As Mancession Fades, Women “Suffer”

by W.F. Price on February 10, 2012

I saw a news story the other day asking why men were getting most of the jobs in the economic recovery, which has been slow and meager in any event. Evidently, when men no longer have significantly higher unemployment than women, it is a national tragedy. Throughout the recession, and even today, men have had higher unemployment, but now they have reached near parity with women.

The culprit? According to Daily Kos, public sector layoffs. Due to decreases in public revenue, government had little choice but to cut these positions to avoid default. The lower public revenue was a direct result of men’s inability to pay tax, which goes to show that women, even when working, rely heavily on men. This brings up the question of why, when men were disproportionately suffering in the recession, feminists were crowing about their supremacy and men’s misfortune. There can only be a few answers to this:

Ingratitude

When men support women in any way, rather than appreciate it, feminists tend to feel this support is a privilege they deserve simply for being women. We often call this the “entitlement mentality.” This sense of entitlement, however, is rarely paired with any efforts to make it convenient for men to support women, or any reciprocity whatsoever.

Hatred and lack of empathy

Seeing men suffer seems to give a great number of feminists pleasure. They write articles about how pathetic men are, proclaim themselves more “evolved” and better suited to the modern world, and generally abuse the unfortunate — when they are men. However, when the tables turn ever so slightly, immediately one can hear wailing, tales of woe and proclamations of victimhood.

Short-sighted stupidity

You’d think that feminists would take a look at the reality of the situation, wherein the huge majority of the funds directed their way are a result of wealth creation, an overwhelmingly male endeavor. From Norm Brinker’s founding of the Susan G. Komen breast cancer foundation to the millions of men slaving away as private sector workers and businessmen to pay taxes, the money feminists feel they are entitled to comes from men far more often than not. However, rather than try to preserve and foster that income stream, they do everything in their power to destroy it by denying men opportunities, kicking them when they are down, refusing to give them any breaks, demanding they be handicapped in schools, the workplace and business, etc.

The reaction to the mancession and recovery proves feminists to be moral cretins with a third-rate understanding of consequences and the most basic economic principles. If anything should entirely discredit them, this ugly reaction to national hardship is it. Not only are they incapable of sound judgment and bereft of decency, they cannot even take the necessary steps to take care of themselves.

So why, again, do feminists have any authority in any institution at all? Their net effect is damaging, not only to men but to themselves and decent women as well. It’s time to put a stop to the pandering, and to deal with feminists as the dysfunctional, self-destructive borderline cases they are.

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AntZ February 10, 2012 at 10:54

“… since the start of the recovery in June 2009, women gained only three percent of the 1.4 million jobs added … ”

” … in the private sector, women gained 643,000 (33 percent) of the 1.9 million jobs added in 2011 … ”

” … women lost 64 percent of the 585,000 public sector jobs lost … ”

Men get paid to work in the private sector.
Women get paid to complain in the public sector.

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Norm February 10, 2012 at 11:00

When the recession(depression in reality) hit, most of the jobs lost were to men and the media from many sources brought this up more than once and some were silently pleased with what was happening.

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Towgunner February 10, 2012 at 11:09

The very fact that the “economist” had on their front page an obnoxious headline reading “we did it” declaring females had become 50% of the workforce right at the height of the recession/depression was a grating example of the true nature of women. Meanwhile women and men suffered.

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Epoche* February 10, 2012 at 11:10

We need to start our own non-profit organizations to help young men alone!

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Oddsock February 10, 2012 at 11:25

I suppose this is slightly off topic.

Putting aside all the political labels and mumbo jumbo. Just look at Europe, especially Greece. As the austerity measures are increased, the latest being the demand for a loss of 15000 public sector jobs
( Non jobs ) I suspect these posts will be held mainly by women?

The same can be seen happening in many other European countries. Here in the UK there has already been many job cuts in public sector as local councils try and cut spending again, a lot of these non jobs will be held by women. This is only the start.

Men are still going to be needed to do the hard dangerous and dirty jobs just to keep the place from turning into a shit pit. As things fall apart you will notice how few women claim to be feminists or superior to men. Feck! Some of them might actually start to pretend they are nice loyal feminine women ?

Meanwhile

Greece is on the edge. Watch this space.

Striking Firefighters turn their water jets on the police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26dtpOZw0do&feature=player_embedded

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Anonymous February 10, 2012 at 11:26

Men never complain do they.

A decade ago I found myself addressing a group of the unemployed and drew their attention to a salient fact. ‘Have you noticed’ I observed, ‘that every one, in this room, is male?’. They merely shrugged their shoulders and drew attention to their hopes and dreams and the effort they were making to find work. There was not a single female. Unemployment was simply not (on the radar) a female problem, yet the unemployed male is regarded as a waster, scrounger and loser whilst an unemployed female – if you can find one – is being oppressed. Yet the pedestalisation goes on.

You sound pretty angry W.F. Rightly so, I think.

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Rebel February 10, 2012 at 11:26

Men should avoid the public sector: it is where our enemy resides.

Let me repost this:

http://www.henrymakow.com/

Read the comments.
See how heartless females have become. Their hypocrisy knows no limit. When reading this, try not to puke over your keyboard.

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Snark February 10, 2012 at 11:31

Ingratitude
Hatred and lack of empathy
Short-sighted stupidity

I’ll go for all of the above. Emphasis on the latter.

I have, at certain times in my life (though not recently), conversed with feminists. They literally do not comprehend that the public sector is dependent on the health of the private sector. When I have explained this to them, they have sought to brush it off as an inconvenient, technical fact, or as some unnecessary aspect of the economy that can be overcome.

(Then again, many feminists are liberal/socialist, and hate free enterprise; perhaps they want to destroy the market altogether and have everyone work for the good of society! They literally don’t understand that no actual wealth can be generated this way, and that the only way this could work would be by implementing slave labour, as every single communist society has done.)

So yes, it’s short-sighted stupidity. They do not see the INTRINSIC connection between the sectors. They see the private sector as all the evil work that evil capitalist men do, while they see themselves (the public sector) as the real ‘community,’ doing good for the benefit of society as a whole.

It’s hatred and lack of empathy as well. Any indication that men are falling behind will titillate them. Many of us said at the time that a public sector ‘womancession’ will by definition follow a private sector ‘mancession.’ It was impossible for it to be any other way. But crow away they did about how women had ‘evolved’ and men were ‘ending’ (because there had never been boom and bust before, and men apparently cease to exist when they can’t find work).

But I say emphasis on the latter – short-sighted stupidity – because any intelligent public sector worker was looking at the recession and saying “shit, that’s going to impact on us within a few years.” It’s like standing on the beach, looking out at the sea, and seeing a monster tidal wave in the distance, making its way slowly closer to the shore. Feminists, in all their idiotic glory, stood around on the beach laughing cruelly at the boats being capsized in the distance. And they continued to stand there laughing until the tidal wave was right up on top of them.

Any dumbass could have seen that coming. Just like public sector cuts.

But feminists are an extra-special (ed) form of dumbass, they don’t understand cause and effect or the most basic principles of economy. They thought the private sector could collapse and the cash would just keep rolling in for public sector make-work projects. They never even give a thought to where that money might come from. Except for, get this, “the government can just print more.” I shit you not, I have seen that argued by a ‘feminist economist’:

http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2011/07/14/a-woman-economist-speaks-out-deficits-are-a-grrrls-best-friend/

I quote:

“Since the U.S. government is both sovereign in its own currency and the sole issuer of dollars, it can never run out of them. How could it?”

Yes, it’s short-sighted stupidity above all else. Ideology is the airbag that protects feminist heads from the cold, hard facts.

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Aharon February 10, 2012 at 11:32

Woman claims she missed flight due to her gender

http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/10/10373981-woman-claims-she-missed-flight-due-to-her-gender

Typical manipulating female claiming entitlement and victimization while misreporting the facts.

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Rebel February 10, 2012 at 11:47

Oddsock, greetings, old chum.

As far as Greece is concerned, they are cooked. Syria may be invaded and so does Iran. When that shit happens, Europe will suffer a thousand deaths. And the Euro will likely disappear. The dollar will follow. We are almost at the door of the proverbial excrement that flies in the direction of a turning fan…lol!!!

And women will, suddenly, be nice again.

I hope that men, individually and collectively will acutely remember the shitty treatment women gave them when the going was fine.

I DO hope that chivalry is REALLY dead once and for all. When the wheels will turn, our collective memory must remain alive.

Is this a question of revenge?

DAMNED RIGHT IT IS!!!

Women took what they thought was their righful revenge: now the other side of the coin is coming through. Let us never forget that we have huge accounts to settle: Karma must take place.

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Epoche* February 10, 2012 at 11:53

The point is that feminists only care about relative poverty, they are worried that women are getting less than men by whatever means and that concerns them. They dont care about sustainability or absolute poverty or even the hopelessness and despair that socialism bring on everybody (both men and women). More than money – its about power. Unfortunately for them we live in an era of globalization and the internet respects freedom far more than the most libertarian of governments. We need to stop bitching and get a battle plan.

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Oddsock February 10, 2012 at 11:58

Hey Rebel you old goat.

I agree 100% May all women live in interesting times.

P.s.
I will get around to sending you more email. Been working on the feckin docks, freezin me feckin nads off. Repairing a pipe laying barge, ( long time since I laid any pipe ) It sailed away Thursday morning, no reports of it sinking yet !!!!

I hope all is going well with your treatment and you are feeling ok ?

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Beltain February 10, 2012 at 11:59

Whatever the underlying motives for their disdain originally when this recession started. Many of these femiskanks are getting worried now. I have noticed more and more of them coming out of the woodwork to blogs and sights you never saw them on before and they are raving mad. They go positively mouth foaming crazy now when you point out the future they have created with their biased BS laws and legislation.

I have been having more fun shoving their noses in it now than ever before.

Let em BLEED

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Towgunner February 10, 2012 at 12:02

@ Rebel:

We can help with that process. We can all educate other men. So, when the reset occurs, we know exactly what to do when women become nice – educate that present and, more importantly, the future generations that female-run societies are road to almost immediate ruin, avoid at all costs and to never let this happen again.

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Avi February 10, 2012 at 12:09

“Karma must take place.”

Hear hear. When London becomes a Sharia zone and Harriet Harridan gets a full dollop of that Islamic justice for her less-than-Halal views, I hope to God they catch it on film. Schadenfreude that good is an opportunity I simply cannot miss out on.

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Troll King February 10, 2012 at 12:36

Off topic.

Have you guys seen this? Feminists are apparently occupying valentines day and they even have a tumblr.

lol.

http://occupyvday.tumblr.com/

Talk about attention whoreing.

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Zorro February 10, 2012 at 13:01

If I had to contend with monthly eruptions between my legs, my hormones scraping the paint off the attic ceiling, and my brain fucked by endless doses of progesterone, I’d be a shrieking, self-centered lunatic, too.

…better her than me.

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Rebel February 10, 2012 at 13:10

Oddsock:
I see you been busy. Hard work, too. You must be in great physical shape.

Chemo treatment? Rotten as hell. Had a bout of fever last night.
Fuck it! : I’ll keep on fighting no matter what.

I’ll be waiting for your e-mail.

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Troll King February 10, 2012 at 13:17

Two more offtopic posts:

Here we have the white ribbon campaign which indoctrinates boys into feminist misandry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgTIHHf1wgg

We have more info on the Japanese MGTOW phenomenon or herbivore men or grass eaters.

http://vanillaedge.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/the-herbivore-men/

I wonder how that is effecting Japans GDP? I remember seeing a study out of Japan by their government about the effect on their GDP from so many males committing suicide. I thought it was fucked up how they only cared about the monetary loss and not the loss of life. But that is how it goes, men are only valued for their utility.

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MRA February 10, 2012 at 13:29
Aharon February 10, 2012 at 13:29

“Since the U.S. government is both sovereign in its own currency and the sole issuer of dollars, it can never run out of them. How could it?”

@Snark,

Should any dumb feminists be reading this comment I’ll give a brief reply. The FED Federal Reserve, a non-government private banking cartel, creates out of nothing Federal Reserve Notes FRN (They nor the USG issue the USD). The more they keep making, thus over-flooding the currency market, the less buying power each note has to say buy milk or pay rent. This is not the exclusive engine for inflation yet it is a primary one. Putting the imaginary printing presses into overdrive will cause hyper-inflation.

Historically, all paper money has turned to dust literally and figuratively. The FRN is not tied to any tangible standard such as a gold standard that would keep spending more in balance and the politicians from creating programs and wasting paper money like drunken sailors. The FRN that have been ‘used’ come with an additional price: Debt. America has been living off mostly imaginary monopoly money the past forty years. Those debts don’t go away. To pay them off will require huge tax increases since progressive politics are usually anti-business growth.

I could go on yet that is most of the basic gist of it.

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Geography Bee Finalist himself February 10, 2012 at 14:11

“The reaction to the mancession and recovery proves feminists to be moral cretins with a third-rate understanding of consequences and the most basic economic principles.”

I would say that using the ordinal number “third” to describe feminists’ understanding of economics and consequences is being too generous. I would use “four-billionth-rate, but even that could be insulting to the number 4,000,000,000.

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Somehow Somewhat February 10, 2012 at 14:15

Really interesting talk!

Let’s start with this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZnYzD-LnSU) as a background song.

A FEMALE voice: Can YOU fix it?
Bob and the all-MALE gang: Yes WE can!

Men are the builders of wealth. Welmer’s Law!

More and more men are coming to light. As someone here once said, “we are all recovering manginas”. The misandry bubble has grown so big that even a common beta-man has risen from generational slumber. Now many men understand the true nature of women. If there is anything good out of this mess, is the male understanding of female solipsism in greater numbers. This understanding has gotten the governments to wake up… unfortunately to crank up more misandry.

For example, as MGTOW movement grows, the government will forcefully repatriate home those men who choose lower paying jobs elsewhere, and ghost away from the system. Of course, this might be done for a ‘good’ reasons, e.g., to ‘rescue’ the men from gangs that enslaves them… http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16836065

“They are using very vulnerable people and especially in hard economic times, people have lost work, nowhere to live, thrown out from families. We must act much stronger than we have done. ”

So men who have thrown out from families, homeless, jobless, they definitely can choose to work for low pay overseas where they got to keep what they got for themselves, rather than going to jail for being unable to pay alimony to vindictive ex-wives.

Meanwhile, accused men are to be denied bail … guilty until proven innocent… http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-16968088

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Anonymous February 10, 2012 at 15:38

If women were smart, they would not be paying attention to the average female: income, net worth, or unemployment rate, instead they would be paying very close attention to is men’s willingness to stupidly surrender half their money to women because women have all the pussy.

History has proven that women can enjoy a good life while producing zero income so long as the men of society place the pussy on the pedestal. However history gives us no example of women achieving economic stability, let alone prosperity, when the men of society tell women, “Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn”.

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Omnipitron February 10, 2012 at 15:48

Allow me to tell you a story from my days in highschool.

A dude from a ‘lower tier’ if you will had suddenly made a jump to the popular crowd for a short time, and then only after a few short weeks, was suddenly absent from their group. I had asked my female friends (since even then I realized that the social sphere was the female sphere) what had happened.

See, what had happened was for some reason, a pretty, popular girl had found this dude attractive and they became an item. Right out of movies such as “Can’t Buy Me Love” or it’s more recent remake “Love Don’t Cost A Thing”, this dude ‘became’ more popular simply due to his choice of girlfriend.

However, this new status went to his head.

Now he was being approached by other women and armed with his new status, he started to second guess his relationship and decided to break up this girl and ‘trade up’. The mistake he had made however, was that he had figured his position with the group was inherent to him, when in fact it was solely because he was this girl’s boyfriend.

The members of this group didn’t like him, they put up with him only because of her, and when he dumped her (you read that right, and in reality, this girl really liked him) they no longer had any reason to associate with him. Now that his popularity was gone, so too were the many women who found him attractive.

So he fell into obscurity like many of the other people who dread highschool having overestimated his value and the true source of his status.

This is women in a nutshell, the will only acknowledge men’s investment only when they’re needs aren’t being met. Yes, I too have questioned why women act in the ways they do when making it easier for men to contribute to society actually works in their favor. Women may complain about being oppressed when their needs aren’t being met, but they also cry oppression when their needs ARE being met so in reality, one can’t win for losing.

As harsh as this may sound to some, and understand I work with and for women and I know a great many who are indeed benefits to society. W.F. has laid out pretty succinctly why men in the past where hesitant to allow women in the public sphere.

By and large, they foul up the vast majority of what they touch, and one simply cannot try to reason with them to show them the error of their way as their rationalization hamsters protect their worldview. They value being right over being correct and sadly, they snipe their noses to spite their faces.

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Anonymous February 10, 2012 at 15:57

A Feminist Economist Speaks Out:

Since the U.S. government is both sovereign in its own currency and the sole issuer of dollars, it can never run out of them. How could it?

Replace the word “U.S. government” for Roman empire and also replace the word “dollar” for denarius.
Folks this story has be told over and over again.
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

BTW sometimes I wonder how many women out there are gold bugs. Probably not too many.

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keyster February 10, 2012 at 15:58

To them there’s no correlation between economic prosperity and tax revenue; it’s simply “the government” and government will provide. If you can’t keep borrowing more or raise taxes enough to make up for a faultering economy, then go ahead and make cuts if you must. But DO NOT TOUCH:

*Women’s health care initiatives (Obamacare)
*Domestic violence funding (homeless shelters)
*Social security/medicare (which women overwhelmingly benefit from)
*Restrict funding of abortion services (Planned Parenthood)
*Any other government funded programs specific to women, such as job training and scholarship grants (Headstart)

http://www.now.org/issues/economic/openletter_obamaSOTU_1-20-12.pdf

They don’t understand how the economy works and why the debt is a national crisis, who pays taxes and why. They’re not concerned about men or boys or even America. Nothing else matters except Team Woman getting HERS. Because when women prosper (without having to be dependent on husbands), we all do.

The transfer of men’s money into female specific healthcare programs mandated by ObamaCare is staggering. If the government forces insurance companies to provide free healthcare for women, guess who ends up paying for it?

They don’t care if the whole country crumbles around them, as long as Mother government provides. Men are superfluous beings, if not annoying. There is NO connection made between men working to pay taxes and government redistributing his taxes to female specific programs. The concept is foreign to them.

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Omnipitron February 10, 2012 at 15:59

‘I hope that men, individually and collectively will acutely remember the shitty treatment women gave them when the going was fine.’

When that happens, it will be up to the few MRA’s who are p!ssed as hell to REMIND the younger ones just what women are capable of. If such a time comes to pass, then men will most likely have at least some of the various social pressures we’ve had to deal with somewhat relaxed. Possibly, men will be able to congregate in smaller groups once more and fill them in on what could happen with women, and why they need to demand more from them.

This is my opinion as it appears to me, but if (when) TFH’s Misandry Bubble finally bursts and the lives of women get’s infinetly harder, then I do believe MRA’s need to take the fore and remind men of the truth of WHY it burst in the first place. Personally, I believe that many women (younger women who still have a chance to score a man to support them) won’t hesitate to throw feminist’s under the bus if it means that a man (or men) may trust them even a little bit more.

Understand this right now and I don’t mean to be glib; being on the winning team and NOT being on the losing team are indeed two different things. Do you really think a woman won’t think twice about outing a feminist if by doing so she may gain favor with men?

The largest group who will decry feminism in the future will indeed be women themselves. Bet on it.

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Paradoxotaur February 10, 2012 at 16:20

Dear Aharon,

Now that you’ve attempted to explain some very basic economic principles to women, I was wondering if you might have a go at explaining some slightly more subtle economic principles to my Labrador retriever. I’m pretty sure he already understands basic economics better than most women.

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Snark February 10, 2012 at 16:21

“The largest group who will decry feminism in the future will indeed be women themselves. Bet on it.”

And it is those women that we are going to have to beware of once the feminist ship sinks.

‘Feminism’ is only the 20th century name for a much older phenomenon.

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Rebel February 10, 2012 at 17:01

Paradoxotaur:

Comparing a Labrador retriever to a woman is unfair to the woman.

My little Shi-Tzu understand everything I tell it. In BOTH English and French.

Can you say the same about human females?

Eh?

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Rebel February 10, 2012 at 17:10

As I was reading some stuff about Japanese grass eaters (…!), I suddenly rememberd some conversations I have had with a few men in my own area. Those who don’t currently have what is generally known as a “gf”.

It strikes me as odd to see the similitudes between them and Japanese men thousands of miles away: “In order to get a “gf”, I need to sacrifice everything that matters to me. Too much to ask for so little return”

The grass eaters has made its leap on the American continent, it would seem… eh?

And then this leads me to ask the following questions:

1- “Are women becoming obsolete?”.
2- “Are they necessary?”.
3- “Is it the end of women?”
4-”Would a robot be a good replacement?”.

Questions, eh?

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Budnick February 10, 2012 at 17:50

Women outnumber men in the Anglican Church for the first time

There is a female majority for the first time in the Church of England, with more women priests joining than men. This certainly bodes well for a final “yes” vote in next July’s Synod that would allow women into the Episcopate. “Official figures show that 290 women were ordained in 2010, the most recent year for which figures are available,” says British newspaper The Telegraph. “By contrast, just 273 men entered the priesthood.”

The rapidly dying C. of E.

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Mickey T February 10, 2012 at 18:11

Of topic-

Geraldo was hot tonight. He is heading a lynch mob aimed at two men in a Ca school who allegedly sexually abused two “undocumented” (Hispanic I presume) children. He is convinced it happened because the children were undocumented.

It certainly appears as though this double whammy has got the hot blooded Latino attorney gone TV celebrity in an obvious state of distress.

Geraldo, although a lawyer himself, has got these two monsters tried, convicted and going to be hanged. He must know of some shortcuts.

Didn’t he do the same thing when the news about Mary La Tourneau etc doing something similar came out??

But don’t get me wrong, I think anyone who hurts children needs a special place in hell.

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William February 10, 2012 at 18:55

Feminism is a self-destructive cancer. Feminism destroys society. So, let’s just sit back and wait as the feminists destroy the very society that “empowered” them in the first place. And then once modern society is destroyed and feminists no longer have the support of big daddy government, let’s see how “independent” and “strong” feminist western women truly are.

Feminism is a cancer that eats itself alive. All we have to do is just sit back and wait, while the cancer destroys itself.

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Thomas Tell-Truth February 10, 2012 at 19:06

Women suffer from PMS, Post-PMS, Pre PMS, pre Partum Depression, Post Partum Depression, Pre Menopausal Depression, Menopausal Depression, Post menopausal depression.

Basically there is no point in their lives when they aren’t completely irrational sacks of self pitying hormonal insanity.

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Aharon February 10, 2012 at 19:09

I’m pretty sure he already understands basic economics better than most women.

@Paradoxotaur,

:) I’m sure he does understand economics and most subjects requiring critical thinking skills better than womyn since he has the Y-Chromosome.

Here is a bit more:
Historically, in a free-market system (which we no longer have in America) economic boom and bust cycles follow each other expanding and contracting. Now, politicians, the self-serving FED, and the super rich influential corporations, various special interest groups (Congress, Realtors, mortgage brokers, lenders, etc) influence and manipulate the boom cycles to continue making things much worse in an over-inflated bubble economy. When the artificial bubble pops things really go down fast and hard.

Your dog can probably understand the concepts fairly easily. Feminists, just don’t get it. Their skills are more inclusive to lying, manipulating, stealing, complaining, and such.

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Steve_85 February 10, 2012 at 19:10

I find it ironic that the very thing feminists have been railing against (“The Patriarchy”) is almost exactly what I would be recommending to prevent this shit from happening again.

Giving women the vote? Worst. Idea. Ever.

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Survivorman February 10, 2012 at 20:34

I’m nearly pissing myself laughing over this whole thing !

Apparently, and no matter what anyone thinks or says – PC or not – water still seeks its own level !

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PeterTheGreat February 10, 2012 at 21:15

@ Budnick
“with more women priests joining than men. ”

This is another feminist invention. The word is “priestess”, not “priest”. They do this to make it seem normal for women to be in Christian ministry when it is actually heresy.

St. Paul said a woman may not teach in the Church, nor may she exercise authority over men. So this is clearly heretical.

So feminists want to use the masculine “priest”, because everyone knows there is no such thing in Christianity as priestesses.

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Robert February 10, 2012 at 21:50

Let those B*tches starve!!!If they want a candy bar, and are above the age 18, I will see what I can do for them.

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Attila February 10, 2012 at 22:42

Whatever the “issue” is — they will go into “victim mode”, seems hard-wired to get sympathy from or just weaken a potential benefactor/agressor.

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Rmaxd February 10, 2012 at 22:54

@Thomas

“Women suffer from PMS, Post-PMS, Pre PMS, pre Partum Depression, Post Partum Depression, Pre Menopausal Depression, Menopausal Depression, Post menopausal depression.”

Excellent post Thom

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Sheldon Walker February 11, 2012 at 02:31

Women took what they thought was their righful revenge: now the other side of the coin is coming through. Let us never forget that we have huge accounts to settle: Karma must take place.

It will in due time, women never believe they are wrong in their worlds they’re the protagonist anyone who doesn’t supplicate or challenges her illusion is an antagonist. Any threat to their illusory world must be quashed by any means necessary, honestly though, who can can blame them, If I was afforded the option of living in an echo chamber full of sychophants and supplicators versus living in reality. I’d definitely choose the former, unfortunately as a male the first option is not available to me.

I wouldn’t be too concerned about it the natural order of things will return. What’s done in the dark will always comes to the light eventually, more and more men are starting to see the light everyday.

Keep passing out those red pills.

Side note: Apparently the “truth” and “logic” are abusive towards women.

http://www.menstoppingviolence.org/cgi-bin/MySQLdb?VIEW=/viewfiles/view_document.txt&docid=30

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RMM February 11, 2012 at 03:13

@Rebel:

4-”Would a robot be a good replacement?”.

English is a funny language. My answer to that question would be:

“Nothing would be a good replacement for a woman.”

And just let the ambiguity linger.

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Snark February 11, 2012 at 03:31

@ Steve_85

“I find it ironic that the very thing feminists have been railing against (“The Patriarchy”) is almost exactly what I would be recommending to prevent this shit from happening again.”

Makes you think maybe all this already happened and the Men of Olde took the necessary steps to ensure it didn’t again.

Then we managed to forget the reason why, and are doomed to repeat the process.

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Opus February 11, 2012 at 04:18

I must say I approve of every word Anonymous writes at 11.26 and thoroughly approve of the 82 likes to 0 dislikes he has so justly received – if only I could achieve such felicity and popularity for my own writings as I struggle with Mr Price’s new software. Let’s see if I can get this message to load with my usual screen name. :)

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Opus February 11, 2012 at 04:18

Success!

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keyster February 11, 2012 at 09:17

“The largest group who will decry feminism in the future will indeed be women themselves. Bet on it.”

It obviousy won’t be and can’t be men.

You’ll find the most ardent defenders of feminism to be liberal women (and their male sentries).

You’ll find the most ardent defenders of women (as a sacrosanct/exalted group), to be conservative men.

The only group decrying feminism are conservative women; mostly evangelical “pro-lifers”, but also mothers of sons.

It’s the mass of women inbetween, who are offered a buffet of options by feminists and supported by conservative men. She likes government enforced equality and entitlements feminists fight for. But she also likes the chivalry, galantry and exalted position conservative (and liberal) men offer her.

It’s a perfect storm of conditions that allows her to manipulate men and society; and the only group that sees right through the charade are conservative women. Not all of them, but many of them. They’re smart enough to see that Feminism is destroying womanhood, motherhood, the family and the woman’s exalted position with men.

Unfortunately these women are also too busy being wives and mothers to fight feminism; and they also realize, like we do here, what an omnipotent juggarnaut Feminism, Inc. is.

Conservative women like men, and they like being women.
Liberal women are feminists by default, and therefore they don’t trust men, and they don’t like being women by doctrine.

So where does this lead the so called “Men’s Movement”, such as it is? Can an unfinanced, disparate group of prickly misanthropes ever get organized enough, large enough to make a difference? Probably not; always on the fringe of “radical” social causes. So the MRM, like all social movements must co-opt an already established “power base”.

Does the MRA fight with the liberal Feminists for ultimate equality, an Equal Rights amendment, no gender specific privilages or entitlements by LAW, and a gender-seperatism of sorts where men are no longer the sole sacrificial utilities to wives, children and country?

Or does he fight for traditionalism, family “values” and age-old defined gender roles, along with conservative women? I can say , based on expereince, conservative women are much more symapthetic to men’s rights and easier to deal with than the Femocracy. I mean it’s hard to rationalize with a group that seeks “social justice” for supposed “privilaged white male” transgressions of days long past, and that also openly hates you.

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mananon February 11, 2012 at 09:23

We have a similar situation in the UK. In recent months large numbers of public sector workers have lost their jobs, and since the majority of people working in the public sector are women (which feminists don’t mind) the majority of public sector job losses have been incurred by women (which feminists are furious about). From an objective standpoint it’s perfectly fair for a workforce consisting +60% women to see +60% job losses being female, but it seems fairness and objectivity sre beyond the average feminist…

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Uncle Elmer February 11, 2012 at 09:44

This essay needs a little work if you have any hopes of it going mainstream.

Suggestions :

Re-title as “The End of Women”.

Sprinkle in some anecdotal observations about how women are falling further and further behind men.

Complain that women are in a perpetual state of state-supported adolescence.

Add a “George Clooney” movie script example to support your thesis.

Reference “Demi Moore” as evidence of the pathetic state of de-nubiled American women.

Submit to “The Atlantic”.

When it makes it to Google News, book deals, screenplays, and the talk-show circuit are soon to follow.

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Oddsock February 11, 2012 at 10:04

Keyster

Go and sell your mangina shite someplace else. Conservative woman are no different from the feminists. Both exploit men just different tactics the conservative women depend on brainwashed dupes such as yourself to believe they like men. Yes, they do, they love men like you that fall for all the political bull shit and don the white knight armour on their behalf.

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Anonymous February 11, 2012 at 10:11

I don’t buy it keyster. Well, maybe if you’re talking about older conservative women then I could probably agree with you but not otherwise. The thing that doesn’t add up is that if conservative women are ultimately against feminism, how are conservative men able to fight on behalf of pedalising degenerate women without otherwise pissing off their wives or close female relatives or associates?

The last thing women want is their men (whether their husbands, alpha lovers or beta orbiters) fawning over other women they see as degenerate and lower status/class than them. Since most men are betas, what stops conservative women from shaming the majority of men who pedalise degenerate, liberal women if conservative women TRULY don’t like them?

The answer is that conservative women are largely in cohoots with liberal women aside from bullet point issues like abortion or gay marriage. Conservative women don’t have any incentive to pick fights with feminists because things haven’t gotten bad enough for them that its socially expedient for them to throw liberal women under the bus.

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Cobol February 11, 2012 at 10:33

Do men have more job or they are simply not counted because they gived up (or any other reason) in the widely falsyfyed official statistics? There is no recovery it’s a myth a lie.

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Anon February 11, 2012 at 11:00

“The largest group who will decry feminism in the future will indeed be women themselves. Bet on it.”

No. Women don’t understand cause and effect very well. They will just blame men.

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Rocco February 11, 2012 at 11:05

@ oddsock

How dare you compare conservative women. The kind that loves their family and, after dutifully going to college, getting an entry level job, meeting ubber-beta boy and as soon as she pooped out her retirement loves and stays home to care for her children, and cheat at a rate of 70%…..who, upon divorce will be as feministic as she was trained to be in what used to be called “home economics” and is now “female egomaniacs, or womens studies”, along with the conviction that god said she should make up a story and the same faith that she believes in baby Jesus she will believe that you are lower than the mud in the river by the bridge….compare them with feminists, and by that I think you mean liberal women who proclaim her right to screw you over out loud at the wedding rehersal dinner?

Yeah, I think it’s a false dichotomy that has more to do with the men who believe this shit and their programming as a child.

I think, in the near future, those boys raised in conservative families with conservative traditional illusions about the women out there will suffer more than boys raised by sex in the city single cougar moms who will have no illusions about why their not interested in marriage or children.

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Umslopogaas February 11, 2012 at 11:07

@Keyster:

I understand where you’re coming from.

But the way I see it if we roll with your paradigm we merely get to choose which sharks gobble us up.

Do we want the full treatment by shrill shrews with screws lose aka feministas? Or do we prefer “gentle” sharks / wolves in sheep’s guise such as Mrs Walsh who hypnotize and anesthesizes us (“we’re on the same side…blabla) before going for the jugular?

In my book…both options are bad. There has to be something better, a third option, some way out of here, some means to break our chains of bondage

And there is. With the right kind of ears you can already hear tomorrow, smell the future, sense the writing on the wall: Brother, go your own way.

Let the nutcases rot in their mental asylum. Let Rome burn. We are way, way past the point of no return. We are the brotherhood of ghosts, Mad Maxes in the ‘Thunder Dome’.

“The avalance has started. It is too late for the pebbles…to vote.” as Kosh would say.

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Mickey T February 11, 2012 at 11:22

Our place in the workforce today is clear.
For a long time, women have been demanding equal outcomes without equal effort and/or qualifications, and often getting their way. Their power in gov’t is far beyond ours at this time.

And they don’t have to worry much about a back it up, because there aren’t very many out of work prostitutes.

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Rocco February 11, 2012 at 11:28

OT

This is farkin hillarious. Here is Republican Republitard Rick Santorum with his main arguement for opposing women in combat positions being the white night, mangina, pussybegging men in the unit might try to save thy pussy and fail to complete the mission.

And that’s why women can’t be in combat……you can’t make this stuff up.

Why not just teach the boys not to put women on a pedestal from an early age, then have a integrated military rather than saying….oh well, their braiwashed so……feed them to the meat grinder……the wymnys can go get pregnant for the rest of their hitch.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/politics/2012/02/10/tsr-santorum-women-in-combat.cnn

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Mickey T February 11, 2012 at 12:02

Rocco,

The man is in a presidential campaign mode. Considering that, he gave a pretty good answer. Take it for what it’s worth.

CNN= Cunt News Network with a more than obvious left/fem leaning bias.

I always try to listen to BOTH sides.

BTW, did you catch the discussion on this topic with Laura Ingraham, Janine Turner and Leslie Marshall last night?? It shows how women are women before they are anything else. And that includes their chosen “professions”.

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Doc February 11, 2012 at 12:12

In times of difficult economic times, those people who aren’t producing or adding to the company’s bottom line have to go. In general women make up a large part of that since most places hire and promote them at a loss to the bottom line. Put simply, they cost more then they produce. So if a company/business is to survive it has to trim the fat. And when recovery is underway they cannot afford to hire more waste – so they hire the most productive. Put simply that is the men, who will be there every day, contributing to the overall success of the company who are the ones needed.

Of course, later the women, and libs will start to caterwaul and companies will return to their normal wasteful ways of hiring based on sex and race and other things without concern to overall productivity. But at the moment, it is those who are most productive and have a history of producing who are the last to be let go, and the first to be re-hired. That is what is being seen – nothing more…

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keyster February 11, 2012 at 12:18

“Conservative woman are no different from the feminists. Both exploit men just different tactics the conservative women depend on brainwashed dupes such as yourself to believe they like men.”

This analysis wasn’t addressed to the nihilist/anarchist/MGTOW, openly misogynist, gynophobe types – such as yourself. It was addressed to men’s rights Activists, that often wonder how such a movement might proceed forthwith. You’re kind in the movement, of which there have always been a few, serve as a distraction.

My point is, if you’re for post-modern “Progression” past “Traditionalism”, you’re for complete gender egalatariansim or androgyny; where there are no gender roles; men and women are ONE being, by State sanction. This would mean you’re a Feminist by definition. If you’re a Gender-seperatist, where men and women should have nothing to do with each other out of fear and distrust, you’re a radical feminist. Sounds familiar doesn’t it?

You want women at the battle front, you want women to become psuedo-men and more importantly, judged equally as such. This is a world both MRA’s and the most strident feminists envision. It’s White-knight/SoCons that are the common enemy of MRA’s and Feminists, because they’re thwarting a progressive Gender Egalitarian Utopia.

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Rocco February 11, 2012 at 12:35

OT

And if you want to know how the ingrate parasitic “conservative” stay at home mom thinks, here you go.

About Sharon Osbornes penis joke:

“I thought it was ridiculous how mad people got about it. Honestly my first reaction was laughing as well, then I thought about it….. I mean poor guy of course..so sad right? But it just reminded me of when I told my SO that if he ever hit me I would cut off his penis…so the story made me giggle. I feel awful that Sharon got so much negative feedback just for laughing. ”

And every stay stay at home conservative christian/muslim/catholic/jewish/white/black/hispanic/buddist woman on that blog agrees with her…..SCUM the society for cutting up men.

http://www.cafemom.com/group/416/forums/read/14538447/sharon_osbourn_apologized_on_the_talk_for_laughing_at_woman_cutting_mans_penis_off?next=1#replies

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Rocco February 11, 2012 at 12:35

oh, forgot….the liberal women as well.

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Rocco February 11, 2012 at 12:37

@ Keyster

I don’t care what women do.

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Joe February 11, 2012 at 12:43

@Somehow somewhat – being enslaved by gangs of pikeys* is not a “job opportunity”!

(*Those members of the UK “travelling community” who steal and freely engage in violent acts, with little reprisal by the coppers, because they are hard to track down and if they don’t have a cast iron case the pikeys will accuse cops of racism. Pikeys are a law unto themselves in the UK.)

Here in the UK, there are a number of half-decent ways for smart men to go “ghost” / work self-employed, cash-in-hand off the state’s radar. The state here is much weaker than in the US. Yes, we have lots and lots of cameras, but there’s not all that many people behind them, and the coppers have been cut to the bone. You don’t get imprisoned for debt in the UK like you do in the US. If you avoid any kind of DV issue (by not living with any woman) and anything to do with racism, anti-war protests, illegal guns and illegal drug-dealing, the cops probably won’t bother you at all. Staying out of the really big cities like London, Manchester, Birmingham helps too.

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Rocco February 11, 2012 at 12:47

@ Keyster

And that is not misogynistic…it is actually the very definition of independent and humanitarian feminism and masculinism.

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Oddsock February 11, 2012 at 12:49

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Joe February 11, 2012 at 12:58

@PeterTheGreat -

Don’t worry too much about the C. of E. it’s the non-religious persons church.

Henry the VIII founded it so that a) he could divorce and marry a new squeeze b) so he could seize all the enormous land and wealth the previously Catholic church held in England.

So C. of E. was founded as a power play, and remains extant as a genteel social club.

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Oddsock February 11, 2012 at 12:58

Joe

Yes, I more or less agree with you. Your views on the pikeys or jipo’s as we call them, I am not so sure about. Perhaps you are correct about the coppers not being able to track them down but I also suspect fear also plays a major part in the lack action against them. Most of the pikey families always seem to be at war with each other so the police leave them alone. There does seem to be more shootings of late. Perhaps they are also feeling the financial pressures too ?

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Joe February 11, 2012 at 13:05

@Oddsock -

For me, and for other once-or-current “river gypsies”* it basically works like this: A decent fella is a traveller / gypsy. A thief is a pikey.

(*I lived on a narrowboat “without fixed mooring” for three years. That’s one way of going ghost in the UK. Yes, I’ve done a lot of different stuff/been to many places.)

One of my friends on the boats was half-Romany and he too referred to the bastards who’d be constantly trying to steal generators and chain saws and such off the boats as pikeys.

You’re right, pikeys generally go around mob-handed, armed with dogs, knives and often guns. So yep, I’m sure the coppers shit themselves.

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Avenger February 11, 2012 at 13:10
Anonymous Reader February 11, 2012 at 13:19

RMM

“Nothing would be a good replacement for a woman.”

This koan-like sentence reminds me of a story. Once Basho and
a student were walking to a temple in a remote place. They came
to a river crossing where the water looked to be at least waist deep.
There was a young woman there who hesitated to cross, because she
was afraid of the current. Basho handed his bundle to the student,
put the woman on his back piggy-back and carried her to the other
side, where he placed her on dry ground. Then he got his bundle back
from the student and they walked on towards their goal.

As they walked, the student became agitated. Some miles down the road, the student suddenly said to Basho, “We are not supposed to touch women! Yet you carried that woman across the river, holding on
to her legs!”. Basho looked at the student for a while, they walked a while, and then he said “I only carried her across the river. Why are you still carrying her now?”.

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Oddsock February 11, 2012 at 13:23

Joe

Ahh yes I remember you now. You lived on a narrow boat? Amazing ! I built two shells Dutch wide beam. 10′ 6″ one 40 foot and the other 50. The later was totally fitted out by the the other guy that was supposed to be helping. I sold the 40 foot shell as almost a sailaway ( no engine) All completed while living in a static caravan for just over 2 years. With the money I bought a twin axle tourer, the model was a Hobby. Lovely caravan but unknown to myself at the time, many campsites would not allow Hobby caravans onto their site as it is the model mostly used by the Jipos. I sold that and went to China for a while with a view to teach English, TEFL. Too hot food was horendous.

I have worked and travelled the UK a sort of industrial Jipo if you like. I am now thinking of buying one of those GRP boats about 25 foot would be suffice but, as I am sure you are aware, mooring fees can be way too expensive. My original plan was to travel the canal networks mainly Leeds/Liverpool and pick up work in the various towns. Now I just want one to get away from the madness or use as a return base from my travels.

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Avenger February 11, 2012 at 13:29

You don’t get imprisoned for debt in the UK like you do in the US. If you avoid any kind of DV issue (by not living with any woman) and anything to do with racism, anti-war protests, illegal guns and illegal drug-dealing, the cops probably won’t bother you at all.

You don’t get imprisoned for debt in the US. It is for contempt of court and is almost always for child support. When you pay it you’re released from jail. And btw, that always existed in England too. In the past a man would have to pay a wife maintenance even if they had no kids and he left her or he would go to jail too for contempt.
You can still face DV charges in England whether you live with a female or she’s just your gf.

Yes, we have lots and lots of cameras, but there’s not all that many people behind them,

That may be true but the recordings are kept. It sort of reminds me of an old science fiction story called, Private Eye. Everything is always being recorded even though no one is really watching it but if something happens or a crime is committed they can go to the exact time and place and see what happened.

‘and anything to do with racism’

Only if you’re a white native. The rest do whatever they like and are never charged with anything.

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JeremiahMRA February 11, 2012 at 14:07

Point 1: Women are selfish.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029265#s4

The study shows that men and women have a significant difference in super ego strength. In other words, men are more moralistic and women are more self-indulgent.

Male type traits: Rule-conscious, dutiful, conscientious, conforming, moralistic, staid, rule bound (High Super Ego Strength)

Female type traits: Expedient, nonconforming, disregards rules, self indulgent (Low Super Ego Strength)

From Wikipedia:

“The super-ego works in contradiction to the id. The super-ego strives to act in a socially appropriate manner, whereas the id just wants instant self-gratification. The super-ego controls our sense of right and wrong and guilt. It helps us fit into society by getting us to act in socially acceptable ways.”

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JeremiahMRA February 11, 2012 at 14:07

Point 2: Feminism is just an extension of female psychology

http://alcuin-constant.blogspot.com/2012/01/feminism.html

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keyster February 11, 2012 at 14:28

@Oddsock

Thank you for your thoughtful, well-reasoned and articulate response. It’s enlightened thinkers such as yourself that encourages men to take action for their rights.

I only wish you’d take off those rose-colored glasses every now and then. Your perpetual optimism about everything really get’s tedious.

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Gunn February 11, 2012 at 14:33

@Keyster

The key reason why many men don’t see the difference between feminists and conservative women is that apart from issues around abortion, their overall positions are not significantly different.

When conservative women start to push for a return to ‘at-fault’ divorce, for a legally enforceable stance on joint child custody as the default, for limited alimony where there are no children, for mens’ rights over reproduction that are equivalent to womens’ rights, for women to be held accountable and responsible for the choices they make, and for a reversion to traditional religion (a key plank here being adherence to the idea of men being the heads of families, and marriage vows that include the wife obeying her husband), then the difference between them and feminists will ring truer.

As it stands though, they appear to be opportunistically partaking of the benefits that feminism has provided them as women whilst mounting ineffective opposition to their one stated difference (abortion rights) and staying absolutely silent on mens’ issues that would rebalance mens’ and womens’ rights to any extent.

This isn’t a statement of hatred for all women, or some kind of aimless misogyny (the usual ‘rebuttal’ thrown around when this argument is made), its a stance that holds that simply observing the actions of conservative women is a truer reflection of their intentions versus just listening to what they say without any critical review or verification.

Its also worth noting that there do appear to be a few women blogging or commenting these days who are starting to make statements supporting an equalisation of mens’ and womens’ rights. How this pans out into real support, e.g. active dissent by those women in feminist forums or groups (particularly those which are not just online) will I think form the basis for those men who have reservations about their intentions to accept that they are serious about fighting the problems feminism has created.

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fmz February 11, 2012 at 14:53

There’s nothing new in any of this. Rather it highlights the nature of feminine thought or if one prefers, their nature. Essentially, its all about them. The whole ‘woe is me’ sufferance routine is mostly about getting attention and getting something out of that. Uusally a dose of self-absorbed psych-babbled validation is all the fix they need. However, that is addictive and too much of it is never enough.

The solution is to not feed the beast.

Leave them to peddle and go fishing.

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Rmaxd February 11, 2012 at 15:12

@Keyster

Conservative women, traditional or pro life arent against feminism

All they want is the status quo before feminism

Enslavery & walking wallets …

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Rmaxd February 11, 2012 at 15:23

@Keyster

Re. Conservative women, traditional or pro life arent against feminism

Goto Dalrocks site & look up sheila gregoire or Mark Driscoll

Theyre only against feminism as a singular, ie the only parts which threaten them as a minority

ALL women have NO idea, how much indoctrinated & brainwashed theyre vaginas are draped in

Its this inability to understand their environment which ultimately gets the people who dont embrace radical & complex critical of their environment ideologies

Women have it coming, make no doubt

When it comes to enslavement its always Men & Children First

Women have always fought to enslave men & children

Child labour in the 1800′s as chiminey sweepers & coal mine bus boys, to men in white slavery

How much cheaper were white children & white men, then africans who had to be shipped in 1000′s of miles by boat …

White slaves outnumbered african slaves back then, & they do so today

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Rmaxd February 11, 2012 at 15:50

@Keyster

Traditionalism has ALWAYS been about the normalisation of white slavery

Marriage has always been the foundation, the illusion for millions of men, as they grind away in wage slavery

Marriage the social conditioning & acculturation of white slavery

There is a reason women are being used to subjugate men today

It has always been the norm

Traditionalism has always been the social structure to enslave white men, to make it socially acceptable as they die in the millions, for their stayathome parasites & stayathome generals & militants …

Traditionalism is traditional subjugatism, tried & tested

An expertly created form of white slavery

Feminism is the new form of subjugation, with no illusions of social or cultural morality, no moral obligations to your families or fathers

Feminism is incompetence personified, nowhere near as elegant or complex as traditionalism, it provides no illusions of social morality or social obligations to grind men down with

Traditionalism on the other hand, grinds men & spits them out far more expertly then feminism

Traditionalism as a form of slavery, is so succesful, men AND women still hold it up as some sort of warped morality

Traditionalism is held up as a form of moral grandeur … disgusting

Traditionalism as a morality, was the same morality which killed thousands of men & child as the titanic sank

Infanticide & child brutality is a traditional trademark

Remember what they did to you, remember the millions of men who died saving their useless wives, the same wives unable to provide for their children, prostitute themselves as whores to invaders

Remember in the real world, a womans kindness & empathy are repressive environments

Care for a woman, embrace their ways & you destroy society

Care for a man, embrace their masculinity & you build civilisations, which survive the pyramids

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Joe February 11, 2012 at 17:00

@Oddsock –

For a liveaboard, especially without a mooring/power hookup I’d recommend a narrowboat, about 45 foot long, over any GRP. GRP’s are harder to keep warm in the winter /cool in the summer. If you’ve got enough coal / wood stashed and a good burner you can stay warm in the winter. Also, get a solar panel and regulator, you’ll save a fortune in diesel for your leisure batteries.

I recommend Apolloduck website if you’re looking for something half decent second hand (I’ve been told to avoid Springers.)

Moorings are a pain in the arse, but at least in a narrowboat you are among the aristocracy of the homeless/travellers. Most people think you’re quaint.

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Joe February 11, 2012 at 17:13

@Avenger –

“You don’t get imprisoned for debt in the US. It is for contempt of court and is almost always for child support. When you pay it you’re released from jail. ”

Hah! That’s exactly the technical weasel argument I’ve heard from women and feminists when I’ve said “men who can’t pay CS get jailed in the US”. What difference does it make what they CALL it! You’re still in JAIL because you’re flat BROKE! It’s BS!

“And btw, that always existed in England too. In the past a man would have to pay a wife maintenance even if they had no kids and he left her or he would go to jail too for contempt.”

In the past. As in, not for a very long time. What’s more UK prisons are still public, so they are seen as a cost to the State, even if they were to try and reconstitute Debtor’s Prison in the UK – the state couldn’t afford to build all the prison places.

As to DV in the UK.
Sorry, I should’ve been more explicit. If you don’t live with a gf she can’t claim your home – so she has less motive to file a false claim of DV against you. In fact she’s more likely to treat you nicely in the hope she might get you to live together eventually.
Also, if you’re not living together it’s much, much easier to dump her if she shows ANY signs of DV herself, which on the principle of blame-the-man puts you in danger twice, secondarily from white knights who may or may not be coppers. Therefore if she slaps you once its a double red flag = immediate dumpage.

I am of course assuming that you are not, in fact, beating your gf.

Re: cameras. Yeah, the panopticon is sinister, anti-freedom/privacy and totlly shitty. My point was – absent enforcement it’s toothless.

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Glenn February 11, 2012 at 19:28

I see a future for American that is much like the situation in the former Soviet Union. Men call the shots, period. Men give little to nothing in most relationships. Women compete viciously for the attention and affection of men. Men, even married men, consider it perfectly normal to have multiple girlfriends. The list goes on and on, but the point is. once a nation hits rock bottom, men become the commodity because the state no longer has the ability or desire to subsidize feminist shenanigans.

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Anonymous February 11, 2012 at 19:52

Santorum came to within a 15 minute walk of my neighborhood. Rumor had it that the last candidate for prez who had stopped in my little corner of paved paradise was Teddy Roosevelt back in 1907. Ok, he was the actual nominee, but close enough. You take what you can get.

So I strolled down to hear him out. At one point he got talking about our basis for our republic by comparing our revolution and how it turned out with the way it all went down in France. He said the mistake they made was in trying to base their new republic on equality, liberty, and fraternity (brotherhood), whereas we went with paternity instead.

It was an interesting interpretation of what “the pursuit of happiness” means, but what struck me was how he uttered the word “paternity” in almost a hushed whisper, like it was almost forbidden to talk about openly, except perhaps when vilifying some individual man who was unfortunate enough to have become a father, a la Jerry Springer.

So then, just as I thought he’d gotten to where he was going to say something relevant and substantive, in the MRA sense, about the present and near-future, he changed the subject and went on to something else entirely.

With the media in Soundbite/Gotchya! mode these days, I sympathize somewhat with the difficult position he’s in. How do you appeal to the man vote without openly talking about it and thus potentially alienating your female fans?

I suppose he did well enough, because he won here, whereas Romney had done so (@65%) four years ago, but did much poorer relatively this time. Unlike some other states, turnout was actually up this cycle, so Santorum appears to have brought new people out. It’s somewhat curious because the libertarians and tea party types have been pretty active in these parts, but he doesn’t seem like their type. Ron Paul only got his typical <15%.

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BeijaFlor February 11, 2012 at 20:08

Joe, I would dearly like to know what you mean by a “GRP”. The acronym, to someone like me, seems to refer to “glass-reinforced polyester,” or in other words “fiberglass.” Since every boat I’ve owned that was too heavy to carry on my shoulder WAS “fiberglass,” I’m not sure what YOU mean by GRP.

This whole thread has been intensely entertaining. Beyond question, the wimminz declare themselves the “victims” of anything that happens. There’s a special power in victimhood, in today’s culture – we are all supposed to “support the victim, give to the victim, entitle the victim, raise up the victim, suck up to the victim” ad nauseam.

“Victimhood” is the ultimate entitlement. Who can blame a victim? Who can refuse to support a victim? Who can expect a victim to do anything other than lift her goddamn scabs and show off her victimhood?

Women can make a good living off their victimhood. All too goddamn many women DO make their living off their victimhood.

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keyster February 11, 2012 at 20:55

FYI – my point is…that men will never organize to combat male discrimination, and certianly feminists won’t either. Conservative women are the only ones that can and eventually will start to speak up, if MRA’s can get organized enough for 5 minutes to engage them. But alas, there is so much vehement hatred and disgust for ALL women, among this disparate little collective of blog commenters alone, that this will never happen. I get that. I understand it.

“With the media in Soundbite/Gotchya! mode these days,…”

The media is the propaganda arm for the liberal establishment. Conservatives are held to a different standard in anything they say. If the media can catch a little soundbite of something a conservative says, they’ll play it over and over again purposefully, out of context. It will be ridiculed and mocked on the Daily Show, and David Lettermen will run with it for at least several nights.

Newt wants to rescind child labor laws.
Mitt wants to fire people he doesn’t like.
Rick thinks women are too emotional for battle.
Sarah can see Russia from her house.
Michelle says vaccines cause mental retardation.
…the list goes on and on.

Media bias is very subtle. They’re not even aware of it themselves.

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Common Monster February 11, 2012 at 20:56

Beija, have you been over to The Onion and seen their piece “Women Now Empowered By Everything A Woman Does”?

Should be easy to find. It’s gold. (Uncle Elmer is platinum on my scale -can he do for “sassitude” what he did for “roguer”?)

Anyway, by definition it’s the other way around for them with stuff men do.

About two minutes of “Cougar Town” should be sufficient to permanently put any male off all women. If that doesn’t “take” they’re lost causes.

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Avenger February 11, 2012 at 22:51

Joe writes “Hah! That’s exactly the technical weasel argument I’ve heard from women and feminists when I’ve said “men who can’t pay CS get jailed in the US”. What difference does it make what they CALL it! You’re still in JAIL because you’re flat BROKE! It’s BS!

I was simply stating the legalities and the difference between a contempt citation and a debtor’s prison.

F Lee Bailey was imprisoned for contempt because he wouldn’t turn over money based on a court order. Was he in debtor’s prison? Of course not.
If a judge issues a court order specifying that you must pay x per month to a wife or for child support and you don’t have the money or believe it’s unfair then I’d suggest that go t the Clerk’s office and file a Notice of Appeal on that order so you can stay the order and allow the appellate division to hear the appeal. Incapacity to pay is a good argument.
Now, is that what most of you on cnstantly bitching on here do or do you just allow the time within which you can file the Notice expire and cry when you’re sent t0 jail for contempt?

“And btw, that always existed in England too. In the past a man would have to pay a wife maintenance even if they had no kids and he left her or he would go to jail too for contempt.”

In the past. As in, not for a very long time

It exists in some form even now if you’re married and abandon your wife. Of course she probably just go to get some benefits these days because it’s easier than tracking down some runaway husband.

“What’s more UK prisons are still public’

Prisons are the same in the US although there may be some run by private contractors in some places.

Debtor’s prisons were run entirely differently. And btw, you can still be sent to prison in the US and especially the UK for certain types of debts. If you were to go into debt and they can show that even some slight fraud was involved on the application for the credit or loan that put you into debt it’s still a criminal offence and not just civil contempt if a judge ordered you to pay it back. If you were to run up a lot of bills on your credit card and couldn’t pay the bill that may also be a criminal charge if you sold any of those items. You wouldn’t just be a debtor.

Re: cameras. Yeah, the panopticon is sinister, anti-freedom/privacy and totlly shitty. My point was – absent enforcement it’s toothless.

You’re not making any sense here. The so called enforcement comes later when they can enter any video evidence against you when needed. The sheer number of cameras and videos stored is the problem. Suppose some female reported a rape on Berner St at 11.10pm. They can pull up that video. And suppose you just happened to be walking there at that time. Now they have you at the scene of the crime or in the area. They may have a few suspects on video so now you’re in a position of proving your innocence if they take you in for questioning and the female may identify you as the attacker. Eyewitness identification is very unreliable and even in cases where it’s proved beyond any doubt (DNA etc) that the suspect couldn’t have done the crime some females will still insist you’re the attacker. Perhaps you just happened to pass her on the street before she was attacked and your face left an impression on her mind or something like that.
Having all of these cameras is going to at the very least cause a lot of aggravation and expense to men, and at the worst end in false convictions.
Face recognition technology is always improving and the government already has a data base of photographs to match against just from driving licenses, passports and other ID pictures that are already on their computers. You’re going to find that a lot of people, likely men for the most part, are going to find themselves answering police questions and being inconvenienced and perhaps listed as suspects in crimes. And all because these “harmless “, as you put it, cameras are everywhere.

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Oddsock February 11, 2012 at 23:42

BeijaFlor

Yes, GRP is the general term used to describe a fibreglass/plastic boat. The majority of narrow boats here in the UK are Steel, usually 10mm base plate 6mm sides and 4mm roof but it can vary quite a bit depending on the builder and age.

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Cynical Youth February 12, 2012 at 00:16

“FYI – my point is…that men will never organize to combat male discrimination, and certianly feminists won’t either. Conservative women are the only ones that can and eventually will start to speak up, if MRA’s can get organized enough for 5 minutes to engage them. But alas, there is so much vehement hatred and disgust for ALL women, among this disparate little collective of blog commenters alone, that this will never happen. I get that. I understand it.”

Since we’re into generalizing now, am I or anyone else now allowed to generalize all white men in the alt-right as a bunch of intolerant racist assholes with NO legitimate points over the degeneracy of minorities despite how untrue that is? You being the guy characterizing everyone in the MRM as a bunch of misogynists despite how untrue that is should know VERY well where I’m coming from.

Seriously keyster, act like an adult. You detract from your viewpoints when you go throwing around straw arguments and shaming language us posters and lurkers would expect to hear from damn liberals.

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migu February 12, 2012 at 00:51

Keyster,

Rent seeking is what caused all the problems in the first place. It won’t solve them. Co-opt is the newspeak word for rent-seeking.

Try going your own way. It brought down the corrupted Roman empire. It worked in the Soviet bloc too.

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Opus February 12, 2012 at 02:52

@Joe

You are quite right in your legal analysis, but I find that in practise (and probably because of the shortage of Prison places ) that Judges go to great lengths not to imprison debtors for Contempt of Court, if they can avoid it.

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JFinn February 12, 2012 at 06:18

Conservative women think very little of men. Conservative women are women.

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Rocco February 12, 2012 at 07:28

@ Keyster

Are we being negative? We who were kicked out of our houses, had our children ripped from our arms and spat at by wives sitting on the lap of their new “husband de jour”?

I mearly suggested being indifferent and recieved all these negs, here, at a mens rights site.

Indifference to women is what you get if you remove chivalry…..it’s pretty scarry but that’s what women have demanded from us at the point of a gun after having stolen your future and making sure that your old age will have everyone see you as “creep” because your not carrying bags for some woman in public like a good slave.

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Omnipitron February 12, 2012 at 09:13

“No. Women don’t understand cause and effect very well. They will just blame men.”

Fraid not, the first part of your statement about women not understanding cause and effect is on point. However blaming men, not if their lives depend on it. The point that Snark and I are trying to make is this. If (when) the security backed by the government begins to falter, men will once more be seen as valuable. Women of course will be crying bloody murder at this new paradigm, one were they have little to no leverage over men like in time’s passed.

Women don’t listen to a word men say at the moment because by and large, women’s interests aren’t affected. If (when) the Misandry Bubble blows, that will change drastically and women will find themselves on a boat without a paddle real quick. At that point, it will be in their best interests to find out why so many men no longer wish to get married and contribute.

At that point, one word will sum it up; Feminism. Trust me, women will turn on feminists as if they where Nazi’s. The prime reason for doing so is exactly like I had stated before about not being on the losing team. At that point, blaming a man for acting in a way which doesn’t support women may receive some negative repercussions which a woman doesn’t want or perhaps can’t afford.

They will indeed blame feminism, not that some will ever blame themselves for following feminism, just the older feminists who ‘screwed up the country’ As things get more desperate in the West expect more articles from Feminist’s apologizing for their man hating ways and many more “Feminism Ruined my Life!”

Blaming men will be dangerous in a time such as that, but blaming Feminism will serve as a scapegoat so they can avoid responsibility.

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Omnipitron February 12, 2012 at 09:35

I agree with Keyster on some points. Let’s be honest here, women don’t listen to men, that much is clear. No matter how much we lay out exactly why it is that feminism will eventually hurt women, we men are either ignored or attacked for it. Someone had said it on the recent Spearhead article in regards to Girl Writes What in regards to 10 men decrying feminism and getting ignored, but one women states the exact same thing and is somewhat listened too.

That’s the point, men by and large associate and regulate younger men, the same goes for women. Feminism is largely a female construct, so no matter how much we argue as men, we are largely seen as the enemy and not worth listening too. However, any man who has been on the manosphere long enough should see a pattern in regards to how females react to other females even online.

A man is shamed into oblivion for stating the truth, but a woman may be asked “How can you as a female state that feminism isn’t fair?” or something along those lines, at least at first. Essentially, a man can easily be dismissed, but a female can be a threat to their movement and their position.

What I think Keyster is saying is that women won’t flood MRA ranks simply because it’s the right thing to do, and I believe this as well. If and when women ever join, it will be because by not joining, they increase their chances of being on ‘the losing team.’ Right and wrong doesn’t really exist in the minds of women, only winning and losing. When the stakes of losing can mean their life, you bet your boots women will jump ship.

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keyster February 12, 2012 at 11:14

“You being the guy characterizing everyone in the MRM as a bunch of misogynists despite how untrue that is should know VERY well where I’m coming from.”

Ahh yes the good ‘ol reliable “you can’t generalize”. Actually yes you can, when it’s proven a predominant portion of a given group behaves in a certian way. Not “everyone in the MRM are a bunch of misogynists”, but you’d have to agree that’s the “general” sentiment among many comments. In other words, “generalizing” about female behavior regardless of the individual woman.

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American February 12, 2012 at 11:17

Very interesting, reading @ the spearhead has raised some interesting question about socially where is America going??
One could easilly argue (just read the gender-feminist propaganda in Universities around the country) that neo American gender-feminism does not attack all males equally, they attack only the men who would date women, (Hetero-males).
Now What are the longer term consequences of making hetero-males feel unconforteable and in a hostile environment when attending American Universities? I dare say that maybe males will continue to attend these hostile universities, but fewer and fewer “hetero-males” each year will ineviteably add up to where we are now.
It will add up to the young womens question ??? “Where are all the men”, or better yet “Where are the men who date women, “Hetero males”???
It might be women who will eventually say “You can’t discriminate against men who date women”; as it will be there wallets too that will feel the costs of “hetero-male” purging from academia and higher education type jobs.
So again, Gender-feminism has a tight control over the womens vote, but they might not have it much longer.

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American February 12, 2012 at 11:24

Im starting to hear the faint rumbligs of young women attending college hoping to marry, and finding a dearth of males, and even more,
specific, a dearth of males who date women.
So folks, these hetero-sexual women will Also feel the hetero-male discrimination, it will just take 20 years to mature before they see that purging males (hetero-males) from higher education and higher paying jobs, will also affect how much bacon they bring home to the hetero-
fammily.

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Rocco February 12, 2012 at 11:48

@ Keyster

The gender seperatists were reacting to don’t share your romanitic view of the world.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/opinion/sunday/marriage-suits-educated-women.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2

Read the comments if you want to know what educated women think: Men and children are as optional as a belt and handbag….they’re all going to change the world.

But I’m not an MRA according to Keyster.

Thanks, in the foxhole please find another…..thanks mate.

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Rocco February 12, 2012 at 11:51

Oh here’s a sweet message from our little conservative lillies of the valley.

Boys should not be allowed on playgrounds because it makes them patriarchial abusers…..the corraling of young boys begins.

http://www.chicagonow.com/ignorance-is-bliss/2012/02/the-playground-as-a-venue-for-constructing-gender-roles/

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Oddsock February 12, 2012 at 12:35

Rocco

Fret ye not mate. I just gave him enough rope and sure enough he hung himself. Keyster is nothing more than a mangina pussy beggar desparate for female praise. A perfect example of a traitor, he would stab you in the back or have you jailed just to please one of his republican women. Ignore him, he has now confirmed the doubts many posters had about him in his last post, trying to shame men into returning to the status quo pre feminism while hiding behind the MRA banner.

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keyster February 12, 2012 at 13:03

“…trying to shame men into returning to the status quo pre feminism while hiding behind the MRA banner.”

So then what do you purport the status quo POST feminism to be?
Since all you can seem to muster in the form of a response is ad hominem attacks, I’ll try and answer for you:

Men as a group should avoid women altogether, because socially and legally, the deck is stacked against him. That’s gender-seperatism, that’s promoting gynonphobia, but it’s not activism. (Most strident feminists agree with you, men and women should not be together.) Again, that’s your perogative and it might even serve young men well to heed it, to the extent they might, hormones notwithstanding.

Pointing out and commenting on misandry is not activism either. It’s commenting on a blog. Nothing wrong with that, but it’s not serving to move anything forward for men. It’s perpetual affirmations for the indocrinated, feeding the echo chamber more of the same sound.

NO ONE will ever listen to men or a man about Men’s Rights. They will however listen to women or a woman. That’s the only way breaking into the mainstream will ever work. Sad but true.

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Joe February 12, 2012 at 13:05

Yep, as Oddsock says, GRP = Glass Reinforced Plastic.

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Joe February 12, 2012 at 13:17

@Avenger -

Way to kick men when they’re down. Yeah, that’s right some guy sleeping in his car, too broke to eat, cant afford a lawyer, no-one giving a fuck about him or advising him, how the fuck would he know to fill in blah-deblah form 123you’refucked ??? And if I had a tenner for everytime I’ve read some fella attest he lodged for a change to chilimony because he was jobless and broke and the Family Court judge told him “Fuck you!” and jailed him? I’d have a wedge of cash fit to choke a horse.

You’re splitting hairs. The “contempt of court” charge is a thin veil for men’s debtor’s prison.

I never said the cameras were “harmless” I said “toothless”, you need to search for Insepctor Bloggs and PC bloggs and read up on how underfunded and overstretched Brit cops are now.

Also, video evidence has been important in freeing men held on FALSE accusuations of rape/sex assualt. One incidence of which was recently, in the UK, when some drunk asshole accused some soldiers on leave of assualting her in public. The court reviewed the tapes of her hitting on the men, making a drunken ass of herself, and being rejected. Case was dismissed.

The private prison and prison guard lobby is a powerful force, that sucks up gov’t/tax monies, in the USA – it contributes strongly to the USA’s 7 times higher than other Western nations rate of locking up mostly men.

First up link from google:

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2011/06/private_prisons_lobby_for_hars.php

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Oddsock February 12, 2012 at 13:23

Keyster

The main reason I do not rip you a new one is simply because you have the same mind set ignorance and cognitive disonance of the standard feminist. Plus, it’s quite amusing watching other posters try to edumacate you. However, I am also of the firm belief that the more you read the truth the seeds will eventually take hold. You can wriggle and squirm as much as you like. It won’t stop you from being influenced. Try as much as you want.

By the way, I try not to do labels, I don’t care either way.

My MRA stuff is simply raising awareness and exposing fools such as yourself and prevent them from leading the younger guys back into the unbolted stable with nonsense about women and politics the very same thing that got us all in the shite we are in today. The very definition of insanity, doing the same thing and expecting different results.

Pffttt !

“Keyster said

NO ONE will ever listen to men or a man about Men’s Rights. They will however listen to women or a woman. That’s the only way breaking into the mainstream will ever work. Sad but true”

Only if you are stupid enough and/or a raving mangina to believe women will ever be concerend about mens rights or for that matter, even care.

Strange, everytime I post or chat with a mangina I really want to take a dump! Back later.

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Boxer February 12, 2012 at 13:27

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shiva1008 February 12, 2012 at 15:02

AVFM and The Spearhead are both concerned with the same basic issues, although they approach them in slightly different ways. Personally, I don’t care for AVFM’s tone, but I still think it is a net positive and they are getting the word out to thousands of new people.

Oddsock – come back when you have done something practical for the MRM, like Keyster. He is actually helping to get the word out there to new people by helping with the AVFM radio show. You are just a self-important blog commenter leeching off another person’s audience. And your tacky immature comments are getting old.

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American February 12, 2012 at 15:05

Keyster, to a certain degree, i agree. When feminism turned to “Gender-feminism” that specifically blames all the worlds problems on (Not on all males, but hetero-males); they might have stepped over the line.
Men are watching, and are shamed into silence; perversions in law enforcement have silenced them.
But the hetero-women that are starting to ask “Where are all the men in college”??
And out of the men that are in college, a growing number of them don’t date women. women might not be happy about this, As Universities are de-facto purging their hetero-mates.

The men may be silenced by societal and legal perversions, but the women that want a family may have the final say.

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Rmaxd February 12, 2012 at 15:19

@Keyster

Keyster has a point …

Traditionalists need to be engaged, especially traditional women

But it has to be done with the onus of no obligation to marry & no codes of moral chivalrous behaviour

The MRA’s have to realise the traditionalists will NEVER budge on moral need & social honor to marry, as well as chivalrous codes of pre-defined repressive behaviour for men, ie chivalry, disgusting women & children first

Are these compromises worth their co-operation?

I think co-operating with traditionalists as long as we disregard their retarded ideology

Its more important to expose traditionalists to real MRA’s, instead of alienating them completely

The same goes for PUA’s & the game community

Exposure is far more effective then alienation

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Joe February 12, 2012 at 17:05

On topic, this article hits so many MRM/MGTOW predictions:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9018167/Middle-class-women-the-hidden-homeless.html

“Middle-class women: the ‘hidden homeless’
Paula Daly owned her own home and business before the recession caused her to lose the lot. And she’s not alone: increasing numbers of middle-class women are finding themselves among the ranks of the ‘hidden homeless’….”

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American February 12, 2012 at 19:29

Basically the mess America is now in the middle of, can be directly linked to American law enforcement accepting Federal Pork bloating Dollars, in return for protocol perversions and semantics games that manufacture Empowerment for Gender-Raunch.

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Rocco February 12, 2012 at 23:21

I think anything said about A Voice for Men is like brothers fighting for the football…….but we are all fighting for the same goal.

(someone has to talk to da wimmenz, better them than me)

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Oddsock February 13, 2012 at 00:07

Joe

“On topic, this article hits so many MRM/MGTOW predictions:”

I recently heard the FBU the Firemens union has voted for strike action, in support of all the other public sector workers that have voted for big strike action, sometime in March. I have also noticed quite a few street campaigners in town centres trying to get the public to sign petitions etc against government cuts.

I have sympathy for the FBU they are one of the few public sector workers that deserve good salaries and pensions. We know things are getting bad when the FBU goes on strike, we will have the army having to step in to act as firemen with those ancient “Green Godesses” again.

All in all, I can see a lot more women losing their jobs.

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Boxer February 13, 2012 at 05:44

Dear Rocco:

I don’t think AVFM is just talking to women. Last time I was there, women were a majority of authors. Dr. T, “Girl Writes What” and a few different ones were featured prominently, with females making up the near majority of comments also. If they wouldn’t send their trolls (Keyster, Alek Novy) out to fuck with other sites, I wouldn’t care about them too much. It’s hardly a voice for MEN, but that’s a matter of false advertising and at this point it’s just an analogue to the good men project.

If I want to hear women’s opinions about masculinity, I can turn on CNN or MSNBC or FOX News or Jezebel or Feministing or some such other shite. I don’t need sites like GMP and AVFM to pretend to represent me. I also find it extremely bad form that they send people out to troll and flame and detract from other places where men congregate. Such a site is not a friend to men or masculinity, it is a more dangerous enemy than feminism, precisely for its subterfuge.

Now I’m done giving these pathetic dullards the attention they obviously and so desperately crave here. Ignore Keyster and his handler. They don’t say anything interesting anyway.

Regards, Boxer

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beta_plus February 13, 2012 at 05:52

@Towgunner

It is so depressing to see what has happened to the Economist in the last 5 years. It’s like watching an old friend die from cancer.

I remember when they had an article in one of the 1990s Christmas editions making fun of affirmative action by fulfilling point by point of the UN rules proving that short men were an oppressed segment of society. When they mentioned the difficulty of shorter men getting sex partners, this was my first intro to game and confirmation that my suspicions that I was not being told the truth on how to attract women.

/before people go ballistic on male height – game can overcome this. But like it or not you’re fighting a steeper uphill battle doing so.

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JFinn February 13, 2012 at 06:48

The majority of the writers for A Voice For Men are men. The vast vast vast majority of the comments are by men. A Voice For Men is an extraordinary Men’s Rights site, as is The Spearhead. Girl Writes What is an awesome revelation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA

Keyster is usually a great addition to the conversation. I’m shocked to read his comments here. If he continues to shoot the MRM in the foot he should be fucking banned.

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Rocco February 13, 2012 at 07:15

@ JFinn

I agree, A Voice for Men is a great MRM publication and the presentation is superior to any site I’ve seen.

Alot of the public and the “media majors” or feminists who didn’t want to be womens studies majors agree that they see A Voice for Men’s layout and high quality graphics as a threat because women respond to those sorts of things.

If we do win the hearts of women it will have to be because there is a cause, mens rights, that is good and real and that we feel passionately about.

Women will never listen to use if we appear to be pussy begging, mangina, kiss asses.

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Rocco February 13, 2012 at 07:36

OT

When things get this bad here guys, don’t do this, just move to a male friendly country….let the wimmenz use their ninja moves to stop the government.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/13/world/europe/greece-debt-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Rioters in Greece are starting to burn things.

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Rocco February 13, 2012 at 07:43

OT

Or not. Here is what real feminists are publishing in the main stream media.

These are the people they are flipping the bird to and saying this will never come back. Despite all the back lash, in fact this article says that all of history is a backlash against women.

Could they be any more self obssesed or self important.

But here is what they will never tolerate and the people they see as their arch nemesis:

“…and the upholders of the traditional family.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/01/gender.women?fb_action_ids=3012281180669%2C3030931743702%2C10151308276945217%2C3027574540969%2C10150566079803551&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_source=other_multiline

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Rocco February 13, 2012 at 08:23

And I think this is the best you’ll ever get from Skankus Americanus:

“I admit that I hope gay marriage will bring the end of articles like this and will instead treat women as HUMAN BEINGS just trying to make their way in life and finding love on the way. Just like everyone else.

I never thought once about my marriage prospects while going to college or working or living my life. I’m back to school now and my classes are filled with women. None of them think of it either. Women have learned that marriage doesn’t mean happiness and husbands don’t give stability. We watched our mothers stuck in domestic servitude never given the chance to make their own life. We learned that we can only depend on ourselves for financial independence. ”

from the comments of:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/opinion/sunday/marriage-suits-educated-women.html?_r=1

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JFinn February 13, 2012 at 08:50

@ Rocco “Could they be any more self obssesed or self important.”

Feminists also take credit for everything good about society today, never having learned that association does not equal causation.

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stonelifter February 13, 2012 at 09:23

keyster normally I agree with you, but from my exprince you are wrong on the “conservative” woman statement

my mother, sisters and ex wife will all tell you how “conservative” and “traditional” they are but their leftist/ feminist indoctrination comes out all the time. My guess is they believe they are “conservative” and “traditional” because they go to a very liberal modern church and oppose abortion. However they support every other feminist issue you can think of

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Seamus the Classicist February 13, 2012 at 09:54

@American,

“It might be women who will eventually say “You can’t discriminate against men who date women”; as it will be there wallets too that will feel the costs of “hetero-male” purging from academia and higher education type jobs.
So again, Gender-feminism has a tight control over the womens vote, but they might not have it much longer.”

No, woman are too inward focused to ever really look at the over arching problem. There solution is always, to move on. Move on to the guy who does have the job (hypergamy) or to the straight man who is attending college.

This is the case even if she has to share him with ten other females because women operate on a delusional basis. She will be the one to make that one guy settled down or settle for, she will be the one to beat out all the other “bitches” and so on.

All you need to do to see how it is, is look at the number of aged hags who still flaunt their shit like they are 20-somethings, and occassionally they might get some dick, but that is all the validation they will ever really need.

Never assume a woman’s mind operates on the basis of reality. She is the ultimate post-modernist, the ultimate critical-theory proponent, her mind is her only reality. This is why they suck at anything that requires hard analysis: whether it is comedy, satire, math, the hard sciences, linguistic analysis (you’ll have a lot of women who can learn language but that is no big deal everyone learns at least one language in their life,) or even seriously evaluating the choices and events that have lead them to where they are in their life.

It is a bit much to expect that when the walls of their reality come tumbling down and they don’t get exactly what they want, that it will be a moment of introspection and thinking on their part. Hell know, she will just adjust what her goals “really were.”

Never expect a woman to expound on what is true, because while you will have the occassional female scientist or mathematician, you will never have a female peripetetic philosopher (seriously name me one important female philosopher.)

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Anonymous February 13, 2012 at 10:13

my mother, sisters and ex wife will all tell you how “conservative” and “traditional” they are but their leftist/ feminist indoctrination comes out all the time. My guess is they believe they are “conservative” and “traditional” because they go to a very liberal modern church and oppose abortion. However they support every other feminist issue you can think of

They really are clones

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migu February 13, 2012 at 10:18

In about two years they are going to open their legs for any sucker who will pay their debts.

I wonder how many suckers will?

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Common Monster February 13, 2012 at 10:25

Stonelifter – I’ve got two such women in my family (no ex). They’ve ridden the wave of female empowerment with their educations and all, and are now staunch fiscal conservative Republicans, but when you raise any sort of issue such as what comes through here, they’re wimminzanchilluns first feminists to the bone. One is married w/kids, the other a lifer career gal pushing paper in HR for Uncle Sugar. All they care about vis a vis politics is lower taxes so they can keep what they got. They don’t see any larger contradictions. Romney voters fersure.

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keyster February 13, 2012 at 11:00

“Stonelifter – I’ve got two such women in my family (no ex). They’ve ridden the wave of female empowerment with their educations and all, and are now staunch fiscal conservative Republicans, but when you raise any sort of issue such as what comes through here, they’re wimminzanchilluns first feminists to the bone.”

These are typical blue pill folk you speak of.
My point was: A man or a group of men will NEVER be permitted a voice in the mainstream when it comes to criticizing feminism and/or women vis a vis its affect on men and boys. A “voice” for men will have to be a female one, because ostensibly she’d be unbiased. Doors would open up to her in the media, where they never would for a male MRA. Like it or not (I don’t like it), that’s the reality of it.

Watch the video series of Camille Paglia on “Later with Bob Costas” on YouTube. She was the proto-typical MRA defined.

MRA’s will have to put their inherent distrust, disdain and disrespect for women in their back pockets if anything is to break open on a broad basis. (Or, it can remain a small group of social commentators on a few blogs.) The group Man vs. group Woman narrative is a non-starter. Yes it worked for feminists, but women are held to a different standard. Feminists know this, and use it to keep MRA’s on the fringe.

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Oddsock February 13, 2012 at 11:24

Keyster said

“. A “voice” for men will have to be a female one, because ostensibly she’d be unbiased. Doors would open up to her in the media, where they never would for a male MRA. Like it or not (I don’t like it), that’s the reality of it.”

?

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keyster February 13, 2012 at 13:51

“?”

The media once clamoured for Camille Paglia; she was on just about every talk show (hosted by a male), and 6o Minutes in the 90′s. This is because she is a woman who openly and harshly criticized feminism. She’s also, much like Ayn Rand, an avowed male chauvanist.

No man will ever be given this opportunity. It has to be a woman.

Search her on YouTube or her Playboy interview.
http://privat.ub.uib.no/BUBSY/playboy.htm
She was talking men’s rights before there was such a term.

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Art Vandelay February 13, 2012 at 14:17

My point was: A man or a group of men will NEVER be permitted a voice in the mainstream when it comes to criticizing feminism and/or women vis a vis its affect on men and boys. A “voice” for men will have to be a female one, because ostensibly she’d be unbiased. Doors would open up to her in the media, where they never would for a male MRA.

Media has no problem with bias. They love controversy, they manufacture it where they can. You just don’t want to be on the losing side which you pretty much are if you meet your enemy on their turf and on their terms. It’s pretty hard to get any point across on mainstream media because the point isn’t information, it’s entertainment. It would just be juicier for them if it was a woman because there is an added element of controversy.

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Oddsock February 13, 2012 at 14:45

Keyster

Yes I am aware of Camille Paglia. Actually, you may have helped in my search for a long forgotten quote made by a female. I use to keep it with many other useful excerpts but much to my shame I deleted them all after one of my “spitting out my dummy sessions “. I will revisit her work. The bit I have been searching for is a woman saying feminism had set women back hundreds of years while men had moved forward.

Anyway. I can see your thought process and I can agree, to a point. IMHO I believe the main sticking point is or will be the one size fits all approach. Yes it may well have some value but that will only be for the men that want and still believe in remaining part of the system. Many don’t and simply see your attempts as trying to gain no more than slightly improved prison conditions. This is why you are and will continue to get so much flak. You are trying to, what appears to be, an attempt to coax men back into the fold, and by using a woman as our ( Mens) spokes person.

Also keep in mind that the marriage/relationship boycott despite what you may think, has been far more effective than hoping a female MRA will make any significant difference, although I do understand your methodology and agree you may well find such a woman. I just know female nature too well. The herd will only change when they feel considerable discomfort and not by strong clever words and however sincere from another (MRA) woman. Now that Keyster, along with MGTOW is reality. You believe otherwise, good luck.

Just remembered, there was a guy about 10 maybe even 15 years ago that had the same thoughts as yourself. He was adamant that the way forward was to involve women. He used the same anology and reasoning as yourself. I think the discussion started over a protest march by some guys, I think outside a court building? It was about child support. There was a couple of female protesters too. It turned out they were second wives or girlfriends of the guys protesting. Many pointed out to this dude including myself, the only reason these women were protesting was because the child support was also reducing their access to the guys money and also affecting her lifestyle. Nothing to do with MRA. Alas, nothing would sway this guy, he was determined to prove to us all that female involvement was the way forward. He left the site in a huff. Many of us simply said to him; ok fine, go ahead, go forth and gather all these females that are so willing to fight for mens rights.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 10 maybe 15 years later,,,, still waiting.

I am sure you will now attempt to tell me how and why he and we did it all wrong and you know better and NAWALT blah blah blah. Really, no point. I have heard it all before, over and over again for many years. It’s the same snake oil just a different coloured bottle.

In a nutshell. I want to stay outside the prison you want to get back in and ask for better food new bedsheets and pillows before you put the yoke back around your neck. ,,,,and you need a woman to help get this for you !

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Avenger February 13, 2012 at 14:57

Joe writes-Way to kick men when they’re down

Then do nothing you moron. I told you what to do.

Also, video evidence has been important in freeing men held on FALSE accusuations

Any technology the government has is more likely to be used against you. I could make a list of things if I wanted to waste my time here but let me just mention DNA for example.
Yes, DNA has freed a very small group of men but I would bet anything that it’s sent a lot more to prison.
How?
The average juror is a moron and DA’s know this. All the DA has to do in a rape case is introduce DNA and the morons on the jury automatically think the guy is guilty. But DNA really proves nothing about rape, just that the guy had sex with the female.
And as I said with the cameras, if some female said she was raped in an alley out of sight of the cameras but you just happened to be walking down that street on camera at about the same time then you may be a suspect and you may be questioned if they figure out who you are (face recognition). The female may even identify you as the rapist because she may have passed yu on the street and remembered your face and may even really believe you were the one especially in a dark area.

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Oddsock February 13, 2012 at 15:02

Art Vandelay

Well said.

Hopefully he will listen to you more than myself.

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keyster February 13, 2012 at 16:24

“I am sure you will now attempt to tell me how and why he and we did it all wrong and you know better and NAWALT blah blah blah.”

I’m not promoting female involvement. I’m positing that’s the way it will play out eventually, and when it does we should support it. Society is concerned with and listens to the grievances of women. When women start to collectively realize why there’s a problem, they’ll get organized and they’ll be heard. Men cannot, and never will do this. And even if they did, they won’t be given a platform.

When the Misandry Bubble bursts, it will be women popping it. Not out of sympathy for men of course, but because they’re not getting their precious “needs” met. The MRM is unfunded, unorganized and I think MRA’s have always spent too much time nitpicking at each other, to ever clearly unify as a cohesive branded social movement; not to mention the geographic disparity.

I live in a state with over 5 million people. I’m the only men’s rights person that I know of within it. Suffice to say our meetings are the sound of one hand clapping.

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Attila February 13, 2012 at 16:34

I cut cable off about two years ago, and currently don’t have a tv hooked up to anything but a dvd player. Occasionally, listen to local public radio and certainly do not patronize anything put out by Hollywitzwood. It’s another world, mentally speaking.

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Oddsock February 13, 2012 at 16:58

Keyster

Yes, I understand what you are saying and it may well be true but the elephant in the room you are missing is the position of many men and what we want.

You see, feminism is simply womans nature super sized and the unintended consequence of it all has been to expose the true face of women. This has nothing to do with misogyny etc it is simply reality. What you are suggesting will be nothing more than women trying to put the genie back in the bottle when the SHTF. So what I am saying or trying to explain to you is simply this. Many men no longer care what women do or do not do. Ok, if you and Paul think its what you want and it will make a difference fine, go for it. Personally I think its akin to trying to bail out the Titanic with a tea cup. This is also why I do not believe the message you are giving out over at AVfM is helpful. Yes it is reaching more men and through a different medium but what is it achieving? You are pulling one way, myself and others in the opposite direction. You want to fix the system I don’t. My view is that the old must die off before anything new can start and the way things are going globally, I doubt female MRAs and feminsism are going to be that much of a priority.

As I said, good luck but please do not think for one minute you are going to change the views of so many that have decided to GTOW and keep in mind politics is especially a major turn off for men at that juncture.

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GS Jockey February 14, 2012 at 14:27

@ Oddsock:
“Keyster–Yes, I understand what you are saying and it may well be true but the elephant in the room you are missing is the position of many men and what we want.”

Ok, perhaps against my better judgment about getting in the middle of this, I’ll offer a couple comments.
1. The mudslinging shitstorm that usually exists between Oddsock/Boxer/Keyster is not useful. (Readers who have been here more than a couple months know what I am talking about.) You guys need to understand that it is possible for reasonable men to disagree, and it’s also possible that a discussion doesn’t have to degenerate to personal attacks. Give it a try. That said, it’s refreshing to see the conversation is relatively civil for the moment.
2. For myself, I see the points of both Oddsock and Keyster. While not presuming to speak for either gentleman, I think Oddsock holds the majority opinion; an opinion of men who are fooking sick and tired of women and their behavior and have had enough and want nothing more to do with ‘em. Ok, I got it. However, I see Keyster’s arguments as reasonable and realistic for the long term. I guess what I mean is that the solution advocated by Oddsock et al (“GTOW”) is, while necessary, nevertheless more of a short-term fix. Any long term solution–a solution that carries with it a fundamental change to our society that would rescue us from going the way of the Romans–is going to have to eventually include dialogue with women. How could it not? No doubt, the MGTOW movement will have to be widespread to really get people’s attention….but if our society is to ever improve and move forward, eventually women will have to enter the conversation again and HONESTLY and SINCERELY advocate to their sisters on men’s behalf. Now, if this doesn’t happen, if women never abandon their chronic self-interest and blind cheering for Team Woman, then our society is well and truly fooked anyway and we men might as well stay by ourselves.

My bottom line is that both arguments can coexist. I fully endorse MGTOW–after my second divorce I practiced it myself. MGTOW provides the “Stick” that society needs right upside the head. But I think the quiet undertone in the background, manifested by the points brought up by Keyster, is the “Carrot” that leads to fundamental healing someday. I will say that I personally doubt our society will ever correct itself, and this is unfortunate. But I guess I can always hope that my son might someday see the day come when Feminism is dead and Families are alive and strong again.

GS Jockey

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hhb3 February 14, 2012 at 17:38

When the parasite (women) kills the host (men) they will destroy themselves.

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Oddsock February 15, 2012 at 03:59

Another awakened American that I like.

How to get fired from Fox business news in 5 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaCemmsnNk&feature=player_embedded#!

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Kris W February 20, 2012 at 03:12

@Keyster

Just because two factions share a common enemy doesn’t make them allies.

In the final analysis there is little difference between Feminism and Social Conservatism from a male centric perspective. Sure they may stand for different things, but how they treat men, their expectations of men and their hatred of men are nearly identical.

You may still not understand, so let me simplfy it.

Extreme Hot and Extreme Cold, one would argue they are different.
But how would a man who was blasted by either of them respond? That they are the same.

Because the cold, if cold enough, can feel just like a burn from the fire.

People really need to look up “Mothers of the Republic”.

IT WAS CONSERVATIVE WOMEN WHO STARTED THE “WOMEN=GOOD AND MEN = BAD” bs.

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