at 14:49

Reminds me of my aunts. The leftist feminists they are, threw me under the bus when I needed them most. I have had to deal with some very traumatic issues in my life, and when I needed the SRS worker, the Head Start employee, and various other liberal minded social justice fighting family members, well, they were no where to be seen.

I have seen these women up and close, as I’m sure I’m not the only on this site who has had personal relationships with these types of women, but I have no problem at all saying that for all their social justice fighting, they are basically very flawed people who do in fact dislike most men.

If you play ball like Hugo did they might throw a little compassion your way, and show you a little love, but sooner or later you they will dismiss you for whatever “issues” you have.

I have seen very few women in these lines of work that I would consider decent people. They love their govt. jobs, and feminism more than they do the people they are supposed to be helping, and they certainly have very little love or compassion for men. Even their own family members.

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Joe February 17, 2012 at 15:01

Ahahahahahaahaaaa!! So good to see Hugo getting thrown under the bus!
The only reason Hugo: a junkie attempted murderer – who was never punished and “forgave himself” for his own crime – was somehow seen as a good spokesperson, must be because feminists assumed all men are like Hugo! He was their boogeyman on-a-leash. The dude is purely scum. Good to see him lose his public platform, and hopefully soon his job as a Gender Studies “professor” too. Get a real job Hugo! I suggest becoming a sewer worker, you’ll be right at home with all the other rats!

@Rebel – there’s a lot of hate for m-to-f transexuals by rad-feminists. They feel their female privelge is threatened (even though only a very small % of people born male actually transition). Look up how Germaine Greer tried to terminate the career of a fellow Cambridge don, a physics professor who had transitioned m-to-f as an undergraduate. This was way back when. To the credit of Cambridge they stood up to Greer’s bullying.

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Rocco February 17, 2012 at 15:05

Females are barely making their presence known in the MRM and already men start dissention cloaked as chivalry.

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Just Some Canadian February 17, 2012 at 15:08

By the way, there was an excellent article in the Altantic last month about the problem of blue collar employment. Very long but very good.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/01/making-it-in-america/8844/

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Brian February 17, 2012 at 15:12

Hugo Schwyzer, you poor deluded fool. You just _had_ to believe in feminism and staunchly preach it. Now you’re learning about a piece of reality the hard way. How’s the pain feel, the betrayals and injustices?

You proudly drank the kool-aid. The feminists will laugh in your face as you die, piss on your corpse, and write as you off in a history book as one more evil, disgusting man.

Why don’t you try the red pill for once?

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Oddsock February 17, 2012 at 15:17

Exactly Rocco but I think it is the opposite way around, chivalry cloaked as dissention. Wouldn’t things be so much better if these guys offered the same support for other men. Sadly, as has always been the case, they much prefer to attack other men and hide behind all the usual rationalizations.

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W.F. Price February 17, 2012 at 15:27

Females are barely making their presence known in the MRM and already men start dissention cloaked as chivalry.

-Rocco

I’m starting to realize that this site does provide something that’s been missing from society for a while — a men’s space. Because that’s what it’s become, I think it ought to stay that way. Fortunately, that’s happened quite naturally, so it doesn’t take much effort on my part to keep it as such.

However, if other sites want more intersex cooperation, that’s fine, and could be a good thing. I’m just glad I don’t have to deal with the inevitable bickering that results.

The Spearhead: For Men, By Men
;)

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Avenger February 17, 2012 at 15:56

Females want an alpha man not some arse kissing toady who agrees with them, and that includes feminist females too. Even Gloria Steinem while spewing her nonsense had a wealthy S African bf and you can be sure that she didn’t wear the pants in any relationship. Stereotypical feminist men like Phil Donohue and Alan Alda etc for example, were men with money and fame. Feminism is just another female tactic to weed out the lower caste men who no female wants. Females need to be dominated to get sexually excited and only the top men can overcome the hurdles they put in the way.

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Anonymous Reader February 17, 2012 at 16:11

Welmer
I’m starting to realize that this site does provide something that’s been missing from society for a while — a men’s space.

Men’s space has been missing since the second wave feministas went after it in the 1970′s. I used to think that was just a side effect of second stage feminism, but now with more years of experience I am convinced it was deliberate. Just as there was no place in East Germany to every discuss anything without a STASI informer hearing it, by 1980 – 85 there was no place in the US to discuss anything without a woman hearing it, and thus a feminist hearing about it. The knowledge that someone is listening to your conversation who can bring down the power of the state on your head leads to self-censorship. Self-censorship means everyone begins to think he’s “the only one who thinks this way”, and that is exactly what tyrants want.

The most useful thing Spearhead does for a lot of men, the men who never comment, is show them “No, bro’, it ain’t just you. You aren’t the only one. Not by a long shot”. Thanks again for that, Welmer.

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Anonymous Reader February 17, 2012 at 16:14

Hugo’s saga shows that no matter what a man does, it will never be enough for feminists. Therefore, logically, what should men do for feminists?

No-thing.

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Omnipitron February 17, 2012 at 16:15

“…And Now, He Will Come Knocking At The Door Of The MRM…

…Where We Will Be Waiting With 12-Gauge Shotguns…”

And there you have it, after all the time he has ‘invested’ hanging men out to dry with his former feminists cronies and making enemies left right and center, he’s fast becoming a man without a country. The fluffy feminists don’t want him and men can’t stand him so where does he fit in now?

Let him stand out there in no man’s land, he made his bed and he did so willingly. Gotta wonder how long he will sit there and ruminate over his past, thinking what it was that he had done to wrong his ‘overseers’ in such a manner. The more he considers his error, the more he will have to rationalize because the truth that we all now will be a very hard pill to swallow.

Not that I care that is.

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crella February 17, 2012 at 16:23

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35qe0m/

Hugo is Hugo, and he was bad news from the beginning, but the other aspect that is being exposed every time they turn on one of their own, is how much feminism is about making the ‘right’ choice, the ‘choice’ in lockstep with all other feminists, toeing the party line. Feminism is not about ‘choice for women’ but those choices that further the ideology. The last person to be attacked like this was, until she made an unpopular decision, alongside Marcotte as one of the main icons of the movement, Jessica Valenti. Her sin? To get married, and to wear a wedding dress that could be mistaken as white (it was pearl grey). Every single aspect of her wedding ceremony was analyzed and trashed as cowing to the patriarchy. They literally turned on her overnight.

The movement is fundamentally dishonest and deceptive, and they prove it every time they do something like this.

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Anonymous Reader February 17, 2012 at 16:23

It will be interesting to see what happens to Hugo after this. On the one hand, he’s shown a great deal of adaptability in terms of sucking up to the matriarchy. On the other hand, he clearly isn’t very smart socially – he should have known that no matter how many pats he got on the head from his mistresses, there was no way they would ever treat him as an equal.

He might fade away into obscurity, teaching at some California community college, except for all the hate pages feminists have directed at him could make even that option untenable. No way he can hope to land a writing gig at any of the official publications now.

If he winds up living in a box behind a Starbucks, I wonder if the feminists will celebrate that or just ignore it?

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Boxer February 17, 2012 at 16:24

The Spearhead: For Men, By Men

Thank you for this.

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Anonymous Reader February 17, 2012 at 16:29

Wait, I just thought of a possible way out for Hugo. He could claim some form of PTSD from his younger days is responsible for chemical imbalance in his brain, and that is responsible for all his behavior. Now, to make this work he’d have to go through some rounds of re-education via “counseling” as well as public groveling but he’s already demonstrated a real aptitude for the latter, and I’m sure some of his feminist friends at the Good Mangina Project could set him up with a feminist shrink.

Then, of course, he’d have to spend a lot of time writing about his false consciousness, and how he was blinded by dat DevilPatriarchy, but eh, that’s nothing new, either. The hardest part would be convincing the radfems he’s fully brainwashed.

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Boxer February 17, 2012 at 16:30

Hugo Schwyzer is a foetid pile of horse dung not because he is a self-loathing and emasculated little eunuch who hates his penis enough to slice and dice it for a woman (look it up, he really did).

He tried to murder another human being who was not attacking him. This transcends politics, race, religion, sexism or any other issue. Considering this simple fact, the feminists and everyone else are right to hate him. He is as loathsome a piece of shit as anyone, anywhere, by his own admission. The fact that he got away with this (feigning some sort of mental illness) and now boasts about it is icing on the cake.

I know we’re all supposed to hate women here, but I think we can take time out to hate this attempted killer. The most basic ethical standards in human history decree that ol’ Hugo ought to just disappear. He’s unfit to walk the earth.

Regards, Boxer

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Shark February 17, 2012 at 16:30

“If he winds up living in a box behind a Starbucks, I wonder if the feminists will celebrate that or just ignore it?”

lol they will campaign to have his box taken away

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crella February 17, 2012 at 16:32

‘On the other hand, he clearly isn’t very smart socially – he should have known that no matter how many pats he got on the head from his mistresses, there was no way they would ever treat him as an equal. ‘

He bit into the whole ‘I’m a victim’ mentality. You read feminist blogs long enough and one thing that really is repetitive and smacks you in the face the most often is the number of feminists who claim to have been raped or abused in some way, and who post their horror stories. The ones how haven’t post “traumatic” stories of being ‘eye-raped’ by construction workers. There are also the confessionals, tales of dumbness before they saw the light. All these are met with sympathy and “support” and other blather about how they all feel the victim’s pain. I guess Hugo thought he’d fit in even better if he presented himself as wounded/scarred. If he were female, it would have worked…he’d have 200 shoulders to cry on. In their hypocrisy, a man attempting suicide isn’t dramatic, traumatic, or any of the other emotion glurge they usually love to lap up, but a SIN, a CRIME because Hugo is a man. They keep outing their real agenda, pay attention to the spats on the feminist blogs, they’re telling!

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crella February 17, 2012 at 16:33

‘emotional’ glurge’

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Anonymous Reader February 17, 2012 at 16:33

Tell me, Boxer, were you really surprised to learn that Hugo had tried to murder someone? I know I wasn’t. I bet if he’d tried to murder a man instead of a woman, the feminists would not care, too.

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Avenger February 17, 2012 at 16:35
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crella February 17, 2012 at 16:35

‘Now, to make this work he’d have to go through some rounds of re-education via “counseling” ‘

He’s already been committed one or two times in psychiatric wards, had counseling, found Jesus, the whole nine yards and they still aren’t forgiving him. Were he a woman…

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Boxer February 17, 2012 at 16:38

Dear Anon:

I actually was pretty shocked by the brazen account on his blog, written in his usual sickeningly sweet style, as though attempted murder was some sort of tribulation which made old Hugo some sort of “better man”.

The male/female double standard can be called out here, but as men I think it’s important that we hold our own to a minimal level of accountability. No society can survive with such scum running around loose.

That’s really all I want to say about ol’ Hugo the wannabe killer. The quicker he fades into the depths of nutcase obscurity (which is his rightful place) the quicker I can forget about him, and the better off we’ll all be.

Regards, Boxer

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Anonymous Reader February 17, 2012 at 16:39

But crella, all of those things don’t re-establish feminist correctness. That’s the key issue. Feminism is a variant of Marxism, and rather similar to Maoism nowadays.

So Hugo’s in the same position as an intellectual in China circa 1970 – he’s been declared a “ghost” or maybe a “running dog counter-revolutionary”. Some number of those sent down to the countryside were able to return to favor, during the Cultural Revolution, though, by demonstrating full re-education in “Mao Tse Tung Thought”.

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crella February 17, 2012 at 16:41

;-)

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35qryw/

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Paradoxotaur February 17, 2012 at 16:43

@AR: “Men’s space has been missing since the second wave feministas went after it”

Actually, men’s spaces just went ghost. I’ve always found men’s spaces: ocean fishing clubs, adventure touring motorcyclists, hard core mountain biking, the list goes on and on- segregated by interests (and a willingness to get up really early, endure physical discomfort, and get dirty/wet/cold), not restrictions or rules. We also usually eat like kings. It’s quite amazing, really, how good the food is in these groups.

“If he winds up living in a box behind a Starbucks, I wonder if the feminists will celebrate that or just ignore it?”

Well, I know that I won’t give half a rat.

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Paradoxotaur February 17, 2012 at 16:45

crella-

Where did you get that picture of Amanda? It must have been taken, like what, forty years ago? Isn’t she almost as old as Maureen Dowd?

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Anonymous Reader February 17, 2012 at 17:16

Paradoxotaur, a good point. However there hasn’t been any place like a men’s club to talk since the 70′s.

I dunno about 40 years ago, but that picture of Marcotte looks like it was taken 40 pounds ago.

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W.F. Price February 17, 2012 at 17:31

Men’s space has been missing since the second wave feministas went after it in the 1970′s. I used to think that was just a side effect of second stage feminism, but now with more years of experience I am convinced it was deliberate.

-AR

Oh, it was totally deliberate. Lawsuits wrecked official men’s clubs by the 80s, and today they’ve been cowed into obedience. It’s kind of pathetic, actually. So much of the outside world used to consist of men’s space, but now it’s only SWAT teams and such that are allowed that privilege as enforcers of female will. So sad to see the “manly” men working exclusively as feminists’ bitches.

I can’t legally make this a “men’s only” place today, and for that reason I won’t. But I can simply refuse to cater to feminine sensibility, and apparently that has the same effect.

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Nico February 17, 2012 at 17:36

This man is a snake. He belongs to feminism.

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Rocco February 17, 2012 at 17:40

@ Price

I wouldn’t say this is a place where women aren’t welcome from the posts I read here, plenty of women post with relevant and non-aggressive posts, but it is a place where men can put forth their ideas for a solution for themselves and their families without fear, fear being the main tool of the Femtardistas.

But even here, just for mentioning it, I get 1 up vote and 4 down, such is the brain washing or feminst readership.

Wait 20 years when Troll King and his buddies are the ones posting here…….lol.

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crella February 17, 2012 at 17:46

Paradoxotaur, someone I know created that meme page, that’s just one I did.

That picture is fairly recent, she’s only 34 years old.

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Rebel February 17, 2012 at 17:56

Before you guys decide to hit me on the head, I say: YES, this is completely off-topics, but I just couldn’t resist the temptation….

I’ve been talking a lot about freedom…. well, here is something that illustrates my numerous comments on freedom.

Just take a look at this vid:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJsDOD0dTQI&feature=related

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Steve_85 February 17, 2012 at 18:07

@Rocco
For what it’s worth, we are the future, and the future is PISSED at how they’ve been treated.

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Thomas Tell-Truth February 17, 2012 at 18:10

Hugo is a prime example of Homo Domesticus. And like any domesticated creature, now that he has served his purpose he is being sent to the slaughterhouse by his erstwhile masters.

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andybob February 17, 2012 at 18:23

Great. Another opportunity to watch the female herd in motion as it gracelessly stampedes over it’s bloodied victim. As others have indicated, Mr Schwyzer has long paraded his pecadillos – he’s even quite proud of some of them – with barely a murmer of censure from his former keepers. I read about his sleeping with his students on his own blog a long time ago.

What happened? Why have feminists suddenly pretended to take issue over facts they’ve known for quite a while? In my experience, women can be whipped into frenzies of destructive vitriol over the most trivial and mundane matters. Mr Schwyzer may not have replied to an e-mail with requisit speed. He may, God forbid, have sent the wrong kind of chocolates (soon to become an act of domestic violence under the newly-expanded definition) to Ms Marcotte. Perhaps he let slip his allergy to cats.

Whatever Mr Schwyzer did to ‘earn’ the ire of a well-placed rad-fem, you can be sure it was something staggeringly inane. Loyalty for its own sake is an alien concept among most women. Two women I know ended a 25-year frindship because one of them chose to sit at a table in a pub that the other one didn’t like (I mean, WTF!!!). Serves him right for allying himself with angry, brittle man-haters. I have no idea what his next move will be. He could be finished, but then…

Mr Schwyzer is a huckster, a shape- shifter, a slimy opportunist who decided long ago that the gravy train of feminism was his ticket to success. He would have advocated for men’s rights if doing so had guaranteed minor success as a media whore. He’ll probably try to regroup and figure out a how to spin it to his advantage. At least he still has his ‘career’ as a Gender Studies lecturer (smirk).

Feminists barely tolerate the likes of Misters Futrelle, Katz and Matlack. They sit nervously beneath the banquet table of feminism, yearning for scraps and the occasional pat on the head. This is a dangerous place for them, but they have chosen to be there. As such, I have no compassion for them when their mistresses, probably on nothing more substantial than a whim, send them off to the pound to take that long, long, walk.

Mr Schwyzer was raised by a feminist mother “who kept copies of “Ms.” magazine on the coffee table”. Good one Mum. You set him up as a useless poser, despised by men and women alike.

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fmz February 17, 2012 at 19:32

H-you-go had the most contrived and complicated pick-up technique ever know to mankind, namely… being a feminasty mangina.

Willie ever learn?

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Ryu February 17, 2012 at 19:44

There is alot of commend in having an “echo chamber”, where everyone is of the same mind. I highly advise it.

Diversity is not a strength. Certainly diversity of opinion is not a strength when you are trying to accomplish something. A little bit of deviation is alright.

As the MRM goes from an internet to real world phenomena, even less diversity will be permissible. The military does not allow diverse opinions about the enemy, at least in public. Also, the feminists are not overly diverse in their opinions; there are a few extremists who’d like to exterminate all men, and a few very moderate feminists but the general direction is the same.

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Avenger February 17, 2012 at 19:55

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Avenger February 17, 2012 at 20:12

Here,I made an official MRM motto

Nos instituo hostes hostium quod is est nos.

*excuse the crappy Latin, I haved seen a grammar in 50 years.

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Avenger February 17, 2012 at 20:15

OK it should be

We have met the enemy, and they are us

Having a hard time getting the Latin right. :)

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GT66 February 17, 2012 at 20:23

Poor

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Rebel February 17, 2012 at 20:29

@Avenger:

“Nos instituo hostes hostium quod is est nos.”

Βρήκαμε τον εχθρό και είναι μαζί μας.

Google translate is a magnificent tool… Hahaha!!!

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GT66 February 17, 2012 at 20:29

Poor Hugo. When it rains it pours, even Wikipedia wants to banish him:

Hugo Schwyzer: This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia’s deletion policy.

Hugo might consider this for his next article: 10 Ways to Turn Yourself into a National Pariah, the Hugo Schwyzer Story

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GT66 February 17, 2012 at 20:39

W.F. Price “I can’t legally make this a “men’s only” place today, and for that reason I won’t. But I can simply refuse to cater to feminine sensibility, and apparently that has the same effect.”

That’s ok. Some things we men like just exude a natural female repellant as any gear head who likes to hang around in greasy car garages can readily attest. Another good man’s space is anywhere real physical labor has to be or is being performed. Drives off the gina like a can of Raid. Need proof? Just start digging a hole in your yard. You’ll draw every guy from the houses around you but there won’t be a woman in sight!

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Avenger February 17, 2012 at 20:54

that’s all Greek to me :)

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Avenger February 17, 2012 at 20:55

* besides being incorrect lol

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GT66 February 17, 2012 at 21:01

andybob: “Whatever Mr Schwyzer did to ‘earn’ the ire of a well-placed rad-fem, you can be sure it was something staggeringly inane.”

Really? Do you guys really not see the parallel between the feminists excommunication of Schwyzer and the way women toss their beta husbands into the trash bin of divorce? Hugo simply “did” to the feminists what many men here have “done” to their women: he and we outlived our usefulness to the gina collective.

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Rocco February 17, 2012 at 21:45

@ GT66

As Matlock and Hugo girl is figuring out failure to please the herd results in exommunication.

What did they do to earn the ire of Organized Federal Feminism or OFF(tm) was not turn us back toward the herd.

Both Hugo, Matlock, Futrelle and the three sociologists that love to hate men like Kimmel’s jobs were to corral the mens rights movement.

They have failed spectacularly in fact, the MRM is becoming so scarry that they are getting rid of the old method and will try something new.

Probably something having to do with men over 30 saying certain things being hate speech and the internet is protected like tv.

One way or the other, they will fail, as has Hugo girl, because his failure is a failure of femnism to reach men at all.

Women don’t have a clue about men, especially feminists.

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Avenger February 17, 2012 at 22:20

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evilwhitemalempire February 17, 2012 at 22:38

@Clarence

Is that your picture in your avatar? You look just like the kind of guy who would have been a feminist at one time.

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andybob February 17, 2012 at 23:21

“Really? Do you guys really not see the parallel between the feminists excommunication of Schwyzer and the way women toss their beta husbands into the trash bin of divorce?” Mr GT66

Umm…yes of course I see the parallel. That was the whole point of the comment. Women don’t need valid reasons to turn on you – and they probably don’t really have one about Schwyzer. Read it again dude.

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stonelifter February 18, 2012 at 01:45

one of the reasons I love my job is it’s men only, and almost exclusively rural White men

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MRA February 18, 2012 at 03:49

That is the difference between MRM and feminism, MRM are able to take women’s opinion and collaboration like Dra T, girlwritewhat ect, feminists can’t take male point of view because they hate it, when men star having voice withing feminism outside the “male bashing” the empire will fall, that is why they try to avoid men from having any opinion, the hypocrisy is feminist politicians women can have total control over men’s rights but when men have opinion like now on the congress and the birth control debate, is a hysteria because there are 5 men a not women, but feminist picture this as “women’s heath” even birth control like condoms is not women’s health, it is Obama’s strategies bring this in the last moment before election then he will come like the white knight and mangina he is and make possible total birth coverage for the wimyn encouraging wimyn vote for him warning that if any republican get elected president all of that privileges will be stop.

“Rebel February 17, 2012 at 10:25
If this guy ever comes knocking at the MRA door, (which I suspect he may do) please shoot him.
After all, they kill horses, don’t they?”

You know why big, strong and hunters dog are the ones called “MAN best friend”?

Let see how fast he can run.

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Andrew S. February 18, 2012 at 04:16

I actually think it will be quite a while before feminists turn on that fat fuck David Futrelle. Reasons being he is very good at throwing the red meat to his feminist readers. He has pretty much perfected the Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert snark routine. And if you google his picture it’s pretty easy to come to the conclusion that there are no women out there who are going to come out with some tawdry sexual scandal featuring Mr. Manboobz.

That being said, they probably will eventually turn on fatty.

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Andrew S. February 18, 2012 at 04:50

Let me add one more thing. If feminists keep throwing guys like Hugo Schwyzer and Anthony Weiner under the bus, all they will be left with is sad sacks like Futrelle. And I highly doubt that the feminist movement want’s guy’s like David Futrelle as the male face of their movement.

Men like Schwyzer and Weiner will almost always have skeletons in their closet, where as the Futrelle’s/Michael Moore’s will have none. This is a catch 22 for feminists in this hypermedia age. Attractive male feminists will continue pissing off women in the movement, and they will eventually be forced to present only the most laughable of men, or look the other way like they did with Kennedy’s and Clinton.

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Father Marker February 18, 2012 at 06:26

@Just Some Canadian. It was interesting to see how that article compared a lower paid female with limited mathematical skills and 3d comprehension with a guy who loves mathematics, logic and an ability to map things in 3d in his head.

I reckon that if feministas could find a way to ban the kinds of jobs that favor men as the kind of work that Luke does then they would do so. But then it would work against their own interests so I guess not.

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Just Some Canadian February 18, 2012 at 07:19

Let’s not shoehorn absolutely everything into our MRA concerns. They took two people, one of whom happened to be male and another female. The issue is that skilled jobs are where the money is. Unskilled jobs are not coming back; hence the problem outlined by the article.

The issue isn’t male versus female employees but what the f*** do we do with unskilled workers? Social cohesion is going to be at risk unless these people have work, male or female.

There was also a great article in Foreign Affairs a few months ago (paid subscription only, sorry) looking at that problem from another perspective: GDP and the unemployment rate have parted company, largely for the reasons outlined in the Atlantic article. The problem was hidden as housing financing was deregulated and ex-auto workers got jobs in construction.

Okay, now that the construction boom has ended, now what?

I’m a huge fan of high oil prices as then we’ll stop manufacturing every coffee pot and bolt in China. Energy prices on the march will nudge manufacturing back to Western Europe and North America but even then, factories use one tenth of the people today as compared to days gone by.

Will that leave twenty per cent of the population in a barter economy?

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Deborah February 18, 2012 at 07:44

I view Hugo’s ex-communication as a good sign.

Feminists are feeling very powerful these days, so much so, that they can now start purging their ranks of the useful male idiots that earlier joined them in moving their agenda forward. The feminists clearly believe that they no longer need the assist.

Once purged of the brigade of pussified men what are they left with?

Let the feminists purge the ranks of their pet males, it won’t dull their anger and once the men are gone they will need a new outlet for their frustrations. Who will be next within the rank and file?

I would tell any moderatly attractive feminist to watch her back, with the men gone they’ll be next on the hit list.

The feminists have hit their apex. I firmly believe this. It’s all down hill from here. The down side for society is that it will take a little time to undo that which has been foisted upon us for decades, but the upside is that it should provide some fine entertainment.

Me, I’m going to pop the corn, sit back and enjoy watching these bitchy hags punch themselves out. I’m placing my bet on the linebackers with mullets to be last ones standing, at which point the movement can be declared legally dead.

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Charles Martel February 18, 2012 at 08:44

OT: Someone already mentioned this, but it’s well worth repeating. The new series of Survivor splits the tribes by sex. Men’s tribe, women’s tribe.

You can watch the first episode on CBS’s web site here . It’s hi-larious. The women are unable to get a fire going and so are weaving palm fronds for the men in exchange for fire within 24 hours. Priceless. And there’s more.

The best part is – zero chivalry. With the exception of one stereotypical swishy gay guy, the men pretty much ignore the women. The women are genuinely confused and dismayed when their manipulation attempts fail.

The setup of this series of Survivor immediately exposes the women’s cattiness, inability to work together and lack of practical skills. This is a major deviation from the MSM PC script of strong independent women and weak ineffective men. The worm is turning.

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scatmaster February 18, 2012 at 08:55

Charles Martel

Having never watched a “reality” show but knowing the way mainstream networks work I suspect that some how the show will be manipulated behind the scenes for these wimmin to come out on top in the end. The men in this case do not stand a chance. If I had a fiver I’d even give you odds.

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Charles Martel February 18, 2012 at 09:08

@scatmaster

Survivor has only one winner, one individual. The winner could certainly be one of the women. And yes, it’s a reality TV show and deserves no series consideration.

And yet, the first episode of this series is a wondrous thing. To see the veneer of competence stripped away from these women so quickly is priceless.

Just watch it. It’s well worth 45 minutes of your time.

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Clarence February 18, 2012 at 09:15

Deborah:

You misunderstand. Hugo had served his usefulness, and Mistress Whiplash (feminism) had no farther use for him, so he is discarded. Also, his submission was easy to obtain, and Mistresses *as a general rule* do not like that. They want their subs to be hard to get or at least good at playing that way, and a man like Schwyzer who basically thinks of himself as a worm is of no real interest to them except insofar as he can serve a purpose. Once that purpose is served, Bye , Bye, most of you male feminists!

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keyster February 18, 2012 at 09:20

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/us/for-women-under-30-most-births-occur-outside-marriage.html

“…explanations for marital decline start with home economics: men are worth less than they used to be. Among men with some college but no degrees, earnings have fallen 8 percent in the past 30 years, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, while the earnings of their female counterparts have risen by 8 percent.”

Men are worth less and by extension worthless, but no need to worry the sociologists have it covered:

“Family life is no longer about playing the social role of father or husband or wife, it’s more about individual satisfaction and self-development,” said Andrew Cherlin, a sociologist at Johns Hopkins University.

In other words all that’s needed is the “social role” of the mother, and of course the “Village” that provides food stamps and child care, in place of the father.

Men? Rather superfluous and even a little annoying.
The new “family” is defined as Mother, Child and State.

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Clarence February 18, 2012 at 09:20

Just Some Canadian:

Progress marches on and ultimately, no job short of personal service (of some type, probably mostly sexual in nature) is safe in terms of a category. They are getting to the point where they can replace scientists, also , some computers already have some limited self repair capabilities.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111013162937.htm

This is even larger than you think. I dare say that within 25 years at the most we are going to have to rethink the very fundamentals of our economy EVEN IF there is no worldwide currency collapse or energy crunch.

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Attila February 18, 2012 at 09:57

It’s all good — it shows manginas what may lie in store for them AND it also shows how intolerant the femwitches are….LOL.

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Rebel February 18, 2012 at 10:52

From that article in the “New-York Times”:

“One group still largely resists the trend: college graduates, who overwhelmingly marry before having children. That is turning family structure into a new class divide, with the economic and social rewards of marriage increasingly reserved for people with the most education. ”

We are collectively coming back to square one. Back before the 18th century, it was basically the same situation: only the rich were married, while the basic populace was living the way we are now starting to live. All children were “bastards”.

I don’t think we should worry too much about that. Rather, I think that this is a great opportunity for everybody to start living for themselves: it makes life much easier and carefree.

Take a second look at the tiny houses (Youtube) which may well become the new dwellings for most humans.

We are going to see changes so immense that in a few years, the world will become almost alien to most of us. Who knows what the future has in store? If we can avoid the nuclear holocaust, life may become simple and easy but frugal.

We can only guess that the changes forthcoming will be of great amplitude and, for sure, the world we once knew is gone for good.

It will be up to each of us to manage his or her “niche”.

My crystal ball is fuzzy, but what shines through is a rather primitive future.

And why not?

What’s so great about fighting traffic two hours every day, to struggle to makes ends meet, to worry about the next car or house payment or to pay impossible child support penalty?
What’s so nice about dying under stress and duress?
How much are we willing to pay in suffering for what we have come to call “civilization”?

What’s in it for us: isn’t that the ultimate question?

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Steve_85 February 18, 2012 at 12:08

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/us/young-mothers-describe-marriages-fading-allure.html?src=recg

“Older residents blamed the decline in marriage on government aid. Mary Grasso, a retired sweet shop owner, said men had stopped taking responsibility for their children because the state had stepped in with safety net programs. ”

And they were sooo close too. Should have read: men had stopped taking responsibility for their children because the state had stepped in and forced them to leave.

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Rocco February 18, 2012 at 13:10

@ Rebel

I don’t believe for one second that men and women with college educations divorce less often…..and isn’t that the statistic we care about?

Women like marriages, they get a great party and a slave.

Once hooked with marriage men are screwed.

I believe college women are better at manipulating men into marriage because their smarter.

I believe men from college marry because they have bought into the system. They’re not screwed yet.

But their fathers were and they are reading the writing on our wall.

College educated couples is the new propaganda from team women to convince men to commit.

Don’t do it guys, they are all like that.

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Avenger February 18, 2012 at 22:19

College educated couples is the new propaganda from team women to convince men to commit.

Nothing wrong with that BUT I’d want a marriage settlement first and I’d expect her and/or her parents to contribute assets to the marriage. This way if there was a divorce and we had to divide property 50/50 all she would be getting is what she put in. Of course any marriage settlement would be mine to keep as compensation for giving up my freedom in marriage and for any disruption in my life.

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ahamkara February 19, 2012 at 05:56

I don’t see anything terribly wrong with excluding women from discussions of men’s rights. It’s not their fight. In a logical world women might understand that they have something to gain from our success, but it’s still not their fight. It has to come from us. For the same reason, I understand why feminists would exclude men (even men who appear to be helpful and supportive) from their cause. It’s not our fight and it shouldn’t be. If they want that stuff they have to fight for it themselves. Same goes with discussions of race. I believe in equality of race but I don’t hang around NAACP headquarters trying to help out because it’s not my business. I do my best to treat those around me with respect and I go on trying to accomplish my own goals.

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Boxer February 19, 2012 at 07:59

Dear Avenger:

This way if there was a divorce and we had to divide property 50/50 all she would be getting is what she put in. Of course any marriage settlement would be mine to keep as compensation for giving up my freedom in marriage and for any disruption in my life.

50/50 is bullshit, at least in the USA. Go down to the divorce courts and talk to some of the fellows sitting on the benches and get the real picture.

The actual ratio is more like 80/20 with the 80 going to court costs and legal fees, and 20 to the woman. The bitch will get the house, esp. if she has kids, because she’s the woman. The house will have no more equity in it, because the lawyers convinced both parties to HELOC and mortgage the money to pay their fees.

The average man in the American State of Washington has to pay maintenance to the woman, which is the sanitized local word for alimony, if he has been married more than only a year or two. After ten to fifteen years, the average alimony judgment is for life, without end.

Unlike with child support, where there is a calculator and a schedule and they can not take more than half of a man’s earnings, alimony has no such restrictions. You had better believe that the asshole who puts on the black dress and bangs the gavel will be more than generous with your income when ordering you to give, and give, and give some more to the bitch you married. Also: with child support, there are set limits on how often the bitch can go back to court and ask for raises (in WA it’s every 3 years). With alimony, no such limits exist.

So you see: 50/50 is a lie. When averaged out over time, the married chump will end up paying closer to 80 percent of his lifetime earnings to the woman.

There are exceptions, but only in extreme cases. If you want to be a stay-at-home dad with no life at all, maybe you will pay less. If you are totally homeless and have never graduated high school, maybe you will get out of maintenance. I say maybe, because there’s no guarantee.

This all sounds like I’m making it up, I’m sure. I got it straight from the mouth of a friend of mine who is a professor at the law school on my campus. I encourage any and all brothers who have any questions to locate a competent professional in your local area and get the details. I am sure you’ll be as shocked as I was to see the real punishment for “doing the right thing” and marrying that hoe.

The answer, of course, is to never marry any woman, ever. No exceptions.

Regards, Boxer

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Oddsock February 19, 2012 at 08:06

Hear hear Boxer but don’t forget the poor shmuck that remains married to the ungrateful lazy fat arsed cow. How much of his income does that consume ?

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Boxer February 19, 2012 at 10:16

That’s true Bro. Oddsock: the married man who stays married might lose bigger than the man who manages to dump his hoe; but, the differences aren’t very significant thanks to modern divorce law.

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Avenger February 19, 2012 at 16:00

Boxer-you’re arguing with the wrong person. I’m a bachelor who has always been against marriage. What I wrote was for those who are Crazy enough to get married to mitigate any future damage that they will suffer. I didn’t say it was perfect.

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Common Monster February 19, 2012 at 16:09

This incident actually gets nicely at all the Game a guy needs to know:

1) If you act like a dumbshit, they will treat you as an equal.

2) If you act as an equal, they will treat you like a dumbshit.

Q.E.D.

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Avenger February 19, 2012 at 16:17

Ryu-most of these keyboard warriors are just one bj away from turning feminist themselves lol

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Jay February 19, 2012 at 17:25

“Schwyzer’s hubris, which he shares with other noted male feminist allies like Jackson Katz, Tony Porter, Byron Hurt, and David Futrelle is that they were victims of individually “tragic” pasts and they present those personal problems, tragic pasts and the subsequent issues they presented the women in their lives as being endemic of all men”

I would love to see a wiki or resources that discuss each of these guys and what their back story is.

I’d toss in Barry Deutsch as well, the guy behind Alas who thought it would be okay to raise money by selling his audience of feminists out by selling his domain name to pornographers.

Schwyzer & Deutsch I am familiar with, with how these guys have deeply flawed backgrounds with women and then rationalize their terrible behaviors by blaming it on all men.

But what is Futrelle’s story?

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Andrew S. February 19, 2012 at 19:13

Futrelle was probably raised by a single mother who was a hardcore feminist. Dad probably wasn’t in the picture much, and if he was, he was embarrased of what a what a wimpy little bitch he had sired.

Judging from his picture, Futrelle was picked on a lot in his youth by other boys. I doubt girls gave him much shit, just ignored him. But since he suffered so much ridicule at the hands of other boys, and was just ignored by the girls he probably saw males as the enemy at a young age.

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Auntie Pheminizm February 19, 2012 at 21:28

You go, Hugo! Now, you GONE!

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Auntie Pheminizm February 19, 2012 at 21:47

Great stuff!

It shows that, imperfect as they are, male-created enterprises work better than female ones.

It’s like sports: when males have disputes they either defer to an umpire/ref or hash out things themselves. Females, on the other hand, stop the game.

Women can’t handle conflict. They throw hissy fits, then throw up their hands, then storm out. Men roll with punches, trying to work things out.

If women ran the world there would be endless terror, enforced by feminist Star Chambers.

The truly great thing is that men are finally coming out of the emotional closets and learning to deal openly with long-repressed (because shamed!) feelings. Atop that, they maintain the savvy to build and maintain civilization. So watch what happens when men stop participating in misandric enterprises that support feminism!

When men no longer work themselves to death, refusing to subsidize anti-male “battered women’s shelters” and so on, what will feminists do? Who will tend the heating plants in their buildings?

That is, men will be in a much better position to enjoy the coming shitstorm feminists lit 50 years ago. Guys will have intellectual and emotional savvy along with traditional “male” skills like carpentry, hunting, car maintenance, etc.

What will women have, especially feminists ones? Nada! They will set fire to all their “Women’s Studies” diplomas and be warm for one day. Then? Reality will bite their bulbous, mottled, boil-covered butts big time!

Can’t happen soon enough.

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Auntie Pheminizm February 19, 2012 at 22:14

> “Hugo Schwyzer…tried to murder another human being who was not attacking him.”

So?

If Hugo were female, and the “human being” male, and the former succeeded in killing the latter…feminists would have CHEERED.

Feminists made the killing of non-attacking males a sacrament. They call it “battered women’s syndrome.” Usually there is no history of abuse and the dead male can’t defend himself. So for females, the perfect alibi and stay-out-of-jail pass.

Hugo’s ATTEMPTING to kill another human isn’t the reason he was drummed from the rotten apple corps (fembotulism). It’s either because he is male… or the victim female.

Again, feminists aren’t against violence. They’re just against men being equally violent to female victims.

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American February 19, 2012 at 23:02

The missinformation and manufactures statisrics Alliance between American Law enforcement, and Gender-Raunch, have made the Gender-Raunch community into a social and political powerhouse.
I say,; “break”.. this perversion and manufactured statistics Alliance.

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Auntie Pheminizm February 19, 2012 at 23:12

Boxer:

Aside from alimony, there is child support, which is not as clear-cut as you seem to indicate. In fact, it’s one more endless “waterboarding” men get after divorce.

A judge can “impute” what s/he thinks you should pay. So even if you’re unemployed, s/he can say you must pay $2000/mo if your credentials suggest you “could.”

Guys usually have to pay for “visits” with their kids, too, including food, gifts, plane tickets, etc. (when the ex sees fit to “let” her former husband be with the children she considers her chattel).

Worse, in some states men have to pay for kids’ educations until they reach…23! S0 be prepared to fork over another $100K+ for grad school.

Feminists still say “Men have all the power.” In fact, men have all the burdens. Yet feminist propaganda succeeds because it counts on mothers having socialized sons to be ashamed of expressing feelings of need, sadness, vulnerability, etc. What sons, now men, willing to stand up publicly and proclaim, “I have no power!”? It’d be like going up to a hot woman, admitting you’re currently unemployed but DREAMING of getting a part -time librarian job in a daycare center, and asking her out.

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TonyPony February 20, 2012 at 13:56

The thing htat must be retained is that feminist male allies should just kneel back and say “Yes mistress!”.

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poester99 February 20, 2012 at 18:24

Avenger

Ryu-most of these keyboard warriors are just one bj away from turning feminist themselves lol

….would have to one hell of a bj, and would have to include a steak…

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pb February 20, 2012 at 23:58

Charles Martel – Thanks for the tip about Survivor. I will keep an eye on future episodes to see what happens.

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van Rooinek February 21, 2012 at 10:23

If Hugo sees the error of his ways, and comes repentantly knocking on the door of the MRA…. We should welcome him with open arms. And rejoice, and be exceedingly glad.

Can you imagine the embarassment to the feminists? Hugo publicly confessed and repented of his sins, both real (eg seducing students) and imaginary (eg, simple manhood) — and pursued the path of being a feminist “ally” as far as it is possible for a physically male entity to go… only to be rejected by them in the end anyway. It’s as if he spent a lot of his adult life trying to prepare the feminist feast, only to be told that he has no place at the table.

No doubt he’s having second thoughts. Hugo is a NATURAL convert for our side. And he’d make a great spokesman.

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Demosthenes XXI February 23, 2012 at 12:46

@Jay

Both Hurt and Porter are African American men with troubled backgrounds. Porter talks often about his urban upbringing and Hurt personally cites an abusive father as his rationale for becoming a feminist.

These men feel that all men share a commonality of tragedy that leads us all to be abusive toward women in one fashion or another. These men believe that masculinity in of itself is toxic and a contributing factor to our all being collectively misogynists.

I call it “hubris” because they openly wave that flag and use it as a selling point in promoting their personal feminist agendas. These men cannot speak for all of us, and yet they claim to do so before their feminist allies and those self-same allies buy into their claims without hesitation because it in turn, plays into their misandrist agenda.

But as we see, it doesn’t matter because contrary to what a lot of so-called feminists claim; their movement is not about helping men and women. Any sort of sympathetic voice from a feminist toward men will get you branded a traitor.

Talk to Erin Pizzey about what happened when she openly claimed that men should be able to benefit from DV shelters and that feminists had perverted the intent of what she created. Feminists sent her death threats, poisoned her pets, and just caused her no end of hell.

I could go on, but you get the point, right?

Demosthenes XXI February 23, 2012 at 12:49

@vanRooinek

Hugo would not make a good spokesperson for us because Hugo is damaged goods. Schwyzer is a misanthrope who is too caught up in the rockstar allure of his own ego to be of any benefit to anyone. He was not a truly credible spokesperson for feminism but as long as he pissed on men, they found him useful.

With all of the tawdry baggage that is his life, he would be more of a liability than an asset to the MRM.

Ethical February 25, 2012 at 18:44

This article raised an interesting point, but for me it’s not the intended one. Before reading it I believed feminism was an evil blight on the earth. After reading the article and spending a moment reflecting on what could possibly make a man become a feminist like Hugo, I surprised myself with the admission that feminism had actually accomplished one or two good things. While I still believe that the fundamental inability of most women to show restraint makes feminism less a quest for equal rights than a crusade for complete subjugation of men, you also have to wonder … if there ARE ever legitimate human rights issues that affect largely women, who but the feminists (male or female) will address them? Despite my hatred (yes hatred) of feminists, it seems they have a legitimate reason to exist.
Having said that, most feminist writings are incredibly selfish and self indulgent and have no legitimate purpose. They ignore male tragedies to misconstrue human rights issues so they become feminist issues. War in Afghanistan to save women from the veil anyone?

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DelTaco February 27, 2012 at 23:50

Too funny. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

What I love about this is that the feminists think of their ideology as a game. And you lose by not being doctrinaire enough. Feminism is all about posturing and gaining status over other feminists.

What’s funny is feminists tying themselves in knots trying to explain why they have a problem with Hugo Shwyzer ejaculating on their faces.

Ooh what a tangled web we weave!

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Darkproxy April 2, 2012 at 14:55

I though a slut herder was a pimp? Oh well this mangina or whatever pathetic excuse of a man is has this coming. He is just proving to all that men aren’t welcomed in feminism no matter how much they try or how often they demonize men and masculinty

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Anonymous August 4, 2013 at 08:17

Well I suppose since the feminists didn’t heed the warnings of the mra people, the latter can say ‘told ya so! At least it!s summat that both feminists and mras can agree on :/

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